1 00:00:01,400 --> 00:00:06,520 Speaker 1: Body bus with Joseph's gotten more. I have said it 2 00:00:06,519 --> 00:00:09,200 Speaker 1: throughout my career. I will say it until my eyes 3 00:00:09,400 --> 00:00:17,440 Speaker 1: close in that final sleep. Identification is everything in any 4 00:00:17,560 --> 00:00:26,600 Speaker 1: investigation that you conduct. In the case involving David Burke, 5 00:00:29,480 --> 00:00:34,840 Speaker 1: D four D or hybrids pronounced, He's a human being, 6 00:00:35,800 --> 00:00:40,440 Speaker 1: David Burke, He's a real person. We now have an 7 00:00:40,479 --> 00:00:46,839 Speaker 1: idea on who those remains were that were in dwelling 8 00:00:47,280 --> 00:00:53,120 Speaker 1: the front of his tesla. And she was a person 9 00:00:53,159 --> 00:01:02,000 Speaker 1: as well, Celeste reave Us or Nandez. We know who 10 00:01:02,040 --> 00:01:08,120 Speaker 1: she is, but who was she? Who was she? What 11 00:01:08,319 --> 00:01:12,839 Speaker 1: is it that brought her life to the point where 12 00:01:12,840 --> 00:01:18,080 Speaker 1: it intersected with a young man who had a burgeoning 13 00:01:18,480 --> 00:01:25,880 Speaker 1: career in the music industry. And why why was her 14 00:01:26,319 --> 00:01:35,120 Speaker 1: body in multiple pieces in this tesla that belonged to 15 00:01:35,160 --> 00:01:43,959 Speaker 1: this person. I'm Joseph Scott Morgan and this is bodybags, Dave. 16 00:01:45,280 --> 00:01:49,320 Speaker 1: So we are oriented here. We have to state from 17 00:01:49,320 --> 00:01:52,280 Speaker 1: the beginning that this is a continuation of an earlier 18 00:01:52,280 --> 00:01:55,400 Speaker 1: episode that we have done, because I got to tell 19 00:01:55,400 --> 00:01:59,760 Speaker 1: you right now, we're choking on data. Yeah this way, 20 00:02:00,040 --> 00:02:02,400 Speaker 1: you know, and you know I've worked cases before, Dave, 21 00:02:03,040 --> 00:02:09,000 Speaker 1: where there's so much information. I've particularly Okay, let me 22 00:02:09,040 --> 00:02:12,400 Speaker 1: rephrase that. I've had cases that I've worked as a 23 00:02:12,400 --> 00:02:15,360 Speaker 1: practitioner where we had a lot of data, but it 24 00:02:15,480 --> 00:02:19,200 Speaker 1: even And maybe you can address this because you've been 25 00:02:19,280 --> 00:02:22,400 Speaker 1: in media for so long and you're so good at 26 00:02:22,480 --> 00:02:28,000 Speaker 1: it that do you ever find yourself drowning in information? 27 00:02:28,240 --> 00:02:30,360 Speaker 1: And it's like you sit there, I don't know about 28 00:02:30,520 --> 00:02:33,000 Speaker 1: now that I'm in this world. It's like I will 29 00:02:33,080 --> 00:02:37,240 Speaker 1: lay in bed at night and will I'll try to 30 00:02:37,320 --> 00:02:40,359 Speaker 1: process everything that I may have talked about about forensics 31 00:02:40,639 --> 00:02:42,240 Speaker 1: during the day, but I have all the stuff that 32 00:02:42,280 --> 00:02:45,560 Speaker 1: creeps in, this information overload that comes in, And how 33 00:02:45,560 --> 00:02:47,960 Speaker 1: do you kind of, you know, suss this out and 34 00:02:48,240 --> 00:02:49,840 Speaker 1: try to develop a timeline. 35 00:02:50,120 --> 00:02:53,680 Speaker 2: When Nancy Gray says, slow down, you got me drinking 36 00:02:53,680 --> 00:02:57,200 Speaker 2: out of the fire hole, that's what it feels like 37 00:02:57,240 --> 00:02:59,079 Speaker 2: a lot of time when you have a story, because 38 00:02:59,080 --> 00:03:01,720 Speaker 2: it's a lot of our time I'm investigating a story. 39 00:03:02,320 --> 00:03:04,200 Speaker 2: You're it's like pulling teeth. 40 00:03:04,360 --> 00:03:06,440 Speaker 1: Hang on, let me do an imitation real quick. Hang on, 41 00:03:06,520 --> 00:03:11,160 Speaker 1: Joe Scott. Yeah, Now, I'm just a JD. I'm not 42 00:03:11,200 --> 00:03:14,600 Speaker 1: an MD or I'm not a forensic scientist. You've got 43 00:03:14,639 --> 00:03:18,440 Speaker 1: to slow down. All right. That's a classic line, right. 44 00:03:18,360 --> 00:03:20,160 Speaker 2: It is. And that's what it feels like a lot 45 00:03:20,200 --> 00:03:22,160 Speaker 2: of time when you have a story. And like I 46 00:03:22,200 --> 00:03:26,480 Speaker 2: told you on this one with Celesteevus, there are multiple 47 00:03:26,520 --> 00:03:29,799 Speaker 2: prongs on this story and they're all bad. I told 48 00:03:29,840 --> 00:03:32,600 Speaker 2: you off the air before we started that, if not 49 00:03:32,800 --> 00:03:37,040 Speaker 2: for this story, where we are today, the story of 50 00:03:37,120 --> 00:03:44,920 Speaker 2: David Anthony Burke becoming a burgeoning star is an incredible story. 51 00:03:45,040 --> 00:03:47,080 Speaker 2: I will give it to you very briefly. He became 52 00:03:47,160 --> 00:03:51,200 Speaker 2: a celebrity by playing Fortnite, the video game. He's a gamer, 53 00:03:51,520 --> 00:03:53,720 Speaker 2: and he's twenty years old now it's twenty twenty five. 54 00:03:54,560 --> 00:03:57,680 Speaker 2: But back several years ago, he was playing Fortnite and 55 00:03:57,720 --> 00:04:00,440 Speaker 2: he would upload videos. You know, kids they shoot video 56 00:04:00,440 --> 00:04:04,000 Speaker 2: of themselves playing video games and they share tips and 57 00:04:04,040 --> 00:04:06,240 Speaker 2: tricks and things like that, and other kids watch it 58 00:04:06,280 --> 00:04:08,760 Speaker 2: on YouTube and it's a big deal. And what David 59 00:04:08,880 --> 00:04:11,839 Speaker 2: Burke did is he put music to it. Well, when 60 00:04:11,840 --> 00:04:14,560 Speaker 2: you're using copyrighted music, you get shut down. So his 61 00:04:14,640 --> 00:04:17,320 Speaker 2: YouTube videos were growing by leaps and bounds and he 62 00:04:17,440 --> 00:04:19,960 Speaker 2: was making bank. You know, he's making bank at fifteen, 63 00:04:20,040 --> 00:04:23,000 Speaker 2: sixteen years old, and YouTube shut him down. You can't 64 00:04:23,080 --> 00:04:26,599 Speaker 2: use copyrighted material in your stuff. And so he goes 65 00:04:26,640 --> 00:04:28,800 Speaker 2: to his mom, and we've talked to his dad is 66 00:04:28,880 --> 00:04:31,919 Speaker 2: a lawyer and his mom is now a notary public 67 00:04:32,480 --> 00:04:35,960 Speaker 2: but with a background in education. And he's been homeschooled. 68 00:04:36,320 --> 00:04:38,640 Speaker 2: He's very much a home in. This is an indoor 69 00:04:38,720 --> 00:04:41,360 Speaker 2: cap And he goes to his mom complaining about how 70 00:04:41,360 --> 00:04:43,280 Speaker 2: he has no money anymore, it's all been shut out, 71 00:04:43,320 --> 00:04:45,680 Speaker 2: and she got fed up with him. I said, Matt, 72 00:04:45,680 --> 00:04:47,880 Speaker 2: why don't you make your own music. He's singing in 73 00:04:47,920 --> 00:04:49,960 Speaker 2: the choir at church. He's been brought up in church, 74 00:04:50,160 --> 00:04:52,680 Speaker 2: singing in the choir and all that, and she so 75 00:04:52,800 --> 00:04:55,880 Speaker 2: he did. He actually downloaded an app on his iPhone 76 00:04:56,520 --> 00:04:59,479 Speaker 2: that shows you how to write songs, makes music, and 77 00:04:59,560 --> 00:05:02,440 Speaker 2: he goes into his sister's closet and starts writing music. 78 00:05:03,360 --> 00:05:06,240 Speaker 2: It's a talented young man that can do that. It's 79 00:05:06,279 --> 00:05:10,960 Speaker 2: not something everyone can do. And he did. Now if 80 00:05:10,960 --> 00:05:14,560 Speaker 2: you have him in it later on after this, after 81 00:05:14,600 --> 00:05:17,719 Speaker 2: you listen to this podcast, go look up Romantic Homicide. 82 00:05:18,240 --> 00:05:20,640 Speaker 2: That was the first big hit he had and he 83 00:05:20,760 --> 00:05:23,479 Speaker 2: went viral because he included it on his Fortnite. But 84 00:05:23,480 --> 00:05:26,680 Speaker 2: he included his own music on Fortnite and then he 85 00:05:26,760 --> 00:05:31,800 Speaker 2: used TikTok of his Fortnite videos and his music and boom, 86 00:05:32,040 --> 00:05:35,800 Speaker 2: all this guy's got a billion views. You know, he exploded, 87 00:05:35,839 --> 00:05:39,800 Speaker 2: and he's making bank before he ever releases a CD. 88 00:05:40,320 --> 00:05:43,159 Speaker 2: He's making so much money for himself. The record labels 89 00:05:43,160 --> 00:05:45,960 Speaker 2: are dying for him because he's creating stuff. I mean, 90 00:05:46,000 --> 00:05:49,480 Speaker 2: this guy's worth millions already. That's how he can afford 91 00:05:49,480 --> 00:05:53,680 Speaker 2: a twenty thousand dollars a month mansion in Hills Comicide 92 00:05:53,960 --> 00:05:56,839 Speaker 2: and his gross bloody shirts and everything. By the way, Joe, 93 00:05:57,800 --> 00:06:05,200 Speaker 2: this death, evil destruction. It's permeating his work, all of it. 94 00:06:05,600 --> 00:06:07,720 Speaker 1: Yeah, And I got to tell you right now, I'm 95 00:06:07,720 --> 00:06:10,119 Speaker 1: thinking about Van Morrison and one of my favorite songs 96 00:06:10,160 --> 00:06:14,240 Speaker 1: is bright Side of the Road, and I'm thinking this 97 00:06:14,320 --> 00:06:17,000 Speaker 1: is so far removed. Of course Van Moore, this is 98 00:06:17,040 --> 00:06:19,200 Speaker 1: not you know, they say there's nothing new under the sun. 99 00:06:19,320 --> 00:06:23,360 Speaker 1: Ben Morrison also recorded a song called TB Sheets and 100 00:06:23,400 --> 00:06:26,200 Speaker 1: it's one of the most depressing songs that you'll ever 101 00:06:26,200 --> 00:06:28,400 Speaker 1: hear in your life. But the idea that someone would 102 00:06:28,440 --> 00:06:32,440 Speaker 1: write something called romantic it's a homicide. 