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Speaker 1: It's time to get inside the Giantshuttle on Giants dot

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Speaker 1: Com the Giants Podcast. Hello everybody, and welcome to the

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Speaker 1: special Round one draft reaction edition of the Giant Shuttle Podcast.

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Speaker 1: John Schmelk, paulled A, Tino Lancebatta with you will react

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Speaker 1: to the Giant selections the number five and seven overall

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Speaker 1: and the name should sound familiar to anybody that's listened

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Speaker 1: to our draft content this year. With the fifth overall pick,

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Speaker 1: the Giants select Cavan Thibodeaux, defensive in that Oregon. At

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Speaker 1: number seven overall, they select Evan Neil, offensive tackle out

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Speaker 1: of the University of Alabama. So very briefly, guys, let's

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Speaker 1: talk about the players first and then we'll move on

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Speaker 1: from there. Cavon Thibodau, we talked about it on tape,

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Speaker 1: the most talented pass rusher in this draft can win

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Speaker 1: in a variety of ways, has a great get off,

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Speaker 1: has been considered up for the number one overall pick

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Speaker 1: in this draft since he was a recruit out of

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Speaker 1: high school. Then you have Evan Neil six seven, three

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Speaker 1: thirty seven, started three years at three different offensive line

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Speaker 1: positions out of Alabama, right tackle, left tackle, left guard,

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Speaker 1: so a very versatile lineman, great athlete, just huge, thirty

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Speaker 1: four inch arms carries that three thirty five better than

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Speaker 1: anyone in this draft. He was a team captain consensus

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Speaker 1: All American. Go down the list, A lot of people

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Speaker 1: considered in the top tackle in the draft. So the Giants,

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Speaker 1: if you want to go at the tape, based on

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Speaker 1: a lot of people's projections, got the best pure pass

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Speaker 1: rusher with the most upside, and then maybe the offensive

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Speaker 1: tackle that could be the number one offensive tackle in

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Speaker 1: this draft, depending on who you talk to. And we'll

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Speaker 1: talk about the strategy involved in those pis. But Paul,

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Speaker 1: I was with you on the field at the stadium.

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Speaker 1: I enjoyed watching your overwrought reaction as you might expect,

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Speaker 1: giving your thoughts on Thibodeau and Neil at five and seven. Well,

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Speaker 1: quickly on on Thibodeaux. The thing about him is that

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Speaker 1: his get off at the snap is very unique. I

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Speaker 1: know what, he could not only play down, he could

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Speaker 1: He wins because of that anticipation and that quickness right

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Speaker 1: at the snap of the ball. He's got the bend,

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Speaker 1: the flexibility, the ability to turn the corner and make

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Speaker 1: no mistake about it, He's gonna have to add some

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Speaker 1: And by I'll throw in length to pull he has.

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Speaker 1: He does. He has length to there's no question about that.

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Speaker 1: And so Um physically his one huge advantage. And by

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Speaker 1: the way, he also has has some moves too. He's

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Speaker 1: not a one trick Oh No, he can win and

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Speaker 1: he is winning with a variety of past any other

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Speaker 1: That's why he called him the best pure pass rusher. Right.

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Speaker 1: He can win in the largest variety of ways. So

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Speaker 1: for all those reasons. Okay, the giants looked at him,

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Speaker 1: Versatility by meaning he can be played up or down. Uh.

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Speaker 1: Once again, track record, you mentioned the versatility. John played

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Speaker 1: what Joe Shane has been doing for the past two

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Speaker 1: said with all the off season editions, they have definitely

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Speaker 1: upgraded their offensive line, and he said, if everybody comes

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Speaker 1: through and everybody's healthy, it could actually be a position

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Speaker 1: of strength. Yes, correct, he did say that, John and fairness,

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Speaker 1: I think before Evan Neal takes a snap, it's hard

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Speaker 1: to correct. So I mean I would always get the

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Speaker 1: benefit of the has some veterans. That'sent you, I got you,

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Speaker 1: I got you. Um two oh one nine four or

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Speaker 1: five one three. We're not taking calls today, but we

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Speaker 1: will tomorrow on Big Big Blue Kickoff live here at noon.

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Speaker 1: All right, guys, let's take a look at what else

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Speaker 1: is happening in the draft or recording this. Uh. Thee

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Speaker 1: pick in the first round just went off the board. Uh,

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Speaker 1: the Kansas City Chiefs. It looks like they moved up

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Speaker 1: with the New England Patriots. I didn't catch the details

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Speaker 1: of that trade. Um, there's been a bunch of trades,

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Speaker 1: none of the top ten, and they picked Trent McDuffie.

