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Speaker 2: Are there parallels to times in history where this psychosis

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Speaker 2: We're doing something most of you guys have been in

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Speaker 1: I remember some years ago my friends at the Tenth

444
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Speaker 1: Amendment Center, who are also based in California, they came

445
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Speaker 1: up they were not happy with the NSA because we

446
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Speaker 1: you know, even if they say, well, we're not engaged

447
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Speaker 1: in dragnet collection of information.

448
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Speaker 3: We don't know what they're actually up to.

449
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Speaker 1: I mean maybe they're lying, you know. So they wanted

450
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Speaker 1: to do something about the NSA. But what really could

451
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Speaker 1: the States do about the NSA. Well, they've got this

452
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Speaker 1: huge facility in Utah, and it turns out that it

453
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Speaker 1: requires some ungodly amount of cold water every day to

454
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Speaker 1: cool the machines. I mean it is unbelieve I forget

455
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Speaker 1: what the number is, but it is astronomical.

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Speaker 3: And they came up with the idea, what if Utah.

457
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Speaker 1: Just turned off the water? Just no one ever thought

458
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Speaker 1: we have all these billion dollar a year think tanks.

459
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Speaker 1: Now it was the shoe string budget Tenth Amendment Center

460
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Speaker 1: that thought, what if we just turn off the water. Now, unfortunately,

461
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Speaker 1: you'd have to have a legislature with some spine to

462
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Speaker 1: turn off the water because the NSA knows all the

463
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Speaker 1: peccadillos of everybody in that legislation, you know.

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Speaker 3: But so it didn't happen.

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Speaker 1: But the point is at least they're thinking in new

466
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Speaker 1: and interesting ways.

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Speaker 2: So we are starting to see that. I want to

468
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Speaker 2: take a second, just real quick, to just give you

469
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Speaker 2: a reminder. The reminder is take control of your bitcoin. Look,

470
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Speaker 2: for the first time in history, we have a way

471
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Speaker 2: to preserve our property, take custody of our property and

472
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Speaker 2: protect it with no cost. You can't do that with gold,

473
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Speaker 2: you can't do it with your stocks, and so we

474
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Speaker 2: can do it with bitcoin, and you should. Now don't

475
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Speaker 2: store it on an app on your phone that can

476
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Speaker 2: get hacked. What you want to do is use a

477
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Speaker 2: hardware device something like this Treasure right here. So basically

478
00:21:40,040 --> 00:21:42,159
Speaker 2: your private key sits here. When you want to do

479
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Speaker 2: a transaction, you plug it into your computer, sign the transaction.

480
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Speaker 2: When you're done, you unplug it and put it back

481
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Speaker 2: into your safe. I've used Treasure for now, I don't know,

482
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Speaker 2: six seven years, because I think it's the easiest one

483
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Speaker 2: to use. I've tried I think pretty much all of them.

484
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Speaker 2: And it's also open source, so you can trust the code.

485
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Speaker 2: And again it's easy. Why easy Because if it's true complex,

486
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Speaker 2: it makes me think of how many potential holes and

487
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Speaker 2: risk there could be, not just in the device itself,

488
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Speaker 2: but even in my own ability to secure it. So

489
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Speaker 2: I want something fast, I want something easy, and I

490
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Speaker 2: don't want something safe.

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Speaker 4: That's why I use Treasure. And if you don't use Treasure,

492
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Speaker 4: use something.

493
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Speaker 2: Please get your bitcoin off the exchange, use a hardware

494
00:22:17,880 --> 00:22:20,560
Speaker 2: device to secure your private key, and if you like Treasure,

495
00:22:20,680 --> 00:22:23,360
Speaker 2: check out the link down below. Now kind of going

496
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Speaker 2: back into the book then, so you've written this book

497
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Speaker 2: and really the psychosis of the pandemic, So I don't

498
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Speaker 2: know if you want to talk about that specifically, because

499
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Speaker 2: it seems like we have back to the mass formation

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Speaker 2: psychosis from that. But even with what's happening with the

501
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Speaker 2: Biden administration today, where like the people seem to be

502
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Speaker 2: mesmerized or you know whatever in this psychosis and then

503
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Speaker 2: there's something that could like pull them out of it.

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Speaker 2: So it seems like it's happening all around the country

505
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Speaker 2: in different areas, but at the same time, and maybe

506
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Speaker 2: that's because we have this narrative, this mainstream media that

507
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Speaker 2: continues to pound that in. Let's talk about the psychecoasis

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Speaker 2: that you uncovered in the book.

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Speaker 1: Well, what I had in mind when I used that

510
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Speaker 1: was that I felt like on some issues I could

511
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Speaker 1: sit people down and we could weigh the pros and

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Speaker 1: cons and you know, maybe find a middle ground or something.

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Speaker 4: But on Raxenal mid ground, yeah, you.

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Speaker 1: Know, and maybe we wouldn't each we wouldn't all get

515
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Speaker 1: what we want, but we'd all get something and we'd

516
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Speaker 1: walk away reasonably satisfied. But with this, it just didn't

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Speaker 1: seem possible. Like I just mentioned on my panel that

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Speaker 1: when Jay Bodicharia at Stanford was doing his work trying

519
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Speaker 1: to see if these panicked figures about death rates were true,

520
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Speaker 1: he said, I can't replicate this. It actually seems to

521
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Speaker 1: be far far lower. You would think people would say, oh, well,

522
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Speaker 1: that's potentially really good news, or let's have everybody hash

523
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Speaker 1: this out and see what the answer is.

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Speaker 3: They wanted to lynch the guy.

525
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Speaker 1: And yet why why would it be.

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Speaker 3: Bad to hear good news?

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Speaker 1: Or like when when Georgia, which was one of the

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Speaker 1: first states to reopen. When Georgia reopened, it was almost

529
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Speaker 1: like people wanted to see carnage in Georgia. They couldn't

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Speaker 1: just say, well, let's pray that it turns out well

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Speaker 1: and we'll see what happens. It was they're going to

532
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Speaker 1: get what's coming to them because they don't believe in

533
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Speaker 1: science or whatever. But the quote unquote scientists didn't know

534
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Speaker 1: what the hell was going on either, because when you

535
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Speaker 1: actually asked them, and thank goodness for them, we have

536
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Speaker 1: a completely lapdog media that was never going to ask them,

537
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Speaker 1: but eventually they did start getting asked, how come the

538
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Speaker 1: lockdown states don't seem to be doing any particularly better

539
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Speaker 1: than the ones that aren't locked down When you actually

540
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Speaker 1: cornered them on it, they really didn't know.

541
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Speaker 3: They didn't really have an answer.

542
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Speaker 1: But this kind of psyche I think it was a psychosis,

543
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Speaker 1: where again, like if you disagree with Sweden's leis a

544
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Speaker 1: fair policy, you could at least say, well, I really

545
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Speaker 1: think they're being reckless and irresponsible, but you know, for

546
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Speaker 1: the sake of humanity, I hope it works out for them.

547
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Speaker 1: Was not the attitude how they were wishing death.

548
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Speaker 3: They were wishing.

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Speaker 1: I mean, that's not normal, and some of it, really,

550
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Speaker 1: I think, boils down to this is my one chance

551
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Speaker 1: in life to be important, you know, Like we know

552
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Speaker 1: Willie Lomax in Death of a Salesman.

553
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Speaker 3: He just wanted to matter.

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Speaker 1: Everybody wants to matter on some level. And here was

555
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Speaker 1: your opportunity to matter.

