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Speaker 1: you cruise corny and I'm too sorry. Plus I'll leave

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Speaker 1: Yo Yo, my name's dope knife. We are waiting on reparations.

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Speaker 1: How are you doing, Mac, I've been good. Another week

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Speaker 1: in Corona Land, been productive. You know. My comic book

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Speaker 1: is almost getting that But now I get to see it.

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Speaker 1: You're the one that I'm nervous about seeing it. Why

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Speaker 1: let you see it. I've been I've shared it with

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Speaker 1: me It's like it's not it's not finished, but it's

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Speaker 1: I heard about that. So your proposal got voted down,

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Speaker 1: and uh so, I mean it's really funny because I

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Speaker 1: task forces and how like they're this like unique kind

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Speaker 1: I think sometimes they even task force to kind of

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Speaker 1: explain because to a cat like me, it's like you

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Speaker 1: still maintains the power structure that we still have black

429
00:23:51,640 --> 00:23:54,320
Speaker 1: capitalists at the top making money off slave labor for

430
00:23:54,960 --> 00:23:59,320
Speaker 1: you know, people building their fashion brands in Bangladesh. They're

431
00:23:59,359 --> 00:24:02,080
Speaker 1: essentially take the whole loaf of bread and giving slices

432
00:24:02,160 --> 00:24:04,879
Speaker 1: back to the people make rather than make sure everyone

433
00:24:05,000 --> 00:24:06,720
Speaker 1: has bread in the first place. And that's kind of

434
00:24:06,760 --> 00:24:11,720
Speaker 1: what I felt about them, not controversy, but like the beef.

435
00:24:11,920 --> 00:24:14,720
Speaker 1: A couple of days ago between make Meek Mill and

436
00:24:14,760 --> 00:24:17,160
Speaker 1: Trey Songs, they were going back and forth in each

437
00:24:17,160 --> 00:24:20,879
Speaker 1: other on Meek's Instagram about who's donated more to charity. Oh,

438
00:24:20,920 --> 00:24:23,399
Speaker 1: I didn't even hear about Yeah, And Trey commented on

439
00:24:23,520 --> 00:24:26,080
Speaker 1: Meek's account of him a picture of him holding several

440
00:24:26,160 --> 00:24:29,440
Speaker 1: hundred dollar bills um asking Meek to donate to a

441
00:24:29,520 --> 00:24:32,399
Speaker 1: good chot Uh, donate to a good cause. He used

442
00:24:32,400 --> 00:24:34,280
Speaker 1: to take some of them bands and accept the feed

443
00:24:34,320 --> 00:24:38,080
Speaker 1: your Community challenge, And so they kind of went back

444
00:24:38,119 --> 00:24:41,040
Speaker 1: and forth about how much money that they've donated. You know, Oh,

445
00:24:41,119 --> 00:24:46,960
Speaker 1: I've donated to Philadelphia schools. I helped raise fifty million

446
00:24:47,000 --> 00:24:49,440
Speaker 1: dollars for reform. You know, Meek Mills has been more

447
00:24:49,800 --> 00:24:52,320
Speaker 1: involved in the reform alliance, will be mentioning that in

448
00:24:52,680 --> 00:24:55,000
Speaker 1: future Yeah, I'm just gonna come up in a future episode.

449
00:24:55,720 --> 00:25:00,200
Speaker 1: But man like, yeah, no, there's something about the at

450
00:25:00,280 --> 00:25:05,080
Speaker 1: that's like, really, it feels kind of disconnected, don't you think,

451
00:25:05,400 --> 00:25:09,800
Speaker 1: especially given the exact moment of time that we're in

452
00:25:10,080 --> 00:25:13,639
Speaker 1: where we're under this hard to hit economic recession. It's like,

453
00:25:13,760 --> 00:25:18,840
Speaker 1: even though I understand they're talking about money being put

454
00:25:18,920 --> 00:25:21,400
Speaker 1: towards things that are I guess good causes, but still

455
00:25:21,560 --> 00:25:26,320
Speaker 1: there's there's something almost inherently gross about well, I dropped,

456
00:25:26,400 --> 00:25:30,359
Speaker 1: I raised fifine, like inherently a little gross. But like,

457
00:25:30,600 --> 00:25:33,040
Speaker 1: you know, we all pay taxes, we all pay taxes,

458
00:25:33,119 --> 00:25:36,880
Speaker 1: trade songs pay taxes, make male pay taxes. Probably, I mean,

459
00:25:37,040 --> 00:25:39,400
Speaker 1: I'm assuming they all pay taxes. I kind of pay

460
00:25:39,480 --> 00:25:42,600
Speaker 1: my taxes, but like, make the government fund these things.

