Speaker 1: Joe Biden has officially dropped out of the presidential race. Welcome,
Speaker 1: it is Verdict with Center, Ted Cruz, Ben Ferguson with
Speaker 1: you on this special podcast. Senator, you predicted this ten
Speaker 1: months ago. It has now become a reality. Your initial reaction.
Speaker 2: Well, today is an historic day. We are one hundred
Speaker 2: and six days out from the presidential election and the
Speaker 2: Democrat nominee for president, the sitting Democrat president, is out.
Speaker 2: He will not be on the ballot, he will not
Speaker 2: be the candidate. At this point, the Democrat Party is
Speaker 2: in utter disarray. Chaos is erupting. We're going to break
Speaker 2: down exactly what is likely to happen next. We're going
Speaker 2: to walk all through the steps to expect in the
Speaker 2: one hundred and sixty days between now an election day.
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Speaker 1: All right, So let's start with what's happened over the
Speaker 1: last week. Democrats witnessed an incredible GOP convention. You and
Speaker 1: I were there. It's the most I think unity I've
Speaker 1: ever seen the Republican Party at a convention, doubtedly, and
Speaker 1: they were, I think, really concerned after the convention of
Speaker 1: a big bump. How do you reset a race you
Speaker 1: get in your new candidate. And I think they clearly
Speaker 1: saw that. We saw the big five Democratic families and
Speaker 1: the media coalesced behind forcing him to get out. I
Speaker 1: think some sort of deal had to happen to make
Speaker 1: sure that Joe Biden and his family are going to
Speaker 1: be taken care of. Kamala Harris was the obvious choice.
Speaker 1: That's now who he's endorsed, and other Democrats seem to
Speaker 1: be jumping on board.
Speaker 2: Well, listen, I think this was inevitable, as I said,
Speaker 2: as of the night of the debate, but I think
Speaker 2: the momentum of it accelerated number one with the assassination
Speaker 2: attempt on President Trump. Number two with the very successful
Speaker 2: presidential convention we just had a Milwaukee I think Democrats
Speaker 2: were in absolute panic. They were in panic earlier today,
Speaker 2: poll numbers came out of Michigan that had Trump leading
Speaker 2: Biden in Michigan by seven points. You want to talk
Speaker 2: about something to put put Democrats in cold sweats. If
Speaker 2: they're losing Michigan by seven points, go ahead and pull
Speaker 2: the curtains down, roll up the rug. It's all over.
Speaker 2: That's why they did this. That would have happened regardless,
Speaker 2: even if the debate had been even if the convention
Speaker 2: rather had been bumpy, even if Saturday in Butler, Pennsylvania
Speaker 2: had not happened. I believe we'd still have Biden out
Speaker 2: of the race. But the Democrats, we saw each of
Speaker 2: the major constituencies of the Democrat Party line up against
Speaker 2: Joe Biden in force amount. He did not want to go.
Speaker 2: He did not go willingly, but one after the other,
Speaker 2: starting with Democrats in Congress, Nancy Pelosi came out against him,
Speaker 2: Chuck Schumer came out against him, Hakeem Jeffries came out
Speaker 2: against him. And it was all self interest. All the
Speaker 2: Democrats in Congress were looking at their poles saying, holy cow,
Speaker 2: we're about to lose, and they all lined up against him.
Speaker 2: But you also saw you saw Barack Obama quietly coming
Speaker 2: out against him. He put out a quick tweet in
Speaker 2: support of him, but he also signed off on George
Speaker 2: Clooney representing Hollywood abandoning him, saying Joe, get out. We
Speaker 2: saw the corporate media uniformly pushing him out, We saw
Speaker 2: the donors pushing him out, and the pressure became too
Speaker 2: much to bear. One senator after another senator after another
Speaker 2: senator on the Democrat side, Biden didn't have a choice.
Speaker 2: But I will say it was very savvy of them
Speaker 2: to wait until after this convention. But let's let's just
Speaker 2: first go with the news. So today, here's what Joe
Speaker 2: Biden put out this afternoon. This is the letter he
Speaker 2: put out. He tweeted it out. This This screenshot is
Speaker 2: from twelve forty six pm. Interestingly enough, it had ninety
Speaker 2: five point nine million views already. Yeah, I just checked
Speaker 2: a minute ago, where about two hours later it was
Speaker 2: up to one hundred and sixty one million views. This
Speaker 2: is his resignation letter. And rather than you and me
Speaker 2: read it, which which should be fine, but we'd have
Speaker 2: to say words that are demonstrably untrue, things claiming that
Speaker 2: Biden had actually done something well, that his record was
Speaker 2: something other than the train record is, rather than you
Speaker 2: or me read it, I think we're better off engaging
Speaker 2: in a bit of schadenfreud and so watching Jensaki on MSNBC.
Speaker 1: Rea Umber White House Press Secretary, Joe Biden's press secretary,
Speaker 1: having to carry the water, and.
Speaker 2: I gotta say, look, since I said that there are
Speaker 2: a number of lies about his record, Jensaki is actually
Speaker 2: quite accomplished at reading lies. But for those of you
Speaker 2: watching this as a video pod, so this is one.
Speaker 2: We do this podcast three days a week. All three
Speaker 2: of them are on audio, typically one a week is
Speaker 2: on video. This is one of the video and audiopods.
