1 00:00:01,400 --> 00:00:06,920 Speaker 1: Quody dims with the Joseph's gotten More. A few years back, 2 00:00:07,000 --> 00:00:11,680 Speaker 1: I had the opportunity to go to Columbus, Ohio. I've 3 00:00:11,720 --> 00:00:16,319 Speaker 1: never been there before, and I was filming documentary in 4 00:00:16,360 --> 00:00:20,400 Speaker 1: southern Ohio and that was essentially the closest place that 5 00:00:20,480 --> 00:00:22,759 Speaker 1: I could fly into. And I got to tell you 6 00:00:22,760 --> 00:00:26,520 Speaker 1: I spent time there, and actually I got to confess 7 00:00:26,600 --> 00:00:32,839 Speaker 1: I kind of really came to like the place. It 8 00:00:32,960 --> 00:00:36,879 Speaker 1: was really kind of a cool place. I thoroughly enjoyed it, 9 00:00:36,920 --> 00:00:39,879 Speaker 1: and the people that I met, places that I went 10 00:00:39,880 --> 00:00:44,240 Speaker 1: out to eat, enjoyed it very much. So I could 11 00:00:44,240 --> 00:00:46,360 Speaker 1: see how to be a very livable city. You know, 12 00:00:46,400 --> 00:00:52,480 Speaker 1: you got the university there and a lot of nightlife. 13 00:00:53,040 --> 00:00:55,520 Speaker 1: But you know that over the past I don't know, 14 00:00:55,560 --> 00:00:57,880 Speaker 1: a few days a week, there's a case that has 15 00:00:57,920 --> 00:01:03,880 Speaker 1: popped up there that has really troubled me. It's troubled 16 00:01:03,880 --> 00:01:06,200 Speaker 1: me on many levels. And I'm going to get into that, 17 00:01:06,240 --> 00:01:13,039 Speaker 1: I promise, But I think probably the most troubling thing 18 00:01:13,040 --> 00:01:16,920 Speaker 1: about this is that as I speak right now, as 19 00:01:16,920 --> 00:01:21,839 Speaker 1: I speak, there is a monster out there that has 20 00:01:22,000 --> 00:01:29,440 Speaker 1: committed a heinous crime and that led to the deaths 21 00:01:29,480 --> 00:01:32,440 Speaker 1: of two people. And it's not just the fact that 22 00:01:32,480 --> 00:01:36,760 Speaker 1: a heinous crime has been committed, it was committed with 23 00:01:36,959 --> 00:01:42,080 Speaker 1: little young children inside of the house, and yet this 24 00:01:42,200 --> 00:01:48,400 Speaker 1: fandom still walks up and down the streets. I'm Joseph 25 00:01:48,400 --> 00:01:55,200 Speaker 1: Scott Morgan and this is Bodybags, David. I got to 26 00:01:55,240 --> 00:02:02,919 Speaker 1: tell you, I saw the images of this couple something 27 00:02:02,960 --> 00:02:06,320 Speaker 1: that I haven't seen before in a case. You know, 28 00:02:06,320 --> 00:02:09,640 Speaker 1: when they're doing the media does this reflective thing that 29 00:02:09,680 --> 00:02:12,560 Speaker 1: they do with you know, all of their cuts and everything, 30 00:02:12,680 --> 00:02:17,240 Speaker 1: you know, when they're promoting a show about a horrible instant. 31 00:02:17,520 --> 00:02:22,400 Speaker 1: They had these incredibly beautiful moving images of this couple's 32 00:02:22,680 --> 00:02:27,679 Speaker 1: wedding and they're dancing around. You can kind of see 33 00:02:27,720 --> 00:02:31,520 Speaker 1: the glow in their faces, you know, all those sorts 34 00:02:31,520 --> 00:02:39,840 Speaker 1: of things, and it was quite touching. And I began 35 00:02:39,919 --> 00:02:42,919 Speaker 1: to think about that couple and you know, on your 36 00:02:42,919 --> 00:02:45,840 Speaker 1: wedding day, you're so very helpful about the future that 37 00:02:45,880 --> 00:02:50,760 Speaker 1: you have together, and to have something end in this 38 00:02:50,880 --> 00:02:53,640 Speaker 1: kind of horror is quite shocking. And one of the 39 00:02:53,680 --> 00:02:57,120 Speaker 1: reasons I wanted to hop on here with you, my friend, 40 00:02:58,120 --> 00:03:01,320 Speaker 1: is because it's not just to talk about this case, 41 00:03:01,360 --> 00:03:04,960 Speaker 1: but it's a I think it's something that we have 42 00:03:05,000 --> 00:03:07,120 Speaker 1: a voice. We need to remind people of it, and 43 00:03:07,440 --> 00:03:09,960 Speaker 1: people need to be on the lookout because whoever did 44 00:03:10,040 --> 00:03:15,480 Speaker 1: this is pure evil. I mean just absolutely pure evil. 45 00:03:15,720 --> 00:03:18,200 Speaker 1: I hope that they put a bag over this person really, 46 00:03:18,240 --> 00:03:20,840 Speaker 1: really quick, because I'm concerned for the folks up in Columbus, 47 00:03:20,840 --> 00:03:24,560 Speaker 1: in that area of the country because it's nasty, nasty 48 00:03:24,600 --> 00:03:25,200 Speaker 1: business day. 49 00:03:25,240 --> 00:03:30,200 Speaker 2: Talking about the murders of Spencer and Monique Tepi, and 50 00:03:31,280 --> 00:03:35,040 Speaker 2: they were murdered December thirtieth, twenty twenty five. I'm saying 51 00:03:35,040 --> 00:03:38,520 Speaker 2: that emphatically, as in, like, I know what actually happened. 52 00:03:38,560 --> 00:03:41,320 Speaker 2: I don't. I'm only going by the information we've been 53 00:03:41,360 --> 00:03:47,240 Speaker 2: given and based on what we found, meaning police investigators, 54 00:03:47,240 --> 00:03:50,640 Speaker 2: what have you, that it's a good assumption to make 55 00:03:50,720 --> 00:03:55,880 Speaker 2: that they died sometime between midnight and nine in the morning, 56 00:03:56,080 --> 00:03:59,880 Speaker 2: probably much earlier than that, mainly because of we've got 57 00:03:59,880 --> 00:04:02,480 Speaker 2: a couple here who they've got. You know, you mentioned 58 00:04:02,480 --> 00:04:05,080 Speaker 2: the video of the wedding. You know, we've talked about 59 00:04:05,080 --> 00:04:11,440 Speaker 2: how b roll video actually sometimes carries a story. You'll 60 00:04:11,440 --> 00:04:14,400 Speaker 2: see more when they've got wonderful video to share with it, 61 00:04:14,440 --> 00:04:17,760 Speaker 2: because you know, and that's what you've got, You've got 62 00:04:17,760 --> 00:04:20,000 Speaker 2: the all American couple people are looking for. Is there 63 00:04:20,040 --> 00:04:22,880 Speaker 2: something here? Is there a string we can pull? Because 64 00:04:23,240 --> 00:04:27,120 Speaker 2: Spencer and Monique Teppi are found murdered in their home. 65 00:04:27,200 --> 00:04:30,880 Speaker 2: Their young children are located in the home uninjured, and 66 00:04:33,680 --> 00:04:39,800 Speaker 2: Spencer is a dentist and it's his boss who calls police, right, 67 00:04:40,120 --> 00:04:43,479 Speaker 2: And I found it fascinating that he was when he 68 00:04:43,560 --> 00:04:45,520 Speaker 2: was asked about this, he said, you know, he couldn't 69 00:04:45,520 --> 00:04:48,520 Speaker 2: reach Spencer. Spencer's always on time. He's that guy who 70 00:04:48,560 --> 00:04:51,919 Speaker 2: is always on time. And that they found it. He 71 00:04:51,960 --> 00:04:54,880 Speaker 2: found it even more troubling when he couldn't get up 72 00:04:54,880 --> 00:04:57,160 Speaker 2: a Spencer. It was that was just okay, I can't 73 00:04:57,160 --> 00:04:59,039 Speaker 2: get up a Spencer. It was when he could not 74 00:04:59,120 --> 00:05:02,120 Speaker 2: get up with Monique, Yeah, with Spencer's wife, That's when 75 00:05:02,600 --> 00:05:07,040 Speaker 2: panic time, because that just doesn't happen. It's one of 76 00:05:07,080 --> 00:05:10,440 Speaker 2: those things where, you know, if I couldn't find Joe, 77 00:05:10,480 --> 00:05:13,320 Speaker 2: I'd call him, right, If I couldn't find Joe and Kim, 78 00:05:13,640 --> 00:05:16,159 Speaker 2: I'd call Noah. If I can't find any one of 79 00:05:16,200 --> 00:05:18,960 Speaker 2: you guys, I'm on my way to Jacksonville because there's 80 00:05:18,960 --> 00:05:22,000 Speaker 2: a problem. And that's what happened here. He didn't show 81 00:05:22,040 --> 00:05:25,400 Speaker 2: up the dentist's office that morning, so they call, neighbors 82 00:05:25,560 --> 00:05:29,320 Speaker 2: are going by the house, and my gosh, Joseph Scott Morgan, 83 00:05:30,680 --> 00:05:34,520 Speaker 2: when we actually hear the nine to one one calls 84 00:05:35,360 --> 00:05:38,240 Speaker 2: and you've got people who can't get in, you know, 85 00:05:38,520 --> 00:05:42,359 Speaker 2: door's locked, nobody's answering the door. But we hear children. 86 00:05:42,560 --> 00:05:42,800 Speaker 1: Yep. 87 00:05:44,320 --> 00:05:46,720 Speaker 2: I cannot imagine what that must be like to an 88 00:05:46,760 --> 00:05:50,800 Speaker 2: investigator knowing something bad is behind this door and there's 89 00:05:50,880 --> 00:05:51,640 Speaker 2: children in there. 90 00:05:52,000 --> 00:05:55,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, And you know, when when do you cross literally 91 00:05:55,360 --> 00:05:58,159 Speaker 1: when do you cross that threshold? I think that we've 92 00:05:58,720 --> 00:06:00,839 Speaker 1: you and I have talked many times over the year's 93 00:06:00,920 --> 00:06:09,719 Speaker 1: day about about making entry into a residence. And it's 94 00:06:09,720 --> 00:06:11,520 Speaker 1: a weird, you know, it's kind of a weird thing, 95 00:06:12,279 --> 00:06:14,960 Speaker 1: you know, as far as when do the cops actually 96 00:06:15,640 --> 00:06:19,880 Speaker 1: decide to make entry? When when is it dictated? And 97 00:06:19,960 --> 00:06:24,440 Speaker 1: I can you know, I can guarantee you that from 98 00:06:24,560 --> 00:06:28,640 Speaker 1: jurisdiction to jurisdiction, dependent upon their sop, they will have 99 00:06:30,880 --> 00:06:33,560 Speaker 1: there'll be these slight little differences. You know, Well, you've 100 00:06:33,560 --> 00:06:36,840 Speaker 1: got to call a supervisor or I'm sure that there 101 00:06:36,839 --> 00:06:39,520 Speaker 1: are probably some agencies out there that say, don't you 102 00:06:39,640 --> 00:06:42,400 Speaker 1: go through that door without a warrant. You know, even 103 00:06:42,440 --> 00:06:44,960 Speaker 1: if and here's the thing about it, you've got kids 104 00:06:45,000 --> 00:06:48,080 Speaker 1: in there, and you've got non responsive, non available adults. 