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Speaker 2: What is going on everybody? John Middlecoff three and out podcast.

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Speaker 2: Hopefully you were doing well wherever you may be. Is

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Speaker 2: the summer, it's hot, And today we have John Schneider,

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Speaker 2: super Bowl champion, general manager of the Seattle Seahawks, who

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Speaker 2: I was a big fan before, but you give me

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Speaker 2: He's like, Hey, would you want to come on the podcast?

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Speaker 2: And he's like, yeah, sure, how is next week work.

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Speaker 2: very very excited. I feel like I know this guy

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Speaker 2: even though I just officially met him about two minutes ago.

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Speaker 2: Followed his career really closely, and you know, I banged

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Speaker 2: out John spy Tech. Now I got John Schneider the GM.

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Speaker 2: I just need to get John Lynch and we'll just

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Speaker 2: make the Johns the GM of the John Show. John.

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Speaker 2: How you doing, what's going on?

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Speaker 3: Thanks for having me, man, It's cool. I appreciate you.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, very excited to have you on. Do you I

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Speaker 2: know you're a Midwest guy at your core, but you've

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Speaker 1: I'm kind I'm kind of feeling that way, you know,

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Speaker 2: That's pretty crazy when you think about it in a profession,

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Speaker 1: So Bob Harland was a president of the Agreement of Packers, right,

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Speaker 3: And he's like, yeah, I didn't know we are.

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Speaker 1: You're that freaking weirdo that keeps writing me letters and

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Speaker 3: So I went down.

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Speaker 1: I went down the Fallen like Tuesday or Wednesday for

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Speaker 1: So I interviewed with those guys and then yeah, we

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Speaker 2: You know what's crazy. It's safe to say scouting is,

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Speaker 2: at least from the outside, viewed as a sexier profession

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Speaker 2: in twenty twenty five. Then back then, probably much smaller

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Speaker 2: an incredible opportunity you just get in. Farv had just

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Speaker 2: not good before home Grin Farv and Ron Wolf and

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Speaker 2: They weren't just this rolling machine at the time, were they.

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Speaker 3: No?

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Speaker 1: Ron and Coach Houmgan really changed the whole culture. Oh

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Speaker 1: remember writing a report on Marcus Allen. It was like

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Speaker 1: Remember him throwing it on my desk. He's like, hey,

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Speaker 2: Like, was there a moment earlier in your career after

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Speaker 1: Wud be Yeah, yeah, I think, yeah, I think probably.

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Speaker 2: And you must know Sammy, I know Sammy Yeah yeah yeah, so.

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Speaker 1: When again, so I'm like twenty two and he kind

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Speaker 2: You know, talking to my buddies that will see you

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Speaker 3: You know, Pete and I would have a you know,

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Speaker 3: So you know, we need to you know, you know,

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Speaker 3: So yeah, you set up your schedule and it's like

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Speaker 2: You know, you got hired. Were you in your late

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Speaker 1: I was thirty eight, Okay, So John, I was like this.

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Speaker 2: Mike's Mike, his son. Mike's a good friend of mine.

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Speaker 2: I love Mike bradwife.

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Speaker 1: guys when I was anyway, and make me.

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Speaker 3: Sure even older again.

437
00:21:35,280 --> 00:21:38,960
Speaker 1: But anyway, Uh yeah, So when I went there, I

438
00:21:39,040 --> 00:21:41,640
Speaker 1: was twenty five, and you know, all of a sudden,

439
00:21:41,680 --> 00:21:45,720
Speaker 1: I'm sitting in across from already Shottenheimer talking about like

440
00:21:46,080 --> 00:21:49,000
Speaker 1: should we start Elvis yearbacker rich Gannon in the playoff game?

441
00:21:49,040 --> 00:21:52,159
Speaker 3: You know, It's like, whoa, I'm not qualified to be

442
00:21:52,280 --> 00:21:57,280
Speaker 3: doing this, you know, but yeah, just I think like that.

443
00:21:57,880 --> 00:22:00,239
Speaker 1: Just so I was like on this trajectory, and then

444
00:22:00,359 --> 00:22:04,159
Speaker 1: coach Homern and Ted came out here, and then I

445
00:22:04,240 --> 00:22:05,080
Speaker 1: came So I came out.

446
00:22:06,000 --> 00:22:06,639
Speaker 3: So we're kNs.

447
00:22:06,760 --> 00:22:09,080
Speaker 1: We were Kansas City, Tracy emerend Kin's city from ninety

448
00:22:09,760 --> 00:22:12,040
Speaker 1: it was like ninety seven, ninety eight, ninety nine.

449
00:22:12,040 --> 00:22:14,600
Speaker 3: So we just won the World Championship in New.

450
00:22:14,640 --> 00:22:20,719
Speaker 1: Orleans against the Patriots and then so we picked up

451
00:22:21,720 --> 00:22:25,360
Speaker 1: we literally so yeah, we literally moved from Green Bay

452
00:22:25,600 --> 00:22:26,200
Speaker 1: to Kansas City.

453
00:22:26,240 --> 00:22:29,320
Speaker 3: We got married with to Kansas City. Was there three years.

454
00:22:29,440 --> 00:22:31,320
Speaker 3: Then we came out here for a year, and.

455
00:22:31,440 --> 00:22:34,160
Speaker 1: Marty Schottenhammer got hired in Washington to be the head

456
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Speaker 1: coach and general manager.

457
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Speaker 3: So now I'm twenty.

458
00:22:37,119 --> 00:22:40,159
Speaker 1: Nine, you know, working for you know, I was like,

459
00:22:41,240 --> 00:22:43,879
Speaker 1: you know whatever, vice president of Footbops or whatever, you know,

460
00:22:44,119 --> 00:22:50,240
Speaker 1: working for coach Schttenhammer and Daniel Daniel Steider. You know,

461
00:22:50,440 --> 00:22:52,879
Speaker 1: like that's a whole different learning experience too.

462
00:22:52,960 --> 00:22:54,640
Speaker 3: Right there. I was like we were there.

463
00:22:55,200 --> 00:22:56,840
Speaker 1: I think we were I think we were in our

464
00:22:56,880 --> 00:22:59,399
Speaker 1: house for eight months. You know, that was nine to eleven.

465
00:22:59,600 --> 00:23:00,720
Speaker 1: It was just crazy year.

466
00:23:00,800 --> 00:23:03,560
Speaker 3: But it felt like that that experience right there was

467
00:23:03,640 --> 00:23:07,440
Speaker 3: probably like like three years packed into one. It was.

468
00:23:07,560 --> 00:23:09,439
Speaker 3: It was, it was, it was. It was a crazy year.

469
00:23:09,440 --> 00:23:12,919
Speaker 3: He used a lot there and then yeah, so.

470
00:23:14,400 --> 00:23:16,800
Speaker 1: And then you get fired, you know, so now it's like, okay,

471
00:23:16,880 --> 00:23:19,359
Speaker 1: well you have to kind of like you really just

472
00:23:19,520 --> 00:23:21,320
Speaker 1: to kind of like I don't want to see reinvent yourself,

473
00:23:21,320 --> 00:23:23,880
Speaker 1: but like, you know, pick yourself up, you know quick,

474
00:23:23,920 --> 00:23:26,879
Speaker 1: feeling sorry for yourself. I remember Sammy Steal beying like

475
00:23:27,080 --> 00:23:29,879
Speaker 1: and I went back to Green Bay, you know, and

476
00:23:30,200 --> 00:23:31,960
Speaker 1: Sammy is saying like at one point to me, he

477
00:23:32,119 --> 00:23:34,879
Speaker 1: was like, hey, man, like we need the old John back,

478
00:23:35,040 --> 00:23:37,040
Speaker 1: Like you need to like get your head out of

479
00:23:37,080 --> 00:23:38,560
Speaker 1: your butt, you know, because you kind of feel bad

480
00:23:38,600 --> 00:23:39,680
Speaker 1: for you know, you're like you're fired.

481
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Speaker 3: It's like whoa I was on in that fast track

482
00:23:41,880 --> 00:23:44,520
Speaker 3: and all of a sudden, you're just you know, it's

483
00:23:44,760 --> 00:23:45,040
Speaker 3: so it was.

484
00:23:45,280 --> 00:23:47,000
Speaker 1: It was really Green Bay was a great experience there

485
00:23:47,040 --> 00:23:49,119
Speaker 1: going back. We were there for eight more years and

486
00:23:49,200 --> 00:23:52,920
Speaker 1: then came out here. I was literally we were playing

487
00:23:52,960 --> 00:23:56,080
Speaker 1: Arizona and I was gonna you know, I had my

488
00:23:56,160 --> 00:23:58,320
Speaker 1: book for mister Allen and Tye that wiki and.

489
00:24:01,280 --> 00:24:02,560
Speaker 3: Like it was gonna was.

490
00:24:02,800 --> 00:24:04,600
Speaker 1: I was playing on hiring, like whoever got this job

491
00:24:04,720 --> 00:24:07,280
Speaker 1: was gonna was gonna. I was gonna hire a head coach.

492
00:24:07,320 --> 00:24:09,400
Speaker 1: So I had like thirty pages of in my book

493
00:24:09,560 --> 00:24:12,240
Speaker 1: of like always said coaches, we're gonna interview and get

494
00:24:12,280 --> 00:24:15,400
Speaker 1: rocking on. And we were playing Arizona on a Saturday,

495
00:24:15,560 --> 00:24:18,040
Speaker 1: so we're flying. I wake up like on a Friday

496
00:24:18,080 --> 00:24:20,879
Speaker 1: morning and this like thing comes across a ticker that

497
00:24:20,960 --> 00:24:23,600
Speaker 1: the Seahawks heard. Pete Carroll. I'm like, well, I guess

498
00:24:23,680 --> 00:24:28,359
Speaker 1: we're not moving to Seattle, baby, you know. And they

499
00:24:28,480 --> 00:24:30,160
Speaker 1: called me and they're like, no, like, we really want

500
00:24:30,240 --> 00:24:31,680
Speaker 1: this to be this really cool. He doesn't want to

501
00:24:31,680 --> 00:24:33,480
Speaker 1: be the general manager. He wants to have influence, and

502
00:24:33,600 --> 00:24:35,680
Speaker 1: the general manager's gonna be so he's gonna sit in

503
00:24:35,760 --> 00:24:39,280
Speaker 1: on the interviews, and you know, we think this would

504
00:24:39,280 --> 00:24:40,280
Speaker 1: be a great and I'd been.

505
00:24:40,200 --> 00:24:41,399
Speaker 3: Here for years, so I knew that people in the

506
00:24:41,400 --> 00:24:43,000
Speaker 3: building and it was a great organization.

507
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Speaker 1: So we came out on a Monday and interviewed you

508
00:24:47,119 --> 00:24:51,040
Speaker 1: know that Monday, and then I flew back to Green Bay,

509
00:24:51,119 --> 00:24:51,479
Speaker 1: came back.

510
00:24:51,520 --> 00:24:53,320
Speaker 3: But yeah, I was thirty eight. Sorry, that was a long.

