Speaker 1: Woody Who. A little show update from Stradio Lab headquarters
Speaker 1: is that this Saturday, October nineteenth, Sam and I have
Speaker 1: dueling shows coast to coast. So if you are in
Speaker 1: Los Angeles, get your tickets to Sam Taggart and Friends
Speaker 1: at Dynasty Typewriter featuring Chris Fleming, Sophie Buttle, Joel Kimbooster,
Speaker 1: and Rachel Colli. And if you're in New York, get
Speaker 1: your tickets for George Severis and Friends at Union Hall
Speaker 1: featuring Max Witter, Britney Carney, Just Tom, and Michael Aber.
Speaker 1: And both of those shows again are this Saturday, October nineteenth.
Speaker 1: And next month you can see me at Joe's Pub
Speaker 1: as part of the New York Comedy Festival, which is
Speaker 1: so exciting and it's always been my dream to perform
Speaker 1: there not to be a Bitch, And that is November
Speaker 1: fourteenth and November twenty fifth. In the first show I
Speaker 1: think is either sold out or selling out very fast,
Speaker 1: so I get those tickets in November twenty fifth, and
Speaker 1: all ticket links are in our various Instagram bios And
Speaker 1: we can't wait to see you, whether you're in Los
Speaker 1: Angeles for in New York, and we promised the Toronto
Speaker 1: show link is coming, but the show exists and it's
Speaker 1: happening in November. Okay, I love you, enjoy the episode.
Speaker 1: Hi everybody, how's everyone doing? Wow? Hello? Oh my god?
Speaker 2: Hello.
Speaker 1: Well you know, before we begin, I do have to
Speaker 1: say I see some empty seats and I see some
Speaker 1: standing people. So, honey, something is nodding on. So I
Speaker 1: would like to invite. I would like to officially invite.
Speaker 1: Endorsed by Chase Bank, I would like to officially invite
Speaker 1: everyone to fill these seats, and I refuse to perform
Speaker 1: until that happens.
Speaker 2: WHOA that is radical? Oh yeah, taking a seat radical
Speaker 2: if activism.
Speaker 1: It's national coming out. If you're not seated, you're not
Speaker 1: paying attention. All right. I mean I have to say, still,
Speaker 1: see three seats in the front.
Speaker 2: And roughly two hundred people standing up.
Speaker 1: This is crazy? Is this a sweat tour? Okay? Well,
Speaker 1: oh my god, look at that.
Speaker 2: Look at that.
Speaker 1: People. You know, in non branded spaces, no one pays attention,
Speaker 1: No one listens to me when I speak, but here
Speaker 1: they're like what we have to say?
Speaker 2: No, the way that you are at home in a
Speaker 2: branded space is scale. My god.
Speaker 1: I feel more relaxed than I have in years. I
Speaker 1: am meant to be in a comfortable chair in front
Speaker 1: of two brands. Okay, speaking of which, thank you to
Speaker 1: Chase Freedom for sponsoring our radio lab event tonight. And
Speaker 1: we are very excited to spend National Coming Out Day
Speaker 1: with all of you at the Stonewall National Monument Visitor
Speaker 1: Center and Stonewall Inn and celebrate your freedom to be.
Speaker 1: I was actually thinking my first time at Stonewall was
Speaker 1: get this at the kickoff event for Cynthia nixon scubernatorial campaign.
Speaker 1: And I was with my friend who was at the
Speaker 1: time a tour guide at the Sex and the City
Speaker 1: tour bus. That was her job, and we were like,
Speaker 1: this is big.
Speaker 2: I mean I remember that whole campaign and that was like,
Speaker 2: am I in a bubble? Or is she really going
Speaker 2: to win this?
Speaker 1: I guess what it was the former I was in
Speaker 1: a bubble big time. But it's okay, it's okay. One
Speaker 1: we would never have gotten in just like that, which
Speaker 1: I think is overall better for progressive politics.
Speaker 2: I can't think of a less true statement.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, what are you gonna do?
Speaker 2: You know, what are you gonna do for me? A
Speaker 2: Stonewall I've actually never been inside of it. Wow, isn't
Speaker 2: that crazy? Huh Yeah, I've never been inside I once.
Speaker 2: This is shameful though, but it's coming out day, so
Speaker 2: I'm gonna say it. I walked by it with my
Speaker 2: college improp group.
Speaker 1: And this was a long time ago. To Samwich Troby,
Speaker 1: like what.
Speaker 2: The what the hell's the like? Who would even go
Speaker 2: in there? The hell? Yeah? Yeah, I was semi closet
Speaker 2: in an impro group. Oh yeah, they knew I was gay,
Speaker 2: but I was like, but I'm not really.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you can never be fully out while doing improp comedy.
Speaker 2: No, no, no, because you're always you could jump into
Speaker 2: character anytime.
Speaker 1: That's right. It's really scary. Actually, you know this is
Speaker 1: Tradio Lab. I want to hear and don't be shy.
Speaker 1: Clap if you know what the podcast is if you
Speaker 1: listen to okay, yeah, okay, okay, cool, oh okay, passionate listeners, Yeah,
Speaker 1: JU wantix maybe explain what it is what we study here,
Speaker 1: we're gonna keep We're gonna silence for quel for as
Speaker 1: long as possible. I really walked right into that one.
Speaker 2: So Stradia Lab is a podcast in which we explore
Speaker 2: the beautiful rich tapestry. That is straight culture, straight culture?
Speaker 1: What would you say straight culture? You know, of course
Speaker 1: there's the obvious thing sports, no show, socks.
Speaker 2: Overhead lighting, boat shoes, math. I came a cruise is
Speaker 2: unless you know it's the roseodonal cruz, And I guess
Speaker 2: I want to share one that I came across recently,
Speaker 2: something from straight culture that I did to myself traditional
Speaker 2: form of shaving, the cream and then the shave.
Speaker 1: Sam had never shaved traditionally. Traditionally, he had only ever
Speaker 1: used an electric razor, non traditional queer shape.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there was a point. I was very when I
Speaker 2: first got like a little like eighth grade boy mustache.
