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Speaker 1: The Book of Joe podcast is a production of iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: Hey Aaron, welcome back.

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Speaker 1: You have found once again the Book of Joe Podcast

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Speaker 1: with me, Tom Berducci and Joe Madden and Joe, we're

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Speaker 1: getting late in the baseball season. You know how I

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Speaker 1: can tell we're getting down to fewer games. How's that

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Speaker 1: the way managers run games a little more urgency?

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Speaker 2: Right now?

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Speaker 1: You know about this, you know it's time to start

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Speaker 1: worrying about load management and those things are past, and

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Speaker 1: specifically about bullpen usage.

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Speaker 2: And it's interesting to me.

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Speaker 1: I look at both the Cleveland Guardians and the Milwaukee

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Speaker 1: Brewers to the biggest I think surprises of this baseball season,

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Speaker 1: and they actually have the two best bullpens in Major

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Speaker 1: League Baseball, and they actually have managers who are first

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Speaker 1: year managers. And I know Pat Murphy had a little

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Speaker 1: run intern manager with the Padres, but first year with

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Speaker 1: team this year in Milwaukee. And of course Stephen Vote

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Speaker 1: in Cleveland. So I'm watching the Guardians playing the Yankees,

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Speaker 1: and last week Vote used his closer, Emmanuel class A,

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Speaker 1: four days in a row, which I didn't even know

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Speaker 1: was still legal in Major League Baseball.

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Speaker 2: But good on him.

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Speaker 1: Because Class only threw forty three pitches in those four

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Speaker 1: he used his closer for two innings for the first

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Speaker 1: time this year. First of all, that's how efficient Class

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Speaker 1: A is. They did not win the game while Class

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Speaker 1: his bullpen did the job again with five shutout innings.

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Speaker 1: Tell me what you see, Joe, as we get to

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Speaker 1: this time of year with bullpens where.

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Speaker 2: You may ask a little bit more out of your

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's great observation on your point. Of course, the

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Speaker 3: bullpen they run the show. For me, that's the biggest

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Speaker 3: part of the manager's day. The lineup is okay. You know,

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Speaker 3: you make your line up, You look at different information,

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Speaker 3: never really thought there was I don't know if there's

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Speaker 3: so much too much credit given to that. Sometimes the

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Speaker 3: only thing I was worried about with lineups was protection,

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Speaker 3: lineups are one thing bullpens are completely different. That was

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Speaker 4: Me more consternation than anything.

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Speaker 3: So waking up doing my lineup and then post lineup,

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Speaker 4: And how we match this thing up.

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Speaker 3: That's the most important thing I think a manager does today.

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Speaker 3: He's got to talk to the media a couple times.

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Speaker 3: Of course, he talks to his players, not on them,

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Speaker 3: You know, when it comes to actual defensive strategy, the

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Speaker 4: He came in and talk to me the one day

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Speaker 3: But the third day sometimes I feel even better than

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Speaker 4: Something there that's the important to me. A number of

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Speaker 3: And I don't know that that's given enough player or

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Speaker 4: And you know's there's all a lot made of.

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Speaker 3: So we backed off, but I did tell him listen,

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Speaker 3: So we built into that. But there's so much going

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Speaker 3: that's how I feel about the bullpen and the bullpen

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and I think especially as we get to the playoffs.

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Speaker 1: I know they don't slug a whole lot. I know

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Speaker 1: I know, looking at winning percentage is not the greatest

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Speaker 3: you know, Voter. Voter's got a got a real good

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Speaker 3: Carl's there, right, Willis is still there as a pitchy coach, right, yes, Carl,

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Speaker 3: the truth, Willis. I'll tell you a story about him

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Speaker 3: At anytime I wanted to Edmonton, he'd pitched well and

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Speaker 3: when I when I actually wasn't love Carl. The truth

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Speaker 3: willis so yeah, there's a lot going on there. And

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Speaker 3: then you can't discount one thing for sure, talent. They

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you made a great point about the talent because

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Speaker 1: And you think, well, they're getting overused, right, Well, not really,

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Speaker 1: But I don't get the sense that those bullpens are overworked.

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Speaker 2: Joeys a manager, it's a Scott's Service has.

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Speaker 1: Got a team that's leaking oil. With the Seattle Mariners.

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Speaker 1: Oh toany Betts Freeman. Give Scott's service credit because he

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Speaker 1: As they said, the team has really scuffled for the

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Speaker 1: You bring in your closer and he gives up to

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Speaker 1: Service did everything right in that situation. That team has

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Speaker 1: On the splits, Joe, I mean, just anecdotally looking at

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Speaker 3: You know, Randy Choke would have never pitched their hardy

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Speaker 1: Hey, we also know it's getting late in a baseball

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Speaker 1: Let's face it, I think he's the leader right now.

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Speaker 1: Hey, Joe, I mean the idea that you know, a DH,

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Speaker 4: Because show hey, he just sets that whole thing up.

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Speaker 3: We'll take our gloves out in the field. Don't bring gears.

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Speaker 3: We know you're going to pitch for us in the future,

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Speaker 3: on defense. I don't know that if you measure these

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Speaker 3: These other guys don't with their teams. So yeah, I

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Speaker 1: I like your answer because the one word was impact,

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Speaker 2: People just don't like changing their minds, you know that.

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Speaker 1: So I try to keep an open mind and not say, hey,

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Speaker 3: in and of itself, his talent level is so oppressive

433
00:20:32,158 --> 00:20:34,878
Speaker 3: that the fact that he's going to be engaged every

434
00:20:34,998 --> 00:20:38,598
Speaker 3: day that the Dodgers winning a pennant, going to the playoffs,

435
00:20:38,638 --> 00:20:42,438
Speaker 3: winning a World Series. He's tasted that on a different

436
00:20:42,718 --> 00:20:45,958
Speaker 3: stag or level with the WBC win, and now he

437
00:20:46,038 --> 00:20:48,198
Speaker 3: wants it here. That's why he went to the Dodgers.

438
00:20:48,198 --> 00:20:49,758
Speaker 4: That's why he wanted to be with the team that

439
00:20:49,798 --> 00:20:52,518
Speaker 4: had a chance to win. And he's got it.

440
00:20:52,598 --> 00:20:54,558
Speaker 3: So I think he's gonna get you know, if there's anything,

441
00:20:54,598 --> 00:20:57,158
Speaker 3: he's gonna play even better down the stretch, if that's

442
00:20:57,158 --> 00:20:59,918
Speaker 3: even possible. He just got to just stay away from

443
00:20:59,958 --> 00:21:02,398
Speaker 3: the injury bug, and this guy is going to show you.

444
00:21:02,398 --> 00:21:04,478
Speaker 4: Wow when it really matters.

445
00:21:04,598 --> 00:21:06,838
Speaker 3: There's the guy's got a slow heartbeats, one of the

446
00:21:06,838 --> 00:21:10,078
Speaker 3: slowest I've ever been around. He's able to find a

447
00:21:10,198 --> 00:21:13,678
Speaker 3: joy in some very difficult moments. He loves playing the game.

448
00:21:13,798 --> 00:21:16,798
Speaker 3: So for all those different reasons, I think he's actually

449
00:21:16,798 --> 00:21:18,318
Speaker 3: going to play better for the rest of the year

450
00:21:18,358 --> 00:21:19,358
Speaker 3: and into the playoffs.

451
00:21:19,638 --> 00:21:22,678
Speaker 1: Yeah, I would say the door is opened slightly. He

452
00:21:22,718 --> 00:21:25,838
Speaker 1: hasn't locked it away yet. You know one thing that

453
00:21:25,958 --> 00:21:28,558
Speaker 1: keeps that door open a little bit. Runners in scoring position.

454
00:21:28,638 --> 00:21:31,158
Speaker 1: He's hitting two twenty one, and he has not hit

455
00:21:31,238 --> 00:21:33,638
Speaker 1: left handers this year. He's thinking two sixty eight with

456
00:21:33,758 --> 00:21:35,558
Speaker 1: just a three point thirty on base percentage.

457
00:21:36,598 --> 00:21:37,878
Speaker 2: Nitpicking, I get it.

458
00:21:38,118 --> 00:21:41,398
Speaker 1: The point is just that if someone has a huge September,

459
00:21:41,718 --> 00:21:46,118
Speaker 1: say Harper, Marte lindor especially one of those three, maybe Ozuna,

460
00:21:46,238 --> 00:21:49,478
Speaker 1: we'll see what happens. But I think he is your

461
00:21:49,558 --> 00:21:52,518
Speaker 1: leader in the clubhouse at this point, with a good

462
00:21:52,558 --> 00:21:57,518
Speaker 1: five weeks to go left in the season. Speaking of stars, Joe,

463
00:21:58,158 --> 00:22:00,398
Speaker 1: I kind of imagine you were probably a big fan

464
00:22:00,478 --> 00:22:01,838
Speaker 1: of Hollywood Squares.

