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Speaker 1: Interesting. I if we're talking about quotes, one of my

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Speaker 3: Andy you talk about golf intelligence and going to moments

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Speaker 2: out and it's a playoff. They play five two five

433
00:25:16,720 --> 00:25:21,160
Speaker 2: SS in its best aggregate score. In the final group

434
00:25:21,200 --> 00:25:24,960
Speaker 2: that Brooks is in is is Koepka. Dani old Berger,

435
00:25:25,000 --> 00:25:29,639
Speaker 2: who's a freshman and then Corey Connors Pendy and Matthwes.

436
00:25:29,920 --> 00:25:34,160
Speaker 2: So you have five tour players. Yeah, five players, all

437
00:25:34,320 --> 00:25:37,920
Speaker 2: tour players, all in this playoff. And Daniel Berger makes

438
00:25:38,119 --> 00:25:41,760
Speaker 2: a double bogie basically from from the fairway. He hit

439
00:25:41,800 --> 00:25:43,680
Speaker 2: it like forty yards short of the green and then

440
00:25:43,800 --> 00:25:46,280
Speaker 2: flubbed the chip and missed a pie. It was awful,

441
00:25:46,680 --> 00:25:50,080
Speaker 2: and Kopka made the only par I think ford on

442
00:25:50,160 --> 00:25:52,879
Speaker 2: Forida State, But yeah, Kent State ended up winning that

443
00:25:52,920 --> 00:25:56,920
Speaker 2: playoff without making a par which was pretty crazy. But yeah,

444
00:25:56,960 --> 00:26:00,159
Speaker 2: I talked to Brooks about that in a few years back,

445
00:26:00,200 --> 00:26:02,879
Speaker 2: and the only thing he said was the only thing

446
00:26:02,920 --> 00:26:07,639
Speaker 2: he remembers from that NCAA championship is that Burger choked,

447
00:26:07,920 --> 00:26:10,200
Speaker 2: like to this day. Just he's like, yeah, I remember

448
00:26:10,200 --> 00:26:14,560
Speaker 2: Burger choking Bridley. I mean, hopefully this isn't I don't

449
00:26:14,600 --> 00:26:17,000
Speaker 2: think this is jumping ahead too much. Brooks comes out

450
00:26:17,080 --> 00:26:18,960
Speaker 2: to the Challenge Tour right a little bit of an

451
00:26:19,040 --> 00:26:22,320
Speaker 2: unconventional route, Like I think, now this is generalizing, but

452
00:26:22,359 --> 00:26:24,440
Speaker 2: each year there's a couple of college players where it's like,

453
00:26:24,480 --> 00:26:27,399
Speaker 2: all right, that might be a tour player. How ha

454
00:26:27,440 --> 00:26:31,080
Speaker 2: was Brooks thought of when he left college? Because I

455
00:26:31,119 --> 00:26:32,960
Speaker 2: feel like It's hard to go back in time and

456
00:26:33,000 --> 00:26:36,080
Speaker 2: remember exactly unless you followed college golf super closely what

457
00:26:36,119 --> 00:26:38,760
Speaker 2: you thought of Brooks kept as a prospect at the time, Like, yeah,

458
00:26:38,880 --> 00:26:41,679
Speaker 2: how are people thinking about him? I mean he was

459
00:26:41,720 --> 00:26:44,280
Speaker 2: probably I mean he won three times in college. He

460
00:26:44,320 --> 00:26:47,840
Speaker 2: had a really consistent you know, last couple of seasons

461
00:26:47,880 --> 00:26:50,560
Speaker 2: too to where he was. I mean he was finishing

462
00:26:50,640 --> 00:26:53,119
Speaker 2: T seven and T eleven things like that. He was

463
00:26:53,160 --> 00:26:56,400
Speaker 2: really solid. I would say he was probably a top

464
00:26:56,520 --> 00:27:00,119
Speaker 2: ten guy coming out, But back then it was it

465
00:27:00,160 --> 00:27:02,959
Speaker 2: was weird. It seemed like you had to be, you know,

466
00:27:03,040 --> 00:27:06,800
Speaker 2: one of the top three guys in wagger to get starts,

467
00:27:06,800 --> 00:27:09,040
Speaker 2: like to get sponsor exemptions. And that was the big

468
00:27:09,080 --> 00:27:10,879
Speaker 2: thing and the big reason why he went to the

469
00:27:10,960 --> 00:27:14,960
Speaker 2: Challenge Tour. And I believe I forget who even recommended it.

470
00:27:14,960 --> 00:27:19,000
Speaker 2: It might have been Rocky Hambricks, his agent recommended him

471
00:27:19,000 --> 00:27:20,800
Speaker 2: go to the Challenge Tour, but it was because he

472
00:27:20,800 --> 00:27:22,560
Speaker 2: didn't get any sponsor exemptions.

473
00:27:22,960 --> 00:27:26,719
Speaker 1: Like it's like this through line with Brooks of like

474
00:27:26,920 --> 00:27:33,000
Speaker 1: never really being respected, like the big name, like and

475
00:27:33,359 --> 00:27:37,359
Speaker 1: he becomes through his play a force in the game,

476
00:27:37,400 --> 00:27:41,919
Speaker 1: but like, I mean, you know it, he never was

477
00:27:42,160 --> 00:27:45,800
Speaker 1: one of the blue like effective golf blue bloods like

478
00:27:45,840 --> 00:27:50,000
Speaker 1: you think about. He was never the Speeth or Justin Thomas,

479
00:27:51,200 --> 00:27:54,080
Speaker 1: you know in terms of like the fanfare and accolades

480
00:27:54,160 --> 00:27:58,800
Speaker 1: and everything, and didn't get the exemptions, and it created

481
00:27:58,840 --> 00:28:02,720
Speaker 1: this other path. But then that continues with like when

482
00:28:02,760 --> 00:28:07,080
Speaker 1: he is talking about these these beat like these slights.

483
00:28:07,440 --> 00:28:10,200
Speaker 1: You know, it like became a fabric of who he

484
00:28:10,280 --> 00:28:12,760
Speaker 1: was as a competitor or who he is as a competitor.

485
00:28:13,080 --> 00:28:14,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, and that that was the That was like a

486
00:28:14,880 --> 00:28:17,639
Speaker 2: golden age of college golf too. I mean, right in

487
00:28:17,720 --> 00:28:20,840
Speaker 2: that kind of three year period between like twenty eleven

488
00:28:20,880 --> 00:28:24,679
Speaker 2: and twenty thirteen, you had Patrick Cantley turning pro, you

489
00:28:24,800 --> 00:28:28,080
Speaker 2: had speech turning pro, you had Justin Thomas turning pro.

490
00:28:28,480 --> 00:28:31,040
Speaker 2: I mean obviously Kopka. So I mean it was just

491
00:28:31,080 --> 00:28:35,120
Speaker 2: all these Thomas Peters. I mean, we can't forget Thomas Peters,

492
00:28:35,200 --> 00:28:38,480
Speaker 2: the NC doublea individual champion that year at riv.

493
00:28:38,760 --> 00:28:39,840
Speaker 1: Where did he go to school?

494
00:28:41,080 --> 00:28:45,000
Speaker 2: He went to Illinois? Yeah, oh there, Hey, Illinois is

495
00:28:45,040 --> 00:28:48,000
Speaker 2: really good at making match play. I'll give you that.

496
00:28:49,560 --> 00:28:53,280
Speaker 2: But yeah, no, that that challenge to our like excursion.

497
00:28:53,520 --> 00:28:56,160
Speaker 2: I think it was maybe late last year that video

498
00:28:56,200 --> 00:28:58,880
Speaker 2: of Brooks riding around in that little car in India,

499
00:28:59,240 --> 00:29:01,360
Speaker 2: like while he was on the Challenge Store and he's

500
00:29:01,400 --> 00:29:04,600
Speaker 2: doing like a vlog and he's just loving it. It's

501
00:29:04,640 --> 00:29:08,160
Speaker 2: so weird because I feel like Brooks loves the team

502
00:29:08,240 --> 00:29:10,800
Speaker 2: aspect and like he'll tell you that, but then there's

503
00:29:10,840 --> 00:29:12,880
Speaker 2: times where he'd also say, like I don't want to

504
00:29:12,920 --> 00:29:14,800
Speaker 2: be friends with any of these guys, like I don't

505
00:29:14,800 --> 00:29:17,400
Speaker 2: have any of their phone numbers saved. And so I've

506
00:29:17,440 --> 00:29:20,680
Speaker 2: always kind of treaded lightly with kind of what comes

507
00:29:20,680 --> 00:29:23,240
Speaker 2: out of Brooks's mouth, just because I think sometimes he

508
00:29:23,320 --> 00:29:26,520
Speaker 2: tries to say things, you know, to kind of trick

509
00:29:26,600 --> 00:29:30,360
Speaker 2: his mind into believing something, and maybe sometimes he contradicts himself.

510
00:29:30,400 --> 00:29:33,240
Speaker 2: But but yeah, I think deep down, Brooks has always

511
00:29:33,360 --> 00:29:37,600
Speaker 2: kind of liked, maybe not so much the team aspect

512
00:29:37,640 --> 00:29:40,120
Speaker 2: of the Challenge Tour, but I think he's always liked

513
00:29:40,200 --> 00:29:43,400
Speaker 2: this kind of self torture that that's sort of like

514
00:29:43,520 --> 00:29:48,120
Speaker 2: running the stadiums in college, or you know, cramming, you know,

515
00:29:48,200 --> 00:29:51,800
Speaker 2: four guys in a car riding around Kazakhstan and you know,

516
00:29:51,840 --> 00:29:54,160
Speaker 2: sleeping in his car and things like that. I think

517
00:29:54,200 --> 00:29:56,680
Speaker 2: he enjoys that. I think he enjoys it being tough,

518
00:29:56,680 --> 00:30:00,000
Speaker 2: and he enjoys the grind and it's kind of almost

519
00:30:00,120 --> 00:30:03,760
Speaker 2: Navy Seal type where you kind of performed the best

520
00:30:04,040 --> 00:30:06,080
Speaker 2: when you're in pain, and you know, in these high

521
00:30:06,120 --> 00:30:08,320
Speaker 2: pressure situations, and it's.

522
00:30:08,200 --> 00:30:12,240
Speaker 1: I think it's also something like I you know, he

523
00:30:12,320 --> 00:30:16,400
Speaker 1: obviously he's made many comments through the years about how

524
00:30:16,440 --> 00:30:19,360
Speaker 1: golf is in real sport, and you know, he wanted

525
00:30:19,400 --> 00:30:22,440
Speaker 1: to be a baseball player and stuff, and I imagine

526
00:30:22,480 --> 00:30:25,960
Speaker 1: that when he was playing the Challenge Tour, there was

527
00:30:26,040 --> 00:30:29,360
Speaker 1: an aspect of it that probably in his mind made

528
00:30:29,440 --> 00:30:32,720
Speaker 1: it feel like minor league baseball, you know, and the

529
00:30:32,800 --> 00:30:36,640
Speaker 1: things that minor league baseball players go through to you know,

530
00:30:36,920 --> 00:30:39,840
Speaker 1: to get to the to the you know, to the

531
00:30:39,840 --> 00:30:40,400
Speaker 1: big leagues.

