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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace, a gorgeous young twenty five

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Speaker 1: This is Crime Stories. Thank you for being with us

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Speaker 1: here at Fox Nation, and Sirius XM one eleven, take

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Speaker 1: Sydney Sutherland, by twenty five year old mom and a

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Speaker 1: On the afternoon of August nineteenth, she goes for a jog,

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Speaker 1: UPS driver reports seeing Sidney during her jog between two

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Speaker 1: thank you for being with us here at Fox Nation.

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Speaker 1: In series XM one eleven, as I was listening to

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Speaker 1: Dave Macketcrime online dot Com, a million thoughts were cascading

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Speaker 1: through my mind, colliding from a regular route, she wrote

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Speaker 1: Did she do that? What do each of these things mean?

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Speaker 1: If anything? With me an all star panel to break

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Speaker 1: it down and put it back together again. First of all,

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Speaker 1: renowned defense attorney practicing throw across the country, but joining

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Speaker 1: us today from New York. Jason Oceans, new York psychologist,

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Speaker 1: joining me from Manhattan. You know her well and you

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Speaker 1: can find her at Karen Stark dot com. Donald Schweitzer,

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Speaker 1: former LA detective I like that, criminal defense attorney, don't

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Speaker 1: like that? And you can find him at Pasadena Lawoffice

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Speaker 1: podcast called Exhibit A with Me. Death investigator Joseph Scott Morgan,

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Speaker 1: Professor forensics Jacksonville State University and author of Blood Beneath

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Speaker 1: My Feet on Amazon, now the star of a new program,

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Speaker 1: Poisonous Liaisons on True Crime Network. But first to Ray Kaputo,

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Speaker 1: lead news anchor for w DBO Orlando. Ray Kaputo, First

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Speaker 1: of all, what do we know about this beautiful girl?

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Speaker 1: You can see her photo at crime online dot com.

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Speaker 1: Sydney Sutherland. Well, Nancy, Sydney. She's twenty five years old.

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Speaker 1: She was as a homegrown Southern girl. She was a nurse.

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Speaker 1: said she? It was a far from where she lived.

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Speaker 1: Where does she live? She lived in Jackson County, Arkansas. Now,

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Speaker 1: a little myth that they really like. She didn't even

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Speaker 1: had happened. And you know, you indicated earlier that there

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Speaker 1: was an Apple Watch. Yeah, you know. And I don't

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Speaker 1: know if they found it at the scene. Probably not.

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Speaker 1: And I'm just wondering if the phone is still connected

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Speaker 1: somehow to the Apple Watch, right, yep, yep, yep, yep, yep.

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Speaker 1: You're right, Donald Schweitzer, into you, Joseph Scott Morgan. The

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Speaker 1: fact that her phone was left there. I believe you

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Speaker 1: can look at a phone, like if we have Life

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Speaker 1: three to sixty, and I can tell where everybody's phone

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Speaker 1: is and how long it's been there, you know, in

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Speaker 1: the perfect world, so you could tell how long the

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00:27:23,560 --> 00:27:29,280
Speaker 1: phone had been laying there. Now, very often we see

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00:27:29,280 --> 00:27:32,600
Speaker 1: where the scene has been staged. That means it's somebody

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Speaker 1: connected to her. A random killer doesn't bother to stage

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Speaker 1: the scene. But I have seen cases where the person

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Speaker 1: is kidnapped and the phone is thrown out somewhere. I

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00:27:44,000 --> 00:27:47,240
Speaker 1: don't think that's likely here, because she was going out

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Speaker 1: to run and she had on her jagging clothes. I mean,

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Speaker 1: hold on, hold on, Joe Scott, Ray Kaputo, I'm looking

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Speaker 1: at a photo that the family shared. It's from ring

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Speaker 1: footage from a family member believed to be the last

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Speaker 1: photo taken of Sydney, just ninety minutes before she went

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Speaker 1: for her run. She has on it looks like a

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Speaker 1: jogging bra with a white tank top over it, and

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00:28:10,200 --> 00:28:14,920
Speaker 1: blue jogging pants and pink shoes. With her hair back.

