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Speaker 1: to be Buried With. Hello, and welcome to Films to
Speaker 1: be Buried With. It is me Brett Goldstein, and I
Speaker 1: am joined today by an actor, a writer, a TV exec,
Speaker 1: a podcaster, a panelistor, a hero, a radio show megastar,
Speaker 1: a TV star, and an incredible stand up comedian. I
Speaker 1: can't believe she's here, but she is here. Please welcome
Speaker 1: to the show. It's Kenny be Dead.
Speaker 2: What a generous introduction. I think that's the best ever.
Speaker 1: Kelly. Nice to see you. How are you.
Speaker 2: I'm good, Thank you. I've just landed from Spain, back
Speaker 2: in my kitchen and I'm not am I I'm not
Speaker 2: because I'm dead.
Speaker 1: Oh shit? Oh you oh you know about that. Oh,
Speaker 1: that's never happened. That's never happened before. Yeah, well we
Speaker 1: should probably talk about that, but just as a general hello,
Speaker 1: before we get to that very nice kitchen. By the way,
Speaker 1: it looks fake.
Speaker 2: It does look fake.
Speaker 1: It's clean.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so the only kitchen you've ever seen that's so perfect.
Speaker 2: It looks fake.
Speaker 1: It looks totally fake. And I said that with the respect.
Speaker 2: It's totally not a virtual background.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it is your house normally this clean.
Speaker 2: Yes, the kitchen is this bit of the kitchen's clean
Speaker 2: because I tend to do recordings from such places.
Speaker 1: Is if you were to spin your cameraund is everything
Speaker 1: it's not too bad.
Speaker 2: You'd probably think I had a slight issue that things
Speaker 2: are so immaculate. Yeah, you probably the most comment type.
Speaker 2: It was lovely, It was really nice. I was there
Speaker 2: filming some stuff and seeing my daughter who lives over there.
Speaker 2: We got trashy tattoos.
Speaker 1: Ah nice, a beautiful heart tattoo on her rear.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so we got those mind slightly infected. Hers is fine,
Speaker 2: so that's good. Yeah. We shouldn't have gone to some
Speaker 2: bloke around the back of a tap aspar should we?
Speaker 2: After a few beers, should have had it done properly.
Speaker 1: What's your daughter doing that there?
Speaker 2: She is working out there, So she lived out there
Speaker 2: for a bit. Well, she's she moved. My kids are
Speaker 2: half Dutch, and she moved to Amsterdam when she was
Speaker 2: just eighteen to study Spanish, and then moved to Madrid
Speaker 2: to do a masters in Spanish. And now she's stayed
Speaker 2: on there to work. So she's moving away from me
Speaker 2: in increments.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry to hear that. There are two things in
Speaker 1: your Maybe you're sick of talking about them, but they
Speaker 1: are interesting things in your biography. One is that you
Speaker 1: were the only girl in it or boys school. Yes,
Speaker 1: how does that happen? Was there a huge error? Well,
Speaker 1: I'm sure you've talked about this, loads forgive me for
Speaker 1: not it.
Speaker 2: Was a booking era. No, it was because my parents
Speaker 2: ran a boarding school in the middle of nowhere in Dorset,
Speaker 2: and it happened to be a boys' school, and I
Speaker 2: happened to live in the grounds of the school, and
Speaker 2: therefore it was the school to which I was sent.
Speaker 2: I should add I wasn't like sixteen. I was eight
Speaker 2: when I was sent there around I left when I
Speaker 2: was thirteen, by which time a couple of girls had joined,
Speaker 2: but it wasn't the It wasn't a recipe for you know,
Speaker 2: there's those sort of comedians or misfits and kind a
Speaker 2: band of rogues. I think you start early if you're
Speaker 2: in the in a school where you're quite that much
Speaker 2: of an outsider. I think the land is yeah, the
Speaker 2: grass is sown.
Speaker 1: Do you think it made you think about boys in
Speaker 1: a certain way that has stuck with you? Do you
Speaker 1: know what I mean? If you were in this where
Speaker 1: you it was just boys, you must be seeing sort
Speaker 1: of a different thing than most people are seeing.
Speaker 2: I think I never really thought about being a woman
Speaker 2: or a girl in a male environment until I was
Speaker 2: in my forties, and I look back at it, and
Speaker 2: my entire life has been in environments that were largely male.
Speaker 2: I think when I first got into the boardrooms that
Speaker 2: were entirely male apart from me, I didn't really even
Speaker 2: think about the fact that I was the only woman.
Speaker 2: I think I was so used to being in those
Speaker 2: environments and it didn't occur to me to sort of
Speaker 2: think about it or think if it was a disadvantage
Speaker 2: or It's taken me about for decades to realize there
Speaker 2: is sexism and patriarchy. I think I thought I was
Speaker 2: part of the problem.
Speaker 1: That's fantastic. So the other part of your biography that
Speaker 1: is it fascinating to me is that you were a
Speaker 1: TV exect. Yes, you left that to be a stand up.
Speaker 2: Yes, I'd have had You'd have been wanting to talk
Speaker 2: to me much more ten years ago than you probably
Speaker 2: do tonight. So yeah, it was I did make the
Speaker 2: switch from yea behind the kind of cameras to on
Speaker 2: front of them. And I wasn't always I was in comedy.
Speaker 2: I worked I worked with Comedy Central on and off
Speaker 2: since the South Park days, the origins of South Park days,
Speaker 2: so right back in the beginning and whatever it was
Speaker 2: ninety six. So I've worked with kind of comedy and
Speaker 2: I've done various jobs with people like Tiger Aspect and
Speaker 2: sort of different production companies. But my whole TV career
Speaker 2: wasn't all about comedy. But yes, it was all about
Speaker 2: Telly and it was all about being the other side
Speaker 2: of the camera.
Speaker 1: So great that you did this. You do you have
Speaker 1: you ever had a gig with someone that you rejected
Speaker 1: as a TV exec?
Speaker 2: Yes, but they wouldn't have known that I had anything
Speaker 2: to do with the rejection. Explain, But I have had
Speaker 2: to beg to get into parties in Edinburgh, parties where
Speaker 2: they'd be begging me to come in if it had
Speaker 2: been a company years early. I've gone literally from on
Speaker 2: the list of course you can come into Kelly Who.
Speaker 2: So it's a pretty big status drop I've managed to
Speaker 2: wish upon myself.
Speaker 1: No, it's it's the opposite, do you. I mean very excited.
Speaker 1: So how long have you been doing at Day?
Speaker 2: About seven years? Nearly eight years, so yes, so a
Speaker 2: fair while I think, Yeah.
Speaker 1: Have you had to go and pitch TV shows to
Speaker 1: your old gang?
Speaker 2: Yes, I've been really I've been really funny about not
Speaker 2: using my kind of little black book, which I know
Speaker 2: isn't your question, but I've almost gone the other way,
Speaker 2: just sort of yeah, to sort of not do that.
Speaker 2: Also because I know from as you know, you've got
Speaker 2: to be careful what you wish for. You've got to
Speaker 2: be ready for the things you then get. So it's
Speaker 2: all very well hustling your way into a show, but
Speaker 2: unless you're ready to be doing the show, it would
Speaker 2: be the last hustle you ever did. So I sort
Speaker 2: of think there is there is something to be said
Speaker 2: for you getting the opportunities when you're meant to get them,
Speaker 2: which isn't when you've been going five minutes. Obviously, I'm
Speaker 2: still quite new relative to stand up age, so but
Speaker 2: I have now. Yeah. Now It's funny that the TV
Speaker 2: channels for whom I've done nothing yet are Comedy Central
Speaker 2: and Channel five, both of which I used to work for.
Speaker 2: So when I was at Parent, you know, via conc Best,
Speaker 2: we owned both of those. And I do think they've
Speaker 2: just done a little thing for Channel Five, and I
Speaker 2: think they've just realized that I don't still work there,
Speaker 2: and they've just started to think of as possible talent.
Speaker 2: So it's been really weird and I think they literally
Speaker 2: just couldn't. Yeah, they couldn't make the leap that I
Speaker 2: changed to doing this.
Speaker 1: You went in for a meet with it, and they
Speaker 1: all sat next to you and say, who are we
Speaker 1: meeting today? And today?