461
00:25:42,680 --> 00:25:46,120
Speaker 1: We shouldn't be like groveling to celebrities to like feed

462
00:25:46,160 --> 00:25:49,120
Speaker 1: our communities and fund our schools. Like we all pay

463
00:25:49,160 --> 00:25:51,200
Speaker 1: into the system, we should all be getting in equal

464
00:25:51,240 --> 00:25:54,000
Speaker 1: benefit from it, which I guess is why I wish

465
00:25:54,119 --> 00:25:56,479
Speaker 1: people would spend more time on like calling for us

466
00:25:56,520 --> 00:25:59,920
Speaker 1: to to fund the fucking police than we do bickering

467
00:26:00,080 --> 00:26:03,080
Speaker 1: over who donates more money to those organizations that could

468
00:26:03,200 --> 00:26:06,400
Speaker 1: use that police funding instead. Yeah, I mean it's kind

469
00:26:06,400 --> 00:26:10,159
Speaker 1: of like, yeah, the saying that people say, like go

470
00:26:10,400 --> 00:26:12,600
Speaker 1: fund me shouldn't have to be a people's health care

471
00:26:12,680 --> 00:26:29,199
Speaker 1: plan exactly. All right. So for the music discussion, I mean,

472
00:26:29,600 --> 00:26:31,280
Speaker 1: first of all, speaking of music, did you get a

473
00:26:31,359 --> 00:26:34,399
Speaker 1: chance to watch any of the b t yours. I did. Um.

474
00:26:35,440 --> 00:26:38,000
Speaker 1: I saw you know, Anderson Pack shouting out the black

475
00:26:38,040 --> 00:26:40,360
Speaker 1: trans victims at the b t R A to thought,

476
00:26:40,400 --> 00:26:43,760
Speaker 1: I was dope, way to use your platform, because black

477
00:26:43,800 --> 00:26:45,920
Speaker 1: trans folks are definitely, i mean, like have the highest

478
00:26:46,000 --> 00:26:49,720
Speaker 1: rate murder rates of any population, and definitely when we

479
00:26:49,800 --> 00:26:52,960
Speaker 1: talk about saying their names, their names don't get said

480
00:26:53,040 --> 00:26:56,120
Speaker 1: as much because there's still a lot of like transphobia

481
00:26:56,160 --> 00:26:59,160
Speaker 1: and homophobia in the hip hop community, in the black community,

482
00:26:59,400 --> 00:27:01,760
Speaker 1: and then especially me to like haven't highlighted like that.

483
00:27:02,800 --> 00:27:04,640
Speaker 1: What do you think? I mean, I thought it was cool.

484
00:27:04,720 --> 00:27:06,399
Speaker 1: There was there was a lot of interesting things. It

485
00:27:06,560 --> 00:27:10,080
Speaker 1: was kind of odd. You know, it's still odd watching

486
00:27:10,160 --> 00:27:13,400
Speaker 1: these awards shows that are kind of live streamed now

487
00:27:13,720 --> 00:27:17,200
Speaker 1: with social distancing and stuff, it's it takes some getting

488
00:27:17,280 --> 00:27:18,960
Speaker 1: used to, but I thought there was some cool stuff.

489
00:27:19,000 --> 00:27:22,040
Speaker 1: I like that remix if you want to call it that,

490
00:27:22,240 --> 00:27:25,040
Speaker 1: or update of Fight the Power that they did. That's

491
00:27:25,040 --> 00:27:28,160
Speaker 1: what we are actually going to be going a bit

492
00:27:28,280 --> 00:27:30,960
Speaker 1: more in depth into the song Fight the Power of

493
00:27:31,000 --> 00:27:32,879
Speaker 1: the Public Enemy song Fight the Power. But at the

494
00:27:32,920 --> 00:27:36,000
Speaker 1: bat He Awards they did a rendition of it that

495
00:27:36,160 --> 00:27:39,800
Speaker 1: had partially the original song with Chuck the and Flavor Flavor,

496
00:27:39,960 --> 00:27:42,640
Speaker 1: but then they added in a verse from nas Rap

497
00:27:42,720 --> 00:27:46,400
Speaker 1: City Black. Thought y g it actually turned out really dope.

498
00:27:46,440 --> 00:27:50,640
Speaker 1: I liked it, um, but that just got me thinking

499
00:27:50,720 --> 00:27:53,440
Speaker 1: for the music discussion for this episode. You know, with

500
00:27:53,600 --> 00:27:56,080
Speaker 1: everything that's happened in the last month and some change,

501
00:27:57,040 --> 00:27:59,560
Speaker 1: there's actually been a good amount of music that's been

502
00:27:59,680 --> 00:28:03,359
Speaker 1: made either directly about the George Floyd murder or the

503
00:28:03,480 --> 00:28:07,000
Speaker 1: protests that have been going on ever since. So that's

504
00:28:07,000 --> 00:28:08,800
Speaker 1: what we're gonna be taking a look at today, which

505
00:28:09,480 --> 00:28:11,600
Speaker 1: you know, we might as well start with the Anderson

506
00:28:11,680 --> 00:28:16,520
Speaker 1: Pack Lockdown song. Let's check this out, sleep you Don't

507
00:28:16,560 --> 00:28:20,440
Speaker 1: eat screens when we kitchen feet down. Yeah, So Lockdown,

508
00:28:20,720 --> 00:28:24,439
Speaker 1: I think itself it addresses a number of intertwining political

509
00:28:24,520 --> 00:28:26,560
Speaker 1: crises that are in Gulf in the nation right now,

510
00:28:26,680 --> 00:28:30,480
Speaker 1: from the pandemic to rising unemployment rates, it's both uprising itself.

