1 00:00:01,600 --> 00:00:05,640 Speaker 1: This is Lines and Times, a podcast for fishermen, hunters, 2 00:00:05,960 --> 00:00:10,440 Speaker 1: and outdoor enthusiasts. Joining me is Cal Hardy. Cal's a 3 00:00:10,440 --> 00:00:15,040 Speaker 1: former college baseball player, lifelong hunter, and a representative for 4 00:00:15,120 --> 00:00:18,560 Speaker 1: white tail properties. So if you're looking at starting your 5 00:00:18,600 --> 00:00:22,040 Speaker 1: own property and where to So if you're thinking about 6 00:00:22,079 --> 00:00:26,360 Speaker 1: buying acreage, whether it's small amounts to massive amounts, cal 7 00:00:26,360 --> 00:00:29,240 Speaker 1: can points you in the right direction. Today we're going 8 00:00:29,320 --> 00:00:31,880 Speaker 1: to go over all sorts of stuff. Who Cal is, 9 00:00:32,320 --> 00:00:35,239 Speaker 1: what his hunting pedigree is, what he enjoys. But then 10 00:00:35,280 --> 00:00:37,920 Speaker 1: on top of that, if you buy a property or 11 00:00:37,960 --> 00:00:40,080 Speaker 1: you have access to land, what to do with it 12 00:00:40,720 --> 00:00:43,960 Speaker 1: specific to the animals you're trying to attract, keep and 13 00:00:44,040 --> 00:00:47,199 Speaker 1: help conserve. Give me the background, like, how old were 14 00:00:47,240 --> 00:00:49,280 Speaker 1: you when you first went hunting? 15 00:00:49,680 --> 00:00:52,479 Speaker 2: Man? Probably one of my first memories of seven years old, 16 00:00:52,600 --> 00:00:53,520 Speaker 2: killed my first year. 17 00:00:53,440 --> 00:00:54,160 Speaker 3: Sitting with my dad. 18 00:00:54,360 --> 00:00:56,840 Speaker 2: Really yeah, I've been started at an early age. 19 00:00:56,920 --> 00:00:58,120 Speaker 1: So take me back to that day. 20 00:00:59,320 --> 00:01:04,000 Speaker 3: Oh, probably it's early October. 21 00:01:04,440 --> 00:01:07,120 Speaker 2: We're sitting in a little hatefield we've got I'm I 22 00:01:07,160 --> 00:01:07,800 Speaker 2: was a little kid. 23 00:01:07,840 --> 00:01:09,319 Speaker 3: I was always smaller in stature. 24 00:01:09,360 --> 00:01:13,600 Speaker 2: But we're sitting in aluminum folding chairs behind some haybales 25 00:01:13,640 --> 00:01:16,240 Speaker 2: stacked up. I got my guns propped up on this. 26 00:01:16,480 --> 00:01:18,679 Speaker 2: Remember it's a two twenty three. 27 00:01:18,720 --> 00:01:19,360 Speaker 3: I still got it. 28 00:01:20,120 --> 00:01:21,280 Speaker 1: Everybody has their first cat. 29 00:01:21,360 --> 00:01:23,480 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, man, I still got it. My my brother 30 00:01:23,560 --> 00:01:25,440 Speaker 2: killed his first year with it. My sister killed her 31 00:01:25,480 --> 00:01:28,120 Speaker 2: first year with it. So it's been it's been in 32 00:01:28,160 --> 00:01:30,399 Speaker 2: the family for a while. But I'm sitting there. It's 33 00:01:30,440 --> 00:01:32,479 Speaker 2: got a big banana clip in this gun, and we've 34 00:01:32,480 --> 00:01:35,440 Speaker 2: got it mashed down in these hay bells to kind 35 00:01:35,480 --> 00:01:38,679 Speaker 2: of reduce some of the recoil. And I had fallen asleep. 36 00:01:38,880 --> 00:01:41,040 Speaker 2: I'd fall asleep in the chairs. My head was thrown 37 00:01:41,120 --> 00:01:42,800 Speaker 2: back in one of those chairs. My dad woke me 38 00:01:42,880 --> 00:01:45,960 Speaker 2: up and there's a little little little basket for point 39 00:01:46,040 --> 00:01:48,000 Speaker 2: and one shot dropped him right there. 40 00:01:48,240 --> 00:01:50,000 Speaker 3: Never forget it. Got it on video at home? 41 00:01:50,400 --> 00:01:50,960 Speaker 1: Do you really? 42 00:01:51,080 --> 00:01:51,320 Speaker 3: Yeah? 43 00:01:51,480 --> 00:01:53,440 Speaker 1: Wow? How many people have that stuff on video? 44 00:01:53,520 --> 00:01:54,080 Speaker 3: Yeah? 45 00:01:54,200 --> 00:01:56,440 Speaker 1: What about fishing? You ever do any fishing when you were. 46 00:01:56,600 --> 00:01:59,080 Speaker 2: So My dad he used to coach football down in 47 00:01:59,120 --> 00:02:02,240 Speaker 2: South Georgia, and so he had access to all these 48 00:02:02,280 --> 00:02:05,200 Speaker 2: little farm ponds and everything down there. Dad's in the 49 00:02:05,200 --> 00:02:06,919 Speaker 2: front of the boat. I'm in the back of the boat. 50 00:02:07,120 --> 00:02:08,160 Speaker 3: We're out there fishing. 51 00:02:08,280 --> 00:02:12,400 Speaker 2: I mean fish, fries, cheese, grits, hush puppies. 52 00:02:12,400 --> 00:02:13,760 Speaker 3: That was the thing growing up. 53 00:02:13,840 --> 00:02:17,040 Speaker 1: Man, it's a largemouth bass. You don't mind eating, No, 54 00:02:17,120 --> 00:02:19,280 Speaker 1: not at all. There's so many people that are like, 55 00:02:19,360 --> 00:02:21,120 Speaker 1: you know, oh yeah, frown upon it. 56 00:02:21,520 --> 00:02:23,560 Speaker 3: Frown upon it. Shoot, that's what we grew up eating. 57 00:02:23,600 --> 00:02:25,520 Speaker 1: I mean, it's a different taste, that's for sure. There's 58 00:02:25,520 --> 00:02:26,880 Speaker 1: nothing better than fried cafish. 59 00:02:27,440 --> 00:02:32,360 Speaker 2: Ah, Really, crappy or walleye, okay, are in the in 60 00:02:32,440 --> 00:02:33,040 Speaker 2: the category. 61 00:02:33,240 --> 00:02:35,400 Speaker 1: What I'm happy about is that you didn't go saltwater 62 00:02:35,480 --> 00:02:37,799 Speaker 1: on it. No, because I've said that to people before 63 00:02:37,840 --> 00:02:39,720 Speaker 1: and they bring up mahi mahi, and I go, all right, 64 00:02:39,840 --> 00:02:44,919 Speaker 1: we're talking about domestication, we're talking about being here exactly. 