WEBVTT - Fins Flashback 2002 at Denver with Oronde Gadsden 0:00:00.320 --> 0:00:07.040 Factors were als, Patrick draw par Tuxtow. What a win 0:00:07.200 --> 0:00:12.160 for this Miami Dolphin team. Wow? What is up? Dolphins? 0:00:12.240 --> 0:00:15.240 And Welcome to the Drive Time Podcast, part of the 0:00:15.280 --> 0:00:20.079 Miami Dolphins official podcast network covering your Miami Dolphins. I 0:00:20.120 --> 0:00:22.320 am your host, Travis Winkfield, and I am here to 0:00:22.360 --> 0:00:25.599 bring you your daily dose of Miami Dolphins football. And 0:00:25.600 --> 0:00:28.080 on today's show, when you're flashing it back to two 0:00:28.080 --> 0:00:31.400 thousand two, taking an in depth look at Miami's thrilling 0:00:31.400 --> 0:00:34.560 win at Mile High Stadium, I'll be joined by Oronde 0:00:34.640 --> 0:00:37.920 Gadsden to tell us about that physical football game and 0:00:38.000 --> 0:00:41.760 the big place he made continuously in that win. All 0:00:41.800 --> 0:00:44.560 of that and more on this throwback Thursday, April the 0:00:44.680 --> 0:00:51.360 ninth edition of the Drivetime Podcast Dolphins. And before I 0:00:51.400 --> 0:00:53.840 get Ronde on, I just want to say this was 0:00:53.880 --> 0:00:57.440 my favorite Dolphins game, just from start to finish, sixty 0:00:57.480 --> 0:01:00.680 minutes of good football that I personally have ever seen. 0:01:00.840 --> 0:01:03.000 I was fourteen years old at the time, so maybe 0:01:03.040 --> 0:01:05.400 my grasp of the game wasn't quite what it is now. 0:01:05.720 --> 0:01:08.440 But watching that game, just the ups and downs, the 0:01:08.480 --> 0:01:11.360 emotions of it, the highs and the lows, and knowing 0:01:11.360 --> 0:01:14.759 that these are two teams to championship level contending teams 0:01:14.800 --> 0:01:19.000 that year with stout defenses, physical ground games, quarterbacks that 0:01:19.040 --> 0:01:20.880 could get the job done late in the game. As 0:01:20.880 --> 0:01:23.479 we saw from both of these quarterbacks. What a thrilling 0:01:23.520 --> 0:01:26.520 win that was in Denver. And I'll never forget going 0:01:26.560 --> 0:01:28.679 back to school the next morning. I was a freshman 0:01:28.920 --> 0:01:31.839 in high school and Miami got vaulted up to number 0:01:31.880 --> 0:01:34.720 one on the ESPN Power rankings, going to five and 0:01:34.800 --> 0:01:37.560 one after that thrilling come from behind victory in the 0:01:37.600 --> 0:01:40.640 fourth quarter. And this game didn't start very pretty for Miami. 0:01:40.840 --> 0:01:43.800 They were slow to get things going offensively. Ricky Williams 0:01:43.840 --> 0:01:46.279 had almost no room to run the entire night, twenty 0:01:46.360 --> 0:01:50.160 carries for forty nine yards on the game. But that defense, 0:01:50.240 --> 0:01:53.080 that vaunted Dolphins defense, that was a top five, top 0:01:53.120 --> 0:01:56.360 ten scoring outfit just about every year in those early 0:01:56.440 --> 0:01:59.920 two thousand seasons. They were as advertised with those two 0:02:00.000 --> 0:02:02.960 warnerbacks on the outside locking things up, and they really 0:02:03.000 --> 0:02:05.080 changed the way the Broncos had to game plan that 0:02:05.160 --> 0:02:08.000 game because you couldn't run your normal route tree against 0:02:08.040 --> 0:02:10.680 two good press cover corners. They had to run things 0:02:10.880 --> 0:02:14.480 crossing patterns and horizontal drag routes and things that got 0:02:14.520 --> 0:02:17.200 those guys off of their initial coverage, so it definitely 0:02:17.280 --> 0:02:19.839 impacted the game. And then you had Jason Taylor who 0:02:19.880 --> 0:02:23.320 was just unblockable all night. That left tackle, that poor 0:02:23.400 --> 0:02:26.040 left tackle trying to get his initial punch on j 0:02:26.200 --> 0:02:29.320 t was a futile effort all night long. You had 0:02:29.400 --> 0:02:32.560 Zach Thomas shooting gaps and making plays everywhere