1 00:00:03,440 --> 00:00:06,080 Speaker 1: You were tuned to live coverage of the twenty twenty 2 00:00:06,080 --> 00:00:14,320 Speaker 1: three NFL combine on Steelers Nation Radio. Welcome back to Indianapolis. 3 00:00:14,360 --> 00:00:17,520 Speaker 1: Signed Dale Lally. He is Matt Williamson. We are alive 4 00:00:17,640 --> 00:00:21,919 Speaker 1: from the Indiana Convention Center, where we now are jumping 5 00:00:21,920 --> 00:00:25,919 Speaker 1: into our third the second hour. I can't keep track. 6 00:00:26,160 --> 00:00:28,960 Speaker 1: This is my fourth, this is your fourth for the day, 7 00:00:29,120 --> 00:00:32,160 Speaker 1: and this is our third. You just completed your fourth hour. 8 00:00:32,200 --> 00:00:34,960 Speaker 1: I thought, wait, I did two before you. Yeah, I 9 00:00:35,040 --> 00:00:38,760 Speaker 1: get six total, we got two left. I think I 10 00:00:38,760 --> 00:00:41,880 Speaker 1: can figure out that this would be the regular time 11 00:00:41,920 --> 00:00:43,600 Speaker 1: when we would do the Yeah, this is we just 12 00:00:43,680 --> 00:00:45,879 Speaker 1: all brand new. Let's just jump right in. Let all right, 13 00:00:45,960 --> 00:00:47,720 Speaker 1: just got here, just got here. It's a whole news. 14 00:00:47,720 --> 00:00:49,760 Speaker 1: We got an hour to wait till we see something 15 00:00:49,880 --> 00:00:52,160 Speaker 1: running too. Yeah. I start getting some of that in here. 16 00:00:52,240 --> 00:00:57,560 Speaker 1: But yeah, um, the combine starting to heat up here 17 00:00:57,600 --> 00:00:59,959 Speaker 1: in terms of the on field stuff in radio road 18 00:01:00,120 --> 00:01:06,119 Speaker 1: was not heating up radio. Yes, it is row here. Yeah, 19 00:01:06,680 --> 00:01:08,680 Speaker 1: a lot of the tables now empty that we're very 20 00:01:08,920 --> 00:01:11,360 Speaker 1: filled up earlier buzzing all week, and now it was 21 00:01:11,640 --> 00:01:14,520 Speaker 1: quiet and quiet and people packing up, people packing up. Yeah, 22 00:01:14,520 --> 00:01:15,920 Speaker 1: that's what we're gonna doing two hour pack it up, 23 00:01:15,920 --> 00:01:19,440 Speaker 1: pack it up. Yeah. Um, so we're gonna see the 24 00:01:19,640 --> 00:01:23,600 Speaker 1: defensive backs put on a show. Yeah, I think fly. Yeah. 25 00:01:23,680 --> 00:01:25,199 Speaker 1: After we went on through a lot of those heights 26 00:01:25,200 --> 00:01:28,720 Speaker 1: and weights, I'm thinking, Man, these guys are building themselves 27 00:01:28,720 --> 00:01:30,560 Speaker 1: for speed. Yeah. I mean because a lot of the 28 00:01:30,600 --> 00:01:33,080 Speaker 1: dudes I thought would be a little heavier must be 29 00:01:33,120 --> 00:01:35,120 Speaker 1: ready to really tear it up and what they know 30 00:01:35,200 --> 00:01:37,320 Speaker 1: as a fast track, Like I'm not gonna wait till 31 00:01:37,319 --> 00:01:40,720 Speaker 1: my pro day. Let's burn. You know, That's what I'm expecting. Yeah, 32 00:01:40,760 --> 00:01:43,200 Speaker 1: and so you're you know, you're they're gonna do the 33 00:01:43,200 --> 00:01:46,720 Speaker 1: three cone hopefully some of those things the verticals, jumping 34 00:01:46,760 --> 00:01:51,160 Speaker 1: and long times away late night stuff for them. Yeah. Um, 35 00:01:52,120 --> 00:01:57,520 Speaker 1: what are you looking for for a defensive back? Um? 36 00:01:57,560 --> 00:02:00,960 Speaker 1: In the drill work? Well, I love like w W 37 00:02:01,120 --> 00:02:03,080 Speaker 1: drills and things like that. Like there's a lot of 38 00:02:03,080 --> 00:02:06,760 Speaker 1: these corners with really good size we've talked about that 39 00:02:07,160 --> 00:02:09,400 Speaker 1: I think will run really well. You know, like the 40 00:02:09,480 --> 00:02:12,000 Speaker 1: Iowa dude, you know what I mean, he's a sprinter. 41 00:02:12,080 --> 00:02:15,079 Speaker 1: I mean he's gonna be over six foot tall. Moss 42 00:02:15,160 --> 00:02:18,200 Speaker 1: is his name, and but can he sink his hips 43 00:02:18,200 --> 00:02:21,400 Speaker 1: and come out of his brakes and drive forward, drive 44 00:02:21,440 --> 00:02:23,320 Speaker 1: on the ball, you know, and not know what the 45 00:02:23,400 --> 00:02:25,240 Speaker 1: drill is gonna do, and you have to react to 46 00:02:25,280 --> 00:02:28,320 Speaker 1: it accordingly with your hips and your breakdown. I think 47 00:02:28,360 --> 00:02:31,720 Speaker 1: that stuff's incredibly important. You know, straight line speeds great, 48 00:02:32,720 --> 00:02:35,080 Speaker 1: but there's times where you get in a you know, 49 00:02:35,120 --> 00:02:37,399 Speaker 1: and there's time to get into buy go route after 50 00:02:37,440 --> 00:02:39,760 Speaker 1: go route against you. And even if you do, you know, 51 00:02:39,960 --> 00:02:42,079 Speaker 1: corners don't have to be faster than the wide out 52 00:02:42,160 --> 00:02:44,440 Speaker 1: to win that route either, you know. I mean, once 53 00:02:44,480 --> 00:02:47,280 Speaker 1: you get in a trail position, speed batters, you know, like, 54 00:02:47,320 --> 00:02:50,280 Speaker 1: oh now he's in that trail position. That's where the 55 00:02:50,360 --> 00:02:53,880 Speaker 1: length of arms comes into play, vertical jump, all that stuff, 56 00:02:53,960 --> 00:02:56,480 Speaker 1: right right, right right. But I mean it's definitely an 57 00:02:56,520 --> 00:03:00,679 Speaker 1: athletic position. I mean there's really a baseline with corners 58 00:03:01,320 --> 00:03:04,040 Speaker 1: more so than some where he'd better be a pretty 59 00:03:04,120 --> 00:03:11,200 Speaker 1: darn good ass and extremely difficult to play young or well, 60 00:03:11,240 --> 00:03:12,680 Speaker 1: you know you're gonna get picked on. You're gonna get 61 00:03:12,680 --> 00:03:15,440 Speaker 1: picked up as until you proved otherwise. Yeah, it's not 62 00:03:15,480 --> 00:03:17,639 Speaker 1: gonna go. You know, no one's gonna be nice to you. 63 00:03:17,720 --> 00:03:19,760 Speaker 1: And are in the league. You know you're gonna say Okay, 64 00:03:19,760 --> 00:03:22,000 Speaker 1: we're gonna target the rookie and see how he holds up, 65 00:03:22,880 --> 00:03:25,480 Speaker 1: and think about it from a corner perspective, Like the 66 00:03:25,560 --> 00:03:28,040 Speaker 1: Chiefs are perfect example. They do a lot of three 67 00:03:28,080 --> 00:03:31,040 Speaker 1: by one sets with three receivers to one side, Kelsey 68 00:03:31,120 --> 00:03:33,960 Speaker 1: to the other. Yah. Well, okay, I got Travis Kelsey 69 00:03:34,000 --> 00:03:36,480 Speaker 1: on the corner on that side, right, Okay, I got Kelsey, 70 00:03:36,600 --> 00:03:39,400 Speaker 1: and I'm faster than him. Yeah, I'm way younger than him, 71 00:03:39,600 --> 00:03:43,560 Speaker 1: but I'm half the knowledge he has or the size 72 00:03:43,600 --> 00:03:46,320 Speaker 1: and the physicality. And then you get a Tyreek Hill type, 73 00:03:46,440 --> 00:03:48,240 Speaker 1: or you get a Welker type, or you get a 74 00:03:48,600 --> 00:03:54,200 Speaker 1: you know who's a big a true route runner right right, right, 75 00:03:54,240 --> 00:03:56,720 Speaker 1: there's just so many weapons in the league right now 76 00:03:57,400 --> 00:04:00,440 Speaker 1: that maybe you're really good against the straight line guys, 77 00:04:00,600 --> 00:04:02,600 Speaker 1: or you can come out of your breaks and deal 78 00:04:02,640 --> 00:04:05,200 Speaker 1: with the Amari Cooper as well, but you can't handle 79 00:04:05,400 --> 00:04:07,840 Speaker 1: the k at Calf, you know. I mean, somebody's gonna 80 00:04:07,840 --> 00:04:09,240 Speaker 1: get you. You know. It's just the way it is. 81 00:04:09,600 --> 00:04:13,120 Speaker 1: And cornerback play is a little inconsistent year to year, 82 00:04:13,240 --> 00:04:15,760 Speaker 1: yea more so than it's the one position. Like if 83 00:04:15,800 --> 00:04:19,359 Speaker 1: you're you're like the top ranked guy this year, you 84 00:04:19,400 --> 00:04:21,000 Speaker 1: could be one of the lowest rank guys in the 85 00:04:21,040 --> 00:04:23,920 Speaker 1: league the next year. Yeah, yeah, Yeah, It's not as 86 00:04:23,920 --> 00:04:26,919 Speaker 1: sticky as other position. It's great year to year because 87 00:04:26,920 --> 00:04:29,440 Speaker 1: I think it's really inconsistent game to game depending who 88 00:04:29,480 --> 00:04:31,560 Speaker 1: you're matched up against. And the pass catchers in this 89 00:04:31,640 --> 00:04:34,640 Speaker 1: league are crazy good, and the quarterbacks and the quarterback 90 00:04:34,960 --> 00:04:37,840 Speaker 1: they're gonna put the ball in places where you can't 91 00:04:37,880 --> 00:04:40,400 Speaker 1: possibly defend it, maybe more than any position. The more 92 00:04:40,440 --> 00:04:43,440 Speaker 1: I think about it is sometimes when you're right, you 93 00:04:43,560 --> 00:04:46,000 Speaker 1: still allow a bad play for your team. Yeah, you know, 94 00:04:46,080 --> 00:04:48,520 Speaker 1: just because Rogers puts it there and it's the only 95 00:04:48,520 --> 00:04:50,599 Speaker 1: spot it could be, and you flip your head around 96 00:04:50,600 --> 00:04:52,760 Speaker 1: and it whizz past your eyes and it's completion, you know. 97 00:04:52,880 --> 00:04:54,800 Speaker 1: I mean, there's a reason the back shoulder throw is 98 00:04:54,839 --> 00:04:58,640 Speaker 1: developed right right, right, because cornerbacks have gotten so good 99 00:04:58,640 --> 00:05:00,840 Speaker 1: at taking the ball. You want to you don't want 100 00:05:00,839 --> 00:05:02,599 Speaker 1: to give up the big play over the top, so 101 00:05:02,640 --> 00:05:04,599 Speaker 1: you're gonna try to kind of shade that over the top. 102 00:05:04,640 --> 00:05:06,120 Speaker 1: And then all of a sudden, the quarterbacks throw into 103 00:05:06,120 --> 00:05:07,840 Speaker 1: the guy's back shoulder and it's nothing you can do 104 00:05:07,839 --> 00:05:11,159 Speaker 1: if it's almost indefensible if they execute it. Properly. It's 105 00:05:11,160 --> 00:05:14,880 Speaker 1: almost indefensible and you can't know that's coming or break. 106 00:05:15,120 --> 00:05:17,960 Speaker 1: You almost have to break through the player to get 107 00:05:18,000 --> 00:05:19,520 Speaker 1: your hand on the ball too. You know where the 108 00:05:19,520 --> 00:05:23,440 Speaker 1: ball placement is, and of course if your pass rush thinks, 109 00:05:23,800 --> 00:05:25,880 Speaker 1: well that was where I was gonna go next. So 110 00:05:25,960 --> 00:05:30,440 Speaker 1: does that mean that pass rush is more important than 111 00:05:30,520 --> 00:05:34,680 Speaker 1: good cornerback play? I believe that. I mean, if I'm 112 00:05:34,720 --> 00:05:38,040 Speaker 1: building my team, it's definitely with big people first on defense. 113 00:05:38,839 --> 00:05:41,159 Speaker 1: But I do know a lot of the analytics sites 114 00:05:41,160 --> 00:05:43,640 Speaker 1: have done studies and they all come up with the opposite. 115 00:05:44,200 --> 00:05:46,080 Speaker 1: I still have not been convinced to that though. I 116 00:05:46,080 --> 00:05:48,560 Speaker 1: mean I've read those studies. I mean I get it. 117 00:05:48,640 --> 00:05:51,560 Speaker 1: I understand what you're saying, even though there's not a 118 00:05:51,560 --> 00:05:54,719 Speaker 1: cornerback out there who's going to cover somebody for four seconds, right, 119 00:05:54,760 --> 00:05:58,839 Speaker 1: And even Cynthia, who's extremely analytically inclined, get all the 120 00:05:58,839 --> 00:06:01,000 Speaker 1: corners you can. I get that, you know, I mean, 121 00:06:01,120 --> 00:06:04,720 Speaker 1: you never have enough, but you can't have everything. I'll 122 00:06:04,760 --> 00:06:08,359 Speaker 1: take Bosa over Ramsey. Yeah. I just think they influenced 123 00:06:08,360 --> 00:06:11,240 Speaker 1: the game more. There's also the running game aspect and 124 00:06:11,279 --> 00:06:15,159 Speaker 1: the ability to get the analytics are wonderful. I love them, 125 00:06:15,279 --> 00:06:18,359 Speaker 1: But hitting quarterbacks matters, you know what I mean, or 126 00:06:18,440 --> 00:06:20,280 Speaker 1: getting hands in their face and putting them on the 127 00:06:20,320 --> 00:06:22,159 Speaker 1: Other thing that you do is when you start getting 128 00:06:22,160 --> 00:06:25,800 Speaker 1: pressure on the quarterback. Now, instead of having the time 129 00:06:25,839 --> 00:06:28,679 Speaker 1: to make that great back shoulder throw, maybe he throws 130 00:06:28,680 --> 00:06:31,600 Speaker 1: it a quarter of a second before he wanted to 131 00:06:31,800 --> 00:06:35,080 Speaker 1: absolutely and before the receivers because he's feeling the pass rush, right, 132 00:06:35,240 --> 00:06:38,479 Speaker 1: Or you're winning at home with crowd noise in your favor. 