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Speaker 3: I'll give Aaron Rodgers fifteen million dollars if you're the Titans,

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Speaker 1: If yeah, he has a house in Nashville. I mean

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Speaker 1: And they'll they'll say all the right stuff. But in

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Speaker 1: And you know, I think in the end, Aaron, I mean,

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Speaker 1: not sure Aaron loves the game. I think, you know

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Speaker 1: how when he ever worked with somebody or you have

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Speaker 2: They're like, I work hard, and you're like.

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Speaker 1: Dude, hard work is sixty five hours a week, not

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Speaker 3: I think it'll be very telling that when they cut him,

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Speaker 3: if he's only getting seven, eight, ten million dollar off,

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Speaker 3: he doesn't need the money, right, He's worth hundreds of

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Speaker 3: clear he did not want to get hit last year.

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Speaker 3: Don't blame him. He's forty years old. So is he

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Speaker 3: going to go play for some of these teams. You know,

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Speaker 3: Carroll calls the Titans call, It's like, yeah, this this

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Speaker 3: might not go well again.

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Speaker 2: Right.

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Speaker 3: The one thing Aaron Rodgers has a good feel for,

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Speaker 3: million dollars. It's one thing, you know, the jetson he

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Speaker 3: But I have a hard time if you're ten million dollars,

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Speaker 3: it's like the best options the Titans him just going

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Speaker 3: I'm just gonna go hang out in Malibu and just

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he's got a beautiful house.

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Speaker 1: I watched that documentary Enigma, and it was interesting, you know,

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Speaker 3: I gave it like ten minutes more brought off. I'm like,

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Speaker 3: I don't even care. Just wasn't for me.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you're a better man than me. Yeah. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: be really high maintenance. But I don't know what the

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Speaker 2: It's probably the best.

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Speaker 3: I saw the headline today that the Raiders might be

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Speaker 1: Speaking of artists, I think if you took any NFL

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Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers.

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Speaker 2: Aaron's very unique, and.

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Speaker 1: I tend to believe that people make mistakes, but most

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Speaker 1: Aaron begged the Jets to keep him. And it's interesting

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Speaker 1: And it's an interesting thing with Aaron. Generally, these two

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Speaker 1: And twice he's knocked on the door of the franchise

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Speaker 1: What I find interesting about Aaron, if this story is

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Speaker 1: as you used to be. This, whether you're a talk

435
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Speaker 1: show host or a quarterback, never ends well. When I

436
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Speaker 1: read that he was begging to stay or he really

437
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Speaker 1: wanted to stay, part of it.

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Speaker 2: To me was sad. It's like, Aaron, how do you

439
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Speaker 2: not get this? Does that sold you? I don't so.

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Speaker 6: Albert Brier then reported that Aaron wanted to stay, wanted

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Speaker 6: and indicated that he wants to keep playing, but that

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Speaker 6: he was not He did not present it like that

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Speaker 6: he was begging. Rogers doesn't strike me as a guy

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Speaker 6: that would get down on one knee and beg the

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Speaker 6: New York Jets for employment. So I didn't buy the

446
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Speaker 6: behind the paywall New York Post story that said it

447
00:23:30,560 --> 00:23:33,439
Speaker 6: was like a man walking himself to the gallows and

448
00:23:33,480 --> 00:23:37,600
Speaker 6: referencing ayahuasca. It was like very New York posting, and

449
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Speaker 6: so I was like, I took it with a little

450
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Speaker 6: bit of a grain of salt. What I do think

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Speaker 6: is true is that Rogers probably went to that meeting

452
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Speaker 6: and stayed at his case. I was heard at the

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Speaker 6: beginning of the year. I played much better at the

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Speaker 6: at the end of the year, and what's your plan?

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Speaker 6: If not me, then who? And they probably don't have

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Speaker 6: a great answer for that right now. So I'm I

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Speaker 6: bet he stated his case. I still struggle to find

458
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Speaker 6: a team that makes more sense for Rogers than Pittsburgh.

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Speaker 6: People keep saying Minnesota. Aren't they going to try JJ McCarthy.

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Speaker 6: It traded up in the first round to draft it.

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Speaker 6: And if they think that if they got a great

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Speaker 6: season seasons out of Kirk Cousins and then a great

463
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Speaker 6: season out of Sam Darnold, I would have to imagine

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Speaker 6: that they think that the guy that they picked they

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Speaker 6: can get a great season out.

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Speaker 2: Of for very cheap.

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Speaker 1: Well, I want to quickly segue to this. I don't

468
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Speaker 1: want to spend too much time on Aaron. So there

469
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Speaker 1: was a story that Jason McIntyre deserves credit. He talked

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Speaker 1: about it like four days before anybody else did Stafford

471
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Speaker 1: to the Giants? And I made two calls on it,

472
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Speaker 1: and it was a real thing. It's now Stafford may

473
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Speaker 1: just want a new deal and an influx of money

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Speaker 1: from the Rams. That's probably it. The idea of going

475
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Speaker 1: from Stan Cronkey and Sean McVay and indoor football to

476
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Speaker 1: the Giants facing Philadelphia twice a year and Jaden Daniels

477
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Speaker 1: does not feel appealing to me. Just chaos to non chaos.

478
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Speaker 1: The Rams are a really well run ship. But it

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Speaker 1: was interesting. So when I propose that, it was amazing.

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Speaker 1: And again it's fans. So how many people said you

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Speaker 1: cannot give up a first round pick for Matt Stafford

482
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Speaker 1: And I'm like, I definitely can. It is a week draft.

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Speaker 1: You've been unwatchable for a decade, Like you're the GM

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Speaker 1: of the Giants. I press you into a corner. What

485
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Speaker 1: would you give up for Matt Stafford in a week draft?

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean I would try to make it next

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Speaker 6: year's first round pick, right like, not.

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Speaker 1: Don't you got to give up some I'm not gonna

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Speaker 1: let you get away with that. You gotta give me

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Speaker 1: something this year.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 6: Then I mean, listen, I still think Stafford's an arguably

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Speaker 6: top five quarterback in the NFL.

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Speaker 2: I think there's a big wasn't big four?

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Speaker 6: And then like Matt Stafford, everyone was immediately like Jaden

496
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Speaker 6: Daniels is the best quarterback in the NFC, And I

497
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Speaker 6: was like.

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Speaker 3: I don't know.

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Speaker 6: I think I'll still take the thirty five year old gunslinger,

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Speaker 6: like personally, to win a game tomorrow, I'll take I'll

501
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Speaker 6: still take Stafford over Jayden Daniels though Jayden's amazing. So yeah,

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Speaker 6: I think that if the Rams were open for business,

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Speaker 6: they would get a first round pick from Matt Stafford,

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Speaker 6: even at his age.

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Speaker 1: I now, even though you'd have to redo the deal,

506
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Speaker 1: like it's he's just too damn good in a league.

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Speaker 6: Now, it is all that, And it's the type of

508
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Speaker 6: thing that you don't go into it blind, like you'd

509
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Speaker 6: be his agent would be given permission to talk to

510
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Speaker 6: the team. Hey, are you playing? You know you're not

511
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Speaker 6: retiring next year? Right, No, you're playing multiple years? Okay cool? Yeah,

512
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Speaker 6: And as long as they have a guarantee that Matt

513
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Speaker 6: Stafford would sign a contract extension, rework the deal to

514
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Speaker 6: your point, and play multiple years. I do think that

515
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Speaker 6: he would get a first round pick. He's awesome. He's awesome.

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Speaker 6: I don't really get why the Rams would want to

517
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Speaker 6: be out of the Matt Stafford business though, Like I

518
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Speaker 6: watched your segment and like, okay, I personally would put

519
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Speaker 6: up with his wife saying goofy things and like he's

520
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Speaker 6: Matt Stafford.

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Speaker 1: Well, I think what the Rams are looking at some

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Speaker 1: of that public Cooper Cup Stafford, the Rams felt a

523
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Speaker 1: bit belied in social media, the wife, Cooper Cup. It's like, guys,

524
00:27:24,880 --> 00:27:29,080
Speaker 1: we're really good, we're really good owners, we're good people here.

525
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Speaker 1: Don't go public. So I think that's part of it.

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Speaker 1: I think the other thing you have to look at

527
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Speaker 1: is take Stafford out. Who are the pocket quarterbacks that

528
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Speaker 1: you really think can win the Super Bowl over the

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Speaker 1: next ten years?

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Speaker 3: Goff?

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Speaker 1: And that's mostly because the on line really of Detroit,

532
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Speaker 1: the old line is so suffocating it could move the

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Speaker 1: ball against PHILADELPHIA'ST line. The truth is, I think, and

534
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Speaker 1: they're also looking at we don't we Matt wants four years,

535
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Speaker 1: they give him two, So I think it's they want

536
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Speaker 1: Matt Stafford. But I do think rent a quarterback for

537
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Speaker 1: a year because next year's quarterback class is much better.

538
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Speaker 1: Is Aaron Rodgers. I think Aaron. If you go to

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Speaker 1: Aaron's last ten games in New York with at that

540
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Speaker 1: point arguably the worst coaching staff not in Chicago, in

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Speaker 1: the league, it was the worst coaching staff, and he

542
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Speaker 1: put up like really decent numbers the last ten games.

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Speaker 1: My take is with McVeigh, if you could hold those

544
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Speaker 1: numbers for a year, two year deal, we draft a quarterback.

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Speaker 1: And I also think Aaron has been humbled. I think

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Speaker 1: I think he'd come live in Malibu and be like,

547
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Speaker 1: I'm taking.

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Speaker 6: I have no issue with understanding why Aaron Rodgers would

549
00:28:38,800 --> 00:28:40,400
Speaker 6: want to play in LA For Sean.

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Speaker 2: McVay, that's not as that's not a leap.

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Speaker 6: My thing is, if I'm Sean McVay, I think Matt

552
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Speaker 6: Stafford is better than Aaron Rodgers at this yes, this age,

553
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Speaker 6: I used to don't get why the Rams would want

554
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Speaker 6: to be out of the Stafford business to get into

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Speaker 6: the Rogers business.

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Speaker 2: Like if if at Stafford forced the.

557
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Speaker 6: Trade or retired or whatever, then like, okay, we can

558
00:29:04,880 --> 00:29:09,040
Speaker 6: have that conversation. But I just I get to me

559
00:29:10,120 --> 00:29:12,240
Speaker 6: all these teams that people are throwing out for Rogers,

560
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Speaker 6: like the Niners, the Vikings, the Rams, Like, yeah, that

561
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Speaker 6: all sounds great for Aaron.

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Speaker 2: I think it's much more likely that it's gonna be

563
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Speaker 2: like Vegas, Tennessee.

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Speaker 6: Nobody's like I think that that that's where it's gonna be.

565
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Speaker 6: Like is he going to just play to play and

566
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Speaker 6: grind out six wins or I don't. I don't believe

567
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Speaker 6: that a Super Bowl contender is calling Aaron Rodgers. Maybe

568
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Speaker 6: I'll be proven wrong, but don't. I don't believe that

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Speaker 6: a Super Bowl contenders ready for him.

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Speaker 1: So I thought it was interesting today where Adam Schefter

571
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Speaker 1: was almost annoyed with they arned Rodgers, where he came

572
00:29:50,000 --> 00:29:54,040
Speaker 1: out and said pick a team. So I said this

573
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Speaker 1: on the air to day, if you ever tell a

574
00:29:56,960 --> 00:30:03,280
Speaker 1: corporation listen, I need more time all get back to you.

575
00:30:03,280 --> 00:30:06,480
Speaker 1: You have to have the self awareness to know how

576
00:30:06,520 --> 00:30:08,960
Speaker 1: that lands to the corporation, especially if you're in a

577
00:30:09,040 --> 00:30:14,200
Speaker 1: valuable position. It's a big fu. You're literally going back

578
00:30:14,240 --> 00:30:17,800
Speaker 1: thinking what A what a prima donna?

579
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Speaker 2: What a?

580
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Speaker 1: And it's where I usually tend to think really smart

581
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Speaker 1: people have excellent self awareness, and I wonder sometimes with Aaron,

582
00:30:27,640 --> 00:30:31,960
Speaker 1: is he the rare smart dude doesn't read the room well?

583
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Speaker 1: I mean he he goes on this darkness retreating Green

584
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Speaker 1: Bay and then is shocked when they're like, take a hike,

585
00:30:38,080 --> 00:30:39,760
Speaker 1: like how can you be shot?

586
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Speaker 6: Don't? But here's the thing with Rogers, and there's a

587
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Speaker 6: lot of it. He talks a lot, but do we

588
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Speaker 6: believe anything he says, like, what do you mean he

589
00:30:52,400 --> 00:30:56,880
Speaker 6: said he didn't have cell service? Like he's like, he's like, oh, like,

590
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Speaker 6: can you live in Malibu and twenty five million dollar

591
00:31:01,000 --> 00:31:02,479
Speaker 6: house you have cell service?

592
00:31:02,560 --> 00:31:06,960
Speaker 2: Like? It was just I think that he has a lot.

593
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Speaker 6: Of narcissism to him. And he's like I love the silence.

594
00:31:10,000 --> 00:31:12,400
Speaker 6: And then he brought a film crew like what do

595
00:31:12,720 --> 00:31:14,960
Speaker 6: these things are just in conflict with each other?

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Speaker 2: I just you know what I mean?

597
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Speaker 6: I think that he is a so I don't know

598
00:31:19,720 --> 00:31:23,360
Speaker 6: that he knows exactly what he wants and I think

599
00:31:23,400 --> 00:31:29,040
Speaker 6: he loves attention, and I think that he He told

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Speaker 6: Mark Schlareth and Stink has told the story publicly. He

601
00:31:31,880 --> 00:31:34,720
Speaker 6: did like a week sixteen or seventeen Jets game and

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Speaker 6: he Stink said that they talk for almost thirty minutes

603
00:31:37,440 --> 00:31:40,720
Speaker 6: twenty something was about the running game because Stink's insane,

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Speaker 6: and he was like five or ten minutes was about

605
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Speaker 6: his future. And he's like Aaron told me point Blake, like,

606
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Speaker 6: I'm only going to keep playing if the situation is perfect.

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Speaker 2: Well, now apparently it's down to the Steelers and the

608
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Speaker 2: Giants and be perfectmn perfect now at least the Steelers,

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Speaker 2: to me, makes perfect sense. That one makes perfect sense.

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Speaker 2: He loves Mike Tomlin. Mike Tomlin loves him Mike Tomlin.

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Speaker 6: Apparently, it's impossible for this guy to have a losing season.

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00:32:13,280 --> 00:32:17,400
Speaker 6: Mason Rudolph, Kenny Pickett, Mitch Trubisky, Duck Hodges. It doesn't matter.

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Speaker 6: It's impossible for this guy to have a losing season.

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Speaker 6: So obviously you're hyper relevant. The fans care. You'll look

615
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Speaker 6: good in the iconic jersey. You'll get to play against

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Speaker 6: Joe Burrow, You'll play against Lamar Jackson. The AFC North

617
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Speaker 6: plays the NFC North this year, so the Steelers host

618
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Speaker 6: the Packers, they go to Chicago.

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Speaker 2: Aaron will eat that shit up like that. To me,

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Speaker 2: that makes sense.

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Speaker 6: He can have an expectation of playing in a playoff

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Speaker 6: game and maybe winning a playoff game that Tomlin hasn't

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Speaker 6: done since twenty sixteen.

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Speaker 2: They're not going to win a super Bowl, but.

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Speaker 6: That makes sense if he comes back and he plays

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Speaker 6: for the Giants, It's just pure van.

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Speaker 1: Sorry to interrupt this great video, but please remember to

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Speaker 1: like and subscribe.

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Speaker 2: Thank you. Now back to the video.

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Speaker 1: Okay, So I'm going to argue because this was a

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Speaker 1: discussion today on our show and I said, because I've

632
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Speaker 1: moved so many times that I get a yellow padout

633
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Speaker 1: pros cons and I said.

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Speaker 2: I'm going to be Aaron Rodgers. I don't have to move.

635
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Speaker 1: I get an offensive coach, I get neighbors and a

636
00:33:28,600 --> 00:33:31,320
Speaker 1: really good left tackle, and I'm going to have more

637
00:33:31,440 --> 00:33:33,360
Speaker 1: juice in the building. Because the coach and the GM

638
00:33:33,400 --> 00:33:36,960
Speaker 1: are getting fired or they had lost Nausee Harris in

639
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Speaker 1: their left tackle. They're completely toned af to offense. I'm

640
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Speaker 1: old and don't want to get hit, and they haven't

641
00:33:42,880 --> 00:33:45,120
Speaker 1: had a good line for seven years. I'll have really

642
00:33:45,120 --> 00:33:47,800
Speaker 1: no power in the building, and I'm going to have

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Speaker 1: two guys that are both going to demand the ball

644
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Speaker 1: and neither one runs a complete route tree. I can

645
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Speaker 1: make an argument selfishly, Like every time I've ever thought

646
00:33:57,240 --> 00:34:02,320
Speaker 1: about moving, my take is, who is my spendali in

647
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Speaker 1: the building? Will somebody get me? Brian Dabeles work with

648
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Speaker 1: Daniel Jones. He's worked with Josh Allen. Brian Dabeles been

649
00:34:09,760 --> 00:34:11,800
Speaker 1: around forever. Man Jeanie calls him one of his best

650
00:34:11,840 --> 00:34:14,400
Speaker 1: assistants he's ever known. Like, you go into a building

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Speaker 1: with a guy you can literally be on the same wavelength.

652
00:34:18,239 --> 00:34:21,760
Speaker 1: I mean, Arthur Smith does not appear to be likable

653
00:34:21,880 --> 00:34:24,120
Speaker 1: and Mike Tomlin does not appear to care about offense.

654
00:34:24,520 --> 00:34:28,240
Speaker 1: And you got two receivers who want to be ones.

655
00:34:28,840 --> 00:34:31,880
Speaker 1: I look at Pittsburgh and think this is a powder

656
00:34:32,080 --> 00:34:33,760
Speaker 1: kid to two things.

657
00:34:34,400 --> 00:34:39,640
Speaker 2: One I could be wrong. I obviously don't know the man.

658
00:34:40,600 --> 00:34:42,640
Speaker 2: I don't think he cares about moving.

659
00:34:43,320 --> 00:34:49,000
Speaker 7: He'll like, come on, he travels to Tahiti in Thailand,

660
00:34:49,080 --> 00:34:53,080
Speaker 7: and he lived for fifteen years in Green Bay, Wisconsin.

661
00:34:53,320 --> 00:34:57,360
Speaker 7: In you know, he he'll be fine for eight months

662
00:34:57,360 --> 00:35:01,200
Speaker 7: in Pittsburgh. I have a hard time believing that is

663
00:35:01,280 --> 00:35:01,560
Speaker 7: going to.

664
00:35:01,600 --> 00:35:05,560
Speaker 6: Be a determining factor for him. Maybe I'm wrong, but

665
00:35:05,640 --> 00:35:07,640
Speaker 6: I just I think he'll be fine. He's a very

666
00:35:07,680 --> 00:35:12,840
Speaker 6: well traveled individual. He'll have as much power in the

667
00:35:12,880 --> 00:35:15,720
Speaker 6: offensive side as he wants. Who knows, maybe he'll fire

668
00:35:15,800 --> 00:35:19,319
Speaker 6: Arthur Smith and they'll hire Nathaniel Hackett like he is

669
00:35:19,360 --> 00:35:23,200
Speaker 6: the offensive coordinator in and of himself. I think he

670
00:35:23,320 --> 00:35:27,160
Speaker 6: loves Tomlin. I think that they've flirted with each other.

671
00:35:27,280 --> 00:35:29,720
Speaker 6: They wink at each other on the sideline. He shouts

672
00:35:29,760 --> 00:35:32,640
Speaker 6: him out when he does the McAfee interviews. I think

673
00:35:32,680 --> 00:35:36,960
Speaker 6: he's got a respect for him. Conspiracy theory. McAfee today

674
00:35:37,680 --> 00:35:42,080
Speaker 6: retweeted a video of Rogers talking about Tomlin from like

675
00:35:42,120 --> 00:35:46,680
Speaker 6: twenty twenty one. I think it's happening. I think it's happening.

676
00:35:46,880 --> 00:35:48,680
Speaker 6: I think he's going to announce it on that show.

677
00:35:49,320 --> 00:35:53,080
Speaker 6: McAfee is a Pittsburgh guy, or a Pennsylvania guy, whatever

678
00:35:53,120 --> 00:35:53,360
Speaker 6: he is.