Speaker 2: And I will say, if you're listening on audio, I'd
Speaker 2: encourage you to go to YouTube and watch it on
Speaker 2: video because to watch Jensaki's face, you cannot fully appreciate
Speaker 2: the agony without watching it as she's reading these words,
Speaker 2: and as we're watching the Democrat Party light itself on fire. Here,
Speaker 2: give a listen, give a watch.
Speaker 3: We have breaking news here. President Biden has announced he
Speaker 3: will stand down from the race. We're going to read
Speaker 3: the statement here.
Speaker 2: Her expression, which is actually frozen on the screen right now,
Speaker 2: she's about to cry.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean she's like, what has just happened to
Speaker 1: my world?
Speaker 2: No? No, no, it is that's all right, go ahead and
Speaker 2: keep playing.
Speaker 3: We also have Tim Miller, who's going to be joining
Speaker 3: us shortly. Over the past, my fellow Americans, over the
Speaker 3: past three and a half years, we have made great
Speaker 3: progress as a nation. Today, America has the strongest economy
Speaker 3: in the world. We've made historic investments in rebuilding our nation,
Speaker 3: in lowering prescription drug costs for seniors, and in expanding
Speaker 3: affordable healthcare to a record number of Americans. We've provided
Speaker 3: critically needed care to you have a million veterans exposed
Speaker 3: to toxic substances. Past the first thank you so much.
Speaker 3: I'm just going to read off the paper here, past
Speaker 3: the first safety law in thirty years, appointed the first
Speaker 3: African American woman to the Supreme Court, and passed the
Speaker 3: most significant climate legislation in the history of the world.
Speaker 1: I mean, really, that's I mean, she just goes straight
Speaker 1: into it and is like totally lost, like what just
Speaker 1: happened to us?
Speaker 2: Well, Joe Biden has suspended as you and I predicted
Speaker 2: ten months ago, as you and I predicted a month
Speaker 2: ago on the debate, and he will not be on
Speaker 2: the ballot. That has never happened before. You know, the
Speaker 2: closest analog is the nineteen sixty eight Democrat convention, which
Speaker 2: was in Chicago as well. That is the last time
Speaker 2: you had an incumbent Democrat president and that case Lyndon B. Johnson. Yeah,
Speaker 2: not run for reelection. Now, Lyndon B. Johnson, Why did
Speaker 2: he not run for reelection? A big part of it
Speaker 2: is he'd lost the support of the American people. He'd
Speaker 2: lost the sport of a Republic of independence and Democrats
Speaker 2: and when you lose all of them, there ain't nobody left.
Speaker 2: It was the middle of the Vietnam War. Unlike Joe Biden,
Speaker 2: it was not that he was too old. It was
Speaker 2: just that he was physically worn down and tired, and
Speaker 2: he'd lost the American people, and so LBJ didn't run,
Speaker 2: and you had you want to talk about an incredibly
Speaker 2: contentious election. In that election, there was a guy named
Speaker 2: Robert F. Kennedy who was running. That tragically is the
Speaker 2: election cycle where Bobby Kennedy was assassinated in the course
Speaker 2: of the cycle. But he was for a period the
Speaker 2: rising star. You ended up having lbj's vice president, Hubert Humphrey,
Speaker 2: got the nomination, but it was an incredibly close and
Speaker 2: contested race because you had a challenge from the left
Speaker 2: and a challenge from the left over Vietnam a chaotic convention,
Speaker 2: and outside you had rabid protesters engaged in violence and rioting.
Speaker 2: Think we may literally be seeing history repeating itself.
Speaker 1: Let's talk about and there's two aspects of what I'm
Speaker 1: about to ask you. Number One, we see early on,
Speaker 1: I think the front runner is Kamla Harris. We see
Speaker 1: people coalescing behind her. But the real question is how
Speaker 1: did she get that support so quickly from this president?
Speaker 1: What is the deal that's being done behind the scenes?
Speaker 1: Was this White House staffers making sure, Hey, I want
Speaker 1: to stay in and keep my power, I have a
Speaker 1: better chance of keeping it with Coma than going with
Speaker 1: somebody else. All these people and jobs in around Biden
Speaker 1: hare so like, hey, I can keep my power if
Speaker 1: she's the person or was it hey He's saying, okay,
Speaker 1: I trust you Coma to take care of me, protect
Speaker 1: my son, possibly give out clem and see or pardons
Speaker 1: that may be needed down the road. How did the
Speaker 1: sausage get made on this deal?
Speaker 2: All right, Well, let's go back to Biden's resignation letter.
Speaker 2: Put that back up there. If you look at the
Speaker 2: resignation letter that when he put it out earlier today,
Speaker 2: he says, and I'm going to finish reading from where
Speaker 2: we cut off on Jensaki. It's been the greatest honor
Speaker 2: of my life to serve as your president. And while
Speaker 2: it has been my intention to seek reelection, the damned
Speaker 2: Democrats dromad of office. No, you didn't say that, he says.
Speaker 2: I believe it isn't the best interest of my party,
Speaker 2: notice his party first, yep, and the country for me
Speaker 2: to stand down and focus solely on fulfilling my duties
Speaker 2: as president for the remainder of my term. I will
Speaker 2: speak to the nation later this week in more detail
Speaker 2: about my decision. For now, let me express my deepest
Speaker 2: gratitude to all those who work so hard to see
Speaker 2: me reelect it. I want to thank Vice President Kamala
Speaker 2: Harris for being an extraordinary partner in all this work.