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Speaker 1: And right now the biggest upset guys and lands. You

446
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Speaker 1: must be frothing at the mouth there. Your man Jermaine

447
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Speaker 1: Johnson is still on the board after pick twenty one. Oh,

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Speaker 1: somebody's gonna get a steel John. That would be my

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Speaker 1: response to you. I'm really surprised. And we only had

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Speaker 1: one quarterback taken thus far, Kenny Pickett staying at home

451
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Speaker 1: going to the Pittsburgh Steelers, and Malik Willis, if you remember,

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Speaker 1: was tied to the Steelers an awful lot leading up

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Speaker 1: to the draft. So you know, that's another somewhat surprised

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Speaker 1: that I would throw in there. But yeah, Jermaine Johnson,

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Speaker 1: who everybody was talking about his stock skyrocketing leading up

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Speaker 1: to the draft, right that maybe he could sneak into

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Speaker 1: the top ten to still be on the board. Something

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Speaker 1: tells me I just think maybe a lot of teams

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Speaker 1: are maybe a little bit concerned about that one season

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Speaker 1: at Florida State and banking on that being him scratching

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Speaker 1: the surface, is opposed to them being a little bit

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Speaker 1: more securant players that have multiple years on tape, like

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Speaker 1: a Thibodeaux who were talking about earlier, who obviously went

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Speaker 1: to the Giants, and there were some whispers to about

465
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Speaker 1: having to, you know, do some maintenance on them with

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Speaker 1: off the field stuff. But here, and I'm talking, seems

467
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Speaker 1: like a pretty mature young man. So, uh, yeah, that's

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Speaker 1: a surprise. You mentioned picket lance. There's been a million trades.

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Speaker 1: I can't go through all of them. Uh. The big

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Speaker 1: one is that the Philadelphia Eagles have a wide receiver

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Speaker 1: that the Giants are now gonna have to deal with,

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Speaker 1: a J. Brown going from the Titans to the Eagles,

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Speaker 1: and the Titans picking up the Eagles pick at eighteen,

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Speaker 1: and then they picked the guy that's been calmed to

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Speaker 1: a J. Brown. This entire draft process in trail On Burnight.

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Speaker 1: So oh, you want to replace a J. Brown? Okay,

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Speaker 1: how about the guy would not have to pay for

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Speaker 1: three years? Okay, here comes trail On Burks. The eagles

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Speaker 1: other pick was Jordan Davis. Shocking Howry Roseman making two

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Speaker 1: trades in the first round, moving up for Jordan Davis

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Speaker 1: and then trading out of that pick, uh to get

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Speaker 1: a J. Brown. Other upsets. There's been a lot of

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Speaker 1: wide receiver guys. We've had six wide receivers off the

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Speaker 1: board in the first eighteen picks, which is a little

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Speaker 1: bit nuts. Both guards of Giant fans were excited about

486
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Speaker 1: one of those two guards dropping to the Giants to

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Speaker 1: thirty six. Well, that ain't happening. Kenyan Green off the

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Speaker 1: board at fifteen, Zion Johnson off the board at seventeen.

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Speaker 1: Kenyan Green Houston had traded down, they select him at fifteen,

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Speaker 1: and then the Chargers who had been linked to Zion Johnson.

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Speaker 1: But by guess, they're gonna try to move Filer out

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Speaker 1: to tackle, and um, they're gonna have Zion Johnson slide

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Speaker 1: in their guard then to try to solve their offensive

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Speaker 1: line problem. So, um, that's a good problem. I've well,

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Speaker 1: my point is that that's how they're gonna fix the

496
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Speaker 1: right tackle problems, the guard outside, and they're gonna put

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Speaker 1: Zion Filer has some experience, so he remember came over

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Speaker 1: for the Pittsburgh Steelers. He's a proven veteran. Seattle drafting

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Speaker 1: Charles Cross salving their offensive line issues. The Saints get

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Speaker 1: their replacement tackle for Toronto Armstead. I believe we mocked

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Speaker 1: um Trevor Penning to the Saints in our mock draft

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Speaker 1: on Thursday afternoon. If I recall right, I will happily

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Speaker 1: pat myself on the back for that. Um. Shockingly, the

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Speaker 1: Ravens just sit at fourteen and a perspective first round

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Speaker 1: pick falls in their lap shocking that the Ravens would

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Speaker 1: have such great luck fall in their direction. We've never

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Speaker 1: seen that before. The Ravens ever had big players just

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Speaker 1: fault to them. It's really unbelieved. Hamilton's gonna have big

509
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Speaker 1: shoes to fill. Ed Reid was the greatest safety in

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Speaker 1: franchise history. That's true. But luckily he has a few

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Speaker 1: years since Ed Reid. He does, He's got more than

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Speaker 1: a few years to catch up Reid. Yes, yes, I saying,

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Speaker 1: well that Patrick Queen, he's got to replace ray Lewis.

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Speaker 1: That's gonna be a problem. But again I mentioned all

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Speaker 1: those wide receivers. And now here's the interesting part here, guys.

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Speaker 1: These Packer fans are sitting there and they're like, what's

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Speaker 1: going on here? What wide receiver are we taken? We're

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Speaker 1: gonna find out there on the clock right now, the

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Speaker 1: pick is in. We'll wait for that pick and then

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Speaker 1: I guess, guys, anything else jump out at you, and

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Speaker 1: then we'll talk about the Giants options in the second round.