679
00:35:53,400 --> 00:35:56,359
Speaker 2: He's doing some show in Pittsburgh coming out soon. He's

680
00:35:56,400 --> 00:35:57,439
Speaker 2: on a big night act.

681
00:35:58,440 --> 00:36:01,920
Speaker 6: I don't fully understand the McAfee universe, but like I

682
00:36:01,960 --> 00:36:05,680
Speaker 6: think Rogers, who's apparently making seven figures from the guy,

683
00:36:06,280 --> 00:36:08,719
Speaker 6: which is amazing, good gig if you can get it.

684
00:36:09,160 --> 00:36:11,480
Speaker 6: I think he's announcing that he's going to Pittsburgh with

685
00:36:11,640 --> 00:36:14,200
Speaker 6: McAfee at his show in Pittsburgh, and he's a Steeler.

686
00:36:14,280 --> 00:36:17,600
Speaker 2: That's what I think is all right, Just you're probably right.

687
00:36:18,040 --> 00:36:20,480
Speaker 1: I'm just telling you the stuff that matters to me,

688
00:36:20,680 --> 00:36:23,400
Speaker 1: which is, don't have to worry about moving left tackle,

689
00:36:23,520 --> 00:36:26,120
Speaker 1: offensive coach, great weapon, and I'm going to have power

690
00:36:26,120 --> 00:36:26,600
Speaker 1: in the building.

691
00:36:26,760 --> 00:36:28,400
Speaker 2: I'll get a say in the building. Where do you

692
00:36:28,440 --> 00:36:31,759
Speaker 2: think he wins more football games Pittsburgh?

693
00:36:31,880 --> 00:36:34,080
Speaker 6: Yeah, so I guess okay, And this would be the

694
00:36:34,120 --> 00:36:36,239
Speaker 6: other thing I wanted to say to you. And this

695
00:36:36,440 --> 00:36:40,080
Speaker 6: is like a like developing more as my media career

696
00:36:40,160 --> 00:36:44,840
Speaker 6: continues to just get older or whatever. I root for

697
00:36:44,880 --> 00:36:52,359
Speaker 6: interesting powder keg great, awesome. It is so much more

698
00:36:52,400 --> 00:36:56,920
Speaker 6: interesting if Aaron Rodgers is in Pittsburgh with Mike Tomlin that,

699
00:36:57,320 --> 00:36:57,680
Speaker 6: you know what.

700
00:36:57,840 --> 00:37:00,120
Speaker 2: Great point. Like I've said it.

701
00:37:00,160 --> 00:37:01,839
Speaker 6: I had our guys work up a photoshop of him

702
00:37:01,840 --> 00:37:04,200
Speaker 6: in the Steelers' uniform the day the season ended. Like

703
00:37:04,280 --> 00:37:08,359
Speaker 6: to me, it's made obviously, if Minnesota wants him, that's

704
00:37:08,400 --> 00:37:12,360
Speaker 6: a better situation obviously. So I see him holding I

705
00:37:12,360 --> 00:37:14,120
Speaker 6: can see him holding out for that. I think they're

706
00:37:14,120 --> 00:37:15,320
Speaker 6: gonna go JJ McCarthy.

707
00:37:15,360 --> 00:37:19,560
Speaker 2: We'll see. But and the Steelers would be on national

708
00:37:19,600 --> 00:37:21,600
Speaker 2: TV six times.

709
00:37:22,320 --> 00:37:25,680
Speaker 6: They would be hyper relevant and hyper interesting, good or bad,

710
00:37:26,360 --> 00:37:27,120
Speaker 6: good or bad.

711
00:37:27,280 --> 00:37:30,120
Speaker 2: So I am if he's going to play and.

712
00:37:30,040 --> 00:37:32,200
Speaker 6: We're going to talk about him, and he's gonna suck

713
00:37:32,280 --> 00:37:35,239
Speaker 6: all the oxygen out of a room, I would much

714
00:37:35,360 --> 00:37:37,319
Speaker 6: rather him do it on a ten or eleven win

715
00:37:37,440 --> 00:37:39,680
Speaker 6: team than a five or six win team. So I'm

716
00:37:39,719 --> 00:37:48,000
Speaker 6: personally am rooting for Pittsburgh.

717
00:37:48,320 --> 00:37:51,920
Speaker 1: I want to throw this with Aaron Rodgers and the Vikings,

718
00:37:52,719 --> 00:37:57,480
Speaker 1: the Steelers, you know, the Giants interested. So I've said before,

719
00:37:57,600 --> 00:37:59,680
Speaker 1: the Vikings is the obvious choice if you could do it,

720
00:37:59,680 --> 00:38:01,760
Speaker 1: if you want. I wanted one more year with their personnel

721
00:38:01,800 --> 00:38:04,200
Speaker 1: and their coach. Giants two to me, Steeters three. I'll

722
00:38:04,200 --> 00:38:07,279
Speaker 1: get to that in a second. But I went and

723
00:38:07,320 --> 00:38:12,359
Speaker 1: watched a movie this morning eleven forty called Black Bag.

724
00:38:12,440 --> 00:38:16,080
Speaker 1: It was Steven Soderberg, who's done. He started with sexualize

725
00:38:16,080 --> 00:38:21,160
Speaker 1: and videotape years ago. Very heavy stuff, very quirky, plot twist,

726
00:38:21,280 --> 00:38:24,200
Speaker 1: fascinating guy. The movie's great. I love that hour thirty three.

727
00:38:24,560 --> 00:38:26,719
Speaker 1: I mean, you're in and out of the theater. It's fascinating,

728
00:38:27,000 --> 00:38:30,640
Speaker 1: not a wasted scene. But as I was watching it,

729
00:38:30,680 --> 00:38:33,040
Speaker 1: I was thinking, as I walked out of the theater,

730
00:38:33,280 --> 00:38:33,840
Speaker 1: is that.

731
00:38:35,200 --> 00:38:36,200
Speaker 3: You can tell.

732
00:38:36,680 --> 00:38:40,920
Speaker 1: How smart an actor is by the directors and the

733
00:38:41,000 --> 00:38:44,279
Speaker 1: choices they make for movies. Bad dumb actors end up

734
00:38:44,320 --> 00:38:48,200
Speaker 1: in bad films and make bad choices. Tom Hanks did

735
00:38:48,239 --> 00:38:50,720
Speaker 1: not make a bad choice for like ten years.

736
00:38:51,400 --> 00:38:51,600
Speaker 2: Now.

737
00:38:51,640 --> 00:38:55,000
Speaker 1: I know Tom Hanks gets better scripts than the average guy.

738
00:38:55,760 --> 00:38:58,640
Speaker 1: But you know, even a movie like Big, you know

739
00:38:58,719 --> 00:39:03,080
Speaker 1: you're like smarts, choose smarter roles. And I think this

740
00:39:03,160 --> 00:39:06,719
Speaker 1: is the ultimate test for Aaron Rodgers. Hear me out.

741
00:39:07,520 --> 00:39:10,839
Speaker 1: So the teams that want in Minnesota, Pittsburgh, and New York.

742
00:39:10,960 --> 00:39:14,279
Speaker 1: Pittsburgh's got the best overall roster. The best overall coach

743
00:39:14,320 --> 00:39:19,560
Speaker 1: is probably in Minnesota. But here's something fascinating about the Steelers.

744
00:39:20,520 --> 00:39:24,520
Speaker 1: So in five of the last seven years, and I

745
00:39:24,520 --> 00:39:26,719
Speaker 1: think we both agree they draft and develop well, they

746
00:39:26,800 --> 00:39:29,920
Speaker 1: got dudes. This is a real roster. Five of the

747
00:39:30,000 --> 00:39:33,359
Speaker 1: last seven years they've had at least a three game

748
00:39:33,440 --> 00:39:37,200
Speaker 1: losing streak at minimum at the end of the year.

749
00:39:37,880 --> 00:39:40,600
Speaker 1: And my belief is as the league has gotten offensively

750
00:39:40,680 --> 00:39:43,600
Speaker 1: smarter and the culture has changed and defenses are limited.

751
00:39:45,760 --> 00:39:48,600
Speaker 1: That Mike Tomlin is a raw raw coach, kind of

752
00:39:48,800 --> 00:39:50,960
Speaker 1: a motivator. That's why such a good as an underdog

753
00:39:51,000 --> 00:39:57,280
Speaker 1: coach is that the raw raw stuff, it doesn't land

754
00:39:57,480 --> 00:40:01,359
Speaker 1: or stick by Christmas on, It just doesn't. Players have

755
00:40:01,400 --> 00:40:06,279
Speaker 1: heard it, and that they're just not a sophisticated team offensively.

756
00:40:06,440 --> 00:40:09,240
Speaker 1: They can't get the O line right, which Andy Reid, McVeigh,

757
00:40:09,320 --> 00:40:12,160
Speaker 1: Shanahan and Gary Sean Payton, those guys within a year

758
00:40:12,200 --> 00:40:13,880
Speaker 1: can figure I mean, the Denver O line sucked.

759
00:40:13,920 --> 00:40:16,960
Speaker 2: Peyton got there. It was top eight, you know, his first.

760
00:40:16,719 --> 00:40:21,960
Speaker 1: Year, and that I think if Aaron chooses the Steelers,

761
00:40:22,719 --> 00:40:26,840
Speaker 1: I think it's a big brand, it's a good roster.

762
00:40:27,600 --> 00:40:31,400
Speaker 1: You now have two high maintenance receivers who want the ball.

763
00:40:31,800 --> 00:40:34,399
Speaker 1: By the way, DK Metcalf's the most penalized receiver since

764
00:40:34,400 --> 00:40:36,840
Speaker 1: the enter of the league, temperamental. You have an O

765
00:40:37,080 --> 00:40:41,239
Speaker 1: line that can't figure out. They have no sensibility for it.

766
00:40:42,560 --> 00:40:44,520
Speaker 1: He's sort of an outsider in a in a kind

767
00:40:44,520 --> 00:40:45,799
Speaker 1: of a tough blue collar city.

768
00:40:45,840 --> 00:40:46,600
Speaker 2: He's an outsider.

769
00:40:47,400 --> 00:40:50,839
Speaker 1: And if he chooses Pittsburgh, I really think it tells

770
00:40:50,840 --> 00:40:52,719
Speaker 1: you a lot about Aaron. I mean I would I'll

771
00:40:52,719 --> 00:40:56,160
Speaker 1: tell you I would choose the Giants over Pittsburgh. Pittsburgh

772
00:40:56,239 --> 00:40:58,680
Speaker 1: just lost their left tackle, but just lost Najie Harris.

773
00:40:59,239 --> 00:41:01,960
Speaker 1: It's like, if the Giants have an excellent left tackle

774
00:41:02,000 --> 00:41:05,480
Speaker 1: an offensive coach, Aaron will have power. They have an

775
00:41:05,480 --> 00:41:07,920
Speaker 1: elite weapon. And by the way, what they need is

776
00:41:07,920 --> 00:41:10,480
Speaker 1: a running back. It's a great running back draft. It's

777
00:41:10,520 --> 00:41:12,320
Speaker 1: hard to screw the running back. I mean, the Giants

778
00:41:12,320 --> 00:41:15,399
Speaker 1: will take a running back somewhere early. So my take

779
00:41:15,440 --> 00:41:20,160
Speaker 1: on Aaron is if he chooses the Steelers, he's passing

780
00:41:20,200 --> 00:41:24,440
Speaker 1: on offensive coaches who clearly every rule advantage goes to

781
00:41:24,480 --> 00:41:28,520
Speaker 1: that side. And I'm fascinated by the choice he makes

782
00:41:28,640 --> 00:41:32,239
Speaker 1: because I'm you know, you start hearing things. A lot

783
00:41:32,320 --> 00:41:36,000
Speaker 1: of people think he's going to Pittsburgh. If you just

784
00:41:36,080 --> 00:41:39,879
Speaker 1: wanted to play one more year, where would you.

785
00:41:39,800 --> 00:41:42,879
Speaker 3: Pick'd be begging are we factoring Minnesota in with these

786
00:41:42,880 --> 00:41:46,200
Speaker 3: three or just the os two? Begging O'Connell to let

787
00:41:46,239 --> 00:41:47,320
Speaker 3: me be the starting quarterback.

788
00:41:47,360 --> 00:41:49,120
Speaker 2: Okay, I see.

789
00:41:48,960 --> 00:41:50,719
Speaker 3: Some of these reports that you know he needs thirty

790
00:41:50,840 --> 00:41:53,760
Speaker 3: forty million dollars, like guy's made four and fifty million dollars.

791
00:41:54,040 --> 00:41:55,960
Speaker 3: This is probably going to be his last season. Is

792
00:41:56,000 --> 00:41:58,239
Speaker 3: he going to go out on the embarrassment that was

793
00:41:58,280 --> 00:42:01,880
Speaker 3: the Jet situation in these last couple of years. To me,

794
00:42:01,960 --> 00:42:05,839
Speaker 3: the Giants thing is, I can't get with you there.

795
00:42:06,320 --> 00:42:08,520
Speaker 3: Now I'm with you. I think the Steeler situation's a

796
00:42:08,560 --> 00:42:11,120
Speaker 3: little overrated. I mean, they just they happened to have

797
00:42:11,239 --> 00:42:14,440
Speaker 3: Lamar Jackson, who's I don't know, the most unique quarterback

798
00:42:14,480 --> 00:42:16,520
Speaker 3: we've ever seen, and Joe Burrow, who when he's on

799
00:42:16,719 --> 00:42:19,239
Speaker 3: might be the best quarterback.

800
00:42:18,760 --> 00:42:19,400
Speaker 2: In the league.

801
00:42:19,440 --> 00:42:21,880
Speaker 3: I mean, you're not out doing those two teams. And

802
00:42:21,920 --> 00:42:25,000
Speaker 3: then Cleveland just resigned one of the greatest pass rushers ever.

803
00:42:25,040 --> 00:42:29,080
Speaker 3: And for a weird organization that they are not easy

804
00:42:29,080 --> 00:42:32,759
Speaker 3: to play, that division's really really difficult. And I'm with

805
00:42:32,800 --> 00:42:36,400
Speaker 3: you on the Steelers. I thought that that DK Metcalf

806
00:42:36,480 --> 00:42:41,000
Speaker 3: trade was insanity, Colin, When you don't have your quarterback

807
00:42:41,480 --> 00:42:45,120
Speaker 3: to trade for DK Metcalf when down the stretch of

808
00:42:45,160 --> 00:42:47,760
Speaker 3: the season, obviously your offense had some issues, but Russell

809
00:42:47,840 --> 00:42:50,920
Speaker 3: did not play well, your defense was falling apart. You

810
00:42:50,960 --> 00:42:52,840
Speaker 3: are not in the business of giving a guy one

811
00:42:52,920 --> 00:42:56,759
Speaker 3: hundred million dollars guaranteed trading a second round pick. That's

812
00:42:56,920 --> 00:42:58,840
Speaker 3: look what the Chiefs or Bill should do, not a

813
00:42:58,880 --> 00:43:01,640
Speaker 3: team that's barely getting in the playoffs and getting smoked

814
00:43:01,680 --> 00:43:04,160
Speaker 3: the moment they get in. That was crazy. I thought

815
00:43:04,160 --> 00:43:06,760
Speaker 3: that was the craziest move when you factor in money

816
00:43:06,800 --> 00:43:09,480
Speaker 3: and a high draft pick. But I don't think the

817
00:43:09,480 --> 00:43:12,400
Speaker 3: Steelers and the Giants are that good options, Like I

818
00:43:12,440 --> 00:43:14,680
Speaker 3: see one the Giants, I don't think would make the

819
00:43:14,680 --> 00:43:16,600
Speaker 3: playoffs with them. I mean, the Jets were a much

820
00:43:16,600 --> 00:43:19,759
Speaker 3: better team either, and I think the Steelers situation would

821
00:43:19,800 --> 00:43:23,239
Speaker 3: probably have some parallels, might look a little better. But

822
00:43:23,360 --> 00:43:25,879
Speaker 3: like the way this season nine to ten wins get

823
00:43:25,880 --> 00:43:28,279
Speaker 3: blasted by the Ravens for Bills yea, and what's he

824
00:43:28,320 --> 00:43:29,120
Speaker 3: just going to retire for it?

825
00:43:29,200 --> 00:43:31,839
Speaker 1: By the way, last year, to my point, last year,

826
00:43:31,840 --> 00:43:33,920
Speaker 1: to my point, the Steelers were an awful team down

827
00:43:33,920 --> 00:43:34,320
Speaker 1: the stretch.

828
00:43:34,480 --> 00:43:37,320
Speaker 3: I do think and I would imagine, you know, Kevin O'Connell,

829
00:43:37,320 --> 00:43:39,560
Speaker 3: I don't think he's ever worked with Aaron. They're just

830
00:43:39,560 --> 00:43:42,840
Speaker 3: having long conversations because they go, are we confident that

831
00:43:42,880 --> 00:43:45,360
Speaker 3: we could win the division and win playoff games with

832
00:43:45,480 --> 00:43:49,480
Speaker 3: JJ McCarthy, Because they I'm telling you we've seen it.

833
00:43:50,000 --> 00:43:52,560
Speaker 3: I know you know this, but like you could win

834
00:43:52,960 --> 00:43:55,480
Speaker 3: just because this isn't the NBA when you just put

835
00:43:55,480 --> 00:43:57,960
Speaker 3: a great roster like guaranteed to make the playoffs and football,

836
00:43:58,719 --> 00:44:01,360
Speaker 3: the cohesion and the quarterback play. Sam Donald threw thirty

837
00:44:01,360 --> 00:44:04,400
Speaker 3: five touchdowns last year. JJ McCarthy in fifteen games that

838
00:44:04,520 --> 00:44:07,160
Speaker 3: last year in Michigan through twenty two. He's never played

839
00:44:07,239 --> 00:44:09,799
Speaker 3: like that. They did not, that's not And if Kevin

840
00:44:09,840 --> 00:44:12,600
Speaker 3: O'Connell clearly is much more like McVeigh than Shanahan. He

841
00:44:12,760 --> 00:44:15,239
Speaker 3: likes to throw the ball. I mean he is, that's

842
00:44:15,280 --> 00:44:17,719
Speaker 3: his you know, he wants to call thirty five to

843
00:44:17,760 --> 00:44:20,400
Speaker 3: forty passes a game, even when Sam Donald's getting smoked

844
00:44:20,400 --> 00:44:22,319
Speaker 3: in the playoff games, like Kevin run the ball, he

845
00:44:22,400 --> 00:44:26,080
Speaker 3: just kept calling pass plays. So I'd be begging Kevin O'Connell.

846
00:44:26,200 --> 00:44:28,320
Speaker 3: I think that roster. I would disagree with you on

847
00:44:28,360 --> 00:44:31,360
Speaker 3: the Steelers. I think the Vikings have a better roster today.

848
00:44:31,480 --> 00:44:33,200
Speaker 3: Now the draft, we'll see what happens, you do. I

849
00:44:33,280 --> 00:44:35,480
Speaker 3: mean I thought they had an excellent free agency drafting

850
00:44:35,719 --> 00:44:38,279
Speaker 3: or I mean signed a couple offensive linemen plug and play,

851
00:44:38,280 --> 00:44:40,520
Speaker 3: a guard in a center, a couple of defensive linemen.

852
00:44:40,640 --> 00:44:43,080
Speaker 3: I mean their defense overachieved because Flores is such an

853
00:44:43,120 --> 00:44:46,840
Speaker 3: elite coordinator now, so they bring a couple more defensive linemen.

854
00:44:47,280 --> 00:44:50,000
Speaker 3: I would imagine they draft defense. Their offense is stacked

855
00:44:50,200 --> 00:44:53,319
Speaker 3: skill wise, so you know it'd be I mean, it'd

856
00:44:53,320 --> 00:44:56,280
Speaker 3: be a little weird, right if Aaron's career literally paralleled

857
00:44:56,320 --> 00:44:58,040
Speaker 3: the guy that always drove him nuts far if of

858
00:44:58,080 --> 00:45:02,240
Speaker 3: going to the Jets than the Vikings. Yeah, but that division,

859
00:45:02,280 --> 00:45:05,359
Speaker 3: I think the one thing right now on paper, when

860
00:45:05,440 --> 00:45:08,120
Speaker 3: you say the NFC North is the best division in

861
00:45:08,160 --> 00:45:10,239
Speaker 3: all of football with the Bears looking vastly.

