1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:04,680 Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is 2 00:00:04,760 --> 00:00:09,080 Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or 3 00:00:09,200 --> 00:00:12,079 Speaker 1: learn the stuff they don't want you to know. A 4 00:00:12,200 --> 00:00:25,479 Speaker 1: production of I Heart Radio. Hello, welcome back to the show. 5 00:00:25,560 --> 00:00:28,040 Speaker 1: My name is Matt, my name is Nol. They called 6 00:00:28,080 --> 00:00:31,040 Speaker 1: me Ben. We're joined as always with our super producer 7 00:00:31,080 --> 00:00:34,839 Speaker 1: Alexis codename Doc Holiday Jackson. Most importantly, you are you. 8 00:00:35,200 --> 00:00:38,080 Speaker 1: You are here, and that makes this the stuff they 9 00:00:38,159 --> 00:00:41,040 Speaker 1: don't want you to know. It is the top of 10 00:00:41,120 --> 00:00:45,280 Speaker 1: the week, which means it is time for some strange news. 11 00:00:45,760 --> 00:00:48,760 Speaker 1: As always, want to thank all of our fellow conspiracy 12 00:00:48,800 --> 00:00:53,600 Speaker 1: realist who contacted us on Twitter or Facebook or Instagram, 13 00:00:53,720 --> 00:00:57,840 Speaker 1: or sent an email, left of voice message, set our 14 00:00:57,920 --> 00:01:03,520 Speaker 1: name at Crossroads midnight, or somehow otherwise summoned and contacted us. 15 00:01:04,000 --> 00:01:08,520 Speaker 1: As we are recording this, the US and the world 16 00:01:08,959 --> 00:01:14,800 Speaker 1: is paying close attention to the tremendously controversial bill just 17 00:01:15,000 --> 00:01:19,200 Speaker 1: pasted in Texas, which may provide a precedent for similar 18 00:01:19,319 --> 00:01:23,039 Speaker 1: legislation in other parts of the country. We're going to 19 00:01:23,080 --> 00:01:27,199 Speaker 1: also explore the Satanic Temple. We're also just a few 20 00:01:27,400 --> 00:01:32,080 Speaker 1: days away from the anniversary of the World Trade Center 21 00:01:32,160 --> 00:01:36,000 Speaker 1: attack and the Pentagon attack on September eleven, two thousand 22 00:01:36,200 --> 00:01:40,640 Speaker 1: and one. In fact, so many things are happening that 23 00:01:40,680 --> 00:01:45,679 Speaker 1: there are literally countries being overthrown as you hear this 24 00:01:46,000 --> 00:01:49,680 Speaker 1: known not Afghanistan. There are countries being overthrown and they're 25 00:01:49,720 --> 00:01:53,320 Speaker 1: not quite making the news. That's the reality in which 26 00:01:53,480 --> 00:01:58,200 Speaker 1: we live today. So maybe we start in the US 27 00:01:58,320 --> 00:02:02,000 Speaker 1: and we traveled to Texas. You know, a lot of 28 00:02:02,040 --> 00:02:06,240 Speaker 1: people would initially ask what does the Satanic Temple have 29 00:02:06,360 --> 00:02:09,040 Speaker 1: to do with the Little Star State. Well, I am 30 00:02:09,200 --> 00:02:12,160 Speaker 1: glad all of those people asked that question because I 31 00:02:12,200 --> 00:02:16,680 Speaker 1: have an answer. UM. The Satanic Temple was recently recognized 32 00:02:16,760 --> 00:02:21,760 Speaker 1: as a religion UM by the United States government, so 33 00:02:21,800 --> 00:02:24,639 Speaker 1: it does have tax exempt status and along with that, 34 00:02:24,960 --> 00:02:28,120 Speaker 1: like other religions, there are certain dispensations that go along 35 00:02:28,160 --> 00:02:31,160 Speaker 1: with being recognized formally in this way, where maybe some 36 00:02:31,240 --> 00:02:35,560 Speaker 1: things that are maybe illegal you know, uh for one group, 37 00:02:35,880 --> 00:02:40,919 Speaker 1: isn't necessarily illegal for another UM if it is claimed 38 00:02:40,960 --> 00:02:45,359 Speaker 1: to be part of a religious ceremony. For example, there 39 00:02:45,360 --> 00:02:50,720 Speaker 1: are certain First Nations UM rights that involved taking psychedelics 40 00:02:51,120 --> 00:02:54,160 Speaker 1: and because this is recognized as being part of their 41 00:02:54,280 --> 00:02:58,040 Speaker 1: religion and their freedom of religion, it is not illegal 42 00:02:58,080 --> 00:03:00,880 Speaker 1: when done under the supervision of a shaman, like in 43 00:03:00,919 --> 00:03:05,760 Speaker 1: these certain kinds of scenarios. Similarly, the Satanic Exemple, which 44 00:03:05,840 --> 00:03:09,240 Speaker 1: by the way, it does not practice devil worship uh 45 00:03:09,280 --> 00:03:11,720 Speaker 1: it is it uses much like the Church of Satan 46 00:03:11,960 --> 00:03:16,080 Speaker 1: founded by Anton LaVey, the symbol of Satan and Lucifer 47 00:03:16,440 --> 00:03:21,480 Speaker 1: as one of protests, one of putting personal liberties and 48 00:03:21,560 --> 00:03:28,200 Speaker 1: freedoms above all else. Essentially not at all, cents um 49 00:03:28,280 --> 00:03:31,400 Speaker 1: and and just for a little quick background on on 50 00:03:31,440 --> 00:03:35,200 Speaker 1: what their principles are, it's very straightforward. They hold seven 51 00:03:35,240 --> 00:03:39,200 Speaker 1: fundamental tenants that they live by, and the first one 52 00:03:39,280 --> 00:03:42,040 Speaker 1: is one should strive to act with compassion and empathy 53 00:03:42,080 --> 00:03:45,280 Speaker 1: towards all creatures in accordance with reason, uh to. The 54 00:03:45,280 --> 00:03:48,280 Speaker 1: struggle for justice is an ongoing and necessary pursuit. They 55 00:03:48,320 --> 00:03:52,520 Speaker 1: should prevail over laws and institutions. Three, and this is 56 00:03:52,640 --> 00:03:57,760 Speaker 1: very key to today's conversation. One's body is inviolable, subject 57 00:03:57,840 --> 00:04:02,280 Speaker 1: to one's own will alone, for the freedoms of others 58 00:04:02,320 --> 00:04:06,000 Speaker 1: should be respected, including the freedom to offend to willfully 59 00:04:06,000 --> 00:04:08,760 Speaker 1: and unjustly encroached upon the freedoms of another. Is to 60 00:04:08,880 --> 00:04:12,920 Speaker 1: forego one's own. Five beliefs should conform to one's best 61 00:04:12,960 --> 00:04:16,480 Speaker 1: scientific understanding of the world. One should take care never 62 00:04:16,520 --> 00:04:20,320 Speaker 1: to distort scientific facts to fit one's belief um. Six 63 00:04:20,440 --> 00:04:24,040 Speaker 1: people are fallible. If one makes a mistake, one should 64 00:04:24,040 --> 00:04:26,760 Speaker 1: do one's best to rectify and resolve any harm that 65 00:04:26,880 --> 00:04:30,280 Speaker 1: might have been caused. And seven Every tenant is a 66 00:04:30,320 --> 00:04:33,799 Speaker 1: guiding principle designed to inspire nobility and action and thought. 67 00:04:34,080 --> 00:04:37,680 Speaker 1: The spirit of compassion, wisdom, and justice should always prevail 68 00:04:37,920 --> 00:04:41,479 Speaker 1: over the written or spoken word. These all sound great, 69 00:04:42,400 --> 00:04:46,080 Speaker 1: uh to me, I see no fault. I see nothing 70 00:04:46,360 --> 00:04:50,440 Speaker 1: wrong with any of these. I'm not joking, borderline considering 71 00:04:50,440 --> 00:04:53,840 Speaker 1: looking into becoming a member of the Satanic Temple um 72 00:04:53,920 --> 00:04:56,880 Speaker 1: because they they they're always doing kind of sort of 73 00:04:56,960 --> 00:05:01,040 Speaker 1: I pokey things to institutions, as you could probably guess 74 00:05:01,040 --> 00:05:04,640 Speaker 1: from those um those tenants. And they actually had a 75 00:05:04,760 --> 00:05:09,279 Speaker 1: statue of Batha met erected on the Arkansas Capital, on 76 00:05:09,320 --> 00:05:12,800 Speaker 1: the property of the Arkansas State Capital, with two children 77 00:05:13,279 --> 00:05:16,799 Speaker 1: quizzically gazing up into his goat face and he's holding 78 00:05:16,880 --> 00:05:19,280 Speaker 1: up two fingers sort of like a similar with two 79 00:05:19,279 --> 00:05:22,120 Speaker 1: fingers up and then two fingers down, similar to what 80 00:05:22,200 --> 00:05:25,640 Speaker 1: you would see in images of Christ and the Apostles. Uh. 81 00:05:25,640 --> 00:05:29,560 Speaker 1: And this was in response to the Ten Commandments being 82 00:05:29,600 --> 00:05:33,240 Speaker 1: installed there in seen. So they're constantly kind of trying 83 00:05:33,240 --> 00:05:37,080 Speaker 1: to call people on their you know, bolt and um 84 00:05:37,200 --> 00:05:41,159 Speaker 1: acting as a force for social justice and change. And 85 00:05:41,160 --> 00:05:44,760 Speaker 1: that isactly what they're doing today. Um. This bill that 86 00:05:44,839 --> 00:05:48,240 Speaker 1: was just passed, a law those passed in Texas outlaws 87 