WEBVTT - MK Ham - Inside the CNN Implosion 0:00:11.657 --> 0:00:14.937 You're listening to The Buck Sexton Show podcast, make sure 0:00:14.937 --> 0:00:17.977 you subscribe to the podcast on the iHeartRadio app or 0:00:17.977 --> 0:00:21.417 wherever you get your podcasts. Hey, everybody, welcome to another 0:00:21.457 --> 0:00:24.857 episode of The Buck Sexton Show. I am joined in 0:00:24.897 --> 0:00:29.457 this episode by the one and only Mary Catherine hamm 0:00:29.577 --> 0:00:33.377 It's hammer time, everybody. In fact, she even has a 0:00:33.537 --> 0:00:36.937 podcast called Getting Hammered that you should all hammer out 0:00:37.017 --> 0:00:40.537 of you whenever you have time. Also her sub stack. 0:00:40.617 --> 0:00:43.537 What's what's the title of the sub stack, mk, hammer, 0:00:43.617 --> 0:00:46.857 It's always hammer or something. It's always hammered time. So 0:00:47.057 --> 0:00:49.377 I want to start. We have we have some commonality, 0:00:49.377 --> 0:00:54.217 we have some similarities. Um, we are both people who 0:00:54.257 --> 0:00:58.777 have worked in the past at CNN as people who 0:00:59.657 --> 0:01:04.617 are not willing to go along with the destruction of America, 0:01:04.737 --> 0:01:07.897 and therefore our time at CNN was limited, right, Like, 0:01:07.937 --> 0:01:10.577 there's a certain if you're only gonna go on there 0:01:11.177 --> 0:01:13.897 and a certain amount of times before you just start 0:01:13.937 --> 0:01:15.497 to say I'm not gonna play I'm not gonna play 0:01:15.537 --> 0:01:18.777 the game, guys, and then you get sidelined. Okay, we're 0:01:18.777 --> 0:01:22.257 gonna get into all this. Don Lemon is he out 0:01:22.377 --> 0:01:24.937 at CNN as I speak to you right now or 0:01:25.097 --> 0:01:28.817 is that just the rumor and what happened? And are 0:01:28.817 --> 0:01:33.057 you surprised that mister Don Lemon, as I believe Tucker 0:01:33.097 --> 0:01:36.337 calls him, has come out to say that women in 0:01:36.377 --> 0:01:40.257 their forties should should just like give up basically, Yeah, 0:01:40.297 --> 0:01:41.937 I mean I should have packed it in a long 0:01:41.977 --> 0:01:46.017 time ago. Uh No, I thought what he said was appalling, 0:01:46.297 --> 0:01:50.057 And it shows how much he thinks he can get 0:01:50.097 --> 0:01:53.377 away with that. That just came out without his two 0:01:53.497 --> 0:01:56.617 female co hosts. It's not a surprise to him that 0:01:56.657 --> 0:02:00.777 he's sitting next to two women. By the way, Poppy 0:02:00.817 --> 0:02:05.817 Harlowe is like forty something. I know, it's it's absolutely crazy. 0:02:05.857 --> 0:02:09.217 Here's what happened in that situation. He thought he could 0:02:09.217 --> 0:02:14.337 say something horrible and personal and nasty and misogynistic about 0:02:14.337 --> 0:02:17.257 a Republican woman and that everybody would be like, that's cool, 0:02:17.817 --> 0:02:20.937 because often that's what happens, and so he thought he'd 0:02:21.017 --> 0:02:23.697 get that little thrill, and then it turned out, Oh no, 0:02:23.817 --> 0:02:25.937 I'm sitting here with two women, and they, at least 0:02:25.937 --> 0:02:27.857 one of them, thought I went a little far. By 0:02:27.857 --> 0:02:31.417 the way, had I been on set, like, I have 0:02:31.457 --> 0:02:33.977 no idea how exactly I would have reacted to that. 0:02:34.017 --> 0:02:36.697 I think it would have been forceful. I think is 0:02:36.697 --> 0:02:40.217 the word that I would go for. But I don't. 0:02:40.297 --> 0:02:42.097 I don't know what his status is because I'm not 0:02:42.137 --> 0:02:46.497 on the inside track over at CNN right neither. I'm 0:02:46.537 --> 0:02:49.777 actually unofficially bet so. My co host Clay Travis on 0:02:49.897 --> 0:02:53.577 radio you Know Well, was officially banned from CNN for 