511
00:24:57,160 --> 00:25:02,000
Speaker 2: Great I mean, man, we know you work with Pete,

512
00:25:03,800 --> 00:25:05,840
Speaker 2: you work with Pete for a long time, and obviously

513
00:25:06,040 --> 00:25:07,800
Speaker 2: you know you have so many guys that come through

514
00:25:07,800 --> 00:25:10,880
Speaker 2: you guys have so much success. And then your task

515
00:25:11,520 --> 00:25:14,160
Speaker 2: was it last year last January with hiring a new

516
00:25:14,320 --> 00:25:17,200
Speaker 2: head coach, you know, especially in a division with with

517
00:25:17,640 --> 00:25:20,680
Speaker 2: Kyle and Sean, it is a little sexier I think

518
00:25:20,840 --> 00:25:23,639
Speaker 2: to say, like people want to hire offensive coaches. But

519
00:25:23,800 --> 00:25:27,560
Speaker 2: your experience you've seen both, I mean home Grin obviously,

520
00:25:27,680 --> 00:25:30,080
Speaker 2: Marty Pete, you've kind of seen them all. Did you

521
00:25:30,160 --> 00:25:33,679
Speaker 2: go in pretty open minded to that situation? Obviously Mike's

522
00:25:33,800 --> 00:25:35,600
Speaker 2: defense was just I mean I knew a guy in

523
00:25:35,640 --> 00:25:38,080
Speaker 2: Baltimore that his nickname was boy Genius, So he's pretty

524
00:25:38,119 --> 00:25:41,080
Speaker 2: highly thought of if he If Mike was calling offense

525
00:25:41,119 --> 00:25:43,200
Speaker 2: a set of defense, I mean, let's face it, the

526
00:25:43,240 --> 00:25:44,920
Speaker 2: way he would be talked about, the way we talk

527
00:25:44,960 --> 00:25:47,840
Speaker 2: about offense would probably be a little different. Uh, just

528
00:25:48,000 --> 00:25:51,639
Speaker 2: that experience going into that open minded. Was he a target?

529
00:25:51,760 --> 00:25:52,720
Speaker 2: How that played out?

530
00:25:53,280 --> 00:25:57,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, you're it, You're on it. He was, you know,

531
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Speaker 1: kind of I had the same experience that you did.

532
00:25:59,720 --> 00:26:01,120
Speaker 1: You know, heard a lot of this guy. I read

533
00:26:01,119 --> 00:26:04,760
Speaker 1: a lot about him. I wasn't able to hit Michigan

534
00:26:04,760 --> 00:26:07,119
Speaker 1: in the year he was at Michigan. But obviously we

535
00:26:07,160 --> 00:26:11,040
Speaker 1: saw the result. You know, yeah, I think, yeah, you're

536
00:26:11,040 --> 00:26:13,520
Speaker 1: going into something like that, you're you're extremely open minded.

537
00:26:13,840 --> 00:26:15,520
Speaker 3: My my background would say.

538
00:26:16,720 --> 00:26:19,200
Speaker 1: You know, you lean towards the offensive coach stability with

539
00:26:19,400 --> 00:26:20,200
Speaker 1: with the quarterback.

540
00:26:21,200 --> 00:26:22,240
Speaker 3: Uh, and that's legit.

541
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Speaker 1: You know, Mike McCarthy's one of my close closest friends

542
00:26:25,680 --> 00:26:29,159
Speaker 1: in the industry, and and so you know, we were

543
00:26:29,240 --> 00:26:32,880
Speaker 1: part of that hiring process with Ted Thompson in Green Bay.

544
00:26:33,280 --> 00:26:36,159
Speaker 1: So I felt like I had a pretty good uh

545
00:26:36,280 --> 00:26:39,280
Speaker 1: feel for like where where we were headed. But once

546
00:26:39,320 --> 00:26:41,320
Speaker 1: we were able to speak to Mike, because you know,

547
00:26:41,600 --> 00:26:45,359
Speaker 1: they had the they had to buy and all the

548
00:26:45,400 --> 00:26:48,679
Speaker 1: stuff with Pete wasn't we didn't, you know, with ownership

549
00:26:50,040 --> 00:26:53,400
Speaker 1: coach Carrol all I wasn't settled like right away early

550
00:26:53,440 --> 00:26:56,320
Speaker 1: in that week. So whoever has to buy you can

551
00:26:56,400 --> 00:26:59,680
Speaker 1: interview that that first week after the season, and we

552
00:27:00,040 --> 00:27:03,240
Speaker 1: we weren't, you know, we weren't approved by the league

553
00:27:03,320 --> 00:27:05,560
Speaker 1: yet to get going, and so we weren't there was

554
00:27:05,600 --> 00:27:08,600
Speaker 1: a chance, you know, I was just I remember being

555
00:27:08,680 --> 00:27:15,240
Speaker 1: very nervous about, you know, the ability just to interview him,

556
00:27:15,400 --> 00:27:17,600
Speaker 1: because like do you wait through the Super Bowl or not?

557
00:27:19,200 --> 00:27:23,080
Speaker 1: And you know, the guys, you know, Chad Breaker in Tennessee,

558
00:27:23,760 --> 00:27:28,000
Speaker 1: Dan Morgan in Carolina, Rich McKay in Atlanta, they had

559
00:27:28,040 --> 00:27:32,680
Speaker 1: all interviewed him, and so you know, I had a

560
00:27:32,800 --> 00:27:36,320
Speaker 1: very close relationship with all those guys and they're like, man,

561
00:27:36,400 --> 00:27:40,040
Speaker 1: your personalities would be great, and he blew like, you know,

562
00:27:40,280 --> 00:27:44,080
Speaker 1: like he was amazing in the interview. You know, I

563
00:27:44,200 --> 00:27:48,000
Speaker 1: can't remember the Atlanta situation. You know, they hired raheem

564
00:27:48,080 --> 00:27:50,320
Speaker 1: pretty quick. There was a couple days where guys got

565
00:27:50,400 --> 00:27:53,440
Speaker 1: hired pretty quick. But you know, Carolina and Tennessee were

566
00:27:53,520 --> 00:27:57,720
Speaker 1: going offense, and so you know, we interviewed. It was

567
00:27:57,760 --> 00:27:59,920
Speaker 1: basically was going to come down to that championship week

568
00:28:01,000 --> 00:28:04,520
Speaker 1: and so we're either gonna I remember basically this is

569
00:28:04,600 --> 00:28:06,680
Speaker 1: so bad, but imember going to church basically praying on

570
00:28:06,840 --> 00:28:08,880
Speaker 1: like I really hope you Troy Losers and I hope

571
00:28:08,920 --> 00:28:11,840
Speaker 1: all more losers today the championship.

572
00:28:11,560 --> 00:28:14,320
Speaker 3: And they both did. I was like, oh, now I'm

573
00:28:14,320 --> 00:28:15,679
Speaker 3: gonna go talk to these guys and tell them all

574
00:28:15,800 --> 00:28:16,480
Speaker 3: hopefull they lost.

575
00:28:17,680 --> 00:28:20,119
Speaker 2: Is there a way to fix that, because, like, you know,

576
00:28:20,160 --> 00:28:22,800
Speaker 2: it's hard. It's hard because you've been in these situations

577
00:28:22,800 --> 00:28:25,600
Speaker 2: where you're making Super Bowl runs and you know you

578
00:28:25,720 --> 00:28:28,520
Speaker 2: want these guys to have success and financially changes their life,

579
00:28:28,560 --> 00:28:29,920
Speaker 2: but also it's like we're trying to win.

580
00:28:30,920 --> 00:28:31,080
Speaker 3: You know.

581
00:28:31,160 --> 00:28:33,159
Speaker 2: I don't know if there's a perfect answer for it.

582
00:28:33,280 --> 00:28:33,520
Speaker 2: Is there.

583
00:28:34,240 --> 00:28:34,880
Speaker 3: It really isn't.

584
00:28:35,240 --> 00:28:38,520
Speaker 1: We've discussed it over the years, league meetings, number of

585
00:28:38,920 --> 00:28:42,520
Speaker 1: committees that were involved in it really isn't a perfect

586
00:28:42,560 --> 00:28:44,400
Speaker 1: I mean I think we're constantly like like we do

587
00:28:44,560 --> 00:28:47,040
Speaker 1: every year We're constantly trying to tweak things to improve

588
00:28:47,080 --> 00:28:48,960
Speaker 1: the products. So I think that's something that you know,

589
00:28:49,040 --> 00:28:52,400
Speaker 1: we'll discuss as well. Was move forward, but yeah, you

590
00:28:52,440 --> 00:28:54,440
Speaker 1: know we went through with with Gus Bradley, you know,

591
00:28:54,640 --> 00:28:58,760
Speaker 1: Dan Cooyn, you know DQ. It's like, it's so interesting

592
00:28:58,800 --> 00:29:00,479
Speaker 1: because you're kind of helping guys, want to help them

593
00:29:00,520 --> 00:29:02,840
Speaker 1: get ready, and then you're playing in big time games,

594
00:29:02,880 --> 00:29:07,040
Speaker 1: you know, so and we I think you went straight

595
00:29:07,080 --> 00:29:08,040
Speaker 1: from here to Atlanta.

596
00:29:08,240 --> 00:29:08,440
Speaker 3: Yeah.

597
00:29:09,440 --> 00:29:12,840
Speaker 2: Yeah. Do you feel a different pressure now with Mike

598
00:29:13,680 --> 00:29:16,160
Speaker 2: given that you know, you're the veteran I mean literally

599
00:29:16,280 --> 00:29:17,920
Speaker 2: been in the league for a long long time and

600
00:29:18,280 --> 00:29:21,160
Speaker 2: he's young. It's almost flip flopped like with Pete and

601
00:29:21,240 --> 00:29:23,520
Speaker 2: you when you were on boarded I guess back in

602
00:29:23,520 --> 00:29:24,200
Speaker 2: twenty ten.

603
00:29:24,400 --> 00:29:30,760
Speaker 3: Wow, great question man, Yeah, yeah it was. Yeah, I

604
00:29:30,800 --> 00:29:33,160
Speaker 3: definitely feel like the older brother, much like Pete was

605
00:29:33,200 --> 00:29:33,400
Speaker 3: with me.

606
00:29:34,160 --> 00:29:38,840
Speaker 1: You know, I don't know if it's pressure, because where

607
00:29:38,880 --> 00:29:41,920
Speaker 1: every every day is a you know, you're just stacking

608
00:29:41,960 --> 00:29:44,880
Speaker 1: to get better every single day, so that hasn't changed,

609
00:29:45,960 --> 00:29:49,200
Speaker 1: but it's definitely more of a you know, I could

610
00:29:49,520 --> 00:29:52,760
Speaker 1: I could talk with you about you know, like studying

611
00:29:53,120 --> 00:29:55,440
Speaker 1: ratt to your point earlier like, yeah, wow, you gotta

612
00:29:55,440 --> 00:29:59,280
Speaker 1: have patience with quarterbacks. I was like, that was my

613
00:29:59,360 --> 00:30:01,760
Speaker 1: first explosion, you know, a big time NFL quarterback, Like

614
00:30:02,200 --> 00:30:05,560
Speaker 1: there was a lot of interceptions, you know, yeah, you know.

615
00:30:05,600 --> 00:30:09,240
Speaker 3: But just talking about that, and whereas Mike's like, Mike's

616
00:30:09,280 --> 00:30:11,080
Speaker 3: kind of like what was Brett Farblake?

617
00:30:11,120 --> 00:30:12,600
Speaker 1: You know, it's you know that sort of stuff. So

618
00:30:13,120 --> 00:30:16,240
Speaker 1: the experience is different, right, you know, like freaking ready

619
00:30:16,280 --> 00:30:19,400
Speaker 1: to draft for Russell Wilson here he was targeted, and

620
00:30:20,280 --> 00:30:21,880
Speaker 1: Pete and I are sitting on the phone, you know,

621
00:30:22,040 --> 00:30:25,640
Speaker 1: talking to you know, coach Grant about Frank Tartanon, you know,

622
00:30:25,800 --> 00:30:28,720
Speaker 1: like on the phone, like lack of height, you know,

623
00:30:28,960 --> 00:30:32,240
Speaker 1: great feet moving around. You know, It's like it's just different.

624
00:30:32,400 --> 00:30:36,520
Speaker 1: You know, Pete, Pete's twenty years older than me, and oh,

625
00:30:36,600 --> 00:30:39,960
Speaker 1: I say, well, Mike's thirty eight and I'm fifty four.