00:05:48,320 --> 00:05:53,880 Speaker 1: essentially abortions, abortion drugs, abortion procedures, um, any any kind 88 00:05:53,880 --> 00:05:56,719 Speaker 1: of abortion past six weeks. And that is at the 89 00:05:56,720 --> 00:05:59,400 Speaker 1: phase where you can just take a pill and be 90 00:05:59,480 --> 00:06:04,040 Speaker 1: done with it. Take these medications. Uh. Not to mention um, 91 00:06:04,160 --> 00:06:07,120 Speaker 1: they're actually kind of taking a sort of snitch on 92 00:06:07,200 --> 00:06:10,479 Speaker 1: your neighbor approach where there's literally a website that has 93 00:06:10,520 --> 00:06:13,640 Speaker 1: been the recipient. That's a pretty amazing Internet trolling. But 94 00:06:13,680 --> 00:06:16,880 Speaker 1: as a website, yeah, of course it was because it 95 00:06:16,960 --> 00:06:21,000 Speaker 1: was probably just getting absolutely um blown up with with 96 00:06:21,400 --> 00:06:25,080 Speaker 1: bad information or like you know, copy pastas of like 97 00:06:25,160 --> 00:06:27,600 Speaker 1: the B movie scripts or like I think I read 98 00:06:27,640 --> 00:06:30,920 Speaker 1: one person was spamming it with Shrek porn. Um. But yeah, 99 00:06:30,920 --> 00:06:34,120 Speaker 1: it was a site designed to rat on anyone that 100 00:06:34,200 --> 00:06:38,520 Speaker 1: you know, to be providing anything assistance or or something 101 00:06:38,520 --> 00:06:41,839 Speaker 1: as simple as just advice, right, And there was even 102 00:06:41,839 --> 00:06:44,040 Speaker 1: something along the lines of like you could sue an 103 00:06:44,120 --> 00:06:47,480 Speaker 1: uber driver for taking someone to get an abortion procedure, 104 00:06:47,480 --> 00:06:49,000 Speaker 1: even if they had no idea that's what they were doing. 105 00:06:49,279 --> 00:06:51,080 Speaker 1: And there's like a bounty on it. It It was like 106 00:06:51,080 --> 00:06:55,599 Speaker 1: a ten thou dollar bounty essentially for each successful report 107 00:06:56,040 --> 00:06:59,800 Speaker 1: or something along those lines. It's an absolute witch hunt. 108 00:06:59,839 --> 00:07:02,280 Speaker 1: And Ben, I believe you were saying off the air, 109 00:07:02,560 --> 00:07:05,360 Speaker 1: there's another state that's looking to adopt a very similar 110 00:07:05,680 --> 00:07:09,760 Speaker 1: structured law. Yeah, the Satanic Temple is getting a lot 111 00:07:09,800 --> 00:07:12,800 Speaker 1: of press because you know the S word, right, even 112 00:07:12,800 --> 00:07:16,280 Speaker 1: though as you outlined it is it could primarily be 113 00:07:16,360 --> 00:07:22,040 Speaker 1: described as a nontheistic human rights organization. Basically it's activism. Uh. 114 00:07:22,080 --> 00:07:25,400 Speaker 1: And I think the tenants you read are things that 115 00:07:25,480 --> 00:07:30,400 Speaker 1: most people can reasonably agree with the danger of laws 116 00:07:30,440 --> 00:07:35,680 Speaker 1: like these. You describe the profit motive there, which is 117 00:07:35,720 --> 00:07:41,480 Speaker 1: inherently corrupt, the profound philosophical problems inherent in that kind 118 00:07:41,520 --> 00:07:44,440 Speaker 1: of law, and one of the equally terrifying problems on 119 00:07:44,480 --> 00:07:47,120 Speaker 1: the horizon is that this law is meant to be 120 00:07:47,240 --> 00:07:51,640 Speaker 1: a framework, It is meant to set a precedent. Missouri 121 00:07:51,800 --> 00:07:56,160 Speaker 1: is considering a law like this and others will follow. 122 00:07:56,240 --> 00:07:58,440 Speaker 1: If you want to read the full text of the law, 123 00:07:58,880 --> 00:08:03,360 Speaker 1: it is t x s B eight Street name the 124 00:08:03,440 --> 00:08:08,600 Speaker 1: quote unquote heartbeat bill. You know, we strive to be 125 00:08:08,720 --> 00:08:12,200 Speaker 1: objective and to bring you the facts of a matter 126 00:08:12,600 --> 00:08:17,840 Speaker 1: in our conversations and explorations together. I I cannot be 127 00:08:17,880 --> 00:08:22,520 Speaker 1: objective about this. This is this is a boring is 128 00:08:22,640 --> 00:08:26,400 Speaker 1: it is an unclean thing to do two innocent people, 129 00:08:26,640 --> 00:08:32,160 Speaker 1: and is disenfranchisement and it is frankly hypocritical if you 130 00:08:32,240 --> 00:08:36,960 Speaker 1: look at what Texas does with four or two children 131 00:08:37,320 --> 00:08:40,760 Speaker 1: after they're born. Well, not not to mention the this 132 00:08:40,880 --> 00:08:43,480 Speaker 1: is also a big part of the country where people 133 00:08:43,480 --> 00:08:45,520 Speaker 1: are making the argument that you can't force me to 134 00:08:45,559 --> 00:08:48,480 Speaker 1: wear a mask, right, you can't force me to wear 135 00:08:48,520 --> 00:08:51,400 Speaker 1: a mask for the benefit of others, you know, like 136 00:08:52,040 --> 00:08:55,840 Speaker 1: who maybe are uncomfortable or are concerned about getting the virus, 137 00:08:55,920 --> 00:09:00,319 Speaker 1: you know, spreading the virus to me. Imposing a law 138 00:09:00,640 --> 00:09:05,840 Speaker 1: that doesn't allow people to exercise their own control over 139 00:09:05,880 --> 00:09:10,080 Speaker 1: their own bodies is counter to what that sentiment is saying. 140 00:09:10,360 --> 00:09:13,000 Speaker 1: They're saying, my body, you shouldn't be able to force 141 00:09:13,120 --> 00:09:15,640 Speaker 1: me to put something on my body or to put 142 00:09:15,640 --> 00:09:18,520 Speaker 1: a vaccine in my body if I don't want to. 143 00:09:19,040 --> 00:09:21,160 Speaker 1: But yet I will tell you, as a woman, you 144 00:09:21,240 --> 00:09:25,560 Speaker 1: cannot put this in your body because of Jesus. You 145 00:09:25,600 --> 00:09:27,520 Speaker 1: know again, I'm not I'm sorry. I have a hard 146 00:09:27,559 --> 00:09:31,120 Speaker 1: time not being a little bit about us. Were the 147 00:09:31,200 --> 00:09:35,240 Speaker 1: actual goals, then why not force all biologically male residents 148 00:09:35,240 --> 00:09:39,280 Speaker 1: of Texas to undergo of va sectomy? Which because because 149 00:09:39,320 --> 00:09:45,960 Speaker 1: that's because it's a patriarchal, gross society, I guess. And 150 00:09:46,240 --> 00:09:49,040 Speaker 1: I don't know, Matt. You know, I see huffing and 151 00:09:49,040 --> 00:09:51,560 Speaker 1: puffing up there, But no, I'm not huffing and puffing. 152 00:09:52,440 --> 00:09:56,320 Speaker 1: I am familiar with the viewpoint and arguments of people 153 00:09:56,320 --> 00:09:59,680 Speaker 1: who would completely disagree with you, guys, because I grew 154 00:09:59,760 --> 00:10:04,080 Speaker 1: up in a place, in an environment where abortion the 155 00:10:04,160 --> 00:10:08,680 Speaker 1: concept was one of the worst things on the planet. Now, 156 00:10:09,480 --> 00:10:13,400 Speaker 1: I held those views before my perspective widened, right, And 157 00:10:13,800 --> 00:10:15,520 Speaker 1: I know there are a lot of people listening right 158 00:10:15,559 --> 00:10:19,760 Speaker 1: now that maybe hold that view. And this is a 159 00:10:20,040 --> 00:10:23,440 Speaker 1: you know, one of those extremely tough things to gain 160 00:10:23,480 --> 00:10:28,000 Speaker 1: any movement on somebody's beliefs. It's tough to move somebody 161 00:10:28,520 --> 00:10:32,120 Speaker 1: across a line here, right if you believe one thing 162 00:10:32,160 --> 00:10:35,520 Speaker 1: about it that's probably what you're going to believe unless 163 00:10:35,559 --> 00:10:40,959 Speaker 1: you can really get experience talking with somebody who has 164 00:10:41,080 --> 00:10:45,319 Speaker 1: a vastly different experience than you, right, and and really like, 165 00:10:45,440 --> 00:10:48,840 Speaker 1: I think it takes a a one to one, heart 166 00:10:48,880 --> 00:10:51,960 Speaker 1: to heart kind of conversation where you can really change 167 00:10:52,280 --> 00:10:56,559 Speaker 1: your beliefs here. So you know, I just want to 168 00:10:56,600 --> 00:10:58,080 Speaker 1: point out that I know there are people listening to 169 00:10:58,080 --> 00:11:01,840 Speaker 1: this and like yelling at their iPhones and you guys 170 00:11:02,280 --> 00:11:06,880 Speaker 1: for androids, yes, but for saying for saying what what 171 00:11:07,040 --> 00:11:10,680 Speaker 1: I agree with. But at the same time, I like, 172 00:11:12,120 --> 00:11:13,440 Speaker 1: I just I think we have to be aware of 173 00:11:13,480 --> 00:11:18,480 Speaker 1: that because it goes down to people who who see 174 00:11:18,679 --> 00:11:23,920 Speaker 1: value in life over you know, whatever, whatever other circumstances. 