65 00:02:44,960 --> 00:02:46,000 Speaker 1: So you like walleye. 66 00:02:46,160 --> 00:02:48,600 Speaker 2: So I've only eaten walleye twice because you know, that's 67 00:02:48,680 --> 00:02:49,639 Speaker 2: kind of a northern thing. 68 00:02:49,639 --> 00:02:50,880 Speaker 3: It's not in the south. 69 00:02:51,040 --> 00:02:54,160 Speaker 2: But those people up north, they'll frown on you for 70 00:02:54,200 --> 00:02:56,720 Speaker 2: eating crappy down here because they think walley is that 71 00:02:56,800 --> 00:02:59,000 Speaker 2: superior of a fish, which is pretty good. 72 00:02:59,400 --> 00:03:02,160 Speaker 1: Let's go back year hunting days when you were a kid. 73 00:03:01,960 --> 00:03:04,200 Speaker 2: So I don't spend a whole lot of time deer 74 00:03:04,240 --> 00:03:04,920 Speaker 2: hunting anymore. 75 00:03:04,960 --> 00:03:05,639 Speaker 1: What do you do now? 76 00:03:05,880 --> 00:03:09,120 Speaker 2: I'm a big bird hunter, waterfowl hunter. I travel all 77 00:03:09,160 --> 00:03:11,600 Speaker 2: over the country, and you don't have to sit there 78 00:03:11,639 --> 00:03:13,960 Speaker 2: and be quiet and wait on one animal. 79 00:03:13,680 --> 00:03:13,880 Speaker 1: To be. 80 00:03:15,639 --> 00:03:17,560 Speaker 2: I can sit there and cut up with my buddies, 81 00:03:17,639 --> 00:03:19,120 Speaker 2: walk around, make noise. 82 00:03:19,240 --> 00:03:21,640 Speaker 3: I don't. I don't have to spray all the sense 83 00:03:21,720 --> 00:03:22,360 Speaker 3: spray on me. 84 00:03:22,800 --> 00:03:25,760 Speaker 1: There is a big difference. Like I lived in Missouri 85 00:03:25,840 --> 00:03:29,079 Speaker 1: before moving to Georgia, and you know that's a central flyway. 86 00:03:29,200 --> 00:03:32,160 Speaker 1: Oh yes, oh yeah, that's the world series a duck hunter. 87 00:03:32,240 --> 00:03:33,040 Speaker 3: It absolutely is. 88 00:03:33,160 --> 00:03:34,760 Speaker 1: And I was a member of a duck club. And 89 00:03:34,840 --> 00:03:37,560 Speaker 1: I know that sounds super pretentious, you know, a member 90 00:03:37,600 --> 00:03:39,720 Speaker 1: of the duck Club boos, But it wasn't like that 91 00:03:39,760 --> 00:03:42,000 Speaker 1: at all. In fact, it was a fifty three foot 92 00:03:42,160 --> 00:03:45,840 Speaker 1: trailer that was converted into duck space. I wouldn't even 93 00:03:45,840 --> 00:03:49,400 Speaker 1: say it's a club. We had a grandfather's table in 94 00:03:49,440 --> 00:03:52,240 Speaker 1: there that had three chairs, and they weren't that great. 95 00:03:52,680 --> 00:03:55,640 Speaker 1: There were two giant benches made out of solid wood, 96 00:03:55,960 --> 00:03:57,640 Speaker 1: and that's where you put your waiters on, and then 97 00:03:57,640 --> 00:03:59,640 Speaker 1: you grab your sled you go right out into the field. 98 00:03:59,760 --> 00:04:02,440 Speaker 1: And I mean it was awesome. It was flooded corn. 99 00:04:02,880 --> 00:04:05,520 Speaker 1: We had some soybeans and some millet and all that 100 00:04:05,600 --> 00:04:08,960 Speaker 1: kind of stuff. Oh it was perfect, you know, because 101 00:04:09,160 --> 00:04:11,400 Speaker 1: we had the guys that ran it. They were farmers, 102 00:04:11,640 --> 00:04:14,440 Speaker 1: so they would cut the crop specifically for what they 103 00:04:14,480 --> 00:04:16,880 Speaker 1: needed for feed. But then on top of that they 104 00:04:16,880 --> 00:04:19,800 Speaker 1: would leave enough rows to where it was huge habitat exactly. 105 00:04:19,920 --> 00:04:23,600 Speaker 1: But also that area you couldn't throw a rock and 106 00:04:23,600 --> 00:04:24,599 Speaker 1: not hit a duck club. 107 00:04:24,720 --> 00:04:25,040 Speaker 3: Yeah. 108 00:04:25,120 --> 00:04:27,360 Speaker 1: I mean they're all up and down the Mississippi and 109 00:04:27,400 --> 00:04:28,360 Speaker 1: the Missouri rivers. 110 00:04:29,000 --> 00:04:32,000 Speaker 2: I've seen old schoolhouses. They take them and they take 111 00:04:32,040 --> 00:04:34,000 Speaker 2: each schoolroom and turn them into a bedroom, and then 112 00:04:34,040 --> 00:04:36,720 Speaker 2: everybody has the big living room in the cafeteria and 113 00:04:37,360 --> 00:04:40,039 Speaker 2: sitting and hanging out. I mean, it doesn't have to 114 00:04:40,080 --> 00:04:43,000 Speaker 2: be this elegant button your shirt all the way up 115 00:04:43,040 --> 00:04:46,400 Speaker 2: to the top of button tie everything. It's just spending 116 00:04:46,440 --> 00:04:49,799 Speaker 2: time with people that are like minded people. You'll remember 117 00:04:49,880 --> 00:04:52,600 Speaker 2: more about the times that you spent the memories you've 118 00:04:52,640 --> 00:04:55,520 Speaker 2: made with the people than any animal as you've ever harvested. 119 00:04:55,720 --> 00:04:57,800 Speaker 1: It is interesting you bring that up because I get 120 00:04:57,800 --> 00:05:00,720 Speaker 1: asked a lot by nine hunters, and I appreciate any 121 00:05:00,839 --> 00:05:04,080 Speaker 1: nine hunter asking questions because I think they really need 122 00:05:04,120 --> 00:05:08,320 Speaker 1: to understand what goes into the conservation side of hunting 123 00:05:08,880 --> 00:05:12,120 Speaker 1: compared to what they believe is just a way for 124 00:05:12,160 --> 00:05:16,960 Speaker 1: people to kill. Success in hunting, I feel, is rarely 125 00:05:17,000 --> 00:05:18,359 Speaker 1: about the take of an animal. 