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Speaker 1: This is the Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous podcast

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Speaker 1: with iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: This is part two the Almost Famous podcast. We are

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Speaker 2: breaking down the finale and everything about the finale. If

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Speaker 2: you haven't listened to part one, you should. I talked

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Speaker 2: about the love story, the exits, the proposals, it's really beautiful.

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Speaker 2: But now we're going to talk about the live segment

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Speaker 2: of the show along with the bachelorette announcement. Ashley, let's

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Speaker 2: start with the live show kind of the in person

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Speaker 2: meetings for the first time since.

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Speaker 3: They went as well as you can.

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Speaker 4: As we were talking about in the last episode, it's

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Speaker 4: kind of nice that.

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Speaker 3: It ended the way.

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Speaker 4: It did between Daisy and Joey because like there's just

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Speaker 4: such a nice, polite hearted rapport between them, because it

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Speaker 4: was like a lot of acceptance when Daisy came out.

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Speaker 4: It wasn't going to be like the what happened, like

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Speaker 4: is what was I missing?

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Speaker 3: La La La?

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Speaker 4: Because she is the one who was like, I know

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Speaker 4: that this isn't right, and then he was like, yeah,

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Speaker 4: you're right, this isn't right. So that they just got

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Speaker 4: to rejoin each other, and they really do seem to

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Speaker 4: want the best for each other.

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Speaker 2: So here's gonna be my take that I don't even

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Speaker 2: know if I agree with. But I want to Justin

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Speaker 2: and Rachel to comment on this and to probably tell

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Speaker 2: me I'm crazy, Okay, but it's something I did think about.

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Speaker 2: It came through my head this whole season. We have

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Speaker 2: been made to believe and also witnessed some really great

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Speaker 2: people come through this show and leave this show. But

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Speaker 2: we've always had a connections on this show that felt

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Speaker 2: like they far outweighed everybody else, Daisy and Kelsey and

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Speaker 2: joe Like, you know what, I think we would be

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Speaker 2: mistaken if not every viewer said it has to be

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Speaker 2: those two at the end. If not, that's going to

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Speaker 2: be a shot. So we always had this feeling that

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Speaker 2: Daisy and Joey had this really deep seated connection, that

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Speaker 2: there's love there, that there was like a lot of

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Speaker 2: heartfelt feelings there, and then they say goodbye to each other.

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Speaker 2: I'm wondering if like it was really that real, it

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Speaker 2: was really that heavy, How was it so easy then

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Speaker 2: to move on? So my take is, yes, it's really

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Speaker 2: great that they all together. I'm so happy they're happy

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Speaker 2: for each other. I don't think I don't think that

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Speaker 2: seem hard for those two to be in the same room.

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Speaker 2: And I know for me in my experience, I it

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Speaker 2: I did not enjoy that moment. I it was really

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Speaker 2: her and it had like ill will towards It was

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Speaker 2: just like this is this is really heavy, and like

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Speaker 2: there's a lot of emotion here and a lot of

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Speaker 2: was the connection Maybe not as much as we were

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Speaker 2: made to believe. Are they just different types of people

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Speaker 2: than I am, and a lot nicer and easier to

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Speaker 5: I think Daisy just had the closure she needed.

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Speaker 6: And I think a lot of the times, like after

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Speaker 6: though in our mind we might think there's closure, like

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Speaker 6: so sometimes I think that's why I get super tense.

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Speaker 6: But I think she had months just going through being

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Speaker 6: So maybe that's why it seemed lighter.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it seemed like it was like it was almost mutual,

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Speaker 4: which I mean it wasn't, but it was.

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Speaker 7: Yeah. I hate to be the naysayer here, but I'm

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Speaker 7: because even going from not only my experience, but like

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Speaker 7: it's like, no, you're not. Like if you're actually interested

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Speaker 7: this person. It's like bitter or whatever. But it's like

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Speaker 7: I want to be with him, but if it's not him,

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Speaker 7: knew that it wasn't her, I don't think that she

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Speaker 2: I don't know.

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Speaker 7: I'm kind of I was thinking the same thing. Honestly.

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Speaker 7: It's like it would be hard for if ready to

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Speaker 4: You know, both girls were actually really supportive of like

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Speaker 4: I will say that was coming mostly from Daisy.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, yeah, I think And are you asking in the

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Speaker 2: That I think where we're going is like maybe just

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Speaker 2: nothing wrong with that. Maybe she had time to have closure,

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Speaker 2: be harder, not because the two them they don't like

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Speaker 8: I think also, your like past dating experiences shape not

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Speaker 8: Because the fact that Jesse asked her at the end,

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Speaker 8: if there were conversations about Bachelorette or not, but like

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Speaker 8: and that's what's most important. Like I have so much

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Speaker 8: like coming off the show, like people mourn the relationships

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Speaker 8: easy as like, Okay, we're good, Like, you know, Daisy's

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Speaker 8: Joey was probably just you know.

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Speaker 9: One hundred percent.

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Speaker 8: And on Kelsey, it's like he went from having two

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Speaker 9: Like I don't know.

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Speaker 8: If that was your experience when you were the Bachelor,

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Speaker 8: so there's like sadness in it too. But it has

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Speaker 9: Lot of things, but mostly with Daisy and Joey.

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Speaker 8: I think everyone can admit they're like very mature, well

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Speaker 9: That's what it seems like.

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Speaker 8: So I feel like they probably both like rationally thought

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Speaker 8: Like That's how I imagine they went into It wasn't

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Speaker 8: and it's like so unfortunate. But so many people are like,

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Speaker 8: Daisy's not ready to date yet, but she's like focused

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Speaker 4: It could also be a perspective thing, well I do, I.

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Speaker 2: Think I think you can make a great point, jusee.

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Speaker 2: It's like your past relationships also kind of, you know,

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Speaker 2: determine how you're going to date in the future. And

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Speaker 2: then they both probably were like, hey, I still like you,

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Speaker 2: like you're still a good human. I mean, Rachel, obviously

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Speaker 2: you sat in the seat as a bachelor, Like how

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Speaker 2: maybe it did happen, I don't remember, but like you

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Speaker 2: are sad, you are confused. There really is no closure

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Speaker 2: I will always care about you. You're going to always

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Speaker 2: be a part of my life and my story, and

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Speaker 2: you know it just wasn't right between us, and you

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Speaker 2: get to kind of go back and forth for a

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Speaker 2: this on the show typically, but it would have been

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Speaker 2: the best thing in your life or in the for

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Speaker 2: treated you the a Daisy treated to Joey and just

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Speaker 2: give you that like, hey, I know you're like I

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Speaker 2: believe in you still, like I still think you're great.

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Speaker 2: Like this just didn't work out with us. It would

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Speaker 2: have felt so good. And I did get that a

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Speaker 2: lot with Jojo. She was terrific to me. But I

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Speaker 2: just think it Susie's right, Like it was a mature

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Speaker 4: I think that, like just Daisy has a very special

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Speaker 2: She should she's she's a catch. I don't think days

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Speaker 5: I think they're gonna make it.

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Speaker 8: I think time will tell, but I think that they are.

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Speaker 2: I'm with Susie. I think I have just like in

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Speaker 4: Yeah, Susie, when did you feel with Clayton that like,

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Speaker 8: Like I feel like it was even more so we were like,

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Speaker 7: That's how it felt for me.

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Speaker 5: I don't know, Like for me, like I felt it.

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Speaker 8: But I did always think like, okay, we haven't had

438
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Speaker 8: a fight, like we like you learned so much about

439
00:20:29,880 --> 00:20:31,760
Speaker 8: somebody when you fight with them, and like how they

440
00:20:31,840 --> 00:20:36,720
Speaker 8: treat you when you fight and how you like communicate

441
00:20:36,920 --> 00:20:40,840
Speaker 8: during arguments, like that says so much about somebody's character.

442
00:20:41,320 --> 00:20:43,080
Speaker 8: And I was I remember thinking on the show is

443
00:20:43,119 --> 00:20:46,080
Speaker 8: like not that I wanted to fight, but that was like,

444
00:20:46,640 --> 00:20:48,919
Speaker 8: what is conflict going to look like? Because everything is

445
00:20:48,920 --> 00:20:52,640
Speaker 8: happy and positive and so I don't know. I don't

446
00:20:52,640 --> 00:20:54,640
Speaker 8: think I said I love you when I was still

447
00:20:54,720 --> 00:20:57,240
Speaker 8: on the show, I just was like falling in love.

448
00:20:57,640 --> 00:20:59,080
Speaker 9: And then by the end I was like, oh, I.

449
00:20:59,080 --> 00:21:00,560
Speaker 8: Think I need to take a step back, and like

450
00:21:00,880 --> 00:21:03,359
Speaker 8: reassess does justin fight.

451
00:21:05,520 --> 00:21:09,720
Speaker 9: He's sassy.

452
00:21:10,160 --> 00:21:10,359
Speaker 6: You know.

453
00:21:10,440 --> 00:21:13,760
Speaker 7: The thing is, yeah, yeah.

454
00:21:15,440 --> 00:21:18,440
Speaker 4: Did you guys fight as friends before you got together?

455
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Speaker 8: Actually, he said to me, this was so funny. He

456
00:21:22,840 --> 00:21:24,760
Speaker 8: said to me, I can't imagine what we would fight about.

457
00:21:24,800 --> 00:21:29,360
Speaker 8: I was like, oh, let me tell you, like, oh,

458
00:21:29,359 --> 00:21:30,520
Speaker 8: we're going to fight.

