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Speaker 1: Welcome to All the Smoke, a production of The Black

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Speaker 1: Effect and our Heart Radio and partnership with Showtime. Welcome

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Speaker 1: back Man, season two of All the Smoke. We got

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Speaker 1: a real special guests. What's up with your Brodie with

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Speaker 1: the virtual headshake? I'm gonna tell you something that I

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Speaker 1: never told back. I want to smoke. Welcome back to

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Speaker 1: another edition All the Smoke, Jack, what's happening? Was good?

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Speaker 1: My brother? Man? I can't call it everything good out there? Yes,

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Speaker 1: sir man, you look extra comfortable right now. Are you good?

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Speaker 1: You don't mean to fall asleep on me? Are you now?

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Speaker 1: I just relocated to a more comfortable spot in the crib,

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Speaker 1: that's all. I'm not mad at that. Man. We got

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Speaker 1: a special guest today coming from Uh yeah. I saw

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Speaker 1: this series on HBO before it called Gang Banging and

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Speaker 1: Little Rock? Is it that rough out there? Joe Joe Johnson?

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Speaker 1: Welcome Joe Johnson to the show. Are they really gang

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Speaker 1: banging out a little rock? Joe? Man? They're banging everywhere, man,

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Speaker 1: They're banging everywhere and they just a little rocky man.

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Speaker 1: We'll welcome to the show. Let's get to it. Man.

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Speaker 1: What is what is one thing you took from obviously,

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Speaker 1: starting with Kobe early in it was a domino effect

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Speaker 1: of just negative ship throughout the year. What was one

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Speaker 1: thing you took from and just to cheerish the thing

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Speaker 1: that you have more more importantly, Uh, spending you know

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Speaker 1: countless hours or you know a time with my kids.

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Speaker 1: For me, that was that was it. But I stayed

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Speaker 1: the gym, and with my kids Rice versa. Absolutely, how

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Speaker 1: many how many kids? And what are the ages? I

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Speaker 1: got to My son his name is Gavin, he's fourteen.

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Speaker 1: My daughter's her name is Justin, she's seven. So yeah,

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Speaker 1: I try to keep him in there. Women, I got

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Speaker 1: a seven year old too. It is your son into

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Speaker 1: hoping too? Yeah? Yeah, yeah. He's in the hooper man.

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Speaker 1: He uh, he trains his butt off, you know. He

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Speaker 1: put in the works, so you know it'll come. He

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Speaker 1: hadn't hit it, he hadn't hit no spurt yet, no

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Speaker 1: gross spurt yet. But you know, it's it's funny to

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Speaker 1: kind of see the changes and watch them grow week

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Speaker 1: so they're on the same They finally started to want

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Speaker 1: to work out in their own so, like you said,

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Speaker 1: you see those gradual improvements by the day to day basis.

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Speaker 1: I enjoy it personally. Oh man, it's fun. It's fun.

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Speaker 1: So in this in this young NBA season, who's captured

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Speaker 1: your attention, whether that be teams or individual players? That

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Speaker 1: would definitely have to say LaMelo. Man, LaMelo has been

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Speaker 1: He's been great. He's been everything that I thought he

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Speaker 1: would be. You know, a big, tall point guard who

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Speaker 1: has a great feel for the game, and I just

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Speaker 1: love to watch him play. Man. The one thing I

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Speaker 1: took from him is he just out there playing with confidence.

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Speaker 1: And that's what we all we all know, we all

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Speaker 1: played a long time. Confidences everything in this league. And

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Speaker 1: and and obviously if you get in the league, you

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Speaker 1: can play, but the fact that you have the confidence

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Speaker 1: in the green light. I love the way he's played.

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Speaker 1: He's played like he's been here for a handful of

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Speaker 1: years already. So he's definitely been an eye opener. I've

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Speaker 1: loved the wet way he's played. Yeah, very poise man.

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Speaker 1: I enjoy it, you know, to see how you run

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Speaker 1: the show, how he sees the floor like as a PG.

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Speaker 1: I mean you couldn't ask for a better player to

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Speaker 1: You look like you're in game shape. You're ready for

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Speaker 1: that deadline call. Man, Listen, I stay in game shape.

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Speaker 1: Uh honestly, Bro, I I stay in the gym and

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Speaker 1: me training and working out. I probably enjoyed that far

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Speaker 1: then yeah, I'll take a look at it. Like I said, Man,

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Speaker 1: my kids keep me going, bro. So we go to

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Speaker 1: the gym every day, workout, and we stay at it.

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Speaker 1: What's up. We'll take us back to where it all started. Um,

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Speaker 1: what was your upbringing? Like your childhood? Man, it was

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Speaker 1: the only child. It was just me and my mother.

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Speaker 1: Uh my dad has two daughters by previous marriage, but

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Speaker 1: I'm doing my thing. But I came up the only

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Speaker 1: the game probably about like eight, that's probably like right

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Speaker 1: when I started, like seven, eight years old, and from

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Speaker 1: that point on, Jack Man, I just I couldn't put

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Speaker 1: That's why it's hard to let go. You know what

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Speaker 1: I don't want to do it no more. Did you play?

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Speaker 1: Do you play any other sports? Growing up? Just basketball?

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Speaker 1: Strictly hooper, Bro, This is hey, listen, strictly strictly hooping.

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Speaker 1: That was it. I didn't try no other sport, didn't

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Speaker 1: Who Who are some of the players you looked up

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Speaker 1: to um growing up as a Hooper, Some top players

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Speaker 1: my idols, obviously Michael Jordan's opinion hard the way Kobe Bryant.

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Speaker 1: And when I say Kobe, I'm talking the number eight Kobe.

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Speaker 1: That's the Kobe. That's the Kobe I felt in. That's

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Speaker 1: the Kobe that was planted on my wall, you know

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Speaker 1: what I mean. I competed a lot against twenty four.

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Speaker 1: I competed against eight, too, but I competed a lot

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Speaker 1: you know, seventeen, eighteen years old out of high school,

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Speaker 1: because we did the same pre draft. You were out

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Speaker 1: this dude, Jack Like, he didn't say a word the

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Speaker 1: He just went out there and performed. It wasn't no talking,

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Speaker 1: it wasn't this, it wasn't that. Joe was just out

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Speaker 1: what y'all gotta understanding. Always my whole career, all way

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Speaker 1: up to about ninth grade, I played point guard. I

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Speaker 1: literally I was a strictly point guard. I complain no

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Speaker 1: had always had a decent handle going into ten grade, man,

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Speaker 1: I grew like four or five inches, you know what

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Speaker 1: I mean. Now I'm six five and jump balling. Bring

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Speaker 1: Going to the ninth grade. Yeah, alright, these are things

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Speaker 1: some notoriety, you know what I mean. But by some

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Speaker 1: But no, the talent is great. It was great back then.

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Speaker 1: I had to go to Okhill, Joe just to make

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Speaker 1: the McDonald's game. I was the same player my junior year,

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Speaker 1: but going to Oak Hill, I got a better look.

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Speaker 1: them looks. But what's stood out to you? What's what

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Speaker 1: stood out to you about your high school career? My

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Speaker 1: high school career, Man, I went to school. I went

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Speaker 1: A and the majority of us, you know, went over

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Speaker 1: to Central, the school called Central Little Rock Central High School,

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Speaker 1: the Little Rock nine segregation all that. That's a whole

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Speaker 1: another story we can talk about on another day. But

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Speaker 1: initially me and my best friend was just going there

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Speaker 1: but we should have wanted every year, man, But obviously

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Speaker 1: just gonna be honest. I'm gonna tell you what happened.

424
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Speaker 1: I'm gonna tell you what I think. I'm gonna tell

425
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Speaker 1: you what I think happened. What I think happened was,

426
00:21:34,160 --> 00:21:36,280
Speaker 1: like I tell you, I was a little inconsistent. So

427
00:21:36,480 --> 00:21:39,000
Speaker 1: they bring Nash and Q O with for me and

428
00:21:39,119 --> 00:21:41,960
Speaker 1: Q to battle out at the two spots. Because Sean

429
00:21:42,600 --> 00:21:44,400
Speaker 1: at the time of the three, he was an all

430
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Speaker 1: start to three. You who you You know what I'm saying.

431
00:21:48,359 --> 00:21:52,000
Speaker 1: So throughout throughout the whole camp, you know, from time

432
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Speaker 1: to time, me and Q will be up against each

433
00:21:53,680 --> 00:21:56,120
Speaker 1: other sometime we've been on team. But by the time

434
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Speaker 1: again in the first preseason game, he was like, man, Sean,

435
00:21:59,760 --> 00:22:01,639
Speaker 1: you just played the four, mar you played the five,

436
00:22:02,520 --> 00:22:04,959
Speaker 1: Joe and Q two and three. Because I don't know,

437
00:22:05,320 --> 00:22:07,400
Speaker 1: he just he just didn't want to leave nobody out.

438
00:22:07,440 --> 00:22:09,960
Speaker 1: I guess I'm not sure. And from that point on

439
00:22:10,320 --> 00:22:13,280
Speaker 1: we went. We blow through the whole preseason. I'm talking

440
00:22:13,320 --> 00:22:15,679
Speaker 1: about smashing teams, but you know it's the preseason. They're like,

441
00:22:15,720 --> 00:22:19,560
Speaker 1: oh man, with up. Regular season started the same thing.