556
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Speaker 3: And the kicker was you didn't have to do anything.

557
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Speaker 1: You had to just stay home and lecture everybody else

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Speaker 1: on their moral inferiority to you.

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Speaker 3: And that was a hard thing for a lot of

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Speaker 3: people to give up.

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Speaker 1: And I hate to reduce it to that because I

562
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Speaker 1: do try to be charitable and I try to understand

563
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Speaker 1: the way other people think such that I feel like

564
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Speaker 1: I know what my opponents think way better than they

565
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Speaker 1: know what I think. But yet in this case, it's

566
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Speaker 1: hard to escape that conclusion.

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Speaker 2: I think it's somewhat natural, though, in human tendencies to

568
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Speaker 2: say I'm playing by the rules, and anyone else would

569
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Speaker 2: play by the rules as well. I am certainly no

570
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Speaker 2: fan of the government and in the big regulations that

571
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Speaker 2: we have, and you know, I'm mostly in the financial space,

572
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Speaker 2: and there's heavy regulations around that, specifically around securities and

573
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Speaker 2: things like that, and so like, we're abiding by the rules,

574
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Speaker 2: but then I see all these other people that aren't,

575
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Speaker 2: and I'm like, well, I think those regulations should be

576
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Speaker 2: gone anyway, but since they should probably be abiding and

577
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Speaker 2: so it's like I've made the sacrifice, you should also,

578
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Speaker 2: And so maybe that's what these people.

579
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Speaker 1: Yeah, there's some of that. But even when like so

580
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Speaker 1: the strict restrictions would be lifted, they still wanted to

581
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Speaker 1: abide by them, you know, and they still thought you

582
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Speaker 1: were wrong not to. Like when it was June twenty

583
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Speaker 1: twenty one, when Andrew Cuomo decided that a certain threshold

584
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Speaker 1: had been met, he said, when seventy percent of the

585
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Speaker 1: city is vaccinated, will reopen. And in June twenty twenty one,

586
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Speaker 1: they reached that number, and he kept his pledge.

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Speaker 3: He reopened.

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Speaker 1: And up to that point, if you were to follow

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Speaker 1: him on Twitter or whatever, you would see he had

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Speaker 1: a lot of people supporting his leadership quote unquote during

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Speaker 1: that time. But here he is exactly the same person

592
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Speaker 1: he always was, and he said, okay, now we got

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Speaker 1: to reopen.

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Speaker 3: They couldn't take it.

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Speaker 1: You look at Twitter on that tweet, they went berserk.

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Speaker 3: Well wait a minute, but you like they're still terrified.

597
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Speaker 1: They still believe, but it's not just they're still terrified,

598
00:27:15,359 --> 00:27:17,880
Speaker 1: it's that well but wait, now I can't do this anymore,

599
00:27:17,920 --> 00:27:21,119
Speaker 1: Like this was this gave me meaning, and so it

600
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Speaker 1: wasn't so much we're following Andrew Cuomo, which I thought

601
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Speaker 1: it was.

602
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Speaker 3: I thought they were following Andrew Conma. They weren't.

603
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Speaker 1: When he changed his mind, they went berserk. Yeah, you know,

604
00:27:30,520 --> 00:27:32,920
Speaker 1: so like that you're allowed to do it. So now

605
00:27:32,960 --> 00:27:36,399
Speaker 1: the restrictions are lifted. They didn't want them to go away,

606
00:27:36,440 --> 00:27:38,439
Speaker 1: even though all they have to do is turn their

607
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Speaker 1: heads slightly and see the rest of the country and

608
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Speaker 1: see that everybody has resumed normal life and there aren't

609
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Speaker 1: corpses lining the streets.

610
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Speaker 3: All you have to do is just look a little.

611
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Speaker 3: And they just couldn't do it.

612
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Speaker 2: Yeah, and even to this day you still see people

613
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Speaker 2: walking around.

614
00:27:52,320 --> 00:27:53,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I'm like, don't.

615
00:27:53,400 --> 00:27:53,879
Speaker 4: They see it?

616
00:27:53,920 --> 00:27:54,719
Speaker 3: And I want to say to them.

617
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Speaker 1: Google Cochrane review, which which absolutely demolished the case for masks.

618
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Speaker 1: I mean, basically you can summarize that meta study with

619
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Speaker 1: it is irrational to mask even with the I call

620
00:28:06,040 --> 00:28:08,280
Speaker 1: them suffocation masks or.

621
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Speaker 3: Or duck masks.

622
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Speaker 1: Like, I want to quack at these people when I

623
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Speaker 1: walk by, Why are you doing this? They mandated that

624
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Speaker 1: kind of mask in Berlin and also in all of Bavaria.

625
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Speaker 1: And then if you if you plot the numbers, here's

626
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Speaker 1: Germany overall, here's Berlin and Bavaria.

627
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Speaker 3: You tell me the difference. You cannot tell the difference.

628
00:28:26,080 --> 00:28:26,879
Speaker 4: Now again, we're.

629
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Speaker 2: Talking about this brand new book that came out, the

630
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Speaker 2: Psychosis Diary Diary Psychosis. So on the on the landing

631
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Speaker 2: page for that, you know, you're kind of setting up

632
00:28:34,600 --> 00:28:36,920
Speaker 2: the book, and then you say, but then people who

633
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Speaker 2: were paying attention notice something, and so that's the data.

634
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Speaker 2: I'm guessing that's so what was it that they noticed exactly?

635
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Speaker 1: Okay, So the website we're talking about is Diary of

636
00:28:46,520 --> 00:28:49,280
Speaker 1: covid dot com dot com and that is I am

637
00:28:49,320 --> 00:28:51,440
Speaker 1: so happy with that. It has like a two minute

638
00:28:51,480 --> 00:28:54,200
Speaker 1: video on there that is so good. I don't know

639
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Speaker 1: how people have the talents they have in the Internet

640
00:28:56,600 --> 00:28:59,040
Speaker 1: age where they could take they could make such a

641
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Speaker 1: beautiful book pro video.

642
00:29:01,080 --> 00:29:02,080
Speaker 3: I love it so much.

643
00:29:02,360 --> 00:29:04,720
Speaker 1: It inspires me and I think, geez, I better read

644
00:29:04,760 --> 00:29:05,480
Speaker 1: whatever book this is.

645
00:29:05,520 --> 00:29:07,640
Speaker 3: Oh wait, that's my book, Like that's how good this video?

646
00:29:08,160 --> 00:29:13,479
Speaker 1: But so I started looking around to see if there

647
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Speaker 1: were any voices other than the panicked ones, like, was

648
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Speaker 1: there anybody saying, now, wait a minute, hold on a minute.

649
00:29:18,720 --> 00:29:22,880
Speaker 1: This this might be a problem, but not like society

650
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Speaker 1: level destruction, you know, catastrophic. So I wanted to see

651
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Speaker 1: are there any such people?

652
00:29:29,640 --> 00:29:31,920
Speaker 3: And little by little I started to find them.

653
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Speaker 1: And first of all, at first we started I started

654
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Speaker 1: to notice, like, for example, we had Google mobility data,

655
00:29:37,520 --> 00:29:39,880
Speaker 1: because you know, Google knows when you're driving around because

656
00:29:39,880 --> 00:29:43,280
Speaker 1: you're using the GPS functionality, so it knows when people

657
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Speaker 1: are moving around and when they're staying home and staying safe.