133 00:06:38,520 --> 00:06:42,040 Speaker 1: And I got two dogs up front there, an inside 134 00:06:42,080 --> 00:06:45,040 Speaker 1: guy and an outside guy that are frothing at the mouth. 135 00:06:45,080 --> 00:06:48,520 Speaker 1: Value And you can throw away over from Ramsey. You 136 00:06:48,720 --> 00:06:53,200 Speaker 1: can't throw away from Chris Jones, right yeah, yeah, and 137 00:06:53,240 --> 00:06:55,440 Speaker 1: they And it's also closer to the ball. I mean, 138 00:06:56,120 --> 00:06:59,120 Speaker 1: put your your yourself in a quarterbacks mindset. What he 139 00:06:59,160 --> 00:07:01,839 Speaker 1: sees at the line of scrimmage, Like, yeah, that corner 140 00:07:01,880 --> 00:07:04,400 Speaker 1: over there's really really good. Look how far away he 141 00:07:04,480 --> 00:07:06,800 Speaker 1: is from me. Those dudes are right there, Like I 142 00:07:06,839 --> 00:07:08,920 Speaker 1: can smell his armpits right next to me, and he's 143 00:07:08,920 --> 00:07:10,800 Speaker 1: gonna be on top of me in two seconds. I'm 144 00:07:10,840 --> 00:07:13,080 Speaker 1: under center and I'm looking and he's looking into my 145 00:07:13,120 --> 00:07:14,960 Speaker 1: eyes and looking to him, you know, like and my 146 00:07:15,080 --> 00:07:17,560 Speaker 1: right guards my buddy, but he's gonna lose his battle 147 00:07:18,360 --> 00:07:20,440 Speaker 1: and I'm gonna pay for it. Yeah, you know, that's 148 00:07:20,440 --> 00:07:22,560 Speaker 1: the way around. Guy like Aaron Donald or Kim Hayward. 149 00:07:22,640 --> 00:07:24,640 Speaker 1: Guys you know, can get into the quarterback from that 150 00:07:24,680 --> 00:07:27,240 Speaker 1: position that Chris Jones we've just mentioned. And I think 151 00:07:27,240 --> 00:07:29,560 Speaker 1: there's something to Cam Hayward taking a three hundred and 152 00:07:29,560 --> 00:07:31,800 Speaker 1: thirty pound man and just beating him up in front 153 00:07:31,840 --> 00:07:34,400 Speaker 1: of his friends. You know, it's different walking out the 154 00:07:34,480 --> 00:07:36,400 Speaker 1: arm and just taking him and walking him back right 155 00:07:36,400 --> 00:07:39,000 Speaker 1: into the quarterbacks and not allowing him to step into 156 00:07:39,000 --> 00:07:41,080 Speaker 1: a throw. Sure, sure, and things of that nation that 157 00:07:41,160 --> 00:07:43,040 Speaker 1: makes life easier on your cornerbacks. I mean, I just 158 00:07:43,040 --> 00:07:45,600 Speaker 1: sink some of the intimidation and human elements of it all. 159 00:07:46,120 --> 00:07:48,200 Speaker 1: I want the biggest, baddest dudes on the field, and 160 00:07:48,200 --> 00:07:50,040 Speaker 1: that's never gonna be a corner I mean they're great players, 161 00:07:50,040 --> 00:07:53,240 Speaker 1: of course, but I don't I disagree with analytics on that. 162 00:07:53,280 --> 00:07:55,840 Speaker 1: I've never seen a good enough study for me to 163 00:07:55,880 --> 00:07:59,120 Speaker 1: say I'll just find myself some pass rushers. That being said, 164 00:08:00,000 --> 00:08:03,920 Speaker 1: the cornerback class, the cornerbacks are gonna go pretty steadily 165 00:08:03,960 --> 00:08:06,560 Speaker 1: and throughout the starting Where do you think the quarter 166 00:08:06,840 --> 00:08:11,840 Speaker 1: cornerback runs starts in this draft? Around eight? Nine? The 167 00:08:11,920 --> 00:08:17,040 Speaker 1: Lions at six, Yeah, that's the earliest. Okay, Like I've 168 00:08:17,040 --> 00:08:20,760 Speaker 1: seen Weatherspoon and Mock there a lot. That never settled 169 00:08:20,840 --> 00:08:25,200 Speaker 1: right with me though, because his tape's great. But I 170 00:08:25,240 --> 00:08:27,280 Speaker 1: don't know that he's gonna this is gonna be his week. 171 00:08:27,360 --> 00:08:31,400 Speaker 1: Does he bite ankles? So that's important. I wonder if 172 00:08:31,400 --> 00:08:33,120 Speaker 1: Porter is going to really go up the chart. So 173 00:08:33,120 --> 00:08:36,360 Speaker 1: I just played off. Yeah, I mean there's no doubts 174 00:08:36,400 --> 00:08:39,920 Speaker 1: about the physical the body, the arm length, yeah, the 175 00:08:40,480 --> 00:08:43,920 Speaker 1: just the intangibles. So the Raiders at seven, I think, 176 00:08:44,640 --> 00:08:46,920 Speaker 1: I don't know. I think they're probably not in that market. 177 00:08:46,960 --> 00:08:50,360 Speaker 1: I think that's an offensive pick six could be the earliest, 178 00:08:50,400 --> 00:08:53,680 Speaker 1: but that's probably a little rich. I don't know that 179 00:08:53,720 --> 00:08:56,560 Speaker 1: Philly passes on one. If Bradbury's not back, you know, 180 00:08:56,600 --> 00:08:59,959 Speaker 1: I mean, pail guy with Slay, So they're gonna go quick, 181 00:09:00,040 --> 00:09:02,760 Speaker 1: I mean you know that. Yeah, So it's gonna be 182 00:09:02,760 --> 00:09:05,320 Speaker 1: interesting to see if somebody can force their way into 183 00:09:05,360 --> 00:09:09,280 Speaker 1: that conversation. Banks is a guy out of Maryland. That, yeah, 184 00:09:09,440 --> 00:09:12,800 Speaker 1: very intriguing. Could you know if it's six two and 185 00:09:13,400 --> 00:09:15,079 Speaker 1: you know, two hundred pounds. If he goes out and 186 00:09:15,160 --> 00:09:19,080 Speaker 1: runs well this week, it tests well because the tape matches. Yeah, 187 00:09:19,120 --> 00:09:21,600 Speaker 1: he's the one outside those top three that we kind 188 00:09:21,600 --> 00:09:25,000 Speaker 1: of harp on that if we do our final seventeen 189 00:09:25,080 --> 00:09:27,280 Speaker 1: for the Steelers, he might be in the mix. I mean, 190 00:09:27,320 --> 00:09:30,319 Speaker 1: he needs the one. I could say, Okay, I can 191 00:09:30,360 --> 00:09:32,120 Speaker 1: live with him and be happy about it, and he 192 00:09:32,160 --> 00:09:34,199 Speaker 1: may have a great career here and take them all away, 193 00:09:34,280 --> 00:09:36,839 Speaker 1: And he may tomorrow I might be like, I don't 194 00:09:36,920 --> 00:09:38,160 Speaker 1: know what I was talking about. He's gonna be the 195 00:09:38,200 --> 00:09:40,960 Speaker 1: top twelve. So if that were to happen, I know 196 00:09:41,040 --> 00:09:43,679 Speaker 1: what the immediate reaction from Steeler fans would at least 197 00:09:43,679 --> 00:09:46,040 Speaker 1: a small segment of them or a certain segment of them. Well, 198 00:09:46,040 --> 00:09:48,559 Speaker 1: there's Tomlin. Take another one of those Maryland guys because 199 00:09:48,559 --> 00:09:51,640 Speaker 1: his kid went there. This guy Actually, it's much like 200 00:09:51,679 --> 00:09:55,280 Speaker 1: the Joey Porter conversation. Yeah, you're not taking these guys 201 00:09:55,360 --> 00:09:57,800 Speaker 1: just because of this or just because of that. That's 202 00:09:57,800 --> 00:10:00,240 Speaker 1: all part of the equation. But they just if to 203 00:10:00,320 --> 00:10:02,360 Speaker 1: go that high. That's I mean I said this a 204 00:10:02,400 --> 00:10:05,040 Speaker 1: million times with the picket pick. You know, like, if 205 00:10:05,080 --> 00:10:07,839 Speaker 1: you know more about him, there's also a lot of 206 00:10:07,840 --> 00:10:09,839 Speaker 1: people they know a ton about that they don't take right, 207 00:10:10,600 --> 00:10:12,320 Speaker 1: you know what I mean? Like, how about all the 208 00:10:12,320 --> 00:10:14,559 Speaker 1: other Maryland guys that they say, yeah, I don't. I 209 00:10:15,000 --> 00:10:17,200 Speaker 1: know more about him than the other teams do. That's 210 00:10:17,200 --> 00:10:20,360 Speaker 1: why I don't want to take them. It's you're just 211 00:10:20,440 --> 00:10:23,920 Speaker 1: gathering information. You're gathering data, So why would you not. 212 00:10:24,760 --> 00:10:26,280 Speaker 1: I mean, if you knew more about the guy. If 213 00:10:26,320 --> 00:10:29,480 Speaker 1: I have a seventy five percent of the equation figured 214 00:10:29,480 --> 00:10:31,559 Speaker 1: out as opposed a fifty percent of the equation figured 215 00:10:31,600 --> 00:10:34,160 Speaker 1: out and their tape is equal, well I'm gonna take 216 00:10:34,200 --> 00:10:35,880 Speaker 1: the guy to know more about because there might be 217 00:10:35,960 --> 00:10:38,880 Speaker 1: there's less misinformation, you know, less things guiding me the 218 00:10:38,920 --> 00:10:42,280 Speaker 1: wrong way. I think too, Matt that if you look 219 00:10:42,280 --> 00:10:49,000 Speaker 1: at the Steelers roster is currently constructed, Ummkello Weatherspoon a 220 00:10:49,000 --> 00:10:53,280 Speaker 1: long cornerback, yeah, Levi Wallace a long cornerback. They acquired 221 00:10:53,320 --> 00:10:57,360 Speaker 1: William Jackson Williams right long cornerback, James Pierre good Point 222 00:10:57,440 --> 00:11:00,920 Speaker 1: a long cornerback. Yeah. Whereas Cam Sutton's the one that's okay. 223 00:11:00,960 --> 00:11:04,360 Speaker 1: He's five eleven, he's not a small cornerback, but he's 224 00:11:04,360 --> 00:11:06,839 Speaker 1: a big slot but he's a bigger slot, right right, right, 225 00:11:06,920 --> 00:11:09,240 Speaker 1: I mean he's not a little slot. I definitely think 226 00:11:09,320 --> 00:11:11,480 Speaker 1: length is important. I think I think they really want 227 00:11:11,520 --> 00:11:14,120 Speaker 1: that length. Yeah yeah, yeah, again, I'd be shocked if 228 00:11:14,160 --> 00:11:15,960 Speaker 1: one of their first three picks is not a corner. Yeah. 229 00:11:16,000 --> 00:11:22,000 Speaker 1: But if you're looking at you know, uh um, I'm 230 00:11:22,040 --> 00:11:25,120 Speaker 1: just looking here at the list Clark Phillips for example. Yeah, 231 00:11:25,520 --> 00:11:27,520 Speaker 1: like Fran mentioned three of the smaller ones right off 232 00:11:27,520 --> 00:11:29,760 Speaker 1: the back, Tomlinson or you know, there was a couple 233 00:11:29,800 --> 00:11:33,440 Speaker 1: of them. He mentioned Hodges, Tomlinson from t he's gonna 234 00:11:33,480 --> 00:11:35,559 Speaker 1: be little, he's in test really well, he's fights to 235 00:11:35,760 --> 00:11:38,600 Speaker 1: his dad was LT's a true slot. But they took 236 00:11:38,600 --> 00:11:40,560 Speaker 1: Sloton over Hilton, you know, Like, I think they want 237 00:11:40,640 --> 00:11:43,680 Speaker 1: side there for sure matters. And I think the reason 238 00:11:43,760 --> 00:11:48,240 Speaker 1: that is is not just because of the bigger guys 239 00:11:48,280 --> 00:11:50,360 Speaker 1: that you're seeing in the slot, but I think the 240 00:11:50,400 --> 00:11:53,920 Speaker 1: farther you get down field, that size starts to play 241 00:11:53,920 --> 00:11:56,880 Speaker 1: a factor. No doubt we're lack thereof. And I think 242 00:11:56,920 --> 00:12:00,400 Speaker 1: that you know, if you've got you know Levi All Wallace, 243 00:12:00,480 --> 00:12:04,120 Speaker 1: I keep bringing him up has extremely long arms. So 244 00:12:04,160 --> 00:12:06,880 Speaker 1: the fact that he was a four six guy coming 245 00:12:06,880 --> 00:12:09,640 Speaker 1: out of Bama. Oh you could. The long arms helped 246 00:12:09,640 --> 00:12:11,920 Speaker 1: make up for that. About So if Joey Porter goes 247 00:12:11,960 --> 00:12:15,760 Speaker 1: out and runs a four to five today, that's fine, 248 00:12:15,760 --> 00:12:18,280 Speaker 1: and other guys are running four fours. Joey Porter has 249 00:12:18,320 --> 00:12:20,640 Speaker 1: thirty four inch arms. Yeah, yeah, that makes a ton 250 00:12:20,679 --> 00:12:22,800 Speaker 1: of sense, right, and a