Speaker 2: And let me express my heartfelt appreciation to the American
Speaker 2: people for the faith and trust you have placed in me. Now.
Speaker 2: Interestingly enough, in this resignation letter, you notice what he
Speaker 2: doesn't do.
Speaker 1: I fully endorse.
Speaker 2: He doesn't mention endorsement at all. He says. I want
Speaker 2: to thank Kamala Harris, and he's silent. Now he puts
Speaker 2: that out, and I'm assuming when he puts that out,
Speaker 2: the powers that be in the White House and in
Speaker 2: the Democratic Party freaked the hell out. Yeah, lost their minds,
Speaker 2: lost their minds. And so shortly thereafter, look at the
Speaker 2: tweet he put out as a follow up, like it
Speaker 2: says something your resignation letter. It's kind of odd to
Speaker 2: need a follow up.
Speaker 1: And then a quick follow up at that very quick.
Speaker 2: Follow up, but there was enough time. That other one
Speaker 2: was twelve forty six. This is one thirteen, so you
Speaker 2: know time passed. And then he sends out another tweet.
Speaker 2: My fellow Democrats, I've decided not to accept the nomination
Speaker 2: to focus all my energies on my duties as president
Speaker 2: for the remainder of my term. Notice that was in
Speaker 2: his letter.
Speaker 1: Yep.
Speaker 2: My very first decision as the party nominee in twenty
Speaker 2: twenty was to pick Kamala Harris as my vice president.
Speaker 2: And it's the best decision I've made today. I want
Speaker 2: to offer my full support and endorsement for Kamala to
Speaker 2: be the nominee of our party this year. Democrats, it's
Speaker 2: time to come together and beat Trump. Let's do this.
Speaker 1: So delayed reaction.
Speaker 2: So at this point, Kamala is clearly the front runner.
Speaker 2: Joe Biden is explicitly supporting her. In the time that followed,
Speaker 2: Bill Clinton came out in support of her, Hillary Clinton
Speaker 2: came out in support of her. Alex Soros has come
Speaker 2: out in support of her.
Speaker 1: Alex, by the way, maybe one of the most important
Speaker 1: actual endorsements because it's follow the money well.
Speaker 2: And look, George Soros has been the most important donor
Speaker 2: behind not just the Democrat Party, but the radical leftist,
Speaker 2: the cultural Marxist, the anti Semitic protesters on campus. Soros
Speaker 2: has been funding all of that. According to multiple reports,
Speaker 2: George Soros's mental condition and mental deterioration is at least
Speaker 2: where Biden's is, if not substantially worse. And it's the
Speaker 2: son Alex Soros is the one that's now making the decision.
Speaker 2: So understand when Alex Soros tweets out that he's behind
Speaker 2: Kamala Harris, what he's saying is the money is behind
Speaker 2: Kamala Harris. You're going to see a lot of that now.
Speaker 2: Interestingly enough, there's some other Democrats who are not quick
Speaker 2: to get on board. So, for example, take a look
Speaker 2: at what Gavin Newsom tweeted, President Biden has been an
Speaker 2: extraordinary history making president, a leader who has fought hard
Speaker 2: for working people and delivered astonishing results for all Americans.
Speaker 2: He will go down in history as one of the
Speaker 2: most impactful and selfless presidents. Thank you, Joe Biden.
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's not much of an endorsement.
Speaker 2: There is though, whose name's not there? Yeah, Kamala and
Speaker 2: interesting enough. Now, look, Gavin is not lacking an ambition.
Speaker 1: That's the very PC way of putting it. I like
Speaker 1: that it He's like, let's go to the convention, let's
Speaker 1: have this thing out.
Speaker 2: It'll be interesting. And by the way, earlier today there
Speaker 2: were was all sorts of chatter that Hillary Clinton was
Speaker 2: going to make a play for this. It is interesting
Speaker 2: that she and Bill came out very quickly and said
Speaker 2: let's get behind Kamala. I'm going to see lots of chatter.
Speaker 2: There are Democrats talking about wanting to have a open convention,
Speaker 2: a sort of mini primary battle, have the delegates decide
Speaker 2: under DNC rules. Initially, the delegates will vote. It's being
Speaker 2: speculated that Biden will release his delegates and say vote
Speaker 2: for whom you want, and there may be a process.
Speaker 2: They may do a process where Kamala RAN's and a
Speaker 2: handful of other people ron and they have a first ballot.
Speaker 2: Under the DNC rules, the so called super delegates. Those
Speaker 2: include things like governors, things like senators. They don't vote
Speaker 2: until the second ballot, So the first ballot is the
Speaker 2: actual elected delegates. And if they were elected to support
Speaker 2: Joe Biden, if they've been released here whatever they want,
Speaker 2: they can do whatever they want. I think at the
Speaker 2: end of the day, there's gonna be a little bit
Speaker 2: of noise, there's gonna be a little bit of squawking.
Speaker 2: But I stand by my prediction from day one that
Speaker 2: there is one person, in one person only for whom
Speaker 2: the Democrats will be willing to push Kamala Harris aside,
Speaker 2: and that is Michelle Obama. It doesn't appear right now
Speaker 2: that Michelle is willing to get in now, that could
Speaker 2: be on August surprise. We've got nearly a month until
Speaker 2: the Democrat Convention.
