1 00:00:11,657 --> 00:00:14,937 Speaker 1: You're listening to The Buck Sexton Show podcast, make sure 2 00:00:14,937 --> 00:00:17,977 Speaker 1: you subscribe to the podcast on the iHeartRadio app or 3 00:00:17,977 --> 00:00:21,417 Speaker 1: wherever you get your podcasts. Hey, everybody, welcome to another 4 00:00:21,457 --> 00:00:24,857 Speaker 1: episode of The Buck Sexton Show. I am joined in 5 00:00:24,897 --> 00:00:29,457 Speaker 1: this episode by the one and only Mary Catherine hamm 6 00:00:29,577 --> 00:00:33,377 Speaker 1: It's hammer time, everybody. In fact, she even has a 7 00:00:33,537 --> 00:00:36,937 Speaker 1: podcast called Getting Hammered that you should all hammer out 8 00:00:37,017 --> 00:00:40,537 Speaker 1: of you whenever you have time. Also her sub stack. 9 00:00:40,617 --> 00:00:43,537 Speaker 1: What's what's the title of the sub stack, mk, hammer, 10 00:00:43,617 --> 00:00:46,857 Speaker 1: It's always hammer or something. It's always hammered time. So 11 00:00:47,057 --> 00:00:49,377 Speaker 1: I want to start. We have we have some commonality, 12 00:00:49,377 --> 00:00:54,217 Speaker 1: we have some similarities. Um, we are both people who 13 00:00:54,257 --> 00:00:58,777 Speaker 1: have worked in the past at CNN as people who 14 00:00:59,657 --> 00:01:04,617 Speaker 1: are not willing to go along with the destruction of America, 15 00:01:04,737 --> 00:01:07,897 Speaker 1: and therefore our time at CNN was limited, right, Like, 16 00:01:07,937 --> 00:01:10,577 Speaker 1: there's a certain if you're only gonna go on there 17 00:01:11,177 --> 00:01:13,897 Speaker 1: and a certain amount of times before you just start 18 00:01:13,937 --> 00:01:15,497 Speaker 1: to say I'm not gonna play I'm not gonna play 19 00:01:15,537 --> 00:01:18,777 Speaker 1: the game, guys, and then you get sidelined. Okay, we're 20 00:01:18,777 --> 00:01:22,257 Speaker 1: gonna get into all this. Don Lemon is he out 21 00:01:22,377 --> 00:01:24,937 Speaker 1: at CNN as I speak to you right now or 22 00:01:25,097 --> 00:01:28,817 Speaker 1: is that just the rumor and what happened? And are 23 00:01:28,817 --> 00:01:33,057 Speaker 1: you surprised that mister Don Lemon, as I believe Tucker 24 00:01:33,097 --> 00:01:36,337 Speaker 1: calls him, has come out to say that women in 25 00:01:36,377 --> 00:01:40,257 Speaker 1: their forties should should just like give up basically, Yeah, 26 00:01:40,297 --> 00:01:41,937 Speaker 1: I mean I should have packed it in a long 27 00:01:41,977 --> 00:01:46,017 Speaker 1: time ago. Uh No, I thought what he said was appalling, 28 00:01:46,297 --> 00:01:50,057 Speaker 1: And it shows how much he thinks he can get 29 00:01:50,097 --> 00:01:53,377 Speaker 1: away with that. That just came out without his two 30 00:01:53,497 --> 00:01:56,617 Speaker 1: female co hosts. It's not a surprise to him that 31 00:01:56,657 --> 00:02:00,777 Speaker 1: he's sitting next to two women. By the way, Poppy 32 00:02:00,817 --> 00:02:05,817 Speaker 1: Harlowe is like forty something. I know, it's it's absolutely crazy. 33 00:02:05,857 --> 00:02:09,217 Speaker 1: Here's what happened in that situation. He thought he could 34 00:02:09,217 --> 00:02:14,337 Speaker 1: say something horrible and personal and nasty and misogynistic about 35 00:02:14,337 --> 00:02:17,257 Speaker 1: a Republican woman and that everybody would be like, that's cool, 36 00:02:17,817 --> 00:02:20,937 Speaker 1: because often that's what happens, and so he thought he'd 37 00:02:21,017 --> 00:02:23,697 Speaker 1: get that little thrill, and then it turned out, Oh no, 38 00:02:23,817 --> 00:02:25,937 Speaker 1: I'm sitting here with two women, and they, at least 39 00:02:25,937 --> 00:02:27,857 Speaker 1: one of them, thought I went a little far. By 40 00:02:27,857 --> 00:02:31,417 Speaker 1: the way, had I been on set, like, I have 41 00:02:31,457 --> 00:02:33,977 Speaker 1: no idea how exactly I would have reacted to that. 42 00:02:34,017 --> 00:02:36,697 Speaker 1: I think it would have been forceful. I think is 43 00:02:36,697 --> 00:02:40,217 Speaker 1: the word that I would go for. But I don't. 44 00:02:40,297 --> 00:02:42,097 Speaker 1: I don't know what his status is because I'm not 45 00:02:42,137 --> 00:02:46,497 Speaker 1: on the inside track over at CNN right neither. I'm 46 00:02:46,537 --> 00:02:49,777 Speaker 1: actually unofficially bet so. My co host Clay Travis on 47 00:02:49,897 --> 00:02:53,577 Speaker 1: radio you Know Well, was officially banned from CNN for 48 00:02:53,857 --> 00:02:57,817 Speaker 1: talking about the First Amendment and boobs. I was unofficially 49 00:02:57,897 --> 00:03:01,897 Speaker 1: banned from CNN by Jeff Zucker when he saw me 50 00:03:02,097 --> 00:03:04,137 Speaker 1: and told me I wasn't welcome in the building, even 51 00:03:04,177 --> 00:03:06,297 Speaker 1: though I was there to visit a friend after I 52 00:03:06,337 --> 00:03:09,777 Speaker 1: was no longer in the employee of CNN because that 53 00:03:10,137 --> 00:03:12,617 Speaker 1: she asked to extend a contributor contract for me there 54 00:03:12,737 --> 00:03:16,977 Speaker 1: and I said no, and I had no job and 55 00:03:17,097 --> 00:03:20,897 Speaker 1: no like no media job lined up, certainly no TV 56 00:03:21,017 --> 00:03:22,737 Speaker 1: income of any kind. At the time, I was like, 57 00:03:22,777 --> 00:03:26,097 Speaker 1: I'm out. I can't do this anymore. So, and now 58 00:03:26,257 --> 00:03:28,657 Speaker 1: your time at CNN, as people watch this will be 59 00:03:28,697 --> 00:03:31,537 Speaker 1: at its at its terminus, which is a lot of fun. 60 00:03:31,617 --> 00:03:33,737 Speaker 1: It's the best to get people right as they're exiting 61 00:03:34,337 --> 00:03:39,857 Speaker 1: the death star, the death star of liberal lunacy. I 62 00:03:39,897 --> 00:03:44,697 Speaker 1: want to ask you, though, did Jeff Zucker destroy CNN 63 00:03:45,257 --> 00:03:49,497 Speaker 1: or did Donald Trump break CNN? Like who's more responsible 64 00:03:49,577 --> 00:03:56,737 Speaker 1: for CNN becoming the dumpster fire? That it is? So obviously? Look, 65 00:03:57,697 --> 00:04:00,057 Speaker 1: I think Zucker has to take responsibility. He was in 66 00:04:00,137 --> 00:04:04,457 Speaker 1: charge of CNN, like Trump's done in charge of CNN. 67 00:04:04,497 --> 00:04:06,737 Speaker 1: You don't have to do his bidding. You don't have 68 00:04:06,817 --> 00:04:10,457 Speaker 1: to do the twenty four seven pissing match? Am I 69 00:04:10,457 --> 00:04:15,297 Speaker 1: allowed to say that? Yeah? Thing Trump? Trump wanted to 70 00:04:15,297 --> 00:04:17,777 Speaker 1: break CNN, right, like that was his whole and I 71 00:04:17,817 --> 00:04:21,177 Speaker 1: think that he succeeded. But you're saying Zucker should have 72 00:04:21,177 --> 00:04:27,457 Speaker 1: prevented the breakage of CNN. That yeah, right, you indulged 73 00:04:27,737 --> 00:04:31,617 Speaker 1: this like sort of yeah, it's like a Manhattan rich 74 00:04:31,657 --> 00:04:35,657 Speaker 1: guy pissing match in between these two. You indulged it. 75 00:04:35,777 --> 00:04:40,017 Speaker 1: As an alleged newsman. He could have said, no, this 76 00:04:40,097 --> 00:04:42,257 Speaker 1: is not what we're doing. But he chose to lean 77 00:04:42,297 --> 00:04:45,257 Speaker 1: into it, right, which is why I'm persona non grata 78 00:04:45,377 --> 00:04:47,697 Speaker 1: Like I I was not leaning into it. If you 79 00:04:47,777 --> 00:04:49,617 Speaker 1: lean into it, you get on air. If you don't, 80 00:04:49,657 --> 00:04:51,417 Speaker 1: you don't get on air. So we got to talk 81 00:04:51,417 --> 00:04:56,017 Speaker 1: about what she did lean into the tuban situation or 82 00:04:56,057 --> 00:04:59,897 Speaker 1: at least leading on Twitter with yeah, yeah, let's not 83 00:04:59,937 --> 00:05:04,617 Speaker 1: get confused. Everybody with with with Tuban, who I think 84 00:05:05,057 --> 00:05:10,817 Speaker 1: if you're looking for an ignominious met a moment that 85 00:05:10,897 --> 00:05:13,137 Speaker 1: was captured on video, right, I mean a lot of 86 00:05:13,177 --> 00:05:15,097 Speaker 1: people do a lot of things. But if you're looking 87 00:05:15,217 --> 00:05:19,337 Speaker 1: for somebody who's doing crazy things that their colleagues are 88 00:05:19,377 --> 00:05:22,777 Speaker 1: actually able to see, that is I mean, that was 89 00:05:22,817 --> 00:05:25,817 Speaker 1: amazing just for a review for everybody. Jeffrey Tubin was 90 00:05:25,817 --> 00:05:27,697 Speaker 1: on I believe with The New Yorker, where he was 91 00:05:27,737 --> 00:05:31,497 Speaker 1: a long time yes, a long time contributor. He decided 92 00:05:31,537 --> 00:05:37,217 Speaker 1: to contribute something else and which was his naked to 93 00:05:37,377 --> 00:05:42,097 Speaker 1: form during that zoom call, and his colleague saw him 94 00:05:42,217 --> 00:05:44,737 Speaker 1: and he was is it. I think it is a 95 00:05:44,817 --> 00:05:47,857 Speaker 1: technically in flagrante delicto. I mean, is that what it is? That? 96 00:05:48,097 --> 00:05:50,177 Speaker 1: Is that? Only for the other thing? You know what 97 00:05:50,217 --> 00:05:52,617 Speaker 1: I mean? I mean stuff was going on. I don't 98 00:05:52,617 --> 00:05:56,137 Speaker 1: know what the Latin whether that would uh auto erotica 99 00:05:56,257 --> 00:06:01,097 Speaker 1: I think is actually perhaps so. But you got in 100 00:06:01,177 --> 00:06:03,977 Speaker 1: trouble because you tweeted about this. I mean they actually 101 00:06:03,977 --> 00:06:07,697 Speaker 1: took action against you for pointing out some of the absurdity. 