105 00:06:49,080 --> 00:06:51,359 Speaker 1: What a weird position to be in if you're a cop. 106 00:06:52,720 --> 00:07:00,000 Speaker 1: And my understanding is that the police had actually gone 107 00:07:00,240 --> 00:07:07,120 Speaker 1: out initially and reported that from an initial call that 108 00:07:07,160 --> 00:07:09,400 Speaker 1: they didn't and maybe I'm wrong about this, that they 109 00:07:09,480 --> 00:07:13,800 Speaker 1: didn't see anything, They didn't make entry. At that time, 110 00:07:14,560 --> 00:07:17,600 Speaker 1: more people showed up, and that's when you actually hear 111 00:07:18,320 --> 00:07:21,880 Speaker 1: these phone calls, and Dave, I swear I can hear 112 00:07:21,920 --> 00:07:24,600 Speaker 1: in the background, I can hear these kids, and it's 113 00:07:25,600 --> 00:07:28,560 Speaker 1: it's chilling, you know, to think about, because now what 114 00:07:28,680 --> 00:07:34,200 Speaker 1: we know. Again, I always returned back to this case, 115 00:07:35,760 --> 00:07:38,440 Speaker 1: and I mentioned Columbus just a moment ago. You probably 116 00:07:38,480 --> 00:07:42,320 Speaker 1: know where I'm going, drifting back in time. I'm thinking 117 00:07:42,320 --> 00:07:45,280 Speaker 1: about piked In where the little kid walks up to 118 00:07:45,320 --> 00:07:51,320 Speaker 1: the door and you know, inside of the trailer and 119 00:07:52,560 --> 00:07:57,720 Speaker 1: you know, mommy daddy played in Zombie and you know, 120 00:07:57,800 --> 00:08:00,400 Speaker 1: and I can't help myself, you know, relative to that 121 00:08:00,440 --> 00:08:04,640 Speaker 1: particular case. And I'm probably super imposed on anything with 122 00:08:04,960 --> 00:08:07,520 Speaker 1: a child in it now because that was so over 123 00:08:07,560 --> 00:08:09,520 Speaker 1: the top. You had kids in that case that were 124 00:08:09,920 --> 00:08:14,520 Speaker 1: you know, infants that were covered in blood. And I 125 00:08:14,560 --> 00:08:16,880 Speaker 1: think about this case. You know, what have these kids 126 00:08:16,920 --> 00:08:20,560 Speaker 1: born witness to at this point in tom you know? 127 00:08:20,960 --> 00:08:27,160 Speaker 1: And I guess I guess the bigger question is why 128 00:08:27,480 --> 00:08:31,840 Speaker 1: was no harm perpetrated on them? And that's I think 129 00:08:31,920 --> 00:08:33,640 Speaker 1: to me, I don't know how you feel about I'd 130 00:08:33,679 --> 00:08:36,680 Speaker 1: love to hear your thoughts. That's a that's a big 131 00:08:36,679 --> 00:08:37,360 Speaker 1: insight to me. 132 00:08:38,080 --> 00:08:43,960 Speaker 2: Well, you know what, Joe, no threat. I have to 133 00:08:44,080 --> 00:08:48,720 Speaker 2: think based on the very we know so little about this, Okay. 134 00:08:49,120 --> 00:08:51,800 Speaker 2: What we know is that Spencer Teppi is thirty seven, 135 00:08:51,880 --> 00:08:54,520 Speaker 2: Monique is thirty nine, and they've got two kids. Yeah, right, 136 00:08:54,559 --> 00:08:57,800 Speaker 2: and that's what we know. We know that he is 137 00:08:57,840 --> 00:09:01,840 Speaker 2: an upstanding dentist, well thought of in the community. It 138 00:09:01,920 --> 00:09:04,199 Speaker 2: was his boss, the owner of the dental place, that 139 00:09:04,400 --> 00:09:08,400 Speaker 2: called from Florida by the way, Yeah, because he didn't 140 00:09:08,440 --> 00:09:11,640 Speaker 2: show up. He didn't show up to work, which you know, 141 00:09:12,960 --> 00:09:15,480 Speaker 2: it's one of those things where again we have a 142 00:09:15,559 --> 00:09:18,600 Speaker 2: standard operating procedure of life. I know what to expect. 143 00:09:18,679 --> 00:09:22,080 Speaker 1: Can I say something about entnists real quick? Pleaseis dennists 144 00:09:22,240 --> 00:09:25,080 Speaker 1: tend to be I think more so than medical doctors, 145 00:09:26,040 --> 00:09:29,400 Speaker 1: dentist in my mind, everyone I've ever worked with professionally, 146 00:09:29,480 --> 00:09:32,319 Speaker 1: and there's been many, they're some of the most fastidious 147 00:09:32,360 --> 00:09:35,360 Speaker 1: people that I don't know if it has to do 148 00:09:35,440 --> 00:09:38,880 Speaker 1: with walking, working in small spaces with tiny tools or 149 00:09:38,920 --> 00:09:43,240 Speaker 1: whatever it is. They are very, very ordered. And I 150 00:09:43,280 --> 00:09:44,760 Speaker 1: know that there are people out there saying, well, you 151 00:09:44,840 --> 00:09:47,720 Speaker 1: don't know about the dentist office I work in, but 152 00:09:47,840 --> 00:09:50,960 Speaker 1: you know you compare it, and they are like right 153 00:09:51,000 --> 00:09:55,280 Speaker 1: on top. And so that's a big And the fact 154 00:09:55,440 --> 00:09:57,559 Speaker 1: I love the fact that you brought up that Monique 155 00:09:57,600 --> 00:10:01,160 Speaker 1: that could not reach her because she is the household 156 00:10:01,240 --> 00:10:04,960 Speaker 1: manager for this family. You know, she manages everything. And 157 00:10:05,000 --> 00:10:09,000 Speaker 1: I'm sure that you know he's I'm sure as what 158 00:10:09,080 --> 00:10:12,280 Speaker 1: a lovely person he is, Spencer, He's probably super nerd. 159 00:10:12,840 --> 00:10:16,480 Speaker 1: He probably is super focused as a practitioner on what 160 00:10:16,600 --> 00:10:19,440 Speaker 1: he has to do. And she's kind of like, Okay, honey, 161 00:10:20,000 --> 00:10:22,480 Speaker 1: here's your job, go do it. Let me turn the 162 00:10:22,480 --> 00:10:24,240 Speaker 1: big dial on your back, Go get in the car, 163 00:10:24,280 --> 00:10:28,800 Speaker 1: here's coffee. You know, God bless you go on about it, 164 00:10:28,960 --> 00:10:31,400 Speaker 1: that sort of thing and managing, you know, because I'm 165 00:10:31,480 --> 00:10:34,000 Speaker 1: that way. You mentioned my wife, you know, Kim is 166 00:10:34,440 --> 00:10:38,200 Speaker 1: always saying, Okay, you've got to be here at this time, 167 00:10:38,600 --> 00:10:41,559 Speaker 1: you need to go, or whatever the case might be. 168 00:10:41,640 --> 00:10:45,000 Speaker 1: And the fact that they cannot get her is a 169 00:10:45,000 --> 00:10:50,640 Speaker 1: major problem. And it indicates to me as well, because 170 00:10:50,679 --> 00:10:53,480 Speaker 1: the boss said, and this is something that kind of 171 00:10:53,520 --> 00:10:56,440 Speaker 1: rings in my ears. She said, it's the boss said. 172 00:10:56,559 --> 00:10:59,560 Speaker 1: He said that It's one thing if you can't get Spencer. 173 00:11:00,240 --> 00:11:05,400 Speaker 1: It's completely different if you cannot get Monique, because apparently 174 00:11:05,440 --> 00:11:07,200 Speaker 1: she would hop on the phone at any point in 175 00:11:07,240 --> 00:11:10,560 Speaker 1: tim if somebody calls, she's Johnny on the spot. So 176 00:11:11,000 --> 00:11:13,760 Speaker 1: you know, you couple that and now what we know 177 00:11:13,800 --> 00:11:17,000 Speaker 1: about these kids crowing inside the house. Dave's just absolutely 178 00:11:17,640 --> 00:11:19,840 Speaker 1: you just gut wreck. 179 00:11:20,000 --> 00:11:22,640 Speaker 2: And the neighbors. Now this is another part of this too, Joe, 180 00:11:23,480 --> 00:11:26,520 Speaker 2: get neighbors involved. You know, I'm not the most social 181 00:11:26,520 --> 00:11:30,360 Speaker 2: butterfly there is. Okay, I know my neighbors, but I 182 00:11:30,480 --> 00:11:33,320 Speaker 2: tend to just kind of keep to myself. I like 183 00:11:33,400 --> 00:11:35,440 Speaker 2: it that way. And me too, I would love to 184 00:11:35,480 --> 00:11:39,040 Speaker 2: live down a two mile long driveway that's got a 185 00:11:39,160 --> 00:11:43,640 Speaker 2: tonnel leading to my underground cave. Okay. Yeah, In this 186 00:11:43,679 --> 00:11:45,960 Speaker 2: particular case, this was a family that was looked at 187 00:11:46,360 --> 00:11:48,800 Speaker 2: with much favor by their neighbors. And it was neighbors 188 00:11:48,800 --> 00:11:53,040 Speaker 2: who came over because they saw police show up, Hey, 189 00:11:53,040 --> 00:11:55,280 Speaker 2: what's going on? You can't get up with them? What 190 00:11:55,360 --> 00:11:58,120 Speaker 2: the heck? And when the police left, that's when the 191 00:11:58,120 --> 00:12:01,200 Speaker 2: neighbors go back over there looking around, going hey, something's 192 00:12:01,240 --> 00:12:03,839 Speaker 2: wrong here. And it was a neighbor who calls nine 193 00:12:03,840 --> 00:12:07,160 Speaker 2: to one one and said, I see a body, I 194 00:12:07,320 --> 00:12:13,360 Speaker 2: hear children. And that's where all of this change. Now, Joe, 195 00:12:15,160 --> 00:12:18,400 Speaker 2: what we have been told thus far, and I'm really 196 00:12:18,679 --> 00:12:24,120 Speaker 2: really need you to because the police are still asking 197 00:12:24,160 --> 00:12:27,920 Speaker 2: for help. The police are saying, yeah, we've got you know, 198 00:12:28,840 --> 00:12:31,280 Speaker 2: if you have information, if you have a camera, if 199 00:12:31,320 --> 00:12:33,360 Speaker 2: you have video, if you were down this street, if 200 00:12:33,360 --> 00:12:36,520 Speaker 2: you were they're asking the community to step up. Do 201 00:12:36,679 --> 00:12:40,120 Speaker 2: you know anything, because Joe, what are the odds a 202 00:12:40,200 --> 00:12:42,360 Speaker 2: random thing like this is going to turn so violent 203 00:12:42,360 --> 00:12:45,200 Speaker 2: against a husband and wife and leave the children alone 204 00:12:45,280 --> 00:12:47,719 Speaker 2: and it's going to happen? Police say between two am 205 00:12:47,800 --> 00:12:51,400 Speaker 2: and five am. Now going to go on an assumption here, 206 00:12:51,679 --> 00:12:53,880 Speaker 2: they've been able to dial it into that based on 207 00:12:54,000 --> 00:12:58,199 Speaker 2: all of our behaviors. Nowadays, you know, they actually, they 208 00:12:58,320 --> 00:13:02,640 Speaker 2: being investigators, can determined pretty much when you went to sleep. 