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Speaker 1: Brian Campbell.

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Speaker 2: This is Morning Combat.

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Speaker 3: No no crazy joker laugh slash pepe leapew laugh if

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Speaker 3: there's no BC here today unfortunately, but MK does in

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Speaker 3: fact carry on. Hello everyone, It is Friday, the seventeenth

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Speaker 3: of June twenty twenty two, and it is time for

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Speaker 3: Morning Combat. I am merely one half of your hosting due.

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Speaker 3: My name is Luke Thomas, joined by our friend in

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Speaker 3: the Great White North, Aaron Bronsat or Aaron. I don't

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Speaker 3: know if you know what we call you on the show.

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Speaker 3: Now have you heard what we call you?

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Speaker 4: For a while it was the Canadian Mma journalist as

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Speaker 4: an allusion to, you know, a mystery man. But yes,

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Speaker 4: no I don't. What's what's the nickname?

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Speaker 3: So rather Lebron, of course, who goes for Lebron James,

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Speaker 3: you would be like the obviously you're not French, but

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Speaker 3: because you're Canadian, you would be like and forgive my

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Speaker 3: French accent le Lebron something like that as my French.

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Speaker 2: Ok, you'd be like Lo Space Broun. How does that feel?

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Speaker 4: Well, your French is probably just as good as mine is,

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Speaker 4: so we can take that. And you know, in the

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Speaker 4: give you all a.

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Speaker 5: Yeah in his honor.

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Speaker 4: I don't know what the Connecticut jam banded enthusiast is

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Speaker 4: up to today, but if I get an invitation for MK,

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Speaker 4: it's any day, So I appreciate you reaching out. AB

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Speaker 4: so thank you for having me.

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Speaker 3: We're very happy to have you. BC is here in DC.

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Speaker 3: how that goes. But of course, if you don't know,

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Speaker 3: Aaron Bron said, or he is from TSN in Canada, and.

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Speaker 3: the same. Believe it's a nice review. If you would

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Speaker 3: be so inclined, Aaron, A real question for you to

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Speaker 3: start things off. If folks are trying to get more

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Speaker 5: What exactly is it that you do around here?

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Speaker 4: Well, I am the content editor for the UFC and

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Speaker 4: MMA content at TSN, and I do all kinds of

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Speaker 4: different essays for Sports Center, appearances on Sports Center. If

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Speaker 4: you're in Canada, you can watch all of that, and

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Speaker 4: you can go to TSN dots UFC for all of

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Speaker 4: my coverage. As you mentioned on social media at Aaron

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Speaker 4: bronzet or on Twitter is kind of where I amalgamate

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Speaker 3: Because sometimes I see that UFC and US, the UFC

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Speaker 3: it all right. Topic number one. This is where we

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Speaker 3: calling them. Well, actually, you know, I'll just do this

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Speaker 4: I think it hinges on the power of Josh Emmett.

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Speaker 3: Okay, top ten featherweight's stopped inside the distance. So Korean

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Speaker 3: It feels like beating Calvin Cater in the main event

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I would say so.

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Speaker 4: I mean it's a main event, it's a pretty big

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Speaker 4: Danie Gay's an awesome fighter, Shane Bergo's awesome fighter, but

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Speaker 4: it's just holloway. I think, does he have another loss

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Speaker 4: about Zebite, I'm sure a little bit later on, but

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Speaker 4: that fight looked like had there in a fourth and

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Speaker 4: Cater his stock I think actually roll was off of

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Speaker 4: that fight. This guy's just so tough, so durable. Nobody's

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Speaker 4: If Josh Emmittt can do that, and I mean if

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Speaker 3: Here's the problem though, as good as Josh Emmett has been,

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Speaker 3: Calvin Cator has a really really good job. Obviously he

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Speaker 3: Whenever that happens. He's actually never lost in a condition

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Speaker 5: I think so.

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Speaker 3: All right, last question this and we'll start talking about

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Speaker 3: Now we always ask this game, where who would UFC

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Speaker 5: Well, I think you're right on that.

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Speaker 3: Don't want to see it erin. It's just here's my

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Speaker 4: keep forgetting about. This guy's been on a tear. There

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00:18:29,560 --> 00:18:31,800
Speaker 4: are just a lot of options in both divisions. I

434
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Speaker 4: think that there's actually less options in the featherweight divisions

435
00:18:34,400 --> 00:18:37,000
Speaker 4: as a result of these guys beating each other all

436
00:18:37,040 --> 00:18:39,120
Speaker 4: the time, as a result of Holloway shutting the door

437
00:18:39,160 --> 00:18:41,800
Speaker 4: on Yeah Year and shutting the door on Cater the limit.

438
00:18:42,040 --> 00:18:43,639
Speaker 5: You know, there's limitations on those options.

439
00:18:43,680 --> 00:18:46,159
Speaker 4: And you have these guys like evloev and Bryce Mitchell

440
00:18:46,200 --> 00:18:48,640
Speaker 4: coming up. That kind of would be the best move

441
00:18:48,680 --> 00:18:51,960
Speaker 4: for Suhudo in my opinion. You put them up against Holloway.

442
00:18:52,000 --> 00:18:55,240
Speaker 4: If Holloway falls short against Volkanovski, Now would I think

443
00:18:55,280 --> 00:18:57,480
Speaker 4: be the best option for what you do with Henry

444
00:18:57,480 --> 00:18:59,600
Speaker 4: shutdo if he is serious about challenging for a third

445
00:18:59,600 --> 00:19:01,960
Speaker 4: division title, put him against one of these sharks at

446
00:19:01,960 --> 00:19:04,000
Speaker 4: featherweights and see if he can swim.

447
00:19:04,359 --> 00:19:05,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, I love that idea too.

448
00:19:05,440 --> 00:19:08,679
Speaker 3: Okay, last question on this of the four contenders, well,

449
00:19:08,680 --> 00:19:10,560
Speaker 3: we're not going to count Max here, so we're gonna

450
00:19:10,600 --> 00:19:14,920
Speaker 3: count Brian Ortega, Rodriguez, Calvin Cater, and Josh Emmon. Of course,

451
00:19:14,920 --> 00:19:16,000
Speaker 3: the last two are going to be in the main

452
00:19:16,040 --> 00:19:20,320
Speaker 3: event tomorrow. Of those four names, who has, as it

453
00:19:20,400 --> 00:19:24,920
Speaker 3: stands today, the greatest title winning potential.

454
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Speaker 4: Oh title winning potential. I thought you were gonna say,

455
00:19:27,200 --> 00:19:30,399
Speaker 4: a shot at the title. Wow, that's a great question.

456
00:19:31,160 --> 00:19:33,600
Speaker 4: I think that Volkanowski is a really bad matchup for

457
00:19:33,680 --> 00:19:36,719
Speaker 4: almost all of them. Cater might be the one because

458
00:19:36,760 --> 00:19:39,639
Speaker 4: he can put volume on Volkanowski, stand with him, you know,

459
00:19:39,640 --> 00:19:42,520
Speaker 4: can avoid getting taken down. I think that would probably

460
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Speaker 4: be the closest fight. But I would have to favor

461
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Speaker 4: Volkanowski against all of those guys. I think the guy

462
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Speaker 4: that has the best chance of beating Volkovski is actually

463
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Speaker 4: Max Holloway, and I think that's probably we're going to

464
00:19:51,480 --> 00:19:53,600
Speaker 4: see in July, is whether or not that the case.

465
00:19:53,640 --> 00:19:56,040
Speaker 4: I just think those two guys have put such a

466
00:19:56,119 --> 00:19:58,879
Speaker 4: chasm between them and the rest of the division that

467
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Speaker 4: that's what's making it really tough for there to be

468
00:20:01,359 --> 00:20:03,400
Speaker 4: new challengers coming up in this Fedairway division. I think

469
00:20:03,400 --> 00:20:06,040
Speaker 4: that's almost why you need to really expedite the paths

470
00:20:06,280 --> 00:20:08,960
Speaker 4: of guys like Evloef and Mitchell and put them against

471
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Speaker 4: these top guys and see if they can establish themselves

472
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Speaker 4: as a contender, because right now they're kind of in

473
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Speaker 4: the bottom half of that top ten. They really need

474
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Speaker 4: new contenders to arise in this division.

475
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Speaker 2: For sure.

476
00:20:19,640 --> 00:20:22,600
Speaker 3: I will tell you on a personal level, if Emmett

477
00:20:22,680 --> 00:20:25,760
Speaker 3: knocks out Cater, I would be inclined to like move

478
00:20:25,840 --> 00:20:28,040
Speaker 3: him up pretty quickly. But of course that's a major,

479
00:20:28,160 --> 00:20:30,480
Speaker 3: major asque. But the fight that I guess I have

480
00:20:30,560 --> 00:20:33,240
Speaker 3: interest in, and to I share your assessment, I would

481
00:20:33,240 --> 00:20:37,359
Speaker 3: favor Volkanovsky to beat all these guys. I would be

482
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Speaker 3: kind of curious to see how the stand up battle

483
00:20:39,560 --> 00:20:43,480
Speaker 3: goes between Rodriguez and Volkanowski. Now, Volkanovski is so good

484
00:20:43,600 --> 00:20:45,200
Speaker 3: he can, of course make it a ground affair. He's

485
00:20:45,200 --> 00:20:47,840
Speaker 3: got tremendous ground of pound and sub defense and everything else,

486
00:20:48,000 --> 00:20:50,440
Speaker 3: which we saw in the Ortega fight. However, the stuff

487
00:20:50,440 --> 00:20:52,200
Speaker 3: he was able to do to Max on the feet

488
00:20:52,280 --> 00:20:54,520
Speaker 3: was a bit of an eye opener for me. I

489
00:20:54,600 --> 00:20:56,520
Speaker 3: would like to see if it's at all possible if

490
00:20:56,520 --> 00:20:59,439
Speaker 3: they ever get down there. A Volkanovski Rodriguez fight to

491
00:20:59,480 --> 00:21:02,240
Speaker 3: me is pretty intriguing as well just a personal thing.

492
00:21:02,800 --> 00:21:05,520
Speaker 4: It's interesting stylistically. I just worry that Volkanovski would just

493
00:21:05,520 --> 00:21:07,760
Speaker 4: absolutely drown him. Like you look back at the Edgar fight,

494
00:21:07,800 --> 00:21:09,760
Speaker 4: and that was a long long time ago. You know,

495
00:21:09,920 --> 00:21:12,359
Speaker 4: I will concede that, but Edgar was just able to

496
00:21:12,400 --> 00:21:14,600
Speaker 4: completely drown yeah year Rodriguez on the ground, and we

497
00:21:14,640 --> 00:21:16,520
Speaker 4: just haven't seen yeah ear Rodriguez deal with much on

498
00:21:16,520 --> 00:21:18,840
Speaker 4: the ground as of late, Holloway wasn't going to take

499
00:21:18,880 --> 00:21:20,679
Speaker 4: him down. I just think Volkanovski might be able to

500
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Speaker 4: make his life absolutely miserable if he's able to take

501
00:21:23,000 --> 00:21:25,840
Speaker 4: it down. So it is an interesting silistic matchup of

502
00:21:25,880 --> 00:21:27,359
Speaker 4: course when you when you think of it as a

503
00:21:27,359 --> 00:21:29,639
Speaker 4: battle of ranges. If yeah here can stay out of

504
00:21:29,720 --> 00:21:31,680
Speaker 4: the range of Volkanovski and keep it at a distance,

505
00:21:31,680 --> 00:21:33,480
Speaker 4: I think that he can have some success there for sure.

506
00:21:34,960 --> 00:21:35,320
Speaker 2: All right.

507
00:21:35,400 --> 00:21:37,639
Speaker 3: Also on this card your comin event. This was supposed

508
00:21:37,640 --> 00:21:39,600
Speaker 3: to be a little while ago, and then Seroni got

509
00:21:39,640 --> 00:21:41,800
Speaker 3: sick and then they pushed it here. Donald Cerroni is

510
00:21:41,800 --> 00:21:45,959
Speaker 3: back in action against joels On Funnily enough, donal Cerroni

511
00:21:46,080 --> 00:21:48,160
Speaker 3: is on quite the losing streak or overall the body

512
00:21:48,200 --> 00:21:49,760
Speaker 3: of work in the last was that five six fights

513
00:21:49,760 --> 00:21:51,520
Speaker 3: has not gone his way. There was the one no

514
00:21:51,640 --> 00:21:54,720
Speaker 3: contest previously, although that was you know, obviously for a

515
00:21:54,760 --> 00:21:55,359
Speaker 3: different issue.

516
00:21:55,359 --> 00:21:56,520
Speaker 2: But neither here nor there.

517
00:21:56,560 --> 00:21:59,320
Speaker 3: He's not one, I think since twenty nineteen, since beating

518
00:21:59,359 --> 00:22:01,280
Speaker 3: Alayakqua a Kinto Quinta.

519
00:22:02,119 --> 00:22:03,080
Speaker 2: Okay, he is.

520
00:22:03,040 --> 00:22:05,960
Speaker 3: Still favored to win Aaron bronstet Er. He's got a

521
00:22:06,000 --> 00:22:08,879
Speaker 3: minus one sixty five till his oonnes plus one point forty.

522
00:22:09,200 --> 00:22:11,679
Speaker 3: It's not like I don't believe that Donald Serrony in

523
00:22:11,720 --> 00:22:14,840
Speaker 3: theory couldn't beat Joe Lazan. I just don't really know

524
00:22:14,920 --> 00:22:17,879
Speaker 3: what's left of Donald Serny after and I've said this

525
00:22:17,920 --> 00:22:20,359
Speaker 3: before many times. You can look at all of the

526
00:22:20,400 --> 00:22:23,520
Speaker 3: injuries and the knockouts and then the tough fights he's had,

527
00:22:23,800 --> 00:22:26,880
Speaker 3: and that's one thing. But the guy lives a very

528
00:22:27,000 --> 00:22:30,320
Speaker 3: let's call it active lifestyle and has had an insane

529
00:22:30,560 --> 00:22:35,000
Speaker 3: amount of injuries outside of the octagon. Really, I am

530
00:22:35,320 --> 00:22:37,359
Speaker 3: I am a little bit surprised. I will tell you

531
00:22:37,359 --> 00:22:39,679
Speaker 3: that the odds are close. Aaron, I gotta say, I'm

532
00:22:39,720 --> 00:22:41,640
Speaker 3: a little bit surprised that he's favored here.

533
00:22:43,119 --> 00:22:45,720
Speaker 4: I'm kind of with you on that. You know, he

534
00:22:45,800 --> 00:22:47,800
Speaker 4: made the weight this morning. I was wondering how he

535
00:22:47,840 --> 00:22:50,080
Speaker 4: would do on the scales this morning, because we know

536
00:22:50,160 --> 00:22:52,000
Speaker 4: that it's a bit of a grind for Seroni to

537
00:22:52,000 --> 00:22:53,040
Speaker 4: make weight in the first place.

538
00:22:53,080 --> 00:22:54,480
Speaker 5: He was making weight.

539
00:22:54,560 --> 00:22:56,439
Speaker 4: I guess he had made weight for the event in Phoenix,

540
00:22:56,480 --> 00:22:59,440
Speaker 4: what six weeks ago, right, So he was able to

541
00:22:59,480 --> 00:23:02,199
Speaker 4: do that, but fell Ill was unable to fight, And

542
00:23:02,200 --> 00:23:03,800
Speaker 4: then since then he's gone to Thailand and has been

543
00:23:03,840 --> 00:23:05,720
Speaker 4: filming a movie and apparently he's been training with Sasha

544
00:23:05,760 --> 00:23:09,639
Speaker 4: Polatnikov out there, right, So I just if there's anybody

545
00:23:09,720 --> 00:23:11,879
Speaker 4: who can take his eyes off of the game and

546
00:23:11,920 --> 00:23:14,359
Speaker 4: still succeed Sarroni's one of those guys. It just depends

547
00:23:14,400 --> 00:23:16,760
Speaker 4: on which Throny shows up. Like he said, it's either

548
00:23:16,760 --> 00:23:19,240
Speaker 4: gonna be Cowboy, it's gonna be Donald and that that's

549
00:23:19,280 --> 00:23:21,640
Speaker 4: the risk in taking Serroni as a favorite at this juncture.

550
00:23:22,040 --> 00:23:24,800
Speaker 4: And Joe Lozon, he also has had a pretty rough

551
00:23:24,840 --> 00:23:27,000
Speaker 4: streak if you look at his recent fights. He does

552
00:23:27,080 --> 00:23:29,520
Speaker 4: have that great win over jsp who we've seen Jonathan

553
00:23:29,560 --> 00:23:31,720
Speaker 4: Pierce as has really started to look good in his career.

554
00:23:31,760 --> 00:23:33,840
Speaker 4: But yeah, I think this should be more of an

555
00:23:33,880 --> 00:23:35,920
Speaker 4: even money coin flip type fight because you just don't

556
00:23:35,920 --> 00:23:37,280
Speaker 4: know what you're gonna get for either of these guys

557
00:23:37,280 --> 00:23:38,000
Speaker 4: at this point in time.

558
00:23:39,000 --> 00:23:40,800
Speaker 3: The thing is, if you asked me for like, who

559
00:23:40,880 --> 00:23:44,000
Speaker 3: was better at their very best, I think Serroni reached

560
00:23:44,000 --> 00:23:47,800
Speaker 3: a little bit higher, right. Sony obviously great kickboxer, He's

561
00:23:47,840 --> 00:23:50,920
Speaker 3: always had a very good guard, very underrated ground game.

562
00:23:51,200 --> 00:23:54,560
Speaker 2: He's been a submission threat. He's obviously scored submissions. He

563
00:23:54,600 --> 00:23:55,040
Speaker 2: could he.

564
00:23:54,960 --> 00:23:56,960
Speaker 3: Could punch your lights out. He had a great you

565
00:23:57,000 --> 00:23:58,879
Speaker 3: know with Thaie game, he was good in the clinch.

566
00:23:59,119 --> 00:24:01,760
Speaker 3: I think he's obviously fought I mean everyone who they

567
00:24:01,760 --> 00:24:03,920
Speaker 3: could possibly put in front of him. So the upside

568
00:24:03,920 --> 00:24:05,879
Speaker 3: in terms of what they were ultimately able to accomplish

569
00:24:06,119 --> 00:24:08,920
Speaker 3: at their very best, I would favor Serroni. And also

570
00:24:09,200 --> 00:24:11,399
Speaker 3: like the thing that Joe does the very best himself,

571
00:24:11,400 --> 00:24:14,480
Speaker 3: which is the groundwork. That's something that Serni has shown

572
00:24:14,480 --> 00:24:17,360
Speaker 3: to be surprisingly resilient in, and again I think has

573
00:24:17,400 --> 00:24:19,879
Speaker 3: some abilities there. It's just that with the damage and

574
00:24:20,000 --> 00:24:22,280
Speaker 3: everything else, you just don't know when the bottom is

575
00:24:22,280 --> 00:24:24,000
Speaker 3: going to drop out on guys like this plus, so

576
00:24:24,240 --> 00:24:26,879
Speaker 3: I'm not saying that Joe Lozan is a spring chicken.

577
00:24:27,160 --> 00:24:30,480
Speaker 3: I watched his UFC debut at a Hooters in Richmond,

578
00:24:30,560 --> 00:24:33,040
Speaker 3: Virginia back in the day when he knocked out Jens Pulver,

579
00:24:33,400 --> 00:24:36,040
Speaker 3: But dont Soroni's almost forty. He's almost forty years old,

580
00:24:36,080 --> 00:24:39,680
Speaker 3: thirty nine years old. Jesus, Like, what do you think

581
00:24:39,760 --> 00:24:40,320
Speaker 3: happens here?

582
00:24:40,359 --> 00:24:42,280
Speaker 2: Win or lose? Obviously with the loss, I think the

583
00:24:42,320 --> 00:24:45,120
Speaker 2: UFC probably goes uh, it might be time.

584
00:24:45,800 --> 00:24:49,000
Speaker 3: Do you think do they want more of him at

585
00:24:49,040 --> 00:24:50,960
Speaker 3: forty plus in the UFC.

586
00:24:52,600 --> 00:24:54,000
Speaker 4: I think he can be both of their last fights,

587
00:24:54,000 --> 00:24:55,800
Speaker 4: but I think if Sereni looks good, he'll probably continue.

588
00:24:55,800 --> 00:24:57,879
Speaker 4: I just think he loves doing this so much, whereas

589
00:24:57,880 --> 00:24:59,479
Speaker 4: Losan's kind of had one foot in, one foot out

590
00:24:59,480 --> 00:25:02,560
Speaker 4: for the last cup years. I'm very interested to see

591
00:25:02,560 --> 00:25:04,200
Speaker 4: how this one plays out, because, like you said, the

592
00:25:04,200 --> 00:25:06,719
Speaker 4: bottom could really drop off at any given time. These

593
00:25:06,760 --> 00:25:08,480
Speaker 4: guys both have a ton of miles on them. In fact,

594
00:25:08,560 --> 00:25:11,400
Speaker 4: this matchup has the two most I guess, the most

595
00:25:11,400 --> 00:25:14,520
Speaker 4: combined UFC experience in terms of number of fights that

596
00:25:14,600 --> 00:25:17,479
Speaker 4: any two fighters have had in UFC history, and if

597
00:25:17,480 --> 00:25:19,040
Speaker 4: you look at the amount of fight night bonuses these

598
00:25:19,040 --> 00:25:20,720
Speaker 4: guys have had, which a lot of them are from

599
00:25:20,720 --> 00:25:25,239
Speaker 4: being in wars. You look at that, and I think

600
00:25:25,280 --> 00:25:27,000
Speaker 4: I did the stat on this the two of them

601
00:25:27,000 --> 00:25:30,560
Speaker 4: combined to have more fight bonuses than the rest of

602
00:25:30,600 --> 00:25:33,479
Speaker 4: this card you know has in totality combined, and they

603
00:25:33,480 --> 00:25:35,560
Speaker 4: have one hundred less fights combined than the rest of

604
00:25:35,600 --> 00:25:38,280
Speaker 4: this card. So it's just these guys have put on

605
00:25:38,320 --> 00:25:41,280
Speaker 4: a show for so many years. I don't really know

606
00:25:41,320 --> 00:25:42,960
Speaker 4: what to expect from this fight, which is kind of

607
00:25:42,960 --> 00:25:45,000
Speaker 4: what makes it fun. Honestly, as a comin event, I'm

608
00:25:45,040 --> 00:25:47,560
Speaker 4: looking forward to seeing what happens because there is kind

609
00:25:47,560 --> 00:25:49,520
Speaker 4: of an air of mystery about how this one goes.

610
00:25:50,680 --> 00:25:52,680
Speaker 3: Some of the stats to pay attention to here very

611
00:25:52,680 --> 00:25:55,080
Speaker 3: good chance this one does not go the distance average

612
00:25:55,080 --> 00:25:57,640
Speaker 3: five time for Seroni nine minutes and forty four seconds.

613
00:25:57,920 --> 00:26:00,399
Speaker 3: Joel is on seven minutes and fifty three second, So

614
00:26:00,440 --> 00:26:03,720
Speaker 3: these guys basically on average don't see the third round.

615
00:26:04,080 --> 00:26:06,200
Speaker 3: Something to keep in mind, a bit of a height

616
00:26:06,200 --> 00:26:08,200
Speaker 3: advantage six to one to five ten for jolas on

617
00:26:08,440 --> 00:26:10,800
Speaker 3: slight reach advantage for Seroni seventy three. I think the

618
00:26:10,880 --> 00:26:12,960
Speaker 3: jab if he puts it in your face, could be

619
00:26:13,040 --> 00:26:15,399
Speaker 3: valuable there. We'll have to see the big one that

620
00:26:15,440 --> 00:26:17,880
Speaker 3: stands out to me. Two of them, I'll say to you, Aaron,

621
00:26:17,920 --> 00:26:21,199
Speaker 3: that stand out to me. First one. The striking differential

622
00:26:21,240 --> 00:26:23,720
Speaker 3: for Jolasan is not great. He lands two point eight

623
00:26:24,119 --> 00:26:27,600
Speaker 3: four strikes per minute, which is below average for well,

624
00:26:27,600 --> 00:26:29,919
Speaker 3: certainly for a ranked fighter, although he's not ranked, but

625
00:26:30,000 --> 00:26:32,240
Speaker 3: strike's absorbed five point three to nine.

626
00:26:32,320 --> 00:26:33,119
Speaker 2: He has a.

627
00:26:33,200 --> 00:26:38,640
Speaker 3: Near three integer negative differential that is very very high.

628
00:26:39,080 --> 00:26:41,080
Speaker 3: The other one is and this will be interesting to

629
00:26:41,080 --> 00:26:42,880
Speaker 3: see how this this is to me. The interesting part

630
00:26:42,960 --> 00:26:45,959
Speaker 3: is to what extent can Jolasan pursue and have success

631
00:26:46,000 --> 00:26:48,440
Speaker 3: in the ground game, because, as we know, we've said before,

632
00:26:48,440 --> 00:26:51,920
Speaker 3: Serni is very good on the ground, but Jolasan averages

633
00:26:52,000 --> 00:26:54,960
Speaker 3: two point three to nine takedowns per fifteen minutes. It

634
00:26:55,000 --> 00:26:57,760
Speaker 3: seems to me, Aaron, he doesn't have to get the

635
00:26:57,800 --> 00:27:01,160
Speaker 3: takedown and hold it continuously. But I would submit true

636
00:27:01,200 --> 00:27:03,879
Speaker 3: or false if the takedown, or at least the threat

637
00:27:03,880 --> 00:27:06,840
Speaker 3: of the takedown isn't a real part of his offense

638
00:27:06,880 --> 00:27:09,359
Speaker 3: and it's not working, I have a hard time seeing

639
00:27:09,400 --> 00:27:11,280
Speaker 3: how he wins under those conditions.

640
00:27:12,200 --> 00:27:14,680
Speaker 4: Yeah, unless he's able to come out and blitz Sereni early.

641
00:27:14,720 --> 00:27:17,119
Speaker 4: Because we know that Soerroni is kind of a slow starter.

642
00:27:17,520 --> 00:27:19,640
Speaker 4: I think that's really one of the paths that jolo's

643
00:27:19,680 --> 00:27:21,359
Speaker 4: On can take. I was surprised when I saw the

644
00:27:21,400 --> 00:27:23,640
Speaker 4: odds on Losan by submission. I think it's around nine

645
00:27:23,680 --> 00:27:25,720
Speaker 4: to one, which really surprised me because I think that

646
00:27:25,760 --> 00:27:27,959
Speaker 4: if Loson's going to win this match, that's a pretty

647
00:27:28,760 --> 00:27:30,919
Speaker 4: likely outcome if you were to guess how does Jol's

648
00:27:30,960 --> 00:27:32,800
Speaker 4: On win this match. I know Serni's ground skills are

649
00:27:32,840 --> 00:27:36,720
Speaker 4: very underrated, but that's how Loson wins a large percentage

650
00:27:36,720 --> 00:27:39,719
Speaker 4: of his fights. If I'm not mistaken. He has you know,

651
00:27:39,720 --> 00:27:42,280
Speaker 4: some good KOs as well, but I think that's probably

652
00:27:42,320 --> 00:27:45,160
Speaker 4: how he wins is the first round. And if you're

653
00:27:45,200 --> 00:27:47,400
Speaker 4: looking to bet this fight, you wait and you see

654
00:27:47,400 --> 00:27:49,400
Speaker 4: how that first round goes. Because if Losan blows out

655
00:27:49,400 --> 00:27:51,400
Speaker 4: Soerroni in the first, I think you have a good

656
00:27:51,400 --> 00:27:54,560
Speaker 4: live betting opportunity with Soerroney heading into the second. Where

657
00:27:54,600 --> 00:27:56,760
Speaker 4: he starts to really pick up his game typically is

658
00:27:57,040 --> 00:27:59,280
Speaker 4: late in the in the fight. So it's kind of

659
00:27:59,320 --> 00:28:01,480
Speaker 4: an interesting matt in that regard. But I think you're right.

660
00:28:01,480 --> 00:28:03,600
Speaker 4: I think the takedown is going to have to be

661
00:28:03,840 --> 00:28:05,720
Speaker 4: an integral part of Lowson's game if he wants to

662
00:28:05,720 --> 00:28:06,040
Speaker 4: get a win.

663
00:28:06,080 --> 00:28:08,679
Speaker 3: Here, I gotta tell you. I find the people that

664
00:28:08,720 --> 00:28:12,520
Speaker 3: bet between rounds. I think that's like ultimate Djen. Like

665
00:28:13,400 --> 00:28:14,840
Speaker 3: to me, it's like you want to put in a

666
00:28:14,880 --> 00:28:18,040
Speaker 3: bet before the fight takes place. I mean, there couldn't

667
00:28:18,040 --> 00:28:21,040
Speaker 3: be anything more apple pie than that. But you know

668
00:28:21,080 --> 00:28:23,199
Speaker 3: you're waiting between rounds on live odds, and I know

669
00:28:23,240 --> 00:28:24,680
Speaker 3: they do it. I know they do it, but I'm

670
00:28:24,880 --> 00:28:26,960
Speaker 3: to me, i'd always is like, wow, man, you really

671
00:28:27,720 --> 00:28:29,040
Speaker 3: you really got some problems at home?

672
00:28:29,119 --> 00:28:30,520
Speaker 2: Huh. That's just my personal thing.

673
00:28:32,200 --> 00:28:34,520
Speaker 5: Hey, if you find good value, good value is good value.

674
00:28:34,520 --> 00:28:36,800
Speaker 4: If you're at the grocery store and they've got blueberry

675
00:28:36,800 --> 00:28:38,920
Speaker 4: mini weeks for ninety nine cents as opposed to standard

676
00:28:38,960 --> 00:28:41,600
Speaker 4: many weeks for two ninety nine, even though the blueberry

677
00:28:41,600 --> 00:28:44,360
Speaker 4: ones might not be up to snuff, you still save

678
00:28:44,400 --> 00:28:46,120
Speaker 4: the two dollars, right, So if you can find that

679
00:28:46,200 --> 00:28:49,000
Speaker 4: value in the live betting market, I mean, hey, you

680
00:28:49,040 --> 00:28:49,720
Speaker 4: got to grab it.

681
00:28:50,320 --> 00:28:52,840
Speaker 2: I guess. So value is value. It's a fair point.

682
00:28:52,840 --> 00:28:55,360
Speaker 3: The rest of the just as a reminder, the last

683
00:28:55,400 --> 00:28:58,000
Speaker 3: five fights for each SERENI had a loss to Gaysie,

684
00:28:58,040 --> 00:28:59,000
Speaker 3: then McGregor, than Pettis.