0:02:53.857 --> 0:02:57.817 talking about the First Amendment and boobs. I was unofficially 0:02:57.897 --> 0:03:01.897 banned from CNN by Jeff Zucker when he saw me 0:03:02.097 --> 0:03:04.137 and told me I wasn't welcome in the building, even 0:03:04.177 --> 0:03:06.297 though I was there to visit a friend after I 0:03:06.337 --> 0:03:09.777 was no longer in the employee of CNN because that 0:03:10.137 --> 0:03:12.617 she asked to extend a contributor contract for me there 0:03:12.737 --> 0:03:16.977 and I said no, and I had no job and 0:03:17.097 --> 0:03:20.897 no like no media job lined up, certainly no TV 0:03:21.017 --> 0:03:22.737 income of any kind. At the time, I was like, 0:03:22.777 --> 0:03:26.097 I'm out. I can't do this anymore. So, and now 0:03:26.257 --> 0:03:28.657 your time at CNN, as people watch this will be 0:03:28.697 --> 0:03:31.537 at its at its terminus, which is a lot of fun. 0:03:31.617 --> 0:03:33.737 It's the best to get people right as they're exiting 0:03:34.337 --> 0:03:39.857 the death star, the death star of liberal lunacy. I 0:03:39.897 --> 0:03:44.697 want to ask you, though, did Jeff Zucker destroy CNN 0:03:45.257 --> 0:03:49.497 or did Donald Trump break CNN? Like who's more responsible 0:03:49.577 --> 0:03:56.737 for CNN becoming the dumpster fire? That it is? So obviously? Look, 0:03:57.697 --> 0:04:00.057 I think Zucker has to take responsibility. He was in 0:04:00.137 --> 0:04:04.457 charge of CNN, like Trump's done in charge of CNN. 0:04:04.497 --> 0:04:06.737 You don't have to do his bidding. You don't have 0:04:06.817 --> 0:04:10.457 to do the twenty four seven pissing match? Am I 0:04:10.457 --> 0:04:15.297 allowed to say that? Yeah? Thing Trump? Trump wanted to 0:04:15.297 --> 0:04:17.777 break CNN, right, like that was his whole and I 0:04:17.817 --> 0:04:21.177 think that he succeeded. But you're saying Zucker should have 0:04:21.177 --> 0:04:27.457 prevented the breakage of CNN. That yeah, right, you indulged 0:04:27.737 --> 0:04:31.617 this like sort of yeah, it's like a Manhattan rich 0:04:31.657 --> 0:04:35.657 guy pissing match in between these two. You indulged it. 0:04:35.777 --> 0:04:40.017 As an alleged newsman. He could have said, no, this 0:04:40.097 --> 0:04:42.257 is not what we're doing. But he chose to lean 0:04:42.297 --> 0:04:45.257 into it, right, which is why I'm persona non grata 0:04:45.377 --> 0:04:47.697 Like I I was not leaning into it. If you 0:04:47.777 --> 0:04:49.617 lean into it, you get on air. If you don't, 0:04:49.657 --> 0:04:51.417 you don't get on air. So we got to talk 0:04:51.417 --> 0:04:56.017 about what she did lean into the tuban situation or 0:04:56.057 --> 0:04:59.897 at least leading on Twitter with yeah, yeah, let's not 0:04:59.937 --> 0:05:04.617 get confused. Everybody with with with Tuban, who I think 0:05:05.057 --> 0:05:10.817 if you're looking for an ignominious met a moment that 0:05:10.897 --> 0:05:13.137 was captured on video, right, I mean a lot of 0:05:13.177 --> 0:05:15.097 people do a lot of things. But if you're looking 0:05:15.217 --> 0:05:19.337 for somebody who's doing crazy things that their colleagues are 0:05:19.377 --> 0:05:22.777 actually able to see, that is I mean, that was 0:05:22.817 --> 0:05:25.817 amazing just for a review for everybody. Jeffrey Tubin was 0:05:25.817 --> 0:05:27.697 on I believe with The New Yorker, where he was 0:05:27.737 --> 0:05:31.497 a long time yes, a long time contributor. He decided 0:05:31.537 --> 0:05:37.217 to contribute something else and which was his naked to 0:05:37.377 --> 0:05:42.097 form during that zoom call, and his colleague saw him 0:05:42.217 --> 0:05:44.737 and he was is it. I think it is a 0:05:44.817 --> 0:05:47.857 technically in flagrante delicto. I mean, is that what it is? That? 0:05:48.097 --> 0:05:50.177 Is that? Only for the other thing? You know what 0:05:50.217 --> 0:05:52.617 I mean? I mean stuff was going on. I don't 0:05:52.617 --> 0:05:56.137 know what the Latin whether that would uh auto erotica 0:05:56.257 --> 0:06:01.097 I think is actually perhaps so. But you got in 0:06:01.177 --> 0:06:03.977 trouble because you tweeted about this. I mean they actually 0:06:03.977 --> 0:06:07.697 took action against you for pointing out some of the absurdity. 