626
00:30:40,240 --> 00:30:43,280
Speaker 1: So you know, we went from having the you know,

627
00:30:44,040 --> 00:30:47,440
Speaker 1: a partner with Pete in all that experience to a

628
00:30:47,560 --> 00:30:51,080
Speaker 1: thirty eight year old guy's you know, brain's on fire

629
00:30:51,120 --> 00:30:55,680
Speaker 1: and it's just a really clear, intelligent communicator.

630
00:30:57,400 --> 00:31:00,440
Speaker 2: Clearly, a tough part of the league is, especially in

631
00:31:00,520 --> 00:31:02,200
Speaker 2: a program like yours, where you have a bunch of

632
00:31:02,320 --> 00:31:06,920
Speaker 2: success and have like legendary players, is either not extending

633
00:31:07,000 --> 00:31:10,880
Speaker 2: them cutting them, and you've had since you've been the GM.

634
00:31:11,040 --> 00:31:13,480
Speaker 2: I mean, it's just public because these guys are really famous.

635
00:31:13,920 --> 00:31:17,040
Speaker 2: But when Pete was there, it wasn't like good guy

636
00:31:17,120 --> 00:31:18,600
Speaker 2: bad guy. It was like you guys were kind of

637
00:31:18,640 --> 00:31:21,040
Speaker 2: lumped together. You know, Pete's pretty famous too, so it

638
00:31:21,160 --> 00:31:23,080
Speaker 2: was like it was just on both of you guys.

639
00:31:23,520 --> 00:31:26,200
Speaker 2: Does it feel more now that, like in a weird

640
00:31:26,280 --> 00:31:27,720
Speaker 2: way now you have a young I would say a

641
00:31:27,760 --> 00:31:30,000
Speaker 2: little bit of a younger team now, so ideally it

642
00:31:30,080 --> 00:31:32,600
Speaker 2: plays out where you have these tough decisions, but you

643
00:31:32,800 --> 00:31:34,840
Speaker 2: kind of take on the role as the bad guy

644
00:31:35,360 --> 00:31:37,520
Speaker 2: now in some of these tough situations because he's the

645
00:31:37,560 --> 00:31:40,400
Speaker 2: head coach or iss. Just have you even thought do

646
00:31:40,440 --> 00:31:42,680
Speaker 2: you think about it like that that's it?

647
00:31:42,920 --> 00:31:46,320
Speaker 1: No, Yes, I'd be lying if I said, it's just

648
00:31:46,800 --> 00:31:49,320
Speaker 1: this is the nature of our job, right, you know,

649
00:31:49,360 --> 00:31:50,840
Speaker 1: the head coaches to get up front the team every

650
00:31:50,880 --> 00:31:54,280
Speaker 1: single day, you know, and project that leadership. And I

651
00:31:54,320 --> 00:31:57,200
Speaker 1: got you back and then yeah, somebody, you know, somebody

652
00:31:57,280 --> 00:31:59,880
Speaker 1: has to be somebody has to be the parent.

653
00:32:00,040 --> 00:32:00,920
Speaker 3: You know. Somebody was just.

654
00:32:01,000 --> 00:32:02,600
Speaker 1: Asking me this the other day just a friend of

655
00:32:02,600 --> 00:32:03,920
Speaker 1: mine was asking about it, was like, do you feel

656
00:32:03,920 --> 00:32:06,920
Speaker 1: like the mom you know, I'm like, wow, that's interesting.

657
00:32:07,000 --> 00:32:08,160
Speaker 3: That's a interesting way to look at it.

658
00:32:08,320 --> 00:32:12,560
Speaker 1: Like, you know, at some point, you know, whether it's

659
00:32:12,640 --> 00:32:17,040
Speaker 1: negotiations or you know, rules or you know, the decisions

660
00:32:17,040 --> 00:32:21,880
Speaker 1: that we make, you know, it's somebody does have to

661
00:32:21,920 --> 00:32:24,200
Speaker 1: be you know, the bag out of your point and

662
00:32:25,160 --> 00:32:26,760
Speaker 1: that's the nature of this position.

663
00:32:27,040 --> 00:32:29,840
Speaker 3: And I don't I don't think that will ever change.

664
00:32:29,840 --> 00:32:33,240
Speaker 3: And you can't. You can't shy away from it. You know.

665
00:32:33,840 --> 00:32:36,280
Speaker 3: Mike talks about it like you know, going through, not around, like.

666
00:32:36,320 --> 00:32:38,240
Speaker 1: We're gonna go we go through it. So we attack

667
00:32:38,320 --> 00:32:40,959
Speaker 1: everything like head on, and I think it's a really

668
00:32:41,000 --> 00:32:42,600
Speaker 1: cool way to look at things. And we've always conduct

669
00:32:42,640 --> 00:32:46,200
Speaker 1: ourselves that way. So yeah, you know, keeping it honest,

670
00:32:46,360 --> 00:32:52,720
Speaker 1: keeping it real, that's that's the responsibility of a general manager.

671
00:32:52,840 --> 00:32:55,520
Speaker 2: And you know, you want to be.

672
00:32:55,520 --> 00:32:57,360
Speaker 1: Able to take as much off the head coach as

673
00:32:57,400 --> 00:33:00,920
Speaker 1: possible so that everything that's everything has put on the field.

674
00:33:01,280 --> 00:33:03,880
Speaker 3: The players were like, Okay, coach has my back.

675
00:33:04,640 --> 00:33:06,920
Speaker 1: You know, he's gonna teach us. I'm gonna get better.

676
00:33:07,480 --> 00:33:08,840
Speaker 1: We're all gonna have We're all gonna.

677
00:33:08,600 --> 00:33:11,760
Speaker 3: Have success together. And that's that really is. Like I said,

678
00:33:11,800 --> 00:33:14,520
Speaker 3: that's it's a cool partnership. But there's you know, there's

679
00:33:14,560 --> 00:33:17,120
Speaker 3: a there just to have this. You know, well you've

680
00:33:17,160 --> 00:33:18,680
Speaker 3: seen it. It's just this different roles.

681
00:33:19,440 --> 00:33:22,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think. I don't know if it was the

682
00:33:22,320 --> 00:33:24,360
Speaker 2: owners meetings or maybe it was at your pre draft

683
00:33:24,400 --> 00:33:26,360
Speaker 2: press conference where you just kind of came out because

684
00:33:26,360 --> 00:33:28,040
Speaker 2: you asked about the Geno trade and you said, hey,

685
00:33:28,080 --> 00:33:31,360
Speaker 2: we offered them money, like we tried to extend them.

686
00:33:31,880 --> 00:33:34,920
Speaker 2: And I was just thinking, like, would you ten years ago,

687
00:33:35,520 --> 00:33:38,240
Speaker 2: would you have been that candid and in that situation

688
00:33:38,600 --> 00:33:41,880
Speaker 2: or just kind of played the GM cliche role. Is

689
00:33:41,920 --> 00:33:44,160
Speaker 2: it safe to say, I mean this in a good way,

690
00:33:44,240 --> 00:33:47,160
Speaker 2: like you give a shit level of like worrying about everything.

691
00:33:47,800 --> 00:33:50,040
Speaker 2: You have more confidence now you've done this longer where

692
00:33:50,080 --> 00:33:52,280
Speaker 2: it's easier to be open about a situation like that.

693
00:33:52,800 --> 00:33:54,480
Speaker 2: Or is that something that you would have been pretty

694
00:33:54,520 --> 00:33:56,560
Speaker 2: transparent with no matter what, because you're like, we like

695
00:33:56,680 --> 00:33:58,760
Speaker 2: this player. I mean that was the reason we signed him,

696
00:33:59,120 --> 00:34:01,360
Speaker 2: you know, I didn't try to just trade them for

697
00:34:01,400 --> 00:34:02,600
Speaker 2: a third round pick for the hell of it.

698
00:34:03,200 --> 00:34:09,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think, Yeah, it's basically i'd you describe it

699
00:34:09,880 --> 00:34:14,120
Speaker 1: like any job, your confidence level is gonna just by

700
00:34:14,120 --> 00:34:16,520
Speaker 1: the nature of your different experiences that you put together

701
00:34:16,520 --> 00:34:19,680
Speaker 1: over the years, you're gonna have your confidence level is

702
00:34:19,680 --> 00:34:24,480
Speaker 1: going to improve. There's there's no question about that. But yeah,

703
00:34:24,480 --> 00:34:26,480
Speaker 1: I think, you know, one of one of the coolest

704
00:34:26,520 --> 00:34:29,560
Speaker 1: things that I learned from Ted Thoms and got rest

705
00:34:29,680 --> 00:34:33,120
Speaker 1: soul and Marty Schottenheimer got rest his soul as well,

706
00:34:33,360 --> 00:34:36,960
Speaker 1: was that that how you treat players.

707
00:34:37,040 --> 00:34:39,719
Speaker 3: Both those guys were like nowadays, will be.

708
00:34:39,760 --> 00:34:43,000
Speaker 1: Your like fifty third player every year, worrying about making

709
00:34:43,040 --> 00:34:49,200
Speaker 1: the team, really good special teams players. So how you

710
00:34:49,360 --> 00:34:52,200
Speaker 1: treat especially something that I never had, like anywhere near

711
00:34:52,320 --> 00:34:55,200
Speaker 1: the opportunity to play in the National Football League, how

712
00:34:55,280 --> 00:35:02,600
Speaker 1: you treat the players with like clear on and integrity

713
00:35:02,719 --> 00:35:05,360
Speaker 1: and understanding like what they're truly going through and what

714
00:35:05,480 --> 00:35:08,239
Speaker 1: the what the locker room it's going to look like.

715
00:35:08,360 --> 00:35:10,200
Speaker 3: So I think that the experience I had with.

716
00:35:10,280 --> 00:35:12,520
Speaker 1: Ted and Mary really helped me in terms of, like,

717
00:35:14,040 --> 00:35:15,840
Speaker 1: you're not always going to like what you hear, but

718
00:35:15,960 --> 00:35:19,160
Speaker 1: you're going to hear the truth. And we can disagree

719
00:35:19,360 --> 00:35:25,279
Speaker 1: on on whatever we're discussing, but I'm not gonna be

720
00:35:25,400 --> 00:35:26,719
Speaker 1: sitting here just trying to yes.

721
00:35:26,840 --> 00:35:30,160
Speaker 2: Yet, You've been pretty open with the DK situation too,

722
00:35:30,239 --> 00:35:33,520
Speaker 2: about the lines of communication. You know, his unhappiness. You

723
00:35:33,640 --> 00:35:35,360
Speaker 2: were honest with where you stood with it. You know,

724
00:35:35,400 --> 00:35:38,040
Speaker 2: you're talking about a third contract. Guy. Do you think

725
00:35:38,160 --> 00:35:40,520
Speaker 2: looking back at some of your situations, you know, whether

726
00:35:40,560 --> 00:35:42,960
Speaker 2: it's with Shirm or Bobby Wagner, goes guys over the

727
00:35:43,040 --> 00:35:46,120
Speaker 2: years make those situations easier for you to handle, because

728
00:35:46,160 --> 00:35:50,080
Speaker 2: it feels like that trade and that situation was relatively seamless,

729
00:35:50,120 --> 00:35:52,920
Speaker 2: at least for the outside for you guys with I mean,

730
00:35:53,080 --> 00:35:54,640
Speaker 2: I would say, I mean, you've had a lot of

731
00:35:54,680 --> 00:35:56,440
Speaker 2: good draft picks in your career. That's got to be

732
00:35:56,600 --> 00:35:58,279
Speaker 2: up there near the top. I mean, this was a

733
00:35:58,360 --> 00:36:01,200
Speaker 2: pretty integral player for were you and one of you

734
00:36:01,440 --> 00:36:03,520
Speaker 2: crowning achievements as a GM drafting a guy in the

735
00:36:03,600 --> 00:36:05,960
Speaker 2: late second who who? What do you have twenty eight

736
00:36:06,000 --> 00:36:08,120
Speaker 2: touchdowns for through his first three years of his career

737
00:36:08,239 --> 00:36:08,560
Speaker 2: or something?