209 00:13:02,920 --> 00:13:07,520 Speaker 2: Based on TV video, your phone, things like that can 210 00:13:07,559 --> 00:13:10,160 Speaker 2: tell where you were, when you were and so they've 211 00:13:10,200 --> 00:13:11,880 Speaker 2: been able to isolate it down to this three hour 212 00:13:11,920 --> 00:13:17,880 Speaker 2: window between two am and five am January. Second, we 213 00:13:17,960 --> 00:13:24,280 Speaker 2: have a report Joe that Spencer was shot more than 214 00:13:24,320 --> 00:13:29,839 Speaker 2: once and that Monique was shot once in the chest. Yep. 215 00:13:31,000 --> 00:13:33,440 Speaker 2: If that is the only information we have about the 216 00:13:33,440 --> 00:13:35,320 Speaker 2: interior of the house. Of course, knowing that the children 217 00:13:35,360 --> 00:13:37,760 Speaker 2: will survived, because I'm going to guess that children were asleep, 218 00:13:39,160 --> 00:13:43,080 Speaker 2: what does that tell your mind? As an investigator? What 219 00:13:43,240 --> 00:13:46,520 Speaker 2: does that speak to you about the crime scene? Just 220 00:13:46,600 --> 00:13:50,880 Speaker 2: knowing that, I'll tell you what he goes to. It 221 00:13:50,960 --> 00:13:56,240 Speaker 2: goes to specific knowledge of not just the residents that 222 00:13:56,360 --> 00:14:00,640 Speaker 2: occupied that house, but it also goes to the layout 223 00:14:00,800 --> 00:14:06,920 Speaker 2: of that house. Whoever was involved has very intimate knowledge 224 00:14:07,520 --> 00:14:26,280 Speaker 2: of the lives of this family. I wonder sometimes, Dave, 225 00:14:27,120 --> 00:14:31,960 Speaker 2: I really do as a forensic guy, I really wonder 226 00:14:34,160 --> 00:14:37,840 Speaker 2: is technology going to make us lazy investigators in the end? 227 00:14:39,360 --> 00:14:42,360 Speaker 2: You know, because I look back on quote unquote the 228 00:14:42,440 --> 00:14:45,440 Speaker 2: good old days, you know, when you really had to 229 00:14:45,480 --> 00:14:47,920 Speaker 2: work hard to process a scene. And I'm not saying 230 00:14:47,960 --> 00:14:51,160 Speaker 2: that people still don't do that. What I'm saying is 231 00:14:51,280 --> 00:14:56,280 Speaker 2: that there are so many tools of the trade. Now, 232 00:14:56,560 --> 00:15:01,920 Speaker 2: I really wonder if instinctually we're kind of burying our 233 00:15:02,040 --> 00:15:08,960 Speaker 2: instincts relative to our reliance upon technology. And maybe that's 234 00:15:09,000 --> 00:15:13,160 Speaker 2: a conversation for another day, but I have to I'm 235 00:15:13,240 --> 00:15:18,640 Speaker 2: leaning into this idea now that with the Tepie family, 236 00:15:19,920 --> 00:15:22,080 Speaker 2: this is going to be a case that is going 237 00:15:22,160 --> 00:15:27,680 Speaker 2: to be heavily, heavily influenced by technology. Maybe I'll just 238 00:15:27,800 --> 00:15:30,080 Speaker 2: record that on a loop. It seems like we keep 239 00:15:30,120 --> 00:15:33,240 Speaker 2: saying that on a lot of cases that we cover, 240 00:15:34,680 --> 00:15:41,920 Speaker 2: but with phones and cameras in particular, I'm thinking that 241 00:15:42,640 --> 00:15:46,040 Speaker 2: it's that that's going to be your first stop along 242 00:15:46,080 --> 00:15:48,400 Speaker 2: the way. And the fact that they're looking for more 243 00:15:48,520 --> 00:15:51,400 Speaker 2: I think you said, Dave, the authorities are looking for 244 00:15:51,440 --> 00:15:54,200 Speaker 2: more any kind of imagery that they can get. And 245 00:15:54,360 --> 00:15:59,520 Speaker 2: that's that's the part I was really concerned with from 246 00:16:00,000 --> 00:16:02,920 Speaker 2: from the standpoint we've got a couple here who Okay, 247 00:16:03,240 --> 00:16:06,480 Speaker 2: maybe I'm jaded, but the minute I hear people talk 248 00:16:06,480 --> 00:16:09,640 Speaker 2: about a couple about how their lives are rooted in 249 00:16:09,680 --> 00:16:14,520 Speaker 2: love for one another and the family, you know saying there, 250 00:16:16,600 --> 00:16:18,080 Speaker 2: I just want to share this with you. This is 251 00:16:18,120 --> 00:16:23,240 Speaker 2: what family said. Brother in law says that they were 252 00:16:23,240 --> 00:16:25,920 Speaker 2: known for their warmth, kindness, dedication to building a life 253 00:16:26,000 --> 00:16:29,160 Speaker 2: rooted in love. They were extraordinary people whose lives were 254 00:16:29,160 --> 00:16:34,360 Speaker 2: filled with love, joy and deep connection to others. That's 255 00:16:34,360 --> 00:16:40,440 Speaker 2: what the brother in law said. Now one has to think, Joe, 256 00:16:41,840 --> 00:16:44,280 Speaker 2: what don't we know? What don't we know about this 257 00:16:44,360 --> 00:16:49,320 Speaker 2: couple that has a couple of small children. They're in 258 00:16:49,360 --> 00:16:53,800 Speaker 2: their late thirties. He's a dentist. I mean, there's something 259 00:16:53,880 --> 00:16:57,520 Speaker 2: we're missing because this doesn't just happen for no reason. 260 00:16:57,840 --> 00:17:00,440 Speaker 2: You know, you have a home break in or whatever, 261 00:17:00,120 --> 00:17:02,840 Speaker 2: her I get it, that's not this. We don't have 262 00:17:02,920 --> 00:17:06,760 Speaker 2: somebody barging in, you know, on a met or crack bench, 263 00:17:06,800 --> 00:17:09,040 Speaker 2: you know, killing whatever they can and taking whatever they want. 264 00:17:09,200 --> 00:17:14,800 Speaker 2: We've had nothing said about anything being stolen. We know 265 00:17:15,280 --> 00:17:18,560 Speaker 2: that whoever came in and did this, Joseph Scott Morgan 266 00:17:18,680 --> 00:17:22,199 Speaker 2: was able to leave the doors locked as he or 267 00:17:22,240 --> 00:17:25,919 Speaker 2: she left because when neighbors came by, they couldn't get in. 268 00:17:26,160 --> 00:17:28,200 Speaker 2: They could hear the children, and one of the neighbors 269 00:17:28,240 --> 00:17:31,520 Speaker 2: actually said he heard the children screaming, and yet they 270 00:17:31,520 --> 00:17:36,399 Speaker 2: couldn't get in. So whoever did this was able to 271 00:17:36,560 --> 00:17:40,600 Speaker 2: shoot multiple times and locked the door as they exited. 272 00:17:41,760 --> 00:17:43,720 Speaker 2: They weren't in a rush, No. 273 00:17:43,800 --> 00:17:49,199 Speaker 1: They weren't. And my question is is that whoever perpetrated this, 274 00:17:49,320 --> 00:17:54,000 Speaker 1: I'm really curious as to what was left behind in 275 00:17:54,040 --> 00:17:57,879 Speaker 1: that house. The video that I have seen. The video 276 00:17:58,040 --> 00:18:05,119 Speaker 1: that I have seen is there is a considerable amount 277 00:18:05,119 --> 00:18:09,800 Speaker 1: of snow on the ground. Right, Okay, snow. For my 278 00:18:09,920 --> 00:18:12,400 Speaker 1: colleagues that work up north, I've never had to deal 279 00:18:12,440 --> 00:18:15,399 Speaker 1: with it. I've only dealt with very few homicides that 280 00:18:15,440 --> 00:18:18,159 Speaker 1: occurred when there was actually snow on the ground. I 281 00:18:18,160 --> 00:18:20,760 Speaker 1: can hear my friends up north snickering right now as 282 00:18:20,800 --> 00:18:29,040 Speaker 1: I say that. It's one of the things that I 283 00:18:29,200 --> 00:18:34,399 Speaker 1: do know that they look for are going to be footprints. Now, 284 00:18:36,480 --> 00:18:40,159 Speaker 1: I'm very curious as to however this person exited the house, 285 00:18:41,400 --> 00:18:46,639 Speaker 1: if they got there soon enough, and I'm saying they 286 00:18:46,760 --> 00:18:49,360 Speaker 1: and this is good and bad. Just bear with me here. 287 00:18:49,520 --> 00:18:53,879 Speaker 1: You've got all the colleagues that are showing up. What 288 00:18:54,000 --> 00:19:00,000 Speaker 1: have they walked across out there? Okay, You've got Elliet 289 00:19:00,440 --> 00:19:05,360 Speaker 1: that showed up initially upon the initial call. Well, if 290 00:19:05,359 --> 00:19:08,000 Speaker 1: they're doing a welfare check, one of the things that 291 00:19:08,040 --> 00:19:10,359 Speaker 1: they'll do is they'll walk the perimeter of a house. 292 00:19:10,680 --> 00:19:13,320 Speaker 1: That's kind of sop for them. So what they want 293 00:19:13,359 --> 00:19:15,879 Speaker 1: to do is they'll walk around and they'll look at windows. 