Speaker 1: Welcome to Checking In with Michelle Williams, a production of
Speaker 1: iHeartRadio and The Black Effect. All Right, now, y'all listen.
Speaker 1: Ain't no judgment on this here episode. You hear me.
Speaker 1: I am tackling a topic that I've been kind of
Speaker 1: afraid to talk about because all right, it's my upbringing, Okay,
Speaker 1: And isn't it amazing that even stuff from my upbringing
Speaker 1: still affects me today. And I'll be forty four in July.
Speaker 1: It's like, come on, I'm grown, right, But this is
Speaker 1: a topic that I'm excited to talk about. And we're
Speaker 1: going to talk about cannabis, y'all. Yes, we're going to
Speaker 1: talk about weed.
Speaker 2: All right.
Speaker 1: I'm excited because we have a medical cannabis expert that
Speaker 1: is going to share. There is no agenda today. I'm
Speaker 1: kind of curious because she's also an emergency medicine physician,
Speaker 1: like she works in a medical hospital, but she is
Speaker 1: also tackling the area of marijuana and kind of breaking
Speaker 1: the stigma as it relates to this plant from the earth.
Speaker 1: All Right, are y'all curious? Just as curious as I am,
Speaker 1: because listen, on my mental health journey, I was introduced
Speaker 1: to CBD oil in twenty nineteen and it has changed
Speaker 1: my life. So I've been telling everybody about it, not
Speaker 1: only for depression and anxiety, but for me personally. I
Speaker 1: even felt inflammation leave my body. So I can't wait
Speaker 1: for doctor sophiel In. She's coming up next on checking
Speaker 1: it y'all. It is an amazing day today. No it
Speaker 1: is not for twenty, but I do have someone on
Speaker 1: here who it's well, maybe it's four twenty for her
Speaker 1: clients every day. All right, Thank y'all so much for
Speaker 1: checking in. This is gonna be an episode that I
Speaker 1: rarely talk about. I rarely discuss, but I think it's
Speaker 1: so important to talk about this. Our next guest is
Speaker 1: a medical cannabis expert Okay, she's on a mission to
Speaker 1: educate the public about the benefits of marijuana. She's also
Speaker 1: a practicing emergency medicine physician, which is why I'd definitely
Speaker 1: trust her in this topic. Please welcome all the way
Speaker 1: from Miami.
Speaker 2: Doctor Sophia Lyn, thank you, and it's my pleasure and
Speaker 2: honor to be here. Michelle, thank you so much for
Speaker 2: sharing your platform. Checking in with Michelle and Black of
Speaker 2: PAX Network. Happy to share my knowledge, my experience and
Speaker 2: my fumbles. This has all been a journey, you know,
Speaker 2: and we're all learning in the process. So hopefully my
Speaker 2: experience can be learned with the audience and they can
Speaker 2: ask questions, we can get into it. I'm an open book.
Speaker 1: Absolutely absolutely. I have a cousin who is an emergency
Speaker 1: medicine physician as well in the Illinois area, but he
Speaker 1: works at a Wisconsin area hospital and his father is
Speaker 1: a family practice position, and so they're both of them.
Speaker 1: They're doctor Charles Washington, and if they're listening, just shout
Speaker 1: out to you guys. And doctor Chris Pullan's in Arizona.
Speaker 1: He is a family practice physician at mail Nice.
Speaker 2: I love it, but it's a small community of African
Speaker 2: American physicians, so we definitely hold a different level of
Speaker 2: stress and priority. And it is always great to meet
Speaker 2: others in different areas and to be able to refer
Speaker 2: clients and patients and family to them specifically. So I'm
Speaker 2: happy you were able to love their specialties and availability
Speaker 2: in other areas because it's good to have a little
Speaker 2: network of us.
Speaker 1: It is so good and it is so more hilarious
Speaker 1: at family dinners, you know, I would hear certain initials
Speaker 1: at the table, like what is a ABC?
Speaker 2: What is a HY?
Speaker 1: My mother text me something the other day and I
Speaker 1: don't think she realized it as a registered nurse. She
Speaker 1: typed something to me in medical terminology, yes, And I
Speaker 1: was like, you do know you're talking to your daughter
Speaker 1: and so it had something to do with I don't
Speaker 1: know anything, but it was just like too a S
Speaker 1: so oh oh no US for ultrasound And I took
Speaker 1: medical terminology, so I knew what she was talking about.
Speaker 1: But I was cracking up, like she really she thinks
Speaker 1: she's doing dictation or something.
Speaker 2: You know what. Sometimes your rape brain and your left brain,
Speaker 2: you know, don't connect and you're like still in the
Speaker 2: work mode and narrowed in and everybody gets the heat
Speaker 2: across the board. You just you just kind of revert
Speaker 2: back and forth. So at least you already in girls,
Speaker 2: you already had the background, so you were able to
Speaker 2: yes yes.
Speaker 1: Which makes me be a bootleg doctor. Now I diagnose
Speaker 1: everybody thereby right sometimes exactly there you go, y'all, let's
Speaker 1: get into it. Doctor Lynn. You are in Miami, right.
Speaker 1: I am just so excited about the feel that you
Speaker 1: are in. So tell me about So you know, there's
Speaker 1: a stigma in mental health right right, but we're having
Speaker 1: more and more conversation about mental health, so it's becoming
Speaker 1: less of a topic where people are ashamed to talk about.
Speaker 1: And you are trailblazing in the area of cannabis and
Speaker 1: trying to break down the stigma. I know your journey
Speaker 1: because we had to research you. So can you give
Speaker 1: our listeners a tinch about you know, how you're doing
Speaker 1: both because you're still practicing emergency medicine physician.
Speaker 2: Correct, Actually, just yep, exactly, Thank you so much. Yes,
Speaker 2: a journey it has been. I'll just tell you briefly
Speaker 2: starting out, I'm from Jamaica, born in New York, raised
Speaker 2: in Jamaica, and my love and my understanding and appreciation
Speaker 2: for cannabis started culturally at home and through that, my
Speaker 2: family used cannabis as a tincture, as a solve, as
Speaker 2: a tea, in different delivery ways to treat certain amblements,
Speaker 2: whether you had a headache, a belly ache, a skin rash,
Speaker 2: you know, whatever it was. There were different ways to
Speaker 2: deliver cannabis and it wasn't traditionally in the smoking method.