Speaker 1: Can we just talk horse trading so people understand what
Speaker 1: this is gonna look like for the next thirty days.
Speaker 1: Behind the scenes, delegates now have the power to pick
Speaker 1: who the president could be. Yep.
Speaker 2: And by the way, Why is that because the Democrat Party. Look,
Speaker 2: they knew that Joe Biden was mentally incompetent. They knew
Speaker 2: a year ago. They ran him anyway. They had the voters,
Speaker 2: all the Democrat voters come vote for him, even though
Speaker 2: they knew he was mentally incompetent, that he couldn't do
Speaker 2: the job now. He couldn't do the job then, but
Speaker 2: they wanted power. The only thing that changed is with
Speaker 2: the debate, it became untenable. The American people realized this
Speaker 2: guy is not capable of doing the job anymore. It
Speaker 2: was only because they feared they were going to lose
Speaker 2: that the Democrats have abandoned him. But the consequence of
Speaker 2: that is the Democrats were perfectly fine with Democrat primary
Speaker 2: voters being completely disenfranchised. You will not get to select
Speaker 2: the Democrat nominee ya.
Speaker 1: This person will be elected by no one in the public.
Speaker 1: It will all be done with horse trading that can
Speaker 1: happen on.
Speaker 2: A handful of elite's, a handful of special interest, which
Speaker 2: actually is pretty typical of who the Democrat Party is
Speaker 2: actually true, the irony is that they engage in Freudian
Speaker 2: projection at an historic level where everything they accuse their
Speaker 2: opponents of is what they're doing. But Democrat primary voters
Speaker 2: will have no say in who the nominee is. It
Speaker 2: will be powerbrokers in Chicago.
Speaker 1: So let's just paint behind the scenes so people understand
Speaker 1: the corruption that can come out of this. If you
Speaker 1: need delegates to get the nomination and you coalesce in
Speaker 1: smaller groups and then you go forward and say hey,
Speaker 1: I'm so and so I'm representing thirty five people in
Speaker 1: this state California. You can't win without us. I would
Speaker 1: like this, and this person would like this, and this
Speaker 1: person will like this, and this person would like this,
Speaker 1: and their kids would like these jobs in the White House.
Speaker 1: If you give us this, you get all of our votes.
Speaker 1: That is exactly what we've seen happen at state level.
Speaker 1: We've seen corruption happen in a way when they're replacing
Speaker 1: a seat.
Speaker 2: Hey, Rodygoievitch went to jail for basically selling a Senate seat.
Speaker 2: This is going to happen now one hundred thousand times over.
Speaker 2: And by the way, put on top of that, the
Speaker 2: big labor unions and the big money players, and the
Speaker 2: Democrats party so corrupt, and the Sierra Club and the
Speaker 2: pro abortion groups and all of the difference. The Democrat
Speaker 2: Party today is a coalition of rent seekers, of people
Speaker 2: who make their money suckling off the teet of government.
Speaker 2: That's who they are, and it is all about power
Speaker 2: and influence. Many of them. The reason they were willing
Speaker 2: to back someone who was obviously not mentally competent to
Speaker 2: be president is because they all stayed in power. Now
Speaker 2: suddenly Joe Biden is going to be gone, and so
Speaker 2: they're all desperately scrambling how do I keep my power?
Speaker 2: And we're going to see that play out. What I
Speaker 2: think will happen at the end of the day, I think,
Speaker 2: number one, the Democrats are too much of racial and
Speaker 2: gender being counters to push an African American woman aside
Speaker 2: for a white guy. So anyone looking at Gavin Newsom
Speaker 2: or anyone else, I just don't think that's gonna happen.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree.
Speaker 2: That's why I think Michelle Obama is the only person
Speaker 2: who could push her aside, And at least right now,
Speaker 2: it does not see Michelle is trying to do that.
Speaker 2: If it's not Michelle, I think we will see Kamala Harrison.
Speaker 2: I think the real battle is going to be who
Speaker 2: the VP is.
Speaker 1: I want to ask you about the VP. But before
Speaker 1: we get to that, is it fair to say that
Speaker 1: this might be the most corrupt picking of a presidential
Speaker 1: candidate in modern political history because of the time that
Speaker 1: people have to build their power and to basically an essence,
Speaker 1: sell their vote.
Speaker 2: And it's perhaps now not to be fair. It hasn't
Speaker 2: happened yet, But it's all going to be behind closed doors.
Speaker 2: It's not going to be the voters. It's not going
Speaker 2: to be in public. It's one thing if you campaign,
Speaker 2: Look at some level, you could say all campaigns are
Speaker 2: in a way about buying votes. If you campaign and
Speaker 2: say I'm for Medicare for all, for socialized medicure, you're
Speaker 2: you're saying the Democrats are big on being the Santa
Speaker 2: Claus Party. We'll give you free stuff if you vote
Speaker 2: for us. That's one thing. Different level, it's a totally
Speaker 2: different if you make a public promise in the press
Speaker 2: that I will support a law that that has broad effect.
Speaker 2: You know, Joe Biden, I'm gonna give away a trillion
Speaker 2: dollars to people who have student loans.
Speaker 1: Yeah, vote for me. I'm buying your vote.