511
00:28:30,520 --> 00:28:33,840
Speaker 1: So lockdown here, could you used to refer to the

512
00:28:33,920 --> 00:28:38,640
Speaker 1: pandemic shutdowns of you know, businesses, bars, restaurants, et cetera,

513
00:28:39,320 --> 00:28:41,720
Speaker 1: or curfew is being put in place to stop people

514
00:28:41,720 --> 00:28:45,400
Speaker 1: from exercising their First Amendment rights. But I feel like

515
00:28:45,520 --> 00:28:47,680
Speaker 1: of the songs that we look at today, it's one

516
00:28:47,720 --> 00:28:50,160
Speaker 1: of the more incisive descriptions of the moment I've heard

517
00:28:50,360 --> 00:28:53,440
Speaker 1: because of its kind of all encompassing nature. But then

518
00:28:53,640 --> 00:28:57,400
Speaker 1: in describing you know, looting in first person, you speak

519
00:28:57,440 --> 00:28:59,600
Speaker 1: in some real ship about protest safety. When he says,

520
00:28:59,640 --> 00:29:02,080
Speaker 1: little to your gas, clear the whole place out, I'll

521
00:29:02,080 --> 00:29:04,160
Speaker 1: be back with the has Matt for the next round.

522
00:29:04,600 --> 00:29:06,840
Speaker 1: He was trying to protest and the fires broke out.

523
00:29:07,160 --> 00:29:08,960
Speaker 1: Look out for the secret agents. They'd be planted in

524
00:29:09,040 --> 00:29:12,720
Speaker 1: the crowd, Like this is some real ship Adan for vokaturs,

525
00:29:13,840 --> 00:29:16,520
Speaker 1: Anderson Pack is always dope, yo. I mean for me,

526
00:29:16,800 --> 00:29:19,040
Speaker 1: it's like I thought you didn't like those Singing rappers.

527
00:29:19,240 --> 00:29:22,000
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm not the biggest fan of the Singing Rappers,

528
00:29:22,120 --> 00:29:24,680
Speaker 1: but I kind of look at Anderson Pack Moore as

529
00:29:24,800 --> 00:29:27,760
Speaker 1: with a singer, so in that in that regards, this

530
00:29:27,800 --> 00:29:31,880
Speaker 1: seems more like he's a singer who is rapping, you

531
00:29:31,920 --> 00:29:33,760
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, which kind of makes the rapping

532
00:29:33,840 --> 00:29:36,280
Speaker 1: more impressive because it's like, oh man, he's like pretty

533
00:29:36,280 --> 00:29:37,840
Speaker 1: good for a guy who's how do you feel about

534
00:29:37,920 --> 00:29:41,080
Speaker 1: him making looting seem really cool in the song? It's interesting.

535
00:29:41,160 --> 00:29:43,840
Speaker 1: It's it makes it not preachy, you know what I'm saying.

536
00:29:43,960 --> 00:29:45,800
Speaker 1: It's not preachy. He's just like I'm on the I'm

537
00:29:45,840 --> 00:29:47,960
Speaker 1: on the boat, I'm on the boardwalk, I'm on the boulevard.

538
00:29:48,040 --> 00:29:50,880
Speaker 1: I'm putting the mannekins in my in the backshop, back

539
00:29:50,960 --> 00:29:53,440
Speaker 1: of my car. Like I mean, obviously I don't know

540
00:29:53,520 --> 00:29:56,200
Speaker 1: what he's thinking. I doubt that he means it literally,

541
00:29:56,400 --> 00:30:00,680
Speaker 1: but like yeah, I mean like for the art, it's

542
00:30:00,720 --> 00:30:02,520
Speaker 1: like you get get yourself in the mind frame of

543
00:30:02,560 --> 00:30:04,480
Speaker 1: the character that you're playing. I get that. Yeah, he's

544
00:30:04,480 --> 00:30:08,160
Speaker 1: still really powerful. What I perceived are probably fishings before

545
00:30:08,280 --> 00:30:11,160
Speaker 1: songs like Milk and Honey where he describes like, you know,

546
00:30:11,600 --> 00:30:14,320
Speaker 1: taking all this money from this sugar mama and then

547
00:30:14,440 --> 00:30:17,360
Speaker 1: like getting busted and going to jail with bricks. Yeah, exactly,

548
00:30:17,440 --> 00:30:20,720
Speaker 1: like you know, like, hey, yeah, it's a dope story. Yeah,

549
00:30:20,760 --> 00:30:23,760
Speaker 1: it's a dope story. Yeah yeah. Speaking of dope, the

550
00:30:23,880 --> 00:30:29,000
Speaker 1: next joint is front Lines by Conway. The Machine's killing

551
00:30:29,080 --> 00:30:33,600
Speaker 1: black people. Don't Caroline, don't get charged taking normal just press.

552
00:30:34,840 --> 00:30:37,959
Speaker 1: Griselda are always bringing that. He what did you think

553
00:30:38,000 --> 00:30:40,280
Speaker 1: about this? I thought this was interesting because it's kind

554
00:30:40,280 --> 00:30:42,880
Speaker 1: of like a mixture of this like a regular flex

555
00:30:43,040 --> 00:30:44,920
Speaker 1: rap in like the first verse, and then in like

556
00:30:45,000 --> 00:30:46,920
Speaker 1: the second and third verses he kind of gets into

557
00:30:47,000 --> 00:30:50,280
Speaker 1: like describing what he's seen on the news, and the

558
00:30:50,360 --> 00:30:52,640
Speaker 1: third verse he describes a black man getting pulled over

559
00:30:52,720 --> 00:30:55,160
Speaker 1: in the predicament of blackness in the situation, so like

560
00:30:55,280 --> 00:30:57,080
Speaker 1: if he reaches for his ID, they think it, they'll

