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Speaker 1: Welcome to Falcons Final Whistle presented by Zaxby's. I'm Will McFadden,

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Speaker 1: joined today by Tory mclaney and Tarren Walck. Thank you

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Speaker 1: guys so much for joining me. We're gonna be getting

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Speaker 1: into some of our pre training camp watch lists. The

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Speaker 1: first off, Tory, how you doing, Jack?

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Speaker 2: Oh, I'm good.

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Speaker 3: I'm ready for some football. I'm so kind of tired

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Speaker 3: of this. I don't even know, like purgatory that we've

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Speaker 3: been in where it's just kind of your speculating, you're

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Speaker 3: speculating and speculating. Now we finally get to see kind

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Speaker 3: of the pieces in a bit more of a live

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Speaker 3: action setting, not completely one hundred percent, but as close

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Speaker 3: as we're gonna get until probably week one.

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Speaker 4: I'm ready for my training my training camp hand yeah,

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Speaker 4: don't really, don't forget that sunscreen. Unfortunately, fans won't be

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Speaker 4: at training camp this year, which is really sad. I

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Speaker 4: really really enjoy getting to have those interactions. But I

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Speaker 4: think I hope that everybody comes to us for their

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Speaker 4: news because we will be there every single day and

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Speaker 4: we will have multiple pieces of content, whether it's podcasts,

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Speaker 4: whether it's in written form on the website, on the app.

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Speaker 4: I mean, make sure that you're falling along because this

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Speaker 4: is a training camp that I know I'm pretty excited for.

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Speaker 1: Oh absolutely, There's a lot of reasons to be excited,

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Speaker 1: and we're going to get into a ton of those

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Speaker 1: here in just a minute. But like you mentioned, our

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Speaker 1: plan for training camp is to be coming at you.

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Speaker 1: Every single day that the Falcons are on the field,

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Speaker 1: we will be in the studio breaking down our thoughts,

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Speaker 1: kind of sharing what has stood out to us. So

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Speaker 1: there's gonna be a lot of coverage, not just written,

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Speaker 1: not just video, not just social, but podcasts as well.

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Speaker 1: So everybody check that out. And if you guys are

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Speaker 1: only listening to this episode and you're not watching it

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Speaker 1: on our YouTube channel, you are missing the fact that

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Speaker 1: Tory way overdressed for this sccasion. I mean we clearly

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Speaker 1: said me under dressed. Yeah, we said business casual and

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Speaker 1: this is like full on cocktail.

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Speaker 5: At times, I didn't know we were going to be

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Speaker 5: potting today.

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Speaker 3: So the backstory is, I was I was over at

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Speaker 3: Fox five during the first part of the day. We're

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Speaker 3: recording this in the afternoon, so I came straight from

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Speaker 3: on camera in to now we're podcasting, and so I

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Speaker 3: kind of just stick out like a sore thumb.

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Speaker 2: But it's fine.

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Speaker 1: Oh it's great. I love it. So yeah, that's a

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Speaker 1: huge reason to make sure you are also watching all

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Speaker 1: of these episodes. But you can get them wherever you

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Speaker 1: find your podcast. You can check out the YouTube channel.

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Speaker 1: Like subscribes, spread the word. Let everybody know that we're

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Speaker 1: gonna be coming at you guys every single training camp practice.

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Speaker 1: But let's go ahead and get into today's main topic,

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Speaker 1: and Tory, we're gonna start with you. But basically the

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Speaker 1: plan here is just to go through the way that

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Speaker 1: college football has, like their preseason watch lists. We're gonna

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Speaker 1: be doing that for a variety of categories going into

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Speaker 1: training camp. What are you going to be looking for?

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Speaker 1: What is really exciting you? So, Tory free agents signing?

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Speaker 1: Who are you watching in training camp?

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Speaker 2: Here's the thing.

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Speaker 3: I was the last one to pick my free agents

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Speaker 3: signing that I was really excited to.

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Speaker 1: So, like I'm gonna learn at startin big.

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Speaker 3: Obviously obviously summer we'll get to Kirk, we'll get to

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Speaker 3: Darnelle Mooney, all of them. But I'm going with a

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Speaker 2: I know that's not like a big.

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Speaker 3: that's probably not the sexiest topic of which we could

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Speaker 3: we're kind of talking about the overall scope of how

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Speaker 3: his offensive staff, Because what I find so interesting is

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Speaker 3: the Falcons could have gone out and got, you know,

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Speaker 2: But they were very.

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Speaker 3: I tend to find very interesting for a lot of reasons,

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Speaker 1: I think that's incredibly smart, and it's almost like those

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Speaker 1: then the offense is totally capable of doing something else

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Speaker 1: out of that look. And the Sean McVay offense that

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Speaker 1: very heavy eleven personnel, you could conceivably have Kyle Pitts

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Speaker 1: But Kyle Pitts is your ex receiver, and I do

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Speaker 1: under the radar. Yeah yeah, you ran to the Google

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Speaker 1: But Taren, who do you have is your free agent

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Speaker 5: I was about to read yours I pick I did

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Speaker 5: a quarterback, Kirk Cousins.

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Speaker 4: I mean, I think that's the biggest apple I could

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Speaker 4: to do it. It was still on the table. It's

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Speaker 4: how it's going to operate. Considering how many times we've

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Speaker 4: appreciate that rinse, repeat, recycle. And this is hopefully their

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Speaker 5: That's like the one.

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Speaker 4: Position keeping the Falcons offense from taking another step forward,

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Speaker 5: He was the first free agent signing.

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Speaker 4: He, in my opinion, is the most important signing, and

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Speaker 4: only time will tell.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it's without a doubt he's the most

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Speaker 1: this is the player where Kenned Lee. I was the

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Speaker 1: didn't write down Kirk Cousins.

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Speaker 5: Are so ready to go into your player though.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, because I feel like we see him talked enough

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Speaker 1: And it's going to start in training camp. It's just

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Speaker 3: I was talking to him, this was probably back in June,

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Speaker 3: Spoke a lot about how comfortable he felt, which I

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Speaker 3: Kirk Cousins throws my way I catch. And it's like,

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Speaker 3: this is the mentality that he had going into the summer.

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Speaker 3: This isn't like, this isn't even going into a season.

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Speaker 3: This is somebody who felt comfortable months ago. So the

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's great to hear that he already has level

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Speaker 1: to talk about Darnol Mooney, So let's go ahead and

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Speaker 4: I got ahead of myself. This is where I placed

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Speaker 4: Darnell Mooney. I don't know, just seeing him already, like

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Speaker 4: how he was speaking to you, you can see that confidence.

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Speaker 4: And when he came in came in for of Falcons

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Speaker 1: about you, Tori, who is a player that you've got

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Speaker 3: Here's the thing is, like I it's really difficult to

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Speaker 2: Anyways, so you're welcome.