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Speaker 1: Before we say, well, I was adjusting my computer. Did

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Speaker 1: you mention the fact that that all that stuff that

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Speaker 1: we heard in the last couple of weeks about willis

525
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Speaker 1: to Pittsburgh clearly wasn't going down because by the way,

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Speaker 1: the hometown guy, they had been connected to both guys.

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Speaker 1: But ye, Willis was heavier for sure. Um. So that

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Speaker 1: that that's the only other thing that that I thought.

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Speaker 1: And and you know what, Detroit taking Williams when there

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Speaker 1: are some people who are concerned about that neat thing. Um.

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Speaker 1: And yet there were others as it got closer and

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Speaker 1: closer to the draft who said, you know, that's not

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Speaker 1: a problem. He's gonna go high. I shouldn't mention the

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Speaker 1: trade people like, how did the Troy at Jamison Williams

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Speaker 1: and they move They got the twelfth pick and number

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Speaker 1: forty six back for pick thirty two, thirty four and

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Speaker 1: sixty six, So pretty good deal for Detroit. They did

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Speaker 1: not have to give up a ton to move on

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Speaker 1: twenty spots there. So I thought that was a really

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Speaker 1: good deal. I'll read that to you again. Oh quay

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Speaker 1: Walker to the Packers get their wide receiver. Yet my

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Speaker 1: own personal knock draft, that's what I had today for

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Speaker 1: for them picking Quait Walkers. But but you know, you know,

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Speaker 1: I think a lot of folks thought he'd be late late, first,

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Speaker 1: early second. That's a little hot. Well, my guess is

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Speaker 1: that they had in Pencillen for twenty eight after picking

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Speaker 1: the receiver at twenty two, and they're like, oh, no receiver.

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Speaker 1: Why why don't they go after Watson? No? Yeah, they could,

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Speaker 1: They could more Pickens, right, true? Yeah, I mean I

550
00:27:28,800 --> 00:27:30,480
Speaker 1: think there too. You don't think sky Wore is a

551
00:27:30,520 --> 00:27:33,879
Speaker 1: good Randall Cobra place another one, But they could have

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Speaker 1: figured that one of those guys in all likelihood will

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Speaker 1: be there at twenty eight. So let's address another position now,

554
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Speaker 1: which we may not be able to go. I have

555
00:27:41,600 --> 00:27:46,359
Speaker 1: a trade. The Buffalo Bills are moving up to the

556
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Speaker 1: twenty third selection here and they're gonna be on the clock.

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00:27:50,520 --> 00:27:53,119
Speaker 1: Baltimore was it three previously, right? Lands don't have that

558
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Speaker 1: right or have that incorrect? Yeah, Baltimore has traded the

559
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Speaker 1: pick to the Buffalo Bills for twenty five and one thirty,

560
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Speaker 1: and the Ravens just officially announced that trade. So I'm

561
00:28:04,119 --> 00:28:06,760
Speaker 1: reading it right from Baltimore and I we're gonna hang out. Well,

562
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Speaker 1: we'll hang out until until Dallas picks, since that's a

563
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Speaker 1: Giants rival, we'll hang out until they picked that pick. Well,

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Speaker 1: while we hang out, can I just bring up a

565
00:28:15,280 --> 00:28:18,639
Speaker 1: few things that jump out to me because I think

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Speaker 1: there's some big picture themes here that I think are

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Speaker 1: reported for us to get to number one. We fielded

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Speaker 1: a lot of calls on Big Blue Kickoff Live about

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Speaker 1: the Giants would be great to move down to get

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Speaker 1: a first round pick, and John, all those trades you

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Speaker 1: went through, notice not one team okay, acquired an additional

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Speaker 1: first round pick next year the highest. The highest pick

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Speaker 1: was thirty four that got moved into the into Detroit

574
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Speaker 1: trade and that had forty six going back the other way. Well,

575
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Speaker 1: and that Vikings Lions trade. That was a twenty spot

576
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Speaker 1: maneuver we're talking about, and they still didn't get a

577
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Speaker 1: first round pick. So I think that's one important takeaway,

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Speaker 1: especially since there are a lot of Giants fans that

579
00:29:00,240 --> 00:29:02,520
Speaker 1: had the dreams of grandeur that you know, they should

580
00:29:02,560 --> 00:29:05,239
Speaker 1: just stockpile first round picks next year. Well, we've had

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00:29:05,360 --> 00:29:08,800
Speaker 1: multiple examples and not one first round pick has exchanged

582
00:29:08,880 --> 00:29:12,120
Speaker 1: hands in terms of future assets. So that's the one

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00:29:12,440 --> 00:29:14,560
Speaker 1: thing that jumped out to me. The other thing was,

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Speaker 1: and you guys were alluding to a high volume of

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Speaker 1: wide receivers, Well, why is it? Why are teams right

586
00:29:20,640 --> 00:29:23,760
Speaker 1: don't we think about when teams make an aggressive move up,

587
00:29:23,840 --> 00:29:26,880
Speaker 1: it's probably for a quarterback or something else. Well, why

588
00:29:27,040 --> 00:29:29,240
Speaker 1: is there a movement for wide receivers? What have we

589
00:29:29,360 --> 00:29:32,320
Speaker 1: seen this offseason? What have we seen in the recent market?