102 00:06:07,777 --> 00:06:11,577 Speaker 1: Tell us what happened here with Tuban Gay. Yeah, well 103 00:06:12,177 --> 00:06:15,617 Speaker 1: so Tuban was caught on tape doing this. This is 104 00:06:15,657 --> 00:06:18,777 Speaker 1: not disputed. There there are situations where a me too 105 00:06:19,377 --> 00:06:23,017 Speaker 1: accusation or something that goes on in the workplace is alleged, 106 00:06:23,017 --> 00:06:24,897 Speaker 1: but you don't actually know if it's real, and we 107 00:06:24,897 --> 00:06:28,537 Speaker 1: should be cognisitive that and like way these accusations, this 108 00:06:28,577 --> 00:06:31,857 Speaker 1: one was real, cut and dried, like we know what happened. 109 00:06:32,017 --> 00:06:36,017 Speaker 1: It was on video people's faces. You could say, okay, 110 00:06:36,897 --> 00:06:41,377 Speaker 1: so he so he ends up back on the network. 111 00:06:41,537 --> 00:06:44,057 Speaker 1: I don't know, seven or eight months later, I believe 112 00:06:44,097 --> 00:06:47,657 Speaker 1: it was. Now the incident did not happen at a 113 00:06:47,737 --> 00:06:50,057 Speaker 1: CNN meeting. It happened at this othern meeting. But I thought, 114 00:06:50,097 --> 00:06:52,577 Speaker 1: you know, we've been talking about me too for like 115 00:06:52,657 --> 00:06:56,097 Speaker 1: four or five years now, and we're just gonna we're 116 00:06:56,137 --> 00:06:58,937 Speaker 1: just gonna welcome him back. Not just welcome him back. 117 00:06:58,977 --> 00:07:02,417 Speaker 1: But there was a full interview about the incident as 118 00:07:02,457 --> 00:07:05,777 Speaker 1: he was greeted back onto the air, right so shortly 119 00:07:05,817 --> 00:07:08,537 Speaker 1: after that happened in January of I don't know what 120 00:07:08,937 --> 00:07:11,177 Speaker 1: a year ago now, you ry of twenty twenty two, 121 00:07:11,217 --> 00:07:13,977 Speaker 1: I guess I got into a fight with Andrew Kazinski 122 00:07:14,177 --> 00:07:19,657 Speaker 1: my colleague on Twitter about some coverage at CNN did 123 00:07:19,657 --> 00:07:22,497 Speaker 1: of the congressional baseball shooting. Because there I was like, no, 124 00:07:22,697 --> 00:07:24,857 Speaker 1: it wasn't covered like it would have been covered if 125 00:07:24,857 --> 00:07:27,177 Speaker 1: its Democrats. That's crazy to say, of course, Like let's 126 00:07:27,217 --> 00:07:30,337 Speaker 1: just let's just be honest about it. It faded in 127 00:07:30,377 --> 00:07:33,777 Speaker 1: like within forty eight hours from what we were talking about. Wait, 128 00:07:33,817 --> 00:07:36,497 Speaker 1: I'm sorry, just just kind of just just for review. 129 00:07:37,057 --> 00:07:40,617 Speaker 1: The Bernie Sanders supporters screaming about how this is for healthcare, 130 00:07:40,617 --> 00:07:43,817 Speaker 1: who tried to assassinate with a rifle and actually shot 131 00:07:43,857 --> 00:07:46,977 Speaker 1: Steve Scalise, but tried to assassinate about a dozen specifically 132 00:07:46,977 --> 00:07:50,697 Speaker 1: conservative members of Congress. That guy, that's who we're talking about, 133 00:07:50,737 --> 00:07:53,577 Speaker 1: which I think when you let people go Wait, that 134 00:07:53,777 --> 00:07:55,657 Speaker 1: really was what. Yeah, he was screaming this is for 135 00:07:55,737 --> 00:07:58,377 Speaker 1: healthcare while he's shooting it at members of Congress who 136 00:07:58,377 --> 00:08:02,297 Speaker 1: he made sure were Republicans beforehand. That's what he doubled checked. 137 00:08:02,337 --> 00:08:04,617 Speaker 1: He doubled checked that they were Republicans before he went 138 00:08:04,617 --> 00:08:08,097 Speaker 1: out to try to assassinate them en mass. Anyway, within 139 00:08:08,177 --> 00:08:11,097 Speaker 1: twenty four to thirty six hours, CNN had kind of 140 00:08:11,137 --> 00:08:14,217 Speaker 1: moved on from this story, and people were disputing this 141 00:08:14,297 --> 00:08:16,417 Speaker 1: online last year over some argument, and I was like, 142 00:08:16,497 --> 00:08:20,097 Speaker 1: no, no no, no, Look I was there twenty four hours later, 143 00:08:21,017 --> 00:08:23,617 Speaker 1: less than forty eight hours later, the news fans were gone. 144 00:08:24,017 --> 00:08:27,377 Speaker 1: I was on TV at the congressional baseball game where 145 00:08:27,377 --> 00:08:30,857 Speaker 1: we're standing in front of the victims of this shooting 146 00:08:31,017 --> 00:08:34,297 Speaker 1: and we were talking about wait for it, Mike Pence 147 00:08:34,337 --> 00:08:37,337 Speaker 1: got a lawyer. That was the story we were talking about. 148 00:08:37,657 --> 00:08:41,217 Speaker 1: So I put this on Twitter and Andrew Kazinski argues 149 00:08:41,297 --> 00:08:44,417 Speaker 1: with me about it, at which point I was like, 150 00:08:44,417 --> 00:08:47,817 Speaker 1: why you're going pretty hard on me about this. I 151 00:08:47,857 --> 00:08:50,617 Speaker 1: feel like you never said anything about like Tuban and Cuomo. 152 00:08:52,097 --> 00:08:55,857 Speaker 1: And then it gets into like, well, this is why 153 00:08:55,897 --> 00:08:59,137 Speaker 1: you should have said something about Tuban and I said 154 00:08:59,137 --> 00:09:05,057 Speaker 1: it explicitly and I got suspended without my knowledge for 155 00:09:05,097 --> 00:09:08,897 Speaker 1: the next six to seven months. So who makes that 156 00:09:08,977 --> 00:09:12,017 Speaker 1: decision within CNM, Like who does the who puts you 157 00:09:12,057 --> 00:09:16,617 Speaker 1: in CNN jail? This was Zucker. It was Zucker right 158 00:09:16,697 --> 00:09:24,057 Speaker 1: right from l Yeah Road Road to the defense of 159 00:09:24,057 --> 00:09:26,857 Speaker 1: of Tuban. I really do think that there was a 160 00:09:27,337 --> 00:09:30,177 Speaker 1: there was a perception over there at CNN. It's kind 161 00:09:30,177 --> 00:09:32,977 Speaker 1: of amazing because now I think I think that CNN 162 00:09:33,937 --> 00:09:36,537 Speaker 1: it became such a to anybody who was being objective, 163 00:09:36,657 --> 00:09:40,337 Speaker 1: including Democrats and leftists and liberals and other people that 164 00:09:40,417 --> 00:09:42,817 Speaker 1: I know who are honest about this kind of stuff, 165 00:09:43,337 --> 00:09:46,177 Speaker 1: that it just became it just became a joke because 166 00:09:46,177 --> 00:09:48,497 Speaker 1: it kept holding itself out as some kind of gold 167 00:09:48,497 --> 00:09:53,017 Speaker 1: standard of journalism, even during the Trump years. I mean, MSNBC, Yeah, 168 00:09:53,057 --> 00:09:56,057 Speaker 1: they're like lunatic Marxists, I get it, But but everyone 169 00:09:56,097 --> 00:09:58,657 Speaker 1: knows that. I mean, there's not there's not this game 170 00:09:58,777 --> 00:10:02,017 Speaker 1: of we're doing the you know, gold standard, straight down 171 00:10:02,057 --> 00:10:05,857 Speaker 1: the middle journalism stuff, and CNN kind of pretends that 172 00:10:05,857 --> 00:10:08,017 Speaker 1: that's still what it is. And it's such an obvious 173 00:10:08,057 --> 00:10:13,337 Speaker 1: and laughable fraud that I wonder if it ever can recover, 174 00:10:14,257 --> 00:10:17,777 Speaker 1: where does it go from here? Look, I'm not sure. 175 00:10:17,897 --> 00:10:21,257 Speaker 1: I mean, I do think that the brand took a 176 00:10:21,377 --> 00:10:25,337 Speaker 1: drubbing during those years that I'm not sure how you 177 00:10:25,417 --> 00:10:27,617 Speaker 1: come back from. Because you can you can sort of 178 00:10:27,897 --> 00:10:30,897 Speaker 1: put on the face as if you're doing the work 179 00:10:30,977 --> 00:10:33,697 Speaker 1: you're doing during the journalistic work. Look at us, we're 180 00:10:33,697 --> 00:10:36,777 Speaker 1: seeing in but people have changed their habits and you're 181 00:10:36,937 --> 00:10:40,417 Speaker 1: you're fighting this tide of people having decided like this 182 00:10:40,457 --> 00:10:43,897 Speaker 1: doesn't feel like CNN used to feel when I turned 183 00:10:43,897 --> 00:10:46,817 Speaker 1: to it for actual, you know, breaking news coverage, which 184 00:10:46,857 --> 00:10:48,977 Speaker 1: is a thing that CNN can do well. It has 185 00:10:49,257 --> 00:10:51,177 Speaker 1: bureaus all over the world and can do that kind 186 00:10:51,217 --> 00:10:54,817 Speaker 1: of stuff well. But it invested in other things during 187 00:10:54,897 --> 00:10:57,217 Speaker 1: the Zuccer years, and those things were not serving people. 