459
00:21:32,480 --> 00:21:39,760
Speaker 7: Something, you know. I think going through the show, I

460
00:21:39,880 --> 00:21:43,440
Speaker 7: was like such a realist, maybe to a full I

461
00:21:43,480 --> 00:21:45,600
Speaker 7: don't know, maybe to a detriment, I don't know, but

462
00:21:45,680 --> 00:21:47,080
Speaker 7: I feel like a lot of times, even when it

463
00:21:47,200 --> 00:21:49,320
Speaker 7: got down to the wire and they I'd be in

464
00:21:49,400 --> 00:21:51,280
Speaker 7: items and they're like asking, you know, they want you

465
00:21:51,320 --> 00:21:53,159
Speaker 7: to be in this like la la, like I'm so

466
00:21:53,320 --> 00:21:56,120
Speaker 7: I love And I remember saying like, we haven't faced

467
00:21:56,160 --> 00:21:58,640
Speaker 7: any adversity. And that's a huge thing to me because

468
00:21:59,160 --> 00:22:02,320
Speaker 7: in past relations, as Susie mentioned, that has been a

469
00:22:02,400 --> 00:22:06,040
Speaker 7: huge like turning point of like, Okay, we do not

470
00:22:06,040 --> 00:22:09,399
Speaker 7: communicate well when things aren't great. And so going into

471
00:22:09,520 --> 00:22:11,199
Speaker 7: my expansion of the show, that's something that I looked for.

472
00:22:11,240 --> 00:22:12,639
Speaker 7: Not that I wanted to fight with Katie, but I

473
00:22:12,680 --> 00:22:15,480
Speaker 7: was like, this is a real life, right, Like this

474
00:22:15,560 --> 00:22:18,080
Speaker 7: is not a microcosm of what life is going to be.

475
00:22:19,960 --> 00:22:21,639
Speaker 7: But yeah, that's that's what I was gonna say. But

476
00:22:21,760 --> 00:22:24,000
Speaker 7: I think we communicate really well. And I am sassy.

477
00:22:24,440 --> 00:22:27,639
Speaker 8: He is sassy, but he's actually he like also is

478
00:22:27,720 --> 00:22:30,160
Speaker 8: very good with his words, and you can communicate very well,

479
00:22:30,160 --> 00:22:31,040
Speaker 8: which is super important.

480
00:22:31,760 --> 00:22:33,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, you want to find healing. I think he can

481
00:22:33,880 --> 00:22:35,840
Speaker 2: be sassy, like you got to get your words out there,

482
00:22:35,840 --> 00:22:37,440
Speaker 2: but you don't want it to like hurt the other person.

483
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Speaker 7: And I think I think you know, with every in

484
00:22:40,520 --> 00:22:45,040
Speaker 7: any relationship, I think when because not a relationship is

485
00:22:45,040 --> 00:22:46,640
Speaker 7: going to be perfect, Like you're going to argue, You're

486
00:22:46,640 --> 00:22:49,240
Speaker 7: gonna have disagreements, right, But I think as long as

487
00:22:49,280 --> 00:22:52,600
Speaker 7: you're going into those conversations or disagreements with the goal

488
00:22:53,320 --> 00:22:56,160
Speaker 7: to seek resolution and not to just like hurt each

489
00:22:56,200 --> 00:22:59,280
Speaker 7: other or like get the last word or win, that's

490
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Speaker 7: what prepare relationships. Because if you can, if you can

491
00:23:01,720 --> 00:23:04,240
Speaker 7: disagree but then come to a resolution and find ways

492
00:23:04,240 --> 00:23:06,639
Speaker 7: to get better for your partner moving forward, I think

493
00:23:06,680 --> 00:23:09,000
Speaker 7: that's what it's all about. So I don't know where

494
00:23:09,080 --> 00:23:11,000
Speaker 7: Kelsey and Joe we're at. I'm sure they've you know,

495
00:23:11,080 --> 00:23:15,560
Speaker 7: their disagreements have probably been based heavily on the premise

496
00:23:15,560 --> 00:23:17,400
Speaker 7: of the show and what they've seen this thus far,

497
00:23:17,560 --> 00:23:19,280
Speaker 7: But like you said, been like now the real work

498
00:23:19,440 --> 00:23:22,080
Speaker 7: starts where everyone's rooting for them, right, and they're gonna

499
00:23:22,119 --> 00:23:24,439
Speaker 7: have these cool experiences, but they're also finally get to

500
00:23:24,440 --> 00:23:28,040
Speaker 7: experience real life together in the public and doing them right.

501
00:23:28,080 --> 00:23:30,159
Speaker 7: And so I hope and I feel like they're both

502
00:23:30,280 --> 00:23:35,080
Speaker 7: very mature, level headed people, So yeah, interested to see,

503
00:23:35,200 --> 00:23:37,480
Speaker 7: you know, how they work through things. But I think,

504
00:23:37,600 --> 00:23:38,640
Speaker 7: you know, we're all rooting for them.

505
00:23:38,680 --> 00:23:42,360
Speaker 2: So how about the wild moment where you wake up

506
00:23:42,400 --> 00:23:45,240
Speaker 2: the next day and you're like, Hey, what's your birthday?

507
00:23:45,240 --> 00:23:47,119
Speaker 2: What's your middle name? And can I get your phone number?

508
00:23:48,840 --> 00:23:52,920
Speaker 7: So true again, being a real and maybe this wasn't

509
00:23:53,000 --> 00:23:58,480
Speaker 7: like maybe I didn't have a realistic expectation of the show,

510
00:23:58,640 --> 00:24:02,040
Speaker 7: but I remember being I remember being on my hometown,

511
00:24:02,080 --> 00:24:03,959
Speaker 7: which was in New Mexico because it was still COVID

512
00:24:04,040 --> 00:24:06,679
Speaker 7: so it wasn't really a hometown. But we were on

513
00:24:06,720 --> 00:24:09,439
Speaker 7: this horse drawn carriage and I remember Katie and I

514
00:24:09,480 --> 00:24:12,200
Speaker 7: were talking about something and she was like, what stay

515
00:24:12,240 --> 00:24:16,120
Speaker 7: are you from again? And I was like, I'm such

516
00:24:16,119 --> 00:24:18,399
Speaker 7: a detail oriented person that does things like that.

517
00:24:18,800 --> 00:24:21,520
Speaker 4: I'm like, yeah, I understand that.

518
00:24:21,600 --> 00:24:23,159
Speaker 7: He was like, it's a m state, right, I was

519
00:24:23,200 --> 00:24:25,280
Speaker 7: like Maryland. He was like, oh, I don't know if

520
00:24:25,320 --> 00:24:26,600
Speaker 7: it was like Maine or Massachusetts.

521
00:24:26,600 --> 00:24:28,760
Speaker 2: I was like, yeah, maybe we aren't where were we?

522
00:24:29,080 --> 00:24:29,320
Speaker 6: I know.

523
00:24:29,400 --> 00:24:32,760
Speaker 7: I'm like but it's like, I mean, I know you

524
00:24:32,880 --> 00:24:35,720
Speaker 7: had a lot of people to but I'm like, little

525
00:24:35,760 --> 00:24:36,680
Speaker 7: things like that matter to me.

526
00:24:36,760 --> 00:24:40,760
Speaker 4: So I'm like, yeah, Okay, Rachel, you were in the

527
00:24:40,800 --> 00:24:44,080
Speaker 4: audience last night, tell us what happens during commercial break?

528
00:24:44,160 --> 00:24:47,560
Speaker 4: There was so much Bachelor alum There so many Bachelor

529
00:24:47,640 --> 00:24:50,800
Speaker 4: Alumni alum. I don't know when you say the difference.

530
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Speaker 6: I mean like, was there any drama or like, what

531
00:24:55,160 --> 00:24:55,560
Speaker 6: do you mean?

532
00:24:55,840 --> 00:25:01,240
Speaker 4: Well, I don't know, yeah, like drama, I don't know.

533
00:25:01,440 --> 00:25:04,320
Speaker 2: I first, how about you run through all the alumni

534
00:25:04,359 --> 00:25:08,240
Speaker 2: that you remember being there and then all the kind

535
00:25:08,240 --> 00:25:09,800
Speaker 2: of any dynamics that stood out?

536
00:25:11,680 --> 00:25:14,119
Speaker 6: Okay, so they had It was me and Gabby, and

537
00:25:14,160 --> 00:25:18,160
Speaker 6: then we were next to Gary Teresa, and then behind

538
00:25:18,240 --> 00:25:22,000
Speaker 6: us it was a lot of women from Joey's season,

539
00:25:22,000 --> 00:25:24,280
Speaker 6: which I was really surprised. I didn't know if they

540
00:25:24,280 --> 00:25:28,480
Speaker 6: normally bring back so many women, especially Rachel being there.

541
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Speaker 5: I remember being like really shocked.

542
00:25:30,080 --> 00:25:31,680
Speaker 6: I'm like, either is she going to get a hot

543
00:25:31,720 --> 00:25:33,840
Speaker 6: seat or I wouldn't really want to be there in

544
00:25:33,840 --> 00:25:42,439
Speaker 6: that situation. But Rachel was there. I think Leah, Lexie.

545
00:25:41,119 --> 00:25:46,040
Speaker 4: Maybe Lauren, and then Oh and Autumn Maria and Maria.

546
00:25:46,280 --> 00:25:49,639
Speaker 6: Yeah, and Maria was behind me, and then there was

547
00:25:49,680 --> 00:25:53,359
Speaker 6: like a couple guys from Charity season. There was Sean,

548
00:25:54,119 --> 00:25:59,359
Speaker 6: John b Tanner, Oh and John Henry, they.

549
00:25:59,200 --> 00:26:01,920
Speaker 4: Were all there. I felt like the kind of random.

550
00:26:02,119 --> 00:26:07,280
Speaker 6: Yeah, it was definitely an interesting choice of alumni in

551
00:26:07,320 --> 00:26:07,960
Speaker 6: the audience.

552
00:26:08,800 --> 00:26:11,840
Speaker 4: And then with Golden Bachelor, we saw of course Kathy

553
00:26:12,040 --> 00:26:12,680
Speaker 4: and Susan.

554
00:26:13,600 --> 00:26:16,200
Speaker 2: They are just they must have like an expense card

555
00:26:16,280 --> 00:26:18,080
Speaker 2: right now for the show. They're everywhere.