465
00:22:02,918 --> 00:22:05,358
Speaker 4: Of course, George Goebel, Come on.

466
00:22:05,478 --> 00:22:09,158
Speaker 2: Well, of course there weren't people like George Goebel.

467
00:22:09,198 --> 00:22:11,838
Speaker 1: I had no idea who they were other than they

468
00:22:11,878 --> 00:22:14,038
Speaker 1: were famous for being on Hollywood Squares.

469
00:22:14,358 --> 00:22:16,798
Speaker 4: Paul In, paul In the Best Center Square.

470
00:22:16,878 --> 00:22:20,118
Speaker 1: Yeah he was, you know, he was a good. He

471
00:22:20,198 --> 00:22:22,638
Speaker 1: was a good comedian, right, you saw him on other shows.

472
00:22:22,678 --> 00:22:27,118
Speaker 1: But some of these people Rose Marie, Charlie Weaver, Charles Nelson, Riley.

473
00:22:27,158 --> 00:22:28,918
Speaker 1: What the heck did they do other than be on

474
00:22:28,998 --> 00:22:29,918
Speaker 1: Hollywood Squares?

475
00:22:29,958 --> 00:22:30,478
Speaker 2: I didn't know.

476
00:22:30,558 --> 00:22:33,118
Speaker 1: I think they were famous for being on the Hollywood Squares.

477
00:22:33,518 --> 00:22:34,598
Speaker 1: It's like they were invented.

478
00:22:34,838 --> 00:22:37,438
Speaker 3: They did the variety shows. They were there. The Variety

479
00:22:37,478 --> 00:22:39,398
Speaker 3: show was so big back then. All these guys would

480
00:22:39,438 --> 00:22:41,878
Speaker 3: pop up in different venues with that paul In I

481
00:22:41,918 --> 00:22:43,878
Speaker 3: think was in Bewitched, Wasn't he didn't he come out

482
00:22:43,878 --> 00:22:46,318
Speaker 3: of like a box on a table or something. I

483
00:22:46,358 --> 00:22:50,518
Speaker 3: can't remember quite, but Paulin always was called on for

484
00:22:50,598 --> 00:22:54,558
Speaker 3: that particular moment, wasn't. Wasn't They called her Juice. The

485
00:22:54,598 --> 00:22:58,038
Speaker 3: other one was the Gong Show. God, I love the

486
00:22:58,038 --> 00:23:00,718
Speaker 3: Gong Show too, But Chuck Barrett, Chuck Barrett.

487
00:23:00,558 --> 00:23:01,358
Speaker 4: And all those people.

488
00:23:01,438 --> 00:23:04,558
Speaker 3: But I could absolutely see Peter Mark right, he did

489
00:23:04,558 --> 00:23:06,958
Speaker 3: the squares up and down. I could just see them.

490
00:23:06,958 --> 00:23:09,598
Speaker 3: I'm re rehashing them in my brain right now.

491
00:23:09,638 --> 00:23:10,918
Speaker 4: But all those.

492
00:23:10,718 --> 00:23:15,158
Speaker 3: Guys outstanding, And of course they had to be prepped

493
00:23:15,198 --> 00:23:18,598
Speaker 3: before all this because their answers were so good. But yes,

494
00:23:18,718 --> 00:23:20,318
Speaker 3: that's one of the shows I did watch.

495
00:23:20,598 --> 00:23:23,678
Speaker 1: Yeah, they were prepped, so they had jokes at the ready,

496
00:23:23,798 --> 00:23:26,438
Speaker 1: but they also taped a week's worth of shows in

497
00:23:26,598 --> 00:23:30,558
Speaker 1: one night, and they took booze breaks in between taping

498
00:23:30,678 --> 00:23:31,118
Speaker 1: the shows.

499
00:23:31,158 --> 00:23:32,398
Speaker 4: So there you go.

500
00:23:32,558 --> 00:23:35,238
Speaker 1: I bring it up because Peter Marshall, you mentioned, the

501
00:23:35,238 --> 00:23:38,118
Speaker 1: host of the show, just passed away at the age

502
00:23:38,158 --> 00:23:40,798
Speaker 1: of ninety eight, and there's a baseball connection here. Peter

503
00:23:40,878 --> 00:23:45,718
Speaker 1: Marshall his son. Actually Peter Marshall's real name was Ralph

504
00:23:45,958 --> 00:23:50,318
Speaker 1: Pierre Lecock, and his son was a Major League baseball player.

505
00:23:50,678 --> 00:23:53,358
Speaker 1: Drafted at a high school, Tafft High School in LA

506
00:23:53,518 --> 00:23:58,118
Speaker 1: by the Chicago Cubs in nineteen seventy. Peter Lecock first baseman,

507
00:23:58,198 --> 00:24:02,158
Speaker 1: left handed hitter. He signed straight.

508
00:24:01,878 --> 00:24:02,678
Speaker 2: Out of high school.

509
00:24:02,918 --> 00:24:05,318
Speaker 1: Goes to the Pioneer League in nineteen seventy, and he

510
00:24:05,358 --> 00:24:07,238
Speaker 1: made his debut in the big leagues at the age

511
00:24:07,278 --> 00:24:09,438
Speaker 1: of twenty. That gives you an idea that kind of

512
00:24:09,478 --> 00:24:11,358
Speaker 1: talent this guy had that he gets to the big

513
00:24:11,438 --> 00:24:13,758
Speaker 1: leagues at the age of twenty. He wounded up playing

514
00:24:13,838 --> 00:24:16,478
Speaker 1: nine years in the big League's two fifty seven career hitter.

515
00:24:16,558 --> 00:24:18,478
Speaker 1: But while he's in the minor League show. He went

516
00:24:18,478 --> 00:24:20,998
Speaker 1: back to the minor leagues. In nineteen seventy four. He's

517
00:24:21,038 --> 00:24:24,598
Speaker 1: playing for Wichita and they've got a game at Denver

518
00:24:25,118 --> 00:24:27,998
Speaker 1: and he's playing first base and there's a tough play

519
00:24:28,038 --> 00:24:30,558
Speaker 1: at first base and the official scorer charges him with

520
00:24:30,638 --> 00:24:34,238
Speaker 1: an error. He sees the error light up on the scoreboard.

521
00:24:34,398 --> 00:24:37,518
Speaker 1: He picks up the baseball and he heaves it at

522
00:24:37,558 --> 00:24:41,838
Speaker 1: the official score in the press box. And on that night,

523
00:24:42,318 --> 00:24:44,558
Speaker 1: the Governor of Colorado happened to be in the press

524
00:24:44,558 --> 00:24:48,038
Speaker 1: box and the ball almost hit him. John Vanderhoof was

525
00:24:48,078 --> 00:24:50,558
Speaker 1: the Governor of Colorado. He throws the ball in the

526
00:24:50,558 --> 00:24:53,518
Speaker 1: press box and almost beans the Governor of Colorado.

527
00:24:53,758 --> 00:24:55,118
Speaker 2: He got a one day suspension.

528
00:24:55,238 --> 00:24:57,758
Speaker 4: I knew Pete. I know Pete, I mean from the Cubs.

529
00:24:57,918 --> 00:25:00,758
Speaker 3: He'd always come around, really an upbeat kind of guy,

530
00:25:00,958 --> 00:25:03,078
Speaker 3: always positive, very supportive.

531
00:25:04,038 --> 00:25:06,038
Speaker 4: Tap Tigh school is that? Isn't that in Fullerton area?

532
00:25:06,158 --> 00:25:06,718
Speaker 4: I'm not sure?

533
00:25:06,758 --> 00:25:09,598
Speaker 3: But Woodland Hills, Okay, woodn Hills all right, But anyway,

534
00:25:10,038 --> 00:25:11,638
Speaker 3: good fella, a lot of fun.

535
00:25:11,678 --> 00:25:13,918
Speaker 4: And he didn't really really realize that his arm was

536
00:25:13,918 --> 00:25:15,958
Speaker 4: that good, or maybe it was that good.

537
00:25:15,958 --> 00:25:18,438
Speaker 3: I mean to throw the ball that high, that far,

538
00:25:19,078 --> 00:25:21,758
Speaker 3: but one of the very kind of a loose cannon,

539
00:25:22,158 --> 00:25:25,838
Speaker 3: very free spirited. I guess maybe being around show business

540
00:25:25,838 --> 00:25:29,438
Speaker 3: as much as he was, he wasn't totally impacted by

541
00:25:29,478 --> 00:25:32,798
Speaker 3: the daily grind of the baseball game. But like Pete

542
00:25:32,918 --> 00:25:35,998
Speaker 3: still run into when they go to Chicago, he's a cub.

