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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Truth with Lisa Booth, where we get

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Speaker 1: to the heart of the issues that matter to you. Today,

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Speaker 1: we're talking about Charlie. Like so many people in Republican circles.

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Speaker 1: I got to know Charlie. He was an exceptional man.

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Speaker 1: I'm sure you're feeling the same way. But my heart

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Speaker 1: has just been broken. It's just been breaking over the

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Speaker 1: past few days.

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Speaker 2: The only thing heartening.

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Speaker 1: By it is seeing the millions of people around the

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Speaker 1: world turned to God, turn to Jesus Christ, and also

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Speaker 1: to be more bold in their beliefs. I'm sure you're

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Speaker 1: seeing it as well. It's been a gut check for

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Speaker 1: so many of us to look at a thirty one

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Speaker 1: year old man who had so much purpose in his life.

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Speaker 1: He knew exactly why God put him on this earth,

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Speaker 1: he knew exactly what his mission in life was. He

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Speaker 1: loved his family, he loved his wife, He treated people

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Speaker 1: with respect.

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Speaker 2: So you know, what are the rest of us doing.

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Speaker 1: I'm sure you're feeling it to this tug on your

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Speaker 1: heart about you know what's my mission?

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Speaker 2: Am I doing enough?

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Speaker 1: So just want to knowledge that and let you guys

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Speaker 1: know that I'm feeling the same pain that you are

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Speaker 1: after losing Charlie Kirk. On that note, I don't know

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Speaker 1: about you, but I'm so sick and tired of the

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Speaker 1: media trying to both sides this. The bullets have been

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Speaker 1: flying in one direction. We've seen the attempted assassination of

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Speaker 1: Steve Scleeze and other Republicans in twenty seventeen, the attempted

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Speaker 1: assassination of Justice Brett Kavanaugh, two attempted assassinations against President Trump,

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Speaker 1: and then the assassination of Charlie Kirk. So we're going

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Speaker 1: to dig into that both sides nonsense. We're also going

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Speaker 1: to dig into the radicalization of Charlie Kirk's assassin.

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Speaker 2: Was Charlie's killer tied to Antifa? Was the roommate?

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Speaker 1: We're going to dig into all this with someone who

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Speaker 1: really wrote the book on Antifa's violence, Andy No. He's

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Speaker 1: the author of Unmasked Inside Antifa's radical Plan to Destroy Democracy.

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Speaker 1: So we're going to tackle all of these big issues

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Speaker 1: with someone who, unfortunately has seen Antifa's violence and the

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Speaker 1: radical lefts violence up front, who's been attacked. Who else

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Speaker 1: better to speak to about all of this than someone

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Speaker 1: who has seen the evil of the left up close.

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Speaker 2: Stay tuned for any No.

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Speaker 1: Well, Andy, thanks for taking the time to join the show.

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Speaker 1: It's been a while since we've caught up and just

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Speaker 1: really looking forward to hearing your insight into this conversation.

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Speaker 1: It's a sad one and a scary one, but you know,

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Speaker 1: you've got a lot of unique insight into it, so

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Speaker 1: we appreciate you making.

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Speaker 3: The time my pleasure. Thanks for having me.

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Speaker 1: As we look at obviously it's been a few days

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Speaker 1: since Charlie was assassinated, we're learning more about his killer

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Speaker 1: and the killer's roommate. What what ties to Antifa do

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Speaker 1: you think they have or to what degree were they radicalized?

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Speaker 1: You know, I know you've been doing a lot of

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Speaker 1: independent reporting as well. What have you learned so far

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Speaker 4: So I watched the live press conference when the name

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Speaker 4: of the suspect who's apprehended was released by Governor Cox,

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Speaker 4: and Governor Cox also stated what was written on the

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Speaker 4: rifle cartridges and the first reference being hey fascist exclamation mark,

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Speaker 4: catch exclamation mark? You know my eyes open is like

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Speaker 4: that's there's very little space to write on four cartridges.

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Speaker 4: And this is basically unless we find a manifesto. I

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Speaker 4: limited space was used for that particular choice of wards.

