WEBVTT - Controversy Week

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<v Speaker 1>One two one two one two okay one two one

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<v Speaker 1>two one too. Oh you were great. Okay, Hi everybody,

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<v Speaker 1>and welcome to the Tennis the Tennis. Welcome to the tennis.

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<v Speaker 2>Welcome to the Tennis. Hi.

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<v Speaker 1>Everyone, Welcome to the Renee Subs Tennis Podcast. I am

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<v Speaker 1>here with my great friend Andrea Pekovic is back. We

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<v Speaker 1>are back in New York.

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<v Speaker 2>We're back in the city.

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<v Speaker 1>We're back in the city. It's freezing. It's awful weather.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, it feels like that's what I saw on

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<v Speaker 2>the weather app. I didn't think it was that bad,

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<v Speaker 2>but it feels like minus sixteen yea.

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<v Speaker 1>They said it's whatever, thirty degrees toda or something they said,

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<v Speaker 1>but it feels like and I was like, no, no,

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<v Speaker 1>don't start with that because that's some horse shit. Anyway,

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<v Speaker 1>I just got back from Australia a couple of days ago.

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<v Speaker 1>You just got in from la you were working for

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<v Speaker 1>Tennis Channel over there. So we're going to get into

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of stuff today. We started talking before the

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<v Speaker 1>part and we're like, oh my god, We've got a

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<v Speaker 1>lot to talk about today. So Petco, it's time. Let's

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<v Speaker 1>start off by talking about, of course, the big news

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<v Speaker 1>of this last few days is Yanick sinner. You are

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<v Speaker 1>well versed in this situation. You had to talk about

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<v Speaker 1>it quite a bit on Tennis Channel, but give me

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<v Speaker 1>your thoughts on the situation.

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<v Speaker 2>So I don't know if I said it on the podcast,

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<v Speaker 2>because I don't remember if I was if we talked

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<v Speaker 2>about it, but I said it somewhere. So when I

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<v Speaker 2>was in turn for the ATP final, I spoke to

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<v Speaker 2>a few Italian journalists. They told me, did I tell

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<v Speaker 2>you this? They told me that Yanick will be suspended

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<v Speaker 2>between Australian Open and French Open. And I thought like,

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<v Speaker 2>how do they know this? Because the cast appeal hearing

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<v Speaker 2>was set up for April nineteenth, I think or April sixteenth,

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<v Speaker 2>and they said to me that they heard there was

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<v Speaker 2>a meeting and he's going to be suspended between Australia

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<v Speaker 2>and the French Open. And I thought they were, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>talking out of the ass whatever. But now in this

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<v Speaker 2>news hit, I was simultaneously shocked because we all waited

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<v Speaker 2>for the hearing with the cast, and then I remember

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<v Speaker 2>this thing that they had told me during Turin and

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<v Speaker 2>I was like, oh, they knew, that's exactly what happened.

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<v Speaker 2>He got banned after the Austrian opened and he's supposedly

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<v Speaker 2>going to return in Rome. That's how that's what the

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<v Speaker 2>band is. So there was rumblings about it. I read

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<v Speaker 2>the documents, I read the statement from Vada. I read

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<v Speaker 2>his statement Vada. That was very German, and the gist

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<v Speaker 2>of it is, in my opinion, this is a political decision.

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<v Speaker 2>They are both trying to save face in a sense

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<v Speaker 2>that they in the statement clearly say they do not

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<v Speaker 2>believe he's cheated. They do not believe he had any

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<v Speaker 2>substance in his body that was performance enhancing, and they

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<v Speaker 2>believe his story.

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<v Speaker 1>However, Okay, wait a second, I want you to say

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<v Speaker 1>that again, so people at home understand this. Okay, because

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of people have not read the actual findings,

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<v Speaker 1>they have not read what Lada has said. So repeat

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<v Speaker 1>that again so people can hear what you just said.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, so what the Itia came up with. This is

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<v Speaker 2>the first organization who looked at Janick Sinner's case. And

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<v Speaker 2>just a reminder, they looked at this case without knowing

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<v Speaker 2>that it's about Youick Sinner. Yes, they have anonymous case

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<v Speaker 2>studies of the samples that he's given and of his explanation,

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<v Speaker 2>but there are no names involved. So the scientists who

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<v Speaker 2>decide on this matter, it's three different guys or girls,

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<v Speaker 2>three different people. They decide on this matter without knowing

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<v Speaker 2>who the player was. Who the player was. That's very

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<v Speaker 2>important because people keep yelling preferential treatment, but it's not

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<v Speaker 2>the case in the moment when they decide whether they

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<v Speaker 2>believe the story of the player or not, they don't

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<v Speaker 2>know who they are talking about. So this is what

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<v Speaker 2>the ITIA found. The first organization, WADA appealed because they

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<v Speaker 2>had an issue with the no fault ruling, right, because

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<v Speaker 2>if you have that's why he didn't get any suspension

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<v Speaker 2>because they said he was at no fault because he

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<v Speaker 2>didn't take a substance. It was a team member, right.

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<v Speaker 2>If you compare this to somebody like IgA Sciontek, she

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<v Speaker 2>was at little fault, but she still took the medication.

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<v Speaker 2>It was melatonin, it was prescribed by a doctor. That

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<v Speaker 2>shouldn't have happened, so it wasn't technically her fault, but

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<v Speaker 2>she ingested it through her mouth into her body. That's

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<v Speaker 2>why she got that one month. That's the difference, right.

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<v Speaker 2>So I'm just trying to make it very clear. I

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<v Speaker 2>know we talked about this.

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<v Speaker 1>No, I love that you're doing this, but I.

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<v Speaker 2>Think it's important that people remember these things. So Wada

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<v Speaker 2>basically goes out and says, we think, no, we believe.

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<v Speaker 2>We looked at all the documents and we believe that

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<v Speaker 2>he was not using performance enhancing drugs. We believe he

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<v Speaker 2>didn't cheat.

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<v Speaker 1>We believe the scientists and what the scientist said before

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<v Speaker 1>they knew it was a number one player in the world, correct, right.

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<v Speaker 2>The problem for them is in their statutes it says

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<v Speaker 2>that the player is also responsible for a team, because

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<v Speaker 2>the problem for them will be in the future. If

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<v Speaker 2>they rule no fault for Janick from now on, every

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<v Speaker 2>single player or athlete who gets banned, who gets a

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<v Speaker 2>substance in their body, they can just say it wasn't me,

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<v Speaker 2>my doctor gave it to me, It wasn't me, my

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<v Speaker 2>physio gave it to me. It wasn't me, my coach

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<v Speaker 2>gave it to me. Right, So that's WADA's problem. That's

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<v Speaker 2>why they can't say no fault, no negligence, just go ahead,

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<v Speaker 2>no band. So that's why for them it was important

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<v Speaker 2>to get a ban. The problem now is if they say,

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<v Speaker 2>we don't believe he's cheated. The smallest band they can

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<v Speaker 2>give him is one year, but they ban him for

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<v Speaker 2>one year. What are we doing here? You can't simultaneously

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<v Speaker 2>in your name it says WADA. It's the World Anti

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<v Speaker 2>Doping Agency. So you're saying you're anti doping agency. You

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<v Speaker 2>believe he didn't dope, but yet we are banning him

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<v Speaker 2>for one year. This is a problem for WADA. This

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<v Speaker 2>is losing that, they are losing their credibility. But simultaneously,

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<v Speaker 2>if they rule no fault and give him no ban,

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<v Speaker 2>now every single player from henceforth will go and say, well,

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<v Speaker 2>it wasn't me, I didn't take it. My coach gave

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<v Speaker 2>it to me, right, So they needed a compromise. That's

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<v Speaker 2>what I mean by this is a political decision. It

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<v Speaker 2>was important for WADA to get something, and for Janik

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<v Speaker 2>it's better to it's better to take the three month

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<v Speaker 2>band between Austia and Open and French Open, rather than

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<v Speaker 2>maybe not be able to prove that it was in

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<v Speaker 2>his fault in front of cast the process going on forever.

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<v Speaker 2>And then the smallest band he can get is still

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<v Speaker 2>a year, so you would lose a full year. So

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<v Speaker 2>this is a political decision. And like in a political decision,

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<v Speaker 2>one party wants one thing, another party wants another thing,

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<v Speaker 2>a compromise is found and nobody is happy. Yeah, this

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<v Speaker 2>is exactly what happened.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and this is exactly why. I mean, that was

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<v Speaker 1>such a great explanation. And I hope people listen to that.

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<v Speaker 1>If they didn't understand it, fucking rewind and listen to

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<v Speaker 1>it again. Okay, because the issue in all of this

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<v Speaker 1>as well is when you get statements from certain players

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<v Speaker 1>on Twitter, well, namely Nick Kirios, Stamma Vrinka, these types

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<v Speaker 1>of comments that they're making. It's like, guys, when when

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<v Speaker 1>someone makes a statement like why would he admit so

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<v Speaker 1>wait a second, he's admitted he's taking the three month band,

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<v Speaker 1>so he's admitted that he was at fault because of this,

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<v Speaker 1>and that he admitted that he had it in his system.

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<v Speaker 1>Why is he only getting this and why is he

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<v Speaker 1>getting to choose this? It's not It's like when you

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<v Speaker 1>get accused of murdering someone or committing manslaughter or whatever.

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<v Speaker 1>They're like, Okay, here's the deal. If you know you

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<v Speaker 1>haven't killed anyone, and then someone says to you, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>but we have you know this and that and we're

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<v Speaker 1>going to take take you here and we're going to

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<v Speaker 1>put you through court, and we're gonna we've got some evidence,

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<v Speaker 1>and you're like, what the fuck, I didn't do anything.

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<v Speaker 1>It's kind of like it's like, why would you admit

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<v Speaker 1>fault either, like because it's either three months or thirty years,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, because that's what it would have been for

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<v Speaker 1>someone like Sinner to take a one or two year

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<v Speaker 1>break from tennis that is enormously bad for his tennis.

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<v Speaker 1>Name one person that's had a drug suspension and come

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<v Speaker 1>back and played well, not many, and so he's probably going,

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<v Speaker 1>like you said, he's negotiating this deal because Wada needed

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<v Speaker 1>a win here. Wada needed this win. They needed to

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<v Speaker 1>be able to say, to have some integrity, to have

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<v Speaker 1>some you know, semblance of power still to say we're

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<v Speaker 1>still going to suspend you. My thing is this happened

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<v Speaker 1>over a well, happened essentially a year ago, a year ago,

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<v Speaker 1>and we are now suspending him for three months. It's

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<v Speaker 1>so ridiculous. It looks so bad from Wada and everyone's like,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, oh, you know, people come after me, he's

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<v Speaker 1>a doper. And as it's like read what the itia

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<v Speaker 1>what they came out with originally when they of course

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<v Speaker 1>did not know it was Janick Sinner. Okay, listen to

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<v Speaker 1>that again. They did not know who the player was,

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<v Speaker 1>and those are the conclusions that they came up with.

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<v Speaker 1>You cannot say, well, this player was given preferential treatment

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<v Speaker 1>because he was number one in the world. It's not true.

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<v Speaker 1>Now did he have the resources to be able to

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<v Speaker 1>do it in a quick time? Absolutely? Did they know

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<v Speaker 1>exactly where it came from, yes, but that's good for him,

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<v Speaker 1>good for him. That's why when people start throwing around

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<v Speaker 1>names like well, what about about Hallop, Well, Hallup took

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<v Speaker 1>four or five months to figure out where it came from.

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<v Speaker 1>What do you want to That is an obvious sign

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<v Speaker 1>that she doesn't know where it came from, and so

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<v Speaker 1>therefore they had to go in and do this investigation,

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<v Speaker 1>and they had to announce it immediately because she couldn't

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<v Speaker 1>come up with any feasible reason why it was in

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<v Speaker 1>a system. So of course that's going to happen. So

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<v Speaker 1>this is why everything is treated very differently. But in

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<v Speaker 1>the end, this is a major problem for WADA period

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<v Speaker 1>and they are ruining and I got a name, I've

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<v Speaker 1>got a text, message from us.

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<v Speaker 2>Sorry to interrupt you, but I think this will underline

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<v Speaker 2>your point and make your point is that this is

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<v Speaker 2>really important to say that both cases of Igoshiantek and

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<v Speaker 2>Janik Sinna will have WADA change their rules from twenty

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<v Speaker 2>twenty seven on these micro dozing incidents where they catch

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<v Speaker 2>like what the they say, a grain of salt in

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<v Speaker 2>a swimming Olympic swimming pool, they won't be falling into this,

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<v Speaker 2>so they because of Jannick Sinner and Igasciantek, they are

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<v Speaker 2>changing their rules. So clearly something was one wrong with

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<v Speaker 2>the rules.

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<v Speaker 1>Are they changing the rules to make it harder or no?

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<v Speaker 2>Micro yes, So these micro doosing events what happened now

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<v Speaker 2>with EGO, where you clearly see it's a contamination won't

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<v Speaker 2>be ruled performance enhancing any longer because they weren't. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>if you can, as these two cases could very quickly

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<v Speaker 2>show what the contamination was and where it came from.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and again this is sort of like important because

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<v Speaker 1>you know, I had a text message from a really

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<v Speaker 1>good friend of mine who is a former swimmer. Olympic

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<v Speaker 1>swimmer went to multiple multiple Olympic Games, one of our

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<v Speaker 1>greatest swimmers ever and you know. One of the things

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<v Speaker 1>that she text message me and was just like, what

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<v Speaker 1>the hell is going on in tennis kind of thing?

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<v Speaker 1>And you and I I've had similar conversations about that

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<v Speaker 1>right now this morning. But she basically said, totally makes sense,

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<v Speaker 1>but the injustices of the system still grates on me.

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<v Speaker 1>This is what from her. There needs to be a

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<v Speaker 1>massive overhaul of WADER and the global antidoping code. Less

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<v Speaker 1>than one billionth of a gram is nothing, And she

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<v Speaker 1>wrote that in all caps. I know that it might

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<v Speaker 1>indicate microdosing, but I'd love to see the data supporting

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<v Speaker 1>the catching of those microdosing cases versus the number of

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<v Speaker 1>contamination cases. Its cause, you know, and see, this is

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<v Speaker 1>what I'm saying. She says, Sinner is so lucky he

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<v Speaker 1>could quickly point to it and.

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<v Speaker 2>What it was.

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<v Speaker 1>I do find it a little suspicious that they had

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<v Speaker 1>enough evidence to appeal the case in less than an hour,

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<v Speaker 1>although I think it was I would think it was

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<v Speaker 1>a little bit longer than that, although I think they

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<v Speaker 1>knew exactly where it came from straight away. Although one

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<v Speaker 1>hundred percent agree with you, in no way did I

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<v Speaker 1>think ant Yanik ever doped other athletes like Simona and Eger.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm sure many of other lesser profile athletes are being

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<v Speaker 1>caught out because they can't immediately pinpoint where the contamination.

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<v Speaker 2>That's the problem.

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<v Speaker 1>And that's what happened with Shana Jack, an Australian swimmer.

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<v Speaker 1>The exact same thing happened to her. It's a classic

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<v Speaker 1>case in Australia of contamination. Yes, and she said, these

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<v Speaker 1>old these are her words, not mine, These old, stale

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<v Speaker 1>males in power are damaging the sport by having policies

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<v Speaker 1>like these. How many truly guilty people are are they

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<v Speaker 1>catching versus how many innocent athletes careers and reputations are

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<v Speaker 1>being destroyed. And that's the thing that is worrying to me.