126 00:05:18,839 --> 00:05:21,640 Speaker 2: Absolutely, and watching a kid taking a kid hunting for 127 00:05:21,640 --> 00:05:24,359 Speaker 2: the first time and seeing the just the glow in 128 00:05:24,400 --> 00:05:29,120 Speaker 2: their eyes and the excitement is is more magical than anything. 129 00:05:29,160 --> 00:05:31,360 Speaker 3: I never realized that until obviously I got older. 130 00:05:31,400 --> 00:05:35,080 Speaker 2: I don't have kids myself, but just taking young kids 131 00:05:35,160 --> 00:05:37,760 Speaker 2: out and spending times with them in the outdoors is 132 00:05:37,880 --> 00:05:38,640 Speaker 2: pretty rewarding. 133 00:05:38,760 --> 00:05:40,760 Speaker 1: But that's how it felt when you were little and 134 00:05:40,800 --> 00:05:41,400 Speaker 1: your dad took. 135 00:05:41,360 --> 00:05:44,400 Speaker 3: Oh yeah, oh yeah, I was fired up, ready to go. 136 00:05:44,760 --> 00:05:47,920 Speaker 1: You did say that you like to travel, and you'll 137 00:05:47,960 --> 00:05:51,640 Speaker 1: travel for wing shooting and duck hunting. Are you talking 138 00:05:51,680 --> 00:05:53,839 Speaker 1: about upland stuff too, or are you talking so? 139 00:05:54,320 --> 00:05:58,080 Speaker 2: Actually, you got a new nine month old little Britney 140 00:05:58,080 --> 00:06:02,599 Speaker 2: Spaniel puppy point dog, and I'm actually going I'll be 141 00:06:03,000 --> 00:06:07,400 Speaker 2: in Colorado for Sage grouse opener this year in September, 142 00:06:07,880 --> 00:06:10,840 Speaker 2: and then I'm also going to South Dakota Fezant hunting this. 143 00:06:10,880 --> 00:06:11,600 Speaker 3: Year in November. 144 00:06:11,640 --> 00:06:14,279 Speaker 1: And you're bringing your dog? Oh yeah, to be that guy. 145 00:06:14,440 --> 00:06:15,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, man, are. 146 00:06:15,480 --> 00:06:16,440 Speaker 1: You excited about that? 147 00:06:16,600 --> 00:06:20,560 Speaker 2: I'm a little hesitant because it'll be the first year hunter, 148 00:06:21,200 --> 00:06:22,760 Speaker 2: but I don't have a problem putting her in the 149 00:06:22,760 --> 00:06:24,040 Speaker 2: truck if she starts acting up. 150 00:06:24,120 --> 00:06:25,920 Speaker 1: Sometimes you can go out to some of these lodges 151 00:06:26,480 --> 00:06:29,160 Speaker 1: and you'll find guides that are like, I don't want 152 00:06:29,160 --> 00:06:31,560 Speaker 1: anybody else's dogs running. My dogs are the only ones 153 00:06:31,560 --> 00:06:32,120 Speaker 1: that run. 154 00:06:32,000 --> 00:06:34,880 Speaker 2: Well, and you can respect that absolutely. That's what they do, 155 00:06:34,920 --> 00:06:38,120 Speaker 2: that's their livelihood. They don't want any other liability on 156 00:06:38,160 --> 00:06:41,080 Speaker 2: their shoulders. But given the opportunity, I would like to 157 00:06:41,160 --> 00:06:41,880 Speaker 2: run my own dog. 158 00:06:41,960 --> 00:06:42,880 Speaker 3: That's why I bought her. 159 00:06:42,960 --> 00:06:44,920 Speaker 1: There is nothing better than watching a working dog. 160 00:06:45,080 --> 00:06:49,120 Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, dude, it's unbelievable. It's crazy to think 161 00:06:49,120 --> 00:06:50,960 Speaker 2: that they'll come out as a puppy and like they 162 00:06:51,000 --> 00:06:53,839 Speaker 2: have those natural instincts, but just to refine that into 163 00:06:54,080 --> 00:06:58,160 Speaker 2: just a true working dog, there's not much more rewarding. 164 00:06:58,360 --> 00:07:00,760 Speaker 1: When I was spending time in area and able to 165 00:07:00,880 --> 00:07:04,040 Speaker 1: hunt the Central Flyway, we had all sorts of dogs. 166 00:07:04,040 --> 00:07:07,039 Speaker 1: We had dogs that were supposed to be trained dogs, 167 00:07:07,040 --> 00:07:09,680 Speaker 1: but then they became house dogs, and then you try 168 00:07:09,720 --> 00:07:13,080 Speaker 1: to get them out there and Duke go like do 169 00:07:13,640 --> 00:07:16,800 Speaker 1: something you gotta and then we had buddies like I've 170 00:07:16,800 --> 00:07:18,960 Speaker 1: got a friend of mine who sent his dog off 171 00:07:18,960 --> 00:07:24,360 Speaker 1: to the trainer for seven months and that dog is unreal. 172 00:07:24,520 --> 00:07:27,360 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, and his eyes would scan the horizon and 173 00:07:27,400 --> 00:07:29,240 Speaker 1: he'd be on ducks before you even Oh yeah. 174 00:07:29,240 --> 00:07:31,000 Speaker 2: A lot of times you can watch your dog and 175 00:07:31,040 --> 00:07:32,720 Speaker 2: they can pick up a bird before you can. 176 00:07:32,960 --> 00:07:37,040 Speaker 1: It's it's incredible. So now your career has kind of shifted. 177 00:07:37,120 --> 00:07:39,440 Speaker 1: Now you do white tail properties. So your love of 178 00:07:39,480 --> 00:07:43,160 Speaker 1: the outdoors has gotten you into a career that really 179 00:07:43,200 --> 00:07:43,720 Speaker 1: fuels that. 180 00:07:44,000 --> 00:07:48,880 Speaker 2: Yeah, I've been extremely, extremely fortunate with timing and things 181 00:07:48,880 --> 00:07:51,240 Speaker 2: that have gone on in my life. So definitely think 182 00:07:51,320 --> 00:07:53,080 Speaker 2: God's got a plan for me, and I think this 183 00:07:53,240 --> 00:07:53,880 Speaker 2: is part of it. 184 00:07:54,280 --> 00:07:56,720 Speaker 1: What are some of the basics when a first time 185 00:07:56,880 --> 00:08:00,960 Speaker 1: landowner wants to do turkey hunting, wants to do deer hunting. 