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Speaker 1: The only thing I'm plugging is forgotten seasons.

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Speaker 2: Welcome back to forgotten seasons. J Mac, how's it going, bro?

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Speaker 3: Living well, living well, kids in high school, kids in

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Speaker 3: middle school? You know father's dream.

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Speaker 2: Well today we got kids, two kids, two kids, two kids,

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Speaker 2: ding boy and a girl.

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Speaker 3: That's all. You know. I just did a little two piece,

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Speaker 3: you know what I mean? One woman left it alone,

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Speaker 3: two piece, one woman left it alone.

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Speaker 4: You know that's okay, okay, just check it out. You

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Speaker 4: had a Brady bunch for a second. Do you have

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Speaker 4: a Brady bunch?

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Speaker 3: Twine?

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Speaker 1: No to two girls? Yeah, exactly, the growing though. I'm good.

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Speaker 2: Good for you guys, man, But you know what, it

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Speaker 2: must have not been easy to be in the NBA

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Speaker 2: in the nineties and two thousands before cell phones and

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Speaker 2: just have two.

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Speaker 5: So congratulations to both.

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Speaker 3: Hey, yeah, I appreciate that, young fella. That's rad. That's it. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 3: that's real because it could have easily been the other way.

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Speaker 5: We've definitely seen it.

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Speaker 2: Well, we got Chicago's finest in the building, Cybertwine.

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Speaker 5: Twine, Man, how's it going? Thank you for joining the

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Speaker 5: show man.

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Speaker 1: It's good man.

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Speaker 4: Getting excited about football season, you know, we got to

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Speaker 4: watch some the football over the weekend and no getting

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Speaker 4: ready for the upcoming basketball season. So I'm excited.

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Speaker 2: So today we're gonna be talking about the year that

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Speaker 2: made you an NBA champion. Obviously you won an NCAA

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Speaker 2: championship at Kentucky two thousand and six. Heat Before we

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Speaker 2: get into that season, I actually want to start in

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Speaker 2: the year before your second stint with the Celtics two

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Speaker 2: thousand and five. We had the pleasure of talking to

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Speaker 2: your former teammate Ricky Davis about that season. Richard Rick

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Speaker 2: gave us some good details about club. I think we

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Speaker 2: had Tony Allen on too. He named his first team

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Speaker 2: All club. Shiznit. I don't think you made the cut.

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Speaker 2: You know, you're one of the best players on the team,

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Speaker 2: but you did not make first team for Tony.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I had my own but I understood that though.

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Speaker 4: But you got to remember I came halfway through the season,

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Speaker 4: so they they was already established already.

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Speaker 1: So when I came, I just.

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Speaker 4: Kind of joined in, you know, halfway through the fund

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Speaker 4: the fund, so I club club sistess was some something

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Speaker 4: different from me. I had to come and kind of

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Speaker 4: really I couldn't believe they was doing it actually to

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Speaker 2: So of course, when we talk about the two thousand

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Speaker 2: and six heat, I think one of the first places

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Speaker 2: that you got to start is pat Riley, a fellow

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Speaker 2: University of Kentucky alum. What was that first kind of

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Speaker 2: conversation with Riley, like, and how did he sell you?

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Speaker 5: If he did well?

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Speaker 4: Actually going back to my free agency just to kind

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Speaker 4: of refresh you guys, But I mean, he didn't have

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Speaker 4: any money, and as far as you know, money just

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Speaker 4: signed me. So it was really a long shot. And

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Speaker 4: then I was a part of the biggest sign in trade.

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Speaker 4: It might be still to this day. I think it

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Speaker 4: was like a thirteen player like signing trade to actually

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Speaker 4: get the money to Max to be able because obviously

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Speaker 4: Boston did not want to take any money back on

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Speaker 4: Danny Ahe had made that very clear to me and

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Speaker 4: free agency that he wasn't gonna take any money back,

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Speaker 4: but he would do a sign and trade if it

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Speaker 4: made sense for the team. So that made it a

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Speaker 4: little difficult. But you gotta remember when when pat Rice

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Speaker 4: set out, it was not a hard sale because they

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Speaker 4: had just went to the Eastern Conference finals the year before.

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Speaker 4: But it was a little problem because obviously Ud was

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Speaker 4: He mixed really well with d Wade and Shot, so

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Speaker 4: that was a concern of mine. But to be honest,

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Speaker 4: Pat sold me on coming in playing right away. The

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Speaker 4: Stan Van Gundy was the head coach at that particular

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Speaker 4: time when my signed as a free agent and basically

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Speaker 4: sold me, like, hey be. Bob McAdoo taught me on

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Speaker 4: the old Lakers teams about having, you know, an all

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Speaker 1: Me and Paul made a couple.

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Speaker 4: Of decent runs to get to the Eastern Conference finals

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Speaker 4: one year, but I never really was on a championship team.

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Speaker 4: So I thought it was it was great, It was

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Speaker 4: I was really looking forward to to playing with. Obviously

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Speaker 1: But that's what got it we went there. I went

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Speaker 4: I came off the bench the first couple of games,

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Speaker 4: but maybe maybe longer than that, probably the first fifteen

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Speaker 4: to to remove stan Van Gunny.

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Speaker 1: As head coach.

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Speaker 4: And I'll never forget that that practice we had when

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Speaker 4: when Pat took over and he would just looking me

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Speaker 4: it out. Said, I'm not gonna run no plays. I'm

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Speaker 4: not gonna run no plays for you early on. We're

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Speaker 4: gonna go through Shack and d Wade. I'm gonna sub

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Speaker 4: you out first and let you play with that second

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Speaker 4: five or six opportunities in some ISO situations where you

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Speaker 4: and crazy part about it. I think I end up

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Speaker 4: adding maybe twenty eight to thirty minutes a night. I

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Speaker 4: So that you know that's really important part. You want

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Speaker 4: what it was about. But it was a different it

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Speaker 4: was a different challenge for me. But I think because

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Speaker 4: Pat Rodley kept it so real and so honest that

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's what I was gonna ask you about twin

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Speaker 3: because you're playing on a team where you're like a

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Speaker 3: condensed version of yourself. Right, no disrespect you just you

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Speaker 3: don't have to do the twine thing anymore. Right, he

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Speaker 3: just tell you I need you to play, Bob McAdoo,

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Speaker 3: kind of figure it out. I feel like Shaq's playing

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Speaker 4: No, I think it was really stand was a scream

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Speaker 4: I think that bot of guys a little bit was

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Speaker 4: that that way what Pat was a little bit more

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Speaker 4: typically we all know Past a disciplinarian too, but he

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Speaker 4: that's what that's what the separation was. I mean, I

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Speaker 4: The way he kind of went about things was a

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Speaker 4: So I think that's what we struggled at. And then

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Speaker 4: also to stands defense, Shock got hurt. I mean, I

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Speaker 4: obviously the expectation was for us to be to win

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Speaker 4: and I think Pat by him making this big move

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Speaker 4: trade gp J, will posey, Derek Anderson, Shannon Anderson. When

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Speaker 4: and I think that's what it was. If just Pat

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Speaker 4: him in stand clash behind closed doors. We will not

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Speaker 4: privy to that conversation. And then Pat came down and

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Speaker 4: later laid the rules down on how he was going

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Speaker 4: to do things, simplify things, put guys in designated, definite

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Speaker 3: That's that show time. That's that Lakers. With all due

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Speaker 3: respect to Van Gundy, Pat got that cachet. You know,

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Speaker 3: he know how to go talk to a Kareem a

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Speaker 3: worthy of magic Johnson. You know, you know top fifty

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Speaker 3: will top set top seventy five players and get him

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Speaker 3: on the same page. So you know what I mean,

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Speaker 3: At the end of the day, I can't be mad

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it was kind of like it was like the

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Speaker 2: always the front page of the headlines, is pat Rally

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Speaker 2: gonna come down and coach? You know, we said publicly, no,

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Speaker 2: moves that he made and bring in like a U

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Speaker 2: You know, they're proven veterans that you probably can't be

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Speaker 2: like a drill sergeant too. I want to talk about

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Speaker 2: Shack and the dynamic between him and Wade. Jelani played

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Speaker 2: pete and saw, you know, big brother, little brother, classic fighting.

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Speaker 2: But it seemed like Shaq and Wade there was never

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Speaker 2: an issue. People forget that, like the two thousand and

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Speaker 2: five season, we kind of think of Shaq in Miami

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Speaker 2: as kind of this diminished version of him, but he

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Speaker 2: was second in MVP voting pretty much almost won. It

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Speaker 2: was like the closest MVP race in the two thousands.

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Speaker 2: What did you notice with the dynamic between Shaq and

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Speaker 4: I think it met in Smovas that Shaq didn't mind

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Speaker 4: being number two options. We knew d Wade. I think

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Speaker 4: he knew d Wade was going to be a star.

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Speaker 4: I think he you know, to his defense, he gave

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Speaker 4: I think that came from playing with Kobe. I think

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Speaker 4: he's the leader. You know, he's the guy that kind

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Speaker 1: And that's it.

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Speaker 4: And it was And I always tell people I've never

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Speaker 4: I will always remember it was one. You know, my

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Speaker 4: a lot of dynamics obviously that You're magic part early

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Speaker 1: It was just about winning the NBA Championship.

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Speaker 3: Speaking as though, that's a perfect transition into what I

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Speaker 3: little different. Where was it as grimy as you know,

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Speaker 4: Yes, every all the rules apply. I think the only

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Speaker 4: a great question. The only thing that was different throughout

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Speaker 4: dressing a little bit, which was cool. You still have

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Speaker 3: And I remember, I remember the stories and the grumblings.

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Speaker 3: How did Twine? I know you've been through what you've

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Speaker 3: been through your career. I remember you re checking your

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Speaker 3: you respond to that body fat ship? How was that? Yeah?