556
00:26:18,320 --> 00:26:20,920
Speaker 3: They have the podcasts, they have the Warner podcast.

557
00:26:21,600 --> 00:26:22,439
Speaker 5: They're the best.

558
00:26:22,960 --> 00:26:25,080
Speaker 2: They are awesome, but they are everywhere. I think how

559
00:26:25,160 --> 00:26:28,720
Speaker 2: they've been every event to the last year is impressive

560
00:26:29,440 --> 00:26:29,879
Speaker 2: and exact.

561
00:26:30,640 --> 00:26:33,359
Speaker 6: They're carrying this franchise on their back, and they're the

562
00:26:33,359 --> 00:26:35,080
Speaker 6: busts that they come up and they try to take

563
00:26:35,080 --> 00:26:38,120
Speaker 6: a selfie with every single person, and I love it,

564
00:26:38,240 --> 00:26:39,359
Speaker 6: like they're.

565
00:26:39,000 --> 00:26:43,240
Speaker 2: Just the bust they are. They are hilarious. Okay, I

566
00:26:43,240 --> 00:26:46,000
Speaker 2: guess maybe have more direct question based on asking this question,

567
00:26:46,040 --> 00:26:48,959
Speaker 2: but when they announced the next Bachelorette, did you get us?

568
00:26:49,040 --> 00:26:51,880
Speaker 2: Did you look back at Maria and did she seem disappointed?

569
00:26:53,000 --> 00:26:56,639
Speaker 6: So I cheated and I asked Charity, and Charity told

570
00:26:56,680 --> 00:27:00,240
Speaker 6: me so. I already kind of knew that it was happening,

571
00:27:00,400 --> 00:27:03,880
Speaker 6: but I did find it interesting that Jen wasn't even

572
00:27:04,000 --> 00:27:08,440
Speaker 6: in the audience like they had Rachel and Maria and Daisy.

573
00:27:08,920 --> 00:27:12,159
Speaker 4: Did that tip you off that it wasn't them before

574
00:27:12,160 --> 00:27:12,959
Speaker 4: you talk to Charity?

575
00:27:13,480 --> 00:27:17,919
Speaker 6: No, because I feel like for a lot of the

576
00:27:18,200 --> 00:27:22,000
Speaker 6: other maybe I'm wrong because I know me and Gabby

577
00:27:22,040 --> 00:27:25,440
Speaker 6: were in the audience. But okay, yeah, I was trying

578
00:27:25,440 --> 00:27:27,880
Speaker 6: to think back. I thought it was weird that.

579
00:27:27,880 --> 00:27:29,160
Speaker 5: She wasn't in the audience.

580
00:27:29,440 --> 00:27:32,000
Speaker 7: Rachel, when you were you did you know ahead of

581
00:27:32,000 --> 00:27:34,280
Speaker 7: time when you were in the audience, you had no clue?

582
00:27:34,840 --> 00:27:37,480
Speaker 3: No, you didn't know you were the bachelorette.

583
00:27:37,600 --> 00:27:39,680
Speaker 5: No, I did it, I swear to God. And I thought.

584
00:27:39,840 --> 00:27:42,120
Speaker 6: I kept asking them because I was like, if you

585
00:27:42,200 --> 00:27:44,399
Speaker 6: bring me out there and you put me next to

586
00:27:44,440 --> 00:27:46,920
Speaker 6: Gabby and you call Gabby up there, like I will

587
00:27:46,960 --> 00:27:48,960
Speaker 6: be so angry, So just like tell me not even

588
00:27:49,000 --> 00:27:51,000
Speaker 6: that I'm ingry, it's Gabby, but like that's you're doing

589
00:27:51,040 --> 00:27:53,679
Speaker 6: it to embarrass me. So I remember we both went

590
00:27:53,720 --> 00:27:55,760
Speaker 6: out there, and then I started thinking maybe it was

591
00:27:55,800 --> 00:27:58,200
Speaker 6: like a Michelle and Katie situation.

592
00:27:58,640 --> 00:28:00,399
Speaker 5: But yeah, No, they didn't tell us all.

593
00:28:00,760 --> 00:28:02,360
Speaker 6: And I remember asking because I was like, I need

594
00:28:02,400 --> 00:28:04,320
Speaker 6: to quit my job, Like they didn't tell me anything.

595
00:28:04,320 --> 00:28:06,280
Speaker 5: I had to do that all after Yeah.

596
00:28:06,080 --> 00:28:08,880
Speaker 7: Because we were like we were wondering because Jesse kept

597
00:28:08,920 --> 00:28:12,000
Speaker 7: on being like, could it be this lady?

598
00:28:12,080 --> 00:28:12,199
Speaker 6: Right?

599
00:28:12,240 --> 00:28:13,840
Speaker 7: And I'm like, that's gonna be crazy if they bring

600
00:28:13,920 --> 00:28:14,640
Speaker 7: Daisy up and then.

601
00:28:14,560 --> 00:28:16,800
Speaker 4: It's like, you know, but that's what they did. But

602
00:28:16,840 --> 00:28:20,600
Speaker 4: they basically did that. That was so crazy because he

603
00:28:20,760 --> 00:28:24,280
Speaker 4: was like, where you have to announce the next bachelorette, Daisy,

604
00:28:24,359 --> 00:28:27,920
Speaker 4: come to the stage dot dot dot and explain why.

605
00:28:27,880 --> 00:28:31,280
Speaker 3: You're not going to be the bachelorette. That was why

606
00:28:31,400 --> 00:28:31,920
Speaker 3: you old.

607
00:28:33,840 --> 00:28:33,959
Speaker 7: No.

608
00:28:34,040 --> 00:28:38,360
Speaker 4: But it wasn't brutal because it's very well, I'm sorry, guys,

609
00:28:38,400 --> 00:28:40,920
Speaker 4: I got some inside scoop on this situation, so I'm

610
00:28:40,920 --> 00:28:44,800
Speaker 4: gonna have to reveal it. I have known from multiple

611
00:28:44,880 --> 00:28:49,040
Speaker 4: sources over the past couple of i'll say a week

612
00:28:49,760 --> 00:28:52,400
Speaker 4: that it wasn't going to be Daisy. Daisy did not

613
00:28:52,800 --> 00:28:55,640
Speaker 4: want it. That's why they had her come up and

614
00:28:55,720 --> 00:28:59,960
Speaker 4: explain she did not want it. They had really try

615
00:29:00,360 --> 00:29:02,440
Speaker 4: to get her on board, and she was just like,

616
00:29:02,520 --> 00:29:04,240
Speaker 4: it is not my personality. I do not want to

617
00:29:04,240 --> 00:29:06,880
Speaker 4: deal with this. I cannot dumb people. I don't want

618
00:29:06,920 --> 00:29:10,520
Speaker 4: to be I cannot have this on my conscience, Like

619
00:29:10,560 --> 00:29:12,520
Speaker 4: this is just not made. This's not a role made

620
00:29:12,600 --> 00:29:15,600
Speaker 4: for me, and I think that she kind of I mean,

621
00:29:15,680 --> 00:29:17,840
Speaker 4: she said that it was because she wasn't ready to date.

622
00:29:18,160 --> 00:29:21,800
Speaker 4: But I promise you guys, they they wanted to have

623
00:29:21,840 --> 00:29:23,040
Speaker 4: her in that role and she.

624
00:29:23,000 --> 00:29:25,200
Speaker 7: Did not want it. Did Maria deny it too?

625
00:29:26,520 --> 00:29:30,440
Speaker 4: So my sources about Maria A fewer sources about Maria.

626
00:29:31,520 --> 00:29:34,400
Speaker 4: I'll say what I I'll say things if they get I.

627
00:29:36,160 --> 00:29:36,600
Speaker 6: Have heard.

628
00:29:38,000 --> 00:29:43,280
Speaker 4: I know I have heard that they were concerned that

629
00:29:43,320 --> 00:29:49,280
Speaker 4: Maria would be too much of a handful production wise. Okay, now,

630
00:29:49,560 --> 00:29:53,520
Speaker 4: if that is the case, I still think they messed

631
00:29:53,600 --> 00:30:00,480
Speaker 4: up royalty royally. I think that no matter how difficult

632
00:30:00,520 --> 00:30:03,160
Speaker 4: she was going to be to produce, to control, whatever

633
00:30:03,200 --> 00:30:07,120
Speaker 4: you want to call it, that was going to be

634
00:30:07,320 --> 00:30:10,840
Speaker 4: your million dollar ticket, your billion dollar ticket. That was

635
00:30:10,880 --> 00:30:13,600
Speaker 4: going to keep the franchise on this high that we have.

636
00:30:14,200 --> 00:30:17,600
Speaker 4: Everybody wanted it to be Maria. When I was at

637
00:30:17,600 --> 00:30:21,120
Speaker 4: Audrey's yesterday, so at our coffee shop, we had a

638
00:30:21,120 --> 00:30:23,280
Speaker 4: big watch party. There was like over one hundred people

639
00:30:23,320 --> 00:30:25,560
Speaker 4: there and at the beginning of the night, I said,

640
00:30:25,600 --> 00:30:27,560
Speaker 4: who do you want to be the bachelorette? And I

641
00:30:27,600 --> 00:30:31,720
Speaker 4: heard there was it was just a booming sound of Maria.

642
00:30:33,720 --> 00:30:35,280
Speaker 4: Well at that point, they didn't know who was going

643
00:30:35,280 --> 00:30:38,360
Speaker 4: to be the runner up. So that's why in second

644
00:30:38,360 --> 00:30:42,320
Speaker 4: place wasn't like an option as bachelorette in the audience,

645
00:30:42,320 --> 00:30:47,920
Speaker 4: But everybody said Maria. And then I heard from Jared

646
00:30:47,960 --> 00:30:49,720
Speaker 4: that later in the night when they announced that it

647
00:30:49,760 --> 00:30:52,880
Speaker 4: was Jen, everybody was like, whoa.