862
00:45:09,960 --> 00:45:12,880
Speaker 1: I brow, well, I think it's the best division in

863
00:45:12,960 --> 00:45:16,200
Speaker 1: terms of personnel. I think the AFC West is the

864
00:45:16,200 --> 00:45:20,040
Speaker 1: best division in terms of coaching with Peyton, Pete, Andy

865
00:45:20,200 --> 00:45:23,120
Speaker 1: and Harbaugh. So those are the two best divisions. And

866
00:45:23,640 --> 00:45:26,440
Speaker 1: I don't think it's a I don't think it's a coincidence.

867
00:45:28,560 --> 00:45:29,080
Speaker 2: Well, I just.

868
00:45:32,160 --> 00:45:35,640
Speaker 1: The South is such a huge college football region that

869
00:45:35,719 --> 00:45:38,000
Speaker 1: both the NFC and the AFC South are very good.

870
00:45:38,000 --> 00:45:41,719
Speaker 1: I've always surmised that college football is so big in

871
00:45:41,760 --> 00:45:43,759
Speaker 1: that part of the country that you don't face the

872
00:45:43,800 --> 00:45:46,720
Speaker 1: same level of pressure that you do on Northern teams

873
00:45:46,760 --> 00:45:51,239
Speaker 1: like New England, Boston Media, Philly Media, Baltimore Media. You know,

874
00:45:51,320 --> 00:45:55,239
Speaker 1: I mean like cold Weather, Pittsburgh. They live, they don't

875
00:45:55,239 --> 00:45:58,239
Speaker 1: care about college football. They live for the NFL. These

876
00:45:58,960 --> 00:46:03,200
Speaker 1: NFCAFC Souths. You're like, eh, we'll keep Todd Bowles again.

877
00:46:03,400 --> 00:46:05,480
Speaker 1: If he coaches the Eagles, he'd be gone tomorrow.

878
00:46:05,520 --> 00:46:07,680
Speaker 3: Said, you know what's funny is probably like a year ago,

879
00:46:08,160 --> 00:46:11,480
Speaker 3: Maria has a close friend who's really successful, girl UCLA grad,

880
00:46:11,600 --> 00:46:14,320
Speaker 3: just crushes. She's like thirty years old, she's got multiple properties.

881
00:46:14,800 --> 00:46:17,760
Speaker 3: And she was telling me this. She had this acronym.

882
00:46:17,760 --> 00:46:20,040
Speaker 3: I forget exactly what it was, but it basically described

883
00:46:20,120 --> 00:46:23,160
Speaker 3: high maintenance friends and the moment you become a high

884
00:46:23,160 --> 00:46:25,359
Speaker 3: maintenance friend in her life. She's got too much going on,

885
00:46:25,600 --> 00:46:28,279
Speaker 3: she got a young baby, she's out on you. If

886
00:46:28,280 --> 00:46:30,000
Speaker 3: I would have told you four or five years ago

887
00:46:30,160 --> 00:46:32,640
Speaker 3: that we'd be a week into free agency, and people

888
00:46:32,680 --> 00:46:36,480
Speaker 3: like Russell Wilson Aaron Rodgers like, yeah, well we'll get

889
00:46:36,480 --> 00:46:39,359
Speaker 3: back to you here a little bit. It's crazy. How

890
00:46:39,440 --> 00:46:42,319
Speaker 3: And I think both guys, if they were viewed, let's

891
00:46:42,400 --> 00:46:45,680
Speaker 3: use Geno and Sam, are viewed as low maintenance, good guys.

892
00:46:45,760 --> 00:46:48,640
Speaker 3: Everyone likes them. No problems. If both these guys were

893
00:46:48,760 --> 00:46:51,799
Speaker 3: viewed as just normal humans, like a Drew Brees or

894
00:46:51,920 --> 00:46:53,640
Speaker 3: I know he's like super high care, but I just

895
00:46:53,680 --> 00:46:56,400
Speaker 3: mean like normal guys. I think they both would have

896
00:46:56,440 --> 00:46:58,640
Speaker 3: been signed had they would have had a bidding war

897
00:46:58,680 --> 00:47:01,960
Speaker 3: for these guys, because they're still solid. They're clearly not

898
00:47:02,040 --> 00:47:04,840
Speaker 3: as good as they once were. But it's like the

899
00:47:04,920 --> 00:47:07,800
Speaker 3: first question. And I've been in these meetings, not necessarily

900
00:47:07,800 --> 00:47:10,279
Speaker 3: with these individual players, but players like this, like do

901
00:47:10,320 --> 00:47:12,520
Speaker 3: we want to deal with this? Like do we want

902
00:47:12,600 --> 00:47:16,759
Speaker 3: an either stardom is now bigger than their talent that

903
00:47:16,840 --> 00:47:21,000
Speaker 3: it's like, is this high maintenance worth the headache enough?

904
00:47:22,400 --> 00:47:27,840
Speaker 1: Look at des Bryant disappeared, don obj disappear, Aaron Rodgers

905
00:47:27,920 --> 00:47:31,880
Speaker 1: Russell not really interested? I think, and I'll throw this

906
00:47:31,960 --> 00:47:35,120
Speaker 1: at you. I love the NBA, but there's some high maintenance,

907
00:47:35,280 --> 00:47:39,360
Speaker 1: you know, these guaranteed contracts. I think the NFL people,

908
00:47:39,680 --> 00:47:43,760
Speaker 1: and I've had discussions with NFL people for my entire career.

909
00:47:44,280 --> 00:47:51,600
Speaker 1: They often reference Dude, that's an NBA, that's an NBA idea.

910
00:47:51,719 --> 00:47:54,320
Speaker 1: They make fun of the NBA and how much players

911
00:47:54,320 --> 00:47:59,839
Speaker 1: and employees control the entire organization. Embiid everybody's hostage doing.

912
00:48:00,960 --> 00:48:04,560
Speaker 1: And I mean you've heard gms reference this before, like

913
00:48:04,600 --> 00:48:07,520
Speaker 1: there Aaron and Russell are getting into sort of like

914
00:48:07,840 --> 00:48:11,680
Speaker 1: a little bit of NBA where you're like, this is

915
00:48:11,719 --> 00:48:14,759
Speaker 1: a team sport, like this is about the group and

916
00:48:14,800 --> 00:48:19,000
Speaker 1: the community not I mean when Aaron said, you know,

917
00:48:19,040 --> 00:48:21,319
Speaker 1: there's that picture in Malibu where he's you know, he's

918
00:48:21,360 --> 00:48:25,520
Speaker 1: got the pod pods on, and I'm thinking, every guy,

919
00:48:25,520 --> 00:48:30,000
Speaker 1: every NFL GM is thinking, listen, just make an e

920
00:48:30,080 --> 00:48:33,880
Speaker 1: fin decision. Okay, like you're not married, you don't have kids,

921
00:48:33,880 --> 00:48:36,920
Speaker 1: you're not doing much, you're golfing, and you're reading Greek

922
00:48:36,960 --> 00:48:40,680
Speaker 1: mythology like that to me, I listen. I've talked to

923
00:48:40,719 --> 00:48:43,719
Speaker 1: two GMS and they're like, you couldn't I'm not interested

924
00:48:44,120 --> 00:48:46,319
Speaker 1: in Aaron, and I'm like, yeah, but he's he's still

925
00:48:46,320 --> 00:48:49,760
Speaker 1: pretty good, and they're like that just I mean, Aaron

926
00:48:49,840 --> 00:48:54,600
Speaker 1: Glenn basically just said we're just no, thank you, and

927
00:48:54,840 --> 00:48:58,279
Speaker 1: Aaron was actually pretty good down the stretch. This isn't

928
00:48:58,280 --> 00:49:00,920
Speaker 1: a shot at Aaron. It's what I'm here from executives

929
00:49:00,920 --> 00:49:02,680
Speaker 1: in the league, it's like no thing well, I.

930
00:49:02,640 --> 00:49:06,160
Speaker 3: Mean, look look at the Titans. Their new GM is

931
00:49:06,440 --> 00:49:08,600
Speaker 3: from the Chiefs. So he's spend his whole time around

932
00:49:08,680 --> 00:49:12,040
Speaker 3: Andy Veach, Mahomes, Alex the guy kind of in this

933
00:49:12,120 --> 00:49:14,560
Speaker 3: weird position who's like the president, but he's also kind

934
00:49:14,600 --> 00:49:17,279
Speaker 3: of got a scouting background, is a packer guy. They

935
00:49:17,320 --> 00:49:19,640
Speaker 3: have no interest. Even if they're going to take cam Ward,

936
00:49:19,680 --> 00:49:22,160
Speaker 3: like you guys, get Aaron Rodgers, bring him to Nashville

937
00:49:22,200 --> 00:49:24,200
Speaker 3: for a year, get a little buzz. As you're building

938
00:49:24,239 --> 00:49:26,680
Speaker 3: this new stadium. You haven't heard a peep, you know.

939
00:49:26,760 --> 00:49:30,319
Speaker 3: It's like, it's just crazy. How think of the top

940
00:49:30,400 --> 00:49:33,719
Speaker 3: quarterbacks in this in the league, Patrick Mahomes, the only

941
00:49:33,800 --> 00:49:35,800
Speaker 3: maintenance they ever have to deal with is his family.

942
00:49:35,920 --> 00:49:38,759
Speaker 3: It's not him like he is. They don't even think

943
00:49:38,800 --> 00:49:44,080
Speaker 3: about him. Josh Allen, Lamar Jackson, Herbert Burrow. I mean

944
00:49:44,120 --> 00:49:46,440
Speaker 3: Burrow has kind of had to hold their feet to

945
00:49:46,440 --> 00:49:49,520
Speaker 3: the fire just historically this organization. If you put Burrow

946
00:49:49,600 --> 00:49:51,560
Speaker 3: in the Ravens or the Chiefs, he wouldn't be saying

947
00:49:51,560 --> 00:49:53,719
Speaker 3: a peep. He's just scared that this this owner is

948
00:49:53,760 --> 00:49:55,920
Speaker 3: going to be cheap. Don't blame him, but I think

949
00:49:55,960 --> 00:49:59,520
Speaker 3: the league, the star quarterbacks are just full of guys

950
00:49:59,640 --> 00:50:02,799
Speaker 3: who are just you never the season ends and It's like,

951
00:50:02,880 --> 00:50:04,960
Speaker 3: I don't know what Josh Allen's doing. He's just doing

952
00:50:05,239 --> 00:50:07,520
Speaker 3: You had a bachelor party at the Tiger Woods thing

953
00:50:07,520 --> 00:50:10,080
Speaker 3: in Orlando just with his buddies. And I think Aaron

954
00:50:10,160 --> 00:50:13,799
Speaker 3: Rodgers and Russell they're different personalities, but I think they

955
00:50:13,880 --> 00:50:15,880
Speaker 3: both check the same box of like, I don't know

956
00:50:15,880 --> 00:50:18,480
Speaker 3: if we have the energy and you're and you're not

957
00:50:18,600 --> 00:50:22,080
Speaker 3: good enough anymore for us to overlook at because if

958
00:50:22,120 --> 00:50:25,920
Speaker 3: you put Aaron Rodgers on Minnesota, you know, I could

959
00:50:25,920 --> 00:50:27,160
Speaker 3: see it going well, But I get on be good

960
00:50:27,160 --> 00:50:29,680
Speaker 3: team weird, like are you sure that you're comfortable with

961
00:50:29,800 --> 00:50:33,239
Speaker 3: him with JJ in that situation. But I do think

962
00:50:33,239 --> 00:50:35,759
Speaker 3: they're thinking long and hard. But these guys don't really

963
00:50:35,760 --> 00:50:37,440
Speaker 3: have options, so they can just kind of wait it

964
00:50:37,440 --> 00:50:38,560
Speaker 3: out and keep talking through it.

965
00:50:40,000 --> 00:50:40,320
Speaker 2: Yeah.

966
00:50:40,480 --> 00:50:43,319
Speaker 1: No, I think it's a reality that there's there's there's

967
00:50:43,400 --> 00:50:46,319
Speaker 1: The players now are richer sooner. I mean some of

968
00:50:46,360 --> 00:50:49,239
Speaker 1: these guys now going forward, John, they'll come in multimillionaires

969
00:50:49,239 --> 00:50:51,480
Speaker 1: out of college. So you're gonna see You're gonna see

970
00:50:51,480 --> 00:50:55,200
Speaker 1: two things. Guys retire sooner, and guys have a little

971
00:50:55,200 --> 00:50:59,360
Speaker 1: more leverage sooner. And and I think the fear on

972
00:50:59,400 --> 00:51:02,640
Speaker 1: the end FL is we don't want to become pro basketball,

973
00:51:02,719 --> 00:51:06,640
Speaker 1: where basically the employees are are running the team, you know,

974
00:51:06,719 --> 00:51:09,040
Speaker 1: like Kawhi showing up at four point thirty and saying, yeah,

975
00:51:09,080 --> 00:51:10,799
Speaker 1: I'm not going to play tonight, Like, no, we're not.

976
00:51:11,120 --> 00:51:12,120
Speaker 2: We're not going there.

977
00:51:12,719 --> 00:51:16,279
Speaker 3: And I think when the NFL benefits, I do think

978
00:51:16,280 --> 00:51:19,279
Speaker 3: it could get much weirder in the offseason with the

979
00:51:19,320 --> 00:51:21,560
Speaker 3: holdouts and the hold ends like that. That's probably is

980
00:51:21,760 --> 00:51:25,040
Speaker 3: at the beginning of that. But in the sport of football,

981
00:51:25,120 --> 00:51:27,279
Speaker 3: unlike like in basketball, these guys could play three hundred

982
00:51:27,280 --> 00:51:28,719
Speaker 3: and sixty five days a year if they want to

983
00:51:28,800 --> 00:51:31,160
Speaker 3: right pick up games, you can play whatever. In football,

984
00:51:31,160 --> 00:51:34,200
Speaker 3: the only time you can actually play a game is

985
00:51:34,880 --> 00:51:37,560
Speaker 3: in the confines of the seventeen weeks. And that's the

986
00:51:37,600 --> 00:51:39,800
Speaker 3: fun part. What Ray Lewis say, you pay me Monday

987
00:51:39,800 --> 00:51:42,439
Speaker 3: through Saturday. Sundays are for free. The games are really

988
00:51:42,480 --> 00:51:44,600
Speaker 3: the fun part for the players. That's the problem with

989
00:51:44,600 --> 00:51:46,239
Speaker 3: the NBA. Turn on the TV. You never know who's

990
00:51:46,280 --> 00:51:48,560
Speaker 3: going to play. Even in the NFL, guy making forty

991
00:51:48,600 --> 00:51:50,920
Speaker 3: fifty million dollars, he's still going to want to play

992
00:51:50,920 --> 00:51:53,239
Speaker 3: in the games. Laramie Tunzel a lot of articles are

993
00:51:53,280 --> 00:51:55,720
Speaker 3: coming out like, you know, he's kind of late to practice,

994
00:51:55,760 --> 00:51:57,880
Speaker 3: doesn't always work hard. It's like, well, you don't know

995
00:51:57,920 --> 00:51:59,600
Speaker 3: that if you just watch the TV, because you're like,

996
00:51:59,640 --> 00:52:01,479
Speaker 3: he's a good players. I'd want him on my team.

997
00:52:01,600 --> 00:52:04,200
Speaker 3: So yeah, the NFL, they're weird. Stuff happens during the

998
00:52:04,200 --> 00:52:06,799
Speaker 3: week when no one's paying attention that the games is

999
00:52:06,920 --> 00:52:08,920
Speaker 3: like all the guys want to play.

1000
00:52:09,040 --> 00:52:11,479
Speaker 1: The Aaron Rodgers thing has been interesting because he wrote

1001
00:52:11,480 --> 00:52:15,040
Speaker 1: the book, so you know him pretty well. And I

1002
00:52:15,080 --> 00:52:19,560
Speaker 1: didn't think his I don't think his football. He's fine.

1003
00:52:19,760 --> 00:52:22,880
Speaker 1: He's you know, somewhere between the thirteenth and sixteenth best quarterback.

1004
00:52:22,920 --> 00:52:23,480
Speaker 2: He's fine.

1005
00:52:24,480 --> 00:52:26,279
Speaker 1: I don't think he's quite as committed as the young

1006
00:52:26,320 --> 00:52:28,120
Speaker 1: great ones. And I don't think he moves like the

1007
00:52:28,160 --> 00:52:32,879
Speaker 1: young great ones. He's smart. But when Aaron Glenn came

1008
00:52:32,920 --> 00:52:36,120
Speaker 1: in and for the second time in Aaron's career, he

1009
00:52:36,200 --> 00:52:39,840
Speaker 1: was caught off guard a little by a team saying hey, thanks,

1010
00:52:39,880 --> 00:52:42,400
Speaker 1: but no thanks. According to reports that you know, Aaron

1011
00:52:43,120 --> 00:52:45,479
Speaker 1: had flown a cross country meeting with him, and Aaron

1012
00:52:45,480 --> 00:52:48,719
Speaker 1: Glenn was like, we're going to move on and to

1013
00:52:48,760 --> 00:52:56,320
Speaker 1: me downgraded at quarterback. I mean, when you write a

1014
00:52:56,400 --> 00:52:59,320
Speaker 1: book on Aaron, you think you have a feel or

1015
00:52:59,400 --> 00:53:02,279
Speaker 1: a vibe for him. I said this the other day.

1016
00:53:02,440 --> 00:53:05,600
Speaker 1: If the Vikings say no, thanks, I think he retires.

1017
00:53:09,400 --> 00:53:11,640
Speaker 1: When you look at how the season went and now

1018
00:53:11,640 --> 00:53:16,000
Speaker 1: we're in this flux period. Are you surprised or could

1019
00:53:16,080 --> 00:53:19,720
Speaker 1: you have predicted it based on the over one hundred

1020
00:53:19,719 --> 00:53:22,920
Speaker 1: people you talk to in the conversation with Aaron, I.

1021
00:53:22,960 --> 00:53:27,080
Speaker 8: Think I'm not surprised that he I think the overriding

1022
00:53:27,120 --> 00:53:29,560
Speaker 8: feeling right now is that he still wants to play

1023
00:53:29,600 --> 00:53:31,879
Speaker 8: in maybe two years. I had a friend of his

1024
00:53:32,040 --> 00:53:35,120
Speaker 8: telling me two years a week ago, because he kind

1025
00:53:35,120 --> 00:53:37,799
Speaker 8: of feels like this past season Colin was a rehab year,

1026
00:53:38,760 --> 00:53:43,600
Speaker 8: and so if he has a good twenty twenty five,

1027
00:53:43,880 --> 00:53:46,239
Speaker 8: I really do expect him to try to play in

1028
00:53:46,320 --> 00:53:47,040
Speaker 8: twenty six.

1029
00:53:48,000 --> 00:53:51,120
Speaker 4: But we'll even play at all, Retirement is on the table.

1030
00:53:51,239 --> 00:53:51,640
Speaker 4: I think.

1031
00:53:51,760 --> 00:53:54,440
Speaker 8: I don't think the Vikings are going to sign him.

1032
00:53:54,680 --> 00:53:58,239
Speaker 8: That would be the best case scenario. But if you

1033
00:53:58,880 --> 00:54:01,920
Speaker 8: let's say you put the Viking Kings roster or the

1034
00:54:01,960 --> 00:54:05,319
Speaker 8: Steelers and the Giants had an equivalent talent base as

1035
00:54:05,360 --> 00:54:08,880
Speaker 8: the Vikings, same coaching, same talent, I actually think he

1036
00:54:08,920 --> 00:54:11,680
Speaker 8: picked the Giants because he does really like living in

1037
00:54:11,680 --> 00:54:13,960
Speaker 8: the New York, New Jersey area, despite the fact that

1038
00:54:14,000 --> 00:54:18,279
Speaker 8: the Jets thing was effectively a two year disaster. I

1039
00:54:18,320 --> 00:54:22,520
Speaker 8: do think if the Giants had a Vikings roster, I

1040
00:54:22,560 --> 00:54:24,680
Speaker 8: actually think he would pick the Giants. He has respect

1041
00:54:24,680 --> 00:54:28,000
Speaker 8: for that organization. They've had good conversations. I've talked to

1042
00:54:28,040 --> 00:54:29,719
Speaker 8: a couple of people with the Giants who said they

1043
00:54:29,760 --> 00:54:32,720
Speaker 8: have no issues with him as a locker room presence.