0:06:07.777 --> 0:06:11.577 Tell us what happened here with Tuban Gay. Yeah, well 0:06:12.177 --> 0:06:15.617 so Tuban was caught on tape doing this. This is 0:06:15.657 --> 0:06:18.777 not disputed. There there are situations where a me too 0:06:19.377 --> 0:06:23.017 accusation or something that goes on in the workplace is alleged, 0:06:23.017 --> 0:06:24.897 but you don't actually know if it's real, and we 0:06:24.897 --> 0:06:28.537 should be cognisitive that and like way these accusations, this 0:06:28.577 --> 0:06:31.857 one was real, cut and dried, like we know what happened. 0:06:32.017 --> 0:06:36.017 It was on video people's faces. You could say, okay, 0:06:36.897 --> 0:06:41.377 so he so he ends up back on the network. 0:06:41.537 --> 0:06:44.057 I don't know, seven or eight months later, I believe 0:06:44.097 --> 0:06:47.657 it was. Now the incident did not happen at a 0:06:47.737 --> 0:06:50.057 CNN meeting. It happened at this othern meeting. But I thought, 0:06:50.097 --> 0:06:52.577 you know, we've been talking about me too for like 0:06:52.657 --> 0:06:56.097 four or five years now, and we're just gonna we're 0:06:56.137 --> 0:06:58.937 just gonna welcome him back. Not just welcome him back. 0:06:58.977 --> 0:07:02.417 But there was a full interview about the incident as 0:07:02.457 --> 0:07:05.777 he was greeted back onto the air, right so shortly 0:07:05.817 --> 0:07:08.537 after that happened in January of I don't know what 0:07:08.937 --> 0:07:11.177 a year ago now, you ry of twenty twenty two, 0:07:11.217 --> 0:07:13.977 I guess I got into a fight with Andrew Kazinski 0:07:14.177 --> 0:07:19.657 my colleague on Twitter about some coverage at CNN did 0:07:19.657 --> 0:07:22.497 of the congressional baseball shooting. Because there I was like, no, 0:07:22.697 --> 0:07:24.857 it wasn't covered like it would have been covered if 0:07:24.857 --> 0:07:27.177 its Democrats. That's crazy to say, of course, Like let's 0:07:27.217 --> 0:07:30.337 just let's just be honest about it. It faded in 0:07:30.377 --> 0:07:33.777 like within forty eight hours from what we were talking about. Wait, 0:07:33.817 --> 0:07:36.497 I'm sorry, just just kind of just just for review. 0:07:37.057 --> 0:07:40.617 The Bernie Sanders supporters screaming about how this is for healthcare, 0:07:40.617 --> 0:07:43.817 who tried to assassinate with a rifle and actually shot 0:07:43.857 --> 0:07:46.977 Steve Scalise, but tried to assassinate about a dozen specifically 0:07:46.977 --> 0:07:50.697 conservative members of Congress. That guy, that's who we're talking about, 0:07:50.737 --> 0:07:53.577 which I think when you let people go Wait, that 0:07:53.777 --> 0:07:55.657 really was what. Yeah, he was screaming this is for 0:07:55.737 --> 0:07:58.377 healthcare while he's shooting it at members of Congress who 0:07:58.377 --> 0:08:02.297 he made sure were Republicans beforehand. That's what he doubled checked. 0:08:02.337 --> 0:08:04.617 He doubled checked that they were Republicans before he went 0:08:04.617 --> 0:08:08.097 out to try to assassinate them en mass. Anyway, within 0:08:08.177 --> 0:08:11.097 twenty four to thirty six hours, CNN had kind of 0:08:11.137 --> 0:08:14.217 moved on from this story, and people were disputing this 0:08:14.297 --> 0:08:16.417 online last year over some argument, and I was like, 0:08:16.497 --> 0:08:20.097 no, no no, no, Look I was there twenty four hours later, 0:08:21.017 --> 0:08:23.617 less than forty eight hours later, the news fans were gone. 0:08:24.017 --> 0:08:27.377 I was on TV at the congressional baseball game where 0:08:27.377 --> 0:08:30.857 we're standing in front of the victims of this shooting 0:08:31.017 --> 0:08:34.297 and we were talking about wait for it, Mike Pence 0:08:34.337 --> 0:08:37.337 got a lawyer. That was the story we were talking about. 