561
00:30:57,080 --> 00:30:59,440
Speaker 1: think he's reaching for a gun. He puts his hands up,

562
00:30:59,520 --> 00:31:01,560
Speaker 1: it's still he runs away. They shoot him in the

563
00:31:01,680 --> 00:31:05,120
Speaker 1: bag um. And so like I thought that was interesting,

564
00:31:05,280 --> 00:31:07,360
Speaker 1: like how it's just sort of like seamlessly put into

565
00:31:07,400 --> 00:31:09,600
Speaker 1: this track that other watch it's about banging. It was

566
00:31:10,400 --> 00:31:13,239
Speaker 1: that's like that's like their usual style with Griselda, I mean,

567
00:31:13,320 --> 00:31:15,200
Speaker 1: and that's how the song kind of has that format

568
00:31:15,240 --> 00:31:17,280
Speaker 1: where it's like the first half of it, it's like

569
00:31:17,360 --> 00:31:20,840
Speaker 1: a typical you know, Griselda song, shoot him Up, bars flexing,

570
00:31:21,480 --> 00:31:24,200
Speaker 1: you know, I'm fly like that sort of stuff. But

571
00:31:24,600 --> 00:31:26,720
Speaker 1: Conway always has like a style where it's kind of

572
00:31:26,760 --> 00:31:29,640
Speaker 1: like a stream of consciousness sort of vibe to it.

573
00:31:30,240 --> 00:31:34,040
Speaker 1: So for me, you know, with the way that his

574
00:31:34,760 --> 00:31:37,880
Speaker 1: topics and subject matter normally just like go from one

575
00:31:37,960 --> 00:31:40,480
Speaker 1: thing to the next, for for him to just like

576
00:31:40,600 --> 00:31:43,680
Speaker 1: have a point in the verse where it's just dedicated

577
00:31:43,720 --> 00:31:45,720
Speaker 1: to this where it's like it goes from describing the

578
00:31:45,760 --> 00:31:49,280
Speaker 1: George watching the George Floyd tape to like then describing

579
00:31:49,400 --> 00:31:51,480
Speaker 1: the situation, you know, the conditions of black people and

580
00:31:51,560 --> 00:31:53,880
Speaker 1: believe it's just like you really, you know, he really

581
00:31:53,920 --> 00:31:56,000
Speaker 1: felt it. Especially as a fan who's listened to a

582
00:31:56,080 --> 00:31:58,040
Speaker 1: bunch of his music before, it's like, oh man, yeah

583
00:31:58,080 --> 00:32:00,080
Speaker 1: that this ship was really on his mind, you know,

584
00:32:00,200 --> 00:32:01,600
Speaker 1: I mean you just had to put that into the

585
00:32:01,680 --> 00:32:05,240
Speaker 1: song like that. And I'm also noticing with this this

586
00:32:05,480 --> 00:32:07,080
Speaker 1: in this, and it's in a lot of the other

587
00:32:07,160 --> 00:32:10,800
Speaker 1: songs that we have, is um you're kind of seeing

588
00:32:11,040 --> 00:32:15,240
Speaker 1: the effects of like how the media coverage of this

589
00:32:15,520 --> 00:32:17,520
Speaker 1: is kind of like affecting some of the music because

590
00:32:17,680 --> 00:32:22,920
Speaker 1: everybody is using samples from Yeah, this one, he samples

591
00:32:22,960 --> 00:32:26,760
Speaker 1: a newscaster describing the Third Precinct getting burnt down in Minneapolis. Yeah,

592
00:32:26,840 --> 00:32:28,560
Speaker 1: and you'll see that as a trend in a lot

593
00:32:28,640 --> 00:32:30,440
Speaker 1: of the other songs that we have to So then

594
00:32:30,520 --> 00:32:32,720
Speaker 1: up next we got Cupcakes Lemon Pepper, which is a

595
00:32:32,760 --> 00:32:37,120
Speaker 1: pretty standard ratchet track from this Chicago Spider. Let's check

596
00:32:37,160 --> 00:32:43,920
Speaker 1: it out down telling me great for an old wait,

597
00:32:44,240 --> 00:32:47,440
Speaker 1: I mean, I think it's dope that half proceeds are

598
00:32:47,480 --> 00:32:50,120
Speaker 1: going to the Ministry so to Freedom Fund to help

599
00:32:50,280 --> 00:32:54,440
Speaker 1: bail out those arrested over protests for George Floyd's murder.

600
00:32:55,160 --> 00:32:57,720
Speaker 1: I think it's an earnest gesture to me, because it's like,

601
00:32:58,440 --> 00:33:02,840
Speaker 1: like we're talking about earlier the questions, not everybody is

602
00:33:02,880 --> 00:33:06,440
Speaker 1: going to have the right words or even the desire

603
00:33:06,560 --> 00:33:09,760
Speaker 1: to speak directly on the situation. But if you want

604
00:33:09,800 --> 00:33:13,120
Speaker 1: to party and still contribute to the costs, help out

605
00:33:13,440 --> 00:33:15,680
Speaker 1: and contribute to it in some way, I think, you know,

606
00:33:16,080 --> 00:33:19,120
Speaker 1: I think the heart's in the right place. Yeah, for sure, definitely. Definitely.