103 00:06:31,920 --> 00:06:33,839 Speaker 2: And that it's listened to so many times it becomes 104 00:06:33,839 --> 00:06:36,760 Speaker 2: a hit makes it honey, But that's actually what led 105 00:06:36,800 --> 00:06:38,720 Speaker 2: him to his record deal and led him to becoming 106 00:06:38,720 --> 00:06:43,400 Speaker 2: a pseudo celebrity. It's also where, using his online persona, 107 00:06:44,800 --> 00:06:50,760 Speaker 2: he connected with Celeste Reevas. We think there is enough 108 00:06:50,760 --> 00:06:53,320 Speaker 2: proof out there that they've had a relationship for some time. 109 00:06:53,720 --> 00:06:56,039 Speaker 2: And when you look at the date the time that 110 00:06:56,120 --> 00:06:58,520 Speaker 2: she was actually reported missing from her parents' house in 111 00:06:58,600 --> 00:07:02,120 Speaker 2: Lake Elson or April fifth, twenty twenty four, Celeste of 112 00:07:02,279 --> 00:07:06,680 Speaker 2: is officially reported missing. They hung missing posters up everywhere. 113 00:07:06,839 --> 00:07:10,000 Speaker 2: They're trying to get attention from the press. Lake elsoner 114 00:07:10,080 --> 00:07:12,840 Speaker 2: is about seventy miles south from where your body was found. 115 00:07:13,000 --> 00:07:16,120 Speaker 1: But Jo, hang on one second. I got to tell our 116 00:07:16,120 --> 00:07:20,400 Speaker 1: friends something real quick. The reason I love Dave Mack 117 00:07:21,240 --> 00:07:23,800 Speaker 1: so much other than in fact he's a really cool 118 00:07:23,880 --> 00:07:26,280 Speaker 1: cat hanging out with thank you, and he's got one 119 00:07:26,320 --> 00:07:29,480 Speaker 1: of the best voices out I got to tell you 120 00:07:29,960 --> 00:07:32,320 Speaker 1: one of the things I love about this man is 121 00:07:32,360 --> 00:07:38,280 Speaker 1: his ability to take complex things and break them down, 122 00:07:38,320 --> 00:07:43,120 Speaker 1: particularly as applies to timelines. You would have made a 123 00:07:43,160 --> 00:07:47,520 Speaker 1: fantastic investigator, and Dave, something you have preached to me 124 00:07:47,600 --> 00:07:52,680 Speaker 1: about this case is age yep, and that's something that 125 00:07:52,840 --> 00:07:57,360 Speaker 1: is as a as a father and as a granddad, 126 00:07:58,600 --> 00:08:02,760 Speaker 1: which you and I occupy that same space. Yeah, it's 127 00:08:02,880 --> 00:08:06,560 Speaker 1: it is a gut punch in this case. And that's 128 00:08:06,560 --> 00:08:09,000 Speaker 1: something that I don't care how you look at this, 129 00:08:09,280 --> 00:08:13,800 Speaker 1: you cannot get past it. Please please share, share your 130 00:08:13,880 --> 00:08:15,240 Speaker 1: knowledge on this, will please? 131 00:08:15,240 --> 00:08:16,680 Speaker 2: All Right, here's the thing, and I'm going to tell 132 00:08:16,680 --> 00:08:20,440 Speaker 2: you that I've got when children go as straight. Look, 133 00:08:20,440 --> 00:08:25,120 Speaker 2: there are children who run away. There are children who 134 00:08:25,200 --> 00:08:28,080 Speaker 2: run away from all kinds of situations that happens every day. 135 00:08:28,800 --> 00:08:31,960 Speaker 2: But in this particular case, I don't know Celestie of 136 00:08:32,000 --> 00:08:36,719 Speaker 2: his parents, don't know them at all, but she had 137 00:08:36,760 --> 00:08:41,200 Speaker 2: run away so many times. And in particular a teacher 138 00:08:41,240 --> 00:08:46,280 Speaker 2: of hers, one of celeste teachers, after her body was identified, 139 00:08:46,400 --> 00:08:48,280 Speaker 2: he told his class he was trying to teach his 140 00:08:48,360 --> 00:08:52,080 Speaker 2: junior high school kids about being careful with people you 141 00:08:52,160 --> 00:08:54,760 Speaker 2: meet online. And he holds up a picture a video 142 00:08:54,800 --> 00:08:57,440 Speaker 2: of her on his phone to this girl I taught 143 00:08:57,480 --> 00:09:00,640 Speaker 2: her last year. Oh lord, she ran away to La 144 00:09:01,160 --> 00:09:06,040 Speaker 2: to be with this guy, David Burke, and the police 145 00:09:06,080 --> 00:09:10,280 Speaker 2: brought her back home and she left again. Well, the 146 00:09:10,280 --> 00:09:12,800 Speaker 2: police been called to her house twelve times in or 147 00:09:12,840 --> 00:09:15,320 Speaker 2: thirteen times in the twelve months leading up to April fifth, 148 00:09:15,320 --> 00:09:18,520 Speaker 2: twenty twenty four, when she actually disappeared finally. But the 149 00:09:18,559 --> 00:09:20,680 Speaker 2: thing is that she didn't stay gone from there, Joe. 150 00:09:20,720 --> 00:09:23,560 Speaker 2: We reported her missing from that date, but in reality 151 00:09:23,720 --> 00:09:25,960 Speaker 2: she was back. She was back home in September of 152 00:09:25,960 --> 00:09:28,960 Speaker 2: that year, a year before she actually her remains were 153 00:09:28,960 --> 00:09:31,360 Speaker 2: found in la a year before. She was back home 154 00:09:31,360 --> 00:09:33,920 Speaker 2: at her parents. They just never unlisted her as missing. 155 00:09:34,480 --> 00:09:38,960 Speaker 2: We've got video of her arguing with her neighbors, her parents' neighbors, 156 00:09:38,960 --> 00:09:42,000 Speaker 2: because the kids were playing ding dong ditch. So les 157 00:09:42,160 --> 00:09:45,920 Speaker 2: was a handful. But Celeste Reeves had to have been 158 00:09:45,960 --> 00:09:49,240 Speaker 2: twelve when she met David Burke. Had to have been twelve, 159 00:09:49,360 --> 00:09:52,120 Speaker 2: because September seventh is a really important date in the 160 00:09:52,120 --> 00:09:56,280 Speaker 2: world of David Burke. It's the date he released Romantic Comicide. 161 00:09:58,120 --> 00:10:00,440 Speaker 2: Think about that for a minute. September seventh, and what 162 00:10:00,520 --> 00:10:04,720 Speaker 2: else happened on September seventh, Well, it happens to be 163 00:10:04,840 --> 00:10:11,480 Speaker 2: Celesteeves's birthday. Romantic Commiside was released on September seventh, twenty 164 00:10:11,480 --> 00:10:15,400 Speaker 2: twenty two, when Celeste was twelve. And actually what that 165 00:10:15,440 --> 00:10:18,640 Speaker 2: means if they are octogy means that he was around 166 00:10:18,640 --> 00:10:20,640 Speaker 2: her before she was twelve. She would have been eleven. 167 00:10:23,200 --> 00:10:26,840 Speaker 2: Burke would have been seventeen at the time. He's twenty now. 168 00:10:27,880 --> 00:10:30,600 Speaker 2: He released another song called rehabb a year later. On 169 00:10:30,679 --> 00:10:35,560 Speaker 2: September seventh, twenty twenty three, released two songs on her birthday. 170 00:10:35,640 --> 00:10:38,600 Speaker 2: The same girl that winds up dead in his trunk 171 00:10:39,080 --> 00:10:44,960 Speaker 2: frunk of his car his tesla can't be a coincidence, Joe, 172 00:10:45,000 --> 00:10:46,880 Speaker 2: But let's just say that it is for a minute, 173 00:10:46,920 --> 00:10:50,000 Speaker 2: and let's go this way we've talked about. They identify 174 00:10:50,080 --> 00:10:52,439 Speaker 2: the body, and what happens. The police go to his house, 175 00:10:52,880 --> 00:10:56,000 Speaker 2: they'd serve a search warrant, and word comes out of 176 00:10:56,040 --> 00:11:00,160 Speaker 2: there they're using illuminol. Yeah, why would police you is 177 00:11:00,240 --> 00:11:03,760 Speaker 2: luminol inside of a home that they're searching. And by 178 00:11:03,760 --> 00:11:05,040 Speaker 2: the way, they only came out with a couple of 179 00:11:05,120 --> 00:11:07,719 Speaker 2: items like computers and things like that, as and electronic 180 00:11:07,800 --> 00:11:10,640 Speaker 2: media stuff. But what would they be looking for if 181 00:11:10,679 --> 00:11:11,600 Speaker 2: they're using luminol? 182 00:11:11,800 --> 00:11:14,439 Speaker 1: Well, the only thing you're going to be looking for 183 00:11:14,880 --> 00:11:18,640 Speaker 1: is some type of remnant of blood that's left behind, 184 00:11:18,679 --> 00:11:21,440 Speaker 1: bubb I mean, that's that's the only thing you know 185 00:11:21,559 --> 00:11:25,240 Speaker 1: that you're looking for, and for folks that are not 186 00:11:25,360 --> 00:11:30,880 Speaker 1: familiar with illuminol. It is it has what's referred to 187 00:11:30,920 --> 00:11:34,040 Speaker 1: as a chemical luminescence. I think I think that many 188 00:11:34,080 --> 00:11:38,160 Speaker 1: times public labors under this idea that with luminol and 189 00:11:38,200 --> 00:11:43,760 Speaker 1: even like there's another substance called blue star, right, they 190 00:11:43,800 --> 00:11:49,160 Speaker 1: think that once you sprint this stuff around, okay, that 191 00:11:49,240 --> 00:11:52,960 Speaker 1: it's it's going to automatically luminous. It happens in a 192 00:11:53,160 --> 00:11:57,880 Speaker 1: fraction of a second. So really, yeah, once the application 193 00:11:58,200 --> 00:11:58,880 Speaker 1: is made. 194 00:11:59,160 --> 00:12:02,520 Speaker 2: Hold on, so you're looking at a room that's got 195 00:12:02,600 --> 00:12:05,920 Speaker 2: carpet that's been cleaned, Yeah, and you spray this stuff 196 00:12:05,960 --> 00:12:09,440 Speaker 2: on it and for a brief second you can see 197 00:12:09,520 --> 00:12:12,800 Speaker 2: blood spatter, but it's gone that quick. Yeah. 198 00:12:12,800 --> 00:12:16,040 Speaker 1: Well, the luminescence only has So that's why like these 199 00:12:16,120 --> 00:12:19,280 Speaker 1: images that you see and it comes off as like this, 200 00:12:19,640 --> 00:12:22,800 Speaker 1: it's actually a very beautiful shade of blue. You know. 201 00:12:23,920 --> 00:12:29,160 Speaker 1: Remember you have found beauty and horror sometimes and you 202 00:12:29,280 --> 00:12:31,520 Speaker 1: have to have your camera ready, so it's not like 203 00:12:31,559 --> 00:12:34,960 Speaker 1: a I guess you could say it's a one person job, 204 00:12:35,800 --> 00:12:39,560 Speaker 1: but that ain't necessarily the case. So you have to 205 