0:08:37.657 --> 0:08:41.217 So I put this on Twitter and Andrew Kazinski argues 0:08:41.297 --> 0:08:44.417 with me about it, at which point I was like, 0:08:44.417 --> 0:08:47.817 why you're going pretty hard on me about this. I 0:08:47.857 --> 0:08:50.617 feel like you never said anything about like Tuban and Cuomo. 0:08:52.097 --> 0:08:55.857 And then it gets into like, well, this is why 0:08:55.897 --> 0:08:59.137 you should have said something about Tuban and I said 0:08:59.137 --> 0:09:05.057 it explicitly and I got suspended without my knowledge for 0:09:05.097 --> 0:09:08.897 the next six to seven months. So who makes that 0:09:08.977 --> 0:09:12.017 decision within CNM, Like who does the who puts you 0:09:12.057 --> 0:09:16.617 in CNN jail? This was Zucker. It was Zucker right 0:09:16.697 --> 0:09:24.057 right from l Yeah Road Road to the defense of 0:09:24.057 --> 0:09:26.857 of Tuban. I really do think that there was a 0:09:27.337 --> 0:09:30.177 there was a perception over there at CNN. It's kind 0:09:30.177 --> 0:09:32.977 of amazing because now I think I think that CNN 0:09:33.937 --> 0:09:36.537 it became such a to anybody who was being objective, 0:09:36.657 --> 0:09:40.337 including Democrats and leftists and liberals and other people that 0:09:40.417 --> 0:09:42.817 I know who are honest about this kind of stuff, 0:09:43.337 --> 0:09:46.177 that it just became it just became a joke because 0:09:46.177 --> 0:09:48.497 it kept holding itself out as some kind of gold 0:09:48.497 --> 0:09:53.017 standard of journalism, even during the Trump years. I mean, MSNBC, Yeah, 0:09:53.057 --> 0:09:56.057 they're like lunatic Marxists, I get it, But but everyone 0:09:56.097 --> 0:09:58.657 knows that. I mean, there's not there's not this game 0:09:58.777 --> 0:10:02.017 of we're doing the you know, gold standard, straight down 0:10:02.057 --> 0:10:05.857 the middle journalism stuff, and CNN kind of pretends that 0:10:05.857 --> 0:10:08.017 that's still what it is. And it's such an obvious 0:10:08.057 --> 0:10:13.337 and laughable fraud that I wonder if it ever can recover, 0:10:14.257 --> 0:10:17.777 where does it go from here? Look, I'm not sure. 0:10:17.897 --> 0:10:21.257 I mean, I do think that the brand took a 0:10:21.377 --> 0:10:25.337 drubbing during those years that I'm not sure how you 0:10:25.417 --> 0:10:27.617 come back from. Because you can you can sort of 0:10:27.897 --> 0:10:30.897 put on the face as if you're doing the work 0:10:30.977 --> 0:10:33.697 you're doing during the journalistic work. Look at us, we're 0:10:33.697 --> 0:10:36.777 seeing in but people have changed their habits and you're 0:10:36.937 --> 0:10:40.417 you're fighting this tide of people having decided like this 0:10:40.457 --> 0:10:43.897 doesn't feel like CNN used to feel when I turned 0:10:43.897 --> 0:10:46.817 to it for actual, you know, breaking news coverage, which 0:10:46.857 --> 0:10:48.977 is a thing that CNN can do well. It has 0:10:49.257 --> 0:10:51.177 bureaus all over the world and can do that kind 0:10:51.217 --> 0:10:54.817 of stuff well. But it invested in other things during 0:10:54.897 --> 0:10:57.217 the Zuccer years, and those things were not serving people. 