little bit wider shoulders, and 251 00:12:22,920 --> 00:12:25,160 Speaker 1: you know, you cover just more space. Yeah, it covers 252 00:12:25,200 --> 00:12:27,760 Speaker 1: more spaces that Jack Campbell argue, you know, just yeah, yeah, 253 00:12:27,880 --> 00:12:30,120 Speaker 1: he just covers more space. Yeah, there's just a more 254 00:12:30,360 --> 00:12:34,960 Speaker 1: mass there, you know. And you notice their corners length 255 00:12:35,160 --> 00:12:37,920 Speaker 1: height certainly is in the equation. But they're fine with 256 00:12:37,960 --> 00:12:40,959 Speaker 1: skin of your guys. Yeah, I mean they're not all guys. 257 00:12:41,000 --> 00:12:42,800 Speaker 1: They don't look like rod Woods, and they'll tackle, but 258 00:12:42,840 --> 00:12:45,880 Speaker 1: they're not at all super you know, beefy Um, I'm 259 00:12:45,880 --> 00:12:49,040 Speaker 1: sure they'd love someone with Porter's physicality and strength and 260 00:12:49,160 --> 00:12:51,760 Speaker 1: size and all that too. But I mean you also 261 00:12:51,760 --> 00:12:54,200 Speaker 1: aren't using the seventeenth pick time and time again on 262 00:12:54,240 --> 00:12:56,960 Speaker 1: these guys, you know. So it's gonna be an interesting 263 00:12:57,000 --> 00:13:03,559 Speaker 1: class and um, I really want to see what my 264 00:13:03,640 --> 00:13:08,280 Speaker 1: guy comes out of this with um Brian Branch working 265 00:13:08,320 --> 00:13:11,240 Speaker 1: out working with the cornerbacks, so he is with the corners, 266 00:13:11,360 --> 00:13:13,880 Speaker 1: working out with the cornerback, Okay, much the same way 267 00:13:13,920 --> 00:13:17,480 Speaker 1: Anderson worked out yesterday with it. Then maybe put him 268 00:13:17,480 --> 00:13:21,080 Speaker 1: in a you know, somewhat not as comfortable position, you know, 269 00:13:21,679 --> 00:13:24,120 Speaker 1: maybe just I know he can do the safety stuff. Yeah, 270 00:13:24,160 --> 00:13:26,079 Speaker 1: I'm certain of that. I've seen them on tape time 271 00:13:26,080 --> 00:13:28,199 Speaker 1: and time again. Let's put him the corner room and 272 00:13:28,240 --> 00:13:30,800 Speaker 1: see how that works. Smart. Yeah, interesting, he like he 273 00:13:30,840 --> 00:13:34,480 Speaker 1: said he models his game after makea Fitzpatrick. I mean, 274 00:13:34,520 --> 00:13:37,640 Speaker 1: I'm interested in Blue, Kelly and Stevenson, those guys all 275 00:13:37,640 --> 00:13:40,680 Speaker 1: the way through this. I mean that whole Um Senior 276 00:13:40,679 --> 00:13:44,080 Speaker 1: Bowl roster almost had corner, really good corner after corner. 277 00:13:44,120 --> 00:13:46,520 Speaker 1: Good mentioned Moss from Iowa. I mean, there's just a 278 00:13:46,520 --> 00:13:50,400 Speaker 1: lot of them that probably your fourth rounders, third rounders, 279 00:13:50,440 --> 00:13:52,560 Speaker 1: things like that, but most years I think they may 280 00:13:52,559 --> 00:13:54,600 Speaker 1: even go around earlier. What do you think happens with 281 00:13:54,640 --> 00:13:58,720 Speaker 1: the guy like Garrett Williams from Syracuse. I heard a 282 00:13:58,720 --> 00:14:00,600 Speaker 1: lot of good things. I have not studied him as 283 00:14:00,640 --> 00:14:03,000 Speaker 1: much as i'd like. Um, I think he could really 284 00:14:03,000 --> 00:14:04,760 Speaker 1: be on the radar tomorrow, you know, I mean, like 285 00:14:04,840 --> 00:14:07,240 Speaker 1: coming back off at acl right right, right? Do we 286 00:14:07,240 --> 00:14:09,760 Speaker 1: know he's working out I haven't heard anything about He 287 00:14:09,880 --> 00:14:12,440 Speaker 1: told us yesterday on the podium that he just started 288 00:14:12,800 --> 00:14:15,439 Speaker 1: running last week, so he's not going to work out. 289 00:14:15,559 --> 00:14:18,240 Speaker 1: He's hoping to be ready for training camp. To start 290 00:14:18,360 --> 00:14:20,960 Speaker 1: training camp. People rave about him, I mean his tape 291 00:14:21,000 --> 00:14:22,840 Speaker 1: from last year in particular, like he was on all 292 00:14:22,840 --> 00:14:26,720 Speaker 1: those lists, preseason lists. I mean, he's a he's a 293 00:14:26,760 --> 00:14:28,600 Speaker 1: prospect because he made me get him at a value 294 00:14:28,680 --> 00:14:31,640 Speaker 1: five ten two pounds, thirty one inch, arms nine and 295 00:14:31,720 --> 00:14:34,000 Speaker 1: a quarter in chance and not very quite as big 296 00:14:34,080 --> 00:14:36,800 Speaker 1: as what he was right but so that I mean 297 00:14:37,360 --> 00:14:39,680 Speaker 1: plus size. He could be like a guy you take, 298 00:14:39,960 --> 00:14:42,200 Speaker 1: you know, in the fourth or fifth round this year 299 00:14:42,440 --> 00:14:44,600 Speaker 1: that maybe would have been a third round or of healthy. Yeah, 300 00:14:44,600 --> 00:14:47,400 Speaker 1: if he's healthy, maybe he's in that second round conversation. Yeah, 301 00:14:47,480 --> 00:14:48,960 Speaker 1: that's a good point. No, he's a great one to 302 00:14:49,000 --> 00:14:50,720 Speaker 1: look at him. I mean there's a lot of these 303 00:14:50,720 --> 00:14:52,720 Speaker 1: guys who are I mean, so if you do get 304 00:14:52,760 --> 00:14:55,160 Speaker 1: shut out early, if you do go different positions early, 305 00:14:55,600 --> 00:14:57,120 Speaker 1: you can get a guy like that. And if you're 306 00:14:57,120 --> 00:15:00,680 Speaker 1: not looking for a starter right away, that'd be great. Right, 307 00:15:01,280 --> 00:15:03,080 Speaker 1: you can wait on if Sutton sign, I mean, somebody 308 00:15:03,120 --> 00:15:06,080 Speaker 1: will be signed at that point, right, interesting here, I'm 309 00:15:06,080 --> 00:15:08,120 Speaker 1: looking at maybe a drafted Branch in the first round, 310 00:15:08,120 --> 00:15:09,840 Speaker 1: and Sutton's there and you grab him in the fifth. 311 00:15:09,960 --> 00:15:14,479 Speaker 1: I'm looking here at lance zerlines rankings on nfl dot Com. 312 00:15:14,520 --> 00:15:17,280 Speaker 1: He now has Branch listed as a cornerback. Oh really, 313 00:15:17,640 --> 00:15:22,680 Speaker 1: and he has Branches his number one rated cornerback. Okay, interesting? Yeah, 314 00:15:22,680 --> 00:15:25,320 Speaker 1: I haven't thought about him as a corner verse the 315 00:15:25,320 --> 00:15:28,960 Speaker 1: top three. You know, he played outside some at Bama. 316 00:15:29,040 --> 00:15:32,040 Speaker 1: He played in the slot obviously, and he played I 317 00:15:32,040 --> 00:15:34,440 Speaker 1: mean he was a box safety at times all over 318 00:15:34,480 --> 00:15:37,800 Speaker 1: the place, played deep posted. I wonder how many other safety, 319 00:15:37,800 --> 00:15:39,800 Speaker 1: if there will be any other safeties. He's the most prominent. 320 00:15:39,800 --> 00:15:42,080 Speaker 1: He's the best safety and maybe the best defensive back 321 00:15:42,160 --> 00:15:44,960 Speaker 1: here period. Are there any other these safeties that they're 322 00:15:44,960 --> 00:15:47,040 Speaker 1: going to try to ask that out of? I'm interested. 323 00:15:47,240 --> 00:15:50,680 Speaker 1: Somebody else lands is high on here that I haven't 324 00:15:50,720 --> 00:15:53,600 Speaker 1: talked a ton about is DJ Turner from Michigan. Oh, 325 00:15:53,680 --> 00:15:57,840 Speaker 1: he's supposed to test really really well. They've updated even 326 00:15:57,920 --> 00:15:59,880 Speaker 1: one seventy eight. I knew it was a little lean. 327 00:16:00,280 --> 00:16:03,080 Speaker 1: Um yeah, so a little bit smaller than you'd like. 328 00:16:03,200 --> 00:16:05,840 Speaker 1: But several people have told me, like, this guy's under 329 00:16:05,840 --> 00:16:07,840 Speaker 1: the radar right now, you're not seeing him in mocks. 330 00:16:07,880 --> 00:16:10,840 Speaker 1: He wasn't the Senior Bowl. He could really make a 331 00:16:10,920 --> 00:16:12,920 Speaker 1: name for himself this week too. You know, they'll know 332 00:16:12,960 --> 00:16:16,680 Speaker 1: a lot about Michigan guys. Yeah, yeah, um, now he's 333 00:16:16,800 --> 00:16:18,440 Speaker 1: that's a name I wanted to bring up earlier. Check 334 00:16:18,480 --> 00:16:22,040 Speaker 1: and see what Clark Phillips came in at a Utah 335 00:16:22,240 --> 00:16:26,040 Speaker 1: five night four. I mean he's a slot. Yeah, he's 336 00:16:26,040 --> 00:16:31,040 Speaker 1: probably just a slot. Do you see them drafting a slot? Um? 337 00:16:31,040 --> 00:16:33,480 Speaker 1: Not where you're gonna have to draft those guys? No, right, right, 338 00:16:33,680 --> 00:16:35,560 Speaker 1: I have a hard time doing that. I mean sure, 339 00:16:35,600 --> 00:16:37,560 Speaker 1: I'd rather have him most likely in today's and I 340 00:16:37,600 --> 00:16:39,640 Speaker 1: mean if you're if you're drafting a slot again, that's 341 00:16:39,720 --> 00:16:42,160 Speaker 1: that's the beauty of Brian Branch is that he can 342 00:16:42,200 --> 00:16:45,560 Speaker 1: play a lot. Christianazzalez said he's more than capable of 343 00:16:45,560 --> 00:16:48,120 Speaker 1: playing in the slot. Everybody says that, and I'm sure 344 00:16:48,120 --> 00:16:51,760 Speaker 1: he'll be fine there, you know, but yeah, okay, I 345 00:16:51,760 --> 00:16:53,320 Speaker 1: mean I think he's more of an outside guy. But 346 00:16:53,400 --> 00:16:56,200 Speaker 1: I mean, m sure I could do it. Yeah. Another 347 00:16:56,240 --> 00:16:58,200 Speaker 1: guy that we haven't talked a ton about is Terrell 348 00:16:58,240 --> 00:17:01,320 Speaker 1: Smith out of Minnesota. Another guy don't know much about 349 00:17:01,400 --> 00:17:03,440 Speaker 1: but they're starting to be more buzz more buzz six 350 00:17:03,480 --> 00:17:07,120 Speaker 1: foot two hundred and four pounds, so they are. Yeah, 351 00:17:07,160 --> 00:17:10,160 Speaker 1: and he's not lean though. Yeah, but thirty three arms. Wow. 352 00:17:10,480 --> 00:17:12,119 Speaker 1: So I mean that's exactly what I wanted to hear 353 00:17:12,119 --> 00:17:14,520 Speaker 1: about him. Yeah, I mean that that bodes well for 354 00:17:14,640 --> 00:17:17,040 Speaker 1: him at this event. Yeah, this will be a big 355 00:17:17,080 --> 00:17:18,399 Speaker 1: evening for him then, or a big you know, the 356 00:17:18,440 --> 00:17:21,160 Speaker 1: next couple of hours for him. Absolutely, just looking here 357 00:17:21,160 --> 00:17:26,040 Speaker 1: at the other the other South Carolina cornerback adore him. Yeah. 358 00:17:26,040 --> 00:17:29,240 Speaker 1: He came six two eight, yeah with thirty three and 359 00:17:29,280 --> 00:17:32,160 Speaker 1: three eighth since arm. He is feisty. I mean, people 360 00:17:32,200 --> 00:17:34,320 Speaker 1: tried to pick on him and he quickly decide that's 361 00:17:34,320 --> 00:17:37,720 Speaker 1: not a great idea really good senior bowl. I think 362 00:17:37,720 --> 00:17:40,680 Speaker 1: he has an interesting background. He played a different sport 363 00:17:40,920 --> 00:17:43,359 Speaker 1: or I forget what it was, but there was something 364 00:17:43,400 --> 00:17:46,480 Speaker 1: of note that he wasn't he had an interesting path 365 00:17:46,560 --> 00:17:49,560 Speaker 1: if I'm correct. Yeah, maybe not, but he's got your 366 00:17:50,080 --> 00:17:54,199 Speaker 1: I mean just prototypical NFL. His attitude and things make 367 00:17:54,280 --> 00:17:56,600 Speaker 1: me think he could be a stealer. Yeah. I think 368 00:17:56,600 --> 00:18:00,000 Speaker 1: that there's some stuff that they'll like a lot about him. Absolutely. Yeah, 369 00:18:00,040 --> 00:18:02,280 Speaker 1: we're gonna take a break. He is Matt Williamson. I 370 00:18:02,320 --> 00:18:05,080 Speaker 1: am Dale Lally. You're listening to The Drive live from 371 00:18:05,119 --> 00:18:08,200 Speaker 1: the NFL Scouting Combine here in Indianapolis. We'll be back 372 00:18:08,200 --> 00:18:21,080 Speaker 1: with more right after this. Live from Indianapolis, they sees 373 00:18:21,160 --> 00:18:25,719 Speaker 1: the twenty twenty three NFL Combine on Steelers Nation Radio. 