WEBVTT - An Update 0:00:01.560 --> 0:00:03.040 A group of high school students. 0:00:03.120 --> 0:00:06.720 High school students Elizabethan High School students started a project 0:00:06.720 --> 0:00:07.800 to research. 0:00:07.440 --> 0:00:09.560 A string of unsolved murders. 0:00:09.800 --> 0:00:12.920 Their research led to the identification of the killer. 0:00:13.039 --> 0:00:16.000 Investigators now have an answer to a thirty four year 0:00:16.000 --> 0:00:16.720 old question. 0:00:17.720 --> 0:00:19.960 Once you start getting a few tips, or a few 0:00:20.040 --> 0:00:25.040 leads or few identifications, then the cold case isn't so cold. 0:00:25.040 --> 0:00:27.360 In any normal there's a pretty good chance he's still alive. 0:00:28.880 --> 0:00:32.080 Everything that the students predicted through their profile turned out 0:00:32.120 --> 0:00:32.839 to be accurate. 0:00:33.240 --> 0:00:38.760 Redhead Killer profile mail Caucasian, five nine six, two hundred 0:00:38.800 --> 0:00:42.240 and seventy pounds, unsable home, absent father, and a domineering mother, 0:00:42.400 --> 0:00:46.040 right handed, a Q above one hundred. Most likely heterosexual. 0:00:46.520 --> 0:00:50.080 There is no profile of this killer except for the 0:00:50.080 --> 0:00:53.080 ones the students created. Just because some of these women 0:00:53.120 --> 0:00:54.880 no longer have people to speak for them does not 0:00:55.000 --> 0:00:56.240 mean that they deserve to not. 0:00:56.240 --> 0:00:58.240 Be so anymore. What if this guy's still alive? 0:00:58.320 --> 0:00:59.639 Like what becomes after us? 0:01:00.000 --> 0:01:00.920 Consider it's gonna kill me? 0:01:01.440 --> 0:01:08.320 Yeah, I'm Alex Campbell, one of the hosts for Murder 0:01:08.360 --> 0:01:12.319 What O What? And you're listening to episode twelve Roundtable Update. 0:01:13.040 --> 0:01:13.479 This is a. 0:01:13.440 --> 0:01:17.479 Conversation with producer Andrew Arnaut and myself about a recent 0:01:17.520 --> 0:01:20.000 discovery on the case and a quick update to what 0:01:20.040 --> 0:01:21.160 my students are up to. 0:01:21.240 --> 0:01:26.320 Now, it's a good thing you called, because I got 0:01:26.400 --> 0:01:29.080 the craziest story you've ever heard. I just found out 0:01:29.160 --> 0:01:31.720 something about that's related to this case. It'll just boggle 0:01:31.720 --> 0:01:33.520 your mind. I don't even know everything about it. I 0:01:33.520 --> 0:01:34.600 mean I literally just found out. 0:01:34.520 --> 0:01:36.160 Minutes ago, but you're it. 0:01:36.440 --> 0:01:37.160 I'm excited. 0:01:37.520 --> 0:01:42.480 So at the end of July, the TBI identified what 0:01:42.720 --> 0:01:45.080 used to be called the Cheatham County Jane Doe of 0:01:45.200 --> 0:01:49.760 nineteen eighty five, So now we know she is Michelle Enman. 0:01:51.680 --> 0:01:53.720 So that is a recent development. 0:01:54.600 --> 0:01:58.200 And then I literally just found this a few minutes ago. 0:01:59.240 --> 0:02:03.680 But Michelle Weill Enman married when she was fifteen a 0:02:03.720 --> 0:02:07.480 guy named Ricky Lynn Kelly, which probably doesn't mean much 0:02:07.480 --> 0:02:09.120 to you, and it wouldn't have been anything to me 0:02:09.280 --> 0:02:12.720 until I just figured out who he was. So he 0:02:13.320 --> 0:02:18.720 in nineteen seventy eight was part of a plot to 0:02:18.800 --> 0:02:22.760 blow up the Percy Priest Dam, which is what holds the. 0:02:22.800 --> 0:02:28.840 River back in Nashville, Tennessee. Oh wow, one hundred and fifty. 0:02:28.480 --> 0:02:32.600 Pounds of dynamite blew up the dam, but it was 0:02:32.639 --> 0:02:33.840 not nearly. 