590
00:29:32,560 --> 00:29:35,040
Speaker 1: A lot of wide receivers. Guys are getting paid. A J.

591
00:29:35,240 --> 00:29:38,200
Speaker 1: Brown got traded, he wanted a new contract. Deebo Samuel

592
00:29:38,200 --> 00:29:39,920
Speaker 1: will see if he gets moved. And oh, by the way,

593
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Speaker 1: A J. Brown and Deebo Samuel represented by the same agent.

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Speaker 1: For those of you just want to get keep that

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Speaker 1: in mind because remember Samuel was rumored to be traded. Well,

596
00:29:48,800 --> 00:29:52,320
Speaker 1: his other client, A J. Brown gets moved before Deebo Samuel.

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00:29:52,400 --> 00:29:54,640
Speaker 1: But the point is, I think a lot of teams

598
00:29:54,680 --> 00:29:58,400
Speaker 1: are saying, if we grab a wide receiver and we

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Speaker 1: have the fifth year option and the franchise tag, I mean,

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Speaker 1: good luck if you get that far without rewarding the

601
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Speaker 1: guy with a new contract. And am not threatening to

602
00:30:06,200 --> 00:30:09,200
Speaker 1: hold out, but you feel a little bit more secure

603
00:30:09,280 --> 00:30:11,560
Speaker 1: in terms of the wiggle room for the cap space

604
00:30:12,080 --> 00:30:16,440
Speaker 1: by having a rookie wide receiver than paying a wide

605
00:30:16,480 --> 00:30:19,600
Speaker 1: receiver that's already do the second contract and maybe you

606
00:30:19,680 --> 00:30:21,880
Speaker 1: can get guy that's can come in year one, and

607
00:30:21,960 --> 00:30:25,080
Speaker 1: we've seen this right, multiple years should make a significant impact.

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Speaker 1: So I think those two be are the two takeaways

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Speaker 1: from all of these trades that we've seen, by the way,

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Speaker 1: and let me just add to that real quick ball.

611
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Speaker 1: Good teams are figuring out if you're paying a quarterback

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Speaker 1: big money, it's hard to pay a receiver big money too,

613
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Speaker 1: so simultaneously, it's hard to do both at the same time.

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Speaker 1: And they would have any other position, John, and I

615
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Speaker 1: mean to cut you off from it. You can say

616
00:30:48,840 --> 00:30:50,960
Speaker 1: that pass rusher or whatever you want to, but I

617
00:30:51,080 --> 00:30:55,680
Speaker 1: think they believe that they can take the great quarterback,

618
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Speaker 1: add lesser wide receivers and still be good enough off pensively,

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Speaker 1: while they would rather spend the funds on pass rushers

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Speaker 1: like the Chiefs are. We didn't trade Chris Jones, they

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Speaker 1: didn't get rid of Frank Clark. You know, they've decided

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00:31:10,040 --> 00:31:12,440
Speaker 1: to move on from Tyree Hill instead. So I think

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Speaker 1: that's a theme we're seeing since so many wide receivers

624
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Speaker 1: are coming out in the draft, that teams say, all right,

625
00:31:17,560 --> 00:31:20,200
Speaker 1: look we'll find the cheaper one. Maybe he's not gonna

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00:31:20,240 --> 00:31:23,040
Speaker 1: be exactly as good as Tyreek Hill. Or Davante Adams

627
00:31:23,160 --> 00:31:26,800
Speaker 1: or whatever. But we'll find one because it's too hard

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Speaker 1: cap wise, with these receiver salaries now popping over million dollars,

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Speaker 1: quarterbacks and making forty million dollars, you pay a quarterback

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Speaker 1: and a receiver that's thirty of your cap. It's a lot.

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Speaker 1: That's a big part of your cap for two players

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Speaker 1: that impact the same part of your team on the

633
00:31:44,920 --> 00:31:47,040
Speaker 1: same side of the ball. But another example, by the way,

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Speaker 1: the Packers invested in Preston Smith and traded way Davante Adams,

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Speaker 1: so that'd be another example for sure, Paul glad I'm sorry, no, no,

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Speaker 1: it's a good point that you made. I'm just gonna

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Speaker 1: go back to one other thing, which I don't think

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Speaker 1: we were stress too much of, because in the last

639
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Speaker 1: several days there were more and more mocks saying that

640
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Speaker 1: that Trayvon Walker could potentially be the number one guy

641
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Speaker 1: to Jacksonville. That's the way the heat was going, right,

642
00:32:11,480 --> 00:32:14,320
Speaker 1: and it turned out to be true. Let's not forget

643
00:32:14,840 --> 00:32:21,800
Speaker 1: that is a huge gamble risk projection. So state a projection,

