WEBVTT - Dare 0:00:00.240 --> 0:00:04.040 Of the law and Order franchises. SVU is considered especially watchable. 0:00:04.280 --> 0:00:06.840 We are the amateur detectives who kind of investigate the 0:00:06.920 --> 0:00:08.879 vicious felonies. These episodes are based on. 0:00:09.200 --> 0:00:10.320 These are our stories. 0:00:10.680 --> 0:00:31.600 Done done, Hello, and welcome to That's Messed Up sv Podcast. 0:00:31.760 --> 0:00:34.239 I'm Kara Klank and I'm Liza Traeger. 0:00:34.400 --> 0:00:38.479 We talk SVU, true crime up top, We gab, we gossip, 0:00:38.560 --> 0:00:41.360 we chit chat. Right now, it's hard to even come 0:00:41.440 --> 0:00:45.199 up with anything besides dexter to talk about. But I 0:00:45.280 --> 0:00:49.000 will prevail. So I did watch Copycat, and I've been 0:00:49.080 --> 0:00:49.840 dying to tell you. 0:00:49.760 --> 0:00:53.760 That, which ever since we had William McNamara on our podcast, 0:00:54.480 --> 0:00:57.600 I've been seeing a bunch of stuff about how like 0:00:59.120 --> 0:01:01.480 that movie got on Netflix, and I think it found 0:01:01.480 --> 0:01:03.160 like a little bit of like a resurgence, like people 0:01:03.200 --> 0:01:04.800 have been watching. That's how I watched it. I watched 0:01:04.920 --> 0:01:07.559 Netflix and it's good. 0:01:07.600 --> 0:01:10.840 I mean, it's very it's what is it, early nineties, 0:01:10.920 --> 0:01:11.839 late ladies, it's. 0:01:11.760 --> 0:01:14.759 Very overly yeah, early nineties, early nineties. Yeah, it's very 0:01:15.440 --> 0:01:16.080 of the time. 0:01:16.400 --> 0:01:19.840 Billy McNamara, former part of the Hattie, I didn't remember, 0:01:19.920 --> 0:01:21.679 like I kind of didn't recognize him. 0:01:21.680 --> 0:01:22.880 He's like a sexy killer. 0:01:22.959 --> 0:01:25.759 It would have sucked, but watching the blue like Windex 0:01:25.800 --> 0:01:28.920 that he was putting in, like, yeah, oh it. 0:01:28.920 --> 0:01:30.679 Actually came out in ninety five. So I was like 0:01:30.720 --> 0:01:33.800 fourteen when I first saw Copycat, and I was terrified. 0:01:34.200 --> 0:01:34.880 It's scary. 0:01:34.920 --> 0:01:37.520 It's scary for sure, and she doesn't want to leave 0:01:37.520 --> 0:01:38.000 her house. 0:01:38.080 --> 0:01:42.240 I mean, fucking who's Harry Connick Junior is a fucking freak. 0:01:42.280 --> 0:01:44.880 He's scarier than even Billy McNamara in it. 0:01:45.040 --> 0:01:49.280 Yeah, yeah, oh god, yeah, fucking Harry. So you liked it. 0:01:49.760 --> 0:01:51.880 I did like it, yay, I did like it. Like 0:01:51.920 --> 0:01:54.640 it's got like young Holly Hunter kind of playing like 0:01:54.680 --> 0:01:59.960 a and Dylan type character. Dylan mcrooney, Dylan McCrone, Dylan 0:02:00.040 --> 0:02:01.000 Dermot mulrooney. 0:02:01.440 --> 0:02:03.800 You're thinking of Dylan McDermott, which. 0:02:03.680 --> 0:02:07.720 Is a classic there Day classically get Yeah. I love 0:02:07.800 --> 0:02:10.240 that Saturday Night Live schedule where it was like Dermott, 0:02:10.280 --> 0:02:13.040 mulrooney or Dylan McDermott. 0:02:13.960 --> 0:02:15.720 Well, yeah, it was good. 0:02:16.040 --> 0:02:19.080 And then I went to see Weapons alone after my spot, 0:02:19.160 --> 0:02:21.720 so like I went to an eleven ten so. 0:02:22.360 --> 0:02:26.960 Famously, as we discussed, I think two episodes ago, maybe 0:02:27.320 --> 0:02:29.160 I had seen it before you, which is crazy and 0:02:29.160 --> 0:02:30.480 you couldn't believe I'd even gone. 0:02:30.280 --> 0:02:31.280 To see it. I can't. 0:02:31.600 --> 0:02:34.000 Yeah, but it's like, you know me, when something gets 0:02:34.040 --> 0:02:36.040 to zeitgeist, I have to go see it. 0:02:36.000 --> 0:02:37.200 It's like why I saw long. 0:02:37.080 --> 0:02:39.320 Legs, Like when people are just talking talking, I'm like, 0:02:39.360 --> 0:02:40.440 I have to go see it. And then I found 0:02:40.480 --> 0:02:42.440 out like our friend Wit is in it, and I 0:02:42.480 --> 0:02:44.160 was like, oh, I gotta go see it. So I 0:02:44.240 --> 0:02:48.160 was with my family and I went, me Jared, my brother, 0:02:48.480 --> 0:02:51.200 my twin brothers, and my sister. So it's like a 0:02:51.240 --> 0:02:55.600 family outing. My brother Kevin didn't go, but we all went. 0:02:56.840 --> 0:03:01.240 And I was told that it was that violent and 0:03:01.320 --> 0:03:06.119 mostly creepy, and I was like, okay, I mean it's creepy. 0:03:06.200 --> 0:03:07.800 But there were like three. 0:03:07.600 --> 0:03:09.680 Times I had to fully put my fucking hands in 0:03:09.760 --> 0:03:12.000 my like sweatshirt, my head in my sweatshirt, like I 0:03:12.040 --> 0:03:12.760 could not watch. 0:03:12.919 --> 0:03:15.239 I definitely screamed a few times. 0:03:15.720 --> 0:03:17.680 I was talking to someone who was like, oh, I 0:03:17.720 --> 0:03:20.480 heard weapons is scarier than Barbarian, and I said absolutely, 0:03:20.480 --> 0:03:21.560 not absolutely, Oh it's not. 0:03:21.960 --> 0:03:25.120 I haven't seen Barbarian, but I saw Companion Barbarian. 0:03:25.160 --> 0:03:30.120 No Barbarian is terrifying weapons was scary, but I kept 0:03:30.200 --> 0:03:32.960 looking for something that wasn't there, and so I'm going 0:03:33.040 --> 0:03:35.320 to see it again. After reading all my articles and 0:03:35.360 --> 0:03:37.600 like watching all the YouTube interviews. 0:03:37.080 --> 0:03:40.320 I was, what was your like overall review? I really 0:03:40.440 --> 0:03:41.840 liked it and I can't wait to see it again. 0:03:41.880 --> 0:03:44.840 And I was scared. And it's kind of like Long Legs. 0:03:44.960 --> 0:03:48.560 Sorry spoiler, like you know, fast forward thirty seconds, but 0:03:48.680 --> 0:03:50.360 I like in Long Legs, I was like, it's just 0:03:50.440 --> 0:03:52.360 the devil, babe, and I like this where it's like 0:03:52.480 --> 0:03:54.120 it's a witch, it's. 0:03:53.960 --> 0:03:57.080 A psychoash like I like that. Hate that. I feel 0:03:57.080 --> 0:03:58.560 like it's like I hate that. 0:03:58.640 --> 0:04:02.040 Okay, just like Long Legs, which is a perfect like comparison, 0:04:02.120 --> 0:04:04.360 I feel like it's way more funny and fun than 0:04:04.440 --> 0:04:05.080 Long Legs. 0:04:05.160 --> 0:04:05.640 Of course. 0:04:05.720 --> 0:04:07.920 Yeah, and I laughed, and I love the way it 0:04:07.960 --> 0:04:09.839 was shot and I love the actors, and I thought 0:04:09.840 --> 0:04:11.680 it was great in a lot of ways. I loved 0:04:11.720 --> 0:04:14.320 the principle. I loved the principle so much. Oh my god, 0:04:14.360 --> 0:04:16.960 the principle was amazing. I loved a lot of it. 0:04:17.360 --> 0:04:20.239 I loved that gay couple because I follow that boy 0:04:20.480 --> 0:04:21.560 on Instagram. 0:04:21.600 --> 0:04:24.360 The husband, Yeah, who is that he looks so familiar. 0:04:24.400 --> 0:04:26.040 I think it's clear. I don't know, but he was fun. 0:04:26.040 --> 0:04:28.080 But I liked their little matching shirt, like I liked 0:04:28.120 --> 0:04:29.040 their relationship. 0:04:29.160 --> 0:04:30.039 I liked that well. 0:04:30.480 --> 0:04:34.520 I was like in it to win it the first half, 0:04:34.760 --> 0:04:38.160 just like Long Legs both movies, Like until halfway through, 0:04:38.200 --> 0:04:41.240 I was like, I am so terrified, I am so invested. 0:04:41.360 --> 0:04:45.080 This movie looks awesome, Like what's happening? And then I 0:04:45.200 --> 0:04:49.000 kind of just feel like it's a weird cop out 0:04:49.000 --> 0:04:51.839 to just be like it's this witch, like it's you know, 0:04:52.040 --> 0:04:54.120 I just don't like, I just didn't think it paid off. 0:04:54.160 --> 0:04:56.840 I didn't think the payoff was like for how great 0:04:56.920 --> 0:04:57.600 they build that. 0:04:58.000 --> 0:05:00.200 I think that witch was amazing. 0:05:01.839 --> 0:05:06.039 I have grown with some of the internet parodies I 0:05:06.080 --> 0:05:08.839 have seen which have made me laugh a lot, to 0:05:09.080 --> 0:05:13.760 appreciate that that is a very cool, unique character. I 0:05:13.960 --> 0:05:16.960 just felt like there was so much more that could 0:05:16.960 --> 0:05:21.000 have been explored about, like what happens when like a 0:05:21.080 --> 0:05:24.240 community turns against someone, and like what was going on 0:05:24.320 --> 0:05:26.240 with the teacher and like this and that, and it 0:05:26.320 --> 0:05:28.320 was just kind of like they didn't know it's not 0:05:28.360 --> 0:05:30.200 actually about anything, It's just about a witch that was 0:05:32.520 --> 0:05:35.520 before we just said spoiler alert, we already did. I did. 0:05:35.279 --> 0:05:35.480 I did. 0:05:35.560 --> 0:05:38.599 Okay, okay, okay, but before we ask our film, now 0:05:38.600 --> 0:05:43.080 we need to get I have the host of Dear Movies, 0:05:43.120 --> 0:05:45.080 I Love You available to talk to us in a moment. 0:05:45.279 --> 0:05:48.359 I will say I was watching interviews with Zach Kreeger 0:05:48.360 --> 0:05:50.680 and like reading about it, and he wrote this after 0:05:50.760 --> 0:05:55.120 Trevor Moore died and like that was his good friend. Yeah, 0:05:55.200 --> 0:05:57.960 so my dared worked for him, so he was like 0:05:58.080 --> 0:06:01.240 really sad obviously and grieved, and he just started writing 0:06:01.279 --> 0:06:02.960 this and he didn't know what was gonna happen, Like 0:06:03.320 --> 0:06:05.680 this just came to him, the perspective, like the way 0:06:05.720 --> 0:06:08.760 it was shot, like the different story. Like he said, 0:06:08.800 --> 0:06:10.640 he didn't come up with what was gonna happen till 0:06:10.640 --> 0:06:13.719 page fifty that he was just writing. And I think 0:06:13.760 --> 0:06:16.000 grief is like an undercurrent of this. But I think 0:06:16.040 --> 0:06:17.960 what was haunting when you're like I didn't get the 0:06:18.040 --> 0:06:23.240 like payoff, is that like I mean, maybe it's lame, 0:06:23.240 --> 0:06:28.360 but it's like the parents never got better barely the 0:06:28.440 --> 0:06:32.120 kids talked again, and it's chilling, and like also like 0:06:32.200 --> 0:06:34.839 a whole classroom of kids disappear all the time and 0:06:34.880 --> 0:06:40.039 I just felt like the trauma of like doesn't leave us, 0:06:40.240 --> 0:06:42.160 which I guess is late like we talk about all 0:06:42.200 --> 0:06:42.599 the time. 0:06:42.440 --> 0:06:44.280 With SVU and like all of that. 0:06:44.520 --> 0:06:47.080 But yeah, I just felt like haunted by the end 0:06:47.120 --> 0:06:49.600 because I wanted like something, and then it was like, oh, 0:06:49.680 --> 0:06:51.919 the witch is dead, the evil is dead, but no 0:06:51.960 --> 0:06:55.719 one gets better. Yeah, and so that's what kind of 0:06:55.720 --> 0:06:58.839 haunted me in terms of like payoff and that little 0:06:58.839 --> 0:07:03.240 boy was just so cute. Yeah, and now and Zach 0:07:03.360 --> 0:07:06.520 was saying that it's also about substance abuse, like he's 0:07:06.720 --> 0:07:10.000 he's an alcoholic, and so you know she's an alcoholic. 0:07:10.680 --> 0:07:14.200 Josh Ban's like anger issues and then like the Cops. 0:07:13.800 --> 0:07:18.560 The Math, the He's fantastic. He was, he was, So 0:07:18.720 --> 0:07:21.400 I was invested. I liked all the characters. 0:07:22.000 --> 0:07:24.559 But yeah, so I guess addiction was the other theme 0:07:24.640 --> 0:07:26.840 that like he talks about or like that I that 0:07:26.880 --> 0:07:29.560 I pieced together by all of my little research after 0:07:29.600 --> 0:07:31.440 the movie. But before we talk to Casey, I will 0:07:31.480 --> 0:07:33.360 say I went to a regal It's pepsi and it 0:07:33.440 --> 0:07:36.080 was fucking disgusting. They didn't even have a cherry pepsi 0:07:36.440 --> 0:07:39.400 and I will never go again. To part the kids 0:07:39.560 --> 0:07:41.720 Jared took the kids to see Bad Guys Too while 0:07:41.760 --> 0:07:44.080 I was working one day in Vermont, and they were like, 0:07:44.240 --> 0:07:44.840 is pepsi okay? 0:07:44.840 --> 0:07:47.160 And he goes, it's actually not, and he got something else. 0:07:47.880 --> 0:07:51.240 He's like, I don't want that, no, because I drink 0:07:51.280 --> 0:07:51.920 diet soda. 0:07:52.040 --> 0:07:53.560 So like I did get my but I like a 0:07:53.560 --> 0:07:56.520 splash of the fun I do mostly Diya coke, and 0:07:56.520 --> 0:07:58.320 then I get a splash of the cherry and it 0:07:58.360 --> 0:08:02.480 tastes like it usually pepper root beer and so to 0:08:02.560 --> 0:08:03.880 not I had. 0:08:03.840 --> 0:08:05.200 My dia pepsy. 0:08:06.760 --> 0:08:08.680 Okay, but it was scary to walk home at night 0:08:08.720 --> 0:08:10.440 because I did see it alone and it started at 0:08:10.440 --> 0:08:12.720 like midnight, you know what I mean, And like, yeah, 0:08:13.160 --> 0:08:16.960 all right. Casey actually also an inadvertent plug for I 0:08:16.960 --> 0:08:18.880 think we've plugged it before. But in case you guys 0:08:18.880 --> 0:08:22.520 did not know, our producer Casey O'Brien has a podcast 0:08:22.640 --> 0:08:25.280 on the Exactly Right Network called Dear Movies, I Love 0:08:25.320 --> 0:08:28.760 You with Millie Cherico right am I saying her name 0:08:28.760 --> 0:08:32.920 the right way to Jericho, okay, and I love her 0:08:33.040 --> 0:08:35.800 and I love you and they talk about movies. 0:08:36.360 --> 0:08:39.640 So you guys should listen to you if you're a 0:08:39.679 --> 0:08:41.440 cinophile I do let us know. 0:08:41.520 --> 0:08:44.240 Yes, we didn't cover this episode or this movie on 0:08:44.280 --> 0:08:50.160 the show, but I with regards to the ending and 0:08:50.200 --> 0:08:53.040 it being just a witch, I completely one hundred percent 0:08:53.040 --> 0:08:55.199 agree with one of you, and that person I agree 0:08:55.240 --> 0:08:56.120 with is Lisa. 0:08:56.320 --> 0:08:56.560 Yeah. 0:08:56.600 --> 0:09:00.400 I thought I saw you nodding furiously when Lisa said it. 0:09:00.440 --> 0:09:01.720 I knew who you were agreeing with. 0:09:02.720 --> 0:09:05.040 I just I but you know, like a lot of 0:09:05.080 --> 0:09:08.800 the scariest issues in life, the answer is very simple sometimes, 0:09:08.840 --> 0:09:10.160 and so I thought, I do like. 0:09:10.160 --> 0:09:12.600 That the simple answer is that someone's aunt came to 0:09:12.640 --> 0:09:13.160 town who was. 0:09:13.160 --> 0:09:14.920 A witch who puts all the kinds in the basement 0:09:15.160 --> 0:09:17.480 and fed them soup to keep them alive and can 0:09:17.559 --> 0:09:19.520 use a stick to crack and make them do whatever 0:09:19.559 --> 0:09:21.240 she want. I mean, like you're trying to tell me 0:09:21.280 --> 0:09:22.800 that's the Fermi paradox right now. 0:09:22.960 --> 0:09:25.920 I just think that in the movie world, it is 0:09:25.960 --> 0:09:27.080 the simplest exploit. 0:09:27.080 --> 0:09:28.199 I just I like it. 0:09:28.280 --> 0:09:30.640 Aucas razor, what's the what's the what's the Oukham's razor? 0:09:30.640 --> 0:09:33.680 Maybe what I meant I I liked that. I thought 0:09:33.679 --> 0:09:37.760 that was a very sad and the ending was so satisfying. 0:09:37.880 --> 0:09:38.480 I saw a. 0:09:38.440 --> 0:09:41.880 Ton of people online and you Jared loved it also, 0:09:41.960 --> 0:09:43.760 and he's a horror guy. You guys watch a lot 0:09:43.800 --> 0:09:46.600 more horror than I do. I'm just like I was 0:09:46.720 --> 0:09:50.959 so scared and so invested, and I just felt disappointed, 0:09:51.120 --> 0:09:53.240 Like I was like, it's a witch. Like I just 0:09:53.320 --> 0:09:55.599 kind of was like I was waiting for it to 0:09:55.640 --> 0:09:58.240 be something supernaturally, of course, but I just was like 0:09:59.160 --> 0:10:02.280 wee were meeting her halfway through the movie, like I 0:10:02.320 --> 0:10:04.640 had a bunch of issues with it. And then I 0:10:04.679 --> 0:10:06.680 did go online and I saw a bunch of people 0:10:06.920 --> 0:10:09.120 with the same gripe as me, Like a lot of 0:10:09.120 --> 0:10:12.439 people were saying similar like first half is fucking hundred 0:10:12.440 --> 0:10:13.679 percent and then it loses. 0:10:13.880 --> 0:10:16.200 I just kept trying to compare it to Barbarian, which 0:10:16.240 --> 0:10:18.360 wasn't fair. And I think that's why at first I 0:10:18.400 --> 0:10:20.360 was a little like because Barbarian, to me, I've never 0:10:20.400 --> 0:10:23.640 felt more seen, like everything we've reached for everything we do. 0:10:23.720 --> 0:10:25.600 I was just like, this is the female. I gotta 0:10:25.600 --> 0:10:27.920 watch it. I'm just gonna watch it. I'm gonna watch it. 0:10:27.920 --> 0:10:29.760 Fucked Kara, be ready. 0:10:29.880 --> 0:10:30.280 I am. 0:10:30.720 --> 0:10:33.080 I am a man like you, like you said, this 0:10:33.160 --> 0:10:35.559 is a man who are saying this. But I found 0:10:35.600 --> 0:10:39.600 weapons scarier. It just it got under my skin more 0:10:39.720 --> 0:10:42.120 for some reason because you're a dad and it was kid, 0:10:42.320 --> 0:10:46.199 because maybe because I'm a hashtag girl dad and the 0:10:46.679 --> 0:10:49.560 and also I just think Liza, like you were kind 0:10:49.559 --> 0:10:52.960 of speaking to all of the deeper issues of this. 0:10:53.120 --> 0:10:54.840 I just feel like it tackles a lot of very 0:10:54.960 --> 0:10:58.040 like deep personal issues that the filmmaker was having with 0:10:58.120 --> 0:11:00.560 like substance abuse and the passing of Trevor More And 0:11:00.600 --> 0:11:01.079 I don't. 0:11:00.880 --> 0:11:02.679 Know, I didn't know any of that, so like I 0:11:02.920 --> 0:11:03.600 didn't either. 0:11:03.480 --> 0:11:05.920 But no, but it got I felt I felt that 0:11:06.000 --> 0:11:07.720 from watching the movie. 0:11:07.800 --> 0:11:10.199 It just got for me. It's like, I don't know 0:11:10.240 --> 0:11:11.800 that Julia Gardner's an alcoholic. 