442
00:22:19,880 --> 00:22:21,560
Speaker 1: So your next the next year, you're having your career

443
00:22:21,640 --> 00:22:24,040
Speaker 1: high seventeen points, get a chance to play all eighty

444
00:22:24,080 --> 00:22:27,280
Speaker 1: two games. You guys win sixty one games. What was

445
00:22:27,320 --> 00:22:29,359
Speaker 1: it like, kind of finding your footing? Because on the

446
00:22:29,400 --> 00:22:31,439
Speaker 1: outside looking in, that's kind of when you really started

447
00:22:31,440 --> 00:22:33,399
Speaker 1: fighting yourself. What was it like to kind of finding

448
00:22:33,440 --> 00:22:35,720
Speaker 1: and come into your own in that situation? It was

449
00:22:35,800 --> 00:22:38,640
Speaker 1: fun for me because I played backup point guard, even

450
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Speaker 1: though I started at the two or the three. Rather

451
00:22:41,800 --> 00:22:43,680
Speaker 1: I backed up Steve Nash when he went out of

452
00:22:43,680 --> 00:22:47,480
Speaker 1: the game, I played the point, and I always I

453
00:22:47,520 --> 00:22:50,000
Speaker 1: always loved playing the point because I love making plays

454
00:22:50,000 --> 00:22:53,480
Speaker 1: and making guys better. So I always took that challenge

455
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Speaker 1: and uh and have fun with it. Cod Antony, trust

456
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Speaker 1: me enough man, and put the ball in my hands

457
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Speaker 1: through Uh. You know, in tough situations, crunch time, and

458
00:23:02,160 --> 00:23:04,160
Speaker 1: I just tried to deliver. You had a nice run

459
00:23:04,200 --> 00:23:08,280
Speaker 1: with Phoenix UM two thousand five, you signed as a

460
00:23:08,320 --> 00:23:11,520
Speaker 1: restricted free agent. Oh yeah, so excuse me, a sign

461
00:23:11,600 --> 00:23:15,119
Speaker 1: and trade. You got your first nice piece of money,

462
00:23:15,280 --> 00:23:17,720
Speaker 1: ching ching. You feel like your time was up in

463
00:23:17,840 --> 00:23:20,520
Speaker 1: Phoenix or just you wanted a fresh start in Atlanta

464
00:23:20,680 --> 00:23:22,280
Speaker 1: the way it was set up, you know, like if

465
00:23:22,520 --> 00:23:25,800
Speaker 1: Phoenix scared everybody off from trying to sign me, then

466
00:23:25,800 --> 00:23:29,440
Speaker 1: they can lowball me and come back with some bs.

467
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Speaker 1: So I had to tell them, look, let's due to

468
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Speaker 1: sign and trade. I don't want to come back. I

469
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Speaker 1: had to if I didn't being out of cane back

470
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Speaker 1: for peanuts, you know what I'm saying. So I had

471
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Speaker 1: to make a tough decision. Yeah, I had to make

472
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Speaker 1: a tough of shooses. That sounds like some Robert sarvership

473
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Speaker 1: over there. Yeah first year Actually yeah he was. He was.

474
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Speaker 1: He was a bum. So we understand where you're coming from.

475
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Speaker 1: What did you see for yourself in a t l

476
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Speaker 1: Like when when you got there? What did you see?

477
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Speaker 1: I mean other than the city? You know, I liked it.

478
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Speaker 1: I loved the city. Uh you know, I had been

479
00:24:02,480 --> 00:24:04,959
Speaker 1: in Atlanta a few times, but I knew the Hawks

480
00:24:05,040 --> 00:24:08,520
Speaker 1: wasn't it wasn't a playoff team. But you know, I

481
00:24:08,600 --> 00:24:10,760
Speaker 1: was like, look, man, maybe you know, in a couple

482
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Speaker 1: of years, we can get this thing rolled and turn

483
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Speaker 1: this thing around, because I thought that the city deserved,

484
00:24:16,000 --> 00:24:19,720
Speaker 1: you know, a playoff team, a title contending team, and uh,

485
00:24:19,960 --> 00:24:21,359
Speaker 1: you know, he was able to turn around. And when

486
00:24:21,359 --> 00:24:23,119
Speaker 1: I first got to Atlanta, man didn't even feel like

487
00:24:23,160 --> 00:24:27,080
Speaker 1: the NBA like we we non seriously, we literally had

488
00:24:27,080 --> 00:24:30,480
Speaker 1: about maybe three or four hundred people at the games.

489
00:24:30,520 --> 00:24:32,840
Speaker 1: It was it was bad, man. It was so depressing,

490
00:24:32,920 --> 00:24:34,879
Speaker 1: Like to the point, well, I ain't even want to

491
00:24:34,880 --> 00:24:37,280
Speaker 1: go out to eat, hangout, I ain't wanna do nothing.

492
00:24:37,600 --> 00:24:39,800
Speaker 1: Like it was bad. From two thousand five to two

493
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Speaker 1: thou ten. You ever run a five straight seasons averaging

494
00:24:42,640 --> 00:24:45,159
Speaker 1: twenty points a game? What were once you? Guys? You

495
00:24:45,200 --> 00:24:47,520
Speaker 1: were able to change the climate and the culture. They're

496
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Speaker 1: um getting into the playoffs two thousand tho thousand and twelve,

497
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Speaker 1: you have some re memorable matchups, you know, running to

498
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Speaker 1: the Celtics team oh eight, Lebron's MVP two thousand ten

499
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Speaker 1: team Derrick Rose. What were some of your more memorable

500
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Speaker 1: playoff moments with that team? Man? Probably, you know, to

501
00:25:05,480 --> 00:25:09,479
Speaker 1: be honest, I had to say the Celtics series against

502
00:25:09,560 --> 00:25:11,880
Speaker 1: KG and Paul took him to seven, right, You took

503
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Speaker 1: him to seventh, didn't you. Yeah, we took him to

504
00:25:13,680 --> 00:25:16,119
Speaker 1: seven games. We were the A seed, they were the

505
00:25:16,200 --> 00:25:18,520
Speaker 1: one seed, and they just couldn't beat us in the

506
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Speaker 1: Atlanta Man. Atlanta, the fans really came out and gave

507
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Speaker 1: us that that six man that we needed because we

508
00:25:25,240 --> 00:25:27,479
Speaker 1: was kicking their butt in Atlanta, but they was roasting

509
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Speaker 1: us in Boston. We didn't have a chance. They have

510
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Speaker 1: at hey, listen, man were mopping the people in the

511
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Speaker 1: eight Man, but we could do nothing in Boston. Tough, tough, tough.

512
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Speaker 1: Who were some of the people you were closest to

513
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Speaker 1: on the Atlanta scene, Guys like Josh Smith, you know

514
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Speaker 1: ST's got this is you know, someone who I talked

515
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Speaker 1: to still the day and I mean he's my neighbor,

516
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Speaker 1: Marvin Williams. Uh when we got a Jeff Little, Jeff

517
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Speaker 1: t Josh Childress. You know, all those guys were young

518
00:26:06,400 --> 00:26:09,080
Speaker 1: in age and uh, you know, not far apart from me,

519
00:26:09,080 --> 00:26:11,080
Speaker 1: at least two three years far apart from me. So

520
00:26:11,600 --> 00:26:13,480
Speaker 1: you know, all those guys are cool. Was Jamal there

521
00:26:13,520 --> 00:26:15,960
Speaker 1: with you with all Crawford? Yeah, I played with Jamal

522
00:26:16,040 --> 00:26:18,639
Speaker 1: Crawford for two years. Man, they're doing there as a clown.

523
00:26:19,920 --> 00:26:25,200
Speaker 1: He take the all time? Man? What wrong with this dude? Man?

524
00:26:25,640 --> 00:26:28,560
Speaker 1: Bro with it. He don't have to say a word

525
00:26:28,640 --> 00:26:30,600
Speaker 1: to you. Man, he just walked up to you start tackling.

526
00:26:30,720 --> 00:26:34,160
Speaker 1: You know, you said he with them fingers, they'll poke,

527
00:26:34,400 --> 00:26:40,680
Speaker 1: right they do. Man, My boy though, no boy, shout

528
00:26:41,520 --> 00:26:43,880
Speaker 1: shout out Jamal. We gotta get Jamal on the show. Man.

529
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Speaker 1: I can't leave absolutely. So what led to you making

530
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Speaker 1: the move from Atlanta to Brooklyn? I don't know, man,

531
00:26:53,880 --> 00:26:56,840
Speaker 1: maybe timing. Uh, you know, I got a phone call.

532
00:26:56,960 --> 00:26:58,960
Speaker 1: They asked me. He's like, man, would you think about playing,

533
00:26:59,119 --> 00:27:01,760
Speaker 1: you know with the Brooklyn this? And at that time,

534
00:27:01,800 --> 00:27:03,719
Speaker 1: the Brooklyn it's been to be a first year So

535
00:27:03,760 --> 00:27:07,640
Speaker 1: I was like, whatever, it's New York. Whatever, And uh,

536
00:27:07,800 --> 00:27:10,520
Speaker 1: two three days later, I was traded. It's gonna happen.