188 00:10:57,497 --> 00:11:00,657 Speaker 1: And so now you've got cord cutters and everybody turning 189 00:11:00,657 --> 00:11:05,057 Speaker 1: to online and alternative sources, and why would they turn back. 190 00:11:05,297 --> 00:11:10,657 Speaker 1: I don't understand how you make the sale because there's 191 00:11:10,657 --> 00:11:15,857 Speaker 1: already people who do hard left commentary perfectly, well, right, 192 00:11:15,897 --> 00:11:19,897 Speaker 1: you don't. I'm not sure you need a substitute for that. Yeah, 193 00:11:20,057 --> 00:11:21,577 Speaker 1: I just don't think it really has a place to go. 194 00:11:21,697 --> 00:11:23,897 Speaker 1: I think that Chris Lickt is the new guy, right, 195 00:11:24,097 --> 00:11:26,737 Speaker 1: I don't know what he can what he can really 196 00:11:26,737 --> 00:11:28,857 Speaker 1: do with that place other than try to make it. 197 00:11:29,177 --> 00:11:31,617 Speaker 1: The real answer, I think would be to make CNN. Here, 198 00:11:31,697 --> 00:11:34,257 Speaker 1: here's my theory, and I'll give this to them for free. 199 00:11:34,857 --> 00:11:38,337 Speaker 1: Make CNN a place where they really are doing both voices, 200 00:11:38,977 --> 00:11:41,377 Speaker 1: and I mean really do both voices, meaning that you're 201 00:11:41,377 --> 00:11:44,057 Speaker 1: going to have you know, it can't just be all 202 00:11:44,097 --> 00:11:46,857 Speaker 1: the hosts or Democrats and they have three out of 203 00:11:46,897 --> 00:11:49,577 Speaker 1: four people on or Democrat pundits that you know, it 204 00:11:49,577 --> 00:11:51,737 Speaker 1: would have to be No, you're gonna have real people, 205 00:11:52,097 --> 00:11:54,937 Speaker 1: because if you had a place I think in the 206 00:11:54,977 --> 00:11:58,337 Speaker 1: media now where people could have real debates, not the 207 00:11:59,097 --> 00:12:02,497 Speaker 1: bullcrap CNN, Oh, you don't really get to say anything. 208 00:12:02,777 --> 00:12:04,377 Speaker 1: We're gonna go to this person the panel, and then 209 00:12:04,417 --> 00:12:06,017 Speaker 1: we're gonna go to commercial and you're just there to 210 00:12:06,017 --> 00:12:08,777 Speaker 1: get punched in the face as the conservative. I think 211 00:12:08,777 --> 00:12:10,657 Speaker 1: that would be interesting. I mean, I kind of miss 212 00:12:10,737 --> 00:12:13,137 Speaker 1: I love the Hannity and Combs days. Man, Like I 213 00:12:13,137 --> 00:12:15,177 Speaker 1: remember back in the day, even on Fox, you saw 214 00:12:15,177 --> 00:12:19,217 Speaker 1: a lot more debate than you do these days. But 215 00:12:19,897 --> 00:12:21,737 Speaker 1: that was the medium, right, And when when I got 216 00:12:21,737 --> 00:12:23,777 Speaker 1: into this business, I felt like that's what we were 217 00:12:23,777 --> 00:12:25,497 Speaker 1: signing up for. People like you and me were going 218 00:12:25,577 --> 00:12:28,177 Speaker 1: to be there and there'll be some spirited exchanges and 219 00:12:28,177 --> 00:12:30,177 Speaker 1: maybe even sometimes people get a little nasty and go 220 00:12:30,217 --> 00:12:32,017 Speaker 1: crazy and that would go viral. And that's the way 221 00:12:32,017 --> 00:12:36,137 Speaker 1: it is. That doesn't even happen anymore. I mean, it's unairlane, 222 00:12:36,417 --> 00:12:38,537 Speaker 1: no offense. But if somebody goes in CNN at CNN 223 00:12:38,577 --> 00:12:41,057 Speaker 1: and says the Republican, I'm like, oh, here we go, 224 00:12:41,537 --> 00:12:44,977 Speaker 1: here's the like, there's a Republican. My party has lost 225 00:12:45,017 --> 00:12:47,937 Speaker 1: its way and all of our principles are so wrong. 226 00:12:48,057 --> 00:12:50,337 Speaker 1: I can't believe I was pro choice all those years. 227 00:12:50,377 --> 00:12:53,937 Speaker 1: I'm like, that's that's great CNN. That's really showing both sides. 228 00:12:54,057 --> 00:12:57,577 Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, I um, that was not me. And you 229 00:12:57,617 --> 00:13:00,057 Speaker 1: can sort of track the trajectory of my time there 230 00:13:00,257 --> 00:13:04,537 Speaker 1: accordingly is that because I want I like to mix 231 00:13:04,577 --> 00:13:07,777 Speaker 1: it up. I like to be a voice for people 232 00:13:07,817 --> 00:13:11,577 Speaker 1: who are not in the room. Usually that's a Republican 233 00:13:11,657 --> 00:13:16,457 Speaker 1: if you're on any station, any cable news network other 234 00:13:16,497 --> 00:13:19,177 Speaker 1: than thoughts, right, I want to be a voice for 235 00:13:19,217 --> 00:13:22,817 Speaker 1: people who are not getting their side heard. And to 236 00:13:22,937 --> 00:13:24,817 Speaker 1: do that makes you a skunk at the garden party. 237 00:13:24,897 --> 00:13:28,137 Speaker 1: It really does. As you have experienced, oh totally. So 238 00:13:28,337 --> 00:13:30,737 Speaker 1: it was funny because I had the experience of being 239 00:13:30,777 --> 00:13:34,457 Speaker 1: at CNN. Initially, I really because there was a lot 240 00:13:34,497 --> 00:13:36,137 Speaker 1: this is the Obama I was there for some of 241 00:13:36,137 --> 00:13:41,617 Speaker 1: the Obama administration, right, and initially it was, oh, hey, wait, 242 00:13:41,657 --> 00:13:45,217 Speaker 1: you actually did a lot of counter terrorism work or 243 00:13:45,257 --> 00:13:47,657 Speaker 1: you know whatever intelligence work I guess would be a 244 00:13:47,697 --> 00:13:50,697 Speaker 1: better way to put it. You know, A rock Afghanistan 245 00:13:50,737 --> 00:13:52,977 Speaker 1: in these places for the CIA, and I briefed the 246 00:13:53,017 --> 00:13:55,017 Speaker 1: president a bunch of times the Ovel Office and things 247 00:13:55,017 --> 00:13:56,977 Speaker 1: like that. It's like, so you can actually do terrorism 248 00:13:57,017 --> 00:13:58,977 Speaker 1: analysis and I and the answer was yes, I could, 249 00:13:59,017 --> 00:14:01,177 Speaker 1: and I was really good at that. Not to be immodest, 250 00:14:01,257 --> 00:14:03,057 Speaker 1: but I knew that stuff backwards and forwards at the 251 00:14:03,097 --> 00:14:05,097 Speaker 1: time in a way that a lot of their guys 252 00:14:05,137 --> 00:14:08,177 Speaker 1: who had retired from the Air Force twenty years ago 253 00:14:08,737 --> 00:14:12,537 Speaker 1: just honestly didn't. But any way, um, and they were 254 00:14:12,657 --> 00:14:14,897 Speaker 1: very cool with me going on to talk about that stuff. 255 00:14:14,937 --> 00:14:16,657 Speaker 1: In fact, I remember I got an Ada boy once 256 00:14:16,657 --> 00:14:20,097 Speaker 1: from Zucker himself after there was a Russian assassination of 257 00:14:20,097 --> 00:14:22,177 Speaker 1: a dissident right near Red Square and I was dealing 258 00:14:22,217 --> 00:14:23,897 Speaker 1: with it in real time because it had just happened. 259 00:14:24,897 --> 00:14:27,497 Speaker 1: And then the Trump phenomenon came. And I'm telling you 260 00:14:28,697 --> 00:14:30,377 Speaker 1: because then they're like, well, there's not really we're not 261 00:14:30,417 --> 00:14:33,377 Speaker 1: really talking terrorism. It's all Trump, all politics. And they're like, wait, 262 00:14:33,697 --> 00:14:35,617 Speaker 1: you're a Republican. What do you think of Trump? And 263 00:14:35,657 --> 00:14:38,017 Speaker 1: I'm like, yeah, I'm I'm gonna vote for Trump, but 264 00:14:38,097 --> 00:14:41,377 Speaker 1: like a Trump a Trump supporter. And I'm telling you, 265 00:14:41,737 --> 00:14:43,857 Speaker 1: it was just from then on, either and then on 266 00:14:43,937 --> 00:14:47,937 Speaker 1: I was they looked. They looked at me from from 267 00:14:48,017 --> 00:14:51,017 Speaker 1: the production assistance all the way up to Zucker with disdain, 268 00:14:51,377 --> 00:14:55,897 Speaker 1: with disdain, which is such a shame because what kind 269 00:14:55,937 --> 00:15:01,537 Speaker 1: of news network are you if you have basically fifty 270 00:15:01,537 --> 00:15:04,777 Speaker 1: percent of the voting public is unrepresented. Right Like, I didn't, 271 00:15:04,817 --> 00:15:06,777 Speaker 1: I didn't vote for Trump. I was like a Trump 272 00:15:06,817 --> 00:15:14,057 Speaker 1: critical but reasonable conservative who ever went full like democrat. 273 00:15:14,097 --> 00:15:17,897 Speaker 1: I guess I didn't do that, and all during the 274 00:15:18,537 --> 00:15:20,737 Speaker 1: Russia stuff. So that's how I sort of that's how 275 00:15:20,777 --> 00:15:22,777 Speaker 1: I started on the network right like it was during 276 00:15:22,817 --> 00:15:25,457 Speaker 1: the primaries, and I felt like we did have some 277 00:15:25,497 --> 00:15:30,297 Speaker 1: really good actual conversations between Trump supporters and myself. It 278 00:15:30,457 --> 00:15:33,817 Speaker 1: was more critical, and then it came to the Russia stuff. 279 00:15:34,577 --> 00:15:38,097 Speaker 1: And this is me for four years. I don't think 280 00:15:38,097 --> 00:15:40,337 Speaker 1: this is what you guys are saying. 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And 307 00:17:03,177 --> 00:17:07,737 Speaker 1: in fact, I've often said about that that it's wrong. 