1044
00:54:32,760 --> 00:54:35,520
Speaker 8: As a personality, yeah, they don't care. They think he's

1045
00:54:35,560 --> 00:54:37,640
Speaker 8: the best available quarterback and they want him. They've made

1046
00:54:37,680 --> 00:54:40,840
Speaker 8: a good offer. If I had to put twenty bucks

1047
00:54:40,880 --> 00:54:43,560
Speaker 8: down today, I think he'll be the starting quarterback for

1048
00:54:43,600 --> 00:54:47,200
Speaker 8: the Steelers because I think he preferred the Vikings.

1049
00:54:48,160 --> 00:54:50,719
Speaker 4: But the Steelers, I think, really do want him.

1050
00:54:50,760 --> 00:54:54,600
Speaker 8: They've made that clear, and Mike Tomlin gives him the

1051
00:54:54,719 --> 00:54:57,040
Speaker 8: kind of coaching last year Colin. I've been doing this

1052
00:54:57,120 --> 00:54:59,719
Speaker 8: almost forty years in the New York market. That is

1053
00:54:59,760 --> 00:55:02,439
Speaker 8: one the two or three worst coaching jobs I've ever

1054
00:55:02,480 --> 00:55:05,359
Speaker 8: seen in any sport in New York. And so to

1055
00:55:05,400 --> 00:55:09,720
Speaker 8: go from that to Mike Tomlin. If Mike Tomlin coached

1056
00:55:09,719 --> 00:55:11,759
Speaker 8: the twenty twenty four Jets, they would have gone ten

1057
00:55:11,800 --> 00:55:14,319
Speaker 8: and seven. I'm convinced of that. That was a ten

1058
00:55:14,360 --> 00:55:18,240
Speaker 8: and seventeam that went five and twelve with horrific coaching.

1059
00:55:19,080 --> 00:55:22,239
Speaker 8: So I think with the Steelers and with the playmakers

1060
00:55:22,280 --> 00:55:25,360
Speaker 8: they have now and that roster and particularly the coaching,

1061
00:55:26,560 --> 00:55:30,120
Speaker 8: I think Aaron can go ten and seven, maybe eleven

1062
00:55:30,160 --> 00:55:32,160
Speaker 8: and six, and get back in the playoffs, and maybe

1063
00:55:32,280 --> 00:55:34,399
Speaker 8: that's the way to end his career. I think where

1064
00:55:34,400 --> 00:55:36,879
Speaker 8: the Giants are right now because they don't have that

1065
00:55:37,640 --> 00:55:39,640
Speaker 8: roster that we were talking about earlier with the Vikings,

1066
00:55:40,400 --> 00:55:43,640
Speaker 8: he's looking at that saying, geez, do I want to

1067
00:55:43,680 --> 00:55:46,200
Speaker 8: finish my career going five and twelve for one New

1068
00:55:46,280 --> 00:55:48,560
Speaker 8: York team and five and twelve for another. Have you

1069
00:55:48,600 --> 00:55:53,040
Speaker 8: looked at the Giants home schedule? Let me run these

1070
00:55:53,080 --> 00:55:55,719
Speaker 8: eight games by you, and you tell me they play

1071
00:55:55,800 --> 00:55:57,200
Speaker 8: nine on the road next year and eight at home.

1072
00:55:57,239 --> 00:56:01,040
Speaker 8: You tell me who the Giants are beating from this group? Dallas, Okay,

1073
00:56:01,239 --> 00:56:03,840
Speaker 8: I think they can beat Dallas. But then they're playing

1074
00:56:03,840 --> 00:56:07,759
Speaker 8: at home, Philly, Washington, Green Bay, Kansas City, the Chargers,

1075
00:56:08,080 --> 00:56:10,040
Speaker 8: the Vikings, and the forty nine ers. How many of

1076
00:56:10,040 --> 00:56:14,520
Speaker 8: those games are they winning? Maybe two if they're lucky.

1077
00:56:14,520 --> 00:56:16,920
Speaker 8: They go two and six at home, then on the road,

1078
00:56:16,920 --> 00:56:19,000
Speaker 8: they're at Dallas, they're at Philly, they're at Washington, they're

1079
00:56:19,040 --> 00:56:20,280
Speaker 8: at Denver, they're at Detroit.

1080
00:56:21,280 --> 00:56:22,479
Speaker 4: How many those games are they winning?

1081
00:56:22,600 --> 00:56:25,040
Speaker 8: So I think Aaron is far enough to look at

1082
00:56:25,040 --> 00:56:27,200
Speaker 8: that and say, do I really want to go five

1083
00:56:27,239 --> 00:56:27,720
Speaker 8: and twelve?

1084
00:56:27,800 --> 00:56:28,840
Speaker 4: Even if I play better?

1085
00:56:29,840 --> 00:56:32,520
Speaker 8: And even though I don't think the Jet thing is

1086
00:56:32,560 --> 00:56:34,440
Speaker 8: really going to hurt his legacy, I don't think ten

1087
00:56:34,520 --> 00:56:36,080
Speaker 8: fifteen years from now, when he's already in the Hall

1088
00:56:36,080 --> 00:56:38,279
Speaker 8: of Fame as a packer, people are going to be

1089
00:56:38,280 --> 00:56:40,200
Speaker 8: talking about his experience with the Jets. But if he

1090
00:56:40,280 --> 00:56:43,719
Speaker 8: does that again with a second team, I do think

1091
00:56:43,719 --> 00:56:46,560
Speaker 8: that will hurt his legacy. So to me, if the

1092
00:56:46,640 --> 00:56:50,200
Speaker 8: Vikings aren't interested and they're going with McCarthy pretty much

1093
00:56:50,239 --> 00:56:53,120
Speaker 8: right away, I think the Steelers make a lot of sense.

1094
00:56:53,239 --> 00:56:55,960
Speaker 8: I think Tomlin is a built in insurance policy that

1095
00:56:56,000 --> 00:56:58,759
Speaker 8: it won't be a disaster. I think he should do that.

1096
00:56:58,880 --> 00:57:01,360
Speaker 8: I think he'll play better. I think he'll make the playoffs,

1097
00:57:01,719 --> 00:57:03,080
Speaker 8: and that's the way to go out.

1098
00:57:04,719 --> 00:57:06,520
Speaker 1: So I said this the other day on the show.

1099
00:57:08,080 --> 00:57:09,960
Speaker 1: You know, obviously I was in the Northeast for ten

1100
00:57:10,000 --> 00:57:12,600
Speaker 1: and a half years. But one of the things I

1101
00:57:12,640 --> 00:57:15,520
Speaker 1: observed when I was in the city a lot or

1102
00:57:15,560 --> 00:57:18,720
Speaker 1: near it in Connecticut is that, you know, there's a

1103
00:57:18,720 --> 00:57:20,840
Speaker 1: lot of Yankee and Met fans, and a lot of

1104
00:57:20,880 --> 00:57:25,200
Speaker 1: Giant and Jet fans, but everybody in New York likes

1105
00:57:25,240 --> 00:57:29,760
Speaker 1: the Knicks. It's just every single friend I had in

1106
00:57:29,760 --> 00:57:32,320
Speaker 1: New York, and many of them, more than the Yankees

1107
00:57:32,400 --> 00:57:37,040
Speaker 1: or Giants, were Nick fans first. And again, I'm old

1108
00:57:37,120 --> 00:57:41,400
Speaker 1: enough to remember the Walt Fraser, Bill Bradley, Earl Monroe. Yet,

1109
00:57:41,480 --> 00:57:43,640
Speaker 1: like I go back to the seventies when nobody won.

1110
00:57:43,760 --> 00:57:45,720
Speaker 1: You know, the Lakers won a title, the Warriors did,

1111
00:57:45,720 --> 00:57:48,800
Speaker 1: the Washington Bullets did, the Sonics, the Blazers, the Knicks,

1112
00:57:49,560 --> 00:57:53,320
Speaker 1: and then there were the pat Riley iterations. But I

1113
00:57:53,360 --> 00:57:56,200
Speaker 1: always said, God, if Dolan could get out of the way,

1114
00:57:56,600 --> 00:57:59,360
Speaker 1: this city loves its team so much. And I think

1115
00:58:00,280 --> 00:58:03,640
Speaker 1: when the sphere got built for two years, Dolan removed

1116
00:58:03,720 --> 00:58:07,360
Speaker 1: himself from the facility, I mean literally physically. He was

1117
00:58:07,400 --> 00:58:10,160
Speaker 1: in Vegas so often, and it allowed the Knicks to

1118
00:58:10,200 --> 00:58:14,120
Speaker 1: really grow this really strong basketball group, and I think

1119
00:58:14,160 --> 00:58:19,560
Speaker 1: they've made very patient, very sharp moves. I don't think

1120
00:58:19,720 --> 00:58:21,800
Speaker 1: Kat is the future, but I think he was the

1121
00:58:21,880 --> 00:58:23,000
Speaker 1: right move at the right time.

1122
00:58:23,480 --> 00:58:24,560
Speaker 2: But there was a moment.

1123
00:58:24,320 --> 00:58:28,240
Speaker 1: Between Tibbs and Josh Hart the other day and Mikhale

1124
00:58:28,280 --> 00:58:30,760
Speaker 1: Bridges it was public that he had gone to Tibbs. Hey,

1125
00:58:30,800 --> 00:58:35,320
Speaker 1: we need to play the starters less, you know, young

1126
00:58:35,360 --> 00:58:38,720
Speaker 1: players don't get a lot of work and minutes under Tibbs.

1127
00:58:39,400 --> 00:58:44,200
Speaker 1: As great as the brief journey has been with Tom,

1128
00:58:44,560 --> 00:58:47,400
Speaker 1: it does feel like, does it not ian To get

1129
00:58:47,440 --> 00:58:51,480
Speaker 1: to the next level, you need two moves. Karl Anthony

1130
00:58:51,520 --> 00:58:55,320
Speaker 1: Towns probably gets replaced with a better defensive big or

1131
00:58:55,400 --> 00:58:58,919
Speaker 1: just like a KD a greater player, and Tibbs may

1132
00:58:58,960 --> 00:59:01,640
Speaker 1: not be the answer. Or is that me three thousand

1133
00:59:01,680 --> 00:59:03,800
Speaker 1: miles away guessing, Well.

1134
00:59:03,680 --> 00:59:05,760
Speaker 4: I think it's possible that's the case.

1135
00:59:05,800 --> 00:59:08,760
Speaker 8: I do think Tibbs is good enough to win a

1136
00:59:08,800 --> 00:59:11,680
Speaker 8: championship as a head coach. They lose in the second

1137
00:59:11,760 --> 00:59:14,880
Speaker 8: round again this year, I don't think he'll get replaced

1138
00:59:14,920 --> 00:59:16,800
Speaker 8: because I think he'll lose to a better team. I

1139
00:59:16,800 --> 00:59:20,080
Speaker 8: think the Celtics are better, and surprisingly enough, I did

1140
00:59:20,120 --> 00:59:21,919
Speaker 8: not think the Cavs would be better, but they are.

1141
00:59:22,640 --> 00:59:25,560
Speaker 8: They just are so if they lose in the second round,

1142
00:59:25,600 --> 00:59:29,040
Speaker 8: to say, the Celtics do you fire the guy with

1143
00:59:29,080 --> 00:59:31,240
Speaker 8: that you're losing to a better team. The Celtics have

1144
00:59:31,320 --> 00:59:36,320
Speaker 8: better players. The Knicks have improved their roster certainly. And

1145
00:59:36,600 --> 00:59:38,640
Speaker 8: I didn't think Jalen Brunson. I wasn't sure if he'd

1146
00:59:38,640 --> 00:59:40,600
Speaker 8: be this or could be the second best player in

1147
00:59:40,600 --> 00:59:43,120
Speaker 8: a championship team when they acquired him. Now I do

1148
00:59:43,160 --> 00:59:45,520
Speaker 8: think he could be one of the top two, if

1149
00:59:45,520 --> 00:59:48,120
Speaker 8: not the best player on a championship team. He's an

1150
00:59:48,120 --> 00:59:50,320
Speaker 8: incredible player, and I think a lot of people in

1151
00:59:50,320 --> 00:59:53,440
Speaker 8: New York were surprised by that. I think where the

1152
00:59:53,520 --> 00:59:56,200
Speaker 8: Knicks are right now, it's kind of funny because Jets

1153
00:59:56,200 --> 00:59:58,720
Speaker 8: fans have been complaining and complaining about Woody Johnson, the

1154
00:59:58,720 --> 01:00:01,880
Speaker 8: owner for a long time. Forty Johnson hires and we'll

1155
01:00:01,880 --> 01:00:04,040
Speaker 8: find out if he did the right general manager and

1156
01:00:04,280 --> 01:00:06,960
Speaker 8: Mouji and the right head coach and Aaron Glenn.

1157
01:00:07,280 --> 01:00:09,480
Speaker 4: He's going to go away and Jets fans will never

1158
01:00:09,600 --> 01:00:10,360
Speaker 4: talk about him.

1159
01:00:11,080 --> 01:00:13,360
Speaker 8: Knicks fans are not talking about Jim Dahl, and they

1160
01:00:13,400 --> 01:00:15,920
Speaker 8: have it now for a number of years because he

1161
01:00:16,000 --> 01:00:17,240
Speaker 8: hired the right general manager.

1162
01:00:17,280 --> 01:00:19,480
Speaker 4: And I was a gamble. Leon Rose had never done

1163
01:00:19,480 --> 01:00:19,919
Speaker 4: this job.

1164
01:00:20,000 --> 01:00:21,480
Speaker 8: He was a very good agent, he had never been

1165
01:00:21,520 --> 01:00:24,800
Speaker 8: a general manager, and early on I wasn't so sure,

1166
01:00:24,880 --> 01:00:26,720
Speaker 8: but turns out he knows what he's doing.

1167
01:00:27,280 --> 01:00:29,800
Speaker 4: And Tim's of course everybody knew he knew what he

1168
01:00:29,880 --> 01:00:30,240
Speaker 4: was doing.

1169
01:00:31,000 --> 01:00:33,240
Speaker 8: He's proven that he could be a very valuable piece

1170
01:00:33,280 --> 01:00:35,440
Speaker 8: of the coaching staff that won a championship in Boston

1171
01:00:35,520 --> 01:00:36,760
Speaker 8: under Doc Rivers.

1172
01:00:37,120 --> 01:00:38,520
Speaker 4: And so is he.

1173
01:00:39,480 --> 01:00:42,479
Speaker 8: It's almost like Buck Showalter did all the dirty work

1174
01:00:42,520 --> 01:00:45,040
Speaker 8: in on the Yankees in the mid nineties and then

1175
01:00:45,080 --> 01:00:47,360
Speaker 8: he got replaced by Joe Tory, and Joe Torre then

1176
01:00:47,400 --> 01:00:50,440
Speaker 8: won four World Series. So I'm not saying that the

1177
01:00:50,480 --> 01:00:53,120
Speaker 8: next Knicks coach is going to win four titles in the.

1178
01:00:53,080 --> 01:00:55,840
Speaker 4: Next five years after that happens.

1179
01:00:55,480 --> 01:00:59,760
Speaker 8: But I think that he's going to get one more

1180
01:00:59,840 --> 01:01:03,280
Speaker 8: year year after another second round exit. Maybe the Knicks

1181
01:01:03,320 --> 01:01:05,480
Speaker 8: will surprise us and win that second round matchup with

1182
01:01:05,600 --> 01:01:08,480
Speaker 8: say the Celtics. I don't think that will happen, but

1183
01:01:08,560 --> 01:01:10,120
Speaker 8: I do think you're right in terms of the roster.

1184
01:01:10,760 --> 01:01:13,640
Speaker 8: It looks like they're still believe it or not after

1185
01:01:13,640 --> 01:01:16,080
Speaker 8: all the moves they've made and what five number one

1186
01:01:16,120 --> 01:01:18,240
Speaker 8: picks for Bridges and then they made the Cat deal

1187
01:01:18,360 --> 01:01:21,520
Speaker 8: and they Brunson deal, was an incredible one. It still

1188
01:01:21,560 --> 01:01:24,040
Speaker 8: looks like they need to make one more move, and

1189
01:01:24,120 --> 01:01:28,040
Speaker 8: maybe Kat is a part of that package. But yeah,

1190
01:01:28,400 --> 01:01:30,800
Speaker 8: right now, it's just they're in a tough way because

1191
01:01:30,840 --> 01:01:32,720
Speaker 8: of the Celtics being in their way, and now the

1192
01:01:32,800 --> 01:01:36,560
Speaker 8: Cavs had hurdled them, and they sure look like they're

1193
01:01:36,560 --> 01:01:36,959
Speaker 8: for real.

1194
01:01:38,600 --> 01:01:38,800
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1195
01:01:38,880 --> 01:01:41,640
Speaker 1: I think the Hertenstein move, which I think they were

1196
01:01:41,680 --> 01:01:44,720
Speaker 1: kind of trapped, there's not much they could do. I

1197
01:01:44,720 --> 01:01:47,400
Speaker 1: thought he added some real toughness and rebounding that's very

1198
01:01:47,400 --> 01:01:50,440
Speaker 1: hard to replace. Kat is a more gifted offensive player,

1199
01:01:50,440 --> 01:01:51,920
Speaker 1: but he's not the toughest guy in the league, and

1200
01:01:51,920 --> 01:01:54,480
Speaker 1: he's a poor defender. Hartenstein had this sort of New

1201
01:01:54,560 --> 01:01:58,120
Speaker 1: York toughness, just a fighter on the glass, and it

1202
01:01:58,200 --> 01:02:00,840
Speaker 1: felt like he was just part He almost felt like,

1203
01:02:00,920 --> 01:02:03,040
Speaker 1: you know, he had that Villanova feel. He was just

1204
01:02:03,080 --> 01:02:05,880
Speaker 1: an overachiever and a fighter, and I think sometimes in

1205
01:02:05,920 --> 01:02:08,280
Speaker 1: the NBA, it's not what you want to do, it's

1206
01:02:08,320 --> 01:02:09,600
Speaker 1: what you have to do. And they let him go

1207
01:02:09,600 --> 01:02:11,920
Speaker 1: to ok See, and you know, it doesn't quite feel

1208
01:02:11,920 --> 01:02:21,280
Speaker 1: like the same team. John Middlecoff from her NFL Scout,

1209
01:02:21,280 --> 01:02:24,480
Speaker 1: all right, let's let's uh, let's do a little NFL.

1210
01:02:24,520 --> 01:02:26,320
Speaker 1: The draft is coming up in a couple of weeks,

1211
01:02:27,200 --> 01:02:29,520
Speaker 1: so I was I was sitting with a Packer fan

1212
01:02:29,520 --> 01:02:32,840
Speaker 1: the other night having dinner. My wife and I were

1213
01:02:33,080 --> 01:02:35,959
Speaker 1: with some acquaintances in Chicago and they were talking about

1214
01:02:35,960 --> 01:02:39,600
Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers and two people at the table said, well,

1215
01:02:39,600 --> 01:02:44,160
Speaker 1: why hasn't he signed? And I said, well, I think Aaron,

1216
01:02:44,240 --> 01:02:48,960
Speaker 1: deep down nos Pittsburgh's fools, gold Dk Metcalf, George Pickens,

1217
01:02:49,400 --> 01:02:52,000
Speaker 1: a lot of drama. They can't get their O line right,

1218
01:02:52,080 --> 01:02:55,800
Speaker 1: they lost Nause Harris and their left tackle. I don't

1219
01:02:55,800 --> 01:02:58,560
Speaker 1: know if the offensive coordinator is Aaron's type of guy.

1220
01:02:59,280 --> 01:03:01,360
Speaker 1: So I think Aaron and if he thought Pittsburgh was

1221
01:03:01,400 --> 01:03:05,120
Speaker 1: the deal, he would sign with Pittsburgh. And my take

1222
01:03:05,160 --> 01:03:08,080
Speaker 1: on Aaron is he really wants to sign with Minnesota,

1223
01:03:08,280 --> 01:03:11,200
Speaker 1: and Minnesota right now has kind of bounced around and

1224
01:03:11,640 --> 01:03:16,520
Speaker 1: been a little ambiguous with JJ McCarthy injury wise. But

1225
01:03:17,120 --> 01:03:19,479
Speaker 1: I'll just ask you, is I think if Aaron wanted

1226
01:03:19,520 --> 01:03:21,919
Speaker 1: to sign, he would, and I think he knows. Pittsburgh's

1227
01:03:22,080 --> 01:03:27,200
Speaker 1: fraught with issues, you know, defensive culture, defensive spending, two

1228
01:03:27,400 --> 01:03:31,120
Speaker 1: high maintenance receivers, left tackle gone, They've had a battle

1229
01:03:31,200 --> 01:03:33,800
Speaker 1: line for seven years, why do you think.