644
00:32:22,560 --> 00:32:25,760
Speaker 1: but number one pick overall in the draft, and you

645
00:32:26,000 --> 00:32:29,880
Speaker 1: stick your neck about ten feet out into that guillotine

646
00:32:30,520 --> 00:32:34,840
Speaker 1: to say we're gonna take this projection. Give Trent Balchi credit. Man,

647
00:32:35,200 --> 00:32:37,760
Speaker 1: that guy is okay putting his neck out there. Man,

648
00:32:38,560 --> 00:32:41,680
Speaker 1: how good does he have to be to make that

649
00:32:42,120 --> 00:32:44,560
Speaker 1: a justifiable pick three years down the road. And I

650
00:32:44,560 --> 00:32:47,520
Speaker 1: don't even say this. At least Stingley showed he was

651
00:32:47,560 --> 00:32:52,760
Speaker 1: an unbelievably undeniably great player for a year. That's that's

652
00:32:52,840 --> 00:32:58,360
Speaker 1: my right, right. Walker is still to me mostly projection.

653
00:32:58,960 --> 00:33:02,880
Speaker 1: Stingley at least add some tape Walker if they think

654
00:33:02,960 --> 00:33:05,600
Speaker 1: he's going to be a dynamic pass rusher off the edge.

655
00:33:06,360 --> 00:33:10,640
Speaker 1: That is mostly based strictly on faith and projection. That

656
00:33:10,760 --> 00:33:15,000
Speaker 1: I'm telling you man, in three years, boy, if that

657
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Speaker 1: pick doesn't pan out to be a mega hit, Lance,

658
00:33:20,360 --> 00:33:22,840
Speaker 1: that is that guillotine is gonna come down hard. No,

659
00:33:22,920 --> 00:33:24,760
Speaker 1: I don't disagree with you, Paul. The other thing I

660
00:33:24,880 --> 00:33:28,880
Speaker 1: think is it's the being enamored with the measurements type

661
00:33:28,880 --> 00:33:32,040
Speaker 1: of thought process with Walker and just thinking that all

662
00:33:32,120 --> 00:33:33,720
Speaker 1: of that stuff is going to translate. The other thing

663
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Speaker 1: that I would add to your point, Paul is sometimes

664
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Speaker 1: you know you have a team draft in the top

665
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Speaker 1: five which made the playoffs or has their act together

666
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Speaker 1: because they made a trade in the previous year or whatever.

667
00:33:44,280 --> 00:33:46,920
Speaker 1: Maybe it's not like Jacksonville can't use a guy to

668
00:33:47,040 --> 00:33:50,960
Speaker 1: come in this year, right and make an impact. You

669
00:33:51,000 --> 00:33:53,240
Speaker 1: know that. That's the other thing that's a little bit surprised.

670
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Speaker 1: My point is if Jacksonville was in a position where

671
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Speaker 1: they had, like San Francisco, where you had a bunch

672
00:33:59,240 --> 00:34:02,600
Speaker 1: of defense lineman, you figure, Okay, this protects you because

673
00:34:02,640 --> 00:34:05,200
Speaker 1: the guys do free agency the next year, so he

674
00:34:05,320 --> 00:34:08,480
Speaker 1: can now take his spot. Okay, I get that mindset,

675
00:34:08,600 --> 00:34:10,879
Speaker 1: But the Jaguars they need a guy that's gonna come

676
00:34:10,960 --> 00:34:14,000
Speaker 1: in and help this team immediately. Even if you didn't

677
00:34:14,040 --> 00:34:15,680
Speaker 1: want to do it on the defensive side of the ball,

678
00:34:15,719 --> 00:34:17,680
Speaker 1: I would have argued you could have taken a tackle

679
00:34:17,840 --> 00:34:19,520
Speaker 1: on the offensive side of the ball to help your

680
00:34:19,719 --> 00:34:23,000
Speaker 1: young quarterback Trevor Lawrence. So that's why it's even a

681
00:34:23,080 --> 00:34:27,000
Speaker 1: bit more of a head scratcher. I understand Doug Peterson

682
00:34:27,120 --> 00:34:29,800
Speaker 1: may feel he has security because he was just hired,

683
00:34:30,239 --> 00:34:33,400
Speaker 1: But yeah, for Trent PALKI who I mean, you were

684
00:34:33,520 --> 00:34:36,120
Speaker 1: really putting yourself out there in terms of this selection.

685
00:34:36,520 --> 00:34:39,040
Speaker 1: All right, guys, let's start talking about the Giants here

686
00:34:39,040 --> 00:34:41,200
Speaker 1: and round number two. As players go that the Giants

687
00:34:41,320 --> 00:34:43,680
Speaker 1: might be interested in the bills traded up. We thought

688
00:34:43,719 --> 00:34:47,000
Speaker 1: they wanted a cornerback. Kyrie Elam is there? Pick at

689
00:34:47,040 --> 00:34:51,640
Speaker 1: twenty three now douses up at twenty four, Tyler linder

690
00:34:51,680 --> 00:34:54,920
Speaker 1: Bomb still on the board, Jermaine Johnson still on the board,

691
00:34:55,560 --> 00:35:00,400
Speaker 1: Devin Lloyd still on the board, and Karl Office and Becketty.