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Speaker 1: That tells me this was at stage she had on

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Speaker 1: running clothes and the phone was found on a regular

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Speaker 1: running route. What about it, Joe Scott, Well, I have

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Speaker 1: to say, Nancy, you know what Don was saying just

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Speaker 1: a month ago about the watch and the phone being

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Speaker 1: tethered together. I think that's kind of interesting. If the

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Speaker 1: phone was just laying there, he gives us an indication

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Speaker 1: that maybe she was just suddenly snatched off of the road.

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Speaker 1: And one more thing I'd like to bring to your

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Speaker 1: attention here is the fact that if in fact, she

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Speaker 1: was using her phone as say, for a media device

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Speaker 1: where she's listening as she's jogging, she's not even gonna

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Speaker 1: have an awareness that anybody's coming up on her. I

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Speaker 1: use my phone all the time when I work out,

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Speaker 1: I can't hear under while I have the things in

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Speaker 1: my ears, so that might also come into places. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: why do you keep doing it, Joe Scott, because I

467
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Speaker 1: exercise inside of my house. Nancy, but you may not

468
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Speaker 1: be able to hear your wife creeping up behind you

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Speaker 1: with a frying pan. I'm just saying, guys, we're talking

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Speaker 1: about the disappearance of a beautiful young girl, beautiful Sydney Sutherland,

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Speaker 1: who dedicated her life to helping other people as a

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Speaker 1: registered nurse. Then the investigation in the past hours has

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Speaker 1: just taken a turn. Take a listen to our friend

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Speaker 1: Katie Woodall, a kai Region eight News Cut nine those

475
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Speaker 1: close to Sydney confirming just a few minutes ago that

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Speaker 1: the body discovered today was hers. This is coming from

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Speaker 1: Sydney's boyfriend's parents. They said the family was told the

478
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Speaker 1: body discovered today it was Sydney's Crime Stories with Nancy Grace,

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Speaker 1: the News just confirmed in the last hours that the

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Speaker 1: body of Sydney Sutherland has been found. Even more disturbing,

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Speaker 1: CoP's discover that she had been working out at a

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Speaker 1: Jonesboro gym earlier that day. So now they have a

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Speaker 1: new line of investigation. Did someone see her at the

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Speaker 1: gym and follow her, you know, Ray Kaputo, Lead news

485
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Speaker 1: anchor WDBO Orlando, as Joe Scott Morgan said, this is

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Speaker 1: in the middle of hundreds of miles of cotton farms

487
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Speaker 1: and other farms. The purp could have come from anywhere

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00:31:09,480 --> 00:31:14,680
Speaker 1: and gone anywhere. So now we have to look at

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Speaker 1: forensic possibilities. What do we know about the discovery of

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Speaker 1: Sydney's body, Well, Nancy, it was found really not far

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Speaker 1: from where she lived, a big less than about a

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Speaker 1: quarter of a mile and in the vicinity of where

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Speaker 1: her cell phone was. We know that investigators had started

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Speaker 1: honing in very early on on this in this area.

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Speaker 1: And it wasn't just deputies of law enforcement. We had

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Speaker 1: people out from the community and ATVs of helicopters as

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00:31:43,720 --> 00:31:47,320
Speaker 1: you heard. So they ended up finding her body. It

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00:31:47,440 --> 00:31:51,480
Speaker 1: was buried and she was strangled, she was beaten, and

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Speaker 1: there was a sexual assault that had taken place and

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Speaker 1: it was all about a quarter mile well an whit

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Speaker 1: minute strangled baiting, sex assault. This reminds me so much

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Speaker 1: of Teresa Halbach, the amateur well professional photographer who was

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00:32:09,800 --> 00:32:13,640
Speaker 1: working for a penny Pincher type magazine. Who was murdered,

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00:32:14,040 --> 00:32:22,520
Speaker 1: was raped, murdered, burned by Stephen Avery. It went on

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Speaker 1: to be a media darling when people suggested he and

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Speaker 1: his nephew did not do the crime. That tells me

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Speaker 1: a lot, Joseph Scott Morgan, she's sex assaulted, raped, strangled.

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Speaker 1: What does that tell you about the identity of the killer?

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Speaker 1: He knew or Nancy had been in her, in her circle.

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Speaker 1: I have to assume that. And also he buried her body,

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Speaker 1: so that means he took He took a lot of time, Nancy.

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Speaker 1: It takes time. This is somebody that was comfortable with

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Speaker 1: the environment, had the ability, had the tools at hand.