Speaker 2: If you've got the screachsheet and how's the P and
Speaker 2: L going to?
Speaker 1: Look?
Speaker 2: Are you going to make enough money off this?
Speaker 1: And you are on all the panel shows you done
Speaker 1: very well, shows.
Speaker 2: Lots of them, not all of them, but yes, lots
Speaker 2: of the nice ones.
Speaker 1: Is there a key to it that you think you've learned.
Speaker 2: I think there's a key to it which is also
Speaker 2: a key to life, the universe and everything we asked. Yeah,
Speaker 2: it's about not waiting until you've got a perfect thing
Speaker 2: to say, whether you're in a panel show, where you're
Speaker 2: in life, because it's really easy and women, and this
Speaker 2: is a gender thing. Sorts of research about this. Women
Speaker 2: tend to wait until they've got really the right thing
Speaker 2: to say before they'll say something where blokes will go
Speaker 2: diving in you know, much sooner than that. And if
Speaker 2: you're waiting and thinking, I'll just wait until I've got
Speaker 2: the exact right joger, what it is is, I would
Speaker 2: call it making the edit. You've got to make the edit.
Speaker 2: And by make the edit, I mean get stuck in,
Speaker 2: say some stuff, give them lots to work with. Don't
Speaker 2: worry about being the funniest voice in the room. Just
Speaker 2: worry about being your voice in the room. Because everyone's
Speaker 2: seen all the other voices. You're the one that's the
Speaker 2: one that they haven't seen. If it's a new experience
Speaker 2: being on the show. And I think that's such a
Speaker 2: good thing to know in life as well. That doesn't
Speaker 2: have to be perfect, you know, just get something out
Speaker 2: there and then you're in it, and then you've occupied
Speaker 2: your space and people will listen.
Speaker 1: I love it, you know, I'm obsessed with I'm sure
Speaker 1: I've said there's a number of times on this podcast,
Speaker 1: but one of my favorite quotes is Lord Michael's about
Speaker 1: SNL that it doesn't go on because it's ready. It
Speaker 1: goes on because it's Saturday night.
Speaker 2: There you go. Yeah, it's perfect. And that exactly sums
Speaker 2: it up, doesn't it.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I think that's really good. I mean that's not
Speaker 1: to say you shouldn't put some thought into it, like
Speaker 1: you shouldn't, but I definitely think perfectionism can ruin you
Speaker 1: you doing anything.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and once you start, once you're in, because then
Speaker 2: you're in the ring, aren't you. And then, of course
Speaker 2: the funny bits are the bits that happen with other
Speaker 2: people and you've made yourself.
Speaker 1: Yeah, if you're with good people and you say something
Speaker 1: vaguely funny, they will yes end it and make it
Speaker 1: really funny. And then you've you've got something going.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and you've got and the bits that you get
Speaker 2: all the credit for, and rightly so on those panel shows,
Speaker 2: is the bits that you couldn't have written and you
Speaker 2: couldn't have rehearsed, and those do come out of diving
Speaker 2: in and having that sort of interacting with somebody. So
Speaker 2: I definitely think I do lots of sort of Ted
Speaker 2: talkie stuff and speeches and stuff like that, and it's
Speaker 2: that's a map. And I do loads of stuff for
Speaker 2: kind of removing obstacles to women and kind of work
Speaker 2: in life and business and stuff, and it's always about that.
Speaker 2: It's I don't wait to be perfect, don't wait to
Speaker 2: be like the other voices in the room that are
Speaker 2: in that case often male. Just just have the confidence
Speaker 2: and your voice being worth hearing, and don't don't second
Speaker 2: guess it, get stuck in.
Speaker 1: I imagine that you, as a comedian would absolutely fucking
Speaker 1: smash a Ted talk because no one's expecting it to
Speaker 1: be funny. Yes, it's a.
Speaker 2: Lovely I do say this to comics who hate corporates,
Speaker 2: and rightly so. So I'm just checking the dogs, not
Speaker 2: having a I think he's just got the hiccups because
Speaker 2: I get billed. So I do do sort of awards
Speaker 2: hosting and actual comedy sets at corporates, which, like everybody else,
Speaker 2: every other right thinking person finds really difficult. But when
Speaker 2: I like the first thing tomorrow, I'm off to do
Speaker 2: a kind of speech somewhere, And yeah, I always ask
Speaker 2: them not to bill me as a comedian. They can
Speaker 2: sound like a performer, a writer, whatever. And they say
Speaker 2: some of my credits for my TV life like South
Speaker 2: Park and SpongeBob, but they don't sound a comedian. I
Speaker 2: will always reveal that a story and increasingly, obviously sometimes
Speaker 2: people will know, but not lots of people don't know.
Speaker 2: But it's such you know how easy it is when
Speaker 2: the expectations really low, like don't ever don't ever.
Speaker 1: Sound be funny. Yeah, that's the dream audience exactly.
Speaker 2: It's exactly that I did get brought into an after
Speaker 2: dinner speech that was meant to be like a business
Speaker 2: e one, and he brought me on. He was like,
Speaker 2: you have seen her a live at the Pollo, and
Speaker 2: she's going to blow the roof off and she's so funny.
Speaker 2: And they literally had told me to do a business
Speaker 2: thing with sort of business take it. And it was
Speaker 2: the hardest gig of my life. Everyone was like, oh god,
Speaker 2: this is yeah, make this.
Speaker 1: Stock and so how much of your life is circuit
Speaker 1: gigs versus these things. How much of your percentage of
Speaker 1: your time is doing regular gigs.
Speaker 2: I guess like overall, because I did a few different
Speaker 2: things as well, So I guess overall I probably spend
Speaker 2: about forty to fifty percent of my time doing comedy.
Speaker 2: And I always realized when I actually spend all my
Speaker 2: time doing comedy. So then they lead up to a pollo.
Speaker 2: Obviously cleared the diary and just did nothing but stand
Speaker 2: up for six weeks, and I got so much better
Speaker 2: in six weeks. I was like, Oh, if I just
Speaker 2: did this, If I did this, I mean, I'm sure
Speaker 2: the deadline of that, I'm sure ify comic will say, yeah,
Speaker 2: I kind of miraculously got a lot better in those
Speaker 2: six weeks. But I think if I if yeah, I
Speaker 2: do sometimes think you know, and it goes in phases.
Speaker 2: You know, I'll have two weeks of nothing but stand up,
Speaker 2: and then two weeks of nothing but corporates or radio
Speaker 2: or whatever, and it definitely you know that you get
Speaker 2: into another world that's quite far away from it's quite
Speaker 2: different bits of yourself, which sounds really wonky, but it
Speaker 2: is sort of true.
Speaker 1: No, it's true. I guess we should talk about you
Speaker 1: what you said at the beginning, which has never happened before.
Speaker 1: But you have died. You're dead, and you noticed, and
Speaker 1: that's unusual on this podcast. And I remembered too, How
Speaker 1: did you die?
Speaker 2: I think there's only one way that anyone would have
Speaker 2: wished to die, and I'm really glad I died that way.
Speaker 2: And that was the same way as Isadora Duncan. So
Speaker 2: I had a beautiful scarf flowing at the back of
Speaker 2: a convertible and it got caught in the wheels, and
Speaker 2: that's how I died. And Grace Kelly died in exactly
Speaker 2: the same so not the same way with the scarf,
Speaker 2: but yes, is a door Duncan died in that way
Speaker 2: in the in the twenties, and then fifty odd years
Speaker 2: later on the same date, Grace Kelly died in a
Speaker 2: similar motoring accident, but without the scarf. But is a
Speaker 2: Dora Duncan famously died on a jawn with a young
Speaker 2: man she didn't really know much about, choked on her
Speaker 2: own beautiful headscarf.
Speaker 1: Got hung herself on a headscarf was driving.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he was driving. She was in the passenger seat
Speaker 2: and her beautiful flowing headscarf got caught in the wheels
Speaker 2: at the back of the convertible of a man she'd
Speaker 2: only met an hour before. Hell of a way to go,
Speaker 2: isn't it.
Speaker 1: That poor guy? That poor guy. What a night there.