0:02:33.520 --> 0:02:35.359 Enough dynamite to make it fail. 0:02:35.840 --> 0:02:39.400 But their plan was to flood all of downtown Nashville. 0:02:39.440 --> 0:02:42.440 They thought they could kill half the population of Nashville. 0:02:43.400 --> 0:02:46.720 And their goal was to go round after the destruction 0:02:47.000 --> 0:02:50.280 and loot all these businesses downstairs, I mean downtown. 0:02:50.919 --> 0:02:53.640 So they wanted to wipe out half of the city 0:02:53.800 --> 0:02:55.520 just to loop buildings. 0:02:55.800 --> 0:03:00.480 Yes, so they blew up, you know, one hundred fifty pounds, 0:03:00.520 --> 0:03:03.119 but that wasn't nearly enough. So they had already acquired 0:03:03.200 --> 0:03:06.000 or they were trying to acquire six hundred and fifty pounds, 0:03:06.400 --> 0:03:06.840 and they. 0:03:06.680 --> 0:03:07.960 Were going to try to blow it up again. 0:03:08.480 --> 0:03:10.840 But I think what happened I just read this a 0:03:10.880 --> 0:03:14.200 second ago. I think one of the guys tried to 0:03:14.240 --> 0:03:16.840 sell some of the dynamite. It ended up being an 0:03:16.880 --> 0:03:21.760 undercover FBI agent and anyway, so they got caught before 0:03:21.760 --> 0:03:24.000 they blew it tried to blow it up again. So 0:03:24.240 --> 0:03:26.040 at fifteen, that's who she married. 0:03:27.160 --> 0:03:31.040 Wow, that's wild. Do you know anything else about her? 0:03:31.919 --> 0:03:34.000 Well, a little bit. So he went to prison in 0:03:34.080 --> 0:03:35.160 nineteen seventy nine. 0:03:35.360 --> 0:03:37.160 I'm still trying to figure out, you know, how long 0:03:37.200 --> 0:03:39.880 he was in prison and all that, But it seems 0:03:39.960 --> 0:03:43.720 like she was going by Munn again after he went 0:03:43.760 --> 0:03:46.280 to prison, So I don't know if the marriage was, 0:03:46.400 --> 0:03:50.200 you know, like officially dissolved, divorced or whatever. She ends 0:03:50.280 --> 0:03:53.240 up in a relationship with this guy named Anthony Bradshaw, 0:03:53.800 --> 0:03:56.440 and she actually went to see him when he was 0:03:56.480 --> 0:04:00.880 in the Nashville County jail, and she signed as missus 0:04:01.040 --> 0:04:05.480 Michelle Bradshaw, even though they can't find an official marriage document, 0:04:05.720 --> 0:04:06.040 so she. 0:04:06.040 --> 0:04:07.800 Was probably posing as his wife so they would let 0:04:07.800 --> 0:04:10.600 her in, Like she's about eighteen at this time. 0:04:10.960 --> 0:04:16.760 Anyway, he must get out of jail, I guess, And yeah, 0:04:16.800 --> 0:04:19.240 he's probably out of jail. And in nineteen eighty four, 0:04:19.680 --> 0:04:23.920 they were both charged with extortion and obstruction of justice 0:04:24.600 --> 0:04:25.400 against a guy. 0:04:25.960 --> 0:04:27.800 So that's the last. 0:04:27.520 --> 0:04:30.919 Thing we really have of her as December nineteen eighty four. 0:04:31.400 --> 0:04:34.919 Her body was found March thirty first, nineteen eighty five, 0:04:35.680 --> 0:04:36.600 and she. 0:04:36.640 --> 0:04:38.320 Had been dead for a while. 0:04:38.440 --> 0:04:40.880 Let me see, Let's see if I can find it 0:04:40.880 --> 0:04:43.800 out real quick, like how she had been dead It 0:04:44.240 --> 0:04:46.920 was months probably, Isn't that crazy? 0:04:48.279 --> 0:04:52.640 Yeah, that's wild. It's weird that a victim has their 0:04:52.760 --> 0:04:55.400 own crazy criminal history. Too. 0:04:56.160 --> 0:04:59.760 It does, It really does. And it's like that with 0:04:59.800 --> 0:05:02.920 some of the other victims too. Anyway, she had been 0:05:02.960 --> 0:05:04.480 dead for a while. 