on the 0:02:32.560 --> 0:02:34.720 defensive side of the ball, and then the offense in 0:02:34.720 --> 0:02:37.480 the second half pick things up thanks to a pair 0:02:37.560 --> 0:02:41.240 of Ricky Williams touchdown runs, some big plays defensively including 0:02:41.240 --> 0:02:44.640 it pick six from Patrick Surtan, and several big time 0:02:44.720 --> 0:02:47.600 catches to move the chains to get drive started from 0:02:47.639 --> 0:02:50.240 Morande Gadsden, and of course it was capped off by 0:02:50.400 --> 0:03:04.760 Lindo Mare three yours and that was with six seconds 0:03:04.760 --> 0:03:06.960 to go. The Dolphins took the lead late in that game. 0:03:07.040 --> 0:03:09.040 And let's go ahead now and talk about that game 0:03:09.200 --> 0:03:13.480 with former Dolphins receiver Orande Gadsden, and joining the podcast 0:03:13.520 --> 0:03:16.720 now is former Dolphins receiver. He made five catches for 0:03:16.800 --> 0:03:19.760 seventy seven yards in that two thousand to win over 0:03:19.800 --> 0:03:23.680 the Denver Broncos two and each one of those catches 0:03:24.000 --> 0:03:26.880 was begger than the last, Orande Gadsden Orande? How you 0:03:26.960 --> 0:03:31.320 doing man, hey man, thanks for having which I appreciated. Man, 0:03:31.520 --> 0:03:33.560 I'm doing well. We we're glad to have you on. 0:03:33.639 --> 0:03:35.320 And we've got to ask you because it's, you know, 0:03:35.520 --> 0:03:38.040 unprecedented times right now with the way the world's going. 0:03:38.280 --> 0:03:43.080 How you doing. You're staying safe, You're staying healthy? Yeah, man, Uh, 0:03:43.360 --> 0:03:46.800 you know, staying inside as much as possible, Uh, trying 0:03:46.840 --> 0:03:49.520 to get out and at least, you know, dog keeps 0:03:49.560 --> 0:03:52.240 me walking, so that that's that's a good thing. And 0:03:52.280 --> 0:03:55.280 like my kids keep me active on this virtual aligning thing. 0:03:55.360 --> 0:03:58.800 But other than that, trying to stay in it and uh, 0:03:58.960 --> 0:04:02.600 stay away from from from the virus. Yeah. Man. For me, 0:04:02.680 --> 0:04:04.920 it's like I actually look forward to going for runs 0:04:04.960 --> 0:04:06.880 these days, which is not in my character at all, 0:04:06.920 --> 0:04:08.520 just to be out of the damn house. So it's 0:04:08.800 --> 0:04:11.200 it's definitely changing times. I want to go back to 0:04:11.240 --> 0:04:13.800 two thousand two with you here, Randi, and just first 0:04:13.840 --> 0:04:16.840 start with this game. That was, for my money, one 0:04:16.839 --> 0:04:18.800 of the best games I've ever seen. It was a 0:04:18.839 --> 0:04:22.240 big primetime spotlight a pair of four and one teams 0:04:22.279 --> 0:04:26.279 that both had championship aspirations and stylistically the matchup was 0:04:26.360 --> 0:04:29.160 so good. What was kind of the thoughts and feelings 0:04:29.200 --> 0:04:32.000 of that Dolphins team, that Dolphins locker room heading into 0:04:32.000 --> 0:04:36.880 that game. Um, we we've thought, you know at four 0:04:36.920 --> 0:04:39.360 and one that there was you know, a good start 0:04:39.400 --> 0:04:43.280 to us. So, um, you know, with everybody on the team, 0:04:43.279 --> 0:04:46.640 we thought we had a good lineup. We we thought 0:04:46.720 --> 0:04:49.800 we can go and UH to Denver and and put 0:04:49.800 --> 0:04:52.520 out a big Sunday night game. It was it wasn't 0:04:52.600 --> 0:04:56.240 Um wasn't a lot of games that we had big 0:04:56.279 --> 0:04:59.360 primetime games. So we look forward to showing what we 0:04:59.400 --> 0:05:03.720 had on on a big, big spot on TV. And 0:05:03.760 --> 0:05:06.080 what is the adjustment for a player to go into 0:05:06.080 --> 0:05:08.839 the Mile High City because of the elevation and the 0:05:08.920 --> 0:05:11.000 air quality in terms of what you're able to do 0:05:11.200 --> 0:05:13.920 with your breath and you're keeping your stamina up. What's 0:05:13.960 --> 0:05:16.520 the challenges for a player going going into play into 0:05:16.520 --> 0:05:20.120 Denver on the road. Well, I'm thinking it's the same 0:05:20.279 --> 0:05:23.919 for everybody. You're not used to it. It's tough to 0:05:23.960 --> 0:05:26.080 get used to. I think you know, you have to 0:05:26.680 --> 0:05:29.799 use your time wisely when you're on the sideline and 0:05:30.120 --> 0:05:33.160 UH offense sitting down and then the defense is up. 0:05:33.200 --> 0:05:36.520 You may get a little oxygen and get something to drink. Um, 0:05:36.560 --> 0:05:41.000 But I think, uh, you know, using get breathing method 0:05:41.120 --> 0:05:44.239 is change a little bit. You do big deep breaths 0:05:44.400 --> 0:05:46.839 and and do you know that through your mouth, and 0:05:46.880 --> 0:05:52.000 you just try to try to accomplished getting getting your 0:05:52.000 --> 0:05:54.520 stamina of just the best way you could. Well, the 0:05:54.560 --> 0:05:56.920 mental hurdle is certainly one aspect of it. But this 0:05:56.960 --> 0:05:59.560 game was eighteen years ago, and I still stand by 0:05:59.600 --> 0:06:01.680 the fact, as a fan of person watching on my 0:06:01.760 --> 0:06:04.840 television that this was the most physical game I've ever seen. 0:06:05.000 --> 0:06:10.400 Would you agree with that? Um? I played in quite 0:06:10.400 --> 0:06:13.560 a few games and it's definitely up you know, in 0:06:13.640 --> 0:06:16.920 my top three, I think we played a game, uh 0:06:17.160 --> 0:06:22.000 maybe at the Jets that was probably a little bit 0:06:22.120 --> 0:06:26.720 more physical. But I think as far as the uh 0:06:27.080 --> 0:06:32.200 hits and and the way we played that game smash 0:06:32.320 --> 0:06:35.240 mouths at the end and came out with a field 0:06:35.279 --> 0:06:40.160 goal to win the game, was was probably uh physically 0:06:40.400 --> 0:06:43.599 the most the most physical as far as it heard 0:06:43.600 --> 0:06:46.239 our team because we had three key players go down 0:06:46.320 --> 0:06:50.000 and so that being said, it probably was the most 0:06:50.000 --> 0:06:52.320 physical at the time. So you said something in there 0:06:52.360 --> 0:06:54.680 that was gonna kind of lead into a question I 0:06:54.720 --> 0:06:56.440 have later on my list here, but let's go ahead 0:06:56.480 --> 0:06:58.400 and talk about it now. You mentioned a game against 0:06:58.440 --> 0:07:00.720 the Jets. Now, obviously you play them twice a year, 0:07:00.920 --> 0:07:03.520 but the first game against the Jets that year, Rondo, 0:07:03.640 --> 0:07:05.400 you had the catch that I think everyone kind of 0:07:05.440 --> 0:07:09.360 knows you for that sprawled out, you know, completely extended 0:07:09.400 --> 0:07:11.560 catch you made right around the shortstop area of the 0:07:11.600 --> 0:07:14.280 infield there. I think it was Pro Player Stadium at 0:07:14.320 --> 0:07:19.240 the time. What was Can you walk us through that catch? Yeah? 0:07:19.240 --> 0:07:20.880 It was. It was a big play in the game. 0:07:20.920 --> 0:07:22.640 I think the route was for me to run a 0:07:23.280 --> 0:07:26.760 bow route, and if I felt the coverage was playing 0:07:26.760 --> 0:07:29.320 over the top, I turned into a dig and that's 0:07:29.320 --> 0:07:32.040 what I did. And I didn't get the point that 0:07:32.200 --> 0:07:36.520 Jade thought I was gonna um still running the goal, 0:07:36.920 --> 0:07:40.880 and so it was this second needed for me to 0:07:40.880 --> 0:07:43.520 try to get, you know, all passes, whatever we can do. 0:07:43.640 --> 0:07:46.440 We have been on a seven eight games losing the 0:07:46.480 --> 0:07:48.400 street to the Jets, and I was just tired of it, 0:07:48.440 --> 0:07:50.800 and so we were trying to get in field goal 0:07:50.880 --> 0:07:54.720 position and and so I went over and you know, 0:07:54.800 --> 0:07:56.440 did the best I could to catch the ball. I 0:07:56.480 --> 0:07:58.560 wish I