685
00:28:59,000 --> 00:29:00,680
Speaker 2: I mean, what are you gonna expect those tough fights?

686
00:29:01,000 --> 00:29:03,000
Speaker 3: Had the no contest against Nego Price and then the

687
00:29:03,040 --> 00:29:04,880
Speaker 3: loss to Alex Moren. That was the one where you

688
00:29:04,920 --> 00:29:06,920
Speaker 3: could kind of feel like the worm was turning because

689
00:29:07,120 --> 00:29:09,400
Speaker 3: you know, you lose to those other three guys. Well, okay,

690
00:29:09,440 --> 00:29:11,760
Speaker 3: those are you know, pretty tough fights. The Pettis one

691
00:29:12,080 --> 00:29:13,240
Speaker 3: was a little bit weird because he was on the

692
00:29:13,320 --> 00:29:15,640
Speaker 3: end of his run there too, but certainly you know,

693
00:29:15,640 --> 00:29:19,640
Speaker 3: and obviously Tony Ferguson before that. Those are you understandable losses.

694
00:29:19,960 --> 00:29:22,680
Speaker 3: Last five for Joel was on of course he's had

695
00:29:22,680 --> 00:29:25,200
Speaker 3: a lot of time off, was Marching, held Stevie, Raikleig

696
00:29:25,280 --> 00:29:27,680
Speaker 3: We Grutzmacher and then in your in the last fight

697
00:29:27,680 --> 00:29:30,120
Speaker 3: he has the win over Pierce, as you indicated, all right,

698
00:29:30,200 --> 00:29:32,720
Speaker 3: also on this card and this is the one actually

699
00:29:32,760 --> 00:29:34,160
Speaker 3: know what I'll come back to it. Do you have

700
00:29:34,160 --> 00:29:37,160
Speaker 3: any strong thoughts on Tim Means versus Kevin Holland. Kevin

701
00:29:37,200 --> 00:29:40,120
Speaker 3: Holland trying to get right did in his last contest

702
00:29:40,120 --> 00:29:42,280
Speaker 3: against Cowboy OLIVERA. Took him a little bit of time

703
00:29:42,320 --> 00:29:44,240
Speaker 3: to kind of get right a little bit. I think

704
00:29:44,240 --> 00:29:45,800
Speaker 3: in the second round he was able to do. So

705
00:29:46,440 --> 00:29:48,360
Speaker 3: give me your sense of Tim Means, because here's why

706
00:29:48,360 --> 00:29:50,160
Speaker 3: I feel about Tim Means. Tim Means is one of

707
00:29:50,160 --> 00:29:52,920
Speaker 3: these guys where if you've been watching him for a while, dude,

708
00:29:53,240 --> 00:29:55,600
Speaker 3: you can beat him. The very very best guys beat him.

709
00:29:55,600 --> 00:29:57,520
Speaker 3: But dude, if you're not one of the very best guys,

710
00:29:57,520 --> 00:30:00,640
Speaker 3: he's gonna fuck you up. He has phenomenal Muay Thai,

711
00:30:00,880 --> 00:30:03,320
Speaker 3: vicious elbows. One of those guys at Albuquerque that always

712
00:30:03,360 --> 00:30:06,080
Speaker 3: kind of stayed at Fit NHB where Carlos kndit started

713
00:30:06,120 --> 00:30:08,080
Speaker 3: and kind of moved over to Jackson's. But Fit NHB

714
00:30:08,160 --> 00:30:09,840
Speaker 3: has been, you know, one of the premier teams from

715
00:30:09,840 --> 00:30:11,520
Speaker 3: early on in MMA's history.

716
00:30:12,960 --> 00:30:15,040
Speaker 2: Size this one up for me. Holland versus Means. How

717
00:30:15,040 --> 00:30:15,560
Speaker 2: do you see it?

718
00:30:17,120 --> 00:30:19,840
Speaker 4: Yeah, I just think that Means is a very tough out,

719
00:30:19,880 --> 00:30:22,240
Speaker 4: like you said, for anybody. But Holland at one seventy

720
00:30:22,520 --> 00:30:24,480
Speaker 4: does look like a different animal. He looked great against

721
00:30:24,520 --> 00:30:27,120
Speaker 4: Cowboy Olavera in that last fight. This is going to

722
00:30:27,160 --> 00:30:29,240
Speaker 4: be an interesting one because you know, I was talking

723
00:30:29,240 --> 00:30:30,719
Speaker 4: to Kevin Holland, and I said to him, I think

724
00:30:30,760 --> 00:30:32,240
Speaker 4: you're gonna have a size advantage here. He used to

725
00:30:32,240 --> 00:30:33,760
Speaker 4: fight at one eighty five, he used to fight at

726
00:30:33,760 --> 00:30:35,560
Speaker 4: fifty five. And he said, no, no. I saw Tim Means

727
00:30:35,800 --> 00:30:37,360
Speaker 4: in the hotel and he goes, see, I think he's

728
00:30:37,400 --> 00:30:39,120
Speaker 4: taller than I am. And I don't know how that

729
00:30:39,160 --> 00:30:40,800
Speaker 4: guy ever made one hundred and fifty five pounds. So

730
00:30:41,200 --> 00:30:45,520
Speaker 4: maybe I'm overestimating the fact that Holland's coming down and Means,

731
00:30:45,520 --> 00:30:47,400
Speaker 4: I guess has been up at one seventy for several

732
00:30:47,520 --> 00:30:49,640
Speaker 4: years now. But this is going to be a very

733
00:30:49,640 --> 00:30:52,720
Speaker 4: interesting fight because Tim Means is not somebody who backed

734
00:30:52,720 --> 00:30:54,520
Speaker 4: down from any sort of fight, and that's the kind

735
00:30:54,560 --> 00:30:57,320
Speaker 4: of guy. The ones that put pressure on Kevin Holland

736
00:30:57,360 --> 00:30:59,840
Speaker 4: are the ones that tend to do well. So this

737
00:30:59,880 --> 00:31:02,160
Speaker 4: is an interesting one. Holland a massive favorite in this

738
00:31:02,200 --> 00:31:04,360
Speaker 4: fight as well. I think that you know, he's become

739
00:31:04,360 --> 00:31:07,680
Speaker 4: really a household name among true UFC fans that they

740
00:31:07,800 --> 00:31:08,920
Speaker 4: watch weekend and week out.

741
00:31:09,040 --> 00:31:10,200
Speaker 5: You'll recognize his name, Kevin.

742
00:31:10,120 --> 00:31:12,320
Speaker 4: Holland for those that have been watching for a long time, though,

743
00:31:12,760 --> 00:31:14,800
Speaker 4: Tim Means, we know what we're getting with this guy.

744
00:31:15,000 --> 00:31:16,000
Speaker 5: He's a nasty fighter.

745
00:31:16,080 --> 00:31:17,600
Speaker 4: He's in your face, he's good on the ground, he's

746
00:31:17,600 --> 00:31:19,800
Speaker 4: great on the feet, and he doesn't go away. So

747
00:31:19,920 --> 00:31:21,920
Speaker 4: this is going to be certainly an interesting fight. I

748
00:31:21,920 --> 00:31:23,800
Speaker 4: would be surprised if either guy gets a finish in

749
00:31:23,840 --> 00:31:25,360
Speaker 4: this one. I think this one goes to a decision.

750
00:31:25,360 --> 00:31:27,120
Speaker 4: I think it's going to be a very gritty fight.

751
00:31:28,280 --> 00:31:30,080
Speaker 2: Super gritty. In fact, it's kind of interesting.

752
00:31:30,160 --> 00:31:32,720
Speaker 3: They've got Holland listed at six ' three and Tim

753
00:31:32,760 --> 00:31:34,680
Speaker 3: Means at six to two, so who the hell knows

754
00:31:35,160 --> 00:31:37,840
Speaker 3: about that? And I bring that up to say, at

755
00:31:37,920 --> 00:31:41,000
Speaker 3: least on paper, for whatever that is worth, Kevin Holland

756
00:31:41,000 --> 00:31:43,680
Speaker 3: has a six inch reach advantage eighty one inch arms

757
00:31:43,680 --> 00:31:45,959
Speaker 3: at one hundred and seventy pounds to Tim Means as

758
00:31:45,960 --> 00:31:47,800
Speaker 3: seventy five. I've never thought is Tim Means as being

759
00:31:47,800 --> 00:31:49,320
Speaker 3: a t Rex kind of guy. In fact, he's always

760
00:31:49,320 --> 00:31:50,840
Speaker 3: had a pretty good job as a matter of fact.

761
00:31:51,160 --> 00:31:53,280
Speaker 3: But that's something to pay attention to as well. The

762
00:31:53,280 --> 00:31:55,600
Speaker 3: big number, and this is no surprise to anyone who's

763
00:31:55,600 --> 00:31:57,520
Speaker 3: been paying attention. And by the way, of course, Kevin

764
00:31:57,520 --> 00:31:59,320
Speaker 3: Holland should be noted is a black belt in jiu

765
00:31:59,360 --> 00:32:02,360
Speaker 3: jitsu under Travis Luter. Travis Luter has if he doesn't

766
00:32:02,360 --> 00:32:04,000
Speaker 3: have your respect, and I don't know what you know,

767
00:32:04,040 --> 00:32:04,360
Speaker 3: I don't know.

768
00:32:04,400 --> 00:32:06,960
Speaker 2: What you're waiting for. That guy is amazing at jiu jitsu.

769
00:32:07,040 --> 00:32:08,880
Speaker 2: But this is the big one and I do.

770
00:32:09,000 --> 00:32:10,840
Speaker 3: And it should be noted Tim Means is not like

771
00:32:11,040 --> 00:32:14,840
Speaker 3: the takedown guy, but he can do it when it's necessary.

772
00:32:14,880 --> 00:32:18,080
Speaker 3: He does have that capability take down defense for Kevin

773
00:32:18,120 --> 00:32:21,320
Speaker 3: Holland at a low forty nine percent, that is that

774
00:32:21,480 --> 00:32:24,680
Speaker 3: is exceedingly low. Tim Means is kind of known Aaron

775
00:32:24,720 --> 00:32:26,480
Speaker 3: as a guy who can make it a rough fight,

776
00:32:26,600 --> 00:32:28,800
Speaker 3: you know, in the clinch, the elbows, the knees, everything

777
00:32:28,800 --> 00:32:31,160
Speaker 3: else like that. But I gotta say, if you've got

778
00:32:31,240 --> 00:32:34,400
Speaker 3: an opponent with that kind of at least perceived weakness,

779
00:32:34,880 --> 00:32:37,640
Speaker 3: do you think Tim Means makes the takedown again, not

780
00:32:37,800 --> 00:32:40,000
Speaker 3: the entire part of his game, but a forward part

781
00:32:40,080 --> 00:32:41,000
Speaker 3: in this contest.

782
00:32:42,080 --> 00:32:42,240
Speaker 5: Yeah.

783
00:32:42,280 --> 00:32:44,520
Speaker 4: And it's not just that we've seen that when Kevin

784
00:32:44,520 --> 00:32:46,600
Speaker 4: Hollen is on his back, if you're strong enough to

785
00:32:46,640 --> 00:32:48,600
Speaker 4: keep him there, he will stay there. We saw that

786
00:32:48,600 --> 00:32:50,320
Speaker 4: in the Derek Bunsen fight, we saw that in the

787
00:32:50,400 --> 00:32:52,760
Speaker 4: Victori fight. I think that that is a strategy that

788
00:32:52,840 --> 00:32:55,720
Speaker 4: Means can implement. Now, how much stronger is Holland going

789
00:32:55,760 --> 00:32:57,760
Speaker 4: to be on bottom against the guy is not a

790
00:32:57,880 --> 00:33:00,480
Speaker 4: huge ad fiber like a Marvin Vttori or Brunson. Like

791
00:33:00,520 --> 00:33:03,480
Speaker 4: those guys are much bigger, I think in terms of

792
00:33:03,560 --> 00:33:07,120
Speaker 4: width than you know, Kevin Holland. They're much stronger guys,

793
00:33:07,160 --> 00:33:08,840
Speaker 4: I would say, than Kevin Holland on the ground. But

794
00:33:08,880 --> 00:33:10,440
Speaker 4: now that he's at one seventy, is that going to

795
00:33:10,480 --> 00:33:12,400
Speaker 4: be the great equalizer for him? Wherever he is on

796
00:33:12,400 --> 00:33:13,960
Speaker 4: his back, he's gonna be slipper. He's gonna be able

797
00:33:14,000 --> 00:33:16,040
Speaker 4: to maybe throw up some missions that he can actually

798
00:33:16,920 --> 00:33:20,160
Speaker 4: try to utilize to get up, or maybe a sneaky

799
00:33:20,200 --> 00:33:21,000
Speaker 4: triangle in there.

800
00:33:21,400 --> 00:33:21,840
Speaker 5: I don't know.

801
00:33:21,880 --> 00:33:23,520
Speaker 4: And I think that's what makes it so intriguing to

802
00:33:23,520 --> 00:33:25,200
Speaker 4: see Holland down at one hundred and seventy pounds, is

803
00:33:25,240 --> 00:33:27,080
Speaker 4: that there are a lot of question marks that we

804
00:33:27,160 --> 00:33:29,640
Speaker 4: have not yet seen him have to face at one

805
00:33:29,720 --> 00:33:31,959
Speaker 4: hundred and seventy pounds, like being on his back and

806
00:33:32,040 --> 00:33:34,160
Speaker 4: like having to get up. And when you mentioned to

807
00:33:34,280 --> 00:33:36,680
Speaker 4: Means and you mentioned those elbows, if he can take

808
00:33:36,760 --> 00:33:38,640
Speaker 4: Kevin Holland down and land some of those elbows on

809
00:33:38,640 --> 00:33:40,400
Speaker 4: the ground or even land some of those elbows on

810
00:33:40,400 --> 00:33:42,720
Speaker 4: the feet. Because you mentioned the reach advantage, but Kevin

811
00:33:42,720 --> 00:33:46,560
Speaker 4: Holland isn't necessarily somebody who's known for making good use

812
00:33:46,600 --> 00:33:49,360
Speaker 4: of that reach advantage. Necessarily he does it, I think,

813
00:33:49,360 --> 00:33:51,480
Speaker 4: with his front kicks and trying to keep an opponent

814
00:33:51,520 --> 00:33:54,280
Speaker 4: at distance. But he seems to have been integrating that

815
00:33:54,280 --> 00:33:56,480
Speaker 4: a little bit more into his game lately, but early

816
00:33:56,520 --> 00:33:58,480
Speaker 4: on it seemed like he was more than happy to

817
00:33:58,480 --> 00:34:00,440
Speaker 4: stay in the pocket with guys in exchange, getting the

818
00:34:00,480 --> 00:34:02,720
Speaker 4: clinch it with it with guys in exchange. That's why

819
00:34:02,760 --> 00:34:04,680
Speaker 4: I think this is an interesting fight because Tim means

820
00:34:05,240 --> 00:34:07,160
Speaker 4: this is not a guy to be underestimated. And if

821
00:34:07,240 --> 00:34:09,239
Speaker 4: for whatever reason Kevin Holland is getting in his own

822
00:34:09,280 --> 00:34:10,839
Speaker 4: head and thinking that at one hundred and seventy pounds,

823
00:34:10,840 --> 00:34:12,600
Speaker 4: he's gonna push a lot of these guys around, there's

824
00:34:12,600 --> 00:34:14,840
Speaker 4: a pretty deep roster of guys at one hundred and

825
00:34:14,880 --> 00:34:17,759
Speaker 4: seventy pounds that are unranked like a Tim means that

826
00:34:17,800 --> 00:34:18,680
Speaker 4: can make a lot of noise.

827
00:34:19,560 --> 00:34:21,759
Speaker 3: You know, it's interesting too. The first thing I'd say

828
00:34:21,800 --> 00:34:24,839
Speaker 3: is MMA fans have a weird relationship with reach, which

829
00:34:24,920 --> 00:34:28,160
Speaker 3: is to say, you know, John, Like, for example, what

830
00:34:28,200 --> 00:34:29,600
Speaker 3: was the one of the and this was not just reached,

831
00:34:29,640 --> 00:34:31,399
Speaker 3: this was height, but it was a combination of the two.

832
00:34:31,440 --> 00:34:33,480
Speaker 3: One of the major criticisms of Stephan Strue was like, oh,

833
00:34:33,480 --> 00:34:36,080
Speaker 3: he doesn't fight tall, he doesn't fight rangy and the

834
00:34:36,080 --> 00:34:36,880
Speaker 3: way that he needs to.

835
00:34:36,920 --> 00:34:38,240
Speaker 2: Then comes John Jones, who.

836
00:34:38,080 --> 00:34:41,520
Speaker 3: Granted has like very long arms even for his weight class,

837
00:34:41,920 --> 00:34:44,160
Speaker 3: fair enough, but he makes effective use of it. And

838
00:34:44,200 --> 00:34:45,520
Speaker 3: I know, I was like, what about the ipokes. You

839
00:34:45,520 --> 00:34:47,920
Speaker 3: could take away the eypokes. He still makes effective use

840
00:34:47,960 --> 00:34:49,960
Speaker 3: of his reach. It's all part of what he does.

841
00:34:50,000 --> 00:34:51,480
Speaker 3: And then they kind of like, oh, he's only good

842
00:34:51,480 --> 00:34:53,600
Speaker 3: because of it. It's like, well, well no, but he

843
00:34:54,000 --> 00:34:56,799
Speaker 3: is better because he uses it effectively. So like they

844
00:34:56,840 --> 00:34:58,960
Speaker 3: never can sort of decide whether or not reach is

845
00:34:58,960 --> 00:35:00,879
Speaker 3: a good thing, and if people use that's a good thing.

846
00:35:01,120 --> 00:35:02,640
Speaker 3: But here's the one I want to bring up, Aaron,

847
00:35:02,640 --> 00:35:04,000
Speaker 3: this is another part of the game that it's going

848
00:35:04,040 --> 00:35:06,080
Speaker 3: to be interesting to see, not just the takedowns, to

849
00:35:06,120 --> 00:35:09,879
Speaker 3: see what extent means, go goes for it. But pace right,

850
00:35:10,000 --> 00:35:12,840
Speaker 3: he lands over five strikes per minute. Now that's not

851
00:35:12,880 --> 00:35:15,600
Speaker 3: super high, but that's actually above average even for ranked fighters.

852
00:35:15,600 --> 00:35:18,480
Speaker 3: That's on the fairly high end. Kevin Holland just down

853
00:35:18,480 --> 00:35:20,360
Speaker 3: at three point eight four, which is somewhat below average.

854
00:35:20,400 --> 00:35:21,840
Speaker 3: And the reason I bring that up is, you know,

855
00:35:21,920 --> 00:35:24,319
Speaker 3: it's not like he puts on an insane pace. But

856
00:35:24,360 --> 00:35:26,680
Speaker 3: the thing is for Kevin Holland, who is trying to

857
00:35:26,719 --> 00:35:29,160
Speaker 3: fight in a more disciplined way, and you saw him

858
00:35:29,200 --> 00:35:30,839
Speaker 3: get a bit of a slow start against Cowboy Oliver.

859
00:35:30,960 --> 00:35:32,640
Speaker 3: He looked amazing in the end to your point, but

860
00:35:32,719 --> 00:35:34,880
Speaker 3: start off it's a little bit slow. He's trying to

861
00:35:34,920 --> 00:35:38,279
Speaker 3: have a more thoughtful way of approaching these fights. I

862
00:35:38,320 --> 00:35:41,160
Speaker 3: do wonder what might happen if Tim Means tries to

863
00:35:41,200 --> 00:35:43,040
Speaker 3: make him play speed chess with him, and to what

864
00:35:43,120 --> 00:35:47,319
Speaker 3: extent that lures him out of the more thoughtful discipline game, which,

865
00:35:47,440 --> 00:35:49,800
Speaker 3: by the way, I think Kevin Holland can do those things.

866
00:35:50,280 --> 00:35:53,600
Speaker 3: It will just be interesting to see what effect means

867
00:35:53,640 --> 00:35:57,240
Speaker 3: this pace on the feet has to the decision making

868
00:35:57,560 --> 00:35:58,520
Speaker 3: of Kevin Holland.

869
00:35:58,560 --> 00:36:02,839
Speaker 4: In response, yeah, I think that that's an interesting point

870
00:36:02,880 --> 00:36:06,080
Speaker 4: because I think that Kevin Holland is the wrong guy

871
00:36:06,120 --> 00:36:07,759
Speaker 4: to play with in that kind of game, because he's

872
00:36:07,800 --> 00:36:11,080
Speaker 4: got sneaky power, Like if you try to turn it

873
00:36:11,120 --> 00:36:13,799
Speaker 4: into you know, like you said, fast paced chest. I

874
00:36:13,800 --> 00:36:16,120
Speaker 4: think that Kevin Holland can sneak something in there that

875
00:36:16,120 --> 00:36:18,080
Speaker 4: can find it finish against a lot of different people.

876
00:36:18,120 --> 00:36:21,319
Speaker 4: His precision is really on point, and I think that

877
00:36:21,440 --> 00:36:23,719
Speaker 4: would be an interesting game plan for Tim Means and

878
00:36:23,719 --> 00:36:25,640
Speaker 4: it's something that has worked for Tim Means in the past,

879
00:36:25,920 --> 00:36:27,880
Speaker 4: for him to suffocate his opponents, to land a lot

880
00:36:27,920 --> 00:36:29,840
Speaker 4: of strikes, to get in their face, to land elbows.

881
00:36:30,000 --> 00:36:31,680
Speaker 4: That's been a very successful game plan for him. But

882
00:36:31,680 --> 00:36:33,680
Speaker 4: against the guy like Kevin Holland who hits guys at

883
00:36:33,680 --> 00:36:35,440
Speaker 4: the end of his punches and can really put them

884
00:36:35,440 --> 00:36:38,440
Speaker 4: out with something that when you look at his body type,

885
00:36:38,560 --> 00:36:40,279
Speaker 4: it doesn't seem to be something that, you know, a

886
00:36:40,280 --> 00:36:42,160
Speaker 4: skill that he would necessarily possess. It is a skill

887
00:36:42,200 --> 00:36:44,839
Speaker 4: that he possesses and we've seen him use it time

888
00:36:44,880 --> 00:36:47,319
Speaker 4: and time again. So that's going to be a really

889
00:36:47,320 --> 00:36:49,160
Speaker 4: interesting way for this fight to play out if Tim

890
00:36:49,160 --> 00:36:51,000
Speaker 4: Means does make it that kind of a fight, because

891
00:36:51,080 --> 00:36:53,120
Speaker 4: I think that he might be at a disadvantage there.

892
00:36:53,520 --> 00:36:55,640
Speaker 4: To me, I think it's going to be When you

893
00:36:55,680 --> 00:36:57,640
Speaker 4: mentioned pacing, I think it's going to be fast paced,

894
00:36:57,640 --> 00:36:58,879
Speaker 4: slow paced, fast paced, slow paced.

895
00:36:58,880 --> 00:37:00,000
Speaker 5: I think he's going to change it up.

896
00:37:00,200 --> 00:37:02,319
Speaker 4: I think that's what Tim Means could probably do to

897
00:37:02,320 --> 00:37:05,800
Speaker 4: give Kevin Holland some trouble is to really switch the paces,

898
00:37:06,360 --> 00:37:08,439
Speaker 4: you know, and change gears at his own will.

899
00:37:09,760 --> 00:37:11,960
Speaker 3: Playing with the rhythm, indeed, I think will be a

900
00:37:11,960 --> 00:37:14,399
Speaker 3: big part of this. I just wonder whenever you watch,

901
00:37:14,719 --> 00:37:16,960
Speaker 3: yeah whatever, you watch a fight and something like this

902
00:37:17,000 --> 00:37:21,160
Speaker 3: will be extremely pertinent who is playing into whose rhythm?

903
00:37:21,600 --> 00:37:21,799
Speaker 2: Right?

904
00:37:21,840 --> 00:37:23,920
Speaker 3: Who is following the other time? And some guys can

905
00:37:23,920 --> 00:37:26,480
Speaker 3: follow another person's rhythm and still beat them. Kevin Holland

906
00:37:26,520 --> 00:37:28,560
Speaker 3: might be one of those guys. But I wonder to

907
00:37:28,640 --> 00:37:30,920
Speaker 3: what extent This is the thing with Kevin Holland, Right,

908
00:37:31,120 --> 00:37:33,040
Speaker 3: Everyone talks about the takedown defense or this, or that

909
00:37:33,440 --> 00:37:37,160
Speaker 3: he's super talented, but there are times I feel like

910
00:37:37,320 --> 00:37:41,720
Speaker 3: he gets pulled into the terms being set by his opponent,

911
00:37:41,760 --> 00:37:44,040
Speaker 3: and he still overcomes it more often than not. If

912
00:37:44,080 --> 00:37:46,000
Speaker 3: you look at the totality of his record, I guess

913
00:37:46,000 --> 00:37:47,400
Speaker 3: what I would like to see from him here is,

914
00:37:47,520 --> 00:37:49,919
Speaker 3: how about you set the terms. You're the guy who's

915
00:37:49,920 --> 00:37:51,239
Speaker 3: supposed to be better than this other guy. He is,

916
00:37:51,280 --> 00:37:53,480
Speaker 3: in fact favored by the odds makers to win. You know,

917
00:37:53,840 --> 00:37:56,359
Speaker 3: for example, Habib had a very grappling based game, but dude,

918
00:37:56,400 --> 00:37:58,360
Speaker 3: you were always fighting on Habib's terms.

919
00:37:58,440 --> 00:37:58,800
Speaker 2: Always.

920
00:37:58,840 --> 00:38:01,799
Speaker 3: You were always fighting about what he was dictating to you.

921
00:38:01,800 --> 00:38:03,480
Speaker 3: You might fight it off, you might not, but you

922
00:38:03,520 --> 00:38:05,640
Speaker 3: were answering for it. I would like to see Holland

923
00:38:05,680 --> 00:38:07,200
Speaker 3: at least in the stand up department, or however he

924
00:38:07,280 --> 00:38:09,879
Speaker 3: decides to pursue this set the terms and let's see

925
00:38:09,880 --> 00:38:11,520
Speaker 3: what happens when the other guys have to play catch

926
00:38:11,560 --> 00:38:12,239
Speaker 3: up to you.

927
00:38:14,200 --> 00:38:16,480
Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, that's an interesting thought because he doesn't

928
00:38:16,520 --> 00:38:18,880
Speaker 4: typically do that. But he's also really good at making adjustments,

929
00:38:18,920 --> 00:38:20,680
Speaker 4: which is maybe why he chooses not to do that.

930
00:38:20,719 --> 00:38:23,680
Speaker 4: He's really good at figuring out his opponents, timing, reading them,

931
00:38:23,800 --> 00:38:26,040
Speaker 4: figuring out what they're going to do next, and being

932
00:38:26,040 --> 00:38:28,759
Speaker 4: able to capitalize on that. That's kind of been what

933
00:38:28,800 --> 00:38:31,160
Speaker 4: he's been great at, as being so opportunistic when he

934
00:38:31,200 --> 00:38:35,000
Speaker 4: finds those openings. So maybe that's why he doesn't dictate

935
00:38:35,040 --> 00:38:36,840
Speaker 4: that kind of pace or try to put something on

936
00:38:36,840 --> 00:38:38,680
Speaker 4: his opponent that they need to respond to, because he's

937
00:38:38,719 --> 00:38:40,680
Speaker 4: just so good at thinking on his feet.

938
00:38:40,920 --> 00:38:41,960
Speaker 5: That is interesting, though.

939
00:38:41,960 --> 00:38:45,320
Speaker 4: I think that at welterweight there's a better chance of

940
00:38:45,400 --> 00:38:47,239
Speaker 4: him doing that than there would be at middleweight because

941
00:38:47,280 --> 00:38:50,200
Speaker 4: at middleweight, or he's so fast compared to the other

942
00:38:50,239 --> 00:38:53,120
Speaker 4: middleweight that he's able to catch guys at welterweight. I'm

943
00:38:53,120 --> 00:38:54,839
Speaker 4: not sure how much that speed will translate. I think

944
00:38:54,840 --> 00:38:57,680
Speaker 4: it did against Cowboy Olivera, but Cowboy Olvera has a

945
00:38:57,719 --> 00:39:00,080
Speaker 4: lot of miles on him sadly no longer with U.

946
00:39:00,320 --> 00:39:02,000
Speaker 4: I'm surprised that they let him go because he always

947
00:39:02,040 --> 00:39:05,480
Speaker 4: puts on exciting fights. But yeah, this particular matchup, that's

948
00:39:05,480 --> 00:39:07,200
Speaker 4: what makes it so interesting is I think the rhythm

949
00:39:07,200 --> 00:39:09,680
Speaker 4: of this fight is what's going to decide who wins it.

950
00:39:10,800 --> 00:39:13,680
Speaker 3: All right, Listen, we could go up and down this card.

951
00:39:13,719 --> 00:39:15,480
Speaker 3: This is a phenomenal card. I've made this point a

952
00:39:15,480 --> 00:39:17,399
Speaker 3: few times. I'm sure you've noticed it as well, which

953
00:39:17,440 --> 00:39:19,479
Speaker 3: was not my point, but the fact I'm about to stay,

954
00:39:19,520 --> 00:39:22,399
Speaker 3: which is I'm so glad that the UFC is going

955
00:39:22,440 --> 00:39:24,839
Speaker 3: on the road again because even when they take fight

956
00:39:24,920 --> 00:39:27,080
Speaker 3: night cards on the road, they are so much more

957
00:39:27,160 --> 00:39:29,879
Speaker 3: stacked when they're at the Apex, and you know, they've

958
00:39:29,880 --> 00:39:31,640
Speaker 3: just got sort of a cadre of fans who are

959
00:39:31,640 --> 00:39:32,799
Speaker 3: gonna watch whatever they put on.

960
00:39:33,239 --> 00:39:34,000
Speaker 2: I'm not saying that.

961
00:39:34,400 --> 00:39:34,759
Speaker 5: I don't know.

962
00:39:34,760 --> 00:39:36,080
Speaker 3: They kind of phone it in a little bit, but

963
00:39:36,080 --> 00:39:37,560
Speaker 3: they're not phoning it in with this one. This is

964
00:39:37,600 --> 00:39:41,200
Speaker 3: a phenomenal card. So I'm going to ask you, Lebron,

965
00:39:41,680 --> 00:39:45,160
Speaker 3: give me a fight on this card you're really paying

966
00:39:45,200 --> 00:39:47,160
Speaker 3: attention to that we haven't discussed yet.