0:05:04.640 --> 0:05:08.760 A long while, so she probably I. 0:05:08.800 --> 0:05:13.839 Don't really know, Like if she says they were charged 0:05:13.880 --> 0:05:18.840 with this obstruction of justice and extortion in December the eighteenth, 0:05:18.960 --> 0:05:21.839 nineteen eighty four, if she was found on March thirty first, 0:05:22.520 --> 0:05:27.200 and she had been dead for months, then it wasn't 0:05:27.360 --> 0:05:30.840 much longer, much long after December the eighteenth, nineteen eighty 0:05:30.839 --> 0:05:32.800 four when she was charged with that crime, that she 0:05:32.800 --> 0:05:36.160 would have probably gone missing and ended up dead. 0:05:37.240 --> 0:05:37.800 Wow. 0:05:38.640 --> 0:05:42.440 And so that's interesting now because you know, she has 0:05:42.440 --> 0:05:45.160 a habit of hanging out with some pretty unsavory characters, 0:05:45.720 --> 0:05:49.520 and so what does that mean about other people, you know, 0:05:49.600 --> 0:05:54.760 possibly being involved. But also interesting thing is Jerry Johns 0:05:55.320 --> 0:05:57.719 he was in jail. So he was in jail on 0:05:57.800 --> 0:06:00.800 March sixth for the attempt to murder of Lyndon. 0:06:01.600 --> 0:06:04.320 So they find her body while he's in jail. 0:06:04.760 --> 0:06:09.080 The TBI asked him they had previously asked him have 0:06:09.279 --> 0:06:11.599 you been where any of these women have been killed? 0:06:12.080 --> 0:06:14.080 And Jerry John said, well, yeah, I've been where all 0:06:14.120 --> 0:06:16.960 the bodies have been found. But I'm a truck and 0:06:17.040 --> 0:06:18.040 I drive around a lot. 0:06:17.920 --> 0:06:20.520 So that don't mean I did it. That was his response. 0:06:21.360 --> 0:06:23.960 And then they go to him again after they find 0:06:23.960 --> 0:06:26.680 this body and they say, well, she would have died, 0:06:27.000 --> 0:06:28.559 you know a couple months back. 0:06:29.279 --> 0:06:31.400 Would you have been, you know, in the. 0:06:31.480 --> 0:06:34.560 Nashville area where she was found at the time that 0:06:34.600 --> 0:06:37.760 she would have been dumped out? And he said, well, yeah, 0:06:37.760 --> 0:06:40.040 I was there she about the time when she was 0:06:40.120 --> 0:06:44.279 dumped out, but I didn't do it. Weird, So, I mean, 0:06:44.320 --> 0:06:46.800 he admitted he was where everybody was, and in this 0:06:46.839 --> 0:06:49.360 one case, he even admitted that he was there when 0:06:49.480 --> 0:06:50.800 the body would have been dumped out. 0:06:51.160 --> 0:06:53.640 So wow, it's it's just a really crazy case, you know. 0:06:54.560 --> 0:06:57.480 Yeah, I mean it's just like the twists and turns 0:06:57.560 --> 0:06:58.839 keep on coming. Huh. 0:06:58.920 --> 0:07:03.640 There was another Cheatham County Jane Doe in nineteen eighty one. 0:07:04.440 --> 0:07:06.800 Michelle Enman was known as the Cheatham County Jane Doe 0:07:06.880 --> 0:07:07.599 nineteen eighty five. 0:07:08.080 --> 0:07:08.719 So there was. 0:07:08.720 --> 0:07:12.120 Another one from eighty one that we weren't really sure 0:07:12.640 --> 0:07:16.200 if she kind of matched the mo the signature of 0:07:16.240 --> 0:07:20.040 the Bible Belt strangler because she was found a few 0:07:20.080 --> 0:07:25.480 miles away from the interstate near like a trash. I 0:07:25.480 --> 0:07:28.400 think it was the landfill or something. There were some 0:07:28.520 --> 0:07:31.760 hunters that were near that area that found this body. 0:07:32.080 --> 0:07:33.520 She was identified just. 0:07:33.600 --> 0:07:37.480 Like the other day, August sixteenth, So she was identified 0:07:37.560 --> 0:07:38.679 actually last month. 