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Speaker 3: I'm picking Cowpits, and I have a number of reasons

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Speaker 3: We know and we understand kind of what that meant

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Speaker 3: That all, I think it's just kind of made it

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Speaker 1: So I just.

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Speaker 3: Can't look at this twenty twenty four season and not

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Speaker 3: you know, like there's You've had the excuse of not

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Speaker 3: So in terms of a breakout star and a breakout opportunity,

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Speaker 1: Absolutely, I think that's really well said. Everything is on

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Speaker 3: Well, something that has come out recently which I found

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Speaker 2: Like well, like and two, this is not anything new

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Speaker 1: This is a little point of you getting him because

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Speaker 3: Like I was just so that I'm getting off on

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Speaker 5: But it was just so weird. I was like tight

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Speaker 2: Obviously.

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Speaker 3: Skirting really quick over to the tight Ends conversation, but

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Speaker 1: Right, Like when you when you come to the league

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Speaker 3: Something about Arnold Abakatty that I found really interesting is

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Speaker 2: But it was like, there is such.

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Speaker 3: And so if they don't get you know, double digit

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Speaker 3: And I think that this is a really good opportunity

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Speaker 1: Bell cow of the group.

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Speaker 3: This is now you look at the group and you know,

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Speaker 2: I mean, and that's something else that I'll say too.

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Speaker 3: Bringing a quarterback down does not mean that they are

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Speaker 3: not affecting the quarterback right, And sure, yeah, you have

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Speaker 3: to look at what Arnold Abukatti is able to do

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Speaker 3: even if the sacks totals aren't fully there. But now

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Speaker 1: Absolutely, and I think that the pressures absolutely matter. But

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Speaker 5: I did, Jace mcclunn.

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Speaker 3: I would say, I was not expecting you to say

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Speaker 4: At all, I think because especially with Cordell Patterson, go on, Yes,

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Speaker 5: But if you have a high draft pick, especially.

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Speaker 4: One who went to Alabama, they have a you have

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Speaker 5: You can't argue that.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: No, but that wasn't the only reason I picked it.

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Speaker 4: But I do think it'll be interesting to see how

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Speaker 4: no reason Jase doesn't get a chance this season. This

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Speaker 3: that could look like for him, especially early on in

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00:19:49,480 --> 00:19:52,120
Speaker 3: the league. And I don't know, I think too going

440
00:19:52,119 --> 00:19:54,760
Speaker 3: back to your point about Alabama has a bunch of

441
00:19:55,280 --> 00:19:57,520
Speaker 3: running backs that have been very successful, this is somebody

442
00:19:57,520 --> 00:20:00,879
Speaker 3: who I found to be his stories very interesting because

443
00:20:00,960 --> 00:20:02,960
Speaker 3: he could have left Alabama at any point in time

444
00:20:03,160 --> 00:20:04,960
Speaker 3: and gone and played and gone and been the guy

445
00:20:05,359 --> 00:20:08,879
Speaker 3: who's carrying the rock and kind of just being again,

446
00:20:08,880 --> 00:20:12,000
Speaker 3: I'm gonna use the bell cow like that, Yeah.

447
00:20:11,880 --> 00:20:14,160
Speaker 2: Being that guy. And but he didn't.

448
00:20:14,200 --> 00:20:19,800
Speaker 3: He waited behind Jamior Gibbs, Najie Harris, Brian Robinson, like

449
00:20:20,040 --> 00:20:24,240
Speaker 3: there were a lot of guys, a lot of top

450
00:20:24,480 --> 00:20:27,520
Speaker 3: talent ahead of him, and he bought his time until

451
00:20:27,520 --> 00:20:28,920
Speaker 3: he was the guy. And when he was the guy,

452
00:20:29,119 --> 00:20:31,199
Speaker 3: he made the most of the opportunities. And that's kind

453
00:20:31,240 --> 00:20:33,199
Speaker 3: of the mentality he has to bring here because you

454
00:20:33,200 --> 00:20:36,440
Speaker 3: have Jon Robinson, you have Taler Algier. Who are your

455
00:20:36,480 --> 00:20:39,200
Speaker 3: top talents, who are your your big guys who are gonna,

456
00:20:39,480 --> 00:20:41,600
Speaker 3: you know, get the carries and get the rushes and

457
00:20:41,640 --> 00:20:44,280
Speaker 3: get the yards. So when he does get the opportunities,

458
00:20:44,880 --> 00:20:46,000
Speaker 3: how do you make the most of it?

459
00:20:46,359 --> 00:20:48,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I do think he's gonna get a lot

460
00:20:48,560 --> 00:20:51,480
Speaker 1: of opportunities in the preseason, yeah, which is part of

461
00:20:51,520 --> 00:20:53,800
Speaker 1: the reason why I think they you know, they like

462
00:20:53,920 --> 00:20:57,960
Speaker 1: to draft these sec big school like they come from

463
00:20:58,240 --> 00:21:01,080
Speaker 1: these big programs on day three And I do think

464
00:21:01,119 --> 00:21:02,600
Speaker 1: a big part of that is you're going to get

465
00:21:02,680 --> 00:21:05,720
Speaker 1: really quality reps out here during training camp from a

466
00:21:05,720 --> 00:21:06,760
Speaker 1: guy like Jase McClellan.

467
00:21:06,880 --> 00:21:09,080
Speaker 5: So oh, just wait until the next convo and then

468
00:21:09,119 --> 00:21:09,879
Speaker 5: I'll circle back.

469
00:21:09,760 --> 00:21:13,199
Speaker 1: To this moment than Yeah, Tory, who you got is

470
00:21:13,200 --> 00:21:14,080
Speaker 1: the rookie to watch?

471
00:21:14,160 --> 00:21:15,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, Ruke A Row.

472
00:21:15,960 --> 00:21:19,040
Speaker 3: I'm very excited tarn and I this is somebody else

473
00:21:19,040 --> 00:21:21,639
Speaker 3: who he came and sat down in. We did a

474
00:21:21,680 --> 00:21:23,840
Speaker 3: Falcons and Focus podcast with him. I'm really excited for

475
00:21:23,920 --> 00:21:25,840
Speaker 3: y'all to see that episode because he was such a

476
00:21:25,880 --> 00:21:27,920
Speaker 3: delight and so fun and it was really great getting

477
00:21:27,920 --> 00:21:29,520
Speaker 3: to know him. I think Falcons fans are really going

478
00:21:29,520 --> 00:21:32,280
Speaker 3: to gravitate towards him, just from a personality standpoint, but

479
00:21:32,440 --> 00:21:36,359
Speaker 3: also just from a physical standpoint of kind of looking

480
00:21:36,400 --> 00:21:38,879
Speaker 3: ahead to the days where you don't have Grady Jarrett

481
00:21:38,880 --> 00:21:39,120
Speaker 3: and you.