Speaker 2: For those who did not participate in the smoking or
Speaker 2: Rastafarian culture. My uncle is it about Rastafarian and vegetarian,
Speaker 2: and you know he never partook in that aspect of
Speaker 2: the religion, but learning and understanding the medicinal benefits of
Speaker 2: it from early and seeing how it influenced our culture
Speaker 2: in such a positive, beautiful, spiritual way. I had a
Speaker 2: deeper appreciation for cannabis prior to even having the opportunity
Speaker 2: to prescribe and recommend cannabis in the United States. So
Speaker 2: that's my initial marriage with cannabis and medicine and understanding
Speaker 2: how it can impact your life. Now fast forward here
Speaker 2: we are graduated from a hairy medical college. Knew I
Speaker 2: wanted to do emergency medicine Nashville, Yes, from the Harry
Speaker 2: Yes long legacy of amazing physicians. I'm the first physician
Speaker 2: in my family, so this was all new in getting
Speaker 2: into medicine. No one ever really practiced medicine or had
Speaker 2: any background in medicine. I just knew it was something
Speaker 2: I wanted to do, so made my way to Tennessee,
Speaker 2: finally got out of there, thank god, and then ended
Speaker 2: up in New Jersey at more Sound Medical Center for
Speaker 2: Trauma and Emergency medicine training and after New Jersey, those
Speaker 2: three years were amazing. I moved to Florida. So many benefits,
Speaker 2: the weather, the taxes, different opportunities to build and to learn,
Speaker 2: and coming down to Florida during my early years in practicing,
Speaker 2: I realized that this is totally different beasts and regionally
Speaker 2: and city wise, and location breeds different dynamics and issues
Speaker 2: in medicine. For example, Miami being a heavily traveled state
Speaker 2: with visitors and international guests, we suffer from different issues
Speaker 2: as opposed to more remote suburban areas. So we have raves,
Speaker 2: we have concerts, we have large events. You know. The
Speaker 2: amount of trauma and different kind of concerns that you
Speaker 2: see in a metropolitan city were very different from practicing
Speaker 2: in New York New Jersey area. When I was down
Speaker 2: here in the er, I was seeing so many overdoses,
Speaker 2: so many kids. They would come down for spring break,
Speaker 2: they would come down for holiday weekend, and they would
Speaker 2: just go crazy with the indulgence, you know, and the
Speaker 2: overdoing of alcohol, of drugs, the availability of different things
Speaker 2: that they weren't accustomed to or could tolerate or handle.
Speaker 2: And it was during a very prevalent era of Malian
Speaker 2: designer drugs, bas salts, all those things that we were
Speaker 2: hearing about over the last couple of years, K two, spice, molly,
Speaker 2: different combination drugs that people were ingesting that we didn't
Speaker 2: know how to fix. We could only support them when
Speaker 2: they went into respiratory arrests, or when they went into
Speaker 2: heart attacks or ended up brain death and different things.
Speaker 2: All we could do was support them because we didn't
Speaker 2: know how to reverse it. There was no antidote for
Speaker 2: these designer drugs because they were combinations of whether it's benzos, opiates, narcotics.
Speaker 2: So when they overwhelmed your system and your organs, it
Speaker 2: was very hard for the medical community to be able
Speaker 2: to treat you and reverse it and get you back
Speaker 2: to baseline. So unfortunately, many people suffered long lasting injuries
Speaker 2: and sometimes even deaths that they couldn't come back from.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 2: So I was in the position of now being a
Speaker 2: new attending calling the parents, calling the family members, and saying,
Speaker 2: your twenty three year old just overdose down here in Miami,
Speaker 2: you know, explaining to them what happened, Explain to them
Speaker 2: why we're unable to get them back, Explain to them
Speaker 2: that they might have lost their child, different things like that,
Speaker 2: and it was starting to have an emotional tear on me.
Speaker 2: So I was tapping into how do I compartmentalize this
Speaker 2: in order to be able to be functional and exceptional
Speaker 2: in my position and continue to move on and work.
Speaker 2: But in addition to that, how do I tap in
Speaker 2: to my patients and understand what is the baseline for
Speaker 2: why you're doing this? Do you have addiction, do you
Speaker 2: have trauma? What is it that you're searching for that
Speaker 2: you're reaching for. So as I started to get deeper
Speaker 2: into that conversation with my patients, I was understanding a
Speaker 2: little bit better than the reason behind why they chose
Speaker 2: the path they chose. And in that understanding of addiction
Speaker 2: and different issues that they were managing, I needed to
Speaker 2: have alternatives. I needed to have other ways to help
Speaker 2: control and treat.
Speaker 1: So wait a minute, so you were you're a doctor
Speaker 1: that has actual compassion.
Speaker 2: Oh thank you, thank you, Because.
Speaker 1: Some people feel like, as a physician, if you've been
Speaker 1: trained to just not be emotional, you just got to
Speaker 1: deliver the bad news and it's onto the next patient,
Speaker 1: next patient room, ain't no time for compassion.
Speaker 2: Excellent question. You are not trained with empathy, and you're
Speaker 2: not trained with love and compassion, and that's something that
Speaker 2: most physicians tuck away and compartmentalized in order to be
Speaker 2: efficient in their work and to move from room two
Speaker 2: to room seven to room nine, from the ankle sprains
Speaker 2: to the colds, to the heart attacks to the strokes,
Speaker 2: you know, because one thing about the er is it
Speaker 2: doesn't stop for your bad day. It continues to go
Speaker 2: and you're expected to continue to work at the same
Speaker 2: level and capacity regardless if you just lost the patient
Speaker 2: five minutes ago. You know, the next patient still wants
Speaker 2: to get diagnosed and get out. So that emotional aspect
Speaker 2: of it and how to manage and deal with that
Speaker 2: was something that either developed through your experience, through watching
Speaker 2: other physicians who were more senior in their activity, or
Speaker 2: through therapy, and also your personal development and journey. So
Speaker 2: my early practice years and my training from a hairy
Speaker 2: medical college is what help me build empathy, and that
Speaker 2: I cannot say is universal in medicine in general, and
Speaker 2: it has a lot to do with you know, your
Speaker 2: seniors and how you watch and experience their engagement and
Speaker 2: interaction with patients. And one thing that's special about HBCUs is.
Speaker 2: We have a lot of love. We have a lot
Speaker 2: of love for our entire community. And patients will let
Speaker 2: you do anything. They'll let you, you know, practice, they'll
Speaker 2: let you train, they'll give you opportunities to learn their deepest,
Speaker 2: darkest inner secrets. As long as you open that pathway
Speaker 2: and you make a patient feel comfortable and you build
Speaker 2: that trust. So, especially.