0:07:38.960 --> 0:07:41.920 Yeah, so the Cheatham County. Before we even began to. 0:07:41.880 --> 0:07:44.720 Look at her case to see if she might be related, 0:07:44.840 --> 0:07:46.760 because we had not heard about this one until a 0:07:46.760 --> 0:07:49.760 few months ago. Anyway, they identified her and she was 0:07:49.760 --> 0:07:53.760 a fifteen year old named Linda Sue Corns, and she 0:07:54.040 --> 0:07:57.760 was actually at a youth home and she evidently had 0:07:57.840 --> 0:08:00.600 run away from the youth home and then she was 0:08:00.680 --> 0:08:01.960 found a. 0:08:01.880 --> 0:08:05.120 Few miles away. She had been dead for a while. 0:08:05.840 --> 0:08:09.000 A matter of fact, they don't even know exactly when 0:08:09.760 --> 0:08:11.880 she was dead, when she was killed. 0:08:12.840 --> 0:08:15.600 I mean, so do they think now that it's related 0:08:15.640 --> 0:08:17.000 to Jerry John's. 0:08:16.960 --> 0:08:20.280 Well, I don't know that they're releasing nothing. 0:08:21.080 --> 0:08:22.760 But this is the interesting part. 0:08:22.840 --> 0:08:25.920 They just said, you know, an old before even they 0:08:25.960 --> 0:08:29.800 identified her, they had said they thought it was a murder. 0:08:30.280 --> 0:08:35.000 Now they didn't say why, but that, but that tells 0:08:35.080 --> 0:08:37.480 me that they just didn't find like a bone lay 0:08:37.520 --> 0:08:37.920 out there. 0:08:38.400 --> 0:08:41.560 Oh interesting, Well, I mean, or does that tell you 0:08:41.679 --> 0:08:44.160 that they have a suspect who's still alive, so they 0:08:44.160 --> 0:08:45.559 didn't want to release anything. 0:08:45.880 --> 0:08:46.520 I don't think. 0:08:46.600 --> 0:08:50.400 So what I think is the way her body was found, 0:08:51.720 --> 0:08:54.560 or what was found with it, or you know, something 0:08:54.559 --> 0:08:56.840 that was done to the body made them think this 0:08:56.960 --> 0:08:57.840 wasn't an accident. 0:08:58.320 --> 0:08:59.960 So that could be a lot of things. 0:09:00.080 --> 0:09:02.439 That could be a ligature around her neck, that could 0:09:02.480 --> 0:09:05.160 be a bullet hole, that could be some type of 0:09:05.480 --> 0:09:08.160 you know, bunch of broken bones, you know, something like 0:09:08.240 --> 0:09:11.880 that that showed there was some type of violence that happened. 0:09:12.080 --> 0:09:13.320 That's what I think it was. 0:09:13.360 --> 0:09:15.280 You know, maybe she was found in a trash bag, 0:09:15.360 --> 0:09:19.000 you know, something like that, where even though she was 0:09:19.000 --> 0:09:22.760 severely decomposed, that there would be something that would tell 0:09:22.800 --> 0:09:24.560 them this was probably not an accident. 0:09:25.040 --> 0:09:26.679 So that's the way I took it. Well. 0:09:26.679 --> 0:09:29.840 They were saying it was most likely, you know, a 0:09:29.880 --> 0:09:32.680 suspected homicide, I think is how they worded it. But 0:09:32.880 --> 0:09:37.120 they are asking for help, you know, if anybody you 0:09:37.200 --> 0:09:41.199 know recognizes her or anything like that, remembered anything, to 0:09:41.320 --> 0:09:44.840 let them know. But the interesting part is in the 0:09:44.880 --> 0:09:49.480 TBI press release, they don't mention anything about where she lived, 0:09:49.559 --> 0:09:52.000 where she was from, where she was last seen. 0:09:52.080 --> 0:09:53.680 I don't even think they gave her age. 0:09:54.120 --> 0:09:56.319 So they say, oh, we really need your help identifying 0:09:56.320 --> 0:09:59.199 this girl, and so if you remember anything about this girl, 0:09:59.240 --> 0:10:00.760 here's her name, let. 0:10:00.760 --> 0:10:01.559 Us know who. 0:10:02.040 --> 0:10:04.280 But they didn't say anything about where she was living, 0:10:04.320 --> 0:10:08.800 