738
00:36:09,280 --> 00:36:09,480
Speaker 3: Yeah?

739
00:36:10,920 --> 00:36:15,319
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, every every situation, every individual is very

740
00:36:15,360 --> 00:36:20,040
Speaker 1: different and you can learn from you know, there's there's

741
00:36:20,040 --> 00:36:25,160
Speaker 1: situations that we've been through that for one reason or another.

742
00:36:25,239 --> 00:36:27,279
Speaker 1: The community lines of communication get jacked up or the

743
00:36:27,360 --> 00:36:30,040
Speaker 1: timing is offered. You know, we've had several players that

744
00:36:30,800 --> 00:36:38,120
Speaker 1: that represent themselves, you know, Russell Locoon, Sum Bobby. For

745
00:36:38,200 --> 00:36:39,600
Speaker 1: a while there, I felt like we were the testing

746
00:36:39,920 --> 00:36:40,480
Speaker 1: ground for that.

747
00:36:40,600 --> 00:36:43,879
Speaker 3: You know. Uh, those those are those are always really

748
00:36:43,880 --> 00:36:44,920
Speaker 3: difficult situations.

749
00:36:45,000 --> 00:36:47,560
Speaker 2: And so is is that you and him asking like

750
00:36:47,680 --> 00:36:50,120
Speaker 2: he's just peppering you with questions about his contract and

751
00:36:50,239 --> 00:36:52,920
Speaker 2: you are talking like he would do an agent or

752
00:36:53,040 --> 00:36:54,800
Speaker 2: do you have to massage that one a little different?

753
00:36:55,239 --> 00:36:55,759
Speaker 3: Yeah, you have to.

754
00:36:55,960 --> 00:36:57,719
Speaker 1: You have to massage it a little different because like,

755
00:36:58,040 --> 00:37:03,759
Speaker 1: no matter what you're you know, agents, you know they

756
00:37:03,840 --> 00:37:06,560
Speaker 1: have there's a there's a buffer there, and it helps.

757
00:37:06,960 --> 00:37:10,680
Speaker 3: It helps with you know a certain level of communication

758
00:37:10,800 --> 00:37:13,120
Speaker 3: that goes into the seriousness of these talks.

759
00:37:13,160 --> 00:37:16,759
Speaker 1: And so you're when you're when you're you're constantly trying

760
00:37:16,800 --> 00:37:20,560
Speaker 1: to adjust the way you're speaking because you're you know,

761
00:37:20,880 --> 00:37:23,359
Speaker 1: like these are all like we've all been through negotiations.

762
00:37:23,440 --> 00:37:26,320
Speaker 1: It's it gets really personal and you can say it's not,

763
00:37:26,480 --> 00:37:27,200
Speaker 1: but really it is.

764
00:37:27,520 --> 00:37:27,759
Speaker 3: It is.

765
00:37:28,640 --> 00:37:33,239
Speaker 1: And so uh, in regards to d K, you know,

766
00:37:33,480 --> 00:37:37,000
Speaker 1: he we had a ton of conversations last off season

767
00:37:38,239 --> 00:37:41,520
Speaker 1: about you know, like his his his legacy.

768
00:37:41,680 --> 00:37:44,680
Speaker 3: Where he wanted to go, he stayed. You know, he

769
00:37:45,000 --> 00:37:45,799
Speaker 3: wanted to be here.

770
00:37:46,280 --> 00:37:48,120
Speaker 1: Once he met the new coach's staff, he was excited.

771
00:37:49,320 --> 00:37:52,919
Speaker 1: And then you know, this year it just happened again.

772
00:37:53,040 --> 00:37:55,839
Speaker 1: You can't change the way people think. As much as

773
00:37:56,719 --> 00:37:58,359
Speaker 1: we love him and we want to have him here,

774
00:37:59,320 --> 00:38:01,480
Speaker 1: you know, when when when people want to leave, it's

775
00:38:01,560 --> 00:38:06,120
Speaker 1: it's difficult to try to convince them to stay. So yeah,

776
00:38:06,160 --> 00:38:10,440
Speaker 1: we just had you know, very honest communication, like for

777
00:38:11,560 --> 00:38:14,680
Speaker 1: probably about a month and a half, and I asked

778
00:38:14,760 --> 00:38:16,239
Speaker 1: him to take some time and think on it, and

779
00:38:16,320 --> 00:38:17,719
Speaker 1: then he did.

780
00:38:17,760 --> 00:38:19,160
Speaker 3: And then by the time we got to the to

781
00:38:19,280 --> 00:38:21,040
Speaker 3: the UH to the combine.

782
00:38:21,920 --> 00:38:25,080
Speaker 1: I say that in regards to like Bobby and Sherman Russell,

783
00:38:25,400 --> 00:38:28,600
Speaker 1: because I had that relationship with him, so I was

784
00:38:28,640 --> 00:38:31,320
Speaker 1: speaking more to him than I was his agent. And

785
00:38:31,400 --> 00:38:35,080
Speaker 1: so once we got back from the combine, we had

786
00:38:35,160 --> 00:38:39,600
Speaker 1: another real open talk and then we just we told

787
00:38:39,680 --> 00:38:42,839
Speaker 1: him we were in. We would we would we would,

788
00:38:43,040 --> 00:38:47,400
Speaker 1: you know, concede to his wishes and and UH, no promises,

789
00:38:47,480 --> 00:38:51,200
Speaker 1: but we'll see where it goes. And Pittsburgh, Omar and

790
00:38:51,440 --> 00:38:52,640
Speaker 1: those guys are really aggressive.

791
00:38:53,600 --> 00:38:55,759
Speaker 2: Do you ever get numb or or do you feel

792
00:38:55,840 --> 00:38:58,279
Speaker 2: numb to the amount of money as a GM y're

793
00:38:58,400 --> 00:39:02,320
Speaker 2: negotiating with, you know, just to these player contracts, I

794
00:39:02,320 --> 00:39:05,560
Speaker 2: would imagine you deal with coaching contracts too, where you know,

795
00:39:05,600 --> 00:39:07,560
Speaker 2: when you first got to Green Bay, I what did

796
00:39:07,640 --> 00:39:10,040
Speaker 2: what did Reggie sign for three four million dollars a year?

797
00:39:10,040 --> 00:39:10,719
Speaker 2: It couldn't have been much.

798
00:39:10,800 --> 00:39:12,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was like it was a total of I

799
00:39:12,360 --> 00:39:15,360
Speaker 1: think they had twenty four million dollars like like in

800
00:39:15,440 --> 00:39:17,560
Speaker 1: their coffers, and I think they gave him fourteen of

801
00:39:17,640 --> 00:39:18,440
Speaker 1: it or seventeen of it.

802
00:39:18,480 --> 00:39:21,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, right, Yeah, that was.

803
00:39:21,000 --> 00:39:23,440
Speaker 2: Like that's a that's like a Cooper Cup signing bonus. Now.

804
00:39:25,239 --> 00:39:28,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I've tried to.

805
00:39:30,040 --> 00:39:33,480
Speaker 1: I've tried to surround myself with younger talented guys like

806
00:39:33,600 --> 00:39:37,320
Speaker 1: Joey Lane does our cap for US now, and so

807
00:39:38,480 --> 00:39:43,680
Speaker 1: you know, he's like, okay, yeah, ten million dollars, this

808
00:39:43,719 --> 00:39:45,120
Speaker 1: is what it means, John. And then it's like, okay,

809
00:39:45,280 --> 00:39:49,560
Speaker 1: they can show me like every every every position and

810
00:39:49,640 --> 00:39:52,239
Speaker 1: that helps me. But yes, you're right, it's like whoa.

811
00:39:52,480 --> 00:39:52,839
Speaker 3: And then.

812
00:39:54,360 --> 00:39:56,480
Speaker 1: When I see the you know, when I see like

813
00:39:56,480 --> 00:40:00,200
Speaker 1: the baseball contracts and NBA contracts, Yeah, floored. You know

814
00:40:00,280 --> 00:40:03,680
Speaker 1: our ownership group. Jody owns the Blazers. You know too,

815
00:40:03,800 --> 00:40:07,160
Speaker 1: mister Roland, you know Random Blazers. And I was always

816
00:40:07,160 --> 00:40:10,280
Speaker 1: pepper those guys in their gms about like the guaranteed

817
00:40:10,320 --> 00:40:14,279
Speaker 1: money like that just it flures me. But hey, at

818
00:40:14,280 --> 00:40:15,920
Speaker 1: the end of the day, it's it's it's entertainment, right,

819
00:40:15,960 --> 00:40:18,360
Speaker 1: It's entertainment business and we're all blessed to be a

820
00:40:18,440 --> 00:40:18,719
Speaker 1: part of it.

821
00:40:19,520 --> 00:40:22,480
Speaker 2: Okay, A couple of quick scouting questions for you, Sam Donald.

822
00:40:23,000 --> 00:40:25,400
Speaker 2: You guys sign him obviously, the connection with your new

823
00:40:25,440 --> 00:40:28,719
Speaker 2: offensive coordinator Kubiak, who's with Kyle and they were with him.

824
00:40:29,800 --> 00:40:31,920
Speaker 2: Do you go back like how much do you rely

825
00:40:32,120 --> 00:40:33,040
Speaker 2: on him coming out?

826
00:40:33,719 --> 00:40:33,839
Speaker 3: Uh?

827
00:40:33,960 --> 00:40:36,560
Speaker 2: The information is that more character based, play based and

828
00:40:36,600 --> 00:40:38,960
Speaker 2: then evaluating the play over the course of his career

829
00:40:39,080 --> 00:40:41,960
Speaker 2: and how Sam Donald ended up as this starting quarterback

830
00:40:42,000 --> 00:40:42,840
Speaker 2: for the Seattle Seahawks.

831
00:40:45,200 --> 00:40:49,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, really just preparing for you know what that period

832
00:40:49,040 --> 00:40:53,400
Speaker 1: of time right around the Senior Bowl and the combine

833
00:40:53,520 --> 00:40:56,160
Speaker 1: is really like a preparation for like what's the landscape

834
00:40:56,200 --> 00:40:59,680
Speaker 1: can to look like and how quickly can we pivot?

835
00:40:59,800 --> 00:41:03,080
Speaker 1: So you know, if if if if things are going

836
00:41:03,080 --> 00:41:07,799
Speaker 1: a certain way with the negotiation, how do we how

837
00:41:07,840 --> 00:41:10,080
Speaker 1: do we pivot, So getting everybody on the same page.

838
00:41:10,120 --> 00:41:13,239
Speaker 1: Still relying on Coobs for sure, like the experience you

839
00:41:13,280 --> 00:41:17,680
Speaker 1: had with Sam Kevin O'Connell. Uh, you know a professional

840
00:41:17,719 --> 00:41:21,279
Speaker 1: friend of mine. Uh, you know Ryan Grigson is is

841
00:41:21,360 --> 00:41:25,120
Speaker 1: there now to Minnesota, Rob Brazinski. You're relying on on

842
00:41:25,400 --> 00:41:28,280
Speaker 1: our contacts and like the character, the character, the leader,

843
00:41:28,760 --> 00:41:30,960
Speaker 1: everybody's coached him over the years and then watching his

844
00:41:31,080 --> 00:41:34,520
Speaker 1: progression and watching him improve. You know, we don't have

845
00:41:34,640 --> 00:41:37,520
Speaker 1: NFL Europe anymore, and so these guys they just you know,

846
00:41:37,640 --> 00:41:39,839
Speaker 1: the twos and threes then't they don't you don't they

847
00:41:39,840 --> 00:41:41,080
Speaker 1: don't get the reps they used.