648
00:30:53,160 --> 00:30:58,520
Speaker 2: No matter what Jen was like plus fifteen thousand in Vegas,

649
00:30:58,720 --> 00:31:01,040
Speaker 2: the Bachelorette like at a nowhere.

650
00:31:00,680 --> 00:31:04,160
Speaker 3: Like if you and I said, remember when she got eliminated.

651
00:31:03,720 --> 00:31:06,240
Speaker 4: We're like, if she got eliminated a little bit further

652
00:31:06,320 --> 00:31:11,000
Speaker 4: down the road and and Maria and Daisy and Kelsey

653
00:31:11,000 --> 00:31:14,600
Speaker 4: weren't part of this cast, Rachel then then yeah, Rachel,

654
00:31:15,280 --> 00:31:17,000
Speaker 4: then yeah she'd have a shot.

655
00:31:17,040 --> 00:31:18,320
Speaker 3: But she has no shot.

656
00:31:18,680 --> 00:31:21,080
Speaker 2: I mean Rachel was like, Okay, if it's not Daisy,

657
00:31:21,080 --> 00:31:22,560
Speaker 2: if it's not Maria, then in my mind it's like

658
00:31:22,560 --> 00:31:25,800
Speaker 2: it's Rachel. And if it's not Rachel, then they're pulling

659
00:31:25,880 --> 00:31:30,240
Speaker 2: out like tons of stops. Not because there's anything wrong

660
00:31:30,280 --> 00:31:32,360
Speaker 2: with Jim, Like there is nothing I'm going to see

661
00:31:32,440 --> 00:31:35,320
Speaker 2: him be like terrible choice, bad choice whatever. I thought

662
00:31:35,320 --> 00:31:37,400
Speaker 2: she was hilarious. I thought we didn't shoot enough of her.

663
00:31:37,440 --> 00:31:40,760
Speaker 2: I said that, but we don't like, there is there

664
00:31:40,880 --> 00:31:45,680
Speaker 2: we don't know her like and traditionally, you know the

665
00:31:46,280 --> 00:31:49,120
Speaker 2: familiarity from the audience to the contestants based on their

666
00:31:49,120 --> 00:31:52,240
Speaker 2: social media phone. It's a great, you know, way to

667
00:31:52,320 --> 00:31:55,200
Speaker 2: quantify how much people know the contestants.

668
00:31:55,760 --> 00:31:58,120
Speaker 3: Jin wasn't even at least feel like they know them.

669
00:31:58,200 --> 00:32:01,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, not because she's she's not a good choice, not

670
00:32:01,240 --> 00:32:03,640
Speaker 2: because she's not going to be entertaining or whatever. We

671
00:32:03,840 --> 00:32:07,720
Speaker 2: just don't know her now, guys. I will make a

672
00:32:07,720 --> 00:32:11,840
Speaker 2: comparison here, and it's somewhat accurate. I look this up.

673
00:32:12,960 --> 00:32:16,200
Speaker 2: It's somewhat accurate, but will be shocked. I think at

674
00:32:17,760 --> 00:32:20,680
Speaker 2: maybe going back to that time, you know whose only

675
00:32:20,720 --> 00:32:22,520
Speaker 2: other announcement kind of feels similar to this.

676
00:32:23,520 --> 00:32:24,440
Speaker 4: Here's a Hannah Brown.

677
00:32:24,640 --> 00:32:28,760
Speaker 2: Hannah Brown, Hannah Brown, shock her for everybody. Nobody knew her.

678
00:32:28,840 --> 00:32:31,760
Speaker 2: She got out on stage and fumbled over her words

679
00:32:31,760 --> 00:32:33,400
Speaker 2: and everybody's like, what are they doing?

680
00:32:33,480 --> 00:32:33,640
Speaker 6: Right?

681
00:32:33,720 --> 00:32:35,880
Speaker 2: If you remember her first time on camera, it.

682
00:32:35,840 --> 00:32:38,000
Speaker 3: Was like I knew how did my bones?

683
00:32:38,040 --> 00:32:39,760
Speaker 4: I was like, this girl's going to be a rock star.

684
00:32:40,280 --> 00:32:41,160
Speaker 3: Have faith in her.

685
00:32:41,400 --> 00:32:43,160
Speaker 2: But if you go back to that moment, you watch

686
00:32:43,240 --> 00:32:46,480
Speaker 2: her interview after the final Rows You're like, she can't

687
00:32:46,480 --> 00:32:50,160
Speaker 2: even talk, like like we don't know her, who is she?

688
00:32:50,440 --> 00:32:51,040
Speaker 7: What are we doing?

689
00:32:51,080 --> 00:32:53,200
Speaker 2: She was just involved in some drama on the season,

690
00:32:53,200 --> 00:32:55,360
Speaker 2: and then now she's a bachelorette, and look where we're

691
00:32:55,360 --> 00:32:57,920
Speaker 2: at now. So I'm saying like there's a lot of

692
00:32:57,960 --> 00:33:02,080
Speaker 2: hope here. There's probably a lot of excitement, but I

693
00:33:02,080 --> 00:33:04,920
Speaker 2: think when it comes to this season, it could be

694
00:33:04,920 --> 00:33:06,960
Speaker 2: a shocker of how popular it is and will all

695
00:33:07,040 --> 00:33:09,920
Speaker 2: forget that we didn't really know Jin on the Bachelorette.

696
00:33:10,000 --> 00:33:13,600
Speaker 4: We're getting some incoming news that Daisy's also currently in

697
00:33:13,640 --> 00:33:19,719
Speaker 4: another relationship. She might be rekindling things with a former flame.

698
00:33:20,440 --> 00:33:26,200
Speaker 4: We also I also need to say that these sources

699
00:33:26,240 --> 00:33:28,680
Speaker 4: of mine told me that it was going to be

700
00:33:28,800 --> 00:33:32,760
Speaker 4: Jen this week, and I was like, no way, but

701
00:33:32,880 --> 00:33:35,480
Speaker 4: also kind of in belief because I kind of believe

702
00:33:35,520 --> 00:33:37,960
Speaker 4: it because I knew Daisy didn't want it. But then

703
00:33:38,040 --> 00:33:42,560
Speaker 4: I also thought that perhaps Maria would not be the

704
00:33:42,680 --> 00:33:45,440
Speaker 4: easies of choices for production.

705
00:33:45,840 --> 00:33:47,840
Speaker 2: Oh, I thought it would be great, it would be wild.

706
00:33:47,720 --> 00:33:49,959
Speaker 3: To bea but they would hate it, but the audience

707
00:33:50,000 --> 00:33:50,440
Speaker 3: would love it.

708
00:33:50,480 --> 00:33:54,520
Speaker 4: Look, I get I think the Bachelor production needs to

709
00:33:54,640 --> 00:33:58,160
Speaker 4: appeal and accommodate for the audience's wishes. That's what they

710
00:33:58,160 --> 00:34:02,760
Speaker 4: did with Joey and that worked so well. I think

711
00:34:02,800 --> 00:34:05,240
Speaker 4: this is a big mistake to not go with Maria

712
00:34:06,760 --> 00:34:09,920
Speaker 4: not And this is of course not to say anything

713
00:34:09,920 --> 00:34:12,920
Speaker 4: bad about Jen, nothing bad about Jen. But I was shocked.

714
00:34:12,960 --> 00:34:17,560
Speaker 4: And then when and yesterday when it actually was announced,

715
00:34:17,600 --> 00:34:20,480
Speaker 4: I was also my jaws still dropped.

716
00:34:20,640 --> 00:34:21,200
Speaker 3: I couldn't.

717
00:34:21,239 --> 00:34:34,160
Speaker 2: I was like, wow, Okay, So for our guests here

718
00:34:34,360 --> 00:34:37,040
Speaker 2: justin I want you to start, what are your thoughts?

719
00:34:37,040 --> 00:34:40,000
Speaker 2: Like it take off? Like we've all shared our opinions here,

720
00:34:40,000 --> 00:34:42,080
Speaker 2: but I want to hear everybody's thoughts on what's going on.

721
00:34:42,960 --> 00:34:47,480
Speaker 7: Yeah, I think it's even bigger of a fumble if

722
00:34:47,520 --> 00:34:50,640
Speaker 7: there isn't a paradise this year, because I feel like

723
00:34:51,000 --> 00:34:53,799
Speaker 7: you got to get Maria back on screens somehow. Yeah,

724
00:34:54,000 --> 00:34:57,640
Speaker 7: it was so frustrating. Obviously we've all been through, but

725
00:34:57,680 --> 00:34:59,680
Speaker 7: even like now as a viewer, I feel like it's

726
00:35:00,160 --> 00:35:03,160
Speaker 7: trading because it's like, okay, just when the franchise was

727
00:35:03,200 --> 00:35:05,719
Speaker 7: back on a good trajectory, it's like, yeah, people are

728
00:35:05,760 --> 00:35:07,840
Speaker 7: telling you what they want, and it's so frustrated that

729
00:35:07,880 --> 00:35:10,880
Speaker 7: they don't listen. Yes, Oh and I understand there's a

730
00:35:10,880 --> 00:35:12,920
Speaker 7: lot that goes on behind the scenes that you know,

731
00:35:12,960 --> 00:35:14,719
Speaker 7: we're pretty too, but there's stuff that we're not even

732
00:35:14,719 --> 00:35:16,359
Speaker 7: pretty to. I mean, you guys, some of you guys

733
00:35:16,360 --> 00:35:20,120
Speaker 7: were leads, but I feel like you got to figure

734
00:35:20,120 --> 00:35:22,400
Speaker 7: it out, right. And I even said, you know, because

735
00:35:22,480 --> 00:35:24,279
Speaker 7: Susie thought it was gonna be Maria, I thought it

736
00:35:24,320 --> 00:35:27,080
Speaker 7: would be Daisy, And part of me was like, I

737
00:35:27,080 --> 00:35:31,120
Speaker 7: don't like the personality is fun, it's exciting, whatever, but like,

738
00:35:31,160 --> 00:35:34,080
Speaker 7: I don't know if she makes for good, like for

739
00:35:34,200 --> 00:35:37,360
Speaker 7: what does And I'm thinking from the production standpoint, I understand, yeah,

740
00:35:37,440 --> 00:35:39,200
Speaker 7: from it like we want to see Maria, right, but

741
00:35:39,239 --> 00:35:41,960
Speaker 7: from a show stand like she doesn't fit that mold

742
00:35:41,960 --> 00:35:43,839
Speaker 7: that they want. But that's kind of the problem, right,

743
00:35:43,840 --> 00:35:45,000
Speaker 7: Like I feel like they got to break out of

744
00:35:45,040 --> 00:35:45,359
Speaker 7: that mold.