374 00:18:28,320 --> 00:18:31,439 Speaker 1: Welcome back. I'm Dale Lally. He is Matt Williamson. This 375 00:18:31,600 --> 00:18:34,000 Speaker 1: is the Drive. We are the Drive team, and this 376 00:18:34,080 --> 00:18:37,040 Speaker 1: is our Drive time. That's kind of where the name 377 00:18:37,040 --> 00:18:39,960 Speaker 1: comes from. I believe, indeed, indeed, Matt, there's a little 378 00:18:39,960 --> 00:18:42,840 Speaker 1: football you know, let's going on game winning drive or 379 00:18:42,880 --> 00:18:46,720 Speaker 1: whatever too. A little correlation there, I guess, yeah, yeah, whatever. 380 00:18:47,520 --> 00:18:51,400 Speaker 1: But yeah, So we are wrapping up our final day 381 00:18:51,400 --> 00:18:55,800 Speaker 1: of coverage here live from the Scouting Combine here in Indianapolis, 382 00:18:56,160 --> 00:18:58,959 Speaker 1: and uh we want to hear in about half an 383 00:18:58,960 --> 00:19:01,719 Speaker 1: hour or so, the quarterbacks up again. Some backs are 384 00:19:01,720 --> 00:19:04,520 Speaker 1: going to take to the field and start their workouts. 385 00:19:04,600 --> 00:19:07,320 Speaker 1: Can't wait to see him. They're warming up. I'm sure 386 00:19:07,359 --> 00:19:10,200 Speaker 1: the stretching is happening as we speak. The measurements are 387 00:19:10,200 --> 00:19:13,000 Speaker 1: all uh starting to come in there on those guys, 388 00:19:13,040 --> 00:19:15,520 Speaker 1: and uh, well, Gorse is warming up of course is 389 00:19:15,560 --> 00:19:19,480 Speaker 1: getting his started start starting time. Mark gorsk Uh, the 390 00:19:19,520 --> 00:19:24,080 Speaker 1: Steeler scout always does the starts on the forty times. 391 00:19:24,200 --> 00:19:27,439 Speaker 1: So that's always an important job, it really is. And 392 00:19:27,480 --> 00:19:29,760 Speaker 1: he's done that for a long time. Yeah, he always 393 00:19:29,760 --> 00:19:31,359 Speaker 1: gets some good face down. Of course, the Steelers have 394 00:19:31,440 --> 00:19:34,520 Speaker 1: some other coaches that are working the on the field workout, 395 00:19:34,640 --> 00:19:37,320 Speaker 1: or they have them more than anybody that's actually on 396 00:19:37,359 --> 00:19:39,760 Speaker 1: the field today. Yeah, you know you have to be 397 00:19:39,800 --> 00:19:41,359 Speaker 1: I mean with Gorse and all those guys, you know, 398 00:19:41,400 --> 00:19:44,560 Speaker 1: the position stuff and the line guy, I mean with 399 00:19:44,720 --> 00:19:48,240 Speaker 1: d line coach, secondary coach, right, Yeah, Grady Brown, he'll 400 00:19:48,240 --> 00:19:50,920 Speaker 1: be out there running stuff today. Yeah, he'll be very prominent. 401 00:19:51,000 --> 00:19:54,360 Speaker 1: And he was the defensive coordinator for the national team 402 00:19:54,400 --> 00:19:56,320 Speaker 1: at the Senior Bowl, so he's got a little extra 403 00:19:57,040 --> 00:19:59,439 Speaker 1: knowledge with some of these guys and uh that that 404 00:19:59,440 --> 00:20:01,560 Speaker 1: could come to play as well. Yeah, Betty knows a 405 00:20:01,560 --> 00:20:04,720 Speaker 1: lot these dudes from the Senior Bowl. Yeah, um, Sydney 406 00:20:04,720 --> 00:20:09,439 Speaker 1: Brown talk a little more safety since the defensive bactually 407 00:20:09,600 --> 00:20:11,760 Speaker 1: be working out today. Speaking of Senior Bowl, I mean, 408 00:20:11,760 --> 00:20:14,320 Speaker 1: the Browns were very prominent there. The Brown brothers were 409 00:20:14,400 --> 00:20:18,200 Speaker 1: very prominent there. They get an interesting background, they really do. 410 00:20:18,480 --> 00:20:21,320 Speaker 1: I mean they've had. They're they're like each other's best 411 00:20:21,359 --> 00:20:24,119 Speaker 1: friends and are totally together and from they did a 412 00:20:24,119 --> 00:20:27,280 Speaker 1: big feature them during the Senior Bowl. They motivate each 413 00:20:27,280 --> 00:20:31,320 Speaker 1: other to extreme levels. You know, they're extremely competitive. Both 414 00:20:31,320 --> 00:20:32,800 Speaker 1: play on each side of the ball. I'm sure they've 415 00:20:32,840 --> 00:20:35,240 Speaker 1: tangled on the field of practice field in Illinois. You know, 416 00:20:35,560 --> 00:20:38,280 Speaker 1: good players and both both good players, are both gonna 417 00:20:38,320 --> 00:20:40,480 Speaker 1: end up in the NFL. I think the safety is 418 00:20:40,520 --> 00:20:43,240 Speaker 1: better than the running back and certainly more Steeler relevant, 419 00:20:43,359 --> 00:20:46,680 Speaker 1: you know, but tough guys. I think they both had 420 00:20:46,800 --> 00:20:49,880 Speaker 1: very difficult upbringings and really leaned on each other to 421 00:20:49,920 --> 00:20:53,119 Speaker 1: get where they're. Yeah, yeah, they were. I believe they 422 00:20:53,200 --> 00:20:58,520 Speaker 1: moved to Florida when they were sixteen. Um they were. 423 00:20:58,560 --> 00:21:02,320 Speaker 1: They were raising Canada um before that, and went to 424 00:21:02,359 --> 00:21:06,359 Speaker 1: Florida to become you know, to get into the league 425 00:21:06,680 --> 00:21:09,000 Speaker 1: or to get into college football, and it's worked out 426 00:21:09,000 --> 00:21:12,359 Speaker 1: for him. They're both obviously tremendous athletes and uh, you know, 427 00:21:12,359 --> 00:21:16,960 Speaker 1: one of the comps on On and Sydney and Sydney 428 00:21:17,480 --> 00:21:20,240 Speaker 1: uh was Troy Polamalo. Will be some of that's because 429 00:21:20,240 --> 00:21:22,560 Speaker 1: of the hair. It's a little rich, you know, Yeah, 430 00:21:22,720 --> 00:21:24,880 Speaker 1: but he's a physical in the box, do it all, 431 00:21:24,960 --> 00:21:27,560 Speaker 1: playmaking guy easy to root for, play the slot, can 432 00:21:27,600 --> 00:21:30,639 Speaker 1: do cover tight ends, do all that good stuff, everything 433 00:21:30,640 --> 00:21:32,400 Speaker 1: that you want. And uh we have a sound clip 434 00:21:32,400 --> 00:21:34,280 Speaker 1: from him coming up here later and later on the show, 435 00:21:34,320 --> 00:21:37,000 Speaker 1: I think too right or no, no, no, no, no no, 436 00:21:37,040 --> 00:21:40,600 Speaker 1: that's mom all screwed up here. You're completely screwed up. 437 00:21:40,600 --> 00:21:42,440 Speaker 1: I've been doing this a long time. Today. One guy 438 00:21:42,480 --> 00:21:45,040 Speaker 1: who is not screwed up is our our our guest, 439 00:21:45,280 --> 00:21:49,520 Speaker 1: Dame Bruckler of the Athletic And again for for guys 440 00:21:49,600 --> 00:21:52,800 Speaker 1: like yourself, Dane, who crunched tape all year long and 441 00:21:52,840 --> 00:21:55,399 Speaker 1: watch these guys, you're all year long. Uh, this has 442 00:21:55,440 --> 00:21:58,199 Speaker 1: got to be like the culmination right up until, you know, 443 00:21:58,320 --> 00:22:02,720 Speaker 1: kind of the the time between Thanksgiving and Christmas where 444 00:22:02,720 --> 00:22:04,879 Speaker 1: you're getting ready for Christmas, which will be the draft. 445 00:22:04,920 --> 00:22:07,120 Speaker 1: But you're okay, we gotta start. I really gotta start 446 00:22:07,119 --> 00:22:09,640 Speaker 1: shopping now, I really gotta start to pick this up. Well, 447 00:22:09,680 --> 00:22:12,720 Speaker 1: and that's there's always a little anxiety this week because yeah, 448 00:22:12,720 --> 00:22:14,560 Speaker 1: you've put so much work in the tape. And then 449 00:22:14,600 --> 00:22:17,240 Speaker 1: it's like, because that's the combines a big cross checking exercise. 450 00:22:17,400 --> 00:22:18,879 Speaker 1: You want to make sure what you saw on tape 451 00:22:19,119 --> 00:22:21,360 Speaker 1: is reflected in these numbers. And if a guy goes 452 00:22:21,359 --> 00:22:23,800 Speaker 1: out there and runs a totally different time than you expected, 453 00:22:23,840 --> 00:22:25,320 Speaker 1: it's like, oh man, what did I miss? Now I 454 00:22:25,320 --> 00:22:27,399 Speaker 1: gotta go back. And you know that's that's where the 455 00:22:28,400 --> 00:22:30,119 Speaker 1: a little bit of the anxiety is. You know that 456 00:22:30,359 --> 00:22:33,800 Speaker 1: perfect example at a barrier last night for Northwestern. Yeah, 457 00:22:33,800 --> 00:22:35,640 Speaker 1: they show me the tape where he's running a four 458 00:22:35,680 --> 00:22:38,240 Speaker 1: four nine and I mean nobody saw that coming on. No, No, 459 00:22:38,280 --> 00:22:40,000 Speaker 1: I mean I talked to him at the Senior Bowl 460 00:22:40,000 --> 00:22:41,320 Speaker 1: and I liked him. I'm like, sure if this guy 461 00:22:41,400 --> 00:22:44,280 Speaker 1: show it because he's shown up and you're like intriguing, 462 00:22:44,400 --> 00:22:46,840 Speaker 1: is he is he an end? Is he a defensive tackle? 463 00:22:46,880 --> 00:22:48,439 Speaker 1: What is he? Yea? And then he goes out and 464 00:22:48,440 --> 00:22:51,800 Speaker 1: does that, and you're like, can he play linebacker? Let's 465 00:22:51,800 --> 00:22:55,240 Speaker 1: say the tape says he's a fourth rounder and then okay, 466 00:22:55,280 --> 00:22:57,160 Speaker 1: he did really well at Senior Bowls, so actually bumped 467 00:22:57,240 --> 00:22:58,600 Speaker 1: him in my top one hundred. And you know this 468 00:22:58,880 --> 00:23:00,760 Speaker 1: because he was mostly at D but you play at 469 00:23:00,800 --> 00:23:03,320 Speaker 1: three technique where he uses that natural leverage us he's 470 00:23:03,320 --> 00:23:06,600 Speaker 1: got thirty four inch arms. Um, you know, there's explosion 471 00:23:06,680 --> 00:23:09,680 Speaker 1: with how he moves so but then okay, he runs 472 00:23:09,680 --> 00:23:11,879 Speaker 1: a four four nine at two eighty two pounds, and 473 00:23:11,920 --> 00:23:14,440 Speaker 1: it's like, okay, maybe I want him on a runway, 474 00:23:14,480 --> 00:23:17,160 Speaker 1: maybe a portune outside so he's got more more room 475 00:23:17,200 --> 00:23:20,320 Speaker 1: to run. And but yeah, I mean that's you want 476 00:23:20,359 --> 00:23:23,720 Speaker 1: the numbers to match up with what you see. It 477 00:23:23,720 --> 00:23:25,600 Speaker 1: can't be as simple as I don't know. You have 478 00:23:25,600 --> 00:23:27,480 Speaker 1: to go figure it out. You know what am I 479 00:23:27,520 --> 00:23:30,600 Speaker 1: missing here? Or sometimes it's as simple as you know. 480 00:23:30,640 --> 00:23:35,040 Speaker 1: The training now is so precise and scientific, so um, 481 00:23:35,280 --> 00:23:38,320 Speaker 1: you know that's that's catching up with the drills. But um, yeah, 482 00:23:38,800 --> 00:23:40,280 Speaker 1: it was good to see some guys out on the 483 00:23:40,280 --> 00:23:43,640 Speaker 1: field last night. Yeah, so people don't know. Dane puts 484 00:23:43,680 --> 00:23:45,920 Speaker 1: out the best draft guide out there, thank you, commonly 485 00:23:45,960 --> 00:23:48,119 Speaker 1: known as the Beast, and it really is. I mean, 486 00:23:48,160 --> 00:23:51,360 Speaker 1: it's unbelievably extensive. And one of the things that's most 487 00:23:51,400 --> 00:23:53,840 Speaker 1: impressive is all these kids backgrounds. They all come from 488 00:23:53,880 --> 00:23:57,399 Speaker 1: different paths and it really explains their story. So do 489 00:23:57,440 --> 00:23:59,199 Speaker 1: you have all that? Hey in the barn already? Have 490 00:23:59,280 --> 00:24:02,240 Speaker 1: you done all that? Okay, I mean that's something that happens, yeah, 491 00:24:02,280 --> 00:24:04,760 Speaker 1: because i've until now you see it out as the 492 00:24:04,800 --> 00:24:06,720 Speaker 1: interviews here and it's just free for all. You know, 493 00:24:06,720 --> 00:24:08,640 Speaker 1: it's hard to get questions that I want to ask 494 00:24:08,720 --> 00:24:10,800 Speaker 1: to these guys, so you get to find out, you know, 495 00:24:10,880 --> 00:24:15,640 Speaker 1: which teams they've talked to. Kid, if it's a drinking game, 496 00:24:15,680 --> 00:24:20,040 Speaker 1: we're all dead. You know. It's most of these guys 497 00:24:20,080 --> 00:24:21,960 Speaker 1: I've talked through throughout the season, and you know I 498 00:24:22,080 --> 00:24:23,840 Speaker 1: usually finished that up with the Senior Bowl when I 499 00:24:23,840 --> 00:24:25,720 Speaker 1: can have a chance that or the Shrine game, and 500 00:24:25,800 --> 00:24:28,360 Speaker 1: you know, talk to these guys more intimate basis, Um, 501 00:24:28,440 --> 00:24:31,160 Speaker 1: figure out because yeah, you're right, that's finding out their journey. 