532
00:30:41,720 --> 00:30:43,840
Speaker 2: His first win on the Challenge Tour was fifty four

533
00:30:43,880 --> 00:30:49,320
Speaker 2: holes too, so everything kind of comes back around again. Hey,

534
00:30:49,520 --> 00:30:53,840
Speaker 2: he beat your guy up the van and one of

535
00:30:53,880 --> 00:30:55,080
Speaker 2: those Challenge story events.

536
00:30:55,160 --> 00:30:58,720
Speaker 1: I mean, it depends on what you say you beat.

537
00:30:58,880 --> 00:31:02,600
Speaker 1: He won that event, but he finished third on the

538
00:31:02,680 --> 00:31:05,280
Speaker 1: Order of Merit that year, and you know, finished number

539
00:31:05,320 --> 00:31:10,480
Speaker 1: one is Pavan, so you know who really won. So

540
00:31:10,560 --> 00:31:12,840
Speaker 1: he goes to the Challenge Tour, he wins his first

541
00:31:12,920 --> 00:31:14,960
Speaker 1: year on Challenge Tour, he didn't get like in the

542
00:31:15,000 --> 00:31:17,120
Speaker 1: Chilge Tour, you have to finish in the top five.

543
00:31:17,480 --> 00:31:19,240
Speaker 1: I mean, for people that don't know what the Challenge

544
00:31:19,280 --> 00:31:22,360
Speaker 1: Tour is, it is it is like the It's the

545
00:31:22,400 --> 00:31:26,240
Speaker 1: European Tours version of the corn Faery Tour, which is

546
00:31:26,640 --> 00:31:31,960
Speaker 1: it's like a way more thrifty corn ferry Tour, way

547
00:31:32,040 --> 00:31:36,000
Speaker 1: less money and way more obscure venues. I mean you're

548
00:31:36,480 --> 00:31:41,280
Speaker 1: you're traveled. Yeah, you're going all over the world and

549
00:31:41,760 --> 00:31:45,840
Speaker 1: like to really random places such as Kazakhstown.

550
00:31:46,120 --> 00:31:46,320
Speaker 2: Right.

551
00:31:47,720 --> 00:31:50,760
Speaker 1: So, anyways, he wins in his first year, and then

552
00:31:50,800 --> 00:31:53,840
Speaker 1: the next year he won three times on the Challenge Tour,

553
00:31:54,200 --> 00:31:57,719
Speaker 1: which got him a third place spot on the Order Merit,

554
00:31:58,040 --> 00:32:01,360
Speaker 1: which then earned his European Tour card. So year is

555
00:32:01,400 --> 00:32:06,200
Speaker 1: twenty fourteen, and he's a European Tour player at this point,

556
00:32:06,400 --> 00:32:10,080
Speaker 1: so kind of just give everybody an idea of where

557
00:32:10,080 --> 00:32:14,080
Speaker 1: we're at on the Kopka, you know train. So twenty fourteen,

558
00:32:14,160 --> 00:32:17,120
Speaker 1: he's got his European Tour card, He's played in a

559
00:32:17,120 --> 00:32:20,120
Speaker 1: couple of majors, and this is where the big kind

560
00:32:20,160 --> 00:32:23,800
Speaker 1: of breakout comes at the US Open, where he finishes fourth.

561
00:32:24,320 --> 00:32:27,680
Speaker 1: He goes on later in the year to win on

562
00:32:27,720 --> 00:32:31,240
Speaker 1: the on the European Tour. He won late in the season,

563
00:32:31,760 --> 00:32:37,560
Speaker 1: which you know catapulted him up into where he got

564
00:32:37,680 --> 00:32:41,280
Speaker 1: I think he got his PGA Tour card through World

565
00:32:41,360 --> 00:32:43,360
Speaker 1: ranking correct, Well.

566
00:32:43,240 --> 00:32:47,640
Speaker 2: No, so, so he got it through his PGA Tour card. Yeah,

567
00:32:48,160 --> 00:32:51,320
Speaker 2: he actually got it through like the not the special

568
00:32:51,320 --> 00:32:54,080
Speaker 2: temporary but like with through non member points. And I

569
00:32:54,080 --> 00:32:56,880
Speaker 2: think it was at Pinehurst that he actually locked up

570
00:32:56,920 --> 00:32:59,440
Speaker 2: his card when he was t four there in twenty fourteen.

571
00:33:00,120 --> 00:33:02,520
Speaker 2: You mentioned how that was kind of his breakound Andy,

572
00:33:02,920 --> 00:33:08,000
Speaker 2: there was one golf legend who that was not the

573
00:33:08,040 --> 00:33:10,960
Speaker 2: moment where he realized too brooks Keptka won because there's

574
00:33:11,000 --> 00:33:13,840
Speaker 2: a moment at Valhalla at the PGA later that year

575
00:33:14,480 --> 00:33:18,960
Speaker 2: where Tom Watson is he's looking for Harris English for

576
00:33:19,040 --> 00:33:22,080
Speaker 2: something and he comes across brooks Kepka's group and Kepka

577
00:33:22,160 --> 00:33:25,080
Speaker 2: hits a drive and he's walking down the fairway and

578
00:33:25,160 --> 00:33:27,560
Speaker 2: Tom Watson is talking to him and he says, what

579
00:33:28,160 --> 00:33:31,200
Speaker 2: club are you ahead? Pro at So he mistook brooks

580
00:33:31,280 --> 00:33:35,920
Speaker 2: Kopka for aal at the twenty fourteen PGA. It just

581
00:33:36,040 --> 00:33:36,960
Speaker 2: it never ends with.

582
00:33:36,960 --> 00:33:40,239
Speaker 3: Them Hey, can we go a little on that, Like,

583
00:33:40,680 --> 00:33:43,680
Speaker 3: as we're talking about the slights, I do feel like

584
00:33:43,720 --> 00:33:47,520
Speaker 3: that's a massive part of brooks Kepka's journey and just

585
00:33:47,560 --> 00:33:49,920
Speaker 3: looking through like it wasn't on the Walker Cup, right,

586
00:33:50,000 --> 00:33:56,320
Speaker 3: Brentley revisiting the twenty fifteen President's Cup when you go

587
00:33:56,480 --> 00:33:59,120
Speaker 3: back and look at him not being a Captain's pick

588
00:33:59,160 --> 00:34:02,760
Speaker 3: and them going with Bill Haas and JB. Holmes instead,

589
00:34:02,880 --> 00:34:07,280
Speaker 3: despite Brooks won that year in Phoenix, as I believe

590
00:34:07,280 --> 00:34:10,000
Speaker 3: both JB. Holmes and Bill Haas also won that year,

591
00:34:10,000 --> 00:34:14,799
Speaker 3: but Brooks's results in majors put theirs to shame in

592
00:34:14,880 --> 00:34:18,040
Speaker 3: twenty fifteen. In twenty fifteen, Brooks made the cut in

593
00:34:18,080 --> 00:34:22,080
Speaker 3: all four majors, finished tenth at the Open, fifth at

594
00:34:22,080 --> 00:34:25,880
Speaker 3: the PGA, eighteenth at the US Opened, thirty third at

595
00:34:25,880 --> 00:34:27,640
Speaker 3: the Masters. Like he made the cut in all four,

596
00:34:27,719 --> 00:34:29,759
Speaker 3: he's playing very well, has a win, and doesn't get

597
00:34:29,760 --> 00:34:32,480
Speaker 3: picked for the President's Cup team. When you just pile

598
00:34:32,600 --> 00:34:37,040
Speaker 3: that on him being his name being mispronounced at the

599
00:34:37,480 --> 00:34:40,320
Speaker 3: US Open at Aaron Hills, I believe in his winning.

600
00:34:41,280 --> 00:34:45,239
Speaker 3: Maybe it's during the trophy ceremony, not being listed as

601
00:34:45,280 --> 00:34:49,600
Speaker 3: a notable as Brentley already has alluded to, and I

602
00:34:49,640 --> 00:34:52,800
Speaker 3: believe that was maybe the twenty eighteen US opened, despite

603
00:34:52,880 --> 00:34:55,359
Speaker 3: being the defending champion. I think golf channels showed the

604
00:34:55,360 --> 00:34:58,480
Speaker 3: notables during the first round and Brooks was not mentioned,

605
00:34:58,480 --> 00:35:02,080
Speaker 3: and he might have even tweeted about that, like the

606
00:35:02,080 --> 00:35:04,839
Speaker 3: Boys Club, and Brook's not really feeling a part of it,

607
00:35:04,880 --> 00:35:07,560
Speaker 3: always being slighted, like it's not all a figment of

608
00:35:07,600 --> 00:35:10,319
Speaker 3: his imagination. It feels like there are a lot of

609
00:35:10,400 --> 00:35:13,920
Speaker 3: slights along his journey, which probably informs the person he is.

610
00:35:14,200 --> 00:35:15,880
Speaker 3: I don't know if that's necessarily why he went to

611
00:35:15,920 --> 00:35:18,120
Speaker 3: live There's there's a lot of reasons for that, but

612
00:35:18,600 --> 00:35:20,800
Speaker 3: it is kind of interesting to think about him always

613
00:35:20,840 --> 00:35:23,560
Speaker 3: being overlooked, maybe never taken quite as seriously as some

614
00:35:23,600 --> 00:35:24,240
Speaker 3: of his peers.

615
00:35:24,920 --> 00:35:29,239
Speaker 2: Well remember Brandle. The Brandle stuff when when Brandal was

616
00:35:29,280 --> 00:35:33,960
Speaker 2: doing the podcast with HYMI man, that was a great podcast.

617
00:35:33,960 --> 00:35:35,919
Speaker 2: I wish that was still going on, But he said

618
00:35:35,960 --> 00:35:39,200
Speaker 2: something like himI asked him, and this was after Tiger

619
00:35:39,400 --> 00:35:41,920
Speaker 2: won the twenty nineteen Masters, and he said something like,

620
00:35:42,920 --> 00:35:47,160
Speaker 2: when Tiger plays Brandle and he's healthy, like, is he

621
00:35:47,239 --> 00:35:50,440
Speaker 2: the best player still? And Brandal said yes, basically in

622
00:35:50,520 --> 00:35:52,960
Speaker 2: a roundabout way, and then and then he said the

623
00:35:52,960 --> 00:35:55,839
Speaker 2: only two players who can come close to him are

624
00:35:55,920 --> 00:35:58,680
Speaker 2: DJ and Rory, and then he mentioned Ram and then

625
00:35:58,680 --> 00:36:01,320
Speaker 2: he mentioned Speed. He didn't even Kopka, and that was

626
00:36:01,360 --> 00:36:06,319
Speaker 2: when Keopka tweeted the brandle with the clown nose. And

627
00:36:06,360 --> 00:36:08,759
Speaker 2: then that's same because that was right around that was

628
00:36:08,760 --> 00:36:14,320
Speaker 2: in May, right before Beth Page and that same championship.

