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Speaker 1: and welcome to the Tennis the Tennis. Welcome to the tennis.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to the Tennis. Hi.

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Speaker 1: Everyone, Welcome to the Renee Subs Tennis Podcast. I am

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Speaker 1: here with my great friend Andrea Pekovic is back. We

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Speaker 1: are back in New York.

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Speaker 2: We're back in the city.

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Speaker 1: We're back in the city. It's freezing. It's awful weather.

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Speaker 1: They said it's whatever, thirty degrees toda or something they said,

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Speaker 1: I just got back from Australia a couple of days ago.

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Speaker 1: You just got in from la you were working for

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Speaker 1: Tennis Channel over there. So we're going to get into

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Speaker 1: a lot of stuff today. We started talking before the

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Speaker 1: start off by talking about, of course, the big news

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Speaker 1: of this last few days is Yanick sinner. You are

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Speaker 2: So I don't know if I said it on the podcast,

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Speaker 2: Yes, so what the Itia came up with. This is

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Speaker 2: Sorry to interrupt you, but I think this will underline

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Speaker 2: is the one thing I didn't read. That's what Mark

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Speaker 2: Petchi told me. So if I'm wrong about them changing

431
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Speaker 2: the I'm gonna mark Petchi. But he's super diligent about

432
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Speaker 2: these things. That's why I believe him. That's why repeeded it.

433
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Speaker 2: But supposedly what he told me is in twenty twenty seven,

434
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Speaker 2: they are changing the rules on contamination and if it's

435
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Speaker 2: like it was now a billionth of a grand blah

436
00:22:09,000 --> 00:22:11,760
Speaker 2: blah blah, it won't be ruled a doping violation.

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Speaker 1: And what did I say originally, if you go back

438
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Speaker 1: to one of the original pods that we did, I said,

439
00:22:17,560 --> 00:22:19,879
Speaker 1: why don't have to change this rule if it is

440
00:22:19,920 --> 00:22:24,600
Speaker 1: so minuscure? Like this. Why are we putting players' names

441
00:22:24,600 --> 00:22:27,360
Speaker 1: out there? It should not be out there. That's how

442
00:22:27,400 --> 00:22:30,119
Speaker 1: I feel about it. And listen, I am for a

443
00:22:30,200 --> 00:22:34,160
Speaker 1: clean sport. I fucking hate cheaters. Yeah, okay, I hate cheaters.

444
00:22:34,520 --> 00:22:38,280
Speaker 1: But when it comes to this situation now where we

445
00:22:38,320 --> 00:22:41,119
Speaker 1: are getting a few a bit more contamination stuff going on,

446
00:22:41,640 --> 00:22:45,320
Speaker 1: it's like we are also possibly I'm not saying all

447
00:22:45,359 --> 00:22:49,160
Speaker 1: of everyone's telling the truth or everyone's lying. I don't

448
00:22:49,240 --> 00:22:52,040
Speaker 1: the bottom lines. I don't know. So why are we

449
00:22:52,200 --> 00:22:56,760
Speaker 1: ruining reputations based on a billionth of a gram of

450
00:22:56,800 --> 00:22:59,000
Speaker 1: a piece of salt in the pool? And yes, it

451
00:22:59,040 --> 00:23:01,320
Speaker 1: could be microdoc, but fucking hell, he has to be

452
00:23:01,359 --> 00:23:03,159
Speaker 1: real good at it considering as you said, he's in

453
00:23:03,200 --> 00:23:06,240
Speaker 1: the semis or finals of every single event that he's playing,

454
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Speaker 1: and he's getting tested all the time. Then you know,

455
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Speaker 1: so he's also been tested since and does everyone forget

456
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Speaker 1: that he's still getting tested?

457
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Speaker 2: And the thing I will say, what is a big

458
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Speaker 2: marker to me? Did he perform the same before he

459
00:23:24,000 --> 00:23:27,000
Speaker 2: got caught and the same after he got caught? Yes?

460
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Speaker 2: He did? Yeah, and you're trying to tell me he

461
00:23:29,520 --> 00:23:32,479
Speaker 2: was doping, gets caught and then he just continues doping,

462
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Speaker 2: then he's a fucking psychopath.

463
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Speaker 1: He also, he won the Australian Open. He would have

464
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Speaker 1: got tested out the wazu there, okay, including blood being taken,

465
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Speaker 1: everything being taken. He was fine. Nobody said, oh he's

466
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Speaker 1: got micro dosing uney system at the Australian Open. Okay.

467
00:23:47,960 --> 00:23:50,399
Speaker 1: So all of a sudden he's gonna say, ah, you

468
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Speaker 1: know what, in Doha, Dubai, in Indian Wales, I'm going

469
00:23:53,320 --> 00:23:55,840
Speaker 1: to start taking some shit now and hope I get

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Speaker 1: away with it.

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Speaker 2: Oh, come on, And in this case for these guys

472
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Speaker 2: again we talked about them already to take out snippets

473
00:24:03,040 --> 00:24:06,639
Speaker 2: of people saying things, if you do this in this case,

474
00:24:06,760 --> 00:24:09,359
Speaker 2: you really are an asshole. If clicks matter to you

475
00:24:09,480 --> 00:24:12,560
Speaker 2: more than the nuance of this case and the importance

476
00:24:12,600 --> 00:24:16,200
Speaker 2: for the sport of having understand and grasps every single

477
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Speaker 2: minute detail of it, then you really are an asshole.

478
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Speaker 2: We already told you to fuck off, but we're telling

479
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Speaker 2: you again pemptively.

480
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Speaker 1: There's a lot of these these stupid tennis dot com sites,

481
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Speaker 1: not tennis dot com, but various different things dot com

482
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Speaker 1: that the report on tennis that take little snippets of

483
00:24:34,840 --> 00:24:37,840
Speaker 1: apparently like I am, I wanted to coach Emarada Khanuh

484
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Speaker 1: from the last podcast. Did you read this, No Renee

485
00:24:41,119 --> 00:24:44,359
Speaker 1: stops and it's always former coach of Serena Williams, like

486
00:24:44,440 --> 00:24:47,640
Speaker 1: fuck off, guys, like I did more than just Serena

487
00:24:47,680 --> 00:24:49,760
Speaker 1: Williams for two weeks, so if you're gonna get it right.

488
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Speaker 1: But they like that because they know Serena Williams that

489
00:24:52,440 --> 00:24:56,680
Speaker 1: that algorithm will come. So it's like, no, I did

490
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Speaker 1: not say I want to coach Emarada Khanu. I said

491
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Speaker 1: if I was, But I mean if Emma Radakano came

492
00:25:03,160 --> 00:25:04,720
Speaker 1: to you pet Go and said, hey, do you want

493
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Speaker 1: to coach me? You would say, oh no.

494
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Speaker 2: No, not because of Emma, because I really don't want

495
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Speaker 2: to coach.

496
00:25:10,720 --> 00:25:12,840
Speaker 1: You don't want to coach. But if you wanted to coach,

497
00:25:12,920 --> 00:25:13,920
Speaker 1: of course you would say yes.

498
00:25:13,880 --> 00:25:16,040
Speaker 2: Yes, of course. I mean, if you're a coach, then

499
00:25:16,400 --> 00:25:17,320
Speaker 2: so much potential.

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Speaker 1: It's a fucking dumb but they you know, they blasted

501
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Speaker 1: out on it. Just it pisces no.

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Speaker 2: But I give you an example. I said, I think

503
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Speaker 2: maybe even on this podcast, I said about Carlos that

504
00:25:27,680 --> 00:25:30,240
Speaker 2: when he's playing, well, he's the best player I've seen

505
00:25:30,280 --> 00:25:32,960
Speaker 2: in the last thirty years. And when he plays bad,

506
00:25:33,040 --> 00:25:35,520
Speaker 2: boy does he play bad? And they only took when

507
00:25:35,520 --> 00:25:38,800
Speaker 2: Carlos plays bad he plays so bad? And I got

508
00:25:38,800 --> 00:25:40,960
Speaker 2: so much hate from some Carlos fans. They were like,

509
00:25:41,000 --> 00:25:42,640
Speaker 2: what do you know? And I was like, what did

510
00:25:42,640 --> 00:25:45,200
Speaker 2: I say? Did I say that? And I'm a normal person.

511
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Speaker 2: So I listened to the podcasting and I was like, oh, okay, no,

512
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Speaker 2: I said, it's okay. There was so much more nuance

513
00:25:50,680 --> 00:25:53,040
Speaker 2: to it. But that's why it's not it's not fair.

514
00:25:53,119 --> 00:25:54,679
Speaker 2: It's not fair to us. It's not fair to the

515
00:25:54,680 --> 00:25:57,000
Speaker 2: players because we have to interview the players. And now

516
00:25:57,000 --> 00:25:59,200
Speaker 2: he thinks I said about him that he's really bad.

517
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Speaker 2: Come come on, man, I would why would you say that?

518
00:26:03,040 --> 00:26:04,119
Speaker 2: Like he's the best player.

519
00:26:04,960 --> 00:26:06,639
Speaker 1: Yeah, So all of you people out there that are

520
00:26:06,640 --> 00:26:09,080
Speaker 1: going to take clippets and snippets from clippets is.

521
00:26:09,000 --> 00:26:09,400
Speaker 2: That a word?

522
00:26:09,480 --> 00:26:09,680
Speaker 1: Yeah?

523
00:26:09,720 --> 00:26:10,040
Speaker 2: Maybe not?

524
00:26:10,119 --> 00:26:13,199
Speaker 1: It is now snippets from our podcast and put it

525
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Speaker 1: up there and blast it. Fuck you.

526
00:26:15,040 --> 00:26:18,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, really, take the whole thing. Write an article.

527
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Speaker 1: Be a man, Yeah, be a man, write the whole

528
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Speaker 1: Be a fucking person that writes the whole article, doesn't

529
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Speaker 1: just take one line of what we've said. If you

530
00:26:25,480 --> 00:26:28,000
Speaker 1: want to take one word, one line from us, it's

531
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Speaker 1: funk off.

532
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Speaker 2: Yeah.

533
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Speaker 1: Okay. So another very very controversial, difficult conversation is Elena

534
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Speaker 1: Rebakina the situation with her former coach whatever he is

535
00:26:39,520 --> 00:26:47,760
Speaker 1: now boyfriend's disaster situation with Ukoff, her coach. Is that

536
00:26:47,800 --> 00:26:48,520
Speaker 1: how you say his name?

537
00:26:48,760 --> 00:26:53,880
Speaker 2: Your Croatian Stefan? What are you? My parents? My mom

538
00:26:53,920 --> 00:26:55,280
Speaker 2: is busting and my dad to Serbian.

539
00:26:55,359 --> 00:27:00,480
Speaker 1: I'll see, that's why I messed out. Okay, thoughts, Well,

540
00:27:00,560 --> 00:27:01,160
Speaker 1: we just read.

541
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Speaker 2: So for anybody who has the time, there is a

542
00:27:03,520 --> 00:27:07,439
Speaker 2: very article in the New York Times. I think for

543
00:27:07,560 --> 00:27:10,119
Speaker 2: us we knew most of it already, so it wasn't

544
00:27:10,160 --> 00:27:13,760
Speaker 2: necessarily new things. But for everybody else who's maybe not

545
00:27:13,800 --> 00:27:15,880
Speaker 2: around the tennis tour and wants to know what's up,

546
00:27:16,119 --> 00:27:19,120
Speaker 2: I think that's a great way to start, because there's.

547
00:27:18,680 --> 00:27:23,399
Speaker 1: Really a lot in the Bleach and maybe Athletic, sorry

548
00:27:23,400 --> 00:27:24,960
Speaker 1: not athletic.

549
00:27:24,640 --> 00:27:27,280
Speaker 2: The Athletic and the New York Times. Yeah, so I

550
00:27:27,320 --> 00:27:30,080
Speaker 2: think there's a lot of thoughts. What are my thoughts?