175 00:11:23,920 --> 00:11:27,640 Speaker 1: The problem is they're missing a plot of the big picture. 176 00:11:27,840 --> 00:11:30,280 Speaker 1: And I'm glad you said that because there's something that 177 00:11:30,640 --> 00:11:32,760 Speaker 1: I would like to share. And I think it's something 178 00:11:33,080 --> 00:11:36,520 Speaker 1: Noel and you, Matt and dot and may have heard. 179 00:11:36,679 --> 00:11:40,960 Speaker 1: It's a quotation from a preacher named Dave Barnhardt. I 180 00:11:40,960 --> 00:11:43,640 Speaker 1: would like to read this in full because I think 181 00:11:43,679 --> 00:11:48,760 Speaker 1: it encapsulates some of the problems inherent and legislation Like this, 182 00:11:49,440 --> 00:11:53,920 Speaker 1: He writes, the unborn are a convenient group of people 183 00:11:54,000 --> 00:11:57,000 Speaker 1: to advocate for. They never make demands of you. They 184 00:11:57,000 --> 00:12:02,200 Speaker 1: are morally uncomplicated, unlike the incarceory, addicted or the chronically poor. 185 00:12:02,640 --> 00:12:05,560 Speaker 1: They don't resent your condescension or complain that you are 186 00:12:05,600 --> 00:12:08,800 Speaker 1: not politically correct. Unlike widows, they don't ask you to 187 00:12:08,880 --> 00:12:12,880 Speaker 1: question patriarch and unlike orphans, they don't need money, education, 188 00:12:13,080 --> 00:12:17,240 Speaker 1: or childcare. Unlike aliens, they don't bring all that racial, cultural, 189 00:12:17,280 --> 00:12:20,160 Speaker 1: and religious baggage that you dislike. They allow you to 190 00:12:20,200 --> 00:12:23,000 Speaker 1: feel good about yourself without any work at creating or 191 00:12:23,040 --> 00:12:26,480 Speaker 1: maintaining relationships. And when they are born, you can forget 192 00:12:26,520 --> 00:12:29,760 Speaker 1: about them because they cease to be unborn. It's almost 193 00:12:29,760 --> 00:12:32,520 Speaker 1: as if by being born they have died to you. 194 00:12:32,520 --> 00:12:35,480 Speaker 1: You can love the unborn and advocate for them without 195 00:12:35,559 --> 00:12:40,079 Speaker 1: substantially challenging your own wealth, power, or privilege, without reimagining 196 00:12:40,160 --> 00:12:44,600 Speaker 1: social structures, apologizing, or making reparations to anyone. They are, 197 00:12:44,640 --> 00:12:47,440 Speaker 1: in short, the perfect people to love if you want 198 00:12:47,480 --> 00:12:51,080 Speaker 1: to claim you love Jesus but actually dislike people who breathe. 199 00:12:51,280 --> 00:12:54,319 Speaker 1: And again this is a preacher saying this prisoners immigrants, 200 00:12:54,400 --> 00:12:57,120 Speaker 1: the sick, the poor, widows, orphans, all the groups that 201 00:12:57,160 --> 00:13:00,240 Speaker 1: are specifically mentioned in the Bible. They all get ruined 202 00:13:00,320 --> 00:13:03,280 Speaker 1: under the bus, the onboard. I think that's very well said, 203 00:13:03,320 --> 00:13:04,959 Speaker 1: and I just want to win out to that six 204 00:13:05,000 --> 00:13:08,199 Speaker 1: weeks you know, into a pregnancy. I believe the fetus 205 00:13:08,240 --> 00:13:10,720 Speaker 1: is the size of a grain of rice, and there 206 00:13:11,000 --> 00:13:14,120 Speaker 1: is no This notion of a heartbeat starting at six 207 00:13:14,160 --> 00:13:18,040 Speaker 1: weeks is largely blustered. It's like part of the pr 208 00:13:18,120 --> 00:13:21,400 Speaker 1: campaign behind this whole thing, calling these heartbeat bills, um. 209 00:13:21,640 --> 00:13:24,120 Speaker 1: And the fact that there's no dispensation made in these 210 00:13:24,200 --> 00:13:27,160 Speaker 1: laws for rape or incests, I think is the truly 211 00:13:27,400 --> 00:13:30,160 Speaker 1: kind of abominable part of this. But just to circle 212 00:13:30,200 --> 00:13:33,160 Speaker 1: back to the Satanic temple, um, sorry if I bury 213 00:13:33,200 --> 00:13:36,000 Speaker 1: the lead a little bit. What they're doing is they 214 00:13:36,080 --> 00:13:39,400 Speaker 1: are calling their lobbying to the f d A to 215 00:13:39,559 --> 00:13:43,040 Speaker 1: allow access to abortion pills in the same way that 216 00:13:43,160 --> 00:13:46,200 Speaker 1: First Nations people are able to get access to these 217 00:13:46,240 --> 00:13:50,839 Speaker 1: psychedelic substances legally. Um. This temple actually sent a letter 218 00:13:50,960 --> 00:13:52,960 Speaker 1: filed a letter rather but with the f d A 219 00:13:53,440 --> 00:13:57,160 Speaker 1: UH saying that that the abortion drugs Miffa, priss Stone 220 00:13:57,559 --> 00:14:03,160 Speaker 1: and Myceo pro Staal are part of its quote sacramental 221 00:14:03,320 --> 00:14:07,520 Speaker 1: abortion ritual, you know, and is this a thing? Probably 222 00:14:07,600 --> 00:14:12,400 Speaker 1: not um, but they do have recognition as as a religion, 223 00:14:12,480 --> 00:14:15,120 Speaker 1: and therefore they can make it a thing, I guess. 224 00:14:15,360 --> 00:14:17,719 Speaker 1: And people are following suit, people are like joining and 225 00:14:18,360 --> 00:14:20,760 Speaker 1: making this claim. So I do think it's interesting. It's 226 00:14:20,880 --> 00:14:23,160 Speaker 1: very much in keeping with their sort of trolling, the 227 00:14:23,200 --> 00:14:27,560 Speaker 1: man kind of mentality. I fully approve of this. Uh. 228 00:14:27,600 --> 00:14:31,720 Speaker 1: Their actual statement was this. They they tweeted about this, 229 00:14:32,120 --> 00:14:34,040 Speaker 1: lawyers for the Satanic Temples and a letter to the 230 00:14:34,080 --> 00:14:37,280 Speaker 1: Food and Drug Administration to request that TST be able 231 00:14:37,320 --> 00:14:41,520 Speaker 1: to access abortifacians word, it's new to me without being 232 00:14:41,600 --> 00:14:45,520 Speaker 1: subjected to the agency's regulations. We still have religious liberty 233 00:14:45,560 --> 00:14:48,960 Speaker 1: and we believe in bodily autonomy. And then they hashtag 234 00:14:49,000 --> 00:14:52,400 Speaker 1: at Row versus Wade um, which is obviously something that 235 00:14:52,920 --> 00:14:57,600 Speaker 1: in getting certain justices appointed to the Supreme Court was 236 00:14:57,640 --> 00:15:01,320 Speaker 1: obviously a big campaign prom miss of the Trump administration 237 00:15:01,360 --> 00:15:04,440 Speaker 1: to overturn ro versus Wade and of the Republican Party. 238 00:15:04,480 --> 00:15:08,160 Speaker 1: It's been a huge, you know, priority for a long time, 239 00:15:08,320 --> 00:15:11,200 Speaker 1: and this appears to be what is happening. So I 240 00:15:11,320 --> 00:15:14,360 Speaker 1: say hats off to to the Satanic Temple for uh 241 00:15:14,440 --> 00:15:16,120 Speaker 1: making a stand and doing it in kind of an 242 00:15:16,120 --> 00:15:21,160 Speaker 1: interesting creative way. I have to say, if old Maddie 243 00:15:21,160 --> 00:15:24,800 Speaker 1: fred over here circa even the year two thousand one 244 00:15:24,920 --> 00:15:28,720 Speaker 1: would have heard this as a story, I would be 245 00:15:28,800 --> 00:15:33,440 Speaker 1: freaking out to the concept that the Satanic Temple, no 246 00:15:33,480 --> 00:15:36,360 Speaker 1: matter what it actually is, just the phrase the Satanic 247 00:15:36,360 --> 00:15:41,840 Speaker 1: Temple just recognition, right. Yeah, it is attempting to allow 248 00:15:42,800 --> 00:15:47,320 Speaker 1: or to to ritualize the sacrifice. And I know we're 249 00:15:47,400 --> 00:15:50,280 Speaker 1: using that, I'm using that term weirdly here, But to 250 00:15:50,400 --> 00:15:54,960 Speaker 1: sacrifice unborn children like I would, I would flip out. 251 00:15:55,000 --> 00:15:57,800 Speaker 1: I would think the end is coming like today, because 252 00:15:57,840 --> 00:15:59,480 Speaker 1: that's what it sounds like you're saying. They would use 253 00:15:59,520 --> 00:16:01,440 Speaker 1: it as a as a ritual. They would, they would 254 00:16:01,440 --> 00:16:03,920 Speaker 1: classify it as a ritual to be able to perform 255 00:16:04,240 --> 00:16:08,640 Speaker 1: or provide. Yeah. But but again it's like it's it's 256 00:16:08,640 --> 00:16:12,479 Speaker 1: all a loophole. They're using their ability to create loopholes 257 00:16:12,560 --> 00:16:16,000 Speaker 1: as a legally recognized religion in the same way that 258 00:16:16,760 --> 00:16:21,440 Speaker 1: governments are using loopholes to justify that a rice grain 259 00:16:21,560 --> 00:16:24,680 Speaker 1: sized fetus has a heartbeat, you know. Um, And just 260 00:16:24,880 --> 00:16:27,880 Speaker 1: that's just my take on it. And please