Speaker 2: It's a bad first datematic date, that is. Yeah, and
Speaker 2: that's before tinder and stuff.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he probably didn't know her name, what a yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and she was young. I went the samewhere. But
Speaker 2: she had six adopted daughters Isadora Duncan, and they carried
Speaker 2: on her sort of stuff in her image, and they
Speaker 2: were called the is Adorables. So this is, you know,
Speaker 2: this is a good way to die. So Grace Kelly
Speaker 2: died exactly the same date about five decades.
Speaker 1: Later, but not by scarf by scarf.
Speaker 2: But I've picked up the scarf again and I've gone
Speaker 2: like I've gone full is.
Speaker 1: A doorra beautiful? I mean, not for the guy. I
Speaker 1: do worry about the guy. It does seem pretty like
Speaker 1: horrendous for the guy.
Speaker 2: Yeah, But then he was trying to pick up a
Speaker 2: famous dancer with whatever line he had and whatever car.
Speaker 1: So it seems like I don't know that he's I
Speaker 1: just don't know. It just seems very traumatic for everyone
Speaker 1: that story. But who are you? Who's driving when you
Speaker 1: get killed by your heads? Guy?
Speaker 2: I'm driving because I'm a very independent, modern woman, So
Speaker 2: I'm driving. Yeah, No one's implicated, just me. The dog's
Speaker 2: not even in the car, just me.
Speaker 1: How old are you when this happens? How old do
Speaker 1: you want to be?
Speaker 2: I think we'll go forty five?
Speaker 1: So forty five very young today, tragic it wasn't. Just
Speaker 1: to be clear, it was an accident.
Speaker 2: It wasn't. It wasn't an elaborate suicide.
Speaker 1: Right, Okay, you're forty five years old, Jesus so young.
Speaker 1: I mean people will talk about you forty five. People
Speaker 1: will say, what a tragic loss. What do you think
Speaker 1: happens when you die?
Speaker 2: I think your spirit soars around the place, having a
Speaker 2: lovely connection with the people that you used to be
Speaker 2: with on this earth.
Speaker 1: That's yeah, So the people, the people know that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think like I think my kids would sort
Speaker 2: of know I was in orbit. The dog who sadly
Speaker 2: outlived me would sort of sense my presence. Yeah. I
Speaker 2: think it's like a sort of feeling, you know, you
Speaker 2: take the people with you that you loved. It there's
Speaker 2: still a bit of you know, people think your love
Speaker 2: are still there with you, and I'd like to think
Speaker 2: I would be there, not in a haunting way, but
Speaker 2: in a sweet, sort of reassuring way.
Speaker 1: So you're sort of floating around, sort of like the
Speaker 1: invisible man, sort of flying around, and you check in
Speaker 1: with your daughter, check in with your dog, what's happening
Speaker 1: sort of between just watching things.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean you're making it some more creepy than
Speaker 2: it is. I wouldn't be like just nosy. I wouldn't
Speaker 2: be like, what's who's my daughter dating and what's going on?
Speaker 2: But I would be Yeah, just a sort of reassuring
Speaker 2: the sense that someone's there, you know, a little breeze
Speaker 2: across the plant and the garden, someone being like I
Speaker 2: wonder if that's mum. That sort of thing, you know,
Speaker 2: gentle a gentle warm presence, which may or may not
Speaker 2: be how they see me in life. Right.
Speaker 1: I guess I'm just trying to work out how you're
Speaker 1: using your time. You're constantly being a warm presence.
Speaker 2: Just being a warm presence.
Speaker 1: What's happening in the gaps when they're not in the garden, Yeah, and.
Speaker 2: Just trying to trip up like Tory MPs in a
Speaker 2: sort of like sort of not death, but you know,
Speaker 2: perhaps not being good to work for a few months, mischief,
Speaker 2: sort of dropping tapes of illicit gatherings on the mirror's doorstep,
Speaker 2: you know, things like that, just a little bit of
Speaker 2: a little bit of political agitation, a little bit of
Speaker 2: fighting for social justice, and then some general good karma,
Speaker 2: amaste spirit types of.
Speaker 1: You're very busy.
Speaker 2: I've always liked to in death as in life.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So no rest for you. There's no heaven. There's
Speaker 1: no place you can just chill out.
Speaker 2: Not a big believer in the old heaven.
Speaker 1: You've just been a warm breeze in politically, as to
Speaker 1: take exactly.
Speaker 2: I think that's it. Yeah, And I mean, you know
Speaker 2: you've got your You've got your death ahead of you, haven't.
Speaker 2: You got to make the best of it.
Speaker 1: Love it. Well, I've got news for you. I'm afraid
Speaker 1: there is a heaven. I'm so sorry, and you're you're
Speaker 1: going to it, and it's filled with your favorite thing.
Speaker 1: What's your favorite thing?
Speaker 2: My favorite thing is anything to do with the animals, really,
Speaker 2: so it's filled with lovely little sort of puppyish kittenish animals.
Speaker 1: It's an animal sanctuary and it's filled with puppies and
Speaker 1: kittens and it's fucking great. They're everywhere they are. You
Speaker 1: come in, they all run at you. There's so many
Speaker 1: of them you can't see the floor. For puppies and kittens,
Speaker 1: there's also puppy kittens, which is a half puppy, half kitten,
Speaker 1: hind legs of a cat in front of a dog.
Speaker 1: Very sweet. They're all excited to see you. There's also
Speaker 1: kitten puppies front of a kitten, back of a puppy,
Speaker 1: all excited to see you. They want to talk to
Speaker 1: you about your life. They want to talk about it
Speaker 1: through film, which is weird for kitten puppies. The first
Speaker 1: thing they ask you is what's the first film you
Speaker 1: remember seeing?
Speaker 2: I love that question coming from a little cuppy. That's
Speaker 2: what I'm going to call them, little cuppies. Cuby And
Speaker 2: they probably won't be poohing, will they, because it's heavenly
Speaker 2: so probably no pooh And yeah, famously amazing. So my
Speaker 2: first film that I remember seeing, and I should say
Speaker 2: I'm not as old as this would make me see more.
Speaker 2: I was not as old. So Whistle Down the Wind,
Speaker 2: which I'm sure you know. Yeah. So it's actually a
Speaker 2: film from nineteen sixty one, and I obviously did not
Speaker 2: watch it in nineteen sixty one because I hadn't been born.
Speaker 2: But it was a film that I saw in the
Speaker 2: seventies when I was a little girl, I reckon. I
Speaker 2: was probably about six or seven, I was quite little,
Speaker 2: and it was Hailey Mills starred in it. It was
Speaker 2: actually written by her mum. I think Mary Hailey Beller,
Speaker 2: I think is Hailey Mills's mum. And do you know that.
Speaker 2: I'm sure you know about the film.
Speaker 1: So I know the story in the script, but I
Speaker 1: don't know facts about the film if you're going to
Speaker 1: tell me.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So, well, the thing that to me a couple
Speaker 2: of things. One was it was I didn't think about
Speaker 2: this at the time, but all the main characters are children,
Speaker 2: so they're all so the protagonists that all children, and
Speaker 2: that's I don't think I mean like things like I
Speaker 2: guess like the railway children, and I suppose that's also
Speaker 2: children protagonists, but I saw that kind of later. But
Speaker 2: it was the fact it was children and loads of children,
Speaker 2: and all the big scenes all little children. But it
Speaker 2: was also I didn't realize it. The whole thing's like
Speaker 2: an allegory for them thinking they think they found Jesus Christ.
Speaker 2: That's what they found. This kind of guy that's actually
Speaker 2: I think, a murderer, and he's hiding in a barn.