543
00:25:36,038 --> 00:25:38,758
Speaker 3: He loves he loved being a cub and too bad

544
00:25:38,758 --> 00:25:41,518
Speaker 3: about his pop. But that was a really a well

545
00:25:41,558 --> 00:25:42,878
Speaker 3: lived life on his part.

546
00:25:43,158 --> 00:25:45,998
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, Pete would hang out for the tapings

547
00:25:46,038 --> 00:25:48,118
Speaker 1: of the show and they actually tap Hollywood Squares in

548
00:25:48,158 --> 00:25:51,598
Speaker 1: the studio right next to the Tonight Show, and Johnny

549
00:25:51,638 --> 00:25:54,958
Speaker 1: Carson would stop by and he'd hang out with Johnny

550
00:25:54,998 --> 00:25:57,358
Speaker 1: Carson and as you mentioned, Paul Lynn and some of

551
00:25:57,358 --> 00:26:01,118
Speaker 1: those guys. So that was his childhood growing up. He

552
00:26:01,398 --> 00:26:04,598
Speaker 1: was a free spirit and kind of loose cannon. But

553
00:26:04,798 --> 00:26:09,238
Speaker 1: one of his greatest moments was September third of nineteen

554
00:26:09,358 --> 00:26:14,478
Speaker 1: seventy five. He's facing Bob Gibson, and Bob Gibson's having

555
00:26:14,478 --> 00:26:14,958
Speaker 1: a tough year.

556
00:26:14,998 --> 00:26:16,318
Speaker 2: It's the last year of his career.

557
00:26:16,398 --> 00:26:20,038
Speaker 1: He doesn't quite know it yet, but it's not the

558
00:26:20,118 --> 00:26:23,358
Speaker 1: nineteen sixty eight Bob Gibson's that's out there. Anyway, it's

559
00:26:23,398 --> 00:26:25,038
Speaker 1: late in the game. I think it's the eighth inning,

560
00:26:26,078 --> 00:26:29,958
Speaker 1: basses are loaded. Close game, Pete Lacock hits a grand

561
00:26:30,038 --> 00:26:34,598
Speaker 1: slam of Bob Gibson. So that was the last hit

562
00:26:34,958 --> 00:26:38,198
Speaker 1: that Bob Gibson gave up. He got Don Kessinger the

563
00:26:38,198 --> 00:26:40,078
Speaker 1: next batter on a ground ball to end the inning,

564
00:26:40,358 --> 00:26:44,038
Speaker 1: and that was it. He retired immediately after that. Bob

565
00:26:44,078 --> 00:26:46,678
Speaker 1: Gibson didn't bother going on the last road trip of

566
00:26:46,718 --> 00:26:49,278
Speaker 1: the Cardinals. He's like, I'm done.

567
00:26:49,398 --> 00:26:51,758
Speaker 2: I just gave up a grand slam to Pete Lacock.

568
00:26:53,678 --> 00:26:57,118
Speaker 1: So fifteen years later, you know where this is going.

569
00:26:57,198 --> 00:27:00,078
Speaker 1: Bob Gibson faces Pete Lecock in an old Timers game.

570
00:27:00,158 --> 00:27:02,558
Speaker 4: It drills him in the ribs.

571
00:27:04,278 --> 00:27:08,278
Speaker 1: And then later on they wind up coaching Gibson and

572
00:27:08,358 --> 00:27:12,438
Speaker 1: Leacock in the Cardinals system, and they go to spring

573
00:27:12,518 --> 00:27:18,038
Speaker 1: training and the Cardinals staff lockers them next to one another.

574
00:27:19,878 --> 00:27:22,718
Speaker 1: Bob Gibson never said a word to Pete Leacock with

575
00:27:22,798 --> 00:27:24,518
Speaker 1: the lockart next to him in spring training.

576
00:27:25,878 --> 00:27:29,158
Speaker 3: I got to meet Bob at the end there when

577
00:27:29,158 --> 00:27:31,678
Speaker 3: I'm still with the Cubs. Obviously, Tim McCarver and I

578
00:27:31,718 --> 00:27:35,158
Speaker 3: became friends over the course of time, we just had

579
00:27:35,158 --> 00:27:37,398
Speaker 3: a connection and he knew that how much I was

580
00:27:37,438 --> 00:27:40,158
Speaker 3: a Cardinal fan growing up. So Timy and I would

581
00:27:40,198 --> 00:27:44,238
Speaker 3: always speak. Actually, I went to Dominus Winery and knap

582
00:27:44,358 --> 00:27:46,998
Speaker 3: and he, with some connections, got me some really good

583
00:27:47,918 --> 00:27:52,518
Speaker 3: great afternoon there. Wow, left there feeling pretty good. But

584
00:27:52,598 --> 00:27:55,398
Speaker 3: one day Tim set it up. So we're in Saint

585
00:27:55,438 --> 00:27:58,438
Speaker 3: Louis at bush and he says, I got Bob to

586
00:27:58,478 --> 00:28:01,278
Speaker 3: come down and the dug out and talk to you

587
00:28:01,318 --> 00:28:03,558
Speaker 3: for a bit. I was like, wow, that's a big

588
00:28:03,598 --> 00:28:06,558
Speaker 3: wile for me because Gibson growing up, Alison, I was

589
00:28:06,918 --> 00:28:10,518
Speaker 3: ten when I became a cardinal fan here and there

590
00:28:10,598 --> 00:28:12,598
Speaker 3: was even as a ten year old, the one thing

591
00:28:12,598 --> 00:28:16,678
Speaker 3: I noticed about mister Gibson was this competitive nature. It's

592
00:28:16,718 --> 00:28:19,638
Speaker 3: like it was like nobody when when he pitched, this

593
00:28:19,678 --> 00:28:23,878
Speaker 3: guy was totally in charge of everything, intimidating great stuff,

594
00:28:24,438 --> 00:28:26,798
Speaker 3: the energetic delivery, the way he fell off the mound,

595
00:28:26,878 --> 00:28:28,878
Speaker 3: his arms were spread like almost like he's ready to

596
00:28:28,918 --> 00:28:29,398
Speaker 3: take off.

597
00:28:29,798 --> 00:28:31,598
Speaker 4: Huge fan of mister Gibson.

598
00:28:31,598 --> 00:28:34,078
Speaker 3: So I had that one moment where Tim Brod has

599
00:28:34,238 --> 00:28:35,678
Speaker 3: brought me down and we sat in the dug and

600
00:28:35,718 --> 00:28:36,838
Speaker 3: I probably talked him for about a.

601
00:28:36,838 --> 00:28:38,758
Speaker 4: Half an hour about a variety of different subjects.

602
00:28:38,758 --> 00:28:41,878
Speaker 3: And if I ever had a questionnaire for many years

603
00:28:41,918 --> 00:28:43,718
Speaker 3: and it said who is your idol growing up besides

604
00:28:43,798 --> 00:28:46,358
Speaker 3: my dad, I would say Bob Gibson. And then if

605
00:28:46,358 --> 00:28:49,718
Speaker 3: I read his life story in Omaha, Nebraska, he had

606
00:28:49,798 --> 00:28:52,998
Speaker 3: Ricketts as a kid. Eventually was a really good basketball player,

607
00:28:53,038 --> 00:28:55,638
Speaker 3: played for the Globe Trotters for a bit, just.

608
00:28:55,598 --> 00:28:56,758
Speaker 4: An outstanding athlete.

609
00:28:57,678 --> 00:29:00,478
Speaker 3: You know, got there in a very difficult way when

610
00:29:00,478 --> 00:29:03,398
Speaker 3: he got up. There wasn't a smash in the beginning.

611
00:29:03,398 --> 00:29:07,638
Speaker 3: But eventually, obviously he was one of the most intimidating athletic,

612
00:29:08,278 --> 00:29:11,038
Speaker 3: interesting men that has ever played the game. And like

613
00:29:11,078 --> 00:29:12,998
Speaker 3: I said, since the time I was ten, if you

614
00:29:12,998 --> 00:29:14,678
Speaker 3: asked me who my idol was in baseball, I would

615
00:29:14,678 --> 00:29:15,478
Speaker 3: say Bob Gibson.

616
00:29:15,718 --> 00:29:18,038
Speaker 1: And you know this, Joe if if you got to

617
00:29:18,078 --> 00:29:21,518
Speaker 1: know him, if you crack that veneer, he's a sweetheart.

618
00:29:21,718 --> 00:29:24,078
Speaker 2: Yeah, great man, very nice, yet wonderful.