537
00:27:10,720 --> 00:27:15,720
Speaker 1: So you're trading for Jordan Farmer, Anthony Morrow, Petro, Deshaun Stephenson,

538
00:27:16,640 --> 00:27:20,720
Speaker 1: and Jordan Williams for a first round pick. Um. What

539
00:27:20,800 --> 00:27:25,040
Speaker 1: was that experience like? Obviously a new Brooklyn team, Like

540
00:27:25,080 --> 00:27:27,960
Speaker 1: you said, you're in New York. What was that experience

541
00:27:28,040 --> 00:27:32,040
Speaker 1: like there's nothing like no other. I had a great

542
00:27:32,080 --> 00:27:34,360
Speaker 1: time playing in New York. It was it was awesome.

543
00:27:34,880 --> 00:27:36,959
Speaker 1: I never thought I'll be playing in New York. And

544
00:27:37,000 --> 00:27:40,480
Speaker 1: I thought Brooklyn was a great franchise. It still is,

545
00:27:41,000 --> 00:27:44,120
Speaker 1: um and I just enjoyed it. I enjoyed the whole process.

546
00:27:44,160 --> 00:27:46,640
Speaker 1: I had great teammates, you know, I would I wish

547
00:27:46,680 --> 00:27:49,399
Speaker 1: we could have, you know, done something special, but we didn't.

548
00:27:49,400 --> 00:27:51,240
Speaker 1: It was but it was fun. I got chat to

549
00:27:51,240 --> 00:27:55,359
Speaker 1: see Darren Williaves at his best, bro and uh, you know,

550
00:27:55,800 --> 00:27:58,120
Speaker 1: we lost to him in the in the playoffs. How

551
00:27:58,240 --> 00:28:00,439
Speaker 1: was it playing with him? And how good was he

552
00:28:00,480 --> 00:28:02,920
Speaker 1: at his best? He was great? You know, I think,

553
00:28:03,440 --> 00:28:05,400
Speaker 1: you know, whenever he had his mind, made up man

554
00:28:05,600 --> 00:28:10,400
Speaker 1: to attack and and made guys better around him. I mean,

555
00:28:10,600 --> 00:28:12,360
Speaker 1: you couldn't do nothing with him, because I've seen him

556
00:28:12,359 --> 00:28:15,080
Speaker 1: except the challenge, you know, night in and night out

557
00:28:15,119 --> 00:28:18,120
Speaker 1: against guys who you know, he may have heard whispers

558
00:28:18,160 --> 00:28:20,080
Speaker 1: that was better than him or things of that nature.

559
00:28:20,440 --> 00:28:23,080
Speaker 1: So I've seen him accept the challenges and and you

560
00:28:23,119 --> 00:28:25,480
Speaker 1: know and answer that. Uh so, yeah, I knew he

561
00:28:25,520 --> 00:28:27,920
Speaker 1: was the top point guard. The blockbuster trade of two

562
00:28:27,960 --> 00:28:31,600
Speaker 1: thousand thirteam that brought Paul pierceon Kevin Garnett to Brooklyn

563
00:28:31,640 --> 00:28:34,320
Speaker 1: along with Jason Kidd as the head coach. What was

564
00:28:34,359 --> 00:28:36,719
Speaker 1: the energy like around the city and what was your

565
00:28:36,760 --> 00:28:38,840
Speaker 1: excitement level like to to be able to have these

566
00:28:38,840 --> 00:28:42,080
Speaker 1: guys team. Oh, the energy around the city was crazy,

567
00:28:42,120 --> 00:28:44,960
Speaker 1: you know, I mean, the buzz was it was sick.

568
00:28:45,040 --> 00:28:47,520
Speaker 1: We was a title contending team. We was a team

569
00:28:47,560 --> 00:28:51,160
Speaker 1: that was supposed to be Miami and uh And honestly

570
00:28:51,160 --> 00:28:52,880
Speaker 1: I felt that way. I thought that we could have.

571
00:28:53,440 --> 00:28:55,000
Speaker 1: I thought that we really had a team to give

572
00:28:55,080 --> 00:28:57,400
Speaker 1: him a great run. Man. You know, those guys brought

573
00:28:57,400 --> 00:29:00,440
Speaker 1: that pedigree, that championship pedigree that we need it as

574
00:29:00,440 --> 00:29:03,240
Speaker 1: a team to get guys like myself, Darren and Brooke

575
00:29:04,080 --> 00:29:07,760
Speaker 1: over the hump. So they were great. They did their part. Man,

576
00:29:07,800 --> 00:29:11,880
Speaker 1: we just came up short. But the journey was fun, man,

577
00:29:12,120 --> 00:29:15,120
Speaker 1: getting to know you know, KG and getting to know

578
00:29:15,320 --> 00:29:18,720
Speaker 1: Paul on another level. Uh, I mean it was fun

579
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Speaker 1: for me. What was it like teaming up with them

580
00:29:20,720 --> 00:29:22,920
Speaker 1: as teammates. Obviously you got a chance to team up

581
00:29:22,960 --> 00:29:25,160
Speaker 1: with Paul your rookie year, you know, your your several

582
00:29:25,240 --> 00:29:27,680
Speaker 1: years into the league. Now you've established yourself as as

583
00:29:27,720 --> 00:29:29,680
Speaker 1: one of the best players in the league. What was

584
00:29:29,680 --> 00:29:31,680
Speaker 1: it like having those guys around in the locker room

585
00:29:31,720 --> 00:29:33,640
Speaker 1: and what are some of the maybe some of the

586
00:29:33,640 --> 00:29:36,240
Speaker 1: crazy stories you guys had as as a team. Well,

587
00:29:36,360 --> 00:29:42,760
Speaker 1: KG got a story every day, He got a different day.

588
00:29:42,880 --> 00:29:45,400
Speaker 1: Every day. He gonna be in full sweat telling you

589
00:29:45,520 --> 00:29:48,480
Speaker 1: the story too. So I looked forward to I look

590
00:29:48,520 --> 00:29:50,520
Speaker 1: forward to getting practice because he was always the first

591
00:29:50,520 --> 00:29:52,800
Speaker 1: one that practice. You could never beat in the practice first,

592
00:29:52,800 --> 00:29:55,080
Speaker 1: but any time I got there, he always had a

593
00:29:55,120 --> 00:29:57,760
Speaker 1: story for me. So he was definitely one of the

594
00:29:57,800 --> 00:30:00,400
Speaker 1: guys who I used to always, you know it, pick

595
00:30:00,440 --> 00:30:02,960
Speaker 1: and ask some questions. And he's a hell of a teammate.

596
00:30:03,000 --> 00:30:05,640
Speaker 1: He's just, you know, a guy to compete against. You know,

597
00:30:05,720 --> 00:30:08,280
Speaker 1: you probably have problems with, but as a teammate, bro,

598
00:30:08,400 --> 00:30:10,240
Speaker 1: you would love him. Know, we had him on the

599
00:30:10,280 --> 00:30:12,920
Speaker 1: show and I only got a chance to compete again

600
00:30:13,000 --> 00:30:14,560
Speaker 1: us in the whole time. But getting the chance to

601
00:30:14,560 --> 00:30:16,840
Speaker 1: meet him off the court and know him now, it's

602
00:30:16,840 --> 00:30:18,920
Speaker 1: crazy because you would think, like his energy is like

603
00:30:19,040 --> 00:30:21,240
Speaker 1: is that fake? Because that this it is that that's

604
00:30:21,240 --> 00:30:23,480
Speaker 1: the that's the motherfucker you get when the game is

605
00:30:23,520 --> 00:30:26,000
Speaker 1: going and in real life, sitting next to you chilling,

606
00:30:26,520 --> 00:30:29,560
Speaker 1: the same energy, the same kind of talk, the same sweat,

607
00:30:29,600 --> 00:30:32,800
Speaker 1: the same crazy stories. Uh is what you get on

608
00:30:32,880 --> 00:30:35,200
Speaker 1: and off the court with him. So it was fun

609
00:30:35,240 --> 00:30:37,680
Speaker 1: seeing that the energy was great. You know, Jason Terry

610
00:30:37,760 --> 00:30:43,520
Speaker 1: is with them too, so the character, oh my god,

611
00:30:43,640 --> 00:30:46,360
Speaker 1: the energy was crazy. But you know, like I said, man,

612
00:30:46,680 --> 00:30:48,640
Speaker 1: they kept us focus day in and day out on

613
00:30:48,680 --> 00:30:51,120
Speaker 1: what the prize was ultimately what we was trying to

614
00:30:51,120 --> 00:30:55,000
Speaker 1: do and with the title, and uh, we just tried

615
00:30:55,040 --> 00:30:57,600
Speaker 1: to gain their chemistry the whole year. But we dealt

616
00:30:57,640 --> 00:31:00,000
Speaker 1: with so many injuries. Brooke went out for he broke

617
00:31:00,040 --> 00:31:02,120
Speaker 1: gets foot and was out for the whole year, and

618
00:31:02,160 --> 00:31:05,440
Speaker 1: we was playing through Brooke, so you know, now we

619
00:31:05,480 --> 00:31:08,600
Speaker 1: had to switch up the whole scheme and figure things out.

620
00:31:08,680 --> 00:31:11,440
Speaker 1: But we tried to make the most of it. Man,

621
00:31:11,520 --> 00:31:14,200
Speaker 1: those guys were great. They did everything they could for us,

622
00:31:14,240 --> 00:31:17,280
Speaker 1: and uh, I just hate that we didn't even you know,

623
00:31:17,320 --> 00:31:20,120
Speaker 1: at least make it to the Eastern Conference finals or something.