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<v Speaker 1>And if you read what Saberlenka said this week where

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<v Speaker 1>she was like, I am so worried now that I

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<v Speaker 1>don't take anything. I don't leave my water out for someone,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't leave anything to chance anymore. Because I think

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<v Speaker 1>that someone like Sablenka really also realizes that this could

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<v Speaker 1>happen to her. Yeah, do you know what I mean?

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<v Speaker 1>These microdosing little things where it to be contaminated this

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<v Speaker 1>and everyone's like, oh, why are you taking stuff that's

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<v Speaker 1>prescribed by doctor. Why an't you taking the WTA melatonin alls. Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>all of that is sort of true, but there's also

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<v Speaker 1>no guarantees that every single supplement you take is not tainted.

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<v Speaker 1>And this is what could happen.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, you saw it with IGAs melatonin. It was prescribed

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<v Speaker 2>by a doctor from a source that she's been taking

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<v Speaker 2>for years, years, and it never came up, and all

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<v Speaker 2>of a sudden, there's some contamination, a fault in a fabrication, whatever.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not a medical expert, but something happened, and a

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<v Speaker 2>medication she could rely on for years, prescribed by her doctor,

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<v Speaker 2>all of a sudden turns up contaminated. And we are

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<v Speaker 2>both clearly arguing here as former players. And that's why

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<v Speaker 2>we are so firmly on the side of players, and

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<v Speaker 2>that's what makes me always upset with these statements from players.

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<v Speaker 2>I use this example before during the COVID and at

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<v Speaker 2>the Australian Open Tennis, Australia sent out an email and

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<v Speaker 2>was like, hey, you will be in quarantine for fourteen days.

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<v Speaker 2>If you need any fitness equipment in your room, please

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<v Speaker 2>let us know. Now that was two months before, so

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<v Speaker 2>these emails players didn't read the emails, right, this is

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<v Speaker 2>what I'm telling They say it was about, and then

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<v Speaker 2>they complained about it for days, like why does Angie

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<v Speaker 2>Kerber have a running track in her room? Yeah? Because

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<v Speaker 2>she read her emails, wrote them an email, and then

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<v Speaker 2>she had a running check in her I had a bike,

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<v Speaker 2>running track, running machine, a running machine, another full check.

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<v Speaker 1>They put a track in her room, Jenesistriya, I really

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<v Speaker 1>know how to do it. They put that track down

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<v Speaker 1>the whole way around the building and back in, but

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<v Speaker 1>she was isolated throughout exactly.

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<v Speaker 2>That would be amazing. I had a bicycle because I

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<v Speaker 2>read the email and I wrote them, and I realized

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<v Speaker 2>ninety five percent of players don't even read emails that

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<v Speaker 2>concern themselves. So now they are going to go ahead

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<v Speaker 2>and read a twenty five page document on Yannick Sinner's

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<v Speaker 2>doping case. I guess not. You know, if they can't cannot,

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<v Speaker 2>but if they can't read a freaking email that concerns

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<v Speaker 2>their own well being and their own fitness before the

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<v Speaker 2>biggest tournament after one year no tournaments at all, COVID year,

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<v Speaker 2>they are going to go ahead and read a WADA

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<v Speaker 2>statement that goes on for thirty pages I don't mak

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<v Speaker 2>me unconvinced.

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you very much. Unconvinced. Okay, so you're you know,

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<v Speaker 1>I think you and.

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<v Speaker 2>I but sorry, I just want what I wanted to say.

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<v Speaker 2>I still if but if somebody comes up to me

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<v Speaker 2>and I have these cases, people say like, I don't

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<v Speaker 2>know the story just sounds fishy. I don't believe the

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<v Speaker 2>physio spray the spray. I think that's fair. I think

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<v Speaker 2>it's fair that people go ahead and go like, I

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<v Speaker 2>don't believe it. You know, that's fair. You can't say anything.

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<v Speaker 2>I believe him. But that's also we know him, we

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<v Speaker 2>like him. We are always biased. This is very important.

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<v Speaker 2>We are always going to be biased, and I think

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<v Speaker 2>it's important that we let people know that we probably

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<v Speaker 2>will be biased towards him because he's a good guy

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<v Speaker 2>and we can't believe he did it. Does that exclude

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<v Speaker 2>him from maybe doing it after all? No, just because

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<v Speaker 2>we like him doesn't mean he's not going to do it.

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<v Speaker 2>But this is important for me to say that if

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<v Speaker 2>you read the articles and are somewhat well informed, soay,

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<v Speaker 2>like I still don't believe it, that's absolutely fair, and

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<v Speaker 2>you're entitled to your opinion. What I don't like is

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<v Speaker 2>if when you don't read the thing, you just read

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<v Speaker 2>the headline and then put out just blank statements of

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<v Speaker 2>the sport isn't clean, everyone is doping. This is what

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<v Speaker 2>I don't.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, because because it's bullshit. Because it's bullshit. There is

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<v Speaker 1>no athlete that is I believe, more tested than a

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<v Speaker 1>top ten tennis play. That's true, Okay, we are talking

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<v Speaker 1>about players that are tested all the time in competition,

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<v Speaker 1>all the time out of competition and out of competition,

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<v Speaker 1>and all the time by their own associations, particularly in

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<v Speaker 1>Olympic years.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, so this is important, Reneja said, because there are

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<v Speaker 2>three different organizations, the ITIA, the WADA and the NADA.

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<v Speaker 2>And I had a few cases where all three of

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<v Speaker 2>these organizations were in front of my were in front

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<v Speaker 2>of my door and wanted to test me. So the

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<v Speaker 2>NADA is the national in our case, the national anti

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<v Speaker 2>doping agency. You have the WADA and you have the ITIA.

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<v Speaker 2>So and you're right, the higher you are. So when

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<v Speaker 2>I was top ten, which was not very long, but

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<v Speaker 2>when I was top ten, I got tested or between

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<v Speaker 2>thirty and fifty times a year. And this is just

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<v Speaker 2>out of competition. And another really important thing that people forget.

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<v Speaker 2>And big tournaments. What are big tournaments? Those are Grand

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<v Speaker 2>Slam tournaments and ATP Masters and WTA one thousands, fifty

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<v Speaker 2>percent of players get tested. They lose in the first round, right,

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<v Speaker 2>fifty percent, Then fifty percent of players get tested if

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<v Speaker 2>they lose in the second round. From third round on,

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<v Speaker 2>seventy five percent players get tested. And from the round

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<v Speaker 2>of last sixteen, every single player gets tested. And Yannick

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<v Speaker 2>pretty much plays last sixteen every single time, so he

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<v Speaker 2>will be tested at every single tournament. Same goes for Ega,

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<v Speaker 2>same goes for Sablenka, for whoever is a top player,

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<v Speaker 2>if they reach the rounds from third round on, they

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<v Speaker 2>will be tested one hundred percent.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, So that it's not the most, it's the most.

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<v Speaker 1>For me, it is the most tested sport in the world.

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<v Speaker 1>In the world. I talked to WNBA and NBA players

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<v Speaker 1>and they're like, they never get tested ever, and they're

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<v Speaker 1>an Olympic sport. They never get tested unless it's like

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<v Speaker 1>literally going into the Olympics. So it's like every single

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<v Speaker 1>tennis player has to watch what they're putting in their

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<v Speaker 1>system and to hear what Sabalanka said over the last

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<v Speaker 1>couple of days by saying basically, she's so afraid that

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<v Speaker 1>this essentially could happen to her. And then you've got

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<v Speaker 1>other people going out and saying sport's not clean. I

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<v Speaker 1>just I don't understand it exactly what you're talking about.

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<v Speaker 1>Read the stuff, Read what they said, and understand the

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<v Speaker 1>entire process before you make these comments, and don't say

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<v Speaker 1>that he negotiated. Yes, Okay, could he have negotiated, Yeah, absolutely,

0:18:47.280 --> 0:18:50.600
<v Speaker 1>Because there's so much ambiguity in the shit that Wada

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<v Speaker 1>was saying. You're just like, okay, well, what's the ruling.

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<v Speaker 1>You should have made that ruling seven months ago. They

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<v Speaker 1>should have made this ruling seven months ago. The guy

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<v Speaker 1>has gone on to win two Grand Slams since the

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<v Speaker 1>initial findings, and now you want to suspend him. It's

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<v Speaker 1>fucking embarrassing. It's embarrassing, and I feel badly for him

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<v Speaker 1>because now everyone's saying, well, you know, oh, we conveniently

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<v Speaker 1>got this. Well not really. In a lot of ways,

0:19:12.480 --> 0:19:15.280
<v Speaker 1>this is WADA's problem. This is WADA's fault for putting

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<v Speaker 1>themselves and him in this situation. They should have done

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<v Speaker 1>it originally. Why did they change the goalpost? Now that's

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<v Speaker 1>what I don't understand.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. I think because they were they realized that if

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<v Speaker 2>they let the slide, every player and athlete from now

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<v Speaker 2>on will say, but it was a member of my team,

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<v Speaker 2>and then they are in real shit.

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<v Speaker 1>You would then say, from now on, as of twenty

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<v Speaker 1>twenty five, if you are going to blame your team,

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<v Speaker 1>too fucking bad. That's what should have been said. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>And everyone's going to say, well, you know what happened

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<v Speaker 1>to this player and this player and this player. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>rules get changed all the time. Maria Sharapou was taking

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<v Speaker 1>meldonium for years and years and years and years and

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<v Speaker 1>years and then stopped. Should have stopped taking it and

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<v Speaker 1>didn't it? Why? Because she didn't read your emails going

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<v Speaker 1>into this. That's my point.

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<v Speaker 2>Take away from this is read your fucking emails.

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<v Speaker 1>Read your emails. That's gonna be the name of the part.

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<v Speaker 1>Freed your emails, all right. Another thing that is controversy.

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<v Speaker 1>I think we've laid the sinner thing to bed. I

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<v Speaker 1>hope that everyone can just let it go now, but

0:20:16.600 --> 0:20:18.680
<v Speaker 1>they're not going to. There are likes of a lot

0:20:18.680 --> 0:20:20.960
<v Speaker 1>of players out there saying a lot of shit about him,

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<v Speaker 1>and I think you should do your due diligence a

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<v Speaker 1>little more and read a little bit more about it.

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<v Speaker 1>And I think understanding that they didn't even know who

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<v Speaker 1>this player was when they made this decision is very important.

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<v Speaker 2>That is very important. People forget that. Yeah, And I think,

0:20:35.240 --> 0:20:37.800
<v Speaker 2>like everything, it has nuance. And that's why I said,

0:20:37.800 --> 0:20:40.560
<v Speaker 2>this is a political decision, and it is a political decision.

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<v Speaker 2>Nobody is happy with it. Yes, there was negotiation, but

0:20:43.600 --> 0:20:46.440
<v Speaker 2>there is nuance. When they decided he didn't cheat, they

0:20:46.440 --> 0:20:49.240
<v Speaker 2>didn't know who he was. Now they know who he was,

0:20:49.320 --> 0:20:51.320
<v Speaker 2>and that's why he was able to negotiate. So that's

0:20:51.359 --> 0:20:53.800
<v Speaker 2>also there is a grain of truth today exactly because

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<v Speaker 2>if Wada messes up on this one with jan Nick Sinna,

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<v Speaker 2>who is the number one player in the world and

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<v Speaker 2>who won multiple grants lambs, everyone in the world is

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<v Speaker 2>talking about it, whereas if it's somebody ranked three hundred,

0:21:05.200 --> 0:21:07.960
<v Speaker 2>they can kind of like just be who cares, right,

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<v Speaker 2>So that's why they really needed it, as you said,

0:21:10.280 --> 0:21:12.720
<v Speaker 2>they needed this win, and that's why they were able

0:21:12.760 --> 0:21:15.240
<v Speaker 2>to negotiate. So there is like a sort of truth

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<v Speaker 2>to it in a sense that in the beginning he

0:21:17.440 --> 0:21:20.520
<v Speaker 2>didn't have preferential treatment and now he has, although I

0:21:20.560 --> 0:21:24.560
<v Speaker 2>will say is a preferential treatment. He did get banned

0:21:24.600 --> 0:21:28.040
<v Speaker 2>for something everyone agrees on he didn't do. Why are

0:21:28.080 --> 0:21:31.399
<v Speaker 2>we banning the kid? This is my question. If everyone

0:21:31.760 --> 0:21:35.240
<v Speaker 2>from it Tia to Nada Tuada to who God knows who,

0:21:35.320 --> 0:21:38.480
<v Speaker 2>to Maria and Jesus decide this kid did not cheat,

0:21:38.800 --> 0:21:41.919
<v Speaker 2>he is clean, we believe his story, why are we

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<v Speaker 2>banning him?

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<v Speaker 1>That's again, that's my that's exactly my my.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, they will change the role. I will say, this

0:21:48.840 --> 0:21:50.880
<v Speaker 2>is the one thing I didn't read. That's what Mark

0:21:50.960 --> 0:21:53.800
<v Speaker 2>Petchi told me. So if I'm wrong about them changing

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<v Speaker 2>the I'm gonna mark Petchi. But he's super diligent about

0:21:57.920 --> 0:22:00.520
<v Speaker 2>these things. That's why I believe him. That's why repeeded it.

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<v Speaker 2>But supposedly what he told me is in twenty twenty seven,

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<v Speaker 2>they are changing the rules on contamination and if it's

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<v Speaker 2>like it was now a billionth of a grand blah

0:22:09.000 --> 0:22:11.760
<v Speaker 2>blah blah, it won't be ruled a doping violation.

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<v Speaker 1>And what did I say originally, if you go back

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<v Speaker 1>to one of the original pods that we did, I said,

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<v Speaker 1>why don't have to change this rule if it is

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<v Speaker 1>so minuscure? Like this. Why are we putting players' names

0:22:24.600 --> 0:22:27.360
<v Speaker 1>out there? It should not be out there. That's how

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<v Speaker 1>I feel about it. And listen, I am for a

0:22:30.200 --> 0:22:34.160
<v Speaker 1>clean sport. I fucking hate cheaters. Yeah, okay, I hate cheaters.

0:22:34.520 --> 0:22:38.280
<v Speaker 1>But when it comes to this situation now where we

0:22:38.320 --> 0:22:41.119
<v Speaker 1>are getting a few a bit more contamination stuff going on,

0:22:41.640 --> 0:22:45.320
<v Speaker 1>it's like we are also possibly I'm not saying all

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<v Speaker 1>of everyone's telling the truth or everyone's lying. I don't

0:22:49.240 --> 0:22:52.040
<v Speaker 1>the bottom lines. I don't know. So why are we

0:22:52.200 --> 0:22:56.760
<v Speaker 1>ruining reputations based on a billionth of a gram of

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<v Speaker 1>a piece of salt in the pool? And yes, it

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<v Speaker 1>could be microdoc, but fucking hell, he has to be

0:23:01.359 --> 0:23:03.159
<v Speaker 1>real good at it considering as you said, he's in

0:23:03.200 --> 0:23:06.240
<v Speaker 1>the semis or finals of every single event that he's playing,

0:23:07.160 --> 0:23:10.119
<v Speaker 1>and he's getting tested all the time. Then you know,

0:23:10.400 --> 0:23:16.000
<v Speaker 1>so he's also been tested since and does everyone forget

0:23:16.000 --> 0:23:17.359
<v Speaker 1>that he's still getting tested?