listeners take 261 00:16:27,920 --> 00:16:30,040 Speaker 1: me to task if I'm totally full of it um, 262 00:16:30,040 --> 00:16:32,560 Speaker 1: but they do post some interesting stats and I'm gonna 263 00:16:32,560 --> 00:16:34,360 Speaker 1: read this and then that will pass around one last 264 00:16:34,360 --> 00:16:36,960 Speaker 1: time and move on. But this is how they put it, 265 00:16:37,000 --> 00:16:40,640 Speaker 1: how it works. The Satanic Temple has every desire to 266 00:16:40,760 --> 00:16:43,800 Speaker 1: ensure the health and safety of our membership. The issue 267 00:16:43,880 --> 00:16:47,280 Speaker 1: is with governmental control over whether ts t S membership 268 00:16:47,480 --> 00:16:50,320 Speaker 1: can obtain access to these drugs. Ts t S ritual 269 00:16:50,400 --> 00:16:54,120 Speaker 1: requires a medical examination to determine whether there are quote 270 00:16:54,400 --> 00:16:57,880 Speaker 1: contra indications to obtaining an abortion as defined by the 271 00:16:57,920 --> 00:17:01,800 Speaker 1: American College of Obstetricians and kind Cologists or the American 272 00:17:01,840 --> 00:17:05,720 Speaker 1: Academy of Family Physicians. A Satanist then returns directly to 273 00:17:05,800 --> 00:17:10,359 Speaker 1: TST with a physician certification that there are no contraindications, 274 00:17:10,400 --> 00:17:14,080 Speaker 1: and TST will directly supply the member with the abordi 275 00:17:14,119 --> 00:17:17,679 Speaker 1: facians so they may participate in the ritual. I mean 276 00:17:17,720 --> 00:17:20,080 Speaker 1: the ritual is is a is a moot point. It 277 00:17:20,119 --> 00:17:22,920 Speaker 1: doesn't exist, and I'm sure the courts could call them 278 00:17:22,920 --> 00:17:25,040 Speaker 1: on that. What do you think is this? Uh? Is 279 00:17:25,080 --> 00:17:28,680 Speaker 1: this more of a symbolic gesture than something that you 280 00:17:28,720 --> 00:17:32,200 Speaker 1: think will actually pan out or here's the legal justification? 281 00:17:32,320 --> 00:17:34,800 Speaker 1: And fore you answer to that, um The Religious Freedom 282 00:17:34,840 --> 00:17:39,320 Speaker 1: Restoration Act was instigated and enacted to assure Native Americans 283 00:17:39,320 --> 00:17:42,840 Speaker 1: could have unfettered access to payote for their religious rituals. 284 00:17:43,040 --> 00:17:46,760 Speaker 1: Consistent with this purpose, TST wants unfettered access to abordi 285 00:17:46,800 --> 00:17:49,920 Speaker 1: facians for its religious use. Given that payot is a 286 00:17:49,920 --> 00:17:53,000 Speaker 1: Schedule one drug with no accepted medical use, ts t 287 00:17:53,160 --> 00:17:56,120 Speaker 1: s request for access to prescription drugs is even more 288 00:17:56,160 --> 00:18:00,320 Speaker 1: reasonable to be granted under federal law. I yield the floor. 289 00:18:01,200 --> 00:18:04,200 Speaker 1: I mean, I know the Satanic Temple is really good 290 00:18:04,240 --> 00:18:08,560 Speaker 1: at symbolic gestures, right, and that doesn't mean they're joking 291 00:18:08,560 --> 00:18:11,040 Speaker 1: about what they want or their goals. I know they're 292 00:18:11,040 --> 00:18:15,359 Speaker 1: good at doing something publicly or making a statement that 293 00:18:15,840 --> 00:18:20,199 Speaker 1: goes contrary to, you know, maybe what mainstream thinking is, 294 00:18:20,640 --> 00:18:22,879 Speaker 1: in order to prove that there's quite a bit of 295 00:18:22,920 --> 00:18:27,360 Speaker 1: contradiction at play within our thinking, as you know, as 296 00:18:27,480 --> 00:18:29,920 Speaker 1: either the government or Americans or how you think about 297 00:18:29,920 --> 00:18:32,040 Speaker 1: religious freedom. And I wonder if that's what this is. 298 00:18:32,400 --> 00:18:34,520 Speaker 1: But it does seem like there may be an opportunity 299 00:18:34,560 --> 00:18:37,439 Speaker 1: here to at least at least show some of the 300 00:18:37,480 --> 00:18:41,480 Speaker 1: hypocrisy for what it is. Agreed all right, I think Ben, 301 00:18:41,520 --> 00:18:43,760 Speaker 1: you've made your position quite clear, and thank you for 302 00:18:43,800 --> 00:18:46,280 Speaker 1: that quote. I think that was a really great encapsulation 303 00:18:46,320 --> 00:18:52,280 Speaker 1: of some of the kind of counterintuitive ideas at play here. Um, 304 00:18:52,320 --> 00:18:54,000 Speaker 1: and then please let us know. And again, I'm not out. 305 00:18:54,240 --> 00:18:56,399 Speaker 1: None of us are out to criticize anyone's faith. I 306 00:18:56,440 --> 00:19:00,200 Speaker 1: do think your faith is absolutely your own. But once 307 00:19:00,240 --> 00:19:03,080 Speaker 1: you start imposing that will on other people who do 308 00:19:03,160 --> 00:19:06,520 Speaker 1: not share your beliefs, I feel like that's a problem. Um. 309 00:19:06,560 --> 00:19:08,200 Speaker 1: So we're gonna take a quick break and then we'll 310 00:19:08,200 --> 00:19:18,040 Speaker 1: be back with more strange news. And we have returned. 311 00:19:18,400 --> 00:19:22,240 Speaker 1: We're taking a trip outside of the US. We're traveling 312 00:19:22,480 --> 00:19:27,800 Speaker 1: from Texas to the country of Guinea. This is a 313 00:19:27,880 --> 00:19:33,359 Speaker 1: country located in West Africa, and the name may be 314 00:19:33,720 --> 00:19:37,639 Speaker 1: confusing for some people because there are three countries with 315 00:19:37,720 --> 00:19:41,560 Speaker 1: Guinea in the name. There's Equatorial Guinea, there's getting the Cell, 316 00:19:42,000 --> 00:19:46,320 Speaker 1: and then there is just Guinea. You have probably if 317 00:19:46,320 --> 00:19:50,080 Speaker 1: you are reading international news and you're based in the US, 318 00:19:50,280 --> 00:19:53,399 Speaker 1: then most of what you're reading is probably about the 319 00:19:53,440 --> 00:19:59,280 Speaker 1: recent US pull out of Afghanistan, officially ending a war 320 00:20:00,040 --> 00:20:03,960 Speaker 1: conflict that's gone on for twenty years. There are some 321 00:20:04,000 --> 00:20:06,399 Speaker 1: people who are listening to the show now who were 322 00:20:06,440 --> 00:20:10,360 Speaker 1: not alive during the beginning of this conflict, and so 323 00:20:10,440 --> 00:20:14,240 Speaker 1: when you're hearing these reports of what's going on in Afghanistan, 324 00:20:14,840 --> 00:20:19,240 Speaker 1: you may have missed other stories of unrest around the world. 325 00:20:19,840 --> 00:20:25,240 Speaker 1: The country of Guinea has undergone a coup, and the 326 00:20:25,280 --> 00:20:30,000 Speaker 1: specifics of this coup, the machinations that led to the 327 00:20:30,080 --> 00:20:34,119 Speaker 1: ultimate overthrow of the government, have yet to be fully 328 00:20:34,320 --> 00:20:36,960 Speaker 1: sussed out. So what I'd like for us to do 329 00:20:37,160 --> 00:20:41,240 Speaker 1: is to walk through the basics of the timeline and 330 00:20:42,480 --> 00:20:45,680 Speaker 1: talk talk just a little bit more about what this 331 00:20:45,760 --> 00:20:49,600 Speaker 1: means for the world, what this means most importantly for 332 00:20:49,840 --> 00:20:54,000 Speaker 1: the millions of people living in the country of Guinea. 333 00:20:54,240 --> 00:20:57,440 Speaker 1: So just a few days ago, as we record this, 334 00:20:57,920 --> 00:21:01,600 Speaker 1: a picture started going around Internet. This is the way 335 00:21:01,640 --> 00:21:04,800 Speaker 1: a lot of people learned about this coup. By the way, 336 00:21:04,840 --> 00:21:07,119 Speaker 1: almost the same way you would see a meme go 337 00:21:07,359 --> 00:21:11,359 Speaker 1: viral and circulate. I sent this picture to the gang 338 00:21:12,200 --> 00:21:16,159 Speaker 1: right as we were getting rolling, and you got you 339 00:21:16,200 --> 00:21:18,639 Speaker 1: know the picture I'm talking about, right, guys, the couch 340 00:21:19,280 --> 00:21:23,360 Speaker 1: President Alpha, which is the most badass name ever. Uh 341 00:21:24,119 --> 00:21:31,280 Speaker 1: Condy perhaps, Yeah, he he's just chilling. Yeah, And you'll 342 00:21:31,280 --> 00:21:35,840 Speaker 1: see a photograph of now former president Conde uh sitting 343 00:21:35,960 --> 00:21:42,160 Speaker 1: in a oddly relaxed posture while surrounded by for masked, 344 00:21:42,520 --> 00:21:49,160 Speaker 1: camouflaged armed individuals. So here's what happened just a few 345 00:21:49,200 --> 00:21:52,359 Speaker 1: days ago. As you were hearing this strange news segment, 346 00:21:53,320 --> 00:21:58,639 Speaker 1: the military of getting stormed the president's