745
00:35:45,400 --> 00:35:48,160
Speaker 4: Why do they want that mold so bad? Because like,

746
00:35:48,440 --> 00:35:50,640
Speaker 4: don't they want a Caitlyn Bristow again, I just am

747
00:35:50,640 --> 00:35:52,800
Speaker 4: so confused because then I would say that Hannah Brown

748
00:35:52,880 --> 00:35:55,799
Speaker 4: is also the closest relation to a Caitlin Bristow, And

749
00:35:55,840 --> 00:36:00,920
Speaker 4: those are your two like most monumental like season right, I'm.

750
00:36:00,760 --> 00:36:03,560
Speaker 7: Like that's what people. People want good TV. They don't

751
00:36:03,560 --> 00:36:08,600
Speaker 7: want like just boring bland, you know whatever. So I

752
00:36:08,600 --> 00:36:12,279
Speaker 7: don't know my my take, I feel like on the

753
00:36:12,520 --> 00:36:17,120
Speaker 7: gen pick, and I don't want to sound like I think.

754
00:36:17,360 --> 00:36:19,600
Speaker 7: I think it's great. I think I'm I'm rooting for.

755
00:36:19,640 --> 00:36:22,160
Speaker 7: I hope she's, you know, surprised as we don't know her,

756
00:36:22,200 --> 00:36:24,279
Speaker 7: but that's probably not to her fault. They just didn't show,

757
00:36:24,480 --> 00:36:27,120
Speaker 7: you know, her personality. She seems like she has a

758
00:36:27,120 --> 00:36:30,840
Speaker 7: lot to offer, so I think she's gonna make for

759
00:36:30,960 --> 00:36:33,879
Speaker 7: a good bachelorette. I think it's interesting though, and maybe

760
00:36:33,880 --> 00:36:36,600
Speaker 7: I might be looking too deep into it. I think

761
00:36:36,600 --> 00:36:39,759
Speaker 7: it's great that she is the first Asian bachelorette, so

762
00:36:40,120 --> 00:36:42,279
Speaker 7: to have that representation is huge, and I think she's

763
00:36:42,360 --> 00:36:44,879
Speaker 7: going to put on for a lot of people and

764
00:36:45,120 --> 00:36:49,600
Speaker 7: that's that's amazing. It was interesting to see I don't

765
00:36:49,600 --> 00:36:53,640
Speaker 7: know if you guys saw that the preliminary cast was released. Yeah,

766
00:36:53,680 --> 00:36:56,680
Speaker 7: which Noah's brother is in there, which I think is

767
00:36:57,360 --> 00:36:58,239
Speaker 7: no herb.

768
00:36:58,280 --> 00:37:01,120
Speaker 4: Oh, Noah's actual brother. I saw somebody in the comments

769
00:37:01,640 --> 00:37:05,720
Speaker 4: saying like Noah's like twin or I was like, oh,

770
00:37:06,280 --> 00:37:08,880
Speaker 4: so like yeah, he looks like no Oh, there's actual brother.

771
00:37:08,960 --> 00:37:10,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, cool, that's.

772
00:37:10,120 --> 00:37:12,399
Speaker 7: It's so funny. But I don't know if I'm looking

773
00:37:12,440 --> 00:37:13,840
Speaker 7: too deep into it. But if you look at the

774
00:37:13,880 --> 00:37:15,920
Speaker 7: cast and again it's not finalized, I don't think, but

775
00:37:16,680 --> 00:37:21,440
Speaker 7: there is zero Asian representation now, so I'm thinking, you know,

776
00:37:21,440 --> 00:37:23,000
Speaker 7: and I don't know how much say you get? You know,

777
00:37:23,160 --> 00:37:24,840
Speaker 7: I know they asked Joey in one of the interviews

778
00:37:24,840 --> 00:37:26,560
Speaker 7: he did. There's a lot of brunettes like is that

779
00:37:26,600 --> 00:37:29,759
Speaker 7: your preference? Is that what you asked for? And so

780
00:37:30,040 --> 00:37:33,920
Speaker 7: I don't know what Jen's dating preference preferences are, but

781
00:37:34,760 --> 00:37:37,279
Speaker 7: it was just interesting to see that there was like

782
00:37:37,360 --> 00:37:41,279
Speaker 7: your first Asian bachelorette. There's no Asian representation in the cast.

783
00:37:41,640 --> 00:37:43,200
Speaker 7: It was I don't know, I don't know if I'm

784
00:37:43,200 --> 00:37:44,680
Speaker 7: looking too deep into it, but it's like, okay, so

785
00:37:44,800 --> 00:37:47,080
Speaker 7: was that like kind of a scramble pick last minute?

786
00:37:47,160 --> 00:37:49,520
Speaker 4: I think it's a scramble pick, right. I really think

787
00:37:49,560 --> 00:37:51,399
Speaker 4: that they were gonna they were going to They thought

788
00:37:51,400 --> 00:37:55,160
Speaker 4: they were going to convince Daisy, and I mean, who knows,

789
00:37:55,239 --> 00:37:57,440
Speaker 4: who knows what Maria think. Maybe I'm wrong, Maybe it's

790
00:37:57,480 --> 00:38:00,440
Speaker 4: not about Maria being like any sort of diva or whatnot,

791
00:38:00,440 --> 00:38:04,520
Speaker 4: because Lauren, who is you know. Her closest friend from

792
00:38:04,520 --> 00:38:08,920
Speaker 4: the season said that Maria declined the role as well.

793
00:38:09,360 --> 00:38:10,319
Speaker 3: But Maria just does.

794
00:38:10,440 --> 00:38:14,160
Speaker 4: I can't believe that, because Maria just doesn't seem to

795
00:38:14,200 --> 00:38:16,680
Speaker 4: have the personality to decline that role. Why would she,

796
00:38:16,800 --> 00:38:19,239
Speaker 4: especially with so much support behind her.

797
00:38:19,719 --> 00:38:22,200
Speaker 2: I want to hear I do want to hear Susie

798
00:38:22,239 --> 00:38:24,840
Speaker 2: and Rachel takes on this too, justin that's a great point,

799
00:38:24,960 --> 00:38:29,400
Speaker 2: and it's one that maybe they're maybe now they'll recast

800
00:38:29,440 --> 00:38:31,640
Speaker 2: a little bit, like that's been a thing, you know,

801
00:38:31,960 --> 00:38:35,279
Speaker 2: announce a bachelorette. It's kind of a shocker they recast,

802
00:38:35,800 --> 00:38:39,279
Speaker 2: will not see some of the people? Do they preliminary announced?

803
00:38:39,560 --> 00:38:43,480
Speaker 2: But don't they start filming like in a week lesson

804
00:38:43,560 --> 00:38:46,800
Speaker 2: a week Yeah, like tomorrow, Like aren't they like going

805
00:38:46,800 --> 00:38:50,160
Speaker 2: at it on Wednesday? Okay? Yeah, Susie, I want to

806
00:38:50,160 --> 00:38:51,880
Speaker 2: hear your take, and we'll get to Rachel and then

807
00:38:51,920 --> 00:38:53,920
Speaker 2: Ashley and I will kind of close because I do

808
00:38:54,000 --> 00:38:57,959
Speaker 2: have some thoughts and I do have some weird feelings

809
00:38:58,320 --> 00:39:01,359
Speaker 2: based on Jin's appearance life night too on the show,

810
00:39:01,400 --> 00:39:03,759
Speaker 2: like kind of this the jokes and some of the

811
00:39:03,760 --> 00:39:06,239
Speaker 2: weird stuff. I just I have some question that was

812
00:39:06,280 --> 00:39:06,959
Speaker 2: a weird joke.

813
00:39:10,280 --> 00:39:13,840
Speaker 8: Okay, So my thoughts, like breaking down everything we just discussed.

814
00:39:15,040 --> 00:39:16,840
Speaker 9: I think Daisy was such an.

815
00:39:16,680 --> 00:39:20,160
Speaker 8: Obvious pick because she appeals like she was such a

816
00:39:20,200 --> 00:39:24,279
Speaker 8: fan favorite. People loved her her denying it or not

817
00:39:24,280 --> 00:39:26,279
Speaker 8: wanting to be in it or possibly like rekindling a

818
00:39:26,360 --> 00:39:32,359
Speaker 8: relationship taking her out. I think we made we dorew

819
00:39:32,360 --> 00:39:35,200
Speaker 8: the comparison of like, everybody wanted Joey and so they

820
00:39:35,200 --> 00:39:39,120
Speaker 8: picked Joey. But Joey also is like a production dream.

821
00:39:39,320 --> 00:39:40,920
Speaker 8: You know, he seemed I mean from what I know,

822
00:39:41,080 --> 00:39:45,160
Speaker 8: he seems like somebody that is like easy going, kind considerate,

823
00:39:45,200 --> 00:39:48,880
Speaker 8: going to treat people around him with consideration, and you know,

824
00:39:49,160 --> 00:39:52,160
Speaker 8: humble and like all of those things. So yes, he

825
00:39:52,239 --> 00:39:55,200
Speaker 8: was what the people wanted, but he also was production's dream,

826
00:39:55,239 --> 00:39:57,440
Speaker 8: where I'm like, Marie's what the people want, but I

827
00:39:57,480 --> 00:40:00,680
Speaker 8: don't know that she's a production dream, so she's not safe.