658
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Speaker 1: And it turned out that that correlated with nothing, and

659
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Speaker 1: you think, but it should, you know, it seems like

660
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Speaker 1: it should like if I stay home, that should be

661
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Speaker 1: that should help, and yet it correlated with nothing. And

662
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Speaker 1: so that which led me me to think we are

663
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Speaker 1: like cave men trying to understand a semiconductor, like this

664
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Speaker 1: is so far beyond our ability to understand what's going

665
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Speaker 1: on here, and I just want somebody to say, we

666
00:30:12,880 --> 00:30:15,200
Speaker 1: really don't understand this as well as we thought. And

667
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Speaker 1: in fact, what's the guy's name? I'll think of his

668
00:30:18,800 --> 00:30:22,040
Speaker 1: name later, but one of the Biden COVID advisors. He

669
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Speaker 1: was at the University of Minnesota, and I'll think of

670
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Speaker 1: his name, but even he said, we are in the

671
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Speaker 1: dark ages when it comes to understanding viruses.

672
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Speaker 3: And he was a guy.

673
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Speaker 1: Who late in November twenty twenty was saying we need

674
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Speaker 1: to go back and have a much harder lockdown than

675
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Speaker 1: we had in March. Even he said that, and now

676
00:30:43,520 --> 00:30:46,120
Speaker 1: he says there is no role for lockdowns whatsoever. Now

677
00:30:46,280 --> 00:30:49,600
Speaker 1: could you go from we have to lock absolutely everything

678
00:30:49,640 --> 00:30:51,400
Speaker 1: down to there's no role for this.

679
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Speaker 3: Strategy at all.

680
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Speaker 1: That goes to show me that the knowledge we have

681
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Speaker 1: is pitiful.

682
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Speaker 3: Compared to what we need to have.

683
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Speaker 1: So anyway, so the Google mobility data then we had

684
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Speaker 1: very early, like still in the spring, there was an

685
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Speaker 1: Iceland the study out of Iceland. It was a contact

686
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Speaker 1: tracing study that concluded that schools could open, It's.

687
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Speaker 3: Gonna be no problem.

688
00:31:13,000 --> 00:31:15,560
Speaker 1: And indeed they you know, in Sweden, they kept the

689
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Speaker 1: schools open and in fact, teachers compared to any other profession, actually.

690
00:31:21,120 --> 00:31:23,760
Speaker 3: Did better health wise. So there was.

691
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Speaker 1: Data coming out very early on suggesting at the very

692
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Speaker 1: least that you could try opening up and yet when

693
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Speaker 1: they did that, Georgia was referred to as a state

694
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Speaker 1: that is trying to become the number one death destination

695
00:31:39,960 --> 00:31:42,880
Speaker 1: in America. Yeah, that's that's just bizarre.

696
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I remember Biden's PSA in the wintertime.

697
00:31:46,880 --> 00:31:49,120
Speaker 1: Oh well, we never forget that one the winter.

698
00:31:48,880 --> 00:31:50,760
Speaker 4: Of death and everyone's going to die.

699
00:31:51,560 --> 00:31:53,880
Speaker 2: None of that stuff has been backtracked if we move

700
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Speaker 2: forward and we keep talking about the psychosis that seems

701
00:31:56,000 --> 00:31:59,080
Speaker 2: to be sweeping the country now, even into the Biden regime,

702
00:31:59,760 --> 00:32:03,360
Speaker 2: was incoherent and competent dementia. Was he not all of

703
00:32:03,360 --> 00:32:05,360
Speaker 2: a sudden everybody. It was sort of like this Emperor

704
00:32:05,360 --> 00:32:07,840
Speaker 2: wears no clothes event where everybody knew he was. But

705
00:32:07,880 --> 00:32:11,080
Speaker 2: now it's open. So we have this psychosis and it's

706
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Speaker 2: seemingly driving people apart. So we talked now back to

707
00:32:14,400 --> 00:32:16,960
Speaker 2: the centralization of the US and maybe some of the states.

708
00:32:17,240 --> 00:32:19,640
Speaker 2: We're really starting to see this divide between the red

709
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Speaker 2: and the blue states, and we're starting to see this

710
00:32:21,440 --> 00:32:26,240
Speaker 2: divide in people's thinking by the regime, how COVID was handled, etc.

711
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Speaker 2: I'm just curious, then, when you look through the long

712
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Speaker 2: lens of history, which you're an expert and you've studied extensively.

713
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Speaker 2: Are there parallels to times in history where this psychosis

714
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Speaker 2: has really divided these people? We've seen this division, and

715
00:32:40,000 --> 00:32:41,800
Speaker 2: is there a way to come back together from that.

716
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Speaker 1: I think what makes this different, even though it sounds

717
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Speaker 1: like a cliche, is the impact of social media, because

718
00:32:49,760 --> 00:32:51,800
Speaker 1: it has been a double edged sword.

719
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Speaker 3: On the one hand, I wouldn't want.

720
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Speaker 1: To be without it because I've met just some of

721
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Speaker 1: the best people in the world through it, and I've

722
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Speaker 1: been able to gather information that I wouldn't have known

723
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Speaker 1: about otherwise, So I admit that. But I also feel

724
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Speaker 1: like even though the Internet gave tremendous scope for everyone

725
00:33:10,320 --> 00:33:15,160
Speaker 1: to express individuality, it also I think accelerated tribalism because

726
00:33:15,200 --> 00:33:19,640
Speaker 1: everybody instantly knows what everybody else on earth is thinking simultaneously.

727
00:33:19,960 --> 00:33:23,360
Speaker 1: And I don't think we're wired for that, and I

728
00:33:23,400 --> 00:33:26,040
Speaker 1: don't think everybody needs to have an opinion on everything

729
00:33:26,120 --> 00:33:28,080
Speaker 1: under the sun. But now they feel like, well, my

730
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Speaker 1: tribe says, because I see that all over the world

731
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Speaker 1: everybody's wearing this has this emoji, so I guess I

732
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Speaker 1: better have this emoji. It's like the same mentality that

733
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Speaker 1: whereby in high school you would have died a thousand

734
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Speaker 1: deaths rather than have to leave the popular kids club. Now,

735
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Speaker 1: I never had that problem, as you can probably imagine, right.

736
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Speaker 3: You know, all.

737
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Speaker 1: Woods was in his own little nerdy group. But I

738
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Speaker 1: know there were people who they would die before having

739
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Speaker 1: to be the only one who thought a certain way.

740
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Speaker 3: And I think there is some.

741
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Speaker 1: Of that that we crave being part of a tribe,

742
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Speaker 1: you know, and there's something about our nature. And so

743
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Speaker 1: if if the elites tell me I'm supposed to think

744
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Speaker 1: a certain way, That's what I'm gonna do.

745
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Speaker 3: Now, I don't think people.

746
00:34:11,960 --> 00:34:16,280
Speaker 1: Actually go through that thought process. I don't think they say, well,

747
00:34:16,360 --> 00:34:19,160
Speaker 1: the elites have told me x therefore it's just instinctive.

748
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Speaker 1: It's like when economists say that incentives matter. It's not

749
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Speaker 1: so much that somebody sits down and says, well, if

750
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Speaker 1: I have another child out of wedlock, I get this benefit.