0:10:57.497 --> 0:11:00.657 And so now you've got cord cutters and everybody turning 0:11:00.657 --> 0:11:05.057 to online and alternative sources, and why would they turn back. 0:11:05.297 --> 0:11:10.657 I don't understand how you make the sale because there's 0:11:10.657 --> 0:11:15.857 already people who do hard left commentary perfectly, well, right, 0:11:15.897 --> 0:11:19.897 you don't. I'm not sure you need a substitute for that. Yeah, 0:11:20.057 --> 0:11:21.577 I just don't think it really has a place to go. 0:11:21.697 --> 0:11:23.897 I think that Chris Lickt is the new guy, right, 0:11:24.097 --> 0:11:26.737 I don't know what he can what he can really 0:11:26.737 --> 0:11:28.857 do with that place other than try to make it. 0:11:29.177 --> 0:11:31.617 The real answer, I think would be to make CNN. Here, 0:11:31.697 --> 0:11:34.257 here's my theory, and I'll give this to them for free. 0:11:34.857 --> 0:11:38.337 Make CNN a place where they really are doing both voices, 0:11:38.977 --> 0:11:41.377 and I mean really do both voices, meaning that you're 0:11:41.377 --> 0:11:44.057 going to have you know, it can't just be all 0:11:44.097 --> 0:11:46.857 the hosts or Democrats and they have three out of 0:11:46.897 --> 0:11:49.577 four people on or Democrat pundits that you know, it 0:11:49.577 --> 0:11:51.737 would have to be No, you're gonna have real people, 0:11:52.097 --> 0:11:54.937 because if you had a place I think in the 0:11:54.977 --> 0:11:58.337 media now where people could have real debates, not the 0:11:59.097 --> 0:12:02.497 bullcrap CNN, Oh, you don't really get to say anything. 0:12:02.777 --> 0:12:04.377 We're gonna go to this person the panel, and then 0:12:04.417 --> 0:12:06.017 we're gonna go to commercial and you're just there to 0:12:06.017 --> 0:12:08.777 get punched in the face as the conservative. I think 0:12:08.777 --> 0:12:10.657 that would be interesting. I mean, I kind of miss 0:12:10.737 --> 0:12:13.137 I love the Hannity and Combs days. Man, Like I 0:12:13.137 --> 0:12:15.177 remember back in the day, even on Fox, you saw 0:12:15.177 --> 0:12:19.217 a lot more debate than you do these days. But 0:12:19.897 --> 0:12:21.737 that was the medium, right, And when when I got 0:12:21.737 --> 0:12:23.777 into this business, I felt like that's what we were 0:12:23.777 --> 0:12:25.497 signing up for. People like you and me were going 0:12:25.577 --> 0:12:28.177 to be there and there'll be some spirited exchanges and 0:12:28.177 --> 0:12:30.177 maybe even sometimes people get a little nasty and go 0:12:30.217 --> 0:12:32.017 crazy and that would go viral. And that's the way 0:12:32.017 --> 0:12:36.137 it is. That doesn't even happen anymore. I mean, it's unairlane, 0:12:36.417 --> 0:12:38.537 no offense. But if somebody goes in CNN at CNN 0:12:38.577 --> 0:12:41.057 and says the Republican, I'm like, oh, here we go, 0:12:41.537 --> 0:12:44.977 here's the like, there's a Republican. My party has lost 0:12:45.017 --> 0:12:47.937 its way and all of our principles are so wrong. 0:12:48.057 --> 0:12:50.337 I can't believe I was pro choice all those years. 0:12:50.377 --> 0:12:53.937 I'm like, that's that's great CNN. That's really showing both sides. 0:12:54.057 --> 0:12:57.577 Yeah yeah, I um, that was not me. And you 0:12:57.617 --> 0:13:00.057 can sort of track the trajectory of my time there 0:13:00.257 --> 0:13:04.537 accordingly is that because I want I like to mix 0:13:04.577 --> 0:13:07.777 it up. I like to be a voice for people 0:13:07.817 --> 0:13:11.577 who are not in the room. Usually that's a Republican 0:13:11.657 --> 0:13:16.457 if you're on any station, any cable news network other 0:13:16.497 --> 0:13:19.177 than thoughts, right, I want to be a voice for 0:13:19.217 --> 0:13:22.817 people who are not getting their side heard. And to 0:13:22.937 --> 0:13:24.817 do that makes you a skunk at the garden party. 