502 00:24:31,160 --> 00:24:33,520 Speaker 1: Where they're from, helps you play a lot where they're headed, 503 00:24:33,560 --> 00:24:36,600 Speaker 1: you know. And how long have you been playing football? Uh? 504 00:24:36,640 --> 00:24:38,280 Speaker 1: You know one guy who started at six years old, 505 00:24:38,280 --> 00:24:40,720 Speaker 1: another started at junior in high school. Like that that 506 00:24:40,800 --> 00:24:44,320 Speaker 1: tells you something. Um, you know their family background and uh, 507 00:24:44,359 --> 00:24:48,320 Speaker 1: you know other sports they've played. Right. Luke Musgrave is 508 00:24:48,320 --> 00:24:51,520 Speaker 1: the perfect example. He was a four sport athlete in 509 00:24:51,560 --> 00:24:53,600 Speaker 1: high school. And I've yet to find one person who 510 00:24:53,800 --> 00:24:56,040 Speaker 1: could guess on the first try the four sports that 511 00:24:56,440 --> 00:24:58,040 Speaker 1: I know. One of them is downhill skiing is the 512 00:24:58,119 --> 00:25:02,640 Speaker 1: te you know, one of them's football, but the other 513 00:25:02,640 --> 00:25:05,919 Speaker 1: two are tracking lacrosse, so you know everet to basketball. Yeah, 514 00:25:05,960 --> 00:25:08,119 Speaker 1: so it's four sports that you usually don't don't get 515 00:25:08,160 --> 00:25:12,000 Speaker 1: together so that you know, it helps you understand the 516 00:25:12,000 --> 00:25:14,040 Speaker 1: player a little bit. These are all puzzle pieces. Yeah, 517 00:25:14,040 --> 00:25:16,159 Speaker 1: we were just talking about the Brown brothers. Yeah, you 518 00:25:16,280 --> 00:25:19,119 Speaker 1: are the journey that that those Canadians and you know, 519 00:25:19,440 --> 00:25:21,080 Speaker 1: they had their struggles growing up and they had a 520 00:25:21,160 --> 00:25:23,760 Speaker 1: chance to go to Florida when they were sixteen years 521 00:25:23,760 --> 00:25:27,240 Speaker 1: old and um, you know live with you know, host 522 00:25:27,320 --> 00:25:29,800 Speaker 1: parents and then that really helped them. And you know 523 00:25:29,840 --> 00:25:32,480 Speaker 1: it's been with Chase two, starting at Western Michigan and 524 00:25:32,520 --> 00:25:35,320 Speaker 1: then joining his brother Sydney and Illinois and um, I mean, 525 00:25:35,359 --> 00:25:37,679 Speaker 1: how all these guys have had those diverse backgrounds and 526 00:25:37,720 --> 00:25:40,240 Speaker 1: it's it's it's fun on a personal level to learn 527 00:25:40,280 --> 00:25:42,560 Speaker 1: about that, but it's also an important part of the evaluation. 528 00:25:42,600 --> 00:25:44,439 Speaker 1: And some of them are five star recruits that have 529 00:25:44,480 --> 00:25:47,240 Speaker 1: been stars since they were ten years old and treated accordingly. 530 00:25:47,320 --> 00:25:49,000 Speaker 1: Some of them had the bite and scratcher everything they 531 00:25:49,040 --> 00:25:51,159 Speaker 1: got and it shows a lot. Yeah, and some of 532 00:25:51,160 --> 00:25:52,879 Speaker 1: them are Yeah on the mick, I mean Nolan Smith, 533 00:25:52,920 --> 00:25:54,720 Speaker 1: he's a five star. I mean he was the top 534 00:25:54,760 --> 00:25:57,360 Speaker 1: guy in the country. But he's as the nicest human 535 00:25:57,400 --> 00:25:59,159 Speaker 1: being you ever meet. You in the first round though 536 00:25:59,800 --> 00:26:02,080 Speaker 1: he coming into the week, he was my number nineteen player, 537 00:26:02,160 --> 00:26:05,119 Speaker 1: So I always I mean because he you see it 538 00:26:05,160 --> 00:26:08,320 Speaker 1: on film, and he's not only just juice off the edge, 539 00:26:08,320 --> 00:26:10,040 Speaker 1: he's a really good run defender. Because that's what they 540 00:26:10,040 --> 00:26:11,720 Speaker 1: asked him to do with that Georgia scheme. You know, 541 00:26:11,760 --> 00:26:13,679 Speaker 1: you're you're doing a lot of reading, you're doing a 542 00:26:13,680 --> 00:26:16,440 Speaker 1: lot of playing in space. Um, you know, the character 543 00:26:16,440 --> 00:26:19,080 Speaker 1: stuffs off the charts. Um. It just really came down 544 00:26:19,080 --> 00:26:20,480 Speaker 1: to was he healthy. You know, we had the peck 545 00:26:20,520 --> 00:26:22,600 Speaker 1: injury in the Florida game, missed the second half of 546 00:26:22,640 --> 00:26:25,760 Speaker 1: the year. But something that you know, a scout pointed 547 00:26:25,760 --> 00:26:28,560 Speaker 1: out to me was he you know, most guys they 548 00:26:28,560 --> 00:26:30,920 Speaker 1: get hurt the second half of their final year, they're 549 00:26:30,960 --> 00:26:34,359 Speaker 1: going to rehab, their training, they're they're turning the page 550 00:26:34,440 --> 00:26:36,760 Speaker 1: to their next chapter. Right, Nolan Smith was on the 551 00:26:36,760 --> 00:26:39,240 Speaker 1: sideline for every single game. That was one of the 552 00:26:39,280 --> 00:26:41,440 Speaker 1: things the Steelers like by George Pickens is there you go. 553 00:26:41,600 --> 00:26:43,480 Speaker 1: You know, he worked his way back because it was 554 00:26:43,520 --> 00:26:46,040 Speaker 1: important to him exactly, and he's he's he's got the 555 00:26:46,040 --> 00:26:48,800 Speaker 1: headphones on or you know the headset, he's acting like 556 00:26:48,840 --> 00:26:51,560 Speaker 1: an extra coach. He's he's helping his teammates. You know, 557 00:26:51,600 --> 00:26:53,600 Speaker 1: like that mattered to him, and that does not go 558 00:26:53,720 --> 00:26:58,000 Speaker 1: unnoticed by NFL scouts. In terms of this court, we're 559 00:26:58,000 --> 00:27:00,840 Speaker 1: gonna see the cornerbacks on the field to I can't wait. Um, 560 00:27:01,880 --> 00:27:03,399 Speaker 1: we know who the top three guys are, and it 561 00:27:03,440 --> 00:27:05,360 Speaker 1: doesn't matter what order you have them in, and we've 562 00:27:05,359 --> 00:27:07,760 Speaker 1: we've been talking about them a lot here. Do you 563 00:27:07,800 --> 00:27:10,280 Speaker 1: see a big separation there after the top three? Is 564 00:27:10,280 --> 00:27:12,320 Speaker 1: there is there somebody else that you think could be 565 00:27:12,359 --> 00:27:16,040 Speaker 1: in that range? It's say seventeen for the Steelers. Personally, 566 00:27:16,040 --> 00:27:19,040 Speaker 1: I see a big I have Christian Gonzalez to me 567 00:27:19,119 --> 00:27:22,520 Speaker 1: is the clear guy. Okay for me, that's UM. And 568 00:27:22,560 --> 00:27:25,800 Speaker 1: I think after tonight that might not be Um. You know, 569 00:27:25,840 --> 00:27:27,960 Speaker 1: it might be a little bit more accepted among people 570 00:27:27,960 --> 00:27:30,119 Speaker 1: because he's gonna just be ridiculous to his family as 571 00:27:30,119 --> 00:27:33,080 Speaker 1: a crazy track background too. That's that's it's a great 572 00:27:33,080 --> 00:27:34,760 Speaker 1: example of the background. And his dad was a six 573 00:27:34,880 --> 00:27:37,560 Speaker 1: nine semi pro basketball player, you know, like in obviously 574 00:27:37,560 --> 00:27:41,000 Speaker 1: his sisters with their accomplishments in track and UM, and 575 00:27:41,160 --> 00:27:43,720 Speaker 1: you know, he's grown up around. You know, David Blow 576 00:27:43,840 --> 00:27:46,439 Speaker 1: is his brother in law. Um, you know he's this 577 00:27:46,600 --> 00:27:49,679 Speaker 1: is normal for him. Yeah, that's since he was ten 578 00:27:49,760 --> 00:27:51,639 Speaker 1: years old. He's been playing catch with David Blown, so 579 00:27:51,680 --> 00:27:54,320 Speaker 1: you know he's he's grown up around this. Um. But 580 00:27:54,359 --> 00:27:56,480 Speaker 1: the tape also matches. It's not just what he's gonna 581 00:27:56,520 --> 00:27:58,359 Speaker 1: do today. I think the tape matches from from me. 582 00:27:58,720 --> 00:28:00,720 Speaker 1: Christian Gonzalez is a top. I think he's the more 583 00:28:00,720 --> 00:28:03,359 Speaker 1: five overall on my board, So I mean he's I 584 00:28:03,640 --> 00:28:07,120 Speaker 1: think the Lions at six or yeah, absolutely right. Um. 585 00:28:07,160 --> 00:28:10,720 Speaker 1: And then you know I with Devin Weatherspoon and Joey Porter, um, 586 00:28:10,880 --> 00:28:12,840 Speaker 1: and these are different types of corners. Joey Porter is 587 00:28:12,880 --> 00:28:14,840 Speaker 1: the guy that you know, he wants to park right 588 00:28:14,880 --> 00:28:18,440 Speaker 1: in front of you, be disruptive, press and totally disruptive 589 00:28:18,480 --> 00:28:21,159 Speaker 1: rhythm of the route from the get go. Um. You know, 590 00:28:21,280 --> 00:28:23,159 Speaker 1: he's just he's a little bit different than some of 591 00:28:23,200 --> 00:28:28,280 Speaker 1: these other corners. After that, we're familiar with his fathers were. Yeah, 592 00:28:28,320 --> 00:28:30,560 Speaker 1: but you can bet that would be pretty cool if 593 00:28:30,560 --> 00:28:33,560 Speaker 1: he you know, I've seen running around the Steelers for 594 00:28:34,160 --> 00:28:37,679 Speaker 1: ten years exactly. You can bet that'd be a you know, 595 00:28:37,760 --> 00:28:41,680 Speaker 1: and low hanging fruit storyline for for for everybody, but uh, 596 00:28:41,720 --> 00:28:43,400 Speaker 1: you know it would be I know it'd mean a 597 00:28:43,400 --> 00:28:45,400 Speaker 1: lot to his family town, you know, because it's just 598 00:28:45,440 --> 00:28:50,080 Speaker 1: the connections with not only the city, but yeah, the organization. 599 00:28:50,200 --> 00:28:53,480 Speaker 1: So um, after that, I'm really Deontay Banks from Maryland. 600 00:28:53,480 --> 00:28:55,160 Speaker 1: I think he's a really good player. Um, you know, 601 00:28:55,200 --> 00:28:56,959 Speaker 1: throwing the Ohio State tape and you can you can 602 00:28:57,000 --> 00:28:59,680 Speaker 1: see an NFL starter when he trusts his technique. He 603 00:28:59,720 --> 00:29:02,000 Speaker 1: looks like an NFL starter. So, uh, is this is 604 00:29:02,040 --> 00:29:05,080 Speaker 1: a corner group that it stretches a little bit, you know, 605 00:29:05,560 --> 00:29:08,000 Speaker 1: Keiley Ringo, he's gonna blow the doors off this place 606 00:29:08,040 --> 00:29:09,880 Speaker 1: six two, two fifteen and he's going to run in 607 00:29:09,920 --> 00:29:12,840 Speaker 1: the four threes. Um. You know the tape isn't consistent, 608 00:29:12,920 --> 00:29:16,040 Speaker 1: but man, the the athlete that you're getting is pretty 609 00:29:16,040 --> 00:29:18,800 Speaker 1: hard as it. Right, That's the thing is. And you 610 00:29:18,840 --> 00:29:22,200 Speaker 1: think about you remember, you know, um, Tyson Campbell coming 611 00:29:22,200 --> 00:29:24,760 Speaker 1: out of Georgia starting to play really well for the 612 00:29:24,800 --> 00:29:26,400 Speaker 1: Jeft fell in the second round. Because it's a lot 613 00:29:26,400 --> 00:29:28,720 Speaker 1: of the same questions. Um, but you know he's a 614 00:29:28,720 --> 00:29:30,040 Speaker 1: good athlete and you have to look at what they 615 00:29:30,040 --> 00:29:32,400 Speaker 1: were coached to do. Um, it's a lot of side saddle. 616 00:29:32,400 --> 00:29:34,080 Speaker 1: It's a lot of you know, turn your hips at 617 00:29:34,080 --> 00:29:36,320 Speaker 1: the snap and you retreat and things. That's what it 618 00:29:36,360 --> 00:29:40,480 Speaker 1: makes cornerback evaluations, I think for NFL teams so difficult 619 00:29:40,560 --> 00:29:43,800 Speaker 1: because and safety tbs right being asked to do completely 620 00:29:43,800 --> 00:29:45,440 Speaker 1: different things than what they're going to be asked to 621 00:29:45,440 --> 00:29:49,200 Speaker 1: do in the NFL exactly. And it does make it 622 00:29:49,200 --> 00:29:51,840 Speaker 1: tough at times because it's it's a it's a projection. 