751
00:34:30,080 --> 00:34:34,080
Speaker 1: They don't necessarily sit down and write it out. But

752
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Speaker 1: but you understand my point that it's it's it's more

753
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Speaker 1: of a it might have a marginal effect of pushing

754
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Speaker 1: somebody over, and and so I think that has really

755
00:34:43,719 --> 00:34:47,400
Speaker 1: been like it's so now people feel like they know

756
00:34:47,480 --> 00:34:51,000
Speaker 1: what all their favorite actors think instantly, all their favorite musicians.

757
00:34:51,160 --> 00:34:53,400
Speaker 1: They know what the the what academia thinks. They know,

758
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Speaker 1: they know that what the president's golf handicap is. They

759
00:34:56,600 --> 00:34:59,400
Speaker 1: know that Jefferson didn't want. Jefferson would have been appalled

760
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Speaker 1: at the idea that we were supposed to know every

761
00:35:01,920 --> 00:35:06,000
Speaker 1: little detail about the president or that, like even Teddy Roosevelt,

762
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Speaker 1: who really accelerated the visibility of the presidency, he summoned

763
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Speaker 1: coaches and college presidents to the White House to talk

764
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Speaker 1: about the dangers of college football.

765
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Speaker 3: What is the president involved? Can't these leagues figure this

766
00:35:19,600 --> 00:35:20,319
Speaker 3: out on their own?

767
00:35:20,360 --> 00:35:20,520
Speaker 4: You know?

768
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Speaker 1: But this idea of we know everything, we know what

769
00:35:24,600 --> 00:35:28,800
Speaker 1: everybody's allegiances are. I mean, there's no reason that where

770
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Speaker 1: you stand on aid to Ukraine should correlate with your

771
00:35:32,000 --> 00:35:34,920
Speaker 1: opinion on abortion, right. These things have nothing to do

772
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Speaker 1: with each other except the tribe.

773
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Speaker 3: The tribe.

774
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Speaker 1: Yeah, and that is that's really hard to crack through.

775
00:35:43,719 --> 00:35:44,239
Speaker 4: Yeah.

776
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Speaker 2: So, I mean, as humans, we're hardwired for that because

777
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Speaker 2: if we're kicked out of the tribe.

778
00:35:48,640 --> 00:35:50,680
Speaker 3: We die, You die, That is exactly it.

779
00:35:50,719 --> 00:35:53,640
Speaker 2: And so we're hardwired naturally to sort of get along.

780
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Speaker 2: Jordan Peterson talks about this extensively, even from little kids, right, like,

781
00:35:56,920 --> 00:35:58,680
Speaker 2: we just learned to play along and if we don't

782
00:35:58,719 --> 00:36:02,279
Speaker 2: rostatize very quickly. And so I think that's part of it.

783
00:36:02,360 --> 00:36:03,759
Speaker 2: And you know, I've talked about this. You know, when

784
00:36:03,760 --> 00:36:05,640
Speaker 2: I grew up as a kid without the Internet, we

785
00:36:05,680 --> 00:36:07,600
Speaker 2: all listen to the same music, and we all watch

786
00:36:07,680 --> 00:36:11,200
Speaker 2: the same movies. And even today you can hear, like,

787
00:36:11,520 --> 00:36:13,560
Speaker 2: you know, a song from the eighties and everybody knows it.

788
00:36:14,360 --> 00:36:16,440
Speaker 4: And so we were a lot more of the same culturally.

789
00:36:16,480 --> 00:36:17,920
Speaker 2: And back to the point you're making, the Internet has

790
00:36:17,920 --> 00:36:19,880
Speaker 2: allowed us all to move down into these rabbit holes

791
00:36:21,560 --> 00:36:24,439
Speaker 2: and become much more decentralized. And I think in one

792
00:36:24,600 --> 00:36:27,640
Speaker 2: aspect maybe that's okay. I mean, there's pros and cons

793
00:36:27,680 --> 00:36:29,960
Speaker 2: to it. Oh yeah, but like it would be okay

794
00:36:30,160 --> 00:36:35,120
Speaker 2: except for as maybe the people have become more decentralized

795
00:36:35,160 --> 00:36:37,480
Speaker 2: and their values and their thoughts and their likes whatever.

796
00:36:38,360 --> 00:36:40,839
Speaker 2: At the same time, the government has become more centralized.

797
00:36:41,120 --> 00:36:43,440
Speaker 2: And so instead of allowing us to have this decentralized

798
00:36:43,440 --> 00:36:46,520
Speaker 2: government where we have different states, counties, et cetera, now

799
00:36:46,520 --> 00:36:48,120
Speaker 2: we have this federal regime with three hundred and thirty

800
00:36:48,120 --> 00:36:49,400
Speaker 2: million people that have become.

801
00:36:49,800 --> 00:36:54,920
Speaker 1: The opposite trend from everything else in society.

802
00:36:53,640 --> 00:36:56,239
Speaker 2: And working against each other, and because it's gotten so big,

803
00:36:56,280 --> 00:36:59,400
Speaker 2: and also back to your point with Roosevelt trying to

804
00:36:59,400 --> 00:37:01,320
Speaker 2: get involved in football, right, they want to get involved

805
00:37:01,360 --> 00:37:04,560
Speaker 2: in every little detail, and like we're too decentralized and

806
00:37:04,600 --> 00:37:07,759
Speaker 2: too dispersed now to have one central body kind of

807
00:37:08,040 --> 00:37:10,000
Speaker 2: in that level of minutia in detail.

808
00:37:10,239 --> 00:37:13,920
Speaker 1: But and yet they came very close. There's a whole

809
00:37:14,760 --> 00:37:17,920
Speaker 1: you know, civil rights wing or justice department wing in

810
00:37:17,960 --> 00:37:19,799
Speaker 1: the federal government that is going to want to try

811
00:37:19,840 --> 00:37:23,439
Speaker 1: to dictate the terms of high school sports and who

812
00:37:23,480 --> 00:37:25,160
Speaker 1: participates and who doesn't.

813
00:37:24,800 --> 00:37:28,680
Speaker 3: And on what team. And I mean, could you imagine thinking.

814
00:37:28,320 --> 00:37:31,040
Speaker 1: That it was a good idea that a bunch of

815
00:37:31,760 --> 00:37:35,080
Speaker 1: elites two thousand miles away should tell me how my

816
00:37:35,360 --> 00:37:37,000
Speaker 1: local high school football.

817
00:37:36,680 --> 00:37:38,080
Speaker 3: Team should be run. That is bizarre.

818
00:37:38,160 --> 00:37:40,160
Speaker 1: I can't understand how anyone thinks like that.

819
00:37:42,120 --> 00:37:46,120
Speaker 2: So that's the trend. We're going that way. At the

820
00:37:46,120 --> 00:37:48,879
Speaker 2: same time, maybe the trend is starting. I talk about

821
00:37:48,920 --> 00:37:52,000
Speaker 2: the pendulum starting to swing back, and I see globally

822
00:37:52,080 --> 00:37:55,280
Speaker 2: sort of the centralization narrative is breaking apart. Oh yeah,

823
00:37:55,320 --> 00:37:57,560
Speaker 2: And so we can see you know the break you know, China,

824
00:37:57,640 --> 00:37:59,799
Speaker 2: Russia going their own way, the Brick's trying to spin off,

825
00:38:00,280 --> 00:38:03,160
Speaker 2: World Economic Forums stumbling. So there's a lot of hope

826
00:38:03,160 --> 00:38:06,960
Speaker 2: in that global centralization, and even in the United States centralization,

827
00:38:07,040 --> 00:38:08,719
Speaker 2: as we've talked about with the States, maybe there's some

828
00:38:09,040 --> 00:38:12,960
Speaker 2: breakdown there. But at the same time, we're sort of

829
00:38:13,000 --> 00:38:13,960
Speaker 2: on the precipice of this.