0:13:24.897 --> 0:13:28.137 It really does. As you have experienced, oh totally. So 0:13:28.337 --> 0:13:30.737 it was funny because I had the experience of being 0:13:30.777 --> 0:13:34.457 at CNN. Initially, I really because there was a lot 0:13:34.497 --> 0:13:36.137 this is the Obama I was there for some of 0:13:36.137 --> 0:13:41.617 the Obama administration, right, and initially it was, oh, hey, wait, 0:13:41.657 --> 0:13:45.217 you actually did a lot of counter terrorism work or 0:13:45.257 --> 0:13:47.657 you know whatever intelligence work I guess would be a 0:13:47.697 --> 0:13:50.697 better way to put it. You know, A rock Afghanistan 0:13:50.737 --> 0:13:52.977 in these places for the CIA, and I briefed the 0:13:53.017 --> 0:13:55.017 president a bunch of times the Ovel Office and things 0:13:55.017 --> 0:13:56.977 like that. It's like, so you can actually do terrorism 0:13:57.017 --> 0:13:58.977 analysis and I and the answer was yes, I could, 0:13:59.017 --> 0:14:01.177 and I was really good at that. Not to be immodest, 0:14:01.257 --> 0:14:03.057 but I knew that stuff backwards and forwards at the 0:14:03.097 --> 0:14:05.097 time in a way that a lot of their guys 0:14:05.137 --> 0:14:08.177 who had retired from the Air Force twenty years ago 0:14:08.737 --> 0:14:12.537 just honestly didn't. But any way, um, and they were 0:14:12.657 --> 0:14:14.897 very cool with me going on to talk about that stuff. 0:14:14.937 --> 0:14:16.657 In fact, I remember I got an Ada boy once 0:14:16.657 --> 0:14:20.097 from Zucker himself after there was a Russian assassination of 0:14:20.097 --> 0:14:22.177 a dissident right near Red Square and I was dealing 0:14:22.217 --> 0:14:23.897 with it in real time because it had just happened. 0:14:24.897 --> 0:14:27.497 And then the Trump phenomenon came. And I'm telling you 0:14:28.697 --> 0:14:30.377 because then they're like, well, there's not really we're not 0:14:30.417 --> 0:14:33.377 really talking terrorism. It's all Trump, all politics. And they're like, wait, 0:14:33.697 --> 0:14:35.617 you're a Republican. What do you think of Trump? And 0:14:35.657 --> 0:14:38.017 I'm like, yeah, I'm I'm gonna vote for Trump, but 0:14:38.097 --> 0:14:41.377 like a Trump a Trump supporter. And I'm telling you, 0:14:41.737 --> 0:14:43.857 it was just from then on, either and then on 0:14:43.937 --> 0:14:47.937 I was they looked. They looked at me from from 0:14:48.017 --> 0:14:51.017 the production assistance all the way up to Zucker with disdain, 0:14:51.377 --> 0:14:55.897 with disdain, which is such a shame because what kind 0:14:55.937 --> 0:15:01.537 of news network are you if you have basically fifty 0:15:01.537 --> 0:15:04.777 percent of the voting public is unrepresented. Right Like, I didn't, 0:15:04.817 --> 0:15:06.777 I didn't vote for Trump. I was like a Trump 0:15:06.817 --> 0:15:14.057 critical but reasonable conservative who ever went full like democrat. 0:15:14.097 --> 0:15:17.897 I guess I didn't do that, and all during the 0:15:18.537 --> 0:15:20.737 Russia stuff. So that's how I sort of that's how 0:15:20.777 --> 0:15:22.777 I started on the network right like it was during 0:15:22.817 --> 0:15:25.457 the primaries, and I felt like we did have some 0:15:25.497 --> 0:15:30.297 really good actual conversations between Trump supporters and myself. It 0:15:30.457 --> 0:15:33.817 was more critical, and then it came to the Russia stuff. 0:15:34.577 --> 0:15:38.097 And this is me for four years. I don't think 0:15:38.097 --> 0:15:40.337 this is what you guys are saying. It is man like, 0:15:40.457 --> 0:15:42.737 this doesn't I don't think this is going to pan out. 0:15:42.777 --> 0:15:45.337 I'll call me crazy, but it doesn't feel like we 0:15:45.417 --> 0:15:48.337 have the evidence for what you guys are alleging. Buller 0:15:48.337 --> 0:15:53.737 report comes out. 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And 0:17:03.177 --> 0:17:07.737 in fact, I've often said about that that it's wrong. 