692
00:35:00,480 --> 00:35:02,239
Speaker 1: Those are the guys that are the highest left on

693
00:35:02,400 --> 00:35:05,719
Speaker 1: my personal list here along with Sky more of the

694
00:35:05,760 --> 00:35:07,720
Speaker 1: guys left on the board. Paul, you had something on Elam.

695
00:35:07,840 --> 00:35:10,600
Speaker 1: Comment about Elam, and you know because we discussed this

696
00:35:10,680 --> 00:35:12,759
Speaker 1: the last couple of days. He was my dream pick

697
00:35:12,840 --> 00:35:15,080
Speaker 1: for the Giants at thirty six. That's you said you

698
00:35:15,160 --> 00:35:17,640
Speaker 1: didn't think he'd make it. He didn't make it, Okay,

699
00:35:17,880 --> 00:35:21,120
Speaker 1: But there's still two guys there, Kylo Gordon is there? Yes?

700
00:35:21,400 --> 00:35:23,839
Speaker 1: And Booth is there? That is true? That is true.

701
00:35:23,880 --> 00:35:26,960
Speaker 1: Are those the guys right now that you're tracking as

702
00:35:27,040 --> 00:35:30,040
Speaker 1: prime targets for the Giants corners? I'd have to be

703
00:35:30,480 --> 00:35:34,040
Speaker 1: tracking those guys because as the radar is falling here

704
00:35:34,560 --> 00:35:36,600
Speaker 1: and we know the corners are starting to go, if

705
00:35:36,640 --> 00:35:38,600
Speaker 1: there's a run and those two guys are gone, which

706
00:35:38,680 --> 00:35:41,160
Speaker 1: is logical, the Giants are gonna have to go elsewhere.

707
00:35:41,200 --> 00:35:42,759
Speaker 1: But that's not really what I wanted to the point.

708
00:35:42,760 --> 00:35:45,040
Speaker 1: I wanted to make sorry go ahead. Earlier today, I

709
00:35:45,200 --> 00:35:47,440
Speaker 1: was on Buffalo Radio w g R, the flagship of

710
00:35:47,480 --> 00:35:52,279
Speaker 1: the Bills. They specifically started asking me questions about Bradbury.

711
00:35:52,920 --> 00:35:55,320
Speaker 1: They were fishing for a corner and they didn't know

712
00:35:55,360 --> 00:35:56,839
Speaker 1: if they were going to get one in the draft.

713
00:35:56,880 --> 00:35:59,719
Speaker 1: They did, and he They were asking me about what

714
00:36:00,040 --> 00:36:02,320
Speaker 1: is Bradberry like last year? What? What kind of player

715
00:36:02,480 --> 00:36:05,560
Speaker 1: is he? How good was he the year before? Clearly

716
00:36:06,120 --> 00:36:10,120
Speaker 1: the the winds in Buffalo must have been that they

717
00:36:10,280 --> 00:36:14,640
Speaker 1: had some interest in Bradbury. Now, Joe Shane himself said

718
00:36:14,719 --> 00:36:17,719
Speaker 1: today what happened here at the draft had nothing to

719
00:36:17,840 --> 00:36:20,680
Speaker 1: do with bradberry status and that has no impact on

720
00:36:20,760 --> 00:36:23,560
Speaker 1: what what they're gonna do it correct, correct, But I

721
00:36:23,800 --> 00:36:27,960
Speaker 1: offer that to you that Buffalo Radio seemed very interested

722
00:36:28,000 --> 00:36:30,400
Speaker 1: in Bradbury today. And now Elam has been taken by

723
00:36:30,400 --> 00:36:32,279
Speaker 1: the Bills. All right, so let's talk here, Lens. Let's

724
00:36:32,280 --> 00:36:33,880
Speaker 1: you have something quick on that, very quickly. Well, I

725
00:36:33,920 --> 00:36:36,239
Speaker 1: was just gonna say, Shane and Brandon Bean, something tells

726
00:36:36,280 --> 00:36:39,239
Speaker 1: me they've had previous problems good point that they can

727
00:36:39,280 --> 00:36:43,520
Speaker 1: work something out. That's so let's have a conversation here, Um,

728
00:36:44,320 --> 00:36:47,799
Speaker 1: should we just eliminate pass Rusher as a possibility here

729
00:36:47,840 --> 00:36:50,399
Speaker 1: in round two because of what just happened. I think

730
00:36:50,480 --> 00:36:53,120
Speaker 1: you have to eliminate it. Because Shane's already said there

731
00:36:53,200 --> 00:36:55,320
Speaker 1: was such a cavern anyway, So I think the value

732
00:36:55,440 --> 00:36:57,040
Speaker 1: was also going to be a problem. And we don't

733
00:36:57,040 --> 00:36:59,960
Speaker 1: think we're gonna we're gonna elminate offensive tackles, a post