186 00:08:01,160 --> 00:08:02,960 Speaker 1: What's one of the first things they should do to 187 00:08:03,000 --> 00:08:04,400 Speaker 1: get that land ready to hunt. 188 00:08:04,760 --> 00:08:08,640 Speaker 2: One. I would look for hardwood bottoms. I would look 189 00:08:08,640 --> 00:08:11,920 Speaker 2: for some type of water with hardwoods around it, clear 190 00:08:12,080 --> 00:08:14,160 Speaker 2: enough that you can see. You don't want it to 191 00:08:14,160 --> 00:08:16,960 Speaker 2: be so thick that you can't see through the groundcover 192 00:08:17,320 --> 00:08:20,240 Speaker 2: You could control burn, to burn a lot of the undergrowth. 193 00:08:20,280 --> 00:08:22,760 Speaker 2: You could go through those kid steers and what they 194 00:08:22,880 --> 00:08:26,400 Speaker 2: call select cut. You just cut some of the little 195 00:08:26,400 --> 00:08:29,320 Speaker 2: stuff off. Or if you wanted to just turn it 196 00:08:29,320 --> 00:08:31,520 Speaker 2: straight into pasture, you have a timber company come in 197 00:08:31,560 --> 00:08:33,960 Speaker 2: and clear cut it, stump it, and you're ready to 198 00:08:33,960 --> 00:08:34,640 Speaker 2: plant a pastor. 199 00:08:34,800 --> 00:08:36,520 Speaker 1: You're able to make money off of that right as 200 00:08:36,520 --> 00:08:38,880 Speaker 1: a property owner. If a timber company wants to come. 201 00:08:38,720 --> 00:08:40,800 Speaker 3: In, Yeah, absolutely, you have to. 202 00:08:41,040 --> 00:08:43,800 Speaker 2: Obviously you need to shop the different timber companies because 203 00:08:43,800 --> 00:08:46,160 Speaker 2: there are guys out there that will take advantage of you. 204 00:08:46,160 --> 00:08:48,480 Speaker 2: You can make money off of the timber. They'll come 205 00:08:48,520 --> 00:08:50,600 Speaker 2: in cut it, they charge you a certain amount of 206 00:08:50,600 --> 00:08:52,679 Speaker 2: fee to cut it, and then whatever they can sell 207 00:08:52,720 --> 00:08:53,480 Speaker 2: it for at the meal. 208 00:08:53,800 --> 00:08:54,959 Speaker 3: You make some money off of that. 209 00:08:55,080 --> 00:08:56,040 Speaker 1: If you do it the right way. 210 00:08:56,080 --> 00:08:56,480 Speaker 3: Correct. 211 00:08:56,760 --> 00:08:59,520 Speaker 1: What's your opinion when it comes to what to plant 212 00:08:59,640 --> 00:09:01,320 Speaker 1: after they've taken care of the cutting. 213 00:09:01,800 --> 00:09:04,560 Speaker 2: A lot of times it depends on the pH of 214 00:09:04,600 --> 00:09:08,280 Speaker 2: the soil. What's gonna grow the best for certain applications, 215 00:09:08,320 --> 00:09:11,800 Speaker 2: how much water you're getting, how much light If it's 216 00:09:11,880 --> 00:09:13,760 Speaker 2: just a little hole in the middle of the woods, 217 00:09:13,760 --> 00:09:15,440 Speaker 2: how much light are you gonna be able to get 218 00:09:15,640 --> 00:09:16,679 Speaker 2: to grow something. 219 00:09:16,440 --> 00:09:19,319 Speaker 1: There what's good and low light clover. 220 00:09:19,040 --> 00:09:20,000 Speaker 3: Is always good. 221 00:09:21,280 --> 00:09:24,120 Speaker 2: Chickpeas is something that we do a lot of here 222 00:09:24,160 --> 00:09:26,800 Speaker 2: in the south of these these buck plot food plot 223 00:09:26,840 --> 00:09:30,560 Speaker 2: mixes anything, grasses, any type of protein that they can 224 00:09:30,600 --> 00:09:32,640 Speaker 2: get in the woods and makes it easy access for 225 00:09:32,679 --> 00:09:36,079 Speaker 2: them to come out of their bedding areas and feel safe. 226 00:09:36,240 --> 00:09:39,320 Speaker 1: Obviously, in the Midwest, one hundred and fifty acres isn't 227 00:09:39,320 --> 00:09:41,560 Speaker 1: that much, but in the southeast. 228 00:09:41,240 --> 00:09:44,439 Speaker 2: Man, in this area, one hundred and fifty acres, that's 229 00:09:44,480 --> 00:09:44,840 Speaker 2: a lot. 230 00:09:44,960 --> 00:09:46,840 Speaker 3: It is, it is, it absolutely is. 231 00:09:46,880 --> 00:09:49,000 Speaker 2: There's a lot of I know people that are buying 232 00:09:49,040 --> 00:09:51,920 Speaker 2: thirty and forty acre tracks and having tons of success 233 00:09:51,960 --> 00:09:54,440 Speaker 2: on them, and then they're turning around, they're taking those 234 00:09:54,480 --> 00:09:57,160 Speaker 2: and flipping them and making almost double what they paid 235 00:09:57,160 --> 00:09:59,720 Speaker 2: for it, and then evolving into that one hundred to 236 00:10:00,000 --> 00:10:01,080 Speaker 2: two acre track. 237 00:10:01,200 --> 00:10:04,160 Speaker 1: What's the difference between a thirty and forty acre being 238 00:10:04,200 --> 00:10:06,480 Speaker 1: productive compared to a one fifty or two. 239 00:10:06,920 --> 00:10:10,240 Speaker 2: The biggest thing you've got to look at is your neighbors. 240 00:10:10,880 --> 00:10:13,520 Speaker 2: You have to look at your surrounding landowners. What are 241 00:10:13,520 --> 00:10:16,120 Speaker 2: they doing and they're on their property? Is it a 242 00:10:16,160 --> 00:10:19,400 Speaker 2: neighborhood Is it somebody else that's hunting. Are they just 243 00:10:19,600 --> 00:10:22,560 Speaker 2: shooting everything that walks? Are they managing their property for 244 00:10:22,679 --> 00:10:26,000 Speaker 2: quality deer? Are they doing food plots? Are you the 245 00:10:26,040 --> 00:10:28,000 Speaker 2: only person that's doing food plots? You have all the 246 00:10:28,000 --> 00:10:31,520 Speaker 2: animals on your property from all the surrounding neighbors. 247 00:10:31,559 --> 00:10:33,679 Speaker 1: You probably need to take that thirty acres and make 248 00:10:33,679 --> 00:10:34,480 Speaker 1: it a source of food. 249 00:10:34,559 --> 00:10:38,360 Speaker 2: Absolutely, and you will pull every animal from those surrounding parcels. 