0:17:07.777 --> 0:17:09.857 It was wrong when I say there's no accountability because 0:17:10.297 --> 0:17:14.017 people actually got promoted or careers were I mean someone 0:17:14.097 --> 0:17:19.617 like Jim Acosta at CNN. By becoming this just little 0:17:20.817 --> 0:17:25.377 anti Trump, uh, you know, smurf running around freaking out 0:17:25.417 --> 0:17:28.737 about Trump all the time, Jim Acosta elevated his career 0:17:29.297 --> 0:17:31.577 and I'm sure it made more money, bigger contract and 0:17:31.617 --> 0:17:35.377 everything else. You know, there were others as well who 0:17:35.617 --> 0:17:40.417 were constantly doing the same thing, constantly building themselves up 0:17:40.457 --> 0:17:43.977 and saying things that were untrue, but they benefited from it. 0:17:43.977 --> 0:17:46.937 And I think CNN was an example of that for individuals. 0:17:46.977 --> 0:17:49.537 But as as a network, the place is done. You 0:17:49.577 --> 0:17:51.417 know you and because of our history we both have 0:17:51.457 --> 0:17:52.737 been there. It's kind of like a This is a 0:17:52.737 --> 0:17:55.217 little bit of a little bit of a therapy session. 0:17:55.537 --> 0:17:57.137 So there's some other things I want to ask you about, 0:17:57.137 --> 0:18:00.537 but just you know, before we switched, we switched gears. 0:18:00.657 --> 0:18:03.337 Well one thing to put a put a button on 0:18:03.377 --> 0:18:06.897 this just so everyone knows, because I was curious. Tuban 0:18:07.097 --> 0:18:09.737 was benched for eight months for what he did, and 0:18:09.857 --> 0:18:12.177 I was on the bench for seven months for tweeting 0:18:12.177 --> 0:18:15.537 about it. That sounds about right, That sounds about right now. 0:18:15.577 --> 0:18:21.377 It's a deeply unfair and honestly a grotesquely dishonest organization. 0:18:22.097 --> 0:18:24.737 Um that not a single one of their anchors would 0:18:24.737 --> 0:18:29.137 have the balls to have an unfiltered discussion with someone 0:18:29.177 --> 0:18:32.977 like me about how utterly full of full of crap 0:18:33.017 --> 0:18:36.177 they are. That's that's like, that's basically where we are 0:18:36.217 --> 0:18:37.937 at this point. Like they would know to stay away 0:18:37.937 --> 0:18:40.137 from someone like me. Um, you're a very You're a 0:18:40.177 --> 0:18:43.497 very polite, nice person. I tend to get more angry 0:18:43.537 --> 0:18:45.897 about what I've seen in CNN do, but it depends 0:18:45.897 --> 0:18:48.337 on the subject. But I was gonna say, yeah, maybe 0:18:48.457 --> 0:18:51.217 maybe I'm you know, because they what they've done and 0:18:51.457 --> 0:18:53.297 the way that they've gone after people and the show 0:18:53.457 --> 0:18:56.657 also stuff that the showing up on you know, some 0:18:56.737 --> 0:19:00.337 woman's front lawn who was you know, part of a 0:19:00.377 --> 0:19:02.897 Facebook group and some Russian bod or something. I mean, 0:19:02.937 --> 0:19:05.017 just you know, going after the guy who did the 0:19:05.097 --> 0:19:08.937 Nancy Pelosi is drunk meme. I mean, they became a 0:19:09.057 --> 0:19:13.817 nasty and vindict of organization of dishonest people with very 0:19:13.897 --> 0:19:16.697 few exceptions that I I just speaking about people's work. 0:19:16.697 --> 0:19:18.377 I mean, there're people that I know they're personally that 0:19:18.377 --> 0:19:20.457 I would say, Okay, they're a nice enough person. But 0:19:20.577 --> 0:19:23.257 in terms of the work that it right. But in 0:19:23.337 --> 0:19:26.377 terms of the work that was on air, no, no, 0:19:26.577 --> 0:19:29.697 it really. Yeah, the mission of the network felt like 0:19:30.697 --> 0:19:32.937 what you're talking about is what the mission felt like 0:19:33.137 --> 0:19:37.337 as as opposed to individual