Speaker 2: I was like, well, this doesn't work. I'm a little boy.
Speaker 2: I was like, this doesn't fit my boyish charm, right,
Speaker 2: that's right. And so I was sort of like, well,
Speaker 2: maybe no one will notice. Unfortunately, people do start to notice,
Speaker 2: and my dad was like, I was like, what do
Speaker 2: I do? And he was like, well, we'll figure out
Speaker 2: the real shaving later, but for now, just use this
Speaker 2: electric shaver cut too. Roughly four hundred years later, I'm
Speaker 2: still using the electric razor and I've never learned to shave,
Speaker 2: and so now I'm living in LA and I came
Speaker 2: to New York and I had forgotten my electric razor
Speaker 2: and I had to learn quick.
Speaker 1: In your I want to say early twenties hmm, yeah,
Speaker 1: basically there.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's never too late to learn, even if you're
Speaker 2: twenty one or twenty two.
Speaker 1: I do want to you know, I actually kind of
Speaker 1: want to bring Raquel and because she made a point
Speaker 1: about shaving that I think is very interesting. Please without
Speaker 1: missing a me, Raquel was like, well, yeah, shaving is straight,
Speaker 1: laser is queer. Yeah, thought yeah everybody.
Speaker 3: Hi everyone, No, yeah, I was saying that this might
Speaker 3: be TMI, and my community was gonna be like, girl,
Speaker 3: are you giving away the secret?
Speaker 2: No?
Speaker 3: No, but I had to, you know, get a little
Speaker 3: touched up on the laser. And I was like, you know,
Speaker 3: when I first started this, like twelve or so years ago,
Speaker 3: like I felt very like out of my element. But
Speaker 3: I'm like, I got this down now, Like, laser is mine.
Speaker 3: So as a trans woman, I am claiming laser soorry. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Well and George you actually had some proof well as well. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean I of course, so my family lives in Greece.
Speaker 1: I partly grew up there and it laser is I
Speaker 1: would say, part of the religion. I think it's Greek
Speaker 1: Orthodoxy in Greece, and so you know, sometimes you're blessed
Speaker 1: by the priest or the archbishop, and I it's much
Speaker 1: cheaper there. It's literally like maybe a tenth of the
Speaker 1: price here. So I only do laser hair removal on
Speaker 1: various parts of my body when I go back home.
Speaker 1: And famously, the place I go to overlooks the Parthenon.
Speaker 1: So it is a true honor to sort of disrobe
Speaker 1: and have a woman that hates me come in and
Speaker 1: hurt me physically while I look at just like the
Speaker 1: legacy of my people, the window that is so so
Speaker 1: very queer.
Speaker 2: You know, No, it's very queer. I mean. The thing
Speaker 2: with putting shaving cream on your face is like I
Speaker 2: was suddenly like, oh, I looked like like a TV
Speaker 2: commercial father. Yeah, but of course unfortunately that's a little
Speaker 2: bit erotic, and so there was something about that I
Speaker 2: was like, maybe I'll do this forever. Yeah, we complicated.
Speaker 1: We had another straight experience. We witnessed something that we
Speaker 1: wanted to talk about.
Speaker 2: We witness something that we want to talk about. It's
Speaker 2: a little haunting and.
Speaker 3: I we love it. Yeah, that's however, you know, we
Speaker 3: love a them.
Speaker 1: It's is there anything scary? I mean, spooky season is here.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's actually coming out day in the middle
Speaker 2: of spooky seas. That's right, you guys connect the dots.
Speaker 2: We were around a straight We had a straight guest
Speaker 2: on our podcast because we're radical.
Speaker 1: Hold your a pause.
Speaker 2: We had a straight guest mail straight man yest yikes, non.
Speaker 1: Caucasian American straight mail. Well he's Greek, that's true.
Speaker 2: And he didn't know anyone, you know, any of the
Speaker 2: audio technicians that weren't helping us that day, he did
Speaker 2: not know them. And but one guy just exclaimed one
Speaker 2: thing about sports. He was like, oh, I can't believe
Speaker 2: blah blah blah was traded to blah blah blah. Without
Speaker 2: missing a beat, he jumps in. The other guy jumps in.
Speaker 2: He's like, oh my god, we're Travis.
Speaker 1: The conversation. They have not introduced one another, they don't
Speaker 1: know each other's names.
Speaker 2: And we were like, it's the straight version of cruising.
Speaker 1: That is straight cruising is saying a sports fact. And
Speaker 1: then I was like, right.
Speaker 2: Well, it was so deeply intimate and yet anonymous, and
Speaker 2: it was like, you don't know your names, you don't
Speaker 2: know where each other lives. Yeah, Like I was like,
Speaker 2: you guys are being nasty right now.
Speaker 1: By the way, It's like our version, I guess, would
Speaker 1: be like did you hear the remix album?
Speaker 3: Yeah? Yeah, and we already know that. I can tell
Speaker 3: with just the look what the album you're talking about.
Speaker 3: The standems are basically like sports team that's you know, yeah.
Speaker 2: Well in that case, do you think we should celebrate
Speaker 2: them celebrating sports?
Speaker 3: There's a certain standum that I cannot co sign any
Speaker 3: kind of celebration. But I won't say that out loud.
Speaker 3: It's political.
Speaker 1: Oh no, we're not talking about that. No, we're talking
Speaker 1: sports and family values exactly.
Speaker 2: Well, it's treat that's right.
Speaker 1: Yes, And then I think that was.
Speaker 2: It for our straight culture catchup.
Speaker 1: Oh no, but you had you had a straight thing
Speaker 1: that you just told us before we came on stage. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but it's actually a good one. It's a good one.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't remember it. But laundry, Oh, laundry I
Speaker 3: was trying to for yeah, yeah, because I hate laundry.
Speaker 1: Raquel thought for a long time like what's my street topic.
Speaker 1: What's my street topic? And she was like, is laundry straight?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: I was like, yeah, it's a prising, what is queer?