967
00:39:48,080 --> 00:39:50,480
Speaker 4: I like that Gregory Rodriguez Julian Marquez fight. I think

968
00:39:50,560 --> 00:39:52,800
Speaker 4: that one can really go in a variety of ways.

969
00:39:53,120 --> 00:39:55,320
Speaker 4: Marquez is a really tricky fighter and he sets a

970
00:39:55,360 --> 00:39:59,440
Speaker 4: lot of traps for his opponents. Gregory Rodriguez, RoboCop, is

971
00:39:59,760 --> 00:40:02,040
Speaker 4: such a a fun fighter to watch, but sometimes he

972
00:40:02,080 --> 00:40:04,080
Speaker 4: goes forward with reckless, abandoned and I think against the

973
00:40:04,080 --> 00:40:06,759
Speaker 4: guy as smart as Julian Marquez, that could end up

974
00:40:06,760 --> 00:40:08,879
Speaker 4: being an error for him. So I want to see

975
00:40:08,920 --> 00:40:11,040
Speaker 4: how Marquez responds to an opponent of this caliber. I

976
00:40:11,080 --> 00:40:12,520
Speaker 4: think it's going to say a lot about where he's

977
00:40:12,520 --> 00:40:14,239
Speaker 4: at in his career. Really, both guys are out in

978
00:40:14,239 --> 00:40:16,000
Speaker 4: their career. When we find out what the outcome of

979
00:40:16,000 --> 00:40:16,560
Speaker 4: this one is.

980
00:40:17,960 --> 00:40:20,080
Speaker 3: You could go a lot of different ways. Love that contest.

981
00:40:20,120 --> 00:40:22,520
Speaker 3: I think that will open the main card, if memory serves.

982
00:40:23,360 --> 00:40:26,080
Speaker 3: Friend of the Show Adrian Yanez taking on Tony Kelly

983
00:40:26,160 --> 00:40:27,600
Speaker 3: is a hell of about that will be I guess

984
00:40:27,640 --> 00:40:29,680
Speaker 3: the main event of the prelims.

985
00:40:30,560 --> 00:40:33,600
Speaker 4: Of the show luke who Tony Kelly is not a

986
00:40:33,600 --> 00:40:37,640
Speaker 4: friend of the show, not not as it currently stands, No, okay,

987
00:40:39,120 --> 00:40:40,759
Speaker 4: But the one, the two fights I would have my

988
00:40:40,760 --> 00:40:42,560
Speaker 4: eye on, and the one in particular that I wanted

989
00:40:42,600 --> 00:40:44,960
Speaker 4: to just mention briefly, Demir is taken.

990
00:40:47,719 --> 00:40:50,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, dude, I mean this one has I mean firecrackers

991
00:40:50,680 --> 00:40:55,880
Speaker 3: written all over it. This Ismagoolov, phenomenal jab great distance

992
00:40:55,960 --> 00:40:59,160
Speaker 3: management good. I mean, he can move on angles as

993
00:40:59,160 --> 00:41:01,600
Speaker 3: he jabs, and he's he's got brilliant setups and counters.

994
00:41:01,680 --> 00:41:04,040
Speaker 3: He did a number on Joel Alvarez when they fought

995
00:41:04,080 --> 00:41:06,440
Speaker 3: in the standing department with his boxing in particular, and

996
00:41:06,520 --> 00:41:09,560
Speaker 3: kutotey Lozzi out of MM All Stars training partner of

997
00:41:09,719 --> 00:41:12,680
Speaker 3: obviously hamsat CHIMAIV. He's Georgie and o Chamaiva's Cheschtion, but

998
00:41:12,719 --> 00:41:16,720
Speaker 3: they've sort of become a good friends there in Sweden,

999
00:41:16,920 --> 00:41:18,520
Speaker 3: and he's got a real muy ti game. But this

1000
00:41:18,560 --> 00:41:20,160
Speaker 3: is the part that really stands out to me. When

1001
00:41:20,239 --> 00:41:24,239
Speaker 3: kutot Lozzi gets taken down, he is super active underneath.

1002
00:41:24,320 --> 00:41:27,200
Speaker 3: I mean in his first fight was against Potato's Gamrack.

1003
00:41:27,239 --> 00:41:30,160
Speaker 3: Gamra was able to get him down fairly regularly, but

1004
00:41:30,200 --> 00:41:33,040
Speaker 3: couldn't do hardly shit with it, because the guy underneath

1005
00:41:33,080 --> 00:41:35,319
Speaker 3: is good about shrimping back to guard. He's good about

1006
00:41:35,320 --> 00:41:37,960
Speaker 3: inverting for leg attacks, he's good about pushing his opponents

1007
00:41:38,000 --> 00:41:41,279
Speaker 3: offense standing. I'm telling you, I think both of them,

1008
00:41:41,320 --> 00:41:43,239
Speaker 3: but certainly one of them is going to fight for

1009
00:41:43,239 --> 00:41:44,880
Speaker 3: a UFC title at one time or another.

1010
00:41:44,920 --> 00:41:45,880
Speaker 2: I firmly believe that.

1011
00:41:47,160 --> 00:41:49,239
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think both these guys are awesome fighters, and

1012
00:41:49,239 --> 00:41:51,920
Speaker 4: they're one of these situations where we haven't seen them

1013
00:41:51,920 --> 00:41:54,240
Speaker 4: in a while, so maybe people forget. I mean, Kutat

1014
00:41:54,239 --> 00:41:56,280
Speaker 4: Deladze's one win in the UFC is he has Materios

1015
00:41:56,320 --> 00:41:58,399
Speaker 4: Gambro who's headlining this Poe's card. That's how far long

1016
00:41:58,400 --> 00:42:00,040
Speaker 4: he's been away from the game. Is that gam I

1017
00:42:00,160 --> 00:42:02,480
Speaker 4: was able to get into that position since then, right,

1018
00:42:02,560 --> 00:42:05,720
Speaker 4: so is Magoulav To me, though, if you can't figure

1019
00:42:05,719 --> 00:42:07,440
Speaker 4: out his rhythm and you can't figure out how to

1020
00:42:07,440 --> 00:42:10,760
Speaker 4: get in close against him, he's going to pick you apart.

1021
00:42:11,120 --> 00:42:13,759
Speaker 4: He's a death by a thousand paper cuts guy. And

1022
00:42:13,880 --> 00:42:15,560
Speaker 4: I think that he's one of the best in terms

1023
00:42:15,560 --> 00:42:18,799
Speaker 4: of employing that strategy. And you see, I mean you

1024
00:42:18,840 --> 00:42:20,600
Speaker 4: look at Ganaty Glovkin and a lot of these other

1025
00:42:20,640 --> 00:42:23,560
Speaker 4: guys from Kazakhstan that are able to just have such

1026
00:42:23,719 --> 00:42:27,680
Speaker 4: crisp technical striking. He falls into that category. He's just

1027
00:42:27,800 --> 00:42:30,800
Speaker 4: so good at picking people apart and if you can't

1028
00:42:30,960 --> 00:42:33,759
Speaker 4: figure out a way to stop him from implementing his

1029
00:42:33,800 --> 00:42:35,680
Speaker 4: game plan. We talked about Kevin Holland the last time

1030
00:42:35,680 --> 00:42:38,280
Speaker 4: about how he's able to adjust. If you can't adjust

1031
00:42:38,480 --> 00:42:40,239
Speaker 4: to the mirror Ismagoulav, he is going to pick you

1032
00:42:40,320 --> 00:42:42,920
Speaker 4: apart and he's going to make it look easy. And

1033
00:42:42,960 --> 00:42:45,319
Speaker 4: that's a really, really tough ask for anybody in this

1034
00:42:45,400 --> 00:42:47,120
Speaker 4: division to be a guy like this. This is a

1035
00:42:47,120 --> 00:42:49,319
Speaker 4: tough matchup for both these guys coming back off of

1036
00:42:49,360 --> 00:42:52,680
Speaker 4: a layoff. I'm really intrigued to see how this one goes, because,

1037
00:42:52,719 --> 00:42:54,520
Speaker 4: like you said, I think both these guys are a

1038
00:42:54,600 --> 00:42:55,680
Speaker 4: lot better than advertised.

1039
00:42:55,719 --> 00:42:57,440
Speaker 5: Both probably will be in the rankings.

1040
00:42:57,440 --> 00:42:58,839
Speaker 4: I don't know about fighting for a title one day,

1041
00:42:58,880 --> 00:43:00,960
Speaker 4: but I think both will one day be in the rankings.

1042
00:43:01,239 --> 00:43:03,480
Speaker 5: In the shark tank that is the lightweight division.

1043
00:43:04,400 --> 00:43:07,239
Speaker 2: Oh, I have a high upside for both of them. Thissmgoolav.

1044
00:43:07,280 --> 00:43:09,640
Speaker 3: I mean, obviously both are very well rounded, but if

1045
00:43:09,960 --> 00:43:12,799
Speaker 3: you're unfamiliar with them out there watching, it would be

1046
00:43:13,440 --> 00:43:18,400
Speaker 3: sort of something like boxer versus kickboxer or Kuteti. Lazzi

1047
00:43:18,480 --> 00:43:22,000
Speaker 3: much better with muytai heavy heavy body kicks, which is

1048
00:43:22,000 --> 00:43:23,839
Speaker 3: why he has to have good takedown defense and good

1049
00:43:23,880 --> 00:43:25,880
Speaker 3: scrambling because you can catch those a lot. And then

1050
00:43:25,960 --> 00:43:30,200
Speaker 3: this mcgoolav just a fun nominal jab fainting, good distance management.

1051
00:43:30,400 --> 00:43:33,200
Speaker 3: He tears people up with that drop. He dropped Thiago

1052
00:43:33,239 --> 00:43:35,840
Speaker 3: Moisess with a jab for crying out loud, so his

1053
00:43:35,960 --> 00:43:38,400
Speaker 3: timing is good. This one has got just banger written

1054
00:43:38,440 --> 00:43:41,200
Speaker 3: all over it. All right, in the interest of time, though, Aaron,

1055
00:43:41,280 --> 00:43:43,560
Speaker 3: let's move on to topic number two. Now, there are

1056
00:43:43,560 --> 00:43:45,920
Speaker 3: two stories to this. We'll get to the more controversial

1057
00:43:45,920 --> 00:43:47,840
Speaker 3: one in just a second, but let's just start with

1058
00:43:47,920 --> 00:43:49,960
Speaker 3: the news itself. I think MMA Junkie was the first

1059
00:43:50,160 --> 00:43:52,880
Speaker 3: report it, but other outlets have as well. Al Jamain

1060
00:43:52,920 --> 00:43:56,879
Speaker 3: Sterling is expected to fight TJ. Dillashaw at UFC two

1061
00:43:57,040 --> 00:43:59,960
Speaker 3: seventy nine on September tenth. As it stands, we don't

1062
00:44:00,080 --> 00:44:02,319
Speaker 3: have a location for that event, and of course al

1063
00:44:02,360 --> 00:44:04,920
Speaker 3: jaminer Sterling is in fact the UFC Bantamway champions, so

1064
00:44:04,960 --> 00:44:07,880
Speaker 3: this would be I guess his actually technically his second

1065
00:44:07,920 --> 00:44:09,040
Speaker 3: title defense, the first.

1066
00:44:08,840 --> 00:44:10,480
Speaker 2: One being the rematch with Yon.

1067
00:44:10,840 --> 00:44:13,600
Speaker 3: Before we talk about Sterling's video he put out and

1068
00:44:13,600 --> 00:44:15,360
Speaker 3: some of the complaints he's had about pay put that

1069
00:44:15,400 --> 00:44:18,479
Speaker 3: to the side for just a second. The fight itself, Aaron,

1070
00:44:18,560 --> 00:44:20,000
Speaker 3: you know as well as I do. There was a

1071
00:44:20,000 --> 00:44:22,759
Speaker 3: bit of an online movement and I've seen the quote

1072
00:44:22,800 --> 00:44:24,960
Speaker 3: unnumber of years and years ago there was the hashtag

1073
00:44:25,040 --> 00:44:26,759
Speaker 3: rally for Mark Hunt to get a title shot and

1074
00:44:26,880 --> 00:44:29,280
Speaker 3: never went anywhere, and so it's just a lot of chatter.

1075
00:44:29,320 --> 00:44:32,160
Speaker 3: But there were some folks saying maybe Aldo should get

1076
00:44:32,200 --> 00:44:34,000
Speaker 3: the title shot against Sterling.

1077
00:44:34,040 --> 00:44:37,000
Speaker 2: They went with TJ. Dillashaw. Do you like Dila Shaw

1078
00:44:37,160 --> 00:44:38,200
Speaker 2: getting the title shot?

1079
00:44:39,239 --> 00:44:41,759
Speaker 4: I absolutely like Dila Shaw and getting the title shot

1080
00:44:41,760 --> 00:44:43,160
Speaker 4: because what more does he have to do. And I

1081
00:44:43,200 --> 00:44:46,759
Speaker 4: know that that decision over Sanhagen was controversial, but you're

1082
00:44:46,760 --> 00:44:48,319
Speaker 4: talking about him coming back from two and a half

1083
00:44:48,400 --> 00:44:51,000
Speaker 4: years off and beating a guy as good as Corey Sanhagen.

1084
00:44:51,120 --> 00:44:52,920
Speaker 4: That to me, as a guy who never lost the

1085
00:44:52,920 --> 00:44:54,879
Speaker 4: belt at one hundred and thirty five pounds that should

1086
00:44:55,120 --> 00:44:57,080
Speaker 4: almost automatically get in the title shot. And I know

1087
00:44:57,120 --> 00:44:59,040
Speaker 4: that Aldo has been the conversation, but although had his

1088
00:44:59,040 --> 00:45:01,839
Speaker 4: opportunity against Coach and fell short, and now it looks

1089
00:45:01,840 --> 00:45:03,879
Speaker 4: like he's gonna be facing Marob davalis Velia. I don't

1090
00:45:03,920 --> 00:45:05,719
Speaker 4: know who advised him to take that fight, but I

1091
00:45:05,760 --> 00:45:08,000
Speaker 4: think that's a really bad idea if he wants to

1092
00:45:08,120 --> 00:45:10,640
Speaker 4: maintain his standing in this division. Not that he has

1093
00:45:10,640 --> 00:45:13,400
Speaker 4: no chance against Mirob devalis Veeli, it's just that's a nightmare.

1094
00:45:13,120 --> 00:45:14,600
Speaker 5: Opponent for just about anybody right now.

1095
00:45:14,640 --> 00:45:16,719
Speaker 4: He's almost like the bodyguard for Aljaminster, like if you

1096
00:45:16,800 --> 00:45:19,440
Speaker 4: get he's like the Goro to the Shang Sung if

1097
00:45:19,480 --> 00:45:22,040
Speaker 4: you if you beat devalis velely, now you can probably

1098
00:45:22,040 --> 00:45:22,719
Speaker 4: get a title shot.

1099
00:45:22,760 --> 00:45:25,280
Speaker 5: But easier said than done. The guy's got four arms

1100
00:45:25,520 --> 00:45:27,200
Speaker 5: or was how many arms did Goro have? Four?

1101
00:45:27,400 --> 00:45:27,680
Speaker 2: Six?

1102
00:45:27,800 --> 00:45:29,759
Speaker 5: I don't remember, but he was too fucking many?

1103
00:45:29,840 --> 00:45:30,360
Speaker 2: Is the answer?

1104
00:45:30,680 --> 00:45:31,160
Speaker 5: Too many?

1105
00:45:31,600 --> 00:45:33,439
Speaker 4: But I mean that's what Davalos Veelly has in terms

1106
00:45:33,440 --> 00:45:34,959
Speaker 4: of his graping. He will get you to the ground

1107
00:45:35,000 --> 00:45:36,759
Speaker 4: really quickly and hold you there and make your life

1108
00:45:36,840 --> 00:45:39,880
Speaker 4: very miserable. But yeah, I just think that Delashaw absolutely

1109
00:45:39,880 --> 00:45:41,680
Speaker 4: should be getting the title shot. I know that I

1110
00:45:41,760 --> 00:45:44,520
Speaker 4: scored the fight for Sanhagen, but that doesn't matter at

1111
00:45:44,520 --> 00:45:46,000
Speaker 4: the end of the day. What matters is that he

1112
00:45:46,040 --> 00:45:47,719
Speaker 4: got the nod. He did it off of a long

1113
00:45:47,719 --> 00:45:49,360
Speaker 4: way off. He looked good in that fight. It's not like,

1114
00:45:49,800 --> 00:45:51,120
Speaker 4: even though I gave it to san Jag, I don't

1115
00:45:51,120 --> 00:45:54,120
Speaker 4: think that it was a lopsided win by any means.

1116
00:45:54,160 --> 00:45:55,600
Speaker 4: I just think that, you know, it was one of

1117
00:45:55,640 --> 00:45:57,520
Speaker 4: those things where one or two punches could have decided

1118
00:45:57,600 --> 00:45:59,200
Speaker 4: any of the you know, a lot of those rounds.

1119
00:45:59,719 --> 00:46:01,000
Speaker 5: But I think you give delah shot.

1120
00:46:01,000 --> 00:46:02,640
Speaker 4: You give him an opportunity to win back the title

1121
00:46:02,640 --> 00:46:04,400
Speaker 4: that he never lost, even though, of course, I mean

1122
00:46:04,440 --> 00:46:06,160
Speaker 4: he did lose it as a result of you saw

1123
00:46:06,200 --> 00:46:08,360
Speaker 4: it on all of that, but never lost it in

1124
00:46:08,400 --> 00:46:08,840
Speaker 4: the cage.

1125
00:46:09,320 --> 00:46:10,880
Speaker 5: I think it's the right decision.

1126
00:46:11,960 --> 00:46:13,160
Speaker 2: I have. I'm with you.

1127
00:46:13,239 --> 00:46:15,960
Speaker 3: I don't have even the slightest issue with this, and

1128
00:46:16,000 --> 00:46:18,040
Speaker 3: I'm you know, and I also am with you. I

1129
00:46:18,320 --> 00:46:20,560
Speaker 3: kind of thought san Hagen edged it out, but I

1130
00:46:20,640 --> 00:46:23,279
Speaker 3: recognized that it was close. You have to respect a

1131
00:46:23,320 --> 00:46:25,480
Speaker 3: scorecard for Dila Shaw and the fact that he was

1132
00:46:25,560 --> 00:46:28,799
Speaker 3: injured badly in that fight and still fought through it

1133
00:46:28,840 --> 00:46:31,000
Speaker 3: and was as competitive as he was, especially late in

1134
00:46:31,000 --> 00:46:34,040
Speaker 3: the contest, was extremely admirable. More to the point, the

1135
00:46:34,040 --> 00:46:35,359
Speaker 3: thing that always gets me is, I was like, we're

1136
00:46:35,360 --> 00:46:37,239
Speaker 3: gonna give a We're gonna give a title shot to

1137
00:46:37,280 --> 00:46:39,040
Speaker 3: a steroid sheet was like, well, first of all, didn't

1138
00:46:39,040 --> 00:46:42,560
Speaker 3: take steroids. It took EPO number one, number two. This

1139
00:46:42,719 --> 00:46:45,600
Speaker 3: is the point they gave him a two year suspension

1140
00:46:45,719 --> 00:46:50,640
Speaker 3: at age thirty three. He lost two years Where it's

1141
00:46:50,640 --> 00:46:52,440
Speaker 3: not like that's the middle of your prime, but to

1142
00:46:52,520 --> 00:46:55,479
Speaker 3: have to get lose that time, granted you can heal

1143
00:46:55,480 --> 00:46:58,360
Speaker 3: from stuff, but that's a lot of your really important

1144
00:46:58,400 --> 00:47:01,839
Speaker 3: competitive window that's just now has to kick things off.

1145
00:47:01,840 --> 00:47:04,680
Speaker 3: At thirty five, which is old for bansomweight. He served

1146
00:47:04,719 --> 00:47:06,960
Speaker 3: all of his time. He came back against the top contender,

1147
00:47:07,000 --> 00:47:10,160
Speaker 3: and yes it was close, but he won. Why is

1148
00:47:10,200 --> 00:47:13,279
Speaker 3: there this need out there among not just the fan base,

1149
00:47:13,320 --> 00:47:15,600
Speaker 3: some of the media and fighters as well, where it's like, well,

1150
00:47:15,920 --> 00:47:17,839
Speaker 3: you know, now that his time has served, he still

1151
00:47:17,840 --> 00:47:19,960
Speaker 3: has to be punished in some kind of way. No, no, no,

1152
00:47:20,400 --> 00:47:22,320
Speaker 3: the two years off was the punishment.

1153
00:47:22,600 --> 00:47:23,040
Speaker 2: That's it.

1154
00:47:23,200 --> 00:47:26,560
Speaker 3: Now he gets to start exactly as not like everybody else.

1155
00:47:26,560 --> 00:47:28,960
Speaker 3: But I would argue from a pretty advantageous position by

1156
00:47:29,040 --> 00:47:30,919
Speaker 3: virtue of the fact that you just raised as well.

1157
00:47:31,320 --> 00:47:33,200
Speaker 3: No one ever took the title from him. You saw

1158
00:47:33,280 --> 00:47:35,000
Speaker 3: it did, but none of the other Jabronis that fought

1159
00:47:35,040 --> 00:47:37,040
Speaker 3: him could do it. And so this is my point.

1160
00:47:37,040 --> 00:47:39,280
Speaker 3: If you serve your time, you fight a top contender,

1161
00:47:39,320 --> 00:47:42,560
Speaker 3: you get your hand raised. I would also say he's

1162
00:47:42,600 --> 00:47:47,439
Speaker 3: probably got the more celebrity factor of other bansamweight contenders, which,

1163
00:47:47,480 --> 00:47:50,919
Speaker 3: if you're sterling, raises the overall visibility of this fight.

1164
00:47:51,680 --> 00:47:54,880
Speaker 3: I really don't understand the complaints. I gotta be honest

1165
00:47:54,920 --> 00:47:58,040
Speaker 3: with you. They seem overwrought to me. And here's the

1166
00:47:58,040 --> 00:47:59,799
Speaker 3: other part, Aaron, you would agree with this. This is

1167
00:47:59,800 --> 00:48:01,479
Speaker 3: a very competitive fight.

1168
00:48:01,760 --> 00:48:06,080
Speaker 4: Super competitive, Oh, incredibly competitive fight, because how's Aljo gonna win?

1169
00:48:06,080 --> 00:48:07,960
Speaker 4: He's gonna out wrestle TJ. I think TJ has the

1170
00:48:07,960 --> 00:48:10,200
Speaker 4: advantage on the feet in terms of the boxing. So

1171
00:48:10,320 --> 00:48:12,160
Speaker 4: this I mean again, it's a thirty five year old

1172
00:48:12,200 --> 00:48:13,879
Speaker 4: Delashan on maybe thirty six at this point in time,

1173
00:48:13,920 --> 00:48:16,600
Speaker 4: so age is not on his side. But we know

1174
00:48:16,640 --> 00:48:18,640
Speaker 4: how fears of a competitor TJ. Delashaw is I think

1175
00:48:18,680 --> 00:48:20,920
Speaker 4: this is going to be a very very close matchup.

1176
00:48:21,120 --> 00:48:22,879
Speaker 4: And right now the bantamweight division, I mean, these guys

1177
00:48:22,880 --> 00:48:25,680
Speaker 4: are putting out more bangers than Stanconia. We've got the

1178
00:48:25,719 --> 00:48:29,960
Speaker 4: Cruz and Marlon Vera rumored match. You've got the San

1179
00:48:30,040 --> 00:48:32,359
Speaker 4: Haagen against song Ya Dong rumored match. I mean, these

1180
00:48:32,360 --> 00:48:34,760
Speaker 4: guys are These guys are churning out the hits right now.

1181
00:48:34,960 --> 00:48:38,160
Speaker 4: So kudos to Sean Shelby and crew for sitting down

1182
00:48:38,160 --> 00:48:40,799
Speaker 4: in that war room and putting together hit after hit

1183
00:48:40,840 --> 00:48:43,040
Speaker 4: after hitting the bantamweight division because it's hard to go

1184
00:48:43,080 --> 00:48:44,960
Speaker 4: wrong in that division as is. But I like a

1185
00:48:45,000 --> 00:48:46,799
Speaker 4: lot of these matchups that they're coming up with in

1186
00:48:46,840 --> 00:48:47,239
Speaker 4: the lab.

1187
00:48:48,600 --> 00:48:50,960
Speaker 3: I gotta tell you, did you see the Rolling Stone

1188
00:48:51,000 --> 00:48:53,200
Speaker 3: Top two hundred albums of all time? I'm not even

1189
00:48:53,239 --> 00:48:56,000
Speaker 3: trying to do Andreas Hale made this point. I swear

1190
00:48:56,000 --> 00:49:00,239
Speaker 3: to god, I'm not doing a diss on Cardi b Her.

1191
00:49:00,320 --> 00:49:01,120
Speaker 3: I think it was her.

1192
00:49:02,800 --> 00:49:04,960
Speaker 5: In the top ten and Missy Elliott had like the

1193
00:49:05,000 --> 00:49:05,880
Speaker 5: top six.

1194
00:49:05,880 --> 00:49:09,680
Speaker 3: Or they had it over a Quemini doggy style ill Maatic.

1195
00:49:09,800 --> 00:49:12,120
Speaker 3: I was like, who the fuck made this list?

1196
00:49:12,160 --> 00:49:15,120
Speaker 4: I really a Alliens isn't on the list. Like eighty

1197
00:49:15,160 --> 00:49:17,080
Speaker 4: Aliens is not in the top two hundred rap albums

1198
00:49:17,080 --> 00:49:17,480
Speaker 4: of all time?

1199
00:49:17,520 --> 00:49:18,440
Speaker 5: Like are you kidding me?

1200
00:49:19,120 --> 00:49:22,400
Speaker 4: Like I mean, I mean, I know you're from Georgia,

1201
00:49:23,040 --> 00:49:25,279
Speaker 4: not not only are the people of Georgia matd like

1202
00:49:25,719 --> 00:49:27,600
Speaker 4: Mara Deavalas really is angry about that, and he's from

1203
00:49:27,600 --> 00:49:30,200
Speaker 4: the Republic of Georgia. That's how, that's how egregious a

1204
00:49:30,239 --> 00:49:32,279
Speaker 4: mission that is from the top two hundred hip hop list.

1205
00:49:32,920 --> 00:49:34,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm like, I'm not even saying Invasion of Privacy

1206
00:49:34,920 --> 00:49:37,480
Speaker 3: is a bad album, but I am saying it's not illmatic.

1207
00:49:37,600 --> 00:49:38,440
Speaker 2: But okay, Like I.

1208
00:49:38,440 --> 00:49:40,240
Speaker 4: Can be behind me and pull out a better album

1209
00:49:40,280 --> 00:49:43,799
Speaker 4: than than Invasion of Privacy from my collection, like right now,

1210
00:49:44,239 --> 00:49:46,279
Speaker 4: like any random hip hop album I pull out is

1211
00:49:46,320 --> 00:49:47,160
Speaker 4: going to be better than that.

1212
00:49:48,160 --> 00:49:50,440
Speaker 3: Probably, So all right, let's get to the second part

1213
00:49:50,480 --> 00:49:52,440
Speaker 3: of this story. So al Jamin Sterling put out a

1214
00:49:52,480 --> 00:49:56,279
Speaker 3: video either yesterday or two days ago where he basically says, yes,

1215
00:49:56,360 --> 00:49:57,920
Speaker 3: that is the fight that's been offered, that's the fight

1216
00:49:57,960 --> 00:50:00,480
Speaker 3: that the UFC is looking for. But quote, there's no

1217
00:50:00,600 --> 00:50:03,399
Speaker 3: fight until there's ink on paper. And as of right now,

1218
00:50:03,719 --> 00:50:06,920
Speaker 3: my contract is exactly the same. There has been no

1219
00:50:07,239 --> 00:50:09,680
Speaker 3: escalator in this fight. I'd like to think I played

1220
00:50:09,920 --> 00:50:12,280
Speaker 3: my part, did the right things, and even allowed myself

1221
00:50:12,280 --> 00:50:14,400
Speaker 3: to be the bad guy in the last outing with

1222
00:50:14,480 --> 00:50:16,719
Speaker 3: Yon and helped play up the storyline. So one would

1223
00:50:16,760 --> 00:50:18,560
Speaker 3: think that being a company man would actually help you

1224
00:50:18,560 --> 00:50:19,400
Speaker 3: in the long run.

1225
00:50:19,560 --> 00:50:20,520
Speaker 2: So I did my job.

1226
00:50:20,560 --> 00:50:22,440
Speaker 3: As of right now, I'm training hoping that we come

1227
00:50:22,440 --> 00:50:24,120
Speaker 3: to some type of agreement to give some type of

1228
00:50:24,120 --> 00:50:26,719
Speaker 3: pay bump, which naturally happens in all the contracts. Last

1229
00:50:26,719 --> 00:50:28,560
Speaker 3: thing I'll say on this quote for me, I want

1230
00:50:28,600 --> 00:50:30,160
Speaker 3: to make sure that we get the deal right before

1231
00:50:30,160 --> 00:50:31,880
Speaker 3: we just jump into another fight, because at the end

1232
00:50:31,880 --> 00:50:34,160
Speaker 3: of the day, I climbed through the ranks, I worked

1233
00:50:34,160 --> 00:50:36,080
Speaker 3: my ass off, and I played my position in terms

1234
00:50:36,120 --> 00:50:37,960
Speaker 3: of helping to promote the fights, which a lot of

1235
00:50:37,960 --> 00:50:40,000
Speaker 3: these guys don't even do. I'm here to be a

1236
00:50:40,040 --> 00:50:42,319
Speaker 3: company man. At the same time, I want to look

1237
00:50:42,320 --> 00:50:44,600
Speaker 3: out for my best interests. There's a fine line where

1238
00:50:44,600 --> 00:50:47,919
Speaker 3: there's a balance where getting both of those done can happen. Now, Aron,

1239
00:50:47,960 --> 00:50:49,719
Speaker 3: here's my question to you. I guess there's a couple

1240
00:50:49,760 --> 00:50:52,480
Speaker 3: of these. One do you think that this is going

1241
00:50:52,560 --> 00:50:56,440
Speaker 3: to work for him? Like this holdout or whatever? You

1242
00:50:56,480 --> 00:50:58,959
Speaker 3: want to call this effort of his to get more

1243
00:50:59,120 --> 00:51:01,480
Speaker 3: now for folks you made out of stand Let's say

1244
00:51:01,520 --> 00:51:03,239
Speaker 3: you signed with the UFC, and I'm just gonna make

1245
00:51:03,280 --> 00:51:04,720
Speaker 3: up a number. Let's say they give you ten thousand

1246
00:51:04,760 --> 00:51:07,040
Speaker 3: dollars to show, ten thousand to win, and if you

1247
00:51:07,120 --> 00:51:09,680
Speaker 3: win in your next fight, the contract might say, should

1248
00:51:09,760 --> 00:51:11,960
Speaker 3: you win in your subsequent fight, will bump it to

1249
00:51:12,040 --> 00:51:14,319
Speaker 3: fifteen and fifteen, then twenty and twenty if you keep winning,

1250
00:51:14,360 --> 00:51:16,320
Speaker 3: or whatever the escalation may be. I'm not saying that

1251
00:51:16,320 --> 00:51:18,080
Speaker 3: those are the exact numbers, but that's the idea.