Speaker 2: He's a criminal anywhere, wanted criminal, and they think he's
Speaker 2: Jesus and they all come to the barn and he
Speaker 2: tells them stories and they all think they are more
Speaker 2: and more children from the little village kind of come
Speaker 2: to the barn and meet this guy. And I should say,
Speaker 2: he's not in any way sinister towards the children, but
Speaker 2: he is a wanted man. And then at the end
Speaker 2: he gets found by the police and he comes out
Speaker 2: with his arms outstretched like the sort of crucifixion. And
Speaker 2: I remember once he was I didn't know you could
Speaker 2: cry about al or a book or I just as
Speaker 2: a little child. I don't know if you. I don't
Speaker 2: think I realized that was a thing. And I found
Speaker 2: myself just absolutely sobbing, but being really embarrassed that I
Speaker 2: was crying in front of my parents and my brother,
Speaker 2: and it really moved me an age when I didn't
Speaker 2: know film had the power to move you like that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so he gets arrested at the end.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he gets taken away, Like I don't think you
Speaker 2: know what's I don't think you know what's where he's
Speaker 2: I'm pretty sure he's obviously gonna end up in prison,
Speaker 2: I guess, and all the children are there, like there's
Speaker 2: this big end scene and the I mean, this is
Speaker 2: my plastic memory as one has, so maybe if you
Speaker 2: watched it, you'd be like, no, that isn't how. It
Speaker 2: definitely ends with him getting taken away, But my memory
Speaker 2: of it is all the different children, more and more
Speaker 2: had come along, and there's this massive sort of scene
Speaker 2: where he goes away, and then all these children like
Speaker 2: they've lost this massive part of their lives and this
Speaker 2: guy that they thought was their sort of idol and
Speaker 2: he's gone. Very moving.
Speaker 1: First, I mean, great first film, and it's never never
Speaker 1: come up on this, so great shout. What is the
Speaker 1: film that scared you the most? Like being scared?
Speaker 2: I really hate being scared. I'm quite brave in life,
Speaker 2: like I don't I live on my own and I
Speaker 2: don't worry about anyone breaking in, and I'll walk down
Speaker 2: the dodgiest street if it's a shortcut. So I feel
Speaker 2: sort of oddly invincible what I did, until I realize
Speaker 2: no one's invincible. But I don't like being scared in films.
Speaker 2: I grew up as a teenager in the eighties hanging
Speaker 2: out with mainly boys. Still I don't know why I
Speaker 2: was still hanging out with boys, because by then I
Speaker 2: was at a mixed school, but I still was hanging out.
Speaker 2: I guess with other reasons. You would be hanging out
Speaker 2: with boys as a teenager. And we used to watch
Speaker 2: like Damon om and three and Nightmare on Elm Street
Speaker 2: and Poltergeist and those kind of well I now and
Speaker 2: The Shining We watched all that kind of stuff, which
Speaker 2: I now think those are all quite scary things to watch.
Speaker 2: And I absolutely have always hated anything like that. I
Speaker 2: hate and I'm a BAFT voter, so it's kind of awkward.
Speaker 2: If there's a whole load of what you mean, you
Speaker 2: do have to watch them, there's a whole load of them.
Speaker 2: I don't really want to watch that. It's not my genre,
Speaker 2: so I'm pathetic. I get so easily scared. I don't
Speaker 2: like dark things interesting. I like fluffy lambs and puppies
Speaker 2: and kittens.
Speaker 1: As you know, you like you like Pittons, you'd be
Speaker 1: amazed or not how many comedians on here. I hate
Speaker 1: horror so many more than like it, far more. I
Speaker 1: think it's to do with control. I think it's because
Speaker 1: we're all control freaks.
Speaker 2: What do you think about horror?
Speaker 1: I love horror, but I get why people don't like it,
Speaker 1: as in I completely understand.
Speaker 2: I like jumping off cliffs. I've done all the kind
Speaker 2: of extreme. I like extreme things to experience.
Speaker 1: So you don't mind things that could kill you, but
Speaker 1: you don't like the idea of things that could kill you.
Speaker 2: There you go, Yeah, yeah, exactly it. Yeah, I just
Speaker 2: want to go straight in for the kill. I don't
Speaker 2: want to just piss around.
Speaker 1: I'd rather be chased by Freddy Krueger. That was your
Speaker 1: film about Freddy Krueger.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because then you've got a chance you could control
Speaker 2: what you've got to it's in your hands that he
Speaker 2: respond Yeah. Is that also a first for you on
Speaker 2: the podcast?
Speaker 1: Yeah, the first person is actively wished for Freddie.
Speaker 2: Yeah, listen, I'm unusual.
Speaker 1: What's the So, what's the film that scared you the most?
Speaker 2: Well, aside from those sort of teenage ones which did
Speaker 2: already scare me, and I did think about The Shining
Speaker 2: because I've watched that a couple of times and it
Speaker 2: scared the shit out of me, obviously, But I'm going
Speaker 2: to go for Cape Fear, but the remake of the
Speaker 2: nineteen ninety one Cape Fear with Robert de Niro.
Speaker 1: I love that film. Yeah, it's a great film, underrated.
Speaker 2: So I went to see this without knowing what I
Speaker 2: was going to see, and I didn't really know. I
Speaker 2: just knew it was Robert de Niro, and I went
Speaker 2: with my mate Jill, who I worked with back then.
Speaker 2: This would have been when we were in our kind
Speaker 2: of early twenties, and I just didn't really know what
Speaker 2: it was. I knew it had Robert Dannier, and I
Speaker 2: knew I had Nick Nolty and who I really liked,
Speaker 2: and I just had no idea what was about to
Speaker 2: befall me. And I remember watching it in a cinema
Speaker 2: in notting Hill and just absolutely shitting myself the bit
Speaker 2: when he's under the car and at the end when
Speaker 2: he's I mean, even when it gets beyond ridiculous at
Speaker 2: the end and he's talking in tongues and wearing a
Speaker 2: frock and everything else. I just found the hot I
Speaker 2: just gripped my friend Jill and the arm of my
Speaker 2: seat and screamed about seven times. And I still remember
Speaker 2: the adrenaline surge I got watching that. Cape Fear.
Speaker 1: It's great. Cape Fear. It's really great. It's very exciting
Speaker 1: and fast. But I also it's one of my favorite
Speaker 1: portraits of a marriage. Cape Fear is one of my
Speaker 1: favorite married couple films. I think they're really interesting married
Speaker 1: couple that you don't see the very deep like for
Speaker 1: a film that's like a mainstream thriller. It's got a
Speaker 1: really interesting subplot about their marriage, which is quite dark
Speaker 1: and difficult and complicated. And it's great, great field, but yeah,
Speaker 1: it is also scary.
Speaker 2: It's also dark. I think that's the other what you
Speaker 2: said just captured it perfectly. There's so many sort of dark,
Speaker 2: weird nuances to everything. There's no port in a storm.
Speaker 2: It's not like, oh, here's a sweet little family and
Speaker 2: now this thing is going to happen. Yeah, it's just
Speaker 2: everything is dark and weird and nuanced, and nothing. You
Speaker 2: don't feel like the ground is safe anywhere emotionally or physically.
Speaker 2: And the whole thing I found extremely impactful.
Speaker 1: It's great. What is the film that made you cry
Speaker 1: the most?
Speaker 2: Now you're a crier, A massive crier, I mean, such
Speaker 2: a crier. Yeah, I never was a public crier until
Speaker 2: my sort of thirties and forties. A massive crier. You
Speaker 2: probably won't meet many women in their mid life who
Speaker 2: didn't learn to cry. A lot of hormones, a lot
Speaker 2: of crying. I think it's a big cry.
Speaker 1: Do you think it was it was hormones that changed
Speaker 1: in yours?
Speaker 2: I think almost make you even the non crying women
Speaker 2: become crying women. I think when the hormones start to
Speaker 2: go all over the place. But yeah, I'm a I'm
Speaker 2: a you know, I was a big crier, big crier.
Speaker 1: What's the film that made you cry?
Speaker 2: I was torn between Kramer versus Kramer, which was another
Speaker 2: one that made me cry, long before I thought you
Speaker 2: would cry that much about those things, and long before
Speaker 2: I became a parent, but instead, so that would have
Speaker 2: been my close second. But I'm going to go for
Speaker 2: Eternal Sunshine Have the Spotless Mind.
Speaker 1: Ah what a movie.
Speaker 2: And I mean you and anyone listening or know why
Speaker 2: that would be. But it so beautifully done. And to
Speaker 2: watch a love affair through the eyes of it being erased.
Speaker 2: What an incredible idea and then that helpless, hopeless, this
Speaker 2: is a massive mistake. We don't want it to raise.
Speaker 2: I want it still to exist. Just such an incredible
Speaker 2: concept and so beautifully done, and the music, and it
Speaker 2: just felt to me. I don't know when it was
Speaker 2: like early two thousands, I guess, and it felt to me.