308 00:17:07,777 --> 00:17:09,857 Speaker 1: It was wrong when I say there's no accountability because 309 00:17:10,297 --> 00:17:14,017 Speaker 1: people actually got promoted or careers were I mean someone 310 00:17:14,097 --> 00:17:19,617 Speaker 1: like Jim Acosta at CNN. By becoming this just little 311 00:17:20,817 --> 00:17:25,377 Speaker 1: anti Trump, uh, you know, smurf running around freaking out 312 00:17:25,417 --> 00:17:28,737 Speaker 1: about Trump all the time, Jim Acosta elevated his career 313 00:17:29,297 --> 00:17:31,577 Speaker 1: and I'm sure it made more money, bigger contract and 314 00:17:31,617 --> 00:17:35,377 Speaker 1: everything else. You know, there were others as well who 315 00:17:35,617 --> 00:17:40,417 Speaker 1: were constantly doing the same thing, constantly building themselves up 316 00:17:40,457 --> 00:17:43,977 Speaker 1: and saying things that were untrue, but they benefited from it. 317 00:17:43,977 --> 00:17:46,937 Speaker 1: And I think CNN was an example of that for individuals. 318 00:17:46,977 --> 00:17:49,537 Speaker 1: But as as a network, the place is done. You 319 00:17:49,577 --> 00:17:51,417 Speaker 1: know you and because of our history we both have 320 00:17:51,457 --> 00:17:52,737 Speaker 1: been there. It's kind of like a This is a 321 00:17:52,737 --> 00:17:55,217 Speaker 1: little bit of a little bit of a therapy session. 322 00:17:55,537 --> 00:17:57,137 Speaker 1: So there's some other things I want to ask you about, 323 00:17:57,137 --> 00:18:00,537 Speaker 1: but just you know, before we switched, we switched gears. 324 00:18:00,657 --> 00:18:03,337 Speaker 1: Well one thing to put a put a button on 325 00:18:03,377 --> 00:18:06,897 Speaker 1: this just so everyone knows, because I was curious. Tuban 326 00:18:07,097 --> 00:18:09,737 Speaker 1: was benched for eight months for what he did, and 327 00:18:09,857 --> 00:18:12,177 Speaker 1: I was on the bench for seven months for tweeting 328 00:18:12,177 --> 00:18:15,537 Speaker 1: about it. That sounds about right, That sounds about right now. 329 00:18:15,577 --> 00:18:21,377 Speaker 1: It's a deeply unfair and honestly a grotesquely dishonest organization. 330 00:18:22,097 --> 00:18:24,737 Speaker 1: Um that not a single one of their anchors would 331 00:18:24,737 --> 00:18:29,137 Speaker 1: have the balls to have an unfiltered discussion with someone 332 00:18:29,177 --> 00:18:32,977 Speaker 1: like me about how utterly full of full of crap 333 00:18:33,017 --> 00:18:36,177 Speaker 1: they are. That's that's like, that's basically where we are 334 00:18:36,217 --> 00:18:37,937 Speaker 1: at this point. Like they would know to stay away 335 00:18:37,937 --> 00:18:40,137 Speaker 1: from someone like me. Um, you're a very You're a 336 00:18:40,177 --> 00:18:43,497 Speaker 1: very polite, nice person. I tend to get more angry 337 00:18:43,537 --> 00:18:45,897 Speaker 1: about what I've seen in CNN do, but it depends 338 00:18:45,897 --> 00:18:48,337 Speaker 1: on the subject. But I was gonna say, yeah, maybe 339 00:18:48,457 --> 00:18:51,217 Speaker 1: maybe I'm you know, because they what they've done and 340 00:18:51,457 --> 00:18:53,297 Speaker 1: the way that they've gone after people and the show 341 00:18:53,457 --> 00:18:56,657 Speaker 1: also stuff that the showing up on you know, some 342 00:18:56,737 --> 00:19:00,337 Speaker 1: woman's front lawn who was you know, part of a 343 00:19:00,377 --> 00:19:02,897 Speaker 1: Facebook group and some Russian bod or something. I mean, 344 00:19:02,937 --> 00:19:05,017 Speaker 1: just you know, going after the guy who did the 345 00:19:05,097 --> 00:19:08,937 Speaker 1: Nancy Pelosi is drunk meme. I mean, they became a 346 00:19:09,057 --> 00:19:13,817 Speaker 1: nasty and vindict of organization of dishonest people with very 347 00:19:13,897 --> 00:19:16,697 Speaker 1: few exceptions that I I just speaking about people's work. 348 00:19:16,697 --> 00:19:18,377 Speaker 1: I mean, there're people that I know they're personally that 349 00:19:18,377 --> 00:19:20,457 Speaker 1: I would say, Okay, they're a nice enough person. But 350 00:19:20,577 --> 00:19:23,257 Speaker 1: in terms of the work that it right. But in 351 00:19:23,337 --> 00:19:26,377 Speaker 1: terms of the work that was on air, no, no, 352 00:19:26,577 --> 00:19:29,697 Speaker 1: it really. Yeah, the mission of the network felt like 353 00:19:30,697 --> 00:19:32,937 Speaker 1: what you're talking about is what the mission felt like 354 00:19:33,137 --> 00:19:37,337 Speaker 1: as as opposed to individual personalities, which could be fine. Fine, 355 00:19:37,457 --> 00:19:39,577 Speaker 1: I'll put it out there. Anyone at CNN who wants 356 00:19:39,617 --> 00:19:41,937 Speaker 1: to disagree with me on this one, I would love 357 00:19:41,977 --> 00:19:47,297 Speaker 1: to live my radio show on CNN's air. No, no pretaping, 358 00:19:47,777 --> 00:19:50,777 Speaker 1: not like the time that Brad Stelter had me on 359 00:19:50,777 --> 00:19:53,177 Speaker 1: to debate why is it Buck that you called this 360 00:19:53,257 --> 00:19:57,017 Speaker 1: act of terrorism Jihada's terrorism before anybody else. By the way, 361 00:19:57,257 --> 00:19:59,217 Speaker 1: of course, it turned out that I was right. We 362 00:19:59,297 --> 00:20:01,697 Speaker 1: taped an interview on this, They never aired it, never 363 00:20:01,697 --> 00:20:03,377 Speaker 1: even told me they're working to air it, to scrap 364 00:20:03,417 --> 00:20:06,137 Speaker 1: the whole because you look like such an idiot, because 365 00:20:06,137 --> 00:20:07,817 Speaker 1: he is an idiot. I'm like, why are you doing well? Yeah, 366 00:20:08,137 --> 00:20:09,697 Speaker 1: I'm like Stelter, first of all, why are you debating 367 00:20:09,737 --> 00:20:11,377 Speaker 1: anything with me? Second of all, you're a debate this 368 00:20:11,537 --> 00:20:14,377 Speaker 1: with me? Really, do you want to tell like, you know, 369 00:20:14,537 --> 00:20:16,217 Speaker 1: you want to tell an NBA player how to do 370 00:20:16,297 --> 00:20:18,417 Speaker 1: is free throws? Like, what are you doing? Dude? It 371 00:20:18,497 --> 00:20:22,097 Speaker 1: was just crazy, It was anywhere. Just there has to 372 00:20:22,097 --> 00:20:25,057 Speaker 1: be accountability for when they're wrong or when they're deceiving people, 373 00:20:25,097 --> 00:20:27,937 Speaker 1: and they're just isn't isn't I know, And so you're 374 00:20:27,937 --> 00:20:32,977 Speaker 1: not serving the product that people need craziness. So something 375 00:20:32,977 --> 00:20:36,297 Speaker 1: else that that I know you're you're a little fired 376 00:20:36,377 --> 00:20:39,137 Speaker 1: up about. I mentioned my my good friend, our friend 377 00:20:39,177 --> 00:20:43,617 Speaker 1: Clay before marching bands. Clay is a good sports guy 378 00:20:44,177 --> 00:20:46,857 Speaker 1: and he has some thoughts about marching bands. I will 379 00:20:46,857 --> 00:20:49,017 Speaker 1: tell you before we get to the marching band's topic. 380 00:20:49,937 --> 00:20:52,977 Speaker 1: It is a big secret among certainly my audience listeners. 381 00:20:53,057 --> 00:20:56,377 Speaker 1: I am a classically trained musician. I do not share 382 00:20:56,417 --> 00:21:00,497 Speaker 1: publicly what the instrument is just because it's funny. It's 383 00:21:00,537 --> 00:21:02,857 Speaker 1: funny to hear because it's obviously not like the guitar, 384 00:21:02,977 --> 00:21:05,057 Speaker 1: the piano or something cool or even like the violet. 385 00:21:05,137 --> 00:21:08,377 Speaker 1: Like it's definitely something that and everyone's like the oboe, 386 00:21:08,537 --> 00:21:12,257 Speaker 1: the clarinet, the flu the piccolo. I always appreciate that, 387 00:21:12,257 --> 00:21:14,377 Speaker 1: and I'm like, oh, somebody studied a little you know, 388 00:21:14,457 --> 00:21:18,377 Speaker 1: classical music or likes it, um, but tell me this. 389 00:21:18,457 --> 00:21:20,737 Speaker 1: To tell me this dispute. Clay thinks that there should 390 00:21:20,737 --> 00:21:25,217 Speaker 1: be no marching bands to move through college football faster. You, 391 00:21:25,377 --> 00:21:29,217 Speaker 1: as a marching band person, I think this is Yes, 392 00:21:29,777 --> 00:21:33,017 Speaker 1: this is an outrage. It's an outrage. Okay. First of all, 393 00:21:33,177 --> 00:21:37,097 Speaker 1: my guests would be bassoon. Second of all, good, good guess. 394 00:21:38,657 --> 00:21:43,017 Speaker 1: Second of all, yes. So Clay is arguing that because 395 00:21:43,657 --> 00:21:46,577 Speaker 1: the college football gods are trying to change the game 396 00:21:46,617 --> 00:21:49,137 Speaker 1: to be quicker, which, like, I'm not even sure that 397 00:21:49,137 --> 00:21:52,617 Speaker 1: we need that, like unless it gets me more tailgating time, 398 00:21:52,657 --> 00:21:55,137 Speaker 1: why why are we doing this anyway? So that needs 399 00:21:55,137 --> 00:21:56,977 Speaker 1: to be quicker, So they're trying to make some changes. 