551
00:27:30,080 --> 00:27:35,119
Speaker 2: Clearly the relationship between them is on the edge of abusive.

552
00:27:35,280 --> 00:27:37,439
Speaker 2: Can I say it's abusive. No, I can't. I'm not

553
00:27:38,280 --> 00:27:40,440
Speaker 2: in the relationship, and I think this is a very

554
00:27:40,440 --> 00:27:43,240
Speaker 2: important to say. If you're not in the relationship, you

555
00:27:43,320 --> 00:27:47,200
Speaker 2: don't know what is actually happening. On the other hand,

556
00:27:47,240 --> 00:27:51,359
Speaker 2: the WTA has decided that it's not his behavior is

557
00:27:51,440 --> 00:27:55,560
Speaker 2: not aligning with the guidelines of their code of Conduct.

558
00:27:56,080 --> 00:28:01,280
Speaker 2: And that's a strong statement and a strong decision on

559
00:28:01,400 --> 00:28:04,439
Speaker 2: part from the WTA. And they had their investigation. So

560
00:28:04,960 --> 00:28:07,600
Speaker 2: chances are they know things that I don't know because

561
00:28:07,600 --> 00:28:10,600
Speaker 2: I'm not around them. But they had an investigation, they

562
00:28:10,640 --> 00:28:14,800
Speaker 2: asked I think they had twenty people as witnesses. I

563
00:28:14,840 --> 00:28:20,280
Speaker 2: think around twenty people who came forth and gave witness statements,

564
00:28:20,720 --> 00:28:23,760
Speaker 2: and that's their decision, trying to protect the player. On

565
00:28:23,800 --> 00:28:26,200
Speaker 2: the other hand, the player doesn't want to be protected.

566
00:28:26,440 --> 00:28:29,280
Speaker 2: Rebakkena has come forth multiple times saying that she wants

567
00:28:29,320 --> 00:28:32,720
Speaker 2: him around and that she doesn't agree with the decision

568
00:28:32,760 --> 00:28:37,080
Speaker 2: that was made by the WTA. I honestly, Renee. That's

569
00:28:37,119 --> 00:28:39,440
Speaker 2: why I'm like stuttering. I don't know what to say,

570
00:28:39,480 --> 00:28:42,400
Speaker 2: because on the one hand, I really strongly believe in

571
00:28:42,520 --> 00:28:46,640
Speaker 2: independence and an adult player who has to take responsibility

572
00:28:46,640 --> 00:28:50,120
Speaker 2: and make decisions on themselves for themselves. On the other hand,

573
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Speaker 2: I've seen toxic relationships around me, and the thing is

574
00:28:53,880 --> 00:28:56,920
Speaker 2: that at one point you can't make decisions for yourself

575
00:28:56,960 --> 00:28:59,760
Speaker 2: any longer because you're so caught up in this dependence

576
00:29:00,080 --> 00:29:02,840
Speaker 2: that you're not thinking clearly. So that's why I'm really

577
00:29:02,880 --> 00:29:05,719
Speaker 2: at a loss for words, which rarely ever happens, because

578
00:29:06,000 --> 00:29:08,560
Speaker 2: what is it? It's hard to say from the outside.

579
00:29:08,720 --> 00:29:12,080
Speaker 2: Is she an adult and responsible enough to say, like,

580
00:29:12,120 --> 00:29:14,720
Speaker 2: I want him around and this is my decision, or

581
00:29:14,840 --> 00:29:17,320
Speaker 2: is she so dependent on him at this point of

582
00:29:17,360 --> 00:29:20,960
Speaker 2: her life that she can't think clearly? Had for me

583
00:29:21,040 --> 00:29:22,040
Speaker 2: to say, what do you think?

584
00:29:53,800 --> 00:29:57,200
Speaker 1: The w t A if because we have, because we

585
00:29:57,280 --> 00:30:00,760
Speaker 1: do rate things. The w t A basically in their

586
00:30:00,800 --> 00:30:03,640
Speaker 1: findings are saying that you made her dependent on you

587
00:30:03,760 --> 00:30:08,080
Speaker 1: essentially what made her. Yes, You've you've made her feel

588
00:30:08,120 --> 00:30:11,360
Speaker 1: like she can't play without you. And listen, I know

589
00:30:11,560 --> 00:30:15,800
Speaker 1: I have seen it way too. I mean we're talking

590
00:30:15,880 --> 00:30:20,040
Speaker 1: way too many times. I've been around a lot longer

591
00:30:20,040 --> 00:30:23,280
Speaker 1: than you, and I have seen so many of these

592
00:30:23,480 --> 00:30:29,040
Speaker 1: toxic coach player relationships where they literally say you are nothing,

593
00:30:29,400 --> 00:30:33,040
Speaker 1: you will be nothing, you are not going to be

594
00:30:33,120 --> 00:30:37,160
Speaker 1: good anymore. Without me, you didn't You wouldn't have done this.

595
00:30:37,280 --> 00:30:40,680
Speaker 1: Without me, you would still be in Russia picking potatoes,

596
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Speaker 1: is what he said to her.

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00:30:41,960 --> 00:30:44,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what quote from the New York Times article,

598
00:30:44,840 --> 00:30:45,360
Speaker 2: and that is.

599
00:30:45,280 --> 00:30:50,000
Speaker 1: From her a team member of hers. Okay, So now

600
00:30:50,120 --> 00:30:55,560
Speaker 1: the difference is the w T are getting factual information

601
00:30:55,720 --> 00:30:59,840
Speaker 1: from team members of Elena Rebukinger. Okay, so you think

602
00:31:00,000 --> 00:31:02,920
Speaker 1: about it. There's physios, there's fitness chainers that have been

603
00:31:02,920 --> 00:31:05,400
Speaker 1: with her for a long time that are now no

604
00:31:05,520 --> 00:31:09,280
Speaker 1: longer with her. So use your head and understand. So

605
00:31:09,360 --> 00:31:13,360
Speaker 1: when people are out there just absolutely ripping on us

606
00:31:13,440 --> 00:31:15,840
Speaker 1: for saying she's you know, or ripping on the WTA,

607
00:31:16,440 --> 00:31:20,680
Speaker 1: they have factual information of people around her on a

608
00:31:20,760 --> 00:31:24,640
Speaker 1: daily basis making these comments. Now, Okay, so think about

609
00:31:24,640 --> 00:31:27,479
Speaker 1: that for a second. All right, they saw the abuse,

610
00:31:27,560 --> 00:31:30,719
Speaker 1: they saw the mental abuse. They saw him throwing tennis

611
00:31:30,720 --> 00:31:34,600
Speaker 1: balls at her. That's physical abuse. First of all, they listen,

612
00:31:34,800 --> 00:31:38,479
Speaker 1: I've coached, I've been coached, I've seen other coaches. I

613
00:31:38,600 --> 00:31:42,000
Speaker 1: know what abuse is, and he is abusive to her. Period.

614
00:31:42,440 --> 00:31:44,920
Speaker 1: You can say whatever you want. I've seen him yelling

615
00:31:44,920 --> 00:31:47,560
Speaker 1: at her. I can be I could have been one

616
00:31:47,600 --> 00:31:49,840
Speaker 1: of those witnesses, and I probably was one of those

617
00:31:49,840 --> 00:31:53,320
Speaker 1: witnesses because they interviewed me years ago about him. Okay,

618
00:31:53,320 --> 00:31:56,520
Speaker 1: because I made comments on this podcast years ago about him,

619
00:31:56,720 --> 00:31:59,280
Speaker 1: and I never said anything about him abusing her. I

620
00:31:59,360 --> 00:32:01,600
Speaker 1: just said he was very, very negative, and I felt

621
00:32:01,640 --> 00:32:05,080
Speaker 1: like with a positive coach, Wow, how much better could

622
00:32:05,080 --> 00:32:07,360
Speaker 1: she be? Imagine how good she could be with a

623
00:32:07,400 --> 00:32:10,600
Speaker 1: really positive coach. And so those are the comments I

624
00:32:10,720 --> 00:32:14,400
Speaker 1: made about him. And then he actually, just so people know,

625
00:32:14,880 --> 00:32:17,200
Speaker 1: he contacted the WTA and wanted to come after me

626
00:32:17,320 --> 00:32:21,120
Speaker 1: for making those comments. Okay, so I'm putting out that publicly.

627
00:32:21,280 --> 00:32:24,040
Speaker 1: I have not told anyone that publicly. He came after

628
00:32:24,040 --> 00:32:26,640
Speaker 1: me and wanted to sue me, Okay for saying things

629
00:32:26,680 --> 00:32:32,480
Speaker 1: about him that were true that have been now investigated

630
00:32:32,520 --> 00:32:36,480
Speaker 1: for years are now true. He has been banned for

631
00:32:36,520 --> 00:32:39,560
Speaker 1: a year now because what I told them years ago

632
00:32:40,160 --> 00:32:42,520
Speaker 1: has been now backed up by several other people who

633
00:32:42,520 --> 00:32:45,760
Speaker 1: are in her actual team. Okay, So this is happening

634
00:32:45,800 --> 00:32:48,400
Speaker 1: on a consistent basis now a lot of people don't

635
00:32:48,400 --> 00:32:51,160
Speaker 1: say stuff. A lot of people want to be anonymous

636
00:32:51,320 --> 00:32:54,320
Speaker 1: because in the tennis world, just like you, just like me,

637
00:32:55,240 --> 00:32:58,240
Speaker 1: we have to interview Elena Rebakina. She is one of

638
00:32:58,320 --> 00:33:02,000
Speaker 1: the best players in the world, is a really nice person.

639
00:33:02,960 --> 00:33:05,920
Speaker 1: She has obviously had an adverse reaction to me for

640
00:33:06,080 --> 00:33:09,320
Speaker 1: years because of what I said about him years ago.

641
00:33:09,960 --> 00:33:12,720
Speaker 1: And so we are put into this quandary of a

642
00:33:12,760 --> 00:33:15,520
Speaker 1: problem of not being able to have this relationship with

643
00:33:15,560 --> 00:33:17,080
Speaker 1: her if she doesn't want to have a relationship with

644
00:33:17,160 --> 00:33:19,400
Speaker 1: us because of what we've said. Right, So, there's a

645
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Speaker 1: lot of people want to be anonymous because they want

646
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Speaker 1: to keep a good relationship with her. Our issue now

647
00:33:25,600 --> 00:33:29,120
Speaker 1: going forward is I don't care about my relationship with her.

648
00:33:29,200 --> 00:33:34,880
Speaker 1: She can hate me forever. My thinking now is somebody

649
00:33:34,920 --> 00:33:37,480
Speaker 1: needs to speak up about this and she needs to

650
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Speaker 1: be protected. And the WTA now have done that. They've

651
00:33:40,600 --> 00:33:43,800
Speaker 1: put their due diligence in, They've done this investigation for years,

652
00:33:44,040 --> 00:33:46,920
Speaker 1: and people can say whatever they want to me. For example,

653
00:33:47,200 --> 00:33:49,840
Speaker 1: I've been around a long time. I can see toxicity,

654
00:33:50,120 --> 00:33:52,920
Speaker 1: and that is a toxic relationship. And how is she

655
00:33:52,960 --> 00:33:55,320
Speaker 1: going to get out of this? I honestly don't know.

656
00:33:55,680 --> 00:33:56,640
Speaker 1: That's what I'm worried about.

657
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Speaker 2: Well, that's my question. My question is this, I agree

658
00:34:02,000 --> 00:34:05,200
Speaker 2: with everything you said. Obviously we've talked about this many

659
00:34:05,240 --> 00:34:09,319
Speaker 2: times on the podcast. Should he speak to her differently? Yes,

660
00:34:09,360 --> 00:34:12,520
Speaker 2: one hundred percent. The question for me is what I'm

661
00:34:12,600 --> 00:34:15,600
Speaker 2: asking and what I don't have the answer to. Is

662
00:34:15,640 --> 00:34:22,080
Speaker 2: it the WTA's task, Yes, because it's like what makes

663
00:34:22,120 --> 00:34:24,359
Speaker 2: her decide, you know what I mean? Or is she

664
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Speaker 2: an adult person that should decide for herself who she

665
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Speaker 2: wants to have around.