Speaker 3: Yeah? So I have a whole situation where I have
Speaker 3: to go to a laundromat and I'm lucky because my
Speaker 3: laundromat is like right around the corner from me. But
Speaker 3: it still feels like a treck yes, you know. And
Speaker 3: so I'm like, I know exactly what the ancestors felt
Speaker 3: like on the night of the Stonewall riots popping off.
Speaker 3: You know, it's just but when I go, like I
Speaker 3: have to deal with the whole shablam, it's like cat calling.
Speaker 3: It's like the older like uncle dude at the door
Speaker 3: who's like flirting and I hope he doesn't listen to
Speaker 3: this because like he hooks me up when I leave
Speaker 3: my dechargent at home. But it's just it's a whole ricamarole.
Speaker 3: And then we were talking about like is an end
Speaker 3: unit situation straighter or queerer? And I think we said
Speaker 3: it was straighter.
Speaker 2: To me, that is essential. It's like individualism. It's so straight.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, like a londromat. Yes it's straight, but at
Speaker 1: the very least you are going to the watering hole
Speaker 1: with your You're like one of the animals going to
Speaker 1: the lake to you know, get your little piece of slop.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and that there's.
Speaker 1: Something communal about that. You know, you're living in chosen family. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean my laundromat is my chosen family in a
Speaker 1: very big way.
Speaker 3: I mean in two hours.
Speaker 1: Yes, exactly, exactly. And it doesn't mean you like all
Speaker 1: of them. Might mean you're afraid of most of them. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but they're still your family. God damn it.
Speaker 2: One of the straighter things about Launchry to me is
Speaker 2: when people overwash their clothes. Yes, Like when people are like, no,
Speaker 2: there can't be there can't be any sign that I
Speaker 2: ever wore this.
Speaker 1: I'm like, it's fine, Like calm down, yeah, stop being ashamed. Yeah,
Speaker 1: like you live a beautiful rat. Stop coming out day
Speaker 1: for crying out.
Speaker 2: Yeah, have some ketchup on your pa.
Speaker 1: Stop washing her clothes.
Speaker 3: Yeah. We also said that dry cleaning was especially clear.
Speaker 1: I think, I mean the drama of it, like and
Speaker 1: then they put it they like take your clothes and
Speaker 1: make them youw and put them in a little outfit.
Speaker 1: I've never thought about it as a little alum, you know,
Speaker 1: what I mean, and they each have an individual little
Speaker 1: like you.
Speaker 3: Know, yeah, and I'm still especially important when I have
Speaker 3: like the like the really like good laundry bags, right,
Speaker 3: like the ones with the like canegar and but it's
Speaker 3: like cloth or something, not the plastic ones that that's no,
Speaker 3: that's straight please killing the environment.
Speaker 1: As a Chase Freedom member, I would never but yes, no,
Speaker 1: I think I think there's something about dry cleaning where
Speaker 1: it's like the platonic ideal of an errand and you're like,
Speaker 1: finally I am Carrie Bradshaw.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, well ring also like I have no idea
Speaker 2: what happens once it's taken back there. No one knows,
Speaker 2: and that little sense of mystery is like, yeah, that's perfect.
Speaker 1: Yeah, what do they do? Someone comes and arrests us?
Speaker 2: The secret No one's allowed to know what they do. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Should we talk about coming out?
Speaker 2: Well, it is national coming out there, it's.
Speaker 1: National coming out, Dave. So here is positive, Here is positive.
Speaker 1: I have to say I think too many people have
Speaker 1: come out and actually being positive. I think being there's
Speaker 1: something so radical about being closet. It's like believe something
Speaker 1: to the imagination.
Speaker 2: George, you can't say that here.
Speaker 1: I'm kidding, we're actually announcing that we're both going back
Speaker 1: in the closet after this event.
Speaker 3: I'm jealous. Yeah, this has gotten old.
Speaker 2: It's so.
Speaker 1: But Raquel was telling us something very interesting and very
Speaker 1: stradio lab which is well, i'll let you say it.
Speaker 3: So yeah, okay, So we know kind of like the
Speaker 3: boiler plate kind of like language of like for transpholts. Right,
Speaker 3: it's like we have multiple coming out I came out
Speaker 3: as gay at like fourteen. To my mom. It was
Speaker 3: like raining and you know it.
Speaker 1: Started raining right when you came out, right.
Speaker 3: Yeah, No, I wasn't a movie a lightning strike, yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, light hands, just lightning and there was a flood.
Speaker 3: Yeah. No. It was the most unintelligent thing I've ever done,
Speaker 3: because like afterwards, I was like, she could have swerved.
Speaker 3: It could have been a whole thing, you know, and
Speaker 3: she would have had possible deniability. But that was a
Speaker 3: little dark.
Speaker 2: So you came out in the car.
Speaker 3: I came out in the.
Speaker 1: Car, wow, Charlie.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And she was like, well, this will just be
Speaker 3: something we have to work through. And of course now
Speaker 3: you know, she's loved every phase of my life. The
Speaker 3: drag performances when I was in college, the coming out
Speaker 3: as trans. Believe it or not. She loved that coming
Speaker 3: out more than the first one. That one made more sense.
Speaker 3: But the thing is is, I've come out of so
Speaker 3: many things by this point that I feel like I'm straight.
Speaker 2: It's crazy.
Speaker 1: I was like, that is that is actually what horseshoe
Speaker 1: theory is. It's like you come out so much that
Speaker 1: then you are fully You're like in the boardroom, yeah,
Speaker 1: being like you're fired for being gay.
Speaker 3: Like and I've done it too many times. There's nothing
Speaker 3: left to like shock my family with anymore.
Speaker 2: Like, yeah, you said that she preferred when you came
Speaker 2: out as trans. How did she express that?
Speaker 3: Well, she was like she was like, this makes a
Speaker 3: lot more sense. And I didn't know if that was
Speaker 3: like a compliment like bir you got it, that essence
Speaker 3: is there, or if it was like yeah, I don't know, yeah, right.