294 00:19:16,880 --> 00:19:18,879 Speaker 2: Well, do they go to knock on the door first 295 00:19:18,880 --> 00:19:19,560 Speaker 2: before they do that? 296 00:19:20,160 --> 00:19:22,359 Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, they will. They'll bang on the door. As 297 00:19:22,400 --> 00:19:26,120 Speaker 1: a matter of fact, it's something that will get your attention. Doorbell, 298 00:19:26,280 --> 00:19:29,320 Speaker 1: they'll ring it, that sort of thing. I'm wondering if 299 00:19:29,359 --> 00:19:32,920 Speaker 1: the cops did not hear the kids at that point 300 00:19:32,920 --> 00:19:36,480 Speaker 1: in time, because maybe that initial jiggle of the lock 301 00:19:36,840 --> 00:19:43,959 Speaker 1: metaphorically here, I'm wondering if that roused the children and 302 00:19:44,000 --> 00:19:47,199 Speaker 1: then you know, in the interim, think about horrific that is, 303 00:19:47,960 --> 00:19:50,639 Speaker 1: they might be fast asleep and then all of a 304 00:19:50,680 --> 00:19:55,080 Speaker 1: sudden they wake up as a police coming by, and 305 00:19:56,960 --> 00:20:01,840 Speaker 1: you know, suddenly they're faced with this horror. But you know, 306 00:20:01,960 --> 00:20:06,800 Speaker 1: back to what I was saying, with footprints and there's 307 00:20:06,840 --> 00:20:09,520 Speaker 1: snow on the ground. I'm wondering, you know, because the 308 00:20:09,520 --> 00:20:14,800 Speaker 1: cops would have kind of made an orbit around the house, 309 00:20:14,880 --> 00:20:17,440 Speaker 1: the exterior of the house, they would have looked at windows. 310 00:20:18,440 --> 00:20:20,960 Speaker 1: They're not going to make a entry. They might bang 311 00:20:21,000 --> 00:20:27,720 Speaker 1: on a window to try to rouse somebody. I'm wondering if, 312 00:20:28,520 --> 00:20:31,000 Speaker 1: first off, if it was a squad that rolled out, 313 00:20:31,040 --> 00:20:34,400 Speaker 1: if you had two police officers there, or if it's 314 00:20:34,400 --> 00:20:39,360 Speaker 1: a single police officer, And then points of egress and ingress, 315 00:20:39,640 --> 00:20:42,160 Speaker 1: like how do you leave this place? Do you walk 316 00:20:42,200 --> 00:20:46,159 Speaker 1: out onto the street down a sidewalk? Well, if you 317 00:20:46,200 --> 00:20:50,520 Speaker 1: walk down sidewalk, yeah, are there? Had the sidewalks been 318 00:20:50,560 --> 00:20:53,719 Speaker 1: swept as far as snow goes? Have they? You know? 319 00:20:53,880 --> 00:20:56,600 Speaker 1: Are they you know? Do they contain a lot of snow? 320 00:20:56,600 --> 00:20:59,000 Speaker 1: Because look, we're talking about a period of time. This 321 00:20:59,080 --> 00:21:03,719 Speaker 1: is a pristine we're talking about I think you bracketed it, 322 00:21:03,880 --> 00:21:06,919 Speaker 1: or their bracketing that you mentioned it from like two am. 323 00:21:07,359 --> 00:21:12,760 Speaker 1: They've kind of narrowed our spectrum down here. If there 324 00:21:12,840 --> 00:21:15,360 Speaker 1: was more snow that fell during the night, that could 325 00:21:15,400 --> 00:21:18,240 Speaker 1: have covered any footprints from the earlier in the day, 326 00:21:18,280 --> 00:21:21,040 Speaker 1: So what you would have would be rather pristine, or 327 00:21:21,080 --> 00:21:25,960 Speaker 1: you'd have the chance at having a pristine footprint. Then 328 00:21:26,000 --> 00:21:29,560 Speaker 1: you have workers that show up, they're walking around the place, 329 00:21:30,000 --> 00:21:33,080 Speaker 1: they're peeking in windows and all this stuff. Are they 330 00:21:33,080 --> 00:21:36,840 Speaker 1: touching anything with their bare hands externally? Doorknobs, because that's 331 00:21:36,840 --> 00:21:38,720 Speaker 1: the first thing you do, right if you can't get 332 00:21:38,760 --> 00:21:43,760 Speaker 1: somebody to come to the door and you are hearing kids, 333 00:21:44,359 --> 00:21:47,440 Speaker 1: and you're hearing kids inside. You know, my first inclination 334 00:21:47,560 --> 00:21:49,960 Speaker 1: is to grab the door handle or the door knob 335 00:21:50,400 --> 00:21:53,200 Speaker 1: and kind of shake it. Well, if the individual made 336 00:21:53,440 --> 00:21:56,359 Speaker 1: entry into the house that way, I'm not saying that 337 00:21:56,480 --> 00:21:59,480 Speaker 1: you would have obliterated their print, but there's a chance 338 00:21:59,720 --> 00:22:04,159 Speaker 1: that you may have overlaid a print with your own print. 339 00:22:04,280 --> 00:22:07,800 Speaker 1: And maybe multiple people did this. I'm not blaming these 340 00:22:07,800 --> 00:22:12,560 Speaker 1: people for it because they're they're literally being good Samaritans here. 341 00:22:12,600 --> 00:22:16,800 Speaker 1: They're they're trying their best to check out, you know, 342 00:22:16,880 --> 00:22:20,120 Speaker 1: their friend that's not responsive and his and his wife. 343 00:22:21,000 --> 00:22:23,920 Speaker 1: So you have to check all the points of ingress egress, 344 00:22:24,800 --> 00:22:27,760 Speaker 1: look for anything on the ground that could tie back 345 00:22:27,960 --> 00:22:32,880 Speaker 1: to a specific person. And if you can get that narrowed, 346 00:22:34,200 --> 00:22:36,679 Speaker 1: and if they find something that doesn't match up with 347 00:22:36,760 --> 00:22:40,840 Speaker 1: everybody else, you can get a shoe size off of that, 348 00:22:41,280 --> 00:22:44,560 Speaker 1: and maybe even not just a shoe size, you can 349 00:22:44,640 --> 00:22:49,919 Speaker 1: get a footwear pattern or let me just put it 350 00:22:49,960 --> 00:22:52,040 Speaker 1: to you this way, you can get the general overall 351 00:22:52,200 --> 00:22:55,560 Speaker 1: pattern or classification of the shoe in addition to the 352 00:22:55,600 --> 00:22:59,000 Speaker 1: shoe size, and beyond that, you can actually get a 353 00:22:59,000 --> 00:23:02,639 Speaker 1: wear pattern off of shoe because you and I. You 354 00:23:02,760 --> 00:23:06,080 Speaker 1: and I might wear the same sized shoes and we 355 00:23:06,119 --> 00:23:08,280 Speaker 1: could buy a pair of boots at the same time, 356 00:23:08,800 --> 00:23:11,160 Speaker 1: but the way you step and the way I step 357 00:23:11,160 --> 00:23:13,639 Speaker 1: are completely different. We're gonna have different wear patterns. So 358 00:23:13,720 --> 00:23:15,439 Speaker 1: that's another thing that you're going to look for in 359 00:23:15,480 --> 00:23:19,200 Speaker 1: a case like this. So, and the reason I'm getting 360 00:23:19,400 --> 00:23:21,280 Speaker 1: kind of down in the weeds with this is that 361 00:23:21,400 --> 00:23:24,600 Speaker 1: right now they don't have anything. They really don't buy 362 00:23:24,640 --> 00:23:27,800 Speaker 1: their own admission, and I think that it's really important 363 00:23:27,840 --> 00:23:31,760 Speaker 1: that you know, you stay focused on that now, Dave, 364 00:23:31,800 --> 00:23:36,880 Speaker 1: I got to tell you when the reports that I'm 365 00:23:36,920 --> 00:23:43,119 Speaker 1: hearing about what they found in that bedroom with with 366 00:23:43,320 --> 00:23:49,800 Speaker 1: these deceased parents, Wow, two of these things are not 367 00:23:49,920 --> 00:23:52,640 Speaker 1: the same. I mean, you've you've got you've got her, 368 00:23:52,920 --> 00:23:55,520 Speaker 1: and she's sustained. According to what we're hearing, a single 369 00:23:55,600 --> 00:23:58,960 Speaker 1: gsw to the chest right, all right, that's not what 370 00:23:59,080 --> 00:24:04,080 Speaker 1: I'm hearing about him. No, we're talking multiple gunshot wounds. 371 00:24:05,920 --> 00:24:11,720 Speaker 1: And I hate to maybe it's over usage, but again 372 00:24:12,200 --> 00:24:16,560 Speaker 1: the term overkill comes into play here. Why is he 373 00:24:16,720 --> 00:24:23,639 Speaker 1: perceived as the target in this particular case? Was the 374 00:24:23,760 --> 00:24:27,640 Speaker 1: end game to kill him? And they don't see her 375 00:24:27,720 --> 00:24:33,680 Speaker 1: as a threat, and then the children are unharmed because 376 00:24:33,680 --> 00:24:35,040 Speaker 1: I got to tell you, if you've got a mad 377 00:24:35,119 --> 00:24:39,840 Speaker 1: killer out there, let's just say you've got some psychopath 378 00:24:40,080 --> 00:24:45,200 Speaker 1: that's running the streets that is just howling at the 379 00:24:45,200 --> 00:24:48,400 Speaker 1: moon out of their mind. They don't care if you're 380 00:24:48,400 --> 00:24:52,919 Speaker 1: an adult or child. All right, it's indiscriminate. They're going 381 00:24:53,000 --> 00:24:56,240 Speaker 1: to waste everybody. Again, back to Pikedon. That was one 382 00:24:56,280 --> 00:24:59,000 Speaker 1: of the real interesting things about Pikeden is that you 383 00:24:59,080 --> 00:25:00,960 Speaker 1: had all these deat adult, but nobody killed a. 384 00:25:01,000 --> 00:25:04,040 Speaker 2: Child that was you know. That has stayed with me 385 00:25:04,359 --> 00:25:06,840 Speaker 2: because how you described all that and here we've got 386 00:25:06,840 --> 00:25:08,600 Speaker 2: a four year old and a one year old. Yeah, 387 00:25:08,640 --> 00:25:10,479 Speaker 2: you've got very small children here. And when you were 388 00:25:10,480 --> 00:25:16,280 Speaker 2: talking about maybe not being awakened during the two am 389 00:25:16,359 --> 00:25:18,879 Speaker 2: to five am time, gunshot might not wake you. But 390 00:25:18,920 --> 00:25:22,120 Speaker 2: you know what I remember back in the day living 391 00:25:22,119 --> 00:25:27,480 Speaker 2: in an apartment, oh boy, and having my downstairs neighbors 392 00:25:27,840 --> 00:25:33,159 Speaker 2: the cops showed up, yeah, and the banging on that door, Oh, 393 00:25:33,240 --> 00:25:35,800 Speaker 2: had me going to my door thinking somebody was you know, 394 00:25:36,320 --> 00:25:38,439 Speaker 2: and so knowing how they bang on the door to 395 00:25:38,440 --> 00:25:42,560 Speaker 2: get attention from somebody, that would wake up a child and. 396 00:25:42,960 --> 00:25:46,320 Speaker 1: I would think so, yeah, I would think so, dependent 397 00:25:46,400 --> 00:25:50,000 Speaker 1: upon but you know, this is a larger structure. I 398 00:25:50,080 --> 00:25:54,159 Speaker 1: think it's multi storied. Yeah, so I don't know. But 399 00:25:54,240 --> 00:25:56,160 Speaker 1: you know, there's a way that you and I might knock, 400 00:25:56,440 --> 00:26:01,280 Speaker 1: but there's the way cops knock has come completely different. 