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Speaker 1: Well, they're kind of sort of doing that right now

667
00:34:30,800 --> 00:34:34,960
Speaker 1: because he can coach her away from any WTA sanctioned

668
00:34:35,000 --> 00:34:37,640
Speaker 1: event unless it's a Grand Slam, and Tennis Australia made

669
00:34:37,680 --> 00:34:40,600
Speaker 1: it very clear they don't want him on site, and

670
00:34:40,640 --> 00:34:43,280
Speaker 1: now they've said with this suspension that she cannot stay

671
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Speaker 1: with him in a player hotel. So she she wants

672
00:34:46,640 --> 00:34:49,439
Speaker 1: to stay with him in a player hotel, that can't

673
00:34:49,480 --> 00:34:51,279
Speaker 1: happen anymore. So she's going to have to pay for

674
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Speaker 1: her own room at a different hotel every single tournament

675
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Speaker 1: if he wants to come and stay with her in

676
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Speaker 1: a hotel room, which is what he did in Melbourne.

677
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Speaker 1: And the reason for that is is what Caitlyn point

678
00:35:00,120 --> 00:35:01,640
Speaker 1: it out last week, which I thought was a really

679
00:35:01,680 --> 00:35:03,440
Speaker 1: good way of putting it, is that if you're in

680
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Speaker 1: a business situation, and you have a toxic relationship there

681
00:35:06,560 --> 00:35:09,600
Speaker 1: and it's sort of like around other people the company

682
00:35:09,680 --> 00:35:11,520
Speaker 1: get to say no, no, no, no, this is not

683
00:35:11,600 --> 00:35:14,600
Speaker 1: an okay situation. People have come to me at HR

684
00:35:15,280 --> 00:35:20,440
Speaker 1: and have said, this is now affecting many days my workday,

685
00:35:20,920 --> 00:35:24,440
Speaker 1: my business and so frankly, like every single player could say,

686
00:35:24,480 --> 00:35:27,080
Speaker 1: and every coach which has come forward and this is

687
00:35:27,120 --> 00:35:28,960
Speaker 1: part of the investigation. If you read the New York

688
00:35:28,960 --> 00:35:31,520
Speaker 1: Times article and stuff we already knew. And guess what.

689
00:35:31,640 --> 00:35:35,280
Speaker 1: I've spoken to many a coach and many a fitness

690
00:35:35,320 --> 00:35:38,239
Speaker 1: trainer that have told me this exact story. So they're

691
00:35:38,239 --> 00:35:42,040
Speaker 1: obviously part of this investigation. And I won't name names

692
00:35:42,160 --> 00:35:44,480
Speaker 1: that have come forward and said this is the behavior

693
00:35:44,600 --> 00:35:48,840
Speaker 1: I saw him do, okay. These are first hand accounts

694
00:35:49,080 --> 00:35:52,759
Speaker 1: of situations where they felt the need to go and

695
00:35:52,800 --> 00:35:55,760
Speaker 1: tell the WTA of how he was acting and reacting

696
00:35:55,800 --> 00:35:59,959
Speaker 1: to her in plain view of players and other coaches.

697
00:36:00,640 --> 00:36:02,480
Speaker 1: That is not a work environment you want to be in.

698
00:36:02,960 --> 00:36:05,879
Speaker 1: Nobody wants to be around that. It's like living next

699
00:36:05,880 --> 00:36:09,520
Speaker 1: to an abusive relationship and not calling the cops. That's

700
00:36:09,560 --> 00:36:12,200
Speaker 1: exactly what's happening right now. So the coaches and other

701
00:36:12,400 --> 00:36:15,239
Speaker 1: coaches and players and fitness trainers and physios that are

702
00:36:15,280 --> 00:36:19,120
Speaker 1: around that situation with Yukov yelling and screaming at her

703
00:36:19,160 --> 00:36:22,120
Speaker 1: and being an asshole to her have had it and

704
00:36:22,160 --> 00:36:25,560
Speaker 1: they've gone and said something to the WTA and so yes,

705
00:36:25,840 --> 00:36:29,000
Speaker 1: in this situation, it is a toxic environment that is

706
00:36:29,080 --> 00:36:31,160
Speaker 1: not allowed in the code of contact on the w

707
00:36:31,320 --> 00:36:33,200
Speaker 1: TED tour, and it was put there for a reason

708
00:36:33,400 --> 00:36:35,960
Speaker 1: to stop people like this, to stop guys like this

709
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Speaker 1: taking advantage of young women. He's been with her since

710
00:36:38,960 --> 00:36:41,279
Speaker 1: she was like sixteen years of age. This is a

711
00:36:41,320 --> 00:36:46,959
Speaker 1: toxic relationship. The parents want him gone, the sister wants

712
00:36:47,000 --> 00:36:50,400
Speaker 1: him gone, like they know her. So this is where

713
00:36:50,480 --> 00:36:54,120
Speaker 1: it's gotten real tricky. And for Elena. I feel so

714
00:36:54,280 --> 00:36:56,960
Speaker 1: badly for her. She is stuck right in the middle

715
00:36:57,000 --> 00:37:02,600
Speaker 1: of this. I mean, it is cohersive behavior. It is

716
00:37:02,640 --> 00:37:05,160
Speaker 1: not good. I don't know what to say about it

717
00:37:05,200 --> 00:37:06,920
Speaker 1: other than that I think the WTA have done the

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Speaker 1: best that they can do.

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Speaker 2: I think so too. And that's a really good point

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Speaker 2: about the work environment, because if you were at a

721
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Speaker 2: company and somebody would yell at their like you would

722
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Speaker 2: see in a different department the boss yelling at their

723
00:37:19,520 --> 00:37:21,880
Speaker 2: at their secretary or something. You would also say something

724
00:37:21,880 --> 00:37:24,080
Speaker 2: to HR. That's a really really good point because it's

725
00:37:24,120 --> 00:37:27,360
Speaker 2: not only them, even though it's an individual, even though.

726
00:37:28,760 --> 00:37:31,400
Speaker 1: Board watching him yelling and screaming at her in the

727
00:37:31,440 --> 00:37:33,799
Speaker 1: gym in Australia. I remember that I went up to

728
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Speaker 1: another player who may have been playing doubles with her

729
00:37:36,640 --> 00:37:38,759
Speaker 1: at the time, I believe, and I said, what the fuck?

730
00:37:40,239 --> 00:37:42,040
Speaker 1: So we see this stuff?

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Speaker 2: I mean, I went I told his story on the podcast.

732
00:37:45,360 --> 00:37:47,920
Speaker 2: I think many times. I went up to him one

733
00:37:47,960 --> 00:37:49,960
Speaker 2: time and said like, what are you doing? And then

734
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Speaker 2: they just kind of went, it's just yeah, I mean.

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Speaker 1: That's you and okay, so you and me have seen

736
00:37:57,280 --> 00:38:00,440
Speaker 1: his behavior. That is the two of us. Imagine everybody

737
00:38:00,480 --> 00:38:03,839
Speaker 1: else onto it. Everyone else is saying this, and some

738
00:38:03,840 --> 00:38:06,160
Speaker 1: people close their eyes to it and say it's not

739
00:38:06,200 --> 00:38:09,120
Speaker 1: my problem. But you know, I know that there was

740
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Speaker 1: a top player that saw her in Abba Dhabi and

741
00:38:11,120 --> 00:38:13,120
Speaker 1: saw him there and said to her, what the fuck?

742
00:38:14,400 --> 00:38:17,800
Speaker 1: So Pias do care? Yeah? Pi Is It probably shouldn't

743
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Speaker 1: care if she's mentally healthy because I have to play

744
00:38:21,040 --> 00:38:24,799
Speaker 1: against her. Yeah, are going what the fuck? So? Yeah?

745
00:38:24,840 --> 00:38:27,440
Speaker 2: Anyway, Well, and I think a really important point that

746
00:38:27,600 --> 00:38:29,879
Speaker 2: was made in the New York Times article is that

747
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Speaker 2: whether because of it or whether in general, but her

748
00:38:33,600 --> 00:38:37,080
Speaker 2: health has suffered tremendously from the toll that all of

749
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Speaker 2: this has taken on her. And it was very clearly

750
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Speaker 2: stated in the New York Times article. If you have

751
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Speaker 2: the time to read it, I would recommend it just

752
00:38:45,560 --> 00:38:47,279
Speaker 2: to make it because I think what I liked about

753
00:38:47,280 --> 00:38:51,680
Speaker 2: the article. Yes, it's lengthy, but he's just they are

754
00:38:53,200 --> 00:38:58,240
Speaker 2: basically telling you all the situations that they could confirm

755
00:38:58,280 --> 00:39:01,480
Speaker 2: from multiple witnesses, and it's up to you to decide

756
00:39:01,600 --> 00:39:02,680
Speaker 2: what you think about it.

757
00:39:02,760 --> 00:39:05,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think behavior at the US Open last year

758
00:39:05,360 --> 00:39:08,560
Speaker 1: was just appalling. That's where it really hit the fan

759
00:39:09,280 --> 00:39:12,440
Speaker 1: after she basically flicked him after in August, so prior

760
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Speaker 1: to the US Open. But yes, read the article. Let

761
00:39:14,800 --> 00:39:18,080
Speaker 1: us know your thoughts. Actually tweet to us or don't

762
00:39:18,080 --> 00:39:18,600
Speaker 1: tweet to us.

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Speaker 2: I don't. I delayed the leaded for you.

764
00:39:20,520 --> 00:39:23,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, because Blue Sky us or put us on threads.

765
00:39:24,239 --> 00:39:25,360
Speaker 1: We're on Blue Sky and threads.

766
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Speaker 2: So I deleted it just for why if in case

767
00:39:28,480 --> 00:39:32,560
Speaker 2: somebody mentions me there. Elon Musk supported the Nazi Party

768
00:39:32,600 --> 00:39:35,640
Speaker 2: and endorsed the Nazi Party in Germany. And that was

769
00:39:35,840 --> 00:39:40,280
Speaker 2: my last star that broke the camel's back because Nazi Party.

770
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Speaker 2: You know, it's not like it's in Germany. The Nazi Party.

771
00:39:43,960 --> 00:39:47,400
Speaker 2: You cannot do this. This is Germany, like both, friend,

772
00:39:48,040 --> 00:39:50,239
Speaker 2: this is Germany. You can't support the Nazi Party.

773
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Speaker 1: Why why don't the German authorities ban X in Germany?

774
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Speaker 1: That would be great.

775
00:39:56,719 --> 00:39:58,719
Speaker 2: I don't think you can do that free you know,

776
00:39:59,040 --> 00:40:01,000
Speaker 2: free speech and so on and so forth.

777
00:40:02,200 --> 00:40:05,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, anyway, that's a whole difference to even remotely get

778
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Speaker 1: me started. But now you've maybe think it's time for

779
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Speaker 1: me to get rid of.

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Speaker 2: It as I'm not even political, but that was such

781
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Speaker 2: an no go for me. I just I deleted it

782
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Speaker 2: right away.

783
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Speaker 1: Working arsehole. He's such an asshole. Okay again, let's not

784
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Speaker 1: get into that, all right, Let's get to some good news.

785
00:40:19,640 --> 00:40:22,000
Speaker 1: Good news. Yeah, the last finally, Oh my god, this

786
00:40:22,080 --> 00:40:24,360
Speaker 1: was thank you because this was heavy. Yes, we have

787
00:40:24,440 --> 00:40:29,880
Speaker 1: had heavy forty minutes so far. Amanda, Yeah, can we

788
00:40:29,920 --> 00:40:32,320
Speaker 1: talk about Amanda Anissa Moba. I want to talk about

789
00:40:32,320 --> 00:40:34,479
Speaker 1: her in more ways than just well done for winning

790
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Speaker 1: the tournament. This is a kid that was well like

791
00:40:38,400 --> 00:40:42,680
Speaker 1: years ago, was seen as the next big thing, right,

792
00:40:42,800 --> 00:40:45,680
Speaker 1: winning tournaments. You know, she's the next Maria Sharapa over

793
00:40:45,800 --> 00:40:46,560
Speaker 1: blah blah blah.