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<v Speaker 2>And the thing I will say, what is a big

0:23:20.600 --> 0:23:23.960
<v Speaker 2>marker to me? Did he perform the same before he

0:23:24.000 --> 0:23:27.000
<v Speaker 2>got caught and the same after he got caught? Yes?

0:23:27.040 --> 0:23:29.400
<v Speaker 2>He did? Yeah, and you're trying to tell me he

0:23:29.520 --> 0:23:32.479
<v Speaker 2>was doping, gets caught and then he just continues doping,

0:23:32.520 --> 0:23:33.840
<v Speaker 2>then he's a fucking psychopath.

0:23:33.960 --> 0:23:36.720
<v Speaker 1>He also, he won the Australian Open. He would have

0:23:36.760 --> 0:23:40.640
<v Speaker 1>got tested out the wazu there, okay, including blood being taken,

0:23:41.119 --> 0:23:44.600
<v Speaker 1>everything being taken. He was fine. Nobody said, oh he's

0:23:44.600 --> 0:23:47.919
<v Speaker 1>got micro dosing uney system at the Australian Open. Okay.

0:23:47.960 --> 0:23:50.399
<v Speaker 1>So all of a sudden he's gonna say, ah, you

0:23:50.440 --> 0:23:53.280
<v Speaker 1>know what, in Doha, Dubai, in Indian Wales, I'm going

0:23:53.320 --> 0:23:55.840
<v Speaker 1>to start taking some shit now and hope I get

0:23:55.880 --> 0:23:56.359
<v Speaker 1>away with it.

0:23:56.680 --> 0:23:59.679
<v Speaker 2>Oh, come on, And in this case for these guys

0:23:59.680 --> 0:24:03.000
<v Speaker 2>again we talked about them already to take out snippets

0:24:03.040 --> 0:24:06.639
<v Speaker 2>of people saying things, if you do this in this case,

0:24:06.760 --> 0:24:09.359
<v Speaker 2>you really are an asshole. If clicks matter to you

0:24:09.480 --> 0:24:12.560
<v Speaker 2>more than the nuance of this case and the importance

0:24:12.600 --> 0:24:16.200
<v Speaker 2>for the sport of having understand and grasps every single

0:24:16.600 --> 0:24:19.800
<v Speaker 2>minute detail of it, then you really are an asshole.

0:24:19.840 --> 0:24:22.119
<v Speaker 2>We already told you to fuck off, but we're telling

0:24:22.119 --> 0:24:23.200
<v Speaker 2>you again pemptively.

0:24:23.440 --> 0:24:27.840
<v Speaker 1>There's a lot of these these stupid tennis dot com sites,

0:24:27.920 --> 0:24:31.280
<v Speaker 1>not tennis dot com, but various different things dot com

0:24:31.320 --> 0:24:34.280
<v Speaker 1>that the report on tennis that take little snippets of

0:24:34.840 --> 0:24:37.840
<v Speaker 1>apparently like I am, I wanted to coach Emarada Khanuh

0:24:37.920 --> 0:24:41.120
<v Speaker 1>from the last podcast. Did you read this, No Renee

0:24:41.119 --> 0:24:44.359
<v Speaker 1>stops and it's always former coach of Serena Williams, like

0:24:44.440 --> 0:24:47.640
<v Speaker 1>fuck off, guys, like I did more than just Serena

0:24:47.680 --> 0:24:49.760
<v Speaker 1>Williams for two weeks, so if you're gonna get it right.

0:24:49.800 --> 0:24:52.439
<v Speaker 1>But they like that because they know Serena Williams that

0:24:52.440 --> 0:24:56.680
<v Speaker 1>that algorithm will come. So it's like, no, I did

0:24:56.720 --> 0:24:59.280
<v Speaker 1>not say I want to coach Emarada Khanu. I said

0:24:59.320 --> 0:25:03.119
<v Speaker 1>if I was, But I mean if Emma Radakano came

0:25:03.160 --> 0:25:04.720
<v Speaker 1>to you pet Go and said, hey, do you want

0:25:04.720 --> 0:25:07.440
<v Speaker 1>to coach me? You would say, oh no.

0:25:06.960 --> 0:25:09.760
<v Speaker 2>No, not because of Emma, because I really don't want

0:25:09.800 --> 0:25:10.200
<v Speaker 2>to coach.

0:25:10.720 --> 0:25:12.840
<v Speaker 1>You don't want to coach. But if you wanted to coach,

0:25:12.920 --> 0:25:13.920
<v Speaker 1>of course you would say yes.

0:25:13.880 --> 0:25:16.040
<v Speaker 2>Yes, of course. I mean, if you're a coach, then

0:25:16.400 --> 0:25:17.320
<v Speaker 2>so much potential.

0:25:17.440 --> 0:25:20.000
<v Speaker 1>It's a fucking dumb but they you know, they blasted

0:25:20.000 --> 0:25:21.760
<v Speaker 1>out on it. Just it pisces no.

0:25:21.840 --> 0:25:24.880
<v Speaker 2>But I give you an example. I said, I think

0:25:24.920 --> 0:25:27.600
<v Speaker 2>maybe even on this podcast, I said about Carlos that

0:25:27.680 --> 0:25:30.240
<v Speaker 2>when he's playing, well, he's the best player I've seen

0:25:30.280 --> 0:25:32.960
<v Speaker 2>in the last thirty years. And when he plays bad,

0:25:33.040 --> 0:25:35.520
<v Speaker 2>boy does he play bad? And they only took when

0:25:35.520 --> 0:25:38.800
<v Speaker 2>Carlos plays bad he plays so bad? And I got

0:25:38.800 --> 0:25:40.960
<v Speaker 2>so much hate from some Carlos fans. They were like,

0:25:41.000 --> 0:25:42.640
<v Speaker 2>what do you know? And I was like, what did

0:25:42.640 --> 0:25:45.200
<v Speaker 2>I say? Did I say that? And I'm a normal person.

0:25:45.200 --> 0:25:47.800
<v Speaker 2>So I listened to the podcasting and I was like, oh, okay, no,

0:25:47.920 --> 0:25:50.600
<v Speaker 2>I said, it's okay. There was so much more nuance

0:25:50.680 --> 0:25:53.040
<v Speaker 2>to it. But that's why it's not it's not fair.

0:25:53.119 --> 0:25:54.679
<v Speaker 2>It's not fair to us. It's not fair to the

0:25:54.680 --> 0:25:57.000
<v Speaker 2>players because we have to interview the players. And now

0:25:57.000 --> 0:25:59.200
<v Speaker 2>he thinks I said about him that he's really bad.

0:25:59.760 --> 0:26:03.040
<v Speaker 2>Come come on, man, I would why would you say that?

0:26:03.040 --> 0:26:04.119
<v Speaker 2>Like he's the best player.

0:26:04.960 --> 0:26:06.639
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, So all of you people out there that are

0:26:06.640 --> 0:26:09.080
<v Speaker 1>going to take clippets and snippets from clippets is.

0:26:09.000 --> 0:26:09.400
<v Speaker 2>That a word?

0:26:09.480 --> 0:26:09.680
<v Speaker 1>Yeah?

0:26:09.720 --> 0:26:10.040
<v Speaker 2>Maybe not?

0:26:10.119 --> 0:26:13.199
<v Speaker 1>It is now snippets from our podcast and put it

0:26:13.280 --> 0:26:14.639
<v Speaker 1>up there and blast it. Fuck you.

0:26:15.040 --> 0:26:18.040
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, no, really, take the whole thing. Write an article.

0:26:18.160 --> 0:26:20.200
<v Speaker 1>Be a man, Yeah, be a man, write the whole

0:26:20.560 --> 0:26:23.320
<v Speaker 1>Be a fucking person that writes the whole article, doesn't

0:26:23.359 --> 0:26:25.480
<v Speaker 1>just take one line of what we've said. If you

0:26:25.480 --> 0:26:28.000
<v Speaker 1>want to take one word, one line from us, it's

0:26:28.320 --> 0:26:28.760
<v Speaker 1>funk off.

0:26:28.880 --> 0:26:29.080
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

0:26:29.240 --> 0:26:35.000
<v Speaker 1>Okay. So another very very controversial, difficult conversation is Elena

0:26:35.160 --> 0:26:39.479
<v Speaker 1>Rebakina the situation with her former coach whatever he is

0:26:39.520 --> 0:26:47.760
<v Speaker 1>now boyfriend's disaster situation with Ukoff, her coach. Is that

0:26:47.800 --> 0:26:48.520
<v Speaker 1>how you say his name?

0:26:48.760 --> 0:26:53.880
<v Speaker 2>Your Croatian Stefan? What are you? My parents? My mom

0:26:53.920 --> 0:26:55.280
<v Speaker 2>is busting and my dad to Serbian.

0:26:55.359 --> 0:27:00.480
<v Speaker 1>I'll see, that's why I messed out. Okay, thoughts, Well,

0:27:00.560 --> 0:27:01.160
<v Speaker 1>we just read.

0:27:01.280 --> 0:27:03.320
<v Speaker 2>So for anybody who has the time, there is a

0:27:03.520 --> 0:27:07.439
<v Speaker 2>very article in the New York Times. I think for

0:27:07.560 --> 0:27:10.119
<v Speaker 2>us we knew most of it already, so it wasn't

0:27:10.160 --> 0:27:13.760
<v Speaker 2>necessarily new things. But for everybody else who's maybe not

0:27:13.800 --> 0:27:15.880
<v Speaker 2>around the tennis tour and wants to know what's up,

0:27:16.119 --> 0:27:19.120
<v Speaker 2>I think that's a great way to start, because there's.

0:27:18.680 --> 0:27:23.399
<v Speaker 1>Really a lot in the Bleach and maybe Athletic, sorry

0:27:23.400 --> 0:27:24.960
<v Speaker 1>not athletic.

0:27:24.640 --> 0:27:27.280
<v Speaker 2>The Athletic and the New York Times. Yeah, so I

0:27:27.320 --> 0:27:30.080
<v Speaker 2>think there's a lot of thoughts. What are my thoughts?

0:27:30.080 --> 0:27:35.119
<v Speaker 2>Clearly the relationship between them is on the edge of abusive.

0:27:35.280 --> 0:27:37.439
<v Speaker 2>Can I say it's abusive. No, I can't. I'm not

0:27:38.280 --> 0:27:40.440
<v Speaker 2>in the relationship, and I think this is a very

0:27:40.440 --> 0:27:43.240
<v Speaker 2>important to say. If you're not in the relationship, you

0:27:43.320 --> 0:27:47.200
<v Speaker 2>don't know what is actually happening. On the other hand,

0:27:47.240 --> 0:27:51.359
<v Speaker 2>the WTA has decided that it's not his behavior is

0:27:51.440 --> 0:27:55.560
<v Speaker 2>not aligning with the guidelines of their code of Conduct.

0:27:56.080 --> 0:28:01.280
<v Speaker 2>And that's a strong statement and a strong decision on

0:28:01.400 --> 0:28:04.439
<v Speaker 2>part from the WTA. And they had their investigation. So

0:28:04.960 --> 0:28:07.600
<v Speaker 2>chances are they know things that I don't know because

0:28:07.600 --> 0:28:10.600
<v Speaker 2>I'm not around them. But they had an investigation, they

0:28:10.640 --> 0:28:14.800
<v Speaker 2>asked I think they had twenty people as witnesses. I

0:28:14.840 --> 0:28:20.280
<v Speaker 2>think around twenty people who came forth and gave witness statements,

0:28:20.720 --> 0:28:23.760
<v Speaker 2>and that's their decision, trying to protect the player. On

0:28:23.800 --> 0:28:26.200
<v Speaker 2>the other hand, the player doesn't want to be protected.

0:28:26.440 --> 0:28:29.280
<v Speaker 2>Rebakkena has come forth multiple times saying that she wants

0:28:29.320 --> 0:28:32.720
<v Speaker 2>him around and that she doesn't agree with the decision

0:28:32.760 --> 0:28:37.080
<v Speaker 2>that was made by the WTA. I honestly, Renee. That's

0:28:37.119 --> 0:28:39.440
<v Speaker 2>why I'm like stuttering. I don't know what to say,

0:28:39.480 --> 0:28:42.400
<v Speaker 2>because on the one hand, I really strongly believe in

0:28:42.520 --> 0:28:46.640
<v Speaker 2>independence and an adult player who has to take responsibility

0:28:46.640 --> 0:28:50.120
<v Speaker 2>and make decisions on themselves for themselves. On the other hand,

0:28:50.720 --> 0:28:53.840
<v Speaker 2>I've seen toxic relationships around me, and the thing is

0:28:53.880 --> 0:28:56.920
<v Speaker 2>that at one point you can't make decisions for yourself

0:28:56.960 --> 0:28:59.760
<v Speaker 2>any longer because you're so caught up in this dependence

0:29:00.080 --> 0:29:02.840
<v Speaker 2>that you're not thinking clearly. So that's why I'm really

0:29:02.880 --> 0:29:05.719
<v Speaker 2>at a loss for words, which rarely ever happens, because

0:29:06.000 --> 0:29:08.560
<v Speaker 2>what is it? It's hard to say from the outside.

0:29:08.720 --> 0:29:12.080
<v Speaker 2>Is she an adult and responsible enough to say, like,

0:29:12.120 --> 0:29:14.720
<v Speaker 2>I want him around and this is my decision, or

0:29:14.840 --> 0:29:17.320
<v Speaker 2>is she so dependent on him at this point of

0:29:17.360 --> 0:29:20.960
<v Speaker 2>her life that she can't think clearly? Had for me

0:29:21.040 --> 0:29:22.040
<v Speaker 2>to say, what do you think?

0:29:53.800 --> 0:29:57.200
<v Speaker 1>The w t A if because we have, because we

0:29:57.280 --> 0:30:00.760
<v Speaker 1>do rate things. The w t A basically in their

0:30:00.800 --> 0:30:03.640
<v Speaker 1>findings are saying that you made her dependent on you

0:30:03.760 --> 0:30:08.080
<v Speaker 1>essentially what made her. Yes, You've you've made her feel

0:30:08.120 --> 0:30:11.360
<v Speaker 1>like she can't play without you. And listen, I know

0:30:11.560 --> 0:30:15.800
<v Speaker 1>I have seen it way too. I mean we're talking

0:30:15.880 --> 0:30:20.040
<v Speaker 1>way too many times. I've been around a lot longer

0:30:20.040 --> 0:30:23.280
<v Speaker 1>than you, and I have seen so many of these

0:30:23.480 --> 0:30:29.040
<v Speaker 1>toxic coach player relationships where they literally say you are nothing,

0:30:29.400 --> 0:30:33.040
<v Speaker 1>you will be nothing, you are not going to be

0:30:33.120 --> 0:30:37.160
<v Speaker 1>good anymore. Without me, you didn't You wouldn't have done this.

0:30:37.280 --> 0:30:40.680
<v Speaker 1>Without me, you would still be in Russia picking potatoes,

0:30:40.920 --> 0:30:41.880
<v Speaker 1>is what he said to her.