where she had been. So actually, dnasolves dot com probably 0:10:08.800 --> 0:10:12.600 has done the best job in getting out information about her. 0:10:12.640 --> 0:10:14.280 They actually put a picture out, which I don't even 0:10:14.280 --> 0:10:16.400 know if tv I did that. They have a colored 0:10:16.440 --> 0:10:19.679 picture of her, and have a lot of information about 0:10:19.679 --> 0:10:23.000 where she was born, where she was living, which a 0:10:23.040 --> 0:10:24.640 girl's home, she had actually been in. 0:10:25.000 --> 0:10:26.760 Stuff like that. 0:10:26.760 --> 0:10:28.240 That's really helpful information. 0:10:28.960 --> 0:10:30.520 Yeah, I mean, that's the kind of thing that jogs 0:10:30.559 --> 0:10:31.280 people's memory. 0:10:31.679 --> 0:10:34.319 Yeah, I mean people say, oh yeah, I grew up there, 0:10:34.480 --> 0:10:36.199 Oh yeah, I remember the youth home we lived down 0:10:36.240 --> 0:10:38.560 the road. And that's the kind of thing that helps people. 0:10:38.760 --> 0:10:41.559 So I was a little surprised when they didn't release Well, 0:10:41.600 --> 0:10:42.760 maybe I wasn't surprised. 0:10:42.920 --> 0:10:44.920 The TBI plays things. 0:10:44.600 --> 0:10:47.440 Close to the best as far as an investigating agency goes. 0:10:47.480 --> 0:10:49.840 That's just kind of their pattern, So maybe I wasn't 0:10:49.880 --> 0:10:50.719 super surprised. 0:10:50.760 --> 0:10:52.720 But that is the kind of thing that helps to 0:10:52.800 --> 0:10:56.640 jog people's memories. So I hope the information is getting 0:10:56.640 --> 0:11:00.240 out in some way to help people maybe remember or 0:11:00.240 --> 0:11:00.920 something about that. 0:11:08.720 --> 0:11:10.480 Let's stop here for a break. We'll be back in 0:11:10.520 --> 0:11:23.080 a moment. Murder one oh one. 0:11:24.600 --> 0:11:29.320 What happened was Tennessee the Tensity grow Up Investigations got 0:11:29.360 --> 0:11:33.280 a grant of one hundred thousand dollars and this grant 0:11:34.000 --> 0:11:37.120 was to do genetic genealogies. So I think that was 0:11:37.240 --> 0:11:40.920 enough money to do eleven Jane or John. 0:11:40.720 --> 0:11:41.760 Doe's in the state. 0:11:42.200 --> 0:11:45.079 So they have been submitting these and I think they've 0:11:45.480 --> 0:11:47.960 gotten four of those back and actually figured out who 0:11:48.000 --> 0:11:48.240 they are. 0:11:48.240 --> 0:11:50.800 I think two were men and then these two women here. 0:11:51.160 --> 0:11:55.520 So as far as the victims related to that we 0:11:55.559 --> 0:11:58.520 feel are related to our case, all the ones in 0:11:58.559 --> 0:12:02.160 the state of Tennessee have now been a There is 0:12:02.240 --> 0:12:06.720 one more known as the Robertson County chain Doe. Again, 0:12:06.800 --> 0:12:10.280 that's what we just found out about. Robertson County is 0:12:10.280 --> 0:12:12.840 the county right beside Cheatham County. These are all kind 0:12:12.840 --> 0:12:14.520 of around Nashville. 0:12:14.640 --> 0:12:15.400 They all have a. 0:12:15.360 --> 0:12:18.400 Major interstate, a different major interstate that runs through them, 0:12:18.679 --> 0:12:20.560 and all of these bodies were found in a close 0:12:20.600 --> 0:12:23.839 proximity to the interstate. Linda Sukarn. She was found a 0:12:23.920 --> 0:12:26.280 few miles away from the interstate. The other two were 0:12:26.320 --> 0:12:29.720 found right on the interstate. So we are very interested 0:12:29.760 --> 0:12:31.280 in the Robertson County Jaine Doe. 0:12:31.280 --> 0:12:34.319 But again we haven't really begun to even go through that, 0:12:34.920 --> 0:12:36.360 and there's a few reasons why. 0:12:36.440 --> 0:12:38.920 I spoke with a detective in charge of that case, 0:12:39.480 --> 0:12:42.800 and he said that they originally thought it was a female, 0:12:43.240 --> 0:12:46.560 but now after some testing, they had been told it 0:12:46.679 --> 0:12:47.160 was a male. 0:12:47.559 --> 0:12:49.880 Because it was only like parts of the skull and 0:12:50.000 --> 0:12:51.040 parts of bones. 