607
00:33:19,760 --> 00:33:23,280
Speaker 1: Up next, we got probably, I would have to say,

608
00:33:23,440 --> 00:33:26,920
Speaker 1: just from what I've been seeing, is probably the most

609
00:33:27,040 --> 00:33:29,400
Speaker 1: popular song out of this crop of songs have been

610
00:33:29,440 --> 00:33:31,760
Speaker 1: made yeah, the bigger picture of violent a rapper a

611
00:33:31,760 --> 00:33:36,160
Speaker 1: little baby. Let's let's hear that real quick. That should

612
00:33:36,160 --> 00:33:41,720
Speaker 1: be were your thoughts on that? Um? So, I really

613
00:33:41,760 --> 00:33:45,000
Speaker 1: like this track because it's really uncomplicated lyrically, Unlike a

614
00:33:45,080 --> 00:33:47,400
Speaker 1: lot of political or conscious hip hop, which tends to

615
00:33:47,480 --> 00:33:50,760
Speaker 1: turn people off with some of its density. Um, it

616
00:33:50,840 --> 00:33:53,600
Speaker 1: gives off a defiant ambiance and tells a story or

617
00:33:53,680 --> 00:33:55,760
Speaker 1: like a train of thought that's fairly easy to follow.

618
00:33:55,920 --> 00:33:59,200
Speaker 1: And so, like, I think it's really powerful in its simplicity.

619
00:33:59,720 --> 00:34:02,200
Speaker 1: I think, even though like it's basic in terms of

620
00:34:02,320 --> 00:34:05,680
Speaker 1: rhyme schemes and stuff, he's flowing consistently throughout it. And

621
00:34:06,480 --> 00:34:08,680
Speaker 1: I mean I always think that, like you just said,

622
00:34:08,719 --> 00:34:11,960
Speaker 1: the biggest problem with sometimes when rappers are trying to

623
00:34:12,040 --> 00:34:15,960
Speaker 1: get across a message with songs, and sometimes they try

624
00:34:16,040 --> 00:34:20,080
Speaker 1: to pack a little bit too much information into the

625
00:34:20,200 --> 00:34:23,560
Speaker 1: lines and it kind of takes away from the song

626
00:34:23,719 --> 00:34:26,400
Speaker 1: sounds to someone's ear. So with this, it's just like

627
00:34:26,800 --> 00:34:29,160
Speaker 1: I was even just listening to this just for like

628
00:34:29,640 --> 00:34:31,800
Speaker 1: to write some notes on it. It's like I just

629
00:34:31,920 --> 00:34:33,480
Speaker 1: the next thing I knew I had listened to it

630
00:34:33,560 --> 00:34:36,120
Speaker 1: like twelve times in a row. Yeah, yeah, yeah, this

631
00:34:36,239 --> 00:34:40,080
Speaker 1: is really I dig it just because again, whenever it

632
00:34:40,200 --> 00:34:44,239
Speaker 1: feels real and it feels like it's honest, that's when

633
00:34:44,280 --> 00:34:47,359
Speaker 1: I really like, Yeah, you can really feel a little

634
00:34:47,440 --> 00:34:50,319
Speaker 1: baby working through. You know. He talks about like why

635
00:34:50,400 --> 00:34:52,520
Speaker 1: not start here? Why not start now? He might not

636
00:34:52,560 --> 00:34:54,520
Speaker 1: have always been involved in this kind of work, but

637
00:34:54,600 --> 00:34:57,719
Speaker 1: now he's here, and now he's showing up. Um, he's

638
00:34:57,760 --> 00:35:00,520
Speaker 1: working through various things. He thought some lines I saw

639
00:35:00,600 --> 00:35:02,920
Speaker 1: you pull out corrupt police been a problem where I'm from,

640
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Speaker 1: But I'd be lying if I said it was all

641
00:35:04,600 --> 00:35:08,440
Speaker 1: of them, just like an example exactly. It's a conflicted

642
00:35:08,560 --> 00:35:10,719
Speaker 1: nature just coming out there on the song, because like

643
00:35:11,520 --> 00:35:13,919
Speaker 1: he probably could have thought about that message a little

644
00:35:13,960 --> 00:35:16,640
Speaker 1: bit more like if you if you thought about if

645
00:35:16,680 --> 00:35:18,799
Speaker 1: he was thinking about it and thinking about what people thought,

646
00:35:19,000 --> 00:35:22,320
Speaker 1: he probably would have been like, man, maybe I shouldn't

647
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Speaker 1: say something good about the cops are. But he's presenting

648
00:35:24,840 --> 00:35:28,279
Speaker 1: a nuanced perspective that is like not always commonly found.

649
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Speaker 1: You found a lot of anti cops songs within the

650
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Speaker 1: hip hop literature, But to have a kind of a

651
00:35:33,520 --> 00:35:35,759
Speaker 1: nuanced perspective like that, to acknowledge that a lot of

652
00:35:35,840 --> 00:35:39,120
Speaker 1: people in our communities do trust the police or some

653
00:35:39,280 --> 00:35:41,359
Speaker 1: of them or see their utility, Like, I think it's

654
00:35:41,360 --> 00:35:44,279
Speaker 1: a needed counterpoint in this moment, even if I don't

655
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Speaker 1: necessarily agree. And then it's dope. On top of all

656
00:35:47,440 --> 00:35:50,440
Speaker 1: this that proceeds from the bigger picture are going to

657
00:35:50,560 --> 00:35:53,040
Speaker 1: the National Association of Black Journalists to be on A.