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Speaker 4: you just worked on it. So you gave you thirty

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Speaker 1: You know.

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Speaker 4: Training camp was definitely obviously hard. So I got I got,

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Speaker 3: You had seemed like they got a good they got

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Speaker 4: Yeah, you got You gotta get your chef man. You

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Speaker 4: And that was cool, I mean because everybody had to

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Speaker 4: We used to always mess with the trainer on Mondays

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Speaker 4: we all, we all bought into it. I mean, I

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Speaker 1: Man.

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Speaker 4: You know Shock tell stories how he won championships at

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Speaker 3: He got Then in that first first couple of photos

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Speaker 4: Yeah, so everybody, but that's what That's the first thing

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Speaker 4: He'd say five forty five really mean five fifteen facts,

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Speaker 4: We didn't mind. Everybody bought into it. But it all

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Speaker 4: else is gonna follow.

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Speaker 1: Follow those guys lead.

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Speaker 3: Shot, bring in a sense of joy everywhere. He cold

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Speaker 3: he when shit started getting moon dang since Shaq in

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Speaker 2: Shack wrote a book and talked about the dynamic between

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Speaker 4: But that's but that's true though that I mean, Shack

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Speaker 1: I mean, he got your back.

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Speaker 3: He with you.

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Speaker 4: I mean, he going out with us. Now you don't

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Speaker 1: Like we have?

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Speaker 3: if you go on crack, it's cool. You just better

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Speaker 4: I never party and play basketball like that in my life, bro.

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Speaker 4: I ain't gonna lie to you. I just I'm gonna

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Speaker 4: tell you I didn't. I didn't go out the night

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Speaker 1: And then I figured out the method. I used.

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Speaker 4: That steam room that's steaing room was my best friend.

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Speaker 4: You give be a good meal. I sleep at seven eight.

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Speaker 4: So we learned to stay off that beach. See, that's

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Speaker 4: You can't just party on South Beach because that's when

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Speaker 3: That's the dad giveaway. He doesn't pay everybody the valet.

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Speaker 5: I mean, you got to realize that what does pat

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Speaker 2: He knows the Showtime, Lakers and the Forum Club so

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Speaker 1: That's where he comes from.

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Speaker 3: The cracking city.

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Speaker 2: Oh, he definitely does. And he knows how to win

440
00:19:22,160 --> 00:19:24,920
Speaker 2: hand crack. At the same time. I want to talk

441
00:19:24,920 --> 00:19:28,000
Speaker 2: about I want to talk about Gary Payton. You both

442
00:19:28,040 --> 00:19:30,800
Speaker 2: played with him. That was Jilani's That was Jelani's vet.

443
00:19:31,240 --> 00:19:33,800
Speaker 2: If you go and look back at those games, out

444
00:19:33,920 --> 00:19:37,040
Speaker 2: stood out to me is that GP and d Wade

445
00:19:37,080 --> 00:19:40,040
Speaker 2: would kind of jaw and it seemed like the type

446
00:19:40,040 --> 00:19:42,520
Speaker 2: of thing where GP was trying to instill that dog

447
00:19:42,560 --> 00:19:45,160
Speaker 2: in him and be like, come on now, d Wade, like.

448
00:19:45,160 --> 00:19:45,960
Speaker 5: This is your team.

449
00:19:46,000 --> 00:19:48,280
Speaker 2: And and Gary Payton tells a story that after you

450
00:19:48,359 --> 00:19:51,480
Speaker 2: got blown out in Dallas, uh, he calls a team meeting.

451
00:19:51,960 --> 00:19:54,320
Speaker 2: In the next game, you play the Pistons, who they

452
00:19:54,320 --> 00:19:55,720
Speaker 2: had lost to the previous year.

453
00:19:56,080 --> 00:19:56,240
Speaker 5: Uh.

454
00:19:56,400 --> 00:19:58,760
Speaker 2: Wade scores the last seventeen point hits the game winner,

455
00:19:58,800 --> 00:20:01,359
Speaker 2: and then you rip off like team straight wins. What

456
00:20:01,440 --> 00:20:04,840
Speaker 2: was the GP experience like for for you and you two, Jolne.

457
00:20:05,640 --> 00:20:07,960
Speaker 4: Well, for me, GP was you know, one thing was

458
00:20:08,000 --> 00:20:10,320
Speaker 4: great about GP is that y'all know GPS one of

459
00:20:10,320 --> 00:20:13,320
Speaker 4: the top defenders ever, the players of all time, of

460
00:20:13,359 --> 00:20:13,760
Speaker 4: all time.

461
00:20:13,880 --> 00:20:14,719
Speaker 1: So what he what he?

462
00:20:15,080 --> 00:20:17,119
Speaker 4: If you watched us player and he he would close

463
00:20:17,160 --> 00:20:20,760
Speaker 4: most games out over j Will because Pat wanted somebody

464
00:20:20,800 --> 00:20:23,359
Speaker 4: that can guard, and we know d Wade wasn't guarding

465
00:20:23,359 --> 00:20:25,840
Speaker 4: the best player. Sometimes we need d Wade to score

466
00:20:25,880 --> 00:20:28,119
Speaker 4: the ball. In that fourth quarter. So GP would guard

467
00:20:28,119 --> 00:20:31,400
Speaker 4: that two guard that scoring, you know what I mean,

468
00:20:31,480 --> 00:20:33,760
Speaker 4: to allow the way and you know d Wade to

469
00:20:33,760 --> 00:20:35,879
Speaker 4: have the energy on the offensive end to make plays

470
00:20:35,920 --> 00:20:39,199
Speaker 4: and the score. So that's where the chemistry started to

471
00:20:39,240 --> 00:20:42,439
Speaker 4: come from because GP would guard all the top top guys.

472
00:20:42,440 --> 00:20:44,840
Speaker 4: So that's where Pat Roley has so much respect for him,

473
00:20:45,000 --> 00:20:48,520
Speaker 4: because you could put GP on anybody and GP got

474
00:20:48,520 --> 00:20:51,040
Speaker 4: the and GP had the respect of the referee, so

475
00:20:51,080 --> 00:20:53,200
Speaker 4: he can hand check a little bit. He get away

476
00:20:53,240 --> 00:20:55,480
Speaker 4: with a lot more a lot more things defensively, So

477
00:20:56,000 --> 00:20:59,120
Speaker 4: that's what the difference was with GP. And obviously GP

478
00:20:59,240 --> 00:21:01,520
Speaker 4: wasn't scared to take take a big shot. He wasn't

479
00:21:01,560 --> 00:21:04,280
Speaker 4: necessarily gonna make a three, but he can post up

480
00:21:04,280 --> 00:21:06,600
Speaker 4: any guard he's gonna get in the lane, you know

481
00:21:06,640 --> 00:21:08,960
Speaker 4: what I mean. So it was just a different dynamic

482
00:21:09,440 --> 00:21:11,560
Speaker 4: when GP and d Wade out there because he allowed

483
00:21:11,640 --> 00:21:13,880
Speaker 4: d Wade to be more offensive minded. Way he didn't

484
00:21:13,880 --> 00:21:16,240
Speaker 4: have to worry about Garden that that top two guard.

485
00:21:16,320 --> 00:21:19,040
Speaker 4: You can kind of hide v Wade defensively and let

486
00:21:19,240 --> 00:21:21,800
Speaker 4: let GP guard that top two guard and take that

487
00:21:21,840 --> 00:21:24,639
Speaker 4: assignment on the perimeinal. So that's what that separation was

488
00:21:24,640 --> 00:21:27,240
Speaker 4: at but it was used to be problems. I mean,

489
00:21:27,359 --> 00:21:29,520
Speaker 4: we used to have problem pat Patter and GP had

490
00:21:29,560 --> 00:21:33,040
Speaker 4: their moments, you know what I mean, Where would Patty

491
00:21:33,040 --> 00:21:35,080
Speaker 4: had to challenge GP and and go at him, and

492
00:21:35,400 --> 00:21:38,160
Speaker 4: y'all know how GP is. He ain't taking coming coming,

493
00:21:38,240 --> 00:21:41,399
Speaker 4: He coming right back and and responding. So that's what

494
00:21:41,480 --> 00:21:44,040
Speaker 4: made it great though, because those things, in those moments

495
00:21:44,080 --> 00:21:46,400
Speaker 4: just stayed in the locker room no matter how bad

496
00:21:46,440 --> 00:21:47,080
Speaker 4: it got.

497
00:21:47,359 --> 00:21:50,439
Speaker 3: I'll expand on what Twyan say and just say this.

498
00:21:50,600 --> 00:21:53,600
Speaker 3: First of all, you're gonna play with g. You know

499
00:21:53,600 --> 00:21:55,560
Speaker 3: what I mean. You're gonna play G's way. You know

500
00:21:55,600 --> 00:21:57,560
Speaker 3: what I mean. We're gonna play. We're gonna play play.

501
00:21:57,720 --> 00:21:59,639
Speaker 3: We ain't gonna out here for ships and giggles like

502
00:22:00,080 --> 00:22:02,480
Speaker 3: he'd be one. He desires to win, you know what

503
00:22:02,520 --> 00:22:04,560
Speaker 3: I mean. So if he gonna take a diminished role

504
00:22:05,000 --> 00:22:06,879
Speaker 3: and he gonna be off the ball and not taking

505
00:22:06,880 --> 00:22:10,399
Speaker 3: the last shot or initiating the offense like you're gonna

506
00:22:10,400 --> 00:22:12,040
Speaker 3: have to, we're gonna we're gonna do this the right way.