623 00:29:51,880 --> 00:29:54,520 Speaker 1: If they were only asked to be a an off 624 00:29:54,600 --> 00:29:58,160 Speaker 1: man corner or you're playing nothing but zone, it makes 625 00:29:58,160 --> 00:30:02,320 Speaker 1: it very different than many man cover drops. That's the 626 00:30:02,320 --> 00:30:05,120 Speaker 1: brutal part, very important part of the evaluation, understanding what 627 00:30:05,120 --> 00:30:07,600 Speaker 1: they were asked to do, and uh, you know what 628 00:30:08,080 --> 00:30:10,840 Speaker 1: can they cover inside? Can they cover a slot in 629 00:30:10,920 --> 00:30:13,920 Speaker 1: the nickel? Are they purely a perimeter or were they 630 00:30:13,920 --> 00:30:15,440 Speaker 1: all where are you always in the boundary? You know, 631 00:30:15,520 --> 00:30:18,200 Speaker 1: all these things are all the when you evaluate coin 632 00:30:18,280 --> 00:30:20,040 Speaker 1: or you have to pay attention to to understand what 633 00:30:20,080 --> 00:30:21,680 Speaker 1: he was asked to do and what he could be 634 00:30:21,680 --> 00:30:24,160 Speaker 1: at the next level. And sometimes safeties go play after 635 00:30:24,200 --> 00:30:26,320 Speaker 1: play without being involved, you know, which is really tough 636 00:30:26,440 --> 00:30:28,680 Speaker 1: and yeah, is that what they're being coached to do? 637 00:30:28,760 --> 00:30:31,760 Speaker 1: Are they being ultra conservative? Are they not seeing it? 638 00:30:31,880 --> 00:30:35,760 Speaker 1: I mean, safety can be, especially with specific schemes, can 639 00:30:35,800 --> 00:30:38,280 Speaker 1: be definitely one of the tougher positions to evaluate. Yeah, 640 00:30:38,480 --> 00:30:41,640 Speaker 1: so off the ball linebackers, they they're all their Hayes 641 00:30:41,680 --> 00:30:44,560 Speaker 1: in the barn. They got everything out of the way. Um, 642 00:30:44,680 --> 00:30:47,240 Speaker 1: Steelers were very weak at that position this past where 643 00:30:47,560 --> 00:30:50,560 Speaker 1: I think they'll address it in free agency. But who 644 00:30:50,600 --> 00:30:53,760 Speaker 1: do you like to play early at that position? Drew 645 00:30:53,800 --> 00:30:57,400 Speaker 1: Sanders from from Arkansas. He's, uh, he's a natural. I 646 00:30:57,400 --> 00:31:00,320 Speaker 1: mean he's been he's been groomed for this sense. He 647 00:31:00,440 --> 00:31:02,440 Speaker 1: was like five years old. His dad's a college coach 648 00:31:02,560 --> 00:31:05,280 Speaker 1: or a high school coach. Um, you know, he's he's 649 00:31:05,320 --> 00:31:07,320 Speaker 1: just I mean since he was little, he's been on 650 00:31:07,360 --> 00:31:11,000 Speaker 1: a nutrition program like like he's you know, really been 651 00:31:11,000 --> 00:31:13,680 Speaker 1: trained for this moment um. He couldn't get on the 652 00:31:13,680 --> 00:31:15,680 Speaker 1: field in Alabama because he had an injury, and you know, 653 00:31:15,720 --> 00:31:18,479 Speaker 1: he was playing behind some guys. Saban didn't want him 654 00:31:18,480 --> 00:31:19,960 Speaker 1: to leave. I mean he was trying to keep him there. 655 00:31:20,200 --> 00:31:22,440 Speaker 1: Goes to Arkansas and was he an edge and off 656 00:31:22,480 --> 00:31:26,400 Speaker 1: the ball with Bama edge, they played him more and 657 00:31:27,800 --> 00:31:30,080 Speaker 1: so they he moved to more of an off ball up, 658 00:31:30,080 --> 00:31:32,480 Speaker 1: but he's still they he had plenty of pass rush 659 00:31:32,480 --> 00:31:35,160 Speaker 1: reps in that defense, and um, I mean he was 660 00:31:35,560 --> 00:31:38,080 Speaker 1: the numbers he put up just uh, he filled a 661 00:31:38,080 --> 00:31:41,320 Speaker 1: stat sheet every single category, just really impressive. So the 662 00:31:41,360 --> 00:31:43,920 Speaker 1: athlete that he is and how he's he's gonna get 663 00:31:43,920 --> 00:31:46,600 Speaker 1: a lot of latent Vanderesh cops um. But you know, 664 00:31:46,600 --> 00:31:48,520 Speaker 1: as he keeps getting better and better, I think he 665 00:31:48,560 --> 00:31:51,080 Speaker 1: could play right now, but he's still far from the ceiling. 666 00:31:51,120 --> 00:31:53,640 Speaker 1: So I think, yeah, he's a better pass rusher than 667 00:31:53,720 --> 00:31:56,640 Speaker 1: Vanderesh ever was. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, definitely definitely, So 668 00:31:56,720 --> 00:31:58,479 Speaker 1: somewhere in the top twenty five he's gonna come off 669 00:31:58,520 --> 00:32:02,360 Speaker 1: the ball like Jack Campbell was more. Yeah, that makes sense, 670 00:32:02,560 --> 00:32:04,880 Speaker 1: that makes sense. Yeah, And I think you know it's 671 00:32:05,240 --> 00:32:08,560 Speaker 1: he certainly helped himself yesterday that three come times while 672 00:32:08,680 --> 00:32:12,400 Speaker 1: change of direction stuff is real good. Two hundred and 673 00:32:12,400 --> 00:32:14,600 Speaker 1: fifty pounds. Yeah, that's And he's a guy you want 674 00:32:14,640 --> 00:32:17,840 Speaker 1: to academic Heisman William V. Campbell Trophy. So this is 675 00:32:17,840 --> 00:32:20,440 Speaker 1: a player who off the field on the field, um 676 00:32:21,080 --> 00:32:24,120 Speaker 1: a coaching stream and you're talking about coachable and a 677 00:32:24,160 --> 00:32:26,080 Speaker 1: guy he don't have to worry about you know what 678 00:32:26,120 --> 00:32:29,280 Speaker 1: you're getting day and day out. You know, he's I 679 00:32:29,280 --> 00:32:30,800 Speaker 1: don't know if he gets to the first round, but 680 00:32:31,280 --> 00:32:33,120 Speaker 1: certainly it's hard to see him not going somewhere in 681 00:32:33,160 --> 00:32:35,720 Speaker 1: the second early starter probably, you know, some of these 682 00:32:35,760 --> 00:32:38,840 Speaker 1: definitely might take a little while. Sure, I think he's ready. 683 00:32:38,880 --> 00:32:40,040 Speaker 1: You look at what he has to do with that 684 00:32:40,320 --> 00:32:43,880 Speaker 1: Iowa defense and drop he can you know, you do 685 00:32:43,960 --> 00:32:46,440 Speaker 1: a lot of things. So one of my only issues 686 00:32:46,440 --> 00:32:47,920 Speaker 1: with him is just I wanted him to be more 687 00:32:47,960 --> 00:32:50,680 Speaker 1: of a thumper. I wanted him to, you know, instead 688 00:32:50,680 --> 00:32:52,160 Speaker 1: of waiting for the ball here to come to you 689 00:32:52,200 --> 00:32:54,680 Speaker 1: go get him. And but I think that's it's not 690 00:32:54,760 --> 00:32:57,360 Speaker 1: a lack of one too, is more just uh, you know, 691 00:32:57,400 --> 00:32:59,560 Speaker 1: something that you can coach with. It's hard to look 692 00:32:59,560 --> 00:33:01,440 Speaker 1: at that. I with defense, with the guys that they 693 00:33:01,480 --> 00:33:04,520 Speaker 1: have available in this draft, and like, okay, they had 694 00:33:04,560 --> 00:33:07,640 Speaker 1: some guys, Oh yeah, I mean Riley Moss at quarter, 695 00:33:08,600 --> 00:33:12,200 Speaker 1: Veryweather at safety, Lucas van nass Man, that guy, he's 696 00:33:12,280 --> 00:33:14,040 Speaker 1: gonna be a top toll pick for a reason. We're 697 00:33:14,040 --> 00:33:16,560 Speaker 1: not even a starter for them, But he played starter STAPs. 698 00:33:17,000 --> 00:33:19,520 Speaker 1: That's the important thing. So the power that he has, 699 00:33:20,400 --> 00:33:23,040 Speaker 1: he's just scratching the surface of how good he could be. 700 00:33:23,440 --> 00:33:26,320 Speaker 1: What's your take on Tipman the center from Wisconsin. It 701 00:33:27,240 --> 00:33:30,120 Speaker 1: seems a little freaky. I mean, and you can run 702 00:33:30,120 --> 00:33:31,920 Speaker 1: like that. I mean, I can't wait to watch his drill. 703 00:33:32,120 --> 00:33:34,640 Speaker 1: He's my top center this year. Yeah, I like him 704 00:33:34,640 --> 00:33:36,840 Speaker 1: better than John Michael Schmitz, who's a good player. But 705 00:33:36,920 --> 00:33:39,040 Speaker 1: I'm giving the edge of Tipman, who is a little 706 00:33:39,040 --> 00:33:41,920 Speaker 1: taller than most centers. We'll get it as official, but 707 00:33:42,080 --> 00:33:44,040 Speaker 1: probably six five and a half, close to six six. 708 00:33:44,840 --> 00:33:47,000 Speaker 1: But I you know, he's a left tackle in high school, 709 00:33:47,240 --> 00:33:49,720 Speaker 1: and you know, you know Wisconsin, they cross train, you know, 710 00:33:49,760 --> 00:33:51,800 Speaker 1: they want their guards to play centers, their centers and 711 00:33:51,880 --> 00:33:54,000 Speaker 1: how to play tackle, so they cross train at those 712 00:33:54,040 --> 00:33:56,400 Speaker 1: different positions. It just so happened to get the best 713 00:33:56,400 --> 00:33:58,200 Speaker 1: five on the field. Tipman was playing in center. But 714 00:33:58,560 --> 00:34:00,880 Speaker 1: there's no reason why he can't play guard. You know, 715 00:34:01,040 --> 00:34:02,560 Speaker 1: we talked about it like two hours ago, and I'm like, 716 00:34:02,600 --> 00:34:07,560 Speaker 1: I have no idea. Yeah, you know you was thinking that, right. Yeah, 717 00:34:07,640 --> 00:34:10,040 Speaker 1: So you think for a lot, especially teams that want 718 00:34:10,080 --> 00:34:12,680 Speaker 1: movement from their offensive linement guys, that he can certainly 719 00:34:12,719 --> 00:34:15,160 Speaker 1: do that. Um, maybe on the ground a little more 720 00:34:15,200 --> 00:34:17,839 Speaker 1: than you want, but he's a young player still learning. Um, 721 00:34:18,120 --> 00:34:20,440 Speaker 1: I think that he's somewhere in the top fifty, top 722 00:34:20,440 --> 00:34:22,880 Speaker 1: sixty picks that second round area. I think he'd be 723 00:34:22,920 --> 00:34:25,719 Speaker 1: a heck of a pick. Okay, yeah, interesting our guests 724 00:34:25,760 --> 00:34:28,239 Speaker 1: has been that Dame Brugler of the Athletic check out 725 00:34:28,280 --> 00:34:30,440 Speaker 1: the Beast. When does that come out? First week in April? 726 00:34:30,440 --> 00:34:32,960 Speaker 1: It's always the goal, so counting down. Yeah, I get 727 00:34:32,960 --> 00:34:35,640 Speaker 1: all the pro day information in there, and uh, you know, 728 00:34:35,719 --> 00:34:37,399 Speaker 1: it's just a lot a lot more work today when 729 00:34:37,400 --> 00:34:39,799 Speaker 1: you get that thing out, do you just like, all right, 730 00:34:41,160 --> 00:34:45,080 Speaker 1: so there's a little exact Yeah, there's so much, so 731 00:34:45,160 --> 00:34:47,080 Speaker 1: much stuff in there that you know, even a little 732 00:34:47,080 --> 00:34:50,319 Speaker 1: typo gets you a little like, oh shoot. But you know, 733 00:34:50,640 --> 00:34:52,800 Speaker 1: as soon as I hit send on the tweet that 734 00:34:52,800 --> 00:34:54,879 Speaker 1: says all right, guys, here it is. I just put 735 00:34:54,880 --> 00:34:57,000 Speaker 1: my phone down, I take my dog for a walk, 736 00:34:57,120 --> 00:34:59,920 Speaker 1: just try to divorce myself of the whole situation. Then 737 00:35:00,080 --> 00:35:02,440 Speaker 1: come back and my phone's blown up. I'm sure agents 738 00:35:02,480 --> 00:35:04,040 Speaker 1: and oh wow, why did you say this about my guy? 739 00:35:04,080 --> 00:35:07,520 Speaker 1: Or you know that's that comes of the deliver. Yeah, 740 00:35:07,920 --> 00:35:09,279 Speaker 1: you can't wait for it to be out. Yeah, I 741 00:35:09,320 --> 00:35:11,440 Speaker 1: can't wait to read it too. We always pour through that, 742 00:35:11,719 --> 00:35:14,840 Speaker 1: but we appreciate you coming on, Dane. He is Matt Williamson. 