794
00:40:46,600 --> 00:40:46,719
Speaker 2: Right.

795
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Speaker 1: I want to talk about the fact that she lost

796
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Speaker 1: her father years ago. He was her coach. He was

797
00:40:54,200 --> 00:40:57,440
Speaker 1: probably the most important mentor in her life in her

798
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Speaker 1: tennis career. She's had a hard couple of years since then.

799
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Speaker 1: She had a great couple bit of a run, and

800
00:41:04,560 --> 00:41:06,799
Speaker 1: then Darren k Hill called it quits on her at

801
00:41:06,800 --> 00:41:08,600
Speaker 1: the start of a really good start of the year.

802
00:41:09,160 --> 00:41:12,319
Speaker 1: It was in the COVID years, and a lot of

803
00:41:12,320 --> 00:41:14,399
Speaker 1: people were like, Yeah, she's gonna yeah, she's coming back,

804
00:41:14,440 --> 00:41:16,520
Speaker 1: this is great. And then Darren sort of pulled the

805
00:41:16,640 --> 00:41:18,600
Speaker 1: rug out because he was just dealing with his own

806
00:41:18,600 --> 00:41:21,719
Speaker 1: physical and mental health issues that he needed to go

807
00:41:21,800 --> 00:41:23,759
Speaker 1: home and didn't want to travel all that much at

808
00:41:23,760 --> 00:41:28,239
Speaker 1: that time of the year. And then she walked away

809
00:41:28,239 --> 00:41:30,799
Speaker 1: from the sport for like almost a year. Was it

810
00:41:30,840 --> 00:41:31,160
Speaker 1: a year?

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Speaker 2: Eight months? I would say yeah, because.

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Speaker 1: She mentally was fried. And I think the combination of

813
00:41:40,080 --> 00:41:44,279
Speaker 1: her probably her father's death and the expectation and the

814
00:41:44,280 --> 00:41:47,320
Speaker 1: physical part of it, and her own emotional wellness.

815
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Speaker 2: She also struggled with injuries every now.

816
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Speaker 1: It was just like, I need to step away. She

817
00:41:52,520 --> 00:41:54,840
Speaker 1: started painting, she started doing all this other stuff.

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Speaker 2: She went did some courses at college.

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Speaker 1: She just glimped away. And I don't know if you

820
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Speaker 1: saw my Instagram when she won, and I just said

821
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Speaker 1: along the lines of I'm so proud of this girl

822
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Speaker 1: who basically trusted her own gut and trusted her own

823
00:42:10,840 --> 00:42:13,399
Speaker 1: instincts to step away from the game and come back

824
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Speaker 1: and won her biggest tournament this year. After having a

825
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Speaker 1: good run at the Strain Open and losing a match

826
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Speaker 1: that we all thought she should have won.

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Speaker 2: Sheat She lost in the second round against Emma rod

828
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Speaker 2: Ukanah that she was up for to one in the

829
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Speaker 2: first I think three to zero in the second, and

830
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Speaker 2: she was up a break.

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Speaker 1: But she stayed in Australia for like two weeks after that.

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Speaker 1: The whole I was like, what are you still doing here?

833
00:42:35,920 --> 00:42:38,040
Speaker 1: She's like, oh, I'm playing Singapore and then playing in

834
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Speaker 1: you know, Doha and Dubai, and I was like, oh

835
00:42:39,880 --> 00:42:42,560
Speaker 1: my god. So she literally just got home to Florida.

836
00:42:42,560 --> 00:42:44,480
Speaker 1: I was speaking to her last night, literally on the

837
00:42:44,520 --> 00:42:47,600
Speaker 1: plane ride home, and so she was way that whole time.

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Speaker 1: She put them work in in Melbourne and then went

839
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Speaker 1: and won in Doha, and I'm just so I just

840
00:42:56,000 --> 00:42:59,279
Speaker 1: hope every tennis player realizes you don't need to play

841
00:42:59,320 --> 00:43:02,360
Speaker 1: every week. You don't need to prove yourself all the time.

842
00:43:02,840 --> 00:43:05,520
Speaker 1: And after Mattie Keys, Wenday Strain opened saying I wanted

843
00:43:05,520 --> 00:43:08,320
Speaker 1: this so badly, but I didn't. I knew I didn't

844
00:43:08,400 --> 00:43:10,520
Speaker 1: need it. And for a man a Nissam over to

845
00:43:10,560 --> 00:43:13,680
Speaker 1: walk away from the game, going I don't need this sport.

846
00:43:13,960 --> 00:43:16,560
Speaker 1: What do I want? I want to take care of

847
00:43:16,560 --> 00:43:20,680
Speaker 1: myself and then realized I love playing this sport. I'm

848
00:43:20,680 --> 00:43:21,880
Speaker 1: going to come back and I'm going to do it

849
00:43:21,880 --> 00:43:23,239
Speaker 1: and I'm going to do it one hundred percent. And

850
00:43:23,280 --> 00:43:26,919
Speaker 1: then look what happened. So and then went and lost

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00:43:26,960 --> 00:43:28,719
Speaker 1: in Dubai. And one of the things I talked to

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00:43:28,719 --> 00:43:30,840
Speaker 1: her about was, well, maybe you know, it's a lesson

853
00:43:30,840 --> 00:43:32,120
Speaker 1: that maybe you shouldn't have played.

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00:43:32,560 --> 00:43:34,960
Speaker 2: We were talking about it on TC LAB. I was like,

855
00:43:35,040 --> 00:43:36,799
Speaker 2: is she going to play? I don't believe, but she

856
00:43:36,880 --> 00:43:38,400
Speaker 2: went good for her Honestly.

857
00:43:38,520 --> 00:43:40,719
Speaker 1: Her words to me were I wanted to see I wanted,

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Speaker 1: you know, to be a good play. You've got to

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00:43:42,239 --> 00:43:44,120
Speaker 1: do these week after week you got to put it,

860
00:43:44,120 --> 00:43:46,560
Speaker 1: and I said, yes, that's true, and maybe this is

861
00:43:46,600 --> 00:43:48,040
Speaker 1: a lesson for you to learn what you need to

862
00:43:48,080 --> 00:43:49,840
Speaker 1: do to prepare it for that next tournament.

863
00:43:50,000 --> 00:43:53,640
Speaker 2: Okay, but this is tough because a lost first round.

864
00:43:53,719 --> 00:43:58,120
Speaker 2: Alexandrova lost first round, Amanda, So everyone who did well

865
00:43:58,160 --> 00:44:01,680
Speaker 2: in Doha lost first round or second round. Right in Dubai.

866
00:44:02,000 --> 00:44:05,320
Speaker 2: These are the two. Even though it's forty five minutes flight,

867
00:44:05,840 --> 00:44:08,759
Speaker 2: it's maybe the most opposite from each other. You can

868
00:44:08,800 --> 00:44:09,200
Speaker 2: be in.

869
00:44:09,200 --> 00:44:11,280
Speaker 1: Ters five minute flight. Don't you have to go around?

870
00:44:11,360 --> 00:44:13,200
Speaker 2: Well, now you have to go around, but because of

871
00:44:13,320 --> 00:44:14,720
Speaker 2: some kind of yes.

872
00:44:14,640 --> 00:44:15,880
Speaker 1: You have to go around Iran.

873
00:44:16,120 --> 00:44:20,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, there was this. I think Guitar and Iran have

874
00:44:20,320 --> 00:44:22,520
Speaker 2: a no flights. I don't want to get into because

875
00:44:22,520 --> 00:44:24,720
Speaker 2: I'm not sure and I don't want to say wrong things.

876
00:44:24,920 --> 00:44:25,719
Speaker 2: But it used to be.

877
00:44:27,560 --> 00:44:33,880
Speaker 1: Exactly like try Pekovitch's seen as debating the Middle East Conference.

878
00:44:35,560 --> 00:44:37,520
Speaker 2: So I have no idea, but you're right. It used

879
00:44:37,560 --> 00:44:39,520
Speaker 2: to be a forty five minute flight, and then there

880
00:44:39,600 --> 00:44:41,719
Speaker 2: was some kind of no flight zone, so now you

881
00:44:41,800 --> 00:44:43,320
Speaker 2: have to go I remember that.

882
00:44:43,320 --> 00:44:44,080
Speaker 1: You're like, what the fuck?

883
00:44:44,280 --> 00:44:44,440
Speaker 2: Yes?

884
00:44:44,680 --> 00:44:45,680
Speaker 1: Used to be way quicker?

885
00:44:45,840 --> 00:44:48,759
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, you're right, but anyway, so despite it

886
00:44:48,840 --> 00:44:53,640
Speaker 2: being very close in terms of in terms of geometry geography,

887
00:44:54,680 --> 00:44:59,320
Speaker 2: in geometry geometry, it is actually conditions wise the most

888
00:45:00,120 --> 00:45:04,839
Speaker 2: the sit of whatever you can. So in Doha, you

889
00:45:04,880 --> 00:45:09,240
Speaker 2: play at night, it gets so cold and so slow.

890
00:45:09,400 --> 00:45:13,480
Speaker 2: The courts are gritty, it's slow. You can barely hit

891
00:45:13,520 --> 00:45:16,000
Speaker 2: an ace. That's why Ega always plays well there. She's

892
00:45:16,040 --> 00:45:19,080
Speaker 2: one of three times already and lost Tosa panclin the semis.

893
00:45:19,400 --> 00:45:23,080
Speaker 2: But it's like for these players who have a bit

894
00:45:23,080 --> 00:45:26,359
Speaker 2: of spin on it, it's perfect right, and talking about

895
00:45:26,400 --> 00:45:28,520
Speaker 2: Amanda winning a bit of spin on it, and then

896
00:45:28,600 --> 00:45:33,040
Speaker 2: Dubai is super fast. It's like the fastest hardcore we

897
00:45:33,080 --> 00:45:35,600
Speaker 2: have on the WTA tour. You played during the day,

898
00:45:35,680 --> 00:45:38,560
Speaker 2: it gets hot and dry and the ball fly. So

899
00:45:38,600 --> 00:45:40,839
Speaker 2: it's literally the opposite from each other.

900
00:45:40,960 --> 00:45:43,279
Speaker 1: That's why, like it's very rare to see people win

901
00:45:43,360 --> 00:45:44,800
Speaker 1: Indian Wells and then win Miami.

902
00:45:44,920 --> 00:45:48,480
Speaker 2: Yes, it's very similar to this differ. It's actually very similar,

903
00:45:48,880 --> 00:45:51,600
Speaker 2: with the big exception that in the welles, if you

904
00:45:51,640 --> 00:45:54,359
Speaker 2: lose early you have a week to prepare. Even if

905
00:45:54,360 --> 00:45:56,399
Speaker 2: you go far, you still have four or five days.

906
00:45:56,920 --> 00:46:02,320
Speaker 2: Dubai and Dubai, so Amanda played on Saturday the final Endoha,

907
00:46:02,360 --> 00:46:06,160
Speaker 2: and she played on Monday morning, Yeah, like Monday first

908
00:46:06,200 --> 00:46:08,719
Speaker 2: match or something like. She played her next match, so

909
00:46:08,760 --> 00:46:12,239
Speaker 2: she had a day to travel, celebrate, get ready, and

910
00:46:12,239 --> 00:46:13,200
Speaker 2: then play another match.