734
00:37:00,000 --> 00:37:02,000
Speaker 1: ability to write business. I think you half tackles. Okay,

735
00:37:02,080 --> 00:37:03,920
Speaker 1: I'm just I just want to set our parameters here

736
00:37:03,920 --> 00:37:06,080
Speaker 1: as we have this discussion now, Okay, and the guys,

737
00:37:06,120 --> 00:37:09,080
Speaker 1: I know where it's right now. Some of these guys

738
00:37:09,120 --> 00:37:10,800
Speaker 1: might end up going off the board if that happens,

739
00:37:10,800 --> 00:37:13,160
Speaker 1: I apologize. But the guys were keeping an eye in

740
00:37:13,200 --> 00:37:16,600
Speaker 1: there for for for that pick guys for me Linderbaum

741
00:37:16,680 --> 00:37:19,319
Speaker 1: if he's still there, Devin Lloyd if he's still there.

742
00:37:20,920 --> 00:37:23,200
Speaker 1: And I guess, then the two corners Kylo Gordon, Andrew

743
00:37:23,239 --> 00:37:25,680
Speaker 1: Bruth and then the three safeties that are second round

744
00:37:25,719 --> 00:37:31,359
Speaker 1: safety Pete das Hill has not gone picked, and Lewis

745
00:37:31,400 --> 00:37:33,120
Speaker 1: Scene I think that he was gonna be gone he

746
00:37:33,239 --> 00:37:34,759
Speaker 1: was gonna be gone Lance, who else are you keeping

747
00:37:34,800 --> 00:37:36,359
Speaker 1: an eye? And and yeah, who else are you keeping

748
00:37:36,400 --> 00:37:38,120
Speaker 1: one online? When I was gonna say, I don't know

749
00:37:38,280 --> 00:37:41,080
Speaker 1: if I would remove pass Russia guys. I understand what

750
00:37:41,200 --> 00:37:42,840
Speaker 1: he said, but just because he said there was a

751
00:37:42,960 --> 00:37:45,200
Speaker 1: drop off doesn't mean that once you start the second

752
00:37:45,360 --> 00:37:47,840
Speaker 1: round that you don't have guys that are maybe in

753
00:37:47,960 --> 00:37:51,640
Speaker 1: that ballpark. He was interesting. We both talked about how

754
00:37:51,719 --> 00:37:54,560
Speaker 1: Carl Loft this is not a straight edge, correct? Could

755
00:37:54,560 --> 00:37:59,040
Speaker 1: they think about him as a three for d end. Look,

756
00:37:59,160 --> 00:38:01,320
Speaker 1: I may not be already big on him, but someone's

757
00:38:01,320 --> 00:38:03,279
Speaker 1: going to take him in the next twelve picks. I

758
00:38:03,320 --> 00:38:05,080
Speaker 1: don't think he's gonna get okay, but that is someone

759
00:38:05,120 --> 00:38:06,680
Speaker 1: I think we have to keep in mind because he's

760
00:38:06,719 --> 00:38:08,680
Speaker 1: not a pure edge. I think Lands makes a good

761
00:38:08,680 --> 00:38:11,480
Speaker 1: point that he's not a pure edge. So maybe he's

762
00:38:11,480 --> 00:38:13,719
Speaker 1: a guy that could be in the mix too. Yeah,

763
00:38:13,800 --> 00:38:18,240
Speaker 1: I I suppose because the versatility and his his ability

764
00:38:18,520 --> 00:38:21,320
Speaker 1: to play up and down the line is something that

765
00:38:21,400 --> 00:38:23,640
Speaker 1: we've always talked about. WENK Martin, who loves those guys.

766
00:38:23,680 --> 00:38:26,640
Speaker 1: Who else Lands do you have in the mix? Well, boy,

767
00:38:26,680 --> 00:38:28,719
Speaker 1: a Mafe is still on the board and once again.

768
00:38:28,760 --> 00:38:30,840
Speaker 1: I know I'm naming edge rushers here, but I'm just

769
00:38:30,960 --> 00:38:34,239
Speaker 1: I'm looking at some players from a value standpoint. That's

770
00:38:34,280 --> 00:38:37,719
Speaker 1: what I'm looking at. It not necessarily overwhelming need for

771
00:38:37,840 --> 00:38:40,880
Speaker 1: the Giants because they did take Tivod though. But I mean,

772
00:38:40,920 --> 00:38:44,880
Speaker 1: I think you guys pretty much named the others. The

773
00:38:45,040 --> 00:38:47,560
Speaker 1: only other one that I'll mention is I don't think

774
00:38:48,120 --> 00:38:51,040
Speaker 1: Christian Harris. Yeah, Christian Asks is a good one linebacker

775
00:38:51,080 --> 00:38:53,040
Speaker 1: from Alabama. I'll throw him in there, and and the

776
00:38:53,160 --> 00:38:55,520
Speaker 1: Kobe Dean by the way linebacker at a Georgia too.