400 00:21:57,257 --> 00:21:59,497 Speaker 1: His argument is that you just chop out the ten 401 00:21:59,537 --> 00:22:04,017 Speaker 1: to twelve minutes of marching band from halftime and we're done. 402 00:22:04,577 --> 00:22:09,617 Speaker 1: I disagree because they deserve they deserve their moment. These 403 00:22:09,697 --> 00:22:11,577 Speaker 1: these nerds, and I'm one of them, so I'm allowed 404 00:22:11,617 --> 00:22:13,817 Speaker 1: to say it. They deserve their moment. They work very 405 00:22:13,817 --> 00:22:19,337 Speaker 1: hard and please imagine college football the soundtrack of the 406 00:22:19,377 --> 00:22:23,297 Speaker 1: marching band in the stands. Now, he will argue they 407 00:22:23,297 --> 00:22:25,297 Speaker 1: should just be in the stands. Cave them in the stands. 408 00:22:25,337 --> 00:22:29,977 Speaker 1: But no, they have served us well and they deserve Okay, fine, 409 00:22:30,017 --> 00:22:31,177 Speaker 1: maybe you could cut it in a half. Do you 410 00:22:31,257 --> 00:22:33,697 Speaker 1: like a seven minute show? But we're not getting rid 411 00:22:33,737 --> 00:22:36,617 Speaker 1: of marching bands. It's part of the Americana. The experience 412 00:22:36,697 --> 00:22:39,977 Speaker 1: is not the same without them. Find another place. I 413 00:22:40,017 --> 00:22:44,497 Speaker 1: do have to ask you now, as a as a 414 00:22:44,537 --> 00:22:46,897 Speaker 1: wife mother, are you mother of three? How many kids 415 00:22:46,897 --> 00:22:50,657 Speaker 1: do you have? Now? Four children? Four? As a mother 416 00:22:50,697 --> 00:22:55,337 Speaker 1: of four and a woman who is who is herself 417 00:22:55,937 --> 00:23:00,097 Speaker 1: likes the sports athletics, plays and watches, what is your 418 00:23:00,097 --> 00:23:05,417 Speaker 1: take on cheerleaders at college football games? Do we are 419 00:23:05,417 --> 00:23:10,337 Speaker 1: we fully supportive of this? Or is this out of use? Bro? 420 00:23:11,257 --> 00:23:15,537 Speaker 1: They're they're extremely good athletes. First of all, like the 421 00:23:16,017 --> 00:23:18,697 Speaker 1: tumbling is a saying. And I have several family members 422 00:23:18,737 --> 00:23:21,297 Speaker 1: who have been cheerleaders, so I can't I can't hate it. 423 00:23:21,337 --> 00:23:24,697 Speaker 1: Was not my sport of choice. Uh, because I did 424 00:23:24,697 --> 00:23:26,537 Speaker 1: play the fact that I was also in marching band, 425 00:23:26,577 --> 00:23:29,457 Speaker 1: I was covering a lot of bases, Okay, fuck I was, 426 00:23:29,497 --> 00:23:34,097 Speaker 1: I was. I was a well rounded high school student, okay, 427 00:23:34,457 --> 00:23:36,177 Speaker 1: and uh, and so I was playing the clarinet, but 428 00:23:36,217 --> 00:23:38,617 Speaker 1: I was also playing soccer. But no, I'm I'm pro 429 00:23:38,857 --> 00:23:41,617 Speaker 1: I'm pro pro cheerleader. Okay. See it's funny because when 430 00:23:41,657 --> 00:23:44,177 Speaker 1: you say it, it sounds somehow empowering to women. But 431 00:23:44,217 --> 00:23:48,537 Speaker 1: when I or Clay says we're pro cheerlead, urban's like, oh, yeah, 432 00:23:48,537 --> 00:23:51,777 Speaker 1: of course you are. But anyway, you know, I experienced 433 00:23:51,777 --> 00:23:53,497 Speaker 1: my first by the way, I have to I have 434 00:23:53,577 --> 00:23:56,977 Speaker 1: to look this up, but I believe I tweeted in 435 00:23:57,137 --> 00:24:00,737 Speaker 1: support of the First Amendment in boobs and I somehow 436 00:24:00,737 --> 00:24:06,057 Speaker 1: didn't get benched for that one. Wow. Yeah, that's a 437 00:24:06,177 --> 00:24:07,697 Speaker 1: that's a thing that that's the thing that can happen. 438 00:24:07,777 --> 00:24:10,697 Speaker 1: Apparently I remember that one either went maybe it went 439 00:24:10,737 --> 00:24:13,057 Speaker 1: into the radar or Zucker actually secretly agree with me. 440 00:24:13,097 --> 00:24:16,097 Speaker 1: I don't know. Ye rule Doll. Let's talk about role 441 00:24:16,137 --> 00:24:18,217 Speaker 1: golf for a minute here, because you you draw this 442 00:24:18,257 --> 00:24:22,297 Speaker 1: one of my attention I always think of. Well, actually, 443 00:24:22,337 --> 00:24:23,817 Speaker 1: the one that I think I probably think of first 444 00:24:24,017 --> 00:24:27,417 Speaker 1: is James and the Giant Peach, which is that that's 445 00:24:27,537 --> 00:24:29,377 Speaker 1: Roul Doll, right. I don't want to be this is like, 446 00:24:30,577 --> 00:24:34,697 Speaker 1: this reminds me of because I took as an extra class, 447 00:24:34,737 --> 00:24:37,097 Speaker 1: not part of the core curriculum or a main curriculum. 448 00:24:37,137 --> 00:24:40,017 Speaker 1: But I took um like music theory and classical music 449 00:24:40,057 --> 00:24:41,777 Speaker 1: when I was in college, as one does when they're 450 00:24:41,777 --> 00:24:44,217 Speaker 1: applying a nerd instrument, that they'll never tell their audience 451 00:24:44,617 --> 00:24:47,337 Speaker 1: because they'll never they'll never live it down. But I 452 00:24:47,377 --> 00:24:50,817 Speaker 1: do remember that the intro class for music was very 453 00:24:51,017 --> 00:24:54,417 Speaker 1: and that there were there were members I'm I'm not trying, 454 00:24:54,857 --> 00:24:58,017 Speaker 1: I'm not trying to cast aspersions here, but there were 455 00:24:58,017 --> 00:25:01,937 Speaker 1: members of the football team who also because this was 456 00:25:01,977 --> 00:25:05,817 Speaker 1: a a gut class. Oh and that was right, So 457 00:25:05,857 --> 00:25:07,577 Speaker 1: it was like not a hard class, so they're there 458 00:25:07,617 --> 00:25:09,137 Speaker 1: were the nerds who were into the actual and you 459 00:25:09,137 --> 00:25:10,497 Speaker 1: could just sort of sit in the back and like 460 00:25:10,537 --> 00:25:12,017 Speaker 1: not really do anything, and it was almost like a 461 00:25:12,097 --> 00:25:15,057 Speaker 1: music appreciation class. And there were a few of them 462 00:25:15,057 --> 00:25:20,577 Speaker 1: who handed in an analysis of Pocabell's Cannon by Bach, 463 00:25:22,697 --> 00:25:25,617 Speaker 1: which I thought was really, yes, the whole you know, 464 00:25:25,657 --> 00:25:28,737 Speaker 1: the whole thing. So I'm trying Roll Doll, I believe 465 00:25:28,857 --> 00:25:33,977 Speaker 1: road Giant James and the Giant Peach, right, So you're correct, 466 00:25:34,137 --> 00:25:36,937 Speaker 1: that is a good Yeah, you're not misnaming that one. 467 00:25:37,537 --> 00:25:40,937 Speaker 1: So what is your favorite Your favorite Roll Doll book 468 00:25:42,577 --> 00:25:46,337 Speaker 1: probably The Witches, which I found to be like the 469 00:25:46,377 --> 00:25:48,737 Speaker 1: most frightening thing i'd ever written read When I was 470 00:25:48,777 --> 00:25:50,497 Speaker 1: like nine years old, I was hiding in my room. 471 00:25:50,497 --> 00:25:54,377 Speaker 1: I'm like, oh my god, this is that which I 472 00:25:54,417 --> 00:25:58,537 Speaker 1: remember renting from Blockbuster because we are contemporaries, and that 473 00:25:58,657 --> 00:26:02,497 Speaker 1: is the thing I remember, those witches. This scared the 474 00:26:02,537 --> 00:26:04,577 Speaker 1: crap out of me. I mean that it didn't scare 475 00:26:04,657 --> 00:26:07,177 Speaker 1: me quite as much as like The Exorcist, which came 476 00:26:07,177 --> 00:26:09,697 Speaker 1: along later, but that but it was pretty scary, right, 477 00:26:11,097 --> 00:26:14,017 Speaker 1: So yes, it was horrifying. What's more horrifying is if 478 00:26:14,017 --> 00:26:16,177 Speaker 1: you read it to your children and they're not horrified 479 00:26:16,297 --> 00:26:19,977 Speaker 1: at all, which is what happened to me. I was like, girls, 480 00:26:20,857 --> 00:26:23,217 Speaker 1: how can you not be concerned about this? But they 481 00:26:23,217 --> 00:26:25,137 Speaker 1: were like, I mean it seems kind of light to us. 482 00:26:25,337 --> 00:26:28,057 Speaker 1: I was like, what kind of warriors have I created? 483 00:26:28,297 --> 00:26:33,217 Speaker 1: But the point being that they're not snowflakes? But the 484 00:26:33,257 --> 00:26:35,897 Speaker 1: way is and to own the rights to Roll Doll books, 485 00:26:36,057 --> 00:26:38,297 Speaker 1: which if you've read any Roll Doll books you know 486 00:26:38,337 --> 00:26:43,777 Speaker 1: are full of adults and villains who are disgusting and 487 00:26:44,297 --> 00:26:48,697 Speaker 1: fat and ugly, and he makes it very clear that 488 00:26:48,737 --> 00:26:55,097 Speaker 1: these are their characteristics. And now, because that's considered problematic, 489 00:26:56,137 --> 00:26:58,937 Speaker 1: the estate that owns the rights to his books, is 490 00:26:58,977 --> 00:27:02,737 Speaker 1: now changing the books and editing them to take out 491 00:27:02,737 --> 00:27:06,377 Speaker 1: words like fat and to take out descriptions that might 492 00:27:06,417 --> 00:27:11,657 Speaker 1: be problematic. And it is very it's very super creepy 493 00:27:12,657 --> 00:27:17,017 Speaker 1: and in fantaalizing. It's also just terrible writing because they 494 00:27:17,057 --> 00:27:22,097 Speaker 1: take these lovely phrases like British hilarious, mean insults and 495 00:27:22,217 --> 00:27:26,377 Speaker 1: turn them into just mush to nothing. And of course 496 00:27:26,657 --> 00:27:31,737 Speaker 1: this is not considered censorship or book banning by the left, 497 00:27:32,057 --> 00:27:37,977 Speaker 1: but changing curriculum or having age limits for very adult 498 00:27:38,137 --> 00:27:42,337 Speaker 1: material in school libraries. That is censorship of the highest degree. 