658
00:35:53,080 --> 00:35:55,799
Speaker 1: Taylor's Attorney, the Bail Project, as well as Black Lives Matter.

659
00:35:56,320 --> 00:36:01,239
Speaker 1: That's really dope. Yeah. Um up next we have um

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Speaker 1: de Smoke featuring Sir with the track let Go de

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Speaker 1: Smoke is the winner of the I Believe Rhythm and

662
00:36:09,040 --> 00:36:12,200
Speaker 1: Flow the netflace. Oh yeah, yah, yeah, I'm gonna check

663
00:36:12,239 --> 00:36:14,880
Speaker 1: this out. How are you supposed to protest with no

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Speaker 1: chest a big hot but they closed down at the

665
00:36:17,200 --> 00:36:21,000
Speaker 1: chance which you have. Yeah, that should smooth you know.

666
00:36:21,120 --> 00:36:24,000
Speaker 1: It's like an emotional ride where you go from hearing

667
00:36:24,040 --> 00:36:27,719
Speaker 1: him wax poetic about the black condition in the first verse,

668
00:36:27,760 --> 00:36:30,160
Speaker 1: and then in the second verse he's like it's really

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00:36:30,200 --> 00:36:32,520
Speaker 1: well wrapped. It's like a personal account of him being

670
00:36:32,600 --> 00:36:35,440
Speaker 1: pulled over by the cops. He even mentions how he

671
00:36:35,520 --> 00:36:37,680
Speaker 1: wrote the song. He wrote this verse on the day

672
00:36:37,719 --> 00:36:40,320
Speaker 1: that George Floyd died. Then the third verse he's like

673
00:36:40,440 --> 00:36:42,800
Speaker 1: a lot more animated, and he's like, funk this, you

674
00:36:42,840 --> 00:36:44,960
Speaker 1: know what I mean, kind of going in on the condition.

675
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Speaker 1: So it has that sort of build to a climax

676
00:36:47,960 --> 00:36:51,640
Speaker 1: that was really dope. I'm next, we got Dreys captured

677
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Speaker 1: on an iPhone, so this is Florida based Dre of

678
00:36:54,719 --> 00:36:56,759
Speaker 1: Cool and Dre, not to be confused with Dr Dre,

679
00:36:57,640 --> 00:37:00,800
Speaker 1: who dedicates this song to folks whose murders weren't filmed,

680
00:37:00,960 --> 00:37:03,839
Speaker 1: the folks that don't become hashtags. Like Will Smith said,

681
00:37:04,120 --> 00:37:06,799
Speaker 1: I think in two thousand sixteen, racism isn't getting worse,

682
00:37:06,920 --> 00:37:10,520
Speaker 1: it's getting filmed. It's just nice team that dropped somebody.

683
00:37:10,560 --> 00:37:15,960
Speaker 1: WI should ful for the soul is anything. So I

684
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Speaker 1: really love that he samples Girls Got Heron's The Revolution

685
00:37:19,640 --> 00:37:22,800
Speaker 1: will not be televised on Lockdown. Actually Jay Rock and

686
00:37:22,960 --> 00:37:25,960
Speaker 1: his feature talks about how the Revolution will not be televised,

687
00:37:26,000 --> 00:37:28,520
Speaker 1: and so I feel I'm like, I'm really stoked that

688
00:37:28,640 --> 00:37:31,719
Speaker 1: people are hearkening back to like the revolutionary roots of

689
00:37:31,960 --> 00:37:35,600
Speaker 1: spoken word that Gil kind of helped boost into the

690
00:37:35,760 --> 00:37:39,160
Speaker 1: mainstream back in his day. Like I'm glad we're kind

691
00:37:39,200 --> 00:37:42,240
Speaker 1: of circling back around to those ideas Now it's interesting

692
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Speaker 1: as well that Drey sizes his inspiration for the track

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Speaker 1: that he's a huge fan of m W. A Ice

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Speaker 1: cute public enemy in Tupac and that you know, they

695
00:37:51,640 --> 00:37:53,759
Speaker 1: spoke truth of power in their music and he felt

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00:37:53,800 --> 00:37:57,640
Speaker 1: compelled to do the same. Interestingly, he takes a different

697
00:37:57,680 --> 00:37:59,959
Speaker 1: stance on violence against cops than some of us IDOL

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Speaker 1: host when he says, in search for more than just

699
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Speaker 1: a message here, how about I send one spend the

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Speaker 1: block like the precinct up and hit a cop. You're crazy,

701
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Speaker 1: you're talking about killing cops? Fuck that all? I see

702
00:38:09,560 --> 00:38:11,800
Speaker 1: his ops popping iced tea in the drop, so like

703
00:38:12,680 --> 00:38:15,560
Speaker 1: he's like, no, niggas, don't be out here killing cops.

704
00:38:15,960 --> 00:38:20,160
Speaker 1: And he's very right. I interpreted that is not necessarily

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Speaker 1: a declaration, but again like one of those internal monologues,

706
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Speaker 1: because even it almost sounds like the you crazy, you're

707
00:38:26,520 --> 00:38:28,680
Speaker 1: talking about killing cops. You have a different voice to it.