Speaker 2: That is very different from you know, Ben, you control
Speaker 2: a pocket of votes. You ever thought of being Secretary
Speaker 2: of the Navy?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: You like votes?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Or I hear there's a great house in this country.
Speaker 1: And the ambassadorship there's really fun.
Speaker 2: I mean, it's we're going to see that happening every
Speaker 2: day now, mind you. You're going to get competing people
Speaker 2: making those promises. And in terms of the vice president,
Speaker 2: that's going to be part of the negotiation is who
Speaker 2: Kamala team's up with to try to lock down lock
Speaker 2: down the power brokers in the Democrat Party. And one
Speaker 2: question is does she try to quickly buy off whoever
Speaker 2: she thinks her most formidable adversary is Possibly? Does she
Speaker 2: try to get all of the potential adversaries to compete
Speaker 2: wooing for her affection more likely, But it's going to
Speaker 2: take an entire month playing out for us to see well.
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Speaker 1: Somebody who was never on a ballot yep, that no
Speaker 1: one's ever voted for for vice president is all of
Speaker 1: a sudden going to become the vice president the United
Speaker 1: States of America, possibly certainly will be the nominee for
Speaker 1: the Democratic Party. How do they pick? I don't think
Speaker 1: a lot of people understand this. It's confusing enough picking
Speaker 1: the now Kamala Harris or whoever it's going to be.
Speaker 1: But let's say it is Kamla. It's a little bit
Speaker 1: more orderly. How the hell are we going to get
Speaker 1: the vice president? You'll pick for the Democratic Party? How
Speaker 1: does that work?
Speaker 2: Look, they're going to decide who brings the most to
Speaker 2: the ticket. Often you look at geographic concerns. Will someone
Speaker 2: put a state into play? Will someone be beneficial? Sometimes
Speaker 2: you look to things like, as someone a great fundraiser,
Speaker 2: will they bring a bunch of donors? Will they bring
Speaker 2: other interest groups on board? Sometimes you look to neutralize
Speaker 2: someone who's a potential opponent. In this instance, I think
Speaker 2: the Democrats are one hundred percent about race and gender.
Speaker 2: It's how they think. It's how they're wired. They don't
Speaker 2: look at individuals. It's DEI, so it is di I.
Speaker 2: I think the VP nominee will be a boring white guy.
Speaker 2: That's my prediction. And they're there. They actually have a
Speaker 2: number of boring white guys. So so so they have
Speaker 2: a broad.
Speaker 1: So who picks it? Is it the person who gets
Speaker 1: the nomination, So there's no voting by the delegates. To me,
Speaker 1: you don't understand the process.
Speaker 2: It will be. My guess is Kamala will announce who
Speaker 2: her VP is going to be before they vote. It
Speaker 2: could conceivably be afterwards. It depends. If there's a real contested.
Speaker 1: Battle at the convention, Uh.
Speaker 2: Then then maybe she doesn't announce it until after she's
Speaker 2: the nominee. Typically, the way it happens is the nominee
Speaker 2: is sewn up before the convention. It's been a long
Speaker 2: time since we've had a contested convention, and we've there's
Speaker 2: been uncertainty as to who the nominee is going to be.
Speaker 1: If the if the if the vote is really contentious
Speaker 1: and it's a drag out, knockdown at the convention. You're
Speaker 1: saying there's a legit possibility that whoever comes away with
Speaker 1: it will will barely survive that they get the nomination.
Speaker 1: They say, Hey, in a week or two, I'll tell
Speaker 1: you who my VP is going to be.
Speaker 2: No, no, no, I think it would be at the convention.
Speaker 2: I think it would be immediately thereafter. And if there
Speaker 2: is a real fight, I mean, one thing that has happened,
Speaker 2: you know, you could go to whoever's number two and say, look,
Speaker 2: I'll make you a VP if you drop out and
Speaker 2: endorse me, and that could be how you lock up
Speaker 2: the votes. I don't think it'll come to that. I
Speaker 2: actually think people will coalesce around Kammalin more quickly than that.
Speaker 1: Who's the front runner then right now in your mind?
Speaker 1: I mean, obviously this could change in a couple weeks.
Speaker 2: But if I'm gonna give you, I'm gonna give you
Speaker 2: two names, and why Josh Shapiro.
Speaker 1: Okay, and tell people that don't know Josh who he is.
Speaker 2: He is the governor of Pennsylvania. He is widely perceived
Speaker 2: as a moderate. He is Jewish. He was attorney general
Speaker 2: in Pennsylvania. I think what is compelling is number one.
Speaker 2: Shapiro has strong polling numbers in Pennsylvania. If the Democrats
Speaker 2: can win Pennsylvania, the path to Trump winning becomes much
Speaker 2: much harder. He's also perceived as a moderate, and I
Speaker 2: think actually naming a Jewish Democrat would help tamp down
Speaker 2: some of.
Speaker 1: The anti Semitic that they've been dealing with the last
Speaker 1: several months.
Speaker 2: Yes, and so I think all of that, if you're
Speaker 2: sitting there around Kamala, that's attractive. A second choice that
Speaker 2: I think is also very attractive as a VP is
Speaker 2: Mark Kelly. Mark Kelly is Senator from Arizona. Yeah, Mark
Speaker 2: Kelly is a Navy veteran. Mark Kelly is a former astronaut.
Speaker 2: He's been to space.
Speaker 1: He's also got a fame factor to him. Yeah.