777
00:38:56,440 --> 00:38:59,800
Speaker 1: And you know what, Yep, Brisker. Brisker is not that

778
00:39:00,000 --> 00:39:02,640
Speaker 1: throw off in that vicinity though he's not. So these

779
00:39:02,680 --> 00:39:04,800
Speaker 1: are all guys you could be talking about. Why and

780
00:39:05,160 --> 00:39:06,960
Speaker 1: I mentioned you Spenttioned Jones Whyatt has to be in

781
00:39:07,000 --> 00:39:08,960
Speaker 1: the I thought he'd be I thought he'd be gone,

782
00:39:09,040 --> 00:39:11,000
Speaker 1: and I you know, I think both of those guys

783
00:39:11,040 --> 00:39:13,359
Speaker 1: are probably gonna go. Yeah, so do I I think

784
00:39:13,400 --> 00:39:15,719
Speaker 1: You're probably right? Yeah. I mean, if you're looking at

785
00:39:15,760 --> 00:39:18,120
Speaker 1: a guard in that spot at linder bomb the center,

786
00:39:18,600 --> 00:39:20,360
Speaker 1: you know, I don't. I think it's too early for

787
00:39:20,480 --> 00:39:23,759
Speaker 1: like the Jamari Saliers and the Dylan Parham's guys, I

788
00:39:23,800 --> 00:39:26,120
Speaker 1: think a little bit too early for them. John, I

789
00:39:26,200 --> 00:39:28,200
Speaker 1: have to tell you, though, I'm not I'm not as

790
00:39:28,280 --> 00:39:31,719
Speaker 1: high on Linda Baum. I understand. I do understand. The

791
00:39:31,880 --> 00:39:34,000
Speaker 1: undersized thing is a problem. You wouldn't pick him at

792
00:39:34,000 --> 00:39:36,279
Speaker 1: thirty sex. I couldn't, I couldn't, and I would and

793
00:39:36,400 --> 00:39:38,279
Speaker 1: I would, I would pick him at Part of it

794
00:39:38,440 --> 00:39:41,880
Speaker 1: is also strictly no position versatility whatsoever. I get that

795
00:39:42,280 --> 00:39:45,560
Speaker 1: that that's another big check mark against him, especially if

796
00:39:45,560 --> 00:39:48,640
Speaker 1: you're not gonna start him year one. You want to

797
00:39:48,719 --> 00:39:51,080
Speaker 1: make sure that he could play elsewhere. I think that's

798
00:39:51,120 --> 00:39:53,600
Speaker 1: always something that you have to keep in the back

799
00:39:53,640 --> 00:39:57,280
Speaker 1: of your cowboys. Just took Tyler Smith out of Tulsa

800
00:39:57,440 --> 00:40:01,880
Speaker 1: the tackle. Wow, did sneak into the first round and

801
00:40:01,960 --> 00:40:04,400
Speaker 1: not just sneak in? Look how many picts ares still laugh?

802
00:40:04,480 --> 00:40:09,440
Speaker 1: Maybe they think he's a guard. Potentially saw him a

803
00:40:09,480 --> 00:40:10,960
Speaker 1: guard and then try to figure out a way to

804
00:40:11,000 --> 00:40:13,919
Speaker 1: get him out of tackle. That's early for me. That's

805
00:40:13,960 --> 00:40:17,960
Speaker 1: early for me. Again, I could see him possibly sneaking

806
00:40:18,000 --> 00:40:19,880
Speaker 1: into the bottom of the round. He's still got a

807
00:40:20,200 --> 00:40:24,359
Speaker 1: waste to go. That's a three quarters to the round. Actually, yeah,

808
00:40:24,800 --> 00:40:26,960
Speaker 1: all right, guys, any final thoughts before we wrap the

809
00:40:26,960 --> 00:40:28,919
Speaker 1: sucker up and get a posted. Let's get some rest.

810
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Speaker 1: We do it again tomorrow, Big kick Off Live tomorrow noon. Guys,

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Speaker 1: all four of us. You get the four amigoes, but

812
00:40:35,040 --> 00:40:38,279
Speaker 1: that's not a thing, but sure, why not uh with

813
00:40:38,480 --> 00:40:41,920
Speaker 1: the nude tomorrow? Yeah? Why not? Uh we're also the

814
00:40:41,920 --> 00:40:44,520
Speaker 1: four Musketeers. I guess too, right. Uh. So we'll be

815
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Speaker 1: there dude on Friday, taking your calls. We'll go another

816
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Speaker 1: two hours, folks. We'll have a lot of fun talking

817
00:40:49,320 --> 00:40:51,160
Speaker 1: some draft with you, and I will have the draft

818
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Speaker 1: season up tomorrow morning as well. Uh, Tony, Pauline, Eric Crocker,

819
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Speaker 1: and I will break down everything that happened in a

820
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Speaker 1: Round one of the draft for Lance and Paul I'm Schmelk.

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Speaker 1: We'll see an next time on The Giants Little Podcast

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Speaker 1: and Big Blue Kickoff Live