0:30:41.960 --> 0:30:44.760
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's what quote from the New York Times article,

0:30:44.840 --> 0:30:45.360
<v Speaker 2>and that is.

0:30:45.280 --> 0:30:50.000
<v Speaker 1>From her a team member of hers. Okay, So now

0:30:50.120 --> 0:30:55.560
<v Speaker 1>the difference is the w T are getting factual information

0:30:55.720 --> 0:30:59.840
<v Speaker 1>from team members of Elena Rebukinger. Okay, so you think

0:31:00.000 --> 0:31:02.920
<v Speaker 1>about it. There's physios, there's fitness chainers that have been

0:31:02.920 --> 0:31:05.400
<v Speaker 1>with her for a long time that are now no

0:31:05.520 --> 0:31:09.280
<v Speaker 1>longer with her. So use your head and understand. So

0:31:09.360 --> 0:31:13.360
<v Speaker 1>when people are out there just absolutely ripping on us

0:31:13.440 --> 0:31:15.840
<v Speaker 1>for saying she's you know, or ripping on the WTA,

0:31:16.440 --> 0:31:20.680
<v Speaker 1>they have factual information of people around her on a

0:31:20.760 --> 0:31:24.640
<v Speaker 1>daily basis making these comments. Now, Okay, so think about

0:31:24.640 --> 0:31:27.479
<v Speaker 1>that for a second. All right, they saw the abuse,

0:31:27.560 --> 0:31:30.719
<v Speaker 1>they saw the mental abuse. They saw him throwing tennis

0:31:30.720 --> 0:31:34.600
<v Speaker 1>balls at her. That's physical abuse. First of all, they listen,

0:31:34.800 --> 0:31:38.479
<v Speaker 1>I've coached, I've been coached, I've seen other coaches. I

0:31:38.600 --> 0:31:42.000
<v Speaker 1>know what abuse is, and he is abusive to her. Period.

0:31:42.440 --> 0:31:44.920
<v Speaker 1>You can say whatever you want. I've seen him yelling

0:31:44.920 --> 0:31:47.560
<v Speaker 1>at her. I can be I could have been one

0:31:47.600 --> 0:31:49.840
<v Speaker 1>of those witnesses, and I probably was one of those

0:31:49.840 --> 0:31:53.320
<v Speaker 1>witnesses because they interviewed me years ago about him. Okay,

0:31:53.320 --> 0:31:56.520
<v Speaker 1>because I made comments on this podcast years ago about him,

0:31:56.720 --> 0:31:59.280
<v Speaker 1>and I never said anything about him abusing her. I

0:31:59.360 --> 0:32:01.600
<v Speaker 1>just said he was very, very negative, and I felt

0:32:01.640 --> 0:32:05.080
<v Speaker 1>like with a positive coach, Wow, how much better could

0:32:05.080 --> 0:32:07.360
<v Speaker 1>she be? Imagine how good she could be with a

0:32:07.400 --> 0:32:10.600
<v Speaker 1>really positive coach. And so those are the comments I

0:32:10.720 --> 0:32:14.400
<v Speaker 1>made about him. And then he actually, just so people know,

0:32:14.880 --> 0:32:17.200
<v Speaker 1>he contacted the WTA and wanted to come after me

0:32:17.320 --> 0:32:21.120
<v Speaker 1>for making those comments. Okay, so I'm putting out that publicly.

0:32:21.280 --> 0:32:24.040
<v Speaker 1>I have not told anyone that publicly. He came after

0:32:24.040 --> 0:32:26.640
<v Speaker 1>me and wanted to sue me, Okay for saying things

0:32:26.680 --> 0:32:32.480
<v Speaker 1>about him that were true that have been now investigated

0:32:32.520 --> 0:32:36.480
<v Speaker 1>for years are now true. He has been banned for

0:32:36.520 --> 0:32:39.560
<v Speaker 1>a year now because what I told them years ago

0:32:40.160 --> 0:32:42.520
<v Speaker 1>has been now backed up by several other people who

0:32:42.520 --> 0:32:45.760
<v Speaker 1>are in her actual team. Okay, So this is happening

0:32:45.800 --> 0:32:48.400
<v Speaker 1>on a consistent basis now a lot of people don't

0:32:48.400 --> 0:32:51.160
<v Speaker 1>say stuff. A lot of people want to be anonymous

0:32:51.320 --> 0:32:54.320
<v Speaker 1>because in the tennis world, just like you, just like me,

0:32:55.240 --> 0:32:58.240
<v Speaker 1>we have to interview Elena Rebakina. She is one of

0:32:58.320 --> 0:33:02.000
<v Speaker 1>the best players in the world, is a really nice person.

0:33:02.960 --> 0:33:05.920
<v Speaker 1>She has obviously had an adverse reaction to me for

0:33:06.080 --> 0:33:09.320
<v Speaker 1>years because of what I said about him years ago.

0:33:09.960 --> 0:33:12.720
<v Speaker 1>And so we are put into this quandary of a

0:33:12.760 --> 0:33:15.520
<v Speaker 1>problem of not being able to have this relationship with

0:33:15.560 --> 0:33:17.080
<v Speaker 1>her if she doesn't want to have a relationship with

0:33:17.160 --> 0:33:19.400
<v Speaker 1>us because of what we've said. Right, So, there's a

0:33:19.400 --> 0:33:21.680
<v Speaker 1>lot of people want to be anonymous because they want

0:33:21.720 --> 0:33:25.400
<v Speaker 1>to keep a good relationship with her. Our issue now

0:33:25.600 --> 0:33:29.120
<v Speaker 1>going forward is I don't care about my relationship with her.

0:33:29.200 --> 0:33:34.880
<v Speaker 1>She can hate me forever. My thinking now is somebody

0:33:34.920 --> 0:33:37.480
<v Speaker 1>needs to speak up about this and she needs to

0:33:37.480 --> 0:33:40.600
<v Speaker 1>be protected. And the WTA now have done that. They've

0:33:40.600 --> 0:33:43.800
<v Speaker 1>put their due diligence in, They've done this investigation for years,

0:33:44.040 --> 0:33:46.920
<v Speaker 1>and people can say whatever they want to me. For example,

0:33:47.200 --> 0:33:49.840
<v Speaker 1>I've been around a long time. I can see toxicity,

0:33:50.120 --> 0:33:52.920
<v Speaker 1>and that is a toxic relationship. And how is she

0:33:52.960 --> 0:33:55.320
<v Speaker 1>going to get out of this? I honestly don't know.

0:33:55.680 --> 0:33:56.640
<v Speaker 1>That's what I'm worried about.

0:33:56.720 --> 0:34:01.959
<v Speaker 2>Well, that's my question. My question is this, I agree

0:34:02.000 --> 0:34:05.200
<v Speaker 2>with everything you said. Obviously we've talked about this many

0:34:05.240 --> 0:34:09.319
<v Speaker 2>times on the podcast. Should he speak to her differently? Yes,

0:34:09.360 --> 0:34:12.520
<v Speaker 2>one hundred percent. The question for me is what I'm

0:34:12.600 --> 0:34:15.600
<v Speaker 2>asking and what I don't have the answer to. Is

0:34:15.640 --> 0:34:22.080
<v Speaker 2>it the WTA's task, Yes, because it's like what makes

0:34:22.120 --> 0:34:24.359
<v Speaker 2>her decide, you know what I mean? Or is she

0:34:24.400 --> 0:34:27.359
<v Speaker 2>an adult person that should decide for herself who she

0:34:27.400 --> 0:34:28.360
<v Speaker 2>wants to have around.

0:34:28.600 --> 0:34:30.799
<v Speaker 1>Well, they're kind of sort of doing that right now

0:34:30.800 --> 0:34:34.960
<v Speaker 1>because he can coach her away from any WTA sanctioned

0:34:35.000 --> 0:34:37.640
<v Speaker 1>event unless it's a Grand Slam, and Tennis Australia made

0:34:37.680 --> 0:34:40.600
<v Speaker 1>it very clear they don't want him on site, and

0:34:40.640 --> 0:34:43.280
<v Speaker 1>now they've said with this suspension that she cannot stay

0:34:43.280 --> 0:34:46.560
<v Speaker 1>with him in a player hotel. So she she wants

0:34:46.640 --> 0:34:49.439
<v Speaker 1>to stay with him in a player hotel, that can't

0:34:49.480 --> 0:34:51.279
<v Speaker 1>happen anymore. So she's going to have to pay for

0:34:51.360 --> 0:34:53.880
<v Speaker 1>her own room at a different hotel every single tournament

0:34:53.920 --> 0:34:55.239
<v Speaker 1>if he wants to come and stay with her in

0:34:55.239 --> 0:34:57.440
<v Speaker 1>a hotel room, which is what he did in Melbourne.

0:34:57.719 --> 0:34:59.960
<v Speaker 1>And the reason for that is is what Caitlyn point

0:35:00.120 --> 0:35:01.640
<v Speaker 1>it out last week, which I thought was a really

0:35:01.680 --> 0:35:03.440
<v Speaker 1>good way of putting it, is that if you're in

0:35:03.480 --> 0:35:06.279
<v Speaker 1>a business situation, and you have a toxic relationship there

0:35:06.560 --> 0:35:09.600
<v Speaker 1>and it's sort of like around other people the company

0:35:09.680 --> 0:35:11.520
<v Speaker 1>get to say no, no, no, no, this is not

0:35:11.600 --> 0:35:14.600
<v Speaker 1>an okay situation. People have come to me at HR

0:35:15.280 --> 0:35:20.440
<v Speaker 1>and have said, this is now affecting many days my workday,

0:35:20.920 --> 0:35:24.440
<v Speaker 1>my business and so frankly, like every single player could say,

0:35:24.480 --> 0:35:27.080
<v Speaker 1>and every coach which has come forward and this is

0:35:27.120 --> 0:35:28.960
<v Speaker 1>part of the investigation. If you read the New York

0:35:28.960 --> 0:35:31.520
<v Speaker 1>Times article and stuff we already knew. And guess what.

0:35:31.640 --> 0:35:35.280
<v Speaker 1>I've spoken to many a coach and many a fitness

0:35:35.320 --> 0:35:38.239
<v Speaker 1>trainer that have told me this exact story. So they're

0:35:38.239 --> 0:35:42.040
<v Speaker 1>obviously part of this investigation. And I won't name names

0:35:42.160 --> 0:35:44.480
<v Speaker 1>that have come forward and said this is the behavior

0:35:44.600 --> 0:35:48.840
<v Speaker 1>I saw him do, okay. These are first hand accounts

0:35:49.080 --> 0:35:52.759
<v Speaker 1>of situations where they felt the need to go and

0:35:52.800 --> 0:35:55.760
<v Speaker 1>tell the WTA of how he was acting and reacting

0:35:55.800 --> 0:35:59.959
<v Speaker 1>to her in plain view of players and other coaches.

0:36:00.640 --> 0:36:02.480
<v Speaker 1>That is not a work environment you want to be in.

0:36:02.960 --> 0:36:05.879
<v Speaker 1>Nobody wants to be around that. It's like living next

0:36:05.880 --> 0:36:09.520
<v Speaker 1>to an abusive relationship and not calling the cops. That's

0:36:09.560 --> 0:36:12.200
<v Speaker 1>exactly what's happening right now. So the coaches and other

0:36:12.400 --> 0:36:15.239
<v Speaker 1>coaches and players and fitness trainers and physios that are

0:36:15.280 --> 0:36:19.120
<v Speaker 1>around that situation with Yukov yelling and screaming at her

0:36:19.160 --> 0:36:22.120
<v Speaker 1>and being an asshole to her have had it and

0:36:22.160 --> 0:36:25.560
<v Speaker 1>they've gone and said something to the WTA and so yes,

0:36:25.840 --> 0:36:29.000
<v Speaker 1>in this situation, it is a toxic environment that is

0:36:29.080 --> 0:36:31.160
<v Speaker 1>not allowed in the code of contact on the w

0:36:31.320 --> 0:36:33.200
<v Speaker 1>TED tour, and it was put there for a reason

0:36:33.400 --> 0:36:35.960
<v Speaker 1>to stop people like this, to stop guys like this

0:36:36.120 --> 0:36:38.920
<v Speaker 1>taking advantage of young women. He's been with her since

0:36:38.960 --> 0:36:41.279
<v Speaker 1>she was like sixteen years of age. This is a

0:36:41.320 --> 0:36:46.959
<v Speaker 1>toxic relationship. The parents want him gone, the sister wants

0:36:47.000 --> 0:36:50.400
<v Speaker 1>him gone, like they know her. So this is where

0:36:50.480 --> 0:36:54.120
<v Speaker 1>it's gotten real tricky. And for Elena. I feel so

0:36:54.280 --> 0:36:56.960
<v Speaker 1>badly for her. She is stuck right in the middle

0:36:57.000 --> 0:37:02.600
<v Speaker 1>of this. I mean, it is cohersive behavior. It is

0:37:02.640 --> 0:37:05.160
<v Speaker 1>not good. I don't know what to say about it

0:37:05.200 --> 0:37:06.920
<v Speaker 1>other than that I think the WTA have done the

0:37:06.920 --> 0:37:07.680
<v Speaker 1>best that they can do.

0:37:07.800 --> 0:37:09.720
<v Speaker 2>I think so too. And that's a really good point

0:37:09.760 --> 0:37:11.880
<v Speaker 2>about the work environment, because if you were at a

0:37:11.920 --> 0:37:15.560
<v Speaker 2>company and somebody would yell at their like you would

0:37:15.560 --> 0:37:18.319
<v Speaker 2>see in a different department the boss yelling at their

0:37:19.520 --> 0:37:21.880
<v Speaker 2>at their secretary or something. You would also say something

0:37:21.880 --> 0:37:24.080
<v Speaker 2>to HR. That's a really really good point because it's

0:37:24.120 --> 0:37:27.360
<v Speaker 2>not only them, even though it's an individual, even though.

0:37:28.760 --> 0:37:31.400
<v Speaker 1>Board watching him yelling and screaming at her in the

0:37:31.440 --> 0:37:33.799
<v Speaker 1>gym in Australia. I remember that I went up to

0:37:33.840 --> 0:37:36.600
<v Speaker 1>another player who may have been playing doubles with her

0:37:36.640 --> 0:37:38.759
<v Speaker 1>at the time, I believe, and I said, what the fuck?

0:37:40.239 --> 0:37:42.040
<v Speaker 1>So we see this stuff?

0:37:42.560 --> 0:37:45.320
<v Speaker 2>I mean, I went I told his story on the podcast.

0:37:45.360 --> 0:37:47.920
<v Speaker 2>I think many times. I went up to him one

0:37:47.960 --> 0:37:49.960
<v Speaker 2>time and said like, what are you doing? And then

0:37:50.000 --> 0:37:54.080
<v Speaker 2>they just kind of went, it's just yeah, I mean.

0:37:54.600 --> 0:37:57.239
<v Speaker 1>That's you and okay, so you and me have seen

0:37:57.280 --> 0:38:00.440
<v Speaker 1>his behavior. That is the two of us. Imagine everybody

0:38:00.480 --> 0:38:03.839
<v Speaker 1>else onto it. Everyone else is saying this, and some

0:38:03.840 --> 0:38:06.160
<v Speaker 1>people close their eyes to it and say it's not

0:38:06.200 --> 0:38:09.120
<v Speaker 1>my problem. But you know, I know that there was

0:38:09.160 --> 0:38:11.080
<v Speaker 1>a top player that saw her in Abba Dhabi and

0:38:11.120 --> 0:38:13.120
<v Speaker 1>saw him there and said to her, what the fuck?