0:12:51.040 --> 0:12:53.240 Right, it's a lot harder to identify. 0:12:53.559 --> 0:12:56.640 But when I looked online, it actually said that they 0:12:56.679 --> 0:13:00.800 had originally thought it was a man and now they 0:13:01.000 --> 0:13:03.960 after some testing, they thought it was a woman. And 0:13:04.040 --> 0:13:06.160 when I told him that, he said, wow, like I 0:13:06.160 --> 0:13:08.200 always thought it was the other way, So he wasn't 0:13:08.200 --> 0:13:11.000 even aware that right now they were saying this was 0:13:11.040 --> 0:13:11.559 a female. 0:13:12.160 --> 0:13:13.360 So the only way to. 0:13:13.320 --> 0:13:16.960 Really clear this up is to work with the anthropology 0:13:17.000 --> 0:13:19.880 department at the University of Tennessee. They have her body, 0:13:20.360 --> 0:13:22.760 and so they actually have the name of the doctor 0:13:22.760 --> 0:13:25.360 who's in charge of that case. He said when if 0:13:25.400 --> 0:13:27.840 he got time, he would try to contact them. I 0:13:27.880 --> 0:13:29.480 told him I would do it. He said, if you 0:13:29.480 --> 0:13:32.640 want to try it. So I actually have emailed multiple 0:13:32.640 --> 0:13:36.240 times and called multiple times to both the doctor and 0:13:36.679 --> 0:13:38.960 the secretary who's in charge of that department, and I 0:13:39.000 --> 0:13:41.640 have gotten zero response from any of the people who 0:13:41.640 --> 0:13:42.240 are supposed to be. 0:13:42.240 --> 0:13:42.800 In charge of that. 0:13:43.320 --> 0:13:43.840 Interesting. 0:13:44.120 --> 0:13:45.640 I mean, I can't even get anybody to answer the 0:13:45.640 --> 0:13:48.160 phone or anything. So I was also told that that 0:13:48.280 --> 0:13:49.199 was not unusual. 0:13:49.720 --> 0:13:51.680 There's other people that have tried to work with them, 0:13:52.040 --> 0:13:55.679 and they say sometimes it's just nearly impossible to get 0:13:55.679 --> 0:13:56.640 somebody to answer back. 0:13:57.080 --> 0:13:59.559 So we don't even know if that's a male or 0:13:59.559 --> 0:14:00.280 a female, but. 0:14:00.240 --> 0:14:04.000 It appears that it's actually a female, so we need 0:14:04.040 --> 0:14:06.040 to investigate a little more in that case. 0:14:06.600 --> 0:14:10.720 And this is even more if this is possible. 0:14:10.280 --> 0:14:14.840 It's even more outlandish than the last one. Is that 0:14:14.960 --> 0:14:20.520 one of the surviving victims sent me some newspaper clippings 0:14:20.840 --> 0:14:23.880 that she started to keep after she was attacked, and 0:14:24.400 --> 0:14:30.400 she actually had a case there from Cock County, Tennessee. 0:14:30.600 --> 0:14:34.280 So she actually had this newspaper. 0:14:33.760 --> 0:14:38.120 Clipping and it said that they had found a redheaded 0:14:38.760 --> 0:14:43.800 victim beside the interstate there, and so I couldn't find 0:14:43.960 --> 0:14:48.240 anything on it. It had been months and months, and 0:14:48.280 --> 0:14:50.200 they actually the end the story it said they thought 0:14:50.240 --> 0:14:52.680 it was a woman who was missing from Cock County, 0:14:53.240 --> 0:14:57.480 but they checked the general records and it was not her. 0:14:57.960 --> 0:15:00.520 So they didn't know who this person was. And it 0:15:00.600 --> 0:15:03.880 was the sheriff speaking to the newspaper in this story. 