0:11:11.920 --> 0:11:16.280 I know she's drinking to dull the pain of somebody's 0:11:16.760 --> 0:11:19.320 the entire town thinking she's a fucking witch that killed 0:11:19.320 --> 0:11:19.840 their kids. 0:11:20.520 --> 0:11:22.000 She's not the witch that killed their kids. It's a 0:11:22.000 --> 0:11:22.640 different one. 0:11:23.280 --> 0:11:26.840 Like I mean, yeah, like it could be like that 0:11:26.880 --> 0:11:28.600 wasn't set up to me. To me, it was that 0:11:28.640 --> 0:11:30.880 guy was the only addict. She was saying that the 0:11:30.960 --> 0:11:33.000 dad's anger was coming from his kid being gone. 0:11:33.679 --> 0:11:36.000 Well I think I was, I well, like the kid 0:11:36.080 --> 0:11:38.559 coming back with like the zombie parents. I feel like 0:11:38.600 --> 0:11:42.720 that's like a very child of an alcoholic experience coming 0:11:42.760 --> 0:11:45.240 back and your parents are just like who are they? 0:11:45.360 --> 0:11:47.520 I have to be the adult. I have to feed 0:11:47.520 --> 0:11:50.199 the children that are in our basement those types of things. Yeah, 0:11:50.240 --> 0:11:55.400 and so I I I felt that when watching it. 0:11:56.120 --> 0:11:58.760 Yeah, because his parents, Yeah, it's about his childhood in 0:11:58.760 --> 0:12:05.760 that way too, alcoholic parents. That jumps scared when she 0:12:05.840 --> 0:12:08.400 looks in the window. I that was really scary when 0:12:08.400 --> 0:12:09.920 they were just and when she comes out with the 0:12:09.960 --> 0:12:12.400 sys she comes out into the car. I I was 0:12:12.400 --> 0:12:14.960 about to throw up, Like I was so scared, but 0:12:15.120 --> 0:12:16.800 like I'm yeah. 0:12:16.920 --> 0:12:18.719 Like I just was like, but he. 0:12:18.720 --> 0:12:21.079 Has this little kid has a good relationship with his parents, 0:12:21.120 --> 0:12:23.120 So I wasn't thinking about it like from that, I. 0:12:23.080 --> 0:12:25.800 Know, like that's I think that's so sad about Yeah, 0:12:25.880 --> 0:12:26.720 no alcoholism. 0:12:26.800 --> 0:12:29.120 It's like they can be great people, but then they 0:12:29.160 --> 0:12:29.840 just have an addiction. 0:12:29.880 --> 0:12:30.200 I don't know. 0:12:30.200 --> 0:12:32.520 I just have a witch on who came over and 0:12:33.400 --> 0:12:34.079 their life force. 0:12:34.200 --> 0:12:37.520 But the one thing I haven't seen online that might 0:12:37.559 --> 0:12:38.840 be my own thing. 0:12:38.679 --> 0:12:40.760 That I caught. I should make a video. 0:12:40.960 --> 0:12:46.360 But the time was to seventeen and two people stayed 0:12:46.400 --> 0:12:48.400 and seventeen were taken, and I feel like. 0:12:48.360 --> 0:12:51.240 No one interesting. I don't know if that including the teacher. 0:12:51.440 --> 0:12:52.880 Yeah, I was like the kid and the teacher are 0:12:52.920 --> 0:12:55.040 left too, and then seventeen were gone and it happened. 0:12:55.160 --> 0:12:59.360 You find things in numbers, you're like a numerologist. Do 0:12:59.440 --> 0:13:01.240 I remind you of Taylor Swift? Hey? 0:13:01.360 --> 0:13:03.000 Yeah? 0:13:03.320 --> 0:13:05.720 But what I was gonna also say, here's one little 0:13:05.760 --> 0:13:09.000 thing that we thought was like you know how we 0:13:09.440 --> 0:13:12.480 like again spoiler if you're still listening, like, you know how, 0:13:12.520 --> 0:13:15.680 Like somebody writes witch on her car in red paint 0:13:15.720 --> 0:13:17.480 and we find out later it's Josh Brolin because he's 0:13:17.480 --> 0:13:18.319 got the paint in his car. 0:13:18.960 --> 0:13:20.720 Did he paint that and then also knock on her 0:13:20.760 --> 0:13:24.800 door twice? Is that? Do we think that was something Josh. 0:13:24.679 --> 0:13:27.480 Brolin's character would do, paint that and then knock on 0:13:27.520 --> 0:13:28.840 her door twice to freak her out? 0:13:29.559 --> 0:13:31.400 Like, I don't know that that that I guess I 0:13:31.440 --> 0:13:33.200 assumed that was that was him. 0:13:33.760 --> 0:13:36.199 Well, they show the paint pretty obviously, like, but then 0:13:36.240 --> 0:13:38.439 then the door knocking feel felt like but I also 0:13:38.640 --> 0:13:40.959 like that like she looked at the ribbons and you're like, 0:13:41.000 --> 0:13:43.520 maybe something's happening, and then you don't know what's gonna happen, 0:13:43.559 --> 0:13:45.160 and then when he's like, is that my ribbon? 0:13:45.240 --> 0:13:47.640 And then snap and I don't know. I like loved 0:13:47.640 --> 0:13:48.960 that and I loved. 0:13:48.800 --> 0:13:52.480 The perspective of it all, like the different vine, different 0:13:52.559 --> 0:13:55.920 chapters basically, but that love that kind of said their 0:13:56.000 --> 0:13:58.280 favorite scene to film was in the bar, which I 0:13:58.320 --> 0:13:59.400 find kind of crazy. 0:14:00.200 --> 0:14:03.440 Oh, I don't even really really remember that. The cop 0:14:03.480 --> 0:14:04.560 and the girl they like. 0:14:04.640 --> 0:14:07.560 I mean, it was wild seeing Wit like stab himself 0:14:07.559 --> 0:14:09.240 in the face with a fork over and over again. 0:14:09.360 --> 0:14:13.079 Too. I was like, oh, this is scary. 0:14:13.320 --> 0:14:15.160 The one thing I saw online that was funny was 0:14:15.200 --> 0:14:17.560 like when't like the town noticed that this little boy 0:14:17.640 --> 0:14:21.320 just can't stop buying soup, Like where are your parents? 0:14:21.400 --> 0:14:23.080 And why do you need all this? He must have 0:14:23.160 --> 0:14:25.600 had to have bought so truly so much soup. 0:14:25.720 --> 0:14:30.720 I just was also kind of like, if this witch 0:14:30.840 --> 0:14:33.920 is like trying not to get caught, why is she 0:14:33.960 --> 0:14:37.240 abducting seventeen kids, why doesn't she abduct them one at 0:14:37.240 --> 0:14:40.040 a time or something like that, Like what like you're 0:14:40.080 --> 0:14:42.160 making this huge splash, but then you're also like, we've 0:14:42.160 --> 0:14:43.920 got to get out of town and don't tell anybody 0:14:43.920 --> 0:14:45.960 about me, Like I don't know, aren' you powerful enough 0:14:45.960 --> 0:14:47.960 that you can stop him telling anybody about you or 0:14:48.040 --> 0:14:50.120 like or anybody that finds out about you. 0:14:50.000 --> 0:14:52.280 You can just, I don't know, fucking snap. 0:14:52.040 --> 0:14:55.760 Your stick at Like there was just the the witch 0:14:55.800 --> 0:14:57.840 coming in with like a bunch of rules that I 0:14:57.880 --> 0:15:00.280 don't know, like their salt on the ground. I guess 0:15:00.320 --> 0:15:02.280 that's some kind of vampire rule I'm supposed to know. 0:15:02.320 --> 0:15:02.760 I don't know. 0:15:03.280 --> 0:15:06.560 Like I just was kind of like, oh, okay, so 0:15:06.680 --> 0:15:08.760 in the end, it's just this like fucking thing that 0:15:08.800 --> 0:15:09.880 I never could have predicted. 0:15:09.880 --> 0:15:12.360 I just thought it'd be something different. Same in Long Legs. 0:15:12.400 --> 0:15:15.120 It's just the fucking like it's a lady in a 0:15:15.160 --> 0:15:18.040 fucking veil, like it's been in twelve other movies. Like 0:15:18.120 --> 0:15:21.520 I just was like, not, but but I would, I 0:15:21.560 --> 0:15:23.520 would like watch it again and see what I missed. 0:15:23.600 --> 0:15:25.680 I would, you know, like, And also I thought the 0:15:25.840 --> 0:15:29.960 ending scene I thought was crazy and funny. I laughed 0:15:30.000 --> 0:15:32.280 like I was like the ending, I was like, this 0:15:32.320 --> 0:15:34.920 is a satisfying ending, even though I didn't really like 0:15:34.960 --> 0:15:37.760 where the second act like half went. But I don't know, 0:15:37.840 --> 0:15:39.600 but I was I was proud of myself for going 0:15:39.680 --> 0:15:44.280 but I had to close my eyes at the teacher 0:15:44.320 --> 0:15:46.200 after he got at the principal got hit by the. 0:15:46.160 --> 0:15:50.840 Car, and I was gonna say, the violence is really crazy. 0:15:51.080 --> 0:15:53.000 I'm surprised somebody said that it wasn't. 0:15:53.240 --> 0:15:55.840 This is a new thing that's happening in a lot 0:15:55.960 --> 0:16:00.760 of TV and movies that I'm noticing is like skull pummeling, 0:16:01.280 --> 0:16:04.400 like just smashing someone in the face over and over 0:16:04.440 --> 0:16:06.720 again until there's nothing there but a pile of pulp. 0:16:06.800 --> 0:16:09.520 Like that did not used to be just randomly thrown 0:16:09.560 --> 0:16:11.800 into every movie. And we didn't even talk about June 0:16:11.800 --> 0:16:16.680 Diane Raphael, Oh my god, could use more of her. 0:16:17.000 --> 0:16:18.680 Yeah, love June Diane. 0:16:19.120 --> 0:16:21.400 But then when you finally see the boys point of view, 0:16:21.560 --> 0:16:24.360 I don't know, I like love and you know, like 0:16:24.440 --> 0:16:27.000 production wise and when an interview he said, like him 0:16:27.040 --> 0:16:29.520 and his DP went out or did you read did 0:16:29.520 --> 0:16:32.920 you see this? Like they went to the locations way 0:16:33.000 --> 0:16:35.760 before they started shooting, so like they planned all the 0:16:35.760 --> 0:16:38.000 shots out, so by the time filming starts they just 0:16:38.080 --> 0:16:38.840 know all their shots. 0:16:38.840 --> 0:16:40.560 They don't have to like figure it out while they're 0:16:40.600 --> 0:16:43.280 going along. Isn't that what you're supposed to do? Would 0:16:43.320 --> 0:16:43.840 you direct? 0:16:44.000 --> 0:16:44.040 No? 0:16:44.280 --> 0:16:46.120 It feels like like day before. 0:16:46.200 --> 0:16:48.680 I feel like people don't not everyone has the luxury, 0:16:48.760 --> 0:16:51.600 Like I'm on indies, right, So it's like people are 0:16:51.640 --> 0:16:53.880 figuring out the angles while we're there, and the space 0:16:53.920 --> 0:16:55.720 is there, so you're waiting. But he just said, like 0:16:55.760 --> 0:16:59.200 creativity kind of flourishes without time, and so they just 0:16:59.240 --> 0:17:01.800 went for a whole month and just like planned everything. 0:17:01.880 --> 0:17:03.640 So by the time they got there, they just like 0:17:03.840 --> 0:17:06.000 it paid off because it looked awesome. You can't say 0:17:06.000 --> 0:17:08.440 it doesn't like look awesome, like it's shot awesome. 0:17:08.880 --> 0:17:11.800 But I liked the gas station being the central kind 0:17:11.800 --> 0:17:15.120 of figure of it too. And then the other creepy, 0:17:15.200 --> 0:17:17.800 kind of deeper thing that I saw online. They all 0:17:17.920 --> 0:17:20.679 ran like and I kind of caught it before I 0:17:20.720 --> 0:17:24.120 read it, but they all run like that girl from 0:17:24.760 --> 0:17:28.000 the bomb Hiroshima, you know that like melting Girl. 0:17:28.080 --> 0:17:30.000 Was that Vietnam? Where was it was that Vietnam? 0:17:30.280 --> 0:17:33.160 But you know that like the famous thing, Like yeah, 0:17:34.920 --> 0:17:37.560 I'm sure the girl running with that's how they all 0:17:37.600 --> 0:17:38.200 the kids ran. 0:17:39.400 --> 0:17:40.400 That's the posing. 0:17:41.359 --> 0:17:44.520 I've been seeing a lot of interviews with Josh Brolin, 0:17:44.560 --> 0:17:46.040 and they were like, why did they why did they 0:17:46.119 --> 0:17:48.199 run like that? Because he was like a producer on 0:17:48.240 --> 0:17:51.240 the one too, and he was like, I have no idea. 0:17:52.200 --> 0:17:53.080 He's a script. 0:17:53.119 --> 0:17:55.400 It's in the script, Like that's what I script where 0:17:55.400 --> 0:17:58.040 it's like arms behind them in a. 0:17:58.080 --> 0:18:00.119 V Like yeah, he was, but he was like, I 0:18:00.119 --> 0:18:01.959 have no idea, and frankly, I don't want to know. 0:18:02.280 --> 0:18:05.280 Like he's like, it's scary and it works. It's effective, dude. 0:18:05.680 --> 0:18:08.600 Some of the visual stuff was like, yeah, it's like you're, oh, 0:18:09.400 --> 0:18:11.159 I think when you can point to something and go, 0:18:11.400 --> 0:18:13.840 that's from Weapons, you know what I mean? Like you're 0:18:13.880 --> 0:18:18.119 gonna see a janky, little redheaded short wig with bangs 0:18:18.119 --> 0:18:19.840 and you're like, that's the witch from Weapons. You know, 0:18:19.880 --> 0:18:24.200 Like you're just like there's iconography in that movie for sure. 0:18:24.840 --> 0:18:27.760 I also, I really appreciate hot Dogs. It made me 0:18:27.840 --> 0:18:30.439 hungry for hot dogs. I did appreciate, you know, like 0:18:30.800 --> 0:18:35.280 Josh Brolin's character is like so angry and hateful towards 0:18:35.640 --> 0:18:39.640 uh Julie Gardner's character, but then I don't know he's 0:18:40.119 --> 0:18:43.720 throughout the movie there's like she gets humanized to him 0:18:43.720 --> 0:18:45.200 and there's like a forgiveness there. 0:18:45.240 --> 0:18:45.600 I don't know. 0:18:45.640 --> 0:18:47.600 I thought that was kind of a beautiful story arc 0:18:48.000 --> 0:18:49.640 in the movie as well well. 0:18:49.680 --> 0:18:52.760 She gets humanized only after he realizes that there's something 0:18:52.880 --> 0:18:55.359 fucking sinister going on in the town because he sees 0:18:55.840 --> 0:18:58.760 the principle of the school run toward her with his 0:18:58.840 --> 0:19:00.760 eyes bulging out of head and try to. 0:19:00.680 --> 0:19:01.840 Assess its true. 0:19:02.320 --> 0:19:05.199 But that's when she becomes a human and they realize, oh, 0:19:05.240 --> 0:19:06.119 we're in this together. 0:19:06.320 --> 0:19:07.080 That's the turn. 0:19:07.720 --> 0:19:10.320 Yeah, but I feel like there was still sort of 0:19:10.359 --> 0:19:14.080 a gray area there where he's not sure what's happened. 0:19:14.240 --> 0:19:14.680 I don't know. 0:19:14.800 --> 0:19:17.960 I feel like he saw that terror in her face 0:19:18.040 --> 0:19:20.160 and it was like, oh, wait, this is something different, 0:19:20.280 --> 0:19:23.480 Like this is not a girl who kidnapped seventeen kids 0:19:23.480 --> 0:19:24.480 and did something with them. 0:19:24.680 --> 0:19:27.359 But the Principle and the Methad were probably outside of 0:19:27.400 --> 0:19:30.520 Julia Gardner and the Little Boy. 0:19:30.640 --> 0:19:34.520 I really loved them. It was good. Lots of conversation. 0:19:35.600 --> 0:19:38.880 Yeah, yeah, I mean yeah, like it's making me kind 0:19:38.880 --> 0:19:40.440 of want to see Barbarian because. 0:19:40.840 --> 0:19:43.280 You need to see Barbarian in terms of this podcast 0:19:43.359 --> 0:19:45.399 and what I think you should see it, But like 0:19:45.440 --> 0:19:46.920 be ready to close your eyes a lot. 0:19:47.040 --> 0:19:49.199 I'm definitely, I mean, there's definitely gonna be no way 0:19:49.240 --> 0:19:50.720 I can watch a lot of that stuff like I 0:19:50.720 --> 0:19:52.840 couldn't watch a lot of the beatings. I could not 0:19:52.960 --> 0:19:54.960 watch the final scene like at all. I sorry to 0:19:54.960 --> 0:19:57.119 bring up Eric Stone Street, I can't stop. But he 0:19:57.160 --> 0:19:59.600 said he doesn't read any part of the script that 0:19:59.640 --> 0:20:03.800 he's not in. He likes to be surprised, like he 0:20:03.840 --> 0:20:05.880 doesn't care, like he wants to watch it as a fan. 0:20:06.000 --> 0:20:06.600 And I get that. 0:20:06.720 --> 0:20:09.920 But and you think there's context that you get from 0:20:09.920 --> 0:20:12.119 the rest of the story, Well, it depends what the character. 0:20:12.160 --> 0:20:13.600 Like, I didn't have to read the rest of Nope, 0:20:13.600 --> 0:20:15.200 because I was just the one thing and it didn't matter. 0:20:16.000 --> 0:20:16.840 So I can go see it. 0:20:16.880 --> 0:20:18.360 Not that he's in one thing, he's in a lot 0:20:18.359 --> 0:20:20.640 of it, but it's separate from Dexter's life in this way. 0:20:20.720 --> 0:20:24.080 So oh okay, Yeah, I. 0:20:24.040 --> 0:20:26.760 Just thought that was inter I feel like in an 0:20:26.800 --> 0:20:28.600 interview saying she does the same thing, she just goes 0:20:28.640 --> 0:20:29.439 and when do I come in? 0:20:31.680 --> 0:20:34.480 But that Meth had lost thirty five pounds and since 0:20:34.520 --> 0:20:36.600 filming got switched because of the strike for a year, 0:20:36.680 --> 0:20:39.560 he kept that weight down the whole year waiting. He's 0:20:39.600 --> 0:20:42.639 the only because the whole movie got recast, he's the 0:20:42.680 --> 0:20:46.679 only original casting exist. Yeah, the movie was fully cast, 0:20:46.960 --> 0:20:50.639 and then the strike happened and no one else could 0:20:50.760 --> 0:20:55.000 do the movie outside of the meth head, who he 0:20:55.080 --> 0:20:57.440 saw in some Ben Stiller movie. Was like upset became 0:20:57.480 --> 0:21:00.000 obsessed with. But he's the only original. Josh Berlin was 0:21:00.040 --> 0:21:06.000 supposed to be Pedro pascal By Henry was supposed to 0:21:06.040 --> 0:21:08.760 be the principal. Yeah, it was like fully Julia. It 0:21:08.840 --> 0:21:12.840 was a full recast but ended up. Now I'm trying 0:21:12.840 --> 0:21:15.640 to find out who the other people were. The original 0:21:16.600 --> 0:21:20.720 was Renate Rens, who was the girl from Worst Person 0:21:20.720 --> 0:21:21.280 in the World. 0:21:21.960 --> 0:21:24.960 She was originally going to be the teacher Julia. 0:21:25.320 --> 0:21:28.560 I'm saying her name incorrectly because I think she's from 0:21:28.760 --> 0:21:30.560 Have you seen that movie Casey? 0:21:31.200 --> 0:21:32.800 Yeah, we know the main girl from that. 0:21:33.720 --> 0:21:33.880 Now. 0:21:33.920 --> 0:21:37.280 I love Julia Berner. I think she's the best. She's 0:21:37.320 --> 0:21:37.960 like one of the best. 0:21:38.400 --> 0:21:40.560 And Brian Tyree Henry was supposed to be the president, 0:21:40.560 --> 0:21:44.119 the principal. Yeah, I could see that, but I loved 0:21:44.280 --> 0:21:46.880 this guy. To me, he was the one that I 0:21:46.920 --> 0:21:49.359 am dbat Immediately I was like, who is this guy? 0:21:50.440 --> 0:21:51.119 I love you? 0:21:51.400 --> 0:21:52.160 The principal. 