0:38:14.400 --> 0:38:17.800
<v Speaker 1>So Pias do care? Yeah? Pi Is It probably shouldn't

0:38:17.840 --> 0:38:21.000
<v Speaker 1>care if she's mentally healthy because I have to play

0:38:21.040 --> 0:38:24.799
<v Speaker 1>against her. Yeah, are going what the fuck? So? Yeah?

0:38:24.840 --> 0:38:27.440
<v Speaker 2>Anyway, Well, and I think a really important point that

0:38:27.600 --> 0:38:29.879
<v Speaker 2>was made in the New York Times article is that

0:38:30.200 --> 0:38:33.560
<v Speaker 2>whether because of it or whether in general, but her

0:38:33.600 --> 0:38:37.080
<v Speaker 2>health has suffered tremendously from the toll that all of

0:38:37.120 --> 0:38:39.360
<v Speaker 2>this has taken on her. And it was very clearly

0:38:40.640 --> 0:38:43.239
<v Speaker 2>stated in the New York Times article. If you have

0:38:43.360 --> 0:38:45.520
<v Speaker 2>the time to read it, I would recommend it just

0:38:45.560 --> 0:38:47.279
<v Speaker 2>to make it because I think what I liked about

0:38:47.280 --> 0:38:51.680
<v Speaker 2>the article. Yes, it's lengthy, but he's just they are

0:38:53.200 --> 0:38:58.240
<v Speaker 2>basically telling you all the situations that they could confirm

0:38:58.280 --> 0:39:01.480
<v Speaker 2>from multiple witnesses, and it's up to you to decide

0:39:01.600 --> 0:39:02.680
<v Speaker 2>what you think about it.

0:39:02.760 --> 0:39:05.239
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I think behavior at the US Open last year

0:39:05.360 --> 0:39:08.560
<v Speaker 1>was just appalling. That's where it really hit the fan

0:39:09.280 --> 0:39:12.440
<v Speaker 1>after she basically flicked him after in August, so prior

0:39:12.480 --> 0:39:14.719
<v Speaker 1>to the US Open. But yes, read the article. Let

0:39:14.800 --> 0:39:18.080
<v Speaker 1>us know your thoughts. Actually tweet to us or don't

0:39:18.080 --> 0:39:18.600
<v Speaker 1>tweet to us.

0:39:18.640 --> 0:39:20.279
<v Speaker 2>I don't. I delayed the leaded for you.

0:39:20.520 --> 0:39:23.680
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, because Blue Sky us or put us on threads.

0:39:24.239 --> 0:39:25.360
<v Speaker 1>We're on Blue Sky and threads.

0:39:25.360 --> 0:39:28.439
<v Speaker 2>So I deleted it just for why if in case

0:39:28.480 --> 0:39:32.560
<v Speaker 2>somebody mentions me there. Elon Musk supported the Nazi Party

0:39:32.600 --> 0:39:35.640
<v Speaker 2>and endorsed the Nazi Party in Germany. And that was

0:39:35.840 --> 0:39:40.280
<v Speaker 2>my last star that broke the camel's back because Nazi Party.

0:39:40.320 --> 0:39:43.800
<v Speaker 2>You know, it's not like it's in Germany. The Nazi Party.

0:39:43.960 --> 0:39:47.400
<v Speaker 2>You cannot do this. This is Germany, like both, friend,

0:39:48.040 --> 0:39:50.239
<v Speaker 2>this is Germany. You can't support the Nazi Party.

0:39:50.360 --> 0:39:54.480
<v Speaker 1>Why why don't the German authorities ban X in Germany?

0:39:55.360 --> 0:39:56.120
<v Speaker 1>That would be great.

0:39:56.719 --> 0:39:58.719
<v Speaker 2>I don't think you can do that free you know,

0:39:59.040 --> 0:40:01.000
<v Speaker 2>free speech and so on and so forth.

0:40:02.200 --> 0:40:05.520
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, anyway, that's a whole difference to even remotely get

0:40:05.560 --> 0:40:07.360
<v Speaker 1>me started. But now you've maybe think it's time for

0:40:07.400 --> 0:40:07.920
<v Speaker 1>me to get rid of.

0:40:07.920 --> 0:40:10.560
<v Speaker 2>It as I'm not even political, but that was such

0:40:10.560 --> 0:40:12.560
<v Speaker 2>an no go for me. I just I deleted it

0:40:12.640 --> 0:40:13.280
<v Speaker 2>right away.

0:40:13.160 --> 0:40:16.360
<v Speaker 1>Working arsehole. He's such an asshole. Okay again, let's not

0:40:16.360 --> 0:40:19.239
<v Speaker 1>get into that, all right, Let's get to some good news.

0:40:19.640 --> 0:40:22.000
<v Speaker 1>Good news. Yeah, the last finally, Oh my god, this

0:40:22.080 --> 0:40:24.360
<v Speaker 1>was thank you because this was heavy. Yes, we have

0:40:24.440 --> 0:40:29.880
<v Speaker 1>had heavy forty minutes so far. Amanda, Yeah, can we

0:40:29.920 --> 0:40:32.320
<v Speaker 1>talk about Amanda Anissa Moba. I want to talk about

0:40:32.320 --> 0:40:34.479
<v Speaker 1>her in more ways than just well done for winning

0:40:34.480 --> 0:40:38.319
<v Speaker 1>the tournament. This is a kid that was well like

0:40:38.400 --> 0:40:42.680
<v Speaker 1>years ago, was seen as the next big thing, right,

0:40:42.800 --> 0:40:45.680
<v Speaker 1>winning tournaments. You know, she's the next Maria Sharapa over

0:40:45.800 --> 0:40:46.560
<v Speaker 1>blah blah blah.

0:40:46.600 --> 0:40:46.719
<v Speaker 2>Right.

0:40:48.120 --> 0:40:50.160
<v Speaker 1>I want to talk about the fact that she lost

0:40:50.160 --> 0:40:54.200
<v Speaker 1>her father years ago. He was her coach. He was

0:40:54.200 --> 0:40:57.440
<v Speaker 1>probably the most important mentor in her life in her

0:40:57.440 --> 0:41:01.080
<v Speaker 1>tennis career. She's had a hard couple of years since then.

0:41:02.080 --> 0:41:04.520
<v Speaker 1>She had a great couple bit of a run, and

0:41:04.560 --> 0:41:06.799
<v Speaker 1>then Darren k Hill called it quits on her at

0:41:06.800 --> 0:41:08.600
<v Speaker 1>the start of a really good start of the year.

0:41:09.160 --> 0:41:12.319
<v Speaker 1>It was in the COVID years, and a lot of

0:41:12.320 --> 0:41:14.399
<v Speaker 1>people were like, Yeah, she's gonna yeah, she's coming back,

0:41:14.440 --> 0:41:16.520
<v Speaker 1>this is great. And then Darren sort of pulled the

0:41:16.640 --> 0:41:18.600
<v Speaker 1>rug out because he was just dealing with his own

0:41:18.600 --> 0:41:21.719
<v Speaker 1>physical and mental health issues that he needed to go

0:41:21.800 --> 0:41:23.759
<v Speaker 1>home and didn't want to travel all that much at

0:41:23.760 --> 0:41:28.239
<v Speaker 1>that time of the year. And then she walked away

0:41:28.239 --> 0:41:30.799
<v Speaker 1>from the sport for like almost a year. Was it

0:41:30.840 --> 0:41:31.160
<v Speaker 1>a year?

0:41:32.080 --> 0:41:34.760
<v Speaker 2>Eight months? I would say yeah, because.

0:41:34.400 --> 0:41:40.040
<v Speaker 1>She mentally was fried. And I think the combination of

0:41:40.080 --> 0:41:44.279
<v Speaker 1>her probably her father's death and the expectation and the

0:41:44.280 --> 0:41:47.320
<v Speaker 1>physical part of it, and her own emotional wellness.

0:41:48.360 --> 0:41:50.560
<v Speaker 2>She also struggled with injuries every now.

0:41:50.560 --> 0:41:52.400
<v Speaker 1>It was just like, I need to step away. She

0:41:52.520 --> 0:41:54.840
<v Speaker 1>started painting, she started doing all this other stuff.

0:41:54.880 --> 0:41:57.160
<v Speaker 2>She went did some courses at college.

0:41:57.200 --> 0:42:01.239
<v Speaker 1>She just glimped away. And I don't know if you

0:42:01.280 --> 0:42:04.520
<v Speaker 1>saw my Instagram when she won, and I just said

0:42:05.080 --> 0:42:07.240
<v Speaker 1>along the lines of I'm so proud of this girl

0:42:07.320 --> 0:42:10.840
<v Speaker 1>who basically trusted her own gut and trusted her own

0:42:10.840 --> 0:42:13.399
<v Speaker 1>instincts to step away from the game and come back

0:42:13.440 --> 0:42:17.080
<v Speaker 1>and won her biggest tournament this year. After having a

0:42:17.160 --> 0:42:19.040
<v Speaker 1>good run at the Strain Open and losing a match

0:42:19.080 --> 0:42:20.480
<v Speaker 1>that we all thought she should have won.

0:42:20.560 --> 0:42:24.120
<v Speaker 2>Sheat She lost in the second round against Emma rod

0:42:24.200 --> 0:42:26.360
<v Speaker 2>Ukanah that she was up for to one in the

0:42:26.400 --> 0:42:29.080
<v Speaker 2>first I think three to zero in the second, and

0:42:29.160 --> 0:42:30.160
<v Speaker 2>she was up a break.

0:42:30.480 --> 0:42:33.440
<v Speaker 1>But she stayed in Australia for like two weeks after that.

0:42:34.400 --> 0:42:35.880
<v Speaker 1>The whole I was like, what are you still doing here?

0:42:35.920 --> 0:42:38.040
<v Speaker 1>She's like, oh, I'm playing Singapore and then playing in

0:42:38.239 --> 0:42:39.840
<v Speaker 1>you know, Doha and Dubai, and I was like, oh

0:42:39.880 --> 0:42:42.560
<v Speaker 1>my god. So she literally just got home to Florida.

0:42:42.560 --> 0:42:44.480
<v Speaker 1>I was speaking to her last night, literally on the

0:42:44.520 --> 0:42:47.600
<v Speaker 1>plane ride home, and so she was way that whole time.

0:42:47.640 --> 0:42:49.920
<v Speaker 1>She put them work in in Melbourne and then went

0:42:49.960 --> 0:42:55.840
<v Speaker 1>and won in Doha, and I'm just so I just

0:42:56.000 --> 0:42:59.279
<v Speaker 1>hope every tennis player realizes you don't need to play

0:42:59.320 --> 0:43:02.360
<v Speaker 1>every week. You don't need to prove yourself all the time.

0:43:02.840 --> 0:43:05.520
<v Speaker 1>And after Mattie Keys, Wenday Strain opened saying I wanted

0:43:05.520 --> 0:43:08.320
<v Speaker 1>this so badly, but I didn't. I knew I didn't

0:43:08.400 --> 0:43:10.520
<v Speaker 1>need it. And for a man a Nissam over to

0:43:10.560 --> 0:43:13.680
<v Speaker 1>walk away from the game, going I don't need this sport.

0:43:13.960 --> 0:43:16.560
<v Speaker 1>What do I want? I want to take care of

0:43:16.560 --> 0:43:20.680
<v Speaker 1>myself and then realized I love playing this sport. I'm

0:43:20.680 --> 0:43:21.880
<v Speaker 1>going to come back and I'm going to do it

0:43:21.880 --> 0:43:23.239
<v Speaker 1>and I'm going to do it one hundred percent. And

0:43:23.280 --> 0:43:26.919
<v Speaker 1>then look what happened. So and then went and lost

0:43:26.960 --> 0:43:28.719
<v Speaker 1>in Dubai. And one of the things I talked to

0:43:28.719 --> 0:43:30.840
<v Speaker 1>her about was, well, maybe you know, it's a lesson

0:43:30.840 --> 0:43:32.120
<v Speaker 1>that maybe you shouldn't have played.

0:43:32.560 --> 0:43:34.960
<v Speaker 2>We were talking about it on TC LAB. I was like,

0:43:35.040 --> 0:43:36.799
<v Speaker 2>is she going to play? I don't believe, but she

0:43:36.880 --> 0:43:38.400
<v Speaker 2>went good for her Honestly.

0:43:38.520 --> 0:43:40.719
<v Speaker 1>Her words to me were I wanted to see I wanted,

0:43:40.960 --> 0:43:42.200
<v Speaker 1>you know, to be a good play. You've got to

0:43:42.239 --> 0:43:44.120
<v Speaker 1>do these week after week you got to put it,

0:43:44.120 --> 0:43:46.560
<v Speaker 1>and I said, yes, that's true, and maybe this is

0:43:46.600 --> 0:43:48.040
<v Speaker 1>a lesson for you to learn what you need to

0:43:48.080 --> 0:43:49.840
<v Speaker 1>do to prepare it for that next tournament.

0:43:50.000 --> 0:43:53.640
<v Speaker 2>Okay, but this is tough because a lost first round.

0:43:53.719 --> 0:43:58.120
<v Speaker 2>Alexandrova lost first round, Amanda, So everyone who did well

0:43:58.160 --> 0:44:01.680
<v Speaker 2>in Doha lost first round or second round. Right in Dubai.

0:44:02.000 --> 0:44:05.320
<v Speaker 2>These are the two. Even though it's forty five minutes flight,

0:44:05.840 --> 0:44:08.759
<v Speaker 2>it's maybe the most opposite from each other. You can

0:44:08.800 --> 0:44:09.200
<v Speaker 2>be in.

0:44:09.200 --> 0:44:11.280
<v Speaker 1>Ters five minute flight. Don't you have to go around?

0:44:11.360 --> 0:44:13.200
<v Speaker 2>Well, now you have to go around, but because of

0:44:13.320 --> 0:44:14.720
<v Speaker 2>some kind of yes.

0:44:14.640 --> 0:44:15.880
<v Speaker 1>You have to go around Iran.

0:44:16.120 --> 0:44:20.239
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, there was this. I think Guitar and Iran have

0:44:20.320 --> 0:44:22.520
<v Speaker 2>a no flights. I don't want to get into because

0:44:22.520 --> 0:44:24.720
<v Speaker 2>I'm not sure and I don't want to say wrong things.

0:44:24.920 --> 0:44:25.719
<v Speaker 2>But it used to be.

0:44:27.560 --> 0:44:33.880
<v Speaker 1>Exactly like try Pekovitch's seen as debating the Middle East Conference.

0:44:35.560 --> 0:44:37.520
<v Speaker 2>So I have no idea, but you're right. It used

0:44:37.560 --> 0:44:39.520
<v Speaker 2>to be a forty five minute flight, and then there

0:44:39.600 --> 0:44:41.719
<v Speaker 2>was some kind of no flight zone, so now you

0:44:41.800 --> 0:44:43.320
<v Speaker 2>have to go I remember that.

0:44:43.320 --> 0:44:44.080
<v Speaker 1>You're like, what the fuck?

0:44:44.280 --> 0:44:44.440
<v Speaker 2>Yes?