911
00:46:13,280 --> 00:46:16,160
Speaker 1: This is good love impossible, which is why I'm really

912
00:46:16,239 --> 00:46:19,480
Speaker 1: proud of Madison Keys, because I know I don't take

913
00:46:19,560 --> 00:46:21,600
Speaker 1: credit for this, but I did see beyond after the

914
00:46:21,600 --> 00:46:24,120
Speaker 1: Austrain Open, and I said, if there's one advice I

915
00:46:24,120 --> 00:46:26,360
Speaker 1: could give you from people I did not win a

916
00:46:26,400 --> 00:46:29,399
Speaker 1: singles Grand Slam, but from people that did that sort

917
00:46:29,400 --> 00:46:31,200
Speaker 1: of it was like a bit of a shock to them,

918
00:46:31,560 --> 00:46:34,560
Speaker 1: including Sam Stozer, who I talked to about it. Sam

919
00:46:34,680 --> 00:46:37,239
Speaker 1: regrets playing immediately after winning the US Open. She wished

920
00:46:37,239 --> 00:46:41,080
Speaker 1: she hadn't gone to Asia, and I suggested to be on.

921
00:46:41,160 --> 00:46:43,239
Speaker 1: I'm like, why why are you going to Dohandubai. It's

922
00:46:43,280 --> 00:46:45,759
Speaker 1: in like ten days. There's so much shit she's going

923
00:46:45,800 --> 00:46:48,319
Speaker 1: to be doing. Get her And Sam said, a great thing.

924
00:46:48,400 --> 00:46:49,880
Speaker 1: And I don't know if you listened to it, but

925
00:46:49,960 --> 00:46:53,279
Speaker 1: she said, just because she won the Austrain Open doesn't

926
00:46:53,280 --> 00:46:55,640
Speaker 1: guarantee you're going to win your next match, So you've

927
00:46:55,640 --> 00:46:58,000
Speaker 1: got to be prepared to put that same effort in

928
00:46:58,239 --> 00:47:00,960
Speaker 1: mentally and physically for the next time you play. And

929
00:47:01,200 --> 00:47:03,040
Speaker 1: I think that's a great idea that she chose not

930
00:47:03,080 --> 00:47:04,960
Speaker 1: to go to the Middle East. And I think Maddie

931
00:47:05,000 --> 00:47:06,200
Speaker 1: Keys is going to be really tough to beat in

932
00:47:06,239 --> 00:47:09,520
Speaker 1: Indie Wells because of that now. But anyway, Yeah, but

933
00:47:09,719 --> 00:47:11,120
Speaker 1: really for Amanda.

934
00:47:10,840 --> 00:47:14,120
Speaker 2: No, im really happy you made the mental points amazingly.

935
00:47:14,880 --> 00:47:17,120
Speaker 2: One hundred percent agree with you. But I just wanted

936
00:47:17,120 --> 00:47:18,960
Speaker 2: to talk about her tennis a little bit because I

937
00:47:19,040 --> 00:47:21,839
Speaker 2: called all her matches in Doha and it was not

938
00:47:21,880 --> 00:47:25,239
Speaker 2: only the mental side, but she improved so much. So

939
00:47:25,360 --> 00:47:28,480
Speaker 2: two things that we all knew about Amanda. She doesn't

940
00:47:28,520 --> 00:47:32,279
Speaker 2: have a lot of spin, and especially on the forehand side, right,

941
00:47:32,360 --> 00:47:34,759
Speaker 2: she has a bit of margin. Now it's not going

942
00:47:34,800 --> 00:47:38,080
Speaker 2: to be an Egociontec forehand, a Jasmine Paulini forehand, but

943
00:47:38,120 --> 00:47:40,040
Speaker 2: she has a bit of height on the forehand she

944
00:47:40,080 --> 00:47:42,680
Speaker 2: has a bit more security. And what it helped her

945
00:47:42,680 --> 00:47:44,800
Speaker 2: with there was the other thing we always talked about Amanda.

946
00:47:44,840 --> 00:47:46,920
Speaker 2: She plays amazing the first set and a half, but

947
00:47:47,000 --> 00:47:49,319
Speaker 2: then she tends to get nervous, right, and it's not

948
00:47:49,360 --> 00:47:51,160
Speaker 2: that she gets and this is a very important point.

949
00:47:51,160 --> 00:47:52,919
Speaker 2: I want to make. It's not that she gets more

950
00:47:52,960 --> 00:47:56,320
Speaker 2: nervous than others, but she has less margin than others.

951
00:47:56,640 --> 00:47:59,840
Speaker 2: So when Amanda gets nervous, the balls start to go everywhere,

952
00:48:00,080 --> 00:48:02,600
Speaker 2: whereas somebody like Ego, when she gets nervous, she can

953
00:48:02,640 --> 00:48:05,920
Speaker 2: still make a lot of balls. Sure, exactly, it's just

954
00:48:05,960 --> 00:48:08,920
Speaker 2: shorter in the court. Angie was the best example. Kerber.

955
00:48:09,000 --> 00:48:11,520
Speaker 2: When she got nervous, she still made you play thirty

956
00:48:11,719 --> 00:48:15,160
Speaker 2: five shot rellies. She just played a bit shorter. But Amanda,

957
00:48:15,200 --> 00:48:17,759
Speaker 2: with that little margin, that is the thing. And she

958
00:48:18,000 --> 00:48:20,040
Speaker 2: because she had that bit of more spin on her

959
00:48:20,160 --> 00:48:22,680
Speaker 2: on her forehand, she didn't get so nervous. She had

960
00:48:22,719 --> 00:48:25,040
Speaker 2: only one match where she got tight. That was against

961
00:48:25,040 --> 00:48:27,400
Speaker 2: Marta accostuc That was the toughest match of all for her.

962
00:48:27,640 --> 00:48:29,520
Speaker 2: It's the only set she's lost. She was up for

963
00:48:29,760 --> 00:48:32,200
Speaker 2: one and I think forty fifteen in the first set

964
00:48:32,440 --> 00:48:34,680
Speaker 2: to win the first set, and then lost it. But

965
00:48:34,760 --> 00:48:37,759
Speaker 2: that's also the new mental side of her, the new

966
00:48:37,800 --> 00:48:40,200
Speaker 2: mental forty two. She came back and wanted seven five

967
00:48:40,320 --> 00:48:43,120
Speaker 2: sixty four after that, which I thought was an incredible

968
00:48:43,160 --> 00:48:46,080
Speaker 2: statement to the rest of the draw, saying like, yes,

969
00:48:46,360 --> 00:48:48,759
Speaker 2: I got nervous, but I bounced back and I played well,

970
00:48:48,800 --> 00:48:51,439
Speaker 2: and she played an amazing final. She did not get

971
00:48:51,480 --> 00:48:53,560
Speaker 2: nervous at all, served it out like a champ. No,

972
00:48:53,680 --> 00:48:57,880
Speaker 2: she actually broke to win it. And the back and

973
00:48:57,960 --> 00:49:00,840
Speaker 2: down the line is still as mesmerizing ever and the

974
00:49:00,880 --> 00:49:03,640
Speaker 2: shots are still as clean as ever, just with that

975
00:49:03,719 --> 00:49:09,240
Speaker 2: added margin and that edit added taking care of her nerves.

976
00:49:09,280 --> 00:49:11,400
Speaker 2: She was the best player there and she deserved to

977
00:49:11,400 --> 00:49:12,000
Speaker 2: win the tournament.

978
00:49:12,040 --> 00:49:14,280
Speaker 1: And I just think, you know, taking care of herself

979
00:49:14,360 --> 00:49:17,399
Speaker 1: mentally over the last couple of years has really made

980
00:49:17,400 --> 00:49:19,719
Speaker 1: a difference with her winning these matches as well, because

981
00:49:19,719 --> 00:49:22,600
Speaker 1: she's like Maddie, it's not life and death anymore. It's

982
00:49:22,600 --> 00:49:25,040
Speaker 1: about I want to play because I enjoy it. And

983
00:49:25,120 --> 00:49:28,319
Speaker 1: so just I'm just ultra ultra proud of what she

984
00:49:28,400 --> 00:49:31,200
Speaker 1: was able to do. Can we just briefly talk about

985
00:49:31,239 --> 00:49:34,160
Speaker 1: the fact that Ostar Panko is now five and oer against.

986
00:49:34,280 --> 00:49:36,040
Speaker 1: If there's one player on the drawer that Egert like

987
00:49:36,320 --> 00:49:41,520
Speaker 1: just hopes is nowhere, what the fuck? Five and O? Now, Okay,

988
00:49:41,600 --> 00:49:43,960
Speaker 1: you did the match the match, and we talked about

989
00:49:43,960 --> 00:49:46,960
Speaker 1: it prior to the pod. Give me your thoughts on

990
00:49:47,080 --> 00:49:48,680
Speaker 1: why Eager cannot win a match?

991
00:49:48,800 --> 00:49:51,640
Speaker 2: So there is two things. It's partly because of us

992
00:49:51,640 --> 00:49:54,960
Speaker 2: Stepanco and partly because of Eager. One part of Sapanko.

993
00:49:55,000 --> 00:49:57,719
Speaker 2: I want to talk about that quickly. She's so motivated

994
00:49:57,719 --> 00:50:00,359
Speaker 2: against Eager. She came out, she had to determine in

995
00:50:00,360 --> 00:50:04,000
Speaker 2: her face. She really wanted once to win these matches.

996
00:50:04,040 --> 00:50:06,440
Speaker 2: That's number one. Number two, she believes she can win

997
00:50:06,480 --> 00:50:08,960
Speaker 2: because she has done it four times before and now

998
00:50:09,040 --> 00:50:11,480
Speaker 2: for the fifth time in Doha. And the third thing,

999
00:50:11,520 --> 00:50:14,600
Speaker 2: and not enough people talk about it. Ostapenko is actually

1000
00:50:14,640 --> 00:50:16,680
Speaker 2: a little bit different to the other girls. A lot

1001
00:50:16,719 --> 00:50:19,840
Speaker 2: of girls, most I want to say, have their preferential

1002
00:50:19,960 --> 00:50:23,680
Speaker 2: strike zone around hip high. Ostapenko prefers it a bit

1003
00:50:23,760 --> 00:50:26,920
Speaker 2: higher than hip hi. She actually likes when it sits

1004
00:50:26,960 --> 00:50:28,680
Speaker 2: a little and she can go. If you think about

1005
00:50:28,719 --> 00:50:31,560
Speaker 2: the play, not too high, no, no, no, just a

1006
00:50:31,600 --> 00:50:34,160
Speaker 2: bit higher, maybe an inch to two.

1007
00:50:34,080 --> 00:50:36,319
Speaker 1: About exactly where Ega hits it.

1008
00:50:36,640 --> 00:50:39,120
Speaker 2: Exactly where Ega hits it. So this is terrible matchup

1009
00:50:39,160 --> 00:50:41,600
Speaker 2: for Ega. And if you think about where Ostapenko has

1010
00:50:41,640 --> 00:50:44,719
Speaker 2: triumphed in the past French Open, and if you think

1011
00:50:44,760 --> 00:50:48,919
Speaker 2: about the player she's beat there, Stoser, Osniaki Halip, those

1012
00:50:48,920 --> 00:50:51,600
Speaker 2: are all tremendous I know Sam was.

1013
00:50:52,280 --> 00:50:55,680
Speaker 1: Her winning record against her. Broke her hand in that match, Yes,

1014
00:50:55,800 --> 00:50:58,520
Speaker 1: the year she won the French Open. Okay, broke her

1015
00:50:58,560 --> 00:50:59,800
Speaker 1: hand in the match.

1016
00:51:00,840 --> 00:51:02,440
Speaker 2: But if you think about if you go and I

1017
00:51:02,520 --> 00:51:02,759
Speaker 2: had a.

1018
00:51:02,719 --> 00:51:04,799
Speaker 1: Good record against her, yeah you know why.

1019
00:51:04,560 --> 00:51:07,839
Speaker 2: Because she hits it even higher and slice. That's the thing.