Speaker 1: It does seem a little offensive to be like, oh,
Speaker 1: I knew you were lying before. There was always something
Speaker 1: off with my daughter.
Speaker 3: Yeah basically yeah, but it's been fun. You know, she's
Speaker 3: she's good, and my mom has come out as an ally.
Speaker 1: Well there you go.
Speaker 3: Over the years, I grew up very Catholic, by the way,
Speaker 3: so like I heard the moans. I heard a few moans.
Speaker 3: I'm used to that, but but it's been a journey.
Speaker 3: And she's like now she's like on the p flag
Speaker 3: national work, Like my mom is like, if y'all watch,
Speaker 3: this is a throwback, like this is aging me. But
Speaker 3: if you watch where as Folk right and the mom
Speaker 3: that was like super farming of Michael And I was like, Oh,
Speaker 3: wouldn't that be great? That's literally my mom. She's like
Speaker 3: that of farming.
Speaker 2: That's very sweet.
Speaker 1: Didn't your mom today send you a video of about
Speaker 1: gay tourism in Michigan or something.
Speaker 2: Yes, my mom is also too accepted. She is really
Speaker 2: pushing me back in the closet. She today. She she
Speaker 2: always whenever I go home, she lives in like they
Speaker 2: live in a small town in Michigan, and she's always like,
Speaker 2: I saw two guys holding hands and I'm like, okay,
Speaker 2: So she's like, so feel free to do whatever.
Speaker 3: It's like, if you're not holding somebody's hand, are you failing?
Speaker 2: Literally yeah? And then she'll also be like she'll love
Speaker 2: to be like and I saw her guy in Espeedo
Speaker 2: at the Beach. Things are really changing around here in
Speaker 2: Southwest Mission.
Speaker 1: My grandma was like, she saw some speech that the
Speaker 1: Greek Orthodox archbishop made that was homophobic and sebay and
Speaker 1: she was like, why don't they like gay people? I
Speaker 1: thought they were. I'm like, right, that's sort of the
Speaker 1: whole thing. But that's like what we've been talking about
Speaker 1: for generations.
Speaker 2: Yeah, today my mom took it to a new level.
Speaker 2: She sent me a video that's like, uh, like queer
Speaker 2: influencer going to my mom's town. That was like, Southwest
Speaker 2: Michigan is the best queer vacation. Yeah.
Speaker 1: She was like, I wish my son made queer influencer
Speaker 1: videos about our town.
Speaker 2: I was literally like, no, it's not like there's no
Speaker 2: way on her Southwest Michigan is the best queer vacation.
Speaker 1: Yeah, unless unless should we go.
Speaker 2: That's it.
Speaker 1: There's a buss outside going on. We're going to the
Speaker 1: Chase Freedom Cruise to Central to Southwest Michigan.
Speaker 2: It's almost Michigan.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, imagine this event, but just in southwest Michigan.
Speaker 1: I would be living.
Speaker 3: Now. That's radical.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that is radical. We all get on the jet.
Speaker 3: I mean, Sowall is like on the note.
Speaker 1: I know, it's like, yeah, we get it here, like
Speaker 1: no one's being convinced to come out at this event
Speaker 1: and south of especially and there would be people being like, I'm.
Speaker 2: Gay and it would be my dad that.
Speaker 1: Actually shaving cream all over. Did we want to talk
Speaker 1: about our coming out? Well, that's it's like, so you've
Speaker 1: come out so many times.
Speaker 2: That you feel that your housetight.
Speaker 1: I mean that's iconic.
Speaker 3: But why did you have me go first about like
Speaker 3: coming out?
Speaker 2: Oh?
Speaker 1: God, well you know you're the guest. Wow. Yeah, ladies Chris, Yeah,
Speaker 1: well now yeah, I know ours are less exciting. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I will say I came. I was literally about to
Speaker 1: board a flight, a transatlantic flight, and decided to come
Speaker 1: out seconds before leaving for the airport. So I was
Speaker 1: just sort of like I'm gay and then just literally
Speaker 1: like got on a plane and left the country, which
Speaker 1: I do think is kind of a dramatic thing to do.
Speaker 2: No, that's very gay.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I was like, and this was before Wi Fi
Speaker 1: on plane, so it's like you can't reach me sit
Speaker 1: with this. Did you allow any Q and a portion
Speaker 1: Like we were in a hurry to get to the airport,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? Wow, there was maybe five minutes.
Speaker 1: How did you come out?
Speaker 2: Oh? Mine was We've never talked about it. Mine was
Speaker 2: so so passive aggressive.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, well, very gay, very very gay, and very
Speaker 1: do you identify as a wasp.
Speaker 2: You keep trying to put me in a walk.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, I'm sorry.
Speaker 2: Okay, you're not and I have maybe like twenty five
Speaker 2: percent Okay, I so, okay. I wrote a very salacious
Speaker 2: journal the year I was very aware that the year
Speaker 2: that I was twenty one, I was living in Chicago,
Speaker 2: and I can say in Stonewall, I was expressing my sexuality. Wow,
Speaker 2: the light's up right when you say something like that.
Speaker 2: I was expressing my sexuality. And I was writing in
Speaker 2: this journal every single thing that I was doing, and
Speaker 2: really editorializing and having a lot of fun because you know,
Speaker 2: it was my journal and it was for me. And
Speaker 2: then of course my parents come to move me out
Speaker 2: of college and they find the journal. Wow, sort of
Speaker 2: tales oldt time. Maybe don't document everything that you're keeping
Speaker 2: a secret. So then I was like.
Speaker 3: Hey, I didn't read it, obviously.
Speaker 2: God, that's kind of what I thought. So then they
Speaker 2: read the journal. My mom cries, reads the journal is like, well,
Speaker 2: this is a nightmare. Journal goes in the garbage, and
Speaker 2: I was like, well that was my book. Wow, Journal
Speaker 2: was in the garbage. And then like the next year,
Speaker 2: we're playing this game where we're like.
Speaker 1: Like, but's in the garbage, but doesn't address it.