00:12:39,559 --> 00:12:43,400 Speaker 1: stand by with these applications and be able to snap 206 00:12:43,440 --> 00:12:46,760 Speaker 1: that image. Now here's The thing about it, most of 207 00:12:46,800 --> 00:12:51,240 Speaker 1: the time when you're looking for this chemical luminescence, it's 208 00:12:51,280 --> 00:12:53,880 Speaker 1: a reactive thing that's going on with the heme globin 209 00:12:53,960 --> 00:12:59,440 Speaker 1: and the blood and the chemical that's applied. Most of 210 00:12:59,480 --> 00:13:03,160 Speaker 1: the time, what they're doing that for is it's like 211 00:13:03,200 --> 00:13:07,480 Speaker 1: if you've got a questioned area, all right, and you've 212 00:13:07,520 --> 00:13:12,000 Speaker 1: got what appears to be blood. Remember, forensically you cannot 213 00:13:12,080 --> 00:13:17,839 Speaker 1: look at a stain and say that that's blood. I 214 00:13:18,120 --> 00:13:23,160 Speaker 1: take us back to again, Idaho with the so called 215 00:13:23,200 --> 00:13:24,880 Speaker 1: blood coming out of the house. Now, that did turn 216 00:13:24,920 --> 00:13:28,040 Speaker 1: out to be blood, But for me, I never called 217 00:13:28,040 --> 00:13:32,559 Speaker 1: that blood. I didn't. I was trained better because I 218 00:13:32,600 --> 00:13:36,319 Speaker 1: was not present for the chemical testing, right, and when 219 00:13:36,400 --> 00:13:38,640 Speaker 1: you first take a look at it, you know, it 220 00:13:38,679 --> 00:13:41,400 Speaker 1: makes really good copy. Right from the media, you know 221 00:13:41,760 --> 00:13:46,599 Speaker 1: the house is bleeding. I even read a headline like that. Scientifically, 222 00:13:46,679 --> 00:13:49,960 Speaker 1: I can't say that because it's not verifiable until you 223 00:13:50,040 --> 00:13:53,720 Speaker 1: have the test before you, and there's multiple tests. My 224 00:13:53,800 --> 00:13:58,000 Speaker 1: point is is that most of the time with chemical luminescence, 225 00:13:58,720 --> 00:14:02,520 Speaker 1: you're going over an area where you suspect there was 226 00:14:02,640 --> 00:14:08,079 Speaker 1: blood and there's been some effort to clean that blood up. 227 00:14:08,160 --> 00:14:14,439 Speaker 1: There will always be some type of particulate remnant that's 228 00:14:14,559 --> 00:14:16,720 Speaker 1: left behind. Like if you and I are looking at 229 00:14:16,720 --> 00:14:21,480 Speaker 1: the same spot, we'll say, dude, I don't see anything 230 00:14:21,520 --> 00:14:22,480 Speaker 1: that resembles blood. 231 00:14:22,880 --> 00:14:23,120 Speaker 2: Right. 232 00:14:24,320 --> 00:14:29,680 Speaker 1: However, you take this chemical compound and you sprits it 233 00:14:29,720 --> 00:14:33,240 Speaker 1: on that area and you turn off the lights, and brother, 234 00:14:33,320 --> 00:14:38,080 Speaker 1: all of a sudden, the room glows and it's one 235 00:14:38,120 --> 00:14:41,160 Speaker 1: of those it's actually, Dave. When you're in the presence 236 00:14:41,200 --> 00:14:45,400 Speaker 1: of it, it's kind of a chilling moment. And this 237 00:14:45,560 --> 00:14:50,880 Speaker 1: is why, because not only can you see blood deposition patterns, 238 00:14:51,440 --> 00:14:53,880 Speaker 1: you know, like dynamic blood, you know, like we talked 239 00:14:53,880 --> 00:14:56,560 Speaker 1: about cast off and our two yeald spray and all 240 00:14:56,600 --> 00:14:59,600 Speaker 1: those things that you hear about. I think one of 241 00:14:59,600 --> 00:15:05,840 Speaker 1: the most things I've ever seen with luminol, it's drag marks, 242 00:15:07,040 --> 00:15:09,760 Speaker 1: you know where it looks like. And for all of 243 00:15:09,760 --> 00:15:12,600 Speaker 1: our friends out there, if you want to get an 244 00:15:12,680 --> 00:15:16,080 Speaker 1: idea of what I'm talking about here, just think about yourself. 245 00:15:16,080 --> 00:15:18,880 Speaker 1: If you've got to think about your experiences in life, 246 00:15:18,920 --> 00:15:23,040 Speaker 1: if you've ever got you've ever had, like a mop, 247 00:15:23,080 --> 00:15:25,120 Speaker 1: and I mean like a real mop. I'm not talking 248 00:15:25,160 --> 00:15:27,480 Speaker 1: about one of these things, you know, like a swiffer 249 00:15:27,600 --> 00:15:30,800 Speaker 1: or whatever. I'm talking about something that has like strengths here. 250 00:15:31,680 --> 00:15:34,720 Speaker 1: So you drag it across the floor and you realize, God, 251 00:15:34,720 --> 00:15:37,800 Speaker 1: my mop is really dirty because you're not cleaning, you're 252 00:15:37,840 --> 00:15:41,840 Speaker 1: just kind of smearing, you know what I'm saying. That's 253 00:15:42,000 --> 00:15:44,400 Speaker 1: what I'm talking about. With a drag mark. You see 254 00:15:44,440 --> 00:15:48,240 Speaker 1: the smear, the remnant that's left behind where someone has 255 00:15:49,280 --> 00:15:52,880 Speaker 1: has drugged something away. And what's really profound if you 256 00:15:52,880 --> 00:15:55,880 Speaker 1: see somebody that say they've had a head injury, like 257 00:15:55,920 --> 00:15:59,480 Speaker 1: a fatal head injury, and the blood is like super 258 00:15:59,480 --> 00:16:03,080 Speaker 1: saturated their hair and their hair begins to act. This 259 00:16:03,120 --> 00:16:06,240 Speaker 1: is so horrible. Their hair actually begins to act like 260 00:16:07,520 --> 00:16:11,600 Speaker 1: dirty mob strings and their drug. And then you go 261 00:16:11,680 --> 00:16:13,880 Speaker 1: back and you try to wipe that up and clean it, 262 00:16:15,320 --> 00:16:19,760 Speaker 1: you're going to see that lumine s. So it reveals 263 00:16:19,800 --> 00:16:22,720 Speaker 1: all those things that are hidden, is essentially, and it's 264 00:16:22,720 --> 00:16:25,800 Speaker 1: a marvelous tool. I mean it truly is, because those 265 00:16:25,840 --> 00:16:29,640 Speaker 1: things that people that have bad intentions are trying to 266 00:16:29,680 --> 00:16:34,520 Speaker 1: eradicate all will be revealed, you know, when you place 267 00:16:34,560 --> 00:16:38,520 Speaker 1: this agent on it. And so that is a it's 268 00:16:38,520 --> 00:16:42,480 Speaker 1: a beautiful thing. And so you think about this dwelling, 269 00:16:43,160 --> 00:16:46,920 Speaker 1: we don't know, look do full disclosure. We don't know 270 00:16:46,960 --> 00:16:49,920 Speaker 1: at this point in time what they found, if they 271 00:16:49,920 --> 00:16:56,200 Speaker 1: did have chemical luminescence in this environment, but you have 272 00:16:56,280 --> 00:16:58,920 Speaker 1: to think that they are going to go over this 273 00:16:59,000 --> 00:17:02,480 Speaker 1: house from stem to I find it interesting what you 274 00:17:02,560 --> 00:17:06,520 Speaker 1: mentioned they didn't come out with a lot. Okay, you 275 00:17:06,600 --> 00:17:10,000 Speaker 1: talked about computers and all this stuff, but you know 276 00:17:10,119 --> 00:17:14,119 Speaker 1: you're not going to come out of a house, you know, 277 00:17:14,400 --> 00:17:19,200 Speaker 1: with flooring most of the time. But what you will 278 00:17:19,240 --> 00:17:24,960 Speaker 1: come out with are actual photographs that are contained on 279 00:17:25,040 --> 00:17:28,440 Speaker 1: a disc or in a storage cloud or something like that, 280 00:17:28,520 --> 00:17:44,480 Speaker 1: and that that's going to tell the tale Dave. Within 281 00:17:44,560 --> 00:17:51,119 Speaker 1: the last week, Dave, first off, I'm not saying that 282 00:17:51,200 --> 00:17:54,440 Speaker 1: Celeste case has fallen off the radar. Far from it. 283 00:17:55,760 --> 00:17:58,480 Speaker 1: As a matter of fact, I've had several people that 284 00:17:58,520 --> 00:18:01,320 Speaker 1: have reached out to me as if I have like 285 00:18:01,400 --> 00:18:04,440 Speaker 1: some kind of inside knowledge what status of the case. Well, 286 00:18:04,520 --> 00:18:06,240 Speaker 1: I know as much as you have. You know, it's 287 00:18:06,280 --> 00:18:08,639 Speaker 1: not like I've got a hotline to LAPD or to 288 00:18:08,680 --> 00:18:09,719 Speaker 1: the medical examiner. As all. 289 00:18:10,040 --> 00:18:11,080 Speaker 2: They aren't saying anything. 290 00:18:11,160 --> 00:18:14,480 Speaker 1: They ain't saying nothing, brother, I mean, it is locked 291 00:18:14,480 --> 00:18:19,679 Speaker 1: down tight. However, with the course of last week. Uh, 292 00:18:20,000 --> 00:18:22,840 Speaker 1: I'm not going to say that it's like a gigantic 293 00:18:23,080 --> 00:18:26,520 Speaker 1: bomb that was dropped and suddenly all things are you know, 294 00:18:26,560 --> 00:18:29,200 Speaker 1: to go back to what we first mentioned, all things 295 00:18:29,240 --> 00:18:33,479 Speaker 1: are illuminated. Now, however, we have been I don't know, 296 00:18:33,520 --> 00:18:36,520 Speaker 1: here's a good word. Uh, we've been in an information 297 00:18:36,680 --> 00:18:39,840 Speaker 1: drought recently about this case. And this case has been 298 00:18:39,880 --> 00:18:42,359 Speaker 1: on the tip of everybody's tongue, you know, because people 299 00:18:42,400 --> 00:18:45,040 Speaker 1: want to know you're talking. You're talking about a child. 300 00:18:46,119 --> 00:18:49,280 Speaker 1: You're talking about a child that has allegedly, allegedly been 301 00:18:49,320 --> 00:18:56,119 Speaker 1: dismembered and hidden sequestered in a car. Dave revealed to 302 00:18:56,200 --> 00:18:58,480 Speaker 1: us again your take on this, because I know that 303 00:18:58,560 --> 00:19:00,960 Speaker 1: your neck deep in this thing and you're watching the 304 00:19:00,960 --> 00:19:01,879 Speaker 1: wires on all of this. 305 00:19:02,040 --> 00:19:06,040 Speaker 2: I'm so frustrated. And I told you this. TMZ breaks 306 00:19:06,080 --> 00:19:09,679 Speaker 2: a lot of cases, and in this case, TMZ they 307 00:19:09,720 --> 00:19:16,400 Speaker 2: called Celeste Reeve's parents, did selet's have a tattoo? How 308 00:19:16,440 --> 00:19:19,840 Speaker 2: are they getting this information? Somebody in the LAPD is 309 00:19:19,840 --> 00:19:23,480 Speaker 2: feeding them information because they know about the tattoo or 310 00:19:23,520 --> 00:19:25,719 Speaker 2: hair or clothing. I mean, they know things that they 311 00:19:25,720 --> 00:19:29,280 Speaker 2: can only know by getting information from the inside, inside sources. 