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Speaker 1: He has to have a shovel or something to dig

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00:33:06,560 --> 00:33:08,680
Speaker 1: the hole with, and he has to feel comfortable in

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00:33:08,680 --> 00:33:10,760
Speaker 1: the environment in which he did this. So this is

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00:33:10,760 --> 00:33:14,360
Speaker 1: a very intimate type of event that went on, obviously

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Speaker 1: because it's a sexual assault. But this person knew her, Yes,

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00:33:18,560 --> 00:33:21,840
Speaker 1: this person knew her. Agree or disagree, Jason Oshan is

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00:33:21,920 --> 00:33:24,520
Speaker 1: joining us out of New York knew her or did

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Speaker 1: not know her, based on the degree the killer went

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Speaker 1: to to hide her body. Now, this was planned and

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Speaker 1: purposeful in every rich way. Just as mentioned, intimate with

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Speaker 1: the area and knowledge, the tools all prepared a very

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Speaker 1: very violent intimate act. How do you determine a cause

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Speaker 1: of death? So at autopsy, one of the things that's

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Speaker 1: going to happen is as the body is opened and

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Speaker 1: you use the tools to kind of reflect the neck

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Speaker 1: or open up the neck, you will you're going to

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Speaker 1: see focal areas of hemorrhage. That that's a spotty areas

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Speaker 1: of hemorrhage that you're going to have in these muscles

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Speaker 1: along the windpipe, and that's going to give you an

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Speaker 1: indication there was pressure applied, a enough pressure, enough pressure

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Speaker 1: in order to render a hemorrhage in that area. And

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Speaker 1: also one of the things, if the eyes were not destroyed,

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Speaker 1: and I hate to be this graphic, you might also

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Speaker 1: see particular hemorrhages which most of the time are associated

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Speaker 1: with the sixty old deaths as well. The body city

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Speaker 1: Sutherland found she had been raped and strangled. Ray Kapeter

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Speaker 1: joining me, lead news anchor WDBO or Orlando. Where again

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Speaker 1: did you tell me her body was discovered? Her body

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Speaker 1: was discovered in a field as about a quarter of

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Speaker 1: a mile from her home and also a quarter of

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Speaker 1: a mile from I believe it's Root sixty seven or

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Speaker 1: Tyroade sixties, one of those big highways that kind of

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Speaker 1: cuts diagonal through the county. But I mean, long story shortage,

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Speaker 1: there wasn't a lot of people that lived around here,

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Speaker 1: so there wasn't a lot of people to see things.

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Speaker 1: In fact, I don't want to sound ominous, but if

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Speaker 1: Sydney was screaming at the top of her lungs when

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Speaker 1: all this happened, there's a good chance that not a

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Speaker 1: single soul herder aside from the person attacking her. And

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00:35:15,360 --> 00:35:18,600
Speaker 1: then a development in the case in the last hours.

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Speaker 1: Take a listen to this the sheriff confirming just a

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00:35:21,800 --> 00:35:25,440
Speaker 1: short while ago that the suspect is in custody. Who's

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00:35:25,480 --> 00:35:27,440
Speaker 1: the suspect's name has not been released, but we can

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00:35:27,560 --> 00:35:31,080
Speaker 1: confirm that the suspect is a man, that he's a farmer,

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00:35:31,080 --> 00:35:33,720
Speaker 1: and that he's from the Jonesboro area. The arrest coming

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Speaker 1: after more than two days of searching for twenty five

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Speaker 1: year old Sydney Sutherland. Now, going back to some video

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Speaker 1: that we captured earlier tonight, this is believed to be

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Speaker 1: the scene of where the twenty five year old's body

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00:35:45,840 --> 00:35:48,920
Speaker 1: was found which is a little north of Sutherland's home.

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Speaker 1: We locked down that entire area. Everything was calmed for evidence.

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Speaker 1: As far as what evidence was discovered and where, I

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Speaker 1: can't really elaborate, but the whole area. We shut it

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Speaker 1: down and locked it down. The sheriff says the man

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00:36:05,960 --> 00:36:09,200
Speaker 1: has been booked and will face some kind of homicide charge.

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Speaker 1: A suspect in custody. But who take a listen to

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Speaker 1: Mitch McCoy Fox sixteen News. An Arkansas State Police special

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Speaker 1: agent testified today that Quick Luwellen apparently confessed to investigators

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Speaker 1: that he had killed her and then led investigators to

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Speaker 1: her body. He was wearing a bulletproof vest when he

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Speaker 1: was taken into the Jackson County Courthouse. Take a listen,

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Speaker 1: Did you have anything to say? Did you kill Sydney Sutherland?