1230
01:03:33,920 --> 01:03:36,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, remember you had Danny parkins on probably a month ago,

1231
01:03:36,600 --> 01:03:38,320
Speaker 3: and he thought that Aaron was going to sign it

1232
01:03:38,480 --> 01:03:40,880
Speaker 3: at Pat McAfee's deal in Pittsburgh, And at first I

1233
01:03:40,880 --> 01:03:42,600
Speaker 3: thought he was crazy, and then the closer we got

1234
01:03:42,640 --> 01:03:45,080
Speaker 3: him like, yeah, maybe it's gonna happen. So I kind

1235
01:03:45,080 --> 01:03:47,280
Speaker 3: of expected him just to announce at that thing, and

1236
01:03:47,320 --> 01:03:50,600
Speaker 3: then it doesn't happen, and you're like, well, maybe this

1237
01:03:50,840 --> 01:03:55,240
Speaker 3: is not inevitable. And like you said, Kevin O'Connell, I

1238
01:03:55,240 --> 01:03:58,480
Speaker 3: think he said at the owners meetings that two things

1239
01:03:58,480 --> 01:04:01,200
Speaker 3: can be true. We believe in JJ McCarthy, and we'd

1240
01:04:01,200 --> 01:04:03,040
Speaker 3: also not be doing our job if we weren't showing

1241
01:04:03,120 --> 01:04:06,720
Speaker 3: interest in Aaron Rodgers. They get a tryout period at

1242
01:04:06,800 --> 01:04:09,800
Speaker 3: least physically how it's going to look with JJ McCarthy

1243
01:04:09,800 --> 01:04:11,880
Speaker 3: and Ota. So if you're Rogers, it's like, well, what

1244
01:04:12,000 --> 01:04:15,720
Speaker 3: is Pittsburgh gonna do? Even if they Shaudre Sanders falls

1245
01:04:15,720 --> 01:04:18,280
Speaker 3: of them, they still wouldn't be interested in bringing me in.

1246
01:04:18,320 --> 01:04:20,840
Speaker 3: That they want to win next year. Schador doesn't guarantee

1247
01:04:20,880 --> 01:04:23,520
Speaker 3: that right, So he actually has a weird amount of

1248
01:04:23,600 --> 01:04:25,840
Speaker 3: leverage over Mike Tomlin and Pittsburgh. I mean, that can't

1249
01:04:25,840 --> 01:04:28,400
Speaker 3: feel great if you're Steelers like Aaron Rodgers, but he

1250
01:04:28,480 --> 01:04:30,920
Speaker 3: has no leverage in Minnesota, which is clearly his best

1251
01:04:30,960 --> 01:04:35,720
Speaker 3: spot unless OTA's you know, the coach goes.

1252
01:04:35,840 --> 01:04:36,320
Speaker 1: I don't know.

1253
01:04:36,720 --> 01:04:39,240
Speaker 3: They still looks skinny, maybe the offense doesn't look as smooth.

1254
01:04:39,240 --> 01:04:42,040
Speaker 3: Maybe physically he just doesn't look right. So I think

1255
01:04:42,080 --> 01:04:46,040
Speaker 3: he can gauge if there are reports after you know,

1256
01:04:46,200 --> 01:04:49,640
Speaker 3: a couple of those OTA practices, which again I'm not

1257
01:04:49,720 --> 01:04:51,280
Speaker 3: acting like those are the end all be all, but

1258
01:04:51,320 --> 01:04:54,080
Speaker 3: from a physical standpoint, we saw him walk the sideline

1259
01:04:54,080 --> 01:04:56,360
Speaker 3: against the Lions. He looked like he weighed one hundred

1260
01:04:56,360 --> 01:04:59,880
Speaker 3: and seventy five pounds and he had needed multiple knee search.

1261
01:05:00,440 --> 01:05:02,880
Speaker 3: I understand, and listen, I like the player as well,

1262
01:05:03,360 --> 01:05:06,440
Speaker 3: but you can't go off just one good experience in

1263
01:05:06,480 --> 01:05:09,360
Speaker 3: a preseason game for a team that if you just

1264
01:05:09,440 --> 01:05:13,240
Speaker 3: removed the quarterback for every team in the NFL, Minnesota

1265
01:05:13,400 --> 01:05:16,680
Speaker 3: undoubtedly would be a top five pick of a roster team.

1266
01:05:17,000 --> 01:05:19,280
Speaker 3: You would take them probably above like the Chiefs or

1267
01:05:19,320 --> 01:05:21,240
Speaker 3: the Bills, but quarterback matters.

1268
01:05:21,280 --> 01:05:23,760
Speaker 1: Well, they just revamped their I mean the Bears and

1269
01:05:23,800 --> 01:05:27,600
Speaker 1: the Vikings both real upgrades. On our own line, so

1270
01:05:27,920 --> 01:05:30,760
Speaker 1: we know we like Minnesota's coach and running back and

1271
01:05:30,800 --> 01:05:34,200
Speaker 1: wide receivers and tight end. They went and shored up

1272
01:05:34,240 --> 01:05:36,400
Speaker 1: their offensive line, so I think it's one of the

1273
01:05:36,440 --> 01:05:37,840
Speaker 1: more attractive places in the league.

1274
01:05:37,960 --> 01:05:41,560
Speaker 3: So to me, if if you have any reservations, I

1275
01:05:41,600 --> 01:05:45,360
Speaker 3: also think if I'm Kevin O'Connell, I go Aerin. We

1276
01:05:45,440 --> 01:05:48,440
Speaker 3: want you, and I'd even do it before OTAs, but

1277
01:05:48,480 --> 01:05:51,680
Speaker 3: we're offering you a veteran minimum, no guaranteed, Like you've

1278
01:05:51,680 --> 01:05:53,600
Speaker 3: already made five hundred and four hundred million dollars on

1279
01:05:53,680 --> 01:05:55,440
Speaker 3: and off the field. Who knows how much you've made,

1280
01:05:55,520 --> 01:05:57,680
Speaker 3: but we're not guaranteeing you anything. So if things ever

1281
01:05:57,720 --> 01:06:00,400
Speaker 3: get weird or it doesn't fit, we can both move on,

1282
01:06:00,600 --> 01:06:03,080
Speaker 3: you know, cause if you really want this, because you're

1283
01:06:03,080 --> 01:06:05,720
Speaker 3: no dummy, you know this is by far your best opportunity.

1284
01:06:05,960 --> 01:06:08,200
Speaker 3: But like I don't know what Pittsburgh has even offered

1285
01:06:08,240 --> 01:06:10,880
Speaker 3: him one year, twenty million dollars, something like the Minnesota

1286
01:06:10,880 --> 01:06:13,400
Speaker 3: wouldn't even entertain something like that one year a couple

1287
01:06:13,360 --> 01:06:16,960
Speaker 3: of million dollars. And if things don't work after training camp,

1288
01:06:17,080 --> 01:06:18,880
Speaker 3: we can both go our separate ways. But we're not

1289
01:06:18,920 --> 01:06:22,680
Speaker 3: being stuck. But I wouldn't fault them for being interested,

1290
01:06:22,760 --> 01:06:26,480
Speaker 3: just because we have seen enough now with you know,

1291
01:06:26,640 --> 01:06:30,040
Speaker 3: most of these rookie quarterbacks go to really shitty teams, right,

1292
01:06:30,080 --> 01:06:31,880
Speaker 3: so it's like even if you have a bad year whatever.

1293
01:06:31,920 --> 01:06:34,000
Speaker 3: Trevor Lawrence's first year with ierban Meyer, he got like

1294
01:06:34,040 --> 01:06:37,160
Speaker 3: a pass. It's happened twice now, a guy's been drafted

1295
01:06:37,200 --> 01:06:39,000
Speaker 3: really high and gone to a team with like legit

1296
01:06:39,080 --> 01:06:42,520
Speaker 3: playoff expectations. Trey Lance was higher than Caleb, but Caleb

1297
01:06:42,560 --> 01:06:44,520
Speaker 3: had pretty big expectation, and then it was just it's

1298
01:06:44,560 --> 01:06:46,280
Speaker 3: a lot of pressure, a lot of stuff going on.

1299
01:06:46,920 --> 01:06:49,520
Speaker 3: That is JJ McCarthy. I know he's a second year player,

1300
01:06:49,520 --> 01:06:51,640
Speaker 3: but he's technically like you know, like Flake Griffin, right,

1301
01:06:51,680 --> 01:06:53,440
Speaker 3: he didn't play his rookie year because he tore his

1302
01:06:53,440 --> 01:06:56,160
Speaker 3: eight knee. You're a rookie, you know, on the field

1303
01:06:56,240 --> 01:06:59,040
Speaker 3: like that. You can't have much more pressure as a

1304
01:06:59,080 --> 01:07:01,760
Speaker 3: first time starting COQ quarterback. That's twenty two years old,

1305
01:07:02,200 --> 01:07:05,880
Speaker 3: it's never played. Kevin O'Connell is not Kyle shannan. You

1306
01:07:05,880 --> 01:07:08,240
Speaker 3: watch him in those the game against Detroit and the playoff.

1307
01:07:08,360 --> 01:07:10,800
Speaker 3: He's calling pass place he wants to. He's a McVeigh.

1308
01:07:10,840 --> 01:07:13,120
Speaker 3: He wants to and Andy he wants to pass. JJ

1309
01:07:13,200 --> 01:07:15,160
Speaker 3: played in a running office. Remember when they beat Penn

1310
01:07:15,240 --> 01:07:17,800
Speaker 3: State and they didn't hand they didn't pass the ball

1311
01:07:17,880 --> 01:07:20,760
Speaker 3: in the second half like the Michigan handoff handoff handoff

1312
01:07:20,760 --> 01:07:23,320
Speaker 3: play d that's what he's used to doing.

1313
01:07:23,840 --> 01:07:28,280
Speaker 1: No, Yeah, I think there's real concerns there, and I

1314
01:07:28,560 --> 01:07:31,120
Speaker 1: think Aaron's smart to just I would wait till the

1315
01:07:31,200 --> 01:07:33,240
Speaker 1: drafts over. I want to see where the ships fall.

1316
01:07:33,360 --> 01:07:35,959
Speaker 1: I don't want to get burned like Kirk Cousins. And

1317
01:07:36,080 --> 01:07:37,640
Speaker 1: I'm going to sit around if I'm Aaron, and if

1318
01:07:37,640 --> 01:07:39,240
Speaker 1: I don't get the right offer, I got a two

1319
01:07:39,280 --> 01:07:40,200
Speaker 1: hundred million bucks.

1320
01:07:40,040 --> 01:07:42,000
Speaker 3: I think definitely still on the table.

1321
01:07:42,120 --> 01:07:45,320
Speaker 1: You know, there's so do wid I want to talk

1322
01:07:45,360 --> 01:07:49,400
Speaker 1: about this because this got a lot of pushback this weekend.

1323
01:07:50,240 --> 01:07:55,560
Speaker 1: So Tennessee is a very young quarterback and he was

1324
01:07:55,640 --> 01:07:57,760
Speaker 1: making about two million dollars. They were paying him two

1325
01:07:57,760 --> 01:07:59,960
Speaker 1: million dollars when he was red shirting as a freshman

1326
01:08:00,320 --> 01:08:03,800
Speaker 1: to not play. And his name is and I'll just

1327
01:08:03,840 --> 01:08:06,960
Speaker 1: call him Nico. He's got a long last name and

1328
01:08:07,000 --> 01:08:08,680
Speaker 1: I don't want to butcher it. So I watched him

1329
01:08:08,680 --> 01:08:11,000
Speaker 1: play three or four. Well, I probably watched him play

1330
01:08:11,040 --> 01:08:14,000
Speaker 1: four or five times last year against the better teams.

1331
01:08:14,160 --> 01:08:19,760
Speaker 1: He was a young quarterback, not overwhelmed, but not a

1332
01:08:20,520 --> 01:08:23,760
Speaker 1: missus open receivers. He's not should do or accurate. But

1333
01:08:23,840 --> 01:08:26,599
Speaker 1: he's also not draft eligible right now. He's going to grow.

1334
01:08:26,760 --> 01:08:29,920
Speaker 1: But he's a really nice talent. He's slender, he moves well,

1335
01:08:29,960 --> 01:08:32,760
Speaker 1: he's got a decent arm. And my take is, so

1336
01:08:32,800 --> 01:08:35,120
Speaker 1: he comes out this weekend and basically doesn't show up

1337
01:08:35,160 --> 01:08:39,560
Speaker 1: to practice and says I want four million, and Tennessee,

1338
01:08:39,600 --> 01:08:41,479
Speaker 1: to their credit, is like, listen, we're not going to

1339
01:08:41,520 --> 01:08:42,040
Speaker 1: play that game.

1340
01:08:42,080 --> 01:08:42,880
Speaker 2: We're going to let him go.

1341
01:08:43,600 --> 01:08:45,519
Speaker 1: And I thought it would have been very difficult to

1342
01:08:45,760 --> 01:08:48,719
Speaker 1: hold out, not show up to practice, and come back.

1343
01:08:48,840 --> 01:08:52,760
Speaker 1: So I think the volunteers made the right decision as

1344
01:08:52,800 --> 01:08:54,880
Speaker 1: a program to say, listen, this isn't going to work,

1345
01:08:55,120 --> 01:08:57,599
Speaker 1: this is a bad vibe, this is bad locker room smell.

1346
01:08:57,640 --> 01:08:58,840
Speaker 2: Here, we're moving on.

1347
01:08:58,960 --> 01:09:02,920
Speaker 1: I totally agree with that, but I wasn't necessarily bothered

1348
01:09:02,920 --> 01:09:06,000
Speaker 1: by the move because it is April and coaches now

1349
01:09:06,000 --> 01:09:09,280
Speaker 1: are fetching twelve to thirteen million dollars in college football.

1350
01:09:09,760 --> 01:09:13,479
Speaker 1: So if a top quarterback wants four I'm like, I'm

1351
01:09:13,520 --> 01:09:16,040
Speaker 1: not going to hate the player. You can hate the system,

1352
01:09:16,439 --> 01:09:20,000
Speaker 1: you can hate nil, but I think this is I

1353
01:09:20,040 --> 01:09:22,080
Speaker 1: think this is what we're going to see. This this

1354
01:09:22,120 --> 01:09:25,840
Speaker 1: is the way the game works now. I don't think

1355
01:09:25,840 --> 01:09:28,120
Speaker 1: it'll hurt him in the NFL. I think eventually, if

1356
01:09:28,160 --> 01:09:31,400
Speaker 1: he has a great year, people draft him. Everybody needs quarterbacks.

1357
01:09:31,479 --> 01:09:33,840
Speaker 1: Nobody care. I mean, Cayleb Williams had some emotional stuff

1358
01:09:33,880 --> 01:09:36,599
Speaker 1: people didn't like, Johnny Manziel had all sorts of it.

1359
01:09:36,920 --> 01:09:39,320
Speaker 1: There'll be a team that'll draft him that needs a quarterback.

1360
01:09:40,040 --> 01:09:43,200
Speaker 1: What do you make What do you make of the

1361
01:09:43,280 --> 01:09:46,599
Speaker 1: kid doing it? What do you make A Tennessee's react.

1362
01:09:46,400 --> 01:09:48,240
Speaker 3: Which get the kid's name. But there's a pass rusher

1363
01:09:48,280 --> 01:09:50,800
Speaker 3: on South Carolina the game Cocks who's like looks like

1364
01:09:50,800 --> 01:09:54,080
Speaker 3: a clowney or just like a you know, Miles Garrett.

1365
01:09:54,120 --> 01:09:56,439
Speaker 3: In the middle of the season. They're like, they had

1366
01:09:56,479 --> 01:09:58,200
Speaker 3: to up what they were going to pay him, and

1367
01:09:58,720 --> 01:10:00,640
Speaker 3: you get true freshman. He looks like he's got a

1368
01:10:00,720 --> 01:10:02,400
Speaker 3: chance to be like a number one overall pick. I

1369
01:10:02,439 --> 01:10:06,599
Speaker 3: have no problem when you're an elite player. Renegotiating happens

1370
01:10:06,600 --> 01:10:08,000
Speaker 3: in pro sports all the time.

1371
01:10:08,040 --> 01:10:08,519
Speaker 2: What happened.

1372
01:10:08,560 --> 01:10:13,160
Speaker 3: Who holds out in the NFL Micah Parsons, Nick Bosa, right,

1373
01:10:13,479 --> 01:10:17,840
Speaker 3: Justin Jefferson, Jordan Jamar Chase. This guy did not have

1374
01:10:17,880 --> 01:10:20,439
Speaker 3: a good year. I'm with you. I watched a lot

1375
01:10:20,439 --> 01:10:22,080
Speaker 3: of them last year because Tennessee was good and they

1376
01:10:22,080 --> 01:10:24,200
Speaker 3: were in the mix. Have you heard of him in

1377
01:10:24,240 --> 01:10:26,040
Speaker 3: high school? Like he was one of the highly touted

1378
01:10:26,080 --> 01:10:27,439
Speaker 3: guys in La Oh.

1379
01:10:27,360 --> 01:10:28,439
Speaker 2: No, no oh.

1380
01:10:28,560 --> 01:10:30,920
Speaker 1: I think he was the number one quarterback I believe

1381
01:10:30,960 --> 01:10:32,920
Speaker 1: out of Los Angeles. So I watch all those guys

1382
01:10:33,000 --> 01:10:37,840
Speaker 1: tape on YouTube. Again, moves well, lively arm I thought

1383
01:10:37,840 --> 01:10:41,960
Speaker 1: as a college quarterback, his accuracy was against And again

1384
01:10:41,960 --> 01:10:44,559
Speaker 1: I only watched the Tennessee games against the better teams.

1385
01:10:45,080 --> 01:10:48,439
Speaker 1: Very hit and miss down the field, very hit and miss.

1386
01:10:48,720 --> 01:10:50,760
Speaker 1: But again my takeaway is, okay, it's like a red

1387
01:10:50,800 --> 01:10:51,439
Speaker 1: shirt freshman.

1388
01:10:51,479 --> 01:10:54,519
Speaker 3: Well, here's my issue with the whole thing is all

1389
01:10:54,560 --> 01:10:56,960
Speaker 3: reports have it it's his dad. You know they say

1390
01:10:56,960 --> 01:10:59,160
Speaker 3: pigs get fed, hawks gets slaughtered. Like you said, he

1391
01:10:59,200 --> 01:11:03,040
Speaker 3: got four years, eight million dollars without ever playing a snap,

1392
01:11:03,040 --> 01:11:05,880
Speaker 3: where a lot of coaches, Kirby Smart does not give

1393
01:11:05,920 --> 01:11:08,360
Speaker 3: those type contracts to high school kids, right, A lot

1394
01:11:08,400 --> 01:11:11,040
Speaker 3: of the top coach because it's not good business. Tennessee

1395
01:11:11,040 --> 01:11:12,840
Speaker 3: did because I think he was like second or third

1396
01:11:12,960 --> 01:11:15,400
Speaker 3: overall recruit in the class Arch was one, So I

1397
01:11:15,439 --> 01:11:18,240
Speaker 3: mean the hot, the hype, the hype was big, and

1398
01:11:18,240 --> 01:11:20,719
Speaker 3: that he got paid for. I think he threw twenty

1399
01:11:20,760 --> 01:11:23,400
Speaker 3: touchdowns last year and only nine of them came in

1400
01:11:23,439 --> 01:11:25,200
Speaker 3: the SEC. He was not good in the SEC and

1401
01:11:25,240 --> 01:11:28,559
Speaker 3: against good teams. So to try to renegotiate off a

1402
01:11:28,720 --> 01:11:32,679
Speaker 3: bad year to me's bad business. And Dan Lanning turned

1403
01:11:32,720 --> 01:11:35,240
Speaker 3: him in essentially like hey, you're getting played, yes, And

1404
01:11:35,520 --> 01:11:38,320
Speaker 3: I think some of these coaches because again, he's not

1405
01:11:38,479 --> 01:11:41,519
Speaker 3: that good. If he was viewed as a camp if

1406
01:11:41,520 --> 01:11:43,880
Speaker 3: he was draft eligible right now, he's not getting drafted

1407
01:11:43,920 --> 01:11:47,000
Speaker 3: in the top one hundred picks. It's all projection and

1408
01:11:47,080 --> 01:11:51,320
Speaker 3: potential but not off actual play. And his dad again too,

1409
01:11:51,360 --> 01:11:53,200
Speaker 3: and I think it was like two point two he

1410
01:11:53,240 --> 01:11:55,680
Speaker 3: was scheduled to make this upcoming year. What if this

1411
01:11:55,720 --> 01:11:57,559
Speaker 3: is one of those I forget the NBA player, but

1412
01:11:57,600 --> 01:11:59,479
Speaker 3: he like opted out and he thought he could get

1413
01:11:59,479 --> 01:12:01,120
Speaker 3: like eighty millillion dollars and ended up getting like a

1414
01:12:01,120 --> 01:12:03,519
Speaker 3: one year eight million dollars. What if he can't even

1415
01:12:03,520 --> 01:12:05,880
Speaker 3: get a million dollars in the transfer portal because some

1416
01:12:05,920 --> 01:12:07,640
Speaker 3: of these coaches are going to go, well, he's a

1417
01:12:07,680 --> 01:12:10,559
Speaker 3: little overhyped one, and we're going to try to make

1418
01:12:10,600 --> 01:12:14,559
Speaker 3: a statement for our business. That's why Dan Lanny called

1419
01:12:14,560 --> 01:12:16,960
Speaker 3: him right. This is because they're like, this is insane.