palace, took him 347 00:21:58,640 --> 00:22:01,720 Speaker 1: into custody, and the leader of the coup, who will 348 00:22:01,720 --> 00:22:07,400 Speaker 1: get to in a second, Colonel Mamadi Doumboya, ordered the officials, 349 00:22:07,440 --> 00:22:10,760 Speaker 1: the ministers of the government not to leave. They had 350 00:22:10,800 --> 00:22:14,920 Speaker 1: to give over their government vehicles, they were constrained from 351 00:22:15,160 --> 00:22:21,440 Speaker 1: leaving the country. The forces ostensibly behind this coup are 352 00:22:21,560 --> 00:22:26,960 Speaker 1: saying that they instituted this because of the widespread graft 353 00:22:27,160 --> 00:22:32,880 Speaker 1: and corruption in the established government of this country. And 354 00:22:33,440 --> 00:22:36,119 Speaker 1: oddly enough, when you see when you catch up with 355 00:22:36,119 --> 00:22:38,680 Speaker 1: the news, we're still moving through the fog of war 356 00:22:38,720 --> 00:22:40,760 Speaker 1: and current events. But when you catch up with the news, 357 00:22:41,040 --> 00:22:45,919 Speaker 1: you will see the Western world seems primarily concerned not 358 00:22:46,080 --> 00:22:50,719 Speaker 1: about the people of this country, but about the resources 359 00:22:50,760 --> 00:22:55,280 Speaker 1: of this country. Guinny is in the world of international 360 00:22:55,320 --> 00:23:01,720 Speaker 1: business known as a vast repository of box site. Box 361 00:23:01,760 --> 00:23:05,439 Speaker 1: site is tremendously important to not just Guinea but the world. 362 00:23:05,800 --> 00:23:10,680 Speaker 1: In getting exported a d two point four million tons 363 00:23:10,840 --> 00:23:13,480 Speaker 1: of box site. Why does box site matter? You know, 364 00:23:13,880 --> 00:23:17,000 Speaker 1: it's not like you're walking through a store and you 365 00:23:17,080 --> 00:23:20,000 Speaker 1: buy a cart in a box site, right. Box site 366 00:23:20,080 --> 00:23:24,400 Speaker 1: is a crucial piece of the process of making aluminum. Yeah, 367 00:23:24,440 --> 00:23:26,959 Speaker 1: and it's b A U X I T E by 368 00:23:27,000 --> 00:23:29,040 Speaker 1: the way, if you're looking it up right now. Yeah, 369 00:23:29,200 --> 00:23:31,840 Speaker 1: and so box site is an ore that is the 370 00:23:31,840 --> 00:23:35,480 Speaker 1: primary source of aluminum and you have to chemically process 371 00:23:35,560 --> 00:23:39,600 Speaker 1: it to get from that thing in the ground to 372 00:23:40,000 --> 00:23:42,720 Speaker 1: you know, your Reynolds or stuff they don't want you 373 00:23:42,760 --> 00:23:48,040 Speaker 1: to know tinfoil, right, And this this is tremendously strange 374 00:23:48,359 --> 00:23:51,120 Speaker 1: that a coop of this sort would occur and they'd 375 00:23:51,119 --> 00:23:55,000 Speaker 1: be an also reported kind of news story, Like, had 376 00:23:55,040 --> 00:23:57,679 Speaker 1: you guys heard of this before we were prepping for 377 00:23:57,720 --> 00:24:03,280 Speaker 1: today's episode. I saw headline about it. But yeah, and 378 00:24:03,440 --> 00:24:06,439 Speaker 1: this not to sound cynical, but it makes me wonder 379 00:24:07,320 --> 00:24:12,840 Speaker 1: whether there is an alternative narrative or what resulted in 380 00:24:12,880 --> 00:24:18,679 Speaker 1: the coupe, because the folks who orchestrated the coup are 381 00:24:18,720 --> 00:24:21,600 Speaker 1: claiming that corruption has been around for a long time, 382 00:24:22,320 --> 00:24:25,199 Speaker 1: so what was what do you guys call it? The 383 00:24:25,200 --> 00:24:29,679 Speaker 1: inflection point? The delta, what what was the proverbial feather 384 00:24:30,200 --> 00:24:33,760 Speaker 1: on the camel's back of corruption and governance here? That 385 00:24:33,920 --> 00:24:36,399 Speaker 1: and I always assume governments are going to be corrupt 386 00:24:36,400 --> 00:24:40,000 Speaker 1: where there's money to be made and people to be exploited. Yeah, 387 00:24:40,119 --> 00:24:42,359 Speaker 1: I can see that. I can largely agree with that. 388 00:24:43,040 --> 00:24:46,439 Speaker 1: Guinea is one of the countries suffering from what is 389 00:24:46,480 --> 00:24:52,160 Speaker 1: often referred to as the resource curse, which essentially argues 390 00:24:52,280 --> 00:24:58,680 Speaker 1: that many resource rich countries end up being exploited by 391 00:24:58,880 --> 00:25:05,120 Speaker 1: other countries, trapped in debt, or victimized by corporate friendly laws, 392 00:25:05,280 --> 00:25:09,760 Speaker 1: or even governed by a puppet system. Right like, we 393 00:25:09,800 --> 00:25:13,679 Speaker 1: all know what happened with Guatemala in ninety four, and 394 00:25:14,000 --> 00:25:18,240 Speaker 1: puppet governments and coups are nothing new. But the reason 395 00:25:18,280 --> 00:25:21,440 Speaker 1: I'm bringing this story to us today is because we 396 00:25:21,760 --> 00:25:25,400 Speaker 1: need to hear from people in West Africa. We need 397 00:25:25,440 --> 00:25:28,600 Speaker 1: to hear from people familiar with Guinea. We need to 398 00:25:28,640 --> 00:25:34,360 Speaker 1: hear from people who are perhaps familiar with box site mining. 399 00:25:35,280 --> 00:25:38,959 Speaker 1: We need better visibility on this because this is a story. 400 00:25:39,200 --> 00:25:42,639 Speaker 1: This is an event that is affecting millions of people, 401 00:25:43,000 --> 00:25:47,520 Speaker 1: and it's not being treated with the importance or the 402 00:25:47,560 --> 00:25:51,720 Speaker 1: consideration that it rightly deserves. Is it not weird to 403 00:25:51,760 --> 00:25:55,720 Speaker 1: anybody else that there's a coup and it's just like, hey, 404 00:25:55,960 --> 00:26:00,439 Speaker 1: here's there's this new Marvel movie coming out also somewhat 405 00:26:00,520 --> 00:26:04,040 Speaker 1: overthrew a government, And what does that mean for a 406 00:26:04,040 --> 00:26:10,320 Speaker 1: little bit of I I know, I agree it's actual people. 407 00:26:10,480 --> 00:26:13,920 Speaker 1: I agree that it's important, and it it feels maybe 408 00:26:14,440 --> 00:26:16,560 Speaker 1: to a lot of people, including myself, that there have 409 00:26:16,680 --> 00:26:20,359 Speaker 1: been a lot of coups and coup attempts lately, and 410 00:26:20,840 --> 00:26:28,639 Speaker 1: America has a known problem of widely understanding other countries 411 00:26:28,680 --> 00:26:32,200 Speaker 1: where they're located, identifying with the people of various countries, 412 00:26:32,280 --> 00:26:36,800 Speaker 1: because again, we're very much ideologically isolated here, not all 413 00:26:36,840 --> 00:26:39,760 Speaker 1: of us that I think that's just a general that 414 00:26:39,880 --> 00:26:42,359 Speaker 1: is a massive generalization on my part, but that is 415 00:26:42,720 --> 00:26:45,800 Speaker 1: kind of a documented thing. I wonder just how much 416 00:26:45,840 --> 00:26:49,280 Speaker 1: of it is feeling like it's happening a lot, and 417 00:26:49,320 --> 00:26:53,360 Speaker 1: then keeping track of everything as another coup attempt occurs. 418 00:26:54,119 --> 00:26:56,360 Speaker 1: The good thing in this case is that the president 419 00:26:56,600 --> 00:27:00,679 Speaker 1: didn't get assassinated in his home immediately at least, or 420 00:27:00,920 --> 00:27:04,320 Speaker 1: he hasn't been yet. But the the other thing is, Sorry, 421 00:27:04,320 --> 00:27:07,520 Speaker 1: I don't want to rant here, but I know there 422 00:27:07,560 --> 00:27:11,199 Speaker 1: was a situation in Guinea where the president basically decided 423 00:27:11,280 --> 00:27:13,440 Speaker 1: he was gonna have a third term. Right, that's why 424 00:27:13,720 --> 00:27:16,800 Speaker 1: this allegedly began, at least according to the official story. Yeah, 425 00:27:16,800 --> 00:27:19,880 Speaker 1: he's been he had been in power for about a decade, 426 00:27:19,920 --> 00:27:23,240 Speaker 1: I believe. Yeah, so he went through his two terms 427 00:27:23,280 --> 00:27:26,080 Speaker 1: and then I believe he had he wanted to change 428 00:27:26,640 --> 00:27:30,159 Speaker 1: essentially the constitution or the what he would need to 429 00:27:30,280 --> 00:27:33,399 Speaker 1: change in order to have a third term. Right, I 430 00:27:33,400 --> 00:27:37,679 Speaker 1: mean that's never that's never a good idea if you 431 00:27:37,720 --> 00:27:41,960 Speaker 1: want to continue being a popular president, if president at all. 432 00:27:42,200 --> 00:27:43,960 Speaker 1: So I'm sorry, I'm just trying to understand. I think 433 00:27:44,000 --> 00:27:48,560 