250 00:10:38,440 --> 00:10:41,359 Speaker 2: Clearing and most of that stuff is done in the springtime, 251 00:10:41,520 --> 00:10:44,640 Speaker 2: right at the tail end of turkey season, or if 252 00:10:45,080 --> 00:10:47,560 Speaker 2: you're turkey hunting, if you're just using it for deer hunting, 253 00:10:47,559 --> 00:10:49,400 Speaker 2: as there's deer seasons over the first of the year, 254 00:10:49,720 --> 00:10:54,280 Speaker 2: when everything's not growing and everything's brown, that's the time 255 00:10:54,320 --> 00:10:55,920 Speaker 2: to go in and clear brown it's down. 256 00:10:56,040 --> 00:10:56,320 Speaker 3: That's it. 257 00:10:56,360 --> 00:10:58,080 Speaker 2: Well, you don't have to worry, You don't have to 258 00:10:58,120 --> 00:11:03,160 Speaker 2: worry about snakes. All that other stuff is yeah, the spring, 259 00:11:03,200 --> 00:11:05,040 Speaker 2: in the summer, that stuff's tough on you. 260 00:11:04,960 --> 00:11:06,480 Speaker 1: Because if you get up in a tree and you've 261 00:11:06,520 --> 00:11:09,000 Speaker 1: got plason ivy in there, it's gonna be really difficult. 262 00:11:09,040 --> 00:11:11,840 Speaker 1: I mean, how do you handle picking a good spot, 263 00:11:12,120 --> 00:11:14,040 Speaker 1: like say in Georgia where you have a lot of 264 00:11:14,080 --> 00:11:16,240 Speaker 1: pines and they're not stable trees. 265 00:11:16,559 --> 00:11:19,120 Speaker 2: Shooting lanes is the biggest thing. You gotta be able 266 00:11:19,160 --> 00:11:21,400 Speaker 2: to get somewhere where you can shoot. If I'm gonna 267 00:11:21,400 --> 00:11:23,280 Speaker 2: hang a tree stand, I'm gonna try to find a 268 00:11:23,320 --> 00:11:26,040 Speaker 2: hardwood tree just for the simple fact of how much 269 00:11:26,040 --> 00:11:28,920 Speaker 2: a pine tree sways in the wind. Or it's gonna 270 00:11:28,960 --> 00:11:30,920 Speaker 2: have to be I mean as big around as I 271 00:11:30,960 --> 00:11:33,920 Speaker 2: can put my arms around at the base, because if 272 00:11:33,920 --> 00:11:36,560 Speaker 2: you get twenty thirty foot up in a tree and 273 00:11:36,600 --> 00:11:39,000 Speaker 2: that thing the wind starts blowing, you're swaying at the top. 274 00:11:39,120 --> 00:11:40,240 Speaker 3: That's a little unnerving. 275 00:11:40,720 --> 00:11:43,440 Speaker 1: We were talking to Chris Jansen not too long ago, 276 00:11:43,440 --> 00:11:46,240 Speaker 1: and we were talking about tree stands, and he actually 277 00:11:46,280 --> 00:11:48,760 Speaker 1: said that he was going through just like anything else 278 00:11:48,800 --> 00:11:51,400 Speaker 1: from when we were all kids. And he's picking the 279 00:11:51,440 --> 00:11:53,200 Speaker 1: tree that he wanted to hunt out of, and he 280 00:11:53,240 --> 00:11:54,960 Speaker 1: goes up to it and he does the knock test, 281 00:11:55,000 --> 00:11:57,280 Speaker 1: which is such a dumb test, you know what, Like 282 00:11:57,360 --> 00:12:00,000 Speaker 1: everybody knows that. He goes up and he knocks out, 283 00:12:00,160 --> 00:12:02,960 Speaker 1: and he's like, you know this, this tree seems good. 284 00:12:03,640 --> 00:12:06,360 Speaker 1: So he climbs up. He's about twenty twenty five feet 285 00:12:06,440 --> 00:12:09,319 Speaker 1: up and he said that tree snapped on him. 286 00:12:09,440 --> 00:12:10,480 Speaker 3: Oh my god. 287 00:12:10,559 --> 00:12:12,319 Speaker 1: And he came back down, he checked the tree. The 288 00:12:12,360 --> 00:12:15,800 Speaker 1: tree was fine. It just was a freak accident. That 289 00:12:15,960 --> 00:12:18,040 Speaker 1: was the tree that was going to go down. He 290 00:12:18,160 --> 00:12:19,240 Speaker 1: was lucky to have a harness. 291 00:12:19,440 --> 00:12:20,400 Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely. 292 00:12:20,520 --> 00:12:23,839 Speaker 1: I mean, now, I from a time when I was 293 00:12:23,880 --> 00:12:26,840 Speaker 1: a kid and being able to hunt in some plywood 294 00:12:26,880 --> 00:12:30,240 Speaker 1: deer stands. Oh yeah, you know you take two. Yeah, 295 00:12:30,920 --> 00:12:33,480 Speaker 1: and now you won't see me going to a tree 296 00:12:33,520 --> 00:12:36,320 Speaker 1: unless I got harness exactly. And I mean they've they've 297 00:12:36,400 --> 00:12:38,240 Speaker 1: really changed and saved a ton. 298 00:12:38,520 --> 00:12:39,880 Speaker 3: Oh, they absolutely have. 299 00:12:39,960 --> 00:12:43,000 Speaker 2: Well, the technology in the stands in general, whether it 300 00:12:43,080 --> 00:12:45,640 Speaker 2: be a lock on ladder, all of these technolo. I 301 00:12:45,679 --> 00:12:48,080 Speaker 2: mean they've got these big box stands. Now, that's like 302 00:12:48,400 --> 00:12:51,000 Speaker 2: it's like staying in a small hotel room some of these, 303 00:12:51,080 --> 00:12:53,920 Speaker 2: I mean it's ridiculous. But they got the sliding windows 304 00:12:54,000 --> 00:12:56,600 Speaker 2: with that don't make a sound. 305 00:12:56,800 --> 00:12:57,800 Speaker 3: Yeah exactly. 306 00:12:58,280 --> 00:13:01,480 Speaker 1: You can have one of those big office chairs roll 307 00:13:01,520 --> 00:13:04,200 Speaker 1: around not even worry about it. It is like riding in 308 00:13:04,240 --> 00:13:06,320 Speaker 1: a Cadillac ya when you're that's for sure. 309 00:13:06,400 --> 00:13:08,320 Speaker 2: And you know that's kind of a that's kind of 310 00:13:08,360 --> 00:13:12,520 Speaker 2: a Texas or in the South thing because again you're 311 00:13:12,559 --> 00:13:15,240 Speaker 2: not bow hunting out of those. Majority of the time, 312 00:13:15,720 --> 00:13:19,120 Speaker 2: you've got those sitting over big either power lines or 313 00:13:19,360 --> 00:13:22,040 Speaker 2: big food plots where you're gonna shoot a rifle over 314 00:13:22,080 --> 00:13:22,720 Speaker 2: one hundred. 