Speaker 2: And Mark Kelly is also affable, and he seems reasonable.
Speaker 2: He doesn't seem crazy when you talk with him. I
Speaker 2: like Mark Kelly personally. He's someone he's like a Joe Manchin.
Speaker 2: It won't be Joe Manchen, but he's someone who his affect,
Speaker 2: his demeanor is very affable and if you met him
Speaker 2: on the street, you wouldn't think the guy was a Democrat.
Speaker 2: You wouldn't think that he voted with a looney left
Speaker 2: on almost everything, because he seems like a normal guy.
Speaker 2: I think that would be very attractive. And Arizona, it
Speaker 2: is not as vital as swing state as Pennsylvania doesn't
Speaker 2: have nearly as many electoral votes, but Arizona is certainly
Speaker 2: a battleground state, and Mark Kelly on the ballot could help.
Speaker 2: I would put those two as the top two.
Speaker 1: I got to ask, and where's Gavin Newsom? Is he
Speaker 1: number three? If you're going for a white guy. The
Speaker 1: argument they would say is someone says he brings California,
Speaker 1: but the reality is California. I got California anyway, exactly.
Speaker 2: So if they go Gavin Newsom, it's a combination of
Speaker 2: two things. Want one money, okay, And Newsom's got a
Speaker 2: bunch of donors who love him, who will write checks.
Speaker 2: And California is the ATM of the Democrat Party. And
Speaker 2: so now Kamala is a Californian, so she's got a
Speaker 2: lot of that money behind her also.
Speaker 1: But it neutralizes him too, right, wouldn't that be the perk?
Speaker 1: Because then you'd have to worry about him in four.
Speaker 2: Years potentially, although she doesn't worry about him in four years.
Speaker 2: If she's the incumbent president, he's not going to primary her.
Speaker 2: If she gets this and gets elected, Newsom doesn't get
Speaker 2: to run.
Speaker 1: For eight years.
Speaker 2: That that's just it, just that's how it's going to
Speaker 2: knocks that down down the road. Look, Newsome, I think
Speaker 2: is perceived as too liberal. My guess is they're not
Speaker 2: going to be that worried about money. And the other
Speaker 2: reason you would go with Newsom is he's talented. I
Speaker 2: mean he is. He is a snake oil salesman par excellence.
Speaker 2: He's a communicator, he's slick. He can be a.
Speaker 1: Great campaigner because peop would show up to see him.
Speaker 1: In the Democratic Party, that's important too, right, I mean,
Speaker 1: you you have an event and your VP is popular,
Speaker 1: that's good for your campaign.
Speaker 2: Look, and in many ways he would overshadow Kaml. It
Speaker 2: reminds me back in the nineteen eighty eight election. I
Speaker 2: remember Saturday Night Live was making fun as we're getting
Speaker 2: really close to the election, and you had George Bush
Speaker 2: and dan Quayle and look, people had ridiculed dan Quail enormously.
Speaker 2: And so what what SNL did is the ballots is
Speaker 2: the party of parties have requested they be printed and
Speaker 2: the Republican side had Bush and giant letters and quail
Speaker 2: and tiny letters. And then on the Democrat side you
Speaker 2: had Michael Dacaccas, who rode in a tank with a
Speaker 2: helmet and looked ridiculous. And then Lloyd Benson, it was
Speaker 2: the Texas senator who was moderate well received, was going
Speaker 2: over well. SNL did the Battle of Docacas, tiny little
Speaker 2: letter and Benson. Yeah, that could happen. Kamala could be
Speaker 2: worried about is the risk that Gavin would would overshadow her.
Speaker 2: And that's why I think Shapiro or Kelly are more likely.
Speaker 2: I'd be surprised. I don't think she thinks she needs
Speaker 2: the money, and I think the downside she would perceive
Speaker 2: is greater.
Speaker 1: All right, let's talk about the media, because what we're
Speaker 1: going to see right now, and this is my biggest concern.
Speaker 1: You and I talked about this in Milwaukee. If Biden
Speaker 1: dropped out. Now it's Biden has dropped out. It's a
Speaker 1: complete reset, yes, of this presidential campaign, the polls, and
Speaker 1: I want to be very clear to our audience. This
Speaker 1: is my opinion. I don't know if you agree with
Speaker 1: me or not. I want to know your take on
Speaker 1: it are completely meaningless and worthless right now.
Speaker 2: Correct.
Speaker 1: The only poll that's going to matter is the first
Speaker 1: poll after we find out who the Democrats actually pounds.
Speaker 2: Even that poll's not going to matter. And and listen,
Speaker 2: this is something you and I talked about in our
Speaker 2: last podcast. We did two podcasts live from the convention.
Speaker 2: I love the convention. It was a blast. It's the
Speaker 2: best Republican convention. I've ever seen, more unity than I've
Speaker 2: ever seen. However, I was very worried at the convention,
Speaker 2: and I expressed this to you at the time, which
Speaker 2: is I am afraid people were over confident at the
Speaker 2: convention that there was an air of celebration. It was
Speaker 2: We've won, We're on to victory. This is a landslide.
Speaker 2: Trump's coming back in. We've got a huge Republican majority.
Speaker 2: He heard people talking about it. Fifty five to fifty
Speaker 2: six Republican senators, huge Republican house. Like people were planning,
Speaker 2: people were talking about, all right, who's gonna be Secretary
Speaker 2: of State, who's gonna be Secretary of Defense? Like they're handing.