Speaker 2: And even though some of the music we obviously knew
Speaker 2: really well, like Mister Bluesky, it just felt like something
Speaker 2: I'd never seen before and a whole different way to
Speaker 2: make a film. And I just I watched it twice
Speaker 2: in fairly quick succession. I just loved it. And it's
Speaker 2: still makes I just think it's the most breaking premise,
Speaker 2: isn't it.
Speaker 1: It's also one of those films that I realize now
Speaker 1: I'm like what it was like twenty years ago, and
Speaker 1: people still reference it like it the concept of it
Speaker 1: is so now used to describe other things, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean, Like people go, well, it's kind of
Speaker 1: like you know, in internal Sunshine, like that's the barometer
Speaker 1: in the same way that the matrix. I don't think
Speaker 1: anything ever topped the matrix, Like the matrix is still
Speaker 1: a reference that you say, well, it's the matrix, do
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? And I think it c
Speaker 1: Sunshine is the same. Nothing has replaced it.
Speaker 2: And it was sort of way ahead of itself as well.
Speaker 2: When you think about the idea of us, you know,
Speaker 2: memory being plastic and AI and how we can sort
Speaker 2: of relay the tracks of our life digitally and everything,
Speaker 2: it's sort of even though it wasn't obviously a digital thing.
Speaker 2: It was a kind of you know, chemical based thing
Speaker 2: that happened. But it's really it was massively ahead of itself,
Speaker 2: wasn't it Well, Because at the time, I think even
Speaker 2: neuroscience we sort of thought memories and like it was
Speaker 2: kind of laid down. I don't think neuro plasticity was
Speaker 2: even much of a thing. So it just was so yeah,
Speaker 2: just really powerful and so heartbreaking. And it makes me think,
Speaker 2: every time you fall in love and you think about
Speaker 2: throwing it away, give it the Eternal Sunshine test and
Speaker 2: see if you really want to throw it away.
Speaker 1: It's really beautiful. And the fact that they're going to
Speaker 1: do it all again exactly.
Speaker 2: What a lovely, hopeful ending.
Speaker 1: Yeah, excellent answer. What is the film that you love?
Speaker 1: People don't like it? The critics hate it, but you
Speaker 1: love it unconditionally.
Speaker 2: Again, there's a couple that came to mind, but I'm
Speaker 2: going to go with point break.
Speaker 1: Hey, I suppose it probably wasn't adored at the time.
Speaker 2: It was probably It's probably one of those ones where
Speaker 2: people have retro fitted it now to go it with
Speaker 2: a shit, when at the time it definitely got It
Speaker 2: definitely got slated. I think it was seen as a
Speaker 2: sort of bit of a knaff. I don't think anyone
Speaker 2: was holding it up as a sort of work of
Speaker 2: enormous art. It was obviously pre rotten tomatoes, so how
Speaker 2: will we ever know? But I remember loving it. I
Speaker 2: basically that my holding it up against the light And
Speaker 2: was it critically acclaimed or not? Was everyone took the
Speaker 2: piss out of me for liking it so much? You
Speaker 2: were I was the focus group, so everyone I knew
Speaker 2: was like, you're an absolute dick for liking this film
Speaker 2: so much. So I think that means it wasn't well received.
Speaker 1: I think you're right. I think it was misunderstood. It
Speaker 1: seemed like trash when it was in fact art.
Speaker 2: It was art. It had I mean, I was a
Speaker 2: skydiver at the time and really. Yes. So when I
Speaker 2: say I like to jump off things an out of things,
Speaker 2: I mean it. And I'm sure you know this, But
Speaker 2: Patrick Swayzey was a skydiver and he did his own
Speaker 2: I'm sure you know he always used to his own stunts,
Speaker 2: and he did his own. That amazing culmination sort of
Speaker 2: skydiving scene. That's Patrick swayzee no stunt double, and he
Speaker 2: did fifty five jumps to get that right, fifty five
Speaker 2: So I think that alone. What other film did you
Speaker 2: say that about, Probably not a one, whether or not
Speaker 2: it was Patrick Swayzey.
Speaker 1: Probably Mission Impossible, one of the Mission impustles. Tell me this,
Speaker 1: how many times have you jumped out of a plane?
Speaker 2: Well over two hundred.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you could now do the wingsuit.
Speaker 2: Yeah. The wingsuit depends on how fast you're trying to fall,
Speaker 2: as you probably know, so depending As a woman, you
Speaker 2: tend to need a slick suit, so you need to
Speaker 2: meet without much by way of wings You always have
Speaker 2: to bits people can hold on to, so you can
Speaker 2: meet other skydivers. But you need to cut through the
Speaker 2: air quickly because everyone obviously falls at terminal velocity. But
Speaker 2: you reach terminal velocity marginally more slowly as a slightly
Speaker 2: smaller build woman than a big built guy. So and
Speaker 2: that that second or two seconds is a hell of
Speaker 2: a lot to lose when you're when you've only got
Speaker 2: a minute or whatever it is before you're hit in
Speaker 2: the ground.
Speaker 1: So you have to have more you.
Speaker 2: Need to put to cut through the air more quickly
Speaker 2: on the exit from the aircraft so that you all
Speaker 2: are you need less? Yes, so you need so, you
Speaker 2: need less resistance, So you need so as a woman,
Speaker 2: you have what's called a slick suit, which is very
Speaker 2: tight to your body and made of a fabric that
Speaker 2: and is very much to cut to be aerodynamic.
Speaker 1: But doesn't that mean if you had a wingsuit you'd
Speaker 1: fly better.
Speaker 2: Yes, so yeah, but it would take you a long Yes,
Speaker 2: but it would take you a long time, yes, exactly.
Speaker 2: So if you're doing something on your own, you do
Speaker 2: what you like, but if you're trying to do formation stuff,
Speaker 2: you need to you need to be keeping with the pack,
Speaker 2: which when I used to do I haven't done one
Speaker 2: for god fifteen years, and when I was doing it
Speaker 2: it was still wasn't completely male, but in keeping with
Speaker 2: the theme of the podcast, it was quite male. They
Speaker 2: used to call you a Doris. If you were a
Speaker 2: female skydiver, that's what they called you a Doris. That
Speaker 2: was all right. I stopped when I had kids. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and it became not so much that I was scared
Speaker 2: I was going to die, because it's actually quite a
Speaker 2: safe sport. It's massively regulated. You much more dangerous to
Speaker 2: play rugby or whatever than to skydive. But it was
Speaker 2: just the time. You have to. If you skydive in
Speaker 2: the UK, you're spending many hours at drop zones waiting
Speaker 2: for the weather, and when you've got small children, it
Speaker 2: doesn't tend to go down well if you sounds going
Speaker 2: to fuck off forty eight hours and see if I
Speaker 2: get one skydive in. Everyone seems to think that's quite selfish.
Speaker 1: Wow, absolutely fascinating. What is the film that you used
Speaker 1: to love but you've watched too recently and so I
Speaker 1: don't like this anymore or whatever?
Speaker 2: Even well, the test for this was with the kids,
Speaker 2: really so well, when I try and anyone who has
Speaker 2: kind of slightly older kids, so I'm sure it's told
Speaker 2: you this and will tell you this, so you sort
Speaker 2: of watch. You want to show them something you absolutely love.
Speaker 2: You're like, wait, till you see this. It's amazing. And
Speaker 2: it happens with music. You're like, listen to this. You know,
Speaker 2: I grew up loving this, and it just sounds so
Speaker 2: shit when you play it to them through their ears
Speaker 2: and they're like, huh, loyal kana it ate. And that
Speaker 2: happens with with movies as well. And Wayne's World was
Speaker 2: one where I told my daughter she would love it,
Speaker 2: and we were on holiday together and I said, now
Speaker 2: that's what we always watched, you know, movies in bed together.
Speaker 2: At the end of the lie, if we've gone out
Speaker 2: or whatever, we'll curl up and watch a movie. And
Speaker 2: I was like, you all love it. It's so funny,
Speaker 2: and within about half an hour was like, this is
Speaker 2: like one of the least PC fail the Bechdel Test,
Speaker 2: kind of bit part women with people laying at their asses,
Speaker 2: you know. It was just I was like, this is
Speaker 2: and she was she just and also even the bits
Speaker 2: that were still funny to her as gen Zen, she
Speaker 2: was like, this is just so the comedy didn't translate.