Speaker 2: With you No, ohait, sorry, but that's Baker no, like
Speaker 2: not being the lot allegations, And so then for the
Speaker 2: next year it would be like, well, like she would
Speaker 2: say like, well, are you dating anyone? And I would
Speaker 2: say like, no, Mom, I'm not. And it was this
Speaker 2: thing where we go back and forth and she'd be like, well,
Speaker 2: how's that one girl? And I was like I don't know, mom,
Speaker 2: how is she? And we'd sort of like do this
Speaker 2: back and forth.
Speaker 1: We were being like really gay.
Speaker 2: We were being we were like being in Ryan Murray's
Speaker 2: feud y, like we were being so insane towards each other,
Speaker 2: and like because I was just like, well you read
Speaker 2: the journal, you tell me I'm gay, and which neither
Speaker 2: of us were? You know, is in vulnerable time.
Speaker 1: Take notes. This is how you should do it. Any
Speaker 1: parents out there, if your kid comes out, make sure
Speaker 1: to not address it for approximately one calendar year.
Speaker 2: Let them sit with it, and then it became very
Speaker 2: amicable and it was fun for sure. And then you know,
Speaker 2: then she got into the southwest, Michigan is such an
Speaker 2: amazing place for gay.
Speaker 1: Right, started following queer influencers. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, Tyler Oakley.
Speaker 2: But the cinematic part was like sort of sitting around
Speaker 2: the dinner table, you know, and then my mom being like, well,
Speaker 2: cheers to that, and it was like, okay, well that's
Speaker 2: clean exit.
Speaker 3: Sure, sure, sure, Well all the traumas one.
Speaker 2: Literally pretty erased pretty quickly.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we're the two only psychologically well gay people.
Speaker 2: Actually, yeah, it's really cool.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, we've been tested and they said correct. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so mine was messy. Okay, is that fun? That's fun?
Speaker 3: Yes.
Speaker 1: We were thinking, like, you know, we traditionally we talked
Speaker 1: about straight culture on this podcast, and so we were like,
Speaker 1: how can we twist coming out to be a straight topic?
Speaker 1: What did and do you think coming out could be straight?
Speaker 2: Is it?
Speaker 3: Yeah? Absolutely? Like I think the most radical thing is
Speaker 3: when people come out as ally that's right. Yeah, Like
Speaker 3: it is so hard for people who support yes, clear
Speaker 3: people it's very true to be open about it because
Speaker 3: they might be ostracized. Yes, they're owned by their families.
Speaker 1: Especially when they're a famous celebrity exactly.
Speaker 3: But yeah, it's funny though, because like coming out as
Speaker 3: is like a queer thing obviously, like we hold it.
Speaker 3: But it's like you can come out as like a
Speaker 3: whole bunch of things.
Speaker 2: That's true, you know.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you could come out as like, you know, someone
Speaker 3: who loves doritos. I don't know why they're not.
Speaker 1: This is the part, like, you know what, I think,
Speaker 1: speaking of the sports thing, I feel like a coming out,
Speaker 1: a straight coming out is like being in a city
Speaker 1: where they don't support your own your team, and then
Speaker 1: being and then like unbuttoning your shirt and you have
Speaker 1: a Red Sox T shirt under it or like like
Speaker 1: at the big game. I feel like that's a straight
Speaker 1: version of coming out.
Speaker 2: No totally. I mean there are like straight subcultures that
Speaker 2: it does feel like sometimes they're like sometimes I feel
Speaker 2: for them because they don't have the ritual of coming out.
Speaker 2: It's like if you're rockabilly, well, imagine being rockabilly in
Speaker 2: today's climate.
Speaker 1: I mean you're ostracized more than queer beer.
Speaker 2: I think I fel this way about gamers.
Speaker 1: Game that's right, gamers have to come out, what other
Speaker 1: kind of straight people have to come out.
Speaker 2: And they never stopped coming out.
Speaker 3: Often unsolicited, they successfully appropriated that appropriated.
Speaker 2: Yeah for sure, that is really true.
Speaker 1: Yeah, wow, well should we do we we were sort
Speaker 1: of thinking, do you think we can do I think
Speaker 1: we should do it. We're trying to think of a
Speaker 1: good segment for National coming Out and we were like, okay, like,
Speaker 1: there are so many different ways you can come out
Speaker 1: and there's no right way. You can quote me on that,
Speaker 1: and so we were thinking of all the different ways
Speaker 1: people we know have come out and whether they are
Speaker 1: gay or straight. So we're gonna give Raquel a series
Speaker 1: of sort of ways that you can come out and
Speaker 1: then we can all chat through whether they are gay
Speaker 1: or straight. Are you ready love it?
Speaker 3: Let's do it?
Speaker 1: Okay, Raquel.
Speaker 3: Gay?
Speaker 1: Okay? Coming out via a heartfelt conversation with your accepting
Speaker 1: progressive mom.
Speaker 3: That's oh. I guess it depends on the era. I
Speaker 3: felt like that's straight yet struggle can you Yeah, you're
Speaker 3: day and not struggle a bit.
Speaker 2: It's very Disney movie exactly. It's it's to be consumed.
Speaker 1: Yeah, come on, we need there's no narrative there. You
Speaker 1: have to overcome something, right.
Speaker 3: Okay, maybe let's make it up.
Speaker 2: No, that's true, Okay, okay, okay, here's another one, coming
Speaker 2: out via a heart warring but emotionally stunted conversation with
Speaker 2: your progressive dad.
Speaker 3: Okay, now, yes, that's like right on the nosegay. That
Speaker 3: might be the gayest thing you can do. Yeah.
Speaker 1: To have to talk about sexuality with your father in
Speaker 1: any way, even if you're straight, yeah, can be traumatizing.
Speaker 2: One of the darker relationships in my mind is when
Speaker 2: a dad really want to talk to their son about sex.