830
00:38:14,120 --> 00:38:14,319
Speaker 4: Right.

831
00:38:15,239 --> 00:38:16,839
Speaker 2: You have an event we were talking about just before

832
00:38:16,840 --> 00:38:19,759
Speaker 2: we started kind of going live, and your event kind

833
00:38:19,760 --> 00:38:23,319
Speaker 2: of talks more about solutions. So I'm just curious your take,

834
00:38:23,360 --> 00:38:25,040
Speaker 2: you know, as this kind of is swinging.

835
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Speaker 4: I mean, where do we go from here?

836
00:38:27,320 --> 00:38:29,200
Speaker 2: I mean, how do we kind of protect ourselves or

837
00:38:29,280 --> 00:38:33,560
Speaker 2: sort of I guess maybe protect the Constitution and bring

838
00:38:33,600 --> 00:38:35,759
Speaker 2: each other back or not.

839
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Speaker 1: Well, I'm trying to do two things at once. I'm

840
00:38:39,640 --> 00:38:41,560
Speaker 1: trying to keep an eye on what's going on at

841
00:38:41,560 --> 00:38:44,799
Speaker 1: the federal level. Although I have no influence over my

842
00:38:45,080 --> 00:38:48,239
Speaker 1: US senators at all. Right, the Senate's going to do

843
00:38:48,239 --> 00:38:51,440
Speaker 1: what it wants no matter what I say. But I still,

844
00:38:51,520 --> 00:38:53,320
Speaker 1: you know, I have the Tom Wood Show, so obviously

845
00:38:53,400 --> 00:38:56,600
Speaker 1: I am putting out a lot of information that's aimed

846
00:38:56,640 --> 00:38:57,839
Speaker 1: to persuade people to.

847
00:38:57,840 --> 00:38:58,960
Speaker 3: Adopt certain positions.

848
00:38:58,960 --> 00:39:02,640
Speaker 1: So I still do that in the political sphere, but

849
00:39:02,760 --> 00:39:06,720
Speaker 1: I also am thinking now, especially since COVID, that I'm

850
00:39:06,880 --> 00:39:10,600
Speaker 1: more interested in developing a side of what I do

851
00:39:10,880 --> 00:39:14,319
Speaker 1: that focuses on people who already understand these things. They

852
00:39:14,320 --> 00:39:17,360
Speaker 1: don't need to be persuaded of the problems with the money.

853
00:39:17,239 --> 00:39:19,560
Speaker 1: They're already on board. They've read all the books, they've

854
00:39:19,600 --> 00:39:22,359
Speaker 1: heard every yeah, right, so they already know. So now

855
00:39:22,400 --> 00:39:24,360
Speaker 1: the question is what do I do with the information

856
00:39:24,719 --> 00:39:27,920
Speaker 1: or what do I do as I feel like a

857
00:39:27,920 --> 00:39:30,840
Speaker 1: lot of bad trends are occurring, and so I have

858
00:39:30,960 --> 00:39:34,360
Speaker 1: focused on, you know, to borrow a phrase from Harry Brown,

859
00:39:34,640 --> 00:39:37,360
Speaker 1: how to find freedom in an unfree world. So my

860
00:39:37,560 --> 00:39:41,239
Speaker 1: conference and then I have a membership somewhat immodestly called

861
00:39:41,239 --> 00:39:44,520
Speaker 1: the Tom Woods School of Life. And in this membership,

862
00:39:44,560 --> 00:39:46,160
Speaker 1: I have a bunch of my members are here. As

863
00:39:46,160 --> 00:39:49,080
Speaker 1: a matter of fact, we focus entirely on practical things.

864
00:39:49,080 --> 00:39:53,120
Speaker 1: So Mark and joe Ane Scousen taught us about personal finance.

865
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Speaker 1: So we've also done stuff on investing, on how do

866
00:39:56,760 --> 00:39:59,319
Speaker 1: you homeschool your kids? When you think it's impossible, we

867
00:39:59,360 --> 00:40:01,839
Speaker 1: both have to work this is impossible. So how can

868
00:40:01,880 --> 00:40:06,400
Speaker 1: we make that possible for you? Or I've taught things

869
00:40:06,520 --> 00:40:09,719
Speaker 1: like really helpful personal development skills.

870
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Speaker 3: That will make you stand out.

871
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Speaker 1: So I've done sessions on how to be an effective

872
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Speaker 1: public speaker, or I mean I have written thirteen books,

873
00:40:15,320 --> 00:40:17,280
Speaker 1: so how to be how not to write like a dork?

874
00:40:17,800 --> 00:40:19,839
Speaker 1: Most people write like dorks, and I'm going to save

875
00:40:19,880 --> 00:40:22,640
Speaker 1: you from that. So it's all practical things. It's none

876
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Speaker 1: of it is well, if the cannibalism was consensual with

877
00:40:26,280 --> 00:40:30,360
Speaker 1: libertarians accept that, none of that, you know, how would

878
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Speaker 1: lockie and homesteading theory apply on the moon?

879
00:40:32,880 --> 00:40:36,480
Speaker 3: Like, none of that. It is all just how.

880
00:40:36,200 --> 00:40:37,840
Speaker 1: Do we and so what we also do in that

881
00:40:37,920 --> 00:40:40,880
Speaker 1: member they entire practice. So what we also do in

882
00:40:40,920 --> 00:40:43,359
Speaker 1: that membership is we break up into small groups every

883
00:40:43,360 --> 00:40:47,560
Speaker 1: week virtually. And in that small group we have an

884
00:40:47,640 --> 00:40:50,640
Speaker 1: entrepreneurship group, we have a fitness group. And if you

885
00:40:50,760 --> 00:40:54,360
Speaker 1: are accountable to people, you make much more progress. So

886
00:40:54,560 --> 00:40:57,560
Speaker 1: there's a guy who every week shows up for a

887
00:40:57,560 --> 00:41:01,359
Speaker 1: fitness group every week, and it always to report, oh,

888
00:41:01,400 --> 00:41:03,280
Speaker 1: I was at a wedding and so I ate some cookies,

889
00:41:03,320 --> 00:41:05,120
Speaker 1: and like it's always to report that he didn't do

890
00:41:05,160 --> 00:41:08,200
Speaker 1: so well, but yet eight months down the road, who's

891
00:41:08,200 --> 00:41:08,880
Speaker 1: the one who's.

892
00:41:08,640 --> 00:41:09,480
Speaker 3: Made the best progress?

893
00:41:09,520 --> 00:41:12,200
Speaker 1: That guy who shows up every single week. So we're

894
00:41:12,200 --> 00:41:16,520
Speaker 1: helping people publish books, start businesses, leave that soul crushing

895
00:41:16,560 --> 00:41:18,600
Speaker 1: corporate job they took when they were twenty eight because

896
00:41:18,600 --> 00:41:20,160
Speaker 1: they had a young family that didn't know what else

897
00:41:20,200 --> 00:41:20,480
Speaker 1: to do.

898
00:41:20,760 --> 00:41:23,120
Speaker 3: So it's all practical stuff like that.