0:21:52.640 --> 0:21:55.879 Yeah, I hope that's like a big new thing for him. 0:21:56.160 --> 0:22:00.360 Uh Okay, Well, that's movie review morning for I've never 0:22:00.480 --> 0:22:04.399 done that. We've never full full movie review, but that 0:22:04.440 --> 0:22:06.520 movie does. It does like prompt a lot of discussion 0:22:06.600 --> 0:22:08.639 and stuff. So I mean I didn't like hate it 0:22:08.680 --> 0:22:12.840 at all. Well, you have two weeks to watch Barbarian. Okay, 0:22:14.359 --> 0:22:16.240 watch it with me, because there's no watching it. We'll 0:22:16.280 --> 0:22:19.919 still watch him with you, not watch. He's seen it, 0:22:19.960 --> 0:22:25.880 but he'll he loves to rewatch. Okay, let's see. Well 0:22:25.920 --> 0:22:28.000 start we could still Okay, let's start the episode. Go 0:22:28.040 --> 0:22:28.679 to that s messed up. 0:22:29.720 --> 0:22:31.680 I'll say one more thing for the people who did 0:22:31.720 --> 0:22:35.479 not give a shit about weapons. Okay, So I did 0:22:35.560 --> 0:22:37.480 not read the full article yet someone sent it to me, 0:22:37.920 --> 0:22:40.520 but it's in the New York Post. How four moms 0:22:40.520 --> 0:22:43.200 solved a brutal cold case murder in their free time. 0:22:43.720 --> 0:22:47.720 And so basically instead of pickleball, these four moms got together. 0:22:47.760 --> 0:22:49.919 They've written a book about it, and they solved a 0:22:49.920 --> 0:22:54.560 cold case. WHOA and the casting of these women, it 0:22:54.640 --> 0:22:58.000 looks like they would be it's like a perfect little 0:22:58.000 --> 0:23:01.240 force the woman. So it's gonna be The Carpool Detectives, 0:23:01.240 --> 0:23:03.360 A true story of four moms, two bodies, and one 0:23:03.400 --> 0:23:04.520 mysterious cold case. 0:23:05.200 --> 0:23:08.680 Okay wait, I'm like, this is basically the Fabulous Four, 0:23:08.760 --> 0:23:09.600 but you're younger. 0:23:09.840 --> 0:23:14.200 It was a fifteen year old, gruesome double homicide that 0:23:14.280 --> 0:23:17.359 like no one could figure out, and somehow these women 0:23:18.840 --> 0:23:19.200 did it. 0:23:20.600 --> 0:23:21.000 Wow. 0:23:21.040 --> 0:23:24.720 They broke a case from two thousand and five of 0:23:24.760 --> 0:23:27.359 a sixty something businessman and his wife that were found 0:23:27.400 --> 0:23:32.800 their bodies. Oh la, so we could read them. Are 0:23:32.840 --> 0:23:33.800 they in my mom group? 0:23:33.880 --> 0:23:34.480 What the fuck? 0:23:35.000 --> 0:23:36.480 I gotta look these ladies up and see if we 0:23:36.520 --> 0:23:37.680 have any mutuals because. 0:23:37.440 --> 0:23:39.679 Anybody like annoyed by women doing this or like, oh 0:23:39.720 --> 0:23:41.840 the podcasters think they could solve and then this is 0:23:41.880 --> 0:23:46.720 fucking cool. They just called family members, requesting police case records, 0:23:46.760 --> 0:23:50.560 conducting interviews with detectives, spoke to neighbors. 0:23:51.680 --> 0:23:52.919 I mean, it's cool. 0:23:54.040 --> 0:23:56.760 Our main suspect called my phone, my cell phone when 0:23:56.760 --> 0:23:58.480 I was making a PB and J sandwich for my 0:23:58.560 --> 0:24:01.200 kids and asked me why I was digging into him. 0:24:01.320 --> 0:24:03.920 I felt the blood drain out of my body. Oh 0:24:03.960 --> 0:24:08.400 my gosh, really mixing up the mom life. It's definitely 0:24:08.920 --> 0:24:13.120 for us. So I mean the other thing is too, 0:24:13.160 --> 0:24:15.679 It's like, yeah, you guys cannot you do not have 0:24:15.720 --> 0:24:17.920 the manpower to go after all old cold cases. So 0:24:17.960 --> 0:24:20.080 if people want to kind of like give it fresh 0:24:20.080 --> 0:24:24.000 eyes again, develop new leads, why not. I don't think 0:24:24.000 --> 0:24:27.200 you should like meddle, you know, yeah, like what was it? 0:24:27.240 --> 0:24:29.440 Don't fuck with the cats? Then the internet like got 0:24:29.440 --> 0:24:32.080 too crazy about some ship, but they figured it out 0:24:32.080 --> 0:24:36.680 in the end. So yeah, if you guys care, that's yeah, 0:24:36.720 --> 0:24:41.399 you might like Chuck Hogan wrote the book. Another reminder 0:24:42.040 --> 0:24:45.080 that go to that smastep live for Lisa's tour dates 0:24:45.160 --> 0:24:47.439 or under Lisa's website, and she's all over the place. 0:24:47.800 --> 0:24:50.919 And also come see a perf Night of Laughs at 0:24:50.920 --> 0:24:53.520 the Bell House on September twenty eighth. I should also 0:24:53.560 --> 0:24:56.440 mention it's a Sunday show at five o'clock. So even 0:24:56.480 --> 0:24:58.320 if you live kind of out you're like, I don't 0:24:58.320 --> 0:24:59.480 really want to be on a Sunday. I live in 0:24:59.480 --> 0:25:01.480 New Jersey. Come in, you'll be home. You'll be home 0:25:01.520 --> 0:25:09.120 by eight or nine. But yeah, let's get started, Okay. 0:25:09.160 --> 0:25:14.600 We will be doing Dare Today Season nineteen, episode sixteen 0:25:15.880 --> 0:25:20.159 premiered in twenty eighteen. And I've been wanting to do 0:25:20.200 --> 0:25:22.359 this one for a very very long time. I really 0:25:22.680 --> 0:25:24.600 like it, and this is one of the few times 0:25:24.600 --> 0:25:28.480 where like, I disagree with Benson and the majority of 0:25:28.520 --> 0:25:29.920 people I think, I don't know. 0:25:30.119 --> 0:25:32.480 Yeah, we disagree. You disagree with me too. 0:25:32.520 --> 0:25:34.640 No, I have strong opinions in this episode that I'm 0:25:34.680 --> 0:25:35.960 worried that the people. 0:25:35.680 --> 0:25:38.320 Are going to be like, don't don't have the but like, 0:25:38.400 --> 0:25:40.439 I think we have a disagree with one but okay, 0:25:40.560 --> 0:25:41.840 I can't. I don't know. I think we might have 0:25:41.880 --> 0:25:43.280 the same all right. 0:25:43.520 --> 0:25:47.239 So cutie girls on a bus after a game, and 0:25:47.280 --> 0:25:50.400 then one of the girls says making buzzer beaters like that, 0:25:50.480 --> 0:25:52.600 you'll be playing for the liberty and I'm like, s 0:25:52.720 --> 0:25:56.680 views ahead of the trends WNBA chat in twenty eighteen, yeah, 0:25:56.960 --> 0:25:57.919 like always. 0:25:58.320 --> 0:25:59.760 So the girls are talking basketball. 0:25:59.760 --> 0:26:01.760 There's a girl and a hat, there's a blonde, there's 0:26:01.800 --> 0:26:05.320 a brunette, and it's time for teen games. They see 0:26:05.320 --> 0:26:07.600 a man with a helmet and they dare like at 0:26:07.640 --> 0:26:10.080 a city bike thing, and they dare the brunette to 0:26:10.119 --> 0:26:12.520 go kiss him, and they tell Zoe she has to 0:26:12.560 --> 0:26:12.920 do it. 0:26:13.440 --> 0:26:15.480 And I hate the blonde. 0:26:15.240 --> 0:26:19.040 And I wrote I hate blonde and Hat but and 0:26:19.080 --> 0:26:21.520 then Hat goes, oh my god, she's actually doing it, 0:26:21.560 --> 0:26:23.479 and the blonde goes, this is the best day of 0:26:23.480 --> 0:26:25.919 my life, and Zoe walks up to him, taps him 0:26:25.920 --> 0:26:28.159 on the shoulder and kisses him on the cheek. The 0:26:28.200 --> 0:26:30.920 other girls scream red Parrot, Red Parrot, and they run 0:26:30.960 --> 0:26:34.199 into the community center and the music indicates, you know, 0:26:34.280 --> 0:26:37.159 time has passed. A short haired mom waits for her 0:26:37.240 --> 0:26:40.240 daughter and sees the other two girls, Lisa and Lily. 0:26:40.359 --> 0:26:42.919 We learn their names if they had seen Zoe, and 0:26:42.960 --> 0:26:45.720 they're like, no, not since we got back from the game. 0:26:46.240 --> 0:26:49.359 But she's not answering her phone, so Hat suggests maybe 0:26:49.359 --> 0:26:52.480 her battery died, and the mom rushes in and now 0:26:52.520 --> 0:26:54.879 we have a high up woman walking inside the school 0:26:54.920 --> 0:26:56.760 with Benson and Finn. She's like, I've been running the 0:26:56.800 --> 0:27:00.399 sports center for twenty years. This has never happened, and 0:27:00.440 --> 0:27:03.320 we don't have cameras, no budget, the friends, but it 0:27:03.359 --> 0:27:05.600 looks like a really nice center, so I don't know. 0:27:05.760 --> 0:27:08.920 But the friends said that the girl never came inside 0:27:08.960 --> 0:27:11.879 after the bus pulled up. So the two friends and 0:27:11.920 --> 0:27:14.439 the parents are there and the detectives start asking the 0:27:14.440 --> 0:27:17.959 girls questions. The brunettes like, we have to tell the truth, 0:27:18.080 --> 0:27:21.399 and a stern mom goes, that's right, young lady, but 0:27:21.480 --> 0:27:24.640 they're not speaking up and they clearly have something to say. 0:27:24.680 --> 0:27:28.040 So Benson sits down dangerous minds like cool girls style 0:27:28.560 --> 0:27:31.159 and is like, no one's in trouble, okay, I just 0:27:31.160 --> 0:27:33.720 need to know what happened. We need to find Zoe. 0:27:33.920 --> 0:27:37.199 She's your friend, right, and they nod yes. So she 0:27:37.320 --> 0:27:39.640 tells them about the day, you know, the girls tell 0:27:39.680 --> 0:27:42.680 them about the dare situation, and the mom screams what 0:27:43.240 --> 0:27:46.160 and Finn's like, okay, so then what and the blonde says, 0:27:46.200 --> 0:27:49.679 we ran inside and now she's gone dramatic music, and 0:27:49.760 --> 0:27:54.159 Benson's confused and fuck damn, so you know credits they 0:27:54.200 --> 0:27:57.800 approach the coach. She is caring and she know She's like, 0:27:57.840 --> 0:27:58.960 this is my worst nightmare. 0:27:59.040 --> 0:28:01.640 But then Finn. 0:28:01.359 --> 0:28:06.439 Says this with like the most monotone, no effect, blurred out, 0:28:06.480 --> 0:28:09.680 like from a manual. He just goes, it's a tough job, 0:28:09.800 --> 0:28:13.159 a lot of kids to be responsible for, like it 0:28:13.240 --> 0:28:15.840 was just perfect. And they ask about a man and 0:28:15.840 --> 0:28:18.280 she goes, no, no, no man, and she does look 0:28:18.320 --> 0:28:20.119 like a gym teacher. I will be honest, there's a 0:28:20.280 --> 0:28:23.480 very butch haircut going on. And so when they ask like, 0:28:23.760 --> 0:28:27.280 was there a man. She goes a man and it's funny, 0:28:27.720 --> 0:28:29.760 and so they didn't see the man. 0:28:29.840 --> 0:28:30.600 No one saw a man. 0:28:30.760 --> 0:28:34.159 And then she goes, I'm almost certain I accounted for everybody, 0:28:34.440 --> 0:28:38.040 and Benson screams back almost certain. She's not happy with that, 0:28:38.320 --> 0:28:42.360 like no almost here, and she sneers and spins off 0:28:42.400 --> 0:28:45.160 and walks away in anger. Christy and Rollins are with 0:28:45.200 --> 0:28:48.400 the girls outside and they give a description of the man, 0:28:48.520 --> 0:28:51.000 light brown skin like Indian, and he was by the 0:28:51.000 --> 0:28:53.400 bikes and since it's a city bike they call it 0:28:53.480 --> 0:28:56.680 bike NYC. They can like track the credit card or 0:28:56.680 --> 0:28:59.400 the accounter who took him, so they get his info 0:28:59.480 --> 0:29:02.320 and Rollins's crazy, knock knock knock for David get him out, 0:29:02.800 --> 0:29:05.320 and nobody answers, but they haven't. They don't care, so 0:29:05.360 --> 0:29:08.520 they break down the door full guns up and they 0:29:08.560 --> 0:29:11.600 search no One's home as she gets on his laptop 0:29:11.800 --> 0:29:15.040 and she's like, lucky us he has find my phone 0:29:15.120 --> 0:29:18.840 on his computer? Who doesn't have a laptop password? Do 0:29:18.880 --> 0:29:20.480 you guys not have laptop passwords? 0:29:20.520 --> 0:29:20.640 Like? 0:29:20.720 --> 0:29:23.640 In what fantasyland? Does someone not have a laptop password? 0:29:24.560 --> 0:29:26.720 That's psychotic. You're lucky you got in there, lucky he 0:29:26.720 --> 0:29:29.360 has a find my phone. Lucky you just got straight 0:29:29.400 --> 0:29:33.520 into his laptop. So we track him, which is like 0:29:33.520 --> 0:29:35.560 a fun thing. I don't think we've ever seen this before, 0:29:35.600 --> 0:29:37.560 like opening a laptop, like tracking the phone. And then 0:29:37.560 --> 0:29:39.600 the guy walks in like this is a first for me. 0:29:39.880 --> 0:29:43.360 Correct me if I'm wrong. It's hard to keep reinventing 0:29:43.400 --> 0:29:47.000 the wheel. But they are I've never seen this. So 0:29:47.040 --> 0:29:49.440 she goes, the phone is here, and David walks in 0:29:49.600 --> 0:29:52.360 right at that moment, and his jacket is as red 0:29:52.480 --> 0:29:57.160 as this herring. Okay, so he's startled nerd energy and 0:29:57.200 --> 0:29:59.400 he goes, what the hell and they put guns on 0:29:59.480 --> 0:30:01.320 him right away, and they go where's the girl? 0:30:01.480 --> 0:30:02.280 He goes, what girl? 0:30:02.360 --> 0:30:02.880 The girl? 0:30:02.960 --> 0:30:03.480 What girl? 0:30:03.960 --> 0:30:07.160 So finally Rollins gets a photo up and he explains 0:30:07.200 --> 0:30:10.160 what happens, and he goes, oh, she ran away behind 0:30:10.160 --> 0:30:12.840 her friends into the rec center and they're like, are 0:30:12.880 --> 0:30:13.600 you positive? 0:30:14.040 --> 0:30:15.280 He goes, I am positive. 0:30:16.240 --> 0:30:18.440 But they knock down his door and he's like, I 0:30:18.480 --> 0:30:23.560 can't just leave it open, and Rollin says, call a locksmith. 0:30:23.600 --> 0:30:25.720 The department will reimburse you. 0:30:26.360 --> 0:30:30.240 Yeah right, I had all my but the fire department 0:30:30.360 --> 0:30:34.920 broke my shit. Broke my shit like, fuck that Cresey 0:30:35.040 --> 0:30:37.000 and it was my Michael C. Hope poster. Okay, so 0:30:37.080 --> 0:30:40.479 Crisey called. I'm like sad, I don't happen anymore. So 0:30:40.560 --> 0:30:45.200 Creasy calls Benson, and Benson's like what the fuck? Like 0:30:45.240 --> 0:30:47.680 that means she's been in here this whole time, But 0:30:47.720 --> 0:30:49.280 I don't know why they wouldn't just search a little 0:30:49.280 --> 0:30:51.880 bit anyways, but they do a full grid search, and 0:30:51.960 --> 0:30:55.000 I hate these two dumb girls, like you're like to 0:30:55.040 --> 0:30:57.360 not to lie to everyone while your friends are missing, 0:30:57.440 --> 0:30:59.320 Like your friend is missing is so fucked up. 0:31:02.520 --> 0:31:04.520 So they're in this room. 0:31:04.800 --> 0:31:07.440 There's risers and it's a gym, but there's a stage, 0:31:07.480 --> 0:31:10.160 there's ping pong, and there's drums, so it's a really 0:31:10.160 --> 0:31:13.120 a multipurpose room. And at the top of the risers, 0:31:13.200 --> 0:31:15.400 Benson spots a shoe and runs up, and then she 0:31:15.480 --> 0:31:18.040 keeps calling for Zoe, and then she sees clothing on 0:31:18.080 --> 0:31:20.480 a railing and then she's on the ground and we 0:31:20.520 --> 0:31:23.080 see her all the way down the bleachers on the ground, 0:31:23.160 --> 0:31:26.840 splat in a broad and shorts full like and yeah, 0:31:26.880 --> 0:31:30.800 a really distorted body pose. And Finn runs the fastest 0:31:30.840 --> 0:31:33.640 I've ever seen him run, and now they have to 0:31:33.680 --> 0:31:36.280 push back all these ball cages, or like pulling these 0:31:36.320 --> 0:31:39.600 cages of balls back. She's not waking up, and Finn 0:31:39.640 --> 0:31:42.720 calls for a bus while Benson comfort Zoe. 0:31:43.400 --> 0:31:45.160 They're taking her to Mercy. 0:31:45.360 --> 0:31:48.040 They have the best pediatric I see you in the 0:31:48.080 --> 0:31:50.920 city and the mom goes in the ambulance and the 0:31:50.960 --> 0:31:53.680 teacher asks if Zoe's gonna be okay, and Benson's being 0:31:53.680 --> 0:31:56.160 a bitch. But it's like she could have done actually 0:31:56.240 --> 0:32:00.560 her count and counted everyone inside and then the thing happened. 0:32:00.600 --> 0:32:04.040 So but you know, missing kid, Benson's got to work. 0:32:04.080 --> 0:32:05.800 So finns, I just feel like they would have had 0:32:05.920 --> 0:32:08.880 dogs out before they went and tracked down a random 0:32:08.880 --> 0:32:11.880 guy on a bike, I believe, Yeah, yeah, why wouldn't 0:32:11.880 --> 0:32:14.200 they look through like even though they didn't, yeah, you 0:32:14.200 --> 0:32:17.520 would look through the bathroom, you would look yeah. 0:32:17.560 --> 0:32:17.960 Okay. 0:32:18.040 --> 0:32:20.920 So even though Benson's being a bitch, Finn is talking 0:32:20.960 --> 0:32:22.760 to the coach and he's like, do you have any 0:32:22.800 --> 0:32:24.280 idea why they would be in the gym? 0:32:24.520 --> 0:32:25.680 She goes, I have no idea. 0:32:25.680 --> 0:32:27.680 I told them to change, get what they needed from 0:32:27.720 --> 0:32:30.160 their lockers, and wait at the front door for pickups. 0:32:30.880 --> 0:32:33.720 But we're at the hospital, and thank goodness, no sign 0:32:33.720 --> 0:32:36.760 of sexual assault, so that's good. Rollins joins them, and 0:32:36.800 --> 0:32:40.320 she is fuming. She's like she was here the whole time, 0:32:40.320 --> 0:32:43.960 where her friends fucking lied to us. And Benson goes 0:32:44.080 --> 0:32:46.600 take them in and I hope they get charged, these 0:32:46.640 --> 0:32:49.480 little brats. And so Creasy is with the blonde and 0:32:49.520 --> 0:32:52.760 cement room bars and Rollins is with the hat but hatless, 0:32:53.240 --> 0:32:55.600 and they're gonna do a back and forth cutting between 0:32:55.600 --> 0:32:58.560 the rooms. And here's what we learn, Red Parrot. It's 0:32:58.600 --> 0:33:01.760 a YouTube dare game, and for a full day, you 0:33:01.760 --> 0:33:03.760 have to do everything your friends dare you to do. 0:33:04.200 --> 0:33:07.480 So Lily was first, and yesterday was Lisa and today 0:33:07.960 --> 0:33:11.680 was Zoe. At lunch, she spilled her soda and then 0:33:11.760 --> 0:33:13.960 she also had to tell the poor coach Claire that 0:33:14.040 --> 0:33:16.640 she had bad breath, so a really tough day for her. 0:33:17.160 --> 0:33:20.680 And then the cheek kiss, and then when they got 0:33:20.720 --> 0:33:22.440 back to change it was going to be her last 0:33:22.560 --> 0:33:24.960 dare and they told her to run a lap in 0:33:25.000 --> 0:33:27.320 the gym in her underwear. They thought it would be 0:33:27.320 --> 0:33:29.680 funny to throw her clothes up on the bleachers, and 0:33:29.720 --> 0:33:31.760 so she started to climb up to grab her clothes. 