828
00:40:00,840 --> 00:40:03,239
Speaker 9: Yeah, she may not be safe, which is exciting.

829
00:40:03,760 --> 00:40:06,160
Speaker 8: And again I think it's like one of those moments

830
00:40:06,440 --> 00:40:08,040
Speaker 8: which I don't want to say is a fumble because

831
00:40:08,480 --> 00:40:10,640
Speaker 8: for all we know, Jen is about to be the

832
00:40:10,640 --> 00:40:14,800
Speaker 8: most iconic bachelorette like ever, So we can't speak before

833
00:40:14,840 --> 00:40:17,440
Speaker 8: we know, but we just we just don't know.

834
00:40:17,440 --> 00:40:19,440
Speaker 9: We haven't seen enough of her. I'm hopeful.

835
00:40:20,120 --> 00:40:23,239
Speaker 8: Obviously she is stunning, and from what we hear, she's

836
00:40:23,320 --> 00:40:24,520
Speaker 8: like sweet.

837
00:40:24,320 --> 00:40:26,280
Speaker 9: Kind, funny, witty, all all the above.

838
00:40:27,840 --> 00:40:31,440
Speaker 8: But I think that this is my hot take and

839
00:40:32,040 --> 00:40:33,680
Speaker 8: not trying to be too big for my britches. But

840
00:40:33,760 --> 00:40:37,279
Speaker 8: I think that production thinks they can create like a

841
00:40:37,360 --> 00:40:41,120
Speaker 8: Caitlin Bristow, a Hannahbee two point out. Like I think

842
00:40:41,200 --> 00:40:44,120
Speaker 8: that they think, oh, we take this person and we

843
00:40:44,160 --> 00:40:46,279
Speaker 8: can maybe shape them and rold them and like give

844
00:40:46,280 --> 00:40:46,920
Speaker 8: the people.

845
00:40:46,640 --> 00:40:48,640
Speaker 9: What they want. But what the people want is like

846
00:40:48,680 --> 00:40:49,720
Speaker 9: an authentic person.

847
00:40:49,840 --> 00:40:53,200
Speaker 8: Like people don't want a curated version of like a

848
00:40:53,239 --> 00:40:57,239
Speaker 8: previous bachelorette where they're like, oh, go be the empowered this,

849
00:40:57,400 --> 00:40:59,600
Speaker 8: go go give like a tough line. Like I think

850
00:40:59,760 --> 00:41:02,960
Speaker 8: Perduction is maybe thinking, oh, we can like curate people

851
00:41:03,000 --> 00:41:05,040
Speaker 8: to be what we want. But the reason why people

852
00:41:05,080 --> 00:41:08,400
Speaker 8: love Joey is because he was authentic, and it's the

853
00:41:08,400 --> 00:41:11,359
Speaker 8: same reason why people loved Caitlin and Hannah and like

854
00:41:11,520 --> 00:41:13,959
Speaker 8: everybody that's just so like authentical.

855
00:41:15,360 --> 00:41:18,160
Speaker 4: I know I'm looking at Rachel's you guys know, you

856
00:41:18,200 --> 00:41:20,120
Speaker 4: guys were incredible bachelorettes.

857
00:41:20,200 --> 00:41:23,040
Speaker 3: Yes, No, I know you should have had your own season.

858
00:41:23,040 --> 00:41:24,600
Speaker 3: And what I would have loved to have is you

859
00:41:25,280 --> 00:41:26,080
Speaker 3: have your own season.

860
00:41:26,280 --> 00:41:27,080
Speaker 5: Well I was.

861
00:41:27,239 --> 00:41:29,759
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, I was gonna say, like just like kind

862
00:41:29,800 --> 00:41:31,600
Speaker 6: of to go off what Susie said in a way

863
00:41:31,640 --> 00:41:35,880
Speaker 6: too though, like trying to make someone like I think,

864
00:41:36,000 --> 00:41:38,760
Speaker 6: a lead, like they all the time just pick random

865
00:41:38,760 --> 00:41:41,000
Speaker 6: people to be leads, Like I feel like Katie was

866
00:41:41,040 --> 00:41:43,080
Speaker 6: like kind of a choice that I didn't see comming

867
00:41:43,239 --> 00:41:46,480
Speaker 6: Like Clayton, they don't really care like what the audience

868
00:41:46,520 --> 00:41:49,359
Speaker 6: thinks like and in a way, the lead is kind

869
00:41:49,360 --> 00:41:51,960
Speaker 6: of just like there, and the show is about the

870
00:41:52,080 --> 00:41:54,400
Speaker 6: cast kind of in a way. And I think with

871
00:41:54,560 --> 00:41:57,160
Speaker 6: Me and Gabby season, why everyone considers it like such

872
00:41:57,200 --> 00:41:59,560
Speaker 6: a big, huge, like failure it sucked was because the

873
00:41:59,560 --> 00:42:01,880
Speaker 6: whole seas and what's about me and Gabby and me

874
00:42:01,920 --> 00:42:03,360
Speaker 6: and Gabby had all the screen time when we were

875
00:42:03,520 --> 00:42:07,080
Speaker 6: on screen crying, where like the seasons that do well,

876
00:42:07,120 --> 00:42:10,000
Speaker 6: it's like the cast has drama and it's a good cast.

877
00:42:10,480 --> 00:42:12,040
Speaker 6: So I think the lead is kind of just there

878
00:42:12,040 --> 00:42:13,880
Speaker 6: in a way, and that might be like a weird take,

879
00:42:14,600 --> 00:42:16,480
Speaker 6: but I don't know. It's like they don't carry the

880
00:42:16,520 --> 00:42:18,920
Speaker 6: season as much as like the contestants too.

881
00:42:19,120 --> 00:42:22,120
Speaker 4: I don't know, I felt like Joey really carried this season.

882
00:42:22,239 --> 00:42:25,080
Speaker 4: He just has everything we wanted to watch. And when

883
00:42:25,120 --> 00:42:28,160
Speaker 4: I keep referring to like duds in the past, I'm sorry,

884
00:42:28,200 --> 00:42:31,640
Speaker 4: but I'm thinking about Clayton and Zach, particularly because those

885
00:42:31,680 --> 00:42:34,799
Speaker 4: were two bachelors that we really never asked for at all.

886
00:42:36,080 --> 00:42:38,120
Speaker 5: Well, Clayton had a good season, it was dramatic.

887
00:42:38,480 --> 00:42:42,040
Speaker 4: Yes, you girls actually carried that season. Yeah, so I

888
00:42:42,080 --> 00:42:43,920
Speaker 4: guess it's it's up to the season.

889
00:42:44,000 --> 00:42:45,960
Speaker 8: But I agree with Rachel in the sense that like

890
00:42:46,280 --> 00:42:48,560
Speaker 8: Joey's girls, yeah wild, like.

891
00:42:48,520 --> 00:42:51,600
Speaker 3: They were also incredible cast. Incredible cast.

892
00:42:51,960 --> 00:42:54,080
Speaker 7: Yeah, Like I agree with Rachel's but like I think

893
00:42:54,160 --> 00:42:57,680
Speaker 7: the cast makes it. And I don't know if they

894
00:42:57,760 --> 00:42:59,800
Speaker 7: just don't air it or whatever, but like I feel

895
00:42:59,800 --> 00:43:02,680
Speaker 7: like we all we go off of a feel like

896
00:43:02,760 --> 00:43:05,200
Speaker 7: Joey seems like an incredible person, right, and that's just

897
00:43:05,200 --> 00:43:07,359
Speaker 7: a feeling we get from what he emotes. It's it's

898
00:43:07,400 --> 00:43:09,080
Speaker 7: what we hear from all the girls. So it's like

899
00:43:09,200 --> 00:43:11,800
Speaker 7: Joey is a good person, right, But we really didn't

900
00:43:11,840 --> 00:43:13,279
Speaker 7: get to know that much about him. When you think

901
00:43:13,280 --> 00:43:15,080
Speaker 7: about it all, I walk away you know him is like,

902
00:43:15,480 --> 00:43:18,680
Speaker 7: my biggest fear is that the person I choose, that's

903
00:43:18,760 --> 00:43:20,680
Speaker 7: all I know about him, you know what I mean.

904
00:43:20,760 --> 00:43:23,040
Speaker 7: So it's like the cast. Yeah, like I don't know

905
00:43:23,080 --> 00:43:24,040
Speaker 7: anything about him.

906
00:43:24,160 --> 00:43:24,680
Speaker 3: I don't know.

907
00:43:24,880 --> 00:43:27,200
Speaker 4: I think what we have to I think let's agree

908
00:43:27,200 --> 00:43:31,120
Speaker 4: on it being probably a perfect combination of both. Yeah

909
00:43:31,160 --> 00:43:33,719
Speaker 4: and yeah, that's that's best.

910
00:43:33,760 --> 00:43:36,520
Speaker 7: Trouble Like, the lead has to facilitate good like he

911
00:43:37,040 --> 00:43:38,080
Speaker 7: was great in one on.

912
00:43:37,920 --> 00:43:40,200
Speaker 4: One, but you need him to be likable. He just

913
00:43:40,239 --> 00:43:42,280
Speaker 4: had this radiation. He's radiated like ability.

914
00:43:42,440 --> 00:43:44,400
Speaker 7: So it is a combination of both, but without a

915
00:43:44,400 --> 00:43:48,760
Speaker 7: good cast we got And I would point out to

916
00:43:48,960 --> 00:43:51,080
Speaker 7: Rachel saying her season was fairly I don't think it

917
00:43:51,120 --> 00:43:51,400
Speaker 7: was at all.