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Speaker 1: Come on. During the hearing, authorities testified that Llewellyn was

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Speaker 1: driving on County Road forty one, saw Sydney Sutherland walking

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Speaker 1: and drove by. Investigators say he turned around, abducted her,

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Speaker 1: and put her in the back of a pickup truck,

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Speaker 1: and sexually assaulted her. State least saying that Llewellyn then

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Speaker 1: buried the body on a farm I asked the prosecutors

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Speaker 1: if he plans on pursuing the death penalty. I think

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Speaker 1: it's premature to declare what the state's direction will be

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00:37:15,320 --> 00:37:19,560
Speaker 1: on that capital murder only carries two punishments, that's life

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00:37:19,560 --> 00:37:23,359
Speaker 1: without and death, and at this point both are still

586
00:37:23,400 --> 00:37:26,399
Speaker 1: on the table. Straight back at you. Ray Kaputo, lead

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00:37:26,600 --> 00:37:31,040
Speaker 1: news anchor for WDBO Orlando. Is it true that the

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Speaker 1: alleged killer was named in the farming family of the Year.

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00:37:40,400 --> 00:37:44,440
Speaker 1: That's correct. The Jackson County a family Farming of the Year.

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Speaker 1: I believe it was twenty sixteen. It was a well

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00:37:46,840 --> 00:37:51,360
Speaker 1: known family of farmers, and Quake was a third generation farmer.

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Speaker 1: Even though he worked for the family gnently, he did

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Speaker 1: have his own farmers, A guy who knew the farm

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Speaker 1: land well. He knew the geography well in the area too,

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Speaker 1: Jess got Morgan. Are you surprised, No, not at all.

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Speaker 1: In a small community like this, these people admit Nancy,

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00:38:09,280 --> 00:38:11,399
Speaker 1: trust me, he knows her, He's seen her. A matter

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Speaker 1: of fact, he's probably driven by while she's out on

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00:38:14,560 --> 00:38:18,239
Speaker 1: her you know, daily walk or run. That's when he

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00:38:18,400 --> 00:38:21,080
Speaker 1: noticed her. I'm sure she probably does this like clockwork.

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00:38:21,200 --> 00:38:24,360
Speaker 1: Nancy and he's driven by, he's seen her. They probably

602
00:38:24,400 --> 00:38:27,759
Speaker 1: grew up together, moved around the same circles in rural communities.

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Speaker 1: You do that, and that's what happened here. That's how

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Speaker 1: you identify Karen Steart New York psychologists joining us from Manhattan.

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00:38:34,760 --> 00:38:38,520
Speaker 1: How is it, Karen, what triggers in the mind? You

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00:38:38,600 --> 00:38:41,959
Speaker 1: see someone growing up, probably going to the same high

607
00:38:41,960 --> 00:38:45,960
Speaker 1: schools together, see her jogging every day, and that one

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00:38:46,080 --> 00:38:49,720
Speaker 1: day you decide to kill her. Well, I don't believe

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00:38:49,760 --> 00:38:52,439
Speaker 1: it's just one day, Nancy. I feel like this guy

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00:38:52,880 --> 00:38:57,160
Speaker 1: had an obsession. He was obsessed with her. He imagined

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00:38:57,800 --> 00:39:00,920
Speaker 1: this whole scenario. It was something thing that he played

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00:39:00,960 --> 00:39:04,680
Speaker 1: out repeatedly, particularly since we know this was her root.

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Speaker 1: This is what she did, and so it's no surprise

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00:39:08,760 --> 00:39:12,160
Speaker 1: to me that one day he could not hold back

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00:39:12,200 --> 00:39:14,920
Speaker 1: anymore and decided that this is what he was going

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Speaker 1: to do. It was all there in his head. There

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Speaker 1: was nothing that, in my opinion, was spontaneous about this.

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Speaker 1: So while it may seem spontaneous, he was just driving

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Speaker 1: by and abducted her suddenly, when Karen Stark explains it

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Speaker 1: that way, it's not spontaneous at all. We wait, as

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Speaker 1: justice en falls Nancy Grace, Crime Stories, Sunning Off, Goodbye Friend,