0:44:44.680 --> 0:44:45.680
<v Speaker 1>Used to be way quicker?

0:44:45.840 --> 0:44:48.759
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, yeah, you're right, but anyway, so despite it

0:44:48.840 --> 0:44:53.640
<v Speaker 2>being very close in terms of in terms of geometry geography,

0:44:54.680 --> 0:44:59.320
<v Speaker 2>in geometry geometry, it is actually conditions wise the most

0:45:00.120 --> 0:45:04.839
<v Speaker 2>the sit of whatever you can. So in Doha, you

0:45:04.880 --> 0:45:09.240
<v Speaker 2>play at night, it gets so cold and so slow.

0:45:09.400 --> 0:45:13.480
<v Speaker 2>The courts are gritty, it's slow. You can barely hit

0:45:13.520 --> 0:45:16.000
<v Speaker 2>an ace. That's why Ega always plays well there. She's

0:45:16.040 --> 0:45:19.080
<v Speaker 2>one of three times already and lost Tosa panclin the semis.

0:45:19.400 --> 0:45:23.080
<v Speaker 2>But it's like for these players who have a bit

0:45:23.080 --> 0:45:26.359
<v Speaker 2>of spin on it, it's perfect right, and talking about

0:45:26.400 --> 0:45:28.520
<v Speaker 2>Amanda winning a bit of spin on it, and then

0:45:28.600 --> 0:45:33.040
<v Speaker 2>Dubai is super fast. It's like the fastest hardcore we

0:45:33.080 --> 0:45:35.600
<v Speaker 2>have on the WTA tour. You played during the day,

0:45:35.680 --> 0:45:38.560
<v Speaker 2>it gets hot and dry and the ball fly. So

0:45:38.600 --> 0:45:40.839
<v Speaker 2>it's literally the opposite from each other.

0:45:40.960 --> 0:45:43.279
<v Speaker 1>That's why, like it's very rare to see people win

0:45:43.360 --> 0:45:44.800
<v Speaker 1>Indian Wells and then win Miami.

0:45:44.920 --> 0:45:48.480
<v Speaker 2>Yes, it's very similar to this differ. It's actually very similar,

0:45:48.880 --> 0:45:51.600
<v Speaker 2>with the big exception that in the welles, if you

0:45:51.640 --> 0:45:54.359
<v Speaker 2>lose early you have a week to prepare. Even if

0:45:54.360 --> 0:45:56.399
<v Speaker 2>you go far, you still have four or five days.

0:45:56.920 --> 0:46:02.320
<v Speaker 2>Dubai and Dubai, so Amanda played on Saturday the final Endoha,

0:46:02.360 --> 0:46:06.160
<v Speaker 2>and she played on Monday morning, Yeah, like Monday first

0:46:06.200 --> 0:46:08.719
<v Speaker 2>match or something like. She played her next match, so

0:46:08.760 --> 0:46:12.239
<v Speaker 2>she had a day to travel, celebrate, get ready, and

0:46:12.239 --> 0:46:13.200
<v Speaker 2>then play another match.

0:46:13.280 --> 0:46:16.160
<v Speaker 1>This is good love impossible, which is why I'm really

0:46:16.239 --> 0:46:19.480
<v Speaker 1>proud of Madison Keys, because I know I don't take

0:46:19.560 --> 0:46:21.600
<v Speaker 1>credit for this, but I did see beyond after the

0:46:21.600 --> 0:46:24.120
<v Speaker 1>Austrain Open, and I said, if there's one advice I

0:46:24.120 --> 0:46:26.360
<v Speaker 1>could give you from people I did not win a

0:46:26.400 --> 0:46:29.399
<v Speaker 1>singles Grand Slam, but from people that did that sort

0:46:29.400 --> 0:46:31.200
<v Speaker 1>of it was like a bit of a shock to them,

0:46:31.560 --> 0:46:34.560
<v Speaker 1>including Sam Stozer, who I talked to about it. Sam

0:46:34.680 --> 0:46:37.239
<v Speaker 1>regrets playing immediately after winning the US Open. She wished

0:46:37.239 --> 0:46:41.080
<v Speaker 1>she hadn't gone to Asia, and I suggested to be on.

0:46:41.160 --> 0:46:43.239
<v Speaker 1>I'm like, why why are you going to Dohandubai. It's

0:46:43.280 --> 0:46:45.759
<v Speaker 1>in like ten days. There's so much shit she's going

0:46:45.800 --> 0:46:48.319
<v Speaker 1>to be doing. Get her And Sam said, a great thing.

0:46:48.400 --> 0:46:49.880
<v Speaker 1>And I don't know if you listened to it, but

0:46:49.960 --> 0:46:53.279
<v Speaker 1>she said, just because she won the Austrain Open doesn't

0:46:53.280 --> 0:46:55.640
<v Speaker 1>guarantee you're going to win your next match, So you've

0:46:55.640 --> 0:46:58.000
<v Speaker 1>got to be prepared to put that same effort in

0:46:58.239 --> 0:47:00.960
<v Speaker 1>mentally and physically for the next time you play. And

0:47:01.200 --> 0:47:03.040
<v Speaker 1>I think that's a great idea that she chose not

0:47:03.080 --> 0:47:04.960
<v Speaker 1>to go to the Middle East. And I think Maddie

0:47:05.000 --> 0:47:06.200
<v Speaker 1>Keys is going to be really tough to beat in

0:47:06.239 --> 0:47:09.520
<v Speaker 1>Indie Wells because of that now. But anyway, Yeah, but

0:47:09.719 --> 0:47:11.120
<v Speaker 1>really for Amanda.

0:47:10.840 --> 0:47:14.120
<v Speaker 2>No, im really happy you made the mental points amazingly.

0:47:14.880 --> 0:47:17.120
<v Speaker 2>One hundred percent agree with you. But I just wanted

0:47:17.120 --> 0:47:18.960
<v Speaker 2>to talk about her tennis a little bit because I

0:47:19.040 --> 0:47:21.839
<v Speaker 2>called all her matches in Doha and it was not

0:47:21.880 --> 0:47:25.239
<v Speaker 2>only the mental side, but she improved so much. So

0:47:25.360 --> 0:47:28.480
<v Speaker 2>two things that we all knew about Amanda. She doesn't

0:47:28.520 --> 0:47:32.279
<v Speaker 2>have a lot of spin, and especially on the forehand side, right,

0:47:32.360 --> 0:47:34.759
<v Speaker 2>she has a bit of margin. Now it's not going

0:47:34.800 --> 0:47:38.080
<v Speaker 2>to be an Egociontec forehand, a Jasmine Paulini forehand, but

0:47:38.120 --> 0:47:40.040
<v Speaker 2>she has a bit of height on the forehand she

0:47:40.080 --> 0:47:42.680
<v Speaker 2>has a bit more security. And what it helped her

0:47:42.680 --> 0:47:44.800
<v Speaker 2>with there was the other thing we always talked about Amanda.

0:47:44.840 --> 0:47:46.920
<v Speaker 2>She plays amazing the first set and a half, but

0:47:47.000 --> 0:47:49.319
<v Speaker 2>then she tends to get nervous, right, and it's not

0:47:49.360 --> 0:47:51.160
<v Speaker 2>that she gets and this is a very important point.

0:47:51.160 --> 0:47:52.919
<v Speaker 2>I want to make. It's not that she gets more

0:47:52.960 --> 0:47:56.320
<v Speaker 2>nervous than others, but she has less margin than others.

0:47:56.640 --> 0:47:59.840
<v Speaker 2>So when Amanda gets nervous, the balls start to go everywhere,

0:48:00.080 --> 0:48:02.600
<v Speaker 2>whereas somebody like Ego, when she gets nervous, she can

0:48:02.640 --> 0:48:05.920
<v Speaker 2>still make a lot of balls. Sure, exactly, it's just

0:48:05.960 --> 0:48:08.920
<v Speaker 2>shorter in the court. Angie was the best example. Kerber.

0:48:09.000 --> 0:48:11.520
<v Speaker 2>When she got nervous, she still made you play thirty

0:48:11.719 --> 0:48:15.160
<v Speaker 2>five shot rellies. She just played a bit shorter. But Amanda,

0:48:15.200 --> 0:48:17.759
<v Speaker 2>with that little margin, that is the thing. And she

0:48:18.000 --> 0:48:20.040
<v Speaker 2>because she had that bit of more spin on her

0:48:20.160 --> 0:48:22.680
<v Speaker 2>on her forehand, she didn't get so nervous. She had

0:48:22.719 --> 0:48:25.040
<v Speaker 2>only one match where she got tight. That was against

0:48:25.040 --> 0:48:27.400
<v Speaker 2>Marta accostuc That was the toughest match of all for her.

0:48:27.640 --> 0:48:29.520
<v Speaker 2>It's the only set she's lost. She was up for

0:48:29.760 --> 0:48:32.200
<v Speaker 2>one and I think forty fifteen in the first set

0:48:32.440 --> 0:48:34.680
<v Speaker 2>to win the first set, and then lost it. But

0:48:34.760 --> 0:48:37.759
<v Speaker 2>that's also the new mental side of her, the new

0:48:37.800 --> 0:48:40.200
<v Speaker 2>mental forty two. She came back and wanted seven five

0:48:40.320 --> 0:48:43.120
<v Speaker 2>sixty four after that, which I thought was an incredible

0:48:43.160 --> 0:48:46.080
<v Speaker 2>statement to the rest of the draw, saying like, yes,

0:48:46.360 --> 0:48:48.759
<v Speaker 2>I got nervous, but I bounced back and I played well,

0:48:48.800 --> 0:48:51.439
<v Speaker 2>and she played an amazing final. She did not get

0:48:51.480 --> 0:48:53.560
<v Speaker 2>nervous at all, served it out like a champ. No,

0:48:53.680 --> 0:48:57.880
<v Speaker 2>she actually broke to win it. And the back and

0:48:57.960 --> 0:49:00.840
<v Speaker 2>down the line is still as mesmerizing ever and the

0:49:00.880 --> 0:49:03.640
<v Speaker 2>shots are still as clean as ever, just with that

0:49:03.719 --> 0:49:09.240
<v Speaker 2>added margin and that edit added taking care of her nerves.

0:49:09.280 --> 0:49:11.400
<v Speaker 2>She was the best player there and she deserved to

0:49:11.400 --> 0:49:12.000
<v Speaker 2>win the tournament.

0:49:12.040 --> 0:49:14.280
<v Speaker 1>And I just think, you know, taking care of herself

0:49:14.360 --> 0:49:17.399
<v Speaker 1>mentally over the last couple of years has really made

0:49:17.400 --> 0:49:19.719
<v Speaker 1>a difference with her winning these matches as well, because

0:49:19.719 --> 0:49:22.600
<v Speaker 1>she's like Maddie, it's not life and death anymore. It's

0:49:22.600 --> 0:49:25.040
<v Speaker 1>about I want to play because I enjoy it. And

0:49:25.120 --> 0:49:28.319
<v Speaker 1>so just I'm just ultra ultra proud of what she

0:49:28.400 --> 0:49:31.200
<v Speaker 1>was able to do. Can we just briefly talk about

0:49:31.239 --> 0:49:34.160
<v Speaker 1>the fact that Ostar Panko is now five and oer against.

0:49:34.280 --> 0:49:36.040
<v Speaker 1>If there's one player on the drawer that Egert like

0:49:36.320 --> 0:49:41.520
<v Speaker 1>just hopes is nowhere, what the fuck? Five and O? Now, Okay,

0:49:41.600 --> 0:49:43.960
<v Speaker 1>you did the match the match, and we talked about

0:49:43.960 --> 0:49:46.960
<v Speaker 1>it prior to the pod. Give me your thoughts on

0:49:47.080 --> 0:49:48.680
<v Speaker 1>why Eager cannot win a match?

0:49:48.800 --> 0:49:51.640
<v Speaker 2>So there is two things. It's partly because of us

0:49:51.640 --> 0:49:54.960
<v Speaker 2>Stepanco and partly because of Eager. One part of Sapanko.

0:49:55.000 --> 0:49:57.719
<v Speaker 2>I want to talk about that quickly. She's so motivated

0:49:57.719 --> 0:50:00.359
<v Speaker 2>against Eager. She came out, she had to determine in

0:50:00.360 --> 0:50:04.000
<v Speaker 2>her face. She really wanted once to win these matches.

0:50:04.040 --> 0:50:06.440
<v Speaker 2>That's number one. Number two, she believes she can win

0:50:06.480 --> 0:50:08.960
<v Speaker 2>because she has done it four times before and now

0:50:09.040 --> 0:50:11.480
<v Speaker 2>for the fifth time in Doha. And the third thing,

0:50:11.520 --> 0:50:14.600
<v Speaker 2>and not enough people talk about it. Ostapenko is actually

0:50:14.640 --> 0:50:16.680
<v Speaker 2>a little bit different to the other girls. A lot

0:50:16.719 --> 0:50:19.840
<v Speaker 2>of girls, most I want to say, have their preferential

0:50:19.960 --> 0:50:23.680
<v Speaker 2>strike zone around hip high. Ostapenko prefers it a bit

0:50:23.760 --> 0:50:26.920
<v Speaker 2>higher than hip hi. She actually likes when it sits

0:50:26.960 --> 0:50:28.680
<v Speaker 2>a little and she can go. If you think about

0:50:28.719 --> 0:50:31.560
<v Speaker 2>the play, not too high, no, no, no, just a

0:50:31.600 --> 0:50:34.160
<v Speaker 2>bit higher, maybe an inch to two.

0:50:34.080 --> 0:50:36.319
<v Speaker 1>About exactly where Ega hits it.

0:50:36.640 --> 0:50:39.120
<v Speaker 2>Exactly where Ega hits it. So this is terrible matchup

0:50:39.160 --> 0:50:41.600
<v Speaker 2>for Ega. And if you think about where Ostapenko has

0:50:41.640 --> 0:50:44.719
<v Speaker 2>triumphed in the past French Open, and if you think

0:50:44.760 --> 0:50:48.919
<v Speaker 2>about the player she's beat there, Stoser, Osniaki Halip, those

0:50:48.920 --> 0:50:51.600
<v Speaker 2>are all tremendous I know Sam was.

0:50:52.280 --> 0:50:55.680
<v Speaker 1>Her winning record against her. Broke her hand in that match, Yes,

0:50:55.800 --> 0:50:58.520
<v Speaker 1>the year she won the French Open. Okay, broke her

0:50:58.560 --> 0:50:59.800
<v Speaker 1>hand in the match.

0:51:00.840 --> 0:51:02.440
<v Speaker 2>But if you think about if you go and I

0:51:02.520 --> 0:51:02.759
<v Speaker 2>had a.

0:51:02.719 --> 0:51:04.799
<v Speaker 1>Good record against her, yeah you know why.

0:51:04.560 --> 0:51:07.839
<v Speaker 2>Because she hits it even higher and slice. That's the thing.

0:51:07.960 --> 0:51:10.640
<v Speaker 2>And the thing is if you look at Ostapenko's big

0:51:10.680 --> 0:51:13.640
<v Speaker 2>successes at the French Open, the players she's played, they

0:51:13.680 --> 0:51:16.160
<v Speaker 2>played a bit higher and they don't play so fast.