had stayed on my feet in school, but 0:07:58.680 --> 0:08:01.560 in the infield is kind of icy because of the 0:08:01.600 --> 0:08:06.000 gravel and the dirt and and everything involved. But you know, 0:08:06.080 --> 0:08:09.040 that would that would how I was to win. You know, 0:08:09.360 --> 0:08:12.520 I think the kids just came, you know, in the game. 0:08:12.680 --> 0:08:15.960 It was nothing that I planned to do. Um it 0:08:16.000 --> 0:08:18.320 would just you know, I wanted to beat the Jets 0:08:18.400 --> 0:08:21.920 that bad, and and we did. And it was one 0:08:21.960 --> 0:08:24.480 of those catches that maybe it's more common nowadays with 0:08:24.480 --> 0:08:27.640 the way those gloves are manufactured to have that sticky 0:08:27.680 --> 0:08:30.480 apparatus on them, but you made it before that was 0:08:30.560 --> 0:08:32.880 really prevalent in the NFL. And you mentioned a big 0:08:32.960 --> 0:08:35.920 victory over the Jets that was a blowout win. This game, 0:08:35.960 --> 0:08:38.720 the Denver game, the Sunday night game, and week number six, 0:08:38.760 --> 0:08:41.240 I think it was was a closer affair. Let's go 0:08:41.240 --> 0:08:43.480 ahead and pick this thing up. Middle of the second quarter. 0:08:43.679 --> 0:08:46.400 It's third down and eleven and the offense hasn't really 0:08:46.400 --> 0:08:48.720 got much going to that point. Then they dial up 0:08:48.800 --> 0:08:51.079 number eighty six, who makes a big conversion. Of course, 0:08:51.120 --> 0:08:53.600 you then the next play is a big chunk game 0:08:53.800 --> 0:08:56.640 to really get the offense cranking. Was there an adjustment 0:08:56.679 --> 0:08:58.920 that was made on that series, on that drive to 0:08:58.960 --> 0:09:03.680 get you more involved. Um No, I think that was 0:09:03.720 --> 0:09:06.880 the natural progression of the game. And I think, um 0:09:07.360 --> 0:09:10.360 at the time I was I don't even know it 0:09:10.480 --> 0:09:12.800 was a Chan Gailey the offense coordinator. I know he's 0:09:12.880 --> 0:09:15.920 back now, but UM, I think, you know, we always 0:09:15.920 --> 0:09:21.760 tried to, um, I guess, solidify the running game before 0:09:21.800 --> 0:09:25.600 we we started to throw passes and and and it 0:09:25.720 --> 0:09:29.000 was just trying to get the old line and the 0:09:29.080 --> 0:09:32.320 running banks Ricky at the time, you know, in the groove, 0:09:32.600 --> 0:09:36.440 and trying to see how the game was gonna be playing. 0:09:36.559 --> 0:09:38.880 And so I think it kind of, you know, the 0:09:38.960 --> 0:09:41.559 run set up the pass, and we felt that we 0:09:41.640 --> 0:09:44.000 ran enough played that the defense was going to stay 0:09:44.040 --> 0:09:47.200 the same. And so once once we saw the defense 0:09:47.240 --> 0:09:49.960 which stayed the same, thing, we knew we could use certain, 0:09:50.640 --> 0:09:53.240 uh certain schemes to pass. And I think one of 0:09:53.280 --> 0:09:55.760 the reasons that the offenses slow start in that game 0:09:55.880 --> 0:09:58.920 wasn't really impacted on the scoreboard was because of that 0:09:59.000 --> 0:10:01.920 vaunted Dolphins de It's led by Jason Taylor, Zach Thomas, 0:10:02.160 --> 0:10:04.800 and of course the two cornerbacks and Patrick Curtain and 0:10:04.880 --> 0:10:07.160 Sam Madison What was it like for you going up 0:10:07.200 --> 0:10:09.800 against those two guys in practice every day because these 0:10:09.800 --> 0:10:15.040 guys were mugging dudes throughout that game. Yeah, they do 0:10:15.160 --> 0:10:17.880 the same thing in practice. Man. To be quite honest, 0:10:18.480 --> 0:10:24.079 you know, if anything attributed to any success that I had, um, 0:10:24.120 --> 0:10:25.880 you know, I don't want to speak for O J. 0:10:26.040 --> 0:10:27.839 But I think at the time, like O J and 0:10:27.920 --> 0:10:32.040 Chris Chambers even, I think it was just us going 0:10:32.200 --> 0:10:35.760 up against Patt and Sam