0:33:32.120 --> 0:33:34.440 They ran away. They're so sorry, but it was too 0:33:34.600 --> 0:33:36.360 you know, it's too late. Fuck you guys, No one 0:33:36.360 --> 0:33:41.120 cares about your little sorries. And yeah, so so like 0:33:42.080 --> 0:33:44.760 they didn't know she fell, Like did they know she fell? 0:33:44.880 --> 0:33:46.680 They ran away, like they didn't known till later that 0:33:46.720 --> 0:33:49.520 she fell, but they knew she wasn't with that guy, 0:33:49.840 --> 0:33:51.320 like either way they list So I. 0:33:51.240 --> 0:33:53.400 Don't understand why they sent the police on a wild 0:33:53.480 --> 0:33:56.360 fucking goose she because could have gone when they could 0:33:56.360 --> 0:33:57.800 have gone. Oh, last time we saw her was in 0:33:57.840 --> 0:33:58.760 the gym and that's it. 0:33:59.440 --> 0:34:03.400 They should on a juvenile like yeah, like detention centers, 0:34:03.440 --> 0:34:05.960 like these are the worst girls ever. These are the 0:34:05.960 --> 0:34:07.760 girls that grow up to be the girls in the episode, 0:34:07.760 --> 0:34:10.160 mean you know what I mean? Yeah, Like, fuck are 0:34:10.200 --> 0:34:13.080 you doing lying in this position when like you're right, 0:34:13.280 --> 0:34:14.840 they don't confirm if. 0:34:16.120 --> 0:34:19.120 They knew she fell or not, but they must have. 0:34:19.200 --> 0:34:23.120 The cops are there, she's missing, Like yeah, So they're 0:34:23.120 --> 0:34:23.560 at the hospital. 0:34:23.640 --> 0:34:24.400 The parents are stressed. 0:34:24.440 --> 0:34:27.040 Zoe's in surgery and they're trying to relieve the pressure 0:34:27.040 --> 0:34:30.040 in her brain and it's been hours. So then a 0:34:30.120 --> 0:34:33.560 stern center part blonde doctor walks out and Benson and 0:34:33.560 --> 0:34:36.960 Finn give them space, and from the parent's reaction, we 0:34:37.040 --> 0:34:40.040 realize that Zoe is dead and Benson goes, what she 0:34:40.200 --> 0:34:41.560 was breathing when I found her? 0:34:41.640 --> 0:34:43.440 Like, what the fuck? You know? 0:34:43.520 --> 0:34:46.440 She was so hopeful and she goes, yeah, well, the 0:34:46.440 --> 0:34:48.839 impact caused brain swelling and it was too severe and 0:34:48.880 --> 0:34:52.120 she died during surgery. And Benson asked if they found 0:34:52.120 --> 0:34:56.200 her earlier, would it have made a difference, and she says, no, 0:34:57.040 --> 0:35:00.800 I don't believe it, because if the brain is swelling, 0:35:00.800 --> 0:35:02.520 maybe it wasn't as swelled like they. 0:35:02.400 --> 0:35:05.520 Could have, you know, yeah, Like I can't, I don't know, 0:35:05.560 --> 0:35:06.759 maybe not. I guess I can't. 0:35:06.800 --> 0:35:09.120 I can't understand how she could make the determination that 0:35:09.160 --> 0:35:11.560 it wouldn't have mattered, like that's that that also I 0:35:11.640 --> 0:35:13.280 flag that too, Cardanov. 0:35:13.960 --> 0:35:16.040 And she but she says, I'm sure that Emmy will 0:35:16.040 --> 0:35:19.360 declare manner of death accidental. Benson shakes her head and 0:35:19.400 --> 0:35:22.480 closes her eyes, like this is so fucking sad. Finnish 0:35:22.600 --> 0:35:27.520 squinty eyed, furrowed brow, suspicious Corisian Rollins are chatting at 0:35:27.560 --> 0:35:30.680 a very retro coffee machine and they're talking about dumb 0:35:30.719 --> 0:35:33.440 things they did as a kid, and Amanda, surprised surprise, 0:35:33.480 --> 0:35:35.799 stole her dad's gun, told her friend to hold a can, 0:35:35.920 --> 0:35:37.480 and then shot at her friend and it went through 0:35:37.520 --> 0:35:41.640 her friend's sweatshirt so close. Call Stone marches in for details. 0:35:41.680 --> 0:35:44.160 The girls have been kicked out of sports camp and 0:35:44.200 --> 0:35:46.960 they have to live with this forever and all kids lie, 0:35:47.200 --> 0:35:49.000 I don't care. I would have charged them. I would 0:35:49.000 --> 0:35:51.160 have charged them for lying to the police. And it 0:35:51.239 --> 0:35:53.560 just doesn't make with an investigation. How do you know 0:35:53.600 --> 0:35:54.600 you're in trouble? 0:35:55.239 --> 0:35:56.759 How do you know you're in trouble unless they saw 0:35:56.800 --> 0:35:58.640 her fall and then they didn't do any yeah, exactly. 0:35:59.280 --> 0:36:01.920 Like so if they just left her, they'd be like, oh, 0:36:02.000 --> 0:36:03.400 we saw her in the gym, Like she was just 0:36:03.400 --> 0:36:05.160 in the gym, and then she could be in there, oh, 0:36:05.200 --> 0:36:08.279 trying to find her clothes, naked in their minds, you know, yeah, 0:36:08.480 --> 0:36:09.200 in her underwear. 0:36:09.440 --> 0:36:09.720 Yeah. 0:36:09.760 --> 0:36:12.479 And otherwise, if they saw her fall, they were like, fuck, 0:36:12.520 --> 0:36:14.040 we got to get out of here. This is our fault. 0:36:14.160 --> 0:36:17.000 And then they sent their fucking cops with a red herring. 0:36:17.560 --> 0:36:20.520 And that's diabolical, like, you know. 0:36:20.520 --> 0:36:24.560 They belong in prison. But soone agrees that it's an accident. 0:36:24.680 --> 0:36:28.440 And just to let it go okay. Benson and Stabler 0:36:28.840 --> 0:36:32.600 meet the parents to share condolences, and the mom goes, oh, 0:36:32.600 --> 0:36:35.279 I remember Zoe's ring. I want it right now, I 0:36:35.320 --> 0:36:37.879 need it right now. Let's go get her ring. And 0:36:38.120 --> 0:36:40.399 you know, she's bandaged up on her head, which makes 0:36:40.400 --> 0:36:42.799 sense with the fall, and her mom walks over and 0:36:42.840 --> 0:36:46.360 places her hands on her. It's like a really sad scene. 0:36:46.680 --> 0:36:48.759 And then she moves the blanket down to get the ring, 0:36:48.960 --> 0:36:53.000 and suddenly we see there's an incision on Zoe's chest, 0:36:53.239 --> 0:36:56.319 like a giant incision. Mom is like, what is this? 0:36:56.440 --> 0:36:59.040 They look all the way down her waist. Benson is shocked. 0:36:59.400 --> 0:37:02.960 She goes to this blonde bitch doctor and she's talking 0:37:02.960 --> 0:37:05.319 with a kid. You know, she's a doctor for the kids, 0:37:05.360 --> 0:37:07.799 and she's being silly, and the detectives are like, get 0:37:07.800 --> 0:37:11.200 the fuck out. So she's outside. They ask about the incision. 0:37:11.800 --> 0:37:15.239 She harvested the organs. She goes two beautiful kidneys, a 0:37:15.280 --> 0:37:17.480 liver and a heart. So the parents did not sign 0:37:17.480 --> 0:37:20.719 off on this, obviously, and she knows that she's been caught, 0:37:20.760 --> 0:37:23.160 you could tell by her face. And the detectives are 0:37:23.239 --> 0:37:24.879 kind of shocked by all this. And they go where 0:37:24.920 --> 0:37:27.680 are the organs now? And a heart is being taken 0:37:27.680 --> 0:37:30.040 to Buffalo and Benson goes, they need to turn around. 0:37:30.080 --> 0:37:33.600 She goes, it's a helicopter on the roof, so she's like, 0:37:34.120 --> 0:37:36.520 she tells Finn stay with her, and Benson runs to 0:37:36.560 --> 0:37:37.960 the roof to stop this heart. 0:37:38.400 --> 0:37:40.680 As she runs, we hear Finn say, are you kidding me? 0:37:40.880 --> 0:37:43.879 To the dock. This isn't the background. I don't even 0:37:43.880 --> 0:37:44.600 know if you caught it. 0:37:44.640 --> 0:37:47.120 Like Benson's running and that's in the foreground of the seed, 0:37:47.239 --> 0:37:49.759 but in the back it's like, he just goes, are 0:37:49.760 --> 0:37:50.440 you kidding me? 0:37:52.520 --> 0:37:53.239 I just love him? 0:37:53.280 --> 0:37:56.239 This helicopter guy is so fucking hot. I am in 0:37:56.280 --> 0:37:59.600 love with him. But his IMDb photo sadly does not 0:37:59.680 --> 0:38:03.239 translate the hotness as well he does in this episode, 0:38:03.320 --> 0:38:07.440 so just just leave it at this episode, guys don't google. 0:38:07.840 --> 0:38:09.400 And he's like, what's the problem. 0:38:09.520 --> 0:38:11.920 There's a terminally ill boy and we have to save him, 0:38:11.920 --> 0:38:14.120 and Benson goes, no, this is like I need this 0:38:14.160 --> 0:38:18.640 in custody. Give me the cooler, and Benson goes, you're 0:38:18.640 --> 0:38:20.320 gonna have you know this little boy, and Buffalo is 0:38:20.320 --> 0:38:22.040 gonna have to wait for another heart. He goes, no, 0:38:22.200 --> 0:38:24.560 this heart is a miracle. This boy's been waiting for 0:38:24.600 --> 0:38:28.960 three years. And Benson is very conflicted, but it's like, 0:38:29.520 --> 0:38:30.160 what do we do? 0:38:30.280 --> 0:38:30.839 What do we do? 0:38:31.480 --> 0:38:34.000 And he goes, it's wheels up or this kid dies. 0:38:34.160 --> 0:38:37.400 It's very hard. Benson goes to the hospital church area. 0:38:37.480 --> 0:38:40.280 The parents are there and she breaks it down for them. 0:38:40.480 --> 0:38:43.399 They're so distraught and it was you know, it's done 0:38:43.400 --> 0:38:46.040 without their permission. And then when the mom hears the heart, 0:38:46.120 --> 0:38:50.520 she goes, they took her heart like she she can't 0:38:50.520 --> 0:38:53.280 even believe it, and Benson goes, yeah, it's being harvested. 0:38:53.360 --> 0:38:58.320 The word harvested is what's like the toughest harvested for transplantation. 0:38:58.480 --> 0:39:02.160 The dad is stunned. Helicopter to Buffalo. What are the 0:39:02.160 --> 0:39:04.399 parents gonna do? The mom goes, no, this is how 0:39:04.480 --> 0:39:06.520 is this happening? I can't I can't do this. The 0:39:06.600 --> 0:39:09.439 dad asks for a few days, and it's no. It's 0:39:09.440 --> 0:39:11.680 like if the helicopter does not leave within ten minutes, 0:39:11.960 --> 0:39:15.080 the heart is useless. So the mom didn't like the 0:39:15.160 --> 0:39:18.840 language of useless. Benson immediately apologizes and she knows that 0:39:18.920 --> 0:39:21.120 it was wrong, but basically it's like, do you want 0:39:21.120 --> 0:39:23.439 to save this boy's life or not. The dad goes, 0:39:23.440 --> 0:39:26.359 maybe we should, and the mom goes, it's just not right. 0:39:26.880 --> 0:39:30.080 There are pieces of her missing, and this mom is 0:39:30.200 --> 0:39:33.239 crying and Benson's walking to the cooler and the helicopter 0:39:33.280 --> 0:39:36.320 guy is pleading. He's like tellingm I denied your orders 0:39:36.440 --> 0:39:38.719 or I was already gone. You got here late, like 0:39:38.840 --> 0:39:41.520 I will take the fall for it. Benson goes, I can't. 0:39:41.960 --> 0:39:45.080 That would be committing a crime. And he's like fine, 0:39:45.160 --> 0:39:47.560 I'll commit a crime. And Finn goes, come on, like, 0:39:47.640 --> 0:39:51.960 maybe we just got here too late, and Benson is like, no, no, 0:39:52.160 --> 0:39:56.440 and she walks inside. I disagree with Benson here, so 0:39:56.600 --> 0:40:00.279 do I. I agree with the parents. It's fucked up, 0:40:00.719 --> 0:40:01.840 and I get up. 0:40:01.920 --> 0:40:03.600 But at the same time, there's a three year old 0:40:03.640 --> 0:40:05.080 boy and that the heart's not going to bring the 0:40:05.160 --> 0:40:08.920 daughter back, like yeah, like, oh my god, we just 0:40:08.960 --> 0:40:10.440 got up there and the helicopter was. 0:40:10.400 --> 0:40:11.040 Just taking off. 0:40:11.400 --> 0:40:13.680 We're so sorry because I understand where the parents are. 0:40:14.040 --> 0:40:15.600 Their kid truly just died moments. 0:40:15.840 --> 0:40:18.400 Let the cops, let the parents sue the hospital and 0:40:18.440 --> 0:40:20.279 get less. You know, I'm just saying I don't think 0:40:20.280 --> 0:40:22.840 bringing that cooler of the heart back to them, stops 0:40:22.880 --> 0:40:24.320 what happened or makes it better. 0:40:24.760 --> 0:40:28.440 Yeah, Benson fucked up here. She should have let the 0:40:28.440 --> 0:40:32.200 heart go and say or been like, fine, I'll arrest 0:40:32.239 --> 0:40:33.399 the helicopter guy when he's back. 0:40:34.080 --> 0:40:34.600 Yeah. 0:40:34.880 --> 0:40:39.000 I didn't agree here with Benson. Blonde is in Wooden Room, 0:40:39.480 --> 0:40:42.120 but there's well should we say that this actress is 0:40:42.200 --> 0:40:45.560 named Janelle Maloney, which I'm obsessed with because it sounds 0:40:45.560 --> 0:40:49.880 so much like Jenna Maroney from thirty Rock. But she's 0:40:50.000 --> 0:40:53.120 also like in that new show The Better Sister, which 0:40:53.360 --> 0:40:56.880 is a Megan Fahey joint. Right, wait that one. No, 0:40:57.440 --> 0:41:01.640 The Better Sister is mals the Oh it's a different one. Yeah, sorry, 0:41:01.800 --> 0:41:04.960 what were you watching The Better Sister? I was, Oh, yeah, 0:41:05.000 --> 0:41:07.480 Elizabeth Banks and Jessica Bielle that one. So she's in 0:41:07.520 --> 0:41:10.760 five episodes of that. But she's also know I can't 0:41:10.760 --> 0:41:14.839 why don't I know who she was? Sheila? It says 0:41:14.840 --> 0:41:17.359 her name is Sheila. Maybe she was a cop. Well, 0:41:17.440 --> 0:41:21.120 she's also a boss on organized crime. I forgot about 0:41:21.120 --> 0:41:22.960 that too, And she's an FBS so she's in the 0:41:23.080 --> 0:41:24.360 universe of. 0:41:26.200 --> 0:41:26.719 Dick Wolf. 0:41:26.800 --> 0:41:28.640 But she's also I think well known for the West 0:41:28.680 --> 0:41:38.640 Wing and the leftovers anyway, Jenna Maroney, everybody, Janelle Maloney. 0:41:36.640 --> 0:41:39.799 Yeah, she, I mean, she's very good in this role. Ah, 0:41:40.000 --> 0:41:43.719 she's great, and we have her in wooden room. So 0:41:43.960 --> 0:41:46.240 but but it's not just it. But it's not classic 0:41:46.239 --> 0:41:48.120 woodroom blinds because there is a two way mirror, and 0:41:48.160 --> 0:41:50.520 I don't feel like all the rooms of the wood 0:41:50.640 --> 0:41:54.080 have this. So we're in a new place. She's very cold. 0:41:54.120 --> 0:41:57.000 Matter of fact, she goes, she hit her head. It's swelled. 0:41:57.040 --> 0:42:01.000 We tried everything we could, fluid crushing brainstem, that lights out, 0:42:01.120 --> 0:42:04.640 pronounced dead with neurological criteria. Yeah, the heart was beating, 0:42:04.719 --> 0:42:07.360 but that's fine, and that's actually the perfect condition for 0:42:07.400 --> 0:42:10.239 harvesting organs. I don't know why I talk like that. 0:42:10.360 --> 0:42:14.160 It was my interpretation of cold, cold and uncaring, but 0:42:14.239 --> 0:42:17.120 it sounded more like I couldn't read a robot learning 0:42:17.160 --> 0:42:17.480 to read. 0:42:18.480 --> 0:42:20.520 But that's the deal. 0:42:20.560 --> 0:42:21.600 She doesn't care about this girl. 0:42:21.680 --> 0:42:25.000 She goes, Yeah, her brain's dead, the heart's pumping. I'm 0:42:25.000 --> 0:42:27.920 taking it, and so she did. So they go. 0:42:28.080 --> 0:42:30.200 So you took it upon yourself to think the parents 0:42:30.239 --> 0:42:33.560 would consent or like what, she goes, Yeah, I did 0:42:33.560 --> 0:42:35.720 not have a convon I didn't ask to have a convo. 0:42:36.040 --> 0:42:38.360 She couldn't risk them saying no, and she had another 0:42:38.480 --> 0:42:43.120 child to consider that's alive. And Benson is stunned, and 0:42:43.520 --> 0:42:48.080 the whole episode, Benson is stunned, shocked, taken aback, like 0:42:48.200 --> 0:42:51.239 a lot out of this kind of energy. So Benson goes, oh, 0:42:51.239 --> 0:42:53.719 so a donask, don't tell, and the lady says, well, 0:42:53.760 --> 0:42:56.520 why not, and Benson goes because the law says you 0:42:56.640 --> 0:43:00.360 need to explicit consent. And she goes, the law is 0:43:00.400 --> 0:43:03.040 wrong and Benson says, that's not for you to decide, 0:43:03.520 --> 0:43:05.600 and she puts it back on Benson and goes, would 0:43:05.600 --> 0:43:06.840 you bend the law to save a life? 0:43:07.400 --> 0:43:09.279 And you know, she's quiet. 0:43:09.320 --> 0:43:11.480 But what I love about this doctor she does call 0:43:11.560 --> 0:43:14.359 Benson lieutenant and that never happens, like no one ever 0:43:14.440 --> 0:43:19.840 talked like, gives her her proper rank and Benson doesn't respond, 0:43:19.840 --> 0:43:21.640 and she goes, yeah, I thought so, so you don't 0:43:21.640 --> 0:43:24.680 strike me as an absolutist, so let's have some respect 0:43:24.680 --> 0:43:26.839 for each other. She says, I can't do what you do, 0:43:27.160 --> 0:43:29.000 and I don't think you're in a position a second 0:43:29.040 --> 0:43:30.560 guess my professional judgment. 0:43:31.960 --> 0:43:38.560 I mean, she like she is eloquent, what is it concise? Direct? 0:43:39.880 --> 0:43:42.399 Benson agrees and says, you're right, but that's not my call. 0:43:43.239 --> 0:43:44.560 So now we're in a walk and talk in the 0:43:44.600 --> 0:43:46.879 courts and it's Benson and Stone, and he's like, wait, 0:43:46.920 --> 0:43:49.520 so you're telling me she presumed consent by the parents, 0:43:50.120 --> 0:43:53.759 and Benson goes, well, no presumption, basically nothing stopping her. 0:43:53.840 --> 0:43:54.399 She doesn't care. 0:43:54.560 --> 0:43:56.560 She like cut this kid open and took the heart. 