848
00:41:40,960 --> 00:41:44,400
Speaker 3: To and uh, you know, we don't have as much

849
00:41:44,440 --> 00:41:46,520
Speaker 3: time with them to develop these guys, and so.

850
00:41:48,320 --> 00:41:51,960
Speaker 1: Talking to everybody, you know that it's the same thing

851
00:41:52,000 --> 00:41:54,000
Speaker 1: with Gino, like all the coaches that have coached them,

852
00:41:54,160 --> 00:41:56,319
Speaker 1: like like contacts over the years, like talking to them

853
00:41:56,320 --> 00:41:58,759
Speaker 1: about how he's he's improving, he's proven this area, he's

854
00:41:58,760 --> 00:42:01,719
Speaker 1: improving that area. And then to put that on film too,

855
00:42:01,840 --> 00:42:04,320
Speaker 1: to study as a group, you know, to have like

856
00:42:04,560 --> 00:42:08,080
Speaker 1: you know, sit down with with Coobs and the offensive

857
00:42:08,120 --> 00:42:10,960
Speaker 1: staff and Mike and uh, you know, work through the

858
00:42:11,400 --> 00:42:16,000
Speaker 1: UH process of evaluating his progress and and and what

859
00:42:16,160 --> 00:42:17,600
Speaker 1: that looks like and can we help him?

860
00:42:17,600 --> 00:42:17,920
Speaker 3: Can we not?

861
00:42:18,160 --> 00:42:22,040
Speaker 1: So Yeah, it's all It all goes in all like

862
00:42:22,480 --> 00:42:24,600
Speaker 1: all the character, all the background that we've you know,

863
00:42:25,200 --> 00:42:28,120
Speaker 1: learned over the years from you know, from my friend

864
00:42:28,239 --> 00:42:30,399
Speaker 1: like Fit and you know Scott Fitter and Dan Morgan,

865
00:42:30,440 --> 00:42:32,320
Speaker 1: those guys in Carolina, and then you know all the

866
00:42:32,360 --> 00:42:33,360
Speaker 1: coaches have been around.

867
00:42:33,160 --> 00:42:35,960
Speaker 3: Them with the Jets and then coops you know in

868
00:42:37,280 --> 00:42:38,759
Speaker 3: in UH in San Francisco.

869
00:42:39,719 --> 00:42:41,840
Speaker 2: Well, Gino and Sam I think are good examples, like

870
00:42:42,160 --> 00:42:44,239
Speaker 2: everything you've ever heard about him, great guy, great guy,

871
00:42:44,320 --> 00:42:46,200
Speaker 2: great guy. And I'm sure you hear that when you're

872
00:42:46,200 --> 00:42:48,960
Speaker 2: scouting a player like that or from other places. But

873
00:42:49,239 --> 00:42:52,080
Speaker 2: like when you're gonna sign a guy you extended gene

874
00:42:52,200 --> 00:42:54,280
Speaker 2: or first signed him, I guess as the backup originally,

875
00:42:54,360 --> 00:42:57,560
Speaker 2: but Sam as your starter. At what point do you go? Okay?

876
00:42:57,880 --> 00:43:00,839
Speaker 2: I got fifteen people telling me like, I feel really

877
00:43:00,920 --> 00:43:04,040
Speaker 2: good about bringing this individual because you can't just go off. Hey,

878
00:43:04,320 --> 00:43:07,360
Speaker 2: Middlcoff told me he spent the weekend with them. Awesome, dude, Like,

879
00:43:08,040 --> 00:43:10,240
Speaker 2: you know, there has to be some sort of lines,

880
00:43:10,280 --> 00:43:11,040
Speaker 2: like we're good with this.

881
00:43:11,760 --> 00:43:14,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's where you know, that's that's where you know

882
00:43:14,200 --> 00:43:16,440
Speaker 1: we made some of our biggest mistakes is just not

883
00:43:18,080 --> 00:43:21,040
Speaker 1: taking as much time, you know as we possibly we

884
00:43:21,120 --> 00:43:24,560
Speaker 1: should with all the contacts that we have, right and

885
00:43:24,640 --> 00:43:26,719
Speaker 1: so have we covered all our bases of and we

886
00:43:27,120 --> 00:43:30,200
Speaker 1: have we checked all the boxes and making sure.

887
00:43:30,040 --> 00:43:30,480
Speaker 3: That we're.

888
00:43:31,960 --> 00:43:35,360
Speaker 1: We're we're signing and we're signing the appropriate person for

889
00:43:35,440 --> 00:43:37,560
Speaker 1: our building because we we think we have a we

890
00:43:37,680 --> 00:43:40,239
Speaker 1: love our we love the people, whether it's you know,

891
00:43:40,239 --> 00:43:44,000
Speaker 1: our equipment, staff, video, our training, our sports science groups amazing,

892
00:43:44,080 --> 00:43:46,320
Speaker 1: So how can we take care of these people and

893
00:43:48,120 --> 00:43:49,759
Speaker 1: are we going to be able to support them? And

894
00:43:49,880 --> 00:43:52,600
Speaker 1: so that that's really the bottom line with it, and

895
00:43:52,920 --> 00:43:55,840
Speaker 1: just where he's where he's been going seeing him, you know,

896
00:43:56,400 --> 00:44:00,120
Speaker 1: having the having Koops Clinton, you know, with him in

897
00:44:00,200 --> 00:44:01,440
Speaker 1: a very very similar system.

898
00:44:02,600 --> 00:44:04,960
Speaker 3: It's it's hands on. So yeah, it's it's it's all

899
00:44:05,000 --> 00:44:05,160
Speaker 3: of it.

900
00:44:05,800 --> 00:44:08,479
Speaker 2: Okay, A couple of quick draft questions you draft is able?

901
00:44:08,560 --> 00:44:11,799
Speaker 2: The North Dakota State offensive lineman uh felt like there

902
00:44:11,880 --> 00:44:13,920
Speaker 2: was a lot of buzz those last couple of weeks

903
00:44:14,040 --> 00:44:15,799
Speaker 2: where you get hurt, to get nervous, like way too

904
00:44:15,840 --> 00:44:17,359
Speaker 2: many people are talking about this guy.

905
00:44:17,880 --> 00:44:21,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, we better drafted were get kicked out of here?

906
00:44:21,200 --> 00:44:23,799
Speaker 3: You know? No, yeah, we were.

907
00:44:24,080 --> 00:44:26,200
Speaker 1: You know, we had heard, we had heard whispers about Dallas.

908
00:44:26,360 --> 00:44:29,160
Speaker 1: You know, I think Dallas was twelve right in there,

909
00:44:29,280 --> 00:44:32,440
Speaker 1: twelve or twelve or fourteen there and so.

910
00:44:32,760 --> 00:44:34,640
Speaker 3: Twelve twelve okay. Yeah, so.

911
00:44:36,800 --> 00:44:39,960
Speaker 1: You know when once Booker was like whoa, okay, so

912
00:44:40,200 --> 00:44:42,719
Speaker 1: now it's going to start coming towards us. So yeah,

913
00:44:42,719 --> 00:44:45,360
Speaker 1: we'd floorded with going back a little bit. We definitely

914
00:44:45,560 --> 00:44:47,840
Speaker 1: really wanted to pick a couple of times in the

915
00:44:47,840 --> 00:44:51,600
Speaker 1: second round. We really liked the second third round this year.

916
00:44:53,080 --> 00:44:56,239
Speaker 1: So yeah, once to your point, once Booker was taken,

917
00:44:56,760 --> 00:45:00,040
Speaker 1: you know, we decided like, okay, like we can't. I

918
00:45:00,200 --> 00:45:02,319
Speaker 1: want to say, Minnesota was twenty four or twenty five,

919
00:45:03,000 --> 00:45:05,000
Speaker 1: so you're like, we can't get you past you know

920
00:45:05,120 --> 00:45:07,840
Speaker 1: that area. As we had we kind of felt like

921
00:45:07,840 --> 00:45:08,760
Speaker 1: they would be looking for offense.

922
00:45:09,480 --> 00:45:12,719
Speaker 2: Well, is there a point where you have to get

923
00:45:12,760 --> 00:45:15,840
Speaker 2: to to feel comfortable with a smaller school player drafting

924
00:45:15,920 --> 00:45:19,320
Speaker 2: him really high North Dakota State, you could argue borderline

925
00:45:19,400 --> 00:45:22,160
Speaker 2: like Boise State or something. So it's not like tiny tiny,

926
00:45:22,280 --> 00:45:24,920
Speaker 2: but it's the relative to Bama, Georgia, Ohio State that

927
00:45:24,960 --> 00:45:25,839
Speaker 2: it's definitely a gap.

928
00:45:26,920 --> 00:45:27,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's like.

929
00:45:27,680 --> 00:45:30,080
Speaker 1: Jim Naggy in the Senior Bowl experience, right, like seeing

930
00:45:30,160 --> 00:45:33,359
Speaker 1: him down there and being able to watch him dreg

931
00:45:33,560 --> 00:45:37,719
Speaker 1: talking about now like jumping in stealing reps left guard,

932
00:45:37,840 --> 00:45:38,880
Speaker 1: right guard, center.

933
00:45:38,960 --> 00:45:39,359
Speaker 3: Right tap.

934
00:45:39,400 --> 00:45:42,239
Speaker 1: I mean he was like just like if any of

935
00:45:42,239 --> 00:45:45,680
Speaker 1: those offensive linemen were like like just chilling in those drills,

936
00:45:45,719 --> 00:45:49,919
Speaker 1: he was jumping ahead of them, excuse me, and trying

937
00:45:49,960 --> 00:45:52,719
Speaker 1: to steal their reps. So watching him watching you can

938
00:45:52,760 --> 00:45:55,120
Speaker 1: see him compete against you know, that's a big time

939
00:45:55,120 --> 00:45:57,759
Speaker 1: you know, like to your point, yeah, defensive lineman. The

940
00:45:58,000 --> 00:46:02,480
Speaker 1: defensive line group was outstanding down there too, So that's

941
00:46:02,520 --> 00:46:04,719
Speaker 1: where you know the comfort level. And then just knowing that,

942
00:46:05,440 --> 00:46:07,719
Speaker 1: you know, like their championship team, I think you know,

943
00:46:07,800 --> 00:46:10,839
Speaker 1: all those guys were like start our starters in the NFL. Now,

944
00:46:10,960 --> 00:46:14,719
Speaker 1: so yeah, at at you know, seeing the background in

945
00:46:14,719 --> 00:46:17,640
Speaker 1: the history they're taught real well there and uh yeah,

946
00:46:17,719 --> 00:46:20,480
Speaker 1: being able to have that Senior bal experience first hand

947
00:46:20,640 --> 00:46:24,080
Speaker 1: is really impressive. And then you know Matt berry And

948
00:46:24,760 --> 00:46:27,920
Speaker 1: is an offensive line expert here Steve Hutchinson, you know,

949
00:46:28,480 --> 00:46:30,920
Speaker 1: you know, a Hall of Famer has been working with US,

950
00:46:31,440 --> 00:46:33,960
Speaker 1: So having those guys at their comfort level as well

951
00:46:35,239 --> 00:46:37,719
Speaker 1: and then having the coaches behind was was was huge

952
00:46:37,760 --> 00:46:38,000
Speaker 1: for US.