1420
01:12:17,240 --> 01:12:19,080
Speaker 3: It'd be one thing if he was making one hundred

1421
01:12:19,120 --> 01:12:20,920
Speaker 3: thousand dollars in like the hey, the going rates of

1422
01:12:20,960 --> 01:12:23,400
Speaker 3: million dollars, a couple of million dollars would totally get it.

1423
01:12:23,600 --> 01:12:26,400
Speaker 3: His dad, by all accounts, leading the charge. If someone

1424
01:12:26,400 --> 01:12:29,040
Speaker 3: needs to give that guy some business advice, get Drew Rosenhouse,

1425
01:12:29,080 --> 01:12:31,559
Speaker 3: because I think it's bad business. No issue if you're

1426
01:12:31,560 --> 01:12:34,519
Speaker 3: an elite player, if it's Drake May a couple of

1427
01:12:34,560 --> 01:12:37,160
Speaker 3: years ago or ashing genty guys that could transfer and

1428
01:12:37,479 --> 01:12:41,439
Speaker 3: totally get it. This guy was completely underwhelming, Colin, This

1429
01:12:41,520 --> 01:12:44,599
Speaker 3: guy was It's why I think Tennessee and most people universe,

1430
01:12:44,640 --> 01:12:47,479
Speaker 3: they are like, this is nuts. This is this is

1431
01:12:47,520 --> 01:12:50,120
Speaker 3: just dumb business. Two and a half million dollars to

1432
01:12:50,240 --> 01:12:53,120
Speaker 3: play average football in the SEC. They were a defensive

1433
01:12:53,160 --> 01:12:55,360
Speaker 3: team last year, which is ironic because Josh Hipel is

1434
01:12:55,400 --> 01:12:56,200
Speaker 3: their coach, right.

1435
01:12:56,120 --> 01:13:00,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, And if Josh Hipel's the coach, which you

1436
01:13:00,280 --> 01:13:02,559
Speaker 1: would think it's one of those things where like when

1437
01:13:02,600 --> 01:13:07,040
Speaker 1: Shanahan couldn't make Trey Lance work and the Cowboys gave

1438
01:13:07,120 --> 01:13:10,920
Speaker 1: up before it's like that's bad GMing. Josh Heipel, you

1439
01:13:10,960 --> 01:13:13,519
Speaker 1: would think would be able to get the most out

1440
01:13:13,520 --> 01:13:14,080
Speaker 1: of this kid.

1441
01:13:14,800 --> 01:13:15,439
Speaker 2: I think.

1442
01:13:18,200 --> 01:13:21,439
Speaker 1: One of the things the NBA. I never understood this

1443
01:13:21,439 --> 01:13:24,640
Speaker 1: about the G League. So let's not pretend this is

1444
01:13:24,680 --> 01:13:28,719
Speaker 1: the fifties, sixties or seventies where basketball players are all

1445
01:13:28,760 --> 01:13:31,519
Speaker 1: starving coming into college basketball.

1446
01:13:31,560 --> 01:13:31,840
Speaker 2: They're not.

1447
01:13:31,920 --> 01:13:35,599
Speaker 1: It's a suburb sport aau kids. The good players are

1448
01:13:35,640 --> 01:13:38,559
Speaker 1: all getting taken care of. Even before nil kids were

1449
01:13:38,560 --> 01:13:40,360
Speaker 1: getting swag chef money.

1450
01:13:40,400 --> 01:13:41,400
Speaker 2: They're getting treated great.

1451
01:13:41,400 --> 01:13:46,600
Speaker 1: I have like, yeah, So I never understood kids that

1452
01:13:46,800 --> 01:13:51,360
Speaker 1: went to the G League instead of going and playing

1453
01:13:51,400 --> 01:13:55,800
Speaker 1: for a top six program where you're on television twenty

1454
01:13:55,840 --> 01:13:58,360
Speaker 1: five times. I know Zion because he went to Duke.

1455
01:13:59,080 --> 01:14:02,880
Speaker 1: Would you rather take four hundred thousand dollars for the

1456
01:14:02,960 --> 01:14:06,400
Speaker 1: G League or three hundred thousand dollars or take thirty

1457
01:14:06,560 --> 01:14:10,599
Speaker 1: five million dollars of free marketing and advertising for Duke?

1458
01:14:11,200 --> 01:14:13,160
Speaker 1: And people say, well, they didn't grow up with a

1459
01:14:13,160 --> 01:14:15,960
Speaker 1: lot of money. Again, it's a year You're not asking

1460
01:14:16,080 --> 01:14:19,719
Speaker 1: him to take a seven eight year hiatus away from money.

1461
01:14:20,160 --> 01:14:23,360
Speaker 1: This is not like, this is not I mean again,

1462
01:14:24,360 --> 01:14:28,599
Speaker 1: great au basketball players are getting taken care of. So

1463
01:14:28,680 --> 01:14:31,639
Speaker 1: I kind of feel the same way about the dad here.

1464
01:14:32,040 --> 01:14:35,880
Speaker 1: I don't blame the kid, but it's like, if you

1465
01:14:36,000 --> 01:14:38,799
Speaker 1: have one good year, if you come back to Tennessee

1466
01:14:38,880 --> 01:14:44,240
Speaker 1: and have thirty touchdowns, eight picks, and you move well,

1467
01:14:44,520 --> 01:14:47,120
Speaker 1: you will be a first or an early second round

1468
01:14:47,120 --> 01:14:50,000
Speaker 1: pick next year. Because there's Arch Manning will go number one.

1469
01:14:50,160 --> 01:14:53,120
Speaker 1: After that, there's about five guys and they're all in

1470
01:14:53,200 --> 01:14:57,800
Speaker 1: the same class. It depends how the season goes. I

1471
01:14:57,920 --> 01:15:01,639
Speaker 1: just think the dad, it's a certain self, which is understandable.

1472
01:15:01,720 --> 01:15:03,839
Speaker 3: A lot of these dads, a lot of human beings,

1473
01:15:04,520 --> 01:15:07,479
Speaker 3: would not have any clue or knowledge what to do

1474
01:15:07,560 --> 01:15:10,519
Speaker 3: in this situation. If I was one of these people

1475
01:15:10,720 --> 01:15:13,720
Speaker 3: that had the opportunity to make millions of dollars and

1476
01:15:13,760 --> 01:15:16,560
Speaker 3: now in this world where I can get real representation,

1477
01:15:17,479 --> 01:15:20,040
Speaker 3: I would have Tennessee, Hey, could we get in contact

1478
01:15:20,080 --> 01:15:24,639
Speaker 3: with either CAA Rosenhaus. I'd want someone real negotiating my thing.

1479
01:15:24,720 --> 01:15:26,720
Speaker 3: And I would imagine they're like, well, Carson Beck just

1480
01:15:26,720 --> 01:15:29,280
Speaker 3: got four million dollars. Well, two years ago, when Carson

1481
01:15:29,320 --> 01:15:32,439
Speaker 3: Beck had Lad McConkey and Brock Bowers, a lot of

1482
01:15:32,520 --> 01:15:34,240
Speaker 3: us thought like this guy could be a first round pick.

1483
01:15:34,320 --> 01:15:36,880
Speaker 3: He had a really, really good year. Now I think

1484
01:15:36,880 --> 01:15:39,479
Speaker 3: most of us also about Miami's kind of crazy. But

1485
01:15:40,280 --> 01:15:42,320
Speaker 3: some of these numbers to get thrown around, no one

1486
01:15:42,360 --> 01:15:44,640
Speaker 3: truly knows what's real or not. It's pretty clear like

1487
01:15:44,680 --> 01:15:46,800
Speaker 3: it was concrete. This guy signed an eight million dollar

1488
01:15:46,920 --> 01:15:50,000
Speaker 3: four year deal and if he came back in three years,

1489
01:15:50,040 --> 01:15:52,040
Speaker 3: he will have banked over six million dollars in a

1490
01:15:52,160 --> 01:15:55,200
Speaker 3: no state income to state at I don't know where

1491
01:15:55,200 --> 01:15:57,280
Speaker 3: Tennessee like, I don't have a great feel for their

1492
01:15:57,360 --> 01:15:59,439
Speaker 3: roster right now. In April, I would guess it's a

1493
01:15:59,439 --> 01:16:01,639
Speaker 3: top ten during college football and you got a pretty

1494
01:16:01,640 --> 01:16:04,400
Speaker 3: good chance to compete. So we'll have to see where

1495
01:16:04,400 --> 01:16:06,439
Speaker 3: this guy ends up. But it doesn't feel like Oregon,

1496
01:16:06,479 --> 01:16:08,840
Speaker 3: Ohio State are just lined up for the kid. So

1497
01:16:08,960 --> 01:16:11,559
Speaker 3: if he if he ends up losing money, not only

1498
01:16:11,560 --> 01:16:14,320
Speaker 3: would it be a bad business decision a football decision.

1499
01:16:14,920 --> 01:16:17,000
Speaker 3: The Tennessee's got to be on the short list of

1500
01:16:17,000 --> 01:16:19,519
Speaker 3: great places to be a young quarterback playing football In

1501
01:16:19,560 --> 01:16:20,800
Speaker 3: twenty twenty five right.

1502
01:16:22,000 --> 01:16:22,320
Speaker 2: Listen.

1503
01:16:22,360 --> 01:16:24,360
Speaker 1: I've learned over the course of my life is the

1504
01:16:24,400 --> 01:16:28,320
Speaker 1: young media oh as sides with the player because it's

1505
01:16:28,360 --> 01:16:31,240
Speaker 1: a good story and all the narrative. They don't come

1506
01:16:31,280 --> 01:16:34,000
Speaker 1: from anything. We don't know that. Again, if you're the

1507
01:16:34,080 --> 01:16:36,519
Speaker 1: number one or two or three high school football quarterback

1508
01:16:36,520 --> 01:16:40,439
Speaker 1: in the country, you're getting taken care of by a

1509
01:16:40,560 --> 01:16:44,320
Speaker 1: lot of people. So I just think it's one of

1510
01:16:44,320 --> 01:16:47,200
Speaker 1: those situations. I don't blame the kid. And I think

1511
01:16:47,240 --> 01:16:49,160
Speaker 1: when I watched him, I thought, oh, yeah, I can

1512
01:16:49,200 --> 01:16:51,719
Speaker 1: see it. I mean, he's got talent, but he's.

1513
01:16:51,600 --> 01:16:53,120
Speaker 3: Got no fuel. He's got no fuel, and I will

1514
01:16:53,160 --> 01:16:55,799
Speaker 3: say it he doesn't.

1515
01:16:55,840 --> 01:16:58,040
Speaker 1: That's the when you watch like, you can say what

1516
01:16:58,080 --> 01:17:00,679
Speaker 1: you want about sid Or Sanders. He has a feel.

1517
01:17:00,880 --> 01:17:03,360
Speaker 1: He's an accurate throw of the football under duress, like

1518
01:17:03,400 --> 01:17:06,839
Speaker 1: you can tell he's quarterbacked a lot. And also Shore

1519
01:17:06,960 --> 01:17:09,599
Speaker 1: is not a great enough athlete to make extra yards

1520
01:17:09,680 --> 01:17:12,599
Speaker 1: running around. He's had to make hey in the pocket.

1521
01:17:12,960 --> 01:17:15,719
Speaker 1: And by the way, his dad Dion Smart. He's told

1522
01:17:15,760 --> 01:17:18,519
Speaker 1: that kid, kid, you want to get rich, don't be

1523
01:17:18,560 --> 01:17:20,880
Speaker 1: a run around guy, sit in the pocket and throw darts.

1524
01:17:20,920 --> 01:17:23,200
Speaker 1: I mean, Dion knows what the hell's going on. So

1525
01:17:23,560 --> 01:17:26,439
Speaker 1: when you watch Shadoor Sanders, you can clearly tell that

1526
01:17:26,479 --> 01:17:27,439
Speaker 1: he can see the field.

1527
01:17:27,479 --> 01:17:29,600
Speaker 2: He's super accurate. This kid's just talented.

1528
01:17:30,320 --> 01:17:34,599
Speaker 1: But yeah, but I you know, I do think they're

1529
01:17:34,720 --> 01:17:37,280
Speaker 1: the family needs to take a deep breath because I mean,

1530
01:17:37,320 --> 01:17:40,360
Speaker 1: if he's great, he'll get drafted. I don't think he's great.

1531
01:17:40,439 --> 01:17:43,600
Speaker 1: I just think he's talented. You know, we talk a

1532
01:17:43,600 --> 01:17:47,360
Speaker 1: lot Aaron Rodgers, and I know it's tiring, but and

1533
01:17:47,400 --> 01:17:50,240
Speaker 1: I really don't care where he goes. If you're retired, great,

1534
01:17:50,720 --> 01:17:53,120
Speaker 1: if he goes to Pittsburgh find they're a third place team,

1535
01:17:53,240 --> 01:17:58,120
Speaker 1: I don't really care. And he has some personal drama

1536
01:17:58,400 --> 01:18:00,080
Speaker 1: situation in his life, so I can have some of

1537
01:18:00,080 --> 01:18:04,320
Speaker 1: the people that I don't really care that if you

1538
01:18:04,400 --> 01:18:06,320
Speaker 1: were in the league and worked in the league, if

1539
01:18:06,360 --> 01:18:10,040
Speaker 1: he just retired, how would Pittsburgh view him?

1540
01:18:10,360 --> 01:18:11,479
Speaker 2: If they were caught off guard.

1541
01:18:12,600 --> 01:18:14,680
Speaker 3: I just don't think they had many other options. Like

1542
01:18:14,760 --> 01:18:17,439
Speaker 3: I don't think that they are losing a bunch of

1543
01:18:17,479 --> 01:18:20,240
Speaker 3: sleep over the situation, which sounds crazy, but we have

1544
01:18:20,320 --> 01:18:23,439
Speaker 3: a pretty good sample size now knowing that they think

1545
01:18:23,479 --> 01:18:26,200
Speaker 3: they could get around. I don't know somehow, not having

1546
01:18:26,280 --> 01:18:30,080
Speaker 3: attempting to get a Joe Burrow, Lamar Jackson just drafting quarterbacks.

1547
01:18:30,120 --> 01:18:32,439
Speaker 3: You're in, you're out. But at this point in time, Colin,

1548
01:18:32,439 --> 01:18:36,240
Speaker 3: it's May fifteenth. I mean, what are we doing here?

1549
01:18:36,360 --> 01:18:38,519
Speaker 3: I mean I think they have to at least have

1550
01:18:38,560 --> 01:18:40,559
Speaker 3: come to grips with like everything's kind of on the

1551
01:18:40,600 --> 01:18:45,120
Speaker 3: table here that they cannot for a very old school organization.

1552
01:18:45,280 --> 01:18:47,600
Speaker 3: I saw a quote from I don't think he's the

1553
01:18:47,760 --> 01:18:50,639
Speaker 3: Papa Rooney. He's like the sixty year old Rooney that said,

1554
01:18:50,880 --> 01:18:52,880
Speaker 3: you know, we don't love playing at night late in

1555
01:18:52,880 --> 01:18:54,960
Speaker 3: the season. It's like, well, that usually means you're good.

1556
01:18:55,200 --> 01:18:57,280
Speaker 3: It comes with the territory. You think Andy Reid wants

1557
01:18:57,320 --> 01:18:59,719
Speaker 3: to play all these night games. No, but it comes

1558
01:18:59,720 --> 01:19:03,320
Speaker 3: with being the chief. You're the Pittsburgh Steelers. I just

1559
01:19:03,360 --> 01:19:06,640
Speaker 3: think they have gotten to this position where it's ard.

1560
01:19:06,840 --> 01:19:09,320
Speaker 3: I mean, look at the Saints. Tru Breese retires and

1561
01:19:09,320 --> 01:19:12,200
Speaker 3: they're just going through quarterbacks. They tried to Derek that failed.

1562
01:19:12,200 --> 01:19:14,080
Speaker 3: Now they're in this weird position with a twenty eight

1563
01:19:14,120 --> 01:19:17,760
Speaker 3: year old rookie. It's not like an easy solution, but

1564
01:19:17,800 --> 01:19:22,080
Speaker 3: they've shown their true colors of like their organizational philosophy

1565
01:19:22,160 --> 01:19:25,320
Speaker 3: is run the ball and play defense that is Bruce Arians.

1566
01:19:25,960 --> 01:19:28,719
Speaker 3: When Roethlisberger was turning into a star, the Rooney family

1567
01:19:28,800 --> 01:19:30,760
Speaker 3: was not happy with them throwing the ball so much.

1568
01:19:30,920 --> 01:19:34,000
Speaker 3: That's when they were winning the Super Bowl. You know,

1569
01:19:34,520 --> 01:19:37,800
Speaker 3: the organizational philosophy does not start with Mike Tomlin. It

1570
01:19:38,040 --> 01:19:42,120
Speaker 3: starts with the Rooney family clad run the ball. I mean, look,

1571
01:19:42,160 --> 01:19:44,679
Speaker 3: they draft that running back who I like, the Iowa kid,

1572
01:19:45,200 --> 01:19:48,559
Speaker 3: and they drafted defensive tackle in the first They've been

1573
01:19:48,600 --> 01:19:50,799
Speaker 3: doing the same thing since well before I was alive,

1574
01:19:50,880 --> 01:19:52,240
Speaker 3: and I think they are going to be doing it

1575
01:19:52,479 --> 01:19:55,880
Speaker 3: well after Tomlin's gone one day. So I think whether

1576
01:19:55,960 --> 01:19:58,240
Speaker 3: Rogers shows up or whether they Mason Rudolph hands the

1577
01:19:58,280 --> 01:20:01,000
Speaker 3: ball to Caleb Johnson and they to stuff the run

1578
01:20:01,080 --> 01:20:04,000
Speaker 3: with Harmon and TJ. Watt like that's how they're gonna play,

1579
01:20:04,040 --> 01:20:06,240
Speaker 3: which is insane, But you could argue even if he

1580
01:20:06,280 --> 01:20:09,479
Speaker 3: shows up, they're gonna beat Joe Burrow and Lamar Jackson

1581
01:20:09,800 --> 01:20:12,360
Speaker 3: of these teams. So it's the Bills. What are we

1582
01:20:12,400 --> 01:20:15,600
Speaker 3: even talking about? They are kind of stuck. They're like

1583
01:20:15,640 --> 01:20:20,080
Speaker 3: the better version of the post Peyton Drew brees Saints,

1584
01:20:20,680 --> 01:20:23,000
Speaker 3: but it still doesn't get you anywhere, and it leads

1585
01:20:23,040 --> 01:20:25,200
Speaker 3: actually to a lot more animosity where it's like what

1586
01:20:25,240 --> 01:20:28,439
Speaker 3: are we doing? Like how often are we celebrating he's

1587
01:20:28,479 --> 01:20:30,920
Speaker 3: never had a losing season. Yes, we know he's really

1588
01:20:30,960 --> 01:20:34,479
Speaker 3: good coach. But like, if the organization we don't pick

1589
01:20:34,680 --> 01:20:36,880
Speaker 3: or go after young quarterbacks, why not just draft a

1590
01:20:36,960 --> 01:20:39,439
Speaker 3: quarterback every year in the top couple of rounds just

1591
01:20:39,520 --> 01:20:41,639
Speaker 3: until you figure it out. When you're in this position,

1592
01:20:41,880 --> 01:20:44,559
Speaker 3: you got to take some swings. So let's just resign

1593
01:20:44,640 --> 01:20:46,760
Speaker 3: Mason Rudolph and trade for this, Like this is not

1594
01:20:46,840 --> 01:20:47,639
Speaker 3: gonna work. Guys.