Speaker 1: Anesthesia, go ahead, I trust you. I trust you, Lynn
Speaker 1: at Scalf Please now, yes, you're absolutely true.
Speaker 2: You're like, wait, hold on a secon. I didn't explain
Speaker 2: the whole process. Back up, here's a consent, you know.
Speaker 2: But yeah, you build a level of trust with patients
Speaker 2: that makes them feel as if your word and your
Speaker 2: advice is holy grails. So I always teach my students
Speaker 2: now that I am teaching I know the medical school,
Speaker 2: to the first and second year students, when I talk
Speaker 2: about my experience, especially in the er and especially at Harry,
Speaker 2: your trust is key in integral to building an honest
Speaker 2: patient relationship. And I use that same principle and apply
Speaker 2: it to my cannabis medicine as well too. But once
Speaker 2: I got into the depths of why patients were doing
Speaker 2: what they're doing, and then in twenty sixteen, Florida became
Speaker 2: a medical cannabis state, which means that patients had access
Speaker 2: to medical dispensaries to be able to gain access to
Speaker 2: cannabis for specific medical problems. Some of those include hiva, cancers, glaucoma,
Speaker 2: epilepc als, multiple scrosis, chronic pain, intractable knowledge, and vomiting.
Speaker 2: So there are fourteen specific disease processes that were approved
Speaker 2: for medical cannabis in the state of Florida, and within
Speaker 2: those processes there's a little bit of variation for physicians
Speaker 2: to say, Okay, this is a similar to these, to
Speaker 2: this group and category, you can be a candidate for
Speaker 2: medical cannabis. So once I went through that training and
Speaker 2: became a legal prescriber for the state of Florida, my
Speaker 2: passion grew at a different level because now I am
Speaker 2: I not only able to tap in as to why
Speaker 2: you're doing it, but I'm able to actually offer you
Speaker 2: complementary and alternative ways to manage your health. So you
Speaker 2: don't have to feel like your first choice from treatment
Speaker 2: has to be a pill, has to be Western medicine,
Speaker 2: but you can start thinking about complementary medicine and plant
Speaker 2: based medicine as ways to manage your ailments that qualify
Speaker 2: for So yeah, that's how we got here.
Speaker 1: You've said so many things that okay, I got Okay,
Speaker 1: I gotta remember, she said, so I can ask a
Speaker 1: question about this. This conversation is so layered, pivoting back
Speaker 1: to what you were just saying about alternatives to pills
Speaker 1: and western medicine. I wanted to tell you my psychiatrists
Speaker 1: here in Georgia. We were talking about medicine for any
Speaker 1: depressants and anxiety. Yeah, and at that time I had
Speaker 1: heard so many great benefits of things like CBD oil,
Speaker 1: and I just took a risk in asking her, which,
Speaker 1: by the way, I know CBD oil is not medical
Speaker 1: prescribed marijuana, so let's I just want the listeners to
Speaker 1: I'm making the distinction. But I asked her. I said, hey,
Speaker 1: a therapist that I know mentioned you know about, you know,
Speaker 1: great benefits of CBD. Well, she said, oh, yes, she said,
Speaker 1: I have many patients who loves CBD. She went in
Speaker 1: her drawer and gave me a business card of a
Speaker 1: natural food market to go to and the consultant to
Speaker 1: ask for when I got there, and it made me
Speaker 1: trust her so much more about things because she wasn't
Speaker 1: so quick to be like, no, you can only take
Speaker 1: this prescribed medication.
Speaker 2: I love that story and stories like that because it
Speaker 2: shows that your physician is forward thinking to the point
Speaker 2: that if they don't have the answers and they don't
Speaker 2: have the knowledge of how to recommend CBD, they've at
Speaker 2: least invested the time to make sure they have a
Speaker 2: resource for their patients. Right, because Hey, if I don't
Speaker 2: know it, and I don't know everything, I'm the first
Speaker 2: one to say that's not my specialty, But let me
Speaker 2: hook you up with someone who does. Right. We have
Speaker 2: a network, and that's why we do that, so that
Speaker 2: we can refer out to others who are more well
Speaker 2: versed and experienced in that aspect of medicine that can
Speaker 2: compliment what you're doing to make your patient whole, because
Speaker 2: that's the ultimate goal, right. We just want to make
Speaker 2: sure we appeal to every question, every inquiry, every thought
Speaker 2: process that our patient has. Because the minute I say, girl,
Speaker 2: that ain't for you, that's that's not the move, and
Speaker 2: I deter you from something that you're keenly interested in,
Speaker 2: I'm going to lose my connection with you. Right Because
Speaker 2: you're going to feel like you're going to feel like
Speaker 2: why am I? Why am I even you know, bringing
Speaker 2: up these fears, these these moments of trust, these inquiries
Speaker 2: to a physician who's blocking me and not even taking
Speaker 2: the time to investigate why I'm why I'm considering using it.
Speaker 2: So as my teaching with physicians goes, I tell them, hey,
Speaker 2: everyone doesn't need to prescribe to you, so your CBD,
Speaker 2: but what you do need to have is a resource
Speaker 2: and language and options for your patients to be able
Speaker 2: to tap into to understand a little bit more. Even
Speaker 2: if you don't know, at least refer them to somebody
Speaker 2: who does. So. Having pamphlets, having cards, you know, websites
Speaker 2: like social media has been amazing for me in terms
Speaker 2: of gaining new clients and patients because I don't advertise,
Speaker 2: you know, I don't have to. Like people end up
Speaker 2: seeking me and it's always by referral or hey I
Speaker 2: found you online or something like that, which is good
Speaker 2: because I know by the time you get to me,
Speaker 2: you're so interested in you're just dying and starving for knowledge.
Speaker 2: You really just want to learn, you want to see.
Speaker 2: Is this even a part of something that I can
Speaker 2: include in my daily regiment. And CBD is amazing because
Speaker 2: I treat it like your daily vitamin. And that's how
Speaker 2: I have patients look at CBD as your daily vitamin
Speaker 2: versus THHD as like a tail and all or motrin,
Speaker 2: so that way you can understand how to incorporate it
Speaker 2: into your lifestyle. We move Florida, girl, but you know,
Speaker 2: you know, you know is a low THHD medical state.