312 00:19:29,600 --> 00:19:35,720 Speaker 2: There's nothing official, nothing official, Joe, but there is information 313 00:19:35,800 --> 00:19:40,840 Speaker 2: now coming out of LAPD that makes sense what we 314 00:19:40,960 --> 00:19:44,639 Speaker 2: heard this past week. Joseph Scott Morgan is very direct. 315 00:19:44,920 --> 00:19:46,760 Speaker 2: We talked about the search warrant at the house and 316 00:19:46,800 --> 00:19:48,639 Speaker 2: what they may or may not have found, how they 317 00:19:48,640 --> 00:19:52,720 Speaker 2: would have found it, but what if police after By 318 00:19:52,720 --> 00:19:55,800 Speaker 2: the way police have said they have talked again leaking 319 00:19:55,840 --> 00:20:00,840 Speaker 2: this information. D four VD has a very height circle 320 00:20:00,960 --> 00:20:02,960 Speaker 2: of friends who were staying in the house with them. 321 00:20:03,119 --> 00:20:06,159 Speaker 2: They identified them by finding, well, you know, if you 322 00:20:06,240 --> 00:20:08,119 Speaker 2: sleep in a room in a house, how you have 323 00:20:08,200 --> 00:20:11,320 Speaker 2: things on your nightstand? Yeah, you know, maybe a charger 324 00:20:11,359 --> 00:20:13,600 Speaker 2: of phone or what things that are yours and only 325 00:20:13,640 --> 00:20:16,720 Speaker 2: yours yep. And the police were able to identify, Oh, 326 00:20:16,800 --> 00:20:19,760 Speaker 2: this was Joseph Scott Morgan's room, Oh this was Dave 327 00:20:19,840 --> 00:20:22,639 Speaker 2: max room. They already know the people involved and now 328 00:20:22,640 --> 00:20:25,199 Speaker 2: they know where they were sleeping. So they've gotten that 329 00:20:25,320 --> 00:20:27,439 Speaker 2: involved in this case to know the inner circle, and 330 00:20:27,480 --> 00:20:30,240 Speaker 2: police have talked with the inner circle. They haven't gotten 331 00:20:30,280 --> 00:20:32,400 Speaker 2: the full picture from any one of them. It's all 332 00:20:32,400 --> 00:20:36,000 Speaker 2: been compartmentalized, but getting information from this one and from 333 00:20:36,040 --> 00:20:40,640 Speaker 2: that one have led them into believing that Celeste Reeves 334 00:20:42,200 --> 00:20:47,520 Speaker 2: died in the spring of this year spring twenty twenty five. 335 00:20:47,880 --> 00:20:52,439 Speaker 1: Wait, hang on, this completely changes the tomeline that we 336 00:20:52,440 --> 00:20:54,200 Speaker 1: were originally given. Correct. 337 00:20:54,560 --> 00:20:59,159 Speaker 2: Well, yeah, because but our timeline, Joe, I remember how 338 00:20:59,160 --> 00:21:02,040 Speaker 2: I told you we starting the middle. Yeh. We start 339 00:21:02,080 --> 00:21:05,840 Speaker 2: with the car being towed, and you know that's a marker, Okay, 340 00:21:05,960 --> 00:21:08,640 Speaker 2: put a marker in the day it's Toad. And then 341 00:21:08,680 --> 00:21:12,240 Speaker 2: three days later the smell attracts had called the cops, 342 00:21:12,400 --> 00:21:15,760 Speaker 2: and then we have a body. But then you're going, Okay, 343 00:21:16,000 --> 00:21:18,400 Speaker 2: where was this car when it was Toad? How long 344 00:21:18,440 --> 00:21:20,280 Speaker 2: it had been in that spot? Okay, it had been 345 00:21:20,280 --> 00:21:22,840 Speaker 2: in that spot since July twenty ninth, twenty twenty five, 346 00:21:23,160 --> 00:21:27,000 Speaker 2: until it was Toad January fifth, I mean September fifth 347 00:21:27,080 --> 00:21:30,840 Speaker 2: rather or third. Anyway, it hadn't moved after July twenty ninth, 348 00:21:30,880 --> 00:21:33,840 Speaker 2: so and nothing was put in or taken out after 349 00:21:33,960 --> 00:21:39,520 Speaker 2: July twenty ninth. So common sense dictates Celestieva's body was 350 00:21:39,640 --> 00:21:44,080 Speaker 2: in that car in the condition she was later found, 351 00:21:44,080 --> 00:21:51,160 Speaker 2: although more decomposed later. But we don't know if how 352 00:21:51,200 --> 00:21:54,080 Speaker 2: long she had been in there before then, because so 353 00:21:54,280 --> 00:21:57,360 Speaker 2: July twenty ninth last time it was moved. But now 354 00:21:57,359 --> 00:22:01,119 Speaker 2: they're saying that she Celeste could killed died in the 355 00:22:01,119 --> 00:22:05,560 Speaker 2: spring of twenty twenty five. But they also say something 356 00:22:05,640 --> 00:22:13,720 Speaker 2: else d four VD David Burke in the spring of 357 00:22:13,840 --> 00:22:19,119 Speaker 2: twenty twenty five took an unusual trip in the middle 358 00:22:19,160 --> 00:22:28,480 Speaker 2: of the night, driving two hours up the coast Santa 359 00:22:28,480 --> 00:22:32,720 Speaker 2: Barbara County. Yeah, where there is a lot of area 360 00:22:33,240 --> 00:22:40,679 Speaker 2: that is very difficult terrain last, yes, very rural terrain. 361 00:22:41,160 --> 00:22:41,360 Speaker 1: Yeah. 362 00:22:42,560 --> 00:22:45,600 Speaker 2: They the leaked information is that David Burke in the 363 00:22:45,600 --> 00:22:49,520 Speaker 2: spring of twenty twenty five took him in the middle 364 00:22:49,560 --> 00:22:53,399 Speaker 2: of the night drive up and spent several hours in 365 00:22:53,440 --> 00:22:58,680 Speaker 2: a very rural area of Santa Barbara County before returning. So, Joe, 366 00:22:58,840 --> 00:23:02,000 Speaker 2: you're an investigator, You've seen these things before. They are 367 00:23:02,160 --> 00:23:05,000 Speaker 2: they're leaking that they believe she died in the early 368 00:23:05,080 --> 00:23:06,879 Speaker 2: spring of twenty twenty five. They believe he took a 369 00:23:06,920 --> 00:23:09,360 Speaker 2: trip in early spring twenty twenty five to this very 370 00:23:09,440 --> 00:23:13,240 Speaker 2: rural area of Santa Barbara County. And what are we 371 00:23:13,320 --> 00:23:16,640 Speaker 2: let putting two and two together, What are we looking for? 372 00:23:17,000 --> 00:23:19,840 Speaker 2: What are we going to find? What kind of evidence 373 00:23:20,480 --> 00:23:25,720 Speaker 2: if it's the last revas was taken in the middle 374 00:23:25,720 --> 00:23:27,600 Speaker 2: of the night out into the middle of nowhere and killed. 375 00:23:28,200 --> 00:23:29,800 Speaker 2: I mean, I don't even know where to begin with. 376 00:23:30,040 --> 00:23:33,119 Speaker 1: Well, this is okay, you asked me as an investigator, 377 00:23:33,160 --> 00:23:34,639 Speaker 1: one of the things I'm going to be interested in 378 00:23:34,720 --> 00:23:37,679 Speaker 1: is the geo tracking here, because I want to know 379 00:23:39,080 --> 00:23:42,480 Speaker 1: if you've got it narrowed down like that, they've got 380 00:23:42,560 --> 00:23:48,080 Speaker 1: data that is suggesting they have a specific destination. Okay, 381 00:23:48,880 --> 00:23:52,480 Speaker 1: because it's not like they're saying, well, he drove up north, 382 00:23:52,560 --> 00:23:55,480 Speaker 1: all right, that's not what they're saying. You just said 383 00:23:55,480 --> 00:23:59,400 Speaker 1: it just second of rural Santa Barbara County, right, okay. 384 00:24:00,480 --> 00:24:03,919 Speaker 1: And by the way, Keimmy and I have made that 385 00:24:03,960 --> 00:24:06,640 Speaker 1: trip by train from Los Angeles. Suddenly, if you've never 386 00:24:06,720 --> 00:24:11,239 Speaker 1: done this, by the way, you come out of the 387 00:24:11,280 --> 00:24:14,359 Speaker 1: dirtiness of Los Angeles on a train and you start 388 00:24:14,359 --> 00:24:17,440 Speaker 1: that trip north. This one of the most beautiful journeys 389 00:24:17,480 --> 00:24:20,479 Speaker 1: I've ever been on in my life. You're you're running 390 00:24:20,640 --> 00:24:24,840 Speaker 1: literally adjacent to the America song was just one of 391 00:24:24,920 --> 00:24:28,000 Speaker 1: my favorite songs, Ventura Highway. All right, So you're you're 392 00:24:28,080 --> 00:24:31,480 Speaker 1: running through this countryside on this train. It's absolutely gorgeous. 393 00:24:33,320 --> 00:24:37,359 Speaker 1: But what's your destination? And here's another thing with the 394 00:24:37,440 --> 00:24:44,800 Speaker 1: geo tracking, I'm wondering, are they downloading data off this tesla. 