1020
00:51:07,960 --> 00:51:10,640
Speaker 2: And the thing is if you look at Ostapenko's big

1021
00:51:10,680 --> 00:51:13,640
Speaker 2: successes at the French Open, the players she's played, they

1022
00:51:13,680 --> 00:51:16,160
Speaker 2: played a bit higher and they don't play so fast.

1023
00:51:16,239 --> 00:51:19,640
Speaker 2: Was Niaki haleeb right. And the thing is with Ostapenko

1024
00:51:19,760 --> 00:51:22,600
Speaker 2: she hates playing other like it's it's like a weird

1025
00:51:23,120 --> 00:51:26,360
Speaker 2: rule of life. Big hitters hate playing other big hitters.

1026
00:51:26,360 --> 00:51:29,080
Speaker 2: She came out against Anisimova and she looked overwhelmed. She

1027
00:51:29,120 --> 00:51:31,120
Speaker 2: was like, what, I don't have time, She was late

1028
00:51:31,200 --> 00:51:34,240
Speaker 2: on everything. So big hitters hate playing other big hitters.

1029
00:51:34,239 --> 00:51:38,120
Speaker 2: So Ostapenko loves EGA's game. She just plays well against her.

1030
00:51:38,160 --> 00:51:40,279
Speaker 2: Even if she has lost ten times first round, she

1031
00:51:40,320 --> 00:51:43,160
Speaker 2: will play Ega and she will feel comfortable. That was

1032
00:51:43,200 --> 00:51:45,759
Speaker 2: the one part. The other part about EGA's game is

1033
00:51:46,160 --> 00:51:49,200
Speaker 2: she did so well with win by her side to

1034
00:51:49,400 --> 00:51:52,760
Speaker 2: not ballbash with other ball bashers. In the recent times,

1035
00:51:52,800 --> 00:51:56,279
Speaker 2: since she's She did well at the Austrian Open. She

1036
00:51:56,400 --> 00:51:58,600
Speaker 2: just got out played by Madison Keys, but she hadn't

1037
00:51:58,600 --> 00:52:00,839
Speaker 2: met at one point exactly, she had a match point,

1038
00:52:00,920 --> 00:52:03,560
Speaker 2: so she's doing a lot better. She beat her Bakina

1039
00:52:03,600 --> 00:52:06,160
Speaker 2: now twice in a row, a player she hated playing.

1040
00:52:06,440 --> 00:52:08,680
Speaker 2: She beat her at the United Cup and she beat

1041
00:52:08,719 --> 00:52:11,560
Speaker 2: her Heandoha, and she beat Noskova, who had won the

1042
00:52:11,600 --> 00:52:14,080
Speaker 2: first set, who she also doesn't like playing she.

1043
00:52:14,120 --> 00:52:15,719
Speaker 1: Lost to, and who she's lost to.

1044
00:52:15,800 --> 00:52:18,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, and she did well with like putting a bit

1045
00:52:18,200 --> 00:52:21,680
Speaker 2: of margin on staying closer to her Dna that is

1046
00:52:21,760 --> 00:52:23,839
Speaker 2: more of a clay cult player, right that can play

1047
00:52:23,920 --> 00:52:26,680
Speaker 2: very aggressive but has that heavy spin can open the court.

1048
00:52:27,239 --> 00:52:31,000
Speaker 2: And she started playing Ostapenko and went straight back into

1049
00:52:31,040 --> 00:52:34,640
Speaker 2: the she isolashing. She regressed to the ego we saw

1050
00:52:34,719 --> 00:52:37,360
Speaker 2: last year on the quick hardcourts when she would panic

1051
00:52:37,400 --> 00:52:39,600
Speaker 2: and just ball bash with the other players, and she

1052
00:52:39,680 --> 00:52:42,760
Speaker 2: did exactly that against Ostapenko. And I understand it because

1053
00:52:42,760 --> 00:52:44,799
Speaker 2: when you have a negative head to head that is

1054
00:52:44,880 --> 00:52:47,560
Speaker 2: so bad, you start to lose clarity, and that's what

1055
00:52:47,600 --> 00:52:48,720
Speaker 2: she did. She lost clarity.

1056
00:52:48,960 --> 00:52:52,239
Speaker 1: Okay, so if you're losing clarity, you're not clear right,

1057
00:52:52,440 --> 00:52:54,320
Speaker 1: you're not clear on what you need to do. That's different.

1058
00:52:54,360 --> 00:52:56,440
Speaker 1: And I think that reason why she went back to

1059
00:52:56,480 --> 00:53:00,000
Speaker 1: ball bashing against Ostapenko. So she feels like, I get

1060
00:53:00,080 --> 00:53:04,759
Speaker 1: the first strike in exactly because Ostapenko there's no there's

1061
00:53:04,760 --> 00:53:07,080
Speaker 1: nothing in Ostapenko's brain that says I'm going to play

1062
00:53:07,080 --> 00:53:09,520
Speaker 1: a long point here. I'm just gonna go for it.

1063
00:53:09,719 --> 00:53:09,920
Speaker 2: You know.

1064
00:53:10,040 --> 00:53:12,960
Speaker 1: So I think she needs to be really prepared to

1065
00:53:13,080 --> 00:53:16,000
Speaker 1: hit the variety, hit the drop shot again, hit the

1066
00:53:16,080 --> 00:53:19,320
Speaker 1: high balls, get it out of the strike zone. Change

1067
00:53:19,360 --> 00:53:21,680
Speaker 1: up where she's serving all the time, because she clearly

1068
00:53:21,719 --> 00:53:24,200
Speaker 1: has a problem with where she's serving against Ostapenko as well,

1069
00:53:24,239 --> 00:53:26,920
Speaker 1: because Ostapenko just crushes the return on that, especially on

1070
00:53:26,920 --> 00:53:27,560
Speaker 1: that kickserve.

1071
00:53:28,719 --> 00:53:31,680
Speaker 2: And that's a great example. The kickserf that bothers a

1072
00:53:31,680 --> 00:53:35,920
Speaker 2: lot of girls goes right into where Osta Penkele likes it.

1073
00:53:36,040 --> 00:53:38,240
Speaker 2: You know, it's just like a bit hired than hippie,

1074
00:53:38,239 --> 00:53:39,319
Speaker 2: and she just crushes it.

1075
00:53:39,360 --> 00:53:41,520
Speaker 1: She's better off hitting the kickserve as a first serf

1076
00:53:42,280 --> 00:53:44,800
Speaker 1: to surprise her, yes, and to mix up the speeds.

1077
00:53:44,800 --> 00:53:47,520
Speaker 2: But anyway, well, and so just as an interesting and

1078
00:53:47,680 --> 00:53:50,000
Speaker 2: this is the first time I never thought about IGA's

1079
00:53:50,000 --> 00:53:52,400
Speaker 2: game that she needs to add a slize. That was

1080
00:53:52,400 --> 00:53:54,920
Speaker 2: the first time I thought, oh, she's missing a size

1081
00:53:54,960 --> 00:53:58,400
Speaker 2: because a Jabour actually has a five to one against

1082
00:53:58,520 --> 00:54:02,160
Speaker 2: Ostapenko to her in the quarters, but she was cooked mentally.

1083
00:54:02,200 --> 00:54:04,439
Speaker 2: She had beaten Chinway, and she has beaten a lot

1084
00:54:04,440 --> 00:54:08,320
Speaker 2: of very good players, and she's just come back from injury.

1085
00:54:08,080 --> 00:54:10,239
Speaker 1: First, like really good back to back to.

1086
00:54:10,320 --> 00:54:13,600
Speaker 2: Exactly, and so she was really mentally and physically fried

1087
00:54:13,680 --> 00:54:16,280
Speaker 2: against Osta Penkel. But she has a five to one

1088
00:54:16,520 --> 00:54:18,920
Speaker 2: and in the second set she started to just slice

1089
00:54:18,920 --> 00:54:21,279
Speaker 2: it and Osta Penkel got nervous. She got away with it.

1090
00:54:21,640 --> 00:54:23,640
Speaker 2: But that was the first time I thought, oh, if

1091
00:54:23,680 --> 00:54:26,120
Speaker 2: Ega had a slice, even if she doesn't feel comfortable

1092
00:54:26,120 --> 00:54:28,880
Speaker 2: with putting it up high, maybe with a slice she

1093
00:54:28,920 --> 00:54:30,000
Speaker 2: could you gain.

1094
00:54:29,920 --> 00:54:33,319
Speaker 1: Sometime Ostapenko if you don't junk her, which is why I.

1095
00:54:33,280 --> 00:54:35,080
Speaker 2: Say you either have to over You have to either

1096
00:54:35,320 --> 00:54:38,040
Speaker 2: overpower her like Amanda, did you know, because she hates

1097
00:54:38,080 --> 00:54:41,799
Speaker 2: other big hitters, like she always loses to Osaka as well.

1098
00:54:41,960 --> 00:54:44,839
Speaker 2: You know, you have to either overwhelm her with pace,

1099
00:54:44,880 --> 00:54:47,640
Speaker 2: and if you can't do that, then you have to junker.

1100
00:54:47,760 --> 00:54:49,279
Speaker 1: You have to junk her that which is why Sam

1101
00:54:49,320 --> 00:54:51,359
Speaker 1: had a good record against so actually she could hit

1102
00:54:51,400 --> 00:54:54,640
Speaker 1: that junkie slice and that heavy forehand that would jump

1103
00:54:54,680 --> 00:54:57,040
Speaker 1: away from her on the forehand, and also the kick

1104
00:54:57,080 --> 00:55:01,120
Speaker 1: serve is way bigger than Egers. Yeah, could have a okay,

1105
00:55:01,320 --> 00:55:03,839
Speaker 1: really quick golf and Seblenka, what's going on there?

1106
00:55:04,400 --> 00:55:07,560
Speaker 2: So Zabalanka I called them. I didn't see Cocos match,

1107
00:55:07,600 --> 00:55:09,440
Speaker 2: so I can't say. I just looked at the stats.

1108
00:55:09,440 --> 00:55:13,560
Speaker 2: She had forty unforced errors. It's tough against Marta costjoc

1109
00:55:13,640 --> 00:55:14,759
Speaker 2: on those slow courts, you.

1110
00:55:14,760 --> 00:55:18,960
Speaker 1: Know, Australia. I just think mentally she wasn't and she made.

1111
00:55:18,719 --> 00:55:20,759
Speaker 2: Her the last time seven six in the third in

1112
00:55:20,800 --> 00:55:23,440
Speaker 2: Stuttgut when they play after the Australiana Open, So clearly

1113
00:55:23,520 --> 00:55:26,200
Speaker 2: this is a tough matchup for her. I didn't see

1114
00:55:26,200 --> 00:55:27,799
Speaker 2: the match though, because it was in the middle of

1115
00:55:27,840 --> 00:55:29,759
Speaker 2: the night in La. I think they played at three

1116
00:55:29,880 --> 00:55:33,200
Speaker 2: thirty am, so I was flying, okay, So I don't

1117
00:55:33,239 --> 00:55:36,680
Speaker 2: really know, but I think Marta Costyuk is always tough

1118
00:55:36,719 --> 00:55:40,600
Speaker 2: when she plays well for anybody. Arena Sabalenka played Alexandrova,

1119
00:55:40,640 --> 00:55:45,000
Speaker 2: who was red hot and freaking playing amazing. She had

1120
00:55:45,040 --> 00:55:47,440
Speaker 2: just won Linz and She made the semis after that,

1121
00:55:47,600 --> 00:55:50,239
Speaker 2: so she was clearly playing very well and Arena lost

1122
00:55:50,280 --> 00:55:52,440
Speaker 2: seven six in the third. So it was a good match.

1123
00:55:52,440 --> 00:55:54,879
Speaker 2: It wasn't like she played a terrible match and lost.

1124
00:55:54,920 --> 00:55:57,279
Speaker 2: It was a good match. I will say that you

1125
00:55:57,320 --> 00:56:00,640
Speaker 2: can tell now that the something is off with a serf.