Speaker 2: As of April twenty ninth, trulya and Botanical Sciences open
Speaker 2: the first five dispensaries in the state of Georgia. They
Speaker 2: have locations in Marietta, Macon, and Pool, Georgia, and they
Speaker 2: just opened about two weeks ago. And I'm actually a
Speaker 2: prescriber in the state and they do virtual cannabis interviews
Speaker 2: for patients, so I've been able to help patients in
Speaker 2: the state of Georgia as well get qualified. And that's
Speaker 2: exactly how most medical vertically integrated cannabis programs grow. They
Speaker 2: start with low THHD oil, meaning that THHD that has
Speaker 2: less than one percent of THHD in the component of
Speaker 2: the oil, and they grow from that into faith, into tinctures,
Speaker 2: into edibles, eventually into flower. The program grows over time
Speaker 2: as it becomes more diverse and accessible in the state
Speaker 2: and it builds more patients.
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Speaker 1: What's the song out like a light for me? I'll
Speaker 1: say that because we don't know why two ibuprofens knocked
Speaker 1: me out. My mom's like, it doesn't even have like
Speaker 1: a sleeping agent in it.
Speaker 2: It knocks me out.
Speaker 1: So imagine thhc.
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Speaker 1: I don't know all the but listen so and I
Speaker 1: want to tell you, like, I don't know if you
Speaker 1: get this ax a lot. But I grew up in church,
Speaker 1: like strict, strict, strict church, and it warmed my heart
Speaker 1: to hear you say. In Jamaica this was used. It
Speaker 1: was as a t if you had a belly ache
Speaker 1: like this wasn't And this is not judging parts of
Speaker 1: jay board people like I even had to stress out
Speaker 1: damn Finn light me one right, But people of faith
Speaker 1: might judge the marijuana usage, not knowing no, people actually
Speaker 1: use this for medicinal purposes. People actually use as like
Speaker 1: you said, as a saff for maybe an injury or something.
Speaker 1: Can you speak to that place.
Speaker 2: Absolutely. So what we have to always honor is the
Speaker 2: religion and spirituality of cannabis, So before we even get
Speaker 2: into medical and eventually recreational use, Like the purpose and
Speaker 2: the foundation of cannabis was through religion, and in that
Speaker 2: religion became noted for its medicinal purposes. So understanding the
Speaker 2: spirituality of it and how it has impacted a culture
Speaker 2: and a race and a group that has led and
Speaker 2: evolved into Okay, now I'm understanding I was actually super
Speaker 2: stressed out when I decided to take that hit or
Speaker 2: take that put right. So when you backtrack in your
Speaker 2: mind and we talk about delayed trauma a lot, especially
Speaker 2: in my youth, who don't even think about why they're
Speaker 2: doing certain stuff, but know that their go to for
Speaker 2: stress management or their go to for PTSD or trauma
Speaker 2: or depression is to use cannabis in a flower form
Speaker 2: or to hit the vase or something like that. They're
Speaker 2: disconnecting the purpose behind why they're doing because they've never
Speaker 2: been formally diagnosed with the medical condition. So when I
Speaker 2: talk to my kids a lot, especially like my teens
Speaker 2: and my young adults, and I'm like, well, what makes
Speaker 2: you reach for a joint? What makes you roll up?
Speaker 2: And They're like, you know what, I just had a
Speaker 2: long day. I'm just tired of the bs, Like the
Speaker 2: world's on my back, you know, right, stressed out as
Speaker 2: we all have at some point, their anxieties at a high,
Speaker 2: all of those things. And I'm like, oh, you know
Speaker 2: you're dealing with PTSD, right, you know, like there's a
Speaker 2: formal diagnosis for this, there's an actual meta local condition
Speaker 2: and diagnosis for this. So helping them to make that
Speaker 2: connection with the trauma that seems so normal in their
Speaker 2: lives and normalized because it's surrounding them and that's how
Speaker 2: they grew up, and helping them to understand, No, it's
Speaker 2: not everybody's day to day to watch your cousin get
Speaker 2: killed right next to you and keep going and pushing
Speaker 2: twelve years old. No, it's not normal to watch your
Speaker 2: mom and dad fright and get into physical altercations every
Speaker 2: day and the impact that has on your relationship with
Speaker 2: men later on. No, it's not normal to have to
Speaker 2: go through chemical and physical abortions on a consistent basis
Speaker 2: because you're not using birth control. Like, that's a lot
Speaker 2: of trauma that you're dealing with, right And when you
Speaker 2: unpack that with people and help them to understand the
Speaker 2: foundation of that, it makes so much more sense as
Speaker 2: to why they're choosing to medicate how they're choosing, whether
Speaker 2: it's access, whether it is what they've seen their parents
Speaker 2: or other people do, whether it's a distrust in the
Speaker 2: community with black physicians or physicians in general because of
Speaker 2: the relationship and engagement and interaction that they've had with
Speaker 2: other physicians previously, whatever that issue is helping them to
Speaker 2: get to the reason and bottom line for why they're
Speaker 2: using They all have a medical diagnosis, it just hasn't
Speaker 2: been formally diagnosed. So I help patients to really see
Speaker 2: that and kind of go through that emotional unpacking, And
Speaker 2: that helps helped a lot because it's much easier to
Speaker 2: show someone than to tell someone. If I walk up
Speaker 2: to you and be like, girl, you're just depressed. You
Speaker 2: know that comes off very like ooh me, Like nah,
Speaker 2: it ain't me. It makes you feel stigmatized, It makes
Speaker 2: you feel weak, it makes you feel unseen, you know,
Speaker 2: and when you label people with those things, it's hard
Speaker 2: for them to accept and embrace and to move through
Speaker 2: in a way that you would like them to use
Speaker 2: therapy for their treatment. So it's just really how you
Speaker 2: talk to people. It's language, it's communication. And I can't
Speaker 2: emphasize enough the importance of the trust that. I'm glad
Speaker 2: that you have that with your therapist in Georgia because
Speaker 2: that's key to allowing you to be your greatest self.
Speaker 1: Thank you, thank you for sharing that, because I was
Speaker 1: wondering how you all determined and you were just saying
Speaker 1: a little bit. Because remember there was a time where
Speaker 1: anybody could get a medical card. Yes, it doesn't necessarily
Speaker 1: equate to me just being able to go get a
Speaker 1: medical license and practice medicine, but as a real practicing physician, yeah,
Speaker 1: how do you differentiate I have anxiety? How do you
Speaker 1: believe someone when they, oh, I have I failed down
Speaker 1: and broke my ankle and it still swells up from
Speaker 1: time to time. I need marijuana.