619
00:29:24,158 --> 00:29:26,038
Speaker 1: Pete Lecock, by the way, his last game in the

620
00:29:26,078 --> 00:29:28,558
Speaker 1: major leagues was a World Series game, Game two of

621
00:29:28,558 --> 00:29:31,718
Speaker 1: the nineteen eighty World Series, playing for Kansas City. He

622
00:29:31,798 --> 00:29:34,998
Speaker 1: came in as a defensive replacement for Willie Aikins. Now

623
00:29:34,998 --> 00:29:37,078
Speaker 1: he did go on the next year, he signed a

624
00:29:37,118 --> 00:29:39,678
Speaker 1: contract to play in Japan. I think it was a

625
00:29:39,718 --> 00:29:42,838
Speaker 1: two year, eight hundred thousand dollars deal, and he immediately

626
00:29:42,878 --> 00:29:45,118
Speaker 1: said it's too much money. I'm not worth it. But

627
00:29:45,438 --> 00:29:49,118
Speaker 1: he went to Japan to play. This is your typical

628
00:29:49,158 --> 00:29:53,318
Speaker 1: Pete Lacock story. He gets called out on strikes. He thought,

629
00:29:53,358 --> 00:29:56,238
Speaker 1: obviously the pitch was out of the zone. He turns around,

630
00:29:56,278 --> 00:29:58,358
Speaker 1: he hands his back to the umpire and he says,

631
00:29:58,918 --> 00:30:00,638
Speaker 1: you're taking the bat on my hand, so you might

632
00:30:00,678 --> 00:30:01,318
Speaker 1: as well have it.

633
00:30:01,878 --> 00:30:05,278
Speaker 3: That's Pete Lacock, that's perfect. And the guy you mentioned there,

634
00:30:05,278 --> 00:30:09,038
Speaker 3: Willie Mays Aikins. I was in spring training with him,

635
00:30:09,198 --> 00:30:14,678
Speaker 3: Willie in nineteen seventy six in Holteville with El Central

636
00:30:14,758 --> 00:30:15,478
Speaker 3: with the Angels.

637
00:30:16,358 --> 00:30:17,238
Speaker 4: What a nice man.

638
00:30:17,558 --> 00:30:19,398
Speaker 3: I mean, he ran into some issues whatever, but the

639
00:30:19,398 --> 00:30:22,518
Speaker 3: guy has such glorious talent. God, he could whip a

640
00:30:22,558 --> 00:30:26,358
Speaker 3: baseball bat as quickly as anybody could. I remember hanging

641
00:30:26,358 --> 00:30:28,398
Speaker 3: out with him, just a little bit conversation. One day

642
00:30:28,398 --> 00:30:30,718
Speaker 3: we had that was a strike here and they had him.

643
00:30:30,758 --> 00:30:33,718
Speaker 3: Bill Milton and John Darty was a catcher in the

644
00:30:33,758 --> 00:30:36,598
Speaker 3: minor leagues. And Bobby Bonds was there at that time,

645
00:30:36,638 --> 00:30:38,438
Speaker 3: and they gave like a little hitting clinic in the

646
00:30:38,638 --> 00:30:41,558
Speaker 3: food room, and I remember that. I remember there was

647
00:30:41,558 --> 00:30:43,478
Speaker 3: one thing that Bill Melton said in that clinic that

648
00:30:44,078 --> 00:30:47,118
Speaker 3: I incorporated, and I actually ran in the Bill obviously

649
00:30:47,158 --> 00:30:49,358
Speaker 3: with the White Sox, and told him all about it.

650
00:30:49,438 --> 00:30:54,118
Speaker 3: But William May's aikins akac and a little bit of

651
00:30:54,478 --> 00:30:56,878
Speaker 3: a stutter when he spoke, but God, he was entertaining,

652
00:30:56,878 --> 00:30:58,878
Speaker 3: and God, he could whip a bat. And it's too

653
00:30:58,878 --> 00:31:00,758
Speaker 3: bad he ran into the issues that he did, because

654
00:31:01,478 --> 00:31:04,598
Speaker 3: it really was incredibly strong, with incredible will bat speed.

655
00:31:04,998 --> 00:31:07,238
Speaker 1: Yeah, and will he did. I'm not sure if you

656
00:31:07,278 --> 00:31:10,038
Speaker 1: ever saw it, Joe. He did write a book, a

657
00:31:09,638 --> 00:31:13,158
Speaker 1: biography of his life, and it's fascinating. You mentioned his issues,

658
00:31:13,478 --> 00:31:16,958
Speaker 1: substance abuse issues. He's very forthcoming about it, and it's

659
00:31:16,958 --> 00:31:19,758
Speaker 1: an incredible window into what that Kansas City team was

660
00:31:19,798 --> 00:31:21,518
Speaker 1: going through at that time, and really what a lot

661
00:31:21,558 --> 00:31:24,198
Speaker 1: of Major League Baseball teams were going through at that

662
00:31:24,318 --> 00:31:26,478
Speaker 1: time in the in the early nineteen eighties.

663
00:31:26,958 --> 00:31:29,118
Speaker 2: A fascinating read. If you ever get your hands on it.

664
00:31:29,438 --> 00:31:30,118
Speaker 4: I'll check it out.

665
00:31:30,118 --> 00:31:32,438
Speaker 3: The other guy was Darryl Scanners, Darryl was with us

666
00:31:32,478 --> 00:31:35,878
Speaker 3: in the Angel organization. I was coaching when he first

667
00:31:35,878 --> 00:31:38,758
Speaker 3: came up, and eventually went to Mexico with Billy Latchman,

668
00:31:38,798 --> 00:31:41,278
Speaker 3: who was managing in ober Agon, cee of the Obigon,

669
00:31:41,878 --> 00:31:44,318
Speaker 3: and I went down there to help straighten Daryl out

670
00:31:44,358 --> 00:31:46,118
Speaker 3: as a hitting coach at that time, and he did.

671
00:31:46,158 --> 00:31:49,358
Speaker 3: But that, like you said, that that generation that it

672
00:31:49,478 --> 00:31:51,558
Speaker 3: was like a ten year window or so, a lot

673
00:31:51,598 --> 00:31:55,038
Speaker 3: of stuff going on, a lot of issues. Darryl went

674
00:31:55,038 --> 00:31:56,998
Speaker 3: with Daryl and he was playing in Double A and

675
00:31:57,398 --> 00:31:58,718
Speaker 3: actually was playing for me in Double A.

676
00:31:58,758 --> 00:32:00,918
Speaker 4: I think it was me, right, was that robing, but

677
00:32:00,958 --> 00:32:01,438
Speaker 4: I think it was me.

678
00:32:01,758 --> 00:32:04,038
Speaker 3: And we were playing in the streetport one night, and

679
00:32:04,078 --> 00:32:05,918
Speaker 3: I'll tell you somebody was just wearing him out from

680
00:32:05,918 --> 00:32:09,038
Speaker 3: the stance, wearing him out, and Daryl took it and

681
00:32:09,438 --> 00:32:10,998
Speaker 3: move forward from there. I don't even know what he's

682
00:32:10,998 --> 00:32:13,638
Speaker 3: doing right now, But that's another guy. The Angels has

683
00:32:13,718 --> 00:32:17,958
Speaker 3: some dudes with some incredible talent. The scouting system was unbelievable.

684
00:32:18,638 --> 00:32:21,358
Speaker 3: We were Minor League tops, Minor League organization of the

685
00:32:21,398 --> 00:32:24,598
Speaker 3: Year for several years and the seventies into the eighties.

686
00:32:24,638 --> 00:32:27,678
Speaker 4: It was that good. But anyway, there's a parallel.

687
00:32:27,278 --> 00:32:31,358
Speaker 3: Between Willie mayz Akins and Sconce, But there was a

688
00:32:31,358 --> 00:32:34,918
Speaker 3: lot of really great baseball players that had some issues

689
00:32:34,958 --> 00:32:37,398
Speaker 3: at that time and was a societal issue at that

690
00:32:37,438 --> 00:32:39,798
Speaker 3: time also that just split into Major League baseball.

691
00:32:40,358 --> 00:32:41,998
Speaker 1: Joe, as you know, on this show, we love to

692
00:32:42,038 --> 00:32:45,998
Speaker 1: talk about music and baseball, and in our next segment,

693
00:32:46,118 --> 00:32:49,158
Speaker 1: we're going to literally combine the two. We're going to

694
00:32:49,238 --> 00:32:51,918
Speaker 1: talk about the combination of when music is a big

695
00:32:51,998 --> 00:32:55,878
Speaker 1: part of an actual baseball game. Starting with a song

696
00:32:55,958 --> 00:33:01,238
Speaker 1: you probably heard every game you managed and coached at

697
00:33:01,238 --> 00:33:17,278
Speaker 1: Angels Stadium, and do that right after this, Joe Madden,

698
00:33:17,398 --> 00:33:19,558
Speaker 1: the song calling All Angels.

699
00:33:20,078 --> 00:33:21,358
Speaker 2: Yeah, what does it mean to you?

700
00:33:21,638 --> 00:33:21,798
Speaker 4: Oh?