507
00:22:12,040 --> 00:22:13,760
Speaker 3: If I'm gonna be doing this, I mean d way

508
00:22:13,800 --> 00:22:16,040
Speaker 3: you need to be doing this, Twine. I need you

509
00:22:16,119 --> 00:22:19,439
Speaker 3: right here sometimes like having a veteran like that in

510
00:22:19,480 --> 00:22:22,280
Speaker 3: the locker room that's not starting but has all that

511
00:22:22,359 --> 00:22:25,720
Speaker 3: wealthy experience. It's crazy. Them dudes be leading the championships.

512
00:22:25,880 --> 00:22:28,680
Speaker 3: You can go down to let Sam Cassal on somebody's bench.

513
00:22:29,000 --> 00:22:32,320
Speaker 3: Anybody out of that nineties generation point guard that kind

514
00:22:32,320 --> 00:22:34,080
Speaker 3: of was like knew how to post people up, make

515
00:22:34,119 --> 00:22:36,200
Speaker 3: plays out of the post them dudes, you know what

516
00:22:36,200 --> 00:22:37,720
Speaker 3: I mean. Once they get out of that, you know

517
00:22:37,760 --> 00:22:39,760
Speaker 3: I'm no longer starting. You put them on the bench,

518
00:22:40,600 --> 00:22:44,520
Speaker 3: they run the ship right and then with a with

519
00:22:44,640 --> 00:22:49,760
Speaker 3: a polarizing personality like GP GP, it gets all the attention.

520
00:22:50,160 --> 00:22:51,879
Speaker 3: So you just get to go play basketball.

521
00:22:52,200 --> 00:22:54,840
Speaker 1: He gonna let me, ya, Yeah, he gonna get let me.

522
00:22:54,880 --> 00:22:57,680
Speaker 4: Also, add this to what you're saying, the unique thing

523
00:22:57,680 --> 00:22:59,440
Speaker 4: about our team too, that a lot of people don't

524
00:22:59,480 --> 00:23:03,880
Speaker 4: don't talk about. Man, you gotta talk about U D. Yeah, yeah,

525
00:23:03,920 --> 00:23:07,520
Speaker 4: you gotta talk about James Posey. You know, everybody throws

526
00:23:07,560 --> 00:23:10,399
Speaker 4: shock D Wade and then but those guys were so

527
00:23:10,560 --> 00:23:13,879
Speaker 4: big for us because now we got interchangeable situations, you

528
00:23:13,880 --> 00:23:14,240
Speaker 4: know what I mean?

529
00:23:15,040 --> 00:23:15,159
Speaker 3: Now?

530
00:23:15,480 --> 00:23:17,359
Speaker 4: And U D was coming out a great year the

531
00:23:17,400 --> 00:23:19,840
Speaker 4: year before, so he had accepted a different role with

532
00:23:19,960 --> 00:23:22,640
Speaker 4: me coming in and not all three of us kind

533
00:23:22,640 --> 00:23:26,160
Speaker 4: of rotating the minutes, Me, posey him, We all rotating

534
00:23:26,160 --> 00:23:28,959
Speaker 4: a minute. So and then those guys are elite defenders,

535
00:23:29,600 --> 00:23:31,440
Speaker 4: guys that you get that bread and butter on the

536
00:23:31,480 --> 00:23:34,199
Speaker 4: defensive end. So we had guys to defend. But I

537
00:23:34,200 --> 00:23:38,760
Speaker 4: think the fact that everybody accepted their role was huge.

538
00:23:38,920 --> 00:23:40,640
Speaker 4: I mean, that's that's what made it cool. And that's

539
00:23:40,640 --> 00:23:43,480
Speaker 4: why I kind of started off talking about that off

540
00:23:43,520 --> 00:23:45,679
Speaker 4: the court stuff that was so big for us that

541
00:23:45,760 --> 00:23:47,960
Speaker 4: we got along off the court, Like, you know.

542
00:23:48,440 --> 00:23:51,200
Speaker 3: Was playing defense that year. Yeah, I had to rebound.

543
00:23:51,720 --> 00:23:54,520
Speaker 3: You was rebounding a little more. It was it was

544
00:23:54,560 --> 00:23:57,320
Speaker 3: a little different. You always rebound, but it looked like, nah,

545
00:23:57,400 --> 00:23:59,639
Speaker 3: I need to grab ten rebounds real quick, you know

546
00:23:59,680 --> 00:24:00,000
Speaker 3: what I mean.

547
00:24:00,480 --> 00:24:02,400
Speaker 4: And you know that film session. Y'all know that film

548
00:24:02,440 --> 00:24:05,080
Speaker 4: session is real. So you know a pat Riley film

549
00:24:05,080 --> 00:24:10,200
Speaker 4: session maybe two hours. Bro's cutting up the video, yeah,

550
00:24:10,320 --> 00:24:14,439
Speaker 4: Spoe cutting up the video? Ye yeah, yeah, much. I

551
00:24:14,480 --> 00:24:16,000
Speaker 4: do got to guess for a lot of love, hold on,

552
00:24:16,080 --> 00:24:18,359
Speaker 4: because that's that. I get two reasons I'm gonna say

553
00:24:18,400 --> 00:24:19,919
Speaker 4: this to him, Glad you brought his name up. The

554
00:24:19,960 --> 00:24:22,600
Speaker 4: first thing on the development of d Wade. To watch

555
00:24:22,640 --> 00:24:25,200
Speaker 4: him every day work with d Wade down the other end,

556
00:24:25,520 --> 00:24:27,520
Speaker 4: and they work on d Way's game and everything.

557
00:24:27,560 --> 00:24:29,320
Speaker 1: I witnessed that. I saw that.

558
00:24:29,400 --> 00:24:32,440
Speaker 4: I saw how close him and d Wade was as

559
00:24:32,480 --> 00:24:35,320
Speaker 4: far as his development in the game. But then also

560
00:24:35,520 --> 00:24:37,960
Speaker 4: was young. He was a guy. If you didn't know this,

561
00:24:38,119 --> 00:24:40,840
Speaker 4: but he ran the meetings, y'all know how to you

562
00:24:40,880 --> 00:24:42,840
Speaker 4: know how he running all the meetings. He's doing all

563
00:24:42,880 --> 00:24:46,560
Speaker 4: the chalk talk. He breaking down East player. Uh was

564
00:24:46,600 --> 00:24:48,840
Speaker 4: a big part. And you could tell he's gonna be

565
00:24:48,880 --> 00:24:51,359
Speaker 4: a great coach. I mean, obviously I know he's gonna be,

566
00:24:51,960 --> 00:24:53,840
Speaker 4: you know, Hall of Fame coach like this. But I

567
00:24:53,920 --> 00:24:55,520
Speaker 4: knew he was gonna be a good coach because the

568
00:24:55,560 --> 00:24:57,880
Speaker 4: way he was able to run, run the team, run

569
00:24:57,880 --> 00:25:00,359
Speaker 4: the practice and everything. So he would he was a

570
00:25:00,359 --> 00:25:03,639
Speaker 4: big focal point, especially when obviously when Stan got to

571
00:25:03,720 --> 00:25:06,880
Speaker 4: let go, Spoe took over. You know, Pat coming down

572
00:25:06,880 --> 00:25:08,879
Speaker 4: at forty you know o' clock at forty five, he

573
00:25:08,920 --> 00:25:10,960
Speaker 4: wants you in your seat dressed at forty five, Pac

574
00:25:11,040 --> 00:25:11,840
Speaker 4: coming in at.

575
00:25:11,920 --> 00:25:12,840
Speaker 1: At forty six.

576
00:25:13,480 --> 00:25:15,520
Speaker 4: But the spodn went over all the you know, all

577
00:25:15,520 --> 00:25:18,400
Speaker 4: the plays and went over the game plan and then

578
00:25:18,400 --> 00:25:20,720
Speaker 4: Patty's coming in and finishing it off. So we had

579
00:25:20,720 --> 00:25:22,760
Speaker 4: a great system. And but I do want to give

580
00:25:22,760 --> 00:25:25,200
Speaker 4: Spoe some love because he was tremendous and the big

581
00:25:25,240 --> 00:25:26,800
Speaker 4: part of us win the championship that year.

582
00:25:27,359 --> 00:25:30,840
Speaker 2: A spo Right now, seven hundred and fifty wins as

583
00:25:30,880 --> 00:25:34,040
Speaker 2: a coach. The all time record is thirteen eighty eight.

584
00:25:34,200 --> 00:25:34,520
Speaker 1: Pop.

585
00:25:37,119 --> 00:25:40,560
Speaker 4: He got, he got. They gotta, they gotta give him

586
00:25:40,600 --> 00:25:42,600
Speaker 4: a little bit more talent. He got the deal. Now,

587
00:25:43,119 --> 00:25:45,520
Speaker 4: he got the deal. He got the deal.

588
00:25:46,160 --> 00:25:48,640
Speaker 5: He got lifetime, the lifetime Godfather deal.

589
00:25:48,960 --> 00:25:49,720
Speaker 1: He got the deal.

590
00:25:50,040 --> 00:25:52,360
Speaker 4: He's he's, he's, he's he'll be he'll be the GM

591
00:25:52,480 --> 00:25:55,360
Speaker 4: after after you get through with uh. After that he'll

592
00:25:55,359 --> 00:25:57,600
Speaker 4: be running basketball operations. But yeah, he got the deal.

593
00:25:57,640 --> 00:26:00,320
Speaker 4: But I don't know they got it. They gotta they

594
00:26:00,320 --> 00:26:01,320
Speaker 4: gotta figure.

595
00:26:01,040 --> 00:26:04,320
Speaker 3: Out what, Yeah, to cover it a little bit now.