0:15:04.280 --> 0:15:07.040 So I couldn't find her as far as like a 0:15:07.160 --> 0:15:10.480 Jane Doe or anything. So I called the sheriff and 0:15:10.560 --> 0:15:12.560 the sheriff said he had never heard of this. 0:15:13.080 --> 0:15:14.200 So he said he would. 0:15:14.080 --> 0:15:15.960 Check around, he would talk to some people, he'd look, 0:15:16.000 --> 0:15:18.280 and he said that they didn't have anything on this 0:15:18.800 --> 0:15:21.880 in their records, which is unusual. 0:15:22.280 --> 0:15:24.000 Caught County is a very rural county. 0:15:24.240 --> 0:15:26.880 They probably averaged about one murder a year, and they 0:15:26.920 --> 0:15:31.000 have a dead person beside the road, and they had. 0:15:30.800 --> 0:15:34.360 Her for going on a year. They had been checking 0:15:34.440 --> 0:15:35.240 dental records. 0:15:35.560 --> 0:15:37.600 I mean, there's stories in the newspaper about it, and 0:15:37.680 --> 0:15:39.840 yet there's no record at the sheriff's office. 0:15:40.160 --> 0:15:42.200 So anyway, he's been helpful. The sheriff. 0:15:42.240 --> 0:15:45.520 He tried to contact, I believe like the chief deputy 0:15:45.560 --> 0:15:47.720 at the time, and he was trying to get a 0:15:47.720 --> 0:15:50.920 hold of him to see if he knew anything about it, 0:15:51.360 --> 0:15:54.800 but he said he was having difficulty contacting him. And 0:15:54.880 --> 0:15:59.400 so there's another redheaded victim found beside an interstate in 0:15:59.440 --> 0:16:02.200 East Tennessee at about the right time. 0:16:02.680 --> 0:16:05.480 However, there's no record of this murder. 0:16:05.520 --> 0:16:08.960 And so the thing that gets me is in America 0:16:09.600 --> 0:16:13.360 just a few decades ago, you could be murdered and 0:16:13.400 --> 0:16:15.840 there would be no evidence of it a few decades later, Like, 0:16:15.840 --> 0:16:17.200 I don't understand how that happens. 0:16:17.600 --> 0:16:20.680 Yeah, that doesn't really make any sense. 0:16:21.320 --> 0:16:23.840 Little sensing was when I talked to some detectives down there, 0:16:24.080 --> 0:16:25.760 he said, well, that's crazy, you know, And I sent 0:16:25.880 --> 0:16:28.640 him that. He said, can you send me the newspaper story, 0:16:28.760 --> 0:16:30.920 I said, Steord, so send it to him. And he 0:16:31.040 --> 0:16:33.160 said that he had never heard of that either. He 0:16:33.160 --> 0:16:35.720 would look into it. And he said that what you know, 0:16:35.720 --> 0:16:38.520 an older cop or somebody had talked to told him 0:16:39.040 --> 0:16:42.320 is they thought this person was actually that it's near 0:16:42.360 --> 0:16:45.480 the state line with North Carolina, and actually she was 0:16:45.520 --> 0:16:47.359 found like on two miles. 0:16:47.040 --> 0:16:48.920 Or something from the state line, so it's pretty close. 0:16:49.160 --> 0:16:51.200 And he said that what he was told was that 0:16:51.240 --> 0:16:55.240 they believed that she was from the North Carolina side, 0:16:55.680 --> 0:16:58.480 and the murder happened there, and you know, she was 0:16:58.480 --> 0:17:02.160 probably dumped on their side. But when I called, there's 0:17:02.240 --> 0:17:05.199 only three agencies that would really be kind of close 0:17:05.720 --> 0:17:08.800 on the North Carolina side. I called every one of 0:17:08.840 --> 0:17:12.040 them and talk to the most likely one, the one 0:17:12.040 --> 0:17:15.159 that's right across the border, and she said that she 0:17:15.200 --> 0:17:18.159 didn't have anything on it either. And she told me, 0:17:18.320 --> 0:17:21.080 she actually took the time to explain to me, that's 0:17:21.119 --> 0:17:23.560 