629
00:36:14,680 --> 00:36:17,799
Speaker 2: The pre tournament presser. Brooks's I remember it was right

630
00:36:17,840 --> 00:36:21,880
Speaker 2: after Tigers, and Tigers is jam packed. It's you know,

631
00:36:22,160 --> 00:36:25,160
Speaker 2: it's standing room only, and as soon as Tiger's done,

632
00:36:25,960 --> 00:36:28,520
Speaker 2: Brooks is walking in. In the media, it's just a

633
00:36:28,600 --> 00:36:31,720
Speaker 2: mass exodus. And you know, some people stayed, but Brooks

634
00:36:31,719 --> 00:36:34,960
Speaker 2: definitely noticed half the room just getting up and leaving

635
00:36:35,000 --> 00:36:38,279
Speaker 2: once Tiger was done speaking. And Brooks's I mean, Brooks is,

636
00:36:38,960 --> 00:36:42,399
Speaker 2: you know, the defending champion and already a three time

637
00:36:42,440 --> 00:36:45,400
Speaker 2: major winner at the time, So I mean, it's just

638
00:36:45,440 --> 00:36:48,520
Speaker 2: it's crazy. And I feel like I feel like I

639
00:36:48,560 --> 00:36:51,560
Speaker 2: sided with Brooks on this too, because I feel like,

640
00:36:52,360 --> 00:36:56,680
Speaker 2: you know, maybe you know, us as journalists kind of

641
00:36:57,120 --> 00:37:00,440
Speaker 2: were off put by the by the kacky, by the

642
00:37:00,480 --> 00:37:02,919
Speaker 2: attitude and maybe didn't give him quite the do that

643
00:37:02,960 --> 00:37:03,800
Speaker 2: he may have deserved.

644
00:37:04,840 --> 00:37:09,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, I can get. I get both sides. And I

645
00:37:09,280 --> 00:37:13,800
Speaker 1: think like one of the things is like great competitors.

646
00:37:13,880 --> 00:37:19,920
Speaker 1: I you watch the last dance and he get it.

647
00:37:20,120 --> 00:37:22,839
Speaker 1: You watch some of the things that Michael Jordan used

648
00:37:22,840 --> 00:37:25,399
Speaker 1: to do to get up for the random Tuesday night,

649
00:37:25,880 --> 00:37:31,719
Speaker 1: you know, Wizards game and or bullets then game, and

650
00:37:31,880 --> 00:37:34,360
Speaker 1: it's like, this is what crazy competitors do. And I

651
00:37:34,400 --> 00:37:40,480
Speaker 1: think like Brooks absolutely used all this fuel for the

652
00:37:40,480 --> 00:37:43,520
Speaker 1: betterment of his golf game, right, Like he is someone

653
00:37:43,560 --> 00:37:46,680
Speaker 1: that like that it helps provide an edge. I think

654
00:37:46,719 --> 00:37:50,319
Speaker 1: like it shows when he doesn't have an edge, he

655
00:37:50,360 --> 00:37:54,480
Speaker 1: doesn't really perform. And that's the explanation I think on

656
00:37:54,520 --> 00:37:58,439
Speaker 1: the PGA Tour stuff is that the majors provided that

657
00:37:58,640 --> 00:38:05,960
Speaker 1: heightened important and pressure that he kind of needs to

658
00:38:06,880 --> 00:38:09,200
Speaker 1: play his best level of golf.

659
00:38:09,880 --> 00:38:12,200
Speaker 3: What was it that he said before the final round

660
00:38:12,200 --> 00:38:15,880
Speaker 3: at Harding Park. Didn't he say something like all these guys,

661
00:38:15,960 --> 00:38:18,360
Speaker 3: like none of them have win won a major, DJ

662
00:38:18,520 --> 00:38:20,400
Speaker 3: only has one. I don't even know a lot of

663
00:38:20,440 --> 00:38:20,959
Speaker 3: the other guys.

664
00:38:21,480 --> 00:38:23,640
Speaker 2: He basically called a shot on the eve of the

665
00:38:23,640 --> 00:38:26,160
Speaker 2: final round, right, and said that he was going to win.

666
00:38:26,080 --> 00:38:29,279
Speaker 3: Basically just feels like to your point, Andy, like he

667
00:38:29,320 --> 00:38:32,680
Speaker 3: has always tried to find those ways to motivate himself,

668
00:38:32,680 --> 00:38:35,120
Speaker 3: whether he's making them up or not, and probably often not,

669
00:38:35,320 --> 00:38:37,080
Speaker 3: like he was just straight up overlooked in a lot

670
00:38:37,080 --> 00:38:38,080
Speaker 3: of situations.

671
00:38:39,040 --> 00:38:42,879
Speaker 1: So the story of Brooks is obviously majors, and as

672
00:38:42,920 --> 00:38:45,880
Speaker 1: you alluded to, twenty fifteen's when it starts to percolate.

673
00:38:46,239 --> 00:38:49,800
Speaker 1: This is where things are starting to happen in majors

674
00:38:49,840 --> 00:38:53,120
Speaker 1: with Brooks. He goes thirty third at the Masters, first

675
00:38:53,160 --> 00:38:56,240
Speaker 1: Masters he ever played in eighteenth of the US Opened.

676
00:38:56,239 --> 00:38:58,919
Speaker 1: This was after last year's T four. Then he goes

677
00:38:58,960 --> 00:39:02,439
Speaker 1: T ten, T five. The next year he plays three

678
00:39:02,440 --> 00:39:05,320
Speaker 1: out of the four. He goes T twenty one, T thirteen,

679
00:39:05,880 --> 00:39:10,000
Speaker 1: misses the Open and plays the PGA, finishes fourth there,

680
00:39:10,880 --> 00:39:13,400
Speaker 1: and then it gets us to twenty seventeen. He finishes

681
00:39:13,440 --> 00:39:18,600
Speaker 1: eleventh in the Masters. He wins the US Open. So

682
00:39:18,640 --> 00:39:21,360
Speaker 1: he wins the twenty seventeen US Open. That's his first

683
00:39:21,440 --> 00:39:26,279
Speaker 1: US Open. That is at Aaron Hills. You know, I

684
00:39:26,320 --> 00:39:29,320
Speaker 1: honestly think like people didn't count this as a major

685
00:39:29,360 --> 00:39:32,360
Speaker 1: because of the scoring at Aaron Hills. There was like, again,

686
00:39:32,400 --> 00:39:37,160
Speaker 1: he wins a major and people. I think there are

687
00:39:37,160 --> 00:39:39,839
Speaker 1: people that were upset that JT didn't win, you know

688
00:39:40,239 --> 00:39:43,680
Speaker 1: that about how the golf course set up, But it's

689
00:39:43,960 --> 00:39:47,920
Speaker 1: it's kind of treated like it wasn't a major, Like

690
00:39:47,960 --> 00:39:50,080
Speaker 1: there are people all of this shouldn't count because it

691
00:39:50,160 --> 00:39:52,799
Speaker 1: was Aaron Hills and so on and so forth, and

692
00:39:52,880 --> 00:39:55,120
Speaker 1: I kind of think this is just like another thing

693
00:39:55,200 --> 00:39:59,120
Speaker 1: that Brooks can turn into us, Like I love this Major.

694
00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:02,120
Speaker 1: I joined it too. When I look back, I really

695
00:40:02,200 --> 00:40:02,640
Speaker 1: loved it.

696
00:40:03,040 --> 00:40:06,359
Speaker 3: If you go back and watch it, how his ball

697
00:40:06,360 --> 00:40:10,880
Speaker 3: striking is absolutely insane. He missed like ten greens the

698
00:40:11,320 --> 00:40:15,400
Speaker 3: entire tournament and only made like he didn't make a

699
00:40:15,400 --> 00:40:17,800
Speaker 3: double bogie and he and he only made one bogie

700
00:40:17,840 --> 00:40:19,680
Speaker 3: on the back nine the entire week.

701
00:40:19,719 --> 00:40:21,840
Speaker 2: It was just insane. It's a stripe show.

702
00:40:22,840 --> 00:40:25,520
Speaker 1: He was so good. And it's like I think, like

703
00:40:25,600 --> 00:40:28,760
Speaker 1: the discourse got so bad that week with the width

704
00:40:29,280 --> 00:40:33,440
Speaker 1: of Aaron Hills, because I think, honestly, why the discourse

705
00:40:33,480 --> 00:40:37,759
Speaker 1: went so south on the weekend was that people didn't

706
00:40:37,760 --> 00:40:40,400
Speaker 1: want Brooks Kopka to win, and they wanted something from

707
00:40:40,440 --> 00:40:43,200
Speaker 1: the golf course to stand in the way of him winning.

708
00:40:43,480 --> 00:40:45,520
Speaker 1: But the reality is probably is if you made it

709
00:40:45,560 --> 00:40:48,120
Speaker 1: a narrow golf course, he would have won by even more.

710
00:40:49,040 --> 00:40:50,839
Speaker 2: Yeah, that that was a really cool mat. I mean,

711
00:40:50,880 --> 00:40:53,719
Speaker 2: Scotty was the low am that week, Brian, and that

712
00:40:54,080 --> 00:40:57,600
Speaker 2: was that was Xanders Xander's kind of coming out party.

713
00:40:57,640 --> 00:41:00,440
Speaker 2: Two in majors.

714
00:41:00,920 --> 00:41:03,520
Speaker 3: JT got a nuclear on Saturday, right, And I think

715
00:41:03,560 --> 00:41:05,480
Speaker 3: that's to your point Andy, people wanted him to.

716
00:41:05,440 --> 00:41:07,479
Speaker 1: Win HYDECKI was right there too.

717
00:41:08,040 --> 00:41:11,320
Speaker 2: That might have been big Stews first US Open too.

718
00:41:12,520 --> 00:41:15,120
Speaker 1: That's yeah. I mean well, and at that time, it's

719
00:41:15,120 --> 00:41:19,200
Speaker 1: also important to think I was I walked a practice

720
00:41:19,239 --> 00:41:23,400
Speaker 1: round with Jordan Speith and at this time Jordan Speith

721
00:41:23,480 --> 00:41:25,759
Speaker 1: and Cameron McCormick were talking about how to get to

722
00:41:25,800 --> 00:41:31,080
Speaker 1: eighteen Majors, like what had to happen, and you just

723
00:41:31,120 --> 00:41:35,080
Speaker 1: think about like the sliding doors the moment, like I

724
00:41:35,120 --> 00:41:40,240
Speaker 1: don't think they knew that the the major championship player

725
00:41:40,640 --> 00:41:44,719
Speaker 1: from that era was going to play the event, and

726
00:41:45,000 --> 00:41:46,680
Speaker 1: it wasn't them, you know.