596
00:26:04,240 --> 00:26:07,080
Speaker 4: Jimmy, Jimmy's getting old. Jimmy's getting old. They gotta they

597
00:26:07,080 --> 00:26:09,640
Speaker 4: gotta redo it. Bam BAM's young. Like they're gonna build

598
00:26:09,680 --> 00:26:13,479
Speaker 4: around Bam. So but he can coach though, I mean,

599
00:26:13,720 --> 00:26:15,720
Speaker 4: you almost can book fifty wins.

600
00:26:17,920 --> 00:26:19,560
Speaker 2: I heard you tell a story that at the end

601
00:26:19,600 --> 00:26:21,560
Speaker 2: of the season, Riley kind of came to you guys

602
00:26:21,600 --> 00:26:24,200
Speaker 2: and asked you what seed you wanted, and you kind

603
00:26:24,200 --> 00:26:26,760
Speaker 2: of played out the last five ten games to map

604
00:26:26,800 --> 00:26:29,720
Speaker 2: out the final standings.

605
00:26:29,720 --> 00:26:30,920
Speaker 5: Can you talk to us about that?

606
00:26:32,080 --> 00:26:34,119
Speaker 4: Yeah, we was. He just really had a heart to

607
00:26:34,160 --> 00:26:38,399
Speaker 4: heart with us. We were rolling and we struggled with

608
00:26:38,480 --> 00:26:40,160
Speaker 4: some teams, you know what I mean, So we kind

609
00:26:40,160 --> 00:26:41,640
Speaker 4: of we still didn't have an identity.

610
00:26:41,680 --> 00:26:43,439
Speaker 1: We didn't know what was at We knew.

611
00:26:43,320 --> 00:26:47,040
Speaker 4: We wanted home court advantage, but we could have probably

612
00:26:47,119 --> 00:26:48,960
Speaker 4: kept out footing the gas a little bit at the

613
00:26:49,080 --> 00:26:52,600
Speaker 4: end and probably probably went to fifty five fifty seven wins.

614
00:26:53,000 --> 00:26:55,439
Speaker 4: How important was that? Pat would kind of wanted it

615
00:26:55,520 --> 00:26:58,800
Speaker 4: a little bit, but Shack was really adamant about like, hey,

616
00:26:58,800 --> 00:27:01,120
Speaker 4: that's going to playoffs healthy, you know what I mean.

617
00:27:01,200 --> 00:27:04,000
Speaker 4: These games don't aanything. We're gonna have a top four seed.

618
00:27:04,040 --> 00:27:04,480
Speaker 1: We cool.

619
00:27:04,840 --> 00:27:06,720
Speaker 4: So that's why we kind of panned out at fifty

620
00:27:06,760 --> 00:27:09,320
Speaker 4: two wins. We probably could have got the fifty five

621
00:27:09,440 --> 00:27:11,119
Speaker 4: fifty seven you know.

622
00:27:11,119 --> 00:27:11,440
Speaker 3: What I mean?

623
00:27:11,480 --> 00:27:14,440
Speaker 4: But was that gonna make a big enough difference for us?

624
00:27:14,840 --> 00:27:16,879
Speaker 4: But you know, we was worried about Detroit. I mean,

625
00:27:16,920 --> 00:27:19,520
Speaker 4: obviously that's all we was thinking about, you know, having

626
00:27:19,560 --> 00:27:23,040
Speaker 4: a home court. We gotta play Detroit. You know that's crazy.

627
00:27:23,119 --> 00:27:25,240
Speaker 4: Great minds think a lot, because that was that Phil

628
00:27:25,320 --> 00:27:29,000
Speaker 4: Jackson shit. He would like be tracking the Siege during

629
00:27:29,040 --> 00:27:31,800
Speaker 4: the season. He know how many games in every ten

630
00:27:31,880 --> 00:27:33,320
Speaker 4: we need to go eight and ten this month?

631
00:27:33,320 --> 00:27:35,240
Speaker 3: What's see? He used to be like, what siege y'all want?

632
00:27:35,520 --> 00:27:37,560
Speaker 3: How we all we want home court? Okay, so this

633
00:27:37,680 --> 00:27:40,320
Speaker 3: month we need to go per ten games. We need

634
00:27:40,359 --> 00:27:42,840
Speaker 3: to be here seven and three. Here can be loose,

635
00:27:42,880 --> 00:27:45,200
Speaker 3: but once we get here and then like it's the same.

636
00:27:45,280 --> 00:27:46,920
Speaker 3: It's funny, like that's why they got a big ass

637
00:27:47,000 --> 00:27:48,920
Speaker 3: rivalry because they got them big ass brains.

638
00:27:49,560 --> 00:27:53,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, Pattonfield, don't mess with each other, but you gotta

639
00:27:53,720 --> 00:27:54,440
Speaker 2: think about.

640
00:27:54,200 --> 00:27:55,440
Speaker 3: A friendly rivalry.

641
00:27:55,840 --> 00:27:57,959
Speaker 4: But you gotta think about this though. You know, some

642
00:27:58,040 --> 00:28:01,760
Speaker 4: teams play you well. That year the Bulls played us,

643
00:28:01,960 --> 00:28:04,479
Speaker 4: took us six games. The first series they played us

644
00:28:04,480 --> 00:28:07,560
Speaker 4: well though all your yeah they.

645
00:28:10,160 --> 00:28:12,600
Speaker 5: D Wade said that Heinrich played him better than anybody.

646
00:28:13,000 --> 00:28:15,040
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, that was that was a tough series. You

647
00:28:15,080 --> 00:28:15,480
Speaker 1: know what I mean.

648
00:28:16,080 --> 00:28:17,960
Speaker 4: You know, you want to avoid those matchups. So we

649
00:28:18,000 --> 00:28:19,960
Speaker 4: didn't really want to play Chicago and they took us

650
00:28:19,960 --> 00:28:21,600
Speaker 4: six games. It took us a minute to get them

651
00:28:21,680 --> 00:28:23,640
Speaker 4: up out of there, like it was a tough thing.

652
00:28:24,040 --> 00:28:25,840
Speaker 4: Then we got to New Jersey, they didn't really We

653
00:28:25,880 --> 00:28:28,760
Speaker 4: beat them in five, and that's after losing game one.

654
00:28:28,800 --> 00:28:30,800
Speaker 4: We ran off four straight, you know what I mean.

655
00:28:30,840 --> 00:28:32,680
Speaker 4: So you gotta look at and then obviously we knew

656
00:28:32,680 --> 00:28:34,159
Speaker 4: what the Troit was gonna bring. We knew that was

657
00:28:34,200 --> 00:28:37,520
Speaker 4: going to be a tough series. And even with the

658
00:28:37,600 --> 00:28:40,760
Speaker 4: Dallas series, I mean we we knew, you know, going

659
00:28:40,840 --> 00:28:44,840
Speaker 4: oh to, we never felt like we're gonna lose this series.

660
00:28:45,080 --> 00:28:47,280
Speaker 4: Not not to take anything away from Dallas, we just

661
00:28:47,520 --> 00:28:51,040
Speaker 4: we didn't feel that way. We knew we matched up

662
00:28:51,080 --> 00:28:53,480
Speaker 4: really well with them, and we knew we had to

663
00:28:53,480 --> 00:28:55,520
Speaker 4: make a few adjustments, but we were gonna we had

664
00:28:55,520 --> 00:28:58,040
Speaker 4: a good We had enough bodies to throw at dirt.

665
00:28:58,320 --> 00:29:01,360
Speaker 4: You have myself, U d posey. I mean he's seeing

666
00:29:01,360 --> 00:29:03,640
Speaker 4: four or five guys, you know, you know, any superstar

667
00:29:03,720 --> 00:29:06,360
Speaker 4: you got four or five guys going. You know, it's tough.

668
00:29:07,000 --> 00:29:09,440
Speaker 4: That's a lot different guys, different looks. If he still

669
00:29:09,480 --> 00:29:12,360
Speaker 4: play great, yeah he still played great, but you just

670
00:29:12,400 --> 00:29:13,840
Speaker 4: had a lot of different looks of him. So We

671
00:29:13,960 --> 00:29:16,280
Speaker 4: just felt good even when it was down oh two.

672
00:29:16,320 --> 00:29:20,360
Speaker 4: So that that that playoff wrong was was very strategic

673
00:29:20,400 --> 00:29:23,840
Speaker 4: in the way that how we knew each opponent, how

674
00:29:23,840 --> 00:29:26,040
Speaker 4: we didn't mind coming in as a three seed. We

675
00:29:26,080 --> 00:29:28,160
Speaker 4: didn't mind, you know, no noring we had to go

676
00:29:28,240 --> 00:29:29,680
Speaker 4: through to get to the ultimate goal.

677
00:29:29,800 --> 00:29:32,080
Speaker 3: Players be be coming out of them timeouts in them

678
00:29:32,080 --> 00:29:34,000
Speaker 3: locker rooms. It don't be a lot of the axes

679
00:29:34,000 --> 00:29:37,160
Speaker 3: and us as it be to the guys telling each

680
00:29:37,160 --> 00:29:40,000
Speaker 3: other like we're gonna weather this ship. This shit gonna

681
00:29:40,000 --> 00:29:42,880
Speaker 3: be all right, don't run that ship. Run this ship,

682
00:29:42,960 --> 00:29:44,520
Speaker 3: you know what I mean, Keep going to him like

683
00:29:44,560 --> 00:29:47,800
Speaker 3: you'll be surprised, Like after that huddle the coach called something.

684
00:29:47,840 --> 00:29:50,760
Speaker 3: But always tell Dylan like sometimes out of that huddle

685
00:29:50,800 --> 00:29:52,960
Speaker 3: when you walking back, you know, you might see two

686
00:29:53,040 --> 00:29:55,000
Speaker 3: dudes covering their mouth. Feel like, man, you better not

687
00:29:55,080 --> 00:29:55,640
Speaker 3: run that ship.