1252
00:51:18,080 --> 00:51:18,399
Speaker 2: In mind.

1253
00:51:18,480 --> 00:51:20,920
Speaker 3: What he's saying is I was a defending champ in

1254
00:51:20,960 --> 00:51:23,879
Speaker 3: my last fight, and now into the second one, there's

1255
00:51:23,920 --> 00:51:26,239
Speaker 3: no escalator. He's still in the championship deal, which means

1256
00:51:26,280 --> 00:51:28,040
Speaker 3: he would make money off of pay per view, but

1257
00:51:28,120 --> 00:51:31,319
Speaker 3: the championship deal itself has no escalator in it. That

1258
00:51:31,440 --> 00:51:33,120
Speaker 3: is what he is asking for. So the first question

1259
00:51:33,160 --> 00:51:35,239
Speaker 3: would be, again, do you think this will work? Second

1260
00:51:35,280 --> 00:51:37,560
Speaker 3: of all, this is the thing that drives me fucking nuts.

1261
00:51:38,000 --> 00:51:40,440
Speaker 3: I have zero issue with him holding out if that's

1262
00:51:40,440 --> 00:51:43,240
Speaker 3: what he wants to do. I think that these guys

1263
00:51:43,280 --> 00:51:45,399
Speaker 3: have short careers and they need to make the best

1264
00:51:45,440 --> 00:51:47,520
Speaker 3: decisions for themselves. I didn't think he was going to

1265
00:51:47,560 --> 00:51:49,759
Speaker 3: be yon, and he proved me totally wrong. He is

1266
00:51:49,920 --> 00:51:53,239
Speaker 3: entitled to seek his fortunes in the best way possible.

1267
00:51:53,440 --> 00:51:57,120
Speaker 3: But how many times do we have to see fighters

1268
00:51:57,160 --> 00:51:58,640
Speaker 3: be like, oh, I'm a company man and then it

1269
00:51:58,640 --> 00:52:01,279
Speaker 3: didn't get rewarded in the long run. Why do they

1270
00:52:01,320 --> 00:52:04,279
Speaker 3: keep doing this? I'm not saying being antagonistic with the

1271
00:52:04,360 --> 00:52:07,839
Speaker 3: UFC is a solution either, but this idea that like, oh,

1272
00:52:07,880 --> 00:52:11,120
Speaker 3: if I scratch your back, they'll scratch yours, dude, there

1273
00:52:11,160 --> 00:52:13,960
Speaker 3: is no evidence for that, or at least very very little,

1274
00:52:14,000 --> 00:52:16,239
Speaker 3: and it only happens to certain guys who are like

1275
00:52:16,280 --> 00:52:19,280
Speaker 3: favorite sons, which he's not necessarily been with UFC management.

1276
00:52:19,520 --> 00:52:21,640
Speaker 3: Just unpack this for me. What do you see as

1277
00:52:21,640 --> 00:52:23,239
Speaker 3: his cause? Do you see this legitimate? Do you think

1278
00:52:23,239 --> 00:52:24,480
Speaker 3: it will work well?

1279
00:52:24,760 --> 00:52:26,640
Speaker 4: How many favorite suns have they're actually been over the years,

1280
00:52:26,680 --> 00:52:28,160
Speaker 4: Like you probably count them on your two hands.

1281
00:52:28,440 --> 00:52:29,640
Speaker 5: But I hope it works.

1282
00:52:29,800 --> 00:52:31,480
Speaker 4: I don't think it's going to work, though, and it's

1283
00:52:31,520 --> 00:52:33,400
Speaker 4: just because time and time again we've seen this happen,

1284
00:52:33,840 --> 00:52:36,320
Speaker 4: and the way that the UFC approaches these things is

1285
00:52:36,360 --> 00:52:38,280
Speaker 4: like the train is always ready to leave the station

1286
00:52:38,719 --> 00:52:40,319
Speaker 4: right like you're either going to be on the train

1287
00:52:40,400 --> 00:52:41,319
Speaker 4: or you're not going to be on the train.

1288
00:52:41,320 --> 00:52:43,680
Speaker 5: It's up to you. Because the UFC.

1289
00:52:43,440 --> 00:52:46,960
Speaker 4: Fans seem to have no issue with the UFC, and

1290
00:52:47,000 --> 00:52:49,040
Speaker 4: it hasn't happened that often because usually they come to

1291
00:52:49,080 --> 00:52:52,080
Speaker 4: some sort of amicable agreement. But if the UFC said,

1292
00:52:52,080 --> 00:52:54,360
Speaker 4: you know what we're gonna do, TJ. Devilshop versus poetryon

1293
00:52:54,719 --> 00:52:57,319
Speaker 4: next for the title and al Jamein Sterling has not

1294
00:52:57,360 --> 00:52:59,440
Speaker 4: agreed to our contract terms and that's the way it's

1295
00:52:59,440 --> 00:53:01,279
Speaker 4: going to be, you wouldn't hear that big of an

1296
00:53:01,280 --> 00:53:04,520
Speaker 4: outcry the problem with it. I mean, the UFC have

1297
00:53:04,560 --> 00:53:07,720
Speaker 4: built an interesting system. Here's a system where, in my opinion,

1298
00:53:08,120 --> 00:53:11,760
Speaker 4: the headline the champions are actually underpaid when you compare

1299
00:53:11,800 --> 00:53:15,280
Speaker 4: it to other combat sports, but the ninety five percent

1300
00:53:15,320 --> 00:53:17,479
Speaker 4: of the roster that make up non champions and non

1301
00:53:17,840 --> 00:53:21,600
Speaker 4: top five guys that aren't established, they're actually making a

1302
00:53:21,600 --> 00:53:25,040
Speaker 4: lot more in comparison to what like the boxers that

1303
00:53:25,080 --> 00:53:27,640
Speaker 4: would be on prelimbs would make in the sports. So

1304
00:53:27,840 --> 00:53:29,680
Speaker 4: the majority of the roster as a result of that,

1305
00:53:29,880 --> 00:53:33,280
Speaker 4: is relatively happy with where they're at. So the champions

1306
00:53:33,280 --> 00:53:34,520
Speaker 4: are the ones they're going to be making the stink

1307
00:53:34,560 --> 00:53:36,919
Speaker 4: all the time. But because there's only one championship belt

1308
00:53:36,920 --> 00:53:38,640
Speaker 4: and they always have someone who's willing to step in

1309
00:53:38,920 --> 00:53:41,240
Speaker 4: if they need to if they're unable to reach terms,

1310
00:53:41,640 --> 00:53:43,840
Speaker 4: they kind of always have that leverage over the champions.

1311
00:53:43,920 --> 00:53:46,520
Speaker 4: So I think leverage is an important thing to have

1312
00:53:46,560 --> 00:53:49,600
Speaker 4: in MMA, and it's really hard for fighters to get

1313
00:53:49,600 --> 00:53:52,400
Speaker 4: that leverage, almost impossible.

1314
00:53:51,880 --> 00:53:53,880
Speaker 5: Really, So I do hope it works out for al Jo.

1315
00:53:53,960 --> 00:53:55,279
Speaker 5: I do hope that they end up paying him more.

1316
00:53:55,280 --> 00:53:57,400
Speaker 4: I think that his performance against Yon was phenomenal and

1317
00:53:57,640 --> 00:54:00,360
Speaker 4: he proved that he is the best band wait in

1318
00:54:00,400 --> 00:54:03,160
Speaker 4: the world right now. So I'd say, pay the man,

1319
00:54:03,200 --> 00:54:04,360
Speaker 4: but it's not my wallet.

1320
00:54:05,960 --> 00:54:08,440
Speaker 3: The other part I would say, to me, when we

1321
00:54:08,480 --> 00:54:11,239
Speaker 3: talk about leverage, it's like, what real leverage is there now?

1322
00:54:11,480 --> 00:54:15,520
Speaker 3: To be clear, uh Sterling as champion, I would agree that,

1323
00:54:15,640 --> 00:54:18,560
Speaker 3: relatively speaking, that might be the most amount of leverage

1324
00:54:18,600 --> 00:54:21,160
Speaker 3: that he has at least to date with the UFC.

1325
00:54:21,320 --> 00:54:22,839
Speaker 3: Right he has climbed the ranks. They put a belt

1326
00:54:22,880 --> 00:54:24,960
Speaker 3: around his waist and he has a contract where he

1327
00:54:24,960 --> 00:54:26,880
Speaker 3: gets pay per viewpoints. That puts him in a pretty

1328
00:54:26,880 --> 00:54:31,200
Speaker 3: prestigious and rare position. On the other hand, like what

1329
00:54:31,360 --> 00:54:34,239
Speaker 3: is your I dare you moment? Like, do you dare

1330
00:54:34,280 --> 00:54:37,560
Speaker 3: them to take the title from him? Because if they did, granted,

1331
00:54:37,600 --> 00:54:41,080
Speaker 3: there might be some outcry online, But do we substantively

1332
00:54:41,200 --> 00:54:44,399
Speaker 3: think A that the fans would revolt because I don't

1333
00:54:44,880 --> 00:54:47,040
Speaker 3: or that B if they put a if they've stripped

1334
00:54:47,080 --> 00:54:48,520
Speaker 3: him and then he gave the title shot to I

1335
00:54:48,520 --> 00:54:51,239
Speaker 3: don't know, sand Haagan and Yon or something like that.

1336
00:54:51,320 --> 00:54:53,880
Speaker 3: I'm sorry, not Sanagan. But let's say Dila Shaw Dillashaw

1337
00:54:54,000 --> 00:54:55,960
Speaker 3: versus Yon or something, and then the winner of that

1338
00:54:56,000 --> 00:55:00,719
Speaker 3: became champion. Would the fans rightfully a protest in marketplace

1339
00:55:00,920 --> 00:55:03,719
Speaker 3: or be suggest that Billishaw if he won, let's say,

1340
00:55:04,160 --> 00:55:05,240
Speaker 3: wasn't actually the champion?

1341
00:55:05,320 --> 00:55:05,520
Speaker 4: Not?

1342
00:55:05,520 --> 00:55:08,120
Speaker 3: Not really, not really. So what you're basically able to

1343
00:55:08,160 --> 00:55:10,719
Speaker 3: say is, Okay, I've occupied a pretty important position. It

1344
00:55:10,719 --> 00:55:12,560
Speaker 3: would not be great for either party to do this.

1345
00:55:13,040 --> 00:55:14,600
Speaker 2: But there's really nothing.

1346
00:55:14,320 --> 00:55:20,680
Speaker 3: From a casualty of business standpoint, like what bad consequence

1347
00:55:20,800 --> 00:55:24,480
Speaker 3: might happen to stop them? And so what leverage do

1348
00:55:24,520 --> 00:55:27,560
Speaker 3: you really have? Francis has more leverage. Francis as the

1349
00:55:27,600 --> 00:55:30,520
Speaker 3: existing heavyweight champion at the end of his run. Now

1350
00:55:30,560 --> 00:55:33,360
Speaker 3: that's leverage. That may not work either, because the UFC

1351
00:55:33,400 --> 00:55:36,000
Speaker 3: doesn't like to be leveraged. But if you're an existing

1352
00:55:36,080 --> 00:55:39,000
Speaker 3: champion on a contract and you don't like it, Again,

1353
00:55:39,120 --> 00:55:41,840
Speaker 3: I am in no way saying you shouldn't pursue the

1354
00:55:41,920 --> 00:55:44,400
Speaker 3: vision of finance that you have for yourself, But I

1355
00:55:44,520 --> 00:55:47,760
Speaker 3: do think that even championship level fighters seem to overrate

1356
00:55:47,840 --> 00:55:50,920
Speaker 3: the amount of leverage that they have relative to what

1357
00:55:50,960 --> 00:55:53,239
Speaker 3: the UFC can actually do or get away with.

1358
00:55:55,040 --> 00:55:57,240
Speaker 4: Yeah, like I said, the train will leave the station

1359
00:55:57,360 --> 00:55:59,000
Speaker 4: and the fans seem to always be a length to

1360
00:55:59,040 --> 00:56:01,960
Speaker 4: jump on that train. So that really takes away any

1361
00:56:02,040 --> 00:56:04,000
Speaker 4: sort of levere that you might have. And it's it's

1362
00:56:04,040 --> 00:56:07,520
Speaker 4: a really sad reality of the situation, but it is

1363
00:56:07,760 --> 00:56:10,200
Speaker 4: the reality. And I think that that's what makes it

1364
00:56:10,239 --> 00:56:13,880
Speaker 4: so problematic in these situations where you look at boxing

1365
00:56:13,920 --> 00:56:16,719
Speaker 4: and you see these these guys that are headlining cars

1366
00:56:16,719 --> 00:56:17,920
Speaker 4: making millions of dollars.

1367
00:56:18,080 --> 00:56:18,440
Speaker 2: If you're a.

1368
00:56:18,480 --> 00:56:19,799
Speaker 5: Champion in the UFC, you want that.

1369
00:56:19,800 --> 00:56:23,120
Speaker 4: That's that's what you have worked so hard to achieve,

1370
00:56:23,239 --> 00:56:25,279
Speaker 4: is to achieve championship level so that you can take

1371
00:56:25,280 --> 00:56:27,560
Speaker 4: care of yourself and your family in the long run right.

1372
00:56:27,880 --> 00:56:28,960
Speaker 5: But again, I think.

1373
00:56:28,800 --> 00:56:31,880
Speaker 4: That the system allows it so that the majority of

1374
00:56:31,920 --> 00:56:34,040
Speaker 4: the UFC fighters are happy with what they're making because

1375
00:56:34,040 --> 00:56:36,240
Speaker 4: they look at other combat sports and what the people

1376
00:56:36,840 --> 00:56:39,520
Speaker 4: on that I guess part of the total poll are making.

1377
00:56:40,000 --> 00:56:41,560
Speaker 3: Just to stop you, do you think the majority of

1378
00:56:41,640 --> 00:56:45,200
Speaker 3: UFC athletes are happy because my experience that is not true. Well,

1379
00:56:45,200 --> 00:56:47,200
Speaker 3: I would say, I would say I would say on

1380
00:56:47,239 --> 00:56:48,280
Speaker 3: a different fighter majority.

1381
00:56:48,840 --> 00:56:50,200
Speaker 4: I think that a lot of the fighters that I've

1382
00:56:50,200 --> 00:56:51,680
Speaker 4: spoken to on entry lef I've spoken to them off

1383
00:56:51,680 --> 00:56:54,680
Speaker 4: the record that are on entry level contracts and I've

1384
00:56:54,719 --> 00:56:56,480
Speaker 4: asked them like, are you happy with what you what

1385
00:56:56,520 --> 00:56:59,120
Speaker 4: you're making, And a lot of them are because they

1386
00:56:59,200 --> 00:57:00,920
Speaker 4: look at what they would be making in boxing and

1387
00:57:00,960 --> 00:57:03,239
Speaker 4: you're talking about like five hundred one thousand dollars, two

1388
00:57:03,239 --> 00:57:06,120
Speaker 4: thousand dollars. I think everybody always want to make more money,

1389
00:57:06,280 --> 00:57:10,759
Speaker 4: but I think that the big discrepancy in terms of

1390
00:57:10,760 --> 00:57:12,640
Speaker 4: fight or pay when people talk about boxing versus the

1391
00:57:12,680 --> 00:57:14,160
Speaker 4: UFC or the people at the top, not the people

1392
00:57:14,160 --> 00:57:15,440
Speaker 4: at the bottom. And I think that there are more

1393
00:57:15,480 --> 00:57:17,760
Speaker 4: people at the bottom in the UFC, and that as

1394
00:57:17,800 --> 00:57:20,280
Speaker 4: a result of that, they're actually pretty comfortable with what

1395
00:57:20,280 --> 00:57:23,480
Speaker 4: they're making because until they reached that championship level and

1396
00:57:23,480 --> 00:57:25,680
Speaker 4: they see what champions of other sports are making, that's

1397
00:57:25,720 --> 00:57:27,040
Speaker 4: their line of comparison.

1398
00:57:29,120 --> 00:57:30,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I guess I've had a different experience,

1399
00:57:31,120 --> 00:57:36,080
Speaker 3: but neither here nor there. So let's let's game plan here.

1400
00:57:36,360 --> 00:57:39,720
Speaker 3: What actually happens? Do they fight in September or do

1401
00:57:39,800 --> 00:57:42,240
Speaker 3: you really think Sterling goes to the map, because that's

1402
00:57:42,240 --> 00:57:43,920
Speaker 3: really what this ing is on. It's like, if you

1403
00:57:44,000 --> 00:57:47,760
Speaker 3: really want to execute your leverage and they call your bluff, bro,

1404
00:57:47,840 --> 00:57:48,960
Speaker 3: you got to go through with it.

1405
00:57:49,080 --> 00:57:51,040
Speaker 2: So how does this get resolved?

1406
00:57:52,000 --> 00:57:54,640
Speaker 4: Well, I'll tell you where the leverage lies. The leverage

1407
00:57:54,680 --> 00:57:57,040
Speaker 4: lies where if you go division by division and you

1408
00:57:57,160 --> 00:57:59,560
Speaker 4: look at what is available for September, because thats where

1409
00:57:59,600 --> 00:58:00,720
Speaker 4: you're gonna have your leverage.

1410
00:58:00,840 --> 00:58:02,320
Speaker 5: Flyweight probably not available.

1411
00:58:02,320 --> 00:58:05,800
Speaker 4: We got a flyweight interim championship out that's happening at

1412
00:58:05,840 --> 00:58:08,120
Speaker 4: the end of July, so to turn that around for

1413
00:58:08,160 --> 00:58:11,720
Speaker 4: September unlikely. We're talking bantam weight here, so that's the

1414
00:58:11,760 --> 00:58:14,479
Speaker 4: topic of conversation. Featherweight that's happening in July as well.

1415
00:58:14,840 --> 00:58:17,800
Speaker 4: Volkanovski's expressed an interest in fighting more times this year,

1416
00:58:17,840 --> 00:58:21,720
Speaker 4: but who knows Afebt all Away how he comes out

1417
00:58:21,760 --> 00:58:24,600
Speaker 4: of that fight, So to say the July to September

1418
00:58:24,760 --> 00:58:27,160
Speaker 4: again two months not super likely. Then you go to

1419
00:58:27,240 --> 00:58:30,040
Speaker 4: lightweight ola Era on the table. Who knows what's happening there,

1420
00:58:30,040 --> 00:58:31,880
Speaker 4: But if he's gonna fight Islam, I expect that to

1421
00:58:31,880 --> 00:58:34,000
Speaker 4: be an Abu Dhabi, so maybe that's off the table.

1422
00:58:34,440 --> 00:58:37,760
Speaker 4: Welter Weights in August not gonna happen. You move on

1423
00:58:37,760 --> 00:58:42,400
Speaker 4: to middleweight, also happening in July again turn around two

1424
00:58:42,400 --> 00:58:46,880
Speaker 4: months unlikely, I would say, because you also have that

1425
00:58:46,960 --> 00:58:49,720
Speaker 4: Pereira and Strickland fight that's happening at the end of July.

1426
00:58:49,800 --> 00:58:52,000
Speaker 4: That's apparently going to determine the number one contender, So

1427
00:58:52,200 --> 00:58:55,680
Speaker 4: that train moves on light heavyweight. I'm thinking that's gonna

1428
00:58:55,720 --> 00:58:57,960
Speaker 4: happen at MSG if they're gonna do a rematch, that

1429
00:58:57,960 --> 00:59:00,000
Speaker 4: would make a lot of sense. And then of course

1430
00:59:00,080 --> 00:59:02,640
Speaker 4: heavyweight Francis is on the shelf. Who knows what the

1431
00:59:02,680 --> 00:59:05,040
Speaker 4: interim situation is. That's a possibility for September that that

1432
00:59:05,040 --> 00:59:07,280
Speaker 4: would take away a lot of leverage from the Banthawet division,

1433
00:59:07,440 --> 00:59:09,400
Speaker 4: and then the women's divisions are kind of tied up. Also,

1434
00:59:09,520 --> 00:59:12,320
Speaker 4: you got a sparza and and Waylee not the biggest

1435
00:59:12,320 --> 00:59:14,400
Speaker 4: box office draw. That could happen in September, but I

1436
00:59:14,400 --> 00:59:16,000
Speaker 4: don't know if it will that. I think that will

1437
00:59:16,040 --> 00:59:18,520
Speaker 4: probably happen later in the year as well. You know,

1438
00:59:18,560 --> 00:59:21,160
Speaker 4: women's fly weight that just happened could happen again in September.

1439
00:59:21,160 --> 00:59:21,560
Speaker 5: Who knows.

1440
00:59:22,120 --> 00:59:24,720
Speaker 4: And then of course bantamweight that's end of July. And featherweight.

1441
00:59:24,720 --> 00:59:27,480
Speaker 4: That featherweight champion is the banthaweight champion, so or is

1442
00:59:27,560 --> 00:59:29,600
Speaker 4: fighting for the Bantham weight championship rather, so that's probably

1443
00:59:29,600 --> 00:59:30,240
Speaker 4: off the table too.

1444
00:59:30,280 --> 00:59:31,600
Speaker 5: So that's where you can.

1445
00:59:31,520 --> 00:59:33,640
Speaker 4: Figure out your leverage is like what are the UFCSE

1446
00:59:33,720 --> 00:59:36,400
Speaker 4: other options and how willing are they to make it

1447
00:59:36,480 --> 00:59:37,680
Speaker 4: in such a short period of time.

1448
00:59:38,840 --> 00:59:40,680
Speaker 3: Of course, the other option could be lasting on this.

1449
00:59:40,960 --> 00:59:42,760
Speaker 3: They could also and again I'm not saying this would

1450
00:59:42,760 --> 00:59:44,880
Speaker 3: be great. I'm not saying this is inevitable. I don't

1451
00:59:44,920 --> 00:59:47,160
Speaker 3: know how likely it is, but we have to at

1452
00:59:47,240 --> 00:59:51,800
Speaker 3: least think of possibilities. And one of them is, hey, okay,

1453
00:59:51,880 --> 00:59:54,080
Speaker 3: al Jamaine doesn't want to fight, and you know, you

1454
00:59:54,120 --> 00:59:56,439
Speaker 3: know how Dana, we'll spin it. The alsh Man doesn't

1455
00:59:56,440 --> 00:59:57,680
Speaker 3: want to fight, so if he doesn't want to fight,

1456
00:59:57,720 --> 00:59:59,560
Speaker 3: what can we do? We'll strip him or at a

1457
00:59:59,600 --> 01:00:01,360
Speaker 3: bare mini, let him do what he's gonna do, and

1458
01:00:01,360 --> 01:00:04,320
Speaker 3: then just make an interim title between Dila Shaw and

1459
01:00:04,360 --> 01:00:06,439
Speaker 3: whoever else the reasonable top ranked guy as they could

1460
01:00:06,440 --> 01:00:08,400
Speaker 3: put him against in short order, and then just call

1461
01:00:08,440 --> 01:00:09,640
Speaker 3: it a day. It's like, now we're just gonna have

1462
01:00:09,680 --> 01:00:10,800
Speaker 3: the interim champion defended.

1463
01:00:10,840 --> 01:00:13,360
Speaker 4: Or it's always a nuclear option when you're against someone

1464
01:00:13,360 --> 01:00:14,160
Speaker 4: who has leverage.

1465
01:00:14,880 --> 01:00:16,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, right, I mean they they have.

1466
01:00:16,640 --> 01:00:19,760
Speaker 3: I mean in the end, who controls the titles, the promoter, right,

1467
01:00:19,800 --> 01:00:23,040
Speaker 3: so they can do with them technically what they want.

1468
01:00:23,200 --> 01:00:24,560
Speaker 3: So we'll have to see how that goes. I do

1469
01:00:24,600 --> 01:00:26,080
Speaker 3: hope that they get around it, though, because that is

1470
01:00:26,120 --> 01:00:28,760
Speaker 3: a sensational fight. And again I'll just say last thing

1471
01:00:28,760 --> 01:00:30,880
Speaker 3: on this, I did you think Sterling was going to

1472
01:00:30,920 --> 01:00:33,560
Speaker 3: beat Jahan in the rematch? Because candidly, one of the

1473
01:00:33,600 --> 01:00:35,560
Speaker 3: more times I had to like really reflect on my

1474
01:00:35,600 --> 01:00:37,040
Speaker 3: own biases, I was like, wow, I didn't think he

1475
01:00:37,040 --> 01:00:38,960
Speaker 3: was going to do it, and he did it, and

1476
01:00:39,000 --> 01:00:41,960
Speaker 3: he did it fairly, and my judgment squarely, I think

1477
01:00:41,960 --> 01:00:42,880
Speaker 3: that was the right call.

1478
01:00:43,400 --> 01:00:44,600
Speaker 2: It was impressive what he did.

1479
01:00:45,560 --> 01:00:47,640
Speaker 4: Oh absolutely, it was very impressive, and I think a

1480
01:00:47,640 --> 01:00:49,000
Speaker 4: lot of people had written Alze maen off, and I

1481
01:00:49,000 --> 01:00:51,000
Speaker 4: think Aljamin Stock is probably pretty high right now.

1482
01:00:51,080 --> 01:00:53,520
Speaker 5: Right so again, I think that the nuclear.

1483
01:00:53,200 --> 01:00:55,680
Speaker 4: Option would be to blow it up and put another

1484
01:00:55,720 --> 01:00:56,920
Speaker 4: bout between Dilish.

1485
01:00:56,600 --> 01:00:58,480
Speaker 5: And someone else. But I think ultimately, at the end

1486
01:00:58,480 --> 01:00:59,040
Speaker 5: of the day, if.

1487
01:00:58,920 --> 01:01:00,800
Speaker 4: I would have bet on it right now, will al

1488
01:01:00,840 --> 01:01:03,960
Speaker 4: Jamain Sterling be facing Delashaw in September, I would be

1489
01:01:03,960 --> 01:01:05,560
Speaker 4: betting on the yes in that situation.

1490
01:01:06,720 --> 01:01:08,640
Speaker 3: Fair enough, All right, let's talk about what is going

1491
01:01:08,680 --> 01:01:12,400
Speaker 3: on tonight. This will air on the prelim card will

1492
01:01:12,400 --> 01:01:14,800
Speaker 3: be on ESPN Plus, and then the main card will

1493
01:01:14,800 --> 01:01:16,400
Speaker 3: be on ESPN slash ESPN Plus.

1494
01:01:16,440 --> 01:01:17,440
Speaker 2: Of course you can watch however.

1495
01:01:17,280 --> 01:01:21,120
Speaker 3: You want TSPFL four. So this will be part of

1496
01:01:21,160 --> 01:01:24,200
Speaker 3: the light heavyweight tournament where Carlos excuse me, shoe face

1497
01:01:24,200 --> 01:01:26,960
Speaker 3: Antonio Carlos Junior currently sits at the top of the

1498
01:01:27,040 --> 01:01:29,080
Speaker 3: leader board, although he shares it with a Mariok Metev

1499
01:01:29,160 --> 01:01:30,840
Speaker 3: who is also on this car. But he is the

1500
01:01:30,880 --> 01:01:33,800
Speaker 3: headlining fight of the prelams. But the headlining fight of

1501
01:01:33,840 --> 01:01:37,320
Speaker 3: the card is I mean, what a story he has had.

1502
01:01:37,560 --> 01:01:39,840
Speaker 3: We thought that maybe at the end of last season

1503
01:01:39,880 --> 01:01:41,959
Speaker 3: when he lost that might have been it. He comes

1504
01:01:41,960 --> 01:01:45,040
Speaker 3: back and faces Jeremy Stevens. Clay Collard is going to

1505
01:01:45,040 --> 01:01:47,640
Speaker 3: be headlining against Alexander Martinez, who has had some up

1506
01:01:47,640 --> 01:01:49,600
Speaker 3: and down moments in the PFL as well. What do

1507
01:01:49,640 --> 01:01:51,440
Speaker 3: you make of the career of Clay color and somewhat

1508
01:01:51,440 --> 01:01:54,400
Speaker 3: for of forgotten UFC name who kind of took advantage

1509
01:01:54,400 --> 01:01:57,320
Speaker 3: of some interesting matchups during the pandemic on top rank,

1510
01:01:57,600 --> 01:01:59,760
Speaker 3: beat up a bunch of people he was not supposed to,

1511
01:02:00,080 --> 01:02:02,440
Speaker 3: and has really turned into something of like a I

1512
01:02:02,480 --> 01:02:04,680
Speaker 3: don't know if cult like figures the word, but certainly

1513
01:02:04,680 --> 01:02:05,960
Speaker 3: a curious one just the same.

1514
01:02:07,400 --> 01:02:10,560
Speaker 4: The UFC signed Clay Collared and then for whatever reason,

1515
01:02:10,600 --> 01:02:12,640
Speaker 4: the fight fell through and they let him go like

1516
01:02:12,680 --> 01:02:14,920
Speaker 4: that this for a second stint, and I think that,

1517
01:02:15,320 --> 01:02:17,320
Speaker 4: like they've got to be looking back at that thinking

1518
01:02:17,600 --> 01:02:19,600
Speaker 4: what a mistake we made here, Because Clay Collared has

1519
01:02:19,680 --> 01:02:22,439
Speaker 4: exciting fight after exciting fight after exciting fight, and he's

1520
01:02:22,440 --> 01:02:24,360
Speaker 4: really built himself into I would say, if you're looking

1521
01:02:24,400 --> 01:02:26,240
Speaker 4: at the stars of the PFL, he's a star of

1522
01:02:26,280 --> 01:02:28,160
Speaker 4: the PFL now and he did it in the PFL,

1523
01:02:28,720 --> 01:02:30,680
Speaker 4: so kudos to him. I love watching this guy fight.