743 00:35:14,920 --> 00:35:16,880 Speaker 1: I am Dale Lolly. You're listening to the drive here 744 00:35:16,880 --> 00:35:19,120 Speaker 1: on Steelers Nation Radio. We are live at the NFL 745 00:35:19,160 --> 00:35:21,799 Speaker 1: Scouting Combine. We'll be back with more right after this. 746 00:35:31,320 --> 00:35:33,600 Speaker 1: You were tuned to live cover each of the twenty 747 00:35:33,680 --> 00:35:40,279 Speaker 1: twenty three NFL Combine on Steelers Nation Radio. Welcome back. 748 00:35:40,440 --> 00:35:43,440 Speaker 1: I am Dale Lollly. He is Matt Williamson, and of 749 00:35:43,440 --> 00:35:46,560 Speaker 1: course we are live from the NFL Scouting Combine here 750 00:35:46,560 --> 00:35:49,880 Speaker 1: in Indianapolis. And is that we've talked about. The Steelers 751 00:35:49,880 --> 00:35:54,040 Speaker 1: front office has a bunch of new faces handling this 752 00:35:54,120 --> 00:35:56,560 Speaker 1: stuff this year. And usually we you know, we always 753 00:35:56,600 --> 00:35:59,239 Speaker 1: get the Steelers Director pro Scouting will come in and 754 00:35:59,280 --> 00:36:02,680 Speaker 1: talk to us this week about everything that's uh, you know, 755 00:36:02,760 --> 00:36:05,600 Speaker 1: going on for them this week, because the pro scouting 756 00:36:05,640 --> 00:36:09,000 Speaker 1: guys aren't quite as you do stuff here, but you 757 00:36:09,080 --> 00:36:11,560 Speaker 1: probably aren't as busy as some of the college am 758 00:36:11,600 --> 00:36:13,080 Speaker 1: I hum. And we'll go a free agent rout in 759 00:36:13,120 --> 00:36:16,359 Speaker 1: the corner, which is obviously job number one. Curious how 760 00:36:16,400 --> 00:36:18,799 Speaker 1: they handle it because some of the pro guys might 761 00:36:18,800 --> 00:36:20,920 Speaker 1: just be you get the tight ends this week. You're 762 00:36:20,920 --> 00:36:23,280 Speaker 1: just a cross check or whatever, and we don't expect 763 00:36:23,280 --> 00:36:25,120 Speaker 1: you to go deep, deep, deep, deep deep into their 764 00:36:25,120 --> 00:36:27,879 Speaker 1: background and all that, but give me impressions of one 765 00:36:27,960 --> 00:36:30,520 Speaker 1: position or so, just another set of eyes on them. Yeah. 766 00:36:30,560 --> 00:36:32,960 Speaker 1: So we have an interview here with Sheldon White, who 767 00:36:33,040 --> 00:36:36,560 Speaker 1: is the Steelers director of pro scouting. Let's go ahead 768 00:36:36,600 --> 00:36:39,759 Speaker 1: and hear what the Sheldon? How did they say? All right? 769 00:36:39,920 --> 00:36:43,000 Speaker 1: Here at the combine and I'm joined by the director 770 00:36:43,000 --> 00:36:47,040 Speaker 1: of pro Scouting, Sheldon White. Sheldon, I just want to 771 00:36:47,080 --> 00:36:48,920 Speaker 1: ask you this first, just kind of the path to 772 00:36:49,000 --> 00:36:52,200 Speaker 1: hear right. I mean, you're you're a long time detroit Lyon, 773 00:36:52,560 --> 00:36:54,359 Speaker 1: worked in the front officer, you went to Michigan State, 774 00:36:54,480 --> 00:36:56,520 Speaker 1: was spartan for a little bit, and now you're a Steeler. 775 00:36:56,520 --> 00:36:59,520 Speaker 1: Can you just talk about your journey to the Steelers. 776 00:37:00,040 --> 00:37:01,680 Speaker 1: I'll take you a little farther back than that. Oc 777 00:37:01,840 --> 00:37:04,239 Speaker 1: He was at the NFL Combine in nineteen eighty eight 778 00:37:04,680 --> 00:37:08,000 Speaker 1: from Miami, Ohio, and then I got drafted sixty second 779 00:37:08,280 --> 00:37:10,960 Speaker 1: by the New York Giants in nineteen eighty eight, so 780 00:37:11,000 --> 00:37:13,359 Speaker 1: I started there and then when I was finished playing, 781 00:37:13,400 --> 00:37:15,400 Speaker 1: I went to Miami, Ohio to coach for three years. 782 00:37:15,719 --> 00:37:18,400 Speaker 1: After those three years, Detroit Lions hired me. I was 783 00:37:18,440 --> 00:37:21,200 Speaker 1: there for nineteen years. I finished up as an introon 784 00:37:21,280 --> 00:37:23,960 Speaker 1: general manager. When that was finished, I went to Michigan 785 00:37:24,000 --> 00:37:26,000 Speaker 1: State and joined my son. My son, Cody White was 786 00:37:26,040 --> 00:37:28,200 Speaker 1: coming the next year as mister football in the state 787 00:37:28,200 --> 00:37:30,960 Speaker 1: of Michigan, so I got hired a year before him 788 00:37:31,160 --> 00:37:33,799 Speaker 1: for three or four years, and then COVID hit sat 789 00:37:33,840 --> 00:37:36,160 Speaker 1: out through COVID, came back last year with the Washington 790 00:37:36,239 --> 00:37:39,560 Speaker 1: Commanders as an area scout, and then Omar hired me 791 00:37:39,560 --> 00:37:44,080 Speaker 1: as a director. Second stint with your son, not only 792 00:37:44,080 --> 00:37:46,480 Speaker 1: in the collegiate level, then the can you just talk 793 00:37:46,480 --> 00:37:49,480 Speaker 1: about kind of that relationship, but just to be able 794 00:37:49,520 --> 00:37:52,040 Speaker 1: to see your son and be around in the facility 795 00:37:52,040 --> 00:37:55,400 Speaker 1: with it. Yeah, It's an interesting dynamic because I literally 796 00:37:55,480 --> 00:37:58,040 Speaker 1: was not going to Michigan State. He was going to 797 00:37:58,120 --> 00:38:00,879 Speaker 1: Michigan State, A committed I was going to Indiana at 798 00:38:00,880 --> 00:38:03,600 Speaker 1: that moment. Two weeks before I was scheduled to go there, 799 00:38:03,800 --> 00:38:06,040 Speaker 1: he intercepted me. I end up at risk and stay 800 00:38:06,080 --> 00:38:08,640 Speaker 1: with him throughout his entire career. There was outstanding at 801 00:38:08,760 --> 00:38:10,880 Speaker 1: a lot of fun and then when that was over with, 802 00:38:11,719 --> 00:38:14,200 Speaker 1: I go to Washington. He's here for two years before 803 00:38:14,239 --> 00:38:16,480 Speaker 1: I get here, So I'm like, that's great. We got 804 00:38:16,520 --> 00:38:19,160 Speaker 1: two shots at the super Bowl thing here, right, he 805 00:38:19,239 --> 00:38:20,560 Speaker 1: can do your thing over here. I can do that 806 00:38:20,719 --> 00:38:23,120 Speaker 1: over here. And out of know where, Omar calls me 807 00:38:23,880 --> 00:38:26,839 Speaker 1: last summer and I'm here with them as well. It's 808 00:38:26,840 --> 00:38:30,160 Speaker 1: a great dynamic because when you're around your son and 809 00:38:30,200 --> 00:38:33,200 Speaker 1: he's competing at those highest levels. Both of our jobs 810 00:38:33,280 --> 00:38:36,879 Speaker 1: are so volatile. You have to bring it every day 811 00:38:36,880 --> 00:38:38,879 Speaker 1: and be ready to roll. If you're not, they will 812 00:38:38,880 --> 00:38:41,319 Speaker 1: find someone else to do it. So I keep telling him, 813 00:38:41,320 --> 00:38:43,359 Speaker 1: I want you to last year longer than I am. Now, 814 00:38:43,440 --> 00:38:46,040 Speaker 1: this is the college experience, This is them trying to 815 00:38:46,080 --> 00:38:47,640 Speaker 1: make it in. You deal with more of the guys 816 00:38:47,719 --> 00:38:50,839 Speaker 1: on the current side and how they're coming. What are 817 00:38:50,840 --> 00:38:52,680 Speaker 1: you working on this time of year and even though 818 00:38:52,680 --> 00:38:55,960 Speaker 1: you're at the combine, like, what's your focus during this time? Well? 819 00:38:56,120 --> 00:38:58,399 Speaker 1: The good thing about my experience and what I've done. 820 00:38:58,400 --> 00:39:00,840 Speaker 1: I started off as a blessed o areas out and 821 00:39:00,880 --> 00:39:02,520 Speaker 1: then I did an area and then I did a 822 00:39:02,560 --> 00:39:05,719 Speaker 1: college slash pro job. Then I started negotiating contracts and 823 00:39:05,760 --> 00:39:08,200 Speaker 1: then I was a VP of pro Personnel then I've 824 00:39:08,239 --> 00:39:10,600 Speaker 1: been an introm general manager, so I've done like the 825 00:39:10,600 --> 00:39:13,799 Speaker 1: whole gamut of the scouting. So it really helps for 826 00:39:13,960 --> 00:39:16,400 Speaker 1: the pro guys that are hired in that area to 827 00:39:16,480 --> 00:39:18,919 Speaker 1: get a feel for what they look like coming out. 828 00:39:19,160 --> 00:39:21,799 Speaker 1: When you draft a guy, you gotta sometimes develop them. 829 00:39:21,800 --> 00:39:23,359 Speaker 1: Some of the guys come in ready to go. Some 830 00:39:23,440 --> 00:39:25,479 Speaker 1: of them we may take them two or three years, 831 00:39:25,560 --> 00:39:28,480 Speaker 1: especially some positions like offensive line. It may take them 832 00:39:28,480 --> 00:39:30,560 Speaker 1: to a quarterback, it may take them a while to develop. 833 00:39:30,880 --> 00:39:32,600 Speaker 1: So you had the pro guys come in and they're 834 00:39:32,600 --> 00:39:34,920 Speaker 1: able to see what these guys still look at, why 835 00:39:34,960 --> 00:39:37,440 Speaker 1: they're coming out, and why they're in a development. On 836 00:39:37,560 --> 00:39:40,319 Speaker 1: the pro side, we're greating them every year, so you 837 00:39:40,360 --> 00:39:42,279 Speaker 1: want to make sure you're watching that development and you 838 00:39:42,320 --> 00:39:45,239 Speaker 1: can see them clymb or the Bell curve level off 839 00:39:45,360 --> 00:39:48,120 Speaker 1: and eventually flattened down or get injured along the way. 840 00:39:48,360 --> 00:39:50,960 Speaker 1: So you just want to have that perspective of seeing 841 00:39:51,000 --> 00:39:53,080 Speaker 1: what a player looks like coming out, because when we 842 00:39:53,120 --> 00:39:55,319 Speaker 1: signed players, they have to be ready to go now 843 00:39:55,840 --> 00:39:58,480 Speaker 1: in pro. On college side, they may be ready like 844 00:39:58,560 --> 00:40:00,759 Speaker 1: George Pickins walked right in and he was ready to go, 845 00:40:01,200 --> 00:40:02,960 Speaker 1: and they may not be ready and then you just 846 00:40:03,000 --> 00:40:05,319 Speaker 1: have to be a little patient, give us some time 847 00:40:05,320 --> 00:40:07,040 Speaker 1: to develop and see how we do. And we do 848 00:40:07,080 --> 00:40:09,080 Speaker 1: a great tip here doing that. We've heard over the 849 00:40:09,160 --> 00:40:12,440 Speaker 1: last couple of years about minorities getting the placement opportunities 850 00:40:12,440 --> 00:40:14,719 Speaker 1: in the higher level positions. Can you just just talk about 851 00:40:14,719 --> 00:40:17,239 Speaker 1: the importance of the minority Placement program and some of 852 00:40:17,239 --> 00:40:21,000 Speaker 1: the other initiatives by the Minority Football Coaches of Coalition 853 00:40:21,040 --> 00:40:24,520 Speaker 1: and the different organizations out there to promote minorities in 854 00:40:24,520 --> 00:40:27,040 Speaker 1: this part. Okay, I'll even go a little further than that. 855 00:40:27,160 --> 00:40:32,360 Speaker 1: I'm replacing OMAR the Women's Forum for additional female candidates 856 00:40:32,400 --> 00:40:35,440 Speaker 1: that are that are out there and available. Everyone needs 857 00:40:35,440 --> 00:40:37,600 Speaker 1: a little opportunity to become better at what they're doing. 858 00:40:38,080 --> 00:40:40,880 Speaker 1: I believe the NFL is a melting pot in itself, 859 00:40:41,000 --> 00:40:44,200 Speaker 1: and I believe in that structure. So like the faces 860 00:40:44,239 --> 00:40:47,399 Speaker 1: downstairs should look something like the faces upstairs sometimes. So 861 00:40:47,680 --> 00:40:50,319 Speaker 1: it's a good program that gives exposure and once you 862 00:40:50,360 --> 00:40:52,000 Speaker 1: get it, you just have to take your opportunity and 863 00:40:52,080 --> 00:40:53,719 Speaker 1: run with it. But it gives a lot of people 864 00:40:53,760 --> 00:40:56,319 Speaker 1: a chance to get inside the building and then show 865 00:40:56,360 --> 00:41:01,080 Speaker 1: who they are and then develop as employees. That was 866 00:41:01,239 --> 00:41:05,000 Speaker 1: Steelers director approach goout and Sheldon White with Max Starks 867 00:41:05,320 --> 00:41:10,719 Speaker 1: earlier this week, and good stuff from him there, Wesley Er. Yes, 868 00:41:10,760 --> 00:41:14,040 Speaker 1: it was absolutely Matthew Williamson using the facilities here, so 869 00:41:14,040 --> 00:41:15,640 Speaker 1: I figured I didn't want to leave you hang. Yeah, 870 00:41:15,640 --> 00:41:18,040 Speaker 1: I appreciate that. But I think that's cool, like fans 871 00:41:18,120 --> 00:41:20,719 Speaker 1: enjoy that kind of stuff. For us, it might be 872 00:41:20,719 --> 00:41:23,080 Speaker 1: a little mundane because you've heard those you know, you 873 00:41:23,120 --> 00:41:24,880 Speaker 1: know what they're talking about. You've heard those same things 874 00:41:24,920 --> 00:41:26,279 Speaker 1: a million times. But I think for a lot of 875 00:41:26,280 --> 00:41:28,680 Speaker 1: people who aren't as ingrained as we are, that's that's 876 00:41:28,719 --> 00:41:32,759 Speaker 1: fun stuff to hear. Yeah. Absolutely, And he's her son 877 00:41:32,800 --> 00:41:37,400 Speaker 1: on the team. Oh yeah, Cody White is his son Steelers. 