953
00:46:38,800 --> 00:46:42,560
Speaker 2: Uh Em and Warrior your second round pick. You know,

954
00:46:42,640 --> 00:46:45,279
Speaker 2: I don't want to compare them to DK, but I

955
00:46:45,320 --> 00:46:49,680
Speaker 2: mean athletically six three two, twenty four, three eight forty three,

956
00:46:49,760 --> 00:46:53,560
Speaker 2: invert twenty reps. DK got him there twenty seven, but

957
00:46:53,640 --> 00:46:56,560
Speaker 2: similar just the the explosion. I mean, got to be

958
00:46:56,600 --> 00:46:59,080
Speaker 2: one of the better athletes you've ever drafted in your career.

959
00:47:00,719 --> 00:47:02,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, DK, Yeah, that's a really good point. DK.

960
00:47:02,760 --> 00:47:05,840
Speaker 1: And you know, the numbers are ridiculous with Nick. You know,

961
00:47:05,960 --> 00:47:09,279
Speaker 1: I remember I think we were we had left. I

962
00:47:09,360 --> 00:47:11,000
Speaker 1: had to go do something the combine. So we had

963
00:47:11,120 --> 00:47:15,160
Speaker 1: left at Dome and we were at a coffee shop

964
00:47:15,280 --> 00:47:16,600
Speaker 1: or something, and you know, they had they had a

965
00:47:16,640 --> 00:47:19,920
Speaker 1: combine on there and he read and I was like, they.

966
00:47:19,920 --> 00:47:21,759
Speaker 3: Showed his testing numbers. I was like, I was looking

967
00:47:21,840 --> 00:47:23,520
Speaker 3: up that I was meeting with. I was meeting with

968
00:47:23,520 --> 00:47:25,719
Speaker 3: an agent down there, and I was like, well, there

969
00:47:25,760 --> 00:47:29,960
Speaker 3: he goes. We won't be able to draft down you know. So, yeah,

970
00:47:30,280 --> 00:47:31,640
Speaker 3: the numbers were crazy, and he's.

971
00:47:31,480 --> 00:47:34,319
Speaker 1: So young, you know, That's the thing, like twenty one,

972
00:47:35,440 --> 00:47:38,200
Speaker 1: you know, like three years really playing. They didn't know

973
00:47:38,480 --> 00:47:40,720
Speaker 1: if they were going to play him at linebacker or safety.

974
00:47:41,560 --> 00:47:43,440
Speaker 1: At South Carolina, he goes there, they throw him in,

975
00:47:44,040 --> 00:47:46,800
Speaker 1: you know, with the safety group, they lose two starters,

976
00:47:46,880 --> 00:47:49,279
Speaker 1: like first quarter, first half of the first game, and

977
00:47:50,200 --> 00:47:52,719
Speaker 1: he's here, he goes he's starting, and it's really like

978
00:47:52,880 --> 00:47:53,799
Speaker 1: that those three years ago.

979
00:47:53,920 --> 00:47:55,719
Speaker 3: Quick. I mean, I know you you probably felt like

980
00:47:55,760 --> 00:47:58,040
Speaker 3: that scouting too, like how fast that goes?

981
00:47:59,480 --> 00:48:02,600
Speaker 2: Uh, Jalen Milroe. If you just watched that first half

982
00:48:02,640 --> 00:48:04,879
Speaker 2: against Georgia, I remember sitting on my couch that night game,

983
00:48:05,719 --> 00:48:07,200
Speaker 2: you could have argued he was the best player in

984
00:48:07,239 --> 00:48:09,719
Speaker 2: the country. I mean, so the he's shown in the

985
00:48:09,800 --> 00:48:12,960
Speaker 2: highest level, brightest lights. Obviously he's had you know, a

986
00:48:13,440 --> 00:48:15,840
Speaker 2: coaching change, a lot, a lot of moving parts, but

987
00:48:16,320 --> 00:48:18,920
Speaker 2: the highlight plays. And again, you didn't draft him tenth overall.

988
00:48:18,920 --> 00:48:20,800
Speaker 2: I mean, this is a third round pick. From a

989
00:48:20,880 --> 00:48:25,040
Speaker 2: character standpoint, everyone seems to like him, freak athlete. That

990
00:48:25,280 --> 00:48:27,840
Speaker 2: the process of evaluating him when he came on to

991
00:48:27,880 --> 00:48:30,959
Speaker 2: your radar and how that played out, yeah, uh.

992
00:48:32,560 --> 00:48:32,799
Speaker 3: No one.

993
00:48:32,840 --> 00:48:35,360
Speaker 1: And I saw him play live at we flew in

994
00:48:35,440 --> 00:48:38,360
Speaker 1: Madison and saw him play there and it was it

995
00:48:38,440 --> 00:48:40,120
Speaker 1: was very impressive. You know, first of all, when you

996
00:48:40,120 --> 00:48:42,320
Speaker 1: see him in first and you know, oh, this guys,

997
00:48:43,400 --> 00:48:45,120
Speaker 1: this is the guy I running twenty two miles an

998
00:48:45,120 --> 00:48:45,600
Speaker 1: hour right here.

999
00:48:45,840 --> 00:48:49,040
Speaker 3: That guy. You know, he's a he's a physical specimen.

1000
00:48:50,800 --> 00:48:53,640
Speaker 1: But to be able to watch him interact with his teammates,

1001
00:48:54,520 --> 00:48:57,880
Speaker 1: you know, how he conducted himself on the sidelines, interact

1002
00:48:57,920 --> 00:49:01,600
Speaker 1: with the coaches, and then all the different people that

1003
00:49:01,680 --> 00:49:04,839
Speaker 1: have coached him over the years, getting their insight, their

1004
00:49:04,880 --> 00:49:09,680
Speaker 1: input about the work ethic. And that's really what stands

1005
00:49:09,719 --> 00:49:11,160
Speaker 1: out when you're seeing somebody.

1006
00:49:10,960 --> 00:49:15,120
Speaker 3: Like this, you know. And I go back to Brett again,

1007
00:49:15,320 --> 00:49:18,040
Speaker 3: because Brett was like they had those wow throws and

1008
00:49:18,080 --> 00:49:19,120
Speaker 3: then those woe throws.

1009
00:49:19,719 --> 00:49:23,000
Speaker 1: You're like, whoa, whoa, that was amazing or no, no, no, yes,

1010
00:49:23,320 --> 00:49:26,200
Speaker 1: nice throw, you know what I mean. But like there

1011
00:49:26,280 --> 00:49:28,160
Speaker 1: was a little bit that with with with Jalen as well,

1012
00:49:28,680 --> 00:49:31,000
Speaker 1: and then Brett's work ethic. You know, I'm sure you've

1013
00:49:31,000 --> 00:49:33,279
Speaker 1: seen those videos where he didn't know what a nickel

1014
00:49:33,320 --> 00:49:35,080
Speaker 1: defense was, didn't know what a dime defense was.

1015
00:49:35,640 --> 00:49:36,480
Speaker 3: It was just a baller.

1016
00:49:37,200 --> 00:49:41,560
Speaker 1: And but the work ethic on Brett was huge, and

1017
00:49:41,640 --> 00:49:45,919
Speaker 1: the competitor, and so you know, I hate like those

1018
00:49:46,080 --> 00:49:48,520
Speaker 1: you know, comparing the talent levels and all that kind

1019
00:49:48,520 --> 00:49:50,800
Speaker 1: of stuff, but like the makeup of the person.

1020
00:49:51,640 --> 00:49:54,000
Speaker 3: We had him out here on a you know, a

1021
00:49:54,080 --> 00:49:57,120
Speaker 3: thirty visit Jalen, and he really impressed everybody.

1022
00:49:57,560 --> 00:50:00,560
Speaker 1: And uh and I'm talking like, like I said, like

1023
00:50:00,680 --> 00:50:04,440
Speaker 1: our player development people, the equipment people, our cafeteria, the

1024
00:50:04,480 --> 00:50:05,440
Speaker 1: people in the cafeteria.

1025
00:50:06,000 --> 00:50:11,240
Speaker 3: Everybody loved the person and and then the competitor.

1026
00:50:11,280 --> 00:50:13,560
Speaker 1: And now we can see it out here. Excuse me

1027
00:50:13,640 --> 00:50:16,000
Speaker 1: as his work ethics outstanding. You know, he's here at

1028
00:50:16,160 --> 00:50:18,040
Speaker 1: six o'clock leaving at seven. You know what I mean,

1029
00:50:18,080 --> 00:50:20,520
Speaker 1: He's just he is whatever he said about about the worker.

1030
00:50:20,560 --> 00:50:23,279
Speaker 1: And then you know the he's been throwing the ball

1031
00:50:23,360 --> 00:50:23,759
Speaker 1: real well.

1032
00:50:23,960 --> 00:50:27,040
Speaker 3: And then uh, by the way he can take off

1033
00:50:27,080 --> 00:50:29,200
Speaker 3: and score from like seventy yards. You know, wow that

1034
00:50:29,360 --> 00:50:32,279
Speaker 3: just happened. That game, that game that you're talking about,

1035
00:50:33,080 --> 00:50:36,400
Speaker 3: did that really? What a crazy game? Right? Like?

1036
00:50:36,800 --> 00:50:39,840
Speaker 2: Wow, that that was wild. It's and it's not like

1037
00:50:39,920 --> 00:50:42,200
Speaker 2: Georgia has me and you playing on defense. I mean,

1038
00:50:42,680 --> 00:50:45,279
Speaker 2: they got they got some uh I mean, but back

1039
00:50:45,320 --> 00:50:48,239
Speaker 2: to the Darnald. The character of the maturity factoring that

1040
00:50:48,400 --> 00:50:50,120
Speaker 2: in when you're gonna pull the trigger on taking a

1041
00:50:50,160 --> 00:50:53,680
Speaker 2: guy on the second day of the draft coming from Alabama. Yeah,

1042
00:50:53,719 --> 00:50:56,640
Speaker 2: the conversations, how did you factor that?

1043
00:50:57,560 --> 00:50:59,640
Speaker 1: It was like here he is, this is the spot

1044
00:50:59,680 --> 00:51:02,239
Speaker 1: where these are these are the we're sticking with our

1045
00:51:02,280 --> 00:51:04,800
Speaker 1: board and then you know, we have the buy in

1046
00:51:05,920 --> 00:51:08,840
Speaker 1: and here we go, like he doesn't have to to

1047
00:51:08,880 --> 00:51:09,600
Speaker 1: start like day one.

1048
00:51:09,680 --> 00:51:11,319
Speaker 3: Guys, like you know what I mean, like every every

1049
00:51:11,480 --> 00:51:14,080
Speaker 3: knows that going in we have a plan, right and

1050
00:51:14,360 --> 00:51:16,280
Speaker 3: uh so being able.

1051
00:51:16,160 --> 00:51:18,040
Speaker 1: To be comfortable with that, Okay, this is where he is,

1052
00:51:18,200 --> 00:51:21,640
Speaker 1: This is where we feel comfortable drafting him, and you

1053
00:51:21,719 --> 00:51:24,240
Speaker 1: know the these are the positions we want to hit first,

1054
00:51:24,400 --> 00:51:26,920
Speaker 1: you know, and then uh yeah, it's interesting when you

1055
00:51:26,960 --> 00:51:30,319
Speaker 1: bring up Nick. You know Nick like I don't want

1056
00:51:30,320 --> 00:51:31,880
Speaker 1: to say ran him down the other day in practice,

1057
00:51:31,960 --> 00:51:35,600
Speaker 1: but Nick was flying across the field and kind of

1058
00:51:36,080 --> 00:51:37,440
Speaker 1: shoved them out of bounds a little bit, you know,

1059
00:51:37,520 --> 00:51:38,960
Speaker 1: didn't shove them for the NFL p A.

1060
00:51:39,120 --> 00:51:40,080
Speaker 3: It wasn't even shove them.