1126
00:56:00,800 --> 00:56:01,600
Speaker 1: I can tell you what it is.

1127
00:56:01,640 --> 00:56:03,879
Speaker 2: We know, we talked about it already in the last part.

1128
00:56:04,239 --> 00:56:06,719
Speaker 2: Her baltas is a lot higher. But what I meant

1129
00:56:06,719 --> 00:56:08,879
Speaker 2: more by it is that she gets broken a lot

1130
00:56:09,000 --> 00:56:13,480
Speaker 2: more and she can't hold. As you know, usually when

1131
00:56:13,480 --> 00:56:15,920
Speaker 2: you watch us a Balenka match and she breaks, you're like, oh,

1132
00:56:15,960 --> 00:56:18,839
Speaker 2: this match is done unless something crazy happens. And now

1133
00:56:18,840 --> 00:56:20,480
Speaker 2: you don't have it, and you can feel that she

1134
00:56:20,640 --> 00:56:22,560
Speaker 2: doesn't have it, and that gives her a little bit

1135
00:56:22,600 --> 00:56:26,560
Speaker 2: of insecurity. And so that's just worrisome about the sert.

1136
00:56:26,640 --> 00:56:28,240
Speaker 2: It's not like she's hitting double faults.

1137
00:56:28,280 --> 00:56:31,400
Speaker 1: It's just she's not getting free points like she was

1138
00:56:31,640 --> 00:56:35,160
Speaker 1: yes and then an important moment, because she doesn't believe

1139
00:56:35,200 --> 00:56:37,960
Speaker 1: in it in important moments, she pulls back and then

1140
00:56:38,000 --> 00:56:41,080
Speaker 1: again it was a perfect example. Is straight and open.

1141
00:56:41,120 --> 00:56:43,319
Speaker 1: When she wasn't going for the serf in the last game.

1142
00:56:43,680 --> 00:56:45,960
Speaker 1: I mean, she hit a couple of big serves and

1143
00:56:46,000 --> 00:56:48,040
Speaker 1: she served well. She did miss one for a serf,

1144
00:56:48,280 --> 00:56:50,200
Speaker 1: but Maddie was able to get on them because she

1145
00:56:50,239 --> 00:56:52,680
Speaker 1: wasn't hitting an ace or hitting an unreturnable well.

1146
00:56:52,680 --> 00:56:54,919
Speaker 2: And she took off. We remember we talked, we shook.

1147
00:56:55,040 --> 00:56:58,000
Speaker 2: She took eight nine kilometers per hour off, which is

1148
00:56:58,040 --> 00:56:59,400
Speaker 2: like four or five miles.

1149
00:56:59,440 --> 00:57:00,160
Speaker 1: That's a lot.

1150
00:57:00,239 --> 00:57:02,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a lot. And that's a difference for somebody

1151
00:57:02,360 --> 00:57:04,560
Speaker 2: like Maddie who has big swings, and it was the

1152
00:57:04,600 --> 00:57:08,440
Speaker 2: same against Alexandrova, who also big takes big swings on return.

1153
00:57:08,920 --> 00:57:12,720
Speaker 2: She in the important moments, was able to create something

1154
00:57:12,800 --> 00:57:15,960
Speaker 2: off the serve and I think that's the that has

1155
00:57:16,000 --> 00:57:19,800
Speaker 2: that has given Saballenka a bit of an insecurity and

1156
00:57:19,840 --> 00:57:21,160
Speaker 2: important moments for sure.

1157
00:57:21,280 --> 00:57:24,520
Speaker 1: I mean, she's obviously going up against Kuda Matova today

1158
00:57:24,560 --> 00:57:27,600
Speaker 1: actually as we do this this pod, so we'll see

1159
00:57:27,600 --> 00:57:31,120
Speaker 1: how she comes through this particular tournament. Golf is also

1160
00:57:31,240 --> 00:57:34,919
Speaker 1: on the court, just on GoF just real quick. I mean,

1161
00:57:35,040 --> 00:57:36,400
Speaker 1: you know, it's just starting to be a little bit

1162
00:57:36,440 --> 00:57:39,320
Speaker 1: of what's going on here because she was the hardest

1163
00:57:39,320 --> 00:57:42,600
Speaker 1: player going into the Australian Open. But again I've said

1164
00:57:42,600 --> 00:57:44,920
Speaker 1: it over and over. She played every match indoors, and

1165
00:57:45,000 --> 00:57:48,000
Speaker 1: it does make a difference with where the ball moves.

1166
00:57:48,040 --> 00:57:50,920
Speaker 1: And if you're not feeling good on your serf, if

1167
00:57:50,920 --> 00:57:53,160
Speaker 1: you're not feeling good on your forehand, you know, and

1168
00:57:53,280 --> 00:57:58,080
Speaker 1: you start. Things are much harder outside than they are indoors.

1169
00:57:58,160 --> 00:58:01,280
Speaker 1: Things are indoors. It's just pure hitting. It's just easier.

1170
00:58:01,320 --> 00:58:06,880
Speaker 1: Everything's in the slot, everything's in the zone. And you know, outdoors,

1171
00:58:07,280 --> 00:58:09,240
Speaker 1: you've got wind, you've got sun, you've got stuff to

1172
00:58:09,280 --> 00:58:11,240
Speaker 1: deal with, and if you're not technically sound or don't

1173
00:58:11,240 --> 00:58:13,240
Speaker 1: feel confident on it, it's going to pay the price.

1174
00:58:13,280 --> 00:58:15,520
Speaker 1: And clearly that's what's happened over the last couple of weeks.

1175
00:58:15,520 --> 00:58:16,440
Speaker 2: Eager she on Tech.

1176
00:58:16,320 --> 00:58:20,000
Speaker 1: Beat sabial Anka as a ranker today to and love.

1177
00:58:20,080 --> 00:58:23,880
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know as a ranker. I mean

1178
00:58:23,880 --> 00:58:25,480
Speaker 1: there's a former world number one and a player that

1179
00:58:25,560 --> 00:58:28,640
Speaker 1: was you know, two time Grandsam champion. To be keep

1180
00:58:28,680 --> 00:58:30,720
Speaker 1: losing like that, I mean, that's got to hurt you.

1181
00:58:30,720 --> 00:58:33,320
Speaker 1: But seon Tech is playing good this year. No, she's

1182
00:58:33,360 --> 00:58:36,880
Speaker 1: playing well, I tell you, and make my prediction, well,

1183
00:58:36,960 --> 00:58:38,920
Speaker 1: she will not lose a match on clay this year.

1184
00:58:39,080 --> 00:58:41,760
Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, well I would mean she didn't lose a

1185
00:58:41,800 --> 00:58:43,439
Speaker 2: match on clay last year, did she? Or she lost

1186
00:58:43,480 --> 00:58:46,439
Speaker 2: against Rebuccin and Stuttgat. That's indoors and it's on five

1187
00:58:46,520 --> 00:58:50,400
Speaker 2: hundred meters higher so but still but she barely lost

1188
00:58:50,400 --> 00:58:52,400
Speaker 2: the match. And she's a much better player this year

1189
00:58:52,440 --> 00:58:54,760
Speaker 2: than she was. This was really it felt like against

1190
00:58:54,800 --> 00:58:57,280
Speaker 2: Usta Pankell, it felt like a regression because I could

1191
00:58:57,320 --> 00:59:00,919
Speaker 2: see the development in her game month in month out

1192
00:59:01,000 --> 00:59:03,960
Speaker 2: against the heart hitters and then against a Stapenko was

1193
00:59:04,000 --> 00:59:06,400
Speaker 2: boom you got from last year.

1194
00:59:06,480 --> 00:59:10,120
Speaker 1: Hopefully on her from her standpoint, she can sit back

1195
00:59:10,160 --> 00:59:12,080
Speaker 1: and go, oh yeah, that's why I lose to her.

1196
00:59:12,480 --> 00:59:14,040
Speaker 1: The thing I have to change that.

1197
00:59:14,200 --> 00:59:16,760
Speaker 2: Yeah. The thing with with IgA was though in Dohat

1198
00:59:16,840 --> 00:59:19,040
Speaker 2: there was again the which I didn't see in her

1199
00:59:19,120 --> 00:59:21,960
Speaker 2: so much at the Astan Opened, the nervousness, there was

1200
00:59:22,000 --> 00:59:24,200
Speaker 2: a lot of tensions. She was yelling out at her

1201
00:59:24,240 --> 00:59:26,600
Speaker 2: box at Daria. There was just like a lot of

1202
00:59:26,640 --> 00:59:29,600
Speaker 2: nervousness which I hadn't seen so much at the Austrian Open.

1203
00:59:29,680 --> 00:59:32,560
Speaker 2: But also again she had won this title three times.

1204
00:59:32,600 --> 00:59:34,680
Speaker 2: She could have won it four times in a row,

1205
00:59:34,720 --> 00:59:37,960
Speaker 2: which was unheard of and there was a lot of

1206
00:59:38,000 --> 00:59:39,760
Speaker 2: pressure on her. But just one more. I want to

1207
00:59:39,880 --> 00:59:45,760
Speaker 2: end on a positive note. Fonseca, what a beautiful name

1208
00:59:46,200 --> 00:59:49,800
Speaker 2: and what a freaking beautiful tennis game. Are you kidding me?

1209
00:59:50,480 --> 00:59:53,640
Speaker 1: He's but starting to talk about the top the next

1210
00:59:54,040 --> 00:59:56,800
Speaker 1: three Big three, Right, let's see him sometime.

1211
00:59:57,800 --> 01:00:00,640
Speaker 2: I mean, he's incredible and I would name him right

1212
01:00:00,680 --> 01:00:03,000
Speaker 2: away with them. The only thing that I hope he's

1213
01:00:03,040 --> 01:00:06,200
Speaker 2: eighteen years old. When you see him play, when you

1214
01:00:06,240 --> 01:00:08,760
Speaker 2: see him play, when you hear him talk, he is

1215
01:00:08,920 --> 01:00:11,760
Speaker 2: eighteen years old. You can just tell. It's like it

1216
01:00:11,840 --> 01:00:13,520
Speaker 2: was funny to me because he won the title and

1217
01:00:13,560 --> 01:00:15,960
Speaker 2: he was crying. He was so excited and everyone around

1218
01:00:16,080 --> 01:00:18,200
Speaker 2: was like, oh yeah, that's his first from like seven

1219
01:00:18,280 --> 01:00:20,840
Speaker 2: thousand more to come, but for him it was his

1220
01:00:20,920 --> 01:00:23,640
Speaker 2: first title. He was so emotional. It was so beautiful

1221
01:00:23,640 --> 01:00:26,959
Speaker 2: to watch. And what is incredible with him He gets

1222
01:00:27,000 --> 01:00:30,120
Speaker 2: a little tight, but then he doesn't is not affected

1223
01:00:30,160 --> 01:00:32,880
Speaker 2: by it, you know. So for example, in the semi final,

1224
01:00:33,280 --> 01:00:36,480
Speaker 2: he was up six three five three, serving for the

1225
01:00:36,520 --> 01:00:39,240
Speaker 2: match twice, didn't get it, but then plays a great tiebreak.

1226
01:00:39,280 --> 01:00:42,120
Speaker 2: Same in the final, serving for the match twice, doesn't

1227
01:00:42,160 --> 01:00:44,080
Speaker 2: get it. Gets it in the tiebreak. Who does that

1228
01:00:44,200 --> 01:00:46,720
Speaker 2: sound like against Jarrett? Who?

1229
01:00:46,800 --> 01:00:47,880
Speaker 1: Who does that sound like?

1230
01:00:47,920 --> 01:00:48,840
Speaker 2: Who does it sound like?

1231
01:00:49,480 --> 01:00:50,560
Speaker 1: Every great player?

1232
01:00:50,760 --> 01:00:51,680
Speaker 2: But that's what I mean.