Speaker 2: Absolutely. So there are things like chronic pain and chronic
Speaker 2: and terminal disease processes and insomnia and anxiety and stress
Speaker 2: and all of those things that fit under the categories
Speaker 2: for being approved for medical cannabis. And in determining that,
Speaker 2: you look at the chronicity of the issue, the impact
Speaker 2: that it's had on their daily life. Are they still
Speaker 2: able to be functional, are they still able to enjoy life?
Speaker 2: And the things that you do. Do you require proof
Speaker 2: In the state of Florida, they do want to see
Speaker 2: prior medical records that show your diagnosis. And for a
Speaker 2: lot of people who don't have that, it's just helping
Speaker 2: them understand, well, do you realize you were bribed clonazepan
Speaker 2: for the last twenty years, Like if you understand what's
Speaker 2: that for? You know, understanding the reason behind some of
Speaker 2: the diagnoses that they have that they might not have embraced,
Speaker 2: you know, all this time, and helping them tap into that.
Speaker 2: But in Georgia and every state is a little different.
Speaker 2: Every state has their own program, whether it's medical or recreational.
Speaker 2: In Georgia, you do not need medical documentation, nor do
Speaker 2: you need an in person patient interview, as opposed to
Speaker 2: the State of Florida. So everyone has their different nuances
Speaker 2: and just as long as you're falling within state requirements
Speaker 2: and accordance and you have an established relationship with your physician,
Speaker 2: and your physician is committing to continuing to care for
Speaker 2: you for the next two years, which is the length
Speaker 2: in the term of the medical cannabis card in Georgia.
Speaker 2: Then you're fine. You're good. It's not for me to
Speaker 2: prove your issue. That's not my goal, not to validate
Speaker 2: your issue. My goal is to correctively guide you in
Speaker 2: the recommendation process. Because it is an art to it.
Speaker 2: I can't tell Michelle and Lindsay and everyone else it's
Speaker 2: two puffs every six hours, use as needed for stress management.
Speaker 2: It is not a regimented recommendation. It is definitely an
Speaker 2: art that's designed per person, depending on the end goal
Speaker 2: for each person. Right, So I got to customize what
Speaker 2: we're doing in accordance to your lifestyle, in accordance to
Speaker 2: how is the best form for you to medicate. Before
Speaker 2: we got on air, one of our participants was saying
Speaker 2: that she had a tumor in her lungs. Having a
Speaker 2: tumor in your lungs, it is not the best choice
Speaker 2: for you to use flour or bait because those are irritants,
Speaker 2: mochial irritants that can magnify the discomfort of the tumor,
Speaker 2: and you don't want to do anything that is going
Speaker 2: to have a negative impact or side effects that is
Speaker 2: going to turn you off of the process. So some
Speaker 2: of the things to think about are other delivery methods
Speaker 2: like microdos and edibles, like using tinctures, like using topicals
Speaker 2: to help with muscle spasm and different areas of pain
Speaker 2: and discomfort. So when you consider how to customize a
Speaker 2: medical cannabis recommendation for a person, you have to look
Speaker 2: at the entire person. You know, you have to be.
Speaker 1: Wofinite that would definitely be a be a client, a
Speaker 1: patient of yours. I was taken aback a relative of mine.
Speaker 1: I just certain topics. I love integrating personal stories or knowledge.
Speaker 1: And they had a horrendous accident and ended up with
Speaker 1: some nerve pain or damage due to an injury. And
Speaker 1: they were prescribed your traditional.
Speaker 2: Like pain narcotics, and they had me cracking up.
Speaker 1: They were like, since I was seeing like spiders jump
Speaker 1: off my wall and I don't have spiders. And they
Speaker 1: work in ministry, and so it was time for them
Speaker 1: to be drug tested, and they were saying how certain
Speaker 1: oils that were THHC hit their nerve pain in a
Speaker 1: way that even the metal the prescribed pill did not.
Speaker 1: And I think they were like put on some type
Speaker 1: of not probation on their job because of the TC.
Speaker 1: And I just felt so bad, Like so, if the
Speaker 1: prescription pill turned up in your system, you probably wouldn't
Speaker 1: have been put on probation, but with THC, I was
Speaker 1: just like, I felt like we were a little backwards.
Speaker 2: It's ass backwards. Absolutely. THHC is comes from a plant
Speaker 2: that's grown in the ground as opposed to a pill
Speaker 2: that's manufactured and you know, a company that is a
Speaker 2: composite of many synthetics to create an effect for the patient.
Speaker 2: So because of the schedule of THFC, it's considered a
Speaker 2: Schedule one narcotic, which is deemed pharmologically as having no
Speaker 2: medicinal benefits Schedule one drugs. Therefore, it is not allowed
Speaker 2: to be used in a medical fashion on a federal level.
Speaker 2: And that's why so many people have had backlash from
Speaker 2: being tested positive for THHD because if you look at
Speaker 2: drug probation handbooks for many corporations, cannabis is still including
Speaker 2: now some of the companies that have made groundbreaking decisions
Speaker 2: like Amazon, like Apple, different companies that have intentionally decided
Speaker 2: to not test for THHD in their drug recently the NBA,
Speaker 2: the NFL. There are different chips and bargaining agreements that
Speaker 2: the players have made collective agreements with the organizations to
Speaker 2: not test for THHD during season or during certain time
Speaker 2: periods and certain amounts of levels of THHD in your
Speaker 2: blood and then your urine testing because they know that
Speaker 2: such a great majority of players are using it and
Speaker 2: it's been helpful in a way that traditional medicine hasn't
Speaker 2: been able to manage them and treat them and improve
Speaker 2: their quality of life. That they had to come to
Speaker 2: some kind of negotiation. Even though federally uniformly it's still
Speaker 2: Schedule one per state, they are programs that make it
Speaker 2: legal for your patients and your players to be able
Speaker 2: to use. So why are we not adopting our new
Speaker 2: culture and standards to be more inclusive of something that
Speaker 2: is nationally recognized and discussed and talked about and has
Speaker 2: seen improvement in people for you know. So it takes
Speaker 2: that change and that shift and the destigmitation of THHD
Speaker 2: in cannabis in order for people to catch on, because
Speaker 2: if you don't, you're going to be a hide in
Speaker 2: the wave. You know, you're going to lose great people unnecessarily,
Speaker 2: so it just really doesn't make sense. But still a
Speaker 2: lot of people are adapting this new wave of thinking
Speaker 2: and understanding the scientific benefits behind it is what solidifies
Speaker 2: its placed in the medical community, which makes companies and
Speaker 2: organizations more inclusive of it. So we just got some
Speaker 2: work to do. We got some work to do on
Speaker 2: the federal ltical, on the you know, on the scientific side,
Speaker 2: and descheduling you know, cannabis school allow us to make
Speaker 2: leaps and balance in terms of our research and evidence
Speaker 2: based medicine.