624
00:31:20,360 --> 00:31:22,479
Speaker 1: You know, I just thought that, uh, we had that

625
00:31:22,640 --> 00:31:24,880
Speaker 1: they put that team together for us to really compete.

626
00:31:24,960 --> 00:31:27,000
Speaker 1: Obviously the goal was to make it to the finals.

627
00:31:27,000 --> 00:31:28,920
Speaker 1: You guys felt a little short, but you know, that

628
00:31:28,960 --> 00:31:32,000
Speaker 1: playoff process. You guys had a thrilling seven game series

629
00:31:32,040 --> 00:31:35,280
Speaker 1: against Toronto, but Paul Pierce comes up big with that shot.

630
00:31:35,800 --> 00:31:38,440
Speaker 1: What was the process like trying to get to the

631
00:31:38,480 --> 00:31:40,680
Speaker 1: finals that year, because obviously you guys had the team

632
00:31:40,680 --> 00:31:42,640
Speaker 1: you felt it was good enough to beat Lebron in them.

633
00:31:42,880 --> 00:31:45,400
Speaker 1: What was the process like in the playoffs? It was tough.

634
00:31:45,440 --> 00:31:47,440
Speaker 1: It was up and down because we had we had

635
00:31:47,480 --> 00:31:50,400
Speaker 1: a game in there to where man, we were down

636
00:31:50,560 --> 00:31:53,440
Speaker 1: almost forty points and we came back and tied it

637
00:31:53,520 --> 00:31:57,280
Speaker 1: up and almost one. I think throughout every game we

638
00:31:57,440 --> 00:31:59,720
Speaker 1: learned something that you know, you had to be consistent

639
00:31:59,760 --> 00:32:02,280
Speaker 1: for for eight minutes. And I think for me that

640
00:32:02,360 --> 00:32:06,880
Speaker 1: was probably the most the most thing. That the thing

641
00:32:06,920 --> 00:32:08,960
Speaker 1: that I've seen the most. Like, you know, we put

642
00:32:09,000 --> 00:32:12,880
Speaker 1: together a good half or or three quarters, but we

643
00:32:13,240 --> 00:32:16,600
Speaker 1: wasn't finishing games. And uh, come to the latter part

644
00:32:16,600 --> 00:32:18,840
Speaker 1: of that series, was able to put him away. In

645
00:32:18,840 --> 00:32:23,280
Speaker 1: that seven game in Toronto. We we played unbelievable down

646
00:32:23,280 --> 00:32:25,920
Speaker 1: the stretch. Now you guys are heading into the second

647
00:32:26,000 --> 00:32:29,640
Speaker 1: round with Miami. You know obviously they got their big team.

648
00:32:29,680 --> 00:32:31,600
Speaker 1: You guys got your team. You guys played We played

649
00:32:31,640 --> 00:32:34,080
Speaker 1: them well during the regular season, but in the playoffs

650
00:32:34,200 --> 00:32:37,520
Speaker 1: Lebron went on another level. What was that series? Like?

651
00:32:37,840 --> 00:32:40,520
Speaker 1: He had one of them games, man, to where he

652
00:32:40,680 --> 00:32:43,560
Speaker 1: just you know, locked in and I think he scored

653
00:32:43,600 --> 00:32:47,840
Speaker 1: like forty nine points. But it was it was just

654
00:32:47,960 --> 00:32:52,200
Speaker 1: him being ultra aggressive and just taking everything we gave.

655
00:32:52,320 --> 00:32:54,560
Speaker 1: You know, when he knocking down them them deep jumpers,

656
00:32:55,960 --> 00:32:58,719
Speaker 1: you had, you had his mercy, you know, he was

657
00:32:59,360 --> 00:33:01,280
Speaker 1: he was, he was, but he had he just had

658
00:33:01,320 --> 00:33:03,080
Speaker 1: one of those games and man, were he exploding. We

659
00:33:03,120 --> 00:33:06,240
Speaker 1: couldn't do nothing with him. And that's what it was like.

660
00:33:06,280 --> 00:33:08,320
Speaker 1: They got him over the hump. Yeah, so you guys

661
00:33:08,320 --> 00:33:10,160
Speaker 1: are on the decline. You guys went all and nothing.

662
00:33:10,200 --> 00:33:12,840
Speaker 1: They were Brooklyn the player doesn't work in fifteen sixteen.

663
00:33:12,880 --> 00:33:14,560
Speaker 1: You got to study on the decline. You take a

664
00:33:14,560 --> 00:33:17,360
Speaker 1: buy out. Had the South Beach for a little bit.

665
00:33:17,840 --> 00:33:20,240
Speaker 1: What was going on? What was Miami like? Man, it

666
00:33:20,400 --> 00:33:32,360
Speaker 1: was everything you can imagine class. Listen, they first class,

667
00:33:32,440 --> 00:33:36,080
Speaker 1: first and foremost. Uh and man, you're gonna put it

668
00:33:36,080 --> 00:33:38,320
Speaker 1: in the work. You know, you ain't no cutting no

669
00:33:38,440 --> 00:33:41,360
Speaker 1: corners around now, you know what I mean? Like they

670
00:33:41,400 --> 00:33:44,480
Speaker 1: do waiting body fat every Friday. So if you don't

671
00:33:44,520 --> 00:33:47,000
Speaker 1: make waiting body fat, it's gonna be Hey, it's gonna

672
00:33:47,040 --> 00:33:51,480
Speaker 1: be trouble. So, you know, I looked forward to that,

673
00:33:51,560 --> 00:33:53,760
Speaker 1: and I needed that type of discipline, man when I

674
00:33:53,800 --> 00:33:57,400
Speaker 1: was playing. So I had a great time in Miami

675
00:33:57,560 --> 00:33:59,440
Speaker 1: and I took a lot of things from that place

676
00:33:59,440 --> 00:34:02,800
Speaker 1: that I still used today in my dated life. Yeah

677
00:34:02,880 --> 00:34:05,280
Speaker 1: that's dope. So you went from one hot spot in

678
00:34:05,360 --> 00:34:09,840
Speaker 1: Miami to Salt Lake City, Uh, you know where you

679
00:34:09,880 --> 00:34:13,840
Speaker 1: found your role and played that perfect vet role and

680
00:34:13,920 --> 00:34:17,360
Speaker 1: helping defeat the Clippers in the first round. What was

681
00:34:17,400 --> 00:34:21,320
Speaker 1: it like going from Miami to Utah? It was a

682
00:34:21,360 --> 00:34:25,000
Speaker 1: little bit of a coaching shock, but I made the

683
00:34:25,040 --> 00:34:28,560
Speaker 1: most of it. I enjoyed the process. I knew what

684
00:34:28,600 --> 00:34:31,959
Speaker 1: I was there for and I just wanted to fulfill that.

685
00:34:32,280 --> 00:34:34,920
Speaker 1: You know, at that point, man, I was what I

686
00:34:35,000 --> 00:34:38,960
Speaker 1: was about thirty four. I knew my I knew my

687
00:34:39,000 --> 00:34:41,760
Speaker 1: basketball career is pretty much coming to an industroice planning

688
00:34:41,760 --> 00:34:44,360
Speaker 1: in the NBA. But I wanted to go out there

689
00:34:44,400 --> 00:34:46,680
Speaker 1: and hip those young guys win and we and we

690
00:34:46,760 --> 00:34:50,080
Speaker 1: put together put together a great game plan. You get

691
00:34:50,200 --> 00:34:53,160
Speaker 1: Queen and his and his coaches staff. You know, a

692
00:34:53,200 --> 00:34:55,920
Speaker 1: great great amount of critic because of what they're doing now.

693
00:34:55,960 --> 00:34:58,799
Speaker 1: It does not surprise me. Man. That man is the Jeans. Yeah,

694
00:34:58,800 --> 00:35:00,960
Speaker 1: we were been talking to a lot about him. You

695
00:35:01,040 --> 00:35:02,719
Speaker 1: got a chance to play two with the with the

696
00:35:02,800 --> 00:35:05,440
Speaker 1: young Gordon Hayward, who we talked about earlier in one

697
00:35:05,480 --> 00:35:07,440
Speaker 1: of our other shows, who's kind of finding his footing

698
00:35:07,480 --> 00:35:11,640
Speaker 1: again in Charlotte. How good was Gordon Hayward healthy? Uh?

699
00:35:11,680 --> 00:35:15,239
Speaker 1: In you talk? Gordon is great. I mean he's a

700
00:35:15,400 --> 00:35:18,840
Speaker 1: three level score get to the cup, mire range three balls.