1595
01:20:47,720 --> 01:20:50,880
Speaker 1: Well, just the fact they keep going back to Mason

1596
01:20:51,000 --> 01:20:54,960
Speaker 1: Rudolph's I mean, they just they It tells you they're

1597
01:20:55,000 --> 01:20:57,200
Speaker 1: just uncomfortable with risk offensively.

1598
01:20:57,320 --> 01:20:59,679
Speaker 3: Well, they tried last year, right, which was a little

1599
01:20:59,720 --> 01:21:01,400
Speaker 3: out of there. They're like, we'll get these two guys

1600
01:21:02,120 --> 01:21:03,840
Speaker 3: and it ended and there you could tell it that

1601
01:21:04,000 --> 01:21:07,919
Speaker 3: wasn't really our thing, you know, Russell big personality, fields,

1602
01:21:08,120 --> 01:21:11,720
Speaker 3: got some limitations, but ideally probably not a starter for us.

1603
01:21:12,200 --> 01:21:14,120
Speaker 3: They didn't like that, and I give them credit for

1604
01:21:14,200 --> 01:21:17,120
Speaker 3: trying what they tried. They punted on Canny Pickett and

1605
01:21:17,160 --> 01:21:19,559
Speaker 3: clearly they're like, we're not doing that thing again. Too

1606
01:21:19,640 --> 01:21:22,080
Speaker 3: many people talking about there but now they're waiting on

1607
01:21:22,160 --> 01:21:24,800
Speaker 3: Aaron Rodgers. I don't know, just they're in just a

1608
01:21:24,800 --> 01:21:27,760
Speaker 3: weird space for a franchise that. I mean, what would

1609
01:21:27,800 --> 01:21:29,639
Speaker 3: you say, in your lifetime one of the better run

1610
01:21:29,720 --> 01:21:32,960
Speaker 3: American sports franchises in America?

1611
01:21:33,120 --> 01:21:37,240
Speaker 1: I thought until maybe twelve years ago, I thought you

1612
01:21:37,280 --> 01:21:40,559
Speaker 1: could argue they were the best overall franchise most of

1613
01:21:40,600 --> 01:21:45,960
Speaker 1: my life. I mean I started watching football nineteen seventy two,

1614
01:21:46,000 --> 01:21:49,280
Speaker 1: but from like nineteen seventy four, seventy five until maybe

1615
01:21:49,280 --> 01:21:51,160
Speaker 1: ten to twelve years ago, I thought they were in

1616
01:21:51,200 --> 01:21:55,280
Speaker 1: the you know, they were in the argument with the Patriots,

1617
01:21:55,320 --> 01:21:57,760
Speaker 1: and Patriots had down years, but the Brady years, but

1618
01:21:57,800 --> 01:22:00,720
Speaker 1: I mean, they were just like well run. And now

1619
01:22:00,760 --> 01:22:05,080
Speaker 1: there's it's I always find this this ish is fascinating

1620
01:22:05,080 --> 01:22:09,679
Speaker 1: to me, old successful people that can't age well and

1621
01:22:09,920 --> 01:22:12,880
Speaker 1: I it's it's just really really weird to me. When

1622
01:22:12,880 --> 01:22:14,840
Speaker 1: you like, when you see Bobby Knight, I'm not going

1623
01:22:14,920 --> 01:22:16,080
Speaker 1: to do the one and done?

1624
01:22:16,320 --> 01:22:16,640
Speaker 2: Why not?

1625
01:22:17,360 --> 01:22:19,320
Speaker 1: Don't want to win games? Like I don't get it?

1626
01:22:19,920 --> 01:22:23,200
Speaker 1: Or Belichick Matt Patrici is the offensive coordinator. Bill, You're

1627
01:22:23,240 --> 01:22:23,840
Speaker 1: smarter than that.

1628
01:22:24,000 --> 01:22:24,599
Speaker 2: What are you doing?

1629
01:22:24,720 --> 01:22:28,680
Speaker 1: Like, it's fascinating to me that all the people in

1630
01:22:28,720 --> 01:22:32,799
Speaker 1: the building in Pittsburgh and they can't get the offensive

1631
01:22:32,840 --> 01:22:36,400
Speaker 1: line right, they can't get quarterback right, and they're not

1632
01:22:36,560 --> 01:22:38,960
Speaker 1: I mean Kenny Pickett, I guess was a swing. But

1633
01:22:39,000 --> 01:22:42,120
Speaker 1: it's like I just it's not that hard. I think

1634
01:22:42,200 --> 01:22:48,519
Speaker 1: sometimes I underestimate the gap between like Sean McVeigh I

1635
01:22:48,520 --> 01:22:50,840
Speaker 1: did this the other day.

1636
01:22:50,920 --> 01:22:53,120
Speaker 2: The Steelers are the opposite of the Rams.

1637
01:22:53,800 --> 01:22:58,040
Speaker 1: The Rams spend money on a young, progressive offensive coach.

1638
01:22:59,000 --> 01:23:02,200
Speaker 1: Steeler's an oldie asive coach. One team has made the

1639
01:23:02,240 --> 01:23:07,880
Speaker 1: playoffs like like seven of the last eight years. The

1640
01:23:07,880 --> 01:23:10,479
Speaker 1: Steelers haven't won a playoff game in like eight years

1641
01:23:10,560 --> 01:23:11,040
Speaker 1: or something.

1642
01:23:12,320 --> 01:23:12,559
Speaker 2: You know.

1643
01:23:12,680 --> 01:23:15,800
Speaker 1: One team spends no money on defense. One leads the

1644
01:23:15,880 --> 01:23:21,200
Speaker 1: league in spending on defense. One never takes a chance

1645
01:23:21,200 --> 01:23:23,439
Speaker 1: on character guys, like they just they don't put them

1646
01:23:23,439 --> 01:23:26,879
Speaker 1: on their draft board. One makes a living off. That's

1647
01:23:26,960 --> 01:23:30,000
Speaker 1: it's it's it's almost if I can't quite figure the

1648
01:23:30,000 --> 01:23:33,640
Speaker 1: Steelers out. They want character, but nobody's had more divas

1649
01:23:33,680 --> 01:23:38,519
Speaker 1: and high maintenance offensive guys than the Steelers. They want

1650
01:23:38,560 --> 01:23:41,120
Speaker 1: to win, but then they don't take care of the

1651
01:23:41,200 --> 01:23:44,080
Speaker 1: number one position, like I just I find them. I

1652
01:23:44,160 --> 01:23:47,080
Speaker 1: feel like there's a messaging issue in the building. And

1653
01:23:48,000 --> 01:23:52,080
Speaker 1: like Omar Kahn, my sources don't consider him like a

1654
01:23:52,120 --> 01:23:53,320
Speaker 1: great general manager.

1655
01:23:54,040 --> 01:23:57,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, I know that. What was his name, Colbert, the

1656
01:23:57,360 --> 01:24:00,200
Speaker 3: former GM. I think one really really highly thought of

1657
01:24:00,200 --> 01:24:03,200
Speaker 3: in the NFL circles by personnel people. I think people

1658
01:24:03,240 --> 01:24:05,800
Speaker 3: would say that they've dropped off, you know, in terms

1659
01:24:05,800 --> 01:24:08,920
Speaker 3: of that just the group Cohn and his group relative

1660
01:24:08,960 --> 01:24:11,960
Speaker 3: to Colbert, I would say. The other thing is, you know,

1661
01:24:12,040 --> 01:24:16,400
Speaker 3: once the Ravens moved to Baltimore and Aussie and DaCosta

1662
01:24:16,439 --> 01:24:19,160
Speaker 3: was with them the whole time they had you know,

1663
01:24:19,280 --> 01:24:21,000
Speaker 3: during the two thousand now they had really good teams,

1664
01:24:21,000 --> 01:24:23,120
Speaker 3: but they basically played the Steelers every year. They became

1665
01:24:23,120 --> 01:24:26,080
Speaker 3: their rival, and they copied the way they did things

1666
01:24:26,160 --> 01:24:30,720
Speaker 3: like toughness, hardcore guys, playing any environment, toughest team in

1667
01:24:30,760 --> 01:24:33,720
Speaker 3: the league. And now over the last decade plus, it's

1668
01:24:33,720 --> 01:24:36,240
Speaker 3: like we do it better than you. So we had

1669
01:24:36,240 --> 01:24:38,960
Speaker 3: a front row seat. It's like you're our main competition

1670
01:24:39,080 --> 01:24:42,439
Speaker 3: in business. We know exactly how you do things. Yet

1671
01:24:42,479 --> 01:24:44,840
Speaker 3: we're a little more open minded and progressive to the

1672
01:24:44,840 --> 01:24:48,040
Speaker 3: way that we scout coach. However, and we've now lacked

1673
01:24:48,080 --> 01:24:50,599
Speaker 3: you because that's what it feels like. The Ravens are

1674
01:24:50,640 --> 01:24:54,479
Speaker 3: running circles around them, and hell, the Ravens can't even

1675
01:24:54,479 --> 01:24:56,240
Speaker 3: get over the hump in the playoffs. But they're in

1676
01:24:56,280 --> 01:24:59,760
Speaker 3: a different universe than the Steelers. And then the Bengals. Listen,

1677
01:25:00,000 --> 01:25:02,240
Speaker 3: a lot of people make fun of them, but they've

1678
01:25:02,280 --> 01:25:04,000
Speaker 3: hit on some players over the years, and getting Joe

1679
01:25:04,040 --> 01:25:07,439
Speaker 3: Burrow changed that franchise. Regardless how weird and rinky dink

1680
01:25:07,640 --> 01:25:10,760
Speaker 3: it can feel sometimes, but I do think the Ravens

1681
01:25:11,040 --> 01:25:15,840
Speaker 3: kind of getting their blueprint and then modernizing it like

1682
01:25:15,880 --> 01:25:19,360
Speaker 3: the Internet version, has really hurt if the Ravens were

1683
01:25:19,400 --> 01:25:21,479
Speaker 3: a little bit more of just a regular run of

1684
01:25:21,520 --> 01:25:23,200
Speaker 3: the mill, you know, ten to eleven win team, but

1685
01:25:23,240 --> 01:25:27,400
Speaker 3: they just have become a dominant NFL team, especially with Lamar.

1686
01:25:28,040 --> 01:25:30,479
Speaker 3: It has made the Steelers look a lot worse. I mean, look,

1687
01:25:31,280 --> 01:25:34,599
Speaker 3: anyone could have had Derrick Henry right. They got him

1688
01:25:34,680 --> 01:25:37,320
Speaker 3: eight million dollars, boom, he goes there, he runs for whatever,

1689
01:25:37,320 --> 01:25:39,360
Speaker 3: almost two thousand yards and they give him an extension.

1690
01:25:39,360 --> 01:25:42,360
Speaker 3: It's like no brainer. It's like, shouldn't the Steelers have

1691
01:25:42,400 --> 01:25:43,760
Speaker 3: been all over a guy like that? I mean, they

1692
01:25:43,760 --> 01:25:46,600
Speaker 3: were kicking Najie Harris to the curb, and I just

1693
01:25:46,600 --> 01:25:48,479
Speaker 3: think that the Steelers are just kind of in this

1694
01:25:48,560 --> 01:25:51,040
Speaker 3: weird spot. They're too well run and they, you know,

1695
01:25:51,080 --> 01:25:52,880
Speaker 3: Mike tom was too high level of a guy. They're

1696
01:25:52,920 --> 01:25:55,400
Speaker 3: never gonna suck like, They're never gonna have a season

1697
01:25:55,400 --> 01:25:56,920
Speaker 3: where it's like, oh, this is the year they drafted

1698
01:25:56,960 --> 01:26:00,200
Speaker 3: six This is not gonna happen. But draft I think

1699
01:26:00,240 --> 01:26:03,320
Speaker 3: sixteenth to twentieth every year is not a great place

1700
01:26:03,320 --> 01:26:06,040
Speaker 3: to be either, because they're doing it basically every year

1701
01:26:06,040 --> 01:26:08,320
Speaker 3: for what a decade plus. They haven't won a playoff

1702
01:26:08,360 --> 01:26:12,360
Speaker 3: game since they beat Kansas City in the second round.

1703
01:26:13,120 --> 01:26:15,920
Speaker 3: I think that was Roethlisberger, Antonio Brown, and levey On

1704
01:26:16,000 --> 01:26:18,640
Speaker 3: Bell where their star offensive players.

1705
01:26:20,200 --> 01:26:24,439
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, last sixteen years, Ravens, including playoffs, have won

1706
01:26:24,479 --> 01:26:26,240
Speaker 1: the most games in that division, and that was about

1707
01:26:26,880 --> 01:26:31,320
Speaker 1: I think Steve Bushatti bought the franchise twenty plus years ago,

1708
01:26:31,400 --> 01:26:33,040
Speaker 1: but it took him a few years to get it right.

1709
01:26:33,960 --> 01:26:36,040
Speaker 1: And to your point, they think they copied the Steelers

1710
01:26:36,120 --> 01:26:38,599
Speaker 1: model a little bit. I mean, in that cold weather

1711
01:26:38,800 --> 01:26:41,200
Speaker 1: part of the country, there are certain absolutes, like you

1712
01:26:41,240 --> 01:26:43,439
Speaker 1: have to be able to run the football, you have

1713
01:26:43,479 --> 01:26:46,519
Speaker 1: to play really good defense, you better have good offensive lines.

1714
01:26:46,560 --> 01:26:48,080
Speaker 1: You're not going to be throwing the ball down the field.

1715
01:26:48,120 --> 01:26:50,240
Speaker 1: In fact, I could argue before Za Flowers, I just

1716
01:26:50,479 --> 01:26:53,840
Speaker 1: I didn't think Baltimore drafted wide receivers particularly well. They

1717
01:26:53,920 --> 01:26:57,479
Speaker 1: drafted everything else exceptionally well. The Steelers draft wide receivers

1718
01:26:57,479 --> 01:26:59,600
Speaker 1: exceptionally well, but they've had a lot of misses on

1719
01:26:59,640 --> 01:27:03,800
Speaker 1: the offense, intive lining, quarterbacks, and other spaces. So it is, Uh,

1720
01:27:04,120 --> 01:27:06,120
Speaker 1: it is a weird franchise. Okay, this is just a

1721
01:27:06,160 --> 01:27:11,439
Speaker 1: little bit of a little bit of schedule talk, and uh,

1722
01:27:11,479 --> 01:27:24,840
Speaker 1: that's good. Speaking of social lifes, Aaron Rodgers got married.

1723
01:27:24,880 --> 01:27:27,519
Speaker 1: I saw he had a wedding ring on and I

1724
01:27:27,560 --> 01:27:30,560
Speaker 1: was talking about this on FS one today. In the

1725
01:27:30,640 --> 01:27:32,559
Speaker 1: last year, I've had a couple of buddies who are

1726
01:27:32,600 --> 01:27:38,639
Speaker 1: gms in the league, and one of the lines I've

1727
01:27:38,880 --> 01:27:42,040
Speaker 1: I've used in my business for a long time is

1728
01:27:42,120 --> 01:27:45,639
Speaker 1: weird doesn't work. You can be you can have an ego,

1729
01:27:47,120 --> 01:27:52,320
Speaker 1: you can even be a little temperamental, you can make mistakes,

1730
01:27:52,800 --> 01:27:56,400
Speaker 1: but if you're weird, eventually companies will move on from you.

1731
01:27:56,880 --> 01:27:58,920
Speaker 1: And I had a general manager tell me I was

1732
01:27:59,680 --> 01:28:02,240
Speaker 1: out them about six months ago, and he said, Aaron

1733
01:28:02,360 --> 01:28:05,160
Speaker 1: just got weird, and he said, and there's a story

1734
01:28:05,160 --> 01:28:07,840
Speaker 1: that McVeigh passed on him, Kevin O'Connell passed on him.

1735
01:28:07,920 --> 01:28:10,560
Speaker 1: He was the Steeters third choice. And it's I was

1736
01:28:10,600 --> 01:28:13,000
Speaker 1: writing down a list today of the quarterbacks I would

1737
01:28:13,000 --> 01:28:15,120
Speaker 1: take over Aaron in the league, and there were sixteen

1738
01:28:15,160 --> 01:28:18,519
Speaker 1: of them, including like bo Nicks. I'm not paying Bnicks anything.

1739
01:28:18,560 --> 01:28:21,320
Speaker 1: He's more coachable, he's more athletic, he throws a fine ball.

1740
01:28:21,920 --> 01:28:24,760
Speaker 1: I think Aaron's just gotten to a point where I

1741
01:28:24,800 --> 01:28:28,080
Speaker 1: think Pittsburgh's about the only offer he had, and reportedly,

1742
01:28:28,080 --> 01:28:30,200
Speaker 1: according to Schefter, he was their third choice.

1743
01:28:30,280 --> 01:28:32,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I do think it's pretty bizarre that

1744
01:28:32,920 --> 01:28:35,320
Speaker 3: he signs this contract. He's supported in the wedding ring.

1745
01:28:36,080 --> 01:28:39,720
Speaker 3: I mean, this is these quarterbacks. You know who they're

1746
01:28:39,760 --> 01:28:42,479
Speaker 3: married to is kind. I mean they're pretty big stars, right,

1747
01:28:42,680 --> 01:28:46,519
Speaker 3: They're like actors, NBA stars. Josh Allen gets married. We

1748
01:28:46,560 --> 01:28:48,639
Speaker 3: all know it's not all these guys even married famous

1749
01:28:48,640 --> 01:28:51,360
Speaker 3: people like Josh Allen or Tom Brady. They're married to

1750
01:28:51,400 --> 01:28:54,320
Speaker 3: other famous people. Patrick mahomes married to his high school sweetheart.

1751
01:28:54,760 --> 01:28:56,200
Speaker 3: Peyton Manning is married to a girl I think he

1752
01:28:56,240 --> 01:28:58,800
Speaker 3: dated in college. Who cares. This whole thing of like

1753
01:28:58,880 --> 01:29:01,040
Speaker 3: I got things going on in my personal life, which

1754
01:29:01,080 --> 01:29:03,439
Speaker 3: I assumed it was negative stuff. Turns out maybe he

1755
01:29:03,479 --> 01:29:05,400
Speaker 3: was just getting married and wanted to push this off.

1756
01:29:05,960 --> 01:29:09,679
Speaker 3: It's just kind of the I've always been pro Aaron

1757
01:29:09,720 --> 01:29:12,080
Speaker 3: Rodgers as a player because I thought he was incredible,

1758
01:29:12,760 --> 01:29:14,400
Speaker 3: you know. I thought, in the peak of his powers,

1759
01:29:14,439 --> 01:29:16,559
Speaker 3: he's one of the best athletes in terms of their

1760
01:29:16,600 --> 01:29:18,880
Speaker 3: sport I've ever seen in my entire life, which is

1761
01:29:18,920 --> 01:29:21,400
Speaker 3: weird because when you look at the totality of his career,

1762
01:29:21,439 --> 01:29:24,479
Speaker 3: it almost feels underwhelming for how good he was. You know,

1763
01:29:24,560 --> 01:29:26,040
Speaker 3: I think he let down in the playoffs. I mean

1764
01:29:26,080 --> 01:29:28,360
Speaker 3: they lost a couple of years ago to at Home

1765
01:29:28,439 --> 01:29:31,040
Speaker 3: to Jimmy Garoppolo in the forty nine ers offense. I

1766
01:29:31,080 --> 01:29:34,320
Speaker 3: think they scored thirteen points. That can't happen. But I

1767
01:29:34,600 --> 01:29:36,200
Speaker 3: think this whole because we knew he was going to

1768
01:29:36,240 --> 01:29:37,920
Speaker 3: go to Pittsburgh, it was just when he was going

1769
01:29:38,000 --> 01:29:40,799
Speaker 3: to sign. But that picture of him with the wedding

1770
01:29:40,880 --> 01:29:43,719
Speaker 3: ring is just a little bizarre. I mean, there's really

1771
01:29:43,760 --> 01:29:46,320
Speaker 3: no way around it, right, And you've been on this

1772
01:29:46,400 --> 01:29:48,800
Speaker 3: forever listen as someone that got I got married for

1773
01:29:48,840 --> 01:29:51,920
Speaker 3: the first time at forty years old. Now there is

1774
01:29:51,960 --> 01:29:54,120
Speaker 3: a and a lot of my friends and my brother

1775
01:29:54,200 --> 01:29:56,639
Speaker 3: got married in their late twenties, early thirties. Your life

1776
01:29:56,680 --> 01:30:00,559
Speaker 3: is dramatically different, you know, I mean basically, then you

1777
01:30:00,600 --> 01:30:04,759
Speaker 3: have kids. It is a completely different lifestyle. And he's

1778
01:30:04,920 --> 01:30:08,599
Speaker 3: just kind of been in this weird spot. Obviously. Also

1779
01:30:08,640 --> 01:30:12,360
Speaker 3: as a player, he's no longer the saint. His mobility's gone,

1780
01:30:12,880 --> 01:30:14,799
Speaker 3: think about it. Not a dominant player anymore.