899
00:41:23,440 --> 00:41:27,319
Speaker 1: And I feel like that's somewhere where I can on

900
00:41:27,320 --> 00:41:29,600
Speaker 1: my tombstone. It doesn't just have to say he recorded

901
00:41:29,600 --> 00:41:33,799
Speaker 1: seven thousand podcast episodes, but I actually helped people navigate

902
00:41:34,160 --> 00:41:35,360
Speaker 1: through this hostile world.

903
00:41:36,160 --> 00:41:38,359
Speaker 2: And what I'm hearing you say is the same thing

904
00:41:38,400 --> 00:41:40,800
Speaker 2: that most people are saying, because the core principles of

905
00:41:40,840 --> 00:41:43,520
Speaker 2: how to have success about the same, which is we

906
00:41:43,560 --> 00:41:45,840
Speaker 2: heard on the airline, put the mask on yourself first,

907
00:41:46,880 --> 00:41:49,720
Speaker 2: and then help other people. It become the best version

908
00:41:49,760 --> 00:41:53,399
Speaker 2: that you can be financially influentially or things like that,

909
00:41:53,440 --> 00:41:55,920
Speaker 2: and then you can start to lead by example and

910
00:41:55,920 --> 00:41:58,120
Speaker 2: help other people. I talk about the only way that

911
00:41:58,160 --> 00:42:01,080
Speaker 2: we're going to not be put into the cattle lane

912
00:42:01,160 --> 00:42:03,319
Speaker 2: is if we have wealth and influence. Yeah and so,

913
00:42:04,000 --> 00:42:06,279
Speaker 2: and it doesn't have to be seven thousand episodes on

914
00:42:06,280 --> 00:42:08,319
Speaker 2: the Tom Wood show, but we all have hopefully would

915
00:42:08,320 --> 00:42:11,799
Speaker 2: have influence around us, but by leading by example. And

916
00:42:12,160 --> 00:42:14,720
Speaker 2: the one thing I think about is just the difference

917
00:42:14,719 --> 00:42:18,400
Speaker 2: of the ideologies. I was at a conference speaking it

918
00:42:18,440 --> 00:42:20,439
Speaker 2: was like a year ago. Someone had brought their wife,

919
00:42:20,440 --> 00:42:22,719
Speaker 2: and their wife wasn't really on board with, you know,

920
00:42:22,840 --> 00:42:27,080
Speaker 2: the topics that were being discussed, and she asked me, how.

921
00:42:26,920 --> 00:42:29,799
Speaker 4: Do you know you're on the right side? And I've

922
00:42:29,800 --> 00:42:30,640
Speaker 4: never been asked that question.

923
00:42:30,719 --> 00:42:32,759
Speaker 2: I thought long and hard about it, and I thought, well,

924
00:42:33,960 --> 00:42:36,000
Speaker 2: I think I believe I'm on the right side because

925
00:42:36,040 --> 00:42:39,080
Speaker 2: I believe that you should do you, you live and let live.

926
00:42:39,120 --> 00:42:41,200
Speaker 2: I'll do me, you do you, but the other side

927
00:42:41,200 --> 00:42:43,400
Speaker 2: wants to tell me what to do. And so what

928
00:42:43,400 --> 00:42:45,319
Speaker 2: I'm hearing you say is like, you want to help

929
00:42:45,360 --> 00:42:47,480
Speaker 2: other people live their best life, lead by example.

930
00:42:47,520 --> 00:42:49,680
Speaker 4: But then the other side of the aisle wants to

931
00:42:49,680 --> 00:42:51,560
Speaker 4: tell you you have to stay home and you have

932
00:42:51,600 --> 00:42:55,080
Speaker 4: to wear the mask. And I think we can't reconcile that.

933
00:42:55,080 --> 00:42:56,040
Speaker 4: That is a problem.

934
00:42:56,200 --> 00:42:57,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, that is a problem.

935
00:42:57,280 --> 00:42:57,560
Speaker 4: Is that?

936
00:42:58,000 --> 00:43:00,799
Speaker 1: And in fact, that kind of goes back to a

937
00:43:00,800 --> 00:43:04,480
Speaker 1: little bit of a historic left right divide. There are

938
00:43:04,480 --> 00:43:07,120
Speaker 1: many flavors of left and many flavors of right, and

939
00:43:07,160 --> 00:43:09,120
Speaker 1: sometimes people think the categories aren't.

940
00:43:08,960 --> 00:43:13,719
Speaker 3: Useful, but I would say that historically.

941
00:43:13,200 --> 00:43:16,640
Speaker 1: The idea, like even going to Edmund Burke. Edmund Burke's

942
00:43:16,640 --> 00:43:21,400
Speaker 1: idea was that it's dangerous to take disembodied ideologies and

943
00:43:21,680 --> 00:43:27,640
Speaker 1: force them on recalcitran people, and that the real conservative

944
00:43:27,680 --> 00:43:31,719
Speaker 1: focuses on things that are local and immediate and practical

945
00:43:31,760 --> 00:43:38,520
Speaker 1: and finite, whereas the globalist wants to focus on all

946
00:43:38,640 --> 00:43:44,160
Speaker 1: kinds of far flung projects and big ideological reconstruction plans,

947
00:43:44,520 --> 00:43:47,680
Speaker 1: and that that's not what we're about hearth and home.

948
00:43:48,400 --> 00:43:52,000
Speaker 1: And so those are like like Jean Jacques Rousseau puts

949
00:43:52,040 --> 00:43:54,839
Speaker 1: his own children in a foundling asylum, but he's all

950
00:43:54,880 --> 00:43:56,920
Speaker 1: tears and pity when he hears there's an earthquake in

951
00:43:56,960 --> 00:44:01,720
Speaker 1: Lisbon that is exactly inverted of the way people's natural

952
00:44:01,760 --> 00:44:05,720
Speaker 1: obligations ought to flow. And so yeah, there's one side

953
00:44:05,719 --> 00:44:08,520
Speaker 1: that says, just leave me alone, but there's the other

954
00:44:08,600 --> 00:44:10,759
Speaker 1: side that says, ain't no way I'm doing that right.

955
00:44:10,800 --> 00:44:13,839
Speaker 1: And then the question is which side tends to win.

956
00:44:14,120 --> 00:44:17,280
Speaker 1: The side that says I'm going to impose my point

957
00:44:17,280 --> 00:44:20,439
Speaker 1: of view come what may, or the side that says,

958
00:44:20,480 --> 00:44:22,759
Speaker 1: I just want to be left alone, and that scares me.

959
00:44:23,160 --> 00:44:23,560
Speaker 4: Yeah.

960
00:44:23,960 --> 00:44:27,440
Speaker 2: Well, what you'll see, notice if you start paying attention,

961
00:44:27,960 --> 00:44:31,480
Speaker 2: I believe, is you look at those many authoritarians, and

962
00:44:31,520 --> 00:44:35,520
Speaker 2: they are many. They're the Napoleon complex. You don't see

963
00:44:35,520 --> 00:44:37,480
Speaker 2: them strong and buff and healthy.

964
00:44:37,600 --> 00:44:38,880
Speaker 3: Oh no, isn't it funny.

965
00:44:38,920 --> 00:44:41,440
Speaker 4: It's the opposite. Yeah, it's the opposite.

966
00:44:41,560 --> 00:44:43,760
Speaker 2: And so ultimately at the end, the way you reckons

967
00:44:43,760 --> 00:44:46,640
Speaker 2: out is they're not the strong men, they're the weak men.