Speaker 1: I was going to ask a question about paranoia and
Speaker 1: anxiety as it relates to taking cannabis, and okay, y'all,
Speaker 1: so I gotta tell you all the story now. It
Speaker 1: may be different now because if I'm intentionally I probably
Speaker 1: wouldn't be paranoid if I'm going to take something for anxiety.
Speaker 1: Just to all right, I don't Klanizapan was definitely prescribing.
Speaker 1: I had actual children's dose of that where dissolved under
Speaker 1: my tongue.
Speaker 2: You're so sensitive, yeah, very.
Speaker 1: Sensitive, y'all. Please believe me when I tell y'all sensitive.
Speaker 1: No judgment on anybody that participates. I love to see
Speaker 1: you when I love to see you literally sore.
Speaker 2: That's right, so listen.
Speaker 1: So y'all, this was in like two thousand and four,
Speaker 1: two thousand and five, my birthday party, and there were
Speaker 1: some brownies passed around. Yes, doctor Lynn Lassiter, those brownies plural,
Speaker 1: We're so good. They tasted like cake. I tasted the butter.
Speaker 1: It didn't taste like heart fudge. I loved my brownies
Speaker 1: to taste like cake. I feel like these were baked
Speaker 1: for me.
Speaker 2: They were intentional.
Speaker 1: Now what was horrible is no one told anybody that
Speaker 1: there's marijuana and these brownies, so I didn't know. You're
Speaker 1: not even supposed to eat a whole one. You're supposed
Speaker 1: to eat like a sliver, a corner, a little chunky
Speaker 1: chunk on you.
Speaker 2: I had two, and you probably have them back to back,
Speaker 2: like girl, give me another one.
Speaker 1: I was high from maybe I know it was forty
Speaker 1: eight hours that stuff was still running through my vanks.
Speaker 2: Yes, definitely, I was.
Speaker 1: Like someone said, I was walking around my room just praying.
Speaker 1: I said, well, at least I knew who.
Speaker 2: To call on, like the one and only.
Speaker 1: When you are high or drunk. What's in you is
Speaker 1: what's gonna come out. So I was faithful that I
Speaker 1: knew who's name the call, and I was, oh, I
Speaker 1: was so parannoying, And people are like, well, just drink milk,
Speaker 1: go to the steamroom, go to the tie, drink orange juice.
Speaker 1: All I could do. I said, I'll see y'all in
Speaker 1: eighty two hours.
Speaker 2: I'm going to bed exactly.
Speaker 1: So that is my hilarious story. But there is a
Speaker 1: term or why people should not eat it, like all
Speaker 1: of one bite. What's the term for it? It comes
Speaker 1: in waves or something.
Speaker 2: We were talking about microdosing and the importance of taking
Speaker 2: small amounts of THHD so that you build slowly and safely,
Speaker 2: because if you go too fast, too quick, you'll have
Speaker 2: adverse effect, like how you experience with the paranoia. Right,
Speaker 2: with the paranoia, the palpitations, the sweating of the diphrasis,
Speaker 2: the enlarged pupils, the you know, the nause of the vomiting,
Speaker 2: all of those things can have adverse effects and make
Speaker 2: you feel ten times worse. Now, what you did was
Speaker 2: consume a large amount and a person who is technically
Speaker 2: THHD naive, right, so you didn't have any experience or
Speaker 2: any guidance or any basis of THHD use. So you
Speaker 2: didn't know how your body was going to react. You
Speaker 2: didn't even know that's what you were actually doing. So
Speaker 2: you consumed a large amount in a very short amount
Speaker 2: of time that was quickly metabolized in your system. And
Speaker 2: you probably had just assuming a combination of alcohol and
Speaker 2: a little bit of food in your system and other
Speaker 2: things that magnified the experience. Right.
Speaker 1: I felt like I was on a roller coaster that
Speaker 1: only had loops going upside down girl, the floor, the
Speaker 1: starting to look like the ceiling. Oh oh, it.
Speaker 2: Was bad, worst feeling ever. And I always tell patients like,
Speaker 2: keep a bottle of CBD with you, Pure's extract CBD
Speaker 2: because CBD is an antidote for for THHD. It'll help
Speaker 2: decrease your symptoms. So I always tell them if you
Speaker 2: start to feel that way, or if you start to
Speaker 2: feel any negative side effects, take a tea spoon CBD,
Speaker 2: you know, so that way you can start to counter
Speaker 2: some of that. But the way you avoid getting to
Speaker 2: that space is knowing that you got to start low
Speaker 2: and go slow, and everything influences what medications you're taking. Yeah,
Speaker 2: what food and beverages you're having at that time, are
Speaker 2: you mixing alcohol, what environments are you in? Have you eaten?
Speaker 2: You know at all? All of those things influence how
Speaker 2: your body is going to respond to THHD and doing
Speaker 2: too much too fast. It's absolutely going to leave you
Speaker 2: on a bad, negative trip and you're going to be
Speaker 2: deterred from ever trying it again. So that's where I
Speaker 2: really cautioned my patience to take your time.
Speaker 1: Now, what do you say? Because I thought there was
Speaker 1: something there was someone was like, it's been fifteen minutes.
Speaker 1: I ain't failed nothing yet.
Speaker 2: Oh that's the worst thing you could do. That's the
Speaker 2: worst thing you could do. Especially I think we're talking
Speaker 2: specifically about edibles. You know, edibles is the one that
Speaker 2: has that delayed onset of action.
Speaker 1: That's where we were going delayed on set. Okay, that's
Speaker 1: where I was. That's where I was trying to I
Speaker 1: was trying to remember what it was, so I was
Speaker 1: waiting on you to say.
Speaker 2: It, girl, it's metabolized through your gut. So remember if
Speaker 2: I just had a huge staking baked potato meal or
Speaker 2: some curry chicken like whatever it is that you just ate.
Speaker 2: If you're on a full stomach, your processing time for
Speaker 2: ingestion is much longer than it is taking it on
Speaker 2: an empty stomach, you know, So it's important to understand how, when, why,
Speaker 2: and everything else that's going on around you in terms
Speaker 2: of how your body will metabolize. Because it's processing through
Speaker 2: the gut, there are delayed on sets of action and
Speaker 2: everyone hits a little bit different depending on your chronicity
Speaker 2: and experience. So if you've been using for a longer
Speaker 2: amount of time, you already have a reserve of cannabinoids
Speaker 2: in your system, so your response might require a higher
Speaker 2: dosing As opposed to a naive patient who doesn't use
Speaker 2: on a consistent basis and or has never used, your
Speaker 2: response might be much greater with much lower doing right.