918
00:43:51,440 --> 00:43:54,680
Speaker 2: I think there's a lot of variables in everybody's time

919
00:43:55,080 --> 00:43:59,080
Speaker 2: that sit here, that's sitting here on this call, when

920
00:43:59,080 --> 00:44:01,360
Speaker 2: the show was doing well, and I think there's a

921
00:44:01,360 --> 00:44:03,359
Speaker 2: lot of variables to why it was not like getting

922
00:44:03,400 --> 00:44:08,799
Speaker 2: the viewership that maybe past seasons received. I don't know

923
00:44:08,800 --> 00:44:10,880
Speaker 2: if it was any at any level the leads or

924
00:44:10,880 --> 00:44:12,560
Speaker 2: the lack of leads. I do think there were some

925
00:44:12,680 --> 00:44:14,880
Speaker 2: weird choices, especially when it comes to the Bachelor, Bachelor

926
00:44:15,080 --> 00:44:19,200
Speaker 2: or the Bachelor, But Rachel, the best response that you

927
00:44:19,280 --> 00:44:24,160
Speaker 2: ever had, and to go to Susie's point, is your authenticity, Like, yes,

928
00:44:24,239 --> 00:44:26,480
Speaker 2: you say it showed you crying a lot. I also

929
00:44:26,520 --> 00:44:29,799
Speaker 2: think that brought the viewership in a lot, Like I think, yes,

930
00:44:29,840 --> 00:44:33,040
Speaker 2: there was like memes and no, there's memes and jokes

931
00:44:33,080 --> 00:44:34,960
Speaker 2: because that's what people do when they watch the show.

932
00:44:35,440 --> 00:44:40,400
Speaker 2: But that's also a response. So any response is positive

933
00:44:40,400 --> 00:44:43,520
Speaker 2: for the show, good or bad or indifferent. But what

934
00:44:43,600 --> 00:44:46,320
Speaker 2: people really related to and what they wanted to respond

935
00:44:46,320 --> 00:44:49,000
Speaker 2: to was your moments of authenticity. Who are you gonna be?

936
00:44:49,040 --> 00:44:52,560
Speaker 2: What were you gonna say? Put together in perfect ald time? No,

937
00:44:52,640 --> 00:44:55,279
Speaker 2: because that's not who humans are when they did, and

938
00:44:55,320 --> 00:44:58,280
Speaker 2: so I do think there was that like oh towards

939
00:44:58,320 --> 00:45:01,279
Speaker 2: your season of the show, and probably did as best

940
00:45:01,280 --> 00:45:03,239
Speaker 2: as it possibly could given the varigals that we were

941
00:45:03,239 --> 00:45:07,759
Speaker 2: just speaking of, because of just you and Gabby being

942
00:45:07,760 --> 00:45:11,720
Speaker 2: able to be who you were, like unfiltered, uncut together,

943
00:45:12,239 --> 00:45:15,960
Speaker 2: like causing chaos and trying to find love like that's beautiful.

944
00:45:16,640 --> 00:45:22,800
Speaker 2: I do think in all of this, I hope the

945
00:45:23,040 --> 00:45:26,400
Speaker 2: authenticity is allowed from jin We don't know her, we

946
00:45:26,480 --> 00:45:29,359
Speaker 2: don't know her at all, right, then, again, that's like,

947
00:45:29,440 --> 00:45:32,880
Speaker 2: as Justin was saying, it's not her fault. But last

948
00:45:32,960 --> 00:45:35,400
Speaker 2: night when she sat up on stage, it felt like

949
00:45:35,520 --> 00:45:38,480
Speaker 2: she was fedlined that she would not have said on

950
00:45:38,520 --> 00:45:41,520
Speaker 2: her own. And here's the thing, I don't know her,

951
00:45:41,560 --> 00:45:44,800
Speaker 2: so I don't know if she's like susceptible to being,

952
00:45:44,920 --> 00:45:47,360
Speaker 2: you know, with that input or what. I hope somebody

953
00:45:47,360 --> 00:45:49,880
Speaker 2: gets in her ear here soon. And then it's like

954
00:45:49,920 --> 00:45:53,960
Speaker 2: twenty four hours, I guess some pass lead and says, Jin,

955
00:45:54,560 --> 00:45:59,239
Speaker 2: you're great, You're incredible, You're obviously funny. We saw some

956
00:45:59,320 --> 00:46:01,520
Speaker 2: moments of you on the show, right, like they tried

957
00:46:01,560 --> 00:46:05,880
Speaker 2: to make another joke on live television of you making

958
00:46:05,920 --> 00:46:10,160
Speaker 2: a joke in the past, like be yourself, Like, never

959
00:46:10,360 --> 00:46:13,040
Speaker 2: sacrifice yourself for the sake of what they're telling me

960
00:46:13,120 --> 00:46:15,320
Speaker 2: to do, because if you do, this show is gonna

961
00:46:15,520 --> 00:46:17,319
Speaker 2: tune you up and spit you out real fast. But

962
00:46:17,440 --> 00:46:19,440
Speaker 2: put your foot down now. You're incredible who you are.

963
00:46:19,480 --> 00:46:23,200
Speaker 2: You've been chosen. They're not choosing anybody else. Be yourself

964
00:46:23,480 --> 00:46:25,920
Speaker 2: because people are gonna most love you if you're yourself,

965
00:46:26,000 --> 00:46:28,640
Speaker 2: and you have the best shot of finding love on

966
00:46:28,760 --> 00:46:31,600
Speaker 2: the show. But last night, I will say threw a

967
00:46:31,600 --> 00:46:33,960
Speaker 2: red flag up for me when it got really weird

968
00:46:34,000 --> 00:46:35,960
Speaker 2: and really awkward on my TV and it felt like

969
00:46:36,000 --> 00:46:38,360
Speaker 2: she was being fed lines that well she would not

970
00:46:38,400 --> 00:46:40,200
Speaker 2: have said naturally, And I'm like, I hope this is

971
00:46:40,200 --> 00:46:42,279
Speaker 2: not a marker for the rest of the season for

972
00:46:42,320 --> 00:46:43,080
Speaker 2: her sake. Really.

973
00:46:43,880 --> 00:46:47,279
Speaker 7: Yeah, even I remember like it felt kind of weird

974
00:46:47,280 --> 00:46:49,200
Speaker 7: and again, we don't know her, so maybe this is her.

975
00:46:49,640 --> 00:46:52,319
Speaker 7: But even the whole like shot o'clock thing, we were like, oh,

976
00:46:52,640 --> 00:46:55,439
Speaker 7: like trying to your fun and so it's just like maybe,

977
00:46:55,480 --> 00:46:57,160
Speaker 7: I mean, I'm sure she is fun and funny, but

978
00:46:57,200 --> 00:47:01,360
Speaker 7: it's like it felt like production knew, like Okay, they

979
00:47:01,360 --> 00:47:02,960
Speaker 7: don't know anything about her, Like let him know you're

980
00:47:03,040 --> 00:47:04,200
Speaker 7: fun and you drink.

981
00:47:05,600 --> 00:47:06,480
Speaker 2: You take shots.

982
00:47:10,120 --> 00:47:13,160
Speaker 8: It's like yeah, but yeah, it's like I think that's

983
00:47:13,160 --> 00:47:14,960
Speaker 8: where I'm just like, just let her be her, like,

984
00:47:15,000 --> 00:47:18,600
Speaker 8: don't try to like sculpture into any previous anything, because

985
00:47:18,640 --> 00:47:20,239
Speaker 8: that's when she'll be successful.

986
00:47:20,800 --> 00:47:22,600
Speaker 4: Yeah, it was so awkward, and Ben, I think you're

987
00:47:22,640 --> 00:47:24,840
Speaker 4: referring to the line where she said I'm looking for

988
00:47:24,880 --> 00:47:26,000
Speaker 4: a big.

989
00:47:26,160 --> 00:47:28,320
Speaker 2: Big, big, big.

990
00:47:27,800 --> 00:47:29,320
Speaker 3: Big personality.

991
00:47:29,880 --> 00:47:34,440
Speaker 4: It's like, yeah, and before we move on completely to that, Rachel,

992
00:47:34,480 --> 00:47:36,719
Speaker 4: I just wanted to let you know that you two

993
00:47:36,800 --> 00:47:37,520
Speaker 4: are beloved.

994
00:47:37,800 --> 00:47:39,480
Speaker 3: Your cast sucked.

995
00:47:39,960 --> 00:47:42,399
Speaker 4: Yeah, okay, so you're actually this is like a whole

996
00:47:42,400 --> 00:47:44,879
Speaker 4: this is the case in point your cast. I don't

997
00:47:44,880 --> 00:47:48,560
Speaker 4: remember one man from it besides Tino and then whatever

998
00:47:48,640 --> 00:47:54,200
Speaker 4: the name of the guy that that you chose, that chose,

999
00:47:54,320 --> 00:47:55,320
Speaker 4: I have no idea.

1000
00:47:55,719 --> 00:47:57,200
Speaker 3: I'm sorry, I forget his name already.

1001
00:47:57,360 --> 00:48:01,839
Speaker 5: So yeah, no, it wasn't. It was a very miserable well.

1002
00:48:01,880 --> 00:48:03,719
Speaker 6: I mean they were great, they were great, but I

1003
00:48:03,840 --> 00:48:06,520
Speaker 6: just think no one really know, like they didn't know

1004
00:48:06,560 --> 00:48:08,160
Speaker 6: how to do the season. There was just like so

1005
00:48:08,239 --> 00:48:11,600
Speaker 6: many variables. But I was just saying, I think people

1006
00:48:11,920 --> 00:48:14,000
Speaker 6: grew to dislike me and Gabby Moore just because we

1007
00:48:14,040 --> 00:48:16,080
Speaker 6: were on screen so much.

1008
00:48:16,160 --> 00:48:18,319
Speaker 3: Always because the other guys.

1009
00:48:18,480 --> 00:48:20,759
Speaker 5: Yeah, because there was no drama in the house, like

1010
00:48:20,800 --> 00:48:21,040
Speaker 5: at all.

1011
00:48:21,120 --> 00:48:22,840
Speaker 6: The boys didn't fight about a single thing because they

1012
00:48:22,840 --> 00:48:24,560
Speaker 6: didn't care about being Gabby, so why would they fight

1013
00:48:24,600 --> 00:48:24,960
Speaker 6: each other?