Speaker 1: Already moved on. Yeah, we wanted now what's next? And
Speaker 1: that's not the case.
Speaker 2: And my view, and I was trying to say this
Speaker 2: is Look, there's a time for celebration, celebrate after election day,
Speaker 2: celebrate after we've won. Now is not the time for celebration.
Speaker 2: Now's the time for hard work. Now's the time for
Speaker 2: rolling up your sleeves and going to win. And my
Speaker 2: assumption is coming out of the convention, Republicans will get
Speaker 2: a little bounce. You know, historically it's about four points,
Speaker 2: is what you get out of your convention. I think
Speaker 2: it was a strong convention. So let's assume that happens
Speaker 2: the Democrats, and I will give them credit for one thing.
Speaker 2: They're timing of releasing it right after the convention. Perfect
Speaker 2: timing to do this, because it resets the whole race.
Speaker 2: It almost doesn't matter what the bounce was out of
Speaker 2: the convention. And here's the problem. For the next month,
Speaker 2: all of the news is going to be dominated by
Speaker 2: who the Democrat is going to be. The Democrats are
Speaker 2: about to have a month long convention instead of a week.
Speaker 2: Why do you get a bounce out of a convention.
Speaker 2: You get a bounce out of convention because you have
Speaker 2: four days of driving the news, the earn media every
Speaker 2: night of your people on TV pitching all of the
Speaker 2: benefits of your nominee, all the benefits of your record,
Speaker 2: all the benefits of your agenda. Instead of a four
Speaker 2: day convention, the Democrats are about to have a month
Speaker 2: long convention where every news story will be focused on
Speaker 2: who the nominee is gonna be. And they're also going
Speaker 2: to be doing a combination of number one, praising Biden.
Speaker 2: You know, it's not graceful to he's on his way out.
Speaker 2: People don't want to criticize him anymore.
Speaker 1: We're going to They did this for America.
Speaker 2: He's historic, He's one of the greatest presidents of the
Speaker 2: history of the universe. I mean, you're gonna hear all
Speaker 2: of that effusively, and then they're going to talk about
Speaker 2: what an historic president Kamala Harris would be and it's
Speaker 2: going to be a month long We're going to see.
Speaker 1: Multi I would argue multi billion dollar in kind contribution.
Speaker 2: And by the way, Republicans, I worry vastly underestimate Kamala
Speaker 2: Harris that they don't think very highly of her. They
Speaker 2: don't think she's terribly bright. When you or I bring
Speaker 2: up Kamala Harris's name in Republican circles, people. It's immediately
Speaker 2: a punch line. I think people are underestimating what billions
Speaker 2: of dollars of free media, of the entire corrupt corporate
Speaker 2: media complex. Pitching her as a combination of Mother Teresa,
Speaker 2: Oprah and Gandhi.
Speaker 1: I mean, and save the party.
Speaker 2: It's going to be and young and vibrant, and it's historic.
Speaker 2: I mean it is going to be now. I still
Speaker 2: think Trump wins in November. But this is not a layup.
Speaker 2: It is not given in what's coming in front of us. Look,
Speaker 2: if you're a Democrat, what makes you nervous is chaos,
Speaker 2: and this much chaos one hundred days out is scary.
Speaker 2: But you know what even more scary is going to
Speaker 2: an election where you're almost certain to lose, which is
Speaker 2: where Biden was. So from their perspective, chaos and a
Speaker 2: chance to win or certain loss, they'll take chaos. But
Speaker 2: Republicans need to understand just how dangerous this is.
Speaker 1: It's all perspective in life. And I said this earlier.
Speaker 1: It's like you're on the greatest cruise ship in the
Speaker 1: world and that cruise ship's going down and a crappy
Speaker 1: little fishing boat shows up and it saves your life.
Speaker 1: You love that crappy fishing boat the rest of your life.
Speaker 1: It doesn't matter how bad it looks, how ugly it was.
Speaker 1: You just got your life saved. And that's Kamala Harris like,
Speaker 1: not a good.
Speaker 2: Time that you do not have a career as a
Speaker 2: Democrat politics ad maker. I can see the ad now,
Speaker 2: Kamala Harris the boat to save your life.
Speaker 1: To save your life. But it's perspective. I mean, that's
Speaker 1: what they're dealing with. I know, right, But she didn't
Speaker 1: even make it. I mean, I go back to when
Speaker 1: she was running. She got zero delegates, correct, and she
Speaker 1: was a terrible kennet. But when you're now in the
Speaker 1: position of that boat sinking and I'm the only one
Speaker 1: that's got doesn't have a hole in the boat, I'm
Speaker 1: pretty I'm pretty appealing to everybody on that boat, and
Speaker 1: I love you, and I'm willing to swim to you,
Speaker 1: and I'm willing to hug you and kiss you and
Speaker 1: say thank you for saving my life. It's all perspective.
Speaker 1: And that's what the media is going to do to her,
Speaker 1: is say she just saved us from guaranteed to fate defeat.
Speaker 1: She is a savior to the Democratic Party. We love
Speaker 1: her and they're all going to be energized. That terrifies me.