1524
01:02:30,840 --> 01:02:34,320
Speaker 4: His fights are always amazing, and yeah, he's headlining it

1525
01:02:34,360 --> 01:02:36,959
Speaker 4: and I think he's probably gonna win this fight. But yeah,

1526
01:02:36,960 --> 01:02:39,000
Speaker 4: what a story, What a great story. And I know

1527
01:02:39,040 --> 01:02:41,040
Speaker 4: that he also dabbled in boxing it and won a

1528
01:02:41,320 --> 01:02:43,600
Speaker 4: boxing match that he really wasn't supposed to win also,

1529
01:02:44,040 --> 01:02:46,040
Speaker 4: so quite a career in the last couple of years.

1530
01:02:47,040 --> 01:02:49,880
Speaker 3: They put him against. They put him against some young prospect.

1531
01:02:49,920 --> 01:02:53,120
Speaker 3: I think it was either a Brooklyn kid or an

1532
01:02:53,160 --> 01:02:55,320
Speaker 3: Israeli kid, one of the two. And he was like

1533
01:02:55,320 --> 01:02:57,160
Speaker 3: a super high prospect and he looked the part. Dude,

1534
01:02:57,200 --> 01:02:59,400
Speaker 3: he was in good shape, he boxed really well. But dude,

1535
01:02:59,440 --> 01:03:01,280
Speaker 3: clear collared. He's just one of these guys who just

1536
01:03:01,400 --> 01:03:05,320
Speaker 3: finds sort of these clever ways to take advantage of

1537
01:03:05,360 --> 01:03:07,440
Speaker 3: little openings that no one else sees. And he managed

1538
01:03:07,440 --> 01:03:08,840
Speaker 3: to put it on him and get the decision win.

1539
01:03:08,960 --> 01:03:11,240
Speaker 3: That was like, wow, that was really not supposed to

1540
01:03:11,240 --> 01:03:14,520
Speaker 3: happen at all. So a kudos to him for just

1541
01:03:14,680 --> 01:03:16,800
Speaker 3: I can't believe he's put it the the you know,

1542
01:03:16,960 --> 01:03:18,840
Speaker 3: for a guy who's twenty one to nine. Outside of

1543
01:03:18,840 --> 01:03:20,360
Speaker 3: the UFC, he's got to be one of the more

1544
01:03:20,960 --> 01:03:23,600
Speaker 3: interesting combat sports fighters that there is. Also on this card.

1545
01:03:23,720 --> 01:03:26,440
Speaker 3: As I mentioned, Shoeface Junior taken on Bruce Suto. I

1546
01:03:26,440 --> 01:03:27,760
Speaker 3: don't know how to pronounce his last name. He is

1547
01:03:27,760 --> 01:03:30,200
Speaker 3: also Brazilian. Shoeface is kind of heavily favored to win

1548
01:03:30,240 --> 01:03:31,560
Speaker 3: this one, the big one that I want to ask

1549
01:03:31,560 --> 01:03:34,440
Speaker 3: you about. How sh man Fiel winning last season back

1550
01:03:34,520 --> 01:03:37,920
Speaker 3: this one unbelievable power. Don Madge was a guy I

1551
01:03:37,960 --> 01:03:39,760
Speaker 3: still have a lot of respect for thought he was

1552
01:03:39,800 --> 01:03:43,200
Speaker 3: gonna win. He was winning until he wasn't because Manfield

1553
01:03:43,200 --> 01:03:47,720
Speaker 3: has sick power taken on fellow Canadian Olivier Aubin Mercia.

1554
01:03:47,880 --> 01:03:49,160
Speaker 2: How do you size this matchup?

1555
01:03:51,040 --> 01:03:53,320
Speaker 4: Manfield is the underdog again, Like they keep making this

1556
01:03:53,320 --> 01:03:55,600
Speaker 4: guy the underdog and he keep it winning, right, But

1557
01:03:55,720 --> 01:03:58,000
Speaker 4: I mean against Olivia Obon Mercier, he can take you

1558
01:03:58,040 --> 01:04:00,720
Speaker 4: down and just make it like absolutely miserable Manfield. Though,

1559
01:04:00,800 --> 01:04:03,200
Speaker 4: I mean, this guy's just looked so good in the PFL,

1560
01:04:03,640 --> 01:04:07,000
Speaker 4: and I mean I think Oban Merci is a great fighter.

1561
01:04:07,200 --> 01:04:09,560
Speaker 4: I mean he's still trains with the GSP very regularly

1562
01:04:10,080 --> 01:04:12,520
Speaker 4: and I'm eager to see how he looks here. But

1563
01:04:13,160 --> 01:04:15,520
Speaker 4: I mean, Manfio is a guy that if you see

1564
01:04:15,520 --> 01:04:18,760
Speaker 4: this guy with a plus sign beside his name. You

1565
01:04:18,840 --> 01:04:20,800
Speaker 4: have to take him, don't you. I mean, in this

1566
01:04:20,840 --> 01:04:22,720
Speaker 4: situation with him winning the tournament last year, with him

1567
01:04:22,720 --> 01:04:24,720
Speaker 4: being an underdog and beating every single guy on the

1568
01:04:24,760 --> 01:04:26,080
Speaker 4: way up, and then in the last betting is Don

1569
01:04:26,120 --> 01:04:28,920
Speaker 4: Madge being an underdog and winning that fight two, what's

1570
01:04:28,960 --> 01:04:30,280
Speaker 4: it gonna take for this guy to be to get

1571
01:04:30,280 --> 01:04:31,240
Speaker 4: some sort of respect here?

1572
01:04:31,840 --> 01:04:33,600
Speaker 3: I mean, that's the thing about it, right, It's like, dude,

1573
01:04:33,680 --> 01:04:36,480
Speaker 3: Don match to me looked like the overall more complete

1574
01:04:36,560 --> 01:04:39,440
Speaker 3: and better, certainly more technical fighter of the two. But

1575
01:04:39,600 --> 01:04:43,479
Speaker 3: fucking Manfio's power carries late in fights. It doesn't matter

1576
01:04:43,520 --> 01:04:45,400
Speaker 3: if you won the first two rounds, if that dude

1577
01:04:45,440 --> 01:04:48,000
Speaker 3: still has the same kind of first round power whatever

1578
01:04:48,040 --> 01:04:49,960
Speaker 3: you want to call it, in the third. So I

1579
01:04:50,400 --> 01:04:55,120
Speaker 3: think Olivia Albin Marcia a great wrestler, obviously very experienced,

1580
01:04:55,200 --> 01:04:57,640
Speaker 3: as you mentioned, you know, as trained with the very best.

1581
01:04:58,240 --> 01:05:01,440
Speaker 3: I understand I can understand why oddsmakers would have a

1582
01:05:01,520 --> 01:05:04,480
Speaker 3: high degree of confidence in his ability to win, because

1583
01:05:04,480 --> 01:05:07,920
Speaker 3: I don't think that is sort of stated more generally unfair.

1584
01:05:08,480 --> 01:05:10,920
Speaker 3: But I would be nervous betting on this one. If

1585
01:05:10,960 --> 01:05:14,360
Speaker 3: I was betting on Marcia Alvin all beIN Marcia. Excuse me.

1586
01:05:15,080 --> 01:05:18,120
Speaker 3: Just by virtue of this guy, Montfeo has the ability

1587
01:05:18,160 --> 01:05:20,400
Speaker 3: to snatch victory from the jaws of defeat at a

1588
01:05:20,520 --> 01:05:23,360
Speaker 3: moment's notice. One punch is truly all it takes. That's

1589
01:05:23,400 --> 01:05:26,760
Speaker 3: a dangerous guy to be betting against, for.

1590
01:05:26,480 --> 01:05:29,080
Speaker 5: Sure, Yeah, for sure.

1591
01:05:29,360 --> 01:05:31,320
Speaker 4: And I think his grapping is pretty good too, right,

1592
01:05:31,400 --> 01:05:34,240
Speaker 4: I mean he's he trains a lot of really, I mean,

1593
01:05:34,320 --> 01:05:37,160
Speaker 4: Natan Schultz is his best friend. He's actually I can't

1594
01:05:37,160 --> 01:05:40,040
Speaker 4: remember if he's the stepfather, the not stepfather but the

1595
01:05:40,240 --> 01:05:43,680
Speaker 4: godfather of Schultz's son or vice versa.

1596
01:05:43,800 --> 01:05:45,160
Speaker 5: Like, that's how close these guys are. They almost have

1597
01:05:45,200 --> 01:05:45,720
Speaker 5: to fight each other.

1598
01:05:45,800 --> 01:05:48,120
Speaker 4: Last season, they were scheduled to fight each other and

1599
01:05:48,160 --> 01:05:50,560
Speaker 4: somehow that ended up falling apart. Thankfully for them, because

1600
01:05:50,560 --> 01:05:52,200
Speaker 4: I'm sure that it's like having to fight a brother

1601
01:05:52,280 --> 01:05:55,560
Speaker 4: in there. But yeah, Manfeo, this guy just keeps winning,

1602
01:05:55,880 --> 01:05:58,000
Speaker 4: and he's winning as an underdog. So I just don't

1603
01:05:58,000 --> 01:05:59,520
Speaker 4: know what to say about him. All I do know

1604
01:05:59,640 --> 01:06:01,920
Speaker 4: is that Oban Narcier is not an easy out. I

1605
01:06:01,960 --> 01:06:04,160
Speaker 4: don't know how many people actually beating him inside the distance.

1606
01:06:05,560 --> 01:06:07,400
Speaker 4: And if a fight goes to a decision. Chances out

1607
01:06:07,480 --> 01:06:09,640
Speaker 4: he's probably out wrestled you when you're gonna lose. So

1608
01:06:10,040 --> 01:06:11,560
Speaker 4: that's what makes this I think this is the most

1609
01:06:11,560 --> 01:06:15,040
Speaker 4: intriguing fight tonight for sure, and I understand why you're

1610
01:06:15,080 --> 01:06:18,160
Speaker 4: pointing this one in particular, route a couple.

1611
01:06:17,960 --> 01:06:19,440
Speaker 3: Of fights to pay attention to. On this one. There

1612
01:06:19,480 --> 01:06:21,560
Speaker 3: are some names you mentioned. Natan Schultz on this card.

1613
01:06:21,600 --> 01:06:25,160
Speaker 3: He takes on Marching Held, Marching Held UFC, veteran beltore,

1614
01:06:25,200 --> 01:06:27,120
Speaker 3: veteran great grappler. I don't think you ever quite fulfilled

1615
01:06:27,120 --> 01:06:28,680
Speaker 3: the promise that maybe we had had for him, but

1616
01:06:28,720 --> 01:06:32,600
Speaker 3: certainly nobody. You could just dismiss Rob Wilkinson's on this card,

1617
01:06:32,880 --> 01:06:35,960
Speaker 3: Victor Pesta's on this card, Emiliano Sorti the one fight

1618
01:06:36,040 --> 01:06:38,360
Speaker 3: that I do think is very interesting. How about Josh

1619
01:06:38,360 --> 01:06:41,120
Speaker 3: silvera Silveria all right, but SILVERA excuse me, I can

1620
01:06:41,160 --> 01:06:43,440
Speaker 3: never pronounce he's Conan's son. So I have you ever

1621
01:06:43,440 --> 01:06:45,840
Speaker 3: seen the guy in like Amanda Nunez is cornered, his big,

1622
01:06:45,880 --> 01:06:46,640
Speaker 3: old muscular guy.

1623
01:06:46,680 --> 01:06:47,560
Speaker 2: You might have seen him.

1624
01:06:48,000 --> 01:06:49,920
Speaker 3: And actually a lot of guys who fought at att

1625
01:06:50,640 --> 01:06:52,480
Speaker 3: fought himself has been a coach there for a long time.

1626
01:06:52,560 --> 01:06:55,640
Speaker 3: Legend in the game, this is his son, and he's undefeated,

1627
01:06:55,680 --> 01:06:59,040
Speaker 3: and so far he looks fucking awesome. He takes on

1628
01:06:59,080 --> 01:07:01,120
Speaker 3: and I can never pronounce his first name. I don't

1629
01:07:01,120 --> 01:07:04,800
Speaker 3: know if it's Martine or Martine Hamlet, this Norwegian dude

1630
01:07:04,800 --> 01:07:06,440
Speaker 3: that all the PFL guys were kind of telling me

1631
01:07:06,480 --> 01:07:07,680
Speaker 3: on the side that this was the guy to pay

1632
01:07:07,680 --> 01:07:09,920
Speaker 3: attention to. He didn't quite fulfill the promise in the

1633
01:07:09,960 --> 01:07:12,640
Speaker 3: last season that folks had hoped, and now he takes

1634
01:07:12,640 --> 01:07:15,240
Speaker 3: on a very very interesting prospect. I don't know if

1635
01:07:15,280 --> 01:07:16,880
Speaker 3: you know a whole lot about these two guys, Aarin,

1636
01:07:17,240 --> 01:07:21,160
Speaker 3: but if you're looking at Josh Silvera's future, winning here

1637
01:07:21,240 --> 01:07:23,960
Speaker 3: would tell you a pretty strong amount about how far

1638
01:07:24,000 --> 01:07:26,320
Speaker 3: he could go beat Losing wouldn't necessarily tell you he

1639
01:07:26,320 --> 01:07:27,000
Speaker 3: couldn't go far.

1640
01:07:27,280 --> 01:07:27,400
Speaker 1: Well.

1641
01:07:27,440 --> 01:07:30,040
Speaker 3: I guess what I'm arguing is if he does beat Hamlet,

1642
01:07:30,440 --> 01:07:33,240
Speaker 3: that would be a very very impressive win for a

1643
01:07:33,240 --> 01:07:35,120
Speaker 3: guy with at this point still less than ten pro

1644
01:07:35,280 --> 01:07:35,920
Speaker 3: mma fights.

1645
01:07:36,680 --> 01:07:38,360
Speaker 4: Yeah, they're not doing him many favors of the matchmaking

1646
01:07:38,360 --> 01:07:41,000
Speaker 4: because Martin Hamlin is very, very good. But I think

1647
01:07:41,040 --> 01:07:44,160
Speaker 4: that Silvera looks like an uber prospect. He looked great

1648
01:07:44,160 --> 01:07:45,800
Speaker 4: in LFA. I was surprised that he didn't end up

1649
01:07:45,800 --> 01:07:47,720
Speaker 4: in the UFC, ended up in the PFL, and is

1650
01:07:47,720 --> 01:07:49,800
Speaker 4: dead at where he I think he could. He's the

1651
01:07:49,840 --> 01:07:51,840
Speaker 4: dark horse in my opinion for this tournament. He could

1652
01:07:51,880 --> 01:07:54,200
Speaker 4: win a million dollars. He's a really, really good fighter,

1653
01:07:54,400 --> 01:07:56,640
Speaker 4: but this is going to be possibly the toughest matchup

1654
01:07:56,640 --> 01:07:58,560
Speaker 4: that he has in this division. I mean, Martin Hamlet

1655
01:07:58,600 --> 01:08:00,959
Speaker 4: is really solid and he's a strong grappler as well,

1656
01:08:01,400 --> 01:08:03,560
Speaker 4: and that's where I think Silbera does most of his

1657
01:08:03,640 --> 01:08:06,080
Speaker 4: best work. So I'm eager to see how this one

1658
01:08:06,080 --> 01:08:08,240
Speaker 4: plays out because this could end up being an indicator

1659
01:08:08,240 --> 01:08:09,520
Speaker 4: of how the rest of this tournament goes.

1660
01:08:10,880 --> 01:08:12,960
Speaker 3: All Right, we move on to Bellator, who made just

1661
01:08:13,000 --> 01:08:16,160
Speaker 3: an absolute wave of announcements in the last few days

1662
01:08:16,160 --> 01:08:18,439
Speaker 3: and a week or so. We got a bunch of them,

1663
01:08:18,479 --> 01:08:22,040
Speaker 3: basically for Bellatore to eighty three and Bellatore Too eighty four.

1664
01:08:22,120 --> 01:08:24,880
Speaker 3: We'll start with Bellatore Too eighty three. I think this

1665
01:08:24,880 --> 01:08:26,679
Speaker 3: will be the first time they go to the state

1666
01:08:26,720 --> 01:08:29,840
Speaker 3: of Washington. They will be in Tacoma. This will be

1667
01:08:29,880 --> 01:08:34,240
Speaker 3: on July twenty second at the Emerald Queen Casino and Hotel.

1668
01:08:34,720 --> 01:08:37,799
Speaker 3: Here is what they have announced for that card. Patricky Pitbull,

1669
01:08:37,800 --> 01:08:39,439
Speaker 3: this will be the one to fifty five champion, the

1670
01:08:39,439 --> 01:08:42,560
Speaker 3: older brother of Patricio takes on Sydney Outlaw.

1671
01:08:43,120 --> 01:08:43,639
Speaker 2: Fine fight.

1672
01:08:43,720 --> 01:08:45,880
Speaker 3: I don't have a ton of lover hate fort sind

1673
01:08:45,880 --> 01:08:48,320
Speaker 3: the Outlaw is actually a pretty good fighter. Patricky is obviously,

1674
01:08:48,400 --> 01:08:52,080
Speaker 3: you know, a great for excitement and a good fighter.

1675
01:08:52,160 --> 01:08:53,519
Speaker 3: I think it's not fair to compare him to his

1676
01:08:53,560 --> 01:08:55,240
Speaker 3: brother for a lot of reasons, but okay, he is

1677
01:08:55,280 --> 01:08:57,720
Speaker 3: the champion, and so scrutiny is there. The one that

1678
01:08:57,760 --> 01:08:59,680
Speaker 3: I actually really wanted to start with was not even

1679
01:08:59,800 --> 01:09:02,200
Speaker 3: us nimbera Maydov taken on Chris Gonzales. I think Usman

1680
01:09:02,240 --> 01:09:07,519
Speaker 3: Nimbergamdov has a title future in his uh and his inevitable.

1681
01:09:07,520 --> 01:09:09,880
Speaker 3: It's inevitable for him. This is the one that I

1682
01:09:09,880 --> 01:09:14,160
Speaker 3: wanted to talk about. Douglas Lima taken on Jason Jackson. Now,

1683
01:09:14,200 --> 01:09:17,240
Speaker 3: Douglas Lima has been on a rough run. Former Belatour

1684
01:09:17,479 --> 01:09:20,200
Speaker 3: Walter Waight champion, had some tough fights again, tried to

1685
01:09:20,200 --> 01:09:22,720
Speaker 3: go up and beat Musas, didn't work, but then went

1686
01:09:22,760 --> 01:09:25,080
Speaker 3: back to Walter Waite and that hasn't worked either. He's

1687
01:09:25,080 --> 01:09:26,960
Speaker 3: a little bit long in the tooth and Jason Jackson.

1688
01:09:27,320 --> 01:09:30,320
Speaker 3: I think this is the ass kicking machine. Rashad Evans

1689
01:09:30,360 --> 01:09:33,720
Speaker 3: has been chirping in our ear forever, Aaron about this guy.

1690
01:09:33,880 --> 01:09:36,800
Speaker 3: He's been on tremendous win streak. Dude, this is a

1691
01:09:37,080 --> 01:09:37,599
Speaker 3: I don't know.

1692
01:09:37,640 --> 01:09:40,160
Speaker 2: This is a crossroads fight for Douglas Lima if ever

1693
01:09:40,200 --> 01:09:40,880
Speaker 2: there was one.

1694
01:09:41,920 --> 01:09:43,160
Speaker 5: Yeah, perfect matchup for him.

1695
01:09:43,200 --> 01:09:46,479
Speaker 4: And you know, Jackson's an ultimate fighter alum, but he

1696
01:09:46,520 --> 01:09:48,920
Speaker 4: looks like a really He's been doing great work in

1697
01:09:49,000 --> 01:09:51,799
Speaker 4: Delatour and I think that if he's able to wrestle

1698
01:09:52,360 --> 01:09:55,880
Speaker 4: like he always does against Diego, against Douglas Lima, rather,

1699
01:09:56,200 --> 01:09:58,400
Speaker 4: this is gonna be a tough matchup for Lima because

1700
01:09:58,479 --> 01:10:00,439
Speaker 4: he could find himself on his back for three rounds.

1701
01:10:00,439 --> 01:10:02,479
Speaker 4: And that's what the ass kicking machine tends to do,

1702
01:10:02,600 --> 01:10:04,400
Speaker 4: is he tends to put you on your back and

1703
01:10:04,439 --> 01:10:06,920
Speaker 4: make your life miserable, and he could very well do

1704
01:10:06,920 --> 01:10:08,240
Speaker 4: that to Lima. But I think this is a perfect

1705
01:10:08,280 --> 01:10:09,960
Speaker 4: litmus test for Lima to see where he's at in

1706
01:10:09,960 --> 01:10:12,719
Speaker 4: his career because he should be able to beat a guy.

1707
01:10:12,560 --> 01:10:15,160
Speaker 5: Like Jason Jackson. If we're looking at the old Diego.

1708
01:10:15,520 --> 01:10:18,519
Speaker 4: Sorry again, I keep saying Diego his brother, Douglas league Lima.

1709
01:10:18,560 --> 01:10:20,479
Speaker 4: If we keep looking at what he was able to

1710
01:10:20,479 --> 01:10:22,240
Speaker 4: do as the champion, he was able to beat these

1711
01:10:22,320 --> 01:10:24,920
Speaker 4: kind of fighters time in and time out for years

1712
01:10:24,920 --> 01:10:27,160
Speaker 4: and years and years. If he's not able to win

1713
01:10:27,200 --> 01:10:29,960
Speaker 4: this fight against Jason Jackson, and that's not a disrespect

1714
01:10:29,960 --> 01:10:32,800
Speaker 4: to Jason Jackson. He's an excellent fighter, and that's why

1715
01:10:32,840 --> 01:10:34,679
Speaker 4: I think this is a great litmus test for Lima.

1716
01:10:35,200 --> 01:10:37,400
Speaker 4: But if he loses this fight, I just think that

1717
01:10:37,439 --> 01:10:41,040
Speaker 4: the best days of Douglas Lima are probably definitively behind him.

1718
01:10:41,400 --> 01:10:43,559
Speaker 2: Yeah, I would agree with that. So here was a

1719
01:10:43,600 --> 01:10:44,439
Speaker 2: great run that he had.

1720
01:10:44,479 --> 01:10:46,080
Speaker 3: He lost to Rory McDonald all the way back in

1721
01:10:46,120 --> 01:10:48,439
Speaker 3: twenty eighteen, but then this is talking about Lima. Then

1722
01:10:48,439 --> 01:10:51,240
Speaker 3: he rebounds against Khorshkov, beats him by yunick ad choke,

1723
01:10:51,520 --> 01:10:54,800
Speaker 3: Then he beat Venom Page with that insane one punch

1724
01:10:54,880 --> 01:10:57,880
Speaker 3: knockout he basically had, and then he rebounded and beat

1725
01:10:57,960 --> 01:11:00,559
Speaker 3: Rory McDonald back in twenty nineteen. Now again it was

1726
01:11:00,560 --> 01:11:02,720
Speaker 3: at the very best. Worry McDonald doesn't matter because that's

1727
01:11:02,720 --> 01:11:03,920
Speaker 3: who they put in front of him, and he did

1728
01:11:03,920 --> 01:11:06,400
Speaker 3: the job. But since then it's just not been the same.

1729
01:11:06,400 --> 01:11:08,280
Speaker 3: He loses to Musas, which, okay, you know you want

1730
01:11:08,360 --> 01:11:10,760
Speaker 3: up a weight class, that's Musase. Fine, But then he

1731
01:11:10,800 --> 01:11:13,600
Speaker 3: goes back down to welterweight and lost to Yarslov Amasov,

1732
01:11:13,840 --> 01:11:16,320
Speaker 3: who is, yes, very good, but we're talking about championship

1733
01:11:16,360 --> 01:11:18,600
Speaker 3: level fighters at Waltz. Wait, so that's the problem. And

1734
01:11:18,640 --> 01:11:20,320
Speaker 3: then he lost to Michael Page in the rematch and

1735
01:11:20,360 --> 01:11:24,200
Speaker 3: he looked kind of listless. By contrast, Jason Jackson has

1736
01:11:24,240 --> 01:11:28,040
Speaker 3: beaten Keichi Kunimoto, okay, fine, Jordan me and fellow Canadian

1737
01:11:28,040 --> 01:11:30,479
Speaker 3: of yours up there. Then he beat Benson Henderson, then

1738
01:11:30,520 --> 01:11:33,000
Speaker 3: he beat Iman Gracie, and then he beat Paul Day.

1739
01:11:33,479 --> 01:11:35,639
Speaker 3: That's a nice run that he's been on. I agree

1740
01:11:35,640 --> 01:11:37,679
Speaker 3: with you if it's not that Jason Jackson is some scrub,

1741
01:11:37,760 --> 01:11:40,040
Speaker 3: far from it. But we're talking about Douglas Lima, the

1742
01:11:40,080 --> 01:11:43,320
Speaker 3: guy who is arguably the best waltzweight that maybe Beltor's

1743
01:11:43,320 --> 01:11:46,200
Speaker 3: ever had, certainly one of the more decorated champions. If

1744
01:11:46,240 --> 01:11:48,360
Speaker 3: he can't be Jason Jackson at this stage in his career,

1745
01:11:48,360 --> 01:11:51,360
Speaker 3: it might be curtains for him elsewhere on this card

1746
01:11:51,720 --> 01:11:55,880
Speaker 3: here Aaron Bronstetter I mentioned it. Uspan Nimberga Madeov dude,

1747
01:11:55,880 --> 01:11:59,600
Speaker 3: it seems inevitable, I mean inevitable that he's going to

1748
01:11:59,640 --> 01:12:01,639
Speaker 3: get a tip. I don't want one fifty five in Bellatore.

1749
01:12:01,680 --> 01:12:03,120
Speaker 3: How high is your confidence for him?

1750
01:12:04,120 --> 01:12:06,120
Speaker 4: Oh? I mean if you were to put him against

1751
01:12:06,120 --> 01:12:08,800
Speaker 4: Patrincky Pitbull in the main event, he'd be a three

1752
01:12:08,840 --> 01:12:09,400
Speaker 4: to one favorite.

1753
01:12:09,400 --> 01:12:09,920
Speaker 5: In my opinion.

1754
01:12:09,960 --> 01:12:12,639
Speaker 4: I just think that's how how good this this kid

1755
01:12:12,680 --> 01:12:15,439
Speaker 4: is already? And am I is that a stretch?

1756
01:12:15,479 --> 01:12:16,880
Speaker 5: Do you think? Do you think I'm giving you too

1757
01:12:16,920 --> 01:12:17,439
Speaker 5: much credit?

1758
01:12:17,680 --> 01:12:19,519
Speaker 3: But I think I think they're slow rolling him because

1759
01:12:19,520 --> 01:12:21,360
Speaker 3: they really want to work on his development and there's

1760
01:12:21,360 --> 01:12:23,320
Speaker 3: no real need to push him that fast.

1761
01:12:23,600 --> 01:12:26,599
Speaker 4: But I agree if that somehow pops. These betting lines

1762
01:12:26,600 --> 01:12:28,360
Speaker 4: are based on perception. I think the perception would be

1763
01:12:28,360 --> 01:12:30,840
Speaker 4: that he would win the title today, right, that's how

1764
01:12:30,840 --> 01:12:33,640
Speaker 4: good he is at his young age. So it's going

1765
01:12:33,720 --> 01:12:36,439
Speaker 4: to be interesting to watch them slow like slow play

1766
01:12:36,520 --> 01:12:38,519
Speaker 4: him like you said, and have him beat a lot

1767
01:12:38,520 --> 01:12:42,280
Speaker 4: of these other kind of lower tier lightweights built his name.

1768
01:12:43,000 --> 01:12:45,120
Speaker 4: But again, you have Normago Madov as your name, right,

1769
01:12:45,160 --> 01:12:47,720
Speaker 4: like you can live and die on that name no

1770
01:12:47,720 --> 01:12:49,960
Speaker 4: matter where you're fighting, no matter what promotion you're in.

1771
01:12:50,360 --> 01:12:51,160
Speaker 5: Not to mention that he is.

1772
01:12:51,240 --> 01:12:53,679
Speaker 4: I mean, we have Sayid Normaga Maidov in the UFC,

1773
01:12:54,360 --> 01:12:58,799
Speaker 4: who isn't really part of Khabib's squad so to speak.

1774
01:12:58,840 --> 01:13:00,000
Speaker 5: He trains out with Mark Henry.

1775
01:13:00,360 --> 01:13:03,400
Speaker 4: But I think that Usman Nmago Maidov being part of

1776
01:13:04,080 --> 01:13:07,240
Speaker 4: Habib's click, so to speak, that puts you in pretty

1777
01:13:08,640 --> 01:13:11,800
Speaker 4: good company when it comes to MMA Royalty, and I

1778
01:13:11,840 --> 01:13:13,200
Speaker 4: think that this is a guy that's going to win

1779
01:13:13,240 --> 01:13:16,880
Speaker 4: the championship, probably sooner rather than later. Once he gets

1780
01:13:16,880 --> 01:13:18,320
Speaker 4: a win here, I think that's when you're going to

1781
01:13:18,360 --> 01:13:20,679
Speaker 4: start see him start to face the sharks of that division.

1782
01:13:20,720 --> 01:13:23,799
Speaker 4: But Sidney the outlaw get the title shot, that's probably,

1783
01:13:24,000 --> 01:13:26,080
Speaker 4: I mean, he's ranked number one, next guy in line.

1784
01:13:26,280 --> 01:13:27,080
Speaker 5: I understand it.

1785
01:13:27,600 --> 01:13:29,960
Speaker 3: No, it's a good fight. There's absolutely nothing wrong with it.

1786
01:13:29,960 --> 01:13:32,760
Speaker 3: It's just hard to pay close attention to it with

1787
01:13:32,800 --> 01:13:35,840
Speaker 3: what Nimergamedov is doing on the side there. Sorry, people

1788
01:13:35,960 --> 01:13:37,479
Speaker 3: just love calling me right in the middle of the show.