482
00:21:39,080 --> 00:21:41,879
Speaker 2: Don't have David Anyamata. You've got to start thinking about that.

483
00:21:41,960 --> 00:21:44,240
Speaker 3: Unfortunately, both of those guys are in the twilight years

484
00:21:44,240 --> 00:21:46,480
Speaker 3: of their career. Though if you ask Grady Jarrett right now,

485
00:21:46,480 --> 00:21:48,880
Speaker 3: he's like, Nope, I'm playing for another ten years.

486
00:21:48,960 --> 00:21:51,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, But it's just the reality of the situation.

487
00:21:51,640 --> 00:21:54,560
Speaker 3: And I think that even though the problem is and

488
00:21:55,160 --> 00:21:58,120
Speaker 3: I'm excited to see Ruke more so in the preseason

489
00:21:58,160 --> 00:21:58,880
Speaker 3: games than.

490
00:21:58,800 --> 00:21:59,800
Speaker 1: I am in actual practice.

491
00:21:59,840 --> 00:22:03,320
Speaker 3: But as we know, defensive line, offensive line that play

492
00:22:03,359 --> 00:22:07,119
Speaker 3: in the trenches. You can't really see everything that you

493
00:22:07,200 --> 00:22:09,560
Speaker 3: really want to during training camp because they're not going

494
00:22:09,600 --> 00:22:11,800
Speaker 3: one hundred and ten percent. So this is somebody who

495
00:22:12,280 --> 00:22:14,800
Speaker 3: it's kind of like I wrote down Ruke, but I

496
00:22:14,840 --> 00:22:17,280
Speaker 3: almost like want to put an asterisk beside because it's

497
00:22:17,280 --> 00:22:21,840
Speaker 3: like his evolution over the course of these next weeks

498
00:22:21,840 --> 00:22:24,640
Speaker 3: and months and getting into the season and seeing how

499
00:22:24,640 --> 00:22:26,399
Speaker 3: he fits in a rotation. I think it's going to

500
00:22:26,440 --> 00:22:29,800
Speaker 3: be very fascinating to see. And if he's somebody who

501
00:22:29,800 --> 00:22:33,199
Speaker 3: can come out and be a workhorse for them, I

502
00:22:33,200 --> 00:22:34,920
Speaker 3: mean I think that's a win.

503
00:22:35,920 --> 00:22:39,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's somebody who I can clearly see a role

504
00:22:39,240 --> 00:22:41,479
Speaker 1: for in year one. But if I was almost buying

505
00:22:41,560 --> 00:22:44,560
Speaker 1: stock in a player to cash in like three years

506
00:22:44,560 --> 00:22:47,280
Speaker 1: from now, Ruke would be really high on that list

507
00:22:47,320 --> 00:22:49,480
Speaker 1: because I do think he has like all of the

508
00:22:49,560 --> 00:22:52,480
Speaker 1: tools to be a good player on the defensive line.

509
00:22:53,160 --> 00:22:55,040
Speaker 1: It'll just, I think, take a little bit of coaching,

510
00:22:55,040 --> 00:22:57,719
Speaker 1: and that's what the NFL is here for. You're one

511
00:22:57,720 --> 00:23:00,520
Speaker 1: to year two to year three, a lot of growth happens.

512
00:23:03,920 --> 00:23:04,920
Speaker 5: People to learn from.

513
00:23:05,200 --> 00:23:08,280
Speaker 1: Get it now and then allow him to develop with

514
00:23:08,320 --> 00:23:11,560
Speaker 1: great mentors while they're still in place. My pick is

515
00:23:11,680 --> 00:23:15,000
Speaker 1: also along the defensive line. Brayln Trice. I'm just you know,

516
00:23:15,080 --> 00:23:18,080
Speaker 1: really curious to see because of all the rookies who

517
00:23:18,200 --> 00:23:20,960
Speaker 1: could make an impact from day one. I kind of

518
00:23:20,960 --> 00:23:22,840
Speaker 1: think Braylan Trice is the most ready out of the

519
00:23:22,880 --> 00:23:26,399
Speaker 1: package to go. But what exactly is that role we

520
00:23:26,440 --> 00:23:29,120
Speaker 1: just talked about Arnold ab Katie. I do think Lorenzo

521
00:23:29,200 --> 00:23:31,040
Speaker 1: Carter is going to be a starter on this defense.

522
00:23:31,280 --> 00:23:34,199
Speaker 1: So is he kind of that third pass rusher? Is

523
00:23:34,240 --> 00:23:37,600
Speaker 1: he a situational pass rusher? Is he, you know, kind

524
00:23:37,640 --> 00:23:40,919
Speaker 1: of a more like used all around type of player.

525
00:23:41,040 --> 00:23:44,119
Speaker 1: We know that at Washington he's a really respected leader. Like,

526
00:23:44,440 --> 00:23:47,639
Speaker 1: how does he establish himself in training camp because of

527
00:23:47,680 --> 00:23:50,720
Speaker 1: all the rookies, I just wouldn't be shocked if, like,

528
00:23:50,720 --> 00:23:52,200
Speaker 1: at the end of the first week we're kind of

529
00:23:52,240 --> 00:23:54,680
Speaker 1: being like Brayln Trice man like really is stuck out

530
00:23:54,720 --> 00:23:57,560
Speaker 1: and kind of been vocal and answered all the questions.

531
00:23:57,560 --> 00:24:00,400
Speaker 1: So he's somebody that I just am excited watch out

532
00:24:00,400 --> 00:24:01,000
Speaker 1: there on the field.

533
00:24:01,160 --> 00:24:03,240
Speaker 4: That position group has a lot of potential, and it's

534
00:24:03,280 --> 00:24:08,400
Speaker 4: just seeing who's really gonna step out and be that guy, the.

535
00:24:08,359 --> 00:24:11,680
Speaker 5: Bel the guy, the bell cow, the workforce, all of the.

536
00:24:11,640 --> 00:24:14,080
Speaker 1: Words there's there's a lot of Yeah, there's a lot

537
00:24:14,119 --> 00:24:16,919
Speaker 1: of people in competition right there. So let's let's go

538
00:24:17,040 --> 00:24:20,240
Speaker 1: right on to our next category. Tory can't battle to watch.

539
00:24:20,480 --> 00:24:23,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, obviously the number one that in my

540
00:24:23,160 --> 00:24:26,160
Speaker 3: opinion is who is going to play opposite aj Terrell

541
00:24:26,240 --> 00:24:28,840
Speaker 3: at corner. That was a position that from if you

542
00:24:28,840 --> 00:24:31,160
Speaker 3: would have talked to me back in January, I would

543
00:24:31,160 --> 00:24:33,040
Speaker 3: have been like, Oh, they're gonna address that either in

544
00:24:33,080 --> 00:24:34,280
Speaker 3: free agency or in the draft.