395 00:24:45,080 --> 00:24:49,600 Speaker 1: Was a tesla involved? Okay. Also, the other thing that 396 00:24:49,640 --> 00:24:55,720 Speaker 1: we have to consider is the idea that perhaps phones 397 00:24:55,720 --> 00:24:59,840 Speaker 1: are pinging. All right, and when I remember what I did, 398 00:24:59,880 --> 00:25:03,760 Speaker 1: you hear what I said that was plural phones, and 399 00:25:04,040 --> 00:25:09,800 Speaker 1: you had mentioned that they suspect that whoever did this 400 00:25:10,240 --> 00:25:13,800 Speaker 1: they have assistance. I don't know about you, and I 401 00:25:13,840 --> 00:25:17,080 Speaker 1: hate to say this about myself. I know you have 402 00:25:17,200 --> 00:25:20,200 Speaker 1: this boat anchor around your neck as well. We both 403 00:25:20,240 --> 00:25:22,960 Speaker 1: carry these damn things in our pocket everywhere we go. 404 00:25:23,080 --> 00:25:26,119 Speaker 1: We don't have a moment's piece, right, and that's just 405 00:25:26,160 --> 00:25:28,560 Speaker 1: the nature of who we are. It's like an appendage. Now, 406 00:25:29,040 --> 00:25:31,520 Speaker 1: so we carry phones with us everywhere we go, and 407 00:25:31,720 --> 00:25:34,080 Speaker 1: so many of these cases we've covered are going to 408 00:25:34,119 --> 00:25:37,640 Speaker 1: fall back to phones. But now in addition to that, 409 00:25:38,640 --> 00:25:42,480 Speaker 1: you got a tesla, dude, that's tracking your every move, 410 00:25:42,920 --> 00:25:45,040 Speaker 1: you know, no matter where you go. Yeah, it's all cool. 411 00:25:45,160 --> 00:25:47,920 Speaker 1: I can run off a battery power and so forth 412 00:25:47,960 --> 00:25:53,480 Speaker 1: and so on. But this thing is it's marking. It's marking, 413 00:25:53,680 --> 00:25:57,040 Speaker 1: you know, those hard benchmarks that you can go From 414 00:25:57,080 --> 00:26:01,879 Speaker 1: an electronic forensics perspective, this would be like if you 415 00:26:02,040 --> 00:26:10,159 Speaker 1: were an investigator in electronic forensics. This is like jackpot, Okay, 416 00:26:11,040 --> 00:26:14,800 Speaker 1: it's not like you're driving your grandpappy's nineteen seventy three 417 00:26:14,960 --> 00:26:18,159 Speaker 1: Chevy pickup truck. All right, it's not the not the 418 00:26:18,160 --> 00:26:22,040 Speaker 1: deal here. And I find it interesting that this remains 419 00:26:22,080 --> 00:26:24,520 Speaker 1: that were found, you know, were found within the trunk 420 00:26:24,560 --> 00:26:27,159 Speaker 1: of this car. You have to think that that's going 421 00:26:27,240 --> 00:26:31,480 Speaker 1: to be at least considered I'm not saying this absolute 422 00:26:32,240 --> 00:26:36,679 Speaker 1: that that would be the conveyance of the remains. And 423 00:26:36,720 --> 00:26:39,439 Speaker 1: how anybody in the right mind nowadays could think that 424 00:26:39,520 --> 00:26:42,359 Speaker 1: this car is not going to have revealing I think 425 00:26:42,400 --> 00:26:45,640 Speaker 1: the big thing here is that I think people you know, 426 00:26:45,760 --> 00:26:48,359 Speaker 1: and this is this is this has always been the case. 427 00:26:48,480 --> 00:26:51,400 Speaker 1: People always think they're never going to get caught. All right, 428 00:26:52,359 --> 00:26:55,800 Speaker 1: You're as how small that percentage is nowadays in the 429 00:26:55,800 --> 00:26:58,000 Speaker 1: world that we live in. This goes back to electronic 430 00:26:58,080 --> 00:27:03,119 Speaker 1: data data. You can't escape that. And even even nowadays, 431 00:27:03,119 --> 00:27:04,960 Speaker 1: they're going to say things to you. Let's just say 432 00:27:05,000 --> 00:27:08,960 Speaker 1: you're in a pre tracking car, you know nothing. If 433 00:27:08,960 --> 00:27:10,840 Speaker 1: you've got your phone, one of the questions they're going 434 00:27:10,880 --> 00:27:12,959 Speaker 1: to ask they're going to ask you is like, hey man, 435 00:27:13,280 --> 00:27:15,160 Speaker 1: why's your phone got dead? At this point in time, 436 00:27:15,440 --> 00:27:17,080 Speaker 1: Why is it that it just goes dark. Let's just 437 00:27:17,080 --> 00:27:19,760 Speaker 1: say you leave your phone at home. That's that's actually 438 00:27:19,840 --> 00:27:23,400 Speaker 1: a legitimate investigative question. Now that's something that twenty years 439 00:27:23,400 --> 00:27:26,879 Speaker 1: ago we would not have even considered. Man, never come Burger. 440 00:27:27,520 --> 00:27:30,880 Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly why is exactly going off during this time 441 00:27:30,920 --> 00:27:35,200 Speaker 2: period where we saw you leaving your place in Pullman, Washington, 442 00:27:35,960 --> 00:27:38,600 Speaker 2: And it makes no sense that you turned it off 443 00:27:38,640 --> 00:27:40,600 Speaker 2: there and it turned back on here. That makes no 444 00:27:40,680 --> 00:27:43,639 Speaker 2: sense because it's inconsistent with the behavior of human beings. 445 00:27:43,960 --> 00:27:45,760 Speaker 1: But Braveview World. 446 00:27:45,920 --> 00:27:49,439 Speaker 2: Yeah, so they've been able to again, this is all 447 00:27:49,560 --> 00:27:52,280 Speaker 2: leaked information. Nothing is every bit of the labed. 448 00:27:52,080 --> 00:27:53,160 Speaker 1: Every John tittle Man. 449 00:27:53,240 --> 00:27:56,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, and so they're leaking info that he takes this 450 00:27:56,160 --> 00:27:57,720 Speaker 2: trip in the middle of the night. Well, there's other 451 00:27:57,760 --> 00:28:00,280 Speaker 2: information that we got from a private investigator or who 452 00:28:00,359 --> 00:28:03,200 Speaker 2: was hired by the owner of the mansion to go. 453 00:28:03,280 --> 00:28:05,480 Speaker 2: He wants the owner found out who was living in 454 00:28:05,520 --> 00:28:08,400 Speaker 2: the house D four VD because again, remember he didn't 455 00:28:08,400 --> 00:28:11,280 Speaker 2: rent the house, his manager in Texas did. The house 456 00:28:11,320 --> 00:28:14,840 Speaker 2: was rented for Bird. So when the owner of the 457 00:28:14,880 --> 00:28:18,159 Speaker 2: home finds out this guy was living there and now 458 00:28:18,160 --> 00:28:20,199 Speaker 2: there's a dead body in his car. He wants to 459 00:28:20,240 --> 00:28:22,679 Speaker 2: know what happened in the house that I own, so 460 00:28:22,760 --> 00:28:25,439 Speaker 2: he hires a PI. P I goes in there, and 461 00:28:25,440 --> 00:28:27,439 Speaker 2: this is after police have already gone over the place, 462 00:28:27,880 --> 00:28:31,760 Speaker 2: After police have already gone he finds equipment he says, 463 00:28:31,840 --> 00:28:34,560 Speaker 2: would not be normal to be found inside a Hollywood 464 00:28:34,640 --> 00:28:36,919 Speaker 2: Hills home. It would be more in tune with being 465 00:28:37,119 --> 00:28:41,200 Speaker 2: found on a farm, something you would find in a 466 00:28:41,320 --> 00:28:45,160 Speaker 2: rural area, not in a Hollywood Hills home. Like I 467 00:28:45,200 --> 00:28:49,600 Speaker 2: don't know, chainsaw so sharp implements like a nassa guy 468 00:28:49,800 --> 00:28:52,080 Speaker 2: or a what do you call it, a sling blade? 469 00:28:52,360 --> 00:28:57,040 Speaker 2: You know, any number of things that he won't be 470 00:28:57,200 --> 00:29:00,200 Speaker 2: very specific because he's a PI and you know he's 471 00:29:00,240 --> 00:29:03,200 Speaker 2: only get held accountable for what he's just being general 472 00:29:03,320 --> 00:29:07,800 Speaker 2: and saying these farm implements. But Joe, why is. 473 00:29:07,800 --> 00:29:10,640 Speaker 1: That a bizarre way? That's a bizarre phraseology. 474 00:29:10,640 --> 00:29:14,000 Speaker 2: Wouldn't you agree with that? And I'm having been on 475 00:29:14,160 --> 00:29:16,640 Speaker 2: shows with him, I'm going, man, just tell me what 476 00:29:16,680 --> 00:29:20,480 Speaker 2: you found, please, brother love. But it makes sense now. 477 00:29:20,800 --> 00:29:23,160 Speaker 2: It didn't make sense before because we didn't know about 478 00:29:23,200 --> 00:29:26,440 Speaker 2: the police knowing about this strip. And remember the police 479 00:29:26,480 --> 00:29:30,280 Speaker 2: have not confirmed any of this. These are leaked, stories leaked. 480 00:29:31,720 --> 00:29:35,480 Speaker 2: But now if there were these pieces of equipment that 481 00:29:35,480 --> 00:29:37,960 Speaker 2: one would not expect to find in a Hollywood, Hollywood 482 00:29:38,000 --> 00:29:41,160 Speaker 2: Hills home, but rather something we'd have in our garage probably. 483 00:29:42,520 --> 00:29:44,680 Speaker 2: But now we find out he's gone to the middle 484 00:29:44,720 --> 00:29:48,720 Speaker 2: of nowhere, two hours away from his house, stays there 485 00:29:48,760 --> 00:29:50,640 Speaker 2: for several hours, and what we tell you at the 486 00:29:50,720 --> 00:29:54,160 Speaker 2: beginning of the police believe he had help. They believed 487 00:29:54,160 --> 00:30:01,000 Speaker 2: that they believed that the person who killed so Lesreevus 488 00:30:01,640 --> 00:30:06,120 Speaker 2: had help in dismembering her body. Oh now, what does 489 00:30:06,160 --> 00:30:09,040 Speaker 2: that mean to the crime scene, Joe, if they didn't 490 00:30:09,080 --> 00:30:10,920 Speaker 2: find what they were looking for in the house, at 491 00:30:11,000 --> 00:30:11,920 Speaker 2: least not in total. 492 00:30:14,080 --> 00:30:16,400 Speaker 1: Yeah, one of the things I'm thinking about, because you know, 493 00:30:16,560 --> 00:30:22,560 Speaker 1: we keep talking about this county, Yeah, that a lot 494 00:30:22,600 --> 00:30:25,960 Speaker 1: of fabulously wealthy people live in by the way, all 495 00:30:26,080 --> 00:30:28,840 Speaker 1: right and adjacent to this area, People that can afford 496 00:30:28,880 --> 00:30:33,720 Speaker 1: to live in that area, and they live in that area. 497 00:30:33,840 --> 00:30:36,000 Speaker 1: And I'll just with a wink and a night I'll 498 00:30:36,000 --> 00:30:39,000 Speaker 1: say that if they have to work in Hollywood, a 499 00:30:39,080 --> 00:30:44,200 Speaker 1: helicopter will pick them up. Okay, that's how exclusive many 500 00:30:44,240 --> 00:30:48,880 Speaker 1: of these areas are up in this location. And yeah, 501 00:30:48,960 --> 00:30:51,600 Speaker 1: I mean, I would have to think, what would be 502 00:30:51,640 --> 00:30:54,280 Speaker 1: your purpose for going up there and. 503 00:30:54,480 --> 00:30:56,320 Speaker 2: In the middle of the night, in the middle of 504 00:30:56,320 --> 00:30:56,800 Speaker 2: the night. 505 00:30:56,680 --> 00:31:02,120 Speaker 1: And was the body in transit along with this individual? 