688
00:29:59,400 --> 00:30:01,560
Speaker 4: And then the you know this and you know it's

689
00:30:01,560 --> 00:30:04,600
Speaker 4: the sacrifice. To be honest, I always tell people that championship,

690
00:30:04,640 --> 00:30:07,600
Speaker 4: it's the sacrifice. It's so much mental sacrifice you gotta

691
00:30:07,640 --> 00:30:10,480
Speaker 4: make and take the personal out of it. And like

692
00:30:10,560 --> 00:30:13,120
Speaker 4: you said, I was playing defense taking charges, you know

693
00:30:13,160 --> 00:30:15,040
Speaker 4: what I mean. We had a charge. I never took

694
00:30:15,040 --> 00:30:18,200
Speaker 4: no charge. So I got to Miami. I'm guarding now

695
00:30:18,440 --> 00:30:20,800
Speaker 4: because that for me, it was the biggest adjustment for me.

696
00:30:20,840 --> 00:30:22,800
Speaker 4: A lot of people don't know, is he put me

697
00:30:22,840 --> 00:30:24,880
Speaker 4: at the three. I had to if I wanted to

698
00:30:24,880 --> 00:30:26,480
Speaker 4: play my minutes, I had to move to the three

699
00:30:26,520 --> 00:30:29,280
Speaker 4: because ultimate me and me and U D had to

700
00:30:29,280 --> 00:30:30,200
Speaker 4: be on the floor together.

701
00:30:31,160 --> 00:30:34,920
Speaker 3: So now the way around used to you seeing you

702
00:30:35,360 --> 00:30:38,320
Speaker 3: after four, you was pulling us out at the four.

703
00:30:38,600 --> 00:30:42,520
Speaker 4: Yeah, he was playing to you was okay the three,

704
00:30:42,800 --> 00:30:45,239
Speaker 4: he was at the fourth. So what was hard for

705
00:30:45,280 --> 00:30:49,640
Speaker 4: me and a challenge for me was guarding threes. So

706
00:30:49,640 --> 00:30:52,080
Speaker 4: so like you got to think, my first round of playoffs,

707
00:30:52,120 --> 00:30:55,040
Speaker 4: I'm chasing lu all dang around. That's different for me.

708
00:30:55,400 --> 00:30:58,400
Speaker 4: Then I got Richard Jefferson the second round. That's a

709
00:30:58,400 --> 00:31:00,680
Speaker 4: whole nother dynamic. Then take something. Prince was a little

710
00:31:00,720 --> 00:31:03,040
Speaker 4: more easier. Not a guy that's not gonna he's not

711
00:31:03,040 --> 00:31:04,880
Speaker 4: gonna run as much, you know what I mean, He's

712
00:31:04,880 --> 00:31:06,640
Speaker 4: not moving around as much. So that was a little

713
00:31:06,680 --> 00:31:09,920
Speaker 4: different than the championship series. I got Josh Howard, you

714
00:31:09,920 --> 00:31:10,280
Speaker 4: know what I.

715
00:31:10,160 --> 00:31:17,160
Speaker 5: Mean, Josh on our show in three days.

716
00:31:17,480 --> 00:31:19,560
Speaker 4: But no, the best but the best thing about it,

717
00:31:19,800 --> 00:31:22,240
Speaker 4: like I got somebody like you behind me. Now I

718
00:31:22,240 --> 00:31:24,560
Speaker 4: got shocked andy way, so I had to learn how

719
00:31:24,560 --> 00:31:26,320
Speaker 4: to funnel these dudes.

720
00:31:26,440 --> 00:31:29,960
Speaker 3: He ship.

721
00:31:30,520 --> 00:31:32,440
Speaker 4: So now I'm like, Okay, all the guys do is

722
00:31:32,480 --> 00:31:34,800
Speaker 4: not get beat the first move, you know, make him

723
00:31:34,840 --> 00:31:36,640
Speaker 4: go to a second move so my big man can

724
00:31:36,680 --> 00:31:39,400
Speaker 4: be there. So I just that's how I started to

725
00:31:39,440 --> 00:31:41,959
Speaker 4: just train myself mentally because I knew these guys were

726
00:31:42,000 --> 00:31:43,360
Speaker 4: quicker than me. They were going, you know what I mean,

727
00:31:43,360 --> 00:31:45,040
Speaker 4: they can make moves on me, but as long as

728
00:31:45,080 --> 00:31:47,840
Speaker 4: I can get that help behind me, I can guard them.

729
00:31:47,880 --> 00:31:49,960
Speaker 4: So that's the way I went about doing it. So

730
00:31:50,000 --> 00:31:53,800
Speaker 4: it was a different dynamic for me and personally just defensively,

731
00:31:53,840 --> 00:31:55,840
Speaker 4: but that's what it takes to win championships.

732
00:31:56,120 --> 00:31:57,080
Speaker 1: That's what makes that.

733
00:31:56,920 --> 00:32:00,280
Speaker 4: That year so special because everybody had to sacrifice in

734
00:32:00,320 --> 00:32:03,000
Speaker 4: different ways that people on the outside wouldn't even know

735
00:32:03,120 --> 00:32:05,760
Speaker 4: or understand the challenges, you know what I mean. Like

736
00:32:05,800 --> 00:32:08,160
Speaker 4: we had to figure out how to do a shock

737
00:32:08,200 --> 00:32:09,520
Speaker 4: in the pick and roll, and you know exactly on

738
00:32:09,680 --> 00:32:12,800
Speaker 4: talking about we're either gonna stay down or you're gonna show.

739
00:32:13,520 --> 00:32:15,560
Speaker 4: And we got to the point where where Rob's like look,

740
00:32:15,880 --> 00:32:20,320
Speaker 4: you not never showing, never, never showing send it down,

741
00:32:20,520 --> 00:32:23,240
Speaker 4: like we ain't Finnah sit here and make this thing difficult,

742
00:32:23,280 --> 00:32:25,640
Speaker 4: make it hard you and Zoe. And Zoe was a

743
00:32:25,640 --> 00:32:27,400
Speaker 4: little quicker than Shock, and he could move a little

744
00:32:27,400 --> 00:32:29,960
Speaker 4: bit better, but he was like, loll listen, be sending

745
00:32:29,960 --> 00:32:30,400
Speaker 4: it down.

746
00:32:30,640 --> 00:32:31,400
Speaker 1: We not don't.

747
00:32:31,680 --> 00:32:33,840
Speaker 4: Nobody had to worry about so you got to fight

748
00:32:33,880 --> 00:32:35,920
Speaker 4: over that pick or send it down, jump to the side.

749
00:32:35,960 --> 00:32:37,440
Speaker 1: So we just figured it out.

750
00:32:37,560 --> 00:32:39,080
Speaker 4: And I think that's what made it, you know, that's

751
00:32:39,080 --> 00:32:41,120
Speaker 4: what That's another thing that made it, especially because everybody

752
00:32:41,120 --> 00:32:43,360
Speaker 4: had their way of figuring out how we could be

753
00:32:43,400 --> 00:32:46,840
Speaker 4: better within this system. But the main thing was, let

754
00:32:47,080 --> 00:32:50,000
Speaker 4: let d Wade b d Wade and let's play off him.

755
00:32:50,280 --> 00:32:52,800
Speaker 4: Let's figure out how to play off him. And that's

756
00:32:52,800 --> 00:32:55,040
Speaker 4: how we that's how we rolled. And Pat Rody told

757
00:32:55,080 --> 00:32:57,200
Speaker 4: us us to today, We're going to d Wade. It's

758
00:32:57,240 --> 00:32:59,280
Speaker 4: the first oibes and Shock is the second. Everybody else

759
00:32:59,320 --> 00:33:00,000
Speaker 4: got to get in with it.

760
00:33:00,120 --> 00:33:00,440
Speaker 3: Fit in.

761
00:33:01,240 --> 00:33:05,360
Speaker 2: What's your message to the five million MAVs fans who

762
00:33:05,480 --> 00:33:08,239
Speaker 2: pointed the referees and said, oh, you know, we had

763
00:33:08,280 --> 00:33:10,360
Speaker 2: Devin Harris on the show, who was guarding Wade and

764
00:33:10,360 --> 00:33:13,480
Speaker 2: said it was basically, when waves moving like that, how

765
00:33:13,520 --> 00:33:17,120
Speaker 2: athletic he was and he's getting the whistle, it's physically impossible.

766
00:33:17,280 --> 00:33:18,680
Speaker 2: So I'm sure you've heard it a lot. What is

767
00:33:18,720 --> 00:33:24,240
Speaker 2: your message to the salty MAVs fans that blame the refs'.

768
00:33:22,560 --> 00:33:24,160
Speaker 4: I gotta think about it. D Wade was not a

769
00:33:24,160 --> 00:33:26,840
Speaker 4: great three point shooter. He didn't rely on his jump shot.

770
00:33:26,880 --> 00:33:28,880
Speaker 4: Everything was to the basket. He was in attack mode.

771
00:33:29,240 --> 00:33:31,320
Speaker 4: When you're attacking the basket like that, you're gonna get

772
00:33:31,360 --> 00:33:34,360
Speaker 4: the calls, You're gonna get the fairness of the whistle.

773
00:33:34,440 --> 00:33:37,400
Speaker 4: He was not a jump shooter. D Wade was a slasher.

774
00:33:37,440 --> 00:33:39,600
Speaker 4: D Way was great in the open court. He's one

775
00:33:39,600 --> 00:33:41,200
Speaker 4: of the best players over court. You gotta know what

776
00:33:41,280 --> 00:33:43,880
Speaker 4: type of player that he was back then, So people

777
00:33:43,920 --> 00:33:45,840
Speaker 4: don't understand that. He was not a guy that was

778
00:33:45,880 --> 00:33:48,000
Speaker 4: gonna shoot six threes a game.