Speaker 2: Yeah, energized. And once she's the nominee, unified. You know,
Speaker 2: one thing to keep in mind. People are focused on, oh, money,
Speaker 2: and Trump has a money advantage. Put yourself in the
Speaker 2: mindset of a Democrat gazillionaire, of a Democrat activist, of
Speaker 2: a Democrat union boss, of a Democrat special interest leader.
Speaker 2: A week ago, you were depressed, you were demoralizing, you
Speaker 2: were contemplating America run by Hitler. And by the way,
Speaker 2: if you're one of those people you think Donald Trump
Speaker 2: is Adolf Hitler. Yeah, but look like you were just
Speaker 2: I don't even know if I want to show up
Speaker 2: and vote. It's terrible. It's horrible. And now to go
Speaker 2: back to the sinking cruise ship, you've been thrown a lifeline.
Speaker 2: I think we're going to see jubilation on the Democrat side.
Speaker 2: That's dangerous too, you know, jubilation.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: What happens is donors pull out their checks and they
Speaker 2: write really big checks when they're massive. What happens is
Speaker 2: activists go and they work harder, they turn more people out,
Speaker 2: and that particularly if the Republicans are over confident. We
Speaker 2: cannot be over confident. That combination is dangerous. And you
Speaker 2: know what, it reminds me of, potentially I hope this
Speaker 2: is not right, but it reminds me of a few
Speaker 2: years ago, the A and M versus Alabama game. I
Speaker 2: was there at the A and M versus Alabama game.
Speaker 2: Alabama at the time was the number one team in
Speaker 2: the country. You have me at sports analogy. I'm all
Speaker 2: in now A and M. A and M had started
Speaker 2: off as a top twenty five team and had a
Speaker 2: good team, but it had lost two games in a row. Yep,
Speaker 2: two opponents that weren't wasn't supposed to lose. I think
Speaker 2: maybe Mississippi State.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was bad.
Speaker 2: It was bad. And so we came into the game
Speaker 2: and I was there in College Station, and I remember
Speaker 2: saying to my buddies I was at the game with,
Speaker 2: I said, you know what, I think A and M
Speaker 2: has a real chance to win this game because I
Speaker 2: think Alabama's feeling like we're the number one team in
Speaker 2: the country and these A and M guys suck. Look
Speaker 2: at look they're losing to teams that are not contenders.
Speaker 2: This is easy. We're playing a junior high team, and
Speaker 2: I think the Aggies were pissed off or they were
Speaker 2: at Kyle Field and they were defending their home and
Speaker 2: they were mad because everyone was dismissing them as a
Speaker 2: joke and they're like, wait a second, We're a top
Speaker 2: tier football team. And they ended up winning that game.
Speaker 2: It was awesome. Forty one thirty eight was the final score.
Speaker 2: Kyle Field erupted. I don't want to see the Democrats
Speaker 2: playing the role of A and M in that dynamic,
Speaker 2: and so my message to Republicans is do not behave
Speaker 2: like this is in the bag, because that's one of
Speaker 2: the easiest ways to ensure it's not in the bag.
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Speaker 2: So look, I'd say forty percent you campaign against Kamala Harris,
Speaker 2: you assume it's Kamala, and sixty percent you campaign against
Speaker 2: the Democrats record. And I will say I've been concerned
Speaker 2: in recent weeks and months that we've spent too much
Speaker 2: time attacking Joe Biden for his mental diminishment and not
Speaker 2: enough time making the case as as you and I
Speaker 2: often do, that the Biden Harris Democrat record has been
Speaker 2: a train wreck. And I say Democrat record because it's
Speaker 2: not just Joe Biden, it's Kamala Harris, and it's every
Speaker 2: single Democrat in Congress, every Democrat senator, every Democrat House member.
Speaker 2: They voted repeatedly in favor of the spending and the
Speaker 2: debt that is causing inflation. They voted repeatedly in favor
Speaker 2: of Biden's war on oil and gas and energy that
Speaker 2: is causing energy prices to skyrocket. They voted repeatedly in
Speaker 2: favor of open borders that's endangering our families across this country.
Speaker 2: They voted repeatedly in favor of letting violent criminals out
Speaker 2: of jail. That is again endangering our families. They voted
Speaker 2: repeatedly in favor of appeasing our enemies and undermining our allies.
Speaker 2: And so from the Trump's campaign, I would assume it's Kamala,
Speaker 2: but also make the broader point it is their agenda
Speaker 2: that has failed the American people. The classic question in
Speaker 2: any election, are you better off now than you were
Speaker 2: four years ago? It doesn't matter what fill in the
Speaker 2: blank democrat they drop into that slot, they're going to
Speaker 2: be defending the same disastrous, failed record. And so I
Speaker 2: hope the Trump campaign and I hope Republicans generally make
Speaker 2: that case substantively. On on the.
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Speaker 2: Yes, let me make a final statement.
Speaker 1: I like this.
Speaker 2: I'm going to place the odds that Joe Biden pardons
Speaker 2: Hunter Biden at one hundred point zero percent, Hunter Biden
Speaker 2: will get a pardon as a result of this decision today,
Speaker 2: will not happen till after election day.
Speaker 1: That's what I was gonna ask, when's the happening.
Speaker 2: He's not gonna do it. He's not gonna do it
Speaker 2: before election day, but he's gonna stick around and after
Speaker 2: election day. I believe it is now one hundred percent
Speaker 2: that Joe Biden will pardon Hunter.
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