315 00:13:22,559 --> 00:13:25,240 Speaker 1: Yard best quality white tail. What states are at top 316 00:13:25,280 --> 00:13:25,600 Speaker 1: of your. 317 00:13:25,520 --> 00:13:28,480 Speaker 2: Lest You're definitely going Midwest for sure for the simple 318 00:13:28,720 --> 00:13:37,280 Speaker 2: fact of the amount of food and agriculture in that area. Illinois, Iowa, Indiana, 319 00:13:37,880 --> 00:13:42,200 Speaker 2: Southern Minnesota, Missouri, Oklahoma's got big deer. 320 00:13:42,240 --> 00:13:46,120 Speaker 1: Two what is it about southern Minnesota. 321 00:13:46,480 --> 00:13:50,120 Speaker 2: Southern Minnesota is sneaky. Now there's there's still a ton 322 00:13:50,280 --> 00:13:54,760 Speaker 2: of agriculture in southern Minnesota right there. And then you've 323 00:13:54,840 --> 00:13:57,640 Speaker 2: got the biggest thing is the food source. They've got 324 00:13:57,679 --> 00:14:03,120 Speaker 2: so much access to food and protein to where they 325 00:14:03,120 --> 00:14:05,200 Speaker 2: can grow just as bout as big as they want to. 326 00:14:05,360 --> 00:14:08,200 Speaker 1: But even with food and protein like in Georgia, you 327 00:14:08,240 --> 00:14:11,400 Speaker 1: don't have the big agg stuff like you do out 328 00:14:11,440 --> 00:14:13,920 Speaker 1: in the Midwest. So do you have to get creative 329 00:14:14,080 --> 00:14:17,520 Speaker 1: like protein blocks or putting out corn. And I know 330 00:14:17,559 --> 00:14:19,840 Speaker 1: one of the big drawbacks to corn is that you 331 00:14:19,880 --> 00:14:22,640 Speaker 1: feel like you're feeding all the other animals. It doesn't 332 00:14:22,640 --> 00:14:23,680 Speaker 1: really help their wou. 333 00:14:23,840 --> 00:14:26,480 Speaker 2: And especially if you get making in South that you 334 00:14:26,560 --> 00:14:29,880 Speaker 2: run into hogs and then you've got a pretty strong 335 00:14:29,920 --> 00:14:31,920 Speaker 2: population of bears in North Georgia. A lot of people 336 00:14:32,000 --> 00:14:35,600 Speaker 2: don't realize, but I know there's some guys in I 337 00:14:35,640 --> 00:14:39,000 Speaker 2: think it's in either Bartow or Gordon County. They shot 338 00:14:39,200 --> 00:14:40,440 Speaker 2: this has been a couple of years ago. They shot 339 00:14:40,480 --> 00:14:41,920 Speaker 2: a four hundred and fifty pound by that bear. 340 00:14:42,280 --> 00:14:46,320 Speaker 1: Are you serious? Monster? Can you imagine just packing that 341 00:14:46,360 --> 00:14:46,760 Speaker 1: thing out? 342 00:14:46,880 --> 00:14:49,000 Speaker 2: Could you imagine walking through the woods and walking up 343 00:14:49,040 --> 00:14:52,320 Speaker 2: on them? No? 344 00:14:52,720 --> 00:14:53,320 Speaker 3: Thank you. 345 00:14:54,120 --> 00:14:57,280 Speaker 1: Cal Hardy is joining me. He's with white tail properties. 346 00:14:57,640 --> 00:14:59,960 Speaker 1: We've covered a lot so far. I mean we've covered 347 00:15:00,280 --> 00:15:03,200 Speaker 1: you as a hunter. We've talked about wing shooting. We've 348 00:15:03,240 --> 00:15:05,880 Speaker 1: even covered you having a dog and trying to train 349 00:15:06,000 --> 00:15:08,920 Speaker 1: your dog. What's your end result when it comes to hunting? 350 00:15:08,960 --> 00:15:11,080 Speaker 1: Are you an Africa guy? Do you want to travel 351 00:15:11,120 --> 00:15:13,560 Speaker 1: to the New Zealand and go for red stag or 352 00:15:13,600 --> 00:15:14,880 Speaker 1: do you like to stay domestic? 353 00:15:15,280 --> 00:15:18,560 Speaker 2: So my biggest goal on my list right now, I'm 354 00:15:18,560 --> 00:15:22,760 Speaker 2: trying to harvest all forty one North American waterfowl species. 355 00:15:23,120 --> 00:15:25,800 Speaker 2: I'm really and I'm over halfway. I'm at I think 356 00:15:25,920 --> 00:15:28,600 Speaker 2: twenty eight. I'll have to go to Alaska at some 357 00:15:28,760 --> 00:15:33,200 Speaker 2: point and to shoot a king either, but I haven't 358 00:15:33,200 --> 00:15:35,560 Speaker 2: made that trip yet. I'll go to Washington State this 359 00:15:35,720 --> 00:15:38,840 Speaker 2: year and probably check three or four birds off my list. 360 00:15:39,280 --> 00:15:40,880 Speaker 1: Which ones are you looking for out there? 361 00:15:41,520 --> 00:15:45,920 Speaker 2: Harlequin, both, GoldenEye, possibly some sea ducks. 362 00:15:46,280 --> 00:15:48,120 Speaker 1: Yeah, you got to go. I mean the coast is 363 00:15:48,160 --> 00:15:49,960 Speaker 1: obviously where you got to get your sea ducks. 364 00:15:50,040 --> 00:15:51,960 Speaker 2: The big thing, the big one that we're going for 365 00:15:52,440 --> 00:15:54,880 Speaker 2: is the harlequin and the Golden Eye. 366 00:15:55,280 --> 00:15:57,040 Speaker 1: Out of the ducks that you have the twenty eight, 367 00:15:57,840 --> 00:15:59,280 Speaker 1: what's your favorite. 368 00:15:59,040 --> 00:15:59,840 Speaker 3: Favorite to eat? 369 00:16:00,160 --> 00:16:04,600 Speaker 2: There's I'm either gonna go any teal species or a 370 00:16:04,640 --> 00:16:05,200 Speaker 2: wood duck. 371 00:16:05,760 --> 00:16:07,040 Speaker 3: But wood duck so. 372 00:16:07,000 --> 00:16:07,840 Speaker 1: The smaller variety. 