727
00:41:47,680 --> 00:41:50,759
Speaker 2: Yeah, And that that was interesting because Brooks came into

728
00:41:50,760 --> 00:41:54,319
Speaker 2: that that major not playing that well. You think he

729
00:41:54,360 --> 00:41:57,440
Speaker 2: was like T thirty seven in Memphis the week before,

730
00:41:57,480 --> 00:41:59,960
Speaker 2: he had missed forrest six cuts to start that year

731
00:42:01,880 --> 00:42:04,000
Speaker 2: had been like outside the top thirty for a month

732
00:42:04,040 --> 00:42:08,240
Speaker 2: at that time, and there's like a really famous story

733
00:42:08,280 --> 00:42:11,560
Speaker 2: about him and Pete Cowen that week and basically Pete

734
00:42:11,600 --> 00:42:14,160
Speaker 2: Cowen just lit into him, and it kind of even

735
00:42:14,200 --> 00:42:17,319
Speaker 2: goes back to college golf, like I feel like Brooks's dad,

736
00:42:17,400 --> 00:42:21,640
Speaker 2: Bob basically gave the keys to like Brooks's coaches, like

737
00:42:21,680 --> 00:42:23,880
Speaker 2: whoever was coaching. I mean, I think it continued to

738
00:42:23,920 --> 00:42:27,440
Speaker 2: the pros. You basically had to almost physically beat Brooks

739
00:42:27,520 --> 00:42:31,760
Speaker 2: Kepka up to get him to listen. And I think

740
00:42:31,920 --> 00:42:34,160
Speaker 2: this is like a really famous story with Pete Cowen

741
00:42:34,200 --> 00:42:37,399
Speaker 2: that week. He just ripped into him and Brooks ended

742
00:42:37,480 --> 00:42:40,000
Speaker 2: up signing a flag for him afterwards and said thanks

743
00:42:40,040 --> 00:42:42,960
Speaker 2: for getting on my ass or something like that. And

744
00:42:43,760 --> 00:42:46,960
Speaker 2: there's been I think some moments where Brooks has kind

745
00:42:46,960 --> 00:42:49,440
Speaker 2: of asked Pete to do the same thing, and I

746
00:42:49,480 --> 00:42:52,120
Speaker 2: think after this year's Masters was another moment like that.

747
00:42:52,239 --> 00:42:56,040
Speaker 2: But yeah, going back and kind of researching this, that

748
00:42:56,160 --> 00:42:58,960
Speaker 2: was something that came up was this this moment with

749
00:42:58,960 --> 00:43:01,200
Speaker 2: Pete where he basically just said you need to have

750
00:43:01,239 --> 00:43:03,600
Speaker 2: an attitude of a champion and stop being like a

751
00:43:03,640 --> 00:43:07,319
Speaker 2: petulant child, and he did.

752
00:43:08,000 --> 00:43:11,560
Speaker 3: I'll just say, I mean talk about the major championship performances,

753
00:43:11,600 --> 00:43:14,120
Speaker 3: and there are a bunch of have some stats pulled

754
00:43:14,160 --> 00:43:17,040
Speaker 3: on that. I think what was enlightening and going through

755
00:43:17,080 --> 00:43:20,319
Speaker 3: this deep dive on Kopka is how many majors he

756
00:43:20,360 --> 00:43:23,520
Speaker 3: almost won. And I think it's easy to overlook that

757
00:43:23,640 --> 00:43:26,840
Speaker 3: sometimes and correct me if I'm missing one. But he

758
00:43:26,920 --> 00:43:30,439
Speaker 3: almost won at Pebble twenty nineteen, almost won the twenty

759
00:43:30,520 --> 00:43:33,919
Speaker 3: nineteen Masters. He's in the mix with Tiger, almost wins

760
00:43:33,960 --> 00:43:37,640
Speaker 3: a Harding Park right that. We just referenced that quote

761
00:43:37,640 --> 00:43:41,680
Speaker 3: from the night before almost wins Kiowa with Phil, where

762
00:43:41,800 --> 00:43:45,240
Speaker 3: Phil Slow plays him almost won the twenty twenty three Masters.

763
00:43:45,239 --> 00:43:46,839
Speaker 3: It looked like he was going to win the twenty

764
00:43:46,840 --> 00:43:48,799
Speaker 3: twenty three Masters before he kind of starts to fall

765
00:43:48,840 --> 00:43:52,480
Speaker 3: apart and rom overtakes him. But that's five more right there.

766
00:43:52,560 --> 00:43:55,120
Speaker 3: That he won five, and he could still win a

767
00:43:55,160 --> 00:43:55,640
Speaker 3: couple more.

768
00:43:55,680 --> 00:43:56,280
Speaker 2: We could.

769
00:43:56,600 --> 00:43:58,200
Speaker 3: I'm not going to say that all five of those

770
00:43:58,239 --> 00:44:00,200
Speaker 3: could have gone his way, but he easily could be

771
00:44:00,200 --> 00:44:01,719
Speaker 3: standing here with seven right now.

772
00:44:01,800 --> 00:44:04,319
Speaker 2: He said that too, Like he said, I think the

773
00:44:04,400 --> 00:44:08,160
Speaker 2: quote was I should have eight majors.

774
00:44:08,239 --> 00:44:11,040
Speaker 1: I The other thing about it is like it's so

775
00:44:11,239 --> 00:44:15,120
Speaker 1: different than like a Faldo who won six and it's

776
00:44:15,200 --> 00:44:18,160
Speaker 1: like wait, like he won basically every time he had

777
00:44:18,200 --> 00:44:20,799
Speaker 1: a chance to win, he won, you know.

778
00:44:21,880 --> 00:44:25,280
Speaker 2: And I think that Brooks Brooks has this crazy conversion

779
00:44:25,360 --> 00:44:27,680
Speaker 2: rate too. I think Brooks has converted like four or

780
00:44:27,680 --> 00:44:31,799
Speaker 2: five fifty four hole leads as well, the only one

781
00:44:31,840 --> 00:44:33,880
Speaker 2: not being maybe Tiger.

782
00:44:35,000 --> 00:44:37,799
Speaker 3: One stat I found really interesting that just speaks to

783
00:44:37,840 --> 00:44:41,360
Speaker 3: how often Brooks has been in the mix. He puts

784
00:44:41,360 --> 00:44:45,480
Speaker 3: together a bunch of top fives essentially over an eight

785
00:44:45,600 --> 00:44:51,160
Speaker 3: year period, right, twenty seventeen to twenty twenty three or

786
00:44:51,200 --> 00:44:57,800
Speaker 3: twenty yeah, twenty's I think twenty fifteen to twenty twenty

787
00:44:57,840 --> 00:44:59,319
Speaker 3: three is like really when he does a lot of

788
00:44:59,320 --> 00:45:02,640
Speaker 3: his damage. The stat I wanted to poll is like,

789
00:45:02,640 --> 00:45:05,080
Speaker 3: who has put together the most top fives in an

790
00:45:05,080 --> 00:45:07,040
Speaker 3: eight year period in the twenty first century?

791
00:45:07,239 --> 00:45:07,399
Speaker 2: Right?

792
00:45:07,440 --> 00:45:10,920
Speaker 3: So I think Brooks here that his max is like

793
00:45:10,960 --> 00:45:13,759
Speaker 3: twenty either twenty fifteen through twenty twenty two. That's that's

794
00:45:13,800 --> 00:45:16,520
Speaker 3: eight years or twenty sixteen to twenty twenty three. I

795
00:45:16,560 --> 00:45:21,359
Speaker 3: can't remember, Tiger. This is major nineteen. Sorry that this

796
00:45:21,440 --> 00:45:24,960
Speaker 3: is Major's only right, Major's only right, most top fives

797
00:45:24,960 --> 00:45:28,400
Speaker 3: in an eight year period. Tiger had nineteen, Ernie Els

798
00:45:28,440 --> 00:45:33,080
Speaker 3: had fourteen, Brooks and Phil both had twelve, and Spif

799
00:45:33,160 --> 00:45:36,799
Speaker 3: had eleven and then it drops off after there. It's

800
00:45:36,840 --> 00:45:40,479
Speaker 3: pretty incredible those names that Brooks is surrounded by. And

801
00:45:40,800 --> 00:45:42,839
Speaker 3: credit to the Spif for being up there too as

802
00:45:42,880 --> 00:45:46,400
Speaker 3: one of the other players who's more of a younger generation.

803
00:45:46,560 --> 00:45:49,720
Speaker 3: But I mean, you're talking about Brooks, Phil, Ernie and Tiger.

804
00:45:51,280 --> 00:45:55,000
Speaker 1: I the major stuff's crazy. It's like and I think

805
00:45:55,040 --> 00:45:57,279
Speaker 1: like the other thing that people like have a hard

806
00:45:57,360 --> 00:46:01,160
Speaker 1: time with Brooks and like the love of Brooks is

807
00:46:01,200 --> 00:46:04,840
Speaker 1: he's just not rolling up and winning at and uh

808
00:46:05,000 --> 00:46:08,600
Speaker 1: you know other non major events, right, Like I think

809
00:46:08,680 --> 00:46:11,720
Speaker 1: there's like we just saw it with Rory winning at Pebble,

810
00:46:12,200 --> 00:46:14,080
Speaker 1: Like how big of a deal it is and how

811
00:46:14,160 --> 00:46:18,239
Speaker 1: much like love, how love love love people have for

812
00:46:18,360 --> 00:46:20,960
Speaker 1: him winning there, and it's like Brooks would just go

813
00:46:21,040 --> 00:46:23,120
Speaker 1: finish like T thirty two for a month.

814
00:46:24,000 --> 00:46:27,960
Speaker 3: Yeah he show he he.

815
00:46:28,520 --> 00:46:30,799
Speaker 2: I think people didn't like the fact that he not

816
00:46:30,880 --> 00:46:33,080
Speaker 2: only did he not care, but he told you that

817
00:46:33,120 --> 00:46:34,719
Speaker 2: he didn't care about him And I think that really

818
00:46:34,800 --> 00:46:37,759
Speaker 2: rubbed people the wrong way because it's like, well, if

819
00:46:37,800 --> 00:46:41,960
Speaker 2: you play on the PGA Tour, bro like like no

820
00:46:42,000 --> 00:46:43,600
Speaker 2: one wants to Like I don't know. I feel like

821
00:46:43,640 --> 00:46:47,120
Speaker 2: he's he's been so negative to the point of maybe

822
00:46:47,280 --> 00:46:50,040
Speaker 2: making an effort to try to be like like Michael

823
00:46:50,080 --> 00:46:54,040
Speaker 2: Jordan or be like one of those guys, and and

824
00:46:54,080 --> 00:46:56,360
Speaker 2: it's just not himself because as we've talked about, like

825
00:46:56,440 --> 00:46:59,520
Speaker 2: Brooks really cares what people think about him, and he

826
00:46:59,600 --> 00:47:04,920
Speaker 2: really cares about his standing in the game, but mentally

827
00:47:05,000 --> 00:47:07,440
Speaker 2: like he wants to be the other guy. And so

828
00:47:07,520 --> 00:47:09,480
Speaker 2: I think he's done a lot of things in his

829
00:47:09,560 --> 00:47:13,520
Speaker 2: career that being one of them, to where he's maybe

830
00:47:13,680 --> 00:47:17,080
Speaker 2: sabotaged himself because he's trying to be someone that he's not.

831
00:47:18,320 --> 00:47:24,759
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know. I think it's all it's been

832
00:47:24,960 --> 00:47:29,080
Speaker 1: like all part of the the aura, right, and I

833
00:47:29,120 --> 00:47:32,920
Speaker 1: think like part of the I think there has to

834
00:47:32,960 --> 00:47:38,080
Speaker 1: be something with the players too, where they have to

835
00:47:38,239 --> 00:47:41,120
Speaker 1: wonder how this guy does it where he just doesn't.