968
00:44:46,760 --> 00:44:49,520
Speaker 2: And eventually those ideas fail. Unfortunately, those ideas can last

969
00:44:49,520 --> 00:44:52,520
Speaker 2: a long time. Last topic I want to ask you

970
00:44:52,520 --> 00:44:56,279
Speaker 2: about because we are in the bitcoin room, you know,

971
00:44:56,640 --> 00:44:59,200
Speaker 2: I think a lot about this ever growing state. And

972
00:44:59,239 --> 00:45:01,239
Speaker 2: we talked about getting in my new shad details of

973
00:45:01,280 --> 00:45:05,120
Speaker 2: our life and protecting the constitution. And the Constitution was

974
00:45:05,160 --> 00:45:09,399
Speaker 2: great in a sense that it set limitations, but then

975
00:45:09,520 --> 00:45:11,880
Speaker 2: if they're not enforced, then what good are they? And

976
00:45:11,920 --> 00:45:14,839
Speaker 2: so you know, I've seen some countries talk about, like, hey,

977
00:45:14,920 --> 00:45:17,160
Speaker 2: capping the tax rate, like you can't grow the taxes,

978
00:45:17,200 --> 00:45:19,400
Speaker 2: and so if the state can't fund itself out as

979
00:45:19,400 --> 00:45:21,680
Speaker 2: it continue to grow, if the state can't go fight

980
00:45:21,760 --> 00:45:23,680
Speaker 2: endless wars, and the state can't pay to lock you down,

981
00:45:23,800 --> 00:45:24,720
Speaker 2: like how do they succeed?

982
00:45:24,800 --> 00:45:27,239
Speaker 4: And so for me, bitcoin was.

983
00:45:27,200 --> 00:45:30,520
Speaker 2: Like this tool, like maybe we could impose some sort

984
00:45:30,560 --> 00:45:33,759
Speaker 2: of limitations. But I'm curious your take on bitcoin, what

985
00:45:33,800 --> 00:45:34,480
Speaker 2: you think about it?

986
00:45:34,560 --> 00:45:37,919
Speaker 1: And well I was first introduced to it a little

987
00:45:37,960 --> 00:45:39,200
Speaker 1: bit late twenty thirteen.

988
00:45:39,320 --> 00:45:42,160
Speaker 4: Oh that's not like Okay, well okay, but people here

989
00:45:42,200 --> 00:45:43,320
Speaker 4: are still trying to get introduced.

990
00:45:43,320 --> 00:45:45,600
Speaker 3: Okay, all right, but later than some of you. I'll say.

991
00:45:46,080 --> 00:45:48,080
Speaker 1: I was in New Hampshire at the New Hampshire Liberty

992
00:45:48,120 --> 00:45:50,239
Speaker 1: Form they have every year of the Free State Project,

993
00:45:50,400 --> 00:45:53,200
Speaker 1: and two guys took me aside for lunch and said,

994
00:45:53,200 --> 00:45:54,399
Speaker 1: we have to explain this to.

995
00:45:54,360 --> 00:45:56,400
Speaker 4: You, Bruce Finnon, and.

996
00:45:58,440 --> 00:46:02,520
Speaker 2: Let's see you're wrong about the first and us.

997
00:46:03,600 --> 00:46:04,640
Speaker 3: Well, i'll tell you who they were.

998
00:46:05,120 --> 00:46:07,200
Speaker 1: Okay, So one of them is like a no no

999
00:46:07,320 --> 00:46:09,239
Speaker 1: name that I'm not supposed to mention you, Okay with

1000
00:46:09,320 --> 00:46:11,400
Speaker 1: me messing a no no name even though I like

1001
00:46:11,480 --> 00:46:14,680
Speaker 1: him personally. Roger Veer was the first one. Yeah, and

1002
00:46:14,719 --> 00:46:16,919
Speaker 1: then Eric Vorhees, That's what I was saying. And Eric

1003
00:46:17,000 --> 00:46:20,080
Speaker 1: is a great spokesman for you. I mean he's unflappable,

1004
00:46:20,080 --> 00:46:21,000
Speaker 1: like he doesn't get.

1005
00:46:20,960 --> 00:46:23,680
Speaker 3: Worked out he's like Jay Botacharry. It doesn't get worked up, but.

1006
00:46:24,400 --> 00:46:27,520
Speaker 1: He can have righteous indignation, but he can debate you,

1007
00:46:27,520 --> 00:46:28,400
Speaker 1: you know, with this tone.

1008
00:46:28,440 --> 00:46:28,839
Speaker 4: He's great.

1009
00:46:28,960 --> 00:46:32,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, and he did that with Peter Shift too. So anyway,

1010
00:46:32,520 --> 00:46:34,960
Speaker 1: so they talked to me about it, and I thought, well,

1011
00:46:35,000 --> 00:46:38,000
Speaker 1: that sounds really great. But I think I bought in

1012
00:46:38,280 --> 00:46:40,160
Speaker 1: because I have some and I bought in around when

1013
00:46:40,160 --> 00:46:42,520
Speaker 1: it was around five hundred and fifty dollars, which is

1014
00:46:42,560 --> 00:46:43,200
Speaker 1: way later.

1015
00:46:43,080 --> 00:46:43,760
Speaker 3: Than some people.

1016
00:46:44,040 --> 00:46:47,080
Speaker 1: But you know, five hundred and fifty eight a bad entry.

1017
00:46:46,920 --> 00:46:48,239
Speaker 3: From for it. Yeah.

1018
00:46:48,280 --> 00:46:53,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, So I've always been a sympathizer. My my friendly

1019
00:46:53,680 --> 00:46:58,920
Speaker 1: advice to the bitcoin community has always been to remember

1020
00:46:58,960 --> 00:47:03,600
Speaker 1: that some times, the let's say, like the engineers or

1021
00:47:03,600 --> 00:47:06,719
Speaker 1: the creators of something are not always the best marketers

1022
00:47:06,719 --> 00:47:09,520
Speaker 1: of the thing. Like that, those are two distinct jobs.

1023
00:47:09,880 --> 00:47:12,640
Speaker 1: That's why you bring a marketer in, because an engineer

1024
00:47:12,640 --> 00:47:14,800
Speaker 1: will sit here and describe to you all the features

1025
00:47:14,840 --> 00:47:18,000
Speaker 1: of the thing. But what the audience wants to know

1026
00:47:18,000 --> 00:47:20,919
Speaker 1: is how does this benefit mean? And the engineer tends

1027
00:47:20,920 --> 00:47:21,640
Speaker 1: not to think that way.

1028
00:47:21,960 --> 00:47:23,200
Speaker 3: How do you need why do you need that? Explain?

1029
00:47:23,200 --> 00:47:24,759
Speaker 1: Didn't I just explain to you how awesome it is

1030
00:47:25,040 --> 00:47:28,880
Speaker 1: the marketer explains why this benefits you and also explains

1031
00:47:28,880 --> 00:47:31,560
Speaker 1: it to you without using in the very first sentence

1032
00:47:31,640 --> 00:47:33,480
Speaker 1: the word node or something like all.

1033
00:47:33,520 --> 00:47:34,239
Speaker 3: Right, you already lost.

1034
00:47:34,960 --> 00:47:38,359
Speaker 1: Yeah, the technical jargon has got to be brought down

1035
00:47:38,440 --> 00:47:41,520
Speaker 1: a few notches. But I mean, I think it's terrific.