373 00:16:08,000 --> 00:16:09,400 Speaker 3: Yeah, you like them as. 374 00:16:09,280 --> 00:16:14,240 Speaker 2: A popper, So I filly I pluck the breast, leave 375 00:16:14,320 --> 00:16:18,000 Speaker 2: the skin on one side, and then filly it off. 376 00:16:18,000 --> 00:16:21,280 Speaker 2: We've done tacos, I've done I've cooked them as just 377 00:16:21,360 --> 00:16:29,240 Speaker 2: basically little small steaks, poppers, We've fried them, done, gumbo, everything. 378 00:16:29,400 --> 00:16:31,720 Speaker 1: Yeah, a lot of guys don't realize that plucking the 379 00:16:31,760 --> 00:16:35,160 Speaker 1: bird and leaving the skin on it making it's all 380 00:16:35,200 --> 00:16:37,920 Speaker 1: the difference in the world. You take all the flavor 381 00:16:37,960 --> 00:16:40,760 Speaker 1: out when you take that sk absolutely okay. So that's 382 00:16:40,800 --> 00:16:43,200 Speaker 1: your favorite. You like the green wing teals, the blue 383 00:16:43,200 --> 00:16:46,640 Speaker 1: wings of the wood ducks, the small duck variety favorite 384 00:16:46,640 --> 00:16:47,400 Speaker 1: to look at? 385 00:16:48,480 --> 00:16:51,920 Speaker 2: Oh, well, you know you obviously, the mallard is the 386 00:16:52,000 --> 00:16:52,480 Speaker 2: king of them. 387 00:16:52,640 --> 00:16:52,960 Speaker 3: That's what. 388 00:16:53,080 --> 00:16:55,880 Speaker 2: When everybody thinks of a duck, they think of a greenhead, don't. 389 00:16:55,920 --> 00:16:58,800 Speaker 1: I don't care to look at mallards. I'm a pintail guy. 390 00:16:59,000 --> 00:17:00,200 Speaker 3: Pintails I'm all for. 391 00:17:00,600 --> 00:17:02,480 Speaker 2: Probably one of my favorite is a widgeon. 392 00:17:02,880 --> 00:17:03,600 Speaker 3: I'm biased. 393 00:17:03,680 --> 00:17:05,639 Speaker 2: We hunt beaver swamps down here all the time. If 394 00:17:05,680 --> 00:17:07,960 Speaker 2: you see a wood duck sitting on the water when 395 00:17:08,000 --> 00:17:11,040 Speaker 2: he's just fully covered out and he's just sitting around, 396 00:17:11,720 --> 00:17:16,240 Speaker 2: bullet all up. Yeah, man, it's one of the most 397 00:17:16,280 --> 00:17:19,000 Speaker 2: beautiful ducks in the world in my opinion. 398 00:17:19,320 --> 00:17:23,200 Speaker 1: The amount of species that people don't realize exists. 399 00:17:22,920 --> 00:17:24,840 Speaker 3: In this world, Oh my gosh. Yeah. 400 00:17:24,880 --> 00:17:26,680 Speaker 1: I was on TikTok the other day and this guy 401 00:17:26,720 --> 00:17:30,679 Speaker 1: had posted a video and he made a pun and 402 00:17:30,720 --> 00:17:32,879 Speaker 1: he was like, the buck stops here, and he just 403 00:17:32,880 --> 00:17:36,280 Speaker 1: started laughing, and all the comments that came in people 404 00:17:36,280 --> 00:17:38,960 Speaker 1: were like, that's not a buck, that's an elk. 405 00:17:39,680 --> 00:17:40,680 Speaker 3: Yeah, and he's. 406 00:17:40,520 --> 00:17:43,199 Speaker 1: Like, what are you talking about? Like, the real debate 407 00:17:43,240 --> 00:17:45,160 Speaker 1: of is it an ellicat or is it a deer? 408 00:17:45,320 --> 00:17:49,199 Speaker 1: And wildlife biologists are like, no, man, that's that's an elk. Like, 409 00:17:49,240 --> 00:17:51,800 Speaker 1: we get your joke. It's a funny joke. Yeah, exactly, 410 00:17:51,640 --> 00:17:54,720 Speaker 1: but that's an elk. People will see different animals and 411 00:17:54,760 --> 00:17:56,199 Speaker 1: they will have no idea what they are. 412 00:17:56,359 --> 00:17:59,359 Speaker 2: Hunters are the biggest conservationists in the world. All of 413 00:17:59,400 --> 00:18:02,679 Speaker 2: our money that we spend in the hunting industry is 414 00:18:02,720 --> 00:18:05,199 Speaker 2: what funds the hunting industry. We don't get any funding 415 00:18:05,200 --> 00:18:07,720 Speaker 2: from the outside. All the money that we spend on 416 00:18:07,840 --> 00:18:10,320 Speaker 2: licenses goes to pay game warden all these. 417 00:18:10,160 --> 00:18:12,800 Speaker 1: Federal in the land protection. 418 00:18:13,000 --> 00:18:14,120 Speaker 3: Yeah. Absolutely. 419 00:18:14,600 --> 00:18:17,600 Speaker 1: The craziest thing is the amount of money it takes 420 00:18:17,680 --> 00:18:21,520 Speaker 1: to give animals protected land for them to be on. Now, 421 00:18:21,720 --> 00:18:24,720 Speaker 1: sure do hunters benefit from being able to have places 422 00:18:24,760 --> 00:18:27,720 Speaker 1: to go, Yeah, but we've already talked about your success 423 00:18:27,840 --> 00:18:30,720 Speaker 1: ratio of getting an animal every time you hunt is 424 00:18:30,880 --> 00:18:34,200 Speaker 1: very low, and you can only go on how many 425 00:18:34,240 --> 00:18:37,720 Speaker 1: tags you have anyway, exactly, and it's not and. 426 00:18:37,680 --> 00:18:40,280 Speaker 2: You've got seasoned dates you've got to buy it. It's 427 00:18:40,280 --> 00:18:42,879 Speaker 2: not like you're hunting these animals all year round. A 428 00:18:42,880 --> 00:18:46,160 Speaker 2: lot of these people they feed these animals and keep 429 00:18:46,200 --> 00:18:49,320 Speaker 2: them alive so they can have them on their property. 430 00:18:49,400 --> 00:18:51,560 Speaker 2: Obviously they want to harvest some of them. 431 00:18:51,400 --> 00:18:53,760 Speaker 1: Which harvesting is also good for the population. 432 00:18:53,920 --> 00:18:56,359 Speaker 3: It is, it is. There's got to be a population balance. 433 00:18:56,400 --> 00:19:00,840 Speaker 2: You can't have an overwhelming number of female animals to animals. 