545
00:24:34,320 --> 00:24:36,600
Speaker 1: They did neither, And the.

546
00:24:36,520 --> 00:24:39,080
Speaker 3: Plot twists, they did none of that, And I found

547
00:24:39,080 --> 00:24:43,560
Speaker 3: that to be so strange at the time. And Raheem

548
00:24:43,560 --> 00:24:46,080
Speaker 3: Morris kept saying over and over and over again every

549
00:24:46,119 --> 00:24:47,680
Speaker 3: single time we talked to him this offseason, and he

550
00:24:47,760 --> 00:24:49,080
Speaker 3: was like, I really like the guys that we have.

551
00:24:49,200 --> 00:24:50,639
Speaker 3: I really like the guys that we have. Well, the

552
00:24:50,640 --> 00:24:53,040
Speaker 3: two guys that you have that are going to have

553
00:24:53,119 --> 00:24:56,480
Speaker 3: to show out for that position, for that starting role,

554
00:24:56,920 --> 00:24:59,240
Speaker 3: Mike Cues and Clark Phillips the third Those are two

555
00:24:59,240 --> 00:25:02,520
Speaker 3: guys who we've actively seen over the course of OTA's

556
00:25:02,520 --> 00:25:04,720
Speaker 3: in mini camp. They've been taking the the would be

557
00:25:04,800 --> 00:25:07,680
Speaker 3: starting reps kind of going in and out a little

558
00:25:07,720 --> 00:25:10,560
Speaker 3: bit sometimes you have like you have d Offered in

559
00:25:10,920 --> 00:25:13,399
Speaker 3: the nickel slot, and you you have him in the slot,

560
00:25:13,400 --> 00:25:15,399
Speaker 3: and then you have Clark Phillips out wide, and then

561
00:25:15,440 --> 00:25:17,040
Speaker 3: if like my cu'es is out wide, you have Clark

562
00:25:17,040 --> 00:25:20,080
Speaker 3: Phillips in the slot. Like there are there are, There's

563
00:25:20,080 --> 00:25:22,920
Speaker 3: a lot of moving pieces right there that that one

564
00:25:23,000 --> 00:25:26,800
Speaker 3: position I think dictates a few different things in that secondary.

565
00:25:27,040 --> 00:25:30,680
Speaker 3: So I'm very intrigued to see what and I personally

566
00:25:30,720 --> 00:25:33,120
Speaker 3: think that this is a position battle that could go

567
00:25:33,560 --> 00:25:36,040
Speaker 3: not just through training camp, but through those first five

568
00:25:36,080 --> 00:25:39,320
Speaker 3: weeks of the season, because you're gonna get incredibly stiff

569
00:25:39,359 --> 00:25:42,360
Speaker 3: competition in those first five weeks of the season. You're

570
00:25:42,400 --> 00:25:44,760
Speaker 3: gonna be tested, and you're kind of gonna have to see, like, Okay,

571
00:25:44,840 --> 00:25:46,760
Speaker 3: who's willing to to kind of bow up and be

572
00:25:46,840 --> 00:25:50,240
Speaker 3: the guy that we know Ajterrell is. We know what

573
00:25:50,280 --> 00:25:52,440
Speaker 3: we have in him, but who's who's gonna lock down

574
00:25:52,480 --> 00:25:55,280
Speaker 3: the other side? And at some point, you know, I

575
00:25:55,320 --> 00:25:57,560
Speaker 3: know A. J. Trell's coming to the end of his

576
00:25:57,560 --> 00:26:01,119
Speaker 3: his own rookie contract, But never has AJ Terrell and

577
00:26:01,200 --> 00:26:03,960
Speaker 3: the years that he's been here had a true running mate.

578
00:26:04,040 --> 00:26:06,640
Speaker 3: It's kind of been we talk about this quarterback carousel

579
00:26:06,720 --> 00:26:10,280
Speaker 3: revolving door opposite him. He's never had that guy, So

580
00:26:10,320 --> 00:26:15,520
Speaker 3: it's like, can Clark Phillips specifically turn into that guy

581
00:26:16,000 --> 00:26:17,879
Speaker 3: or is this something where we're gonna be going back

582
00:26:17,920 --> 00:26:20,480
Speaker 3: to the drawing board at this time next year and

583
00:26:20,560 --> 00:26:23,120
Speaker 3: kind of be talking about a new face to potentially,

584
00:26:23,200 --> 00:26:23,560
Speaker 3: you know.

585
00:26:24,200 --> 00:26:25,639
Speaker 2: Sure up the cornerback position.

586
00:26:25,680 --> 00:26:27,480
Speaker 3: I mean, I don't know, It's just this has been

587
00:26:27,720 --> 00:26:30,440
Speaker 3: a topic of conversation that we're just gonna have to keep.

588
00:26:30,359 --> 00:26:30,760
Speaker 2: An eye on.

589
00:26:31,200 --> 00:26:33,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean the Falcons could be looking at potentially

590
00:26:33,680 --> 00:26:37,239
Speaker 1: in an off season like overhauling the cornerback position right

591
00:26:37,320 --> 00:26:40,480
Speaker 1: large because Ajterrell's contract is still a little bit of

592
00:26:40,520 --> 00:26:42,960
Speaker 1: an unknown at this point. So yeah, it's a huge

593
00:26:42,960 --> 00:26:44,760
Speaker 1: camp battle. I do think we're gonna see a lot

594
00:26:44,760 --> 00:26:48,240
Speaker 1: of movement rotation from Atlanta secondary. If Raheem Morris's time

595
00:26:48,359 --> 00:26:50,399
Speaker 1: in LA is any indicator.

596
00:26:50,640 --> 00:26:54,880
Speaker 4: Tern speaking of the secondary, I'm looking at the safety

597
00:26:55,040 --> 00:26:58,679
Speaker 4: and like when we went into the off season, I

598
00:26:58,680 --> 00:27:01,200
Speaker 4: don't think that would have been something like that's position battle.

599
00:27:01,280 --> 00:27:03,640
Speaker 4: But as the off season program progressed, you could see

600
00:27:03,640 --> 00:27:07,439
Speaker 4: there was like a little spark between DeMarco Helmes and

601
00:27:07,480 --> 00:27:09,480
Speaker 4: Richie Grant, like as to who is going to be

602
00:27:09,640 --> 00:27:11,359
Speaker 4: up alongside Jesse Bates.

603
00:27:12,040 --> 00:27:15,480
Speaker 1: Great chemistry the two of them.