836
00:47:41,440 --> 00:47:45,319
Speaker 1: He shuts off seemingly for most of the year and

837
00:47:45,360 --> 00:47:48,520
Speaker 1: then comes every major comes out and kicks our ass,

838
00:47:48,560 --> 00:47:50,600
Speaker 1: like how's he doing this? You know?

839
00:47:51,520 --> 00:47:54,200
Speaker 2: So I was talking with Luke Clanton last year and

840
00:47:54,239 --> 00:47:57,160
Speaker 2: this was right around the time, he was winning the

841
00:47:57,200 --> 00:48:00,279
Speaker 2: three straight college events in the spring, and he won

842
00:48:00,320 --> 00:48:02,640
Speaker 2: the Vast Bar, which is down at the Floridian where

843
00:48:02,719 --> 00:48:06,840
Speaker 2: Brooks practices, and Brooks spent some time with the team,

844
00:48:07,120 --> 00:48:09,880
Speaker 2: and and that's another thing about Brooks too, is I

845
00:48:09,960 --> 00:48:11,600
Speaker 2: think he did he does a lot of things behind

846
00:48:11,600 --> 00:48:15,040
Speaker 2: the scenes too, Like he he sent the private jet

847
00:48:15,520 --> 00:48:17,959
Speaker 2: for Florida State like his own jet, and had flew

848
00:48:18,000 --> 00:48:19,719
Speaker 2: him down, spent like a day with him. But he

849
00:48:19,800 --> 00:48:23,400
Speaker 2: was practicing with with Luke, and Luke asked him like

850
00:48:23,600 --> 00:48:26,400
Speaker 2: pretty much that thought, Andy, like how does he how

851
00:48:26,440 --> 00:48:29,160
Speaker 2: does he do it? And I think the quote was

852
00:48:30,160 --> 00:48:33,239
Speaker 2: Brooks told Luke he basically just goes brain dead, like

853
00:48:33,320 --> 00:48:35,440
Speaker 2: he tries to play golf brain dead to where he's

854
00:48:35,480 --> 00:48:39,719
Speaker 2: not thinking about anything. And that's what he said, that's

855
00:48:39,840 --> 00:48:40,600
Speaker 2: very hard to do.

856
00:48:40,960 --> 00:48:44,920
Speaker 3: In the Full Swing Netflix documentary, right is the episode

857
00:48:44,920 --> 00:48:48,799
Speaker 3: that profiles Brooks and Scottie, and Brooks says that that

858
00:48:50,040 --> 00:48:52,480
Speaker 3: when Scotty's playing well, he's not thinking about a single thing.

859
00:48:52,520 --> 00:48:54,879
Speaker 3: And Brooks wasn't in that place mentally at the time

860
00:48:54,880 --> 00:48:57,400
Speaker 3: of that interview. So I think that only just reinforces

861
00:48:57,400 --> 00:48:58,720
Speaker 3: that Clinton advice.

862
00:49:00,080 --> 00:49:02,879
Speaker 2: Yeah, there was one tournament one major too. It might

863
00:49:02,920 --> 00:49:07,600
Speaker 2: have been twenty twenty three or twenty nineteen against Tiger,

864
00:49:07,880 --> 00:49:12,560
Speaker 2: where Ricky Elliott talked about Brooks not being able to

865
00:49:11,680 --> 00:49:15,360
Speaker 2: turn off the outside noise, like he could hear everything

866
00:49:15,400 --> 00:49:17,480
Speaker 2: that everyone was saying in the gallery and like it

867
00:49:17,520 --> 00:49:20,480
Speaker 2: really messed with him. It might have been twenty twenty

868
00:49:20,480 --> 00:49:24,400
Speaker 2: three because that was also when Brooks afterwards he wouldn't

869
00:49:24,520 --> 00:49:26,880
Speaker 2: and spent like all night with his buddy when he

870
00:49:26,920 --> 00:49:29,640
Speaker 2: got home, and they went like shot by shot and

871
00:49:29,920 --> 00:49:32,600
Speaker 2: they went through like what was going through his head,

872
00:49:32,640 --> 00:49:35,160
Speaker 2: and he was basically he like diagnosed it and was

873
00:49:35,200 --> 00:49:37,480
Speaker 2: like I just wanted it way too much and I

874
00:49:37,600 --> 00:49:41,839
Speaker 2: kept thinking about like too much stuff. And so yeah,

875
00:49:41,840 --> 00:49:44,480
Speaker 2: I mean I've always like I know, I say, like,

876
00:49:44,800 --> 00:49:46,560
Speaker 2: you know, Brooks kind of talks out both of them

877
00:49:46,920 --> 00:49:48,719
Speaker 2: into his mouth. But he's always been one of my

878
00:49:48,719 --> 00:49:53,120
Speaker 2: favorite players, just because obviously of the major like the

879
00:49:53,200 --> 00:49:56,560
Speaker 2: major record, but I don't know, just like the toughness too,

880
00:49:56,800 --> 00:50:01,279
Speaker 2: and kind of the ability to do things that not

881
00:50:01,360 --> 00:50:02,279
Speaker 2: a lot of guys could do.

882
00:50:03,760 --> 00:50:07,120
Speaker 1: I he's so on his career, He's got eighteen top

883
00:50:07,200 --> 00:50:10,360
Speaker 1: tens and majors and thirty seven starts, roughly like a

884
00:50:10,480 --> 00:50:17,520
Speaker 1: fifty percent top ten percentage at you know, he's got

885
00:50:17,719 --> 00:50:21,319
Speaker 1: twenty or I guess he's in forty two eighteen forty two,

886
00:50:21,480 --> 00:50:25,120
Speaker 1: so he's a little below fifty percent. Twenty five top

887
00:50:25,160 --> 00:50:29,400
Speaker 1: twenty fives in forty two events. Then the top fives

888
00:50:29,520 --> 00:50:34,120
Speaker 1: is so impressive. Fourteen you know, fourteen top top fives

889
00:50:34,120 --> 00:50:37,840
Speaker 1: and forty two events, it's nuts. And then you obviously

890
00:50:37,880 --> 00:50:43,120
Speaker 1: have the five wins. It's I feel like we're having

891
00:50:43,200 --> 00:50:47,840
Speaker 1: this discussion because it feels like kind of another moment.

892
00:50:47,920 --> 00:50:51,520
Speaker 1: I think there's been a few moments of Brooks, you know,

893
00:50:51,560 --> 00:50:54,880
Speaker 1: the injuries, the knee in particular. I think there's a

894
00:50:54,920 --> 00:50:59,320
Speaker 1: moment where he himself, along with the hip, thought it

895
00:50:59,400 --> 00:51:03,680
Speaker 1: might be over, you know, and obviously that he had

896
00:51:03,719 --> 00:51:06,840
Speaker 1: the resurgent twenty three, which you know he saw he

897
00:51:06,880 --> 00:51:10,879
Speaker 1: almost won the Masters. John Rahm ended up winning that one,

898
00:51:11,120 --> 00:51:14,560
Speaker 1: and he wins okill. And I think like a lot

899
00:51:14,600 --> 00:51:18,400
Speaker 1: of people had pretty high expectations of Brooks in twenty

900
00:51:18,440 --> 00:51:22,680
Speaker 1: four and it was met with barely lackluster play. He

901
00:51:22,719 --> 00:51:28,160
Speaker 1: won twice on the Live Tour, whatever that means, and

902
00:51:28,520 --> 00:51:30,799
Speaker 1: in the majors he made the cut at all of them.

903
00:51:31,239 --> 00:51:33,319
Speaker 1: But he wasn't really a factor in any of them,

904
00:51:33,440 --> 00:51:35,879
Speaker 1: which was you know, I think when when we've had

905
00:51:35,960 --> 00:51:39,520
Speaker 1: healthy Brooks Keopka, you you expect him to be there

906
00:51:39,640 --> 00:51:41,719
Speaker 1: late on the weekend, and that just wasn't the case

907
00:51:41,800 --> 00:51:45,000
Speaker 1: this year. So it kind of I think leaves us

908
00:51:45,000 --> 00:51:47,960
Speaker 1: with are we are we on the Are we at

909
00:51:47,960 --> 00:51:50,600
Speaker 1: the end of the kep geyer? Are we on the backside?

910
00:51:50,800 --> 00:51:54,120
Speaker 1: Are Is there a few more years of really high

911
00:51:54,160 --> 00:51:54,760
Speaker 1: level play?

912
00:51:55,760 --> 00:51:59,359
Speaker 2: I think so, And I don't think this past year

913
00:51:59,480 --> 00:52:03,799
Speaker 2: was necessary really as much to do with health in

914
00:52:03,840 --> 00:52:07,480
Speaker 2: the body as you know, maybe you know the injuries

915
00:52:07,520 --> 00:52:11,200
Speaker 2: before that, like like you mentioned the knee cap and

916
00:52:11,960 --> 00:52:14,920
Speaker 2: the knee that also kind of led to the hip injury,

917
00:52:14,960 --> 00:52:18,600
Speaker 2: which we see so often with these guys. They try

918
00:52:18,600 --> 00:52:21,200
Speaker 2: to play hurt and they end up doing something to

919
00:52:21,280 --> 00:52:23,319
Speaker 2: injure another part of their body. But I think the

920
00:52:23,320 --> 00:52:26,359
Speaker 2: big thing last year, which was just the putting. And

921
00:52:26,480 --> 00:52:30,720
Speaker 2: I've always thought amongst the you know, the the elite

922
00:52:30,760 --> 00:52:33,040
Speaker 2: major players in the game the last decade, you know,

923
00:52:33,080 --> 00:52:36,560
Speaker 2: your your Rory's, your Speece, your your DJs, I've always

924
00:52:36,600 --> 00:52:39,319
Speaker 2: thought like Brooks was the best putter out of all

925
00:52:39,360 --> 00:52:41,759
Speaker 2: the guys who could ball strike you to death, Like

926
00:52:41,800 --> 00:52:45,440
Speaker 2: he was also the best putter, and he was as

927
00:52:45,520 --> 00:52:49,719
Speaker 2: high as like fifth strokes game putting back in sixteen seventeen,

928
00:52:50,360 --> 00:52:52,120
Speaker 2: back when he won that first one, And he was

929
00:52:52,160 --> 00:52:56,000
Speaker 2: always kind of around that twenty to forty range on

930
00:52:56,080 --> 00:52:58,879
Speaker 2: tour and even better in the majors, and this year

931
00:52:59,560 --> 00:53:03,680
Speaker 2: clearly uncomfortable on the greens, Like if you extrapolate kind

932
00:53:03,719 --> 00:53:06,440
Speaker 2: of his strokes gained, and you know, and correct me

933
00:53:06,440 --> 00:53:08,399
Speaker 2: if I'm wrong, Joseph too, because you're a lot better

934
00:53:08,440 --> 00:53:11,080
Speaker 2: with the stats than me. But basically, just looking at

935
00:53:11,080 --> 00:53:14,440
Speaker 2: those four majors that he played, he lost something around

936
00:53:14,560 --> 00:53:17,320
Speaker 2: like zero point three four or five strokes on the greens,

937
00:53:17,400 --> 00:53:19,320
Speaker 2: and that would have ranked like one hundred and sixtieth

938
00:53:19,360 --> 00:53:22,040
Speaker 2: on tour last year. And I know that he'd switch

939
00:53:22,120 --> 00:53:25,880
Speaker 2: putters before the US Open, so he was clearly like

940
00:53:25,960 --> 00:53:28,520
Speaker 2: that was the part of his game that really let

941
00:53:28,600 --> 00:53:31,879
Speaker 2: him down. And Tita Green stats like if you would

942
00:53:31,880 --> 00:53:34,440
Speaker 2: have just taken those four major tournaments, he would have

943
00:53:34,480 --> 00:53:38,759
Speaker 2: ranked all behind only Scotty for the year. So like,

944
00:53:38,840 --> 00:53:42,800
Speaker 2: I feel like the putting is might be the I

945
00:53:42,840 --> 00:53:44,920
Speaker 2: don't know. I feel like putting's always kind of the

946
00:53:44,920 --> 00:53:47,600
Speaker 2: easiest thing to get back sometimes, especially if you have

947
00:53:47,760 --> 00:53:48,520
Speaker 2: been a good putter.