Speaker 2: Some of it's still translated to me, but not enough actually,
Speaker 2: And I loved I just loved that film. So I
Speaker 2: was quite shocked that it so badly failed the test
Speaker 2: of time.
Speaker 1: Well, probably rarely does age well sadly, But I think
Speaker 1: someone explained it on this and I was like, that's
Speaker 1: a very good theory. And it's because comedy is usually
Speaker 1: transgressive when it happens, but then society catches up to
Speaker 1: the thing it's transgressed, and so then it becomes dated.
Speaker 2: Ah, so it goes from transgressive to retrograde.
Speaker 1: In one sweep.
Speaker 2: Yeah, is when the zeitgeist catches up.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's suddenly like, oh my god. Yeah, Like it
Speaker 1: was outrageous one way and then it becomes outrageous the
Speaker 1: other way.
Speaker 2: Jesus, that's true. Yeah. And I think, particularly because it
Speaker 2: was such a parody on that sort of boy's bedroom nerdy,
Speaker 2: there was something there was something so sort of nineties
Speaker 2: about what that was trying to say it was. And
Speaker 2: at the time I was working, I don't think I'm
Speaker 2: was quite working for MTV. I was about to start
Speaker 2: working for MTV. So that whole world was a world
Speaker 2: we inhabited in Babs and Button and Telly and if people,
Speaker 2: if you were into that kind of culture. And however,
Speaker 2: we used to watch Saturday Night Live. I can't remember
Speaker 2: how we got it because it wasn't really league wasn't
Speaker 2: easy to watch here, but all of that stuff, if
Speaker 2: you were into it, which was sort of underground culture
Speaker 2: over here, then that meant so much. That film and
Speaker 2: all of that was irrelevant now to kids, I guess
Speaker 2: my daughter's age, Well.
Speaker 1: They were very sweet when in go and nowadays they'd
Speaker 1: probably be in cells. If that's it.
Speaker 2: It's gone cool to in cell and that's a bad
Speaker 2: transition by anything.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's bad. What's the film that means the most
Speaker 1: to you? Not necessarily the film itself is good, but
Speaker 1: the experience you had around seeing it will always make
Speaker 1: it special to you.
Speaker 2: Kelly Peter, this will sound like a weird choice because
Speaker 2: so it's the film that was kind of the soundtrack
Speaker 2: to me falling in love with my kid's dad, which
Speaker 2: will sound like a beautiful story were it not for
Speaker 2: the fact I split up with my kid's dad twenty
Speaker 2: years ago. So this most sound like a really weird choice.
Speaker 2: But we're really really close still, So we're really a
Speaker 2: very sort of blended family, and he's always been a
Speaker 2: big part of my life and of course my kid's life,
Speaker 2: and so it does sound weird when we're talking about
Speaker 2: a broken up relationship. But I just remember meeting him
Speaker 2: when we both were working in Telly in the early nineties,
Speaker 2: and he's Dutch and he'd come over from Holland to
Speaker 2: sort of do a bit of summer cover for the
Speaker 2: Dutch guy that did the voiceovers because we used to
Speaker 2: have a feed that went into Holland and the Beneluxe.
Speaker 2: So I got to know him and we loved, like
Speaker 2: we loved the soundtrack to that movie, Like we were
Speaker 2: both really into musics, and Harry Connick Junior at the
Speaker 2: time was really cool and everybody was just finding out
Speaker 2: who he was. And I'd always loved Nora Efron's writing
Speaker 2: and watching when Harry met Sally and falling in love
Speaker 2: with somebody with a film that was such an even
Speaker 2: the sort of vignettes of the kind of older couples
Speaker 2: and all of those things just hadn't been done before,
Speaker 2: as you know, and the fact they were a sort
Speaker 2: of unlikely couple and it was a sort of messy
Speaker 2: love story felt so act. So I think the Nora Efron,
Speaker 2: Harry Connock Junr. And the film itself, the sort of
Speaker 2: combination was a kind of vendiagram that led to me. Yeah,
Speaker 2: falling in love and having two kids with a lovely man.
Speaker 1: That's baking nice. That's very nice. All right, No, no,
Speaker 1: full up question perfect. What's the film you most relate to?
Speaker 2: This is going to sound like a weird one, but
Speaker 2: it's probably Gloria Bell, which was did you see there
Speaker 2: was about I don't know, three or four years ago,
Speaker 2: and it's Julia. Yeah, and it this sounds like one
Speaker 2: that should go in the kind of naff basket when
Speaker 2: you hear kind of the what it is, and for
Speaker 2: anyone who hasn't seen it, it's it's her sort of
Speaker 2: in La and she's a divorcee and she always does
Speaker 2: she dance. She always used to dance, go to clubs
Speaker 2: and stuff, even within her unhappy marriage, and then she
Speaker 2: ends up having this whole sort of It does sound
Speaker 2: really enough when you describe it, this whole kind of
Speaker 2: new lease of life. I guess in her fifties probably,
Speaker 2: and it all cut. The reason it's called Gloria is
Speaker 2: because it ends with her doing this amazing kind of
Speaker 2: dance to Laura Brannegan's Gloria. But it is more subtle
Speaker 2: than it sounds, and I do like the fact I'm
Speaker 2: in the process that I would like this because I'm
Speaker 2: writing a book about this, that we sort of think,
Speaker 2: we think that women in midlife might just about be
Speaker 2: able to hang on to what they had, Like maybe
Speaker 2: I think that's the kind of narrative we think that's
Speaker 2: quite a forward thinking narrative. You might not lose everything
Speaker 2: in midlife, but we're at our absolute peak in midlife,
Speaker 2: and we might only just be starting with what we're
Speaker 2: capable of, and we might be having the first of
Speaker 2: many massive, powerful reinventions. And so I love the ambition
Speaker 2: in it and the way she portrays it. So it's
Speaker 2: not a sort of nath midlife crisis. It's like I've
Speaker 2: only just started as the message, and I think that's
Speaker 2: a brilliant message to see a woman in her fifties portraying.
Speaker 1: On screen incredible. I love her.
Speaker 2: She can do no wrong. Even yes, I watched what
Speaker 2: was that film with her and Steve Carell Is It
Speaker 2: Crazy Stupid Love? Which I didn't watch at the time,
Speaker 2: and because I thought it looks enough, I ended up
Speaker 2: watching that as a sort of like, you know, kind
Speaker 2: of like shitty, Like I watched a thing and I
Speaker 2: was like, oh God, this is what I like her
Speaker 2: and everything I thought it was good.
Speaker 1: She's never never been bad.
Speaker 2: Never been bad, very beautiful, beautiful.
Speaker 1: Speaking of which, what's the sexiest film we've ever seen?
Speaker 2: I think it's got to be for my sort of
Speaker 2: age group. This is probably not that unusual. It's got
Speaker 2: to be Thelma and Louise because that's when we discovered
Speaker 2: Brad Pitt. And it was sexy anyway, because Gena Davis
Speaker 2: and Susan Sarandon was so sexy. And at the time,
Speaker 2: it hadn't occurred to me that I would ever go
Speaker 2: on to date women and that I fancied women. It
Speaker 2: wasn't sort of on. I wasn't really thinking that I did,
Speaker 2: but I guess look back at it, I did. So
Speaker 2: it was then and it was him and it was
Speaker 2: the whole. But that, yeah, there's sort of him and
Speaker 2: Geena Davis sort of sex scene. I mean, you know,
Speaker 2: once you've seen that, who can undersow that and who
Speaker 2: would wish to?
Speaker 1: It's a heck of a first film for Brad Pitt.
Speaker 1: The heck of an entrance, you.
Speaker 2: Know, naked in a stepson. What other entrance do you want?
Speaker 1: Is the biggest films there, incredible there's a sub category
Speaker 1: to this question troubling. Boneer is worrying, why don't film
Speaker 1: you found a rousing that you weren't sure you should?