401 00:26:01,920 --> 00:26:05,440 Speaker 1: You know, for a variety of reasons. They're they're there 402 00:26:05,480 --> 00:26:08,400 Speaker 1: to kind of shock you. I think many times they're 403 00:26:08,440 --> 00:26:10,880 Speaker 1: there to try to get your attention, and they're there 404 00:26:10,920 --> 00:26:13,160 Speaker 1: because they've got other calls pressing. They want to get 405 00:26:13,160 --> 00:26:15,800 Speaker 1: this done and over with it as expeditiously as possible. 406 00:26:16,960 --> 00:26:22,000 Speaker 1: That's just a human truth right there. But there's back 407 00:26:22,040 --> 00:26:25,639 Speaker 1: to back to the environment in which the bodies are found. 408 00:26:26,480 --> 00:26:33,159 Speaker 1: I find the nature of the of the injuries that 409 00:26:33,200 --> 00:26:38,280 Speaker 1: are sustained by both of the teppies intriguing. But here's 410 00:26:38,560 --> 00:26:42,960 Speaker 1: what I do know. I know that there are two 411 00:26:43,520 --> 00:26:48,760 Speaker 1: big pieces of evidence here that literally might lead us 412 00:26:50,240 --> 00:27:08,960 Speaker 1: to the perpetrate. So, Dave, where does the science lead 413 00:27:09,040 --> 00:27:13,760 Speaker 1: us here? Where exactly are we going to find the 414 00:27:13,800 --> 00:27:18,959 Speaker 1: answers in the world of forensics. Well, I think, you know, 415 00:27:19,359 --> 00:27:23,359 Speaker 1: aside from you know, kind of the things that we 416 00:27:23,400 --> 00:27:28,520 Speaker 1: would generally think about relative to fiber evidence, any kind 417 00:27:28,520 --> 00:27:31,359 Speaker 1: of transfer evidence. There doesn't seem to be and again 418 00:27:31,520 --> 00:27:34,240 Speaker 1: we don't know this completely. There doesn't seem to necessarily 419 00:27:34,240 --> 00:27:39,320 Speaker 1: be an indication of a struggle like contact. This I 420 00:27:39,359 --> 00:27:41,800 Speaker 1: got to tell you, this feels more like an execution. 421 00:27:42,200 --> 00:27:45,040 Speaker 1: No forced entry, Joe, No forced entry. I do have 422 00:27:45,080 --> 00:27:47,159 Speaker 1: no forced entry between two am and five am in 423 00:27:47,200 --> 00:27:49,040 Speaker 1: the morning. We have a four year old and one 424 00:27:49,080 --> 00:27:51,520 Speaker 1: year old. I'm sorry. You can't get in my house 425 00:27:51,520 --> 00:27:53,720 Speaker 1: at that time without there being some force. Oh yeah, 426 00:27:53,720 --> 00:27:55,640 Speaker 1: there has to be mine as well. 427 00:27:55,680 --> 00:27:57,800 Speaker 2: I just can't. By the way, if you come into 428 00:27:57,800 --> 00:27:59,600 Speaker 2: my house between two am and five am, you're going 429 00:27:59,680 --> 00:28:02,760 Speaker 2: to die. Yeah, just letting you know ahead of time, anybody, 430 00:28:03,200 --> 00:28:04,359 Speaker 2: you let. 431 00:28:04,280 --> 00:28:06,360 Speaker 1: Me know what's in the refrigerator or anything in there. 432 00:28:06,400 --> 00:28:09,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's why you'll die. You think I have my 433 00:28:09,080 --> 00:28:12,360 Speaker 2: guns and gold? There you go. I'm a little I'm 434 00:28:12,359 --> 00:28:14,840 Speaker 2: bothered by a couple of things here, Joe. We mentioned 435 00:28:14,880 --> 00:28:19,720 Speaker 2: early on that we have the husband, mister Teppy is 436 00:28:19,760 --> 00:28:23,399 Speaker 2: shot multiple times while his wife is shot one time. 437 00:28:24,000 --> 00:28:29,159 Speaker 2: Now I'm reading a reporter here that says officers that 438 00:28:29,359 --> 00:28:34,120 Speaker 2: entered the home found both individuals deceased. Three spent nine 439 00:28:34,160 --> 00:28:38,080 Speaker 2: millimeter casings discovered at the scene. Of course, the children 440 00:28:38,080 --> 00:28:42,280 Speaker 2: are unharmed. But when I'm thinking multiple gunshot wounds on 441 00:28:42,320 --> 00:28:46,800 Speaker 2: a person, I'm not thinking too. I'm not thinking I mean, granted, 442 00:28:46,840 --> 00:28:49,880 Speaker 2: that does qualify as more than one, yeah, but three 443 00:28:49,920 --> 00:28:53,520 Speaker 2: shellcasings does not. I'm thinking pop up up, you know, 444 00:28:53,720 --> 00:28:56,440 Speaker 2: several times in multiple parts of the body and then 445 00:28:56,480 --> 00:28:57,760 Speaker 2: shooting her once in the chest. 446 00:28:58,120 --> 00:29:00,320 Speaker 1: Yeah. It's a bit confusing because the term and I 447 00:29:00,320 --> 00:29:05,080 Speaker 1: don't know if this is necessarily I don't know if 448 00:29:05,120 --> 00:29:08,560 Speaker 1: this is something that is the origin is with the 449 00:29:08,600 --> 00:29:11,520 Speaker 1: police in the framing, or if it's something that's been 450 00:29:11,560 --> 00:29:13,600 Speaker 1: made up to be a bit more salacious on the 451 00:29:13,600 --> 00:29:17,480 Speaker 1: part of the media. Because this thing, you know, this 452 00:29:17,560 --> 00:29:20,920 Speaker 1: case is like wil Fi right now, is everywhere and 453 00:29:21,040 --> 00:29:23,760 Speaker 1: you know, got to get them clicks, man, and so 454 00:29:25,680 --> 00:29:27,920 Speaker 1: you know, and that's I'm with you. You know most 455 00:29:27,920 --> 00:29:30,120 Speaker 1: of the time when I hear multiple and I hear 456 00:29:30,840 --> 00:29:33,640 Speaker 1: and there have been people that have stated the word overkill. 457 00:29:33,640 --> 00:29:36,600 Speaker 1: I'm not the first person to say this, Well, what 458 00:29:36,680 --> 00:29:39,600 Speaker 1: are our options here? Well, I think one of the biggest, 459 00:29:39,760 --> 00:29:42,680 Speaker 1: biggest things that we have to concern ourselves with is 460 00:29:43,320 --> 00:29:46,640 Speaker 1: do the individual fumble about in the dark? Are there? 461 00:29:47,040 --> 00:29:51,240 Speaker 1: Let me rephrase that before I go go with fumbling. 462 00:29:51,560 --> 00:29:56,160 Speaker 1: The idea is, are there do the number of holes 463 00:29:56,240 --> 00:29:58,640 Speaker 1: or defects in the body merry up with the number 464 00:29:58,760 --> 00:30:02,800 Speaker 1: of spac casings that we have. So if we've got 465 00:30:03,120 --> 00:30:08,120 Speaker 1: multiple entrance wings which can be proven that are entrance 466 00:30:08,160 --> 00:30:10,880 Speaker 1: wings by the medical examle we don't have that information yet. 467 00:30:12,640 --> 00:30:14,880 Speaker 1: And there's a whole segment of that that we could 468 00:30:14,920 --> 00:30:19,120 Speaker 1: do talking about the attitude, the attitude of the bodies 469 00:30:19,720 --> 00:30:26,960 Speaker 1: relative to the perpetrator, the shooter and the victims. Are there, 470 00:30:27,880 --> 00:30:31,920 Speaker 1: Do you have enough casings there at the scene that 471 00:30:31,960 --> 00:30:35,040 Speaker 1: would marry up with the number of defects in the body? 472 00:30:35,640 --> 00:30:41,640 Speaker 1: I think that's going to be quite compelling because if not, 473 00:30:43,280 --> 00:30:45,840 Speaker 1: did this person fumble about in the dark and try 474 00:30:45,880 --> 00:30:48,960 Speaker 1: to pick up spent brass? That's a big question that 475 00:30:49,000 --> 00:30:53,480 Speaker 1: you have to ask. Depend upon the platform, the handgun platform, 476 00:30:53,920 --> 00:30:56,520 Speaker 1: and this is going to be a semi automatic weapon. 477 00:30:56,520 --> 00:30:59,640 Speaker 1: We're talking about a nine millimeters pairbellum probably round. 478 00:31:01,240 --> 00:31:03,040 Speaker 2: And you give a law, is that gonna make a 479 00:31:03,040 --> 00:31:03,560 Speaker 2: lot of noise? 480 00:31:03,640 --> 00:31:06,520 Speaker 1: Jo? Well, yeah, unless of course it's suppressed. 481 00:31:07,880 --> 00:31:10,560 Speaker 2: You know, and never silenced trends. 482 00:31:10,680 --> 00:31:18,040 Speaker 1: Suppressed, Yeah, suppressed. You can never silence a weapon. Yeah, 483 00:31:18,280 --> 00:31:22,160 Speaker 1: you know, it's it's a suppressor that is on these weapons. 484 00:31:22,200 --> 00:31:25,880 Speaker 1: I hate it when people say silence or because you're suppressing, 485 00:31:25,960 --> 00:31:28,640 Speaker 1: you're knocking down the sound. All right, you're talking about 486 00:31:28,640 --> 00:31:34,440 Speaker 1: something that is that's probably supersonic, you know, And supersonic 487 00:31:34,520 --> 00:31:36,560 Speaker 1: means that it cracks a sound barrier. So when it 488 00:31:36,600 --> 00:31:39,040 Speaker 1: cracks a sound barrier, you hear a crack in the air. 489 00:31:39,160 --> 00:31:44,360 Speaker 1: All right, it's a little explosion. So or what are 490 00:31:44,400 --> 00:31:47,000 Speaker 1: they looking at? A suppressed weapon and that's going to 491 00:31:47,080 --> 00:31:51,680 Speaker 1: affect the ballistics of the weapon itself. Are the ballistics 492 00:31:51,720 --> 00:31:54,959 Speaker 1: of the weapon and the external ballistics of the round 493 00:31:55,000 --> 00:31:58,120 Speaker 1: that is fired into the body, it's not going. 