Speaker 1: I do. But like, the coup isn't directly related to 434 00:27:49,040 --> 00:27:53,480 Speaker 1: the aluminum or the this you know material uh concern, 435 00:27:53,600 --> 00:27:55,560 Speaker 1: it's it's a cause of it. So the coup is 436 00:27:55,600 --> 00:27:59,439 Speaker 1: causing conditions for exporting to be more difficult, therefore the 437 00:27:59,480 --> 00:28:02,000 Speaker 1: prices going up. Is that essentially the idea, Yeah, that's 438 00:28:02,000 --> 00:28:04,840 Speaker 1: the ways being reported. So at the time of the coup, 439 00:28:05,080 --> 00:28:09,439 Speaker 1: the largest market for this box site was China was 440 00:28:09,520 --> 00:28:14,640 Speaker 1: firms based in China. Uh. There were also active operations 441 00:28:14,680 --> 00:28:19,880 Speaker 1: extracting diamonds, iron ore, gold ore, getting very resource rich 442 00:28:20,400 --> 00:28:25,040 Speaker 1: country right now, Nobody involved with the coup was saying 443 00:28:25,720 --> 00:28:30,240 Speaker 1: we did this for any other reason than corruption, Because 444 00:28:30,280 --> 00:28:34,240 Speaker 1: while the mining industry was booming and Guinea, the fact 445 00:28:34,280 --> 00:28:37,919 Speaker 1: of the matter is that most average people didn't see 446 00:28:38,080 --> 00:28:42,360 Speaker 1: a significant improvement in their day to day lives. And 447 00:28:42,440 --> 00:28:46,480 Speaker 1: like you pointed out, Matt, the president, the former president 448 00:28:47,240 --> 00:28:51,680 Speaker 1: was accused of election rigging. It was accused of all 449 00:28:51,800 --> 00:28:57,280 Speaker 1: the corrupt things you hear about government leaders doing so. Again, 450 00:28:57,440 --> 00:28:59,880 Speaker 1: the part that is sticking with me, the part that 451 00:29:00,000 --> 00:29:04,400 Speaker 1: I would like cleared up, is the answer about timing. Right, 452 00:29:04,480 --> 00:29:11,280 Speaker 1: this guy has been in office since and the complaints 453 00:29:11,480 --> 00:29:15,600 Speaker 1: seem large like the complaints of opposition parties are largely 454 00:29:15,680 --> 00:29:20,520 Speaker 1: the same throughout that time period. So why now everybody 455 00:29:20,560 --> 00:29:23,520 Speaker 1: on the side of the coup, supporting the coup isn't 456 00:29:23,560 --> 00:29:27,480 Speaker 1: really mentioning Box Site or Aluminum, you know, to be 457 00:29:27,600 --> 00:29:32,000 Speaker 1: very clear, nobody is saying we were you know, paid 458 00:29:32,120 --> 00:29:35,959 Speaker 1: by insert shadowy cabal here to overthrow the government and 459 00:29:36,000 --> 00:29:41,040 Speaker 1: get better corporate deals on Box Site. But given the 460 00:29:41,240 --> 00:29:45,600 Speaker 1: dirty business of geopolitics and war, it's not surprising that 461 00:29:45,760 --> 00:29:49,640 Speaker 1: so many people would ask that question. And I don't 462 00:29:49,640 --> 00:29:52,320 Speaker 1: think there's anything wrong with asking that question. We just 463 00:29:52,360 --> 00:29:55,560 Speaker 1: have to be ready to learn the truth, however ugly 464 00:29:55,680 --> 00:29:59,400 Speaker 1: it may be. That's and it maybe you know some 465 00:29:59,440 --> 00:30:04,080 Speaker 1: time before we do know or can now. Right, that's correct. Yeah, 466 00:30:04,240 --> 00:30:07,800 Speaker 1: the benefit of retrospect and also the benefit of our 467 00:30:07,880 --> 00:30:12,080 Speaker 1: fellow conspiracy realists around the world. We're gonna pause for 468 00:30:12,160 --> 00:30:16,200 Speaker 1: word from our sponsor during the ad break. If you 469 00:30:16,320 --> 00:30:20,440 Speaker 1: have experienced firsthand and guinea, if you have familiarity with 470 00:30:20,680 --> 00:30:23,720 Speaker 1: life on the ground, please write to us and let 471 00:30:23,840 --> 00:30:27,280 Speaker 1: us know where conspiracy at I Heart radio dot com. 472 00:30:27,320 --> 00:30:36,240 Speaker 1: We'll be right back and we're back. I hope you 473 00:30:36,480 --> 00:30:41,720 Speaker 1: enjoyed those advertisements as much as we did. Um, just quickly, guys, 474 00:30:41,920 --> 00:30:45,280 Speaker 1: I haven't been watching a ton of addresses from the 475 00:30:45,600 --> 00:30:49,960 Speaker 1: standing president right now, President Biden. I didn't really watch 476 00:30:50,000 --> 00:30:53,680 Speaker 1: any of the releases from the previous president. Um. It's 477 00:30:53,760 --> 00:30:56,479 Speaker 1: just I think maybe a self care thing for me, 478 00:30:56,720 --> 00:31:00,680 Speaker 1: just like not watching a lot of the politics right now, 479 00:31:01,440 --> 00:31:05,280 Speaker 1: and for this particular segment, I've been watching several addresses 480 00:31:05,760 --> 00:31:08,720 Speaker 1: that President Biden has made and it just I don't 481 00:31:08,760 --> 00:31:11,000 Speaker 1: know if this strikes you, guys, but it just strikes 482 00:31:11,040 --> 00:31:15,200 Speaker 1: me how how old our president is. And I know 483 00:31:15,280 --> 00:31:17,560 Speaker 1: that was in a lot of the discourse through throughout 484 00:31:17,560 --> 00:31:23,000 Speaker 1: politics in the last election. But man, alright, just personally, 485 00:31:23,800 --> 00:31:26,440 Speaker 1: I don't know. The grandfather a figure thing makes sense, 486 00:31:26,480 --> 00:31:29,240 Speaker 1: but I don't know, maybe not the great grandfather thing. 487 00:31:29,280 --> 00:31:30,880 Speaker 1: I don't I'm not even trying to be funny here. 488 00:31:30,880 --> 00:31:33,960 Speaker 1: I'm just like, it really weirds me out. It should 489 00:31:34,000 --> 00:31:39,040 Speaker 1: weird you out, the age discrepancy between elected officials and 490 00:31:39,080 --> 00:31:43,360 Speaker 1: the people they governed. This isn't a political point. This 491 00:31:43,480 --> 00:31:47,640 Speaker 1: is just an objective point. The age discrepancy is weird. 492 00:31:48,360 --> 00:31:51,600 Speaker 1: It should be something that people think about. And that's 493 00:31:51,640 --> 00:31:56,160 Speaker 1: not That's not a day on any presidential administration, any 494 00:31:56,240 --> 00:32:00,520 Speaker 1: political party. That is simply math. Is it not strange? 495 00:32:01,040 --> 00:32:03,720 Speaker 1: You know what I mean? Like the let's just for comparison, 496 00:32:03,800 --> 00:32:07,240 Speaker 1: just this set this up. The average age of a 497 00:32:07,320 --> 00:32:11,480 Speaker 1: person living in the United States is like thirty eight 498 00:32:11,520 --> 00:32:13,960 Speaker 1: years old. That's exactly how old I am. Good to 499 00:32:14,000 --> 00:32:19,640 Speaker 1: be completely average. Hey, congrats dude, for comparison. Yes, congratulations 500 00:32:19,640 --> 00:32:25,000 Speaker 1: for comparison. The average age of a congress person is 501 00:32:25,000 --> 00:32:27,680 Speaker 1: about fifty seven and a half years old, and the 502 00:32:27,720 --> 00:32:31,000 Speaker 1: average age of a Senator is just under sixty three 503 00:32:31,080 --> 00:32:35,920 Speaker 1: years old. Interesting, is this a product of term limits. Sir, 504 00:32:36,480 --> 00:32:39,120 Speaker 1: ha ha, That's this is what I wanted to bring up. 505 00:32:39,120 --> 00:32:42,920 Speaker 1: There we go. President. President Biden has been serving in 506 00:32:43,000 --> 00:32:48,920 Speaker 1: the United States government since nineteen seventy three, uh, ten 507 00:32:49,000 --> 00:32:54,320 Speaker 1: years before you were born. No, so like, Uh, the 508 00:32:54,320 --> 00:32:57,120 Speaker 1: reason why I'm even thinking about this is because September 509 00:32:57,160 --> 00:33:00,880 Speaker 1: eleven this year will have been twenty years ago, and 510 00:33:01,400 --> 00:33:04,680 Speaker 1: Joe Biden was one, you know, was in politics and 511 00:33:04,720 --> 00:33:07,480 Speaker 1: he's one of the people that was able to make 512 00:33:07,560 --> 00:33:12,760 Speaker 1: some decisions on the aftermath of nine eleven how that 513 00:33:13,320 --> 00:33:17,800 Speaker 1: event was investigated, and he you know, he's been serving 514 00:33:17,800 --> 00:33:19,920 Speaker 1: the country for a long time. That's not a ding 515 00:33:19,960 --> 00:33:22,240 Speaker 1: on him in any way. It just means he's seen 516 00:33:22,920 --> 00:33:25,360 Speaker 1: September eleven from the day it happened until now, and 517 00:33:25,360 --> 00:33:28,920 Speaker 1: he's he's been making political decisions throughout that entire time. 518 00:33:29,120 --> 00:33:32,960 Speaker 1: And well, with that can often come baggage, right, things 519 00:33:33,000 --> 00:33:37,240 Speaker 1: that maybe you'd rather not remind people of in terms 520 00:33:37,240 --> 00:33:40,680 Speaker 1: of you know, those responses that you're talking about. Yes, 521 00:33:40,960 --> 00:33:44,160 Speaker 1: and the news that we're going to talk about today 522 00:33:44,280 --> 00:33:48,360 Speaker 1: started for me in the New York Post of all places, 523 00:33:49,000 --> 00:33:53,120 Speaker 1: and uh, an article about the families of victims of 524 00:33:53,200 --> 00:33:56,840 Speaker 1: nine eleven and just generally anyone who perished because of 525 00:33:56,880 --> 00:34:01,360 Speaker 1: that event, either directly during you know, that day, or 526 00:34:01,400 --> 00:34:05,160 Speaker 1: as a result of medical complications due to things they 527 00:34:05,280 --> 00:34:09,279 Speaker 1: encountered while cleaning up, or you know, assisting the efforts there. 