506 00:31:02,720 --> 00:31:05,600 Speaker 1: Why would you take a body up there? And if 507 00:31:05,600 --> 00:31:09,840 Speaker 1: you're you know, if you factor in dismemberment, okay, if 508 00:31:09,880 --> 00:31:12,840 Speaker 1: you're not doing it in the house, if you go 509 00:31:12,920 --> 00:31:17,760 Speaker 1: to a rural, isolated area, are you going to have 510 00:31:18,040 --> 00:31:20,800 Speaker 1: because now I begin to think about tools of dismemberment, 511 00:31:21,200 --> 00:31:24,520 Speaker 1: stuff that you have around the house. Okay, And I'm 512 00:31:24,520 --> 00:31:26,720 Speaker 1: not saying that people in the Hollywood Hills don't do 513 00:31:26,800 --> 00:31:30,120 Speaker 1: their own lawns, but I'd say a significant percentage of 514 00:31:30,160 --> 00:31:32,400 Speaker 1: them don't. You're going to have a gardener that's going 515 00:31:32,480 --> 00:31:34,640 Speaker 1: to come in and they're going to trembush us for you. 516 00:31:34,680 --> 00:31:36,720 Speaker 1: They're going to cut down trees. I don't even know 517 00:31:36,720 --> 00:31:38,920 Speaker 1: if Los Angeles County allows you to cut down trees, 518 00:31:38,960 --> 00:31:43,040 Speaker 1: A highly no idea. And so but anyway, beside the point, 519 00:31:44,720 --> 00:31:47,520 Speaker 1: so what type of implements would be used, Well, you 520 00:31:47,600 --> 00:31:51,480 Speaker 1: begin to think about human powered instruments, you know, we 521 00:31:51,640 --> 00:31:53,720 Speaker 1: go down the list and we begin to think about 522 00:31:54,600 --> 00:31:58,280 Speaker 1: we'll say axes and saws, all right, right, Well, with 523 00:31:58,320 --> 00:32:02,600 Speaker 1: axes and saws from a tool perspective, you're going to 524 00:32:02,640 --> 00:32:10,960 Speaker 1: have very specific markings on bone that can be linked 525 00:32:11,080 --> 00:32:14,440 Speaker 1: back to an implement. Okay, so if we're talking about 526 00:32:15,080 --> 00:32:17,560 Speaker 1: if you're talking about an old carpenter saw, and just 527 00:32:17,720 --> 00:32:20,080 Speaker 1: envision if you may, if you if you guys are 528 00:32:20,120 --> 00:32:23,200 Speaker 1: familiar with this, an old wooden handle saw, like you 529 00:32:23,280 --> 00:32:26,040 Speaker 1: might see Grandpappy using over a saw horse, you know, 530 00:32:26,080 --> 00:32:28,720 Speaker 1: where you're sawing two by four us or whatnot, very 531 00:32:28,760 --> 00:32:33,720 Speaker 1: bold teeth, very you know present, you know you see 532 00:32:33,760 --> 00:32:36,640 Speaker 1: this and if you look down, if you ever do this, 533 00:32:36,800 --> 00:32:39,080 Speaker 1: do yourself a favor. And this is fascinating. I just 534 00:32:39,160 --> 00:32:43,840 Speaker 1: taught a big section on dismemberment with my class. One 535 00:32:43,880 --> 00:32:46,320 Speaker 1: of classes I teach, if you look down the long 536 00:32:46,360 --> 00:32:49,160 Speaker 1: asket access of a saw, did you know that the 537 00:32:49,280 --> 00:32:53,400 Speaker 1: teeth are actually kind of offset from one another, And 538 00:32:53,480 --> 00:32:57,600 Speaker 1: so when you look at that, it leaves a very 539 00:32:57,640 --> 00:33:00,400 Speaker 1: distinctive marking. If the saw has been used for tracted 540 00:33:00,440 --> 00:33:03,120 Speaker 1: period of time, it actually takes on its own signature. 541 00:33:03,880 --> 00:33:08,880 Speaker 1: So every time you draw a saw across bone, that 542 00:33:09,040 --> 00:33:13,560 Speaker 1: mark will be specific to that saw. And inevitably what 543 00:33:13,760 --> 00:33:19,480 Speaker 1: happens is is that with this dismendment process, you'll have 544 00:33:19,520 --> 00:33:21,400 Speaker 1: what to refer I refer to them. This is kind 545 00:33:21,400 --> 00:33:26,040 Speaker 1: of my terminology stop starts. So if you've ever saw 546 00:33:26,120 --> 00:33:29,960 Speaker 1: a piece of wood, if you've ever attempted to begin 547 00:33:30,040 --> 00:33:33,120 Speaker 1: the process, many people will readjust the saw and put 548 00:33:33,120 --> 00:33:37,360 Speaker 1: it on, and they create parallel markings. Okay, so you'll 549 00:33:37,400 --> 00:33:41,680 Speaker 1: have multiple impressions on this. They might quit in the 550 00:33:41,720 --> 00:33:45,200 Speaker 1: middle of it, and then they'll start over again. Because remember, 551 00:33:46,200 --> 00:33:49,280 Speaker 1: most people that are dismembering bodies, unless there's some kind 552 00:33:49,280 --> 00:33:54,600 Speaker 1: of like just complete psychopath that has had a vast 553 00:33:54,640 --> 00:33:59,160 Speaker 1: experience with this, or maybe they're butchers, they're not used 554 00:33:59,200 --> 00:34:02,360 Speaker 1: to doing this. There's a kind of this revulsion that 555 00:34:02,480 --> 00:34:06,760 Speaker 1: takes place on the you know, on the part of 556 00:34:06,800 --> 00:34:09,480 Speaker 1: the perpetrator, like I can't believe I'm doing this. I've 557 00:34:09,880 --> 00:34:11,600 Speaker 1: I've got a leg in front of me, I've got 558 00:34:11,640 --> 00:34:13,560 Speaker 1: an arm in front of me. And by the way, 559 00:34:13,600 --> 00:34:15,360 Speaker 1: I'm having trouble because I have to go through the 560 00:34:15,360 --> 00:34:16,319 Speaker 1: soft tissue. 561 00:34:16,000 --> 00:34:16,479 Speaker 2: To get there. 562 00:34:17,400 --> 00:34:25,000 Speaker 1: Well, it's a learning process. You learn that granddad's carpenter 563 00:34:25,080 --> 00:34:27,880 Speaker 1: saw doesn't work real well on soft tissue. So what 564 00:34:27,920 --> 00:34:28,400 Speaker 1: do you have to do? 565 00:34:28,440 --> 00:34:28,600 Speaker 2: Then? 566 00:34:28,719 --> 00:34:32,520 Speaker 1: Well, now you bring a sharp instrument in like a 567 00:34:32,600 --> 00:34:36,440 Speaker 1: knife blade, and you have to cut through, cut through 568 00:34:37,120 --> 00:34:39,520 Speaker 1: the soft tissue to get to the bone in order 569 00:34:39,560 --> 00:34:43,400 Speaker 1: to use the saw, which you have to, you know, 570 00:34:44,360 --> 00:34:49,560 Speaker 1: use in order to dismember. Most people that are involve 571 00:34:49,640 --> 00:34:54,720 Speaker 1: themselves in dismemberment don't go directly to the weakest points. 572 00:34:54,880 --> 00:34:58,840 Speaker 1: They'll start like midshaft instead of going to like a joint, 573 00:34:59,080 --> 00:35:02,200 Speaker 1: like a knee joint or hip or an ankle joint 574 00:35:02,920 --> 00:35:08,279 Speaker 1: and cut through those structures and they'll just go I mean, 575 00:35:08,320 --> 00:35:11,000 Speaker 1: can you imagine, I mean, just think about the Just 576 00:35:11,040 --> 00:35:14,960 Speaker 1: think about how robust somebody's thigh is, all right, and 577 00:35:15,040 --> 00:35:17,960 Speaker 1: you're going to take a saw and you're actually going 578 00:35:18,000 --> 00:35:20,480 Speaker 1: to put it over the surface of the skin and 579 00:35:20,600 --> 00:35:23,960 Speaker 1: draw it back over that. Well, dude, you've got to 580 00:35:24,080 --> 00:35:26,560 Speaker 1: you've got to make several motions. And I'm not talking 581 00:35:26,560 --> 00:35:28,600 Speaker 1: about several I'm talking about it. It has to be really 582 00:35:28,680 --> 00:35:31,400 Speaker 1: robust to go back and forth to trim away the 583 00:35:31,480 --> 00:35:35,759 Speaker 1: material are the not the tissue rather not material, to 584 00:35:35,840 --> 00:35:39,560 Speaker 1: get down to the level of where the actual business 585 00:35:39,600 --> 00:35:45,080 Speaker 1: is conducted, where you're trying to take that tissue away 586 00:35:45,200 --> 00:35:47,080 Speaker 1: so that you can get down to the bone and 587 00:35:47,120 --> 00:35:49,040 Speaker 1: still when you get down to the bone. Let's say 588 00:35:49,040 --> 00:35:50,879 Speaker 1: you make it all the way through the bone. All right, 589 00:35:51,000 --> 00:35:57,600 Speaker 1: you're with me. On the backside of this saw incision, 590 00:35:57,960 --> 00:36:00,279 Speaker 1: You've still got soft tissue underlying it. If we're just 591 00:36:00,280 --> 00:36:02,480 Speaker 1: talking about a human thought. So now you've got to 592 00:36:02,480 --> 00:36:06,239 Speaker 1: cut your way through that. So all the while, not 593 00:36:06,280 --> 00:36:10,680 Speaker 1: only is the implement that you're using, is it gathering, 594 00:36:10,880 --> 00:36:15,040 Speaker 1: it's gathering tissue all along the way, and you're making 595 00:36:15,120 --> 00:36:20,160 Speaker 1: other marks along the way too. It's a very frustrating process. 596 00:36:20,280 --> 00:36:22,400 Speaker 1: You know, if you work in the morgue, you have 597 00:36:22,480 --> 00:36:27,239 Speaker 1: access to scalpels that are you know, surgical steel. I 598 00:36:27,280 --> 00:36:30,799 Speaker 1: mean it's very very sharp, but even even and I'll 599 00:36:30,800 --> 00:36:33,640 Speaker 1: give you from my perspective of working in the morgue 600 00:36:35,360 --> 00:36:39,680 Speaker 1: and being involved in autopsies for so long, they there 601 00:36:39,719 --> 00:36:43,920 Speaker 1: are cases where I generally prefer a number twenty two 602 00:36:43,960 --> 00:36:46,680 Speaker 1: scalpel blade. That's what I use, okay, to do pro 603 00:36:46,760 --> 00:36:54,240 Speaker 1: sections with. So even with that blade, surgical steel, dependent 604 00:36:54,320 --> 00:37:02,080 Speaker 1: upon tissue thickness, I might have to use to scalpel 605 00:37:02,120 --> 00:37:06,319 Speaker 1: blades in order to facilitate an incision just on the 606 00:37:06,360 --> 00:37:08,080 Speaker 1: app the chest and the abnue. And you know the 607 00:37:08,120 --> 00:37:10,160 Speaker 1: standard why incision. You always hear that, you read that 608 00:37:10,200 --> 00:37:12,799 Speaker 1: in autopsy reports and all that stuff. Just to do that, 609 00:37:12,880 --> 00:37:17,640 Speaker 1: and a lot of that's dependent upon how large the 610 00:37:17,719 --> 00:37:21,799 Speaker 1: person is. I've actually had to use up to up 611 00:37:21,840 --> 00:37:25,560 Speaker 1: to four scalpel blades, dependent upon, you know, how weighty 612 00:37:25,760 --> 00:37:28,439 Speaker 1: the person was in order just to get through that. 613 00:37:28,800 --> 00:37:32,319 Speaker 1: You don't have access to People that conduct dismemberments don't 614 00:37:32,320 --> 00:37:36,279 Speaker 1: have access to those tools. You're talking about people that 615 00:37:36,280 --> 00:37:40,800 Speaker 1: are going into their kitchen to retrieve a steak knife 616 00:37:40,920 --> 00:37:44,200 Speaker 1: with a serrated edge, or maybe they think I'm going 617 00:37:44,239 --> 00:37:46,839 Speaker 1: to use a butcher knife. And you'll see on these 618 00:37:46,880 --> 00:37:52,839 Speaker 1: cases day you'll see them literally they're experiencing difficulty. They'll 619 00:37:52,880 --> 00:37:55,400 Speaker 1: run through several tools until they land on one that 620 00:37:55,440 --> 00:37:57,600 Speaker 1: they want to use, and they're having to fight all 621 00:37:57,640 --> 00:38:02,399 Speaker 1: the time this objectionable event that they're involved in. 622 00:38:04,239 --> 00:38:04,279 Speaker 2: It. 623 00:38:04,760 --> 00:38:07,800 Speaker 1: It's not like clean and clinical, is what I'm saying. 