0:43:56.880 --> 0:43:58.760 And Benson doesn't think this should be in a criminal 0:43:58.800 --> 0:44:02.000 court though, And this is where I disagree. I think 0:44:02.000 --> 0:44:04.879 this woman committed a crime. So Stone goes, well, it's 0:44:04.880 --> 0:44:07.200 a felony, and Benson says, and I was really close 0:44:07.239 --> 0:44:10.200 to being a part of this felony. And he goes, oh, fuck, 0:44:10.280 --> 0:44:11.040 you stopped it. 0:44:11.280 --> 0:44:12.200 So Stone is. 0:44:12.120 --> 0:44:15.280 Pretty shocked by that, and she goes, listen, I'm still 0:44:15.320 --> 0:44:17.600 not sure I made the right call. And Stone goes, okay, 0:44:17.680 --> 0:44:20.560 so going to court or not going to court shouldn't 0:44:20.560 --> 0:44:24.319 like be used to assuade your guilt. And he suggests like, well, 0:44:24.360 --> 0:44:26.000 let's see if this was a one off thing or 0:44:26.040 --> 0:44:28.719 a pattern that she does. I'll hold off on getting 0:44:28.719 --> 0:44:32.239 an arrest warrant and I'll talk to Zoe's parents. So 0:44:32.400 --> 0:44:34.320 this is a pretty good plan and I'm really impressed 0:44:34.360 --> 0:44:37.680 with Stone here. So we're now at the Northeast organ network. 0:44:37.760 --> 0:44:41.160 Carise and Finn are on the scene and they asked 0:44:41.200 --> 0:44:44.000 how long has she been in the harvesting business? And 0:44:44.120 --> 0:44:46.200 they need a pr switch, They need a new word. 0:44:46.360 --> 0:44:48.719 They needed a new word. It should be like transition 0:44:49.040 --> 0:44:53.200 organ network. So five or six years ago she started 0:44:53.239 --> 0:44:56.640 sending pediatric organs, which are very hard to come by, 0:44:57.160 --> 0:44:59.960 and Carisy goes, and you just accept it, no questions asked, 0:45:00.000 --> 0:45:02.360 and she goes, no, no, no, All her paperwork is always 0:45:02.400 --> 0:45:02.839 in order. 0:45:03.440 --> 0:45:04.400 And what paperwork? 0:45:04.520 --> 0:45:06.600 She lists a few different forms, but then she says 0:45:06.640 --> 0:45:11.040 consent forms ding, ding, ding, So that means her paperwork 0:45:11.120 --> 0:45:14.600 is not in order. Right, you're saying her paperwork's an order, 0:45:14.640 --> 0:45:17.520 but she did not ask for consent. So this bitch 0:45:17.680 --> 0:45:21.759 is yeah, felony, and the woman is shocked. She goes, wait, 0:45:21.920 --> 0:45:24.719 is the doctor and her investigation and they say yes, 0:45:24.960 --> 0:45:27.000 and the woman goes, well, we can't afford to lose 0:45:27.040 --> 0:45:30.239 this doctor. And Christy goes, okay, well we still need 0:45:30.280 --> 0:45:33.120 the records. So we're back at the precincts for a 0:45:33.120 --> 0:45:37.120 group meeting and basically with this organization, thirty five children's 0:45:37.280 --> 0:45:42.000 organs were harvested, but only four families remember signing a form, 0:45:42.320 --> 0:45:45.640 so that means thirty one families plus Zoe's family didn't 0:45:45.680 --> 0:45:49.759 even know their children's organs were taken. But there's a 0:45:49.800 --> 0:45:54.200 completed form for each kid. So like this is out 0:45:54.200 --> 0:45:58.239 of the Teresa Judais playbook. You can't can't for signatures, 0:45:58.880 --> 0:46:02.400 you can't forge signatures, and there's a completed one for 0:46:02.480 --> 0:46:05.080 each kid. They all have the same handwriting, and this 0:46:05.160 --> 0:46:08.279 is like the dumbest part of this episode. So they go, 0:46:08.480 --> 0:46:11.520 you know, the sevens all have a European cross on them, 0:46:11.800 --> 0:46:14.480 and Rollins goes, yeah, and you know she did study 0:46:14.480 --> 0:46:16.680 in Oxford for two years, Like who cares? 0:46:16.719 --> 0:46:19.000 So she was in two years she learned how to 0:46:19.040 --> 0:46:21.000 cross her sevens. I do a cross on my seven 0:46:21.120 --> 0:46:24.280 I do too a lot. Yeah, yeah, no Oxford here. 0:46:25.160 --> 0:46:29.160 So so Stone is saying that's forgery at a minimum. 0:46:29.600 --> 0:46:33.200 So it's like, yeah, organs are not that they like, 0:46:33.280 --> 0:46:34.800 you can't fucking do these. 0:46:35.120 --> 0:46:35.680 Yeah. 0:46:36.200 --> 0:46:38.520 Stone goes to Zoe's parents' house, who are planning their 0:46:38.600 --> 0:46:41.640 daughter's funeral, and he's like, sorry, but I have to 0:46:41.680 --> 0:46:44.239 loop you in and what we found out about this woman? 0:46:44.280 --> 0:46:46.960 And Stone is here chatting, and now the families are 0:46:47.000 --> 0:46:51.400 considering filing separate charges for forgery. And the mom responds, like, 0:46:51.440 --> 0:46:54.279 what else is there to even consider? She cut my 0:46:54.640 --> 0:46:58.600 daughter's chest and ripped out her still beating heart, and 0:46:58.680 --> 0:47:01.319 she violated the law, Like what are the questions? I 0:47:01.320 --> 0:47:05.279 don't understand there's actually like I don't there's no question here. 0:47:05.360 --> 0:47:07.360 She broke the law. It is what it is like. 0:47:08.480 --> 0:47:12.279 And he tries to talk about ethics, and the mom goes, 0:47:12.360 --> 0:47:15.160 don't just don't you think it's ethical? You think it's 0:47:15.160 --> 0:47:18.439 ethical that she stole my child's body parts? What gave 0:47:18.480 --> 0:47:21.120 her the right to do that? A medical degree? And 0:47:21.160 --> 0:47:24.520 the dad is raging, like, she had no right to 0:47:24.560 --> 0:47:27.080 do that to us, to Zoe. You bring them to 0:47:27.120 --> 0:47:29.320 the hospital to take care of them, and you trust 0:47:29.320 --> 0:47:31.800 them with your baby and they give her to a vulture. 0:47:33.040 --> 0:47:35.200 So we see the doc is scrubbing up and criesye 0:47:35.200 --> 0:47:37.360 and Rollins are there, and she says, oh, so the 0:47:37.400 --> 0:47:41.160 bird camps are pressing charges and Cariesy says, that's the 0:47:41.239 --> 0:47:43.640 least to your problems, and she's so mad at the 0:47:43.640 --> 0:47:46.279 cuffs and it's like, you are not special, You're a 0:47:46.320 --> 0:47:48.640 little gog complex, Like who do you think you are? 0:47:49.120 --> 0:47:50.640 Yeah, you're getting the cuffs. 0:47:51.360 --> 0:47:54.400 So she's like, well, once this nonsense has cleared up, 0:47:54.440 --> 0:47:57.239 lots of children are gonna need my help. And so 0:47:57.280 --> 0:48:00.640 we're again group projects at the precinct time. We need 0:48:00.960 --> 0:48:02.839 an accurate we need like a quick way to talk 0:48:02.840 --> 0:48:07.400 about brainstorming group chats at this at the station. I 0:48:07.440 --> 0:48:09.720 need like a word that we all agree upon, because 0:48:09.760 --> 0:48:12.560 every time I just like cannot keep saying the center precinct. 0:48:12.800 --> 0:48:15.359 We're back at the office, We're back talking. We're back 0:48:15.400 --> 0:48:18.160 in a group meeting brainstorm. I can't we need a 0:48:18.200 --> 0:48:18.799 word for it. 0:48:18.920 --> 0:48:22.480 What is it? The gang's all in the scrum. I 0:48:22.520 --> 0:48:23.440 don't know what to tell you. 0:48:23.560 --> 0:48:28.640 The scrum why sprum is like in rugby, But I 0:48:28.760 --> 0:48:32.520 like the first part. It's huddle, a huddle. The gang's 0:48:32.520 --> 0:48:34.680 in the huddle. They're in the huddle. I knew, I 0:48:34.760 --> 0:48:35.760 knew you were going to come. 0:48:35.600 --> 0:48:36.080 Through with this. 0:48:36.239 --> 0:48:40.520 So so we're in the huddle and I'm so happy. 0:48:40.719 --> 0:48:45.120 I'm like so relieved. I'm so relieved. 0:48:45.960 --> 0:48:49.640 O God, Okay, so okay, So we're talking about all 0:48:49.680 --> 0:48:52.400 these forgeries and what's wild? No financials, no money. She 0:48:52.480 --> 0:48:56.319 donates a lot of money to charity. Actually, but the 0:48:56.400 --> 0:49:00.480 jail time is seven years per count, so it's thirty 0:49:00.560 --> 0:49:04.799 two counts seven years each. Finn pipes up, that's a 0:49:04.800 --> 0:49:08.680 lot of time over some paperwork. And if Zoe's parents 0:49:08.719 --> 0:49:13.400 speak like yeah, double digits upstate and Carisy goes, no way, 0:49:13.480 --> 0:49:15.480 they're really gonna do this, like we can't do this, 0:49:15.560 --> 0:49:18.879 and Stone goes, listen, I can't blame them, And Caristy goes, 0:49:18.920 --> 0:49:22.240 I think she's a saint, forgery or not? And Rollin 0:49:22.920 --> 0:49:25.400 asks if he'd be okay with some doctor ripping a 0:49:25.480 --> 0:49:29.120 heart out of their kid, and Cariese says two doctors 0:49:29.120 --> 0:49:32.640 signed off that she was dead, and Rollin gets riled 0:49:32.719 --> 0:49:36.120 up and screams. So hospital bureaucrats get to decide what 0:49:36.280 --> 0:49:39.600 parents do with their dead child's body parts, and fin 0:49:39.760 --> 0:49:42.239 is with caries and doesn't see the big deal. Dead 0:49:42.440 --> 0:49:45.600 is dead. Stone doesn't care what everyone thinks. He cares 0:49:45.600 --> 0:49:48.239 about the law. So if you have if you don't 0:49:48.280 --> 0:49:51.239 have consent, you can't do it. Isn't that what we talk? Yeah, 0:49:51.400 --> 0:49:55.080 rape anything you need consent. It's a felony. And I agree, 0:49:55.160 --> 0:49:58.279 So coorch March twelfth, the mom's on the stand. She's 0:49:58.320 --> 0:50:00.279 in shock. She's like, this is the worst day of 0:50:00.280 --> 0:50:03.040 our lives. She's like she can't stop crying, and like 0:50:03.160 --> 0:50:05.120 one day you kiss your daughter goodbye, and the next 0:50:05.160 --> 0:50:07.160 day she can't even you know, she can't even finish 0:50:07.200 --> 0:50:09.440 her sentence. They look at the form and it's not 0:50:09.560 --> 0:50:13.200 her handwriting and not her signature. So that's evidence enough 0:50:13.200 --> 0:50:15.520 for the charges. Like how is there even a defense? 0:50:15.680 --> 0:50:19.840 Like I don't understand. So Nicki stains is the defense attorney. 0:50:19.880 --> 0:50:22.160 And her point is that Benson and the doctor agreed 0:50:22.239 --> 0:50:25.839 to donate, and Benson was even trying to convince the parents, right, 0:50:25.880 --> 0:50:28.360 And the mom goes, yeah, and it was very upsetting 0:50:28.360 --> 0:50:30.399 and it had only been a few minutes andes Zoe 0:50:30.640 --> 0:50:33.080 was dead, and she's like, it was a few minutes 0:50:33.120 --> 0:50:35.480 and Benson was already laying a guilt trip on me. 0:50:35.880 --> 0:50:37.640 And she says, we were in no shape to make 0:50:37.680 --> 0:50:40.960 that decision and the damage was already done. And I 0:50:41.080 --> 0:50:43.080 just don't think it's right that a doctor gets to 0:50:43.160 --> 0:50:46.400 rip apart my baby's heart out of her chest without asking, 0:50:47.120 --> 0:50:49.160 and the doctor does not give a fuck her face 0:50:49.239 --> 0:50:51.080 is like annoyed, and get me back to work. 0:50:51.680 --> 0:50:53.480 Let me go pull the plugs out of more kids. 0:50:53.560 --> 0:50:55.600 And so they put the little boy up there and 0:50:55.680 --> 0:50:57.240 he did not get out her in a sack. 0:50:57.440 --> 0:50:59.880 I wait, I don't think she's pulling plug. 0:50:59.680 --> 0:51:01.839 Because this is like this whole thing reminds me of 0:51:01.960 --> 0:51:04.000 like my dad when I was younger, when I got 0:51:04.040 --> 0:51:06.760 my license, my dad was like, don't check organ donor 0:51:06.800 --> 0:51:09.759 because this is my dad's like whole worldview is He's like, 0:51:10.440 --> 0:51:12.479 if they find you on the side of the road dying, 0:51:12.520 --> 0:51:14.560 they won't work as hard to save you because they 0:51:14.600 --> 0:51:16.960 can save ten people with your organs. And I was 0:51:16.960 --> 0:51:19.080 always like, that's so cynical, Like, and I've been an 0:51:19.160 --> 0:51:22.160 organ donor since I was sixteen, Like I disagree with that, 0:51:22.440 --> 0:51:25.200 Like I don't think she's pulling the plug on anyone, 0:51:25.440 --> 0:51:26.600 like specifically, Well. 0:51:26.520 --> 0:51:28.640 At the end, I thing, we'll see, we could just 0:51:28.719 --> 0:51:30.839 we can reconvene this discussion at the end. 0:51:31.160 --> 0:51:35.920 Okay, okay, because this happens when she's on Yeah. Okay. 0:51:36.080 --> 0:51:40.400 So so now we're on the stand and it's the 0:51:40.440 --> 0:51:42.400 little boy who did not get the heart in Buffalo. 0:51:42.520 --> 0:51:45.000 He has HCM, which is a heart disease where the 0:51:45.080 --> 0:51:48.000 muscle is too thick and doesn't pump right. So he's 0:51:48.000 --> 0:51:50.399 gonna die if he doesn't get a new heart, and we. 0:51:50.320 --> 0:51:51.080 Needed to bring him. 0:51:51.120 --> 0:51:53.160 We needed to bring him in a car, probably six 0:51:53.200 --> 0:51:53.920 hours to New York. 0:51:54.200 --> 0:51:58.920 Like we had to bring him in. It's also to around. 0:51:59.080 --> 0:52:01.000 It's also irrelevant. 0:52:02.160 --> 0:52:05.160 You can't forge documents, like it doesn't matter what it's 0:52:05.160 --> 0:52:08.680 for you, Like I don't I don't understand the I 0:52:08.680 --> 0:52:10.440 get why the defense wants to do this. I don't 0:52:10.440 --> 0:52:14.080 think this witness should have been allowed. It's irrelevant. It 0:52:14.120 --> 0:52:16.880 sayesn't matter. I mean, they have to do what they 0:52:16.880 --> 0:52:20.200 have to do. But so anyways, he's like, yeah, you know, 0:52:20.440 --> 0:52:22.040 I was going to get a new heart. We went 0:52:22.080 --> 0:52:24.759 to the hospital, I got ready for operation, and the 0:52:24.800 --> 0:52:27.040 new heart never came, so I had to go back home. 0:52:27.040 --> 0:52:29.279 And he's sad. Obviously he's been on the waiting list 0:52:29.320 --> 0:52:33.600 for three years. Stone has no questions and he wishes 0:52:33.680 --> 0:52:35.920 him the best. So we're in the hallway. 0:52:36.560 --> 0:52:39.280 We do not usually get that no questions for this witness, 0:52:39.320 --> 0:52:40.680 and I think I speak for everyone when I say 0:52:40.680 --> 0:52:44.279 we wish you all the best. 0:52:45.280 --> 0:52:47.520 Stone tells the parents like damn, that must have been 0:52:47.520 --> 0:52:50.920 hard to listen to and it was, and the dad says, wait, fuck, 0:52:50.960 --> 0:52:52.960 maybe we should drop our case. The mom says no, 0:52:53.400 --> 0:52:55.480 and he goes, maybe we should have listened, like he's 0:52:55.520 --> 0:52:57.759 getting guilt, and Stone goes, no, you shouldn't have to 0:52:57.800 --> 0:53:00.719 make that choice. That's what this is all about. So 0:53:00.760 --> 0:53:02.680 the dad is now defending the doctor like she just 0:53:02.680 --> 0:53:04.960 wanted to save lives, and then he sees that the 0:53:04.960 --> 0:53:07.200 boy and the parents are walking out of court, and 0:53:07.239 --> 0:53:09.120 the dad wants to talk to them, and the mom goes, 0:53:09.160 --> 0:53:10.920 don't you dare and I'm on the mom's side here, 0:53:10.960 --> 0:53:13.759 but the dad runs up and introduces himself, and the 0:53:13.800 --> 0:53:16.839 other dad sharply responds, yeah, we know who you are, 0:53:17.280 --> 0:53:20.360 and the mom says, sorry for your loss, and he 0:53:20.400 --> 0:53:24.200 wants forgiveness, but they don't want to listen to him, 0:53:24.440 --> 0:53:28.440 so they all separate. Dramatic music plays, so we're back 0:53:28.480 --> 0:53:30.719 in court and the doctor's on the stand. She has 0:53:30.760 --> 0:53:33.359 been a Mercy hospital for twelve years and has done 0:53:33.480 --> 0:53:39.279 nineteen hundred surgeries approximately, so the mortality rate for those 0:53:39.280 --> 0:53:42.800 surgeries is three percent, which is half the national average 0:53:42.800 --> 0:53:46.560 for pediatric surgeries. Niki Stain says, so, what is the 0:53:46.560 --> 0:53:50.120 hospital's policy on organ harvesting, and she says, listen, I'll 0:53:50.120 --> 0:53:53.560 be honest, I do not follow my hospital's policy. And 0:53:53.640 --> 0:53:57.040 she's saying this on the stand, which is admitting to guild. 0:53:57.480 --> 0:54:00.120 She says, parents usually don't agree to organ donation, and 0:54:00.200 --> 0:54:03.920 so unless a parent explicitly says no, I presume consent. 0:54:04.440 --> 0:54:06.480 And that is I guess, the law in over twenty 0:54:06.520 --> 0:54:09.200 European countries, but not in the US. And the doctor 0:54:09.239 --> 0:54:13.960 thinks that's embarrassing. But I think that's so crazy. Like 0:54:14.040 --> 0:54:16.520 if I, god forbid. 0:54:16.360 --> 0:54:18.480 Had to make this decision and someone came to me 0:54:18.520 --> 0:54:22.520 and said, hey, your child's heart could save another child 0:54:22.600 --> 0:54:24.799 that is waiting for it, I would be like, take it, 0:54:24.880 --> 0:54:29.319 let's go. I would give it. Hopefully you don't have 0:54:29.400 --> 0:54:30.680 to deal with I hope I never have to make 0:54:30.719 --> 0:54:33.040 that decision. But I have different feelings about like the 0:54:33.080 --> 0:54:36.719 body after it's dead, and I think that absolutely you 0:54:36.760 --> 0:54:39.400 need consent. But I don't know why she didn't just 0:54:39.440 --> 0:54:42.680 like try to frame it to people like, yeah, she 0:54:42.719 --> 0:54:45.040 doesn't care. Yeah, but if she didn't care, she probably 0:54:45.040 --> 0:54:46.640 would have done it after they said no. I mean, 0:54:47.000 --> 0:54:50.040 she doesn't care what the parents think she doesn't care. Yeah, 0:54:50.120 --> 0:54:51.279 she said that, she admitted it. 0:54:51.520 --> 0:54:53.279 She goes, there's a chance they'll say no, So I'd 0:54:53.360 --> 0:54:54.919 rather do it without telling them. 0:54:55.320 --> 0:54:56.360 I just feel like you could. 