1789
01:13:37,560 --> 01:13:40,200
Speaker 3: Kind It drives me nuts. What I was gonna say

1790
01:13:40,240 --> 01:13:41,680
Speaker 3: was you could see from kind of the pictures here

1791
01:13:41,680 --> 01:13:43,800
Speaker 3: what sets Nimberga made off Usman Nimberga made of a

1792
01:13:43,840 --> 01:13:46,360
Speaker 3: part is that he can strike his ass off, and

1793
01:13:46,479 --> 01:13:49,320
Speaker 3: he can wrestle, and he's got submissions, and he's got

1794
01:13:49,320 --> 01:13:51,640
Speaker 3: a great corner, and he's got good cardio and he

1795
01:13:51,680 --> 01:13:54,439
Speaker 3: doesn't take a lot of damage. That guy has got

1796
01:13:55,160 --> 01:13:58,759
Speaker 3: a title winning future written all over him. So another

1797
01:13:58,800 --> 01:14:02,240
Speaker 3: step for him along that Beltour two eighty four Aaron

1798
01:14:02,280 --> 01:14:04,479
Speaker 3: Brons that will take place August twelfth. This will be

1799
01:14:04,560 --> 01:14:08,160
Speaker 3: and Sooust Fall South Dakota at Sandford Pentagon as the

1800
01:14:08,240 --> 01:14:11,320
Speaker 3: venue on that card. Nieman Gracie, who I think has

1801
01:14:11,400 --> 01:14:14,840
Speaker 3: really really elevated himself but found himself just below that

1802
01:14:14,880 --> 01:14:17,680
Speaker 3: beltore championship level. He gives those guys tough fights, but

1803
01:14:18,080 --> 01:14:21,040
Speaker 3: just a step behind taking on Guici Yamuchi, who is

1804
01:14:21,160 --> 01:14:25,679
Speaker 3: something smooky on Twitter brought this up once. He's something

1805
01:14:25,720 --> 01:14:29,920
Speaker 3: equivalent to He's like Bellatore's equivalent of Charles Olivera. Now

1806
01:14:29,920 --> 01:14:32,960
Speaker 3: that's not quite true because Charles Olivera has obviously done

1807
01:14:33,000 --> 01:14:35,360
Speaker 3: really special things in ways that Yamuchi has not. But

1808
01:14:35,600 --> 01:14:38,160
Speaker 3: here would be the sort of key insight. Yamuchi is

1809
01:14:38,240 --> 01:14:41,000
Speaker 3: a devastating threat. Off of his back, he can wrestle

1810
01:14:41,000 --> 01:14:42,960
Speaker 3: a little bit. He's actually a pretty good striker as well.

1811
01:14:43,280 --> 01:14:46,680
Speaker 3: Moving up to welterweight to take on Niemen Gracie. Do

1812
01:14:46,680 --> 01:14:48,320
Speaker 3: you like this fight at all. It's a strange one

1813
01:14:48,360 --> 01:14:51,000
Speaker 3: because both guys are actually great on the floor and

1814
01:14:51,080 --> 01:14:53,080
Speaker 3: have improved their stand up. It might just be a

1815
01:14:53,120 --> 01:14:54,439
Speaker 3: kickboxing affair the whole time.

1816
01:14:55,160 --> 01:14:55,360
Speaker 5: Yeah.

1817
01:14:55,360 --> 01:14:57,759
Speaker 4: I was very surprised by this matchmaking, to be honest,

1818
01:14:57,760 --> 01:15:00,240
Speaker 4: and when I saw that was the headliner, I was

1819
01:15:00,439 --> 01:15:03,160
Speaker 4: wondering where they came at this one from, because, like

1820
01:15:03,200 --> 01:15:05,040
Speaker 4: you mentioned, Yamouchi, to me is probably one of my

1821
01:15:05,080 --> 01:15:07,479
Speaker 4: top five favorite to watch in bellatore. He just he's

1822
01:15:07,479 --> 01:15:09,280
Speaker 4: always putting on fun fights and doing a lot of

1823
01:15:09,320 --> 01:15:12,080
Speaker 4: wacky stuff that is able to find him victories. Similar

1824
01:15:12,120 --> 01:15:15,280
Speaker 4: to Charles Oliver. I wouldn't put him quite in that stratosphere.

1825
01:15:15,280 --> 01:15:17,920
Speaker 4: But and he's fount at one forty five as well,

1826
01:15:17,960 --> 01:15:19,040
Speaker 4: so to move all the way up to one to

1827
01:15:19,080 --> 01:15:21,280
Speaker 4: seventy is very interesting to me. I think that Gracie's

1828
01:15:21,280 --> 01:15:23,120
Speaker 4: gonna have a big size advantage. I think if it

1829
01:15:23,120 --> 01:15:25,200
Speaker 4: does get into grapping exchanges, I think the strength of

1830
01:15:25,240 --> 01:15:27,720
Speaker 4: Gracie is going to be something that he's going to

1831
01:15:27,760 --> 01:15:30,240
Speaker 4: have to his advantage. And I think even on the feet,

1832
01:15:30,920 --> 01:15:32,880
Speaker 4: that's probably where Yamauchi will have his best chance to

1833
01:15:32,880 --> 01:15:34,439
Speaker 4: win a decision. I don't think he's gonna be able

1834
01:15:34,439 --> 01:15:37,559
Speaker 4: to find a finish against Gracie there, but this is

1835
01:15:37,560 --> 01:15:39,960
Speaker 4: going to be a very intriguing matchup. For that reason

1836
01:15:40,040 --> 01:15:41,680
Speaker 4: is I don't really know how it plays out, but

1837
01:15:41,720 --> 01:15:43,519
Speaker 4: I do think that if it does get into grappling exchanges,

1838
01:15:43,520 --> 01:15:45,320
Speaker 4: that Gracy's just gonna have a lot more strength and

1839
01:15:45,360 --> 01:15:46,840
Speaker 4: that's gonna be a big advantage for him.

1840
01:15:48,200 --> 01:15:49,800
Speaker 3: Ooh, that's a fair point. I think he is a

1841
01:15:49,840 --> 01:15:51,960
Speaker 3: more natural one seventy or now, to be clear, just

1842
01:15:51,960 --> 01:15:55,880
Speaker 3: for clarifications, sake Yamuuchi did move up at Belatore two

1843
01:15:55,960 --> 01:15:58,280
Speaker 3: seventy nine, sort of a test case run for Walter Wait.

1844
01:15:58,320 --> 01:15:59,320
Speaker 2: It was his Walterway.

1845
01:15:59,000 --> 01:16:02,240
Speaker 3: Debut when he took on Levon Chokelly, which he arm

1846
01:16:02,280 --> 01:16:05,639
Speaker 3: barred inside the first round, which is what Yamauchi does.

1847
01:16:05,680 --> 01:16:08,680
Speaker 3: But to go from that to Nieman Gracie is one

1848
01:16:08,840 --> 01:16:10,519
Speaker 3: hell of a jump up, so that should be kind

1849
01:16:10,520 --> 01:16:13,280
Speaker 3: of interesting. Also on this card, it's worth noting as

1850
01:16:13,320 --> 01:16:16,799
Speaker 3: well Valentine Muldowsky at heavyweight, we'll take on Steve Mawory.

1851
01:16:16,880 --> 01:16:19,240
Speaker 3: Elaema Ala McFarlane is back in this contest and I

1852
01:16:19,240 --> 01:16:22,360
Speaker 3: gotta say, her last couple of fights, but certainly the

1853
01:16:22,439 --> 01:16:24,680
Speaker 3: last one has left me wanting a little bit. She

1854
01:16:24,720 --> 01:16:27,400
Speaker 3: lost to Juliana Velaskeez, which was fine because Velaskeez took

1855
01:16:27,439 --> 01:16:29,320
Speaker 3: the belt from her. It was a tough contest to

1856
01:16:29,320 --> 01:16:31,400
Speaker 3: do what she had to do. But then she lost

1857
01:16:31,400 --> 01:16:34,000
Speaker 3: to Justine Kish after a long layoff. Now she lost

1858
01:16:34,040 --> 01:16:36,840
Speaker 3: in December of twenty twenty to Velasquez, and then she

1859
01:16:37,000 --> 01:16:39,760
Speaker 3: lost in April of twenty twenty two, so there's a

1860
01:16:39,760 --> 01:16:41,600
Speaker 3: bit of a layoff there. Fair enough, she might have

1861
01:16:41,600 --> 01:16:45,320
Speaker 3: had a lot of ring rust, but Geez, like Justine

1862
01:16:45,360 --> 01:16:49,040
Speaker 3: Kish is not a ground specialist McFarland is, and there

1863
01:16:49,120 --> 01:16:51,920
Speaker 3: just wasn't a lot of that. How much do you

1864
01:16:51,960 --> 01:16:55,280
Speaker 3: attribute that to ring rust or some other kind of factor?

1865
01:16:55,520 --> 01:16:57,240
Speaker 3: What did you what did you make of like the

1866
01:16:57,320 --> 01:16:59,560
Speaker 3: hype that was there and then Kish just kind of

1867
01:16:59,600 --> 01:17:00,400
Speaker 3: rolling away over it.

1868
01:17:01,360 --> 01:17:02,400
Speaker 5: Yeah, I was surprised by that.

1869
01:17:02,439 --> 01:17:04,720
Speaker 4: And I was also surprised that McFarland didn't retire after

1870
01:17:04,720 --> 01:17:06,599
Speaker 4: that VI because I know she's been talking about retirement

1871
01:17:06,640 --> 01:17:08,679
Speaker 4: for some time, but it seems like quite the opposite.

1872
01:17:08,720 --> 01:17:10,080
Speaker 4: She wants a quick turnaround, She wants to get that

1873
01:17:10,120 --> 01:17:12,240
Speaker 4: bad taste out of her mouth, which I admire. So

1874
01:17:12,360 --> 01:17:15,120
Speaker 4: I'm curious to see how she does when she is

1875
01:17:15,200 --> 01:17:18,320
Speaker 4: tasked with another opportunity to get back in the win column.

1876
01:17:18,720 --> 01:17:20,960
Speaker 4: I know she trains with Liz Carmush is the current champion,

1877
01:17:21,000 --> 01:17:23,080
Speaker 4: so I don't know how that will end up playing out.

1878
01:17:23,320 --> 01:17:25,800
Speaker 5: I mean, Liz carmusch that win.

1879
01:17:26,040 --> 01:17:28,519
Speaker 4: Thank thank goodness, the ref put Juliana Velaski's out of

1880
01:17:28,520 --> 01:17:28,960
Speaker 4: her misery.

1881
01:17:29,000 --> 01:17:31,320
Speaker 5: That was a that was quite the beating. I mean,

1882
01:17:31,320 --> 01:17:32,280
Speaker 5: I'm being facetious here.

1883
01:17:32,320 --> 01:17:34,040
Speaker 4: I hope I hope people don't write in and say

1884
01:17:34,040 --> 01:17:36,000
Speaker 4: that Aaron obviously doesn't watch Bellatore because that was a

1885
01:17:36,000 --> 01:17:39,000
Speaker 4: weird stoppage. But uh yeah, I'm e going to see

1886
01:17:39,000 --> 01:17:40,559
Speaker 4: what McFarland does from here, because I don't know if

1887
01:17:40,560 --> 01:17:42,320
Speaker 4: her and krmush are ever going to really face each other.

1888
01:17:42,360 --> 01:17:44,160
Speaker 4: So what what you know, what does she have to

1889
01:17:44,200 --> 01:17:47,000
Speaker 4: gain here, aside from I guess getting that bad taste

1890
01:17:47,000 --> 01:17:49,519
Speaker 4: out of her mouth from losing in Hawaii, no less

1891
01:17:49,560 --> 01:17:53,840
Speaker 4: to Justine Keish, so very interesting, uh situation with her

1892
01:17:53,840 --> 01:17:55,880
Speaker 4: getting a quick turnaround. I'm surprised by that. And I

1893
01:17:55,920 --> 01:17:58,760
Speaker 4: think that the Moldovsky and and Tall Steve fight is

1894
01:17:58,800 --> 01:18:00,479
Speaker 4: a great heavyweight fight, and I'm I want to see

1895
01:18:00,479 --> 01:18:03,840
Speaker 4: how Steve Mawory does now that he's facing you know,

1896
01:18:03,880 --> 01:18:05,040
Speaker 4: a higher level of competition.

1897
01:18:06,120 --> 01:18:06,719
Speaker 2: It'll be interesting.

1898
01:18:06,800 --> 01:18:10,120
Speaker 3: Again, I've in the past, either when people had layoffs

1899
01:18:10,240 --> 01:18:13,200
Speaker 3: or injuries or age or something you can never disregard that.

1900
01:18:13,240 --> 01:18:16,839
Speaker 3: I think often an MMA, the conversation tends to booye

1901
01:18:16,840 --> 01:18:19,720
Speaker 3: fighters past that and maybe inadvisably where we don't really

1902
01:18:19,720 --> 01:18:22,160
Speaker 3: take full stock of the things that might be slowing

1903
01:18:22,160 --> 01:18:24,120
Speaker 3: them down. At the same time, when someone's had a

1904
01:18:24,160 --> 01:18:25,960
Speaker 3: layoff like that and they have a sort of a

1905
01:18:26,000 --> 01:18:28,680
Speaker 3: subpar performance relative not really to expectation, but to what

1906
01:18:28,720 --> 01:18:31,679
Speaker 3: you've seen from them previously, I do think that they're

1907
01:18:31,680 --> 01:18:35,000
Speaker 3: owed to Mulligan. But I would say a loss here

1908
01:18:35,120 --> 01:18:37,400
Speaker 3: as well, if, especially if she looks a little bit

1909
01:18:37,439 --> 01:18:39,519
Speaker 3: listless in it, that would be a bad sign. On

1910
01:18:39,520 --> 01:18:40,960
Speaker 3: the other hand, she comes back and just you know,

1911
01:18:40,960 --> 01:18:44,800
Speaker 3: beats the breaks off Bruno Allen, then you know, I'm

1912
01:18:44,840 --> 01:18:46,680
Speaker 3: willing to say that the Kish fight may have been

1913
01:18:46,720 --> 01:18:52,439
Speaker 3: something of an aberration. That's all. Okay, your favorite topic,

1914
01:18:52,560 --> 01:18:55,920
Speaker 3: my favorite topic, BC's favorite topic. Let's do a very

1915
01:18:56,000 --> 01:18:59,200
Speaker 3: quick boxing roundup if we can. Aaron Brown said, we

1916
01:18:59,240 --> 01:19:00,599
Speaker 3: don't have to spend a ton of time on it.

1917
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Speaker 3: This was reported by Matt Copperjer at ESPN. We haven't

1918
01:19:03,880 --> 01:19:06,080
Speaker 3: had it independently confirmed, but it is sort of getting

1919
01:19:06,120 --> 01:19:09,559
Speaker 3: out there that Alexander Usik, who was the guy who's

1920
01:19:09,600 --> 01:19:12,879
Speaker 3: done the Cruiserweight King and of course had beaten Anthony

1921
01:19:12,920 --> 01:19:15,360
Speaker 3: Joshua and it was a huge upset for some people,

1922
01:19:15,400 --> 01:19:17,000
Speaker 3: although not for folks who paid a lot of attention.

1923
01:19:17,400 --> 01:19:20,280
Speaker 3: He will have a rematch with Anthony Johnson set for Jedda,

1924
01:19:20,360 --> 01:19:24,160
Speaker 3: Saudi Arabia on August twentieth. Did you see their first fight,

1925
01:19:24,240 --> 01:19:27,480
Speaker 3: Aaron Bronstetter, how excited are you for the rematch?

1926
01:19:28,439 --> 01:19:30,240
Speaker 4: I did see the first fight and actually thought that

1927
01:19:30,360 --> 01:19:31,760
Speaker 4: Usik was going to win that fight. I thought that

1928
01:19:31,840 --> 01:19:34,000
Speaker 4: his boxing was just gonna be a lot sharper and crisper,

1929
01:19:34,160 --> 01:19:35,439
Speaker 4: and I think that's what's going to happen in the

1930
01:19:35,439 --> 01:19:38,360
Speaker 4: rematch too. I think that this is just a really

1931
01:19:38,360 --> 01:19:41,360
Speaker 4: bad matchup for Joshua, and I want to see how

1932
01:19:41,360 --> 01:19:42,920
Speaker 4: it goes because I think that an Usik and Tyson

1933
01:19:42,960 --> 01:19:44,640
Speaker 4: and Fury fight would be a lot of fun. I

1934
01:19:44,720 --> 01:19:46,640
Speaker 4: think that that's the heavyweight fight to make. If you

1935
01:19:46,680 --> 01:19:48,800
Speaker 4: are going to pull Fury out of retirement. If he

1936
01:19:48,840 --> 01:19:51,120
Speaker 4: is indeed retirement, it seems like a very boxing retirement,

1937
01:19:51,160 --> 01:19:53,639
Speaker 4: like it's a I'm retired until you pay me retirement.

1938
01:19:53,680 --> 01:19:55,679
Speaker 4: And he said recently on Instagram, I think he says

1939
01:19:55,680 --> 01:19:57,200
Speaker 4: he wants a half a bill for.

1940
01:19:57,240 --> 01:19:59,720
Speaker 5: His next fight. Only in boxing do you have that

1941
01:19:59,800 --> 01:20:00,439
Speaker 5: kind of leverage.

1942
01:20:00,439 --> 01:20:02,120
Speaker 4: But I think that if Usk is able to be

1943
01:20:02,200 --> 01:20:04,639
Speaker 4: Joshua again, that would be a really fun fight to make.

1944
01:20:06,000 --> 01:20:06,719
Speaker 2: I totally agree.

1945
01:20:06,720 --> 01:20:08,559
Speaker 3: And now I thought Joshua would do it just by

1946
01:20:08,680 --> 01:20:10,840
Speaker 3: virtue of the size being a little bit too much,

1947
01:20:11,280 --> 01:20:13,840
Speaker 3: But it turned out that what was We all knew

1948
01:20:13,880 --> 01:20:16,800
Speaker 3: that Usik was super crafty and probably the better pure

1949
01:20:16,840 --> 01:20:19,080
Speaker 3: boxer of the two, But what I thought was going

1950
01:20:19,120 --> 01:20:21,599
Speaker 3: to happen was that the physicality over time would weigh

1951
01:20:21,640 --> 01:20:25,200
Speaker 3: on him. But it didn't. It didn't. It never materialized.

1952
01:20:25,200 --> 01:20:29,280
Speaker 3: Now obviously, since then, Joshua has changing trainers, akin to

1953
01:20:29,320 --> 01:20:31,639
Speaker 3: something like what Fury did between the first and second

1954
01:20:31,680 --> 01:20:34,479
Speaker 3: Wilder fights. So I am curious to see what effect

1955
01:20:34,640 --> 01:20:38,120
Speaker 3: that has Usik. Of course, going back to Ukraine to

1956
01:20:38,280 --> 01:20:41,160
Speaker 3: fight for a while, who knows how much that plays

1957
01:20:41,160 --> 01:20:44,200
Speaker 3: some role in limiting any kind of improvement that he

1958
01:20:44,280 --> 01:20:48,440
Speaker 3: wanted or however that may manifest itself, But August twentieth

1959
01:20:48,560 --> 01:20:49,680
Speaker 3: is what they're headliner f for.

1960
01:20:49,720 --> 01:20:50,920
Speaker 2: I expect Usik to win, and.

1961
01:20:50,840 --> 01:20:53,240
Speaker 3: I agree I would love to see an Usik Fury fight,

1962
01:20:53,600 --> 01:20:57,080
Speaker 3: But that might be the case where if Usik has

1963
01:20:57,160 --> 01:21:01,160
Speaker 3: better boxing smarts than Joshua I, he has better boxing

1964
01:21:01,160 --> 01:21:04,760
Speaker 3: smarts than Fury, and Fury is also big, which makes

1965
01:21:04,800 --> 01:21:08,240
Speaker 3: him this fucking unicorn out there. I do favor Fury

1966
01:21:08,320 --> 01:21:09,960
Speaker 3: over Usik, do you as well?

1967
01:21:10,280 --> 01:21:11,960
Speaker 4: I would agree with that, but I just think that

1968
01:21:12,439 --> 01:21:14,400
Speaker 4: it would be from a matchup standpoint, one of the

1969
01:21:14,439 --> 01:21:17,800
Speaker 4: tougher opponents you could throw at Fury. And who knows

1970
01:21:17,840 --> 01:21:19,840
Speaker 4: how much well Fury's training right now, or if you

1971
01:21:19,920 --> 01:21:21,000
Speaker 4: even this training at all.

1972
01:21:20,920 --> 01:21:21,400
Speaker 5: Who knows.

1973
01:21:21,720 --> 01:21:23,880
Speaker 4: But I just think that that would be probably the

1974
01:21:23,880 --> 01:21:26,360
Speaker 4: best heavyweight fight you could make. Again, if Usik is

1975
01:21:26,360 --> 01:21:29,400
Speaker 4: successful against Joshua and I mean even if you could

1976
01:21:29,400 --> 01:21:31,880
Speaker 4: put Usik and Wilder together, I'm not that familiar with

1977
01:21:31,920 --> 01:21:35,240
Speaker 4: the the x's and o's of who has whose rights

1978
01:21:35,240 --> 01:21:36,680
Speaker 4: and what network they're on and all that stuff. I

1979
01:21:36,720 --> 01:21:39,320
Speaker 4: don't know if that's a complete impossibility, but that would

1980
01:21:39,320 --> 01:21:40,240
Speaker 4: be a really interesting one.

1981
01:21:40,240 --> 01:21:41,920
Speaker 5: For me as well.

1982
01:21:41,960 --> 01:21:43,960
Speaker 2: That one should be on de zone at least in

1983
01:21:43,960 --> 01:21:45,519
Speaker 2: the United States. I don't know how it would air

1984
01:21:45,600 --> 01:21:47,880
Speaker 2: in Canada because everyone's got a different.

1985
01:21:48,240 --> 01:21:50,519
Speaker 5: Can we get it here too on the zone, I believe?

1986
01:21:50,640 --> 01:21:53,080
Speaker 3: Okay, so again, but you guys have like NFL on

1987
01:21:53,160 --> 01:21:55,400
Speaker 3: the zone right, No, the NFL is.

1988
01:21:55,400 --> 01:21:57,360
Speaker 5: On TSN, the home of the NFL in Canada.

1989
01:21:57,400 --> 01:22:00,160
Speaker 3: My friend, Ah, Okay, I've been given bad information. Then

1990
01:22:00,200 --> 01:22:02,640
Speaker 3: all right, so yes, it's certainly in North America. Then

1991
01:22:02,640 --> 01:22:04,880
Speaker 3: that will air on his own. Something to keep in mind.

1992
01:22:05,600 --> 01:22:07,360
Speaker 3: We'll see how that goes and if that hold to

1993
01:22:07,400 --> 01:22:11,000
Speaker 3: that date and to that location. Of course, the rematch

1994
01:22:11,040 --> 01:22:14,760
Speaker 3: between Andy Ruiz and Anthony Joshua also took place in

1995
01:22:14,760 --> 01:22:19,000
Speaker 3: Saudi Arabia. Okay, this one I'm very curious about, and

1996
01:22:19,040 --> 01:22:20,760
Speaker 3: I'm glad that we have a Canadian on because I

1997
01:22:20,800 --> 01:22:23,000
Speaker 3: do have a couple questions about this. The biggest boxing

1998
01:22:23,040 --> 01:22:26,120
Speaker 3: fight of the weekend Archer but Terbev defending. Actually, well,

1999
01:22:26,120 --> 01:22:28,679
Speaker 3: this is going to be a unification with Joe Smith Junior.

2000
01:22:28,680 --> 01:22:32,759
Speaker 3: I'll be for the WBA, IBF and WBO light heavyweight titles.

2001
01:22:32,760 --> 01:22:35,080
Speaker 3: But Terebef currently sitting at about a minus seven fifty

2002
01:22:35,120 --> 01:22:37,800
Speaker 3: favorite Joe Smith plus five hundred. Now for folks that

2003
01:22:37,840 --> 01:22:40,599
Speaker 3: I think, oh that's crazy white odds, not so much

2004
01:22:40,640 --> 01:22:43,280
Speaker 3: in boxing. Yes, those are wide, but boxing tends to

2005
01:22:43,280 --> 01:22:45,320
Speaker 3: have much wider odds than MMA. It's a little bit

2006
01:22:45,360 --> 01:22:47,200
Speaker 3: less chaotic, so you can kind of have some sense

2007
01:22:47,240 --> 01:22:51,160
Speaker 3: about things. But Terrebev natively cheching, but moved a long

2008
01:22:51,200 --> 01:22:53,800
Speaker 3: time ago to Montreal, Canada. He is in fact a

2009
01:22:53,840 --> 01:22:57,519
Speaker 3: Canadian citizen. He is best friends with George Saint Pierre.

2010
01:22:57,600 --> 01:23:00,200
Speaker 3: They've actually done some features on this together. Let me

2011
01:23:00,200 --> 01:23:02,960
Speaker 3: ask you this first, how big of a star is

2012
01:23:03,000 --> 01:23:05,080
Speaker 3: Boterrie if? For folks who don't know anything about him,

2013
01:23:05,479 --> 01:23:09,160
Speaker 3: he is the only boxing world champion with a one

2014
01:23:09,240 --> 01:23:12,880
Speaker 3: hundred percent finishing rate. This fucker has never seen the

2015
01:23:12,920 --> 01:23:13,439
Speaker 3: score cars.

2016
01:23:13,479 --> 01:23:14,880
Speaker 5: It's the real Langa.

2017
01:23:15,920 --> 01:23:18,800
Speaker 4: Say again, he's the real Edgar Berlanga, the one that

2018
01:23:18,840 --> 01:23:20,640
Speaker 4: people should be talking about this cleaning.

2019
01:23:20,360 --> 01:23:21,519
Speaker 2: A real monster. That's right.

2020
01:23:22,960 --> 01:23:26,120
Speaker 4: Yeah, Well, he's big in terms of boxing popularity, but

2021
01:23:26,280 --> 01:23:28,320
Speaker 4: in terms of like the general Canadian I don't think

2022
01:23:28,360 --> 01:23:30,439
Speaker 4: that they're that aware of Beturviev, and I think that

2023
01:23:30,439 --> 01:23:33,599
Speaker 4: that's a real shame because he does represent this country

2024
01:23:33,600 --> 01:23:37,080
Speaker 4: now and has been doing so in spectacular fashion, and

2025
01:23:37,120 --> 01:23:39,479
Speaker 4: I think that the line in this fight. Even though

2026
01:23:39,680 --> 01:23:41,759
Speaker 4: Smith is a solid boxer and has a good resume

2027
01:23:41,800 --> 01:23:45,200
Speaker 4: in his own right, you know, he didn't get knocked

2028
01:23:45,200 --> 01:23:46,960
Speaker 4: out by Bival and I know Bivoll is more of

2029
01:23:46,960 --> 01:23:49,600
Speaker 4: a technical striker. But if Perturbev can finish him, I

2030
01:23:49,640 --> 01:23:51,479
Speaker 4: think that will speak volumes about just how good this

2031
01:23:51,520 --> 01:23:53,599
Speaker 4: guy is, you know, more than it already has been

2032
01:23:53,640 --> 01:23:54,080
Speaker 4: spoken of.

2033
01:23:54,160 --> 01:23:56,840
Speaker 5: So I'm eager to see what he.

2034
01:23:56,720 --> 01:23:58,880
Speaker 4: Brings to the table here because Baturviev, I think is

2035
01:23:59,120 --> 01:24:03,840
Speaker 4: really under the radar story among non boxing fans in

2036
01:24:03,880 --> 01:24:06,760
Speaker 4: Canada who they should really become aware of. I don't

2037
01:24:06,760 --> 01:24:09,639
Speaker 4: know if he'd be eligible for the Lou Maars Trophy.

2038
01:24:09,680 --> 01:24:13,519
Speaker 4: The Lumars Trophy is the best Canadian athlete every single

2039
01:24:13,600 --> 01:24:15,960
Speaker 4: year is awarded something called the lou Marsh Trophy. I

2040
01:24:16,000 --> 01:24:18,120
Speaker 4: don't know if he's had eligibility there, but he's somebody

2041
01:24:18,200 --> 01:24:19,400
Speaker 4: should certainly be considered.

2042
01:24:20,600 --> 01:24:24,960
Speaker 3: Who are the most Canadian okay among active fighters, boxers

2043
01:24:25,120 --> 01:24:28,000
Speaker 3: or MMA. Who would you put in like top three,

2044
01:24:28,160 --> 01:24:32,480
Speaker 3: top five current active combat sports athletes who are Canadian

2045
01:24:32,520 --> 01:24:34,320
Speaker 3: and also really popular in Canada?

2046
01:24:35,479 --> 01:24:37,040
Speaker 4: Well, I mean, yeah, that's a tough reach right now

2047
01:24:37,040 --> 01:24:38,599
Speaker 4: because we don't have a whole lot of them. I mean,

2048
01:24:38,640 --> 01:24:41,200
Speaker 4: if you look at the UFC, like the best female

2049
01:24:41,240 --> 01:24:44,479
Speaker 4: Canadian is probably Jasmine Jesse the Vicious who's fighting this weekend,

2050
01:24:44,520 --> 01:24:46,439
Speaker 4: and I'm not a lot of people know much about her,

2051
01:24:46,479 --> 01:24:48,400
Speaker 4: But we don't have a ton of big names. I

2052
01:24:48,439 --> 01:24:50,519
Speaker 4: guess Rory McDonald would still be considered a big name,

2053
01:24:50,880 --> 01:24:52,479
Speaker 4: you know, over in the PFL. And if you're talking

2054
01:24:52,520 --> 01:24:56,360
Speaker 4: about the best men's nick martial artists from Canada, like

2055
01:24:56,439 --> 01:24:57,320
Speaker 4: Rory is still.

2056
01:24:57,080 --> 01:24:59,240
Speaker 5: Probably at the peak right now.

2057
01:24:59,280 --> 01:25:00,760
Speaker 4: I mean, I think ten O Boser has made a

2058
01:25:00,760 --> 01:25:04,400
Speaker 4: good name for himself over in the heavyweight division. Mark

2059
01:25:04,439 --> 01:25:06,559
Speaker 4: Andre Barrio, I know he suffered and lost Charles jor

2060
01:25:06,600 --> 01:25:08,519
Speaker 4: Dans tons of fun to watch, and I think his

2061
01:25:08,640 --> 01:25:10,439
Speaker 4: name is going to become more and more popular as

2062
01:25:10,439 --> 01:25:12,760
Speaker 4: we go. You know, we just lost two Canadians from

2063
01:25:12,800 --> 01:25:15,760
Speaker 4: the UFC roster in Tristan Connelly and TJ. Laramie, So

2064
01:25:16,080 --> 01:25:18,040
Speaker 4: we're kind of grasping at straws right now in terms

2065
01:25:18,080 --> 01:25:21,280
Speaker 4: of finding combat sports athletes. I mean, I know Custio

2066
01:25:21,320 --> 01:25:24,479
Speaker 4: Clayton just lost as well. He was a solid Olympian

2067
01:25:24,520 --> 01:25:28,520
Speaker 4: for Canada and has been a good professional boxer since transitioning,

2068
01:25:28,920 --> 01:25:31,800
Speaker 4: but he suffered a loss recently. So we don't have

2069
01:25:32,080 --> 01:25:34,599
Speaker 4: a ton of big name talent in the combat sports

2070
01:25:34,600 --> 01:25:37,240
Speaker 4: space right now as we did have when GSP was

2071
01:25:37,560 --> 01:25:40,240
Speaker 4: in his peak, and really, MMA was such a massive

2072
01:25:40,240 --> 01:25:42,439
Speaker 4: thing here. They know what was calling Canada, you know,

2073
01:25:42,479 --> 01:25:45,320
Speaker 4: the mecca of MMA and the best fans in the sport.