499 00:27:42,537 --> 00:27:47,617 Speaker 1: But actually changing this man's writing after he dies and 500 00:27:47,657 --> 00:27:51,777 Speaker 1: then only publishing that and censoring it for everyone. Not 501 00:27:51,897 --> 00:27:55,297 Speaker 1: a problem, Not a problem, guys. I gotta tell you know, 502 00:27:55,377 --> 00:27:58,617 Speaker 1: I wasn't. I've never read the Harry Potter books. First 503 00:27:58,657 --> 00:28:00,057 Speaker 1: of all, what they're doing, what they're doing a role 504 00:28:00,137 --> 00:28:04,137 Speaker 1: doll is completely insane. I think they've they've been going 505 00:28:04,177 --> 00:28:07,457 Speaker 1: after a lot of I didn't, isn't. Doctor Shou's also 506 00:28:07,537 --> 00:28:11,537 Speaker 1: problematic for some. There's there's something with Doctor SEUs books too. 507 00:28:11,577 --> 00:28:14,417 Speaker 1: I can't write there aren't there They're racist or something, right, 508 00:28:14,457 --> 00:28:18,777 Speaker 1: There's like tropes in them that they there's there's problematic 509 00:28:18,857 --> 00:28:22,737 Speaker 1: portrayals in them, and so there are so longer published 510 00:28:23,177 --> 00:28:25,977 Speaker 1: and uh like you know these are these are the 511 00:28:26,057 --> 00:28:28,417 Speaker 1: kinds of things where, by the way, when books are 512 00:28:28,457 --> 00:28:30,697 Speaker 1: actually banned, what you have to do is you go 513 00:28:30,777 --> 00:28:33,057 Speaker 1: have to find them, like on a black market or 514 00:28:33,057 --> 00:28:35,177 Speaker 1: on eBay or something right, and that that's what you 515 00:28:35,217 --> 00:28:36,977 Speaker 1: have to do. Now with the old versions of Rold 516 00:28:37,057 --> 00:28:41,017 Speaker 1: Dull and Doctor SEUs, the uncensored versions, it's so funny too, 517 00:28:41,097 --> 00:28:44,577 Speaker 1: because you know you'll see these. You'll see these leftists 518 00:28:44,697 --> 00:28:46,577 Speaker 1: who will tweet out a photo that this is my 519 00:28:46,817 --> 00:28:51,857 Speaker 1: bookshelf of band stuff and it's like hypersexualized content that 520 00:28:51,937 --> 00:28:56,217 Speaker 1: they were giving to first graders, and they don't understand 521 00:28:56,217 --> 00:28:58,537 Speaker 1: that that's that's not being banned. That's just like, don't 522 00:28:58,537 --> 00:29:01,537 Speaker 1: be a sick weirdo. But as a conservative or as 523 00:29:01,577 --> 00:29:04,697 Speaker 1: somebody who's just a rationalist, a reasonable person, you could 524 00:29:04,697 --> 00:29:06,577 Speaker 1: create a whole bookshelf. Now, when you think about it, 525 00:29:06,777 --> 00:29:13,177 Speaker 1: who's canceled Doctor SEUs, Road, Rudyard Kipling. You know, go, 526 00:29:13,657 --> 00:29:15,537 Speaker 1: you go down the list, and depending on what you're 527 00:29:15,577 --> 00:29:18,697 Speaker 1: looking for, you can find Shakespeare, come on that guy, 528 00:29:18,857 --> 00:29:23,937 Speaker 1: lots of stuff you do real no super problematic. Yeah, 529 00:29:23,977 --> 00:29:26,977 Speaker 1: he was not woke at all. It's gonna be an issue. 530 00:29:27,177 --> 00:29:29,697 Speaker 1: Do you think woke people are all miserable? It's something 531 00:29:29,737 --> 00:29:32,297 Speaker 1: I always think about. I really think that they're even 532 00:29:32,337 --> 00:29:35,697 Speaker 1: if they no matter how good looking, wealthy, successful, whatever, 533 00:29:35,737 --> 00:29:37,857 Speaker 1: if they truly believe this stuff, if they're truly woke, 534 00:29:37,857 --> 00:29:40,017 Speaker 1: there they lead a life of misery. This is my belief. 535 00:29:41,737 --> 00:29:44,457 Speaker 1: So it depends on how much joy they're getting out 536 00:29:44,497 --> 00:29:47,577 Speaker 1: of the pack comes from the victimhood they're claiming, right, 537 00:29:47,577 --> 00:29:51,537 Speaker 1: because that's the whole game. So if you enjoy that 538 00:29:51,617 --> 00:29:53,457 Speaker 1: sort of power, and I think a lot of people, 539 00:29:54,017 --> 00:29:56,897 Speaker 1: particularly during COVID with the signaling and being able to 540 00:29:56,897 --> 00:29:59,417 Speaker 1: boss everybody around, if became apparent to me that a 541 00:29:59,497 --> 00:30:02,497 Speaker 1: lot of people really enjoy that in a way that 542 00:30:02,577 --> 00:30:04,737 Speaker 1: I do not. I don't have any interest in telling 543 00:30:04,737 --> 00:30:06,257 Speaker 1: you what to do, but a lot of people do, 544 00:30:07,137 --> 00:30:09,617 Speaker 1: and so there is some enjoyment there. But it seems 545 00:30:09,617 --> 00:30:14,097 Speaker 1: like such a a terrible existence to me to spend 546 00:30:14,137 --> 00:30:18,257 Speaker 1: all of your time thinking about this hierarchy of victimhood 547 00:30:18,657 --> 00:30:21,497 Speaker 1: and where you claim your power by claiming that victimhood 548 00:30:21,657 --> 00:30:25,377 Speaker 1: and just reacting to everything in the most hysterical way. Possible, 549 00:30:26,337 --> 00:30:28,097 Speaker 1: not a life I want to live. I have four, 550 00:30:28,177 --> 00:30:30,617 Speaker 1: you know, irrational human beings I'm trying to raise, like 551 00:30:30,817 --> 00:30:34,097 Speaker 1: I got. I'm really they've cornered the market on my 552 00:30:34,137 --> 00:30:38,417 Speaker 1: ability to deal with that stuff you mentioned. There are 553 00:30:38,417 --> 00:30:40,177 Speaker 1: a few things that I think get me more fired 554 00:30:40,257 --> 00:30:43,537 Speaker 1: up than the COVID restriction stuff. Just because I was 555 00:30:43,617 --> 00:30:46,737 Speaker 1: in New York City for all of the pandemic, I mean, 556 00:30:46,897 --> 00:30:49,217 Speaker 1: you know, would leave occasionally. I would escape to Florida, 557 00:30:49,257 --> 00:30:53,297 Speaker 1: where I now live, Yes, because I just couldn't couldn't 558 00:30:53,337 --> 00:30:56,377 Speaker 1: deal with it anymore. And I was also very early, 559 00:30:56,417 --> 00:30:57,977 Speaker 1: and this is all a matter of record, thanks to 560 00:30:58,057 --> 00:31:01,017 Speaker 1: things like Twitter. I was very early, meaning April, I 561 00:31:01,057 --> 00:31:05,497 Speaker 1: wanted to reopen for full reopen and forget everything. By 562 00:31:06,497 --> 00:31:08,977 Speaker 1: Easter of twenty twenty. I was like, this is crazy. 563 00:31:08,977 --> 00:31:10,537 Speaker 1: I don't know what anyone thinks we're doing here. This 564 00:31:10,577 --> 00:31:12,497 Speaker 1: is and it was, oh, you're a grandma murderer. And 565 00:31:12,537 --> 00:31:16,737 Speaker 1: so just extrapolate from that, masks don't work, which I 566 00:31:16,817 --> 00:31:19,697 Speaker 1: was saying earlier. I've gotten. I've gotten, you know, YouTube 567 00:31:19,777 --> 00:31:21,737 Speaker 1: and Twitter and all these things. I was getting banned 568 00:31:21,737 --> 00:31:25,217 Speaker 1: and suspended and all the time for these things they 569 00:31:25,217 --> 00:31:31,177 Speaker 1: were wrong about absolutely everything. I just got back from honeymoon, 570 00:31:31,177 --> 00:31:33,537 Speaker 1: which is great, by the way, fantastic. Yeah, oh yes, 571 00:31:33,697 --> 00:31:36,697 Speaker 1: congratulations to you, thank you very much. Yeah. Married. Now 572 00:31:36,697 --> 00:31:38,497 Speaker 1: I gotta I gotta catch up. You got four kids 573 00:31:38,497 --> 00:31:40,897 Speaker 1: that we're you know, we're we gotta we gotta make 574 00:31:40,977 --> 00:31:44,017 Speaker 1: some some some babies happen here. But I'm working on it. 575 00:31:44,057 --> 00:31:48,137 Speaker 1: I'm working on it. Um. But you know, you you 576 00:31:48,337 --> 00:31:51,097 Speaker 1: look at LAX for example. I mean, I just I 577 00:31:51,137 --> 00:31:53,777 Speaker 1: just came through LAX. I'm not going to pretend that 578 00:31:53,817 --> 00:31:58,537 Speaker 1: it's everybody, but because obviously it's a it's a small group. 579 00:31:58,937 --> 00:32:04,177 Speaker 1: I'd say five percent of LAX. When you're walking around, 580 00:32:04,737 --> 00:32:06,977 Speaker 1: one out of twenty people are still wearing a mask, 581 00:32:07,657 --> 00:32:10,777 Speaker 1: And I honestly think that they're emotionally they been emotionally 582 00:32:10,817 --> 00:32:15,137 Speaker 1: traumatized by their own tribe, and that's what's really happened. 