701
00:33:21,838 --> 00:33:23,678
Speaker 3: My god, it's every day, Eddie.

702
00:33:24,478 --> 00:33:24,838
Speaker 4: You know that.

703
00:33:25,118 --> 00:33:27,198
Speaker 3: It's when they first did that gig out there with

704
00:33:27,238 --> 00:33:30,798
Speaker 3: the Anaheim. They did a wonderful job of morphing together

705
00:33:30,838 --> 00:33:33,918
Speaker 3: the two scoreboards and then calling All Angels, and they

706
00:33:33,918 --> 00:33:37,838
Speaker 3: would go through this historical video of the Angels from

707
00:33:37,878 --> 00:33:41,518
Speaker 3: the from the inception to present time. And when it

708
00:33:41,558 --> 00:33:43,718
Speaker 3: first began, like I said, it was, it was fabulous

709
00:33:43,758 --> 00:33:46,678
Speaker 3: and we really look forward to But then it got

710
00:33:46,718 --> 00:33:49,438
Speaker 3: to the point where guys were asking me, please go

711
00:33:49,478 --> 00:33:51,238
Speaker 3: talk to somebody and see if they would stop doing that.

712
00:33:51,278 --> 00:33:52,958
Speaker 3: I thought they should start playing it once a week

713
00:33:52,998 --> 00:33:57,838
Speaker 3: as opposed to every day. But the original concept was spectacular.

714
00:33:58,238 --> 00:34:00,198
Speaker 3: It just kind of wore down a little bit. But

715
00:34:00,318 --> 00:34:04,438
Speaker 3: Calling All Angels is this great recap historical cap and

716
00:34:04,598 --> 00:34:07,358
Speaker 3: I don't know, two minutes maybe it is a video

717
00:34:07,398 --> 00:34:09,958
Speaker 3: with the song about the Angels from the time they

718
00:34:09,998 --> 00:34:13,798
Speaker 3: were the Los Angeles Angels, to the California Angels, to

719
00:34:13,798 --> 00:34:16,038
Speaker 3: the Anaheim Angels to Los Angeles Angels.

720
00:34:15,798 --> 00:34:18,238
Speaker 4: Of Anaheim twitter we are right now there. But it's

721
00:34:18,278 --> 00:34:19,678
Speaker 4: a really a great video.

722
00:34:20,198 --> 00:34:23,638
Speaker 1: It's the song obviously, is by the band Train. It

723
00:34:23,758 --> 00:34:25,558
Speaker 1: was released in two thousand and three. By the way,

724
00:34:25,598 --> 00:34:28,798
Speaker 1: it is a great video. First of all, I like

725
00:34:28,878 --> 00:34:32,078
Speaker 1: the song, but the video is awesome, and I think

726
00:34:32,078 --> 00:34:34,118
Speaker 1: it's important you have a team like the Angels to

727
00:34:34,198 --> 00:34:37,838
Speaker 1: remind people what your history is. You know, we all

728
00:34:37,838 --> 00:34:39,878
Speaker 1: come from somewhere, and I think you know as much

729
00:34:39,958 --> 00:34:41,798
Speaker 1: movement there as there is in baseball. I think it's

730
00:34:41,838 --> 00:34:44,038
Speaker 1: good to let your fans and especially even the players

731
00:34:44,918 --> 00:34:48,198
Speaker 1: know what's been behind you and the tracks that you follow.

732
00:34:49,318 --> 00:34:51,318
Speaker 1: First of all, I bring it up because this is

733
00:34:51,358 --> 00:34:53,318
Speaker 1: a while ago, but one of the founding members of

734
00:34:53,318 --> 00:34:55,918
Speaker 1: that band Train, Charlie Collin died.

735
00:34:56,038 --> 00:34:57,598
Speaker 2: He was only fifty eight years old.

736
00:34:57,678 --> 00:35:00,798
Speaker 1: He had moved to Belgium to teach music and he

737
00:35:00,918 --> 00:35:03,558
Speaker 1: was house sitting for some friends and he slipped and

738
00:35:03,598 --> 00:35:04,598
Speaker 1: fell in the shower.

739
00:35:05,198 --> 00:35:06,118
Speaker 2: It's a terrible story.

740
00:35:06,158 --> 00:35:09,038
Speaker 1: They found him five days later as a young man,

741
00:35:09,118 --> 00:35:13,398
Speaker 1: fifty eight years old. He also had a substance abuse issue.

742
00:35:13,398 --> 00:35:14,958
Speaker 1: This is going back when he left the band in

743
00:35:14,998 --> 00:35:18,958
Speaker 1: twenty thirteen. But that band cranked out some hits. Joe,

744
00:35:19,078 --> 00:35:20,638
Speaker 1: I don't know if you were a trained fan, but

745
00:35:20,718 --> 00:35:25,198
Speaker 1: you know, Meet Virginia, Drops of Jupiter. But that kind

746
00:35:25,198 --> 00:35:28,358
Speaker 1: of landed on the map of baseball, that song Calling

747
00:35:28,398 --> 00:35:31,278
Speaker 1: All Angels, And you know, I guess if I'm there

748
00:35:31,318 --> 00:35:35,118
Speaker 1: eighty one days, maybe it gets old, Joe, But you know, listen,

749
00:35:35,238 --> 00:35:38,478
Speaker 1: the rally Monkey is still around. They trot that out

750
00:35:38,598 --> 00:35:40,878
Speaker 1: in late in the games in the Angel Stadium as well.

751
00:35:40,918 --> 00:35:44,278
Speaker 1: But Calling All Angels is pretty cool. And I think

752
00:35:44,718 --> 00:35:48,278
Speaker 1: there's something about what a song matches up with the

753
00:35:48,358 --> 00:35:51,718
Speaker 1: right time and place, you know. I'm thinking of Trevor

754
00:35:51,718 --> 00:35:55,718
Speaker 1: Hoffman and Hell's Bells, and of course Mariana Rivera and

755
00:35:55,758 --> 00:35:59,998
Speaker 1: her Sandman and that song calling All Angels. It really

756
00:36:00,038 --> 00:36:02,358
Speaker 1: does to me when I hear it, I think about

757
00:36:02,398 --> 00:36:03,478
Speaker 1: the Angels.

758
00:36:03,478 --> 00:36:04,958
Speaker 3: No, no doubt out And like I said, it was,

759
00:36:04,998 --> 00:36:07,118
Speaker 3: it's really well done, there's no question. It's just that

760
00:36:07,158 --> 00:36:09,118
Speaker 3: if you're a player, the players are starting to get

761
00:36:09,118 --> 00:36:11,718
Speaker 3: worn out by that on a daily basis, and I try,

762
00:36:11,798 --> 00:36:14,318
Speaker 3: Like I said, I tried, but I will defend it

763
00:36:14,318 --> 00:36:17,038
Speaker 3: was great production, and when we first saw it it

764
00:36:17,118 --> 00:36:17,958
Speaker 3: was outstanding.

765
00:36:17,998 --> 00:36:18,758
Speaker 4: I thought it was great.

766
00:36:19,758 --> 00:36:21,558
Speaker 3: But just like when you when you talk about that,

767
00:36:22,638 --> 00:36:24,798
Speaker 3: I'm kind of a fan a little bit of the

768
00:36:24,918 --> 00:36:28,238
Speaker 3: walk up music because I like music so much and

769
00:36:29,358 --> 00:36:32,558
Speaker 3: I get caught up in that as hitters come up,

770
00:36:32,598 --> 00:36:35,678
Speaker 3: and sometimes you'll be playing a team that the guys

771
00:36:35,718 --> 00:36:38,038
Speaker 3: got good walk up music. So I look forward to

772
00:36:38,078 --> 00:36:39,958
Speaker 3: certain players coming up to the plate when it just

773
00:36:40,318 --> 00:36:42,918
Speaker 3: it's the game, and the game gets kind of tense

774
00:36:42,958 --> 00:36:45,678
Speaker 3: and tight sometimes, but if you could just escape, even

775
00:36:45,718 --> 00:36:48,798
Speaker 3: for ten seconds, it could be kind of useful and helpful.

776
00:36:48,798 --> 00:36:50,678
Speaker 3: I think fans actually like that. I think they liked

777
00:36:50,718 --> 00:36:53,598
Speaker 3: the walk up music. I know when I was with

778
00:36:53,638 --> 00:36:56,358
Speaker 3: the Cubs, I was trying to get David Body to just,

779
00:36:57,158 --> 00:36:59,558
Speaker 3: you know, just just get it going a little bit,

780
00:36:59,598 --> 00:37:03,918
Speaker 3: and I suggested to him Rebel Rebel It by David

781
00:37:03,998 --> 00:37:06,958
Speaker 3: Boy because because of the lick, the hook in that

782
00:37:06,998 --> 00:37:09,598
Speaker 3: song is so strong. I would always want one with

783
00:37:10,438 --> 00:37:13,198
Speaker 3: a really strong hook. And people always ask me if

784
00:37:13,238 --> 00:37:15,638
Speaker 3: you if they were to play walk up music or

785
00:37:15,678 --> 00:37:18,038
Speaker 3: walk out music to the mound for you, what would

786
00:37:18,038 --> 00:37:20,518
Speaker 3: it be? And I always said, ramble On by Led Zeppelin.