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00:38:28,760 --> 00:38:33,279
Speaker 1: You cops, you talking about killing cops. It's like the

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Speaker 1: Angel and the devil. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, Okay, So

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Speaker 1: I really am excited to talk about My favorite track

711
00:38:40,840 --> 00:38:44,720
Speaker 1: in this whole crop is Terroris Martin featuring Denzel Curry Daylett,

712
00:38:44,719 --> 00:38:49,200
Speaker 1: and Kamassi Washington, as well as Chiparico, Pig Feetigee, so

713
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Speaker 1: fucking dope. Let's check this out, White Life, Stock Into Twilight,

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Speaker 1: sing Hot Prey, catch up with Mott You Mitchell, don't mind? Okay?

715
00:38:58,040 --> 00:39:00,640
Speaker 1: Instantly it gives me a rage against the machine kind

716
00:39:00,680 --> 00:39:03,560
Speaker 1: of vibe for work. But then commosity of Watchington with

717
00:39:03,640 --> 00:39:06,680
Speaker 1: the Sacks also puts this layer like seventies black sportation

718
00:39:06,800 --> 00:39:10,160
Speaker 1: film score in it. You know what that Sacks reminds

719
00:39:10,200 --> 00:39:14,200
Speaker 1: me of? Um, have you ever seen Spike Leaves Malcolm X. Yeah,

720
00:39:14,440 --> 00:39:18,239
Speaker 1: the score was done by Terrence Blanchard, and it has

721
00:39:18,360 --> 00:39:21,040
Speaker 1: like that sort of crazy, wildly jazz sax to it

722
00:39:21,440 --> 00:39:24,000
Speaker 1: that really reminds me of that. I thought that that

723
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Speaker 1: was the almost I wonder if that was the field

724
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Speaker 1: that they were going forward. Yeah yeah, but um yeah

725
00:39:28,480 --> 00:39:33,800
Speaker 1: another song is really good Daylights Verse, very impressionistic, like

726
00:39:33,920 --> 00:39:35,520
Speaker 1: I kind of don't know what the fun he's talking about,

727
00:39:35,560 --> 00:39:38,560
Speaker 1: but I feel it. I feel it though, so and

728
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Speaker 1: then I like how you know? In the first first

729
00:39:40,920 --> 00:39:43,520
Speaker 1: of Zel refers to the class of Snoop Dog line

730
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Speaker 1: for Dr Dre's ninety two Little Ghetto Boy, when he

731
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Speaker 1: talks about murder. Was the case that gave me another

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Speaker 1: throwback to some O G some O G lines, Um,

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Speaker 1: what do you think about? So? Like, in contrast to

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Speaker 1: the devil on either shoulder in the dre song the

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Speaker 1: Cool and Cool and dre Um, this one. In the

736
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Speaker 1: intro woman is hurt, screaming because I'm not in person

737
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Speaker 1: which has killed on the police. And then halfway through

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Speaker 1: the song her voice is hurt again and the man

739
00:40:11,200 --> 00:40:12,680
Speaker 1: is heard calling for it, told me to swing the

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00:40:12,719 --> 00:40:16,880
Speaker 1: car around, and him cocking a gun for revenge again.

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Speaker 1: I don't necessarily think that everything that every depiction is advocacy,

742
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Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. So just because a song

743
00:40:27,960 --> 00:40:30,560
Speaker 1: is bringing for at that point of view, I don't

744
00:40:30,640 --> 00:40:35,000
Speaker 1: think that the instant message for that is, oh, let's

745
00:40:35,040 --> 00:40:36,840
Speaker 1: get a gun and go fight, you know, shoot shoot

746
00:40:36,880 --> 00:40:40,840
Speaker 1: cops and get revenge. It's just it's just painting, like

747
00:40:40,920 --> 00:40:44,120
Speaker 1: a mind frame and like, you know, a state of

748
00:40:44,160 --> 00:40:45,960
Speaker 1: mind that people are in. People are hurting, you know,

749
00:40:46,000 --> 00:40:49,280
Speaker 1: I'm saying, people are angry, people are upset, and that's

750
00:40:49,320 --> 00:40:52,719
Speaker 1: what art is for, you know. I mean, that's just me.

751
00:40:52,840 --> 00:40:56,200
Speaker 1: I don't I don't believe that. I don't believe that

752
00:40:56,280 --> 00:40:57,960
Speaker 1: share that controls your brain. I know better than that.

753
00:40:58,040 --> 00:41:00,359
Speaker 1: That's game. And then of course we've got to talk

754
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Speaker 1: about r t J four, which was already slated to

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Speaker 1: come out and then dilated to come out a little

756
00:41:06,480 --> 00:41:09,000
Speaker 1: bit later, but they released it early, and they released

757
00:41:09,040 --> 00:41:11,200
Speaker 1: it kind of for free where you could just stream it,

758
00:41:11,360 --> 00:41:14,240
Speaker 1: you can get it. So but they've already I've always

759
00:41:14,280 --> 00:41:17,920
Speaker 1: embraced this revolutionary aesthetic, if not like over you know,

760
00:41:18,320 --> 00:41:21,319
Speaker 1: I mean just listening to it. You hear you hear

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00:41:21,840 --> 00:41:24,719
Speaker 1: lines and gems throughout the album where you're like, damn,

762
00:41:24,880 --> 00:41:26,920
Speaker 1: this motherfucker's right the shoot like now you know what

763
00:41:26,960 --> 00:41:29,759
Speaker 1: I'm saying. Right, they've kind of been about that life.