1061
00:51:42,239 --> 00:51:45,440
Speaker 1: Over there and tapped him right, and uh but uh,

1062
00:51:46,800 --> 00:51:50,520
Speaker 1: our our TV coach Jeff Howard's like we've seen that

1063
00:51:50,960 --> 00:51:53,080
Speaker 1: because we literally like Nick was the only guy we

1064
00:51:53,200 --> 00:51:56,160
Speaker 1: saw run him down in college, like you couldn't find

1065
00:51:56,160 --> 00:51:57,040
Speaker 1: anybody catching.

1066
00:51:56,920 --> 00:51:59,960
Speaker 3: Him, and uh so it's just like when you want

1067
00:52:00,200 --> 00:52:02,600
Speaker 3: the take off, you're like, it's just shocking, you know.

1068
00:52:03,360 --> 00:52:05,520
Speaker 2: So it's safe to say Seattle's got a little faster

1069
00:52:05,800 --> 00:52:07,160
Speaker 2: in this draft for those two guys.

1070
00:52:07,640 --> 00:52:12,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah. It wasn't like a it

1071
00:52:12,480 --> 00:52:14,279
Speaker 1: wasn't like a what we need to get faster thing.

1072
00:52:14,360 --> 00:52:17,360
Speaker 1: It was like, here they are and they're good players.

1073
00:52:17,400 --> 00:52:18,160
Speaker 3: We love the upside.

1074
00:52:18,800 --> 00:52:21,680
Speaker 2: Okay, I know you're a busy man because I don't

1075
00:52:21,680 --> 00:52:23,239
Speaker 2: know you run an NFL team, So I'll get you

1076
00:52:23,280 --> 00:52:25,640
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1077
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1079
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1080
00:52:36,760 --> 00:52:39,200
Speaker 2: old self some advice when you were getting hired by

1081
00:52:39,320 --> 00:52:41,880
Speaker 2: Ron Wolf and going to what turned out to be

1082
00:52:41,920 --> 00:52:44,640
Speaker 2: a legendary run with the Green Bay Packers to the

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00:52:44,800 --> 00:52:47,520
Speaker 2: Super Bowl winning GM that you're sitting here right now,

1084
00:52:47,960 --> 00:52:51,800
Speaker 2: what would you tell a young, hungry, bright eyed, and

1085
00:52:51,840 --> 00:52:53,160
Speaker 2: bushy tailed John Schneider.

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00:52:53,520 --> 00:52:59,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, uh, have some patience, man, Go down, Go down.

1087
00:52:59,200 --> 00:53:02,840
Speaker 1: Give yourself some great you know, and uh, you know,

1088
00:53:03,880 --> 00:53:09,000
Speaker 1: like easy to say say now, right, but we all

1089
00:53:09,080 --> 00:53:10,200
Speaker 1: have goals and ambition.

1090
00:53:10,800 --> 00:53:10,960
Speaker 3: You know.

1091
00:53:11,080 --> 00:53:14,600
Speaker 1: It's like wow, just like sitting small of roses sometimes,

1092
00:53:14,640 --> 00:53:19,839
Speaker 1: you know, and and yeah, that's that's just the patience, right,

1093
00:53:19,960 --> 00:53:23,160
Speaker 1: like things are God's got you. Things gonna happen, Things

1094
00:53:23,160 --> 00:53:25,400
Speaker 1: are gonna happen for you for a reason. You know,

1095
00:53:25,560 --> 00:53:29,080
Speaker 1: just have some patience and yeah, I think things are

1096
00:53:29,120 --> 00:53:30,239
Speaker 1: gonna things are gonna go your way.

1097
00:53:32,200 --> 00:53:33,919
Speaker 2: Were you headed this summer anywhere? Fun?

1098
00:53:35,520 --> 00:53:37,439
Speaker 3: My niece is getting married in Florence. Yeah.

1099
00:53:38,960 --> 00:53:41,759
Speaker 1: Yeah, Yeah, it's a big family trip. Yeah, so it's

1100
00:53:41,760 --> 00:53:43,480
Speaker 1: gonna be it's gonna be exciting. I can you go

1101
00:53:43,560 --> 00:53:49,600
Speaker 1: see some family in Wisconsin, some family and friends and yeah,

1102
00:53:50,080 --> 00:53:51,920
Speaker 1: being here at this time of the year is like

1103
00:53:52,239 --> 00:53:55,920
Speaker 1: when the sun valley. No, it's it's gorgeous water, like

1104
00:53:56,840 --> 00:54:03,239
Speaker 1: we'll here, Uh, I can't, can I flip it?

1105
00:54:04,760 --> 00:54:06,160
Speaker 3: I was like this, I don't know if you can

1106
00:54:06,200 --> 00:54:06,480
Speaker 3: see that.

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00:54:07,560 --> 00:54:11,600
Speaker 2: It's a decent office. You look at that, you know,

1108
00:54:11,719 --> 00:54:12,040
Speaker 2: and then you.

1109
00:54:12,040 --> 00:54:13,640
Speaker 1: Got to remind yourself of that when it when it

1110
00:54:13,680 --> 00:54:16,080
Speaker 1: gets dark it's like three thirty in November, you know,

1111
00:54:17,040 --> 00:54:17,200
Speaker 1: is that.

1112
00:54:17,280 --> 00:54:19,200
Speaker 2: The office you were. You told the story when you

1113
00:54:19,280 --> 00:54:20,960
Speaker 2: were going to get the job that you were promised

1114
00:54:21,000 --> 00:54:23,720
Speaker 2: the overlooking and then Pete took it. Did you steal

1115
00:54:23,760 --> 00:54:24,719
Speaker 2: that office back or.

1116
00:54:24,760 --> 00:54:25,960
Speaker 4: Is that yeah?

1117
00:54:26,040 --> 00:54:28,400
Speaker 3: We we ended up we ended up switching after what

1118
00:54:28,480 --> 00:54:30,360
Speaker 3: how many years? Right, like we ripped all the carpet

1119
00:54:30,440 --> 00:54:33,240
Speaker 3: up in here and like, yeah, we like made the change.

1120
00:54:33,560 --> 00:54:34,440
Speaker 3: Tim Rusko was.

1121
00:54:34,480 --> 00:54:37,200
Speaker 1: Down here and coach Holmbron was at the other end,

1122
00:54:37,360 --> 00:54:41,640
Speaker 1: and uh yeah, the guy who was giving me the tours, Like, well,

1123
00:54:41,719 --> 00:54:43,120
Speaker 1: you know, Coach Omberon actually has.

1124
00:54:43,040 --> 00:54:45,960
Speaker 3: A really cool office. It's huge. Yeah, I don't need

1125
00:54:46,000 --> 00:54:48,319
Speaker 3: a shower that you know. An it was a six

1126
00:54:48,400 --> 00:54:50,200
Speaker 3: y five coach Homebren, you know what I mean.

1127
00:54:50,320 --> 00:54:52,800
Speaker 1: Like but it was it was going keeping nice to

1128
00:54:52,880 --> 00:54:55,320
Speaker 1: joke about all the time. It's like, wait a second,

1129
00:54:56,080 --> 00:54:58,800
Speaker 1: I think this was the one. So but yeah, so

1130
00:54:59,080 --> 00:55:02,480
Speaker 1: this is the this is unportionately like looks over the

1131
00:55:02,560 --> 00:55:04,520
Speaker 1: water and then the other ones that look over the field.

1132
00:55:04,520 --> 00:55:07,480
Speaker 3: But you can still see the water here, but it's

1133
00:55:07,560 --> 00:55:08,560
Speaker 3: this is a beautiful area.

1134
00:55:09,160 --> 00:55:11,200
Speaker 2: That's awesome. Well thanks a lot, John. I can't I

1135
00:55:11,280 --> 00:55:13,640
Speaker 2: can't tell you how much I appreciate your time and

1136
00:55:13,760 --> 00:55:16,000
Speaker 2: how much I've just admired you from AFAR.

1137
00:55:15,920 --> 00:55:18,279
Speaker 3: So we'll say, good job with all the stuff you're doing. Man,

1138
00:55:18,320 --> 00:55:19,439
Speaker 3: it's fun listening to you. Guys.

1139
00:55:20,560 --> 00:55:23,040
Speaker 2: We'll have a great summer and we'll talk soon for sure.

1140
00:55:23,520 --> 00:55:25,600
Speaker 2: Appreciate you, man, have a great summer.

1141
00:55:26,160 --> 00:55:30,799
Speaker 5: See John blending Vice's signature dynamic storytelling with the high

1142
00:55:30,840 --> 00:55:34,279
Speaker 5: octane world of sports. Vice Sports brings an exciting and

1143
00:55:34,360 --> 00:55:37,239
Speaker 5: diverse range of programming that goes beyond the game, catch

1144
00:55:37,320 --> 00:55:41,759
Speaker 5: action packed live events, and exclusive sports documentaries and profiles

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1146
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Speaker 2: Well that didn't suck that I I can't that was

1147
00:55:49,600 --> 00:55:52,120
Speaker 2: that was awesome. Two things though, before we get out

1148
00:55:52,160 --> 00:55:55,560
Speaker 2: of here, really stood out to me about John. Observing

1149
00:55:55,680 --> 00:55:58,799
Speaker 2: him from a distance for a long long time, He's

1150
00:55:58,840 --> 00:56:01,200
Speaker 2: always come off I say it like a little different

1151
00:56:01,560 --> 00:56:05,040
Speaker 2: in the sense of he's not trying to have like

1152
00:56:05,120 --> 00:56:10,719
Speaker 2: corporate speak or worried about like looking and acting like

1153
00:56:10,800 --> 00:56:14,120
Speaker 2: the perfect GM. He just feels like a very authentic guy.

1154
00:56:15,200 --> 00:56:19,279
Speaker 2: And obviously, when you have success in the position, it's

1155
00:56:19,440 --> 00:56:23,960
Speaker 2: easier to do that than maybe your first month on

1156
00:56:24,080 --> 00:56:29,120
Speaker 2: the job. But I do think it's important the reason

1157
00:56:29,280 --> 00:56:34,000
Speaker 2: you become who you became when someone hires you for

1158
00:56:34,440 --> 00:56:37,200
Speaker 2: a big gig, whether that's in the NFL or that's

1159
00:56:37,239 --> 00:56:40,400
Speaker 2: someone listening right now they just got a promotion. Wherever

1160
00:56:40,480 --> 00:56:43,120
Speaker 2: they work, it's because of who you are and what

1161
00:56:43,239 --> 00:56:46,320
Speaker 2: you've done. And I think sometimes especially in these public

1162
00:56:46,400 --> 00:56:49,279
Speaker 2: facing jobs like being a GM or being a head coach,

1163
00:56:49,440 --> 00:56:51,960
Speaker 2: or you know, in the corporate world, being a CEO

1164
00:56:52,840 --> 00:56:57,040
Speaker 2: or even some sort of management position, people just start

1165
00:56:57,120 --> 00:57:00,680
Speaker 2: talking like they think that it's spoke to sound like.

1166
00:57:01,160 --> 00:57:04,080
Speaker 2: I don't know James Gladstone at all. I've never heard

1167
00:57:04,080 --> 00:57:07,040
Speaker 2: anything bad about him, but the reason he got so

1168
00:57:08,160 --> 00:57:12,239
Speaker 2: heavily I would say laughed at during the Travis Hunter

1169
00:57:12,640 --> 00:57:16,360
Speaker 2: draft that like couple day period because it felt like

1170
00:57:16,440 --> 00:57:18,919
Speaker 2: he was talking like someone would want you to talk

1171
00:57:19,720 --> 00:57:23,520
Speaker 2: if you ran like Apple or you ran Facebook or something,

1172
00:57:24,400 --> 00:57:26,600
Speaker 2: you know, and it's like, is this how you actually talking?