701
00:35:18,960 --> 00:35:21,759
Speaker 1: He's good off the good off the bounce, and good

702
00:35:21,760 --> 00:35:25,560
Speaker 1: in picking rolls. He made guys better. I thought I

703
00:35:25,560 --> 00:35:27,440
Speaker 1: thought he was great. I think he's a great talent

704
00:35:27,520 --> 00:35:33,600
Speaker 1: and he's showing improving it now. You Yeah, nickname is

705
00:35:33,960 --> 00:35:37,279
Speaker 1: so Joe. I kind of changed your name, bro, I

706
00:35:37,360 --> 00:35:39,040
Speaker 1: kind of. I kind of switched your name up a

707
00:35:39,040 --> 00:35:42,440
Speaker 1: little busy. People don't know you wanted. You wanted original

708
00:35:42,560 --> 00:35:46,240
Speaker 1: Jarding guys. You know what I'm saying. You want original guys. So,

709
00:35:46,239 --> 00:35:49,120
Speaker 1: so I changed your name is SPECIs. Especially after the

710
00:35:49,160 --> 00:35:51,120
Speaker 1: battle we had in the Championship and after you ran

711
00:35:51,160 --> 00:35:53,960
Speaker 1: through the Big Three, I changed I changed your name

712
00:35:54,040 --> 00:36:00,920
Speaker 1: to air So Joe. Hey, we're hey. When when was

713
00:36:01,000 --> 00:36:03,640
Speaker 1: when when was the name? I'm calling you ask so

714
00:36:03,800 --> 00:36:05,440
Speaker 1: Joe from here on out, But when did the name

715
00:36:05,800 --> 00:36:08,680
Speaker 1: so Joe officially? When? When was the name officially born?

716
00:36:09,040 --> 00:36:11,960
Speaker 1: I don't know when, man, gonna be honest, because when

717
00:36:11,960 --> 00:36:16,120
Speaker 1: I'll be seeing some late game footage, like older game footage,

718
00:36:16,680 --> 00:36:19,359
Speaker 1: I can hear then announced to say I so Joe.

719
00:36:19,400 --> 00:36:23,560
Speaker 1: I just remember really coming to live in Utah, you know,

720
00:36:23,600 --> 00:36:26,759
Speaker 1: in Utah and that uh in the Clipper series. I

721
00:36:26,800 --> 00:36:30,560
Speaker 1: remember hearing it so much, and it's just kind of

722
00:36:31,200 --> 00:36:36,560
Speaker 1: just kind of stuck with it. It seems like the

723
00:36:36,600 --> 00:36:38,920
Speaker 1: rooft your career, you've always been willing to take and

724
00:36:38,960 --> 00:36:41,319
Speaker 1: make the big shots down the stretch. You've always been

725
00:36:41,320 --> 00:36:43,960
Speaker 1: a clutch performer. Has it just always been that way.

726
00:36:44,080 --> 00:36:46,160
Speaker 1: Was a point in the league where you felt like, Okay,

727
00:36:46,200 --> 00:36:47,799
Speaker 1: I could do this or have you always had that

728
00:36:47,800 --> 00:36:50,319
Speaker 1: thought process even coming into the NBA? Man, you know what,

729
00:36:50,480 --> 00:36:54,919
Speaker 1: It's just a knack that I've had since since high school. Man,

730
00:36:54,960 --> 00:36:59,600
Speaker 1: I've in late game situations, I've always been pretty good, Uh,

731
00:37:00,040 --> 00:37:01,840
Speaker 1: you know, just trying to let my team and coaching

732
00:37:01,880 --> 00:37:05,080
Speaker 1: stepp down uh in those moments, you know, and those

733
00:37:05,160 --> 00:37:08,480
Speaker 1: moments are needing a bucket or needing to stop. But

734
00:37:08,480 --> 00:37:11,880
Speaker 1: but more important is just I just love those moments, man.

735
00:37:11,880 --> 00:37:13,719
Speaker 1: I mean we all have them, you know, we all

736
00:37:13,760 --> 00:37:17,080
Speaker 1: count down, shoot the shot. I just I just love

737
00:37:17,160 --> 00:37:19,960
Speaker 1: being in those situations. Hey, I think, I think so.

738
00:37:20,320 --> 00:37:22,719
Speaker 1: I think I think Matt that with him, with him

739
00:37:22,760 --> 00:37:24,839
Speaker 1: it's a little different because he already like a laid

740
00:37:24,880 --> 00:37:26,759
Speaker 1: back type of cat and and in games he like

741
00:37:26,840 --> 00:37:29,479
Speaker 1: he got that Tim duncan gene. You can't you can't

742
00:37:29,520 --> 00:37:32,160
Speaker 1: rather them, you can't frust them. They always that even killed,

743
00:37:32,560 --> 00:37:34,960
Speaker 1: So Jake, Kobe and Kobe the same way. And the

744
00:37:34,960 --> 00:37:37,080
Speaker 1: guys at the end of the game that said, even killed,

745
00:37:37,480 --> 00:37:39,680
Speaker 1: they're gonna shoot. They shot the same way that at

746
00:37:39,680 --> 00:37:41,000
Speaker 1: the end of the game, the same way that shoot

747
00:37:41,000 --> 00:37:45,600
Speaker 1: in the first quarter. That's that. That's that poison patience.

748
00:37:48,080 --> 00:37:50,040
Speaker 1: That's what that's that's that's that's what I'll be a

749
00:37:50,120 --> 00:37:53,040
Speaker 1: preaching bro poison patients. I teach that to my son.

750
00:37:53,440 --> 00:37:55,560
Speaker 1: I teach that to all my kids who we trained

751
00:37:56,080 --> 00:37:59,320
Speaker 1: and uh, because if you got that, there's nothing that

752
00:37:59,400 --> 00:38:03,240
Speaker 1: can rather of you, just kid, and very few players

753
00:38:03,280 --> 00:38:06,480
Speaker 1: have it. M Are there any shots in your career

754
00:38:06,520 --> 00:38:08,400
Speaker 1: that stand out the most? You've hit a lot of

755
00:38:08,400 --> 00:38:11,560
Speaker 1: big ones. Anyone that you remember like, okay, hell yeah,

756
00:38:11,600 --> 00:38:15,320
Speaker 1: that was it? Anytheam and stands out. I know, you

757
00:38:15,400 --> 00:38:17,920
Speaker 1: gotta go through a lot of game winners. Make it.

758
00:38:17,960 --> 00:38:22,040
Speaker 1: Hey that ship I know one for sure? What was

759
00:38:22,080 --> 00:38:28,080
Speaker 1: you one? The one went in Brooklyn? You too? You

760
00:38:28,160 --> 00:38:32,319
Speaker 1: hit two? You hit two against the Bucks against the Bucks? Yeah? Yeah, yeah,

761
00:38:32,400 --> 00:38:36,440
Speaker 1: that was a yeah them them? Uh yeah. I would

762
00:38:36,440 --> 00:38:39,680
Speaker 1: say there was probably the most difficult ones because the

763
00:38:39,719 --> 00:38:41,680
Speaker 1: way I caught the ball on the three point of

764
00:38:41,719 --> 00:38:45,040
Speaker 1: the first time, I had to turn my body like

765
00:38:45,080 --> 00:38:47,440
Speaker 1: the obposite wait were like from my shooting hand, I

766
00:38:47,440 --> 00:38:50,040
Speaker 1: had it. So to make that shot to tie again,

767
00:38:50,200 --> 00:38:52,319
Speaker 1: that was tough. And then they come back and over

768
00:38:52,400 --> 00:38:55,319
Speaker 1: time and make the game winning shot pull up at

769
00:38:55,320 --> 00:38:57,400
Speaker 1: the free throw line was Yeah, that was probably the

770
00:38:57,400 --> 00:39:02,600
Speaker 1: toughest one. I would say, seven time All Star. Any

771
00:39:02,719 --> 00:39:05,120
Speaker 1: moments in the All Star Game that stand out to

772
00:39:05,160 --> 00:39:08,759
Speaker 1: you the most? Yeah, my first one, My first one, Man,

773
00:39:08,800 --> 00:39:12,000
Speaker 1: I played. My first one was in Vegas. I didn't

774
00:39:12,000 --> 00:39:15,319
Speaker 1: even get picked for the Alstar Games averaging game. But

775
00:39:15,520 --> 00:39:19,040
Speaker 1: I'm playing with the Hawks. We weren't winning. Jay Kidd

776
00:39:19,080 --> 00:39:22,000
Speaker 1: get hurt, he was playing. He get hurt. And I

777
00:39:22,080 --> 00:39:25,520
Speaker 1: was alternate. I took it just I took it with pride.

778
00:39:26,440 --> 00:39:29,480
Speaker 1: I showed up in Vegas and had a hell of

779
00:39:29,480 --> 00:39:33,600
Speaker 1: a time. Man, that was my first one. Bro. I

780
00:39:33,760 --> 00:39:36,160
Speaker 1: enjoyed that with Man. It was because it was it

781
00:39:36,239 --> 00:39:39,440
Speaker 1: was so unexpected. It was so spontaneous, like we was

782
00:39:39,480 --> 00:39:42,120
Speaker 1: already on the West Coast playing and you had to be,

783
00:39:42,480 --> 00:39:45,000
Speaker 1: you know, in Vegas on like a Friday. It was

784
00:39:45,040 --> 00:39:51,759
Speaker 1: already like Wednesday. So when they told me right to Vegas, Man,

785
00:39:51,800 --> 00:39:53,359
Speaker 1: we had a ball, me and my home. We went

786
00:39:53,520 --> 00:39:55,520
Speaker 1: to add the ball. I was gonna say, that's the

787
00:39:55,560 --> 00:39:58,319
Speaker 1: All Star game that the pac Man Jones got in

788
00:39:58,400 --> 00:40:01,480
Speaker 1: trouble at in Vegas. Right, it was else he got

789
00:40:01,480 --> 00:40:04,880
Speaker 1: to some ship, right, Yeah. Toughest opponents throughout your career,

790
00:40:05,400 --> 00:40:08,880
Speaker 1: toughest opponents, man, the toughest guys that were for me

791
00:40:08,920 --> 00:40:14,960
Speaker 1: to guard with, Guys like Ray Allen, Reggie Miller, Rip Hamilton.