583 00:32:15,177 --> 00:32:17,817 Speaker 1: I'm like, they can't turn it off now. No, I 584 00:32:18,137 --> 00:32:19,697 Speaker 1: think that's where a lot of people are. And it's 585 00:32:19,817 --> 00:32:24,697 Speaker 1: very sad because myopically, protecting yourself from very small physical 586 00:32:24,817 --> 00:32:28,177 Speaker 1: risks at the loss of your emotional well being and 587 00:32:28,217 --> 00:32:32,017 Speaker 1: the fulfillment of your life its purpose is really really bad. 588 00:32:32,297 --> 00:32:34,577 Speaker 1: You shouldn't do that, and your government shouldn't do that 589 00:32:34,617 --> 00:32:36,177 Speaker 1: to you, which is what it attempted to do for 590 00:32:36,217 --> 00:32:38,657 Speaker 1: three years, and there were people who spoke out about it. 591 00:32:39,897 --> 00:32:43,617 Speaker 1: But look, I went to a children's museum with my 592 00:32:43,697 --> 00:32:47,657 Speaker 1: kids today, and the protocols before I went because I 593 00:32:47,657 --> 00:32:50,017 Speaker 1: don't take my kids to places they can enjoy, right, 594 00:32:50,337 --> 00:32:53,817 Speaker 1: and it says, oh, that they are going to enforce 595 00:32:53,937 --> 00:32:59,777 Speaker 1: masking on unvaccinated people over five, And I'm like, is 596 00:32:59,777 --> 00:33:02,497 Speaker 1: this real? 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I in 632 00:34:43,857 --> 00:34:46,377 Speaker 1: my New York City apartment building I lived in I 633 00:34:46,457 --> 00:34:48,297 Speaker 1: used to live in. It's like a sixty five story 634 00:34:48,337 --> 00:34:49,937 Speaker 1: building and you know, huge building, and so it had 635 00:34:49,937 --> 00:34:53,577 Speaker 1: a pretty big gym in the building. Even after the 636 00:34:53,657 --> 00:34:55,737 Speaker 1: all clear and the gyms were open and everything like that. 637 00:34:55,777 --> 00:34:57,297 Speaker 1: I mean, not the all clear, but you know, even 638 00:34:57,337 --> 00:35:00,697 Speaker 1: after they're reopened and you don't have to wear masks anymore. Basically, 639 00:35:00,737 --> 00:35:04,097 Speaker 1: when the vaccine rollout happened, they left all the you 640 00:35:04,217 --> 00:35:07,657 Speaker 1: must mask up signs even though the policy changed. So 641 00:35:07,697 --> 00:35:09,977 Speaker 1: they sent out an email saying, you don't have to 642 00:35:10,137 --> 00:35:13,737 Speaker 1: mask up anymore, but all the signage stayed up. And 643 00:35:13,857 --> 00:35:15,817 Speaker 1: I walked around, and there are people that do it. 644 00:35:15,857 --> 00:35:19,737 Speaker 1: I literally pulled down, one after another all of these 645 00:35:19,777 --> 00:35:22,417 Speaker 1: signs and threw them in the trash. And I was 646 00:35:22,457 --> 00:35:24,657 Speaker 1: walking around like, hey, who pulled down the signs? Man? 647 00:35:24,697 --> 00:35:27,697 Speaker 1: That's all those Like? Why were the It's like, because 648 00:35:28,217 --> 00:35:32,937 Speaker 1: the whole point of the exercise was the psychological control. 649 00:35:33,137 --> 00:35:37,257 Speaker 1: The whole point of the exercise was compliance training based 650 00:35:37,257 --> 00:35:40,457 Speaker 1: on whatever the apparatus decided at any point, and so 651 00:35:40,497 --> 00:35:42,817 Speaker 1: I refuse it. It was you know, even to this day, 652 00:35:42,857 --> 00:35:44,777 Speaker 1: you see, and I was coming through I went through 653 00:35:44,817 --> 00:35:46,617 Speaker 1: a bunch of airports because I was in the South Pacific, 654 00:35:46,657 --> 00:35:49,057 Speaker 1: I was in French Polynesia. It's very nice, highly recommended. 655 00:35:50,257 --> 00:35:54,817 Speaker 1: But even in the airport in uh then Papiette, which 656 00:35:54,857 --> 00:35:59,457 Speaker 1: is the main city in French Polynesian Tahiti, and even 657 00:35:59,537 --> 00:36:01,737 Speaker 1: the airport you'll see you know, must wear a mask 658 00:36:01,817 --> 00:36:04,537 Speaker 1: signs all over the place. To me, it's like the 659 00:36:04,657 --> 00:36:05,937 Speaker 1: I don't know if you ever see these. I've seen 660 00:36:05,937 --> 00:36:07,977 Speaker 1: these before because they have them in New York. They 661 00:36:08,017 --> 00:36:12,297 Speaker 1: used to have these old, weird things, like a little 662 00:36:12,337 --> 00:36:14,777 Speaker 1: symbol that you would see on some buildings. And I 663 00:36:14,897 --> 00:36:18,897 Speaker 1: learned one day these are nuclear fallout shelters. Okay, they're 664 00:36:18,977 --> 00:36:22,017 Speaker 1: nuclear fallout and they're still they're still sitting there. You're 665 00:36:22,057 --> 00:36:24,657 Speaker 1: just in case. And I kind of want to tell everybody, 666 00:36:25,217 --> 00:36:26,777 Speaker 1: if they ever have to really get you in the 667 00:36:26,817 --> 00:36:30,257 Speaker 1: nuclear fallout shelter, you probably want to go in the 668 00:36:30,297 --> 00:36:34,897 Speaker 1: first wave. Like it's probably too late, right, right, what's 669 00:36:34,937 --> 00:36:38,457 Speaker 1: your philosophy on that. No, I my uh, I think 670 00:36:38,537 --> 00:36:40,937 Speaker 1: I would. I was probably a little later than you 671 00:36:41,097 --> 00:36:44,137 Speaker 1: to the game on the lockdown stuff and like this, 672 00:36:44,177 --> 00:36:50,097 Speaker 1: don't everybody was, but yes, yeah, but I think by 673 00:36:50,457 --> 00:36:53,857 Speaker 1: it was in April of twenty twenty that we're sending 674 00:36:53,857 --> 00:36:57,177 Speaker 1: out questionnaires to parents about whether you'd send your kids 675 00:36:57,177 --> 00:37:00,257 Speaker 1: to school, and I was like just mashing every button, 676 00:37:00,377 --> 00:37:03,977 Speaker 1: like yes, yes, my children can go to school. Yes, 677 00:37:04,017 --> 00:37:06,257 Speaker 1: I will sit in them in person, Yes I will 678 00:37:06,297 --> 00:37:09,737 Speaker 1: do this. And it made absolutely no difference because they 679 00:37:09,737 --> 00:37:13,737 Speaker 1: weren't interested in a person like me who had a 680 00:37:13,857 --> 00:37:16,537 Speaker 1: rational assessment of whether this was dangerous to my children 681 00:37:16,657 --> 00:37:19,817 Speaker 1: and figured out very quickly that it seemed not to 682 00:37:19,857 --> 00:37:23,417 Speaker 1: be and that school might be the better option than oh, 683 00:37:23,457 --> 00:37:26,697 Speaker 1: I don't know. Keeping most every metro areas millions of 684 00:37:26,777 --> 00:37:31,017 Speaker 1: children out of a regular schools schedule for more than 685 00:37:31,057 --> 00:37:35,417 Speaker 1: a year eighteen months in some places it was appalling. 686 00:37:35,537 --> 00:37:39,577 Speaker 1: And to watch Randy Wine Garden, you know, the head 687 00:37:39,577 --> 00:37:42,577 Speaker 1: of what is it the American Federation of Teachers or 688 00:37:42,817 --> 00:37:43,977 Speaker 1: is it the other one? I always so there's the 689 00:37:44,017 --> 00:37:47,697 Speaker 1: two big tea. Yeah she's yeah, she's at So to 690 00:37:47,697 --> 00:37:50,777 Speaker 1: watch Randy Winegarden go around and act like she want 691 00:37:51,057 --> 00:37:53,657 Speaker 1: recently in the last six months that she was an 692 00:37:53,697 --> 00:37:58,057 Speaker 1: advocate for schools opening. Look, I think this is a 693 00:37:58,137 --> 00:38:00,977 Speaker 1: problem that that Trump is going to have to deal 694 00:38:01,017 --> 00:38:06,377 Speaker 1: with now in the primary, which is that YE twenty 695 00:38:06,417 --> 00:38:11,937 Speaker 1: twenty was absolutely mishandled. From a COVID perspective, things were 696 00:38:11,937 --> 00:38:14,377 Speaker 1: wrong in the beginning. Fine, I just want to say 697 00:38:14,417 --> 00:38:16,817 Speaker 1: to everybody, you got a sixty day window, which I 698 00:38:16,817 --> 00:38:20,057 Speaker 1: think is pretty generous to just be like, look, this 699 00:38:20,097 --> 00:38:22,257 Speaker 1: is crazy. You know how many people are gonna die. 700 00:38:22,297 --> 00:38:24,657 Speaker 1: I don't know what's going on. We're all scared. After that, 701 00:38:24,737 --> 00:38:27,057 Speaker 1: you're responsible for the decisions you're making because you have 702 00:38:27,217 --> 00:38:31,177 Speaker 1: data here in America. And Fouci was able to Fouci, 703 00:38:31,337 --> 00:38:33,977 Speaker 1: and Lenski was able well not Lenski. Game later, who's 704 00:38:33,937 --> 00:38:36,617 Speaker 1: the other one? Burks? Burks was able to Burs and 705 00:38:36,777 --> 00:38:40,697 Speaker 1: Randy Weinarden was able to dictate and whether schools would open. 706 00:38:40,737 --> 00:38:43,457 Speaker 1: I mean the stuff that was allowed to happen, and 707 00:38:43,617 --> 00:38:45,697 Speaker 1: I'm not willing to let this stuff go. I guess 708 00:38:45,777 --> 00:38:47,937 Speaker 1: that's kind of I would have a hard time at 709 00:38:47,977 --> 00:38:51,857 Speaker 1: this point being spending spending a lot of time around somebody, 710 00:38:51,897 --> 00:38:55,217 Speaker 1: for example, who isn't embarrassed by the notion of masking, 711 00:38:55,297 --> 00:38:58,057 Speaker 1: who doesn't realize what a sham the whole thing was, 712 00:38:58,057 --> 00:38:59,657 Speaker 1: Like I would, I would have a difficult time being 713 00:38:59,657 --> 