1036
00:47:41,600 --> 00:47:47,719
Speaker 1: And also the fact that it's limited it is to

1037
00:47:47,760 --> 00:47:49,719
Speaker 1: me one of the keys to the whole thing. That

1038
00:47:49,840 --> 00:47:52,680
Speaker 1: of course it can't be infinitely reproduced. And then that

1039
00:47:52,719 --> 00:47:55,960
Speaker 1: also brings out the bad economists, because the bad economists

1040
00:47:55,960 --> 00:47:57,680
Speaker 1: will say, well, you can't have a good money if

1041
00:47:57,680 --> 00:48:01,279
Speaker 1: it can't be inflated, like, get out here, you bum like.

1042
00:48:01,960 --> 00:48:04,759
Speaker 1: They'll say things like, you know, falling prices are bad

1043
00:48:04,800 --> 00:48:05,640
Speaker 1: for the economy.

1044
00:48:05,920 --> 00:48:07,399
Speaker 3: They're gaslighting you man.

1045
00:48:07,600 --> 00:48:10,440
Speaker 1: Falling prices are not bad for the economy, and it's oh,

1046
00:48:10,480 --> 00:48:15,280
Speaker 1: everybody will go bankrupt. No, entrepreneurs anticipate the falling prices

1047
00:48:15,480 --> 00:48:18,000
Speaker 1: and so they bid less for the inputs they need

1048
00:48:18,000 --> 00:48:20,000
Speaker 1: and it all comes out. That's the job, and the

1049
00:48:20,040 --> 00:48:22,520
Speaker 1: entreprene don't worry about that. Entrepreneurs will take care of

1050
00:48:22,719 --> 00:48:27,360
Speaker 1: anticipating falling price bankrupt and they absolutely do go bankrupt,

1051
00:48:27,400 --> 00:48:29,480
Speaker 1: And even if they do go bankrupt, that just shuffles

1052
00:48:29,480 --> 00:48:32,160
Speaker 1: the resources around. They don't disappear, they just have new

1053
00:48:32,160 --> 00:48:35,000
Speaker 1: owners now or or well, nobody will buy anything if

1054
00:48:35,040 --> 00:48:37,880
Speaker 1: prices keep falling, because they'll just anticipate, why should I

1055
00:48:37,880 --> 00:48:40,359
Speaker 1: buy it today? It'll be cheaper tomorrow, and then tomorrow comes,

1056
00:48:40,360 --> 00:48:41,400
Speaker 1: it'll be cheaper tomorrow.

1057
00:48:41,480 --> 00:48:43,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, but you know, eventually you need the thing and

1058
00:48:43,560 --> 00:48:44,120
Speaker 3: you just buy it.

1059
00:48:44,120 --> 00:48:46,000
Speaker 1: Like I'm not gonna say, well, I know this cup

1060
00:48:46,000 --> 00:48:47,960
Speaker 1: of coffee will be twenty cents cheaper tomorrow, so I

1061
00:48:47,960 --> 00:48:48,640
Speaker 1: won't buy it today.

1062
00:48:48,640 --> 00:48:50,680
Speaker 3: Who acts like that? You know? So it's all crazy.

1063
00:48:50,840 --> 00:48:54,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, so I mean that obviously. And then you know,

1064
00:48:54,400 --> 00:48:57,000
Speaker 2: so potentially putting checks on the state as far as

1065
00:48:57,120 --> 00:48:58,920
Speaker 2: limitations on how fast they can grow. But you know,

1066
00:48:58,960 --> 00:49:02,120
Speaker 2: the censorship resistant qualities. I like to say that all

1067
00:49:02,160 --> 00:49:04,960
Speaker 2: freedom sort of sit on the ability of the freedom

1068
00:49:04,960 --> 00:49:08,120
Speaker 2: to transact. Yeah, right, and so like the ability to

1069
00:49:08,160 --> 00:49:11,359
Speaker 2: be able to preserve that, so censorship resistance if you will.

1070
00:49:11,520 --> 00:49:14,520
Speaker 1: Oh, and especially because we'd started to see people not

1071
00:49:14,600 --> 00:49:16,840
Speaker 1: being able to use credit cards for their business anymore

1072
00:49:16,840 --> 00:49:18,640
Speaker 1: because they're selling the wrong thing or they said the

1073
00:49:18,680 --> 00:49:22,560
Speaker 1: wrong thing, right, they're unpopular, then it suddenly became really

1074
00:49:22,760 --> 00:49:25,040
Speaker 1: urgent you better. If you thought I can put off

1075
00:49:25,120 --> 00:49:27,360
Speaker 1: learning about bitcoin, well I'm.

1076
00:49:27,239 --> 00:49:28,919
Speaker 3: Not so sure how much longer you can put that off?

1077
00:49:29,000 --> 00:49:31,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, so yeah, so that's kind of how I

1078
00:49:31,680 --> 00:49:34,840
Speaker 2: see it. And I think, you know, back to the tyrants,

1079
00:49:35,320 --> 00:49:36,880
Speaker 2: the small guys, the tyrants that want to tell you

1080
00:49:36,920 --> 00:49:39,520
Speaker 2: what to do, they're not the ones that build the world, right,

1081
00:49:39,520 --> 00:49:41,960
Speaker 2: they don't invent the things, they don't build the things.

1082
00:49:42,000 --> 00:49:44,320
Speaker 2: And so I like to think that the world is

1083
00:49:44,320 --> 00:49:46,120
Speaker 2: in the hands of the entrepreneurs and the builders and

1084
00:49:46,120 --> 00:49:48,720
Speaker 2: the creators, and so we can build tools that could

1085
00:49:49,160 --> 00:49:51,360
Speaker 2: well they could entrap us in slave us, but hopefully

1086
00:49:51,360 --> 00:49:54,359
Speaker 2: they could also free us as well. So that's kind

1087
00:49:54,360 --> 00:49:55,520
Speaker 2: of how I look at Big One. But I'm glad,

1088
00:49:55,560 --> 00:49:58,120
Speaker 2: I'm glad you're on board. Vorhees is amazing. So that

1089
00:49:58,160 --> 00:49:59,520
Speaker 2: was a good person to bring you in, for sure.

1090
00:49:59,680 --> 00:50:00,680
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah.

1091
00:50:00,680 --> 00:50:04,120
Speaker 1: In fact, I still have I I'm pretty sure it

1092
00:50:04,200 --> 00:50:06,239
Speaker 1: was on the Peter Shift Show when I used to

1093
00:50:06,320 --> 00:50:09,240
Speaker 1: fill in that I had Eric on to talk about Bigmann.

1094
00:50:09,320 --> 00:50:11,360
Speaker 1: This is before Peter took a real hard line on it.

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Speaker 1: And plus he when I would fill in, which I

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Speaker 1: used to do years ago when he had a terrestrial

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Speaker 1: radio show. He never told me you can't invite this guy,

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Speaker 1: you can't talk about this topic. He was just glad

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Speaker 1: that somebody was filling in for him.

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Speaker 3: So I had Eric on.

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Speaker 1: And there's no video. It's just because it was a

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Speaker 1: radio show. But that thing for a YouTube that has

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Speaker 1: no video, which YouTube hates that.

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Speaker 3: I mean, we got.

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Speaker 1: Almost almost overnight, we got seventy five thousand views of that.

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Speaker 3: It's still on there. Yeah, yeah, him explaining it.

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Speaker 4: Yeah great, Well I appreciate it, Tom. It was great, great, great,

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Speaker 4: and yeah, keep keep doing you doing you too, Thanks

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Speaker 4: a lot.

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Speaker 3: Okay,