787
00:37:20,558 --> 00:37:23,678
Speaker 3: I just again, it's always about the hook. So I

788
00:37:23,758 --> 00:37:27,478
Speaker 3: really do appreciate walk up music, and probably you know

789
00:37:27,518 --> 00:37:30,598
Speaker 3: the generationally speaking, of course, some of the older stuff

790
00:37:30,678 --> 00:37:32,838
Speaker 3: is compared to some of the newer stuff. But I

791
00:37:33,198 --> 00:37:35,998
Speaker 3: do think as you're walking up to the plate, there

792
00:37:36,158 --> 00:37:38,358
Speaker 3: is there's something about that that I think it just

793
00:37:38,398 --> 00:37:41,078
Speaker 3: gets you maybe into a little bit of your comfort

794
00:37:41,118 --> 00:37:43,998
Speaker 3: zone as a hitter. And so and like you said,

795
00:37:44,278 --> 00:37:47,518
Speaker 3: from a relief pictures perspective, the trumpets with the Diaz

796
00:37:47,558 --> 00:37:50,958
Speaker 3: in New York, that could be utilized in a lot

797
00:37:50,958 --> 00:37:51,438
Speaker 3: of good ways.

798
00:37:51,438 --> 00:37:52,518
Speaker 4: And I think it is interesting.

799
00:37:52,878 --> 00:37:55,678
Speaker 1: By the way, did David Body know who David Bowie was?

800
00:37:55,758 --> 00:37:57,518
Speaker 1: You got to ask the no, he didn't.

801
00:37:57,798 --> 00:38:01,158
Speaker 3: Amazing, No, that's what I should have further that David

802
00:38:01,198 --> 00:38:04,558
Speaker 3: Body David Bowie. So that's where I've got all this

803
00:38:04,638 --> 00:38:08,158
Speaker 3: from and then I started because I'm huge Bowie fan.

804
00:38:08,598 --> 00:38:11,158
Speaker 3: God was a genius, and so I did. I explain

805
00:38:11,238 --> 00:38:14,198
Speaker 3: it all to him. You know, he listened obviously, and

806
00:38:14,238 --> 00:38:15,998
Speaker 3: he wouldn't play it all the time, but I swear

807
00:38:16,398 --> 00:38:18,518
Speaker 3: whenever they played it, he had a good at bat.

808
00:38:18,838 --> 00:38:19,598
Speaker 2: It's amazing.

809
00:38:20,238 --> 00:38:22,798
Speaker 1: I think about Paul O'Neill at the old Yankee Stadium

810
00:38:23,118 --> 00:38:27,718
Speaker 1: and Boba O'Reilly the opening lixt and it's it's amazing.

811
00:38:27,758 --> 00:38:30,758
Speaker 1: I don't know if as a visiting player or manager, Joe,

812
00:38:30,798 --> 00:38:33,678
Speaker 1: that you're aware of this, but it does. Music, the

813
00:38:33,758 --> 00:38:36,998
Speaker 1: right music at the right time, does create a lot

814
00:38:37,038 --> 00:38:40,518
Speaker 1: of energy. I remember Don manningly telling me you really

815
00:38:40,518 --> 00:38:44,238
Speaker 1: ought to look up the scoring rate of teams at

816
00:38:44,278 --> 00:38:47,118
Speaker 1: home in the bottom of the seventh inning because everybody

817
00:38:47,118 --> 00:38:50,518
Speaker 1: gets excited about the seventh inning stretch, and there's certain

818
00:38:50,638 --> 00:38:53,358
Speaker 1: traditions besides taking me out to the ballgame that teams do.

819
00:38:54,678 --> 00:38:57,318
Speaker 1: It's like a reboot for everybody. And I thought he

820
00:38:57,398 --> 00:38:59,878
Speaker 1: had a really good point. It sounds like a lot

821
00:38:59,878 --> 00:39:02,958
Speaker 1: of work research wise, but it might be worth diving

822
00:39:02,998 --> 00:39:07,198
Speaker 1: into someday, the intersection of baseball music in a ballpark.

823
00:39:07,238 --> 00:39:09,078
Speaker 2: You know, I'm sure you felt it. Joe can make

824
00:39:09,118 --> 00:39:10,158
Speaker 2: a difference well.

825
00:39:10,158 --> 00:39:13,198
Speaker 4: For years. I mean I was really big in the

826
00:39:13,198 --> 00:39:13,758
Speaker 4: minor leagues.

827
00:39:13,798 --> 00:39:15,238
Speaker 3: I was like one of the first dudes that made

828
00:39:15,238 --> 00:39:17,998
Speaker 3: sure that they played music during batting practice.

829
00:39:18,158 --> 00:39:18,718
Speaker 4: I wanted that.

830
00:39:18,838 --> 00:39:22,718
Speaker 3: And I still remember throwing VP in Palm Springs three

831
00:39:22,758 --> 00:39:25,718
Speaker 3: o'clock in the afternoons, one hundred degrees and I'm out

832
00:39:25,758 --> 00:39:28,918
Speaker 3: there throwing and might have three or four five guys

833
00:39:28,918 --> 00:39:31,478
Speaker 3: out there, and I would always make them have them

834
00:39:31,478 --> 00:39:34,078
Speaker 3: put Springsteen on. Sometimes I'd go up to the press

835
00:39:34,118 --> 00:39:36,438
Speaker 3: box myself and make sure that the music was put

836
00:39:36,438 --> 00:39:38,958
Speaker 3: on because it's just a rhythm. I got into throwing

837
00:39:39,518 --> 00:39:42,678
Speaker 3: by listening to this music. I mean, there's something. There's

838
00:39:42,678 --> 00:39:46,558
Speaker 3: something about Reggie Montgomery. I'll field their usc guy. We're

839
00:39:46,558 --> 00:39:48,318
Speaker 3: trying to make him into a first baseman, right And

840
00:39:48,358 --> 00:39:50,838
Speaker 3: I had an instructional league, and I just thought that

841
00:39:50,878 --> 00:39:54,158
Speaker 3: it was too static, big guy, And I said, listen,

842
00:39:54,238 --> 00:39:55,718
Speaker 3: you you need to loosen up over.

843
00:39:55,558 --> 00:39:56,038
Speaker 4: Here a little bit.

844
00:39:56,038 --> 00:39:57,718
Speaker 3: I need a little more rhythm, like you were dancing.

845
00:39:58,118 --> 00:40:00,518
Speaker 3: So I brought one of the vans, the vans that

846
00:40:00,558 --> 00:40:03,078
Speaker 3: we drove everybody around in at that time, and I

847
00:40:03,158 --> 00:40:05,798
Speaker 3: parked it right ext the first base outside the fence there,

848
00:40:05,798 --> 00:40:07,838
Speaker 3: and I opened the doors and I put music on,

849
00:40:07,998 --> 00:40:09,478
Speaker 3: and I said, Rech, you listened to this stuff, and

850
00:40:09,518 --> 00:40:11,758
Speaker 3: really relax, and let's get with it and see if

851
00:40:11,798 --> 00:40:13,478
Speaker 3: this could get you into the flow of moving around

852
00:40:13,518 --> 00:40:14,318
Speaker 3: the base a little bit better.

853
00:40:14,358 --> 00:40:15,398
Speaker 4: Honestly, it did that.

854
00:40:15,598 --> 00:40:19,358
Speaker 3: At Fitch Park in nineteen eighty three, maybe four, something

855
00:40:19,438 --> 00:40:19,718
Speaker 3: like that.

856
00:40:19,798 --> 00:40:22,558
Speaker 4: Five. But it does have an impact.