0:51:16.239 --> 0:51:19.640
<v Speaker 2>Was Niaki haleeb right. And the thing is with Ostapenko

0:51:19.760 --> 0:51:22.600
<v Speaker 2>she hates playing other like it's it's like a weird

0:51:23.120 --> 0:51:26.360
<v Speaker 2>rule of life. Big hitters hate playing other big hitters.

0:51:26.360 --> 0:51:29.080
<v Speaker 2>She came out against Anisimova and she looked overwhelmed. She

0:51:29.120 --> 0:51:31.120
<v Speaker 2>was like, what, I don't have time, She was late

0:51:31.200 --> 0:51:34.240
<v Speaker 2>on everything. So big hitters hate playing other big hitters.

0:51:34.239 --> 0:51:38.120
<v Speaker 2>So Ostapenko loves EGA's game. She just plays well against her.

0:51:38.160 --> 0:51:40.279
<v Speaker 2>Even if she has lost ten times first round, she

0:51:40.320 --> 0:51:43.160
<v Speaker 2>will play Ega and she will feel comfortable. That was

0:51:43.200 --> 0:51:45.759
<v Speaker 2>the one part. The other part about EGA's game is

0:51:46.160 --> 0:51:49.200
<v Speaker 2>she did so well with win by her side to

0:51:49.400 --> 0:51:52.760
<v Speaker 2>not ballbash with other ball bashers. In the recent times,

0:51:52.800 --> 0:51:56.279
<v Speaker 2>since she's She did well at the Austrian Open. She

0:51:56.400 --> 0:51:58.600
<v Speaker 2>just got out played by Madison Keys, but she hadn't

0:51:58.600 --> 0:52:00.839
<v Speaker 2>met at one point exactly, she had a match point,

0:52:00.920 --> 0:52:03.560
<v Speaker 2>so she's doing a lot better. She beat her Bakina

0:52:03.600 --> 0:52:06.160
<v Speaker 2>now twice in a row, a player she hated playing.

0:52:06.440 --> 0:52:08.680
<v Speaker 2>She beat her at the United Cup and she beat

0:52:08.719 --> 0:52:11.560
<v Speaker 2>her Heandoha, and she beat Noskova, who had won the

0:52:11.600 --> 0:52:14.080
<v Speaker 2>first set, who she also doesn't like playing she.

0:52:14.120 --> 0:52:15.719
<v Speaker 1>Lost to, and who she's lost to.

0:52:15.800 --> 0:52:18.200
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and she did well with like putting a bit

0:52:18.200 --> 0:52:21.680
<v Speaker 2>of margin on staying closer to her Dna that is

0:52:21.760 --> 0:52:23.839
<v Speaker 2>more of a clay cult player, right that can play

0:52:23.920 --> 0:52:26.680
<v Speaker 2>very aggressive but has that heavy spin can open the court.

0:52:27.239 --> 0:52:31.000
<v Speaker 2>And she started playing Ostapenko and went straight back into

0:52:31.040 --> 0:52:34.640
<v Speaker 2>the she isolashing. She regressed to the ego we saw

0:52:34.719 --> 0:52:37.360
<v Speaker 2>last year on the quick hardcourts when she would panic

0:52:37.400 --> 0:52:39.600
<v Speaker 2>and just ball bash with the other players, and she

0:52:39.680 --> 0:52:42.760
<v Speaker 2>did exactly that against Ostapenko. And I understand it because

0:52:42.760 --> 0:52:44.799
<v Speaker 2>when you have a negative head to head that is

0:52:44.880 --> 0:52:47.560
<v Speaker 2>so bad, you start to lose clarity, and that's what

0:52:47.600 --> 0:52:48.720
<v Speaker 2>she did. She lost clarity.

0:52:48.960 --> 0:52:52.239
<v Speaker 1>Okay, so if you're losing clarity, you're not clear right,

0:52:52.440 --> 0:52:54.320
<v Speaker 1>you're not clear on what you need to do. That's different.

0:52:54.360 --> 0:52:56.440
<v Speaker 1>And I think that reason why she went back to

0:52:56.480 --> 0:53:00.000
<v Speaker 1>ball bashing against Ostapenko. So she feels like, I get

0:53:00.080 --> 0:53:04.759
<v Speaker 1>the first strike in exactly because Ostapenko there's no there's

0:53:04.760 --> 0:53:07.080
<v Speaker 1>nothing in Ostapenko's brain that says I'm going to play

0:53:07.080 --> 0:53:09.520
<v Speaker 1>a long point here. I'm just gonna go for it.

0:53:09.719 --> 0:53:09.920
<v Speaker 2>You know.

0:53:10.040 --> 0:53:12.960
<v Speaker 1>So I think she needs to be really prepared to

0:53:13.080 --> 0:53:16.000
<v Speaker 1>hit the variety, hit the drop shot again, hit the

0:53:16.080 --> 0:53:19.320
<v Speaker 1>high balls, get it out of the strike zone. Change

0:53:19.360 --> 0:53:21.680
<v Speaker 1>up where she's serving all the time, because she clearly

0:53:21.719 --> 0:53:24.200
<v Speaker 1>has a problem with where she's serving against Ostapenko as well,

0:53:24.239 --> 0:53:26.920
<v Speaker 1>because Ostapenko just crushes the return on that, especially on

0:53:26.920 --> 0:53:27.560
<v Speaker 1>that kickserve.

0:53:28.719 --> 0:53:31.680
<v Speaker 2>And that's a great example. The kickserf that bothers a

0:53:31.680 --> 0:53:35.920
<v Speaker 2>lot of girls goes right into where Osta Penkele likes it.

0:53:36.040 --> 0:53:38.240
<v Speaker 2>You know, it's just like a bit hired than hippie,

0:53:38.239 --> 0:53:39.319
<v Speaker 2>and she just crushes it.

0:53:39.360 --> 0:53:41.520
<v Speaker 1>She's better off hitting the kickserve as a first serf

0:53:42.280 --> 0:53:44.800
<v Speaker 1>to surprise her, yes, and to mix up the speeds.

0:53:44.800 --> 0:53:47.520
<v Speaker 2>But anyway, well, and so just as an interesting and

0:53:47.680 --> 0:53:50.000
<v Speaker 2>this is the first time I never thought about IGA's

0:53:50.000 --> 0:53:52.400
<v Speaker 2>game that she needs to add a slize. That was

0:53:52.400 --> 0:53:54.920
<v Speaker 2>the first time I thought, oh, she's missing a size

0:53:54.960 --> 0:53:58.400
<v Speaker 2>because a Jabour actually has a five to one against

0:53:58.520 --> 0:54:02.160
<v Speaker 2>Ostapenko to her in the quarters, but she was cooked mentally.

0:54:02.200 --> 0:54:04.439
<v Speaker 2>She had beaten Chinway, and she has beaten a lot

0:54:04.440 --> 0:54:08.320
<v Speaker 2>of very good players, and she's just come back from injury.

0:54:08.080 --> 0:54:10.239
<v Speaker 1>First, like really good back to back to.

0:54:10.320 --> 0:54:13.600
<v Speaker 2>Exactly, and so she was really mentally and physically fried

0:54:13.680 --> 0:54:16.280
<v Speaker 2>against Osta Penkel. But she has a five to one

0:54:16.520 --> 0:54:18.920
<v Speaker 2>and in the second set she started to just slice

0:54:18.920 --> 0:54:21.279
<v Speaker 2>it and Osta Penkel got nervous. She got away with it.

0:54:21.640 --> 0:54:23.640
<v Speaker 2>But that was the first time I thought, oh, if

0:54:23.680 --> 0:54:26.120
<v Speaker 2>Ega had a slice, even if she doesn't feel comfortable

0:54:26.120 --> 0:54:28.880
<v Speaker 2>with putting it up high, maybe with a slice she

0:54:28.920 --> 0:54:30.000
<v Speaker 2>could you gain.

0:54:29.920 --> 0:54:33.319
<v Speaker 1>Sometime Ostapenko if you don't junk her, which is why I.

0:54:33.280 --> 0:54:35.080
<v Speaker 2>Say you either have to over You have to either

0:54:35.320 --> 0:54:38.040
<v Speaker 2>overpower her like Amanda, did you know, because she hates

0:54:38.080 --> 0:54:41.799
<v Speaker 2>other big hitters, like she always loses to Osaka as well.

0:54:41.960 --> 0:54:44.839
<v Speaker 2>You know, you have to either overwhelm her with pace,

0:54:44.880 --> 0:54:47.640
<v Speaker 2>and if you can't do that, then you have to junker.

0:54:47.760 --> 0:54:49.279
<v Speaker 1>You have to junk her that which is why Sam

0:54:49.320 --> 0:54:51.359
<v Speaker 1>had a good record against so actually she could hit

0:54:51.400 --> 0:54:54.640
<v Speaker 1>that junkie slice and that heavy forehand that would jump

0:54:54.680 --> 0:54:57.040
<v Speaker 1>away from her on the forehand, and also the kick

0:54:57.080 --> 0:55:01.120
<v Speaker 1>serve is way bigger than Egers. Yeah, could have a okay,

0:55:01.320 --> 0:55:03.839
<v Speaker 1>really quick golf and Seblenka, what's going on there?

0:55:04.400 --> 0:55:07.560
<v Speaker 2>So Zabalanka I called them. I didn't see Cocos match,

0:55:07.600 --> 0:55:09.440
<v Speaker 2>so I can't say. I just looked at the stats.

0:55:09.440 --> 0:55:13.560
<v Speaker 2>She had forty unforced errors. It's tough against Marta costjoc

0:55:13.640 --> 0:55:14.759
<v Speaker 2>on those slow courts, you.

0:55:14.760 --> 0:55:18.960
<v Speaker 1>Know, Australia. I just think mentally she wasn't and she made.

0:55:18.719 --> 0:55:20.759
<v Speaker 2>Her the last time seven six in the third in

0:55:20.800 --> 0:55:23.440
<v Speaker 2>Stuttgut when they play after the Australiana Open, So clearly

0:55:23.520 --> 0:55:26.200
<v Speaker 2>this is a tough matchup for her. I didn't see

0:55:26.200 --> 0:55:27.799
<v Speaker 2>the match though, because it was in the middle of

0:55:27.840 --> 0:55:29.759
<v Speaker 2>the night in La. I think they played at three

0:55:29.880 --> 0:55:33.200
<v Speaker 2>thirty am, so I was flying, okay, So I don't

0:55:33.239 --> 0:55:36.680
<v Speaker 2>really know, but I think Marta Costyuk is always tough

0:55:36.719 --> 0:55:40.600
<v Speaker 2>when she plays well for anybody. Arena Sabalenka played Alexandrova,

0:55:40.640 --> 0:55:45.000
<v Speaker 2>who was red hot and freaking playing amazing. She had

0:55:45.040 --> 0:55:47.440
<v Speaker 2>just won Linz and She made the semis after that,

0:55:47.600 --> 0:55:50.239
<v Speaker 2>so she was clearly playing very well and Arena lost

0:55:50.280 --> 0:55:52.440
<v Speaker 2>seven six in the third. So it was a good match.

0:55:52.440 --> 0:55:54.879
<v Speaker 2>It wasn't like she played a terrible match and lost.

0:55:54.920 --> 0:55:57.279
<v Speaker 2>It was a good match. I will say that you

0:55:57.320 --> 0:56:00.640
<v Speaker 2>can tell now that the something is off with a serf.

0:56:00.800 --> 0:56:01.600
<v Speaker 1>I can tell you what it is.

0:56:01.640 --> 0:56:03.879
<v Speaker 2>We know, we talked about it already in the last part.

0:56:04.239 --> 0:56:06.719
<v Speaker 2>Her baltas is a lot higher. But what I meant

0:56:06.719 --> 0:56:08.879
<v Speaker 2>more by it is that she gets broken a lot

0:56:09.000 --> 0:56:13.480
<v Speaker 2>more and she can't hold. As you know, usually when

0:56:13.480 --> 0:56:15.920
<v Speaker 2>you watch us a Balenka match and she breaks, you're like, oh,

0:56:15.960 --> 0:56:18.839
<v Speaker 2>this match is done unless something crazy happens. And now

0:56:18.840 --> 0:56:20.480
<v Speaker 2>you don't have it, and you can feel that she

0:56:20.640 --> 0:56:22.560
<v Speaker 2>doesn't have it, and that gives her a little bit

0:56:22.600 --> 0:56:26.560
<v Speaker 2>of insecurity. And so that's just worrisome about the sert.

0:56:26.640 --> 0:56:28.240
<v Speaker 2>It's not like she's hitting double faults.

0:56:28.280 --> 0:56:31.400
<v Speaker 1>It's just she's not getting free points like she was

0:56:31.640 --> 0:56:35.160
<v Speaker 1>yes and then an important moment, because she doesn't believe

0:56:35.200 --> 0:56:37.960
<v Speaker 1>in it in important moments, she pulls back and then

0:56:38.000 --> 0:56:41.080
<v Speaker 1>again it was a perfect example. Is straight and open.

0:56:41.120 --> 0:56:43.319
<v Speaker 1>When she wasn't going for the serf in the last game.

0:56:43.680 --> 0:56:45.960
<v Speaker 1>I mean, she hit a couple of big serves and

0:56:46.000 --> 0:56:48.040
<v Speaker 1>she served well. She did miss one for a serf,

0:56:48.280 --> 0:56:50.200
<v Speaker 1>but Maddie was able to get on them because she

0:56:50.239 --> 0:56:52.680
<v Speaker 1>wasn't hitting an ace or hitting an unreturnable well.

0:56:52.680 --> 0:56:54.919
<v Speaker 2>And she took off. We remember we talked, we shook.

0:56:55.040 --> 0:56:58.000
<v Speaker 2>She took eight nine kilometers per hour off, which is

0:56:58.040 --> 0:56:59.400
<v Speaker 2>like four or five miles.

0:56:59.440 --> 0:57:00.160
<v Speaker 1>That's a lot.

0:57:00.239 --> 0:57:02.320
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's a lot. And that's a difference for somebody

0:57:02.360 --> 0:57:04.560
<v Speaker 2>like Maddie who has big swings, and it was the

0:57:04.600 --> 0:57:08.440
<v Speaker 2>same against Alexandrova, who also big takes big swings on return.

0:57:08.920 --> 0:57:12.720
<v Speaker 2>She in the important moments, was able to create something

0:57:12.800 --> 0:57:15.960
<v Speaker 2>off the serve and I think that's the that has

0:57:16.000 --> 0:57:19.800
<v Speaker 2>that has given Saballenka a bit of an insecurity and

0:57:19.840 --> 0:57:21.160
<v Speaker 2>important moments for sure.

0:57:21.280 --> 0:57:24.520
<v Speaker 1>I mean, she's obviously going up against Kuda Matova today

0:57:24.560 --> 0:57:27.600
<v Speaker 1>actually as we do this this pod, so we'll see

0:57:27.600 --> 0:57:31.120
<v Speaker 1>how she comes through this particular tournament. Golf is also

0:57:31.240 --> 0:57:34.919
<v Speaker 1>on the court, just on GoF just real quick. I mean,

0:57:35.040 --> 0:57:36.400
<v Speaker 1>you know, it's just starting to be a little bit

0:57:36.440 --> 0:57:39.320
<v Speaker 1>of what's going on here because she was the hardest

0:57:39.320 --> 0:57:42.600
<v Speaker 1>player going into the Australian Open. But again I've said

0:57:42.600 --> 0:57:44.920
<v Speaker 1>it over and over. She played every match indoors, and

0:57:45.000 --> 0:57:48.000
<v Speaker 1>it does make a difference with where the ball moves.