792
00:40:15,880 --> 00:40:18,799
Speaker 1: They it was too much for me man chasing off

793
00:40:18,840 --> 00:40:23,759
Speaker 1: them picks. They don't stop my people. Man, Listen. That

794
00:40:24,000 --> 00:40:26,959
Speaker 1: is because look, you gotta spend so much energy defensively

795
00:40:27,160 --> 00:40:29,919
Speaker 1: and take away your offense because you're chasing the whole game.

796
00:40:30,000 --> 00:40:33,120
Speaker 1: That's that's The hardest part that with them the hard

797
00:40:33,200 --> 00:40:35,759
Speaker 1: people to guard. Yeah, people think like, don't get me wrong,

798
00:40:35,840 --> 00:40:39,000
Speaker 1: it's hard to guard Kobe Lebron, But you know you

799
00:40:39,120 --> 00:40:41,279
Speaker 1: played good defense. They make a shot, alright, cool, But

800
00:40:41,360 --> 00:40:43,880
Speaker 1: to chase, to chase a man around the whole court

801
00:40:43,920 --> 00:40:45,880
Speaker 1: and then had to fight through two and three picks,

802
00:40:46,280 --> 00:40:49,040
Speaker 1: that's the hardest thing. That's when they had the big

803
00:40:49,040 --> 00:40:53,800
Speaker 1: big the big screeners too. That's when Ben Wallace playing

804
00:40:54,080 --> 00:40:58,080
Speaker 1: the Detroit KG was setting picks for Ray, like chasing them.

805
00:40:58,160 --> 00:41:00,239
Speaker 1: Dudes in Indiana said it was funny because we were

806
00:41:00,280 --> 00:41:03,200
Speaker 1: playing Boston in the Eastern Finals and I had to

807
00:41:03,280 --> 00:41:05,480
Speaker 1: chase Ray's ass around. I was going between Paul and

808
00:41:05,560 --> 00:41:07,600
Speaker 1: Ray and I just couldn't get it. So I called

809
00:41:07,600 --> 00:41:09,560
Speaker 1: Reggie Miller just like, yeah, what the fund can I

810
00:41:09,600 --> 00:41:12,000
Speaker 1: do to So he had told me a couple of

811
00:41:12,000 --> 00:41:14,320
Speaker 1: tricks on grabbing and not letting them feel his body

812
00:41:14,320 --> 00:41:17,160
Speaker 1: and it helped. But overall, remember having to chase these

813
00:41:17,200 --> 00:41:19,400
Speaker 1: dudes around picks. You work your ass off, get hit

814
00:41:19,400 --> 00:41:21,120
Speaker 1: with big screens and they still make the shot. That

815
00:41:21,120 --> 00:41:26,000
Speaker 1: ship used to be so frustrating, man, so frustrating. It's

816
00:41:26,000 --> 00:41:29,040
Speaker 1: the hardest thing. Who was your favorite one on one battle,

817
00:41:30,280 --> 00:41:33,600
Speaker 1: My favorite one on one battle. Uh Man. I had

818
00:41:33,640 --> 00:41:41,840
Speaker 1: some good battles with Brandon Roy. Yeah, killer. Then I

819
00:41:41,880 --> 00:41:45,040
Speaker 1: had some good battles with Brandon Roy, playing against Brunn

820
00:41:45,080 --> 00:41:48,080
Speaker 1: and Cleveland a few times that we had some good battles.

821
00:41:49,200 --> 00:41:51,840
Speaker 1: Uh Kobe. I remember going back and forth with Kobe

822
00:41:51,880 --> 00:41:54,520
Speaker 1: once and he came to Atlanta. Lakers came to Atlanta

823
00:41:55,239 --> 00:41:59,960
Speaker 1: and uh Man, probably by like the last fourteen point

824
00:42:00,040 --> 00:42:02,279
Speaker 1: his fifteen points, it was just me and him going

825
00:42:02,360 --> 00:42:05,359
Speaker 1: back and forth, and you know, it's it. And when

826
00:42:05,400 --> 00:42:07,840
Speaker 1: Lakers come to Atlanta, you can see number Laker fans

827
00:42:07,840 --> 00:42:11,000
Speaker 1: in there. Uh Man, it was going crazy. That was

828
00:42:11,080 --> 00:42:14,360
Speaker 1: going crazy. But those are those definitely moments that I remember.

829
00:42:14,800 --> 00:42:17,800
Speaker 1: You mentioned Brandon Roy as one of your favorite matchups.

830
00:42:17,880 --> 00:42:20,879
Speaker 1: What made him so special? I feel like he's someone

831
00:42:20,920 --> 00:42:22,600
Speaker 1: who gets lost in the mix and probably one of

832
00:42:22,600 --> 00:42:25,160
Speaker 1: the greatest what if stories in the history of the game.

833
00:42:25,200 --> 00:42:27,520
Speaker 1: What made Brandon Roy so special? In your opinion, he

834
00:42:27,640 --> 00:42:29,239
Speaker 1: just knew how to play man. He had a great

835
00:42:29,280 --> 00:42:31,839
Speaker 1: pace he had to get He had a great pace

836
00:42:31,920 --> 00:42:34,880
Speaker 1: to his game, and he was an underrated defender. I

837
00:42:34,920 --> 00:42:37,719
Speaker 1: thought he was a pretty good defender, and uh he

838
00:42:37,840 --> 00:42:40,000
Speaker 1: really made me lock in when I played against him.

839
00:42:40,040 --> 00:42:41,879
Speaker 1: That's why I said he was one of the good

840
00:42:41,920 --> 00:42:45,520
Speaker 1: matchups because he he was a quiet guy also, but

841
00:42:45,600 --> 00:42:48,399
Speaker 1: he got it done. Yeah. I thought you guys had

842
00:42:48,400 --> 00:42:51,080
Speaker 1: to have some similarities from a you know, pace of

843
00:42:51,160 --> 00:42:54,840
Speaker 1: play and and never hurried, can play at different speeds

844
00:42:54,840 --> 00:42:58,439
Speaker 1: if wanted, and can definitely get a bucket. So that's

845
00:42:58,480 --> 00:43:00,239
Speaker 1: interesting you brought that up as a matchup because I

846
00:43:00,680 --> 00:43:04,759
Speaker 1: definitely see some comparisons and some similarities between you two. Yeah,

847
00:43:04,760 --> 00:43:08,120
Speaker 1: and he was athletic to that boys some sneaky oh yeah,

848
00:43:08,280 --> 00:43:14,760
Speaker 1: dunk on you too? Big three Bro? Big Three? Uh?

849
00:43:15,239 --> 00:43:18,400
Speaker 1: Are you hoping to return to the Big Three? I've started.

850
00:43:18,400 --> 00:43:19,840
Speaker 1: I was in the Big Thie from the start, one

851
00:43:19,880 --> 00:43:22,439
Speaker 1: of the faces, bro, and my three years of playing

852
00:43:22,480 --> 00:43:25,040
Speaker 1: a Big Three, my favorite game. I was honored to

853
00:43:25,040 --> 00:43:27,480
Speaker 1: play against you in the championship. I think that was

854
00:43:27,520 --> 00:43:30,120
Speaker 1: my favorite game by far my Big Three career. But

855
00:43:30,320 --> 00:43:32,719
Speaker 1: I know you're returning as as defended champion. How are

856
00:43:32,719 --> 00:43:35,359
Speaker 1: you feeling about the Big Three and did you enjoy man,

857
00:43:35,680 --> 00:43:38,880
Speaker 1: I'm honestly I'm looking forward to it. I'm hoping that

858
00:43:38,960 --> 00:43:42,879
Speaker 1: it comes back. I want to play, uh, and for me.

859
00:43:43,160 --> 00:43:46,000
Speaker 1: It doesn't wonder us. Man. I mean, he gave me

860
00:43:46,040 --> 00:43:49,759
Speaker 1: an outlet. It was a stress reliever from from that

861
00:43:49,920 --> 00:43:53,160
Speaker 1: time through what I was going through. Gave my kids

862
00:43:53,160 --> 00:43:56,920
Speaker 1: something doing the weekend, something fun. But most importantly, I

863
00:43:56,960 --> 00:43:59,600
Speaker 1: got a chance to compete again at a high level,

864
00:43:59,800 --> 00:44:02,759
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. So I really enjoy that. Man,

865
00:44:02,800 --> 00:44:06,919
Speaker 1: that that that never that never dies. I don't feel

866
00:44:06,960 --> 00:44:08,640
Speaker 1: like it ever dies in me. You know that that

867
00:44:08,760 --> 00:44:12,480
Speaker 1: competitive nature always wanted to compete and play like I mean,

868
00:44:12,520 --> 00:44:15,480
Speaker 1: it's just me. So it kind of seems like, will

869
00:44:15,560 --> 00:44:19,160
Speaker 1: you ever be at peace with letting basketball go where

870
00:44:19,120 --> 00:44:20,680
Speaker 1: you're gonna be someone that we're gonna see in the

871
00:44:20,760 --> 00:44:23,960
Speaker 1: gym still in ten or fifteen years or busting yourselves

872
00:44:23,960 --> 00:44:26,719
Speaker 1: ass or somehow someway. Well, basketball is always gonna be

873
00:44:26,719 --> 00:44:29,080
Speaker 1: a big part of your life. Yeah, basketball will always

874
00:44:29,120 --> 00:44:31,560
Speaker 1: be a big part. Man. It opened too many doors

875
00:44:31,600 --> 00:44:34,120
Speaker 1: for me. Uh, I love it and I and you

876
00:44:34,160 --> 00:44:36,800
Speaker 1: know I didn't I didn't quit because I have a

877
00:44:37,120 --> 00:44:41,239
Speaker 1: you know, uh, knee surgery, ankle surgery or you know,

878
00:44:41,719 --> 00:44:44,839
Speaker 1: I had an injury period. You know. Uh, it's just

879
00:44:44,880 --> 00:44:47,160
Speaker 1: the older you get. I mean, you guys understand how

880
00:44:47,160 --> 00:44:49,360
Speaker 1: it is or the nature of the business. But you

881
00:44:49,400 --> 00:44:51,600
Speaker 1: know it wasn't that great. You know my last year

882
00:44:51,800 --> 00:44:54,399
Speaker 1: or last year too in the NBA. But I still

883
00:44:54,440 --> 00:44:56,560
Speaker 1: love to play, and like I said, my kids pushed me. Man.