Speaker 1: When my dad told me after I came out to
Speaker 1: my dad, he decided that the best thing to do
Speaker 1: would be to watch a bunch of queer movies. But
Speaker 1: he was not looking. He was just googling gay movies
Speaker 1: and he was not like looking into whether they were
Speaker 1: like critically acclaimed or you know whatever. And so he
Speaker 1: watched that movie weekend. Oh sure includes I don't know
Speaker 1: if we're allowed to say this in the Chase Bunster event,
Speaker 1: but it includes bodily fluids Out and Proud a national
Speaker 1: coming out Day. And then he goes, that was one
Speaker 1: of the better movies I've seen on the subject.
Speaker 3: And that was how your father came out.
Speaker 1: Talk about Okay, I was like very sophisticate, very Sundance
Speaker 1: film festival of you to be like, well, I have
Speaker 1: to watch a critically acclaimed mumblecore film about two gay
Speaker 1: guys in London.
Speaker 2: Wow. Yeah, well that's amazing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well anyway, well anyway, okay, Raquel here, Okay, coming
Speaker 1: out at a school assembly.
Speaker 3: I mean that feels gay, but very like mid two
Speaker 3: thousands gay, you know, to.
Speaker 1: Want an audience is gay? Yeah, I actually think it's
Speaker 1: so much more, you know, I think it's so much
Speaker 1: more going to come out to a crowd than to
Speaker 1: an individual person because you're avoiding the vulnerability.
Speaker 2: You're immediately saying like this is a performance. I am
Speaker 2: a performer. Life is a cabarette.
Speaker 3: Exactly, and you just like strut down, you know those
Speaker 3: like tables that are jointed together, and you're like kicking
Speaker 3: off people's and the milk is flying on your bully
Speaker 3: and everything is okay.
Speaker 2: Everything is okay. I mean, to be in high school
Speaker 2: and sort of think you need to give a press
Speaker 2: conference is one of the gayer mindsets one can happen.
Speaker 3: But there's a there's a side quest here Okay. This
Speaker 3: made me think of, like, I don't know, I am
Speaker 3: this fictionalized moment where like the lunch lady is like clapping,
Speaker 3: she's happy for you. But then I think about, like
Speaker 3: how gay it us to have that like one teacher
Speaker 3: like staff member that like everyone knows it's queer, but
Speaker 3: like they can't be out. And then you like hear
Speaker 3: everything that your peers say and you're like, oh, okay,
Speaker 3: this is how you would react if I said something. Yeah,
Speaker 3: and it could be good or not.
Speaker 2: But.
Speaker 1: Yeah, certainly internal turmoil is queer, yeah, and external turmoil
Speaker 1: is straight.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: And I'm sticking by that.
Speaker 3: And shout out to my gay you know, I don't
Speaker 3: want to, but but she is queer and we know
Speaker 3: it because of Facebook, because there was a point where
Speaker 3: we all like friended our former teachers for whatever reason
Speaker 3: on Facebook. But when I came out and I got
Speaker 3: really bullied. She was the teacher that was known as
Speaker 3: like giving like the red slips to everyone just for
Speaker 3: like any little infraction, like it could have been a
Speaker 3: dress code violation. It was always a dress covidvie elation.
Speaker 3: She never gave me anymore after I came out, Like
Speaker 3: I felt so held by her not saying anything about
Speaker 3: her identity, but just not giving me a red that's
Speaker 3: really nice.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you should have taken advantage of it and shown
Speaker 1: up dressed like, you know, the chiquita banana.
Speaker 2: It's like you.
Speaker 1: Should have turned to literally like turned like Gaga looks
Speaker 1: every day. You're like, what are you gonna do? I'm queer?
Speaker 3: And that was prime Gaga time.
Speaker 1: Yes, that's right.
Speaker 2: Okay. The next one is coming out when you have
Speaker 2: approximately one beer at the after party for the high
Speaker 2: school musical where you were just doing tech by the way,
Speaker 2: and you decide this is the perfect time to tell everyone.
Speaker 3: It's gay because it's so long of a prom.
Speaker 1: You know, and I would say specifically lesbian.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah yeah, well the beer, well, I mean what
Speaker 3: about the tech?
Speaker 1: Okay, coming out via a notes app screenshot to your
Speaker 1: Instagram grid that is titled my truth.
Speaker 3: They're not really gay. I can't. I can't give them
Speaker 3: that text app.
Speaker 1: No notes app text, You need visuals.
Speaker 2: You need a video show.
Speaker 3: Now, like no queer is going to give that up?
Speaker 1: Okay, Raquel is commenting, No, you're not.
Speaker 3: All right?
Speaker 2: Okay. The next one is on a podcast interview.
Speaker 3: Depends on the podcast exactly.
Speaker 1: This could go either way.
Speaker 2: What would what would make it gayer, what would make
Speaker 2: it straighter?
Speaker 3: Coming out on Stradio Lab, They're like, maybe we've inspired
Speaker 3: some people.
Speaker 2: Yes, I think all these closes people are about to
Speaker 2: come out.
Speaker 1: Okay, what about coming out on the cover of Time
Speaker 1: magazine with the headline Yep, I'm gay.
Speaker 3: Okay, we have to give credit where credit is.
Speaker 1: I think without her there would be no notes, that right.
Speaker 3: And we're just gonna say without her, we're not going
Speaker 3: to say any names. No, but yes, I mean yes,
Speaker 3: like that, Yes, that was iconic.
Speaker 1: She gets a shovel for that.
Speaker 3: Did they know about the listeners either going to know
Speaker 3: about the shovel?
Speaker 1: Well, I assume the shovel symbolized people that have contributed
Speaker 1: to this space. But what's really amazing is that there's
Speaker 1: sort of well. Sam made the point that Donna telever side,
Speaker 1: she next to AARP, feels pointed.
Speaker 2: It feels like a read.
Speaker 1: And then there is definitely a whole road that's all
Speaker 1: brands except for Christina Aguilera. Yeah, but I'm like, imagine
Speaker 1: how powerful Christina eguire is that she's literally competing with
Speaker 1: Amazon in booking dot Com. She's like booking dot com, Honey,
Speaker 1: I'll show you who's both. I'm so happy I stuck
Speaker 1: that landing.