0:57:48.040 --> 0:57:50.920
<v Speaker 1>And if you're not feeling good on your serf, if

0:57:50.920 --> 0:57:53.160
<v Speaker 1>you're not feeling good on your forehand, you know, and

0:57:53.280 --> 0:57:58.080
<v Speaker 1>you start. Things are much harder outside than they are indoors.

0:57:58.160 --> 0:58:01.280
<v Speaker 1>Things are indoors. It's just pure hitting. It's just easier.

0:58:01.320 --> 0:58:06.880
<v Speaker 1>Everything's in the slot, everything's in the zone. And you know, outdoors,

0:58:07.280 --> 0:58:09.240
<v Speaker 1>you've got wind, you've got sun, you've got stuff to

0:58:09.280 --> 0:58:11.240
<v Speaker 1>deal with, and if you're not technically sound or don't

0:58:11.240 --> 0:58:13.240
<v Speaker 1>feel confident on it, it's going to pay the price.

0:58:13.280 --> 0:58:15.520
<v Speaker 1>And clearly that's what's happened over the last couple of weeks.

0:58:15.520 --> 0:58:16.440
<v Speaker 2>Eager she on Tech.

0:58:16.320 --> 0:58:20.000
<v Speaker 1>Beat sabial Anka as a ranker today to and love.

0:58:20.080 --> 0:58:23.880
<v Speaker 1>I mean, I don't know as a ranker. I mean

0:58:23.880 --> 0:58:25.480
<v Speaker 1>there's a former world number one and a player that

0:58:25.560 --> 0:58:28.640
<v Speaker 1>was you know, two time Grandsam champion. To be keep

0:58:28.680 --> 0:58:30.720
<v Speaker 1>losing like that, I mean, that's got to hurt you.

0:58:30.720 --> 0:58:33.320
<v Speaker 1>But seon Tech is playing good this year. No, she's

0:58:33.360 --> 0:58:36.880
<v Speaker 1>playing well, I tell you, and make my prediction, well,

0:58:36.960 --> 0:58:38.920
<v Speaker 1>she will not lose a match on clay this year.

0:58:39.080 --> 0:58:41.760
<v Speaker 2>Okay, yeah, well I would mean she didn't lose a

0:58:41.800 --> 0:58:43.439
<v Speaker 2>match on clay last year, did she? Or she lost

0:58:43.480 --> 0:58:46.439
<v Speaker 2>against Rebuccin and Stuttgat. That's indoors and it's on five

0:58:46.520 --> 0:58:50.400
<v Speaker 2>hundred meters higher so but still but she barely lost

0:58:50.400 --> 0:58:52.400
<v Speaker 2>the match. And she's a much better player this year

0:58:52.440 --> 0:58:54.760
<v Speaker 2>than she was. This was really it felt like against

0:58:54.800 --> 0:58:57.280
<v Speaker 2>Usta Pankell, it felt like a regression because I could

0:58:57.320 --> 0:59:00.919
<v Speaker 2>see the development in her game month in month out

0:59:01.000 --> 0:59:03.960
<v Speaker 2>against the heart hitters and then against a Stapenko was

0:59:04.000 --> 0:59:06.400
<v Speaker 2>boom you got from last year.

0:59:06.480 --> 0:59:10.120
<v Speaker 1>Hopefully on her from her standpoint, she can sit back

0:59:10.160 --> 0:59:12.080
<v Speaker 1>and go, oh yeah, that's why I lose to her.

0:59:12.480 --> 0:59:14.040
<v Speaker 1>The thing I have to change that.

0:59:14.200 --> 0:59:16.760
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. The thing with with IgA was though in Dohat

0:59:16.840 --> 0:59:19.040
<v Speaker 2>there was again the which I didn't see in her

0:59:19.120 --> 0:59:21.960
<v Speaker 2>so much at the Astan Opened, the nervousness, there was

0:59:22.000 --> 0:59:24.200
<v Speaker 2>a lot of tensions. She was yelling out at her

0:59:24.240 --> 0:59:26.600
<v Speaker 2>box at Daria. There was just like a lot of

0:59:26.640 --> 0:59:29.600
<v Speaker 2>nervousness which I hadn't seen so much at the Austrian Open.

0:59:29.680 --> 0:59:32.560
<v Speaker 2>But also again she had won this title three times.

0:59:32.600 --> 0:59:34.680
<v Speaker 2>She could have won it four times in a row,

0:59:34.720 --> 0:59:37.960
<v Speaker 2>which was unheard of and there was a lot of

0:59:38.000 --> 0:59:39.760
<v Speaker 2>pressure on her. But just one more. I want to

0:59:39.880 --> 0:59:45.760
<v Speaker 2>end on a positive note. Fonseca, what a beautiful name

0:59:46.200 --> 0:59:49.800
<v Speaker 2>and what a freaking beautiful tennis game. Are you kidding me?

0:59:50.480 --> 0:59:53.640
<v Speaker 1>He's but starting to talk about the top the next

0:59:54.040 --> 0:59:56.800
<v Speaker 1>three Big three, Right, let's see him sometime.

0:59:57.800 --> 1:00:00.640
<v Speaker 2>I mean, he's incredible and I would name him right

1:00:00.680 --> 1:00:03.000
<v Speaker 2>away with them. The only thing that I hope he's

1:00:03.040 --> 1:00:06.200
<v Speaker 2>eighteen years old. When you see him play, when you

1:00:06.240 --> 1:00:08.760
<v Speaker 2>see him play, when you hear him talk, he is

1:00:08.920 --> 1:00:11.760
<v Speaker 2>eighteen years old. You can just tell. It's like it

1:00:11.840 --> 1:00:13.520
<v Speaker 2>was funny to me because he won the title and

1:00:13.560 --> 1:00:15.960
<v Speaker 2>he was crying. He was so excited and everyone around

1:00:16.080 --> 1:00:18.200
<v Speaker 2>was like, oh yeah, that's his first from like seven

1:00:18.280 --> 1:00:20.840
<v Speaker 2>thousand more to come, but for him it was his

1:00:20.920 --> 1:00:23.640
<v Speaker 2>first title. He was so emotional. It was so beautiful

1:00:23.640 --> 1:00:26.959
<v Speaker 2>to watch. And what is incredible with him He gets

1:00:27.000 --> 1:00:30.120
<v Speaker 2>a little tight, but then he doesn't is not affected

1:00:30.160 --> 1:00:32.880
<v Speaker 2>by it, you know. So for example, in the semi final,

1:00:33.280 --> 1:00:36.480
<v Speaker 2>he was up six three five three, serving for the

1:00:36.520 --> 1:00:39.240
<v Speaker 2>match twice, didn't get it, but then plays a great tiebreak.

1:00:39.280 --> 1:00:42.120
<v Speaker 2>Same in the final, serving for the match twice, doesn't

1:00:42.160 --> 1:00:44.080
<v Speaker 2>get it. Gets it in the tiebreak. Who does that

1:00:44.200 --> 1:00:46.720
<v Speaker 2>sound like against Jarrett? Who?

1:00:46.800 --> 1:00:47.880
<v Speaker 1>Who does that sound like?

1:00:47.920 --> 1:00:48.840
<v Speaker 2>Who does it sound like?

1:00:49.480 --> 1:00:50.560
<v Speaker 1>Every great player?

1:00:50.760 --> 1:00:51.680
<v Speaker 2>But that's what I mean.

1:00:51.760 --> 1:00:53.880
<v Speaker 1>That's what I mean by but he's still to let

1:00:53.880 --> 1:00:57.439
<v Speaker 1>go of disappointment and understand the task at hand.

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<v Speaker 2>But that's what I mean by why I pointed out

1:00:59.680 --> 1:01:02.080
<v Speaker 2>is not he because he gets tight or whatever. But

1:01:02.120 --> 1:01:04.120
<v Speaker 2>what I want to point out is that's why you

1:01:04.160 --> 1:01:07.280
<v Speaker 2>can still tell that he's young, because he does get ted.

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<v Speaker 2>In three years, you won't get tight anymore. Said, let

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<v Speaker 2>me just finish this thing, right, But let me just

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<v Speaker 2>finish this. The thing why I'm saying this, this is

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<v Speaker 2>what I'm trying to make the point of, is I

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<v Speaker 2>hope that everyone just calms the farm and lets him

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<v Speaker 2>steadily improve and progress, because then we will have an

1:01:25.800 --> 1:01:29.480
<v Speaker 2>incredible player vying for multiple major titles for the next

1:01:29.520 --> 1:01:32.360
<v Speaker 2>fifteen years. If now, because you have to remember in

1:01:32.400 --> 1:01:35.000
<v Speaker 2>Brazil there wasn't a player vying for major titles since

1:01:35.080 --> 1:01:40.720
<v Speaker 2>Googa Curtain. They are incredibly passionate fans. If he gets overwhelmed,

1:01:40.720 --> 1:01:43.600
<v Speaker 2>he's now playing in rio. If he gets overwhelmed by

1:01:43.600 --> 1:01:48.080
<v Speaker 2>this expectation and emotion and everyone wanting him to do

1:01:48.120 --> 1:01:50.919
<v Speaker 2>so well, we might not see him on the top

1:01:50.960 --> 1:01:52.760
<v Speaker 2>of the game for the next ten to fifteen years.

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<v Speaker 2>And that's why I'm hoping everyone slows down and gives

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<v Speaker 2>him the time he needs to evolve, because then, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>because then we will have this Because I don't know

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<v Speaker 2>if you've watched him play, it's the greatest thing. It's

1:02:04.400 --> 1:02:07.480
<v Speaker 2>like watching al Karas and Cinera play. It's so freaking fun.

1:02:07.600 --> 1:02:09.360
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. No, I've watched him play. Of course, I've watched

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<v Speaker 1>him play. This guy is so exciting. I am so

1:02:12.360 --> 1:02:16.920
<v Speaker 1>excited about the possibility of this top next best three

1:02:17.440 --> 1:02:21.280
<v Speaker 1>and they are clearly his stand out best three potential.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, Sino's now one, you know what, three Grand

1:02:24.680 --> 1:02:29.080
<v Speaker 1>slams three Yeah, three Grand slams Auchress, I mean wow,

1:02:29.600 --> 1:02:31.680
<v Speaker 1>that in and of itself is incredible and fun. Take

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<v Speaker 1>it for sure. He'll be a threat at the French Open.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Well yeah, I mean I know.

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<v Speaker 2>He's eighteen, but no, no, no.

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<v Speaker 1>French Open at eighteen.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, no, one percent his threat at every tournament. The

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<v Speaker 2>only thing I have seen with him so far is

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<v Speaker 2>he gets so excited emotionally that sometimes he burns out.

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<v Speaker 2>That's eighteen exactly. That's what I mean. He is going

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<v Speaker 2>to learn.

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<v Speaker 1>We all learn. You know that that's not going to

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<v Speaker 1>help us get super excited to break it one love

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<v Speaker 1>and the first sets. It's what you see in juniors,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, when they're playing a top player and they

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<v Speaker 1>win the first game, they like, oh, come on, and

1:03:06.480 --> 1:03:07.400
<v Speaker 1>he's like, uh.

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<v Speaker 2>There's a lot more whoa, whoa, whoa, there's a lumma

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<v Speaker 2>would to cut.

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<v Speaker 1>Come the farm, little one. You've got two and a

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<v Speaker 1>half hours left of this and if you can get

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<v Speaker 1>through it, you can give the come on after winning

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<v Speaker 1>a set maybe, but until then. But these are all

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<v Speaker 1>things you learn because you don't know how to react

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<v Speaker 1>in big moments, and he's just gonna learn to. This

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<v Speaker 1>is like and I will also say second nature for me. Now.

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<v Speaker 2>He played I think twenty five Argentinians in a row

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<v Speaker 2>in Argentina. It was incredible. I was like, oh my god,

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<v Speaker 2>he's playing an Argentine again and he handled it. And

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<v Speaker 2>granted that there were a lot of Brazilian fans there

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<v Speaker 2>and they kept a nice balance against the Argentine wall

1:03:49.440 --> 1:03:54.040
<v Speaker 2>of fans, but but man, that was incredible. He not

1:03:54.160 --> 1:03:57.680
<v Speaker 2>only won his first title, he wanted in Argentina again

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<v Speaker 2>basically except for Jarrett in the Semis against every single

1:04:01.480 --> 1:04:03.400
<v Speaker 2>Argentinian player that plays out there right.

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<v Speaker 1>Now, Well done, mister Fonseka. We cannot wait to see

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<v Speaker 1>the future for you. We cannot wait to see what

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<v Speaker 1>a man a Nissa Mova can do at Indian Wells.

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<v Speaker 1>I think she's going to be real tough to be.

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<v Speaker 2>There was there was, honestly, you go in bed winning

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<v Speaker 2>and Marseille defending his title. But I think honestly there

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<v Speaker 2>were a lot of favorites that lost early on Zvera

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<v Speaker 2>f lost to Cirrindolo.

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<v Speaker 1>Never did what is happening with him? Coaches, He's like

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<v Speaker 1>moving on. He can't win a match he won today

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<v Speaker 1>against Hutchanov.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah but but but just in the end, it was

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<v Speaker 3>a super fun week having any Simova on top, having

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<v Speaker 3>fun second on top, in bed, defending his title in Marseille.

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<v Speaker 2>It was a fun week in the end. I think

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<v Speaker 2>everyone got what they wanted.

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<v Speaker 1>Including Sinner. Yeah joking, I'm joking, would have liked to

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<v Speaker 1>have not had three months, says, yes, Sinner got exactly

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<v Speaker 1>one who.

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<v Speaker 2>Wanted does not clear.

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<v Speaker 1>Anyway, We are sitting here watching Baratini, Djokovic. Nice to

1:05:03.920 --> 1:05:07.360
<v Speaker 1>see Novak back because we weren't sure about his leg

1:05:07.440 --> 1:05:10.080
<v Speaker 1>situation after straight and open, but he.

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<v Speaker 2>Is back and he's playing doubles.

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<v Speaker 1>And he's playing doubles well, he hasn't played a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of matches.

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<v Speaker 2>Since he's one with Verdesko and six black sixth six one.

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<v Speaker 1>Was anyway, all right, guys, Well thanks for joining me

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<v Speaker 1>again today. Petco. We are back in New York. I am,

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<v Speaker 1>and we'll be in Indian Wells and Miami, so you'll

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<v Speaker 1>see me there and we'll do some player interviews. Maybe

1:05:35.840 --> 1:05:38.240
<v Speaker 1>maybe we can grab a couple of players. But in

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<v Speaker 1>the meantime you're going to New Welles. I am.

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<v Speaker 2>Nice.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so we'll talk about that off camera, off Mike,

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<v Speaker 1>just kidding. I'm gonna go get my hair cutter.

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<v Speaker 2>We were pretty good one.

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<v Speaker 1>We looked at our schedule for today and thought we

1:05:53.440 --> 1:05:55.640
<v Speaker 1>got a lot to talk about. But anyway, guys, Ipe

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<v Speaker 1>you enjoyed it for today. You'll hear from us again

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<v Speaker 1>next week. Appreciate you. I cry

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<v Speaker 2>F