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Speaker 1: I mean, like it's it's a brutal contrast between what

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Speaker 1: Kilor Mike had to say in his press conference with

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Speaker 1: Atlanta Mayor Kisha Lance bottoms Um when violence was starting

767
00:41:42,239 --> 00:41:47,040
Speaker 1: to break out in Atlanta Um urging people to you know, vote,

768
00:41:47,840 --> 00:41:51,560
Speaker 1: urging people to not burn stuff down because of all

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Speaker 1: the black businesses in Atlanta, versus this nigga has been about,

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Speaker 1: Like when you nigga's going to unite and killed the Polis.

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00:41:58,040 --> 00:42:01,600
Speaker 1: Motherfucker's for like years, and so like I just have

772
00:42:01,719 --> 00:42:03,360
Speaker 1: to take it with a grain of salt. It's like

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Speaker 1: you think I want to put on and like Bob too,

774
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Speaker 1: as I like get hyped up to go out in

775
00:42:08,800 --> 00:42:11,160
Speaker 1: the streets and stuff. But like I mean, I hear you.

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00:42:11,239 --> 00:42:13,480
Speaker 1: This is another one of those instances where it's like,

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Speaker 1: I think rappers have the freedom or artists have the

778
00:42:17,320 --> 00:42:19,920
Speaker 1: freedom to not be literal and everything that they do,

779
00:42:20,480 --> 00:42:24,080
Speaker 1: you know. But also it's like the music clashing with

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Speaker 1: the realities of real life. I don't know. Maybe we

781
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Speaker 1: can ask him about this one day. We'll ask him

782
00:42:28,080 --> 00:42:30,399
Speaker 1: one day. We'll ask him one day. My favorite line

783
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Speaker 1: on r t J four though, is when he is

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Speaker 1: when Mike goes, I support the sex workers unionized and

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Speaker 1: their services. Shout out of the sex worker. I know

786
00:42:38,600 --> 00:42:41,479
Speaker 1: it's hard times in a pandemic for y'all. Hazard pay.

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Speaker 1: The main reason that the RTJ is honorable mention there

788
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Speaker 1: is just because of when it was made. Because a

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Speaker 1: lot of as a matter of fact, I think all

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Speaker 1: of the songs that we actually put on the list,

791
00:42:51,080 --> 00:42:55,600
Speaker 1: we're actually written and reported in this last month. So

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00:42:57,040 --> 00:43:00,640
Speaker 1: and with that is our episode best it you feel

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Speaker 1: like rapping of course I feel like rapping you guys

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Speaker 1: want to hear us rap. Of course you want to

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Speaker 1: hear his rap. Let's get a beat. Oh yeah, yeah, dope,

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Speaker 1: uh so boof for dot but not that proper stuff

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Speaker 1: for substenance, more like some squash it. But I'm not

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Speaker 1: processed for pumpkin dip cup for the lumps in it,

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Speaker 1: but at the west move. So the assumption is the

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Speaker 1: substance win a really honestly haven't said nothing yet, equal

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Speaker 1: parts exhibitionists and for punishment people hearted existeptualists not really

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Speaker 1: publishing better bill caps so fat well. If you understood,

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Speaker 1: you'd understand that these stands is a functionally subject list.

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Speaker 1: But I guess it's a cut up up all the

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Speaker 1: duck from the dumpster ship that radio is relish. The

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Speaker 1: club's bumping the youngsters nick watched me, whip, watched me name,

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Speaker 1: they watched me get fucking puffing it for profit bust

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Speaker 1: some highly accompas Harvard economists sits book on the flip

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Speaker 1: Dot Martin's propped on the complets of all the workers

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Speaker 1: and all of the optics who attick to get the

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Speaker 1: OPTI stick quickly hollow dot liscens watching they Benjaminton the

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Speaker 1: Washington thought Dwy and Richard entertain the cooks for it

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Speaker 1: political never get any place, and said, I'm straightning metal

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Speaker 1: for as up in my kitchen, A senting then the

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Speaker 1: great and sending the Hey, yo. This is the story

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Speaker 1: y'all about how the Knife came up with a new

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Speaker 1: lifestyle that you like. Wow, I'm try of seeing u

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Speaker 1: y style. I'm sucking pissed. I ain't trying to be

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Speaker 1: too nice now. It all started at age six, when

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Speaker 1: I came to hate this makeshift made trix I'm talking

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Speaker 1: about fake ship. Then I became eight bitch like I

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Speaker 1: got a facelift the grapes Hip, and then I got

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Speaker 1: the urge to say ship thirteen. I went crazy and

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Speaker 1: thoughted to hear things. I thought I could rebel a

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Speaker 1: bit if I get in a piercing ear ring. I

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Speaker 1: didn't give a damn with my pierced thing. And then

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Speaker 1: I got crazy, started thinking the weird things, like being

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Speaker 1: on a motherfucking podcast where I could grab the microphone

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Speaker 1: and hear the bomb bass talk Helen ship like a

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Speaker 1: militant still equipped. The wrapper is rapping like you were literate.

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Speaker 1: I've been dope since I was a little kid. Now

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Speaker 1: I'm just sitting here, wrapping until I'm skinny with the

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Speaker 1: little ribs. I'm eating so many rappers. I need to

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Speaker 1: get a bib. We're about to end. To see you next.

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Speaker 1: We can hear our ship. See you next week. My

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Speaker 1: name's Dope Knife. We are waiting on reparations. Hurry up.

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Speaker 1: Waiting on Reparations is a production of I Heart Radio.

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