948
00:53:49,400 --> 00:53:51,759
Speaker 3: I don't know how you feel, andy, Like I know,

949
00:53:51,800 --> 00:53:55,680
Speaker 3: at moments i've felt like Brooks is probably or towards

950
00:53:56,200 --> 00:53:57,879
Speaker 3: the end, I feel a lot.

951
00:53:58,280 --> 00:53:59,400
Speaker 1: He's thirty four.

952
00:53:59,719 --> 00:54:03,200
Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, important to call that. I feel less that

953
00:54:03,200 --> 00:54:06,440
Speaker 3: way now. I think we just see that the true

954
00:54:06,520 --> 00:54:10,479
Speaker 3: greats can do it at thirty eight, like we've seen

955
00:54:10,680 --> 00:54:14,520
Speaker 3: Justin Rose and Adam Scott and Sergio Garcia play into

956
00:54:14,520 --> 00:54:17,240
Speaker 3: their forties. I don't know that Brooks Kopka is gonna

957
00:54:17,360 --> 00:54:21,080
Speaker 3: have that same longevity, but I think even if it's

958
00:54:21,080 --> 00:54:23,880
Speaker 3: two years from now, like we could see underwhelming results

959
00:54:23,880 --> 00:54:26,240
Speaker 3: in twenty twenty five from Brooks and majors and then

960
00:54:26,719 --> 00:54:29,319
Speaker 3: him get a little healthier and put a couple good

961
00:54:29,360 --> 00:54:32,279
Speaker 3: majors together when he's thirty six thirty seven. Like, it's

962
00:54:32,280 --> 00:54:36,120
Speaker 3: not like he's only been involved in the five majors

963
00:54:36,120 --> 00:54:38,239
Speaker 3: that he's won. Like, as we've already mentioned, he's been

964
00:54:38,239 --> 00:54:40,879
Speaker 3: in the top five so often that I think it'd

965
00:54:40,880 --> 00:54:44,600
Speaker 3: be a little crazy to discount him in general. But

966
00:54:46,000 --> 00:54:48,840
Speaker 3: it's kind of this, there's so much variance, Like he

967
00:54:48,840 --> 00:54:50,840
Speaker 3: could show up and miss the CUD. It'll never surprise me,

968
00:54:50,920 --> 00:54:53,200
Speaker 3: but he also could show up and win. I think

969
00:54:53,239 --> 00:54:54,799
Speaker 3: what I would love to see from Brooks, and I'm

970
00:54:54,800 --> 00:54:56,760
Speaker 3: a little skeptical love is like, could he put together

971
00:54:56,760 --> 00:55:00,560
Speaker 3: another year where he's in the top fifteen and all

972
00:55:00,600 --> 00:55:04,040
Speaker 3: four majors, or like in the top eight and three

973
00:55:04,080 --> 00:55:06,759
Speaker 3: of them, Like, I think that's probably pretty unlikely, but

974
00:55:06,800 --> 00:55:08,840
Speaker 3: I wouldn't be surprised to see him win another one.

975
00:55:08,920 --> 00:55:09,640
Speaker 3: Where are you Andy?

976
00:55:10,800 --> 00:55:15,200
Speaker 1: I think it's tricky now with Brooks because you just

977
00:55:15,239 --> 00:55:19,040
Speaker 1: don't see him very much, right, and he just kind

978
00:55:19,040 --> 00:55:21,560
Speaker 1: of pops up. And I think this has been an issue,

979
00:55:21,560 --> 00:55:24,960
Speaker 1: and obviously it wasn't in twenty twenty three for him

980
00:55:25,239 --> 00:55:29,160
Speaker 1: when he won and finished almost won the Masters. But like,

981
00:55:29,239 --> 00:55:32,480
Speaker 1: I don't necessarily think that lives the best place to

982
00:55:32,760 --> 00:55:36,839
Speaker 1: prepare for majors, right, you had the Eugenio Chichara, Like,

983
00:55:36,880 --> 00:55:39,600
Speaker 1: it's not the best place for young players tour. I

984
00:55:39,640 --> 00:55:42,600
Speaker 1: don't think it's the best place to prepare for majors

985
00:55:42,600 --> 00:55:46,400
Speaker 1: tour either. You know, like you already see these guys

986
00:55:46,400 --> 00:55:49,400
Speaker 1: are starting by playing an event under the lights in

987
00:55:50,480 --> 00:55:53,759
Speaker 1: Saudi Arabia this week, and it's like, look at the

988
00:55:53,800 --> 00:55:58,000
Speaker 1: head start that a guy like Rory has on the

989
00:55:58,080 --> 00:56:01,160
Speaker 1: season as he's played with them playing, you know, and

990
00:56:01,200 --> 00:56:03,120
Speaker 1: I know these guys play some of the like the

991
00:56:03,200 --> 00:56:07,239
Speaker 1: DP World Tour. The consistency of having to play on

992
00:56:07,360 --> 00:56:10,680
Speaker 1: tour was a good thing for him.

993
00:56:11,040 --> 00:56:12,960
Speaker 3: I mean to your point, I also think it gives

994
00:56:13,000 --> 00:56:14,839
Speaker 3: you a little bit of a better idea of where

995
00:56:14,840 --> 00:56:17,520
Speaker 3: you stack up. Yes, I think that's a big part

996
00:56:17,560 --> 00:56:20,759
Speaker 3: of it. Did some of the live guys, frankly are

997
00:56:20,800 --> 00:56:23,600
Speaker 3: just a little delusional about the quality of play on

998
00:56:23,680 --> 00:56:26,040
Speaker 3: their tour and finished tied for ninth and think that

999
00:56:26,040 --> 00:56:27,920
Speaker 3: their game is in a better spot than it is

1000
00:56:28,040 --> 00:56:31,400
Speaker 3: when if you're playing against the stacked field, like Rory

1001
00:56:31,560 --> 00:56:33,319
Speaker 3: just was like, I think it gives you a little

1002
00:56:33,360 --> 00:56:34,800
Speaker 3: bit of a better feel for what you need to

1003
00:56:34,840 --> 00:56:37,399
Speaker 3: work on, even more so than just the golf course

1004
00:56:37,480 --> 00:56:39,280
Speaker 3: argument the courses that you're playing.

1005
00:56:39,800 --> 00:56:43,399
Speaker 2: I think it's maybe a little bit deeper than that.

1006
00:56:43,640 --> 00:56:47,400
Speaker 2: And you know, I think, yeah, I mean, John rom Bryson,

1007
00:56:48,040 --> 00:56:50,840
Speaker 2: I don't know if it's necessarily even the competition. I

1008
00:56:50,880 --> 00:56:53,960
Speaker 2: think it's the biggest thing for me is just the

1009
00:56:54,000 --> 00:56:58,000
Speaker 2: fifty four holes because and also shotguns start and it's

1010
00:56:58,320 --> 00:57:02,160
Speaker 2: so much different actually at a major if you're in

1011
00:57:02,160 --> 00:57:05,080
Speaker 2: the lead or you're in contention in a major, and

1012
00:57:05,120 --> 00:57:08,239
Speaker 2: you don't tee off until three pm on a Sunday afternoon,

1013
00:57:08,880 --> 00:57:12,520
Speaker 2: like the mental like fortitude, you have to have that

1014
00:57:12,719 --> 00:57:15,759
Speaker 2: entire morning from the time you wake up to the

1015
00:57:15,840 --> 00:57:18,680
Speaker 2: time you tee off, and then like you haven't even

1016
00:57:18,680 --> 00:57:21,120
Speaker 2: done the hard part yet. I just feel you can't

1017
00:57:21,160 --> 00:57:25,920
Speaker 2: simulate that on on live like you're not You're not

1018
00:57:25,960 --> 00:57:28,280
Speaker 2: having to watch a guy go out an hour an

1019
00:57:28,320 --> 00:57:29,800
Speaker 2: hour and a half ahead of you and post a

1020
00:57:29,880 --> 00:57:33,160
Speaker 2: number like you don't you basically just tee off and

1021
00:57:33,200 --> 00:57:36,080
Speaker 2: you all meet back at the clubhouse and sign your scorecards.

1022
00:57:36,080 --> 00:57:38,720
Speaker 2: I just think it's just a total different dynamic. And

1023
00:57:38,840 --> 00:57:42,560
Speaker 2: with Brooks specifically, like we just talked about his entire career,

1024
00:57:42,680 --> 00:57:45,880
Speaker 2: like he gets up for the majors and like he

1025
00:57:45,920 --> 00:57:48,560
Speaker 2: doesn't get up for anything else. I'm surprised that that

1026
00:57:48,600 --> 00:57:52,400
Speaker 2: he's won five times on Lift, just because I don't

1027
00:57:52,720 --> 00:57:55,600
Speaker 2: I think that he still thinks the majors are above

1028
00:57:55,640 --> 00:57:58,840
Speaker 2: everything else and that he's kind of just I don't know,

1029
00:57:59,040 --> 00:58:01,360
Speaker 2: I mean, he's just playing golf. I don't know if

1030
00:58:01,400 --> 00:58:03,720
Speaker 2: this really means that much to him, to be honest

1031
00:58:03,720 --> 00:58:06,000
Speaker 2: with you, like these these whip tournaments, so.

1032
00:58:06,120 --> 00:58:08,840
Speaker 1: Hoing five times on living four times on the PGA

1033
00:58:08,920 --> 00:58:10,080
Speaker 1: Tour pretty wild.