every day. Um, that that 0:10:35.840 --> 0:10:38.560 made us better, you know, especially a man you know, 0:10:38.640 --> 0:10:42.760 and press coverage off was a different animal. But if 0:10:42.800 --> 0:10:45.120 you played press, you could batter believe we were ready 0:10:45.120 --> 0:10:47.120 for it as receivers because we saw it every day 0:10:47.120 --> 0:10:50.199 in practice against two of the best. I'm always reminded 0:10:50.200 --> 0:10:52.520 of Channing Crowder on the Fish Tank podcast when he 0:10:52.520 --> 0:10:54.920 would call Sam Madison tent on ten because he'd always 0:10:54.960 --> 0:10:56.520 called for ten on ten because he wants to go 0:10:56.600 --> 0:10:58.760 man up on this on the perimeter on his own. 0:10:58.800 --> 0:11:01.760 So you got a bunch of every day in practice. 0:11:01.800 --> 0:11:03.679 I'm sure they had two picks in this game. We'll 0:11:03.679 --> 0:11:05.400 get to those here in just a minute. But you 0:11:05.520 --> 0:11:07.640 cap off that drive that you really got started a 0:11:07.720 --> 0:11:10.760 round with a Ricky Williams touchdown. And you mentioned Ricky 0:11:10.800 --> 0:11:13.080 earlier establishing the running game. What was it like for 0:11:13.120 --> 0:11:15.800 the offense to have a player like that, a running 0:11:15.840 --> 0:11:20.560 game like that, to lean on. Ah man, it was great. 0:11:20.679 --> 0:11:23.160 You know, I don't know if it was the best 0:11:23.200 --> 0:11:25.160 thing to do. You know, as a receiver, we want 0:11:25.160 --> 0:11:28.400 to get the ball too, but having Ricky back there, 0:11:28.440 --> 0:11:31.560 you know, he was a workhorse. He carried a load. 0:11:31.640 --> 0:11:34.760 He definitely do a heavy lifting. Um. We we thought 0:11:34.800 --> 0:11:38.200 of it as as being, you know, a release for him, 0:11:38.320 --> 0:11:40.680 you know, give the guy a very and so we 0:11:40.720 --> 0:11:43.880 can get some passes. But you know, to have Ricky 0:11:44.080 --> 0:11:47.840 Ricky back that you knew, you know, with that defense 0:11:47.920 --> 0:11:49.640 and if we got in the lead and we had 0:11:49.679 --> 0:11:51.800 to solve the game away, well we had Ricky and 0:11:51.840 --> 0:11:55.640 that that that was definitely a doable situation. Ricky versus 0:11:55.679 --> 0:11:58.120 Clinton Porter, she had Al Wilson going up against her 0:11:58.120 --> 0:12:00.559 on the opposite side, against Zach Thomas. Just a bunch 0:12:00.559 --> 0:12:03.840 of physical, physical aspects of that game. And because of that, 0:12:03.880 --> 0:12:06.320 you lose a couple of receivers in the game. Chris 0:12:06.400 --> 0:12:09.480 Chambers left an exited, didn't come back. James McKnight gets 0:12:09.559 --> 0:12:11.560 dinged up, but he did come back into the game. 0:12:11.760 --> 0:12:13.679 So at one point it was down to you and 0:12:13.760 --> 0:12:16.439 Diedrich Ward. As far as the healthy receivers that were 0:12:16.440 --> 0:12:18.480 active for that game, what is it like for the 0:12:18.520 --> 0:12:23.640 offense when you're down to just two healthy, active receivers. Well, 0:12:23.640 --> 0:12:27.520 it's tough because it kind of it kind of limits 0:12:27.520 --> 0:12:29.000 you to the things that you can do. And I 0:12:29.000 --> 0:12:31.559 think the defense knows that as well. You know, just 0:12:31.600 --> 0:12:35.440 like you said, playing ten on ten on ten, uh, 0:12:35.480 --> 0:12:39.320 you know, they would really play you know, I guess 0:12:39.320 --> 0:12:44.400 eleven on eleven on on nine, you know, um, because 0:12:44.520 --> 0:12:48.120 we only had two guys and and Diedrich was a 0:12:48.200 --> 0:12:51.560 veteran at the time and he knew what to do 0:12:51.640 --> 0:12:53.680 and we're gonna come in at but at that point 0:12:54.960 --> 0:13:00.040 we would only use uh, Diedrick to either play slot it. 0:13:00.120 --> 0:13:03.120 To me, I don't think we really went into a 0:13:03.160 --> 0:13:07.120 bunch of him outside and me outside, So I think 0:13:07.160 --> 0:13:09.640 it was it was tough, but because we were both 0:13:09.800 --> 0:13:12.040 vets at the time, I think it made it easier 0:13:12.080 --> 0:13:15.440 on the offense. But it is tough when you kind 0:13:15.480 --> 0:13:18.079 of scale it down just so you have two healthy receivers. 