2074
01:25:45,560 --> 01:25:47,600
Speaker 4: I don't know if those days are going to be

2075
01:25:47,640 --> 01:25:50,040
Speaker 4: coming back anytime soon because we just don't have a

2076
01:25:50,040 --> 01:25:51,760
Speaker 4: ton of big name prospects right now.

2077
01:25:51,880 --> 01:25:52,800
Speaker 5: But if you think of.

2078
01:25:52,720 --> 01:25:55,759
Speaker 4: The heyday, I guess ten years ago we had Bazuka

2079
01:25:55,840 --> 01:25:59,000
Speaker 4: Joe and kickboxing, we had GSP. In terms of boxing,

2080
01:25:59,000 --> 01:26:02,880
Speaker 4: we had John Pascal, and we had Donna Stevenson, who

2081
01:26:02,920 --> 01:26:04,360
Speaker 4: I believe was undefeated for a long time or at

2082
01:26:04,400 --> 01:26:05,759
Speaker 4: least on a really really long streak.

2083
01:26:06,560 --> 01:26:09,439
Speaker 5: These days not so much, dude.

2084
01:26:09,439 --> 01:26:11,760
Speaker 3: It wasn't even just that, like I remember, correct me

2085
01:26:11,760 --> 01:26:13,479
Speaker 3: if I'm wrong, I might have this wrong. NFO, I'll

2086
01:26:13,520 --> 01:26:20,120
Speaker 3: eat Crow for it. I remember Michael Bisping versus the

2087
01:26:20,240 --> 01:26:21,000
Speaker 3: Special Forces.

2088
01:26:21,000 --> 01:26:23,280
Speaker 2: Tim Kennedy. Wasn't that in Canada?

2089
01:26:23,520 --> 01:26:23,600
Speaker 5: Was?

2090
01:26:23,720 --> 01:26:25,880
Speaker 2: I think that was in French Canada. If I'm not

2091
01:26:25,960 --> 01:26:27,639
Speaker 2: even if I'm if I'm mistaken.

2092
01:26:27,680 --> 01:26:29,519
Speaker 3: It wasn't just that there was like, dude, you could

2093
01:26:29,520 --> 01:26:32,080
Speaker 3: swing a dead cat and hit a top fifteen, you

2094
01:26:32,080 --> 01:26:34,680
Speaker 3: know Canadian in the rankings. It wasn't just there was

2095
01:26:34,760 --> 01:26:37,200
Speaker 3: lots of good fighters, but the market was super hot.

2096
01:26:37,240 --> 01:26:41,120
Speaker 3: I was there when Saint Pierre fought Jake Shields in

2097
01:26:41,360 --> 01:26:43,519
Speaker 3: Toronto and it was like the biggest show ever at

2098
01:26:43,520 --> 01:26:43,720
Speaker 3: the time.

2099
01:26:43,760 --> 01:26:45,080
Speaker 2: I think it was like fifty thousand people.

2100
01:26:45,120 --> 01:26:49,439
Speaker 4: There still is in North American attendance. So again, it

2101
01:26:49,439 --> 01:26:53,520
Speaker 4: still hasn't always attended usc show in North American history.

2102
01:26:53,840 --> 01:26:57,040
Speaker 3: It was crazy and then like if you lived to

2103
01:26:57,200 --> 01:26:59,160
Speaker 3: like Saint Pierre's heyday, and even like towards the end

2104
01:26:59,200 --> 01:27:01,560
Speaker 3: of his run, there was still tons of other Canadians.

2105
01:27:01,640 --> 01:27:03,960
Speaker 3: They did tough Canada, They did all kinds of stuff

2106
01:27:04,600 --> 01:27:07,479
Speaker 3: to be where we are today, where you know, you're

2107
01:27:07,520 --> 01:27:09,160
Speaker 3: kind of like, dude, I have a lot of respect

2108
01:27:09,200 --> 01:27:10,799
Speaker 3: for Tanner Boss. I have a lot of respect especially

2109
01:27:10,840 --> 01:27:12,760
Speaker 3: Charles Jordan, who I think has real potential to do

2110
01:27:12,840 --> 01:27:15,400
Speaker 3: something kind of important. These are great fighters, don't get

2111
01:27:15,400 --> 01:27:17,400
Speaker 3: me wrong, but Saint Pierre and I granted that's a

2112
01:27:17,439 --> 01:27:19,960
Speaker 3: hard standard to hold, but The big point here is

2113
01:27:20,080 --> 01:27:21,120
Speaker 3: what Aaron.

2114
01:27:21,520 --> 01:27:23,320
Speaker 2: It's that in between space.

2115
01:27:23,320 --> 01:27:25,320
Speaker 3: There's not a whole lot of people occupying it, and

2116
01:27:25,320 --> 01:27:28,960
Speaker 3: those are pretty elevated spaces and there's hardly any shows there.

2117
01:27:29,520 --> 01:27:30,439
Speaker 3: It's a weird time.

2118
01:27:30,479 --> 01:27:30,840
Speaker 2: You can't.

2119
01:27:30,880 --> 01:27:33,839
Speaker 3: I'm telling you, if you had told me in twenty

2120
01:27:33,960 --> 01:27:37,040
Speaker 3: ten that Canada would be like this today, I would

2121
01:27:37,280 --> 01:27:39,800
Speaker 3: never ever have believed you.

2122
01:27:40,800 --> 01:27:43,439
Speaker 4: Yeah, and I agree with you because wouldn't you just

2123
01:27:43,760 --> 01:27:46,640
Speaker 4: assume that GSP in his heyday would have inspired a

2124
01:27:46,680 --> 01:27:49,720
Speaker 4: lot more young mixed martial artists to come up? So

2125
01:27:49,840 --> 01:27:51,960
Speaker 4: when is that going to happen again? Like when are

2126
01:27:51,960 --> 01:27:54,280
Speaker 4: we going to start seeing that. I do know from

2127
01:27:54,479 --> 01:27:58,120
Speaker 4: speaking with Rich Chow, who runs the program formerly known

2128
01:27:58,120 --> 01:28:01,519
Speaker 4: as Wimp to Warrior, that the enrollment in Canada has

2129
01:28:01,560 --> 01:28:04,080
Speaker 4: been really really high for people getting into the program,

2130
01:28:04,160 --> 01:28:06,519
Speaker 4: which is just a really positive sign to still see

2131
01:28:06,560 --> 01:28:10,320
Speaker 4: that that the Canadians are still passionate about the sport.

2132
01:28:10,560 --> 01:28:13,320
Speaker 5: We're just waiting for that next one. And even when

2133
01:28:13,320 --> 01:28:13,839
Speaker 5: I look.

2134
01:28:13,720 --> 01:28:16,000
Speaker 4: At the regional scene, there aren't even that many that

2135
01:28:16,040 --> 01:28:17,439
Speaker 4: are coming up where you could be like, Yeah, that's

2136
01:28:17,479 --> 01:28:19,080
Speaker 4: the guy that's the next one, or that's the girl

2137
01:28:19,120 --> 01:28:21,679
Speaker 4: that's the next one. So that's the part that really

2138
01:28:21,680 --> 01:28:23,759
Speaker 4: makes it difficult for me covering the sport is because

2139
01:28:24,720 --> 01:28:27,200
Speaker 4: I'm not seeing the talent on the regional scene that

2140
01:28:27,240 --> 01:28:29,679
Speaker 4: I'd like to see that you could point to and say, yeah,

2141
01:28:29,720 --> 01:28:31,080
Speaker 4: that person is the one that we need to keep

2142
01:28:31,080 --> 01:28:31,479
Speaker 4: an eye on.

2143
01:28:32,760 --> 01:28:34,519
Speaker 3: Well, anyway, getting back to the fight, we'll wrap it

2144
01:28:34,600 --> 01:28:38,880
Speaker 3: up here. Long story short. Better be Of a absolute

2145
01:28:38,920 --> 01:28:41,439
Speaker 3: fucking hammer. This was the guy that, like Canelo, was like, oh,

2146
01:28:41,439 --> 01:28:42,800
Speaker 3: I want to fight him, and then he loses, of

2147
01:28:42,800 --> 01:28:46,320
Speaker 3: course to Bivall, And Bivoll is probably a better pure

2148
01:28:46,400 --> 01:28:49,080
Speaker 3: boxer something a better outside boxer than Better be Of.

2149
01:28:49,200 --> 01:28:51,679
Speaker 2: Better be Of is a fucking emmer.

2150
01:28:52,120 --> 01:28:53,760
Speaker 3: You look at this dude. He looks like he is

2151
01:28:53,880 --> 01:28:56,960
Speaker 3: chiseled out of stone. He does this bit when he

2152
01:28:57,040 --> 01:28:58,439
Speaker 3: trains to work on his wrist strength.

2153
01:28:58,479 --> 01:28:59,080
Speaker 2: If you've never seen it.

2154
01:28:59,160 --> 01:29:02,200
Speaker 3: He takes a normal which is forty five pounds, which

2155
01:29:02,280 --> 01:29:04,839
Speaker 3: is not by itself so heavy, but then he'll rotate

2156
01:29:04,880 --> 01:29:06,920
Speaker 3: it over his own hand and catch it and keep

2157
01:29:06,960 --> 01:29:10,120
Speaker 3: it rotating. I cannot possibly explain to you how strong

2158
01:29:10,200 --> 01:29:12,280
Speaker 3: your wrist and arm has to be to do something

2159
01:29:12,320 --> 01:29:12,599
Speaker 3: like that.

2160
01:29:12,600 --> 01:29:13,799
Speaker 2: That is fucking crazy.

2161
01:29:14,400 --> 01:29:16,400
Speaker 3: And then on top of it, he's good in middle

2162
01:29:16,600 --> 01:29:18,760
Speaker 3: and right up front, he backs people up again. He

2163
01:29:18,800 --> 01:29:22,760
Speaker 3: has a one hundred percent finishing rate. Here's the one

2164
01:29:22,880 --> 01:29:26,360
Speaker 3: catch everyone needs to pay attention to. Joe Smith Junior

2165
01:29:26,640 --> 01:29:30,320
Speaker 3: can crack two, especially at long range. So the real

2166
01:29:30,400 --> 01:29:32,000
Speaker 3: key here for me, Aaron, if you want to add

2167
01:29:32,000 --> 01:29:33,760
Speaker 3: anything on top, the real key here for me is

2168
01:29:34,000 --> 01:29:36,759
Speaker 3: if Smith has any hope of winning. Yes, Better BF

2169
01:29:36,760 --> 01:29:39,559
Speaker 3: does get hit a lot, and he has been dropped before,

2170
01:29:40,040 --> 01:29:43,519
Speaker 3: but he finishes everybody off. He has dynamite power. I

2171
01:29:43,560 --> 01:29:45,439
Speaker 3: actually think he's a little more technical. And the real

2172
01:29:45,520 --> 01:29:48,679
Speaker 3: key here is if Smith can't get him off of him,

2173
01:29:48,800 --> 01:29:50,800
Speaker 3: If Smith can't get Better be off to back up

2174
01:29:50,840 --> 01:29:53,240
Speaker 3: off of him and then back up inside the real

2175
01:29:53,360 --> 01:29:55,880
Speaker 3: estate of the ring. Hard to see how he wins.

2176
01:29:55,920 --> 01:29:58,959
Speaker 3: Good power, but that may not be enough, that's my assessment.

2177
01:29:59,720 --> 01:30:01,240
Speaker 5: Yeah, and then that sounds about right to me.

2178
01:30:01,280 --> 01:30:03,679
Speaker 4: And I mean, like you mentioned those exercises with the barball,

2179
01:30:03,760 --> 01:30:05,479
Speaker 4: I did a couple reps before the show. It really

2180
01:30:05,680 --> 01:30:08,439
Speaker 4: it is very difficult.

2181
01:30:08,000 --> 01:30:09,400
Speaker 2: I bet you did.

2182
01:30:09,479 --> 01:30:11,600
Speaker 3: He man, All right, let's do a little segment we

2183
01:30:11,680 --> 01:30:13,840
Speaker 3: like to do here called buy or Sell. We'll throw

2184
01:30:13,840 --> 01:30:16,519
Speaker 3: it a couple of headlines in the combat sports space space.

2185
01:30:16,520 --> 01:30:17,439
Speaker 2: Excuse me, and.

2186
01:30:17,400 --> 01:30:20,000
Speaker 3: We're gonna ask brian Us Brian Jesus, We're gonna ask

2187
01:30:20,040 --> 01:30:23,080
Speaker 3: Aaron bronstead Ter if he's buying it or if he's

2188
01:30:23,160 --> 01:30:23,559
Speaker 3: selling it.

2189
01:30:23,560 --> 01:30:25,160
Speaker 2: I don't know if we have any graphics for it. Oh,

2190
01:30:25,160 --> 01:30:27,080
Speaker 2: there we do. We got some graphics for it.

2191
01:30:27,120 --> 01:30:31,320
Speaker 3: All right, okay, Aerin, let's go to this first. Zabeat

2192
01:30:31,360 --> 01:30:33,440
Speaker 3: Maga meed Cherapov retires.

2193
01:30:33,479 --> 01:30:34,200
Speaker 2: Can you believe it?

2194
01:30:34,200 --> 01:30:36,519
Speaker 3: He makes it official, takes himself out of the use,

2195
01:30:36,520 --> 01:30:38,679
Speaker 3: out of testing pool, officially tells the UFC he wants

2196
01:30:38,720 --> 01:30:41,280
Speaker 3: to retire. We'll talk about some of the more bigger

2197
01:30:41,280 --> 01:30:43,200
Speaker 3: implications in a second, but the question for you is this,

2198
01:30:43,360 --> 01:30:47,360
Speaker 3: are you buying or selling that? Zabeat will go down

2199
01:30:47,439 --> 01:30:50,559
Speaker 3: as the biggest what if in MMA history.

2200
01:30:51,520 --> 01:30:52,320
Speaker 5: I'm gonna buy that.

2201
01:30:52,640 --> 01:30:55,160
Speaker 4: And I was thinking of some other options earlier today

2202
01:30:55,720 --> 01:30:57,840
Speaker 4: when I was giving this some thought, and the ones

2203
01:30:57,840 --> 01:31:00,880
Speaker 4: that came to mind were, well one, Tatiana Suarez, but

2204
01:31:00,920 --> 01:31:02,160
Speaker 4: we hadn't really shut the door on that yet.

2205
01:31:02,200 --> 01:31:03,720
Speaker 5: She's still only thirty one years old.

2206
01:31:03,760 --> 01:31:05,920
Speaker 4: But if you remember the absolute beating she put on

2207
01:31:05,960 --> 01:31:09,160
Speaker 4: the current Strawway champion, I mean, if she was healthy

2208
01:31:09,600 --> 01:31:11,880
Speaker 4: throughout her career. We're talking about perhaps the female Goat.

2209
01:31:11,920 --> 01:31:14,800
Speaker 4: I mean, she's that good. Another one was TJ.

2210
01:31:14,920 --> 01:31:15,240
Speaker 5: Grant.

2211
01:31:15,560 --> 01:31:17,040
Speaker 4: I remember at the time he was supposed to be

2212
01:31:17,080 --> 01:31:20,519
Speaker 4: facing Benson Henderson in Milwaukee and ticket sales were lagging

2213
01:31:20,880 --> 01:31:23,639
Speaker 4: and they ended up he ended up getting hurt in training.

2214
01:31:23,680 --> 01:31:25,840
Speaker 4: They put pedistin and there was this big conspiracy theory

2215
01:31:25,840 --> 01:31:28,600
Speaker 4: going around the sport that they paid TJ. Grant to

2216
01:31:28,600 --> 01:31:30,639
Speaker 4: step aside so that they could have the hometown kid

2217
01:31:30,800 --> 01:31:32,679
Speaker 4: sell tickets in Wisconsin, and we just never saw TJ.

2218
01:31:32,720 --> 01:31:34,240
Speaker 5: Grant again because it was a legitimate injury.

2219
01:31:34,640 --> 01:31:37,679
Speaker 4: The other one is Chris Holdsworth, who was just smashing

2220
01:31:37,680 --> 01:31:40,760
Speaker 4: people on The Ultimate Fighter Undefeated, got a concussion in

2221
01:31:40,800 --> 01:31:42,559
Speaker 4: training and we haven't seen him again. In fact, I

2222
01:31:42,560 --> 01:31:44,920
Speaker 4: think just last year he pulled out at the Yusawta Pool.

2223
01:31:46,040 --> 01:31:47,639
Speaker 4: I would have loved to see what that kid could

2224
01:31:47,640 --> 01:31:50,240
Speaker 4: have done if he had been given a full career.

2225
01:31:50,560 --> 01:31:53,519
Speaker 4: But if you compare those to Za Beat, I'm going

2226
01:31:53,560 --> 01:31:55,320
Speaker 4: to buys the Beat as the biggest what if because

2227
01:31:55,680 --> 01:31:58,120
Speaker 4: in the division that needed more contenders, he could have

2228
01:31:58,160 --> 01:32:01,000
Speaker 4: been one and we never got to see it. Unfortunately,

2229
01:32:01,280 --> 01:32:03,120
Speaker 4: he wants to become a doctor now, so good on him.

2230
01:32:03,479 --> 01:32:04,920
Speaker 4: I think one of the reasons I think I'd read

2231
01:32:04,960 --> 01:32:08,280
Speaker 4: I think Ariel Hajwani wrote this was that one of

2232
01:32:08,280 --> 01:32:11,479
Speaker 4: the things was that Zabeat couldn't find himself having the

2233
01:32:11,560 --> 01:32:14,040
Speaker 4: desire to hurt people anymore, right, and when that goes away,

2234
01:32:14,080 --> 01:32:15,800
Speaker 4: I mean, you're putting yourself in a dangerous position in

2235
01:32:15,800 --> 01:32:17,880
Speaker 4: this sport, no.

2236
01:32:17,720 --> 01:32:18,200
Speaker 2: Doubt about it.

2237
01:32:18,280 --> 01:32:21,479
Speaker 3: If some of this has to be bloodlust, and if

2238
01:32:21,520 --> 01:32:23,360
Speaker 3: you don't have it, it's probably a good time to

2239
01:32:23,360 --> 01:32:25,720
Speaker 3: bow out. There's a couple other names I would throw

2240
01:32:25,720 --> 01:32:28,040
Speaker 3: in there, not like the casual fans would know or

2241
01:32:28,080 --> 01:32:30,400
Speaker 3: care or that it would change the answer about what if.

2242
01:32:30,840 --> 01:32:33,160
Speaker 3: But there was like a series of gold medalists that

2243
01:32:33,240 --> 01:32:35,960
Speaker 3: pride just burned through. They would get him from the

2244
01:32:36,040 --> 01:32:38,479
Speaker 3: Olympics and then just give him like the worst possible

2245
01:32:38,479 --> 01:32:40,920
Speaker 3: matchup in their MMA debut. Or there was a couple

2246
01:32:41,000 --> 01:32:42,640
Speaker 3: of like nc that, like Mark Ellis, there were some

2247
01:32:42,720 --> 01:32:45,519
Speaker 3: NCAA Division one national champions that just kind of had

2248
01:32:45,520 --> 01:32:48,000
Speaker 3: a rough run early and then just bowed out. That's

2249
01:32:48,000 --> 01:32:49,800
Speaker 3: not the same as what Zubait did, who really, as

2250
01:32:49,920 --> 01:32:51,840
Speaker 3: we talked about earlier, beat Calvin Cater and has done

2251
01:32:51,880 --> 01:32:53,160
Speaker 3: some pretty impressive things, so.

2252
01:32:53,120 --> 01:32:54,839
Speaker 2: He actually might be the biggest.

2253
01:32:54,840 --> 01:32:57,760
Speaker 3: What if I will say, if Tatiano Suarez doesn't come back,

2254
01:32:57,840 --> 01:33:00,600
Speaker 3: I might put her ahead by verse of what she

2255
01:33:00,680 --> 01:33:03,719
Speaker 3: had done against now what we know to be known champions.

2256
01:33:04,160 --> 01:33:06,840
Speaker 3: But if it's not her, it might be as a beat.

2257
01:33:07,120 --> 01:33:07,479
Speaker 2: All Right.

2258
01:33:09,120 --> 01:33:13,760
Speaker 3: Greg Hardy yay has ink the deal with BKFC, which

2259
01:33:13,840 --> 01:33:17,240
Speaker 3: probably is a better fighting style. It's again what a

2260
01:33:17,280 --> 01:33:21,200
Speaker 3: shock yeh. Who will say this? I will say this.

2261
01:33:21,280 --> 01:33:24,080
Speaker 3: They have shorter rounds, they have a small fighting surface.

2262
01:33:24,439 --> 01:33:27,559
Speaker 3: He is athletic, he is heavy handed. When he's not

2263
01:33:27,760 --> 01:33:30,280
Speaker 3: gassed completely, he can strike pretty well. I will give

2264
01:33:30,520 --> 01:33:33,280
Speaker 3: so I'll say that for him, BKFC is probably better

2265
01:33:33,280 --> 01:33:36,040
Speaker 3: for him than MMA. But here's the question for you. Well,

2266
01:33:36,040 --> 01:33:38,639
Speaker 3: actually I kind of set it up buy or sell.

2267
01:33:39,200 --> 01:33:45,040
Speaker 3: Is BKFC is the very best landing spot for Greg

2268
01:33:45,040 --> 01:33:46,679
Speaker 3: Hardy at this stage in his career.

2269
01:33:48,320 --> 01:33:50,639
Speaker 4: I'm gonna buy because they have money and I think

2270
01:33:50,640 --> 01:33:53,320
Speaker 4: that this is more conducive to how he fights. Now

2271
01:33:53,360 --> 01:33:55,640
Speaker 4: do they allow it Inhaler's between rounds? I don't know,

2272
01:33:55,840 --> 01:33:58,280
Speaker 4: but I think that in terms of what he can

2273
01:33:58,320 --> 01:34:02,320
Speaker 4: be doing in combats, this probably makes it the best

2274
01:34:02,360 --> 01:34:03,920
Speaker 4: landing spot for him, because I think he's gonna get

2275
01:34:03,920 --> 01:34:06,080
Speaker 4: paid the kind of money that he would get for

2276
01:34:06,160 --> 01:34:08,160
Speaker 4: being an attraction. You know, that's kind of what he

2277
01:34:08,240 --> 01:34:09,759
Speaker 4: is at this point. That's kind of why the UFC

2278
01:34:09,960 --> 01:34:12,040
Speaker 4: brought him on, and he did have some good early

2279
01:34:12,080 --> 01:34:15,080
Speaker 4: success in the UFC. But I think that this, to me,

2280
01:34:15,200 --> 01:34:17,760
Speaker 4: was like the obvious landing spot for him. BKFC don't

2281
01:34:17,760 --> 01:34:20,440
Speaker 4: seem to have much of a concern about the backgrounds

2282
01:34:20,439 --> 01:34:23,000
Speaker 4: of those that they sign. They tend to throw a

2283
01:34:23,040 --> 01:34:24,880
Speaker 4: lot of money around, and I think that Greg Hard

2284
01:34:24,960 --> 01:34:26,960
Speaker 4: is going to be an attraction for them, So to me,

2285
01:34:27,000 --> 01:34:28,439
Speaker 4: it made all the sense in the world for him

2286
01:34:28,439 --> 01:34:28,920
Speaker 4: to sign there.

2287
01:34:29,600 --> 01:34:33,559
Speaker 3: You know what's funny is I I've not looked at

2288
01:34:33,560 --> 01:34:37,760
Speaker 3: the metrics up close recently, but I wonder he certainly

2289
01:34:38,400 --> 01:34:40,960
Speaker 3: he certainly was not It's not fair to say he

2290
01:34:41,080 --> 01:34:44,040
Speaker 3: wasn't a figure of attraction, either for positive or negative reasons.

2291
01:34:44,680 --> 01:34:47,600
Speaker 2: He was. There were people interested in him for a

2292
01:34:47,680 --> 01:34:50,040
Speaker 2: variety of purposes. But I do.

2293
01:34:49,960 --> 01:34:54,160
Speaker 3: Wonder if over time the popularity, certainly the intrigue factor declined,

2294
01:34:54,800 --> 01:34:58,240
Speaker 3: right because the performances were uneven, the losses were weird,

2295
01:34:58,720 --> 01:35:02,040
Speaker 3: and again the losses being weird also kind of added

2296
01:35:02,080 --> 01:35:05,000
Speaker 3: to the car crash factor. But I have to say,

2297
01:35:05,080 --> 01:35:07,519
Speaker 3: leaving the UFC the way he did, it's not that

2298
01:35:07,560 --> 01:35:09,559
Speaker 3: I don't agree. I would buy this as well. I

2299
01:35:09,560 --> 01:35:11,760
Speaker 3: do think it's a right signing for BKFC, given the

2300
01:35:11,800 --> 01:35:15,439
Speaker 3: reality of things. But I do wonder how many people

2301
01:35:16,000 --> 01:35:18,320
Speaker 3: who have checked out on him by virtue of the

2302
01:35:18,520 --> 01:35:21,679
Speaker 3: very let's call it uneven run he had in MMA.

2303
01:35:21,800 --> 01:35:24,160
Speaker 3: Still an attractive roll, an attraction at the box office,

2304
01:35:24,520 --> 01:35:26,880
Speaker 3: but I don't think what he once was I don't

2305
01:35:26,880 --> 01:35:27,400
Speaker 3: believe that.

2306
01:35:29,280 --> 01:35:31,639
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think that that's fair to say. And how

2307
01:35:31,800 --> 01:35:34,360
Speaker 5: much is he gonna actually train for this? And put?

2308
01:35:35,240 --> 01:35:37,080
Speaker 4: I mean, I think he's guaranteed a lot of money here,

2309
01:35:37,280 --> 01:35:38,640
Speaker 4: and I think he's gonna just get in there and

2310
01:35:38,680 --> 01:35:40,439
Speaker 4: let instincts take over. Not that he's not going to

2311
01:35:40,479 --> 01:35:42,880
Speaker 4: be training, but I think that's probably how it plays.

2312
01:35:42,600 --> 01:35:45,400
Speaker 2: Out, all right, buy or sell? Now?

2313
01:35:45,479 --> 01:35:48,599
Speaker 3: Let me read the setup to you. Shavcott Rochmanov says

2314
01:35:48,680 --> 01:35:52,920
Speaker 3: Hamzat Chimayev was gifted his win over Gilbert Burns due

2315
01:35:52,960 --> 01:35:56,719
Speaker 3: to popularity. In fact, he told the Sports outlet Fanatics

2316
01:35:56,800 --> 01:35:59,880
Speaker 3: view quote, I think it was a very equal fight

2317
01:36:00,040 --> 01:36:03,000
Speaker 3: in my opinion. But Hamzat I believe got the win

2318
01:36:03,080 --> 01:36:05,759
Speaker 3: because he's more popular. Maybe that's why he was awarded

2319
01:36:05,800 --> 01:36:07,360
Speaker 3: the win. Now I'm not asking the wain in on that,

2320
01:36:07,439 --> 01:36:09,400
Speaker 3: but here is the buy or sell, buy or sell.

2321
01:36:10,360 --> 01:36:15,000
Speaker 3: Rokmanov and Hamzat will fight each other no later than

2322
01:36:15,479 --> 01:36:16,920
Speaker 3: the end of twenty twenty three.

2323
01:36:18,360 --> 01:36:19,639
Speaker 5: I'm gonna sell on that one.

2324
01:36:19,680 --> 01:36:21,240
Speaker 4: I think that there's gonna be a bigger build up

2325
01:36:21,280 --> 01:36:22,880
Speaker 4: to that one, and not to mention that a lot

2326
01:36:22,960 --> 01:36:26,000
Speaker 4: can happen between now and then. The part that I

2327
01:36:26,040 --> 01:36:28,360
Speaker 4: like is just picturing the judges being case. I'd been like, yeah,

2328
01:36:28,439 --> 01:36:31,360
Speaker 4: let's go, let's go, Homsa. We're gonna give them the decision.

2329
01:36:31,400 --> 01:36:33,800
Speaker 4: We want this guy to win. That's not really how

2330
01:36:33,840 --> 01:36:37,519
Speaker 4: things work in combat sports. But uh well, I mean

2331
01:36:37,600 --> 01:36:40,640
Speaker 4: in certain combat sports. But I think that, Yeah, I

2332
01:36:40,680 --> 01:36:44,599
Speaker 4: think that with the Shofcat and Hamzat, that there's gonna

2333
01:36:44,640 --> 01:36:46,080
Speaker 4: be a big build up to that one. I think

2334
01:36:46,080 --> 01:36:48,200
Speaker 4: twenty twenty three is a little premature. I would guess

2335
01:36:48,240 --> 01:36:51,719
Speaker 4: twenty twenty four probably, you know, I think shot Cut

2336
01:36:51,720 --> 01:36:53,400
Speaker 4: needs two or three more big wins to get into

2337
01:36:53,439 --> 01:36:55,519
Speaker 4: the title picture, whereas I think Hamza's kind of already

2338
01:36:55,560 --> 01:36:56,320
Speaker 4: in the title picture.

2339
01:36:56,800 --> 01:36:58,720
Speaker 2: Yes, no doubt, Hams on his head. I'm gonna buy

2340
01:36:58,720 --> 01:36:59,080
Speaker 2: this one.