604
00:27:15,920 --> 00:27:17,600
Speaker 5: No, I haven't watched that much Love Island.

605
00:27:18,200 --> 00:27:19,960
Speaker 4: I've watched a lot of it, but not that much

606
00:27:19,960 --> 00:27:22,760
Speaker 4: where I'm dropping it in podcasts.

607
00:27:23,359 --> 00:27:24,119
Speaker 5: Now, where was I?

608
00:27:24,280 --> 00:27:24,359
Speaker 4: No?

609
00:27:24,520 --> 00:27:27,320
Speaker 3: I think the thing about this position battle is you

610
00:27:27,359 --> 00:27:28,920
Speaker 3: make a good point, like, it's not one that I

611
00:27:28,960 --> 00:27:30,640
Speaker 3: think a lot of people were talking about. It's one

612
00:27:30,640 --> 00:27:33,280
Speaker 3: that they that people need to be talking about because

613
00:27:33,400 --> 00:27:33,920
Speaker 3: you could.

614
00:27:33,800 --> 00:27:36,600
Speaker 4: See it during the off season program. And it's funny

615
00:27:36,600 --> 00:27:39,640
Speaker 4: because I picked Jase earlier because I was thinking of DeMarco.

616
00:27:39,760 --> 00:27:42,879
Speaker 4: DeMarco was an older or not an older, a later

617
00:27:43,359 --> 00:27:46,600
Speaker 4: draft pick, and he says people underestimated me, and I

618
00:27:46,640 --> 00:27:49,480
Speaker 4: showed them that they were wrong because he originally was

619
00:27:49,600 --> 00:27:52,640
Speaker 4: only special teams but then he started getting defensive opportunities

620
00:27:52,880 --> 00:27:54,760
Speaker 4: and he even started a few games toward the end

621
00:27:54,760 --> 00:27:56,919
Speaker 4: of last season where it's like, all right, what's he

622
00:27:56,960 --> 00:27:57,760
Speaker 4: going to do in year two?

623
00:27:58,200 --> 00:28:01,119
Speaker 3: I'm really curious to see you too, like how all

624
00:28:01,160 --> 00:28:03,919
Speaker 3: of this shakes out with DeMarco and Richie, because I

625
00:28:03,960 --> 00:28:07,000
Speaker 3: personally wouldn't be mad if it ends up being DeMarco

626
00:28:07,400 --> 00:28:10,840
Speaker 3: who's alongside Jesse Bates. If there is a specific role

627
00:28:10,840 --> 00:28:13,040
Speaker 3: for Richie Grant, whether it be in the box or

628
00:28:13,359 --> 00:28:16,919
Speaker 3: because I personally you saw moments of that.

629
00:28:16,920 --> 00:28:18,959
Speaker 5: Last year, and I don't hate that idea.

630
00:28:19,119 --> 00:28:21,359
Speaker 3: I don't hate the idea of I don't think just

631
00:28:21,400 --> 00:28:22,840
Speaker 3: because if Richie Grant isn't.

632
00:28:22,640 --> 00:28:25,400
Speaker 2: The starter that it's ah like the useful say buy

633
00:28:25,680 --> 00:28:27,960
Speaker 2: like what, I don't. I don't buy into that at all.

634
00:28:28,080 --> 00:28:30,000
Speaker 3: I really do think that there could be a very

635
00:28:30,040 --> 00:28:32,720
Speaker 3: specific role for Richie Grant, even if it's not this

636
00:28:32,880 --> 00:28:34,400
Speaker 3: like ooh true starting.

637
00:28:34,080 --> 00:28:36,360
Speaker 1: Yeah you know, yeah, no, it's your big nickel look right,

638
00:28:36,440 --> 00:28:38,560
Speaker 1: instead of having de Alford in there, you bring in

639
00:28:38,560 --> 00:28:40,440
Speaker 1: a DeMarco Hellms or you bring a Richie Grant, and

640
00:28:40,520 --> 00:28:43,320
Speaker 1: it's the same type of philosophy the Falcons had previously

641
00:28:43,360 --> 00:28:45,920
Speaker 1: in twenty twenty when it was Ricardo Allen, Demante Casey

642
00:28:46,000 --> 00:28:49,200
Speaker 1: and Kean O'Neil, right, So the different packages that they

643
00:28:49,240 --> 00:28:52,120
Speaker 1: can utilize. That's why I think these two camp battles

644
00:28:52,120 --> 00:28:56,400
Speaker 1: in particular should be on everybody's radar, because if Atlanta's

645
00:28:56,400 --> 00:28:59,320
Speaker 1: defense is going to look vastly different, I think it's

646
00:28:59,360 --> 00:29:02,520
Speaker 1: gonna start on the back end. This year. So my

647
00:29:02,640 --> 00:29:05,440
Speaker 1: pick is the number three receiver battle. I know we've

648
00:29:05,440 --> 00:29:08,720
Speaker 1: talked about Darneld Mooney, Drake London firmly established as the

649
00:29:09,120 --> 00:29:11,840
Speaker 1: number one receiver and big expectations I think for him

650
00:29:11,840 --> 00:29:15,000
Speaker 1: this year. But I'm just curious between Ray Ray McLoud,

651
00:29:15,600 --> 00:29:18,600
Speaker 1: between Rondell Moore. I think Casey Washington is a player

652
00:29:18,600 --> 00:29:20,400
Speaker 1: I'm really excited to get a chance to watch in

653
00:29:20,480 --> 00:29:22,880
Speaker 1: training camp because I've liked what I saw on tape

654
00:29:22,880 --> 00:29:25,479
Speaker 1: from him coming out of Illinois. So yeah, just how

655
00:29:25,600 --> 00:29:28,400
Speaker 1: that all shapes out. Darryl Hodge, there you go, Carol Hodge.

656
00:29:28,480 --> 00:29:31,840
Speaker 1: Can't even can't forget him either, even though I know

657
00:29:31,920 --> 00:29:34,280
Speaker 1: what Daryl Hodge looks like and I know what he's

658
00:29:34,320 --> 00:29:36,920
Speaker 1: bringing to the table. So it's these newcomers that I

659
00:29:37,000 --> 00:29:39,840
Speaker 1: just really want to kind of see. But again, we

660
00:29:39,880 --> 00:29:41,800
Speaker 1: talked about packages on the defense side of the ball.

661
00:29:42,240 --> 00:29:46,120
Speaker 1: A lot of options here for speed, size, physicality. They

662
00:29:46,240 --> 00:29:49,920
Speaker 1: kind of have some of these these pieces. Final two categories.

663
00:29:50,000 --> 00:29:52,160
Speaker 1: Let's move a little bit quickly here because we're running

664
00:29:52,160 --> 00:29:55,800
Speaker 1: short on time. But who has something to prove to

665
00:29:55,920 --> 00:29:57,200
Speaker 1: you in training camp?