0:54:56.239 --> 0:54:58.000 Give them a chance to say yes, because I think 0:54:58.000 --> 0:55:01.759 a lot of parents would. But she says that they don't. So, yeah, 0:55:01.760 --> 0:55:04.920 she doesn't care. She doesn't care what anyone thinks. And 0:55:05.040 --> 0:55:08.239 so but then so she's it's what we're talking about now. 0:55:08.280 --> 0:55:11.360 So then she goes, she doesn't ask parents because she 0:55:11.400 --> 0:55:14.520 thinks it's distasteful to ask a parent to make that 0:55:14.640 --> 0:55:17.239 choice at the worst moment of their lives. And so 0:55:17.320 --> 0:55:20.880 I guess it's classier to just steal them. So Nikki 0:55:20.960 --> 0:55:23.360 is being very theatrical and going through all the files 0:55:23.400 --> 0:55:27.040 of all the successful surgeries that have happened through organ donation, 0:55:27.200 --> 0:55:29.120 and Stone puts a stop to it, like we get 0:55:29.120 --> 0:55:31.680 the point. So now Stone and Benson meet up at 0:55:31.680 --> 0:55:33.840 the bar and she regrets her choice on the roof, 0:55:34.880 --> 0:55:38.360 She's like, this isn't police business. So Stone tells a 0:55:38.400 --> 0:55:41.520 story about his dad. What else is new? And it's 0:55:41.520 --> 0:55:43.920 like his number one part of his personality is like 0:55:44.040 --> 0:55:46.600 my dad, my dad, my dad. Okay, but anyways, but 0:55:46.680 --> 0:55:49.000 we like him, we love we love Stone. He has 0:55:49.040 --> 0:55:52.000 three sons and plays baseball. So he tells a story 0:55:52.000 --> 0:55:53.480 that he was at the hospital and he went to 0:55:53.520 --> 0:55:56.080 go get coffee and while he was getting coffee downstairs 0:55:56.120 --> 0:55:58.399 asking for half and half is when his father died. 0:55:58.920 --> 0:56:01.800 And Benson says, that must have been hard, and he says, 0:56:01.880 --> 0:56:03.600 it would have been a lot harder if I came 0:56:03.640 --> 0:56:07.440 back and his organs had been harvested. And so she says, 0:56:07.560 --> 0:56:10.520 you should have seen the parents like looks on their faces. 0:56:11.040 --> 0:56:13.719 And he says, you did the right thing. And she goes, 0:56:13.760 --> 0:56:16.239 but what if the boys dies? Then what you know? 0:56:16.320 --> 0:56:18.080 Then I did the right thing. Who gives a shit? 0:56:18.160 --> 0:56:21.200 And Stone goes, nothing is easy when it's not, you know, 0:56:21.680 --> 0:56:24.160 black and white, but nothing is gray for this doctor, 0:56:24.320 --> 0:56:26.000 Like she must have known this is going to catch 0:56:26.080 --> 0:56:29.200 up with her. Benson thinks, like she's so hardcore, doesn't 0:56:29.200 --> 0:56:31.720 even make money for this, like something like she's putting 0:56:31.719 --> 0:56:35.439 her life on the line for this, for just this, 0:56:36.200 --> 0:56:39.160 And so that gets Stone thinking and he go and 0:56:39.239 --> 0:56:41.960 so he's like, Okay, well what about all these charity donations. 0:56:42.000 --> 0:56:44.840 Maybe all these charity things are actually funneling money for 0:56:45.040 --> 0:56:47.799 organs or something. So Benson's going to check it out, 0:56:48.160 --> 0:56:51.360 and we're in court hallway. Rollins comes to Stone in 0:56:51.360 --> 0:56:54.680 a hurry with a file that the doctor donates fifty 0:56:54.719 --> 0:56:57.960 thousand dollars a year to the Children's Heart Procurement Fund 0:56:58.320 --> 0:57:01.319 and she dedicates it to and Rollins points in the 0:57:01.320 --> 0:57:04.360 paper and we're getting a cliffhanger till court. So the 0:57:04.440 --> 0:57:07.840 doctor's back up there and Stone goes, so, you admit 0:57:07.880 --> 0:57:10.960 to forgery, right, He says, you're above the law. You 0:57:10.960 --> 0:57:13.080 think you're above the law. She goes, well, when the 0:57:13.160 --> 0:57:15.480 law is wrong, and when the law is harmful, we 0:57:15.600 --> 0:57:18.800 have to find the courage to disobey it. And he's like, 0:57:18.840 --> 0:57:21.640 so you think you're an activist and she says sure. 0:57:22.080 --> 0:57:24.520 Then he goes, so you're a champion for sick children. 0:57:24.640 --> 0:57:28.520 She says, that's what pediatric surgeons do by definition, and 0:57:28.680 --> 0:57:31.360 Stone jumps to you had a sun name Benjamin. He 0:57:31.400 --> 0:57:33.439 died from a heart condition in two thousand and six, 0:57:34.440 --> 0:57:36.120 and yes, that is true, and he was on the 0:57:36.160 --> 0:57:38.880 list for a new heart that he never got and 0:57:39.680 --> 0:57:41.800 his death is what inspired her to get into this, 0:57:42.000 --> 0:57:44.440 and that's what motivates you to break the law. And 0:57:44.480 --> 0:57:47.280 she goes, no, saving lives is why I do it, 0:57:47.360 --> 0:57:50.919 and he pushes, in your zeal to save lives, you'd 0:57:50.960 --> 0:57:54.160 harvest an organ from a child who is not legally deceased, 0:57:54.600 --> 0:57:57.360 and Nikki objects and calls it out rageous and that 0:57:57.360 --> 0:58:00.840 that would be homicide, and he goes, well she and 0:58:00.920 --> 0:58:03.960 Nikki moves to strike, and the judge agrees to strike 0:58:04.000 --> 0:58:07.280 it but allows the question. And her answer is that 0:58:07.440 --> 0:58:10.680 a second physician needs to certify death on any patient, 0:58:11.040 --> 0:58:13.640 so it's not just her judgment, and why would she 0:58:13.720 --> 0:58:16.680 let one child die to save another? That wouldn't make 0:58:16.760 --> 0:58:19.360 sense to her. He says, but did you try hard 0:58:19.480 --> 0:58:23.280 enough to save Zoe Burtkamp's life? She goes, excuse me, 0:58:24.040 --> 0:58:26.760 and he asks again, did you try hard enough to 0:58:26.880 --> 0:58:30.919 save Zoe Burhamp's life? And she babbles in doctor talk 0:58:31.080 --> 0:58:34.320 and he goes, no, you're not answering my question. If 0:58:34.360 --> 0:58:36.920 that was your Benjamin on the table at that moment, 0:58:37.160 --> 0:58:40.040 would you have really cracked open his sternum and cut 0:58:40.080 --> 0:58:43.840 out his heart? And she pauses. She finally has some 0:58:43.880 --> 0:58:47.080 sort of thought in her eyes, and she doesn't answer. 0:58:47.200 --> 0:58:49.640 She will not answer that because she knows she fucking knows, 0:58:50.400 --> 0:58:52.560 she fucking knows that she would not have done that, 0:58:52.600 --> 0:58:54.480 and she would have tried to save her son, and 0:58:54.520 --> 0:58:56.959 she was happy to let like not try further. 0:58:57.960 --> 0:59:01.040 So I didn't read it like that. I didn't really 0:59:01.040 --> 0:59:02.720 read it like that. I thought it was like she. 0:59:02.640 --> 0:59:04.960 Should have said sure, she should have said sure, I'll 0:59:05.000 --> 0:59:07.280 break open my son's sternam before I know for sure. 0:59:07.880 --> 0:59:10.680 No, I think she was saying, like I certified she 0:59:10.680 --> 0:59:13.800 she was dead, so did another doctor. And then basically 0:59:13.840 --> 0:59:15.760 it was like, but would you have, like at the 0:59:15.840 --> 0:59:19.240 moment right after death, like without being asked, like cracked 0:59:19.280 --> 0:59:22.880 him open and like harvested his organs, like basically put 0:59:22.920 --> 0:59:25.040 yourself in the position of these parents. I didn't get 0:59:25.080 --> 0:59:27.120 the vibe that she didn't try to save him her 0:59:27.440 --> 0:59:27.959 Oh I didn't. 0:59:27.960 --> 0:59:28.920 I didn't get that vibe. 0:59:29.000 --> 0:59:31.400 I was if it wasn't Zoe on that table and 0:59:31.440 --> 0:59:34.240 it was Benjamin, there's no way she would have not 0:59:34.280 --> 0:59:37.400 tried harder to save Zoe's life. She'd been in contact 0:59:37.400 --> 0:59:40.280 with this boy. She knows this doctor, you know what 0:59:40.280 --> 0:59:44.680 I mean, he knew the doctor. I took it as 0:59:45.080 --> 0:59:48.320 she knows. She didn't try hard enough because if it 0:59:48.360 --> 0:59:50.040 was her son, she wouldn't have announced. 0:59:49.680 --> 0:59:51.960 Him dead that fast. I did not. 0:59:52.560 --> 0:59:54.600 It wasn't even an hour in the hospital, you know 0:59:54.640 --> 0:59:58.480 what I mean? Yeah, I think that basically what he's 0:59:58.800 --> 1:00:01.520 let parents say bye the kid, You don't. Yeah, I 1:00:01.520 --> 1:00:04.000 think that's what he's saying, though, is like she was dead, 1:00:04.240 --> 1:00:05.360 she did what she could to save her. 1:00:05.440 --> 1:00:07.240 Was like the brain swelling could not have helped. She 1:00:07.360 --> 1:00:08.320 was going to be a vet like. 1:00:08.520 --> 1:00:10.360 But at the same time, it's like we could have 1:00:10.360 --> 1:00:11.920 asked the parents, like do you want to keep her 1:00:11.920 --> 1:00:14.040 alive on machines? You know what I mean, like because 1:00:14.160 --> 1:00:16.360 she was because they could have heart was still pumping 1:00:16.440 --> 1:00:16.800 because of. 1:00:16.800 --> 1:00:18.400 Her heart was still pumping. 1:00:18.480 --> 1:00:21.920 That means she could have been left decision. But I 1:00:21.960 --> 1:00:24.240 don't think that she didn't try to save her. I 1:00:24.240 --> 1:00:25.959 don't think Zoe was ever going to come back. 1:00:26.640 --> 1:00:26.920 Oh. 1:00:27.040 --> 1:00:28.840 I think she would have tried harder if it was 1:00:28.880 --> 1:00:32.360 her kid. And you're right though, the heart was bumping 1:00:32.440 --> 1:00:35.520 like pumping, so she could have put Zoe on life 1:00:35.520 --> 1:00:39.080 support given time. I mean, my friend when he donated 1:00:39.120 --> 1:00:42.200 to Organs, he was held for four or five days 1:00:42.280 --> 1:00:45.320 on life support so he could donate. So this is bullshit. 1:00:46.640 --> 1:00:48.720 She didn't care about the parents. She didn't want to 1:00:48.800 --> 1:00:50.720 risk them saying, no, she didn't care what they thought. 1:00:51.040 --> 1:00:54.320 She wanted that heart and she didn't care she the 1:00:54.720 --> 1:00:56.000 heart could have kept pumping. 1:00:57.160 --> 1:00:59.440 Yeah, I just would say, like most I would just 1:00:59.520 --> 1:01:01.560 I think that's a little bit unrealistic and real Like, 1:01:01.600 --> 1:01:04.240 I don't think that doctors are like thinking, hmm, if 1:01:04.280 --> 1:01:05.520 I let this girl go, I can. 1:01:05.440 --> 1:01:08.960 She I don't think doctors are. She is and that's 1:01:09.000 --> 1:01:11.240 what he proved in court. That has nothing to do 1:01:11.280 --> 1:01:14.520 with saving lives. Lots of pediatric surgeons save lives. She 1:01:14.680 --> 1:01:17.439 has a fucking heart on. I mean, she probably makes 1:01:17.440 --> 1:01:19.120 half a millial year. Let's say she's like a New 1:01:19.200 --> 1:01:21.400 York very maybe less. 1:01:21.480 --> 1:01:24.120 What do you think four hun gram She's donating fifty 1:01:24.200 --> 1:01:25.760 five thousand dollars to just. 1:01:25.800 --> 1:01:30.720 One of the pediatric centers. She's donating tons of money. 1:01:30.760 --> 1:01:33.160 This is not I don't I'm not saying doctors. I 1:01:33.160 --> 1:01:38.439 think she's a criminal. I think she's getting paid for it. No, 1:01:38.520 --> 1:01:41.200 I'm just saying it's not like I think doctors are 1:01:41.240 --> 1:01:44.240 like letting people die to harvest or organs for kids 1:01:44.240 --> 1:01:46.120 in Buffalo, But I think she is because I think 1:01:46.200 --> 1:01:50.200 she's a criminal. M Okay, Yeah, I don't think it's 1:01:50.240 --> 1:01:52.360 like I'm an organ downer. I don't think people would 1:01:52.400 --> 1:01:54.439 like to be like I didn't think you were going. 1:01:54.360 --> 1:01:56.320 To be so I thought this was like one of 1:01:56.320 --> 1:01:56.960 those what I. 1:01:56.960 --> 1:01:58.720 Mean, I like disagree with well. 1:01:58.800 --> 1:02:00.360 I thought it was gonna be one of those episodes 1:02:00.360 --> 1:02:02.600 where it's like, oh, it is tough, because like you 1:02:02.640 --> 1:02:04.640 could save someone with this, but like you. 1:02:04.640 --> 1:02:06.720 Know, she couldn't have later, so she could have two 1:02:06.800 --> 1:02:08.760 days later, she could have let the parents say bye 1:02:08.840 --> 1:02:10.240 to the kid kept driving. 1:02:10.120 --> 1:02:11.840 In this situation, but we don't know about the other 1:02:11.880 --> 1:02:13.840 thirty one, the other thirty one. It's like the kids 1:02:13.880 --> 1:02:15.200 could have died on the table, and it's like you 1:02:15.280 --> 1:02:17.160 got to get those organs out now, or their organs, 1:02:17.360 --> 1:02:17.760 but you have. 1:02:18.160 --> 1:02:22.760 Not gotten consent for thirty how But she also says 1:02:22.800 --> 1:02:25.000 it's prime when the heart is still beating, so like 1:02:25.120 --> 1:02:28.320 she likes that, what do you mean? Like to her, 1:02:28.360 --> 1:02:29.680 it was like, oh, the heart is still beating, this 1:02:29.800 --> 1:02:31.520 is great, take it out, but it's like it would 1:02:31.560 --> 1:02:33.240 have been beating four hours from now. 1:02:33.640 --> 1:02:34.480 It definitely was. 1:02:34.560 --> 1:02:39.800 She made it definitely her like obsession, her obsession exactly 1:02:40.000 --> 1:02:42.440 like I think she did let children die early. I 1:02:42.440 --> 1:02:44.920 don't think, but I definitely as I was watching the episode, 1:02:45.040 --> 1:02:47.280 was like, ooh, this is tough. Like I wasn't like, 1:02:47.480 --> 1:02:49.960 I was like, sure, she's forging, but like we support 1:02:49.960 --> 1:02:51.680 people all the time who break the law for reasons 1:02:51.680 --> 1:02:52.600 that we think are righteous. 1:02:52.600 --> 1:02:53.240 Do you know what I mean? 1:02:53.440 --> 1:02:56.280 We do so like I was like I was the 1:02:56.280 --> 1:02:58.200 whole time I was watching. I was kind of like, 1:02:58.760 --> 1:03:00.760 I mean, yeah, she definitely should have them. I would 1:03:00.760 --> 1:03:04.240 be furious beyond belief if I wasn't asked. But like 1:03:05.520 --> 1:03:07.880 it was also interesting, did we say the part about 1:03:07.880 --> 1:03:10.760 how she said in twenty seven European countries, if they 1:03:10.840 --> 1:03:12.880 if no one specifies that they don't want it, that's 1:03:12.880 --> 1:03:13.680 implied consent. 1:03:14.120 --> 1:03:16.120 Yeah, I did say it. That's crazy. 1:03:16.320 --> 1:03:16.520 Yeah. 1:03:16.680 --> 1:03:18.800 For some reason, I thought in the crime would probably 1:03:19.800 --> 1:03:22.439 dive in, but well, I had crime is a little 1:03:22.440 --> 1:03:24.840 bit different. The crime's not exact, the crimes a little 1:03:24.840 --> 1:03:27.480 bit different. I took this bitch's facts, I go twenty countries. 1:03:27.520 --> 1:03:27.800 That's that. 1:03:28.280 --> 1:03:31.080 Like I can't look it up at all, but like 1:03:32.440 --> 1:03:36.040 it is, yeah, I don't know, I don't well, I 1:03:36.080 --> 1:03:37.720 mean it's like I think it's like more of a 1:03:38.680 --> 1:03:40.600 it's like an existential argument of life. 1:03:40.640 --> 1:03:43.320 But it's not because the heart was bumping so like 1:03:43.760 --> 1:03:45.760 for this one. Yes, so she's a. 1:03:46.080 --> 1:03:48.720 Sort of she could have been on life support for 1:03:48.800 --> 1:03:50.479 a while, like and they. 1:03:50.360 --> 1:03:53.360 Could have prolonged half vision while she was on life support. 1:03:53.520 --> 1:03:57.040 Yeah, and said by like, I don't know, I think 1:03:57.080 --> 1:03:59.840 it's fucks. I think, yeah, I don't think all doctors 1:03:59.840 --> 1:04:01.720 are this, but I think she had like a personal 1:04:01.720 --> 1:04:04.880 heart on because of her son. And I also think 1:04:04.960 --> 1:04:07.720 if it was her son, she wouldn't have just been like, oh, 1:04:07.760 --> 1:04:09.440 that's that to rip about. 1:04:10.280 --> 1:04:11.000 There's no why. 1:04:11.640 --> 1:04:13.640 But we also think that Benson should have flown away 1:04:13.640 --> 1:04:16.560 with the heart if it's out her house. Correct. If 1:04:16.600 --> 1:04:20.440 it's out, it's out. Benson made the wrong decision. Yeah, 1:04:20.440 --> 1:04:23.280 for sure. I think I mean, you're wrong. I don't 1:04:23.280 --> 1:04:24.640 think all of this is black and white. 1:04:24.720 --> 1:04:26.480 Like I always think Benson should have let it go 1:04:26.520 --> 1:04:29.720 because there's nothing else to do, and Benson breaks the 1:04:29.800 --> 1:04:30.760 law all the time. 1:04:30.960 --> 1:04:33.760 Yeah, Like we can get this doctor disbarred. We can 1:04:33.800 --> 1:04:37.160 get or not disbarred, like medical license pulled or whatever, 1:04:37.240 --> 1:04:39.000 Like we could see the hospital, Like there's ways you 1:04:39.000 --> 1:04:41.120 can like punish the crime. That's happened, But like, why 1:04:41.320 --> 1:04:43.919 let that heart just go? Are they putting it back 1:04:43.960 --> 1:04:46.120 into Zoe to have her buried with it? Like, I 1:04:46.160 --> 1:04:48.560 don't know, it's I don't know. 1:04:49.080 --> 1:04:51.200 Yeah, but I feel for the parents not being able 1:04:51.240 --> 1:04:53.800 to make a rational decision in the moments after their 1:04:53.920 --> 1:04:54.680 daughter is dead. 1:04:55.080 --> 1:04:58.080 Totally. But that like the point that I wasn't thinking. 1:04:57.960 --> 1:05:00.000 Of when I was watching this is Yeah, their hearts 1:05:00.280 --> 1:05:02.840 at least this patient and probably others patients hearts were 1:05:02.840 --> 1:05:05.320 still beating. Then let's keep them on life support until 1:05:05.320 --> 1:05:08.400 the parents can like take a day decide what to do. 1:05:08.960 --> 1:05:11.200 Like I would definitely be swayed by the idea of 1:05:11.240 --> 1:05:15.360 my child's like legacy helping another child live, you know, 1:05:15.960 --> 1:05:19.480 like Jerry Orbach and his eyes. What did you ever 1:05:19.560 --> 1:05:21.600 ride the subway where they would always have signs about 1:05:21.640 --> 1:05:24.600 how Jerry Orbach gave his eyes He donated his eyes 1:05:24.640 --> 1:05:28.120 when he died. No, and some two people can see 1:05:28.120 --> 1:05:30.200 because of Jerry Orboch. I think he didn't donate his 1:05:30.320 --> 1:05:32.480 cornea to one of them. It's like it was on 1:05:32.520 --> 1:05:34.400 the subway all the time. We would like always choke 1:05:34.400 --> 1:05:39.960 about Jerry Orbach's eyes. No, someone is seeing through Lenny 1:05:39.960 --> 1:05:41.560 Briscoe's eyes at all times. 