779
00:33:48,320 --> 00:33:52,840
Speaker 3: The wave glass buggie off glass buggie from outside for

780
00:33:52,880 --> 00:33:55,360
Speaker 3: a minute, the little Scottie Banks, So yeah, you know

781
00:33:55,360 --> 00:33:57,160
Speaker 3: what I mean. As far as he was taking it back,

782
00:33:57,240 --> 00:33:57,440
Speaker 3: he was.

783
00:33:57,440 --> 00:33:59,040
Speaker 4: One of the best guys of getting in the lane

784
00:33:59,120 --> 00:34:00,840
Speaker 4: and getting out of them trans this and he's gonna

785
00:34:00,840 --> 00:34:02,520
Speaker 4: get it. He's gonna get six to eight that way,

786
00:34:02,840 --> 00:34:05,720
Speaker 4: and then everything else is downhill when he comes off

787
00:34:05,720 --> 00:34:08,360
Speaker 4: one of those curls. He coming in there here attacking

788
00:34:08,360 --> 00:34:10,960
Speaker 4: the basket man and that and and people didn't understand

789
00:34:11,000 --> 00:34:13,920
Speaker 4: that that's where he separated himself, his ability to go

790
00:34:14,000 --> 00:34:15,600
Speaker 4: to the basket and attack.

791
00:34:16,160 --> 00:34:21,640
Speaker 3: So that sideline heard, Yeah, yeah, how.

792
00:34:21,480 --> 00:34:23,719
Speaker 4: Many finals and how many games have you watching? You

793
00:34:23,719 --> 00:34:25,480
Speaker 4: you played in games like this when you saw Kobe

794
00:34:25,520 --> 00:34:29,000
Speaker 4: shoot twenty free throws, when you saw Michael Jordan shoot

795
00:34:29,000 --> 00:34:31,760
Speaker 4: twenty free throws. Guys that attack the basket, that demand

796
00:34:31,840 --> 00:34:34,640
Speaker 4: double teams and attack the basket get foul calls.

797
00:34:34,719 --> 00:34:37,239
Speaker 1: They typically are getting fouled. That's just that's how the

798
00:34:37,360 --> 00:34:37,920
Speaker 1: Wade was.

799
00:34:38,640 --> 00:34:41,440
Speaker 4: What about when they was up game, they was up

800
00:34:41,480 --> 00:34:45,200
Speaker 4: and at our place and we walked them down. You

801
00:34:45,239 --> 00:34:47,040
Speaker 4: got it, so they got a hold. They got a

802
00:34:47,040 --> 00:34:49,759
Speaker 4: whole little way to that too. We we closed it

803
00:34:49,760 --> 00:34:53,759
Speaker 4: out on the floor, you know what I mean. So

804
00:34:53,800 --> 00:34:56,480
Speaker 4: it's it's it's both sides to it. But I understand

805
00:34:56,640 --> 00:34:58,239
Speaker 4: where where you can see that when you look at

806
00:34:58,239 --> 00:34:59,880
Speaker 4: the numbers and you just look at the stat sheet.

807
00:35:00,239 --> 00:35:01,840
Speaker 4: But d Wade put a lot of pressure on you.

808
00:35:01,880 --> 00:35:06,520
Speaker 2: Man, I got two questions. Uh, is Dwayne Wade the

809
00:35:06,560 --> 00:35:07,759
Speaker 2: third best shooting guard ever?

810
00:35:11,600 --> 00:35:13,879
Speaker 1: I'm going Michael Kobe d Wade?

811
00:35:13,960 --> 00:35:16,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, okay.

812
00:35:16,080 --> 00:35:19,799
Speaker 2: And then if you're drawing up a play, you're down

813
00:35:19,880 --> 00:35:22,960
Speaker 2: one ten seconds left, you need a bucket.

814
00:35:23,480 --> 00:35:25,720
Speaker 5: Paul Pierce or Dwayne Wade.

815
00:35:26,239 --> 00:35:31,880
Speaker 3: Or Twin Walker Twin Twanka, I got.

816
00:35:33,280 --> 00:35:34,080
Speaker 1: No, I've been. I've been.

817
00:35:34,120 --> 00:35:36,480
Speaker 4: Actually, comparison to those two guys, It's got me in

818
00:35:36,520 --> 00:35:39,640
Speaker 4: trouble with the Wade a lot because I have a

819
00:35:39,640 --> 00:35:42,560
Speaker 4: lot of respect for Paul and Paul's game. I know

820
00:35:42,600 --> 00:35:45,279
Speaker 4: we don't sometimes put them in that conversation when you

821
00:35:45,280 --> 00:35:48,120
Speaker 4: talk about goats and guys in the league and great players.

822
00:35:48,120 --> 00:35:50,320
Speaker 1: Sometimes he gets overlooked closer.

823
00:35:51,440 --> 00:35:55,719
Speaker 4: But late fourth quarter, I've seen two guys that can

824
00:35:55,719 --> 00:35:59,759
Speaker 4: get you fifteen to twenty in a quarter. I tend

825
00:35:59,760 --> 00:36:02,279
Speaker 4: to tow ards more Paul because of his ability to

826
00:36:02,280 --> 00:36:07,040
Speaker 4: shoot the three where the waye's more of a slasher.

827
00:36:07,120 --> 00:36:09,879
Speaker 4: Guy's gonna get to the basket where it's ultimately tough

828
00:36:10,040 --> 00:36:10,920
Speaker 4: laden games.

829
00:36:11,200 --> 00:36:12,080
Speaker 1: So I always tend.

830
00:36:12,000 --> 00:36:14,000
Speaker 4: To go with Paul in that situation because he can

831
00:36:14,560 --> 00:36:17,000
Speaker 4: make a knockdown three point shot, just stand still, make

832
00:36:17,400 --> 00:36:19,680
Speaker 4: a cold blooded three point shot.

833
00:36:20,800 --> 00:36:23,680
Speaker 3: But getting mad at you that's some student analysis. That's

834
00:36:23,680 --> 00:36:27,760
Speaker 3: some high level of basketball analysis right there. That's fair trade.

835
00:36:28,200 --> 00:36:31,040
Speaker 4: Well, we're from Chicago, you know, you know, you know

836
00:36:31,040 --> 00:36:33,320
Speaker 4: what I mean that that part. But no, I A

837
00:36:33,320 --> 00:36:37,600
Speaker 4: would say that I have to always give Paul his flowers.

838
00:36:38,200 --> 00:36:41,279
Speaker 4: You know, I played seven years with Paul and I

839
00:36:41,360 --> 00:36:45,480
Speaker 4: watched some unbelievable basketball. He's one of the elite scorers

840
00:36:45,520 --> 00:36:47,440
Speaker 4: that would play the game, and you know, I just

841
00:36:47,560 --> 00:36:50,000
Speaker 4: you know, sometimes he gets overlooked because you see guys

842
00:36:50,080 --> 00:36:53,800
Speaker 4: like the Kd's and obviously Lebron. Those guys they averaged

843
00:36:53,840 --> 00:36:57,239
Speaker 4: more close to thirty. But Paul's twenty five, twenty six,

844
00:36:57,320 --> 00:36:58,040
Speaker 4: twenty seven was.

845
00:36:58,040 --> 00:37:02,960
Speaker 3: Special, special clow where you can get it on.

846
00:37:03,040 --> 00:37:04,480
Speaker 4: It's like best cardon you know, it's kind of like

847
00:37:04,560 --> 00:37:06,640
Speaker 4: we think about best cardon men. Carter probably got what

848
00:37:06,800 --> 00:37:10,839
Speaker 4: ten years at twenty five a night. Jason McGrady had

849
00:37:11,040 --> 00:37:12,960
Speaker 4: a run of six seven years when he scored the

850
00:37:13,000 --> 00:37:16,880
Speaker 4: basketball at an unbelievable level. Look at James Harden, you

851
00:37:16,920 --> 00:37:18,880
Speaker 4: know what I mean, you got some great dynamic scores.

852
00:37:18,920 --> 00:37:21,680
Speaker 4: Sometimes we don't give him the credit because sometimes we

853
00:37:21,719 --> 00:37:24,920
Speaker 4: don't they're not putting that same pedestal as other guys,

854
00:37:25,000 --> 00:37:28,880
Speaker 4: but scoring the ball tough. I want it in his hands.

855
00:37:28,960 --> 00:37:31,080
Speaker 4: I mean, I like Paul two.

856
00:37:32,800 --> 00:37:37,440
Speaker 2: That aintother wrong. Last one for me, I got, I

857
00:37:37,480 --> 00:37:39,560
Speaker 2: got a couple more. I think you talked about a

858
00:37:39,600 --> 00:37:42,719
Speaker 2: little bit the sacrifices, but like that celebration for the championship,

859
00:37:42,719 --> 00:37:46,200
Speaker 2: when you go down the line yourself, Gary Payton, that's

860
00:37:46,239 --> 00:37:47,760
Speaker 2: his what fifteenth year in the league?

861
00:37:48,440 --> 00:37:51,719
Speaker 5: Shaq gets number four over Kobe.

862
00:37:51,719 --> 00:37:55,480
Speaker 2: Finally, Jason Williams after getting bounced around, he gets a

863
00:37:55,560 --> 00:37:59,160
Speaker 2: ring like where was the celebration and just how special

864
00:37:59,280 --> 00:38:03,240
Speaker 2: was the energy given that you know this team, uh,

865
00:38:03,600 --> 00:38:05,200
Speaker 2: you know a lot of people that had come to

866
00:38:05,200 --> 00:38:07,120
Speaker 2: the team, Like what was that energy like in the

867
00:38:07,160 --> 00:38:08,960
Speaker 2: celebration and where was it?

868
00:38:12,719 --> 00:38:13,960
Speaker 1: That was the best time? Man?