884
00:44:56,560 --> 00:44:58,880
Speaker 1: So yeah, y'all are definitely y'all always see me in

885
00:44:58,880 --> 00:45:00,360
Speaker 1: the gym. You'll always see me work, can out and

886
00:45:00,360 --> 00:45:02,920
Speaker 1: probably see me hooping somewhere. Let me go back right quickly, though,

887
00:45:02,920 --> 00:45:05,000
Speaker 1: but I want you to shout out to Ice Cube.

888
00:45:05,280 --> 00:45:06,839
Speaker 1: I want you to set the stage for a lot

889
00:45:06,880 --> 00:45:10,560
Speaker 1: of people that don't know the Big Three Championship bronze sideline.

890
00:45:10,600 --> 00:45:14,239
Speaker 1: We had all the superstars, all the celebrities. Tell me

891
00:45:14,280 --> 00:45:16,600
Speaker 1: your experience for the Big Three Championship in led State

892
00:45:16,680 --> 00:45:19,719
Speaker 1: with something. It was more than what I expected. I

893
00:45:19,760 --> 00:45:22,600
Speaker 1: really enjoyed it. I think, Yeah, shout out to Cube

894
00:45:22,680 --> 00:45:26,560
Speaker 1: man for for making that happen and uh and getting

895
00:45:26,560 --> 00:45:28,840
Speaker 1: a chance to compete against you. Jack was awesome. Bro.

896
00:45:28,880 --> 00:45:31,840
Speaker 1: I already knew the challenges that was upon myself and

897
00:45:31,880 --> 00:45:34,719
Speaker 1: our team going into that game. I was like, look, man,

898
00:45:35,080 --> 00:45:37,960
Speaker 1: don't y'all go to listen all that Jack gonna be talking. Man,

899
00:45:38,040 --> 00:45:43,680
Speaker 1: y'all get that. Look we stand what he talked about. Man,

900
00:45:43,719 --> 00:45:49,120
Speaker 1: we're gonna compete with this weird So, man, I really

901
00:45:49,160 --> 00:45:53,120
Speaker 1: appreciate that. And then look and I became super super

902
00:45:53,160 --> 00:45:57,919
Speaker 1: cool Frank Nitty uh the TBT together. So a lot

903
00:45:58,000 --> 00:46:00,879
Speaker 1: came from there. Man, I really appreciate y'all. Man, I mean,

904
00:46:00,880 --> 00:46:02,640
Speaker 1: I had a ball. I hope you all enjoyed John

905
00:46:02,680 --> 00:46:05,399
Speaker 1: Sales as well. I did. I did, Bro, because like

906
00:46:05,520 --> 00:46:08,120
Speaker 1: me being around, I know you was going through a

907
00:46:08,160 --> 00:46:10,040
Speaker 1: lot of the time. You had just lost somebody, Bro.

908
00:46:10,120 --> 00:46:12,919
Speaker 1: So so to see you rejuvenate, you know what I'm saying,

909
00:46:12,960 --> 00:46:14,480
Speaker 1: come back to the Big Three and do what you

910
00:46:14,520 --> 00:46:16,560
Speaker 1: said you was gonna do a dog. Not only I

911
00:46:16,600 --> 00:46:18,960
Speaker 1: wanted to win, but the competitor and the brotherhood and

912
00:46:19,040 --> 00:46:22,360
Speaker 1: me was happy to see you win. Bro. To watch,

913
00:46:22,400 --> 00:46:24,280
Speaker 1: I mean, it looked like you hadn't missed a step.

914
00:46:24,480 --> 00:46:26,400
Speaker 1: You opened up a path when you were the first

915
00:46:26,440 --> 00:46:29,360
Speaker 1: player to get a shot from the Big Three to

916
00:46:29,400 --> 00:46:32,080
Speaker 1: the league. Right, if I'm not mistaken with the situation.

917
00:46:32,120 --> 00:46:34,799
Speaker 1: First want to get a job? Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,

918
00:46:34,880 --> 00:46:38,520
Speaker 1: yeah yeah yeah. Some good came from that. The only problem,

919
00:46:38,560 --> 00:46:41,959
Speaker 1: My only problem was I went from playing one game

920
00:46:42,000 --> 00:46:44,719
Speaker 1: a week, two in training camp seven days a week.

921
00:46:47,440 --> 00:46:50,040
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. Problem Like, you know, I

922
00:46:50,120 --> 00:46:52,759
Speaker 1: worked out and trained during the week during the Big Three,

923
00:46:52,800 --> 00:46:54,400
Speaker 1: but I know I ain't gotta go as hard, you know,

924
00:46:54,480 --> 00:46:57,200
Speaker 1: on the weekend, like man, they put me in the

925
00:46:57,320 --> 00:47:00,600
Speaker 1: training camp and my tender nitus and both my knees

926
00:47:00,680 --> 00:47:05,080
Speaker 1: bro flare it up and which and that ultimately got

927
00:47:05,080 --> 00:47:07,080
Speaker 1: me cut. So it got me cut. But I went

928
00:47:07,120 --> 00:47:09,800
Speaker 1: back to the drawing board and I figured out pretty

929
00:47:09,880 --> 00:47:12,319
Speaker 1: much how to you know, bullet proof you need so

930
00:47:12,400 --> 00:47:14,799
Speaker 1: to speak, or make them stronger. And there's a lot

931
00:47:14,840 --> 00:47:16,920
Speaker 1: of things I really had to dive into deep as

932
00:47:16,920 --> 00:47:19,319
Speaker 1: far as the body and how to train the body

933
00:47:19,400 --> 00:47:22,600
Speaker 1: and keep the body going as you get older, you know,

934
00:47:22,640 --> 00:47:24,839
Speaker 1: as we get older. You know, people think we got

935
00:47:24,840 --> 00:47:27,120
Speaker 1: a tendency to where, you know, we can't hoop, but

936
00:47:27,239 --> 00:47:30,160
Speaker 1: we can't run. We can't do little things like running

937
00:47:30,200 --> 00:47:32,560
Speaker 1: outside in the yard with our kids. But there are

938
00:47:32,560 --> 00:47:34,680
Speaker 1: always But you gotta put in the work, don You

939
00:47:34,760 --> 00:47:38,480
Speaker 1: gotta be discipline. You gotta have some consistency to it

940
00:47:38,560 --> 00:47:41,600
Speaker 1: in order for it to work. So I dove into this.

941
00:47:42,360 --> 00:47:45,239
Speaker 1: I dove into it, and then COVID happened, and I

942
00:47:45,320 --> 00:47:47,520
Speaker 1: just I stayed into what I was doing, which was

943
00:47:47,560 --> 00:47:50,400
Speaker 1: working out, training my body, preparing my body to be

944
00:47:50,440 --> 00:47:53,920
Speaker 1: able to go hoop with no problems. That's basically what

945
00:47:54,000 --> 00:47:56,360
Speaker 1: it was. No, we didn't definitely see you. You're a

946
00:47:56,360 --> 00:47:59,000
Speaker 1: lot more active on the Graham Now look like you

947
00:47:59,280 --> 00:48:01,719
Speaker 1: look like you're trying to be an underwear model. That

948
00:48:01,800 --> 00:48:07,799
Speaker 1: boy's out here trying to get it. Man. We're gonna

949
00:48:07,800 --> 00:48:12,880
Speaker 1: explore all options. You know what I'm sense you know,

950
00:48:15,440 --> 00:48:20,520
Speaker 1: Peter Palm said, try it all man, everybody, everybody out

951
00:48:20,520 --> 00:48:23,279
Speaker 1: here getting themself right? I said, may look, let me

952
00:48:23,320 --> 00:48:27,000
Speaker 1: throw something up here. Man out here, see yeah, I

953
00:48:27,080 --> 00:48:33,040
Speaker 1: gotta catch that way. Yeah, hey man, listen, if one

954
00:48:33,040 --> 00:48:35,719
Speaker 1: thing about it, COVID has told us all to be

955
00:48:35,840 --> 00:48:39,040
Speaker 1: self sufficient and if you don't do nothing else, man,

956
00:48:39,120 --> 00:48:42,160
Speaker 1: just investing yourself. So that's what I'm doing. You're talking

957
00:48:42,160 --> 00:48:44,520
Speaker 1: to the right guy, Matt. Matt is the guy, trust

958
00:48:44,520 --> 00:48:45,640
Speaker 1: me if you want to, if you want to get

959
00:48:45,680 --> 00:48:49,640
Speaker 1: into that leg, Matt, it's the guy home stretched quick hitters.