666
00:29:57,320 --> 00:29:58,640
Speaker 2: Tory Troy Anderson.

667
00:29:58,960 --> 00:30:00,840
Speaker 3: We have heard so much about the speed and the

668
00:30:00,880 --> 00:30:04,200
Speaker 3: size and the quickness and kind of the specimen that

669
00:30:04,240 --> 00:30:04,560
Speaker 3: he is.

670
00:30:04,600 --> 00:30:06,320
Speaker 2: To kind of use the term that the scouts have

671
00:30:06,440 --> 00:30:07,000
Speaker 2: used before.

672
00:30:07,080 --> 00:30:11,320
Speaker 1: We got sparks flying between safeties and linebackers.

673
00:30:11,360 --> 00:30:14,320
Speaker 3: But I'm curious because obviously, I think it's very similar

674
00:30:14,320 --> 00:30:16,000
Speaker 3: to kind of what the conversation we're talking about in

675
00:30:16,000 --> 00:30:18,120
Speaker 3: the secondary. It's like, I'm not putting it past this

676
00:30:18,240 --> 00:30:22,640
Speaker 3: defense to have Troy Anderson, Nate Lammon, and Kaden Ellis out.

677
00:30:22,440 --> 00:30:24,360
Speaker 5: There all at the same time.

678
00:30:24,440 --> 00:30:25,600
Speaker 2: I'm kind of hoping for that.

679
00:30:25,680 --> 00:30:27,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, a couple of times in this you know, not

680
00:30:27,520 --> 00:30:29,560
Speaker 3: even preseason, once we get into the season, but with

681
00:30:29,680 --> 00:30:32,520
Speaker 3: Troy Anderson, it's specifically, it's like we have seen flashes,

682
00:30:33,120 --> 00:30:35,760
Speaker 3: very like minute flashes of what he could be in

683
00:30:35,800 --> 00:30:37,880
Speaker 3: the vision there and all of that, and I think

684
00:30:37,920 --> 00:30:40,280
Speaker 3: it's like, Okay, he's like Cole Pitts, he's back one

685
00:30:40,320 --> 00:30:43,280
Speaker 3: hundred and ten percent. What does he do with that opportunity?

686
00:30:43,320 --> 00:30:45,400
Speaker 3: Does he slide back into the starting role? I think,

687
00:30:45,440 --> 00:30:49,200
Speaker 3: so what can he be for the Falcons? And can

688
00:30:49,240 --> 00:30:52,680
Speaker 3: he shape out to be somebody that they invested in

689
00:30:52,720 --> 00:30:55,040
Speaker 3: out of Montana State and now here you are three

690
00:30:55,080 --> 00:30:57,640
Speaker 3: years later, he's fully healthy, he's not a rookie anymore,

691
00:30:57,720 --> 00:30:59,480
Speaker 3: like can go out, put his head down and play.

692
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I love that pick. Taren, here you get.

693
00:31:02,400 --> 00:31:06,400
Speaker 4: I went with Kirk Cousins. I think my initial answer

694
00:31:06,840 --> 00:31:07,680
Speaker 4: explains why.

695
00:31:08,160 --> 00:31:08,680
Speaker 5: I just.

696
00:31:10,080 --> 00:31:12,920
Speaker 4: He has to run this offense like defense, He has

697
00:31:12,960 --> 00:31:16,240
Speaker 4: to run this offense, and he also is coming off

698
00:31:16,320 --> 00:31:20,280
Speaker 4: a major injury that it's like the spotlight is on him.

699
00:31:20,320 --> 00:31:22,560
Speaker 4: Go to our bad, like, who knows how he's gonna

700
00:31:22,560 --> 00:31:24,720
Speaker 4: be after that first full contact hit.

701
00:31:25,360 --> 00:31:29,120
Speaker 3: And also that huge contract as well, He's got a

702
00:31:29,120 --> 00:31:31,280
Speaker 3: lot there's a lot of money invested in that guy.

703
00:31:31,640 --> 00:31:34,360
Speaker 1: So but again, I think I think you've picked the

704
00:31:34,400 --> 00:31:37,800
Speaker 1: right answer. I think that most people listening or watching

705
00:31:37,880 --> 00:31:39,640
Speaker 1: are are kind of like, yeah, of course we need

706
00:31:39,680 --> 00:31:42,440
Speaker 1: to see Kirk Cousins do it. Like his career speaks

707
00:31:42,440 --> 00:31:45,200
Speaker 1: for itself. The start to last season was awesome. But

708
00:31:45,280 --> 00:31:46,680
Speaker 1: let's hope he can do it again, and we got

709
00:31:46,720 --> 00:31:47,520
Speaker 1: to see it before.

710
00:31:47,560 --> 00:31:51,000
Speaker 5: We just offense new Achilles? Is that how that works?

711
00:31:51,040 --> 00:31:53,760
Speaker 2: I don't think it's a new Achilles, it's a repaired Achilles.

712
00:31:53,760 --> 00:31:54,720
Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, make.

713
00:31:54,600 --> 00:31:58,520
Speaker 5: An altered Achilles. We'll see how it goes.

714
00:31:59,240 --> 00:32:02,280
Speaker 1: We will. So so my pick is Richie Grant. We

715
00:32:02,600 --> 00:32:04,640
Speaker 1: talked about the safety battle a little bit, but I

716
00:32:04,680 --> 00:32:07,680
Speaker 1: think that if we look at Richie Grant in Dean

717
00:32:07,760 --> 00:32:09,840
Speaker 1: PS's system, I think we saw a little bit of

718
00:32:09,840 --> 00:32:12,480
Speaker 1: a different player than we did specifically last year in

719
00:32:12,600 --> 00:32:15,680
Speaker 1: Ryan Nielsen's system. I think last year was going to

720
00:32:16,680 --> 00:32:19,600
Speaker 1: if you're a cornerback or a safety specifically, kind of

721
00:32:19,600 --> 00:32:21,240
Speaker 1: the role that Richie Grand played and not the deep

722
00:32:21,320 --> 00:32:24,360
Speaker 1: safety that Jesse played. At times, you're going to be

723
00:32:24,600 --> 00:32:26,800
Speaker 1: left in a position where you either win or you lose,

724
00:32:27,000 --> 00:32:29,120
Speaker 1: and if you lose, you're going to get exposed because

725
00:32:29,160 --> 00:32:30,239
Speaker 1: it was a lot of man It was a lot

726
00:32:30,280 --> 00:32:32,680
Speaker 1: of tight coverage, not a ton of help over top.