494 00:31:58,080 --> 00:32:00,080 Speaker 2: To change them. They can be able to tell that 495 00:32:00,120 --> 00:32:01,680 Speaker 2: from the shell casing as they found. 496 00:32:01,920 --> 00:32:05,720 Speaker 1: No, no, because the suppressor would have nothing to do 497 00:32:06,040 --> 00:32:09,760 Speaker 1: with the ejected casing. Because the ejecting casing is coming 498 00:32:10,560 --> 00:32:12,760 Speaker 1: out of the port on the top of the slide. 499 00:32:12,840 --> 00:32:18,520 Speaker 1: So every time that weapon has discharged, the slide actually 500 00:32:19,520 --> 00:32:24,000 Speaker 1: jacks ford or racks racks backwards and it grabs there's 501 00:32:24,080 --> 00:32:28,640 Speaker 1: actually an extractor, a mechanism inside of the barrel of 502 00:32:28,680 --> 00:32:31,320 Speaker 1: the weapon or in the barrel housing adjacent to the barrel, 503 00:32:32,040 --> 00:32:37,440 Speaker 1: and it grabs that spent cartridge and cast it out. 504 00:32:37,800 --> 00:32:41,400 Speaker 1: And while it's doing that, the slide is slamming forward 505 00:32:41,520 --> 00:32:44,240 Speaker 1: all the while from the magazine that's the that's in 506 00:32:44,280 --> 00:32:48,760 Speaker 1: the grip. It's spring loaded, so it's pushing another live 507 00:32:48,880 --> 00:32:51,560 Speaker 1: round in. And this happens in the twinkling of an eye. 508 00:32:52,160 --> 00:32:55,040 Speaker 1: You know, I urge if look don't believe me, I mean, 509 00:32:55,440 --> 00:32:58,360 Speaker 1: I'm lying. I urge anybody. And of course I'm kind 510 00:32:58,360 --> 00:33:00,000 Speaker 1: of a I'm kind of a nerd. I could watch 511 00:33:00,160 --> 00:33:02,480 Speaker 1: thee sorts of things on YouTube all the time, go 512 00:33:02,600 --> 00:33:07,800 Speaker 1: to super slow mode images of semi automatic handguns being fired, 513 00:33:07,800 --> 00:33:11,360 Speaker 1: and you'll see the ejection process and it's really fascinating. 514 00:33:11,400 --> 00:33:15,560 Speaker 1: You can get an idea and think about ejection of brass. 515 00:33:16,640 --> 00:33:21,240 Speaker 1: Is this unpredictable? Okay? Now once it and a lot 516 00:33:21,240 --> 00:33:24,280 Speaker 1: of that is dependent upon the shooter, how they're holding 517 00:33:24,320 --> 00:33:27,600 Speaker 1: the weapon. But even the strongest among us that are 518 00:33:27,640 --> 00:33:30,600 Speaker 1: firing a weapon, you're going to deal with some type 519 00:33:30,600 --> 00:33:34,520 Speaker 1: of recoil event might be minimal, and you actually have 520 00:33:34,600 --> 00:33:37,840 Speaker 1: to readjust you have to readjust your hand every time. 521 00:33:38,040 --> 00:33:40,120 Speaker 1: If you're trying to keep it on target. It can 522 00:33:40,160 --> 00:33:45,040 Speaker 1: be in a minuscule way, but you have to readjust 523 00:33:45,080 --> 00:33:48,280 Speaker 1: and you're moving too, Okay, you're moving at the same time. 524 00:33:48,360 --> 00:33:50,800 Speaker 1: So this brass is being spent out into the air 525 00:33:51,160 --> 00:33:54,040 Speaker 1: and then it's unpredictable when it strikes the ground. So 526 00:33:54,080 --> 00:33:57,160 Speaker 1: if they had like a hardwood floor, if they had 527 00:33:57,360 --> 00:34:00,600 Speaker 1: marble or some other kind of stone that's got grout, 528 00:34:01,760 --> 00:34:05,360 Speaker 1: If they've got carpet, okay, our carpets on the floor, 529 00:34:05,480 --> 00:34:09,560 Speaker 1: you know, like rugs, that's going to affect the distribution 530 00:34:09,960 --> 00:34:12,920 Speaker 1: of this. Then you factor in the cylindrical shape of 531 00:34:12,920 --> 00:34:15,879 Speaker 1: the brass, and you know what edge is it going 532 00:34:15,920 --> 00:34:18,600 Speaker 1: to hit? Okay, So there are all these factors that 533 00:34:18,640 --> 00:34:21,680 Speaker 1: come in with a distribution of brass. There's never anybody 534 00:34:21,719 --> 00:34:24,040 Speaker 1: that ever tells you, well, yeah, I can look at 535 00:34:24,040 --> 00:34:26,799 Speaker 1: the amount of brass that's right here and tell you 536 00:34:26,840 --> 00:34:30,680 Speaker 1: specifically where there's their lying they're lying. That's that's an 537 00:34:30,719 --> 00:34:34,400 Speaker 1: empirical and probability. Now, if you're in a military world 538 00:34:34,440 --> 00:34:38,800 Speaker 1: and you're dealing with a you're dealing with a belt 539 00:34:38,920 --> 00:34:46,799 Speaker 1: fed you know, uh, you know, machine gun Okay, and 540 00:34:46,840 --> 00:34:49,759 Speaker 1: you're in a static position. Even those big bits of 541 00:34:49,760 --> 00:34:52,400 Speaker 1: brass that are coming out of that though, they'll be 542 00:34:52,520 --> 00:34:54,719 Speaker 1: kind of gathered and there's no way, like you could 543 00:34:54,719 --> 00:34:58,839 Speaker 1: sit there. It's like flipping a coin all right somewhere else. Yeah, yeah, 544 00:34:59,120 --> 00:35:00,880 Speaker 1: you just say you can't, you can't do that. 545 00:35:01,000 --> 00:35:02,600 Speaker 2: So let me ask you about this though, Joe. What 546 00:35:02,680 --> 00:35:05,239 Speaker 2: are the odds that somebody that is in there to 547 00:35:05,320 --> 00:35:08,800 Speaker 2: do this kind of carnage? Okay? I mean, I cannot 548 00:35:08,800 --> 00:35:10,880 Speaker 2: think that they went in there for a glass of milk, 549 00:35:11,120 --> 00:35:15,279 Speaker 2: got startled and decided to kill two people and in 550 00:35:15,320 --> 00:35:17,560 Speaker 2: the middle of the night. So I'm going to assume 551 00:35:17,560 --> 00:35:21,520 Speaker 2: they were there with purpose and leaving three shells behind, 552 00:35:21,719 --> 00:35:24,000 Speaker 2: shellcasings behind. What about what are the odds that they 553 00:35:24,040 --> 00:35:24,760 Speaker 2: picked up others? 554 00:35:25,000 --> 00:35:26,880 Speaker 1: Yeah? I know, And that was the big thing I 555 00:35:26,920 --> 00:35:30,799 Speaker 1: was getting at. Forgive my senility, you know, because I 556 00:35:30,840 --> 00:35:33,080 Speaker 1: was talking about fumbling around in the dark. I start 557 00:35:33,120 --> 00:35:36,160 Speaker 1: talking about all these things that we talk about in forensics, 558 00:35:36,160 --> 00:35:38,879 Speaker 1: and I forget many times. But yeah, if you're if 559 00:35:38,920 --> 00:35:41,160 Speaker 1: you have an awareness that you're going to leave brass behind, 560 00:35:41,840 --> 00:35:45,880 Speaker 1: and you understand that the extractor marks that I was 561 00:35:45,920 --> 00:35:48,880 Speaker 1: talking about, Remember we talked about this in Delphi with 562 00:35:49,320 --> 00:35:51,680 Speaker 1: the extraction mark that was left behind when he racked 563 00:35:51,680 --> 00:35:58,120 Speaker 1: that sig back, right, they if they understand that concept, yeah, 564 00:35:58,160 --> 00:36:01,000 Speaker 1: they might fumble around in the dark and try to 565 00:36:01,040 --> 00:36:05,280 Speaker 1: pick up all spent brass. And I have had brass 566 00:36:05,920 --> 00:36:09,239 Speaker 1: that I have recovered in bedrooms underneath the bed. Even 567 00:36:09,280 --> 00:36:13,239 Speaker 1: though the weapon was fired outside, you know, of the bed. 568 00:36:13,320 --> 00:36:15,439 Speaker 1: It wasn't like somebody was firing under the bed. It's 569 00:36:15,520 --> 00:36:18,120 Speaker 1: literally I've had it. I've had brass bounce off of 570 00:36:18,200 --> 00:36:22,920 Speaker 1: things and go behind furniture and into closets and all 571 00:36:23,120 --> 00:36:26,279 Speaker 1: manner of things like this. So did the person have 572 00:36:26,360 --> 00:36:28,680 Speaker 1: the wherewithal or did they just want to get out 573 00:36:28,680 --> 00:36:31,560 Speaker 1: of there quickly? You know? Did they want to illuminate 574 00:36:31,760 --> 00:36:38,319 Speaker 1: the space after what they had done? Because Dave Big 575 00:36:38,360 --> 00:36:41,200 Speaker 1: reveal here, I think that this person knew them. I 576 00:36:41,280 --> 00:36:44,120 Speaker 1: just I don't think that this is and maybe I'll 577 00:36:44,160 --> 00:36:47,400 Speaker 1: be proved wrong. I don't know, But you're going to 578 00:36:47,440 --> 00:36:53,479 Speaker 1: tell me universal you you know, you're going to tell 579 00:36:53,520 --> 00:36:58,399 Speaker 1: me that just out of random, just let's pick a name. 580 00:36:58,560 --> 00:37:02,200 Speaker 1: I'm going to walk in and I'm going to essentially 581 00:37:02,280 --> 00:37:05,600 Speaker 1: execute two people in their bed, leave their kids alive, 582 00:37:06,080 --> 00:37:09,040 Speaker 1: and I know exactly where their bedroom is I'm not 583 00:37:09,080 --> 00:37:11,160 Speaker 1: going to make a mess while i'm there, and I'm 584 00:37:11,200 --> 00:37:13,239 Speaker 1: going to go out of the house sight unseen. You're 585 00:37:13,239 --> 00:37:15,520 Speaker 1: going to tell me that that's what's happened. And we 586 00:37:15,560 --> 00:37:19,840 Speaker 1: don't have any indication that anything of value was taken, nothing, 587 00:37:20,320 --> 00:37:22,120 Speaker 1: nothing at all, So that. 588 00:37:22,400 --> 00:37:24,200 Speaker 2: You know, what else have you learned about the bedroom? 