00:39:02,897 Speaker 1: around that person for an extended period of time. Now, 714 00:39:02,937 --> 00:39:07,097 Speaker 1: I think you're right. There are policy differences that will 715 00:39:07,137 --> 00:39:09,257 Speaker 1: be hashed out in a primary on this, and there 716 00:39:09,297 --> 00:39:12,217 Speaker 1: are records to talk about on this, and so I 717 00:39:12,217 --> 00:39:14,177 Speaker 1: think that's going to be interesting, and it's interesting to 718 00:39:14,177 --> 00:39:16,617 Speaker 1: see how you do that because I'm with you where 719 00:39:16,617 --> 00:39:18,457 Speaker 1: I'm like, people need to admit that they were wrong 720 00:39:18,537 --> 00:39:20,377 Speaker 1: or else we're just going to do this again. Yes, 721 00:39:20,457 --> 00:39:23,177 Speaker 1: it's very obvious to me that that's what's coming. However, 722 00:39:23,377 --> 00:39:26,217 Speaker 1: how do you run a political campaign where you adjudicate 723 00:39:26,297 --> 00:39:30,337 Speaker 1: that don't look backwards looking versus forwards looking. That's what 724 00:39:30,377 --> 00:39:33,497 Speaker 1: I'm a little worried about with Republicans because I think 725 00:39:33,577 --> 00:39:36,577 Speaker 1: that I think they're need a reckoning about this, and 726 00:39:36,617 --> 00:39:39,937 Speaker 1: I'm not sure how you do it without sounding two 727 00:39:40,057 --> 00:39:44,497 Speaker 1: backwards looking as opposed to the opposite. Yeah, I also 728 00:39:44,617 --> 00:39:51,937 Speaker 1: worry that Republicans I have, well, I have a lot 729 00:39:51,977 --> 00:39:53,497 Speaker 1: of worries. There's a whole other podcasts we have to 730 00:39:53,497 --> 00:39:55,137 Speaker 1: do about the things I'm concerned about when it comes 731 00:39:55,137 --> 00:39:58,977 Speaker 1: to the Republican Party right now. I feel like we 732 00:39:59,137 --> 00:40:02,537 Speaker 1: are not learning the lessons we should learn from from 733 00:40:02,737 --> 00:40:06,177 Speaker 1: painful election losses in the last two cycles. What do 734 00:40:06,177 --> 00:40:13,937 Speaker 1: you think about that? Yeah, yeah, Look, it's I've never 735 00:40:13,977 --> 00:40:17,577 Speaker 1: had a lot of faith in politicians in general, even 736 00:40:17,577 --> 00:40:20,697 Speaker 1: the ones that I tend to like, so I'm not 737 00:40:20,777 --> 00:40:23,697 Speaker 1: terribly surprised when they don't learn from these things. But 738 00:40:23,817 --> 00:40:28,937 Speaker 1: I think, look, we have seen in several cycles that 739 00:40:29,017 --> 00:40:31,257 Speaker 1: there's a bunch of people. Oh, let's just take Yunkin 740 00:40:31,657 --> 00:40:36,337 Speaker 1: in Virginia for instance. Right, He's a guy who runs 741 00:40:36,337 --> 00:40:41,617 Speaker 1: in Virginia and appeals to basically the demographic that I am, 742 00:40:41,817 --> 00:40:47,377 Speaker 1: not to be too self referential, but a like pretty normy, 743 00:40:47,737 --> 00:40:52,657 Speaker 1: suburbandicated mom who's mad about school closings. But maybe he 744 00:40:52,737 --> 00:40:56,697 Speaker 1: doesn't go towards a more trump a line candidate, right, 745 00:40:57,217 --> 00:41:02,097 Speaker 1: And Younkin walked this very skillful line where he ended 746 00:41:02,137 --> 00:41:05,297 Speaker 1: up bringing out plenty of rural voters but so brought 747 00:41:05,297 --> 00:41:09,657 Speaker 1: out people in northern Virginia who wouldn't otherwise vote for Republicans, 748 00:41:09,737 --> 00:41:12,257 Speaker 1: and like, if you can't do that, you're not going 749 00:41:12,297 --> 00:41:15,217 Speaker 1: to win in these purple areas right. But I think 750 00:41:15,257 --> 00:41:17,057 Speaker 1: that I think that you can walk that line and 751 00:41:17,097 --> 00:41:20,617 Speaker 1: you can be smart about the facts you're marshaling, which 752 00:41:20,657 --> 00:41:23,937 Speaker 1: he was on schools, which Ronda Santis has repeatedly on 753 00:41:24,097 --> 00:41:27,297 Speaker 1: dealing with COVID. He's marshaling facts. He's telling people, look, 754 00:41:27,337 --> 00:41:29,417 Speaker 1: this is the way, this is where the data points. 755 00:41:29,697 --> 00:41:33,017 Speaker 1: And I think that smart approach instead of a more 756 00:41:33,297 --> 00:41:37,937 Speaker 1: I don't know, brash like bullying approach which desile right. 757 00:41:38,497 --> 00:41:42,257 Speaker 1: I think can people in my demographic do you think 758 00:41:42,297 --> 00:41:44,977 Speaker 1: that the Democrat Party and this I like to remind 759 00:41:45,017 --> 00:41:49,897 Speaker 1: people Joe Biden the White House, they have officially weighed 760 00:41:49,897 --> 00:41:52,817 Speaker 1: in on gender transition for kids. I mean, this is 761 00:41:52,857 --> 00:41:55,497 Speaker 1: White House policy. This is this is not just activists. 762 00:41:55,777 --> 00:41:57,937 Speaker 1: This is from the absolute top of the Democrat Party 763 00:41:57,977 --> 00:42:02,137 Speaker 1: on down. Do you think the men can get pregnant 764 00:42:02,817 --> 00:42:09,737 Speaker 1: phenomenon from Democrats? Could cost them if Republicans explain that 765 00:42:09,777 --> 00:42:13,257 Speaker 1: this it's just part of a broader campaign of crazy. 766 00:42:15,737 --> 00:42:17,857 Speaker 1: I think that can matter a lot. And I think 767 00:42:17,897 --> 00:42:22,337 Speaker 1: it matters in Northern Virginia getting some of those folks 768 00:42:22,137 --> 00:42:24,257 Speaker 1: as an example, because I was close to it and 769 00:42:24,297 --> 00:42:28,057 Speaker 1: it had a lot of these issues at play. But 770 00:42:28,417 --> 00:42:32,377 Speaker 1: these policy for folks, and there are a lot of 771 00:42:32,417 --> 00:42:37,097 Speaker 1: people out there who are not haters, who are nonetheless 772 00:42:37,217 --> 00:42:40,017 Speaker 1: unwilling to believe that their daughters are sons or their 773 00:42:40,057 --> 00:42:42,737 Speaker 1: sons are daughters just because a school counselor said so, 774 00:42:43,297 --> 00:42:46,817 Speaker 1: Like that's not a thing that most voters are okay with, 775 00:42:47,017 --> 00:42:50,177 Speaker 1: and having that pushed via their public schools that they're 776 00:42:50,177 --> 00:42:54,537 Speaker 1: paying for, which buys down for a year, like it 777 00:42:54,657 --> 00:42:59,457 Speaker 1: makes they're not learning to read, but we're doing this. Yeah. 778 00:42:59,497 --> 00:43:01,937 Speaker 1: I think the radical agenda of the left as it 779 00:43:01,977 --> 00:43:04,537 Speaker 1: pertains to kids in school and as it pertains to 780 00:43:05,617 --> 00:43:09,017 Speaker 1: equity and inclusion is if the Republicans just get it 781 00:43:09,057 --> 00:43:13,057 Speaker 1: together and really message properly on this. I just think 782 00:43:13,057 --> 00:43:15,657 Speaker 1: the Democrats, one, I think they can't win on those arguments, 783 00:43:16,017 --> 00:43:19,817 Speaker 1: and I think that they're sixty forty maybe even seventy 784 00:43:19,857 --> 00:43:22,497 Speaker 1: thirty issues. Well, actually, the kids and the gender thing 785 00:43:22,497 --> 00:43:25,057 Speaker 1: is more like a ninety five five issue, But the 786 00:43:25,177 --> 00:43:28,337 Speaker 1: equity and inclusion stuff, I mean affirmative action. Really. For example, 787 00:43:28,817 --> 00:43:32,777 Speaker 1: affirmative action in America is an eighty twenty issue at 788 00:43:32,777 --> 00:43:35,097 Speaker 1: this point, meaning about eighty percent of the country's like, 789 00:43:35,217 --> 00:43:38,857 Speaker 1: you really shouldn't be doing this stuff anymore. Yeah, but 790 00:43:38,897 --> 00:43:46,897 Speaker 1: the press remarkably has no concept of that. None. None, 791 00:43:47,897 --> 00:43:50,857 Speaker 1: But the school does think. I pitched people on stories 792 00:43:50,897 --> 00:43:52,897 Speaker 1: about how this school closing stuff is really going to 793 00:43:52,977 --> 00:43:56,177 Speaker 1: matter in this governor's race in Virginia, and several publications 794 00:43:56,177 --> 00:44:02,737 Speaker 1: are like, now, I don't really think that's a thing. Wow, yeah, okay, 795 00:44:03,337 --> 00:44:06,417 Speaker 1: we'll see. Yeah. They could probably go work at CNN. 796 00:44:07,417 --> 00:44:13,137 Speaker 1: Mary Katherhem everybody, mkh hammer, go check out Getting Hammered 797 00:44:13,137 --> 00:44:17,657 Speaker 1: her podcast. Mary Catherine Hamm Yeah on sub stack. She's 798 00:44:17,697 --> 00:44:20,137 Speaker 1: gonna be letting it fly as she is now a 799 00:44:20,377 --> 00:44:22,857 Speaker 1: we're sued to be a totally free agent in the 800 00:44:22,857 --> 00:44:25,537 Speaker 1: world media. We look forward to our next stuff. Please 801 00:44:25,537 --> 00:44:26,897 Speaker 1: come back and hang out this again. There's a lot 802 00:44:26,937 --> 00:44:28,977 Speaker 1: of fun. We could have covered a whole lot more stuff, 803 00:44:28,977 --> 00:44:31,377 Speaker 1: and next time around we will. Thanks for hanging out, 804 00:44:31,617 --> 00:44:32,737 Speaker 1: of course, glad to be here.