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Speaker 4: And then when the governor quoted from one of the

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Speaker 4: other cartridges, which were the lyrics of Belichow, like my

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Speaker 4: jaw dropped like this was a very specific dog whistle

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Speaker 4: to anti film in particular. Belich How is an old

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Speaker 4: Italian folk song and it was used by those during

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Speaker 4: the Second World War who oppose fascism in Hitler, and

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Speaker 4: in the decade since, lattists and communists and Antifa have

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Speaker 4: social media profiles. It's like their unofficial theme song. You

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Speaker 4: can think of it that way. And in twenty nineteen,

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Speaker 4: the same lyric. So I immediately like, that's what stood out

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Speaker 4: which unfortunately was then laundered into mainstream media La Times

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Speaker 3: And I looked at.

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Speaker 4: The evidence that they presented for that, and there was none.

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Speaker 4: The evidence was a Spotify playlist was five followers that

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Speaker 4: had the song on it remixed in a dance version

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Speaker 4: amongst dozens of other songs. And this is an account

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Speaker 4: just put out there as hey, like, maybe he meant

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Speaker 4: that online. So with that, we've learned other things. I

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Speaker 4: wasn't particularly surprised when Fox News first reported that, according

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Speaker 4: to sources, it was suspected that the roommate of the

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Speaker 4: suspect is not just a roommate but likely a lover

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Speaker 4: and who was transgender, and it did some on my

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Speaker 4: suspected user name of the roommate that was being used

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Speaker 4: on Steam. So with that news tip, I went in

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Speaker 4: video games, you can look on the username history, and

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Speaker 4: history and one of it was a variation of Lancelot,

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Speaker 4: with those exact old usernames to a TikTok that was

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Speaker 4: still active, a TikTok which had a video which showed

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Speaker 4: the face of the lover of the suspect gunman, and

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Speaker 4: so I was able to tie together, Oh, this was

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Speaker 3: And then I did more digging.

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Speaker 4: He used some of those old usernames also on Reddit,

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Speaker 4: and saw that Oh, he talked extensively about being transgender,

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Speaker 3: So this is a picture coming together.

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Speaker 4: And I know that there's been reporting that the FBI

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Speaker 3: Because of his support for radical.

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Speaker 4: Transgender ideology, and also that there are left wing groups

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Speaker 4: of inquiries that the FBI is doing. According to press reports,

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Speaker 4: been radicalized into some of the anti fear ideology that's

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Speaker 3: And I have not seen any other evidence.

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Speaker 4: Either through other reporting or through my own findings, that

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Speaker 3: Whoever, I did see.

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Speaker 4: That New York Posts reported that in recent weeks that

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Speaker 4: there were individuals allegedly coming in and out of that

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Speaker 4: attention to that sometimes with this violent extreamist radicalization, it

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Speaker 4: left wing, and The Guardian did report that a person

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Speaker 2: You know, we we hear the term trantifa.

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Speaker 1: I know John Lott with a crime prevention research center

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Speaker 1: told me about the transgender are overrepresented in committing mass murders,

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Speaker 1: are about seven times more than their share of the population.

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Speaker 1: That was after the Minnesota uh mass you know, mass

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Speaker 1: murder at the church. You know, with Trentifa, how tied

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Speaker 2: You know, what's the overlap there?

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Speaker 3: I guess so.

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Speaker 4: Uh. Trantifa was the term that I coined, and it

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Speaker 4: was to describe the phenomenon that I observed actually five

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Speaker 4: I just at that time anecdotally, not even not not

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Speaker 4: there were about a thousand arrestees.

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Speaker 3: That's a really huge data set.

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Speaker 4: For one city that had such radicalization in people who

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Speaker 4: So there's an observable phenomenon, and I think maybe what

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Speaker 4: maybe explaining that is that Antifa broadly as an ideology

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Speaker 4: So back in twenty eleven, around that time, it was

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Speaker 4: well as opposition Trump. That's how it mutated next, and

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Speaker 4: be surprised about that. The propaganda that was coming out

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Speaker 4: lot of people. And also the propaganda lies against Trump's

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Speaker 4: first administration also radicalized people to join some of these

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Speaker 4: twenty twenty, how it's mutated as BLAMA has become out

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Speaker 4: rhetoric that the transactivists are using or they're claiming that

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Speaker 4: they are opposing fascism, that they're so called denial of

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Speaker 4: that the US government is fascist, and that they are

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Speaker 4: victims of a genocide.