589 00:37:24,440 --> 00:37:28,440 Speaker 2: Anything else besides that we've got a man with multiple 590 00:37:28,440 --> 00:37:31,359 Speaker 2: gunshot wounds and a woman with one. Anything else? 591 00:37:31,719 --> 00:37:34,520 Speaker 1: No, not to the basement on every show. 592 00:37:34,920 --> 00:37:37,120 Speaker 2: No, Joseph Scott Morgan is on every show. I mean 593 00:37:37,400 --> 00:37:39,680 Speaker 2: they've been bugging. I'm not bugging. They've been calling you 594 00:37:39,719 --> 00:37:42,919 Speaker 2: since this brogue to get you on, and I think 595 00:37:42,920 --> 00:37:46,920 Speaker 2: it's because there is so little information. I mean, the 596 00:37:46,920 --> 00:37:49,799 Speaker 2: cops are still asking in the neighborhood for help, Yeah 597 00:37:49,840 --> 00:37:50,239 Speaker 2: they are. 598 00:37:50,280 --> 00:37:53,240 Speaker 1: But here's the here's my big I think that that 599 00:37:53,280 --> 00:37:56,600 Speaker 1: the ballistics evidence is going to be significant in this case, 600 00:37:57,719 --> 00:38:00,200 Speaker 1: particularly if they can if that weapon has ever been 601 00:38:00,280 --> 00:38:04,719 Speaker 1: used in the porptrationian of crime? Right, was was he 602 00:38:04,760 --> 00:38:08,200 Speaker 1: targeted by somebody like here here's some money, go do this? 603 00:38:08,440 --> 00:38:13,040 Speaker 1: Oh wow, Okay, Well if that's the case, if you know, 604 00:38:13,080 --> 00:38:15,160 Speaker 1: you get the ATF involved in this thing and they 605 00:38:15,200 --> 00:38:18,880 Speaker 1: start looking at these recovered rounds, which they will recover. 606 00:38:18,920 --> 00:38:23,640 Speaker 1: The rounds they'll either be recovered out of the body, 607 00:38:24,080 --> 00:38:27,000 Speaker 1: or have been recovered out of the bodies, or they've 608 00:38:27,000 --> 00:38:29,920 Speaker 1: been recovered out of that mattress. Either way, they're going 609 00:38:29,960 --> 00:38:33,280 Speaker 1: to get recovered. You know, don't don't fool yourself. 610 00:38:33,400 --> 00:38:35,160 Speaker 2: Do we know if they were standing or laying down 611 00:38:35,200 --> 00:38:35,880 Speaker 2: when they were shining? 612 00:38:36,480 --> 00:38:39,600 Speaker 1: And it's completely unclear at this point in time. And 613 00:38:39,640 --> 00:38:41,799 Speaker 1: I understand why it is because they don't want to 614 00:38:42,000 --> 00:38:45,000 Speaker 1: They don't want to reveal a lot. But here's the 615 00:38:45,000 --> 00:38:49,400 Speaker 1: big thing that got released. Literally, this is what you 616 00:38:49,440 --> 00:38:51,400 Speaker 1: were talking about. This is what I've been called about 617 00:38:52,200 --> 00:38:55,880 Speaker 1: by some other media platforms and wanted me to comment 618 00:38:55,920 --> 00:39:05,480 Speaker 1: on them. Is this alley camera that they have. You say, well, Morgan, 619 00:39:05,520 --> 00:39:10,120 Speaker 1: what does that mean? Why are you saying an alley camera? Well, 620 00:39:10,840 --> 00:39:15,000 Speaker 1: the image that we're seeing the police are interested in 621 00:39:15,040 --> 00:39:16,879 Speaker 1: speaking to this person. I'll put it to you that. 622 00:39:16,880 --> 00:39:18,440 Speaker 2: Way, Okay, Yeah. 623 00:39:20,200 --> 00:39:24,720 Speaker 1: This area is behind the house or behind the area. 624 00:39:25,080 --> 00:39:28,719 Speaker 1: It's not out on the main draft alleyway called an alleyway. 625 00:39:29,680 --> 00:39:32,120 Speaker 1: And you've got an image of a subject that looks 626 00:39:32,160 --> 00:39:36,960 Speaker 1: like a mail they're moving as you're looking at the screen. 627 00:39:37,080 --> 00:39:41,640 Speaker 1: They would be moving from right to left. They are 628 00:39:41,680 --> 00:39:44,439 Speaker 1: walking in snow. You had taken a look at it, Dave, 629 00:39:44,480 --> 00:39:46,960 Speaker 1: and you said this person might be a little gimpy, 630 00:39:47,200 --> 00:39:49,520 Speaker 1: not really sure. And I got to thinking about that. 631 00:39:49,719 --> 00:39:51,359 Speaker 1: I don't know how you walk in snow. I don't 632 00:39:51,360 --> 00:39:52,840 Speaker 1: walk well in snow. 633 00:39:53,160 --> 00:39:55,960 Speaker 2: I was looking at that. I'm not seeing the snow 634 00:39:56,000 --> 00:39:58,839 Speaker 2: that deep. I'm seeing icy areas well. 635 00:39:58,840 --> 00:40:01,800 Speaker 1: It looks like it's pol up on the sides. And 636 00:40:01,920 --> 00:40:05,840 Speaker 1: I don't I don't really know. And you know, he 637 00:40:05,920 --> 00:40:08,279 Speaker 1: sits right Columbus, sits right there on that snow line. 638 00:40:08,320 --> 00:40:10,680 Speaker 1: I know, get my friends in Ohio. It's not on 639 00:40:10,680 --> 00:40:12,919 Speaker 1: the snow line, but it's right there on that snow line, 640 00:40:12,960 --> 00:40:14,920 Speaker 1: you know where it can get really really bad, or 641 00:40:15,080 --> 00:40:19,520 Speaker 1: you know, can stay like southern Ohio. And I'm wondering 642 00:40:20,560 --> 00:40:23,920 Speaker 1: how much snow had fallen and how with what, you know, 643 00:40:24,239 --> 00:40:26,520 Speaker 1: what was the impact of that area. Maybe I'm making 644 00:40:26,560 --> 00:40:27,560 Speaker 1: too much out of that. 645 00:40:27,520 --> 00:40:29,759 Speaker 2: But I think you have to make everything out of 646 00:40:29,800 --> 00:40:30,480 Speaker 2: everything you. 647 00:40:30,440 --> 00:40:32,759 Speaker 1: Have to because there's nothing to really hang your hat 648 00:40:32,800 --> 00:40:33,359 Speaker 1: on right now. 649 00:40:33,440 --> 00:40:35,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, I saw him looking down while he was walking. 650 00:40:35,320 --> 00:40:38,560 Speaker 2: He's wearing a hat looking down, and I'm seeing a 651 00:40:38,680 --> 00:40:41,239 Speaker 2: lumbering side to side. That's what I'm seeing in that. 652 00:40:41,280 --> 00:40:43,520 Speaker 2: And I'm thinking how my grandson makes fun of the 653 00:40:43,520 --> 00:40:47,160 Speaker 2: way I walk and I don't realize it. And I'm wondering, 654 00:40:47,560 --> 00:40:50,200 Speaker 2: was this guy intentionally walking a certain way? Was he 655 00:40:50,280 --> 00:40:54,480 Speaker 2: trying to be deliberately relaxed, Because, to be honest with you, Joe, 656 00:40:55,080 --> 00:40:57,600 Speaker 2: if you're walking in an alleyway between two am and 657 00:40:57,680 --> 00:41:02,280 Speaker 2: five am at the same time a couple is murdered, 658 00:41:04,520 --> 00:41:07,160 Speaker 2: You're not getting away with this. You're not walking away. 659 00:41:07,360 --> 00:41:09,759 Speaker 2: You know you are the person they want, and you're 660 00:41:09,760 --> 00:41:12,479 Speaker 2: gonna have They're gonna look for clothes, they're gonna find 661 00:41:12,520 --> 00:41:15,440 Speaker 2: that hat, They're gonna find everything. And I'm just wondering, 662 00:41:15,480 --> 00:41:17,160 Speaker 2: you know what the heck, why don't we already have 663 00:41:17,280 --> 00:41:18,799 Speaker 2: in this day and age. You're gonna tell me that's 664 00:41:18,840 --> 00:41:22,680 Speaker 2: the only video. We've got, no cat camera cams. 665 00:41:22,920 --> 00:41:25,000 Speaker 1: And this is something else Keming and I were talking 666 00:41:25,000 --> 00:41:29,200 Speaker 1: about the other day about these uh flock cameras that 667 00:41:29,239 --> 00:41:31,920 Speaker 1: they're called that cities have set up all over the place. 668 00:41:33,920 --> 00:41:36,239 Speaker 1: I'm wondering if there are any flock cameras that are 669 00:41:36,280 --> 00:41:40,600 Speaker 1: in that have been installed that are in proximity to 670 00:41:40,719 --> 00:41:43,000 Speaker 1: this location that the city has been able to pull 671 00:41:43,080 --> 00:41:45,319 Speaker 1: now they were, I would think that if they had 672 00:41:45,640 --> 00:41:48,120 Speaker 1: clear video, because remember we got to go back to 673 00:41:48,120 --> 00:41:52,239 Speaker 1: the beginning. What they're saying is we need your help. 674 00:41:52,320 --> 00:41:54,799 Speaker 1: If they had really clear video at this point in time, 675 00:41:56,360 --> 00:41:58,839 Speaker 1: they they would say, we're looking for this guy. Look 676 00:41:58,880 --> 00:42:02,200 Speaker 1: like cleve been. There's a couple of things here. I 677 00:42:02,239 --> 00:42:07,439 Speaker 1: got to break down real quickly. So the idea that 678 00:42:07,680 --> 00:42:10,319 Speaker 1: this how the person is dressed or obviously dressed for 679 00:42:10,360 --> 00:42:14,759 Speaker 1: cool weather. They've got a hood over their head and 680 00:42:14,840 --> 00:42:17,360 Speaker 1: it looks like something might be under the hood. Okay, 681 00:42:17,480 --> 00:42:20,760 Speaker 1: I don't know if that is maybe a watch cap, 682 00:42:20,800 --> 00:42:25,960 Speaker 1: you know, like a toboggan, or if it's a if 683 00:42:26,000 --> 00:42:29,120 Speaker 1: it's some kind of other cap that's covered with the hood. 684 00:42:29,560 --> 00:42:32,640 Speaker 1: And Dave, if you look, if you look at the mouth, 685 00:42:32,800 --> 00:42:36,600 Speaker 1: the mouth area, I swear it's covered. Yeah, it's I've 686 00:42:36,600 --> 00:42:39,600 Speaker 1: got a screen shot. One of the news agencies sent 687 00:42:39,680 --> 00:42:41,239 Speaker 1: it to me and they said, hey, look at this 688 00:42:41,320 --> 00:42:43,680 Speaker 1: and tell this. Tell me what you see. And I couldn't. 689 