Speaker 1: Yeah, please be responsible. Please be also, do not have
Speaker 1: an event where you are passing around food and you
Speaker 1: don't tell nobody because I missed the.
Speaker 2: Memo, like's not safe. That is not safe at all.
Speaker 2: You have to label your products. You have to make
Speaker 2: sure patients are aware because you don't know what other
Speaker 2: people are doing outside of your party, right, and.
Speaker 1: It could have been laced. So then that's the other
Speaker 1: thing you know you've seen, Like you said so many
Speaker 1: overdoses and so many things. Amazing years of practice, you know,
Speaker 1: And so thank you for being a responsible person that
Speaker 1: is prescribing them and then telling us how we can
Speaker 1: be safe. And there probably has to be a part
Speaker 1: two apart three for this because I didn't want to
Speaker 1: get into there's so much stuff to get into science, statistics, facts,
Speaker 1: CBD versus see there's down there cb G del Hones, y'all,
Speaker 1: there is a lot, so please study, you know. I
Speaker 1: love seeing where people are saying that, even at you know,
Speaker 1: coming from a strict background that was kind of in
Speaker 1: strict religious background, which was more so in tradition, not
Speaker 1: because it was even necessarily biblical world anything God said.
Speaker 1: I just when people say alternative medicine has helped them
Speaker 1: with inflammation, or they're able to tolerate cancer treatment, whatever
Speaker 1: eases a person's pain and makes them and makes them
Speaker 1: comfort to go through it already tough journey, you know,
Speaker 1: And so thank you for being a part of this movement. Now,
Speaker 1: last question for you. You've been absolutely amazing. It's been flowing
Speaker 1: like a conversation, like I haven't had to ask you
Speaker 1: a lot of questions because you've been answering the questions
Speaker 1: with in just you sharing. So thank you so much
Speaker 1: for that. Think what are some areas that you feel
Speaker 1: people don't recognize cannabis as a therapeutic product besides say
Speaker 1: like cancer, glackoma, an anxiety.
Speaker 2: So you have your big five, you have your most
Speaker 2: common traditions and ailments that we have seen THHD appreciated.
Speaker 2: And for example, everybody goes back to the movie Friday
Speaker 2: that glaucoma, that THHD has been useful for my glaucoma.
Speaker 2: A lot of people with intraocular increase pressure like glacoma
Speaker 2: can benefit from THHD as well. So that was one
Speaker 2: of the first areas for the connection between medical and
Speaker 2: THHD appreciation in the black community, because we were seeing
Speaker 2: that in film early two thousands. Right here we are
Speaker 2: fast forward. We are now seeing appreciated in other film aspects,
Speaker 2: for example The Best Man, where the wife was dealing
Speaker 2: with her cancer treatment and she was using flower to
Speaker 2: help with her nausea, to help with her pain. The
Speaker 2: open dialogue and discussion and appreciation for cannabis has now
Speaker 2: integrated into mainstream in a way that it has opened
Speaker 2: up conversation for so many families, especially for parents to
Speaker 2: be able to talk to their children about because you're
Speaker 2: seeing it on the big screen. You can't avoid the
Speaker 2: conversation anymore, right, you can no longer use the Nancy Reagan.
Speaker 1: We've been seeing it in music talked about. We have
Speaker 1: been seeing it, you know, like you said, on the
Speaker 1: big screen.
Speaker 2: We've been seeing it so prevalent that it almost becomes
Speaker 2: normalized for kids. So helping them to understand that distinction, like, yeah,
Speaker 2: there's still legal ramifications for your use because it's a
Speaker 2: federally illegal substance. So helping people to understand that aspect
Speaker 2: of it, because you see so many people in the videos,
Speaker 2: in the movies just smoking and partaking as if it
Speaker 2: is a quote unquote cigarette, right, So you're seeing the
Speaker 2: likeness and the accessibility and the use of it being
Speaker 2: plastered everywhere. But you have to always keep in mind
Speaker 2: that there's legal ramifications. There are corporations that if you
Speaker 2: want to end up doing firefighter, if you want to
Speaker 2: end upplying for a paramedic position or to become a position,
Speaker 2: there are steps in the process that require you to
Speaker 2: have drug testing, and if you do come up positive
Speaker 2: for that, there is the possibility that you can lose
Speaker 2: that opportunity because they don't accept or appreciate cannabis for
Speaker 2: its medicinal aspect yet, and it is considered illegal and
Speaker 2: it's a part of their drug policy that if you
Speaker 2: violate their policy you could lose access to be able
Speaker 2: to work there. So we can never negate that.
Speaker 1: Can never negate it. And like you said, we're having
Speaker 1: this free conversation, and like she said, please look at
Speaker 1: your employer's policy. Nay, John, They told us on checking
Speaker 1: in we could smoke.
Speaker 2: Hooding right exactly.
Speaker 1: So and last question about brain health and cannabis is
Speaker 1: that a myth that, Okay, you lose brain cells in
Speaker 1: just marijuana.
Speaker 2: So there isn't a formal scientific study that has measured
Speaker 2: brain cells. What it measures is capacity. For most of
Speaker 2: the journals and the things that are examining cannabis use,
Speaker 2: and it's uh, how chronically you use, how frequently you use,
Speaker 2: all of those impact the long term engagement and interaction
Speaker 2: on your body and your brain. So when you think
Speaker 2: about capacity, capacity is diminished over time. We start out
Speaker 2: in our you know, our infancy stage, we build to
Speaker 2: adulthood where we're reaching our maximal capacity, and then at
Speaker 2: some point we start to transition where we plateau in
Speaker 2: our ability to learn new ways of thinking, to learn
Speaker 2: new processes, and then we eventually start to decline as
Speaker 2: we get older. So that's just capacity in general going
Speaker 2: on that hill and that and that curve. And you
Speaker 2: have to look at how does canvabis influence that a
Speaker 2: lot of people will say at certain periods in your life,
Speaker 2: it unlocks a different creativity that allows you to be
Speaker 2: more open and to be more focused and intentional on
Speaker 2: your work.
Speaker 1: Now, don't own up that can because I've already had
Speaker 1: you on for an hour.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, So you can't mens her creativity. So
Speaker 2: that's a different kind of engagement.