1:05:42.440 --> 1:05:44.680 But anyway, go on, there's just a little bit left. 1:05:44.720 --> 1:05:47.800 So yeah, but she sighs. Someone keeps looking at her. 1:05:47.800 --> 1:05:50.440 She's not answering. She will not answer. So now Nikki's 1:05:50.480 --> 1:05:53.800 doing her closing statement. It's videos of kids alive, Like, 1:05:53.840 --> 1:05:56.880 I get it. These kids didn't have organs, now they 1:05:56.880 --> 1:06:00.640 have organs. And Stone is like, listen, checked off to 1:06:00.640 --> 1:06:03.360 be an organ donor on your license, and the government 1:06:03.400 --> 1:06:05.960 didn't make that choice for you, and neither did a 1:06:06.000 --> 1:06:09.080 doctor because it's your body. And he calls her a zealot, 1:06:09.680 --> 1:06:12.600 and that is motivated by her own personal tragedy, and 1:06:12.640 --> 1:06:16.600 she stole Zoe's right of that with the strike of 1:06:16.640 --> 1:06:19.160 a pen, knowing what she was doing was wrong, and 1:06:19.240 --> 1:06:21.600 while her heart is still beating, she cut her open 1:06:21.640 --> 1:06:24.520 and took it out. Nikki is saying that the ends 1:06:24.640 --> 1:06:29.320 justify the means, but whose ends? So that's that she's 1:06:29.320 --> 1:06:32.640 imposing her own morality. She did this by playing god. 1:06:33.120 --> 1:06:35.560 And the jury has reached a verdict and guilty of 1:06:35.600 --> 1:06:38.520 forgery in the second degree on all thirty two counts. 1:06:38.960 --> 1:06:41.040 The parents look at each other. The judge is like, 1:06:41.160 --> 1:06:42.360 damn difficult case. 1:06:42.520 --> 1:06:45.080 And bensons, I just can't believe that forgery carries a 1:06:45.120 --> 1:06:48.120 seven year sentence. That's like rape, that's great. Like a 1:06:48.160 --> 1:06:50.200 lot of rapes we've seen have been like five years, 1:06:50.320 --> 1:06:54.040 you know. Yeah, Like you can hurt somebody and get 1:06:54.080 --> 1:06:57.120 three years, you know, Yeah, that. 1:06:57.200 --> 1:07:02.960 Is weird'd ah gosh. Benson is in her office talking 1:07:03.000 --> 1:07:05.840 to Lucy about mac and cheese and full awful Jesus Christ. 1:07:06.000 --> 1:07:10.080 So Stone knocks knocks, Benson asks what's on his mind, 1:07:10.400 --> 1:07:13.240 like the doctor's sentencing, what's up. Benson is like, wait, 1:07:13.280 --> 1:07:16.200 you're seriously going to ask for jail time, and he says, 1:07:16.200 --> 1:07:18.800 we need to set an example. And she goes for 1:07:18.880 --> 1:07:24.160 all the progressive minded pediatric surgeons out there, and she says, 1:07:24.280 --> 1:07:27.320 don't be a bully, and she is going to lose 1:07:27.320 --> 1:07:30.320 her medical license. That's the worst punishment she can ever imagine. 1:07:30.760 --> 1:07:32.840 And he says, I just got this job and I 1:07:32.880 --> 1:07:35.160 don't want to look like a pushover, and Benson goes, 1:07:35.920 --> 1:07:39.160 or maybe you're overcompensating for you know, not being in 1:07:39.160 --> 1:07:42.400 the room when your father died. So now as they're talking, 1:07:42.520 --> 1:07:45.200 Rollin's knock knocks and the boy from Buffalo did die 1:07:45.200 --> 1:07:48.360 an hour ago, and I know what they're doing because 1:07:48.360 --> 1:07:50.240 they let us see him and he was fucking cute. 1:07:50.560 --> 1:07:53.040 He was a cute kench that's a gut punch. Stone 1:07:53.080 --> 1:07:56.040 looks at Benson. Benson looks away. She starts to cry 1:07:56.080 --> 1:07:58.440 and sits down on her desk because it is her fault. 1:07:59.240 --> 1:08:01.800 She is so sad and that's stickwolf baby. I think 1:08:01.840 --> 1:08:04.520 the doctors should go to jail, but I think Benson 1:08:04.520 --> 1:08:06.120 should have let the heart go and those are my. 1:08:06.200 --> 1:08:07.680 But I think the doctors should go to jail for 1:08:07.720 --> 1:08:10.800 maybe like a few years, not like three seven times 1:08:10.800 --> 1:08:11.320 thirty two. 1:08:11.480 --> 1:08:13.400 Like I don't think she needs life. I don't either. 1:08:13.920 --> 1:08:16.519 She's they're gonna be able to please, like they're gonna 1:08:16.640 --> 1:08:18.960 if Teresa Judice goes for a year. I mean, this 1:08:19.000 --> 1:08:22.640 woman should get at least a year for forgery. 1:08:24.120 --> 1:08:26.760 But yeah, you think the doctor should have taken them 1:08:26.760 --> 1:08:29.160 and it's fine that she was forging and it's all good. 1:08:30.160 --> 1:08:33.000 No, I guess I just think like the thirty one 1:08:33.040 --> 1:08:35.920 other families like didn't even know, and she saved all 1:08:35.920 --> 1:08:37.640 these lives and like they don't even know. So I 1:08:38.120 --> 1:08:41.200 was just kind of like, you know, maybe her work 1:08:41.240 --> 1:08:42.720 is sort of more but I don't know the ins 1:08:42.720 --> 1:08:44.600 and outs of like if they're lying they're dead on 1:08:44.680 --> 1:08:46.839 the table, or if the heart's still beating, that's different 1:08:46.840 --> 1:08:49.200 to me. Like I'm just kind of like if if 1:08:49.200 --> 1:08:53.120 a body is out like done, I don't want to 1:08:53.160 --> 1:08:54.599 be buried, you know what I mean, Like I want 1:08:54.600 --> 1:08:56.600 to be cremated. Like I don't like believe in like 1:08:56.680 --> 1:08:59.519 the whole all the body stuff that happens after you're dead. 1:08:59.520 --> 1:09:02.240 I just think somebody dies, they're gone, and like I 1:09:02.280 --> 1:09:04.720 have no attachment to the body anymore. Like I have 1:09:04.800 --> 1:09:07.640 been to open casket funerals and I'm just like, no, 1:09:07.720 --> 1:09:09.840 I'm good, that's not the person I know, you know, 1:09:10.040 --> 1:09:12.760 Like that's just a body like and so I just 1:09:12.960 --> 1:09:16.479 feel like if we can help other people with that. 1:09:16.560 --> 1:09:18.320 I mean, I've always been an organ downer. I believe 1:09:18.320 --> 1:09:21.360 in it. So I don't know, but I agree consent 1:09:21.760 --> 1:09:24.280 hugely important. I would be furious if someone just cut 1:09:24.320 --> 1:09:27.080 open a loved one of mine. And I just think 1:09:27.160 --> 1:09:30.360 it's like that woman seems like she could so easily 1:09:30.479 --> 1:09:33.240 sit down and go my son died because he didn't 1:09:33.240 --> 1:09:35.920 get a heart. It would save this child. Here's a 1:09:35.920 --> 1:09:38.000 picture of Benjamin. Like you know what I mean, Like, 1:09:38.000 --> 1:09:39.960 I don't even care. What kind of like emotional blackmail 1:09:39.960 --> 1:09:42.680 you have to use get the consent, you know, Yeah 1:09:43.040 --> 1:09:48.240 she didn't care. Yeah she didn't care. But okay, let's 1:09:48.240 --> 1:09:51.240 get into the true crime because it's a little bit wild. 1:09:58.400 --> 1:10:00.680 So first of all, this this is listed in a 1:10:00.680 --> 1:10:03.599 couple places as being based on the death of Isabella Grosso, 1:10:03.680 --> 1:10:06.720 and this feels like a part of SVU history that 1:10:06.800 --> 1:10:07.639 I cannot believe. 1:10:07.680 --> 1:10:08.280 We don't know. 1:10:08.920 --> 1:10:12.880 Isabella Grosso was a seventeen year old high school student 1:10:12.920 --> 1:10:16.880 and actress who was in the SVU episode Flight. If 1:10:16.880 --> 1:10:19.200 you remember the very first episode where the SVU took 1:10:19.200 --> 1:10:21.000 a crack at jeff Jeffrey Epstein. 1:10:21.600 --> 1:10:22.680 She plays one of their. 1:10:22.720 --> 1:10:25.559 Remember it's like the guy's name is Jordie and he 1:10:25.600 --> 1:10:27.880 has a girl who's like his Galaine Maxwell, who like 1:10:28.120 --> 1:10:31.559 collects all the girls for him, and she one of 1:10:31.560 --> 1:10:35.519 these this girl played one of the girls who like 1:10:35.840 --> 1:10:38.840 he was trafficking. And then she eventually like later lies 1:10:38.880 --> 1:10:42.280 and says, no, my friend actually sexually assaulted him. Like 1:10:42.320 --> 1:10:44.839 you can tell that she's lying because she's a trafficked 1:10:44.880 --> 1:10:48.360 girl and they're probably offering her money. But she's like 1:10:48.360 --> 1:10:50.240 on her way to France on a private jet. She's 1:10:50.240 --> 1:10:52.519 like on a screen when they talked to her. I 1:10:52.560 --> 1:10:57.080 remember this part of this episode specifically, and she had 1:10:57.080 --> 1:11:00.240 shot the episode of SVU and then sadly a three 1:11:00.360 --> 1:11:03.880 weeks before the episode came out. On January tenth of 1:11:03.920 --> 1:11:07.439 twenty eleven, Isabella was tragically killed in a car accident 1:11:07.439 --> 1:11:10.719 on Long Island. She was driving a convertible two thousand 1:11:10.720 --> 1:11:13.799 and three Mercedes Benz. Her car crossed the double yellow 1:11:13.800 --> 1:11:16.400 line and collided with a nineteen ninety eight Ford explore. 1:11:17.320 --> 1:11:19.720 My high school car was a ninety four and that 1:11:19.800 --> 1:11:23.000 was driven by an unidentified seventeen year old male, and 1:11:23.880 --> 1:11:26.920 this is what happened. So records show that the ambulance 1:11:27.000 --> 1:11:30.280 arrived within five minutes, and they there was a decision 1:11:30.320 --> 1:11:33.559 made I don't know by who to airlift her, and 1:11:33.600 --> 1:11:36.200 the helicopter was like a little bit delayed getting there. 1:11:36.240 --> 1:11:36.600 And then it. 1:11:36.600 --> 1:11:41.640 Took the helicopter forty six minutes to get Isabella to 1:11:41.720 --> 1:11:42.320 the hospital. 1:11:43.160 --> 1:11:46.160 And why wouldn't the ambulance just take her? What the fuck? 1:11:46.720 --> 1:11:47.160 I don't know. 1:11:47.240 --> 1:11:49.000 I don't know who made the call. It's really hard 1:11:49.040 --> 1:11:52.280 to find in the articles. Her parents Michael and Linda 1:11:52.280 --> 1:11:54.479 Grasso were sure that she would have survived if the 1:11:54.479 --> 1:11:56.519 medical helicopter hadn't taken so long to get her to 1:11:56.560 --> 1:11:57.120 the hospital. 1:11:57.520 --> 1:11:58.040 Kind of sip. 1:11:58.080 --> 1:11:59.679 This is like where it ties into like the little 1:11:59.680 --> 1:12:02.320 girls sending the cops on a goose chase, Like maybe 1:12:02.320 --> 1:12:04.080 they could have gotten her to the hospital earlier and 1:12:04.120 --> 1:12:06.599 would have had a different outcome. And because I think 1:12:06.640 --> 1:12:09.000 she was speaking in the ambulance, like she was talking 1:12:10.400 --> 1:12:12.400 or not in the ambulance when ems first got to her, 1:12:12.840 --> 1:12:15.040 and so they were sure she would have survived. They 1:12:15.080 --> 1:12:17.759 don't understand why she wasn't just taken by ambulance. ABC 1:12:17.840 --> 1:12:20.160 Eyewitness News from the New York area that I grew 1:12:20.240 --> 1:12:22.760 up with. They actually timed the trip. They went out 1:12:22.760 --> 1:12:24.960 at the same time at seven thirty one, and they 1:12:25.000 --> 1:12:26.439 made it from the scene of the crash to the 1:12:26.439 --> 1:12:29.200 hospital in twenty seven minutes and fifty two seconds, which 1:12:29.240 --> 1:12:32.640 is eighteen minutes faster than the than the helicopter. So 1:12:33.200 --> 1:12:35.320 that eighteen minutes could have meant a lot, you know. 1:12:35.800 --> 1:12:40.360 So the County air medical vibe, Yeah, and Nasau County's 1:12:40.400 --> 1:12:43.479 air medical guidelines specifically state quote a patient is to 1:12:43.520 --> 1:12:47.320 be airlifted to a trauma center when transportation time quote 1:12:47.320 --> 1:12:51.640 can be decreased by more than fifteen minutes, So technically 1:12:51.640 --> 1:12:55.120 they violated their own protocols in airlifting her. And I 1:12:55.160 --> 1:12:56.720 have no I mean, I'm sure they're not going to 1:12:56.800 --> 1:12:58.400 say and the call was made by but like, I 1:12:58.400 --> 1:12:59.840 don't know who made that call, if it was like 1:13:00.160 --> 1:13:03.439 EMS workers or police or whatever. But the parents claim 1:13:03.479 --> 1:13:05.479 the county was neglectful and to blame for her zeath, 1:13:05.520 --> 1:13:09.559 they filed a notice to sue the county. They accused 1:13:09.600 --> 1:13:12.080 Nassau County of covering it up, and they kept requesting 1:13:12.120 --> 1:13:14.680 information that the county was just not giving them. And 1:13:14.720 --> 1:13:18.120 then I found I tried to find what happened, and 1:13:18.160 --> 1:13:20.360 I found one legal document about the case, but it 1:13:20.400 --> 1:13:23.320 seemed to only be about the judge denying the defendant's 1:13:23.400 --> 1:13:27.960 request for summary judgment. So the hospital or the EMS 1:13:28.040 --> 1:13:33.040 like organization requested summary judgment, which we've talked about before, 1:13:33.200 --> 1:13:36.000 and the judge said no. But that's all I found legally, Like, 1:13:36.000 --> 1:13:37.640 I couldn't find, so I have a feeling that they 1:13:37.680 --> 1:13:40.800 probably settled out of court. And I don't actually know 1:13:40.840 --> 1:13:43.760 what happened with this, but I didn't know that like 1:13:43.840 --> 1:13:47.240 an actress from an episode of SVU died and then 1:13:47.479 --> 1:13:50.920 kind of an episode was based on it, or you know, 1:13:51.520 --> 1:13:52.000 like she. 1:13:53.520 --> 1:13:56.760 Never saw her episode, which is so sad, you know, 1:13:57.000 --> 1:14:00.559 really sad aspiring actress. I don't know why she crossed 1:14:00.560 --> 1:14:01.679 the double yellow line either. 1:14:01.680 --> 1:14:04.720 I wonder what happens with the weird like if the 1:14:04.800 --> 1:14:07.920 ambulance was there, like why not get in there and 1:14:07.960 --> 1:14:12.040 start ta getting care. I feel like mentally people think 1:14:12.200 --> 1:14:15.640 helicopters are faster. I think people are always like aft airlift, 1:14:15.760 --> 1:14:18.599 you know, like I don't know, I really don't know why, 1:14:19.080 --> 1:14:23.240 but they fucked up, and it's like the hospital maybe 1:14:23.240 --> 1:14:25.559 in court could prove oh, the eighteen minutes didn't make 1:14:25.560 --> 1:14:27.680 a difference because her situation was that she didn't have 1:14:27.720 --> 1:14:28.160 brain swelling. 1:14:28.240 --> 1:14:31.240 She went into cardiac arrest. That was her situation while 1:14:31.240 --> 1:14:33.680 she was in there. So but here is what this 1:14:33.880 --> 1:14:38.280 is more based on. Okay, the Biomedical Tissue Services body 1:14:38.280 --> 1:14:42.320 part theft scandal. Okay, let me introduce you to a 1:14:42.360 --> 1:14:46.719 man named doctor Michael mastro Marino. He was a dental 1:14:46.760 --> 1:14:50.400 surgeon in New Jersey who surrendered his license after he 1:14:50.439 --> 1:14:54.759 became addicted to drugs. After that he got a license 1:14:54.800 --> 1:14:58.000 to sell human tissue. Which this is a little bit 1:14:58.000 --> 1:15:00.040 different than the episode because human tissue is anything, it 1:15:00.160 --> 1:15:04.040 is not a major organ. So this does not involved hearts, kidneys, lungs. 1:15:04.280 --> 1:15:09.120 This is stuff like tendons, ligaments, skin, bones, heart valves, corneas. 1:15:09.320 --> 1:15:10.839 Hello, Jerry Orbach. 1:15:11.280 --> 1:15:14.840 Apparently the industry of tissue donation is not well known 1:15:15.000 --> 1:15:18.280 or understood compared to organ donation, and therefore it is 1:15:18.320 --> 1:15:22.920 not heavily regulated. Like with organs, tissue is donated, so 1:15:22.960 --> 1:15:27.040 there's not actually like I mean, maybe like a black market, 1:15:27.120 --> 1:15:29.240 like people say there's a black market for like organs, 1:15:29.280 --> 1:15:32.760 but so like even though you don't get money for 1:15:32.800 --> 1:15:36.439 the actual tissue, you can charge facility fees. Do you 1:15:36.479 --> 1:15:38.760 have to move that heart from one place to that 1:15:39.120 --> 1:15:42.639 bone from one place to another, transportation fees, procurement fees, 1:15:42.880 --> 1:15:45.400 and then once the parts are then turned into medical products, 1:15:45.479 --> 1:15:48.160 like I was reading all this stuff, like people's bones 1:15:48.160 --> 1:15:50.600 can be grown ground down into like a dust that 1:15:50.680 --> 1:15:53.720 can be used in dental procedures. Like there's all kinds 1:15:53.760 --> 1:15:56.599 of ways we use tissue in other medical procedures. It's 1:15:56.640 --> 1:15:59.760 kind of gross, but it's true. It's happens and so 1:16:00.479 --> 1:16:02.720 that's another thing like once now that it's turned into 1:16:02.760 --> 1:16:05.040 a medical product, then it's being purchased. So there's money 1:16:05.080 --> 1:16:10.519 flowing through the whole concept of tissue donation. So when 1:16:10.640 --> 1:16:14.559 NPR reported on this story and this industry in twenty twelve, 1:16:14.800 --> 1:16:16.800 they said it was a one billion dollar a year 1:16:16.840 --> 1:16:21.320 industry tissue tissue like donation, and I would say harvesting, 1:16:21.920 --> 1:16:25.160 and I tried, but I can't find more recent numbers 1:16:25.200 --> 1:16:27.040 than that, but it would be safe to say that 1:16:27.160 --> 1:16:29.639 in the last thirteen years it's gone over a billion. 