1034
00:58:10,920 --> 00:58:13,840
Speaker 2: I mean maybe we're missing something. I mean maybe. I

1035
00:58:13,840 --> 00:58:15,520
Speaker 2: mean I haven't been to a live event, so I

1036
00:58:15,560 --> 00:58:18,400
Speaker 2: can't really judge, but it just doesn't seem I don't

1037
00:58:18,400 --> 00:58:20,720
Speaker 2: know the thing that the only things that concerned me

1038
00:58:20,760 --> 00:58:22,880
Speaker 2: with Brooks as far as longevity and what we're going

1039
00:58:22,960 --> 00:58:24,960
Speaker 2: to see from because I don't think he had a

1040
00:58:24,960 --> 00:58:26,920
Speaker 2: bad Major year. I mean he didn't miss it. He

1041
00:58:26,920 --> 00:58:29,600
Speaker 2: didn't have a terrible Major last year. I think the

1042
00:58:29,680 --> 00:58:32,400
Speaker 2: things with him or health, I mean, the guys had,

1043
00:58:33,240 --> 00:58:36,800
Speaker 2: you know, a severe wrist injury, severe two severe knee injuries,

1044
00:58:36,800 --> 00:58:42,720
Speaker 2: a severe hip injury, you know, so that that stuff

1045
00:58:42,760 --> 00:58:46,720
Speaker 2: doesn't it goes away like maybe specific injuries, but if

1046
00:58:46,760 --> 00:58:49,280
Speaker 2: you're prone to stuff like that, maybe it doesn't. So

1047
00:58:49,360 --> 00:58:51,640
Speaker 2: I think that's a big thing. And then he also

1048
00:58:51,640 --> 00:58:53,920
Speaker 2: doesn't have a swing coach right now, like he has

1049
00:58:53,960 --> 00:58:57,640
Speaker 2: Pete Cowen, who you know, has mainly just been short

1050
00:58:57,680 --> 00:58:59,720
Speaker 2: game kind of slash mental coach for him. He's had

1051
00:59:00,160 --> 00:59:04,120
Speaker 2: Pierce who's been his putting coach forever, who's a really

1052
00:59:04,160 --> 00:59:07,640
Speaker 2: great coach, but he doesn't work with Claude anymore, and

1053
00:59:07,720 --> 00:59:09,880
Speaker 2: so who knows, Like could that be a good thing,

1054
00:59:10,000 --> 00:59:12,800
Speaker 2: taking ownership of his own swing and kind of moving

1055
00:59:12,840 --> 00:59:15,280
Speaker 2: forward like we've seen from some other guys in the past,

1056
00:59:15,400 --> 00:59:16,960
Speaker 2: or you know, like.

1057
00:59:16,920 --> 00:59:22,040
Speaker 1: That's such a mid thirties PGA tour or professional golfer

1058
00:59:22,120 --> 00:59:24,880
Speaker 1: move mid thirties, you take ownership of your swing.

1059
00:59:25,920 --> 00:59:28,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, and who knows. I mean, like I said, maybe

1060
00:59:28,600 --> 00:59:30,760
Speaker 2: that's the best thing for him, but I know I'm

1061
00:59:30,960 --> 00:59:34,760
Speaker 2: pretty optimistic, and who knows, like professional golf could look

1062
00:59:34,760 --> 00:59:36,960
Speaker 2: a lot different in two years to where we see

1063
00:59:36,960 --> 00:59:42,360
Speaker 2: brook Brooks Koepka a lot more. And yeah, he's like

1064
00:59:42,440 --> 00:59:44,640
Speaker 2: you say, he's thirty four. I mean, I'm thirty four.

1065
00:59:44,640 --> 00:59:46,640
Speaker 2: I don't feel that old. I think he still got

1066
00:59:46,640 --> 00:59:49,760
Speaker 2: a good decade of solid major play ahead of him.

1067
00:59:50,520 --> 00:59:54,240
Speaker 1: I wouldn't maybe go decade. I think like we could

1068
00:59:54,280 --> 00:59:57,120
Speaker 1: build in a year or two of injury just with

1069
00:59:57,240 --> 01:00:01,560
Speaker 1: his past I think he to forty. And it's kind

1070
01:00:01,560 --> 01:00:07,480
Speaker 1: of like crapshoot. So you know, in my calculation, in

1071
01:00:07,520 --> 01:00:10,200
Speaker 1: my you know, this is just he's got about sixteen

1072
01:00:10,240 --> 01:00:14,200
Speaker 1: majors left at his current clip. That gets him to

1073
01:00:14,320 --> 01:00:17,440
Speaker 1: seven or eight more or seven or eight for total

1074
01:00:17,880 --> 01:00:21,280
Speaker 1: if he kept the percentage he was at right now,

1075
01:00:22,200 --> 01:00:23,880
Speaker 1: which seems like you're saying.

1076
01:00:23,400 --> 01:00:25,000
Speaker 3: Hold on, you're saying, strap lad, And if you were

1077
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Speaker 3: to win at the same rate as he has in

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Speaker 3: the past over the next sixteen he would get two

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Speaker 3: to three more. You're saying, yeah, it feels like a stretch.

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Speaker 1: But yeah, I mean that's like just like the math, right,

1081
01:00:35,120 --> 01:00:38,000
Speaker 1: you would get like two more. So he gets to seven.

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Speaker 1: I think that's kind of unrealistic, probably, you know. I

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01:00:44,120 --> 01:00:48,320
Speaker 1: I think there's probably one more left in there. If

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01:00:48,400 --> 01:00:50,680
Speaker 1: I if I had a gun to my head, I

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01:00:50,760 --> 01:00:53,680
Speaker 1: think he gets one more. I don't know. If he

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Speaker 1: gets one more, I think, like, what'll be interesting Him

1087
01:00:56,840 --> 01:01:00,360
Speaker 1: and Rory are effectively the same age is who's up

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Speaker 1: with more majors at the end of the day, Brooks

1089
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Speaker 1: having a one major league is And I think this

1090
01:01:06,240 --> 01:01:11,320
Speaker 1: is like a interesting underguard card that has a lot

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Speaker 1: of Like I guarantee when Brooks won his fifth that

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01:01:17,240 --> 01:01:20,560
Speaker 1: couldn't have made Rory happy because it's like there's a

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01:01:20,560 --> 01:01:23,640
Speaker 1: badge of honor of being like the you know, if

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01:01:23,640 --> 01:01:26,000
Speaker 1: you take Tiger out of active and fill out of

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01:01:26,120 --> 01:01:30,960
Speaker 1: active player, the active player with the most majors right, absolutely.

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Speaker 2: Rory has said it.

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Speaker 3: He said it in the in the Netflix Full Swing thing, Like,

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Speaker 3: I know Brooks has more majors than I have now,

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Speaker 3: like they're obviously all aware of it.

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Speaker 1: I mean, who'd you pick to have more majors at

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01:01:40,640 --> 01:01:43,080
Speaker 1: the end of their career? No, you get one one

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Speaker 1: major lead with Brooks?

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01:01:45,360 --> 01:01:47,280
Speaker 3: Brandlely, Curious what you think I would take Rory. I

1104
01:01:47,280 --> 01:01:50,280
Speaker 3: believe that the.

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01:01:49,320 --> 01:01:50,480
Speaker 2: From now until the end.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think this calendar year is such a good

1107
01:01:52,960 --> 01:01:56,320
Speaker 3: opportunity for Rory in the level he's playing, in the

1108
01:01:56,360 --> 01:01:59,520
Speaker 3: longevity he's shown that. I believe he'll get one over

1109
01:01:59,520 --> 01:02:03,280
Speaker 3: the next two to three years, and as soon as

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01:02:03,280 --> 01:02:05,600
Speaker 3: he ties it up, I think the odds get way

1111
01:02:05,680 --> 01:02:08,000
Speaker 3: in his way in his favor, just giving Brooks his

1112
01:02:08,360 --> 01:02:10,960
Speaker 3: injury history. But if they finish their careers and Brooks

1113
01:02:10,960 --> 01:02:13,200
Speaker 3: finishes with six and Rory ends on four, it's not

1114
01:02:13,240 --> 01:02:14,880
Speaker 3: going to shock me. I wouldn't be running to the

1115
01:02:15,640 --> 01:02:18,720
Speaker 3: bank to go take out a huge loan and make

1116
01:02:18,760 --> 01:02:21,479
Speaker 3: a bet against Brooks's future compared to Rory. Like Rory

1117
01:02:21,520 --> 01:02:22,439
Speaker 3: may not win another one.

1118
01:02:22,480 --> 01:02:24,480
Speaker 2: So I don't know. I think I would take Rory.

1119
01:02:24,520 --> 01:02:27,640
Speaker 2: But curious what you think Brentley it's kind of recently biased.

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Speaker 2: I think he may have found something with this TP

1121
01:02:30,040 --> 01:02:34,480
Speaker 2: five boss witch, you know, the degree lower, similar amount

1122
01:02:34,480 --> 01:02:37,600
Speaker 2: of spin. I don't know. I feel like Rory like

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01:02:37,680 --> 01:02:41,480
Speaker 2: Brooks's if you look at all the different aspects of

1124
01:02:41,480 --> 01:02:45,040
Speaker 2: the game, Like Brooks has never been a great chip

1125
01:02:45,080 --> 01:02:47,240
Speaker 2: or the golf ball, like great around the green, so

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01:02:47,320 --> 01:02:51,880
Speaker 2: he's always kind of consistently been right around the top,

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01:02:51,960 --> 01:02:54,440
Speaker 2: you know, one hundredth to outside the top one hundred

1128
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Speaker 2: in strop scans around the green. I feel like Rory

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Speaker 2: has been more consistent across the board then then Brooks has.

1130
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Speaker 2: And you know, if Brooks isn't gonna if he's not

1131
01:03:05,960 --> 01:03:08,480
Speaker 2: going to figure out the putting anytime soon, like he could,

1132
01:03:08,920 --> 01:03:12,560
Speaker 2: he could waste another year or two of majors. And

1133
01:03:12,640 --> 01:03:14,680
Speaker 2: Rory right now is playing some of the best golf

1134
01:03:14,680 --> 01:03:18,360
Speaker 2: that he's playing. So I could see Rory winning two

1135
01:03:18,360 --> 01:03:20,680
Speaker 2: majors this year, and if Brooks doesn't get it, going

1136
01:03:20,760 --> 01:03:23,200
Speaker 2: it for another couple of years, like that's a pretty

1137
01:03:23,200 --> 01:03:27,400
Speaker 2: big head start. So yeah, I'd I'd go Rory. Probably

1138
01:03:27,440 --> 01:03:30,240
Speaker 2: a little bit of recency bias, but I do think

1139
01:03:30,240 --> 01:03:32,000
Speaker 2: Brooks wins at least one more.

1140
01:03:32,320 --> 01:03:36,040
Speaker 1: Still on the Pebble Beach high.

1141
01:03:34,840 --> 01:03:37,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm always on the Pebble Beach High. Well, I

1142
01:03:37,320 --> 01:03:43,360
Speaker 2: mean you said six years of Brooks twenty thirty one.

1143
01:03:43,440 --> 01:03:46,720
Speaker 2: I think it's Kiowa potentially for the PGA.

1144
01:03:47,240 --> 01:03:49,520
Speaker 3: We're not protecting up, We're not protecting.