1173
00:57:26,720 --> 00:57:31,040
Speaker 2: And maybe it is. But when I watch Watch and

1174
00:57:31,440 --> 00:57:35,240
Speaker 2: Talk and just listen to John, he talks and comes

1175
00:57:35,320 --> 00:57:38,480
Speaker 2: off like he does with me, like he does in

1176
00:57:38,560 --> 00:57:41,000
Speaker 2: a draft press conference, like he did ten years ago

1177
00:57:41,120 --> 00:57:44,200
Speaker 2: when he was side by side in the peak of

1178
00:57:44,320 --> 00:57:48,040
Speaker 2: Legion of Boom's powers. And I think that's a quality.

1179
00:57:48,720 --> 00:57:49,920
Speaker 2: You know, it's hard. I mean, you got to be

1180
00:57:49,960 --> 00:57:53,720
Speaker 2: self assured you got to have some success. But I

1181
00:57:54,120 --> 00:57:56,360
Speaker 2: think when you can stay true to who you are,

1182
00:57:57,600 --> 00:58:01,880
Speaker 2: that is a very very powerful quote for success. And

1183
00:58:02,000 --> 00:58:06,160
Speaker 2: the other thing is typically when you get hired in

1184
00:58:06,280 --> 00:58:10,360
Speaker 2: a big job, it's for a specific skill that you

1185
00:58:10,640 --> 00:58:15,680
Speaker 2: have shown that you have in the bag, right, whatever

1186
00:58:15,760 --> 00:58:19,160
Speaker 2: industry it may be. And in football, John Schneider once

1187
00:58:19,240 --> 00:58:22,200
Speaker 2: upon a time got hired with Pete Carroll in twenty

1188
00:58:22,360 --> 00:58:26,160
Speaker 2: ten because people thought highly of him as a scout,

1189
00:58:26,840 --> 00:58:30,280
Speaker 2: like this guy can evaluate players, he knows what it

1190
00:58:30,320 --> 00:58:34,840
Speaker 2: looks like, he can pick him and his ability to

1191
00:58:35,760 --> 00:58:39,000
Speaker 2: evaluate who can play and who can't play is what

1192
00:58:39,160 --> 00:58:41,160
Speaker 2: separated him over the course of his young career. I

1193
00:58:41,200 --> 00:58:43,680
Speaker 2: mean he got hired at thirty eight years old, and

1194
00:58:43,760 --> 00:58:47,000
Speaker 2: he talked about in that interview like I love going

1195
00:58:47,080 --> 00:58:49,200
Speaker 2: to watch college players and I can't tell you how

1196
00:58:49,240 --> 00:58:53,000
Speaker 2: many times my friends have been at a game. I

1197
00:58:53,120 --> 00:58:55,240
Speaker 2: remember a couple of years ago, like when Will Levis

1198
00:58:55,400 --> 00:58:57,959
Speaker 2: was coming out, and at one point in time, people

1199
00:58:57,960 --> 00:58:59,720
Speaker 2: thought Will Levis might be like, I don't know, number

1200
00:58:59,720 --> 00:59:02,080
Speaker 2: one over pick and then it was clear as last

1201
00:59:02,160 --> 00:59:05,320
Speaker 2: year got a little weird and obviously he shouldn't have

1202
00:59:05,360 --> 00:59:07,920
Speaker 2: been the number one overall pick. But John Snider was

1203
00:59:07,960 --> 00:59:11,480
Speaker 2: just like a Kentucky game. Why because he wanted to

1204
00:59:11,520 --> 00:59:15,320
Speaker 2: see the top player or potentially And he still goes

1205
00:59:15,360 --> 00:59:18,600
Speaker 2: to all these games. And he didn't get hired because

1206
00:59:19,960 --> 00:59:23,600
Speaker 2: he was a lawyer and a dominant negotiator. He got

1207
00:59:23,680 --> 00:59:26,840
Speaker 2: hired because he can watch football players and tell you

1208
00:59:26,880 --> 00:59:30,160
Speaker 2: who and who can't play. And ultimately that's his I mean,

1209
00:59:30,200 --> 00:59:32,000
Speaker 2: he has a lot of different hats as a GM,

1210
00:59:32,920 --> 00:59:35,400
Speaker 2: but his job, his number one job, the way that

1211
00:59:35,520 --> 00:59:41,360
Speaker 2: we all evaluate him on, especially his ownership and the

1212
00:59:41,480 --> 00:59:44,920
Speaker 2: fan base. And I'm sure he does a great job

1213
00:59:44,960 --> 00:59:46,560
Speaker 2: of because I've never heard a bad thing, like how

1214
00:59:46,600 --> 00:59:50,200
Speaker 2: he interacts with the cafeteria people, how he interacts with

1215
00:59:50,280 --> 00:59:52,320
Speaker 2: the coaching staff, Like all that shit matters when you're

1216
00:59:52,360 --> 00:59:54,600
Speaker 2: the GM. But it's like, can you pick good players?

1217
00:59:55,040 --> 00:59:58,400
Speaker 2: Can you build a team that consistently wins? And even

1218
00:59:58,400 --> 01:00:01,520
Speaker 2: the last couple of years, like Seattle's been a little

1219
01:00:01,560 --> 01:00:03,360
Speaker 2: out of the mix, it feels like they went nine

1220
01:00:03,400 --> 01:00:07,439
Speaker 2: and eight, nine and eight, ten and seven, So even

1221
01:00:07,480 --> 01:00:11,680
Speaker 2: their weird low points aren't really that low. Imagine what

1222
01:00:11,840 --> 01:00:15,480
Speaker 2: like the New York Giants would do. John Morrow would

1223
01:00:15,520 --> 01:00:17,960
Speaker 2: sell his like left leg to be like, yeah, our

1224
01:00:17,960 --> 01:00:22,200
Speaker 2: shitty years are ten and seven missed the playoffs, but

1225
01:00:22,320 --> 01:00:24,480
Speaker 2: he knows that any state because it's easy to be like, hey,

1226
01:00:24,560 --> 01:00:27,880
Speaker 2: I don't really want to do this. Do I really

1227
01:00:27,920 --> 01:00:32,360
Speaker 2: want to go watch South Carolina play Georgia when I've

1228
01:00:32,400 --> 01:00:35,120
Speaker 2: been grinding my ass off during the week family stuff,

1229
01:00:35,920 --> 01:00:37,840
Speaker 2: and then you know, do I want to go out

1230
01:00:37,880 --> 01:00:39,720
Speaker 2: a day early from the team to make sure that

1231
01:00:39,800 --> 01:00:42,600
Speaker 2: I make that game, or even I fly out with

1232
01:00:42,600 --> 01:00:45,440
Speaker 2: the team because we're playing the Atlanta Falcons and I

1233
01:00:45,560 --> 01:00:49,240
Speaker 2: immediately get into a car and drive to Georgia to

1234
01:00:49,360 --> 01:00:51,800
Speaker 2: watch this game at eight o'clock at night? Like is

1235
01:00:51,840 --> 01:00:55,000
Speaker 2: that what I want to do? Because I'll promise you

1236
01:00:55,040 --> 01:00:56,560
Speaker 2: that some gms are like, nah, I'm not doing that.

1237
01:00:56,800 --> 01:00:59,120
Speaker 2: It's going to my hotel room, have a snack, get

1238
01:00:59,200 --> 01:01:01,000
Speaker 2: a workout, and hang out, watch some games on TV.

1239
01:01:02,600 --> 01:01:06,560
Speaker 2: That fucking guy's at the games. I mean, I don't

1240
01:01:06,560 --> 01:01:11,080
Speaker 2: think it's random that he's successful. Like anything, you have

1241
01:01:11,320 --> 01:01:15,080
Speaker 2: to work at your craft, and that would be a

1242
01:01:15,160 --> 01:01:19,120
Speaker 2: position once you start managing all these things to be like, yeah,

1243
01:01:19,120 --> 01:01:22,720
Speaker 2: I don't need to do as much as I once did, right,

1244
01:01:23,080 --> 01:01:25,120
Speaker 2: especially now, Like at one point in time when he

1245
01:01:25,160 --> 01:01:28,040
Speaker 2: first got hired. Pete was the boss. John was working

1246
01:01:28,120 --> 01:01:33,360
Speaker 2: for Pete like the Mike McDonald John Schneider related, like

1247
01:01:33,440 --> 01:01:36,000
Speaker 2: John's one of the more powerful guys in the NFL,

1248
01:01:37,400 --> 01:01:41,520
Speaker 2: and rightfully so, he's earned that, but he could He

1249
01:01:41,600 --> 01:01:44,800
Speaker 2: doesn't have to go to college games, does not have

1250
01:01:44,960 --> 01:01:47,280
Speaker 2: to do that. I mean, I can't tell you how

1251
01:01:47,320 --> 01:01:52,680
Speaker 2: many people like I posted a pick yesterday, uh just

1252
01:01:52,840 --> 01:01:56,520
Speaker 2: like you know on Twitter and Instagram, and I had

1253
01:01:56,520 --> 01:01:59,840
Speaker 2: a couple buddies that are like aspiring gms shoot me

1254
01:02:00,120 --> 01:02:03,760
Speaker 2: X messages, like guy's a badass. I want to be

1255
01:02:03,920 --> 01:02:07,400
Speaker 2: like that guy, be myself, not worry about the bs,

1256
01:02:09,000 --> 01:02:12,360
Speaker 2: and just do the damn job that we all liked

1257
01:02:12,640 --> 01:02:15,440
Speaker 2: and loved doing. You know, John Schnyder got into this

1258
01:02:15,880 --> 01:02:20,280
Speaker 2: role in this job in the nineties when obviously the

1259
01:02:20,440 --> 01:02:26,360
Speaker 2: NFL was big. But GM's making ten million dollars. The

1260
01:02:26,440 --> 01:02:28,920
Speaker 2: highest paid coach probably back then was making a million dollars.

1261
01:02:29,920 --> 01:02:32,400
Speaker 2: It wasn't about the money and the fame. That's why

1262
01:02:32,440 --> 01:02:35,240
Speaker 2: I think like Belichick and Pete, Carroll and the Hardball brothers.

1263
01:02:35,280 --> 01:02:39,520
Speaker 2: I mean, these guys got involved in football when there

1264
01:02:39,640 --> 01:02:42,040
Speaker 2: was Andy Reid's first coaching job probably paid him like

1265
01:02:42,880 --> 01:02:46,600
Speaker 2: five hundred dollars a month. You know, they got into

1266
01:02:46,760 --> 01:02:51,080
Speaker 2: for the game because they love football, not they didn't

1267
01:02:51,120 --> 01:02:54,800
Speaker 2: love what football provided, the money, the fame, and I

1268
01:02:54,840 --> 01:02:56,600
Speaker 2: think it's rare that you're able to kind of keep

1269
01:02:56,680 --> 01:03:00,240
Speaker 2: those kind of roots, and it does feel like he's

1270
01:03:00,240 --> 01:03:04,560
Speaker 2: able to do that. So, like I said, I think

1271
01:03:04,640 --> 01:03:07,960
Speaker 2: highly of him From AFAR, It's gonna be hard for

1272
01:03:08,080 --> 01:03:11,160
Speaker 2: me not to root for John Schneider to keep having success.

1273
01:03:12,040 --> 01:03:14,400
Speaker 2: You come on my podcast, you aren't a fan, especially

1274
01:03:14,440 --> 01:03:16,520
Speaker 2: if you give me a lot of time and are

1275
01:03:16,560 --> 01:03:21,280
Speaker 2: coolest shit. So hopefully he enjoys the summer and hopefully

1276
01:03:21,320 --> 01:03:22,880
Speaker 2: you guys enjoyed the interview.

1277
01:03:26,520 --> 01:03:27,160
Speaker 1: The volume