869
00:38:14,320 --> 00:38:17,399
Speaker 4: So it was crazy that so we went it there

870
00:38:17,520 --> 00:38:19,640
Speaker 4: so that that that kind of messed it up a

871
00:38:19,680 --> 00:38:21,440
Speaker 4: little bit. But we had one of the ballrooms in

872
00:38:22,239 --> 00:38:24,839
Speaker 4: the hotel, so we had our family everybody, so we

873
00:38:24,880 --> 00:38:27,439
Speaker 4: partied there and then I ain't gonna lie man. About

874
00:38:27,440 --> 00:38:29,239
Speaker 4: four in the morning, pat Riley was like, man, y'all

875
00:38:29,280 --> 00:38:32,239
Speaker 4: wad to get back to Miami. We won't leave the

876
00:38:32,239 --> 00:38:34,279
Speaker 4: family we getting out of here. We got out. We

877
00:38:34,360 --> 00:38:36,560
Speaker 4: ended up leaving like eight in the morning. Man, So

878
00:38:36,800 --> 00:38:41,239
Speaker 4: our first stop was we got back in and we

879
00:38:41,280 --> 00:38:45,480
Speaker 4: all went to the strip club that first night, Diamonds

880
00:38:45,960 --> 00:38:46,480
Speaker 4: Strip Club.

881
00:38:48,719 --> 00:38:51,279
Speaker 3: Just that just ain't no regular one.

882
00:38:53,160 --> 00:38:56,560
Speaker 4: Man, we probably bro. We probably did one fifty one

883
00:38:56,600 --> 00:38:57,840
Speaker 4: hundred and fifty thousand singles.

884
00:38:57,880 --> 00:38:58,200
Speaker 3: We went.

885
00:38:58,280 --> 00:39:01,200
Speaker 4: We at the full bro but it was all of us.

886
00:39:01,640 --> 00:39:05,359
Speaker 4: Everybody got ten twenty thousand singles. Man and man, we

887
00:39:05,400 --> 00:39:07,759
Speaker 4: act the food that night. That was that was the

888
00:39:07,760 --> 00:39:09,799
Speaker 4: first party.

889
00:39:10,040 --> 00:39:11,160
Speaker 3: He said, that was the first one.

890
00:39:11,200 --> 00:39:14,439
Speaker 4: And that was the first one. And then we got

891
00:39:14,440 --> 00:39:16,440
Speaker 4: to stay at our parade was a couple of days later.

892
00:39:16,600 --> 00:39:17,479
Speaker 1: We got it in again.

893
00:39:17,560 --> 00:39:19,160
Speaker 4: And then I left them, Guys, I ain't gonna lie

894
00:39:19,200 --> 00:39:21,279
Speaker 4: to you. I got on my own, my own court.

895
00:39:21,480 --> 00:39:23,000
Speaker 4: I love, I got about it. I went on my

896
00:39:23,040 --> 00:39:25,319
Speaker 4: third I went on my thirty day run, and I'm

897
00:39:25,320 --> 00:39:26,960
Speaker 4: gonna tell you funny story. I told the story be

898
00:39:27,040 --> 00:39:28,560
Speaker 4: first I went on a thirty day run. I grabbed

899
00:39:28,560 --> 00:39:30,840
Speaker 4: one of my boys, one of my good friends. I'm like, yo,

900
00:39:30,920 --> 00:39:34,040
Speaker 4: we're finish here. All the hot cities. I almost did it.

901
00:39:34,080 --> 00:39:35,319
Speaker 4: I got to about four or five seas.

902
00:39:35,360 --> 00:39:36,080
Speaker 1: I got to La.

903
00:39:37,440 --> 00:39:40,000
Speaker 4: I was meeting the team in La for the Espies

904
00:39:41,760 --> 00:39:44,279
Speaker 4: and I get to La and I went out the

905
00:39:44,400 --> 00:39:47,360
Speaker 4: first night. Bro, I think I gave myself alcohol poison.

906
00:39:47,400 --> 00:39:49,239
Speaker 4: I didn't even make it to the If you look

907
00:39:49,239 --> 00:39:51,120
Speaker 4: at the Espis, we would get to get the award.

908
00:39:51,160 --> 00:39:53,080
Speaker 4: I missed the Espe's. I was in the hotel room

909
00:39:54,000 --> 00:39:55,959
Speaker 4: stickers and die, hurt, hurt.

910
00:39:56,200 --> 00:39:57,439
Speaker 5: We've all job in there.

911
00:39:57,600 --> 00:40:01,960
Speaker 3: Hey, let me stop saying this. Twan. I played with

912
00:40:01,960 --> 00:40:06,520
Speaker 3: Twin for a little bit in Atlanta. Now, Twan is

913
00:40:06,560 --> 00:40:09,200
Speaker 3: one of the most if if he got it, you

914
00:40:09,320 --> 00:40:11,880
Speaker 3: got it. If we're going out, we're going out. Everybody

915
00:40:11,960 --> 00:40:14,520
Speaker 3: gonna look the same. You take five, I got five.

916
00:40:14,640 --> 00:40:17,480
Speaker 3: Everybody gonna have a good time. There's not gonna be

917
00:40:17,560 --> 00:40:21,120
Speaker 3: any separation to the turn to the turn up. When

918
00:40:21,160 --> 00:40:24,280
Speaker 3: you hang out with Twin, everybody's gonna have a good time.

919
00:40:24,680 --> 00:40:27,880
Speaker 3: Everybody's gonna be on the even level. Even he'll have

920
00:40:27,960 --> 00:40:30,560
Speaker 3: the same access. So you know what I mean. That's

921
00:40:30,640 --> 00:40:33,640
Speaker 3: what I think. Like a lot of people hear things

922
00:40:33,719 --> 00:40:37,600
Speaker 3: or his career did that. What people lose is he

923
00:40:37,680 --> 00:40:40,400
Speaker 3: takes they're taking care of the people, even in the

924
00:40:40,520 --> 00:40:42,840
Speaker 3: even in the league, even the other dudes with money

925
00:40:42,920 --> 00:40:45,719
Speaker 3: just taking care of other people, having it set out

926
00:40:45,719 --> 00:40:47,600
Speaker 3: because you know the layer of the land. You want

927
00:40:47,680 --> 00:40:50,120
Speaker 3: dudes to get home safe. You want dudes to enjoy

928
00:40:50,200 --> 00:40:51,799
Speaker 3: themselves and remember a good time.

929
00:40:54,560 --> 00:40:56,239
Speaker 4: Yes, shacks like that, But you know I got that

930
00:40:56,320 --> 00:40:59,240
Speaker 4: from from you, Like you guys like what was special

931
00:40:59,239 --> 00:40:59,719
Speaker 4: about me?

932
00:40:59,800 --> 00:40:59,920
Speaker 1: Come?

933
00:41:00,040 --> 00:41:01,319
Speaker 4: And you know I used to always try to come

934
00:41:01,320 --> 00:41:02,839
Speaker 4: out there for a couple of weeks with you got

935
00:41:02,880 --> 00:41:06,080
Speaker 4: and play at UCLA. I just thought, y'all run was

936
00:41:06,120 --> 00:41:08,320
Speaker 4: so dope, you know what I mean? It was thirty

937
00:41:08,800 --> 00:41:11,719
Speaker 4: forty pros in the gym, and we didn't really get

938
00:41:11,760 --> 00:41:15,560
Speaker 4: that until Michael came back. And when MJ came back,

939
00:41:15,680 --> 00:41:17,560
Speaker 4: you know what I mean, all the guys from Chicago

940
00:41:17,640 --> 00:41:20,239
Speaker 4: now started to come. So then now our runs looking like, y'all,

941
00:41:20,400 --> 00:41:24,400
Speaker 4: y'all run, we got twenty five thirty pros in the gym.

942
00:41:24,600 --> 00:41:25,160
Speaker 3: You know what I mean?

943
00:41:25,360 --> 00:41:25,600
Speaker 1: Yeah?

944
00:41:25,640 --> 00:41:28,200
Speaker 4: Now we now we got now. Yeah, So now everybody's

945
00:41:28,200 --> 00:41:30,640
Speaker 4: in the gym working out together. So I kind of

946
00:41:30,640 --> 00:41:33,120
Speaker 4: stole that from him, and then I ain't gonna lie man,

947
00:41:33,160 --> 00:41:35,440
Speaker 4: being around him and being around with some of the

948
00:41:35,480 --> 00:41:37,479
Speaker 4: best two years of my life and him coming back,

949
00:41:37,560 --> 00:41:38,840
Speaker 4: I know, he was in a different he was a

950
00:41:38,840 --> 00:41:41,839
Speaker 4: different player, but just to on the court stuff want

951
00:41:41,880 --> 00:41:45,000
Speaker 4: to win. He changed my batality about playing the NBA

952
00:41:45,120 --> 00:41:47,400
Speaker 4: about want to win and that if you don't win

953
00:41:47,440 --> 00:41:50,640
Speaker 4: a championship, that's what it's all about. So I was

954
00:41:50,680 --> 00:41:53,800
Speaker 4: prepared for the you know, for that sacrifice. I hunted

955
00:41:53,800 --> 00:41:56,640
Speaker 4: that down like looking for that to be a part

956
00:41:56,680 --> 00:41:59,640
Speaker 4: of a championship team. So that's what made that that

957
00:41:59,719 --> 00:42:02,160
Speaker 4: Miami me he ain't team special. I wish he could

958
00:42:02,160 --> 00:42:04,240
Speaker 4: have done it in Boston. I thought we was good enough.

959
00:42:05,680 --> 00:42:09,400
Speaker 4: Obviously only being able to come there half the season

960
00:42:09,960 --> 00:42:12,640
Speaker 4: and not getting a chance to re sign with that group.