not how it works. She said, you don't find a 0:17:23.600 --> 0:17:26.640 dead body in your county and then figure out that 0:17:26.720 --> 0:17:28.600 maybe you know they were killed in another county, but 0:17:28.640 --> 0:17:31.080 you don't have any records. You would still have the 0:17:31.119 --> 0:17:34.439 record of finding the body who investigated it, you know 0:17:34.520 --> 0:17:37.520 what they did. And then even if you did believe 0:17:37.560 --> 0:17:40.960 it happened in another city or another county or another state, 0:17:41.280 --> 0:17:43.440 that you would put something in there that you know, 0:17:43.600 --> 0:17:45.679 this is now going to be handled by you know, 0:17:45.720 --> 0:17:48.520 another agency, but like those records wouldn't disappear. 0:17:49.160 --> 0:17:51.440 That's awfully suspicious. 0:17:51.840 --> 0:17:54.080 Yes, And so that's when I called. I said, I'm 0:17:54.080 --> 0:17:55.040 just going to call the sheriff. 0:17:55.119 --> 0:17:58.720 It's so funny that our school resource officer here at 0:17:58.720 --> 0:18:01.840 the time when he went to the academy. Actually, the 0:18:01.880 --> 0:18:05.080 sheriff from that county was one of his training officers, 0:18:05.480 --> 0:18:07.680 and I was just talking to the resource officer about it, 0:18:07.720 --> 0:18:10.280 and he said, man, he's a really nice guy. He said, 0:18:10.920 --> 0:18:12.760 you know, I think if you called him, he'd probably 0:18:12.760 --> 0:18:13.080 talked to you. 0:18:13.200 --> 0:18:15.000 So he has been he's been very nice. He's tried 0:18:15.040 --> 0:18:15.440 to help. 0:18:15.680 --> 0:18:20.040 But it's just it's interesting that there's no records even, 0:18:20.119 --> 0:18:23.719 I mean, where's the body's toward, you know what, like 0:18:23.760 --> 0:18:25.280 they were comparing dental records. 0:18:25.320 --> 0:18:27.040 The sheriff at that time knew about it. Of course 0:18:27.040 --> 0:18:27.880 he's dead now. 0:18:28.000 --> 0:18:30.400 Yeah, so clearly they have to have something. 0:18:31.200 --> 0:18:33.000 Yeah, And so I asked him, I said, where do 0:18:33.040 --> 0:18:36.160 you think the body is? And he said he assumed 0:18:36.720 --> 0:18:40.000 that it was at the University of Tennessee Anthropology Center 0:18:40.119 --> 0:18:43.560 because that's where all those bodies went. And of course 0:18:43.880 --> 0:18:46.200 we're never going to get an answer from them about 0:18:46.240 --> 0:18:48.880 if they even have the body. And this all goes 0:18:48.960 --> 0:18:51.680 back to what a TBI detective who worked on the 0:18:51.720 --> 0:18:54.720 Redhead murders case back in the eighties told me, or 0:18:55.119 --> 0:18:57.720 Shane Waters, when we were looking into this month years 0:18:57.760 --> 0:19:00.640 ago now five six years ago. He said, there's other 0:19:00.760 --> 0:19:04.600 victims out there and you will never find them, because 0:19:04.640 --> 0:19:08.200 he said he experienced that as a detective and he said, 0:19:08.240 --> 0:19:09.560 you'll just you're. 0:19:09.400 --> 0:19:12.240 Just never gonna find them. So this is maybe just 0:19:12.280 --> 0:19:13.200 one of those examples. 0:19:21.160 --> 0:19:35.120 Let's stop here for another quick break murder one on one. 0:19:36.560 --> 0:19:38.439 I wonder if you do you have any of those 0:19:38.480 --> 0:19:41.399 students who worked on the original project who were at 0:19:41.440 --> 0:19:44.800 the university, and they can go check show up in person. 0:19:44.840 --> 0:19:47.560 I feel like that's the only way sometimes to get answers. 0:19:47.920 --> 0:19:51.639 I actually have a student who was on that that case. 0:19:51.840 --> 0:19:55.160