1781
01:30:15,640 --> 01:30:20,280
Speaker 1: You can argue Tom Brady had a twenty year prime,

1782
01:30:21,360 --> 01:30:24,120
Speaker 1: a twenty year prime now even though he was really

1783
01:30:24,120 --> 01:30:27,679
Speaker 1: good past forty I don't really consider it. Maybe forty

1784
01:30:27,720 --> 01:30:29,799
Speaker 1: one and then the prime ended, but he was still

1785
01:30:29,880 --> 01:30:30,559
Speaker 1: through a great I.

1786
01:30:30,800 --> 01:30:32,680
Speaker 3: Can put that first. That first year and a half

1787
01:30:32,760 --> 01:30:34,719
Speaker 3: in Tampa. I think he was pretty good, still.

1788
01:30:35,080 --> 01:30:38,240
Speaker 1: Twenty year prime. People forget this. Aaron's last year in

1789
01:30:38,280 --> 01:30:42,879
Speaker 1: Green Bay. They played in they played an average Lions

1790
01:30:42,920 --> 01:30:45,400
Speaker 1: team at home and lost, and it was Aaron. I

1791
01:30:45,400 --> 01:30:47,639
Speaker 1: think it was Aaron's last was his last game as

1792
01:30:47,640 --> 01:30:48,440
Speaker 1: a Packer.

1793
01:30:48,479 --> 01:30:51,240
Speaker 3: And he got outplayed by Golf in that game, thoroughly outplayed.

1794
01:30:51,400 --> 01:30:53,320
Speaker 2: Okay, so Aaron.

1795
01:30:53,960 --> 01:30:56,920
Speaker 1: So that year, if you go back statistically, Aaron was

1796
01:30:56,960 --> 01:31:00,200
Speaker 1: a B plus quarterback. He didn't play his first three

1797
01:31:00,240 --> 01:31:02,679
Speaker 1: years in the league, right, he sat in the bench.

1798
01:31:03,040 --> 01:31:05,320
Speaker 1: His fourth year he started, he went six and ten.

1799
01:31:06,040 --> 01:31:10,200
Speaker 1: I can argue Aaron had less than a ten year prime.

1800
01:31:11,280 --> 01:31:13,400
Speaker 1: I mean, because he hasn't done anything in four years.

1801
01:31:13,560 --> 01:31:16,240
Speaker 1: He didn't do anything the first four years, So I

1802
01:31:16,240 --> 01:31:18,639
Speaker 1: mean Aaron's prime was about half.

1803
01:31:18,760 --> 01:31:21,719
Speaker 3: I'd give him two thousand and nine to about twenty

1804
01:31:21,760 --> 01:31:23,560
Speaker 3: one twenty two. I mean he won the MVP in

1805
01:31:23,600 --> 01:31:27,639
Speaker 3: twenty one, twenty and twenty one. Yeah, about about ten

1806
01:31:27,640 --> 01:31:28,599
Speaker 3: to eleven years max.

1807
01:31:29,760 --> 01:31:30,320
Speaker 2: Think about that.

1808
01:31:30,439 --> 01:31:34,080
Speaker 1: Brady's at twenty and I So if you really look

1809
01:31:34,120 --> 01:31:38,000
Speaker 1: at Peyton, Manning's probably about fourteen usually. Yeah, I mean

1810
01:31:38,120 --> 01:31:42,000
Speaker 1: Mahomes maybe one of those seventeen to eighteen years. Aaron

1811
01:31:42,400 --> 01:31:45,639
Speaker 1: just and I think a lot of it was just Aaron.

1812
01:31:45,760 --> 01:31:47,759
Speaker 1: I don't think he was as committed in the off season.

1813
01:31:49,080 --> 01:31:51,920
Speaker 1: I think he wasn't.

1814
01:31:51,960 --> 01:31:52,120
Speaker 2: You know.

1815
01:31:52,160 --> 01:31:53,880
Speaker 1: I thought he was really good the year he went

1816
01:31:53,920 --> 01:31:56,120
Speaker 1: six and ten, But I didn't think he was I

1817
01:31:56,160 --> 01:31:58,560
Speaker 1: just thought he was talented. He wasn't a winning quarterback.

1818
01:31:58,920 --> 01:32:01,679
Speaker 1: But I think a lot of that is just I've

1819
01:32:01,720 --> 01:32:03,840
Speaker 1: always been one of these people. I'm not impressed by

1820
01:32:03,840 --> 01:32:06,519
Speaker 1: people that get jobs. I'm impressed by people that keep them.

1821
01:32:06,640 --> 01:32:09,200
Speaker 1: Like I think there is a real skill to being

1822
01:32:09,280 --> 01:32:13,320
Speaker 1: Lebron James or Tom Brady or Derek Jeter, and it's

1823
01:32:13,320 --> 01:32:17,000
Speaker 1: a commitment on nutrition, what you eat, sleep, And I

1824
01:32:17,040 --> 01:32:19,320
Speaker 1: think that's a skill. I think discipline is a skill.

1825
01:32:19,400 --> 01:32:23,320
Speaker 1: Maybe people don't. Maybe I'm wrong. Maybe mental health professionals

1826
01:32:23,640 --> 01:32:26,479
Speaker 1: would argue that disciplines is you know, it's it's.

1827
01:32:26,360 --> 01:32:28,680
Speaker 3: Not a he says that, not as a moron. From

1828
01:32:28,720 --> 01:32:31,080
Speaker 3: the Navy seals, to our athletes, to our CEOs, what

1829
01:32:31,120 --> 01:32:33,080
Speaker 3: are they one? It's a skill.

1830
01:32:33,680 --> 01:32:38,280
Speaker 2: And I just look at Aaron's crime.

1831
01:32:38,840 --> 01:32:41,760
Speaker 1: It's half of Brady. And you can say what you want,

1832
01:32:41,760 --> 01:32:43,680
Speaker 1: But that last year in Green Bay, he was a

1833
01:32:43,720 --> 01:32:46,160
Speaker 1: b quarterback and he's gone downhill since. I mean, he's

1834
01:32:46,200 --> 01:32:48,519
Speaker 1: just a pocket guy now. And he's not even like

1835
01:32:48,560 --> 01:32:51,160
Speaker 1: an elite pocket guy. He's just a pocket guy.

1836
01:32:51,760 --> 01:32:54,280
Speaker 3: Well, I think when you look at his contemporaries or

1837
01:32:54,400 --> 01:32:57,640
Speaker 3: definitely his peers over his career, because he came in

1838
01:32:57,680 --> 01:33:01,040
Speaker 3: a lot later than Peyton and definitely, you know, definitely

1839
01:33:01,040 --> 01:33:03,800
Speaker 3: Peyton and Tom, he was way more physically gifted than

1840
01:33:03,800 --> 01:33:06,360
Speaker 3: those guys. Those guys couldn't run. Tom and Payton couldn't

1841
01:33:06,400 --> 01:33:09,559
Speaker 3: run at all. I would say Drew Brees definitely wasn't

1842
01:33:09,600 --> 01:33:13,640
Speaker 3: a mobile quarterback, and he just had more skills. I mean,

1843
01:33:13,720 --> 01:33:15,800
Speaker 3: I would say Peyton and Drew Brees are known at

1844
01:33:15,880 --> 01:33:19,600
Speaker 3: best average arms, right, they hung their hat on accuracy.

1845
01:33:19,840 --> 01:33:22,519
Speaker 3: Tom had the best arm of that trio. But those

1846
01:33:22,520 --> 01:33:24,840
Speaker 3: guys worked like they could get cut next year. I

1847
01:33:24,840 --> 01:33:28,280
Speaker 3: mean everyone you ever talked to that were around those guys, Yeah,

1848
01:33:28,400 --> 01:33:30,719
Speaker 3: they were discussed like they were Michael Jordan or Kobe

1849
01:33:30,720 --> 01:33:33,080
Speaker 3: Bryant or Tiger Woods. Their addiction to their craft and

1850
01:33:33,120 --> 01:33:36,120
Speaker 3: how much it meant to them. I do think Aaron

1851
01:33:36,200 --> 01:33:39,240
Speaker 3: really benefited a lot. I mean, Tom Brady goes to

1852
01:33:39,360 --> 01:33:43,719
Speaker 3: the Patriots who sucked him, and Bill turned that thing around.

1853
01:33:43,960 --> 01:33:45,680
Speaker 3: Peyton went to the Colts who had the number one

1854
01:33:45,720 --> 01:33:48,040
Speaker 3: overall pick, and Drew Brees and Sean Payton showed up

1855
01:33:48,080 --> 01:33:50,280
Speaker 3: to the Saints that were known as the Aince. This

1856
01:33:50,320 --> 01:33:53,599
Speaker 3: guy went to the Green Bay Packers, who were a

1857
01:33:53,960 --> 01:33:56,640
Speaker 3: model franchise for fifteen plus years before we got there.

1858
01:33:57,200 --> 01:34:00,400
Speaker 3: And I always think that, like listen him and Devon Day,

1859
01:34:01,280 --> 01:34:03,880
Speaker 3: sometimes you know, you kind of make up your own

1860
01:34:03,920 --> 01:34:06,160
Speaker 3: problems in your head when life's going a little too good,

1861
01:34:06,200 --> 01:34:08,479
Speaker 3: and it felt like those two guys, I mean, they

1862
01:34:08,520 --> 01:34:10,760
Speaker 3: have to look back after the couple bumpy years of going,

1863
01:34:10,840 --> 01:34:13,040
Speaker 3: we actually had it pretty good. You know, it can

1864
01:34:13,080 --> 01:34:15,559
Speaker 3: be a little boring in this town, but we had

1865
01:34:15,600 --> 01:34:16,559
Speaker 3: a lot of success here.

1866
01:34:16,600 --> 01:34:20,920
Speaker 1: For a reason, I'm looking up Aaron Drew Brees's career

1867
01:34:21,400 --> 01:34:23,840
Speaker 1: from the first five years with the Chargers and then

1868
01:34:23,960 --> 01:34:25,760
Speaker 1: you know that fifteen year run or whatever it was

1869
01:34:25,800 --> 01:34:28,880
Speaker 1: with the Saints. If I go back to Drew Brees,

1870
01:34:28,960 --> 01:34:32,840
Speaker 1: a smaller athlete, you can say his first great year

1871
01:34:32,920 --> 01:34:35,559
Speaker 1: was two thousand and four with the Chargers. So let

1872
01:34:35,560 --> 01:34:41,839
Speaker 1: me count these years one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine, ten, eleven, twelve, thirteen, fourteen,

1873
01:34:41,920 --> 01:34:46,600
Speaker 1: fifty sixteen. I would say Breeze had either sixteen or

1874
01:34:46,720 --> 01:34:53,519
Speaker 1: seventeen elite years, I mean, and I think Brady's twenty plus.

1875
01:34:54,000 --> 01:34:56,599
Speaker 1: So and again this isn't bash Aaron. It's just when

1876
01:34:56,600 --> 01:34:58,559
Speaker 1: you go and I've said this, I said this before

1877
01:34:58,560 --> 01:35:02,360
Speaker 1: to you. If Stafford won another Super Bowl, Stafford was

1878
01:35:02,400 --> 01:35:05,080
Speaker 1: better in college. He was better early, he was much

1879
01:35:05,120 --> 01:35:09,439
Speaker 1: better later. If Stafford plays three more years and endor McVeigh,

1880
01:35:09,439 --> 01:35:12,439
Speaker 1: they would be good they have. I mean, it's they've

1881
01:35:12,479 --> 01:35:15,559
Speaker 1: got their shit rolling. If he gets one more Super Bowl,

1882
01:35:15,880 --> 01:35:18,519
Speaker 1: you're gonna look at Matt Stafford, and you're gonna look

1883
01:35:18,520 --> 01:35:20,880
Speaker 1: at Aaron Rodgers and you're gonna have to have a

1884
01:35:20,920 --> 01:35:26,240
Speaker 1: real hard conversation because that means Stafford's playoff record is

1885
01:35:26,280 --> 01:35:31,000
Speaker 1: gonna be significantly better than Aaron Rodgers, which is basically

1886
01:35:31,080 --> 01:35:33,320
Speaker 1: five hundred. People think I'm crazy when I say this,

1887
01:35:33,640 --> 01:35:38,479
Speaker 1: Stafford has more to gain legacy than any player in

1888
01:35:38,479 --> 01:35:40,000
Speaker 1: the league over the next three years.

1889
01:35:40,400 --> 01:35:42,919
Speaker 3: I will say this about Rogers when it came to Stafford,

1890
01:35:43,000 --> 01:35:45,479
Speaker 3: he was one of his biggest proponents over the years.

1891
01:35:45,640 --> 01:35:47,960
Speaker 3: You know, he was middling away in Detroit. He's like,

1892
01:35:48,000 --> 01:35:51,240
Speaker 3: you guys don't realize and obviously the football people held

1893
01:35:51,320 --> 01:35:53,680
Speaker 3: him in high regard. Kind of got screwed that he

1894
01:35:53,720 --> 01:35:57,040
Speaker 3: got drafted to this franchise that I mean, they're gonna

1895
01:35:57,040 --> 01:35:58,960
Speaker 3: be kids right now in Detroit that have no clue

1896
01:35:59,000 --> 01:36:02,760
Speaker 3: how big would joke that franchise used to be. I

1897
01:36:02,800 --> 01:36:05,880
Speaker 3: will say I think Rogers kind of morphed a little

1898
01:36:05,880 --> 01:36:09,680
Speaker 3: more into like an NBA player, right, or like receivers

1899
01:36:09,680 --> 01:36:12,320
Speaker 3: off then act than these quarterbacks. I mean even Tom

1900
01:36:12,320 --> 01:36:13,800
Speaker 3: for a long period of time just kind of shut

1901
01:36:13,840 --> 01:36:16,960
Speaker 3: his mouth, kept his head down dealing with Bill. I mean, Peyton,

1902
01:36:17,000 --> 01:36:19,120
Speaker 3: would he have ever gone to Denver if they hadn't

1903
01:36:19,160 --> 01:36:20,920
Speaker 3: cut him in India and he had no other neck injury,

1904
01:36:20,920 --> 01:36:23,480
Speaker 3: he just would have played it out forever in Indianapolis.

1905
01:36:23,520 --> 01:36:26,720
Speaker 3: So yeah, I just think Aaron, and part of it

1906
01:36:26,800 --> 01:36:30,400
Speaker 3: might be the the nature of that franchise. You know,

1907
01:36:30,439 --> 01:36:32,160
Speaker 3: You've talked about this a lot of people have over

1908
01:36:32,160 --> 01:36:34,320
Speaker 3: the years. There's no owner to really get involved and

1909
01:36:34,400 --> 01:36:37,400
Speaker 3: kind of calm everyone down, even just the basic of

1910
01:36:37,439 --> 01:36:39,800
Speaker 3: like hey, you want to take my jet with your

1911
01:36:39,880 --> 01:36:42,760
Speaker 3: new wife or your buddies to wherever you want, just

1912
01:36:42,840 --> 01:36:46,080
Speaker 3: the you know, the Eddie de Barbelow, Jerry Jones, the

1913
01:36:46,160 --> 01:36:48,720
Speaker 3: robber craft like kind of taking care of you. There's

1914
01:36:48,760 --> 01:36:52,720
Speaker 3: no that guy doesn't really exist. So I honestly think

1915
01:36:52,760 --> 01:36:55,400
Speaker 3: that those guys, and if I was a Packer fan,

1916
01:36:55,800 --> 01:36:58,439
Speaker 3: We'll see how the Jordan love stuff plays out. But

1917
01:36:58,520 --> 01:37:00,960
Speaker 3: it's like, God, why do these guys make such a

1918
01:37:00,960 --> 01:37:02,560
Speaker 3: big stink. We could have kept it rolling for a

1919
01:37:02,600 --> 01:37:04,720
Speaker 3: couple of years. We have a really good coach. It's like,

1920
01:37:04,800 --> 01:37:07,479
Speaker 3: remember when he was having at odds with Gudakins. It's like,

1921
01:37:07,640 --> 01:37:10,240
Speaker 3: what are you actually mad about with him? Like, what

1922
01:37:10,520 --> 01:37:12,559
Speaker 3: did he do? You know, what are we talking about?

1923
01:37:12,600 --> 01:37:15,320
Speaker 3: And let's face it, his ego was really really hurt

1924
01:37:16,000 --> 01:37:18,880
Speaker 3: with the Jordan Love draft pick Well, looking back and

1925
01:37:18,880 --> 01:37:20,479
Speaker 3: there have been a lot of articles, so was Tom

1926
01:37:20,560 --> 01:37:22,360
Speaker 3: and what did Tom do? Went out and said I'm

1927
01:37:22,360 --> 01:37:24,479
Speaker 3: going to dominate and win Super Bowls and you're gonna

1928
01:37:24,479 --> 01:37:26,479
Speaker 3: have to get rid of that guy, not me. Aaron

1929
01:37:26,520 --> 01:37:28,360
Speaker 3: kind of took the different tactic like screw you guys,

1930
01:37:28,479 --> 01:37:31,560
Speaker 3: get rid of me, and obviously age let's face it,

1931
01:37:31,600 --> 01:37:35,320
Speaker 3: in the history of sports, is An Aaron's career parallel

1932
01:37:35,600 --> 01:37:37,880
Speaker 3: the most guys we've ever watched. Once you get to

1933
01:37:37,880 --> 01:37:40,559
Speaker 3: your late thirties, you had an injury, popped achilles, and

1934
01:37:40,560 --> 01:37:43,040
Speaker 3: you're just never quite the same. And then usually you

1935
01:37:43,080 --> 01:37:47,040
Speaker 3: go to these weird franchises or in his you know,

1936
01:37:47,120 --> 01:37:50,240
Speaker 3: this scenario kind of a desperate one. I think they

1937
01:37:50,280 --> 01:37:53,200
Speaker 3: have a lot of guys, from Cam Hayward to TJ.

1938
01:37:53,360 --> 01:37:56,160
Speaker 3: Tamika that are like serious cats. This has got to

1939
01:37:56,200 --> 01:37:57,920
Speaker 3: be like, wait, we had to wait for you. It's

1940
01:37:57,960 --> 01:37:59,960
Speaker 3: not like you're the greatest thing since sliced bread.

1941
01:38:00,120 --> 01:38:03,880
Speaker 1: Here, buddy, yeah, yeah, I mean, listen, I'm not this.

1942
01:38:04,479 --> 01:38:06,559
Speaker 1: I think this year he'll win the int A nine games,

1943
01:38:06,600 --> 01:38:09,000
Speaker 1: he'll have twenty three touchdowns, ten picks. He'll be fine,

1944
01:38:09,040 --> 01:38:11,720
Speaker 1: and as a game or two'll But it is interesting

1945
01:38:12,240 --> 01:38:14,400
Speaker 1: when you look back, I think Aaron views himself has

1946
01:38:14,439 --> 01:38:17,200
Speaker 1: picked on or marginalized by the media. And when you

1947
01:38:17,320 --> 01:38:20,200
Speaker 1: just start looking at Peyton's career and Ben's career, and

1948
01:38:20,240 --> 01:38:25,000
Speaker 1: Breeze's career, and Brady's career, and Elway and Marino, you

1949
01:38:25,040 --> 01:38:28,080
Speaker 1: just start looking at some of these careers, Aaron's prime

1950
01:38:28,200 --> 01:38:31,080
Speaker 1: was just not as long, and some of that's he

1951
01:38:31,160 --> 01:38:34,920
Speaker 1: sat behind far. But I thought he aged really quickly,

1952
01:38:35,479 --> 01:38:39,160
Speaker 1: and you can speculate why he did, but he did