624 00:38:08,400 --> 00:38:10,640 Speaker 1: So the more confused you are, and I think anybody 625 00:38:10,719 --> 00:38:14,600 Speaker 1: can identify with this, Okay, the more confuse you are 626 00:38:14,840 --> 00:38:20,399 Speaker 1: about a process, it gives you pause because it's like, okay, 627 00:38:20,400 --> 00:38:24,279 Speaker 1: I'm doing this wrong, all right, You've done things like 628 00:38:24,320 --> 00:38:26,640 Speaker 1: this in your life. You're you don't have the right tools. 629 00:38:26,640 --> 00:38:30,440 Speaker 1: You show up for it. Well, dismemberment, as grotesque as 630 00:38:30,440 --> 00:38:32,960 Speaker 1: this is, is not too dissimilar from that. And then you 631 00:38:33,040 --> 00:38:36,839 Speaker 1: put this heightened anxiety along with it. You wind up 632 00:38:36,920 --> 00:38:40,000 Speaker 1: creating a mess. You know. That's why, you know, when 633 00:38:40,040 --> 00:38:43,680 Speaker 1: we were talking about luminol, just just just the add 634 00:38:43,760 --> 00:38:48,040 Speaker 1: the idea that you're looking for blood. Okay, that in 635 00:38:48,120 --> 00:38:50,759 Speaker 1: and of itself, you think about the blood. We haven't 636 00:38:50,760 --> 00:38:53,240 Speaker 1: talked about the tissue. We haven't talked about the bone, dust, 637 00:38:53,360 --> 00:38:54,880 Speaker 1: everything else that's left behind. 638 00:38:55,560 --> 00:38:59,759 Speaker 2: I'm banking on the fact that the leaked information is 639 00:38:59,760 --> 00:39:02,879 Speaker 2: that she died in the spring of twenty twenty five. 640 00:39:03,440 --> 00:39:07,319 Speaker 2: The leaked information that Burke took a trip in the 641 00:39:07,320 --> 00:39:10,799 Speaker 2: middle of the night and spent multiple hours in one 642 00:39:10,840 --> 00:39:14,959 Speaker 2: location before returning in the spring of twenty twenty five. 643 00:39:16,800 --> 00:39:20,239 Speaker 2: The other leaked information. We've talked with every member of 644 00:39:20,320 --> 00:39:25,120 Speaker 2: the crew and we've gotten different not different stories, but 645 00:39:25,480 --> 00:39:29,040 Speaker 2: different parts of the story told by different individuals that 646 00:39:29,120 --> 00:39:32,120 Speaker 2: all fits together like a puzzle. And the leaked information 647 00:39:32,200 --> 00:39:40,479 Speaker 2: of course that well, they were in a relationship, so Joe. 648 00:39:42,239 --> 00:39:45,000 Speaker 2: With all the information police have, even though they haven't 649 00:39:45,040 --> 00:39:48,920 Speaker 2: they've only leaked it. They haven't done this official. It 650 00:39:48,960 --> 00:39:52,200 Speaker 2: looks like they have been able to piece together what 651 00:39:52,400 --> 00:39:55,319 Speaker 2: happened and when it happened. But we don't have the 652 00:39:55,360 --> 00:39:56,280 Speaker 2: cause of death yet. 653 00:39:56,440 --> 00:40:02,960 Speaker 1: No, we don't. We don't, and that is the big mystery. 654 00:40:03,040 --> 00:40:19,640 Speaker 1: And I've actually got another reveal about this. This is 655 00:40:19,680 --> 00:40:23,480 Speaker 1: such a big mystery, Dave, that every single bit of 656 00:40:23,560 --> 00:40:26,840 Speaker 1: data that's rolling in for the police to try to 657 00:40:26,880 --> 00:40:31,560 Speaker 1: work this thing, they're seeking anything that they can find 658 00:40:31,600 --> 00:40:33,520 Speaker 1: to tie this back. So it's not just going to 659 00:40:33,560 --> 00:40:35,640 Speaker 1: be about the electronics. It's not just going to be 660 00:40:35,640 --> 00:40:39,520 Speaker 1: about the injuries. It's not even going to be solely 661 00:40:39,560 --> 00:40:44,440 Speaker 1: tied up in the specific time like when the body 662 00:40:44,560 --> 00:40:49,960 Speaker 1: is eventually discovered and anything to Tesla. It's it. You know, 663 00:40:50,000 --> 00:40:52,040 Speaker 1: the environment is going to dictate a lot. We've talked 664 00:40:52,080 --> 00:40:58,120 Speaker 1: about environmental conditions and how heat you know, increases the 665 00:40:58,200 --> 00:41:01,520 Speaker 1: rate at which you know, bodies decay. Hey, it's not 666 00:41:01,600 --> 00:41:04,560 Speaker 1: just that the environment is also dictating something else in 667 00:41:04,600 --> 00:41:08,799 Speaker 1: that soil deposition as well. If if there was a 668 00:41:08,840 --> 00:41:12,760 Speaker 1: trip taken up there and you're going to be involved 669 00:41:12,800 --> 00:41:16,280 Speaker 1: in something as dark as a dismemberment in this isolated location, 670 00:41:17,680 --> 00:41:20,880 Speaker 1: that means that you're coming in contact with all of 671 00:41:20,920 --> 00:41:23,560 Speaker 1: the floor up there, you're also coming in contact with 672 00:41:23,680 --> 00:41:28,640 Speaker 1: the surface dirt. Okay, was she alive? I think it's 673 00:41:28,640 --> 00:41:30,520 Speaker 1: one of the questions. I'm not asking you that. I'm 674 00:41:30,560 --> 00:41:34,040 Speaker 1: just kind of throwing that out there, you know, and saying, 675 00:41:34,719 --> 00:41:38,160 Speaker 1: you know, was she alive? You know on the drive 676 00:41:38,239 --> 00:41:42,000 Speaker 1: up there, you know, and then she comes back and 677 00:41:42,040 --> 00:41:44,680 Speaker 1: she's deceased because we still at this point don't know 678 00:41:44,719 --> 00:41:47,600 Speaker 1: what they actually were covered in that house. Did the 679 00:41:47,600 --> 00:41:53,440 Speaker 1: fatal event occur up north in an isolated area? We 680 00:41:53,520 --> 00:41:56,359 Speaker 1: don't have a cause of death right and then she's 681 00:41:56,360 --> 00:42:01,400 Speaker 1: transported back down. Did a dismemberment event take place up there? 682 00:42:02,920 --> 00:42:05,799 Speaker 1: Or did her death occur up there and the dismemberment 683 00:42:05,840 --> 00:42:09,640 Speaker 1: event took place back in La I don't know. But 684 00:42:10,080 --> 00:42:13,200 Speaker 1: if I'm asking these questions, I know that in this 685 00:42:13,440 --> 00:42:19,560 Speaker 1: dynamic environment, you know, the La County Police are considering 686 00:42:19,600 --> 00:42:20,960 Speaker 1: all this. And let me give you one more if 687 00:42:21,000 --> 00:42:23,800 Speaker 1: you like that one. Not only now have they involved 688 00:42:24,280 --> 00:42:30,000 Speaker 1: LA County resources relative to to what occurred there in 689 00:42:30,040 --> 00:42:32,680 Speaker 1: the Hollywood Hills. Now you've got to share this office 690 00:42:32,760 --> 00:42:34,840 Speaker 1: up there involved to their investigators are going to be 691 00:42:34,840 --> 00:42:38,759 Speaker 1: involved in this and it would not surprise me on 692 00:42:38,800 --> 00:42:40,880 Speaker 1: any level if they have not reached out to the 693 00:42:40,920 --> 00:42:42,560 Speaker 1: FEDS in this case as well, Dave. 694 00:42:44,440 --> 00:42:47,000 Speaker 2: The one thing we still don't know is cause of death. 695 00:42:47,000 --> 00:42:52,120 Speaker 2: As we mentioned earlier, because the cause of death was deferred, 696 00:42:52,640 --> 00:42:55,720 Speaker 2: not an uncommon occurrence in Los Angeles County. Six hundred 697 00:42:55,760 --> 00:43:00,239 Speaker 2: and twenty five cases are currently on the books as 698 00:43:00,280 --> 00:43:04,480 Speaker 2: deferred for more testing. Waiting on toxicology, any number of 699 00:43:04,520 --> 00:43:07,840 Speaker 2: things is always it's not just toxicology. Sometimes other tests 700 00:43:07,880 --> 00:43:11,399 Speaker 2: have to be performed, and that's what they've left that 701 00:43:12,440 --> 00:43:16,640 Speaker 2: part open in that they don't know. And until they 702 00:43:16,680 --> 00:43:21,120 Speaker 2: actually know cause of death, everything's theoretical. Once they get 703 00:43:21,120 --> 00:43:23,680 Speaker 2: the cause of death, Joe, that's when we'll actually know something. 704 00:43:23,680 --> 00:43:26,120 Speaker 2: And it looks like something maybe moving in that direction. 