Speaker 2: Okay, coming out via an it Gets Better video.
Speaker 3: Vintage Okay, coming out through very explicit lyrics and a
Speaker 3: song you wrote for a major label. No, that's gotta
Speaker 3: be coded for a while. Yes, that's the gay struggle
Speaker 3: for the Superstar.
Speaker 1: Yes, it's almost like that's the notes app version of
Speaker 1: a song, like leave a little something, write my truth
Speaker 1: and nothing else.
Speaker 2: Yes, okay. By clapping back at the haters on Instagram live.
Speaker 3: And they're saying like what, like, yeah, you're right, I'm gay.
Speaker 2: They're like, I am gay.
Speaker 3: I like it. I like it.
Speaker 1: I think being confrontational when possible is the correct way
Speaker 1: to go.
Speaker 2: I mean that's sort of how I did it.
Speaker 1: Yeah. No, that's very you coded, like it's.
Speaker 3: Queerer through live because it could be temporary exactly, but
Speaker 3: like you're going to choose not to make it temporary,
Speaker 3: and you're gonna post.
Speaker 1: This exactly, and I feel like my truth notes up.
Speaker 1: It's like I'm commenting coward. Go on live, Yeah, go
Speaker 1: on live, and then I want to see your face.
Speaker 3: We want to see the anguish all of it, exactly okay.
Speaker 1: Coming out by saying you don't believe in labels after
Speaker 1: paparazzi photos were leaked.
Speaker 3: That's kind of gay. That's kind of gay. You know
Speaker 3: you got a gas a little bit, like that's reparations
Speaker 3: for us.
Speaker 2: Gas like gatekeep girlbost exactly okay, okay. By being very
Speaker 2: publicly friends with another gay celebrity and hoping people catch on.
Speaker 1: Like a that Charles, that's not Charles. What's his name? James?
Speaker 2: Charles?
Speaker 1: Who am I talking about? Wait?
Speaker 2: You mean he's the one that they would be friends with?
Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, I love that You're like make up.
Speaker 1: Wait but from no, no, I'm saying if you were friends,
Speaker 1: you were friends, like if you were not out but
Speaker 1: you started hanging out with.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, maybe you're like maybe a f F Wait
Speaker 3: say it again?
Speaker 2: Wait I lost I lost the Okay. So it's like,
Speaker 2: you come out by being very publicly friends with a
Speaker 2: gay celebrity and just like not addressing any rumors.
Speaker 3: I kind of like, I kind of like, uh, okay, okay,
Speaker 3: but then it would be funny if you came out astray.
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay. Coming out by winning an Academy Award and
Speaker 1: thinking your partner, your rock Judith.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's that's gay.
Speaker 1: Thanking Judith by name. It's brave, you're on a stage.
Speaker 2: It's cinematic.
Speaker 1: It's cinematic. Well you won for cinematography. Okay, that deserves
Speaker 1: a little more.
Speaker 2: Okay, And this one's appropriate. By using a gay slur
Speaker 2: on Watch What Happens Live and being like I can
Speaker 2: say that I'm gay.
Speaker 3: That fills a little straight somebody.
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, that is straight.
Speaker 3: And you got to get them off your back, right,
Speaker 3: you're gonna get canceled, and then you have to figure
Speaker 3: out how to get uncanceled.
Speaker 2: Apparently it's self preservation. Yeah, wow, a lot. I think
Speaker 2: we've learned a lot.
Speaker 1: Should we do our final segment? Yeah, we have a
Speaker 1: segment that we do at all our live shows, and
Speaker 1: we thought it would be especially fun to do with
Speaker 1: Raquel and I cannot wait to tell the story in
Speaker 1: this room. So this is a segment called issue There Yet.
Speaker 1: And it started because a friend of ours, her name
Speaker 1: is Celeste. They were at the Toronto Film Festival and
Speaker 1: they were there for the premiere of the Grace Jones
Speaker 1: documentary and so at this talkback, the director was like,
Speaker 1: you know, we just there's no icons like Grace Jones anymore.
Speaker 1: There's no icons like that anymore. And someone in the
Speaker 1: audience said, what about Janelle Maney And then the director said,
Speaker 1: she's not there yet? Now I am. I will not
Speaker 1: be commenting on that, and neither will Sam and we
Speaker 1: never will and we never will. But from that story,
Speaker 1: this game was born. By the way, yes, and we
Speaker 1: are on and Raquel is on record as saying she
Speaker 1: is there yet?
Speaker 2: Correct? Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So from that story we created this game called
Speaker 1: Issue There Yet. We're basically going to give Raquel a
Speaker 1: series of celebrities, people, places, things, concepts, and we'll all
Speaker 1: chat about Issue there Yet.
Speaker 2: And we've decided to do New.
Speaker 1: York and they're in New York and yes it's New
Speaker 1: York icons. So it's all New York themed tonight in
Speaker 1: honor of Stonewall.
Speaker 3: I won't be able to get home if I say
Speaker 3: the wrong answer.
Speaker 2: Okay, recalled the first one, SA Parker, is she there yet?
Speaker 3: She's there?
Speaker 1: Yeah, she's there, thank you. Oh my god, I was
Speaker 1: I was scared. I was like, she could be in here.
Speaker 1: This is exactly the kind of.
Speaker 3: Eventual She's right outside.
Speaker 2: Are you kidding me?
Speaker 1: The opening of the a Coming Out Day event at
Speaker 1: the Stonewall Visitor Center. Sarah Parker's like handing out finger food. Okay,
Speaker 1: jay Z, y'all are evil?
Speaker 2: Is she there yet?
Speaker 3: She's there?
Speaker 1: She's there, I think, jay Z.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I live in Brooklyn, Hunty, so again, I gotta
Speaker 3: get home?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think. And I think jay Z would also
Speaker 1: be an event like this because famously he has a
Speaker 1: lesbian mother.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well not all of us can say that, but.
Speaker 2: But jay Z can. Okay, the Statue of Liberty.
Speaker 1: Is she there yet?
Speaker 2: Is she there yet?