Speaker 2: This is so bad, I'm not sure I shouldn't disclose
Speaker 2: it because it's a really dark one to have found sexy,
Speaker 2: because it was a film that was meant question, It
Speaker 2: was meant to make you think that sort of sleazy
Speaker 2: sex was disgusting, and it was shame it was Michael
Speaker 2: Fassbender depicted as a horrible, disgusting I just thought I
Speaker 2: couldn't I couldn't stop thinking. But it's Mike. Look, you know,
Speaker 2: it's Michael Fassbender, who is so sexy. And everybody my
Speaker 2: friendship group were like, what is I was like, but
Speaker 2: you must have fancied him a bit in it, and
Speaker 2: they were like, no, same way. We didn't fancy him
Speaker 2: in Twelve Years a Swave.
Speaker 1: And I was like, did you find that one challenging?
Speaker 2: That one? I did not. I drew the line of
Speaker 2: fancying him in that one. But this one, I think
Speaker 2: because it was in the general arena of sex and
Speaker 2: it was him and it was and that I don't
Speaker 2: know if you know where they filmed the scene, you know,
Speaker 2: against them with that floor to scene and glass in
Speaker 2: the hotel. That's the standard in New York. And you
Speaker 2: can walk along the high Line and see that room.
Speaker 2: I've walked along the high Line and seen that room
Speaker 2: many times.
Speaker 1: That's such a great answer. And now I'm thinking about
Speaker 1: that film. I'm like, I liked that film, but I
Speaker 1: don't remember thinking, oh god, sex is bad. I don't
Speaker 1: think it if that was the message, maybe didn't get it.
Speaker 1: You and I watched it and thought, this is an aspiration, yea,
Speaker 1: having all that sex.
Speaker 2: And being hot and being able to afford to do
Speaker 2: it in a five star hotel with random people. That's
Speaker 2: so cool.
Speaker 1: You and I thought the title meant what a shame
Speaker 1: we can't afford? Exactly?
Speaker 2: Yeah, so yeah, it did not bring out any shame
Speaker 2: in me, apart from a shame I wasn't there.
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, that's a good answer. I don't what's objectively
Speaker 1: might not be your favorite, but objectively, objectively, objectively the
Speaker 1: greatest film of all time.
Speaker 2: Kelly Beat such a tough one, but I think it's
Speaker 2: got to be one flu over the Cuckoo's Nest for me.
Speaker 1: Fantastic And I think.
Speaker 2: It's well, and I'm going to maybe retrofitting well, I
Speaker 2: think it's my son ended up playing Billy Bibbitt in
Speaker 2: a school production, and that if ever I hadn't found
Speaker 2: the you know, the kind of dialogue powerful bloody did
Speaker 2: after watching my son doing it. But that everything about
Speaker 2: that film and the kind of end scene and the
Speaker 2: kind of pillow over the face and the breaking through
Speaker 2: the window and nurse and all the characters. I mean,
Speaker 2: there isn't really a character in that film that isn't
Speaker 2: outstanding in terms of writing and the portrayal. I don't
Speaker 2: think there's a weak link. And it's so beautifully sort
Speaker 2: of filmed and again just not just very subtle as
Speaker 2: one in lots of ways for something at that time
Speaker 2: about that subject. And I think if the test is
Speaker 2: and I always think about this one. I'm voting for films,
Speaker 2: and I try and remember, I try and always think
Speaker 2: what's the footprint afterwards? How do they resonate or not?
Speaker 2: And that one just has always resonated with me, and
Speaker 2: every time I see it, Yeah, it just sort of
Speaker 2: blows me away. So I mean, it's so hard to
Speaker 2: pick the film, but I'd say if I was forced
Speaker 2: to pick it, it would be that I love it.
Speaker 1: It's a great answer, and it should come up here
Speaker 1: more and it doesn't. So you get ten points for that. Wow,
Speaker 1: you finally started scoring points.
Speaker 2: Amazing.
Speaker 1: What is the film you could or have watched the
Speaker 1: most over and over again?
Speaker 2: Again? This comes back to I've mentioned my daughter a lot,
Speaker 2: but we watch a lot of films together. It's going
Speaker 2: to be Bridesmaids with her, specifically, she and I and
Speaker 2: we sort of have to tell ourselves how long we
Speaker 2: have to ration Bridesmaids. So we have to go when
Speaker 2: do we last watch it? And if it's too reason
Speaker 2: we go, we have to wait a bit. So we
Speaker 2: have to sort of make ourselves watch a couple in
Speaker 2: between sort of things. And we don't see each other,
Speaker 2: you know that often because she lives away. So yeah, Bridesmaids.
Speaker 2: I'd say she and I have watched that a lot,
Speaker 2: and I've probably watched it a good couple of times
Speaker 2: without her as well.
Speaker 1: We also have talked about this is Bridesmaids hasn't been topped.
Speaker 1: There hasn't been a bridesmaid since bridesmaid No, And I.
Speaker 2: Think that's going to be a hell of an ask
Speaker 2: for there to be one, because every time I watch it,
Speaker 2: another bit comes in and I'm like, that's so, that's
Speaker 2: so well written, it's that and everything just comes together.
Speaker 2: And people who think it's like a knaf kind of
Speaker 2: shitty sort of comedy thing on you know that you
Speaker 2: might watch kind of late night because nothing else it's not.
Speaker 1: It's so and they're so like the last exceptionally great
Speaker 1: Hollywood mainstream cinema comedy. I can't think what's been as good, and.
Speaker 2: With female protagonists who are so good and so varied.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's just a fucking funny, well made great It's great.
Speaker 1: What is at the other end of the scale. Wouldn't
Speaker 1: like to be too negative? What's the worst film you
Speaker 1: ever seen?
Speaker 2: That's the other thing about voting for things is you
Speaker 2: see a lot, and you see things that you think
Speaker 2: are going to be shit, and then you're going to
Speaker 2: see them. You still have to go sit and you're like,
Speaker 2: I was right, that was shit and you wouldn't have
Speaker 2: the pain to go see it, but you obviously need
Speaker 2: to see stuff. So I've seen some shit because of
Speaker 2: getting you having to see some shit and amidst all
Speaker 2: of the shit, Mother did you watch Mother?
Speaker 1: I did watch Mother. I love it, but I absolutely
Speaker 1: understand it.
Speaker 2: It's a lot bit why you love it, because I'd
Speaker 2: love to hear the counterpoint to my dismissal of.
Speaker 1: It, because there's nothing like it. I like anything where
Speaker 1: I'm like, well, I've never seen anything like that.
Speaker 2: That's very true. I agree with you on that, nothing
Speaker 2: like it's wild.
Speaker 1: I definitely wasn't bored. I was sort of really stressed
Speaker 1: by it, like it was like having a panic attack
Speaker 1: for ages. Yes, I kind of the last half hour
Speaker 1: was like Jesus Christ, and it kept getting wilder. You
Speaker 1: sort of thought, well, we must have peaked, but then
Speaker 1: it kept going and I just thought I never see
Speaker 1: anything like this. This was fucking wild. Whatever just happened.
Speaker 1: I certainly wasn't bored, and I was fully engaged for
Speaker 1: the two hours.
Speaker 2: I was just a wild, engaged nightmare.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well you think and surely now they've reached the peak.
Speaker 2: That was me thinking, I surely now it should have ended.
Speaker 2: So I was at that point for the last I
Speaker 2: was like, Okay, now now it's got to end. And
Speaker 2: I think it was also whenever I go to see
Speaker 2: those films that haven't come out yet, you'll know this
Speaker 2: like you don't because you haven't seen the films and
Speaker 2: the marketing campaign. It's really funny how different your opinion is.
Speaker 2: I saw La La Land not even knowing what it
Speaker 2: was about, and even read the blurb, and I just
Speaker 2: knew Ryan Gosling was going to be at A Q
Speaker 2: and A, so I was like, and then I so
Speaker 2: the whole of that opening sequence of La La Land,
Speaker 2: I didn't know what to expect. I had no idea
Speaker 2: that's what the movie. And I think it must have
Speaker 2: double the impact at least because I didn't know. And
Speaker 2: similarly with Mother, I had no idea what I was
Speaker 2: going to see. It sounds like even when you did,
Speaker 2: it was surprising. I just thought it had this incredible
Speaker 2: cast and I just couldn't stand it.