960
00:48:49,960 --> 00:48:53,319
Speaker 1: You plus four going to the black Top? Who you

961
00:48:53,360 --> 00:48:58,840
Speaker 1: bring it with you going to the black Top to who? Yeah? Anybody? Yeah?

962
00:48:58,880 --> 00:49:01,719
Speaker 1: You plus for plus four? Hold on, So this ain't

963
00:49:01,719 --> 00:49:06,240
Speaker 1: the talking NBA we're just talking period, anybody straight up period.

964
00:49:06,680 --> 00:49:08,840
Speaker 1: Oh man, I'm the holies from around the way. I

965
00:49:08,920 --> 00:49:13,720
Speaker 1: got four people around him. Man, I'm putting against anybody.

966
00:49:13,760 --> 00:49:17,759
Speaker 1: We're gonna be good. We're gonna but what they don't

967
00:49:17,800 --> 00:49:20,400
Speaker 1: know is but what they don't know you brought You

968
00:49:20,480 --> 00:49:24,320
Speaker 1: brought two people from your Arkansas team and won the

969
00:49:24,360 --> 00:49:29,200
Speaker 1: Big Three championship. Right. We played college ball together, Gario Parking,

970
00:49:29,280 --> 00:49:33,400
Speaker 1: Sigario Gibson. We played college ball together. That that was

971
00:49:33,440 --> 00:49:35,800
Speaker 1: another thing. There was another thing that enticed me to

972
00:49:35,880 --> 00:49:38,440
Speaker 1: play in the Big Three. And I remember seeing Q

973
00:49:38,680 --> 00:49:40,520
Speaker 1: with to come by and que like, Hey, look, i'mnna

974
00:49:40,520 --> 00:49:43,080
Speaker 1: tell you right now, but I'll be picking your homeboy. Man.

975
00:49:43,160 --> 00:49:46,120
Speaker 1: I look, I'm picking people who I know it's gonna

976
00:49:46,120 --> 00:49:50,120
Speaker 1: be put themselves on the line. Man for see. I

977
00:49:50,200 --> 00:49:52,520
Speaker 1: knew that, you know what I mean. But yeah, that

978
00:49:52,560 --> 00:49:54,480
Speaker 1: was that was that was fun as well. Yeah, that

979
00:49:54,600 --> 00:49:57,280
Speaker 1: was dope. One player you wish you could have played

980
00:49:57,440 --> 00:49:59,719
Speaker 1: with that you didn't didn't get a chance to during

981
00:49:59,719 --> 00:50:03,600
Speaker 1: your career, probably Lebron because I had that opportunity and

982
00:50:03,760 --> 00:50:10,279
Speaker 1: uh I chose to go play in Miami. Yeah, but

983
00:50:10,360 --> 00:50:12,719
Speaker 1: that's the year they came back and wanted Uh they

984
00:50:12,719 --> 00:50:16,200
Speaker 1: were down three one in the finals and wanted yet

985
00:50:16,280 --> 00:50:20,520
Speaker 1: the Warriors. Yeah, you could have been on that team. Yeah,

986
00:50:20,520 --> 00:50:23,520
Speaker 1: but see that's the competitor. That's the competitive side of me,

987
00:50:23,560 --> 00:50:25,640
Speaker 1: because it was like, Man, you can go over here

988
00:50:26,040 --> 00:50:28,600
Speaker 1: with d Wade and Miami. Man, y'all can play against

989
00:50:28,680 --> 00:50:31,560
Speaker 1: le Bron and compete. That's that. That's just what I

990
00:50:31,600 --> 00:50:33,080
Speaker 1: had in Man. I was like, Man, I'm going over

991
00:50:33,080 --> 00:50:34,960
Speaker 1: here with the Wade because at the time that he

992
00:50:35,160 --> 00:50:37,279
Speaker 1: was still good. They were they were like number five

993
00:50:37,280 --> 00:50:39,160
Speaker 1: in the East, and I was like, I can help,

994
00:50:39,200 --> 00:50:41,200
Speaker 1: and I think we got up to like three two

995
00:50:41,280 --> 00:50:45,160
Speaker 1: or three, but we ultimately white side. He got hurt

996
00:50:45,239 --> 00:50:49,040
Speaker 1: in the playoffs. Man, we played against Toronto. I'm out

997
00:50:49,080 --> 00:50:53,480
Speaker 1: there playing the five. That's a look. Look look the

998
00:50:53,480 --> 00:50:59,120
Speaker 1: funny part. That's how bits Man got paid. Happy. He

999
00:50:59,239 --> 00:51:01,920
Speaker 1: got paid because he was playing against a small forward.

1000
00:51:04,840 --> 00:51:08,120
Speaker 1: Give me your top five clutch players, top five clutch

1001
00:51:08,480 --> 00:51:17,080
Speaker 1: h M J cole Lebron. I'm gonna say ai. Yeah,

1002
00:51:19,920 --> 00:51:25,000
Speaker 1: and the way brod Way solid list that the way

1003
00:51:25,080 --> 00:51:28,879
Speaker 1: first championship Man, they may care of the team was unbelievable.

1004
00:51:28,920 --> 00:51:32,399
Speaker 1: He was like thirty seven in the finals. I think

1005
00:51:32,440 --> 00:51:38,280
Speaker 1: he ever real like that. Uh five five dinner guests

1006
00:51:38,280 --> 00:51:45,800
Speaker 1: dead are alive? Five dinner against Bernie Mac rest in peace? Nice, yeah,

1007
00:51:46,280 --> 00:51:53,120
Speaker 1: rest in peace, Bernie mad I thinking about that one guy.

1008
00:51:54,560 --> 00:51:57,279
Speaker 1: That's a good one. Yeah, I five dinner against that

1009
00:51:57,800 --> 00:52:00,719
Speaker 1: live you got Bernie Mack. Have to come back to

1010
00:52:00,800 --> 00:52:08,440
Speaker 1: that one man. That's a good question. Uh, Bill Clinton, Okay,

1011
00:52:08,640 --> 00:52:13,400
Speaker 1: that's the first. Yeah, arkosos Bill from from from Yeah,

1012
00:52:13,560 --> 00:52:19,680
Speaker 1: of course I definitely put Obama in there. Two more

1013
00:52:19,800 --> 00:52:22,279
Speaker 1: so there's two. There's two presidents. I'm sitting down with

1014
00:52:23,040 --> 00:52:27,000
Speaker 1: two presidents. Yeah, and and Bernie and Bernie. So yeah,

1015
00:52:27,040 --> 00:52:30,640
Speaker 1: we're gonna have some jokes. Uh yeah, bring my mom

1016
00:52:30,800 --> 00:52:36,200
Speaker 1: with me then bring yeah right down right down right

1017
00:52:36,239 --> 00:52:39,399
Speaker 1: then right there. I gotta have moms that make it right.

1018
00:52:40,960 --> 00:52:43,040
Speaker 1: Who do you want to see on the show? Who

1019
00:52:43,080 --> 00:52:44,480
Speaker 1: do you want to see on All the Smokes? But

1020
00:52:44,480 --> 00:52:47,880
Speaker 1: before you answer this question, you have to help us

1021
00:52:47,880 --> 00:52:49,759
Speaker 1: with the answer. Whatever you're answer is, you gotta help

1022
00:52:49,840 --> 00:52:52,200
Speaker 1: us get that person on. Okay, who do I want

1023
00:52:52,200 --> 00:52:55,399
Speaker 1: to see on All the Smoke? Yeah, we was talking

1024
00:52:55,400 --> 00:52:57,839
Speaker 1: about him earli, y'all gotta get your mom Cromfort on here,

1025
00:52:57,880 --> 00:53:02,719
Speaker 1: bro j Carl good call. Yeah, I need to hit

1026
00:53:02,800 --> 00:53:06,719
Speaker 1: and tell amen looking at you, man, Yeah, hold on,

1027
00:53:06,719 --> 00:53:10,120
Speaker 1: hold on, man, hold on, man, hold on, man, hold on. Matt. Hey, Joe,

1028
00:53:10,719 --> 00:53:13,439
Speaker 1: you know you know, I know that Southern Talk hit

1029
00:53:13,520 --> 00:53:15,600
Speaker 1: him with the same league on. You just hit this weird.

1030
00:53:15,680 --> 00:53:17,440
Speaker 1: You want me to hit them folks? You want me

1031
00:53:17,440 --> 00:53:30,919
Speaker 1: to hit them with that same thing? People looking on Yeah, yeah, yeah, man.

1032
00:53:31,560 --> 00:53:34,919
Speaker 1: We appreciate you, Doc Man. Thank you Joe for your time. Man,

1033
00:53:35,200 --> 00:53:38,720
Speaker 1: thank you. That's a wrap, Joe, thank you for your time.

1034
00:53:38,800 --> 00:53:41,799
Speaker 1: You can catch this on Showtime Basketball, YouTube and the

1035
00:53:41,880 --> 00:53:45,600
Speaker 1: I Heart platform Black Effects. We'll see y'all next week.

1036
00:53:46,400 --> 00:53:48,839
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