878 00:41:37,560 --> 00:41:39,319 Speaker 1: He actually, yeah, I didn't know that. I've never heard 879 00:41:39,320 --> 00:41:41,880 Speaker 1: that before. Here you go absolutely learned something new every day, Westley, 880 00:41:41,880 --> 00:41:44,520 Speaker 1: You do learn something new every So how cool is that? Um, 881 00:41:44,560 --> 00:41:46,879 Speaker 1: And I've talked to Sheldon about this, but how cool 882 00:41:46,920 --> 00:41:48,959 Speaker 1: is it? Did you get to go to work Heck yeah, 883 00:41:49,040 --> 00:41:52,200 Speaker 1: with your son and watch your son, you know, play football. 884 00:41:52,280 --> 00:41:54,239 Speaker 1: That's all the NFL. That's really cool. I mean, that's 885 00:41:54,360 --> 00:41:56,680 Speaker 1: for him, that's got to be the best part about it. Right. 886 00:41:56,719 --> 00:41:58,279 Speaker 1: The game that he loves the game. Where he's made 887 00:41:58,360 --> 00:42:00,719 Speaker 1: is living now his son is you got himself to 888 00:42:00,760 --> 00:42:02,760 Speaker 1: the point where he's you know, got got the ability 889 00:42:02,800 --> 00:42:04,640 Speaker 1: to do the same. That is pretty cool. I didn't 890 00:42:04,640 --> 00:42:08,719 Speaker 1: know that. Yeah, so, um, you know that's the way 891 00:42:08,760 --> 00:42:11,440 Speaker 1: the league is. It's it's a uh you know, the 892 00:42:12,120 --> 00:42:16,440 Speaker 1: family matters huge, particularly to the Steelers because the Steelers 893 00:42:16,600 --> 00:42:19,640 Speaker 1: absolutely and uh, you know, I think the diversity stuff 894 00:42:19,920 --> 00:42:22,200 Speaker 1: um with the league and I know Sheldon did the 895 00:42:23,200 --> 00:42:27,359 Speaker 1: league's uh um diversity as as match was talking about 896 00:42:27,360 --> 00:42:31,920 Speaker 1: the the the the I don't want I want to 897 00:42:31,920 --> 00:42:33,560 Speaker 1: call it there it was. It was a it was 898 00:42:33,600 --> 00:42:35,560 Speaker 1: a program that there that the league has and they 899 00:42:35,560 --> 00:42:38,600 Speaker 1: brought all those guys together during the season this year 900 00:42:38,840 --> 00:42:42,120 Speaker 1: and he took part in that. Um. You know, I think, 901 00:42:42,360 --> 00:42:46,160 Speaker 1: you know, you have to identify those those guys, those 902 00:42:46,160 --> 00:42:49,760 Speaker 1: people who could potentially be that you know, a GM 903 00:42:50,000 --> 00:42:52,600 Speaker 1: where you know, sump up the ladder because you know 904 00:42:52,640 --> 00:42:55,759 Speaker 1: a lot of you know these guys internally, you know 905 00:42:55,800 --> 00:42:59,000 Speaker 1: with it within your own team, But that doesn't mean 906 00:42:59,040 --> 00:43:01,840 Speaker 1: that you know, the Kansas City Chiefs know who they 907 00:43:01,840 --> 00:43:04,520 Speaker 1: are sure, or the owner of the New Orleans Saints. 908 00:43:04,560 --> 00:43:07,040 Speaker 1: So I think that's really helpful that that they you know, 909 00:43:07,080 --> 00:43:09,400 Speaker 1: they give these guys a chance to do things like that. Yeah, 910 00:43:09,440 --> 00:43:13,880 Speaker 1: it is, and I should say and gals as well too. Yeah. Absolutely, 911 00:43:13,920 --> 00:43:16,759 Speaker 1: As you know, as you mentioned, as we've mentioned a 912 00:43:16,760 --> 00:43:19,400 Speaker 1: couple times in a weird way, like the football family 913 00:43:19,640 --> 00:43:23,239 Speaker 1: is huge, but you see that here when you walk 914 00:43:23,280 --> 00:43:26,719 Speaker 1: around starts. He can't go more than three minutes at 915 00:43:26,719 --> 00:43:29,239 Speaker 1: a time without running into somebody I was in my 916 00:43:29,680 --> 00:43:31,640 Speaker 1: was in my draft class, that guy I was trained 917 00:43:31,680 --> 00:43:33,839 Speaker 1: with him here, I did that, you know, right. But 918 00:43:33,880 --> 00:43:36,239 Speaker 1: while it's a big family, it's also very tight and 919 00:43:36,320 --> 00:43:38,919 Speaker 1: very interwoven too, because everybody, again, as you can see 920 00:43:38,960 --> 00:43:41,279 Speaker 1: from Max, went to college with somebody or had a 921 00:43:41,320 --> 00:43:43,880 Speaker 1: coach that coach somebody else, or an agent or whatever, 922 00:43:44,480 --> 00:43:47,040 Speaker 1: or a dad or a son, and the relationships these 923 00:43:47,040 --> 00:43:50,240 Speaker 1: players make here, you know, yeah, right, he talked about 924 00:43:50,239 --> 00:43:51,920 Speaker 1: this whole group. The one thing you know, all the 925 00:43:52,160 --> 00:43:54,320 Speaker 1: old lineman I went through with, you know, that's a bond. 926 00:43:54,400 --> 00:43:56,200 Speaker 1: They we're all in the same draft class. So you're 927 00:43:56,200 --> 00:44:00,560 Speaker 1: all here going through this competing against each other. But 928 00:44:01,000 --> 00:44:04,080 Speaker 1: you got going a little bit like hanging out at 929 00:44:04,080 --> 00:44:07,520 Speaker 1: the hotel. You're like, uh, where you're waiting for an MRI, 930 00:44:07,719 --> 00:44:09,600 Speaker 1: and there's some guy you've never met before in your life, 931 00:44:09,600 --> 00:44:11,800 Speaker 1: but you spent an hour waiting for an you know, 932 00:44:11,840 --> 00:44:14,200 Speaker 1: an MRI. So you start talking to if If Moates 933 00:44:14,239 --> 00:44:16,200 Speaker 1: was sitting here with us, him and Brandon Graham are 934 00:44:16,200 --> 00:44:19,000 Speaker 1: like that. Yeah, him and Brandon the same draft class, 935 00:44:19,040 --> 00:44:21,560 Speaker 1: were here together a bunch. They went on visits together 936 00:44:21,640 --> 00:44:24,000 Speaker 1: to like Philly and two other teams. I think he's 937 00:44:24,000 --> 00:44:26,200 Speaker 1: like me and Brandon Graham still talk, you know, not 938 00:44:26,239 --> 00:44:27,480 Speaker 1: all the time, but we still talk a couple of 939 00:44:27,480 --> 00:44:29,560 Speaker 1: times a year. He's like, we never played together. We 940 00:44:29,560 --> 00:44:31,200 Speaker 1: we just spent a lot of time together in that 941 00:44:31,280 --> 00:44:33,640 Speaker 1: process and became buddies and stay in touch. That's cool. 942 00:44:33,680 --> 00:44:35,680 Speaker 1: It's very cool. And there's so many different outlets, Like 943 00:44:35,680 --> 00:44:37,359 Speaker 1: you said, a lot of the same agent and an 944 00:44:37,360 --> 00:44:39,040 Speaker 1: agent will have a party and that you know they're 945 00:44:39,080 --> 00:44:41,160 Speaker 1: all together and that type of thing too. There's so 946 00:44:41,239 --> 00:44:44,200 Speaker 1: many ways to cross streams and not to mention these 947 00:44:44,200 --> 00:44:46,279 Speaker 1: guys changed teams all the time, and coach has changed 948 00:44:46,280 --> 00:44:48,640 Speaker 1: teams all the time. And New City and I don't 949 00:44:48,640 --> 00:44:50,000 Speaker 1: have any friend. Oh I remember I played to that 950 00:44:50,000 --> 00:44:51,279 Speaker 1: guy in high school. You know a right, you know, 951 00:44:51,440 --> 00:44:54,200 Speaker 1: so looking for you know, companionship in somethingay too, you 952 00:44:54,200 --> 00:44:57,160 Speaker 1: know how those relationships are formed and uh you know, 953 00:44:57,200 --> 00:44:59,960 Speaker 1: so the league doing that with the with the minority candidates, 954 00:45:00,040 --> 00:45:03,040 Speaker 1: to bring them together in one place and have them 955 00:45:03,080 --> 00:45:06,440 Speaker 1: meet the movers and shakers, the owners, uh you know 956 00:45:06,480 --> 00:45:08,560 Speaker 1: the ownership. You know, you learn more about a guy 957 00:45:08,600 --> 00:45:10,200 Speaker 1: and so I remember I met that guy at the 958 00:45:10,600 --> 00:45:12,920 Speaker 1: let's bring him in for an interview and uh, you know, 959 00:45:12,960 --> 00:45:14,480 Speaker 1: so where you met that, I met that you know 960 00:45:14,960 --> 00:45:17,360 Speaker 1: that that lady at the interview process. And so it 961 00:45:17,480 --> 00:45:22,040 Speaker 1: gives them an opportunity to uh make that kind of Hey, 962 00:45:22,080 --> 00:45:24,400 Speaker 1: the connection the front office people and the coaches and 963 00:45:24,480 --> 00:45:26,640 Speaker 1: everything they got to develop too, right, just like the players. 964 00:45:26,880 --> 00:45:28,800 Speaker 1: Absolutely coaches will tell you too, the best way to 965 00:45:28,840 --> 00:45:31,840 Speaker 1: network is get fired and get hired somewhere else. Because 966 00:45:31,840 --> 00:45:33,440 Speaker 1: all the guys that they knew that, they knew it 967 00:45:33,520 --> 00:45:35,279 Speaker 1: just like a pyramid scheme. You know, like all I 968 00:45:35,320 --> 00:45:37,839 Speaker 1: played with coaching the two years ago. We all got 969 00:45:37,840 --> 00:45:39,879 Speaker 1: fired and then we got hired here together. Kevin Bacon 970 00:45:39,920 --> 00:45:43,160 Speaker 1: game right, exactly, That's how it works, right and raise 971 00:45:43,200 --> 00:45:46,600 Speaker 1: the separation that spiderweb just grows like crazy. Kevin Bacon 972 00:45:46,800 --> 00:45:49,680 Speaker 1: was not brought up and the great actors. Oh he 973 00:45:50,880 --> 00:45:52,919 Speaker 1: saw the top three of all time we were talking about. 974 00:45:52,920 --> 00:45:57,440 Speaker 1: I mean, he's in that conversation. Is this the greatest 975 00:45:57,480 --> 00:46:00,160 Speaker 1: movie you ever made? That's what I was star Lord. No, no, now, 976 00:46:00,200 --> 00:46:01,719 Speaker 1: hold on, he was in the greatest movie ever made. 977 00:46:02,239 --> 00:46:04,879 Speaker 1: But he had a small role. That's animal House, Wild Things. 978 00:46:04,920 --> 00:46:06,920 Speaker 1: That's true. He was an animal House. It wasn't an 979 00:46:06,920 --> 00:46:09,239 Speaker 1: animal house, right. Not the most likable. He's been in 980 00:46:09,280 --> 00:46:13,160 Speaker 1: a lot of thing. He's been in the share of movies. 981 00:46:13,200 --> 00:46:15,920 Speaker 1: They did a little Guardians of the Galaxy Christmas special 982 00:46:16,600 --> 00:46:19,680 Speaker 1: if you have Disney plus Ritter. The release around Christmas, 983 00:46:19,760 --> 00:46:23,040 Speaker 1: and part of the gag was that they went to uh, 984 00:46:23,400 --> 00:46:26,440 Speaker 1: they came back to Earth and a couple of the 985 00:46:27,200 --> 00:46:31,719 Speaker 1: tracts and the Mantis kidnapped Kevin Bacon to take him 986 00:46:31,760 --> 00:46:36,399 Speaker 1: back to star Lord to as a Christmas pressent. That's 987 00:46:36,520 --> 00:46:40,839 Speaker 1: good like that. I didn't see that. It's actually pretty funny. Yeah, yeah, 988 00:46:41,160 --> 00:46:43,160 Speaker 1: so it's good. Maybe I just have to watch that period. 989 00:46:43,200 --> 00:46:45,600 Speaker 1: There you go, there you go. We're gonna take a break. 990 00:46:45,600 --> 00:46:47,960 Speaker 1: He is Matt Williamson. That is west Hueler. I am 991 00:46:48,000 --> 00:46:49,759 Speaker 1: did a lot lea you where we are live from 992 00:46:49,800 --> 00:46:53,400 Speaker 1: the NFL Scouting Combine. Uh, the three o'clock hour is 993 00:46:53,560 --> 00:46:55,960 Speaker 1: upon us, which means the workouts are going to start. 994 00:46:56,000 --> 00:46:58,640 Speaker 1: Here on the football field, we'll start seeing some some 995 00:46:58,640 --> 00:47:01,160 Speaker 1: more forty times come in. All that good stuff is 996 00:47:01,200 --> 00:47:04,399 Speaker 1: the defensive backs. Yeah, they should light it up. Can't 997 00:47:04,440 --> 00:47:06,160 Speaker 1: wait for this or this is gonna be fun. I'm 998 00:47:06,200 --> 00:47:09,319 Speaker 1: gonna burn that track up Think You're Right records, so 999 00:47:09,320 --> 00:47:11,600 Speaker 1: we'll start talking about that when we come back right 1000 00:47:11,640 --> 00:47:12,000 Speaker 1: after this