727
00:32:33,040 --> 00:32:34,920
Speaker 1: So I think that maybe a transition back to a

728
00:32:34,960 --> 00:32:37,480
Speaker 1: different role, maybe more clearly defined role, as we talked

729
00:32:37,480 --> 00:32:40,800
Speaker 1: about DeMarco Hellams and how he could factor into this defense,

730
00:32:41,480 --> 00:32:44,120
Speaker 1: may simplify things for Richie. But I still think that

731
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Speaker 1: he's a really good player.

732
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Speaker 3: Something sorry to interrupt you, but something that I would

733
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Speaker 3: add to that is that, like, Okay, there is this

734
00:32:51,080 --> 00:32:53,880
Speaker 3: carryover with Jerry Gray, Yes, and I think that that

735
00:32:53,960 --> 00:32:56,240
Speaker 3: matters in the scope of what we're talking about, because yes,

736
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Speaker 3: even though Ryan Nielsen's no longer here, and it's Jimmy Lake,

737
00:32:59,320 --> 00:33:01,880
Speaker 3: Jerry Gray who this is his secondary like.

738
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Speaker 5: This is his niche.

739
00:33:03,560 --> 00:33:04,360
Speaker 1: He knows these guys.

740
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Speaker 3: He knows these guys. He's been working with them now

741
00:33:06,160 --> 00:33:08,200
Speaker 3: for two years. And so what has he learned about

742
00:33:08,240 --> 00:33:10,480
Speaker 3: Richie Grant in the last year that can be applied

743
00:33:10,480 --> 00:33:13,160
Speaker 3: to this year That really does exactly what you're saying,

744
00:33:13,520 --> 00:33:14,520
Speaker 3: carves out a role for him.

745
00:33:14,640 --> 00:33:16,680
Speaker 1: All Right, we'll stick with you, Tory and end it

746
00:33:16,760 --> 00:33:19,240
Speaker 1: right here. Player your most excited to watching camp?

747
00:33:19,440 --> 00:33:21,120
Speaker 2: I mean, I have to go with Kirk Cousins.

748
00:33:21,280 --> 00:33:24,520
Speaker 3: I'm so sorry we're still talking about it, but it's honestly,

749
00:33:24,520 --> 00:33:27,400
Speaker 3: it's less about Kirk Cousins himself and a little bit

750
00:33:27,440 --> 00:33:29,560
Speaker 3: about what he does for the people around him.

751
00:33:29,800 --> 00:33:32,640
Speaker 2: Drake London, Kyle Pitt's, Darnell Mooney.

752
00:33:33,040 --> 00:33:37,239
Speaker 3: I understand the what has been has been right and

753
00:33:37,280 --> 00:33:40,240
Speaker 3: this is what's now and I'm very look I'm looking

754
00:33:40,320 --> 00:33:43,200
Speaker 3: forward to seeing what Kirk Cousins does in terms of

755
00:33:43,240 --> 00:33:46,160
Speaker 3: distributing to the playmakers that he has, because he has them,

756
00:33:46,400 --> 00:33:48,880
Speaker 3: he has a good offensive line this. I feel really

757
00:33:48,920 --> 00:33:52,600
Speaker 3: confident about the individual pieces that the Falcons have put

758
00:33:52,640 --> 00:33:55,240
Speaker 3: together in twenty twenty four. Now it's like, Okay, you

759
00:33:55,280 --> 00:33:57,920
Speaker 3: have someone who in theory can get the ball to them.

760
00:33:58,080 --> 00:33:59,200
Speaker 2: So what does that look like?

761
00:33:59,520 --> 00:34:01,920
Speaker 3: Very early on, because going back to what I was

762
00:34:01,920 --> 00:34:04,320
Speaker 3: saying before, they have to hit the ground running coming

763
00:34:04,320 --> 00:34:07,080
Speaker 3: out in week one. There is no hiding. Yep, there

764
00:34:07,120 --> 00:34:10,160
Speaker 3: is no waiting around. You have to be ready to

765
00:34:10,239 --> 00:34:13,359
Speaker 3: go week one and that's exactly where the Falcons are

766
00:34:13,400 --> 00:34:17,200
Speaker 3: gonna have to find themselves in another month a month.

767
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Speaker 1: It's right around the corner. We're almost here. Get excited,

768
00:34:21,920 --> 00:34:23,520
Speaker 1: Taren he you got it is the player you're most

769
00:34:23,520 --> 00:34:24,400
Speaker 1: excited to watch.

770
00:34:24,360 --> 00:34:27,359
Speaker 4: Jean Robinson because everyone always talks about the jump from

771
00:34:27,400 --> 00:34:31,920
Speaker 4: year one to year two, whether it's sports, academics, careers

772
00:34:31,920 --> 00:34:33,279
Speaker 4: that don't involve athletics.

773
00:34:34,200 --> 00:34:35,400
Speaker 5: I don't know anything.

774
00:34:35,040 --> 00:34:37,800
Speaker 4: Really of that nature, right, Like I think your brain

775
00:34:37,840 --> 00:34:39,279
Speaker 4: develops more in year two than one.

776
00:34:39,640 --> 00:34:41,799
Speaker 1: Yeah, as a toy, as a two year old, I can.

777
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Speaker 4: So I'm ready to see but Jean Robinson make that

778
00:34:46,120 --> 00:34:48,319
Speaker 4: jump and how big that jump is going to be.

779
00:34:49,040 --> 00:34:50,760
Speaker 4: But at the same time, if he makes that jump,

780
00:34:50,800 --> 00:34:53,160
Speaker 4: like you want to believe he's going to But at

781
00:34:53,160 --> 00:34:54,480
Speaker 4: the same time, people are.

782
00:34:54,360 --> 00:34:57,839
Speaker 5: People what if he is where he's at. I don't

783
00:34:57,880 --> 00:35:00,000
Speaker 5: know that was negative. Let's to stay on a positive.

784
00:35:00,560 --> 00:35:02,080
Speaker 5: It's a good thing to see.

785
00:35:02,080 --> 00:35:04,040
Speaker 4: And he put that statement out there that they want

786
00:35:04,040 --> 00:35:06,480
Speaker 4: to use him more like Christian McCaffrey, and that was

787
00:35:06,520 --> 00:35:07,920
Speaker 4: a bold thing to set.

788
00:35:07,680 --> 00:35:10,040
Speaker 5: That precedent and be like, I'm going to be like

789
00:35:10,040 --> 00:35:12,200
Speaker 5: the guy on the Matten cover. WHOA.

790
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Speaker 4: I mean, I think it's a good goal to have, right,

791
00:35:14,360 --> 00:35:16,479
Speaker 4: everyone should have goals, but put it on the record

792
00:35:16,520 --> 00:35:20,120
Speaker 4: and whatnot. You are setting goals and expectations for yourself

793
00:35:20,280 --> 00:35:23,120
Speaker 4: really early on. And I want to see him meet them.