0:13:18.320 --> 0:13:20.959 And then right after Sam Madison makes that interception to 0:13:21.040 --> 0:13:23.160 kind of get things going back to the Dolphins offense. 0:13:23.400 --> 0:13:25.760 You had the you know, the drive starters, one of 0:13:25.760 --> 0:13:27.920 the most important plays of any drive, and you had 0:13:27.920 --> 0:13:29.920 the big catch to get the chains going and get 0:13:29.920 --> 0:13:33.040 the offense rolling on that series. Was was that part 0:13:33.080 --> 0:13:34.720 of the game plan at that point of the game, 0:13:34.800 --> 0:13:36.480 to say, hey, we gotta get this thing going. We 0:13:36.520 --> 0:13:38.400 have to open up the passing game. Let's go back 0:13:38.400 --> 0:13:40.840 to six because you had so many crucial catches prior 0:13:40.880 --> 0:13:45.240 to that in this game. Yeah, no, I think we 0:13:45.360 --> 0:13:47.400 had that. This time. We knew we were in a 0:13:47.520 --> 0:13:50.640 dog fight and we had to play everything close to 0:13:50.640 --> 0:13:54.680 the vest. And and once again, you know, me being 0:13:54.720 --> 0:14:00.360 outside and you know, partly because my size, Um, we 0:14:00.360 --> 0:14:03.079 would try to get forced the defense to at least 0:14:03.960 --> 0:14:06.760 let me have the one on one matchups where everybody 0:14:06.760 --> 0:14:09.640 else wild plays on. And I think, like like I said, 0:14:09.679 --> 0:14:13.720 because we were running the ball. Um, whether we made 0:14:14.080 --> 0:14:17.520 you know, five yards or made three yards or even 0:14:17.520 --> 0:14:20.200 made one yard, um, we were running the ball. And 0:14:20.240 --> 0:14:23.840 they knew that was out intention because of you know, 0:14:23.960 --> 0:14:26.600 obviously because of the game plans we were playing. You know, 0:14:26.600 --> 0:14:28.560 if we had to score, we score. But we wanted 0:14:28.560 --> 0:14:31.240 the game to be close and tight because our defense 0:14:31.320 --> 0:14:34.400 was so good at the time. So um, at this 0:14:34.440 --> 0:14:37.200 point in the game, we figured that because we were 0:14:37.280 --> 0:14:40.680 running the ball effectively, the stacy to stay close to 0:14:40.760 --> 0:14:43.200 the box to try to help with run, which means 0:14:43.200 --> 0:14:46.280 they couldn't help outside and left me one on one. 0:14:46.320 --> 0:14:50.720 And you know, obviously any routes, you know outside with 0:14:51.440 --> 0:14:55.720 what I'm gonna go and say, under fifteen yards, I 0:14:55.800 --> 0:14:59.160 was pretty confident one on one I could make it happen. Nothing, 0:14:59.240 --> 0:15:07.040 nothing longer than uh listen after that, but uh, I'm 0:15:07.240 --> 0:15:11.080 fifteen Yeah, I felt pretty confident. So then that drive 0:15:11.120 --> 0:15:14.800 gets capped off with a touchdown from Ricky Williams, and 0:15:14.800 --> 0:15:18.280 then you come back and it is uh Patrick Surtang 0:15:18.280 --> 0:15:20.840 gets the pick six after Jason Taylor hits, Brian Greasy 0:15:20.960 --> 0:15:23.240 forces an Arran throw and you get that pick six. 0:15:23.280 --> 0:15:25.360 So you come back off that drive and then the 0:15:25.360 --> 0:15:27.920 Broncos go back down and score to take the lead. 0:15:28.120 --> 0:15:30.120 What are the thoughts going into that final drive when 0:15:30.120 --> 0:15:32.400 you guys had forty seconds on the clock and a 0:15:32.480 --> 0:15:34.440 couple of time outs to go down there and get 0:15:34.440 --> 0:15:39.120 that game winning field goal. I mean, you know, obviously 0:15:39.120 --> 0:15:42.920 we've we felt confident about it because, uh, I guess 0:15:42.920 --> 0:15:45.520 the biggest thing for us as a as a group 0:15:45.600 --> 0:15:50.120 was James McKnight came back, so we had an extra 0:15:50.280 --> 0:15:53.640 extra outside guy and he was our deep threat. So um, 0:15:53.720 --> 0:15:58.560 we felt confident that we can you know, uh go 0:15:58.640 --> 0:16:00.880 down the field and at least in position for a 0:16:00.920 --> 0:16:04.680 field goal. And so, you know, like the series before, 0:16:05.360 --> 0:16:07.400 like all right, our defense is out there, they looked 0:16:07.400 --> 0:16:09.440 like they're gonna stop them. You know, they're not gonna 0:16:09.480 --> 0:16:13.680 go you know a d you know, we get get 0:16:13.680 --> 0:16:16.120 ourselves huddled up on the sideline and go through the 0:16:16.160 --> 0:16:18.920 game and playing and how we're gonna get uh Linda 0:16:19.040 --> 0:16:22.880 and field and field goal rain. So um, we felt 0:16:22.880 --> 0:16:26.320 pretty pretty good that we could do it. And we 0:16:26.480 --> 0:16:29.320 went down and didn't. And the ESPN cameras actually picked 0:16:29.400 --> 0:16:31.320 up a shot on the sideline where j Fieler is 0:16:31.360 --> 0:16:33.560 getting his thumb taped. I have to assume that was 0:16:33.560 --> 0:16:35.760 the play where his thumb hits a helmet and it 0:16:35.880 --> 0:16:38.080 got broken. He missed the next five games. Did you 0:16:38.120 --> 0:16:43.520 guys know about that when that happened? Um? Yeah, you know, 0:16:43.760 --> 0:16:46.200 you know, you know about these things when when they happen, 0:16:46.280 --> 0:16:47.920 when you get to the the sideline, but you don't know 0:16:48.000 --> 0:16:52.400 how how serious they are. Jay, it is stumb on Heilmet, 0:16:53.440 --> 0:16:55.920 you know how you know, you know, you have your 0:16:55.920 --> 0:16:58.600 own things to worry about, because I mean, I missed 0:16:58.600 --> 0:17:01.200 the next five games to sweat was like had surgery 0:17:01.240 --> 0:17:03.320 on my risk. I told a legament that my risk 0:17:03.760 --> 0:17:08.520 that game. So we it was a knockdown, drag out fight. 0:17:08.560 --> 0:17:11.480 It was. It was a bank bang kind of game. 0:17:11.520 --> 0:17:13.520 And those are games you kind of kind of live 0:17:13.600 --> 0:17:17.600 for as a football player. I'm pretty sure half of 0:17:17.600 --> 0:17:19.960 those things probably not have I'm gonna say three forces 0:17:20.000 --> 0:17:22.200 of things that happened that game probably would not lie 0:17:22.280 --> 0:17:25.639 the day in the days and they would seriously find 0:17:25.680 --> 0:17:28.960 on to supend it. But it was just good hard 0:17:28.960 --> 0:17:31.320 those football and we you know, like I said, at 0:17:31.320 --> 0:17:34.400 the time, we were fouring one and we won that game, 0:17:34.400 --> 0:17:36.400 but we were five and one. We were pretty much 0:17:36.440 --> 0:17:40.040 on our way to uh good playoff seed, and you 0:17:40.080 --> 0:17:42.520 know at that time, but um, coming out of game, 0:17:42.560 --> 0:17:49.000 I know, um offensively, um, I know, we myself, Chris 0:17:49.080 --> 0:17:51.280 and Jay was out for the next few games. So 0:17:51.359 --> 0:17:54.440 that was that was that was a pretty tough price 0:17:54.520 --> 0:17:58.560 to pay to win out there. In Denver. But you know, 0:17:58.760 --> 0:18:01.720 you don't think about it, uh that way when you 0:18:01.920 --> 0:18:03.879 when you're playing, you just think about going to the 0:18:03.920 --> 0:18:06.000 next play and making it happen. I think that's why 0:18:06.040 --> 0:18:08.560 that final series was so crucial, because you guys were 0:18:08.640 --> 0:18:10.880 down so many guys or eventually would be come down 0:18:10.920 --> 0:18:13.080 so many guys, and you had a big third down 0:18:13.080 --> 0:18:15.960 conversion on a previous drive that helped move the chains 0:18:15.960 --> 0:18:18.800 and take some time off the clock, which ultimately impacted 0:18:18.840 --> 0:18:20.920 you guys negatively because you did have to go down 0:18:20.920 --> 0:18:23.320 the field in forty seconds. Of course you wouldn't know 0:18:23.359 --> 0:18:27.040 that beforehand. But that final drive, Man, that drive was 0:18:27.080 --> 0:18:29.679 so beautiful. McMichael drops the past to start it, but 0:18:29.720 --> 0:18:32.080 it actually saves some clock, so it's a good thing. 