1014
00:48:25,400 --> 00:48:27,160
Speaker 5: But yeah, interesting season.

1015
00:48:27,320 --> 00:48:32,120
Speaker 6: Definitely agree with the gen thing though as well. But

1016
00:48:32,200 --> 00:48:34,520
Speaker 6: I will say, like the only thing I could think

1017
00:48:34,560 --> 00:48:37,719
Speaker 6: of is like, I think in that moment, gen or

1018
00:48:37,760 --> 00:48:40,240
Speaker 6: like any lead, you feel so lucky to be chosen

1019
00:48:40,280 --> 00:48:41,880
Speaker 6: in that moment. And I think they always kind of

1020
00:48:41,960 --> 00:48:45,239
Speaker 6: dangle over you, like Maria's in the audience, like Daisy's here,

1021
00:48:45,320 --> 00:48:46,920
Speaker 6: Like it might not be you, like we're saying it

1022
00:48:47,000 --> 00:48:49,120
Speaker 6: to you, but it could always change. So maybe she

1023
00:48:49,239 --> 00:48:51,600
Speaker 6: was just trying to like appease in that moment of

1024
00:48:51,640 --> 00:48:55,239
Speaker 6: like this splashy like thing that people are going to

1025
00:48:55,320 --> 00:48:58,200
Speaker 6: talk about, and like, like you said, hopefully she just is.

1026
00:48:58,160 --> 00:49:00,800
Speaker 5: Able to be more of herself on our own season.

1027
00:49:01,600 --> 00:49:05,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's hope. I think you're right. Yeah again, I go.

1028
00:49:05,360 --> 00:49:07,840
Speaker 2: I want it to be clear, your first interaction on

1029
00:49:07,920 --> 00:49:10,080
Speaker 2: live television is not when we're gonna judge off. I'm

1030
00:49:10,080 --> 00:49:11,600
Speaker 2: not gonna be like I can't. I can't even watch

1031
00:49:11,640 --> 00:49:15,360
Speaker 2: this season because Jin's gonna be ripping shots and making weird,

1032
00:49:15,520 --> 00:49:17,840
Speaker 2: you know, bick jokes the whole time. Like no, I

1033
00:49:17,840 --> 00:49:22,600
Speaker 2: don't think that's what's gonna happen, because but I just

1034
00:49:22,600 --> 00:49:24,279
Speaker 2: think you're first, like we can't because they hand a

1035
00:49:24,320 --> 00:49:27,120
Speaker 2: brown right, or or like I'm sure you Rachel, like

1036
00:49:27,120 --> 00:49:29,239
Speaker 2: you're so nervous, you're so excited, you're so weird out

1037
00:49:29,280 --> 00:49:30,760
Speaker 2: by this whole thing that you're like, I'll do whatever

1038
00:49:30,880 --> 00:49:33,440
Speaker 2: just to get off stage and start this thing. So

1039
00:49:34,200 --> 00:49:36,239
Speaker 2: it's a season I'm excited for. I don't think she's

1040
00:49:36,280 --> 00:49:38,640
Speaker 2: a bad choice. I don't think she I think she's

1041
00:49:38,680 --> 00:49:42,240
Speaker 2: an unpopular choice. I don't think will end her season

1042
00:49:42,280 --> 00:49:44,520
Speaker 2: and be like, can I believe they chose Jin Like.

1043
00:49:44,840 --> 00:49:46,200
Speaker 2: I don't think it's gonna be case. I don't think

1044
00:49:46,239 --> 00:49:48,840
Speaker 2: it's gonna feel like some bachelor's a past were like

1045
00:49:48,960 --> 00:49:50,279
Speaker 2: that never really made sense.

1046
00:49:50,920 --> 00:49:53,600
Speaker 4: I have two more comments before we wrap this very

1047
00:49:53,640 --> 00:49:57,799
Speaker 4: long episode up. Sorry, guys. One, I think there's a

1048
00:49:57,880 --> 00:50:01,719
Speaker 4: good promising. There's there's promise that there's gonna be a

1049
00:50:01,760 --> 00:50:04,480
Speaker 4: bachelor in Paradise. I don't think that it's going to

1050
00:50:04,600 --> 00:50:08,080
Speaker 4: happen in the traditional timeline, but I think it will happen,

1051
00:50:08,239 --> 00:50:12,279
Speaker 4: especially with so many beloved characters from Joey season, and

1052
00:50:12,440 --> 00:50:14,840
Speaker 4: because I think they want Maria to be the queen.

1053
00:50:14,600 --> 00:50:16,920
Speaker 3: Of something, just something in which she's.

1054
00:50:16,800 --> 00:50:22,440
Speaker 4: Not the actual leader. What do you guys think about that? Okay, fine, Well,

1055
00:50:22,560 --> 00:50:24,720
Speaker 4: my sources also tell me that they're looking for another

1056
00:50:24,760 --> 00:50:28,359
Speaker 4: spot to shoot the show. You really don't think that

1057
00:50:28,400 --> 00:50:30,960
Speaker 4: Paradise is going to happen ever? Again, Ben, wait a.

1058
00:50:31,320 --> 00:50:33,400
Speaker 7: New spot for Paradise or like the new.

1059
00:50:33,280 --> 00:50:38,080
Speaker 4: Mansion, No for a Paradise Spot because apparently the Paradise

1060
00:50:38,120 --> 00:50:40,600
Speaker 4: Spot was bought out by somebody and they can't use

1061
00:50:40,640 --> 00:50:42,000
Speaker 4: that Mexico spot anymore.

1062
00:50:42,160 --> 00:50:44,640
Speaker 3: Ben, why are you such a pessimist.

1063
00:50:45,440 --> 00:50:47,640
Speaker 2: I just don't think it's gonna happen this year, I.

1064
00:50:47,560 --> 00:50:50,759
Speaker 4: Said, not in the traditional timeline. I think it's gonna

1065
00:50:50,760 --> 00:50:51,600
Speaker 4: happen again at some.

1066
00:50:51,600 --> 00:50:52,640
Speaker 2: Point in the next five years.

1067
00:50:53,200 --> 00:50:57,000
Speaker 4: Paradise I'm sure, yes, she wants Jared in my origin

1068
00:50:57,160 --> 00:50:58,759
Speaker 4: place to be destroyed.

1069
00:50:58,760 --> 00:51:01,520
Speaker 2: When I'm forty years old, there might be a parent No.

1070
00:51:01,640 --> 00:51:07,279
Speaker 4: You're being sassy. Okay, he's being sassy. A yes, that

1071
00:51:07,400 --> 00:51:11,560
Speaker 4: is my next point. Seems as if Kelsey's dad is

1072
00:51:11,640 --> 00:51:15,040
Speaker 4: going to be on the next season of The Golden Bachelorette.

1073
00:51:16,480 --> 00:51:19,280
Speaker 3: Well, I don't know. I'm like saying things with confidence

1074
00:51:19,280 --> 00:51:19,960
Speaker 3: that I shouldn't be.

1075
00:51:20,480 --> 00:51:24,080
Speaker 4: But guys, they showed that man so many times in

1076
00:51:24,120 --> 00:51:26,600
Speaker 4: the audience, and I was like, that is such an

1077
00:51:26,600 --> 00:51:30,279
Speaker 4: attractive man, Like that is such unattractive older man.

1078
00:51:30,520 --> 00:51:30,800
Speaker 3: Wow.

1079
00:51:31,480 --> 00:51:34,520
Speaker 4: And I wasn't even thinking about him being on the

1080
00:51:34,560 --> 00:51:37,279
Speaker 4: Golden Bachelorette. I was thinking, like, make this man the

1081
00:51:37,320 --> 00:51:41,919
Speaker 4: next Golden Bachelor. And then when they said at the end,

1082
00:51:42,800 --> 00:51:44,600
Speaker 4: they said, I don't know. When they wrapped up with

1083
00:51:44,680 --> 00:51:48,239
Speaker 4: Kelsey's dad, Jesse said maybe we'll be seeing more of

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Speaker 4: you in the future something blah blah blah, and then

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Speaker 4: his son nudged him and it was all giddy for

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Speaker 4: a moment.

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Speaker 3: Did you guys pick up on that.

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Speaker 7: I didn't hear that.

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Speaker 3: Oh, it was said like he was like, we'll be

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Speaker 3: seen hopefully.

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Speaker 4: We'll be seeing more of you soon or something like that,

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Speaker 4: and then there was a nudge and then there was

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Speaker 4: smiles exchange knowing smiles.

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Speaker 7: I was like looking for something like that, and I

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Speaker 7: didn't because I.

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Speaker 6: Don't know.

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Speaker 4: All I want is that man to not get chosen

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Speaker 4: to be the fiance the husband, and I want him

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Speaker 4: to be the next Golden Bachelor. That man is if

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Speaker 4: he's wanting to, he's wanting to because because I know

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Speaker 4: it's still recent and I still don't know whether I

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Speaker 4: would ever want a date again. But those are my

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Speaker 4: personal insights.

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Speaker 2: Hey, Susie, Justin Rachel, we're really glad you came on.

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Speaker 2: Thanks for joining us today for the finale breakdown of

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Speaker 2: Joey season. It was a very successful season and I

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Speaker 2: would say a really enjoyable season. To talk about There's

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Speaker 2: a lot of good that came from the season, a

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Speaker 2: beautiful love story, some incredible cast members. I feel like

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Speaker 2: the franchise is back at a good place and I

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Speaker 2: hope it continues. So now we look forward to Gens

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Speaker 2: season of The Bachelorette, the announcement of the Golden Bachelorette.

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Speaker 2: The show is rocking and rolling and some of Bachelornation's

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Speaker 2: favorites have joined us today on the Almost Famous Podcasts

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Speaker 2: and we appreciate all of you. Thank you so.

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Speaker 4: Much, Bye guys, and we love you.

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