1:16:29.760 --> 1:16:29.960 You know. 1:16:30.840 --> 1:16:34.880 Mastro Marino's company was called Biomedical Tissue Services in Fort Lee, 1:16:34.960 --> 1:16:38.040 New Jersey, and apparently business was booming because this was 1:16:38.080 --> 1:16:42.080 reported reported as a four point six million dollar operation 1:16:42.160 --> 1:16:46.439 that he was running. Master Marino, like the doctor in 1:16:46.479 --> 1:16:50.559 this episode, went around the whole permission thing. And what 1:16:50.640 --> 1:16:53.480 he did was he struck up deals with funeral homes 1:16:53.520 --> 1:16:56.400 in New York, New Jersey, and Pennsylvania and paid them 1:16:56.479 --> 1:17:00.719 one k per body. He would, also, liked the doctor 1:17:00.720 --> 1:17:03.720 in this episode, fake paperwork that confirmed consent from the 1:17:03.720 --> 1:17:05.120 deceased or their families. 1:17:05.720 --> 1:17:08.320 Now this might feel different to you. 1:17:08.280 --> 1:17:10.280 Because these people are in a funeral home ready to 1:17:10.320 --> 1:17:10.799 be buried. 1:17:10.960 --> 1:17:11.559 It's different. 1:17:12.600 --> 1:17:15.600 But what's fucked up that this guy did is he 1:17:15.640 --> 1:17:18.479 would take tissue from people that shouldn't have been used, 1:17:18.720 --> 1:17:21.680 like people who had died from AIDS or cancer, and 1:17:21.760 --> 1:17:24.639 he and had other like illnesses like hepatitis and stuff, 1:17:24.680 --> 1:17:27.120 and he would fake the paperwork to look like they 1:17:27.160 --> 1:17:30.799 died of something else. Famously, in this case, he actually 1:17:30.840 --> 1:17:33.719 got the tissue from the body of a British journalist 1:17:33.840 --> 1:17:38.720 named Alistair Cook, who hosted PBS's Masterpiece Theater. So this 1:17:38.760 --> 1:17:41.439 is a person my parents are definitely fans of. This 1:17:41.520 --> 1:17:44.360 man died of cancer in two thousand and four, and 1:17:44.600 --> 1:17:47.880 Master Marino changed Cook's age from ninety five to eighty 1:17:47.920 --> 1:17:51.720 five on the paperwork in the documentation, and also said 1:17:51.720 --> 1:17:53.519 that he died of a heart attack rather than lung 1:17:53.560 --> 1:17:56.600 cancer that had spread to his bones, like you might 1:17:56.160 --> 1:18:00.960 want to use bone fragments or whatever, or of bones 1:18:01.000 --> 1:18:02.280 that have been affected by cancer. 1:18:02.760 --> 1:18:06.839 So he also this is crazy detail. 1:18:07.200 --> 1:18:10.280 Sometimes in the bodies he would remove bones and replace 1:18:10.360 --> 1:18:15.120 them with white plastic pipes like home Depot style. Well, actually, 1:18:15.160 --> 1:18:19.280 fuck home Depot Low's style. They would just put these plastic, 1:18:19.360 --> 1:18:21.120 cheap pipes that you use for plumbing and be like 1:18:21.360 --> 1:18:23.720 replacement and then just sew the leg back up. 1:18:24.280 --> 1:18:26.680 So pretty fucked up. 1:18:26.840 --> 1:18:30.479 But I mean, yeah, people have been grave robbing since 1:18:30.920 --> 1:18:34.559 the ancient old old days, but this is more super 1:18:34.600 --> 1:18:36.320 fucked up because this guy's like running a ring. 1:18:36.439 --> 1:18:37.559 He's making a ton of money. 1:18:37.760 --> 1:18:41.200 In two thousand and six, after an eighteen month investigation 1:18:41.280 --> 1:18:44.000 by the FDA and the Brooklyn DIA's office and. 1:18:44.240 --> 1:18:45.560 Wired than the FDA. 1:18:46.320 --> 1:18:50.240 Oh drug okay, yeah, food and Drug administration because these 1:18:50.280 --> 1:18:53.759 are being turned into medical equipment or like medical product, 1:18:54.040 --> 1:18:57.240 so I guess that's under their jurisdiction. But a one 1:18:57.400 --> 1:19:00.439 hundred and twenty two count indictment came from the big 1:19:01.640 --> 1:19:04.839 eighteen month investigation and was served on Michael mas Marino 1:19:04.880 --> 1:19:09.919 as well as three funeral home directors, Joseph Masselli, Lee Crissetta, 1:19:10.120 --> 1:19:15.919 and Christopher Aldorossi. Among the charges were enterprise corruption, body stealing, 1:19:16.120 --> 1:19:21.439 unlawful dissection, opening graves, forgery, and other charges to which 1:19:21.439 --> 1:19:26.160 they all initially pleaded not guilty. Prosecutors claim they stole skin, 1:19:26.280 --> 1:19:29.360 bone and other tissues from up to one thousand bodies. 1:19:30.760 --> 1:19:34.439 The DA called it so many I know. The DA 1:19:34.520 --> 1:19:36.879 called it quote something out of a cheap horror movie. 1:19:38.000 --> 1:19:40.760 The FDA had to ask hospitals after they discovered this, 1:19:40.840 --> 1:19:43.760 to contact hundreds of patients who had received tissue from 1:19:43.760 --> 1:19:46.840 Master Marino's company between four and five and have them 1:19:46.880 --> 1:19:50.040 tested for aids, hepatitis, and syphilis. And they said that 1:19:50.080 --> 1:19:52.759 the risk of contracting these diseases from tissue was low 1:19:52.800 --> 1:19:57.120 but unknown, and people did contract things. Seven additional funeral 1:19:57.160 --> 1:20:00.559 directors were added to the case and they all pleaded 1:20:00.560 --> 1:20:03.560 guilty and agreed to cooperate with the investigation, and the 1:20:04.800 --> 1:20:08.080 prosecutors in New Jersey thought, or maybe it was Brooklyn, 1:20:08.120 --> 1:20:10.559 the prosecutors in this case thought that there were definitely 1:20:10.640 --> 1:20:12.680 way more funeral directors attached, but I don't know if 1:20:12.680 --> 1:20:16.679 they could find all of them. Eventually, Master Marino changed 1:20:16.680 --> 1:20:20.000 his plea and pleaded guilty to body sealing, reckless endangerment, 1:20:20.000 --> 1:20:23.840 and enterprise corruption in his plea, So maybe they dropped 1:20:23.880 --> 1:20:28.559 some of the other like grave opening and dissection charges 1:20:28.600 --> 1:20:31.040 and he just pleaded to those. In two thousand and eight, 1:20:31.960 --> 1:20:34.400 at age forty four, he was sentenced to a minimum 1:20:34.439 --> 1:20:36.960 of eighteen years and a maximum of fifty four years 1:20:36.960 --> 1:20:40.200 in prison, which is such a wide range, like what 1:20:40.360 --> 1:20:41.800 gets decided. 1:20:41.479 --> 1:20:44.080 Like how many organs, how many attised? 1:20:44.720 --> 1:20:48.160 But I know when it's like eighteen to twenty five, 1:20:48.320 --> 1:20:50.160 like it's eighteen to fifty four, Like how do they 1:20:50.160 --> 1:20:52.799 decide which one he's gonna do? That was his sentence 1:20:52.840 --> 1:20:56.759 eighteen to twenty to fifty four. It ended up not mattering. 1:20:57.040 --> 1:20:59.080 It ended up not mattering because he died in prison. 1:20:59.120 --> 1:21:03.040 But at his sentencing, forty four year old Dana Ryan 1:21:03.120 --> 1:21:06.880 spoke quote his sick, disgusting and appalling actions, all in 1:21:06.880 --> 1:21:10.080 the name of greed, have devastated my family because Dana 1:21:10.080 --> 1:21:13.400 got hepatitis B that she received from some stolen body 1:21:13.400 --> 1:21:15.160 parts that were used on her lower spine. 1:21:15.200 --> 1:21:15.599 Operation. 1:21:16.520 --> 1:21:19.680 Master Marino told the court and victims and relatives, I 1:21:19.760 --> 1:21:22.960 am sorry for the emotional pain I have caused. But 1:21:23.040 --> 1:21:26.360 also he talked to NPR and said I misunderstood, so like, 1:21:26.439 --> 1:21:27.320 I don't know how. 1:21:27.160 --> 1:21:28.240 Guilty this guy felt. 1:21:29.200 --> 1:21:31.439 He died in twenty thirteen at a hospital in New 1:21:31.520 --> 1:21:33.920 York from metastatic liver cancer that had spread to his 1:21:33.960 --> 1:21:38.160 brain and bones, which feels sort of like ironic because 1:21:38.200 --> 1:21:41.440 like you wouldn't be able to probably harvest his tissues. 1:21:42.400 --> 1:21:49.400 But yeah, so not quite as close to the actual thing. Well, 1:21:49.400 --> 1:21:53.479 my thing is the helicopter guy in our episode. 1:21:53.640 --> 1:21:56.080 Do you think he works for the organ people or 1:21:56.160 --> 1:21:59.200 is he just like a helicopter guy that only like. 1:22:00.120 --> 1:22:03.080 He probably works for a transportation service that just does. 1:22:02.920 --> 1:22:05.040 That, that just does organs. 1:22:05.160 --> 1:22:09.080 Yeah, yeah, okay, And he was willing to go to 1:22:09.160 --> 1:22:11.400 jail for the cause he was passionate. Well, that's what 1:22:11.479 --> 1:22:13.439 I was wondering if he was first a helicopter guy 1:22:13.520 --> 1:22:14.679 or first an organ lover. 1:22:15.760 --> 1:22:18.720 You know, I think he's a helicopter guy, and as 1:22:18.720 --> 1:22:20.479 he did it, he fell in love with the kids 1:22:20.520 --> 1:22:23.719 and stuff and seeing how his helicopter work made kids alive. 1:22:24.840 --> 1:22:28.120 But like this guy, like he must know he was 1:22:28.160 --> 1:22:30.640 doing creepy bed stuff like I guess all criminals do. 1:22:30.720 --> 1:22:34.360 But it's like, bro, you're a freak master Marino. Yeah, 1:22:34.400 --> 1:22:35.679 I mean, I guess. 1:22:35.680 --> 1:22:37.880 But he was also like, I'm making millions of dollars 1:22:37.920 --> 1:22:40.320 and no one's the wiser because these people are like 1:22:40.520 --> 1:22:43.559 their loved ones are going to be clothed and buried 1:22:44.000 --> 1:22:45.519 the next time they see them. They're never going to 1:22:45.600 --> 1:22:47.920 notice this stuff. Like I honestly don't even know how 1:22:47.960 --> 1:22:50.519 they got busted. I mean the investigation. Maybe they went 1:22:50.600 --> 1:22:53.599 under cover was an eighteen month investigation. Yeah, thank you 1:22:54.040 --> 1:22:56.240 spooky anyway, I mean. 1:22:56.400 --> 1:22:59.639 Yeah, but this was fun, not the crime. It's not fun. 1:22:59.720 --> 1:23:03.600 But I'm still I like when we're all conflicted, and 1:23:03.640 --> 1:23:05.640 I wonder, I wonder if people are gonna come for 1:23:05.760 --> 1:23:06.880 my ass if I'm wrong. 1:23:08.680 --> 1:23:10.680 Well, we don't have a guest today, so let's go 1:23:10.800 --> 1:23:13.360 right into our post mortem about this. Yeah, I guess 1:23:13.400 --> 1:23:16.519 I can't stop. I'm still thinking. But yeah, she played 1:23:16.520 --> 1:23:17.759 it well the real life. 1:23:18.240 --> 1:23:20.439 I guess I'm glad there was no Yeah, for some reason, 1:23:20.479 --> 1:23:22.400 I'm not as distraught by this guy. 1:23:22.720 --> 1:23:25.519 I just think he's a little gremlin. Yeah, yeah, he's 1:23:25.560 --> 1:23:33.200 a little grave robbing gremlin. Okay, Well, post mortem on Dare. 1:23:33.560 --> 1:23:35.120 I mean, we've sort. 1:23:34.880 --> 1:23:37.920 Of already and we've never disagreed like this. 1:23:38.479 --> 1:23:41.439 Well, I mean, I just I don't know. 1:23:41.720 --> 1:23:43.439 I just the whole time I was watching it, I 1:23:43.520 --> 1:23:47.759 was just like, but I didn't realize her still pumping 1:23:47.840 --> 1:23:50.479 heart is a pretty big I would not have wanted 1:23:51.240 --> 1:23:54.599 my kids like fully pumping. It's like we gotta pull 1:23:54.640 --> 1:23:57.519 the plug as a family, say goodbye. Then we walk 1:23:57.600 --> 1:23:59.439 out and you can take the Morgans you know what 1:23:59.520 --> 1:24:03.160 I mean, I'm not allowing that kind of nonsense, but 1:24:03.200 --> 1:24:06.240 I'm just like very pro organ donation also, but I 1:24:06.240 --> 1:24:08.439 don't think that's the issue of this episode. It's like 1:24:08.600 --> 1:24:12.360 more I'm an organ donor. Yeah, it's just more it's 1:24:12.400 --> 1:24:13.720 the consent of it all. 1:24:13.920 --> 1:24:17.720 Yeah, it's just you can't forge documents, you can't take 1:24:17.840 --> 1:24:18.719 organs without consenting. 1:24:18.720 --> 1:24:22.240 The episode is trying to make you think that you 1:24:22.479 --> 1:24:25.000 can if it's for the right reasons, you know. Like now, 1:24:25.040 --> 1:24:27.679 the older person who fucked up is Benson. 1:24:28.880 --> 1:24:30.880 I mean that I like that. 1:24:31.439 --> 1:24:34.879 I disagree with what happened, like Ben, because I disagree 1:24:34.880 --> 1:24:35.680 with what the doctor did. 1:24:35.720 --> 1:24:38.360 But like I'm just saying, Benson's the one where I'm like. 1:24:38.840 --> 1:24:40.760 You, fuck, you fucked up. You should have let him go, 1:24:41.600 --> 1:24:45.360 You should have let him go. Yeah, that boy did 1:24:45.400 --> 1:24:46.479 die and it is your fault. 1:24:46.560 --> 1:24:52.320 Like sorry, and three years he's been waiting three years. 1:24:53.240 --> 1:24:56.639 Ugh, And he was so cute. 1:24:56.960 --> 1:24:59.360 But she's an incredible actress, Like I'm a big fan 1:24:59.400 --> 1:25:01.600 of her perform in this and like the way she 1:25:01.720 --> 1:25:04.640 spoke and the lines were like no one's talked to 1:25:04.680 --> 1:25:08.240 Benson like that about professional courtesy in this cool way 1:25:08.280 --> 1:25:10.760 and she seems more powerful than McGrath and all these 1:25:10.880 --> 1:25:15.599 loud blowhards too. Yeah, she did carry herself with a 1:25:15.600 --> 1:25:16.440 god complex. 1:25:16.800 --> 1:25:19.200 Yeah, and like I liked how she just very subtly 1:25:19.240 --> 1:25:21.320 when they bring up her son, you see her kind 1:25:21.320 --> 1:25:23.360 of like break a little bit because she's been so 1:25:23.560 --> 1:25:26.280 tough since till then, and so like. 1:25:26.520 --> 1:25:28.639 I am completely correct in my beliefs. 1:25:28.640 --> 1:25:32.000 And then it's like, but she doesn't go, oh, you're right, 1:25:32.080 --> 1:25:35.120 like I fucked She just kind of realizes that she's 1:25:35.120 --> 1:25:37.080 fucked up, I think, And then when she gets her sentence, 1:25:37.120 --> 1:25:37.519 I think she. 1:25:37.479 --> 1:25:38.640 Realizes she really fucked up. 1:25:38.760 --> 1:25:41.760 Well, I have a feeling my prediction is that they 1:25:41.760 --> 1:25:45.599 give her like eighteen months with good behavior. She's out 1:25:45.640 --> 1:25:49.120 in like nine or something. Well, she plaied out, made 1:25:49.160 --> 1:25:52.160 a deal. Now yeah she's been found guilty. I don't know, 1:25:53.760 --> 1:25:56.280 but no thirty two times seven. Yeah, it was a 1:25:56.320 --> 1:25:58.920 good episode. It's what I've been dying to do for forever. 1:25:59.040 --> 1:26:01.519 But I also hate those little girls. That's another thing 1:26:01.560 --> 1:26:04.920 I disagree with. It's an accident. No, those girls need 1:26:04.960 --> 1:26:08.000 to be charged with what's the thing, fucking up with 1:26:08.000 --> 1:26:09.000 a police investigation? 1:26:09.240 --> 1:26:12.440 Yeah, interference with of an investigation. 1:26:12.600 --> 1:26:16.960 Right, like lied, yeah, and your friend was lying there, 1:26:17.000 --> 1:26:19.840 you dumb bitches, And what are you doing When the 1:26:19.880 --> 1:26:22.759 cops went all the way to the delivery guy's apartment 1:26:22.800 --> 1:26:25.479 and came back. The whole time, you were like, should 1:26:25.520 --> 1:26:27.800 we tell someone that our friend is lying on the 1:26:27.840 --> 1:26:31.519 gym floor with her fucking leg bent behind her back? 1:26:31.640 --> 1:26:34.679 Like I don't know, I understand being scared to tell 1:26:34.720 --> 1:26:37.439 the truth, but that just seems but you never do 1:26:37.520 --> 1:26:40.560 that when somebody's hurt, Like I'm sorry, Like I just 1:26:40.600 --> 1:26:42.160 remember when I was younger, it was like if somebody 1:26:42.200 --> 1:26:44.360 got hurt, it was like we stuck out and this happened, 1:26:44.360 --> 1:26:45.679 and we got like we gotta you know, you gotta 1:26:45.680 --> 1:26:48.519 get somebody help, Like yeah, like I'm not I don't 1:26:48.520 --> 1:26:50.320 want to get in trouble. I would lie to like 1:26:50.400 --> 1:26:52.360 my fucking dying day, but to my parents to not 1:26:52.400 --> 1:26:54.120 get in trouble, but not when it was like somebody's 1:26:54.400 --> 1:26:55.960 health and safety was involved, you know. 1:26:56.520 --> 1:26:58.160 Yeah. 1:26:58.200 --> 1:27:02.280 But anyway, this episode, watch out who your kids are 1:27:02.280 --> 1:27:05.519 friends with and be an organ donor if you can. 1:27:05.720 --> 1:27:09.280 I don't think it makes them stop operating on you 1:27:10.520 --> 1:27:13.720 because like in the end, it's like you don't even 1:27:13.800 --> 1:27:15.439 know that this stuff is compatible. Like do you think 1:27:15.479 --> 1:27:19.160 if it's like a heart, it has to be a match. Well, yeah, 1:27:19.160 --> 1:27:21.639 that's why you had to wait three years. Anyway, let's 1:27:21.680 --> 1:27:23.920 move on to or what would Sister Peg Do? And 1:27:23.960 --> 1:27:25.240 listen to have any final thoughts. 1:27:25.400 --> 1:27:26.320 Well, yeah, it just reminds you. 1:27:26.479 --> 1:27:29.000 Yeah, it's like when the kids are dying of alcohol 1:27:29.040 --> 1:27:30.600 poisoning or I don't know, we have drugs, so we 1:27:30.600 --> 1:27:33.040 shouldn't say something. And it's like, you really think someone 1:27:33.080 --> 1:27:35.719 should die because you're scared of getting in trouble. Yeah, 1:27:35.720 --> 1:27:41.160 that's the thing, like you. Yeah, this episode so many 1:27:41.160 --> 1:27:44.719 gray area things. I wonder what our listeners feel about 1:27:44.760 --> 1:27:47.920 the two girls, about Benson and about the doctor. 1:27:48.560 --> 1:27:50.880 So let know they're gonna let us know, they're gonna 1:27:50.880 --> 1:27:53.360 be in the DMS, letting us know, let us know. 1:27:54.000 --> 1:27:58.559 But yeah, let's move on to what would Sister Peg Do? 1:27:58.840 --> 1:28:02.519 This is our weekly segment where we direct you to 1:28:02.600 --> 1:28:07.599 an organization, a book, a movie, a something, to an 1:28:07.720 --> 1:28:10.439 article to give you more information about what we talked about. 1:28:10.439 --> 1:28:12.479 And I just wanted to point you guys to organ 1:28:12.560 --> 1:28:15.439 donor dot gov. 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