857
00:40:22,598 --> 00:40:25,638
Speaker 3: And when you're talking about the impact in the seventh inning,

858
00:40:25,878 --> 00:40:29,838
Speaker 3: their rally monkey. When that first came out, everybody on

859
00:40:29,878 --> 00:40:32,558
Speaker 3: our team wanted nothing to do with it. We thought

860
00:40:32,558 --> 00:40:38,038
Speaker 3: it was absurd, appalling, useless whatever. There was like almost

861
00:40:38,078 --> 00:40:40,158
Speaker 3: a revolt among the players, and I remember that there

862
00:40:40,238 --> 00:40:42,478
Speaker 3: was something an article written about it to that effect

863
00:40:42,918 --> 00:40:46,478
Speaker 3: in one of the local newspapers. But then Corny becomes cool,

864
00:40:46,798 --> 00:40:49,558
Speaker 3: and then eventually he became pretty cool. And I remember

865
00:40:49,958 --> 00:40:52,958
Speaker 3: Pinella hated it when the rally monkey came on the

866
00:40:52,958 --> 00:40:56,038
Speaker 3: board hated it, and of course that means good for us,

867
00:40:56,078 --> 00:40:59,358
Speaker 3: So that stuck. It became a thing, and it became

868
00:40:59,398 --> 00:41:01,478
Speaker 3: a very popular thing. I think it was just a

869
00:41:01,478 --> 00:41:04,998
Speaker 3: young intern that thought about it, like with the Rays too,

870
00:41:04,998 --> 00:41:07,798
Speaker 3: with their DJ Kitty. The things we used to do

871
00:41:07,798 --> 00:41:10,758
Speaker 3: on there with Tampa Bay would always annoy that some

872
00:41:10,798 --> 00:41:13,278
Speaker 3: really creative stuff on O Listen, I would stop and

873
00:41:13,318 --> 00:41:15,958
Speaker 3: watch it. They did some really creative stuff on the board.

874
00:41:16,518 --> 00:41:19,078
Speaker 3: Uh you know when things weren't going that well and

875
00:41:19,118 --> 00:41:22,198
Speaker 3: they just utilized old video film and they did wonderfully

876
00:41:22,198 --> 00:41:25,118
Speaker 3: with it. That's the part of entertainment that I really

877
00:41:25,238 --> 00:41:26,118
Speaker 3: like at these games.

878
00:41:26,398 --> 00:41:27,318
Speaker 4: So I would unplug.

879
00:41:27,438 --> 00:41:29,838
Speaker 3: I would unplug because it really helped me just choke

880
00:41:29,878 --> 00:41:32,598
Speaker 3: for a little bit. So all these ancillary things that

881
00:41:33,278 --> 00:41:35,878
Speaker 3: become more part of the fabric more recently, I'm in.

882
00:41:36,318 --> 00:41:39,158
Speaker 3: I think they do add I think the fans. This

883
00:41:39,238 --> 00:41:40,678
Speaker 3: is the kind of stuff that I think the fans

884
00:41:40,678 --> 00:41:43,678
Speaker 3: really do dig and on the field we like it too. Again,

885
00:41:43,718 --> 00:41:45,958
Speaker 3: it gives you a chance to unplug and to give

886
00:41:45,998 --> 00:41:49,518
Speaker 3: you that little warm fuzzy sometimes when it's necessary.

887
00:41:49,598 --> 00:41:52,918
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, listen, I kind of miss and I'm

888
00:41:52,918 --> 00:41:56,318
Speaker 1: going way back now getting to a ballpark early, and

889
00:41:56,358 --> 00:41:59,638
Speaker 1: I'm talking about Tiger Stadium or Fenway Park, especially where

890
00:41:59,638 --> 00:42:02,998
Speaker 1: the acoustics are amazing and there is no music and

891
00:42:03,078 --> 00:42:05,438
Speaker 1: all you hear is the crack of the bat and

892
00:42:05,438 --> 00:42:09,798
Speaker 1: then the ball rattling around the wooden seats man. That's

893
00:42:09,958 --> 00:42:12,518
Speaker 1: like being in church early on a Sunday morning before

894
00:42:12,678 --> 00:42:14,158
Speaker 1: people start filing it in.

895
00:42:14,238 --> 00:42:16,798
Speaker 2: It really makes you think. It relaxes the mind.

896
00:42:16,878 --> 00:42:20,718
Speaker 1: And these days I'm convinced that Major league players cannot

897
00:42:20,798 --> 00:42:24,078
Speaker 1: hit without music, I mean batting practice. If it's if

898
00:42:24,078 --> 00:42:27,118
Speaker 1: there's no music, forget it, they're having a fit. They

899
00:42:27,198 --> 00:42:29,598
Speaker 1: got to crank it up. You have teams now, like

900
00:42:29,638 --> 00:42:32,238
Speaker 1: the Phillies, they have their own DJ. They have their

901
00:42:32,278 --> 00:42:35,238
Speaker 1: own DJ for batting practice. So the world has changed.

902
00:42:35,318 --> 00:42:38,918
Speaker 1: I get it, you know, and I think it's fun

903
00:42:38,958 --> 00:42:42,118
Speaker 1: for the players obviously, But I don't know if you

904
00:42:42,158 --> 00:42:44,758
Speaker 1: had a DJ when you were in Tampa or the Angels.

905
00:42:44,798 --> 00:42:48,438
Speaker 1: But in Chicago, I remember you were one of the

906
00:42:48,438 --> 00:42:51,278
Speaker 1: first groups. I think this was Anthony Rizzo would roll

907
00:42:51,318 --> 00:42:55,598
Speaker 1: out these speakers. I mean the size of dump trucks

908
00:42:56,118 --> 00:42:59,878
Speaker 1: and the sound on the field in front of the dugout.

909
00:42:59,918 --> 00:43:02,638
Speaker 2: It would just blow you away. You must had something

910
00:43:02,638 --> 00:43:04,038
Speaker 2: to do with it, ye.

911
00:43:04,118 --> 00:43:07,198
Speaker 3: I started that, honestly in instructional league in the nineteen

912
00:43:07,238 --> 00:43:11,278
Speaker 3: eighties in Mesa, Arizona. So you're playing complex baseball. It's

913
00:43:11,838 --> 00:43:15,478
Speaker 3: September fifteenth to like Halloween, and you're playing six weeks,

914
00:43:15,478 --> 00:43:17,478
Speaker 3: and it's hot, brother, it is hot. And your work

915
00:43:17,558 --> 00:43:19,718
Speaker 3: day started at eight thirty nine o'clock in the morning,

916
00:43:19,998 --> 00:43:22,478
Speaker 3: and it'd be interrupted by a one o'clock game, and

917
00:43:22,518 --> 00:43:23,838
Speaker 3: you'd get done like about four.

918
00:43:23,798 --> 00:43:25,038
Speaker 4: Or five o'clock in the afternoon.

919
00:43:25,038 --> 00:43:26,638
Speaker 3: You did it six days a week, and it was

920
00:43:27,118 --> 00:43:29,678
Speaker 3: normally over one hundred degrees up until the middle of October.

921
00:43:29,798 --> 00:43:32,998
Speaker 3: So I remember all this very distinctly, obviously, so I

922
00:43:33,118 --> 00:43:35,478
Speaker 3: wanted a little bit breaking the action. I did want

923
00:43:35,478 --> 00:43:37,558
Speaker 3: my because I liked it. I wanted music. So we

924
00:43:37,638 --> 00:43:40,678
Speaker 3: bought some big, big speakers, put them on casters rollers

925
00:43:40,678 --> 00:43:42,278
Speaker 3: so that we could roll them out from the weight

926
00:43:42,358 --> 00:43:45,678
Speaker 3: room onto the tarmac there. So after we did our

927
00:43:45,758 --> 00:43:48,718
Speaker 3: work where you had to communicate, whether it was defense,

928
00:43:49,598 --> 00:43:52,598
Speaker 3: base running, whatever, we would roll the speakers out and

929
00:43:52,678 --> 00:43:55,918
Speaker 3: then we would have different kind of genre theme days.

930
00:43:55,958 --> 00:43:58,038
Speaker 3: Some days you'd have Latin music for the Latin players,

931
00:43:58,078 --> 00:44:00,358
Speaker 3: some days it'd be country music for the Western guys,

932
00:44:00,398 --> 00:44:02,318
Speaker 3: and then of course rock and roll for me. So

933
00:44:02,398 --> 00:44:05,758
Speaker 3: that started in the mid eighties in Mace, Arizona at

934
00:44:05,758 --> 00:44:08,718
Speaker 3: Genautry Park, and it continued all the way through.

935
00:44:08,958 --> 00:44:11,238
Speaker 1: Well, if you want your old school I think they

936
00:44:11,278 --> 00:44:13,918
Speaker 1: still do this at Fenway Park. Well, the visiting team

937
00:44:13,998 --> 00:44:16,798
Speaker 1: is taking batting practice. Oh yeah, you get nothing but

938
00:44:16,998 --> 00:44:21,838
Speaker 1: organ music. And there's nothing like hearing copa cabana on

939
00:44:21,918 --> 00:44:24,278
Speaker 1: an organ at Fenway Park when you're trying to get

940
00:44:24,358 --> 00:44:25,878
Speaker 1: jazzed out a baseball game.