434 00:19:01,160 --> 00:19:03,800 Speaker 2: There's got to be that balance, and there's a carrying 435 00:19:03,800 --> 00:19:07,439 Speaker 2: capacity for a certain acreage of land or area of 436 00:19:07,520 --> 00:19:10,240 Speaker 2: land that it can only handle so many animals in 437 00:19:10,240 --> 00:19:13,280 Speaker 2: one area before they just absolutely just ravage it and 438 00:19:13,320 --> 00:19:14,880 Speaker 2: eat everything under the sun. 439 00:19:15,040 --> 00:19:16,760 Speaker 1: And this is where people freak out a little bit 440 00:19:16,800 --> 00:19:19,960 Speaker 1: about the animals. But the older the animal, the more 441 00:19:20,040 --> 00:19:24,239 Speaker 1: nutrients they end up taking from the growing population. So, 442 00:19:24,600 --> 00:19:29,320 Speaker 1: while it seems crazy, you do target the older animals 443 00:19:29,359 --> 00:19:32,240 Speaker 1: of the species. That way you can allow the younger 444 00:19:32,280 --> 00:19:36,000 Speaker 1: ones to grow up with plenty of nutrients and plenty 445 00:19:36,040 --> 00:19:39,919 Speaker 1: of time, because animals stop reproducing after certain ages and 446 00:19:39,960 --> 00:19:42,879 Speaker 1: then they're just taking from the others within the population. 447 00:19:43,440 --> 00:19:46,000 Speaker 1: But that also goes to the land management. When somebody 448 00:19:46,000 --> 00:19:48,400 Speaker 1: buys a piece of property, you should do an animal 449 00:19:48,440 --> 00:19:50,960 Speaker 1: survey to kind of understand what animals. 450 00:19:50,560 --> 00:19:51,720 Speaker 3: You have on here exactly. 451 00:19:51,800 --> 00:19:53,680 Speaker 1: And you may think, like my one hundred and fifty 452 00:19:53,680 --> 00:19:56,040 Speaker 1: acres or two hundred acres is not holding a lot 453 00:19:56,040 --> 00:19:58,399 Speaker 1: of deer. Well, what are some things you can do 454 00:19:58,440 --> 00:20:01,800 Speaker 1: to hold them? And if you aren't holding deer the 455 00:20:01,800 --> 00:20:04,760 Speaker 1: ones that pass through, what are you seeing? Game? Cameras 456 00:20:04,880 --> 00:20:05,840 Speaker 1: is another big reason. 457 00:20:05,880 --> 00:20:09,680 Speaker 2: Oh, then the advancement in that with the cellular cameras, 458 00:20:09,720 --> 00:20:12,639 Speaker 2: you don't have to go in and disrupt anything. And 459 00:20:12,680 --> 00:20:14,960 Speaker 2: they've got them where you can settle up with solar panels. 460 00:20:15,000 --> 00:20:16,680 Speaker 3: You don't have to go in and change the batteries. 461 00:20:17,200 --> 00:20:20,240 Speaker 2: You can have those cameras there all year round and 462 00:20:20,280 --> 00:20:23,040 Speaker 2: when something walks by and triggers it, it'll send it 463 00:20:23,080 --> 00:20:25,520 Speaker 2: straight to your phone, and you know what's going on, 464 00:20:25,560 --> 00:20:29,000 Speaker 2: what time of day, it'll tell you the temperature, everything. 465 00:20:29,359 --> 00:20:31,640 Speaker 1: Do you find a lot of guys now aren't down 466 00:20:31,720 --> 00:20:33,879 Speaker 1: with the cell cameras. They still like the old school. 467 00:20:34,240 --> 00:20:36,920 Speaker 2: There are some for the simple fact of how much 468 00:20:36,960 --> 00:20:37,440 Speaker 2: they cost. 469 00:20:37,800 --> 00:20:43,000 Speaker 1: Not disrupting the wildlife is crucial, YEP to keeping your 470 00:20:43,000 --> 00:20:44,000 Speaker 1: population strong. 471 00:20:44,160 --> 00:20:44,479 Speaker 3: It is. 472 00:20:44,600 --> 00:20:47,240 Speaker 2: And if you've got one big book that you're hunting 473 00:20:47,720 --> 00:20:50,320 Speaker 2: and you start getting him on camera on clockwork, you 474 00:20:50,320 --> 00:20:51,719 Speaker 2: don't have to go in there and mess with him, 475 00:20:51,760 --> 00:20:52,640 Speaker 2: and you know where. 476 00:20:52,480 --> 00:20:55,720 Speaker 1: He is once you start patterning a deer. Oh yeah, 477 00:20:55,840 --> 00:20:57,400 Speaker 1: I mean that's everything it is. 478 00:20:57,920 --> 00:20:58,480 Speaker 3: And I'll just. 479 00:20:58,520 --> 00:21:01,680 Speaker 2: I'll plug one of our Affila brands. We were affiliated 480 00:21:01,720 --> 00:21:04,840 Speaker 2: with the Verraconics, and they're expensive cameras, but they make 481 00:21:04,840 --> 00:21:06,199 Speaker 2: one of the best cameras on the market. 482 00:21:06,800 --> 00:21:10,320 Speaker 1: What's so good about them is that the picture quality you. 483 00:21:10,320 --> 00:21:14,159 Speaker 2: Have, video, you've got sound, their weather proof. I've sunk 484 00:21:14,200 --> 00:21:17,000 Speaker 2: one in a I had one over a duck hole 485 00:21:17,040 --> 00:21:20,959 Speaker 2: in a little pond and the water got up and 486 00:21:21,000 --> 00:21:23,679 Speaker 2: flooded it. And when I was getting pictures underwater and 487 00:21:23,680 --> 00:21:25,760 Speaker 2: when the water came back now it's still worked. 488 00:21:27,000 --> 00:21:28,680 Speaker 1: You're like, I'm not seeing many ducks, but man, we 489 00:21:28,760 --> 00:21:31,639 Speaker 1: got some largemouth fastest. That's a cal Hardy has been 490 00:21:31,720 --> 00:21:34,600 Speaker 1: joining me of white tail properties on lines and times. 491 00:21:34,640 --> 00:21:37,000 Speaker 1: We've covered a lot. I mean, we've talked about how 492 00:21:37,000 --> 00:21:40,359 Speaker 1: to lay out your property from your small properties thirty 493 00:21:40,520 --> 00:21:42,560 Speaker 1: forty acres all the way up to some of your 494 00:21:42,560 --> 00:21:45,760 Speaker 1: bigger properties, especially here in the Southeast. 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