528 00:34:09,840 --> 00:34:15,760 Speaker 1: These families came forward to announce collectively that they didn't 529 00:34:15,800 --> 00:34:19,759 Speaker 1: want President Biden to celebrate or take part in any 530 00:34:19,760 --> 00:34:23,280 Speaker 1: official nine eleven memorial events this year on the twentieth 531 00:34:23,280 --> 00:34:28,560 Speaker 1: anniversary unless he was actively working to help them get 532 00:34:28,640 --> 00:34:32,759 Speaker 1: clarity on what actually happened, you know, whether or not 533 00:34:32,920 --> 00:34:38,640 Speaker 1: there were further connections between the hijackers and the country 534 00:34:38,640 --> 00:34:42,640 Speaker 1: of Saudi Arabia, and you know, maybe other countries that 535 00:34:42,719 --> 00:34:48,000 Speaker 1: helped out in some way, whether officially or unofficially. And 536 00:34:48,080 --> 00:34:51,359 Speaker 1: the reason why they came forward to, you know, make 537 00:34:51,400 --> 00:34:55,400 Speaker 1: this statement is because President Biden is the fourth sitting 538 00:34:55,440 --> 00:35:00,640 Speaker 1: president to have these families ask very hard questions about 539 00:35:00,640 --> 00:35:03,640 Speaker 1: who did this and why and share the information, please 540 00:35:03,920 --> 00:35:07,839 Speaker 1: share it now. And up until now, no president has 541 00:35:07,880 --> 00:35:12,520 Speaker 1: taken action. They've always made the decision that national security 542 00:35:12,560 --> 00:35:16,520 Speaker 1: is more important than transparency for the American people. The 543 00:35:16,640 --> 00:35:20,000 Speaker 1: greater the greater good argument, and that's that's what presidents 544 00:35:20,040 --> 00:35:25,680 Speaker 1: have chosen. Bush Obama, Trump now Biden. But Biden has 545 00:35:25,800 --> 00:35:28,319 Speaker 1: changed it up a little bit, at least in a 546 00:35:28,440 --> 00:35:32,000 Speaker 1: political move that may not actually you know, come away 547 00:35:32,040 --> 00:35:36,799 Speaker 1: with anything or at least just another slightly less predacted 548 00:35:36,920 --> 00:35:41,040 Speaker 1: group of documents. Um. But because of pressure from the 549 00:35:41,080 --> 00:35:43,440 Speaker 1: families at least that seems to be the reason this 550 00:35:43,520 --> 00:35:48,480 Speaker 1: is happening. President Biden officially signed an executive order that 551 00:35:48,520 --> 00:35:54,280 Speaker 1: would have the I believe, the FBI, the Department of Justice, UM, 552 00:35:54,760 --> 00:36:01,240 Speaker 1: the Pentagon, these groups, specifically the FBI release documentation into 553 00:36:01,320 --> 00:36:06,319 Speaker 1: the various investigations into the nine eleven attacks and specifically 554 00:36:06,400 --> 00:36:08,960 Speaker 1: with who who perhaps was behind them? What was the 555 00:36:09,000 --> 00:36:14,040 Speaker 1: money behind these attacks? Right? The complicity there, the possible complicity, 556 00:36:14,160 --> 00:36:17,120 Speaker 1: whether on an individual or state level, with the k 557 00:36:17,719 --> 00:36:20,480 Speaker 1: the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia. There you go. Yeah, I 558 00:36:20,480 --> 00:36:22,719 Speaker 1: apologize for just calling it Saudi Arabia. So it's so 559 00:36:22,800 --> 00:36:25,520 Speaker 1: common to just call it Saudi Arabia. The Kingdom is 560 00:36:25,920 --> 00:36:29,200 Speaker 1: the kingdom. The Kingdom is the Kingdom. You know, as 561 00:36:29,200 --> 00:36:31,680 Speaker 1: they say, I don't know what I'm talking about here, 562 00:36:32,080 --> 00:36:34,879 Speaker 1: but yes, there's some really interesting stuff going on there. 563 00:36:34,960 --> 00:36:37,400 Speaker 1: And as we know, lots and lots and lots of 564 00:36:37,440 --> 00:36:41,239 Speaker 1: old money in the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia. So this 565 00:36:41,880 --> 00:36:48,520 Speaker 1: this order was largely inspired by a massive letter writing 566 00:36:48,520 --> 00:36:51,160 Speaker 1: campaign like you said, that went on for four different 567 00:36:51,280 --> 00:36:54,960 Speaker 1: presidential administrations. I think it was one thousand, eight hundred 568 00:36:55,600 --> 00:36:59,480 Speaker 1: surviving family members of victims, people who were on the 569 00:36:59,480 --> 00:37:04,440 Speaker 1: ground and revived and first responders are specifically seeking evidence 570 00:37:05,320 --> 00:37:09,359 Speaker 1: that implicates officials from the k s A in allegedly 571 00:37:09,480 --> 00:37:13,200 Speaker 1: supporting the attacks. That's what they're pushing for. It might 572 00:37:13,239 --> 00:37:17,200 Speaker 1: be surprising to some folks that twenty years after the fact, 573 00:37:17,680 --> 00:37:23,040 Speaker 1: some of the findings of the nine eleven commission remain classified. Yeah, oh, 574 00:37:23,160 --> 00:37:26,759 Speaker 1: it's it's very strange. And one of the primary things 575 00:37:26,800 --> 00:37:29,520 Speaker 1: that those those families are siding with regards to the 576 00:37:29,600 --> 00:37:34,960 Speaker 1: Kingdom of Saudi Arabia is a specific FBI investigation titled 577 00:37:35,040 --> 00:37:38,319 Speaker 1: Operation on Core that you can read about right now 578 00:37:38,840 --> 00:37:40,880 Speaker 1: if you head on over to Pro Publica and a 579 00:37:40,920 --> 00:37:45,479 Speaker 1: couple other places search Operation E n C O R E. 580 00:37:45,680 --> 00:37:48,240 Speaker 1: And you have to put nine eleven or September eleven 581 00:37:48,320 --> 00:37:51,799 Speaker 1: in there, because there isn't a different Operation on Core 582 00:37:52,360 --> 00:37:55,279 Speaker 1: that exists. It has to do with music and and 583 00:37:55,360 --> 00:37:59,040 Speaker 1: some military service people. Um, but this was a real 584 00:37:59,160 --> 00:38:02,799 Speaker 1: FBI investor gation trying to figure out whether or not 585 00:38:02,920 --> 00:38:07,279 Speaker 1: officials in the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia had direct connections 586 00:38:07,680 --> 00:38:11,600 Speaker 1: to the people who were hijackers on September eleven, and 587 00:38:12,080 --> 00:38:16,080 Speaker 1: a lot of this information is being withheld from the 588 00:38:16,120 --> 00:38:21,640 Speaker 1: American public what they found and what it means. And 589 00:38:21,760 --> 00:38:26,480 Speaker 1: you know, for me, the guy that watched Loose Change 590 00:38:27,080 --> 00:38:30,479 Speaker 1: when I was, you know, going into college, that's around 591 00:38:30,520 --> 00:38:32,960 Speaker 1: the time that I was watching Loose Change, I know 592 00:38:33,480 --> 00:38:38,600 Speaker 1: the flaws with that documentary. I also know that it 593 00:38:39,080 --> 00:38:41,879 Speaker 1: created a lot of questions in my mind. And then 594 00:38:41,920 --> 00:38:44,719 Speaker 1: following a lot of the other you know, architects and 595 00:38:44,800 --> 00:38:47,080 Speaker 1: engineers for nine eleven Truth and a lot of these 596 00:38:47,080 --> 00:38:50,120 Speaker 1: other groups that have been pushing for transparency over the years, 597 00:38:50,920 --> 00:38:55,040 Speaker 1: my questions have, I feel, have only gotten more complicated, 598 00:38:55,120 --> 00:38:59,799 Speaker 1: let's say, because you know, I don't want to be 599 00:39:00,760 --> 00:39:02,960 Speaker 1: that's the thing. It's I'm I don't want to be 600 00:39:03,160 --> 00:39:06,799 Speaker 1: considered a nine and eleven truther because that has so 601 00:39:06,880 --> 00:39:09,759 Speaker 1: much stigma behind it. But I still have questions that 602 00:39:09,840 --> 00:39:12,279 Speaker 1: I want answered. Right, So I shouldn't make you a 603 00:39:12,320 --> 00:39:16,359 Speaker 1: thought terminating cliche. Well, I agree, but I feel as 604 00:39:16,360 --> 00:39:19,960 Speaker 1: though it does so, you know, given the platform that 605 00:39:20,000 --> 00:39:23,360 Speaker 1: we have here to even express that I have questions 606 00:39:23,400 --> 00:39:25,160 Speaker 1: that I want answered that I feel like I don't 607 00:39:25,200 --> 00:39:27,640 Speaker 1: have the full story. Feels like it could be a 608 00:39:28,400 --> 00:39:31,799 Speaker 1: perhaps the wrong move. But here I am telling you 609 00:39:31,840 --> 00:39:33,480 Speaker 1: that I've got a lot of questions and I'm very 610 00:39:33,560 --> 00:39:37,360 Speaker 1: much looking forward to what possibly could be released because 611 00:39:37,400 --> 00:39:40,040 Speaker 1: of this executive order signed by President Biden. Do you 612 00:39:40,160 --> 00:39:42,840 Speaker 1: have high hopes this is going to be something meaningful. 