personalities, which could be fine. Fine, 0:19:37.457 --> 0:19:39.577 I'll put it out there. Anyone at CNN who wants 0:19:39.617 --> 0:19:41.937 to disagree with me on this one, I would love 0:19:41.977 --> 0:19:47.297 to live my radio show on CNN's air. No, no pretaping, 0:19:47.777 --> 0:19:50.777 not like the time that Brad Stelter had me on 0:19:50.777 --> 0:19:53.177 to debate why is it Buck that you called this 0:19:53.257 --> 0:19:57.017 act of terrorism Jihada's terrorism before anybody else. By the way, 0:19:57.257 --> 0:19:59.217 of course, it turned out that I was right. We 0:19:59.297 --> 0:20:01.697 taped an interview on this, They never aired it, never 0:20:01.697 --> 0:20:03.377 even told me they're working to air it, to scrap 0:20:03.417 --> 0:20:06.137 the whole because you look like such an idiot, because 0:20:06.137 --> 0:20:07.817 he is an idiot. I'm like, why are you doing well? Yeah, 0:20:08.137 --> 0:20:09.697 I'm like Stelter, first of all, why are you debating 0:20:09.737 --> 0:20:11.377 anything with me? Second of all, you're a debate this 0:20:11.537 --> 0:20:14.377 with me? Really, do you want to tell like, you know, 0:20:14.537 --> 0:20:16.217 you want to tell an NBA player how to do 0:20:16.297 --> 0:20:18.417 is free throws? Like, what are you doing? Dude? It 0:20:18.497 --> 0:20:22.097 was just crazy, It was anywhere. Just there has to 0:20:22.097 --> 0:20:25.057 be accountability for when they're wrong or when they're deceiving people, 0:20:25.097 --> 0:20:27.937 and they're just isn't isn't I know, And so you're 0:20:27.937 --> 0:20:32.977 not serving the product that people need craziness. So something 0:20:32.977 --> 0:20:36.297 else that that I know you're you're a little fired 0:20:36.377 --> 0:20:39.137 up about. I mentioned my my good friend, our friend 0:20:39.177 --> 0:20:43.617 Clay before marching bands. Clay is a good sports guy 0:20:44.177 --> 0:20:46.857 and he has some thoughts about marching bands. I will 0:20:46.857 --> 0:20:49.017 tell you before we get to the marching band's topic. 0:20:49.937 --> 0:20:52.977 It is a big secret among certainly my audience listeners. 0:20:53.057 --> 0:20:56.377 I am a classically trained musician. I do not share 0:20:56.417 --> 0:21:00.497 publicly what the instrument is just because it's funny. It's 0:21:00.537 --> 0:21:02.857 funny to hear because it's obviously not like the guitar, 0:21:02.977 --> 0:21:05.057 the piano or something cool or even like the violet. 0:21:05.137 --> 0:21:08.377 Like it's definitely something that and everyone's like the oboe, 0:21:08.537 --> 0:21:12.257 the clarinet, the flu the piccolo. I always appreciate that, 0:21:12.257 --> 0:21:14.377 and I'm like, oh, somebody studied a little you know, 0:21:14.457 --> 0:21:18.377 classical music or likes it, um, but tell me this. 0:21:18.457 --> 0:21:20.737 To tell me this dispute. Clay thinks that there should 0:21:20.737 --> 0:21:25.217 be no marching bands to move through college football faster. You, 0:21:25.377 --> 0:21:29.217 as a marching band person, I think this is Yes, 0:21:29.777 --> 0:21:33.017 this is an outrage. It's an outrage. Okay. First of all, 0:21:33.177 --> 0:21:37.097 my guests would be bassoon. Second of all, good, good guess. 0:21:38.657 --> 0:21:43.017 Second of all, yes. So Clay is arguing that because 0:21:43.657 --> 0:21:46.577 the college football gods are trying to change the game 0:21:46.617 --> 0:21:49.137 to be quicker, which, like, I'm not even sure that 0:21:49.137 --> 0:21:52.617 we need that, like unless it gets me more tailgating time, 0:21:52.657 --> 0:21:55.137 why why are we doing this anyway? So that needs 0:21:55.137 --> 0:21:56.977 to be quicker, So they're trying to make some changes. 0:21:57.257 --> 0:21:59.497 His argument is that you just chop out the ten 0:21:59.537 --> 0:22:04.017