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Speaker 3: And that type of propaganda.

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Speaker 4: Has characterized not just fringe transactivism, but actually mainstream if

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Speaker 4: you go to any of their demonstrations, Lisa, maybe you've

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Speaker 4: They have booklets and texts which are used to radicalize

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Speaker 1: If you like what you're hearing, please share on social

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Speaker 1: You've spent a ton of time just on the ground

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Speaker 4: They want Their goal is to win by any means necessary.

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Speaker 3: That is the part that concerns.

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Speaker 4: We've seen how many people, for example, white collar positions

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Speaker 3: That's great. I hope it is eye opening.

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Speaker 1: No, it's it's been extremely eye opening before we go.

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Speaker 1: stop violence overall on both sides. And you know, is

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Speaker 1: or or you know, I guess what do we know

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Speaker 1: about where it's coming from? Is it a both sides

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Speaker 4: So this is a deflection tactic that those on the

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Speaker 4: get away with the lie that the accused terrorists or

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Speaker 4: they say, well, okay, he may be last wing, but

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Speaker 4: look at all this this research that's been done about

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Speaker 4: the real threats in America. And they always cite these

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Speaker 4: same few studies that are done by liberal organizations, liberal

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Speaker 4: the issue is a methodology for it's very hard to

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Speaker 4: categorize politically motivated crimes simply as like last wing or

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Speaker 4: right wing. I'll give you a few examples, and then

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Speaker 4: you and then I'll explain how this stuff gets excluded

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Speaker 4: You know, there's been a number of killings that are

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Speaker 4: quite that happened somewhat routinely somewhere in America where a

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Speaker 4: There were a few killings a few years ago in

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Speaker 4: Jersey City, for example, by a black nationalist suspect and

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Speaker 3: Where where do you map that on? Do you map

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Speaker 4: Because in the in the sort of the eyes and

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Speaker 4: a black person who's accused of that. Where do you

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Speaker 4: map it? Oh, they exclude that data. It doesn't really

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Speaker 4: fit into this data set. What about jihadism. It's religious fundamentalism,

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Speaker 4: but it's also Islam, which is called by the left.

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Speaker 4: So do you map that on left or right? Oh,

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Speaker 4: will exclude that. You know, we that that doesn't fit

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Speaker 4: that's what happens with some of these screenshots that are

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Speaker 4: coming out of these charts that are showing it's a

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Speaker 4: deflection tactic. You know, this is not a game or

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Speaker 4: race about arguing who's more evil than who. There's a

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Speaker 4: have killed. What really disturbs me is the denial when

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Speaker 4: don't want to admit that it happens because they know

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Speaker 4: in some part that they play a role in creating

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Speaker 4: this environment where their political opponents can be dehumanized with impunity.

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Speaker 4: And there's some research that's coming out now, particularly after

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Speaker 4: several high profiles asassination attempts and successful assassinations in the

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Speaker 4: US that.

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Speaker 3: Has polled.

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Speaker 4: Surveyed, I should say left wing and right wing respondents

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Speaker 4: asking for their views on is it acceptable to assassinate

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Speaker 4: Donald Trump? For example, one study at a out of

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Speaker 4: a research organization at Rutgers found that over fifty percent

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Speaker 4: of those who identified as left of center said yes,

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Speaker 4: it's justifiable in some way. So that that is the

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Speaker 4: data that these people don't want you to see.

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Speaker 2: And very disturbing.

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Speaker 1: Go check out Unmasked and sign Antifa's radical plan to

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Speaker 1: destroy Democracy, Who is a bestseller? Andy, thanks so much

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Speaker 1: for taking the time. I learned so much from you

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Speaker 1: in this conversation. Stay safe and will continue to look

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Speaker 1: out for your work. So we really appreciate you in

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Speaker 1: the time. This was so interesting. I learned a lot

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Speaker 1: from you.

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Speaker 4: Thank you, and my substock is ngocomment dot com.

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Speaker 2: That was Andy No.

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Speaker 1: Appreciate him for taking the time to come on the show.

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Speaker 1: Appreciate you guys at home for listening every Tuesday and Thursday,

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Speaker 1: but you can listen throughout the week. I also want

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Speaker 1: to thank John Cassio and my producer for putting the

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Speaker 1: show together.

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Speaker 2: Until next time,