Speaker 1: What about the person then that says y'all and then
Speaker 1: we got she's got y'all, she's got to go. So
Speaker 1: don't have me ask them a question. The person that
Speaker 1: says I cannot create or work without it. I write
Speaker 1: better songs, I write better scripts. What do you say
Speaker 1: to that person that feels like you have to be
Speaker 1: in another world to create.
Speaker 2: So THHD has the potential to unlock that for a
Speaker 2: lot of people because of it is its ability to
Speaker 2: unmask you for sensation. So it allows people to go
Speaker 2: deeper and it allows people to be more present in
Speaker 2: the work and in the space of what they're doing.
Speaker 2: But there is a borderline with addiction. So when you
Speaker 2: hear people saying I can't wake up without having a drink,
Speaker 2: I can't wake up without taking a hit, I can't
Speaker 2: wake up without doing exit doing why you have to
Speaker 2: think about those signs of addiction as well too, Because
Speaker 2: PhD does have the ability for someone to become addicted
Speaker 2: to it. So how why when you use you always
Speaker 2: have to be understanding of its impact on you. So
Speaker 2: when you start getting to the point that you can't
Speaker 2: work effectively without using THHC, then we have to really
Speaker 2: tap into the purpose and the intention behind your use
Speaker 2: and make sure that we're using the minimal amount of
Speaker 2: medication to get maximum benefits and relief. And we're always
Speaker 2: microdosing so that we're not over indulging and we don't
Speaker 2: have negative side effects. Yeah, it's been great, it's been
Speaker 2: a journey, But I as a physician, I always emphasize
Speaker 2: the safety of it, and I can't tell you that enough.
Speaker 2: It's not for everybody. Like Jay said, it's not for everybody.
Speaker 2: CBD is not for everybody. They have side effects as
Speaker 2: well too, So you have to just be educated in
Speaker 2: the process and you know, be open to go on
Speaker 2: this journey with your position together, because it's not gonna
Speaker 2: work the first time either. We're gonna have to do
Speaker 2: this a couple of weeks, maybe even months, till we
Speaker 2: find where your sweet spot is, where you're using that
Speaker 2: maximum amount of efficacy with very minimal amount of gholstin. Y'all.
Speaker 1: Doctor Sophia len Lassiter has been absolutely amazing Doctor Sephia Lynn.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry I went on what I saw.
Speaker 2: No, you're good. You're good. Thank you so much.
Speaker 1: Yes, y'all. Y'all can find her literally on Instagram at
Speaker 1: ask doctor Linn l y N and ask doctor Lynn
Speaker 1: dot com is her website, y'all. She's like since in
Speaker 1: South Florida. She's less than a Florida period.
Speaker 2: California yep.
Speaker 1: And Georgia.
Speaker 2: Welcome Georgia, it's our new estate. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Do you think you'll ever do your own product?
Speaker 2: I've been approached many companies many times to do my
Speaker 2: own product, whether it's a CBD line or a THHD
Speaker 2: strain or stuff like that, and for me, it's just
Speaker 2: about trust and relationship and making sure that it is
Speaker 2: an organic development, you know. So I just have to
Speaker 2: make sure I'm doing it with a production company and
Speaker 2: a entity that I believe in. So when the right
Speaker 2: opportunity comes, we welcome all those all those chances, but
Speaker 2: it has to be the right fit. So once I find.
Speaker 1: That her skin is skinny, the hair is hairing, that's
Speaker 1: our brown girl, Jane faith soal sarum, that's my brown girl.
Speaker 1: Jane's srem It's amazing, her body is amazing, her perfume.
Speaker 2: Is about out. Yeah, she's got everything than Malaika and
Speaker 2: nia r.
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, yes. So until then, y'all, thank y'all so
Speaker 1: much for like I said, you know, I tiptoe in
Speaker 1: this world and in this conversation because I'm not an expert,
Speaker 1: and y'all already heard me tell of a story of
Speaker 1: what happened when I didn't have experts around, right, So, uh, doctor,
Speaker 1: thank you so much. I'll be in touch. Can't wait.
Speaker 1: My best friend lives in your area, in the Florida area,
Speaker 1: so I'll definitely see you soon.
Speaker 2: Thank you on checking in with Michelle Williams. It's been
Speaker 2: a pleasure. Black Effect Network. This has been an honor,
Speaker 2: and I look forward to collaborating more and getting the
Speaker 2: word and information out there. Thank you for choosing this
Speaker 2: topic to address because it's so important and a lot
Speaker 2: of people do stare away from it and are afraid
Speaker 2: to discuss, and your honesty and your transparency and your
Speaker 2: personal journey and family members and close friends helps it
Speaker 2: to be more relatable. So I appreciate you. Thank you
Speaker 2: so much, Michelle.
Speaker 1: You're the best. We'll see you again. Definitely, what an amazing, enlightening,
Speaker 1: informative conversation. She just flowed and again, like I told her,
Speaker 1: you know, she flowed so well into the questions that
Speaker 1: I was going to ask. I love conversations like that.
Speaker 1: So I'm gonna let my mama listen to this episode,
Speaker 1: and maybe my mama will change her mind. I will
Speaker 1: never forget in the latter years of my father's life,
Speaker 1: when he would be in so much pain and I'm like, mom,
Speaker 1: they opened a dispensary here, and she would be like,
Speaker 1: I do not want to be standing in line waiting
Speaker 1: for no weed. And so to this day I crack
Speaker 1: up about that, you know, But to each his own,
Speaker 1: you know, And so I just I'm going to continue
Speaker 1: studying the benefits of it. I'm not out here campaigning
Speaker 1: and touting, but I think everybody should do their own research.
Speaker 1: I also think think that you should you be speaking
Speaker 1: to your own doctor about what is best for you. Again,
Speaker 1: this episode is not campaigning. It's not telling you to
Speaker 1: do it. It's not telling you not to do it.
Speaker 1: I know the benefits of actual of CBD oil. There
Speaker 1: are some CBD oils that do have THC, and some
Speaker 1: CBD oils it's just straight CBD oil, so it does
Speaker 1: not give you the effect of feeling like you're high.
Speaker 1: So AnyWho, I just wanted to tell you all that
Speaker 1: and thank you for listening. Thank y'all for being open
Speaker 1: and having an open mind. Y'all, please don't judge me
Speaker 1: about the story about the edible, all right, do not
Speaker 1: judge me. That was a long, long, long, long long
Speaker 1: time ago.
Speaker 2: Okay, fine.
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