613 00:39:43,120 --> 00:39:45,600 Speaker 1: I don't have high hopes for that. But you know, 614 00:39:45,719 --> 00:39:47,960 Speaker 1: much like the U a p. Report, perhaps we'll get 615 00:39:47,960 --> 00:39:51,840 Speaker 1: a very short executive summary of the findings and a few, 616 00:39:52,200 --> 00:39:56,160 Speaker 1: like I said, slightly less redacted pages classified report on 617 00:39:56,239 --> 00:40:02,480 Speaker 1: declassification rights. Fun but but well, so the way this 618 00:40:02,600 --> 00:40:07,200 Speaker 1: is worded when you read the EO is essentially I 619 00:40:07,560 --> 00:40:11,800 Speaker 1: call this correctly. The order has a timeline as a 620 00:40:11,880 --> 00:40:15,840 Speaker 1: do date, a hundred and twenty days from when it 621 00:40:16,000 --> 00:40:20,720 Speaker 1: was signed, which I believe was on this past Friday. Yes, 622 00:40:20,920 --> 00:40:28,560 Speaker 1: so the FBI and the intelligence agencies alphabets involved have 623 00:40:28,960 --> 00:40:32,520 Speaker 1: a deadline. They have a hundred and twenty days to 624 00:40:33,320 --> 00:40:38,080 Speaker 1: divulge information that's currently classified. There isn't There is an 625 00:40:38,120 --> 00:40:43,319 Speaker 1: exception in the in the language of this executive order, 626 00:40:43,680 --> 00:40:47,879 Speaker 1: and it's something like this specific wording is something like 627 00:40:48,320 --> 00:40:52,640 Speaker 1: this stuff will be released unless there is the strongest 628 00:40:53,600 --> 00:40:57,680 Speaker 1: reason against releasing it, or so the strongest reason counseling 629 00:40:57,719 --> 00:41:00,440 Speaker 1: against it, or something something to that, if facts, So 630 00:41:00,480 --> 00:41:04,400 Speaker 1: there is still there is still a greater good piece 631 00:41:04,440 --> 00:41:07,239 Speaker 1: of the argument here. So there is still a way 632 00:41:07,280 --> 00:41:12,279 Speaker 1: for someone vetting this stuff to say, actually, if we 633 00:41:12,360 --> 00:41:15,880 Speaker 1: tell the public this, it is still a clear present 634 00:41:15,960 --> 00:41:20,120 Speaker 1: danger to national security, that stuff can still happen. And 635 00:41:20,120 --> 00:41:23,719 Speaker 1: then further, there's a there's another baked in deadline not 636 00:41:23,960 --> 00:41:27,279 Speaker 1: later than a hundred and eighty days after the date 637 00:41:27,360 --> 00:41:31,600 Speaker 1: of this order. All the records from any separate but 638 00:41:31,719 --> 00:41:37,200 Speaker 1: possibly related FBI investigation also have to be disclosed or 639 00:41:37,239 --> 00:41:41,200 Speaker 1: at least evaluated. Right, yeah, you're right. But the most 640 00:41:41,239 --> 00:41:47,040 Speaker 1: immediate deadline they have is September eleventh, two thou which 641 00:41:47,080 --> 00:41:52,080 Speaker 1: is just to finish the review review. Right, that's not 642 00:41:52,160 --> 00:41:55,400 Speaker 1: exactly what it's called, but they called the subfile investigation, 643 00:41:56,160 --> 00:42:00,879 Speaker 1: which is just a declassification review of documents. Anyway, it's 644 00:42:01,280 --> 00:42:04,120 Speaker 1: it's uh, it gets a bit complicated once you get 645 00:42:04,120 --> 00:42:07,080 Speaker 1: in there, and you know, given those timelines, we may 646 00:42:07,080 --> 00:42:10,640 Speaker 1: not see anything for a long while. But at least 647 00:42:10,680 --> 00:42:13,960 Speaker 1: it's it's hope that perhaps there will be I don't know, well, 648 00:42:14,120 --> 00:42:17,760 Speaker 1: a little more light shed on what actually happened, because 649 00:42:17,800 --> 00:42:21,160 Speaker 1: it does, in a weird way, still feel to me 650 00:42:21,320 --> 00:42:24,000 Speaker 1: personally like we don't have the full story. Well, that's 651 00:42:24,560 --> 00:42:29,120 Speaker 1: that's because the full story is not declassified, right, that's 652 00:42:29,440 --> 00:42:34,000 Speaker 1: there has to be something secret for this executive order 653 00:42:34,160 --> 00:42:38,600 Speaker 1: to exist. And clearly the people who have survived those 654 00:42:38,640 --> 00:42:42,839 Speaker 1: horrific events feel the same way. They want answers, they 655 00:42:42,840 --> 00:42:47,120 Speaker 1: want specifics. There's nothing wrong with asking for those, right 656 00:42:47,520 --> 00:42:51,960 Speaker 1: I hope not. Otherwise they see you all later. I'll 657 00:42:52,000 --> 00:42:55,279 Speaker 1: be in the hole. Let's also remember, you know, we 658 00:42:55,360 --> 00:43:01,200 Speaker 1: did explore some of the international relations ship between the 659 00:43:01,280 --> 00:43:05,719 Speaker 1: Kingdom of Saudi Arabia and the United States earlier in 660 00:43:05,840 --> 00:43:11,200 Speaker 1: our investigation of immunity, legal immunity from different things, not 661 00:43:11,320 --> 00:43:16,160 Speaker 1: quite diplomatic immunity, in practice, immunity from different crimes. And 662 00:43:16,239 --> 00:43:21,720 Speaker 1: everyone also remembers the murder, the vivid section, the dismemberment 663 00:43:22,360 --> 00:43:26,600 Speaker 1: of the journalists Kahagi, and it's pretty clear that that 664 00:43:26,800 --> 00:43:32,760 Speaker 1: was on the orders of the government of Saudi Arabia. Uh. 665 00:43:32,800 --> 00:43:35,040 Speaker 1: This is a tough one, guys, right, you know, and 666 00:43:35,080 --> 00:43:38,360 Speaker 1: we are coming up this episode comes out just after 667 00:43:38,680 --> 00:43:42,960 Speaker 1: the September eleven anniversary. You know, I don't want to 668 00:43:42,960 --> 00:43:47,480 Speaker 1: get to patriotic here, but definitely I am thinking a 669 00:43:47,480 --> 00:43:51,120 Speaker 1: lot about the people that were lost. And there are 670 00:43:51,160 --> 00:43:54,440 Speaker 1: several people I know who have loved ones who who 671 00:43:54,480 --> 00:43:58,360 Speaker 1: died that day. So just thinking about you All's a 672 00:43:58,440 --> 00:44:00,799 Speaker 1: weird thing happened on Clubhouse. So I told you guys 673 00:44:00,840 --> 00:44:04,439 Speaker 1: about this where I've just happened into Jesse Ventura's room 674 00:44:04,480 --> 00:44:07,880 Speaker 1: because apparently Governor of Ventura has a room on Clubhouse 675 00:44:08,560 --> 00:44:11,360 Speaker 1: and I asked him about this topic because I was 676 00:44:11,360 --> 00:44:14,359 Speaker 1: looking it up for this segment, and he had some 677 00:44:14,400 --> 00:44:17,880 Speaker 1: really interesting things to say, and he definitely feels like 678 00:44:17,960 --> 00:44:21,000 Speaker 1: we don't have the full story here. He said, it's 679 00:44:21,000 --> 00:44:23,759 Speaker 1: in the effect of if there's ever a commission of 680 00:44:23,800 --> 00:44:26,640 Speaker 1: any kind or an inquiry, that's always going to be 681 00:44:26,719 --> 00:44:30,200 Speaker 1: the final word that is referred back to. That's exactly 682 00:44:30,239 --> 00:44:33,120 Speaker 1: what he said, no matter what, no matter what else 683 00:44:33,200 --> 00:44:38,200 Speaker 1: comes forward, that commission is what happened according to the government. Alright, well, 684 00:44:38,200 --> 00:44:40,400 Speaker 1: I think that's it. Hey, if you have any information 685 00:44:40,440 --> 00:44:43,480 Speaker 1: on this, or you got any personal stories about this 686 00:44:43,520 --> 00:44:46,360 Speaker 1: topic or any of the other ones we discussed today. 687 00:44:47,280 --> 00:44:51,320 Speaker 1: Please please please find us. 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