0:18:32.280 --> 0:18:34.760 But then he comes back with that big third down conversion, 0:18:34.800 --> 0:18:37.399 catching the ball way off of his frame and then rando, 0:18:37.480 --> 0:18:40.520 the ball goes right through John Mobley's fingertips into the 0:18:40.560 --> 0:18:43.439 waiting hands of Diedrich Ward. What was what I have 0:18:43.520 --> 0:18:46.080 to imagine, So fans were like losing our minds during that. 0:18:46.240 --> 0:18:47.920 What's it like for the players when you get these 0:18:47.960 --> 0:18:53.080 just highs and lows and backs and forth. It's tough 0:18:53.119 --> 0:18:56.480 but I don't. I don't think. Um, you know, fans 0:18:57.200 --> 0:19:00.679 take that into consideration, and I'll be the ones who 0:19:00.760 --> 0:19:04.440 can stay even keel throughout at all. You know, obviously 0:19:04.520 --> 0:19:08.760 performed performed better. Um. You know, you guys would always 0:19:08.800 --> 0:19:11.680 say he wants to be you know, the star and 0:19:11.720 --> 0:19:14.000 the spotlight. But you know, it takes a lot to 0:19:14.040 --> 0:19:17.000 get to that spotlight, you know, and even in the game, 0:19:17.280 --> 0:19:20.119 even in one game, for you to make that one catch, 0:19:20.200 --> 0:19:22.840 to make make it happen. You went through the highs 0:19:22.840 --> 0:19:25.440 and lo you you you you're human. You go through 0:19:25.440 --> 0:19:28.280 those emotions like, oh man, what we're gonna do? Like 0:19:28.600 --> 0:19:30.320 if we get you play it through in your head, 0:19:30.359 --> 0:19:32.199 we get stop here, we go down to score and 0:19:32.240 --> 0:19:34.840 come back they hold and then you know, you go 0:19:34.920 --> 0:19:37.959 through all those scenarios of your head and and you 0:19:38.040 --> 0:19:41.040 just hope when it's your opportunity to make a play, 0:19:41.080 --> 0:19:43.760 you you make that play and and so you know, 0:19:43.920 --> 0:19:46.520 those things happen. We we you know, I can see 0:19:46.520 --> 0:19:49.159 it from across the field, like you know, you stop 0:19:49.240 --> 0:19:51.479 and look and see where the ball is thrown and 0:19:51.560 --> 0:19:56.520 you see you know, mobile break on it, and oh yeah, 0:19:56.600 --> 0:19:59.879 good job. You know what we got. You know, like 0:20:00.240 --> 0:20:04.520 you know in basketball, no, don't shoot that. So it's 0:20:04.600 --> 0:20:06.840 the same thing. We all go through it. Like I said, 0:20:06.840 --> 0:20:10.240 the one to who you see that you know obviously 0:20:10.800 --> 0:20:12.720 you know the lead in the clubhouse with that would 0:20:12.720 --> 0:20:15.439 be Tom Brady. They you know, they stay even key 0:20:15.560 --> 0:20:17.080 or they don't get as high as the high as 0:20:17.200 --> 0:20:19.439 loads and loads and you go down and do it. 0:20:19.440 --> 0:20:21.600 But when you have that opportunity like in this game, 0:20:21.960 --> 0:20:24.120 you made the best of it as well. You describe 0:20:24.160 --> 0:20:26.240 my entire basketball career right there, get the ball at 0:20:26.240 --> 0:20:29.000 the three point line, pull for the shot, coaches saying no, no, no, 0:20:29.040 --> 0:20:32.280 and it goes that, Okay, we're good to go. Man. 0:20:32.480 --> 0:20:35.240 So okay, one last question for you, Randi. I always 0:20:35.280 --> 0:20:37.439 contend I was fourteen years old during that game, so 0:20:37.560 --> 0:20:39.159 give me a bit of a break here, But I 0:20:39.200 --> 0:20:41.919 always contend that was that was the best team in 0:20:41.960 --> 0:20:44.919