00:42:43,920 --> 00:42:46,399 Speaker 1: It's hard to make out the screenshot that they sent me. 690 00:42:46,920 --> 00:42:49,200 Speaker 1: It looks as though it could be one of those 691 00:42:49,440 --> 00:42:52,279 Speaker 1: damn masks they made everybody wear, you know, back during 692 00:42:52,320 --> 00:42:56,400 Speaker 1: the pandemic. Now, I can't remember the name of the 693 00:42:56,520 --> 00:42:59,799 Speaker 1: end whatever, it doesn't matter, but anyway, is it? Is 694 00:42:59,800 --> 00:43:02,799 Speaker 1: it that? And the mask looks dark as well, and 695 00:43:02,880 --> 00:43:06,279 Speaker 1: I know they I've seen mask like that. Or then 696 00:43:06,360 --> 00:43:11,320 Speaker 1: we've got the bala kava thing that could come into 697 00:43:12,080 --> 00:43:14,239 Speaker 1: you know where we heard that before. That could come 698 00:43:14,239 --> 00:43:17,200 Speaker 1: into play. And it's covering. You can see kind of 699 00:43:17,200 --> 00:43:21,040 Speaker 1: the eyes, but the head is always it stays. The 700 00:43:21,080 --> 00:43:25,600 Speaker 1: head stays pitched down. Yeah, okay, okay, So what does 701 00:43:25,640 --> 00:43:28,239 Speaker 1: that mean? Well for me, I don't know about you, 702 00:43:29,120 --> 00:43:32,000 Speaker 1: but when I go to a big city or even 703 00:43:32,040 --> 00:43:35,000 Speaker 1: a medium sized city, I'm not aware where the alleys are. Now, 704 00:43:35,000 --> 00:43:37,200 Speaker 1: I have no idea where alleys are. I see, I 705 00:43:37,280 --> 00:43:40,440 Speaker 1: drive by houses, I see the houses. If you ask me, oh, 706 00:43:40,520 --> 00:43:43,880 Speaker 1: did you see the alley behind the house? No, because 707 00:43:44,000 --> 00:43:47,160 Speaker 1: it's behind the house. I did not see it. I'm 708 00:43:47,200 --> 00:43:50,319 Speaker 1: not familiar with that. Okay. I go to New Orleans. 709 00:43:50,360 --> 00:43:53,040 Speaker 1: There's a lot of alleyways in New Orleans because the 710 00:43:53,080 --> 00:43:55,319 Speaker 1: streets are so tight. So you've got these alleyways that 711 00:43:55,320 --> 00:43:58,320 Speaker 1: people actually pull their garbage in some of the older neighborhoods, 712 00:43:58,320 --> 00:44:00,600 Speaker 1: they pull their garbage out to the alley and the 713 00:44:00,640 --> 00:44:03,040 Speaker 1: truck goes down it. You never see it on the 714 00:44:03,080 --> 00:44:07,040 Speaker 1: front of the house, but you have to know that, Dave. 715 00:44:07,160 --> 00:44:11,280 Speaker 1: The reason I'm saying this is that this guy is inobscure. 716 00:44:12,280 --> 00:44:15,440 Speaker 1: I think that he is purposed here. He's not going 717 00:44:15,520 --> 00:44:18,400 Speaker 1: to walk down the streets. He's aware that the alley 718 00:44:18,480 --> 00:44:24,520 Speaker 1: is there, he's kind of guarded. He's as best he 719 00:44:24,600 --> 00:44:28,800 Speaker 1: can do it. He's covered, and he's walking down the alleyway, 720 00:44:29,000 --> 00:44:32,760 Speaker 1: head pitched down and it's the alleyway. He's not walking 721 00:44:32,800 --> 00:44:36,040 Speaker 1: down the street to get away. So I'm wondering if 722 00:44:36,040 --> 00:44:42,000 Speaker 1: this is somebody that has been watching this house, or 723 00:44:42,040 --> 00:44:45,040 Speaker 1: somebody that's been there for a party, or someone that 724 00:44:45,080 --> 00:44:49,200 Speaker 1: has noticed them, or somebody that owes somebody money, or 725 00:44:49,239 --> 00:44:53,200 Speaker 1: somebody that's interested in the family and their lives. I 726 00:44:53,320 --> 00:44:58,360 Speaker 1: don't know, but this person had an awareness of this environment. 727 00:44:58,520 --> 00:45:01,440 Speaker 1: I think that that's at least to me, it seems 728 00:45:01,480 --> 00:45:03,440 Speaker 1: kind of obvious. I don't know, what do you think. 729 00:45:03,400 --> 00:45:05,960 Speaker 2: No, I agree, I'm watching this over and over again, 730 00:45:06,000 --> 00:45:09,200 Speaker 2: and we got basically three clips of the video of 731 00:45:09,280 --> 00:45:13,919 Speaker 2: him walking maybe four. Anyway, at the there's one where 732 00:45:13,920 --> 00:45:15,799 Speaker 2: he's actually it's right before you get to see the 733 00:45:15,800 --> 00:45:18,480 Speaker 2: back of him, and he's actually looking down and he 734 00:45:18,960 --> 00:45:20,680 Speaker 2: pulls his hat down, he pulls it down a little 735 00:45:20,680 --> 00:45:22,799 Speaker 2: bit further. You know, it's just there's I think you're 736 00:45:22,880 --> 00:45:27,400 Speaker 2: right because common sense dictates that, Hey, you're in a 737 00:45:27,520 --> 00:45:32,799 Speaker 2: home that has two sleeping adults, two children, and you 738 00:45:32,880 --> 00:45:35,480 Speaker 2: kill the adults, leave the children alone, you don't take anything. 739 00:45:35,640 --> 00:45:37,839 Speaker 2: You lock the doors as you leave because nobody can 740 00:45:37,840 --> 00:45:40,680 Speaker 2: get in, so no forced entry locking behind you. I mean, 741 00:45:41,040 --> 00:45:43,640 Speaker 2: this has got to be somebody who knows what they're doing, 742 00:45:43,719 --> 00:45:46,640 Speaker 2: knows who they're doing, and why. Now the question is 743 00:45:46,760 --> 00:45:48,360 Speaker 2: what are we going to uncover? And I hate to 744 00:45:48,400 --> 00:45:51,919 Speaker 2: say this about the All American couple, because that's what's 745 00:45:51,960 --> 00:45:54,680 Speaker 2: gonna happen. Now, somebody's gonna come up and say, well, 746 00:45:54,800 --> 00:45:55,920 Speaker 2: you know, yeah. 747 00:45:55,800 --> 00:45:59,200 Speaker 1: I know, and listen, that's that's dude. That is standard 748 00:45:59,239 --> 00:46:03,439 Speaker 1: fair and all of these cases and sometimes yeah, there's 749 00:46:03,480 --> 00:46:08,320 Speaker 1: information there, but sometimes again it's clickbait in order, and 750 00:46:09,080 --> 00:46:11,520 Speaker 1: they wound up doing a character assassination on the people. 751 00:46:11,640 --> 00:46:13,960 Speaker 1: And I hope that that I hope that that's not 752 00:46:14,040 --> 00:46:16,919 Speaker 1: the case. I hope that people will remain focused. It's 753 00:46:16,920 --> 00:46:18,400 Speaker 1: not like anybody has an excuse for that. 754 00:46:18,960 --> 00:46:19,200 Speaker 2: More. 755 00:46:19,360 --> 00:46:22,399 Speaker 1: We've been doing this for a long long time. There's 756 00:46:22,400 --> 00:46:26,080 Speaker 1: certain ways people should understand that, certain ways investigations are handled. 757 00:46:26,680 --> 00:46:29,960 Speaker 1: And yeah, I mean people can speculate. That's fine, but 758 00:46:30,040 --> 00:46:33,319 Speaker 1: you have to be real, real careful about how you 759 00:46:33,400 --> 00:46:38,960 Speaker 1: go about doing this and getting information out there. I 760 00:46:39,000 --> 00:46:43,320 Speaker 1: think that it's I'm hoping that within the next couple 761 00:46:43,320 --> 00:46:48,799 Speaker 1: of days they're going to recover more videography perhaps of 762 00:46:48,880 --> 00:46:52,640 Speaker 1: adjacent reencams and whatever, you know, brand is out there 763 00:46:53,160 --> 00:46:55,880 Speaker 1: that can bring something to bear. Again, maybe there was 764 00:46:55,920 --> 00:46:58,440 Speaker 1: a test level on the street. I have no idea, 765 00:46:59,239 --> 00:47:01,239 Speaker 1: but let me say this to your friends. If you 766 00:47:01,680 --> 00:47:03,680 Speaker 1: and I don't normally do this on these cases, because 767 00:47:03,760 --> 00:47:06,279 Speaker 1: David and I primarily we focus most of the time 768 00:47:06,280 --> 00:47:10,040 Speaker 1: on adjudicated cases, I feel compelled to tell you this. 769 00:47:11,480 --> 00:47:15,840 Speaker 1: There's crime stoppers number for Columbus, Ohio, and let me 770 00:47:15,880 --> 00:47:18,560 Speaker 1: give you that number real quick. It's area code six 771 00:47:18,719 --> 00:47:23,760 Speaker 1: one four for six to one eight four seven seven, 772 00:47:24,440 --> 00:47:27,799 Speaker 1: and you can submit a tip there and they're not 773 00:47:27,840 --> 00:47:31,719 Speaker 1: going to ask for your name or contact information. That number, 774 00:47:31,800 --> 00:47:40,440 Speaker 1: again is six one four four six, one, eight, four, seven, seven, 775 00:47:40,640 --> 00:47:43,080 Speaker 1: And let me go one step further that I don't 776 00:47:43,120 --> 00:47:45,480 Speaker 1: normally do, because this is really on my heart. If 777 00:47:46,520 --> 00:47:50,239 Speaker 1: if you're a praying person, I asked that anybody out 778 00:47:50,280 --> 00:47:54,799 Speaker 1: there that keep these children in your prayers tonight. I 779 00:47:54,840 --> 00:47:57,720 Speaker 1: probably I'll close out every show like that that involves kids. 780 00:47:57,760 --> 00:48:00,520 Speaker 1: But this is really tugging on my heart this evening 781 00:48:00,560 --> 00:48:05,840 Speaker 1: because I feel feel for this family and and what 782 00:48:05,880 --> 00:48:11,040 Speaker 1: they're going through and hopefully, hopefully with the public's help, 783 00:48:11,400 --> 00:48:14,760 Speaker 1: if possible, they're gonna put a bag over this person 784 00:48:14,880 --> 00:48:17,200 Speaker 1: really really quick and get them off the streets and 785 00:48:18,400 --> 00:48:22,400 Speaker 1: dig into this and hold somebody accountable for this horror. 786 00:48:23,920 --> 00:48:28,200 Speaker 1: I'm Joseph Scott Morgan, and this is body bags