Speaker 3: Is she there? I like her? She's there, She's there.
Speaker 3: She means a lot to a lot of people.
Speaker 1: Girl, Yeah, just girl.
Speaker 3: Love a selfie near her?
Speaker 1: Oh my god, timeless gown yeah, teal colored.
Speaker 2: The tiaras a lot. But she's having fun.
Speaker 1: She's she's holding a book but not reading.
Speaker 3: Very gay there, it's upside down.
Speaker 1: She's like instagramming it with a little thing of coffee.
Speaker 3: Okay, Patty, she's and she's there again, Honey. I'm loving
Speaker 3: Agatha all the way. Yes, yeah, Witches are there too.
Speaker 1: Witches are there? You know? I read that it's goth
Speaker 1: girl fall in some failing publication.
Speaker 3: I feel bad about the autumn. She's like the autumn
Speaker 3: girl bottomn ball girl.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, oh that's right. It is a direct attack
Speaker 1: on her.
Speaker 3: I was too traumatized.
Speaker 1: It's like Christian right, right, right, for sure?
Speaker 2: Okay, Pizza Rat, is she there yet?
Speaker 3: She's not there? I don't think I'm not going to
Speaker 3: give it.
Speaker 1: She had one single, yeah right, Pizza Rat was giving
Speaker 1: industry plan to me. I'm like, there is no way
Speaker 1: all of you find this so funny. It's not that funny.
Speaker 2: It's like a pizza Yeah. That may be mad.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but if it was, you know, like if we
Speaker 3: knew what kind of it was giving, maybe maybe that's right.
Speaker 1: Okay, Okay, this is a classic New York figure, a
Speaker 1: French influencer taking a selfie on a rooftop bar in Williamsburg.
Speaker 2: Is she there yet?
Speaker 3: She's not.
Speaker 2: She's not, She's not.
Speaker 3: She was in Bushwick.
Speaker 1: Maybe that's true.
Speaker 2: And maybe if she was at a mead bar that
Speaker 2: would be amazing. Yeah, you guys don't know about mead bars. Okay,
Speaker 2: midtown crowd, okay, sex and the city. Is she there yet?
Speaker 3: She's there? But I'm traumatized by her. But she's there.
Speaker 2: She that's like why she's there, like the way that
Speaker 2: she can cause trauma, and like how I keep going back.
Speaker 2: That's someone who's there.
Speaker 1: But yes, I want to ask a follow up question,
Speaker 1: which is, can you please ring from Gata straight the
Speaker 1: Four Women of Sex and the City.
Speaker 3: Oh from Gaeta strait. Oh, well, Miranda's gayest for sure? Okay,
Speaker 3: that should I never understood what was going on there,
Speaker 3: I want to say. I want to say Charlotte a second,
Speaker 3: like there's something about like prim and proper but like
Speaker 3: secretly very clear. Wow, Samantha of course, but I know
Speaker 3: I think Samantha's on her own right.
Speaker 1: Like Samantha is a gay guy.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, so like it's it's understood.
Speaker 1: So and then carries the most carefus fully straight personal
Speaker 1: that's why shes finger food. That's right, she's such an
Speaker 1: ally that she doesn't actually know what gay is.
Speaker 2: Okay. Next one, ellis Island.
Speaker 1: Is she there yet?
Speaker 2: Is she there yet?
Speaker 3: Given the climate? She's there?
Speaker 1: That's right, she needs all the help she can gets
Speaker 1: important to take in the context, Yes, thank you, you
Speaker 1: are doing a great job of living in the context.
Speaker 2: No one has been hit with a coconut.
Speaker 1: Here okay, Oh this is a classic New York figure,
Speaker 1: a very buzzy, up and coming visual artist who is
Speaker 1: secretly the daughter of an arms dealer.
Speaker 2: Is she there yet? Who said we can't be at you?
Speaker 2: What look?
Speaker 3: Yeah? But I know what, I know what the culture love,
Speaker 3: So she's there.
Speaker 1: She's there.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: People follow her on Instagram and they're like, I know,
Speaker 1: but but she's fun.
Speaker 2: She goes live every week. Okay, the Empire, Empire State Building.
Speaker 2: Is she there yet?
Speaker 3: I felt like she fell off. She was there, but
Speaker 3: something happened.
Speaker 1: You know what's not a thing anymore is when it's
Speaker 1: different colors. That's not that used to be exciting. It
Speaker 1: used to be like it's not novel. It's like now
Speaker 1: they're doing it for like holidays no one even knows about.
Speaker 1: They're like it's neopalkan colors for National ice Cream Day,
Speaker 1: or like, no it's not.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like green for National Olive Oil Day. And
Speaker 2: why do we have olive oil Day?
Speaker 1: Break phobic? I think let's just do okay, Oh, this
Speaker 1: is my favorite one. One do you want to just
Speaker 1: end on?
Speaker 2: Oh? Do you do the last one? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Okay? Is she there yet the ball that drops on
Speaker 1: New Years? Okay, is she there yet? Okay?
Speaker 3: Wait can I make a caveat yes? Oh wait, this
Speaker 3: is only in New York because like in Georgia they
Speaker 3: drop a peach.
Speaker 1: Well that she's there.
Speaker 3: Amazing, that's there. And I'm from Georgia famously, so yeah.
Speaker 1: Oh okay. So would you say, though, between peach and ball,
Speaker 1: which one's gay or which one straighter? I think the
Speaker 1: peach is it's more relevant, you know. Like Also, by
Speaker 1: the way, New York is the big Apple. Make it
Speaker 1: an Apple at least the Charlie Apple remix playing at
Speaker 1: the dam No one has imagination anymore.
Speaker 2: They have new creative directors in this damn town.
Speaker 1: We need Hoda and Jenna doing the Apple bands while
Speaker 1: the Apple is dropping on New Years.
Speaker 3: Justice for Hodah?
Speaker 1: Yeah who was there? And actually that's on Hoda issue
Speaker 1: there yet? Yes?
Speaker 3: Yeah, all right.
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