1145
01:03:50,920 --> 01:03:54,760
Speaker 2: We're not doing that Riviera for the US Open in

1146
01:03:54,840 --> 01:03:57,200
Speaker 2: twenty thirty one, and then I don't know where the

1147
01:03:57,520 --> 01:04:01,480
Speaker 2: Open it. It might it might be a is that

1148
01:04:01,440 --> 01:04:03,600
Speaker 2: that's not a saying that's not an old course you're

1149
01:04:03,600 --> 01:04:04,760
Speaker 2: not doing I mean.

1150
01:04:04,680 --> 01:04:07,080
Speaker 1: I mean one of the crazy things with Brooks is

1151
01:04:07,320 --> 01:04:11,320
Speaker 1: he's had close calls at Augusta. I mean we're like

1152
01:04:11,560 --> 01:04:15,160
Speaker 1: very close to him being a like he was close

1153
01:04:15,160 --> 01:04:19,840
Speaker 1: support Rush too. You know, it's I think like every

1154
01:04:19,920 --> 01:04:22,080
Speaker 1: year fits well for Brooks. I think one of the

1155
01:04:22,120 --> 01:04:26,200
Speaker 1: things with Brooks is the utter other aspect of it,

1156
01:04:27,280 --> 01:04:32,200
Speaker 1: Like twenty seventeen, twenty eighteen Brooks versus today. I don't

1157
01:04:32,200 --> 01:04:34,200
Speaker 1: think he's as much of a force with the driver

1158
01:04:34,280 --> 01:04:34,960
Speaker 1: as he used to be.

1159
01:04:35,600 --> 01:04:37,560
Speaker 3: I also just think that's a really interesting point, Andy,

1160
01:04:37,600 --> 01:04:40,600
Speaker 3: for how much we harp on Rory and great players

1161
01:04:40,600 --> 01:04:42,800
Speaker 3: who haven't won the Masters yet. I mean, how do

1162
01:04:42,840 --> 01:04:44,840
Speaker 3: we not talk about Brooks the same way when you

1163
01:04:44,840 --> 01:04:48,800
Speaker 3: think about who's at that champion's dinner and who has

1164
01:04:48,840 --> 01:04:52,640
Speaker 3: won ed Augusta. Brooks deserves as much of that conversation

1165
01:04:52,840 --> 01:04:54,400
Speaker 3: right now as Rory does.

1166
01:04:54,480 --> 01:04:55,320
Speaker 2: And yeah, I think his.

1167
01:04:55,320 --> 01:04:58,000
Speaker 3: Chances of winning the Masters are arguably higher than Rory's,

1168
01:04:58,040 --> 01:05:00,880
Speaker 3: just given how Rory tends to get little loose out there.

1169
01:05:01,720 --> 01:05:05,800
Speaker 1: It's fascinating that after okill, I feel like the discourse

1170
01:05:05,920 --> 01:05:09,520
Speaker 1: was like, ken Brooks get to eight or nine, and

1171
01:05:09,560 --> 01:05:13,600
Speaker 1: now you know, we're a year, a year and a

1172
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Speaker 1: half later, a year, a year almost two years later,

1173
01:05:17,200 --> 01:05:20,480
Speaker 1: I guess, And now it's like, can he get to six?

1174
01:05:21,960 --> 01:05:24,480
Speaker 1: What would you put the over under on on? Is

1175
01:05:24,520 --> 01:05:27,960
Speaker 1: six and a half the right over under? Or is

1176
01:05:27,960 --> 01:05:28,920
Speaker 1: it five and a half?

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01:05:29,040 --> 01:05:32,240
Speaker 2: It's five and a half. Yeah, it's got The over

1178
01:05:32,320 --> 01:05:35,480
Speaker 2: unders are always very conservative because it's so hard. I mean,

1179
01:05:35,520 --> 01:05:38,680
Speaker 2: you've got so many, I mean, so many guys who

1180
01:05:40,200 --> 01:05:43,640
Speaker 2: can win majors now, I mean, Ludwig's already a force

1181
01:05:43,680 --> 01:05:45,840
Speaker 2: in majors.

1182
01:05:46,800 --> 01:05:48,520
Speaker 1: He had won good major so far.

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Speaker 2: No, I mean I believe I mean, yeah, yeah, Colin,

1184
01:05:54,600 --> 01:05:57,200
Speaker 2: but no, but like as far as like his game

1185
01:05:57,520 --> 01:06:01,120
Speaker 2: is built for majors, and he hasn't really led me

1186
01:06:01,200 --> 01:06:03,400
Speaker 2: to believe otherwise. So yeah, I mean, heck, I throw.

1187
01:06:03,520 --> 01:06:06,800
Speaker 2: I threw Luke Clanton in there. Luke Clinton's gonna win

1188
01:06:06,880 --> 01:06:08,480
Speaker 2: like four majors. We're gonna be.

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Speaker 1: Doing a special exemption into the Masters.

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01:06:11,680 --> 01:06:13,760
Speaker 2: No, no, no, he's not gonna get that. He's he's

1191
01:06:13,800 --> 01:06:16,400
Speaker 2: got to play a college tournament at some point. You know,

1192
01:06:16,440 --> 01:06:18,000
Speaker 2: he's hope.

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01:06:18,040 --> 01:06:21,200
Speaker 1: All right though, all right, this was fun. Anybody got

1194
01:06:21,240 --> 01:06:24,800
Speaker 1: any last Brooks thoughts to get off their chest? Anything? Yeah? One?

1195
01:06:25,400 --> 01:06:27,200
Speaker 1: All right? I figured no.

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Speaker 3: One moment we did not touch on that. I just

1197
01:06:29,120 --> 01:06:32,400
Speaker 3: think is funny and illustrative of Brooks Kopka and his

1198
01:06:32,480 --> 01:06:37,600
Speaker 3: major alpha energy. The twenty fifteen Open when when the

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Speaker 3: ball is oscillating on the green and Brooks kept is

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01:06:41,120 --> 01:06:44,480
Speaker 3: a complete unproven entity at this point, he hasn't even

1201
01:06:44,480 --> 01:06:47,440
Speaker 3: played ten major championships, and some rules official comes up

1202
01:06:47,480 --> 01:06:50,560
Speaker 3: to him, I guess makes it clear that he's a

1203
01:06:50,760 --> 01:06:55,080
Speaker 3: sir the rules official referring to himself, and Brooks says allegedly,

1204
01:06:55,440 --> 01:06:58,440
Speaker 3: I don't care. I don't give an f who you are.

1205
01:06:58,560 --> 01:07:01,800
Speaker 3: I'm not playing until my all stops oscillating. And then

1206
01:07:01,840 --> 01:07:05,320
Speaker 3: shortly thereafter they halt play. Do you think that's a

1207
01:07:05,480 --> 01:07:08,480
Speaker 3: pretty uh. It fits in with a lot of Brentley's

1208
01:07:08,560 --> 01:07:11,920
Speaker 3: characterizations of a young Brooks. The brash like some of

1209
01:07:11,920 --> 01:07:15,800
Speaker 3: the arrogance kind of maybe was a sign that he

1210
01:07:16,080 --> 01:07:19,240
Speaker 3: did not feel uncomfortable in that environment. I think it's

1211
01:07:19,240 --> 01:07:21,160
Speaker 3: pretty interesting moment in the Kopka. If we're gonna do

1212
01:07:21,160 --> 01:07:22,760
Speaker 3: the Keopka pod, we got to mention.

1213
01:07:22,600 --> 01:07:25,880
Speaker 1: That this this is not meant to be like a

1214
01:07:25,960 --> 01:07:29,320
Speaker 1: full blown Kopka, you know, because if we if we

1215
01:07:29,360 --> 01:07:31,520
Speaker 1: wanted to do that, the there needs to be lots

1216
01:07:31,520 --> 01:07:36,160
Speaker 1: of discourse about you know, the move to live, the

1217
01:07:36,160 --> 01:07:42,040
Speaker 1: the Bryson Beef, Keila and near miss, you know, getting

1218
01:07:42,240 --> 01:07:47,280
Speaker 1: just getting steamrolled by Phil on Sunday. There's so manything

1219
01:07:47,560 --> 01:07:49,960
Speaker 1: layers to that. This is kind of more of a

1220
01:07:50,080 --> 01:07:52,960
Speaker 1: check in of where are we, what are we doing,

1221
01:07:53,720 --> 01:07:56,160
Speaker 1: and where do we think he goes? And I think

1222
01:07:56,320 --> 01:08:00,360
Speaker 1: I think everybody's pretty positive on Brooks and and where

1223
01:08:00,400 --> 01:08:03,880
Speaker 1: it is. I think, you know, generally believe that we

1224
01:08:03,920 --> 01:08:06,960
Speaker 1: are we are going to see more high level major

1225
01:08:07,000 --> 01:08:09,520
Speaker 1: play from him in the calendar year.

1226
01:08:10,680 --> 01:08:13,880
Speaker 2: I got one more thing that would be perfect to

1227
01:08:13,920 --> 01:08:17,400
Speaker 2: sign off with and all right. My all time favorite

1228
01:08:17,439 --> 01:08:20,600
Speaker 2: Brooks Kopka moment was a exchange that he had with

1229
01:08:20,640 --> 01:08:25,920
Speaker 2: Smarten and I believe a tour championship a few years back.

1230
01:08:26,000 --> 01:08:29,160
Speaker 2: And basically this is when Brooks had the the off

1231
01:08:29,200 --> 01:08:33,320
Speaker 2: white zip tie on a shoe and so smart and

1232
01:08:33,400 --> 01:08:37,200
Speaker 2: being the intrepid reporter that he is said, people were asking,

1233
01:08:37,240 --> 01:08:40,840
Speaker 2: what's on your shoes? Oasis question Mark Brooks goes the

1234
01:08:40,880 --> 01:08:45,080
Speaker 2: off whites. It's fashion bro No, no, no, the other Brooks.

1235
01:08:45,280 --> 01:08:48,080
Speaker 2: This is like such a typical golfer, like forty year

1236
01:08:48,120 --> 01:08:50,800
Speaker 2: old white man, like and smart and goes, I have

1237
01:08:50,840 --> 01:08:55,800
Speaker 2: two kids. It was like the best exchange ever and

1238
01:08:56,200 --> 01:08:58,640
Speaker 2: one that I will file away from me for the

1239
01:08:58,680 --> 01:08:59,320
Speaker 2: rest of my life.

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01:09:00,040 --> 01:09:15,240
Speaker 1: Amazing, amazing. All right, well that does it. Big thanks

1241
01:09:15,560 --> 01:09:19,320
Speaker 1: to Brentley. You can read his work at Golf Channel.

1242
01:09:20,320 --> 01:09:24,000
Speaker 1: You can see him on Golf Channel. Joseph, I've loved

1243
01:09:24,040 --> 01:09:28,519
Speaker 1: your Your Wednesday article every week on on on our website,

1244
01:09:28,560 --> 01:09:31,560
Speaker 1: The Friday dot Com. And big thanks to p. J.

1245
01:09:31,720 --> 01:09:36,280
Speaker 1: Clark for producing and editing this podcast. This is the

1246
01:09:36,280 --> 01:09:39,200
Speaker 1: start of the Johnnies game. Big big night for the

1247
01:09:39,280 --> 01:09:43,719
Speaker 1: Johnny's against Marquette. But he's he's he's producing this podcast instead.