2341
01:36:59,120 --> 01:37:01,080
Speaker 3: I'm gonna buy this one because we still have that

2342
01:37:01,080 --> 01:37:03,759
Speaker 3: would basically be eighteen months, right, because we have basically

2343
01:37:03,760 --> 01:37:05,559
Speaker 3: half the year left, a little bit less or whatever

2344
01:37:05,560 --> 01:37:07,720
Speaker 3: it is, yeah, a little bit less, and then we

2345
01:37:07,800 --> 01:37:10,960
Speaker 3: have the full year of twenty twenty three. Rochmanov has

2346
01:37:10,960 --> 01:37:13,240
Speaker 3: a fight against Neil Magni coming up, which I think

2347
01:37:13,280 --> 01:37:14,639
Speaker 3: is going to be the biggest test, and of course

2348
01:37:14,640 --> 01:37:16,320
Speaker 3: he has to pass that, and if he doesn't, then

2349
01:37:16,360 --> 01:37:18,559
Speaker 3: all of this is off. But I tend to think

2350
01:37:18,600 --> 01:37:21,360
Speaker 3: that he probably will. And I just end up thinking

2351
01:37:21,400 --> 01:37:23,920
Speaker 3: that Rochmanov will see I mean.

2352
01:37:23,840 --> 01:37:24,720
Speaker 2: I was told he was.

2353
01:37:24,760 --> 01:37:27,920
Speaker 3: He slow rolled his UFC matchmaking at first to get

2354
01:37:27,960 --> 01:37:30,639
Speaker 3: through that rookie contract basically, and he got a second one,

2355
01:37:30,680 --> 01:37:32,680
Speaker 3: and now he wants to begin climbing because I guess

2356
01:37:32,720 --> 01:37:35,599
Speaker 3: this contract's a little bit more profitable. I just see

2357
01:37:36,120 --> 01:37:39,000
Speaker 3: great potential in him and I think he's going to

2358
01:37:39,040 --> 01:37:42,479
Speaker 3: find a way up there by that time. But certainly

2359
01:37:42,479 --> 01:37:46,360
Speaker 3: we don't know, all right, Aaron Brown, setter buy or sell? Now,

2360
01:37:46,439 --> 01:37:49,840
Speaker 3: let me set this up. Charles OLIVERA wants Connor McGregor next.

2361
01:37:49,840 --> 01:37:52,719
Speaker 3: In fact, here's what he told ESPN quote. It would

2362
01:37:52,720 --> 01:37:54,439
Speaker 3: be a very good fight for me, Olivera said of

2363
01:37:54,439 --> 01:37:56,759
Speaker 3: a McGregor contest, it would put a lot of money

2364
01:37:56,760 --> 01:37:59,439
Speaker 3: in my pocket, and at this moment that's the most

2365
01:37:59,520 --> 01:38:02,519
Speaker 3: important thing. And it would also be really good for

2366
01:38:02,560 --> 01:38:04,720
Speaker 3: my legacy for me to have in my story, regardless

2367
01:38:04,760 --> 01:38:07,080
Speaker 3: if he's coming from defeat or not. He's a guy

2368
01:38:07,080 --> 01:38:09,160
Speaker 3: who has made history, so I think it would be great.

2369
01:38:09,360 --> 01:38:10,720
Speaker 3: But it's not just up to me. If it were

2370
01:38:10,760 --> 01:38:13,080
Speaker 3: up to me, the fight would already be happening. By

2371
01:38:13,360 --> 01:38:18,000
Speaker 3: or sell Aaron Bronstetter, Connor McGregor's first fight back will

2372
01:38:18,000 --> 01:38:19,240
Speaker 3: be against Charles Olivera.

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01:38:20,120 --> 01:38:23,519
Speaker 4: This is a hard sell. I think that we're gonna

2374
01:38:23,520 --> 01:38:25,759
Speaker 4: see the Islam match in.

2375
01:38:25,560 --> 01:38:26,719
Speaker 5: October and Abu Dhabi.

2376
01:38:26,760 --> 01:38:28,800
Speaker 4: I think that makes a lot more sense, and I

2377
01:38:28,840 --> 01:38:30,960
Speaker 4: think that the McGregor Chandler fight is starting to have

2378
01:38:30,960 --> 01:38:32,519
Speaker 4: a lot more legacy like that. That one makes a

2379
01:38:32,520 --> 01:38:35,639
Speaker 4: lot more sense to me from an entertainment standpoint. Now,

2380
01:38:35,680 --> 01:38:38,040
Speaker 4: the thing is, if Connor McGregor calls the UFCN says

2381
01:38:38,080 --> 01:38:40,559
Speaker 4: I'm coming back only to fight Charles Olivera, That's the

2382
01:38:40,600 --> 01:38:41,880
Speaker 4: only fight I want right now.

2383
01:38:42,400 --> 01:38:43,840
Speaker 5: Do they make that fight? Yeah? Most likely.

2384
01:38:43,840 --> 01:38:45,720
Speaker 4: I would say they most likely make that fight. But

2385
01:38:45,920 --> 01:38:47,880
Speaker 4: I think the more likely thing that he does is

2386
01:38:47,920 --> 01:38:50,400
Speaker 4: he stays at one hundred and seventy pounds and faces

2387
01:38:50,600 --> 01:38:53,880
Speaker 4: somebody who moves up from fifty five, like a Michael

2388
01:38:53,920 --> 01:38:54,880
Speaker 4: Chandler type situation.

2389
01:38:54,960 --> 01:38:56,160
Speaker 5: But we'll see how it goes.

2390
01:38:56,600 --> 01:38:59,200
Speaker 4: I think that should he ask for the fight with

2391
01:38:59,200 --> 01:39:00,840
Speaker 4: Olvera would fall to get it, But I don't think

2392
01:39:00,880 --> 01:39:02,080
Speaker 4: that that's the direction.

2393
01:39:01,840 --> 01:39:02,519
Speaker 5: They're going to go in.

2394
01:39:03,240 --> 01:39:05,400
Speaker 2: Who would you favor to win?

2395
01:39:05,600 --> 01:39:09,719
Speaker 4: Oh? Between Olivera and McGregor. Mm hmmm, Oh, I'd favor

2396
01:39:10,000 --> 01:39:12,280
Speaker 4: I've put Olivera as probably a minus three or four

2397
01:39:12,360 --> 01:39:15,600
Speaker 4: hundred favorites. I mean, listen, McGregor's got the power. But

2398
01:39:15,920 --> 01:39:18,360
Speaker 4: the game plan is already here. We saw what happened

2399
01:39:18,360 --> 01:39:20,240
Speaker 4: when Gaetgee tagged him. He just goes through his back.

2400
01:39:20,400 --> 01:39:22,560
Speaker 4: He did the exact same thing against McGregor. Would he

2401
01:39:22,640 --> 01:39:25,160
Speaker 4: not like McGregor would have to put him out out

2402
01:39:25,520 --> 01:39:28,320
Speaker 4: in order to win that fight, And what are the

2403
01:39:28,320 --> 01:39:30,280
Speaker 4: odds of him being able to do that at one

2404
01:39:30,360 --> 01:39:33,599
Speaker 4: hundred and fifty five pounds where we saw his knockout

2405
01:39:33,640 --> 01:39:34,280
Speaker 4: against Alvarez.

2406
01:39:34,320 --> 01:39:35,000
Speaker 5: It took some time.

2407
01:39:35,560 --> 01:39:37,240
Speaker 4: It's not like he was cleaning people out like he

2408
01:39:37,280 --> 01:39:39,519
Speaker 4: did at one hundred and forty five pounds of his power.

2409
01:39:39,920 --> 01:39:42,559
Speaker 4: That's really his only path of victory against the Charles Olivera.

2410
01:39:42,840 --> 01:39:44,479
Speaker 4: I do not agree that he would basically need to

2411
01:39:44,520 --> 01:39:46,040
Speaker 4: put his lights out early in the fight.

2412
01:39:47,200 --> 01:39:50,840
Speaker 2: The thing is Olivera is he is? He's not. I mean,

2413
01:39:50,880 --> 01:39:54,960
Speaker 2: obviously he's not nearly as defensively vulnerable as Oprahatchka is,

2414
01:39:55,000 --> 01:39:57,320
Speaker 2: where he takes a lot of damage, but you know,

2415
01:39:57,400 --> 01:39:59,160
Speaker 2: kind of rallies after he gets hit a little bit.

2416
01:39:59,160 --> 01:40:00,519
Speaker 2: But the fact that he did, he he got hurt

2417
01:40:00,520 --> 01:40:02,240
Speaker 2: against Chandle. I mean, he's been heard a million times.

2418
01:40:03,040 --> 01:40:05,759
Speaker 2: I wouldn't put the odds minus four hundred.

2419
01:40:05,760 --> 01:40:08,280
Speaker 3: I couldn't go with you minus three. I could maybe follow.

2420
01:40:08,680 --> 01:40:11,040
Speaker 3: I would favor oliver Yes, is the short answer. I

2421
01:40:11,120 --> 01:40:13,479
Speaker 3: might be a little bit higher on McGregor's chances. I

2422
01:40:13,520 --> 01:40:16,479
Speaker 3: will also sell it. Seems a the UFC doesn't want it.

2423
01:40:16,520 --> 01:40:18,439
Speaker 3: They'd rather have Chandler get it, or to your point,

2424
01:40:18,479 --> 01:40:21,400
Speaker 3: Islam Makachev get it or something like that, depending on

2425
01:40:21,400 --> 01:40:22,400
Speaker 3: how things play out.

2426
01:40:22,720 --> 01:40:24,080
Speaker 2: But it would.

2427
01:40:23,960 --> 01:40:26,880
Speaker 3: Be interesting it certainly would be interesting. All right, one

2428
01:40:26,880 --> 01:40:30,320
Speaker 3: more buyer sell on these This is Gilbert Burns calling

2429
01:40:30,320 --> 01:40:33,040
Speaker 3: out Jorge masvidoal for a stand up only fight. This

2430
01:40:33,080 --> 01:40:35,960
Speaker 3: is what he says, quote on the Jorgey fight, I

2431
01:40:36,000 --> 01:40:38,840
Speaker 3: can sign the contract no takedowns, Burns said, Let's just

2432
01:40:38,920 --> 01:40:39,120
Speaker 3: do it.

2433
01:40:39,160 --> 01:40:39,960
Speaker 2: I'm looking forward to it.

2434
01:40:40,000 --> 01:40:42,120
Speaker 3: I'm looking forward to putting on a show, another crazy fight,

2435
01:40:42,160 --> 01:40:44,599
Speaker 3: another crazy finish. And I do believe I can strike

2436
01:40:44,640 --> 01:40:48,120
Speaker 3: with Jorgey Masvidal buy or sell the UFC. Not that

2437
01:40:48,120 --> 01:40:51,040
Speaker 3: they would make a no takedown fight, but by our sell,

2438
01:40:51,200 --> 01:40:53,599
Speaker 3: the next fight for both of these guys is going

2439
01:40:53,640 --> 01:41:07,519
Speaker 3: to be each other. I mean, oh, we lost Aaron's audio.

2440
01:41:07,560 --> 01:41:09,120
Speaker 3: We'll come back to him just a second, all right,

2441
01:41:10,120 --> 01:41:10,720
Speaker 3: Oh he's back.

2442
01:41:10,760 --> 01:41:13,080
Speaker 2: There we go. We got Aaron, right, Yeah, I got.

2443
01:41:12,640 --> 01:41:14,240
Speaker 5: My battery warning on my camera here.

2444
01:41:14,240 --> 01:41:18,800
Speaker 4: But yeah, Ultimately, I just think that when you look

2445
01:41:18,800 --> 01:41:20,479
Speaker 4: at this particular matchup, it would have to be a

2446
01:41:20,479 --> 01:41:22,519
Speaker 4: gentleman's agreement, like they basically have to say we're not

2447
01:41:22,520 --> 01:41:26,080
Speaker 4: going to do any takedowns, and that doesn't really hold water.

2448
01:41:26,439 --> 01:41:28,280
Speaker 4: But I think in a stand up fight, that would

2449
01:41:28,280 --> 01:41:30,400
Speaker 4: be a really intriguing fight. And I think that that

2450
01:41:30,520 --> 01:41:32,000
Speaker 4: is the next matchup to make for both these guys.

2451
01:41:32,000 --> 01:41:34,280
Speaker 4: I think that Gilbert has earned a big name opponent,

2452
01:41:34,720 --> 01:41:36,920
Speaker 4: and I think that when you think big name opponent,

2453
01:41:37,080 --> 01:41:39,120
Speaker 4: Masvittal I still think has the name value. But he

2454
01:41:39,120 --> 01:41:40,760
Speaker 4: also needs to get back in the win column. He

2455
01:41:40,760 --> 01:41:43,080
Speaker 4: needs a fight against a contender at one hundred and

2456
01:41:43,080 --> 01:41:44,479
Speaker 4: seventy pounds, and I know his dream is.

2457
01:41:44,479 --> 01:41:45,800
Speaker 5: To ultimately face Uzman again.

2458
01:41:45,840 --> 01:41:48,000
Speaker 4: Both these guys want to fight Usman again, so putting

2459
01:41:48,000 --> 01:41:49,599
Speaker 4: them against each other you could certainly do worse.

2460
01:41:49,640 --> 01:41:51,080
Speaker 5: So I'm going to buy that as the next matchup.

2461
01:41:52,360 --> 01:41:54,720
Speaker 3: All right, we'll wrap this up here pretty quickly. Mike,

2462
01:41:54,720 --> 01:41:56,160
Speaker 3: you put in the chat are we doing dead wrong?

2463
01:41:56,200 --> 01:41:58,160
Speaker 3: So we should we wait for BC. But before we

2464
01:41:58,200 --> 01:42:00,519
Speaker 3: get an answer for that real quick. This is not

2465
01:42:00,560 --> 01:42:02,559
Speaker 3: a buyer sell. We'll just add this as a add

2466
01:42:02,560 --> 01:42:07,320
Speaker 3: on odds and ends. Note San Haagen, Corey Sanhagen is

2467
01:42:07,439 --> 01:42:11,560
Speaker 3: rumored targeted to be fighting Song You Dong in September.

2468
01:42:11,640 --> 01:42:15,000
Speaker 2: You're early. If you were the odds maker for that,

2469
01:42:15,520 --> 01:42:16,799
Speaker 2: how would you lay the odds?

2470
01:42:18,280 --> 01:42:20,200
Speaker 5: I'd put Sanhagen at minus one.

2471
01:42:21,520 --> 01:42:21,920
Speaker 3: Oh.

2472
01:42:22,400 --> 01:42:24,000
Speaker 2: I think I like that. Tell me why?

2473
01:42:25,280 --> 01:42:27,479
Speaker 4: I think that if you look at how that fight goes,

2474
01:42:27,920 --> 01:42:29,720
Speaker 4: he has a lot of advantages in that fight, and

2475
01:42:29,760 --> 01:42:31,680
Speaker 4: I think that the volume would be a lot for

2476
01:42:32,120 --> 01:42:34,479
Speaker 4: Song to handle. I'm not gonna make these last name

2477
01:42:34,600 --> 01:42:36,560
Speaker 4: jokes that everybody's gonna pounce on here, so I'm just

2478
01:42:36,600 --> 01:42:39,160
Speaker 4: gonna call him Song for the sake of this discussion.

2479
01:42:39,479 --> 01:42:42,320
Speaker 4: But yeah, I think that the volume would be a

2480
01:42:42,320 --> 01:42:47,360
Speaker 4: lot for Song to handle because that's what Sanhagen's really

2481
01:42:47,360 --> 01:42:48,360
Speaker 4: good at. And I think that if it goes to

2482
01:42:48,360 --> 01:42:50,040
Speaker 4: the ground and Sanahagan has an advantage there.

2483
01:42:50,120 --> 01:42:51,519
Speaker 5: The thing about Song is that.

2484
01:42:51,880 --> 01:42:54,680
Speaker 4: He's really overperformed in his recent fights, and I think

2485
01:42:54,680 --> 01:42:56,320
Speaker 4: he's getting better and better, So I think it's a

2486
01:42:56,439 --> 01:42:58,360
Speaker 4: very good matchup. I think it's a very tough matchup

2487
01:42:58,360 --> 01:42:59,760
Speaker 4: for Sanagan, but I would I would make him a

2488
01:42:59,760 --> 01:43:01,559
Speaker 4: small favored in this situation.

2489
01:43:02,560 --> 01:43:03,360
Speaker 2: I think I agree.

2490
01:43:03,400 --> 01:43:06,200
Speaker 3: The big X factor You're right is the volume, the angles,

2491
01:43:06,240 --> 01:43:08,280
Speaker 3: the movement of san Haagen, no doubt about it. He

2492
01:43:08,360 --> 01:43:10,920
Speaker 3: is tricky on the ground, as you also indicated, but

2493
01:43:11,160 --> 01:43:15,560
Speaker 3: Songy Dong has just incredible power. He is so athletic,

2494
01:43:16,080 --> 01:43:18,920
Speaker 3: and Corey Sanhagen, who I am very very high on,

2495
01:43:19,000 --> 01:43:20,599
Speaker 3: I still really believe in his potential.

2496
01:43:21,040 --> 01:43:21,960
Speaker 2: He gets hit a little bit.

2497
01:43:22,000 --> 01:43:23,400
Speaker 3: He gets hit a little bit more than I would

2498
01:43:23,400 --> 01:43:25,160
Speaker 3: actually advise, and he's had a great chin and he

2499
01:43:25,160 --> 01:43:27,320
Speaker 3: can kind of deal with it and to this point

2500
01:43:27,360 --> 01:43:29,200
Speaker 3: has not totally derailed him.

2501
01:43:29,560 --> 01:43:32,639
Speaker 2: But it could make this one interesting. And I agree.

2502
01:43:32,760 --> 01:43:34,200
Speaker 3: I had kind of written off Song of Dong as

2503
01:43:34,240 --> 01:43:36,519
Speaker 3: like an interesting, curious fighter that I don't know where

2504
01:43:36,560 --> 01:43:39,479
Speaker 3: he's gonna go, and then his last few fights he's

2505
01:43:39,520 --> 01:43:42,280
Speaker 3: been like dynamic as hell. I really had to like

2506
01:43:42,640 --> 01:43:45,559
Speaker 3: walk back some of my pessimism and skepticism about him,

2507
01:43:45,600 --> 01:43:47,559
Speaker 3: so that if they make that one that seems And

2508
01:43:47,560 --> 01:43:50,919
Speaker 3: also it's an appropriate fight for Sanhagen who lost to Sterling,

2509
01:43:51,280 --> 01:43:54,120
Speaker 3: who lost to what was the last contest it was

2510
01:43:54,160 --> 01:43:59,120
Speaker 3: against Jan as well right where he's and Dilla Shaw

2511
01:43:59,320 --> 01:44:01,200
Speaker 3: where he's just kind of or did you lose to Yawn?

2512
01:44:01,240 --> 01:44:02,439
Speaker 3: I can't remember if you lost anymore.

2513
01:44:02,439 --> 01:44:04,479
Speaker 5: Certainly lost he lost the Yeah, he lost it.

2514
01:44:04,560 --> 01:44:04,760
Speaker 2: Yeah.

2515
01:44:04,800 --> 01:44:06,080
Speaker 3: The point being is he was just a little bit

2516
01:44:06,120 --> 01:44:09,920
Speaker 3: of a step behind. Well, obviously Sterling ran right through him,

2517
01:44:09,920 --> 01:44:11,040
Speaker 3: but in the other two cases he was just a

2518
01:44:11,080 --> 01:44:13,080
Speaker 3: little bit of a step behind, and I thought he

2519
01:44:13,120 --> 01:44:15,320
Speaker 3: had to retool some things about his strategy, you know,

2520
01:44:15,320 --> 01:44:17,200
Speaker 3: giving up the bottom too easily getting hit a little

2521
01:44:17,200 --> 01:44:19,200
Speaker 3: bit more than he should. This would be a really

2522
01:44:19,240 --> 01:44:21,200
Speaker 3: great test to see how much he's tightened some of

2523
01:44:21,240 --> 01:44:24,280
Speaker 3: those things up. And conversely, if song you Don't gets

2524
01:44:24,280 --> 01:44:27,000
Speaker 3: to win here, it's the best opponent he could will

2525
01:44:27,040 --> 01:44:28,000
Speaker 3: have beaten up to that point.

2526
01:44:28,040 --> 01:44:28,920
Speaker 2: So out of town.

2527
01:44:29,000 --> 01:44:31,000
Speaker 4: How happy are you that BC is not here for

2528
01:44:31,120 --> 01:44:33,760
Speaker 4: conversations about you? Don Oh God, because we know ile

2529
01:44:33,800 --> 01:44:36,679
Speaker 4: off the rails that I mean that has train wreck potential.

2530
01:44:37,400 --> 01:44:39,599
Speaker 3: I know, I mean BC would just he's an HR

2531
01:44:39,720 --> 01:44:41,960
Speaker 3: violation every time he walks into the room. I just

2532
01:44:41,960 --> 01:44:44,920
Speaker 3: cannot believe we haven't been fired yet. But it's pretty

2533
01:44:44,920 --> 01:44:47,920
Speaker 3: amazing just the same, all right, Aaron bron Setter. It

2534
01:44:48,040 --> 01:44:49,800
Speaker 3: is always great to get you on the show one

2535
01:44:49,840 --> 01:44:50,160
Speaker 3: more time.

2536
01:44:50,200 --> 01:44:51,800
Speaker 2: Plug your work. Where can folks find you?

2537
01:44:51,840 --> 01:44:54,320
Speaker 3: What do you do if they want more Aaron bron Setter,

2538
01:44:54,360 --> 01:44:55,800
Speaker 3: which they should, how do they get it?

2539
01:44:56,520 --> 01:44:56,720
Speaker 2: Yeah?

2540
01:44:56,760 --> 01:44:59,120
Speaker 4: You can never get too much AB So that's why

2541
01:44:59,120 --> 01:45:00,640
Speaker 4: I'm always happy to be on the show with you.

2542
01:45:00,920 --> 01:45:03,680
Speaker 4: But TSNC slash UFC is where you can find all

2543
01:45:03,680 --> 01:45:07,320
Speaker 4: of my MMA coverage Twitter dot com. Slash Aaron Bronstetter

2544
01:45:07,479 --> 01:45:10,080
Speaker 4: is again kind of where all of it will live

2545
01:45:10,240 --> 01:45:13,160
Speaker 4: and I have a newsletter through Twitter, which is that

2546
01:45:13,200 --> 01:45:17,760
Speaker 4: their platform called review where every week you'll get all

2547
01:45:17,800 --> 01:45:22,000
Speaker 4: of my interviews, my podcasts, my ts and edge recommended

2548
01:45:22,000 --> 01:45:24,880
Speaker 4: plays in terms of the betting space, and I even

2549
01:45:24,920 --> 01:45:26,479
Speaker 4: put out an album of the week, so if you

2550
01:45:26,520 --> 01:45:27,920
Speaker 4: want to if you want to hear what my album

2551
01:45:27,920 --> 01:45:29,120
Speaker 4: of the week is, you can get that on the.

2552
01:45:29,040 --> 01:45:29,920
Speaker 5: Newsletter as well.

2553
01:45:30,080 --> 01:45:32,680
Speaker 4: Lots of albums here around me that I'm sure you

2554
01:45:32,720 --> 01:45:35,400
Speaker 4: would you would be glad to listen to if you're

2555
01:45:35,479 --> 01:45:38,000
Speaker 4: a music snob like I am.

2556
01:45:38,360 --> 01:45:43,080
Speaker 3: Hey, did you like the new Corpse Grinder solo album?

2557
01:45:43,600 --> 01:45:45,599
Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, I thought it was really good, some

2558
01:45:45,680 --> 01:45:49,160
Speaker 4: really solid technical guitar work that you you you really

2559
01:45:49,200 --> 01:45:51,240
Speaker 4: like to see from in the genre, and I think that.

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Speaker 2: Let me ask you, what is the wildest concert you've

2561
01:45:57,080 --> 01:45:59,600
Speaker 2: ever been to? Like though, just the fucking rowdiest, Like

2562
01:45:59,760 --> 01:46:00,800
Speaker 2: where am I a moment?

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Speaker 4: Well, I've been to a lot of metal concerts because

2564
01:46:04,760 --> 01:46:06,280
Speaker 4: I was really into metal when I was younger. I

2565
01:46:06,320 --> 01:46:08,200
Speaker 4: got kicked in the head really badly at like a

2566
01:46:08,200 --> 01:46:10,479
Speaker 4: cold chamber concert where I might have gotten a concussion.

2567
01:46:11,720 --> 01:46:14,240
Speaker 4: I've seen Slip Slip not live before a bunch of times,

2568
01:46:14,560 --> 01:46:16,920
Speaker 4: trying to think of the craziest concert I've ever been

2569
01:46:16,920 --> 01:46:18,960
Speaker 4: to where I was like feeling I think I've seen

2570
01:46:19,000 --> 01:46:22,679
Speaker 4: Guar before at like a Fencer war is the best. Yeah,

2571
01:46:22,720 --> 01:46:24,479
Speaker 4: so that would that probably would have been one of

2572
01:46:24,520 --> 01:46:26,759
Speaker 4: the one of the that's on the list for sure.

2573
01:46:28,479 --> 01:46:30,880
Speaker 4: I was telling Brandon Gibbs, I think his name was

2574
01:46:30,920 --> 01:46:32,960
Speaker 4: No Bunny, and I think he wasn't wearing any clothes

2575
01:46:32,960 --> 01:46:33,799
Speaker 4: playing on stage.

2576
01:46:33,800 --> 01:46:34,240
Speaker 5: No Bunny.

2577
01:46:34,280 --> 01:46:35,960
Speaker 4: He was opening for a band that I had never

2578
01:46:36,000 --> 01:46:37,640
Speaker 4: really heard of him before, but that was kind of

2579
01:46:37,640 --> 01:46:38,200
Speaker 4: a weird one.

2580
01:46:38,960 --> 01:46:41,040
Speaker 3: I was telling Brandon Gibson this because he was taking

2581
01:46:41,280 --> 01:46:43,439
Speaker 3: Lydia Warren, who made her pro debut at a Jorge

2582
01:46:43,560 --> 01:46:47,000
Speaker 3: show Icon FC three, which was in Richmond. I always

2583
01:46:47,000 --> 01:46:48,759
Speaker 3: tell folks this, if you ever go to Richmond, Virginia,

2584
01:46:48,840 --> 01:46:51,880
Speaker 3: you have to go to Guarbar. The guys behind the

2585
01:46:51,880 --> 01:46:53,920
Speaker 3: band are all from Richmond, and they have a bar

2586
01:46:54,080 --> 01:46:57,800
Speaker 3: there called guar Barr. It's in I think, in what's

2587
01:46:57,840 --> 01:46:59,680
Speaker 3: the name of the neighborhood, like Jackson Heights. The thing

2588
01:46:59,760 --> 01:47:02,000
Speaker 3: is what's called Anyway. It's actually not far from where

2589
01:47:02,080 --> 01:47:05,439
Speaker 3: the well the now Commanders have their training facility, and

2590
01:47:05,880 --> 01:47:08,280
Speaker 3: the food is incredible. It's the only place I ever

2591
01:47:08,439 --> 01:47:11,240
Speaker 3: I walked into the bar the first time and they

2592
01:47:11,240 --> 01:47:13,960
Speaker 3: were playing walk By Pantera on the jukebox and I

2593
01:47:14,040 --> 01:47:15,799
Speaker 3: was like, motherfucker, I am home.

2594
01:47:16,360 --> 01:47:17,280
Speaker 2: This is amazing.

2595
01:47:17,439 --> 01:47:19,840
Speaker 3: So Richmond, Virginia's guar Bar shots to them. If you

2596
01:47:19,840 --> 01:47:22,360
Speaker 3: guys have never been, you gotta go. Super cool, super cool.

2597
01:47:22,360 --> 01:47:23,960
Speaker 4: Well, my wife and I are going for our fifteen

2598
01:47:24,000 --> 01:47:25,800
Speaker 4: year anniversary out to the east coast of Canniba. Maybe

2599
01:47:25,840 --> 01:47:27,720
Speaker 4: I can conventure that we can go to guar Bar instead, mate,

2600
01:47:27,720 --> 01:47:29,040
Speaker 4: I think that sounds like a lot of fun.

2601
01:47:29,200 --> 01:47:30,479
Speaker 5: I think she'd really dig that scene.

2602
01:47:31,200 --> 01:47:33,160
Speaker 3: I think the fake blood on all the tables would

2603
01:47:33,160 --> 01:47:35,360
Speaker 3: really just kind of set the romantic mood. By the way,

2604
01:47:35,360 --> 01:47:36,880
Speaker 3: a bit of breaking news here, we didn't get to

2605
01:47:36,920 --> 01:47:40,280
Speaker 3: it on the show. Tony Kelly, who is fighting Adrian Yanez,

2606
01:47:40,320 --> 01:47:43,240
Speaker 3: missed wait one thirty seven and a half, including with

2607
01:47:43,400 --> 01:47:45,519
Speaker 3: the towel. So the fight will go on, but he

2608
01:47:45,560 --> 01:47:47,280
Speaker 3: will be fined along the way.

2609
01:47:48,280 --> 01:47:51,280
Speaker 4: Jerry Seinfeld, that's a shame again, in the words of

2610
01:47:51,280 --> 01:47:52,880
Speaker 4: the Jerry Seinfeld, that's a shame.

2611
01:47:52,960 --> 01:47:56,679
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's a shame all right, Aaron, great job as always,

2612
01:47:56,800 --> 01:47:59,960
Speaker 3: enjoy the fights. Tonight in pfl enjoy better Beef Smith

2613
01:48:00,040 --> 01:48:03,080
Speaker 3: and of course UFC Austin tomorrow. We really appreciate it.

2614
01:48:03,120 --> 01:48:05,760
Speaker 3: Thank you so much for your time. And yeah, dude,

2615
01:48:05,800 --> 01:48:08,920
Speaker 3: you're our Canadian correspondent. We love having you on the show.

2616
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Speaker 4: Well, like I said earlier, it's MK any day for

2617
01:48:11,640 --> 01:48:12,960
Speaker 4: me if you need me to fill in, So thank

2618
01:48:12,960 --> 01:48:16,400
Speaker 4: you for having me and always a pleasure to.

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01:48:16,360 --> 01:48:19,080
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2620
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2626
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2627
01:48:34,640 --> 01:48:36,800
Speaker 3: comes back, as well as Wednesday's fan subs, or if

2628
01:48:36,840 --> 01:48:38,720
Speaker 3: you just want to talk to the producers, that's how

2629
01:48:38,720 --> 01:48:40,679
Speaker 3: you do it. For Aaron Brown, Setter, our great friend

2630
01:48:40,720 --> 01:48:43,400
Speaker 3: in the Great White North, for Brian Campbell, for Malka,

2631
01:48:43,560 --> 01:48:46,280
Speaker 3: for Showtime, for CBS Sports, I'm Luke Thomas. Enjoy the

2632
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Speaker 3: festivities this weekend We'll talk to you guys on Monday,

2633
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Speaker 3: and until then

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Speaker 2: All of your gains be loyal.