941
00:44:26,038 --> 00:44:29,718
Speaker 3: That's so funny. That is funny. And that's what I

942
00:44:29,758 --> 00:44:31,798
Speaker 3: had I mandated. We had to bring speakers out in

943
00:44:31,838 --> 00:44:34,358
Speaker 3: Fenway for that reason. So once they went to the

944
00:44:34,398 --> 00:44:36,638
Speaker 3: organ music, we brought our own stuff out. That's exactly

945
00:44:36,678 --> 00:44:36,998
Speaker 3: what we did.

946
00:44:37,558 --> 00:44:40,398
Speaker 1: By the way, the song Calling All Angels, and we

947
00:44:40,438 --> 00:44:43,278
Speaker 1: brought this up because one of its founding members, Charlie Collin,

948
00:44:43,358 --> 00:44:46,958
Speaker 1: died recently. Where does the song come from?

949
00:44:47,078 --> 00:44:47,718
Speaker 2: The lyrics?

950
00:44:47,878 --> 00:44:49,398
Speaker 1: Well, one of the members of the band had a

951
00:44:49,398 --> 00:44:53,518
Speaker 1: conversation with his therapist, and the therapists brought up the

952
00:44:53,598 --> 00:44:56,678
Speaker 1: analogy of you know, you hear these different voices in

953
00:44:56,718 --> 00:45:00,118
Speaker 1: your head and going back to you know, the animated,

954
00:45:00,238 --> 00:45:03,878
Speaker 1: animated world, think about angels on one shoulder and demon

955
00:45:04,118 --> 00:45:06,958
Speaker 1: on the other right, And the therapist said, how cool

956
00:45:06,998 --> 00:45:10,718
Speaker 1: would this world be if all we did was we

957
00:45:10,798 --> 00:45:15,198
Speaker 1: called all our angels and not the demons, and that's

958
00:45:15,198 --> 00:45:18,518
Speaker 1: who we listened to. If we just called our angels

959
00:45:18,718 --> 00:45:21,838
Speaker 1: ignored the demons. What a better world this would be.

960
00:45:22,718 --> 00:45:26,478
Speaker 1: So that's pretty profound. It becomes a song that becomes

961
00:45:26,598 --> 00:45:29,638
Speaker 1: synonymous if you will with the La Angels.

962
00:45:29,918 --> 00:45:32,878
Speaker 3: Meditation in the morning and one massage every day and

963
00:45:33,078 --> 00:45:35,878
Speaker 3: you'll get the same result. Frank Reiberg one of the

964
00:45:35,918 --> 00:45:38,518
Speaker 3: pitching coaches for years with the Angels in the minor

965
00:45:38,598 --> 00:45:42,438
Speaker 3: League's Funny Funny Guy pitched in San Francisco into sixties,

966
00:45:42,598 --> 00:45:46,758
Speaker 3: which tells you a lot. And Frank always said, if

967
00:45:46,838 --> 00:45:50,318
Speaker 3: we all, as a human race scot a massage daily,

968
00:45:50,438 --> 00:45:51,798
Speaker 3: there'd be no such thing as war.

969
00:45:52,278 --> 00:45:55,038
Speaker 1: Words of wisdom, which is where we wind up every

970
00:45:55,038 --> 00:45:57,398
Speaker 1: one of these podcasts of the Book of Joe. Joe

971
00:45:57,438 --> 00:46:00,678
Speaker 1: always takes us out with a thought of the day,

972
00:46:00,878 --> 00:46:05,438
Speaker 1: a quote, an observation and for Flora is yours, Joe,

973
00:46:05,438 --> 00:46:06,358
Speaker 1: what do you got for us?

974
00:46:06,478 --> 00:46:06,998
Speaker 4: This one?

975
00:46:07,438 --> 00:46:11,238
Speaker 3: Yeah, this one has been motivated by the recent struggles

976
00:46:11,278 --> 00:46:15,198
Speaker 3: of Vulpy with the Yankees. And you know, I read

977
00:46:15,198 --> 00:46:16,798
Speaker 3: the Post every morning and I see a lot of

978
00:46:17,998 --> 00:46:20,478
Speaker 3: stuff written about it, and more recently Cash has.

979
00:46:20,358 --> 00:46:21,918
Speaker 4: To come out and defend him, and Booneie came out

980
00:46:21,918 --> 00:46:22,718
Speaker 4: and defended.

981
00:46:22,398 --> 00:46:26,198
Speaker 3: Him, and it's about support, and I think in today's

982
00:46:26,198 --> 00:46:28,838
Speaker 3: game and the way that everything is structured and works,

983
00:46:29,038 --> 00:46:33,438
Speaker 3: criticism flows so easily, whether from a variety of different

984
00:46:33,438 --> 00:46:36,518
Speaker 3: sources in US, especially of course social media, and all

985
00:46:36,518 --> 00:46:38,078
Speaker 3: of a sudden, people want to send this guy back

986
00:46:38,078 --> 00:46:41,158
Speaker 3: to the minor leagues. And after we earlier this year,

987
00:46:41,198 --> 00:46:43,558
Speaker 3: we're extolling his virtues one of the probably the most

988
00:46:43,638 --> 00:46:46,398
Speaker 3: viable player on the Yankees, where we thought was Vulpi. Anyway,

989
00:46:46,438 --> 00:46:49,318
Speaker 3: more recently it's really come to a loggerhead because he's

990
00:46:49,358 --> 00:46:52,118
Speaker 3: been really struggling at the plate but still playing good defense.

991
00:46:52,918 --> 00:46:56,118
Speaker 3: The point being that I love the way Cash and

992
00:46:56,158 --> 00:46:58,878
Speaker 3: Boonie have supported this guy, because you don't see it

993
00:46:59,438 --> 00:47:02,718
Speaker 3: all the time anymore. Quote of the day from Thanks

994
00:47:02,798 --> 00:47:06,518
Speaker 3: Rochelle good Rich. I think he could rich be someone's

995
00:47:06,518 --> 00:47:10,558
Speaker 3: security blanket when theirs is in the wash. Love I love,

996
00:47:10,718 --> 00:47:13,678
Speaker 3: I mean I even texted Cash over the offseason where

997
00:47:13,678 --> 00:47:15,238
Speaker 3: he was supporting a lot of the guys because they

998
00:47:15,238 --> 00:47:18,798
Speaker 3: were ripped so heavily. And Boone Booney has the toughest

999
00:47:18,878 --> 00:47:21,478
Speaker 3: job in all of baseball managing that group and having

1000
00:47:21,558 --> 00:47:23,358
Speaker 3: to deal with the press every day in New York.

1001
00:47:23,758 --> 00:47:26,278
Speaker 3: So I really respect these two guys a lot for

1002
00:47:26,438 --> 00:47:28,638
Speaker 3: taking a strong stand, believing in his kid, and I

1003
00:47:28,638 --> 00:47:31,358
Speaker 3: agree with him. He's going to be heads up when

1004
00:47:31,358 --> 00:47:33,198
Speaker 3: it gets to the next month of the season, into

1005
00:47:33,198 --> 00:47:35,878
Speaker 3: the playoffs. I believe Volpi's going to be there. He's

1006
00:47:35,918 --> 00:47:38,518
Speaker 3: going to get through this particular difficult moment and eventually

1007
00:47:38,558 --> 00:47:40,718
Speaker 3: come out the other side in a good way. So

1008
00:47:40,878 --> 00:47:43,278
Speaker 3: be someone's security blanket when theirs is in the wash.

1009
00:47:43,318 --> 00:47:44,438
Speaker 3: I thought that was outstanding.

1010
00:47:44,798 --> 00:47:45,278
Speaker 2: I love that.

1011
00:47:45,758 --> 00:47:49,198
Speaker 1: It's a great thought. I love those words, and I'm

1012
00:47:49,198 --> 00:47:51,518
Speaker 1: with you on Anthony Volpi. One thing you'll never see

1013
00:47:51,598 --> 00:47:55,518
Speaker 1: him do is down shift. You know, his energy is

1014
00:47:55,598 --> 00:47:58,878
Speaker 1: always there. You know the defense doesn't suffer when he's

1015
00:47:58,878 --> 00:48:00,038
Speaker 1: struggling offensively.

1016
00:48:00,238 --> 00:48:01,838
Speaker 2: This guy, he's a winner.

1017
00:48:01,958 --> 00:48:03,878
Speaker 1: You can see he's trying to do everything he can,

1018
00:48:04,198 --> 00:48:07,358
Speaker 1: maybe sometimes too hard, but the effort never waivers.

1019
00:48:07,358 --> 00:48:10,238
Speaker 2: From Anthony Bolpi, so I love that. Good choice, Joe.

1020
00:48:10,278 --> 00:48:11,478
Speaker 2: We'll see you next time, Joe.

1021
00:48:11,558 --> 00:48:13,678
Speaker 3: I'll get my voice ready by then, Buddy, I'm sorry,

1022
00:48:14,078 --> 00:48:17,238
Speaker 3: have a great day, man.

1023
00:48:26,478 --> 00:48:29,678
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