794
00:35:23,280 --> 00:35:26,120
Speaker 4: I want to see if he can meet them. Not

795
00:35:26,160 --> 00:35:30,040
Speaker 4: only that it is a different offense and people did

796
00:35:30,640 --> 00:35:33,160
Speaker 4: have qualms with how he was used last year, and

797
00:35:33,200 --> 00:35:35,279
Speaker 4: so it'll be curious to see now that he has

798
00:35:35,320 --> 00:35:38,239
Speaker 4: stated he will be a run first running back how

799
00:35:38,280 --> 00:35:41,840
Speaker 4: that allows him to explode and raise his numbers and

800
00:35:41,920 --> 00:35:45,680
Speaker 4: raise those opportunities when it comes to the ground game. Also,

801
00:35:46,160 --> 00:35:49,080
Speaker 4: if you haven't done it already, go check out John Robinson,

802
00:35:49,200 --> 00:35:51,879
Speaker 4: The Power of Example and Atlanta Falcons dot com. There's

803
00:35:51,920 --> 00:35:54,920
Speaker 4: a great video, photo gallery and an editorial story from

804
00:35:54,920 --> 00:35:56,879
Speaker 4: yours truly, so do that you.

805
00:35:56,800 --> 00:35:58,080
Speaker 5: Really should casual plug.

806
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Speaker 2: Yeah, No, it's great.

807
00:35:59,280 --> 00:36:01,800
Speaker 3: I mean and just like the landing page, the story,

808
00:36:02,440 --> 00:36:06,080
Speaker 3: it's it's been very well done across our entire team.

809
00:36:06,160 --> 00:36:10,080
Speaker 1: So yeah, absolutely go check it out. Great piece by you, Tarn,

810
00:36:10,480 --> 00:36:12,600
Speaker 1: So yeah, I totally agree. Butjon is going to be

811
00:36:12,680 --> 00:36:16,439
Speaker 1: extremely exciting I think in this offense as well. I've

812
00:36:16,440 --> 00:36:18,799
Speaker 1: got a piece going up Tuesday that's going to be

813
00:36:18,920 --> 00:36:22,360
Speaker 1: kind of comparing him to some other really notable running

814
00:36:22,360 --> 00:36:26,120
Speaker 1: backs from years past, Chris Johnson, Le'Veon Bell, just to

815
00:36:26,200 --> 00:36:29,920
Speaker 1: name a couple. But basically the roadmap for Bijon is

816
00:36:29,960 --> 00:36:32,680
Speaker 1: that big things could be coming in year two. So again,

817
00:36:32,800 --> 00:36:35,920
Speaker 1: it's exciting times I think for Bejon. But let's end

818
00:36:35,920 --> 00:36:38,400
Speaker 1: it by coming full circle back to the tight end position.

819
00:36:39,040 --> 00:36:42,319
Speaker 1: The player that's it basically is it's sponsored, you know

820
00:36:42,400 --> 00:36:47,759
Speaker 1: by tight end An Zaxby's. But Kyle Pitts, I just

821
00:36:47,840 --> 00:36:50,600
Speaker 1: think for all the reasons you laid out Tory and

822
00:36:50,800 --> 00:36:53,520
Speaker 1: and I don't need to harp much longer on him, like,

823
00:36:53,600 --> 00:36:55,360
Speaker 1: I just think that he is going to be the

824
00:36:55,400 --> 00:36:58,040
Speaker 1: player that maybe defines twenty twenty four for the Falcons.

825
00:36:58,360 --> 00:37:01,480
Speaker 1: As important is Kirk Kirk Cousins is, and like the

826
00:37:01,520 --> 00:37:04,439
Speaker 1: presence that he will have for Atlanta's offense, I think

827
00:37:04,760 --> 00:37:08,800
Speaker 1: can't be overstated. But if Kyle Pitts makes kind of

828
00:37:08,840 --> 00:37:10,799
Speaker 1: that jump back up to what we saw from him

829
00:37:10,800 --> 00:37:13,560
Speaker 1: as a rookie and you still have Drake London and

830
00:37:13,600 --> 00:37:15,520
Speaker 1: you still be that like that, I think is going

831
00:37:15,600 --> 00:37:18,359
Speaker 1: to take this offense over the top. I think he's

832
00:37:18,360 --> 00:37:19,759
Speaker 1: going to get there. I think a couple of years

833
00:37:19,800 --> 00:37:23,360
Speaker 1: removed from that injury, just a little bit more comfort

834
00:37:23,440 --> 00:37:25,359
Speaker 1: in himself as a player. You can kind of feel

835
00:37:25,360 --> 00:37:28,080
Speaker 1: the confidence from him. I expect a big camp from him,

836
00:37:28,080 --> 00:37:29,680
Speaker 1: and I expect right out of the gates for him

837
00:37:29,719 --> 00:37:32,719
Speaker 1: to kind of establish himself as the the player of

838
00:37:32,760 --> 00:37:34,480
Speaker 1: the season for Atlanta. So I guess I'm laying down

839
00:37:34,480 --> 00:37:36,520
Speaker 1: the gauntlet. I didn't expect to do that.

840
00:37:36,960 --> 00:37:41,480
Speaker 3: Ye love that, honestly, great, honestly, and to I'll say this, like,

841
00:37:42,160 --> 00:37:46,000
Speaker 3: get ready for training camp, y'all because it's starting very soon.

842
00:37:46,239 --> 00:37:49,080
Speaker 2: And I know, yeah, I'm pretty excited them.

843
00:37:49,120 --> 00:37:50,640
Speaker 1: So he gets ready to be on these mics a

844
00:37:50,680 --> 00:37:51,760
Speaker 1: lot all the time.

845
00:37:51,960 --> 00:37:53,520
Speaker 2: This is specially going to be where we live.

846
00:37:53,840 --> 00:37:57,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, so let's at least it's inside right exactly. We

847
00:37:57,239 --> 00:38:00,200
Speaker 1: got the ac we got the we're out of the sun.

848
00:38:00,719 --> 00:38:02,080
Speaker 1: But yeah, let's go ahead and wrap it up there

849
00:38:02,120 --> 00:38:04,400
Speaker 1: because we've got a lot to talk about in the

850
00:38:04,400 --> 00:38:06,239
Speaker 1: coming day, so we've got to rest our voices. But

851
00:38:06,840 --> 00:38:10,160
Speaker 1: Tory mclaney, Tarren Walk, I'm Will McFadden. This is Falcons

852
00:38:10,239 --> 00:38:12,640
Speaker 1: Final Whistle, presented by Zaxby's. Thank you guys so much

853
00:38:12,640 --> 00:38:14,640
Speaker 1: for listening and watching, and we will see you guys

854
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Speaker 1: very soon for the start of Atlanta Falcons training camp.