1233
01:00:51,760 --> 01:00:53,880
Speaker 1: That's what I mean by but he's still to let

1234
01:00:53,880 --> 01:00:57,439
Speaker 1: go of disappointment and understand the task at hand.

1235
01:00:57,480 --> 01:00:59,560
Speaker 2: But that's what I mean by why I pointed out

1236
01:00:59,680 --> 01:01:02,080
Speaker 2: is not he because he gets tight or whatever. But

1237
01:01:02,120 --> 01:01:04,120
Speaker 2: what I want to point out is that's why you

1238
01:01:04,160 --> 01:01:07,280
Speaker 2: can still tell that he's young, because he does get ted.

1239
01:01:07,320 --> 01:01:09,760
Speaker 2: In three years, you won't get tight anymore. Said, let

1240
01:01:09,840 --> 01:01:12,840
Speaker 2: me just finish this thing, right, But let me just

1241
01:01:12,880 --> 01:01:15,120
Speaker 2: finish this. The thing why I'm saying this, this is

1242
01:01:15,160 --> 01:01:17,960
Speaker 2: what I'm trying to make the point of, is I

1243
01:01:18,000 --> 01:01:21,560
Speaker 2: hope that everyone just calms the farm and lets him

1244
01:01:21,640 --> 01:01:25,760
Speaker 2: steadily improve and progress, because then we will have an

1245
01:01:25,800 --> 01:01:29,480
Speaker 2: incredible player vying for multiple major titles for the next

1246
01:01:29,520 --> 01:01:32,360
Speaker 2: fifteen years. If now, because you have to remember in

1247
01:01:32,400 --> 01:01:35,000
Speaker 2: Brazil there wasn't a player vying for major titles since

1248
01:01:35,080 --> 01:01:40,720
Speaker 2: Googa Curtain. They are incredibly passionate fans. If he gets overwhelmed,

1249
01:01:40,720 --> 01:01:43,600
Speaker 2: he's now playing in rio. If he gets overwhelmed by

1250
01:01:43,600 --> 01:01:48,080
Speaker 2: this expectation and emotion and everyone wanting him to do

1251
01:01:48,120 --> 01:01:50,919
Speaker 2: so well, we might not see him on the top

1252
01:01:50,960 --> 01:01:52,760
Speaker 2: of the game for the next ten to fifteen years.

1253
01:01:52,760 --> 01:01:56,080
Speaker 2: And that's why I'm hoping everyone slows down and gives

1254
01:01:56,120 --> 01:01:58,919
Speaker 2: him the time he needs to evolve, because then, yeah,

1255
01:01:59,040 --> 01:02:01,280
Speaker 2: because then we will have this Because I don't know

1256
01:02:01,320 --> 01:02:04,360
Speaker 2: if you've watched him play, it's the greatest thing. It's

1257
01:02:04,400 --> 01:02:07,480
Speaker 2: like watching al Karas and Cinera play. It's so freaking fun.

1258
01:02:07,600 --> 01:02:09,360
Speaker 1: Yeah. No, I've watched him play. Of course, I've watched

1259
01:02:09,440 --> 01:02:12,280
Speaker 1: him play. This guy is so exciting. I am so

1260
01:02:12,360 --> 01:02:16,920
Speaker 1: excited about the possibility of this top next best three

1261
01:02:17,440 --> 01:02:21,280
Speaker 1: and they are clearly his stand out best three potential.

1262
01:02:21,480 --> 01:02:24,680
Speaker 1: I mean, Sino's now one, you know what, three Grand

1263
01:02:24,680 --> 01:02:29,080
Speaker 1: slams three Yeah, three Grand slams Auchress, I mean wow,

1264
01:02:29,600 --> 01:02:31,680
Speaker 1: that in and of itself is incredible and fun. Take

1265
01:02:31,680 --> 01:02:34,200
Speaker 1: it for sure. He'll be a threat at the French Open.

1266
01:02:35,000 --> 01:02:35,240
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1267
01:02:35,320 --> 01:02:36,440
Speaker 1: Well yeah, I mean I know.

1268
01:02:36,400 --> 01:02:37,400
Speaker 2: He's eighteen, but no, no, no.

1269
01:02:38,880 --> 01:02:40,240
Speaker 1: French Open at eighteen.

1270
01:02:40,080 --> 01:02:43,640
Speaker 2: Yes, no, one percent his threat at every tournament. The

1271
01:02:43,680 --> 01:02:46,040
Speaker 2: only thing I have seen with him so far is

1272
01:02:46,360 --> 01:02:49,720
Speaker 2: he gets so excited emotionally that sometimes he burns out.

1273
01:02:50,400 --> 01:02:53,640
Speaker 2: That's eighteen exactly. That's what I mean. He is going

1274
01:02:53,680 --> 01:02:54,080
Speaker 2: to learn.

1275
01:02:54,200 --> 01:02:57,320
Speaker 1: We all learn. You know that that's not going to

1276
01:02:57,400 --> 01:02:59,840
Speaker 1: help us get super excited to break it one love

1277
01:02:59,840 --> 01:03:02,800
Speaker 1: and the first sets. It's what you see in juniors,

1278
01:03:02,840 --> 01:03:04,440
Speaker 1: you know, when they're playing a top player and they

1279
01:03:04,480 --> 01:03:06,480
Speaker 1: win the first game, they like, oh, come on, and

1280
01:03:06,480 --> 01:03:07,400
Speaker 1: he's like, uh.

1281
01:03:08,320 --> 01:03:10,640
Speaker 2: There's a lot more whoa, whoa, whoa, there's a lumma

1282
01:03:10,680 --> 01:03:11,480
Speaker 2: would to cut.

1283
01:03:11,440 --> 01:03:14,400
Speaker 1: Come the farm, little one. You've got two and a

1284
01:03:14,440 --> 01:03:16,240
Speaker 1: half hours left of this and if you can get

1285
01:03:16,240 --> 01:03:18,720
Speaker 1: through it, you can give the come on after winning

1286
01:03:18,720 --> 01:03:21,440
Speaker 1: a set maybe, but until then. But these are all

1287
01:03:21,440 --> 01:03:23,560
Speaker 1: things you learn because you don't know how to react

1288
01:03:23,560 --> 01:03:26,640
Speaker 1: in big moments, and he's just gonna learn to. This

1289
01:03:26,800 --> 01:03:29,560
Speaker 1: is like and I will also say second nature for me. Now.

1290
01:03:29,600 --> 01:03:34,040
Speaker 2: He played I think twenty five Argentinians in a row

1291
01:03:34,200 --> 01:03:37,800
Speaker 2: in Argentina. It was incredible. I was like, oh my god,

1292
01:03:37,840 --> 01:03:41,640
Speaker 2: he's playing an Argentine again and he handled it. And

1293
01:03:42,000 --> 01:03:44,680
Speaker 2: granted that there were a lot of Brazilian fans there

1294
01:03:44,760 --> 01:03:49,240
Speaker 2: and they kept a nice balance against the Argentine wall

1295
01:03:49,440 --> 01:03:54,040
Speaker 2: of fans, but but man, that was incredible. He not

1296
01:03:54,160 --> 01:03:57,680
Speaker 2: only won his first title, he wanted in Argentina again

1297
01:03:57,880 --> 01:04:01,400
Speaker 2: basically except for Jarrett in the Semis against every single

1298
01:04:01,480 --> 01:04:03,400
Speaker 2: Argentinian player that plays out there right.

1299
01:04:03,280 --> 01:04:08,080
Speaker 1: Now, Well done, mister Fonseka. We cannot wait to see

1300
01:04:08,360 --> 01:04:10,160
Speaker 1: the future for you. We cannot wait to see what

1301
01:04:10,200 --> 01:04:12,560
Speaker 1: a man a Nissa Mova can do at Indian Wells.

1302
01:04:12,600 --> 01:04:14,240
Speaker 1: I think she's going to be real tough to be.

1303
01:04:14,720 --> 01:04:17,280
Speaker 2: There was there was, honestly, you go in bed winning

1304
01:04:17,320 --> 01:04:21,280
Speaker 2: and Marseille defending his title. But I think honestly there

1305
01:04:21,280 --> 01:04:24,760
Speaker 2: were a lot of favorites that lost early on Zvera

1306
01:04:24,800 --> 01:04:26,439
Speaker 2: f lost to Cirrindolo.

1307
01:04:26,160 --> 01:04:29,520
Speaker 1: Never did what is happening with him? Coaches, He's like

1308
01:04:29,600 --> 01:04:31,480
Speaker 1: moving on. He can't win a match he won today

1309
01:04:31,720 --> 01:04:32,800
Speaker 1: against Hutchanov.

1310
01:04:32,960 --> 01:04:37,680
Speaker 3: Yeah but but but just in the end, it was

1311
01:04:37,720 --> 01:04:40,360
Speaker 3: a super fun week having any Simova on top, having

1312
01:04:40,360 --> 01:04:43,160
Speaker 3: fun second on top, in bed, defending his title in Marseille.

1313
01:04:43,400 --> 01:04:45,880
Speaker 2: It was a fun week in the end. I think

1314
01:04:45,920 --> 01:04:47,440
Speaker 2: everyone got what they wanted.

1315
01:04:47,680 --> 01:04:52,680
Speaker 1: Including Sinner. Yeah joking, I'm joking, would have liked to

1316
01:04:52,680 --> 01:04:56,280
Speaker 1: have not had three months, says, yes, Sinner got exactly

1317
01:04:56,280 --> 01:04:56,840
Speaker 1: one who.

1318
01:04:56,640 --> 01:04:58,960
Speaker 2: Wanted does not clear.

1319
01:05:00,400 --> 01:05:03,880
Speaker 1: Anyway, We are sitting here watching Baratini, Djokovic. Nice to

1320
01:05:03,920 --> 01:05:07,360
Speaker 1: see Novak back because we weren't sure about his leg

1321
01:05:07,440 --> 01:05:10,080
Speaker 1: situation after straight and open, but he.

1322
01:05:10,160 --> 01:05:12,640
Speaker 2: Is back and he's playing doubles.

1323
01:05:12,160 --> 01:05:14,080
Speaker 1: And he's playing doubles well, he hasn't played a lot

1324
01:05:14,080 --> 01:05:14,640
Speaker 1: of matches.

1325
01:05:14,440 --> 01:05:23,240
Speaker 2: Since he's one with Verdesko and six black sixth six one.

1326
01:05:22,640 --> 01:05:25,320
Speaker 1: Was anyway, all right, guys, Well thanks for joining me

1327
01:05:25,360 --> 01:05:28,960
Speaker 1: again today. Petco. We are back in New York. I am,

1328
01:05:29,040 --> 01:05:33,000
Speaker 1: and we'll be in Indian Wells and Miami, so you'll

1329
01:05:33,000 --> 01:05:35,800
Speaker 1: see me there and we'll do some player interviews. Maybe

1330
01:05:35,840 --> 01:05:38,240
Speaker 1: maybe we can grab a couple of players. But in

1331
01:05:38,280 --> 01:05:40,440
Speaker 1: the meantime you're going to New Welles. I am.

1332
01:05:40,600 --> 01:05:40,920
Speaker 2: Nice.

1333
01:05:41,040 --> 01:05:45,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, so we'll talk about that off camera, off Mike,

1334
01:05:46,000 --> 01:05:48,200
Speaker 1: just kidding. I'm gonna go get my hair cutter.

1335
01:05:48,480 --> 01:05:51,320
Speaker 2: We were pretty good one.

1336
01:05:51,360 --> 01:05:53,320
Speaker 1: We looked at our schedule for today and thought we

1337
01:05:53,440 --> 01:05:55,640
Speaker 1: got a lot to talk about. But anyway, guys, Ipe

1338
01:05:55,640 --> 01:05:58,400
Speaker 1: you enjoyed it for today. You'll hear from us again

1339
01:05:58,480 --> 01:06:01,040
Speaker 1: next week. Appreciate you. I cry

1340
01:06:24,560 --> 01:06:24,600
Speaker 2: F