Speaker 1: I don't think as in I know, it's so many
Speaker 1: people who really hated it, and it's incredibly disturbing and weird.
Speaker 1: I just don't ever want to be bored, and I
Speaker 1: definitely don't think it's boring.
Speaker 2: It definitely wasn't boring. I didn't want to leave because
Speaker 2: it was boring. Yeah, and it was definitely uncomfortable watch
Speaker 2: and distressing. Yeah, and did not get my vote, did
Speaker 2: not get my votes.
Speaker 1: That's fair, but it's also technically, and maybe you don't.
Speaker 1: It's technically very impressive.
Speaker 2: I did give it a technical yes, because you do
Speaker 2: vote on those things as well. I completely think in
Speaker 2: terms of production, and I think there was a hell
Speaker 2: of a lot about it that stood up the technicalities
Speaker 2: of making a film. But as a punter watching a
Speaker 2: film like no thank.
Speaker 1: You, yeah, totally fair. You're in comedy, you're very funny.
Speaker 1: What's the film that made you laugh the most?
Speaker 2: Going for a oldie but a goodie Life of Brian.
Speaker 1: It's great.
Speaker 2: It's the first film I remember absolutely, and I probably
Speaker 2: wouldn't have watched it. It came out in the seventy
Speaker 2: I'd have been when it came out. I'd have probably
Speaker 2: been nine or ten, So I very much doubt I
Speaker 2: would have watched it at nine or ten. I can't
Speaker 2: imagine who'd have taken me to watch it, but I
Speaker 2: would have watched it not long after that. So it
Speaker 2: was my first kind of exposure to I guess probably
Speaker 2: to the pythons. It was. I think at the time
Speaker 2: things like not the nine o'clock News were on Telly
Speaker 2: and I was starting to think about that sort of
Speaker 2: type of stuff that was going on, which felt very different.
Speaker 2: It was obviously pre things like the Young Ones, and
Speaker 2: it just laid the ground. And when I looked back
Speaker 2: at it, I mean, I pissed myself, without knowing why
Speaker 2: I was pissing myself, but I just found it. And
Speaker 2: I don't think i'd seen anything so absurd. I don't
Speaker 2: think obviously I wouldn't have used the word irreverent, but
Speaker 2: obviously that's exactly what it was. I was brought up
Speaker 2: in a sort of quite a traditional family. You went
Speaker 2: to church on Sundays. I just absolutely loved it. I
Speaker 2: thought it was and I still think it's brilliant.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's brilliant. It's their best.
Speaker 2: Film, definitely their best film.
Speaker 1: It's moving, the ending is amazing, actually makes sense as
Speaker 1: a story. I love it, really well made, seems real.
Speaker 1: It's great.
Speaker 2: And now Michael palin is A is a nearby neighbor,
Speaker 2: and I spent my whole life hoping I'll bump into
Speaker 2: him getting a coffee, which very occasionally happens. Yeah, he
Speaker 2: lives between me and lou Saunders. That's imagine that. Imagine
Speaker 2: how happy he is living between me and Lou. Imagine
Speaker 2: every day hoping he bumps into one of us.
Speaker 1: Probably what a treat? Have you? Said it later him?
Speaker 2: I have seen him a couple of times around and about. Yeah,
Speaker 2: but I don't want to be you know, I don't
Speaker 2: want to fangirl him.
Speaker 1: So that's a difficult person to meet, Like I sort
Speaker 1: of he would be on my list of people I
Speaker 1: don't I wouldn't really want to meet him because I
Speaker 1: like him so much. A I wouldn't know what to
Speaker 1: say in a brief period of time and be if
Speaker 1: I had a bad interaction, it would ruin my life.
Speaker 1: You know, I'd just rather not.
Speaker 2: You have to yourself on a long scarf and a
Speaker 2: convertible if it didn't go.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's probably what happened with Kelly Beaten. You have
Speaker 1: been an absolute delight. However, when you reached forty five
Speaker 1: years out, you went on your own for a drive.
Speaker 1: You just bought a convertible. You were like, I made
Speaker 1: some money. We don't treat myself. My daughter's in Spain,
Speaker 1: my son somewhere else, the father somewhere else. I'm going
Speaker 1: for a drive. You went out, sun was out. Let
Speaker 1: me put the roof down. Still a bit of a
Speaker 1: chilli wind, so I will wear this long, long scarf
Speaker 1: that I've bought. You put the scarf on, you went
Speaker 1: for a drive, You went on the A four. You're
Speaker 1: on the A four and you're heading towards bit. But
Speaker 1: so beginning would be that's on the A four Brockington
Speaker 1: or something. You're heading to Brockington and have a lovely time.
Speaker 1: And as the wind catches your scarf and you're singing
Speaker 1: along to range, rugs keep falling from the scarf gets
Speaker 1: caught in the back tire and within an instant, your
Speaker 1: head is popped off and rolls across the motorway. It
Speaker 1: gets run over by five different cars and a truck
Speaker 1: and then squashed like a watermelon. You your body is
Speaker 1: still holding the wheel, foot still on the accelerator. Keep
Speaker 1: driving for ages. It's a long straight road, the A four.
Speaker 1: At some point there's a turn. Thankfully it turns to
Speaker 1: the right because you veer straight off into a bush.
Speaker 1: The car falls down a ditch, bang explodes, as all
Speaker 1: cars do in films when they fall off side of sticks.
Speaker 1: So there's a big fire ball over here and a
Speaker 1: watermelon squashed head. I'm walking along the A four with
Speaker 1: a coffin. You know what I'm like, I says, anyone
Speaker 1: seen Kelly eating I had? There was an explosion up ahead.
Speaker 1: They go, yeah, there's no evidence that she's been in
Speaker 1: either of these places. But what about this big splat
Speaker 1: over ears? We stop the cars and go down the oil.
Speaker 1: I'd recognize. I'd recognize that strand of hair anyway, that's
Speaker 1: got to be hair. I get a digger. I have
Speaker 1: to dig up the tarmac because you're properly in messed
Speaker 1: into the ground. We dig up bits of road stick
Speaker 1: as much as you as there is, which isn't much.
Speaker 1: It's just the remains of your head, bits of brain stuff.
Speaker 1: It all in a coffin. But there's more tarmac that
Speaker 1: I was expecting, so it's ramped. There's only enough room
Speaker 1: in this coffin now for me to slip one DVD
Speaker 1: into the side of the coffin for you to take
Speaker 1: across to the other side. On the other side, it's
Speaker 1: movie night every night. What film are you taking to
Speaker 1: show the cuppies and pittons in Heaven?
Speaker 2: Only one possible choice, little miss.
Speaker 1: Sunshine beautiful and the cubbies and Pittons are going to
Speaker 1: love it and you're going to sit with them, have
Speaker 1: a candle and watch it. Kelly beat In, what a
Speaker 1: lovely time. Is there anything you would like to tell
Speaker 1: people to listen to or watch? Coming up?
Speaker 2: My podcast now, Mass Day Motherfucker's weekly podcast. So that
Speaker 2: is very much worth checking out. So and my Yah
Speaker 2: book coming out, but not soon enough. It's worth plugging that,
Speaker 2: but stay tuned for that and all my live stuff. Yeah,
Speaker 2: you can see on my website all the other stuff
Speaker 2: I'm up to. But it's a Tellyan radio and you
Speaker 2: know all kinds of stuff.
Speaker 1: Do you have a title for the book?
Speaker 2: I do, but I'm not gonna say it yet.
Speaker 1: It's catchy.
Speaker 2: It is catchy, but if I said, I'd have to
Speaker 2: explain it and then we'd lose all the beautiful crescendo experience.
Speaker 2: It would turn into an elevator pitch for Penguin.
Speaker 1: Kelly Bet, thank you so much for your time and
Speaker 1: for doing this. Good day to you.
Speaker 2: Thank you for having me.
Speaker 1: So that was episode JO hundred and sixty five. Head
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Speaker 1: for the graphics and Learning for the photography. Come and
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Speaker 1: You are going to really like that one. So that
Speaker 1: is it for now. In the meantime, have a lovely week,
Speaker 1: and please, now more than ever, be excellent to each other.