705 00:43:26,680 --> 00:43:27,239 Speaker 1: Yeah. 706 00:43:27,320 --> 00:43:30,640 Speaker 2: Have you ever had a case where what happens if 707 00:43:30,680 --> 00:43:32,759 Speaker 2: they cannot find a true cause of death because the 708 00:43:32,840 --> 00:43:35,080 Speaker 2: remains were so whatever they are, you know that they 709 00:43:35,120 --> 00:43:36,920 Speaker 2: could Is there a way that you could actually have 710 00:43:37,000 --> 00:43:40,360 Speaker 2: some of that remains of somebody who died but you 711 00:43:40,440 --> 00:43:42,479 Speaker 2: don't know how they died, You don't know that cause 712 00:43:42,520 --> 00:43:44,040 Speaker 2: of death? What do you do with that? 713 00:43:44,400 --> 00:43:46,799 Speaker 1: Thank you for asking that question, because we hear this 714 00:43:46,880 --> 00:43:49,360 Speaker 1: all the time. I just don't know if it's applied 715 00:43:49,400 --> 00:43:54,600 Speaker 1: the same way in La Are specifically La County corner 716 00:43:54,640 --> 00:43:59,600 Speaker 1: slash medical examiner. And you know you've heard this, you 717 00:43:59,719 --> 00:44:04,080 Speaker 1: enough to talked about it non specific homicidal violence, And 718 00:44:04,160 --> 00:44:06,560 Speaker 1: let me explain the logic behind this. If you've got 719 00:44:06,600 --> 00:44:13,680 Speaker 1: a body that has been dismembered butchered, if you will 720 00:44:15,360 --> 00:44:21,000 Speaker 1: you know that there's violence involved, maybe because you know 721 00:44:21,120 --> 00:44:24,600 Speaker 1: you'd stated earlier, you know what if there was what 722 00:44:24,680 --> 00:44:27,160 Speaker 1: if Celisa suddenly died in her sleep and people panic, 723 00:44:27,200 --> 00:44:30,520 Speaker 1: they don't know what to do, all right. I've had 724 00:44:30,560 --> 00:44:34,080 Speaker 1: cases I wanted to mention this earlier, and I completely forgot. 725 00:44:34,160 --> 00:44:37,760 Speaker 1: You know, I've had cases that happened with heroin addicts 726 00:44:40,200 --> 00:44:43,479 Speaker 1: over the course of my career where you go into 727 00:44:43,560 --> 00:44:49,480 Speaker 1: like a you know, drug houses. I think you know 728 00:44:50,680 --> 00:44:53,640 Speaker 1: kids nowadays refer to them many times as trap houses, 729 00:44:55,200 --> 00:44:57,800 Speaker 1: but drug houses we used to call them shooting galleries, 730 00:44:58,000 --> 00:45:00,880 Speaker 1: particularly as it applied to hair addicts. You know, they 731 00:45:01,040 --> 00:45:04,239 Speaker 1: go in and they would fix and many times you've 732 00:45:04,239 --> 00:45:06,920 Speaker 1: got this kind of communal event in there that's going on. 733 00:45:07,040 --> 00:45:11,600 Speaker 1: They're all they have this one common denominator which is opiates. 734 00:45:12,600 --> 00:45:16,040 Speaker 1: You might have one group that is injecting, the other 735 00:45:16,080 --> 00:45:19,600 Speaker 1: group is not high, and they kind of watch after 736 00:45:19,680 --> 00:45:22,840 Speaker 1: one another. They're very docile. But if you have a 737 00:45:22,880 --> 00:45:27,719 Speaker 1: dead body, heroin addicts do not, under any circumstance, want 738 00:45:27,719 --> 00:45:30,239 Speaker 1: a dead body around them. So the point of the 739 00:45:30,280 --> 00:45:32,440 Speaker 1: story is that I've had bodies that have been wrapped 740 00:45:32,480 --> 00:45:34,200 Speaker 1: up in sheets. I've had bodies that have been wrapped 741 00:45:34,280 --> 00:45:39,880 Speaker 1: up in carpets, removed from a shooting gallery and taken 742 00:45:39,960 --> 00:45:43,440 Speaker 1: and deposited somewhere else. Because you want as much distance. 743 00:45:43,760 --> 00:45:45,960 Speaker 1: They want as much distance as they can. It's not 744 00:45:46,000 --> 00:45:48,840 Speaker 1: that they hate the person, but they don't want to 745 00:45:48,880 --> 00:45:53,120 Speaker 1: be associated with the dead because they want to continue, 746 00:45:53,320 --> 00:45:56,719 Speaker 1: you know, using heroin. So when you you know, you 747 00:45:56,880 --> 00:46:01,319 Speaker 1: take that template and you begin to think about the 748 00:46:01,440 --> 00:46:09,200 Speaker 1: movement of celeste body. Was it a panic situation? Here's 749 00:46:09,200 --> 00:46:11,080 Speaker 1: the other thing that it brings us to as well. 750 00:46:11,200 --> 00:46:15,160 Speaker 1: Let's just say that there is not Let's just say 751 00:46:15,160 --> 00:46:17,239 Speaker 1: that they're for the sake of argument, let's just say 752 00:46:17,280 --> 00:46:21,680 Speaker 1: that there's no homicidal violence. Okay, what if this is 753 00:46:21,719 --> 00:46:24,799 Speaker 1: something that's struggle related, how are we going to find out? 754 00:46:26,120 --> 00:46:34,000 Speaker 1: A legitimate question? Right? So, with severely decomposed bodies. The 755 00:46:34,040 --> 00:46:36,000 Speaker 1: best you're going to be able to do if you 756 00:46:36,040 --> 00:46:38,520 Speaker 1: want to find out what's in the system is a 757 00:46:38,800 --> 00:46:45,520 Speaker 1: qualitative qualitative amount of drugs and that means this is present. 758 00:46:45,680 --> 00:46:47,400 Speaker 1: I can't give you. I can't tell you if it's 759 00:46:47,440 --> 00:46:50,400 Speaker 1: a lethal level. So where do we look for that? Well, 760 00:46:51,080 --> 00:46:54,520 Speaker 1: you'd be surprised at how resilient the liver is in 761 00:46:54,560 --> 00:47:00,319 Speaker 1: decomposed bodies. We take slices of the organs. Okay, liver 762 00:47:00,640 --> 00:47:03,040 Speaker 1: and brain are two things that we look for, and 763 00:47:03,080 --> 00:47:06,799 Speaker 1: we literally spin those down and liquify them. And when 764 00:47:06,840 --> 00:47:10,480 Speaker 1: we liquify them, you can draw those up because there's 765 00:47:10,480 --> 00:47:15,359 Speaker 1: not going to be violable blood sample, particularly if you've 766 00:47:15,360 --> 00:47:20,200 Speaker 1: got drainage you know, from a dismemberment event. We spin 767 00:47:20,280 --> 00:47:24,000 Speaker 1: those down. You can actually get samples where you can say, Okay, 768 00:47:24,080 --> 00:47:28,480 Speaker 1: we've got opiate's present, or we've got methamphetamine present, we've 769 00:47:28,480 --> 00:47:31,879 Speaker 1: got coke metabolite that's present. All we can say though, 770 00:47:32,000 --> 00:47:34,440 Speaker 1: is that it's present. You can't come back and say 771 00:47:35,120 --> 00:47:37,600 Speaker 1: this is a lethal level. 772 00:47:38,080 --> 00:47:38,440 Speaker 2: All right. 773 00:47:38,480 --> 00:47:42,440 Speaker 1: You think about like most most most states, for instance, 774 00:47:42,840 --> 00:47:45,800 Speaker 1: operate in a motor vehicle accident, if you're a point 775 00:47:45,920 --> 00:47:52,440 Speaker 1: zero point zero eight. Right, that's legal, okay, legal, and 776 00:47:52,600 --> 00:47:57,600 Speaker 1: you're legally intoxicated, can't be operating a vehicle. You know, 777 00:47:57,840 --> 00:48:00,440 Speaker 1: it's the same principle. You know, you might can say 778 00:48:00,480 --> 00:48:04,160 Speaker 1: that there's etu h. I think that that which is ethanol, 779 00:48:04,840 --> 00:48:09,839 Speaker 1: which is consumable alcohol, and like methanol. It would be 780 00:48:09,960 --> 00:48:12,839 Speaker 1: really hard, I think, in a decomposed body to come 781 00:48:12,920 --> 00:48:17,879 Speaker 1: up with, particularly one that is advanced as this, where 782 00:48:17,920 --> 00:48:21,640 Speaker 1: you could actually find that there would be some remnant 783 00:48:21,680 --> 00:48:25,360 Speaker 1: of drugs another place that you can look for. And 784 00:48:25,400 --> 00:48:28,160 Speaker 1: I hadn't thought about this as much, but perhaps if 785 00:48:28,160 --> 00:48:31,160 Speaker 1: the eyes are still intact, there's actually this kind of 786 00:48:32,120 --> 00:48:35,759 Speaker 1: viscous fluid that we draw it every autopsy, by the way, 787 00:48:35,760 --> 00:48:39,440 Speaker 1: directly out of the eye. It's called vitreous, and victorious 788 00:48:39,480 --> 00:48:44,840 Speaker 1: can be run and it's the circulation on the vitreous 789 00:48:44,880 --> 00:48:47,400 Speaker 1: and the eyes. It's this fluid that you know is 790 00:48:47,440 --> 00:48:50,920 Speaker 1: contained in our eyes. The circulation is not the same 791 00:48:51,120 --> 00:48:52,960 Speaker 1: as it is with blood and that sort of thing. 792 00:48:54,800 --> 00:48:56,480 Speaker 1: You can draw it and it's kind of like reading 793 00:48:56,480 --> 00:48:59,680 Speaker 1: the rings on a tree as the way you say that. Okay, 794 00:48:59,680 --> 00:49:02,200 Speaker 1: In this year, there was like a drought in this year, 795 00:49:02,239 --> 00:49:04,920 Speaker 1: there was like an abundance of rain, which can't really 796 00:49:04,920 --> 00:49:07,640 Speaker 1: say how much rain or how dry it was. You 797 00:49:07,640 --> 00:49:11,480 Speaker 1: can just say that it happened. Okay, So this is 798 00:49:11,520 --> 00:49:14,560 Speaker 1: a this is a big question, you know, for all 799 00:49:14,600 --> 00:49:18,000 Speaker 1: of the law enforcement and the me the forensics people. 800 00:49:19,040 --> 00:49:21,480 Speaker 1: The question is, I guess, at the end of the day, 801 00:49:22,840 --> 00:49:28,399 Speaker 1: as fractured as the timeline is, as fractured as this 802 00:49:28,840 --> 00:49:39,200 Speaker 1: weird relationship that's going on, as fractured as Celestie remains are, 803 00:49:41,200 --> 00:49:46,400 Speaker 1: what tale do they have to reveal? Brother Dave and 804 00:49:46,440 --> 00:49:49,319 Speaker 1: I are going to stay on top of this. We're 805 00:49:49,320 --> 00:49:51,359 Speaker 1: going to watch this because this is one of those 806 00:49:51,360 --> 00:49:57,319 Speaker 1: cases that, again speaking from my friend, we're vested. We 807 00:49:57,400 --> 00:50:00,680 Speaker 1: want to know and I hope that we can rely 808 00:50:01,120 --> 00:50:05,120 Speaker 1: relay the most accurate information to you as we find 809 00:50:05,120 --> 00:50:11,560 Speaker 1: out and mark my words, there will be an update 810 00:50:12,000 --> 00:50:16,239 Speaker 1: when the clouds finally part and we find out what 811 00:50:16,400 --> 00:50:23,600 Speaker 1: happened to this child. I'm Joseph Scott Morgan and this 812 00:50:24,760 --> 00:50:25,600 Speaker 1: is Body dis