961
00:42:13,280 --> 00:42:16,200
Speaker 4: It hurt a little bit, but that's what made it special.

962
00:42:16,280 --> 00:42:19,840
Speaker 4: That don't workouts in the summer and that push and

963
00:42:19,880 --> 00:42:22,759
Speaker 4: being around guys. But I liked it from the vets man,

964
00:42:22,800 --> 00:42:24,840
Speaker 4: being around those guys that you always gotta embrace the

965
00:42:24,920 --> 00:42:27,319
Speaker 4: young guys, You always gotta you know, try to be

966
00:42:27,360 --> 00:42:29,640
Speaker 4: a you know, a role model, but also show him.

967
00:42:29,640 --> 00:42:32,040
Speaker 4: It's two sides to it. It's obviously a fun side,

968
00:42:32,239 --> 00:42:35,000
Speaker 4: but also the work side. That's what made Michael Jordan special.

969
00:42:35,040 --> 00:42:37,719
Speaker 4: No matter what you did the night before work out

970
00:42:37,760 --> 00:42:40,759
Speaker 4: at ten, he did at ten. I don't care what

971
00:42:40,840 --> 00:42:43,400
Speaker 4: you do the night before. You ain't no come in,

972
00:42:43,480 --> 00:42:46,120
Speaker 4: say I got in at eight in the morning. No,

973
00:42:46,320 --> 00:42:48,239
Speaker 4: we got to be that money through Thursday. He like,

974
00:42:48,320 --> 00:42:51,640
Speaker 4: yo money through Thursday. We hear ten, am, That's what

975
00:42:51,680 --> 00:42:54,239
Speaker 4: it is. We here from ten to four getting this

976
00:42:54,360 --> 00:42:56,760
Speaker 4: work in because we played every day at two o'clock.

977
00:42:57,600 --> 00:42:59,600
Speaker 1: So you're gonna do your individual you.

978
00:42:59,560 --> 00:43:02,319
Speaker 4: May grab the side or something, and then everybody ready

979
00:43:02,320 --> 00:43:05,120
Speaker 4: to run at two o'clock. So I just I just

980
00:43:05,120 --> 00:43:07,360
Speaker 4: just got instilled and just being around those guys. And

981
00:43:07,400 --> 00:43:09,320
Speaker 4: I was only five years in the lead, five or

982
00:43:09,360 --> 00:43:11,400
Speaker 4: six years in when I when I was around them,

983
00:43:11,480 --> 00:43:13,960
Speaker 4: so they kind of got got my engine going on

984
00:43:13,680 --> 00:43:15,520
Speaker 4: how I can be able to do it and how

985
00:43:15,520 --> 00:43:18,600
Speaker 4: you gotta get the championship level. So them years were

986
00:43:18,640 --> 00:43:21,239
Speaker 4: so invaluable to me. But I'll but that was part

987
00:43:21,280 --> 00:43:22,640
Speaker 4: of my circuit. Man, I had to get out there

988
00:43:22,680 --> 00:43:23,520
Speaker 4: against I'm never running.

989
00:43:23,760 --> 00:43:28,080
Speaker 3: He was killing. And Man, if you thought any of

990
00:43:28,120 --> 00:43:31,600
Speaker 3: that ship you saw on NBA Entertainment or any of

991
00:43:31,640 --> 00:43:33,959
Speaker 3: the clips the highlights that you saw, the top ten,

992
00:43:34,360 --> 00:43:37,080
Speaker 3: he was doing the top ten plays. Every time the

993
00:43:37,160 --> 00:43:40,279
Speaker 3: twin came down cross half, he was It was it

994
00:43:40,320 --> 00:43:40,759
Speaker 3: was some ship.

995
00:43:40,920 --> 00:43:41,080
Speaker 1: Yeah.

996
00:43:41,600 --> 00:43:45,040
Speaker 3: Either either KG caused it the candy. Twine came in

997
00:43:45,080 --> 00:43:47,560
Speaker 3: with the candy and show us all. We could dribble

998
00:43:47,640 --> 00:43:50,480
Speaker 3: a little bit, but I guarantee you every team across

999
00:43:50,560 --> 00:43:52,960
Speaker 3: half and I'm I'm a forward. I got a guard, Twine,

1000
00:43:53,320 --> 00:43:55,319
Speaker 3: And it's like, man, how come he get to do

1001
00:43:55,440 --> 00:43:55,839
Speaker 3: this ship?

1002
00:43:56,680 --> 00:43:57,000
Speaker 1: How's that?

1003
00:43:57,360 --> 00:43:57,520
Speaker 3: Man?

1004
00:43:57,560 --> 00:43:59,719
Speaker 4: I noticed off target, but I'd be long looking at

1005
00:43:59,719 --> 00:44:01,719
Speaker 4: the last highlights. Is it the same? I see ric

1006
00:44:01,920 --> 00:44:05,279
Speaker 4: Ricohines has it. It is got the same type of it.

1007
00:44:05,360 --> 00:44:08,279
Speaker 3: Don't have that spirit because they got the phones in there, Twine.

1008
00:44:08,880 --> 00:44:11,920
Speaker 3: Remember we didn't have the cameras of the fire. Remember

1009
00:44:11,960 --> 00:44:13,799
Speaker 3: we was in there just getting it. Then we would

1010
00:44:13,800 --> 00:44:16,239
Speaker 3: go out. We would see each other out the night before.

1011
00:44:16,440 --> 00:44:19,160
Speaker 3: Bust your ass tomorrow, you know what I mean, talking

1012
00:44:19,200 --> 00:44:21,239
Speaker 3: to another dude, drink, banging or drink. You know what

1013
00:44:21,239 --> 00:44:23,799
Speaker 3: I mean. I'm bust your ass tomorrow. Yeah, all right,

1014
00:44:24,280 --> 00:44:26,440
Speaker 3: and then you show up and you yeah, it's the

1015
00:44:26,480 --> 00:44:30,719
Speaker 3: same their cousins. It's not the same, baby, But you

1016
00:44:30,760 --> 00:44:31,120
Speaker 3: know what I mean.

1017
00:44:32,480 --> 00:44:34,520
Speaker 1: First, it's a lot of bodies in there.

1018
00:44:35,440 --> 00:44:39,960
Speaker 3: Get people filming now as teams now like the Raptors

1019
00:44:40,080 --> 00:44:42,960
Speaker 3: or the team will sending their little five players in there.

1020
00:44:42,960 --> 00:44:46,680
Speaker 3: Remember it was us just representing us all team. She

1021
00:44:46,760 --> 00:44:49,680
Speaker 3: didn't have nothing to do with it. Yeah. Yeah, that

1022
00:44:49,800 --> 00:44:52,520
Speaker 3: was the best part, is because those were all star games,

1023
00:44:52,719 --> 00:44:55,000
Speaker 3: and these were all star games where people in the

1024
00:44:55,040 --> 00:44:58,480
Speaker 3: off season trying to improve things or showing that like, nah,

1025
00:44:58,640 --> 00:45:00,520
Speaker 3: that ship you see on TV is not really what

1026
00:45:00,560 --> 00:45:00,759
Speaker 3: I do.

1027
00:45:00,800 --> 00:45:03,080
Speaker 4: I really got im just I used to want to

1028
00:45:03,080 --> 00:45:04,800
Speaker 4: get that early, so you get the first couple of

1029
00:45:04,840 --> 00:45:07,520
Speaker 4: games because it'll be tight. Once a gym get tight,

1030
00:45:07,719 --> 00:45:09,839
Speaker 4: you have to get into the first couple of couple

1031
00:45:09,840 --> 00:45:11,799
Speaker 4: of games in so you can get get a little

1032
00:45:11,840 --> 00:45:14,000
Speaker 4: running because you lose, you got you get set to

1033
00:45:14,080 --> 00:45:15,440
Speaker 4: the other court.

1034
00:45:16,200 --> 00:45:20,960
Speaker 3: That court. Yeah yeah, I remember that the runs is

1035
00:45:21,000 --> 00:45:23,200
Speaker 3: grumpy on that court. It's a little bit more fights

1036
00:45:23,239 --> 00:45:25,920
Speaker 3: on that court. Yeah, because everybody looking at the middle

1037
00:45:25,960 --> 00:45:28,160
Speaker 3: court like man, damn. Yeah.

1038
00:45:28,239 --> 00:45:30,160
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's why I was wondering if it's still was

1039
00:45:30,160 --> 00:45:32,080
Speaker 4: the same. But I watched I see all the highlights

1040
00:45:32,080 --> 00:45:33,799
Speaker 4: and I follow Rico on them and still see it.

1041
00:45:33,840 --> 00:45:35,480
Speaker 4: So I was like wondering, what they're still on the

1042
00:45:35,480 --> 00:45:37,520
Speaker 4: same or and everything was still.

1043
00:45:37,360 --> 00:45:40,560
Speaker 3: Going on, And that was that was a movement in time.

1044
00:45:40,719 --> 00:45:46,200
Speaker 3: Twine that nineties basketball Kentucky U c L A five

1045
00:45:46,520 --> 00:45:50,520
Speaker 3: five U n L. He taught us that whole ship

1046
00:45:50,640 --> 00:45:53,000
Speaker 3: was a time that unless you're a kid like Dylan

1047
00:45:53,280 --> 00:45:57,000
Speaker 3: who loves that ship and liz By like the other kids,

1048
00:45:57,040 --> 00:45:59,719
Speaker 3: they'd be like, we make tiktoks and we can go

1049
00:45:59,800 --> 00:46:03,319
Speaker 3: do the now. You can only do this because of

1050
00:46:03,360 --> 00:46:06,480
Speaker 3: the dudes, the Dennis Robbins and the Antoine Walkers, the

1051
00:46:06,560 --> 00:46:09,719
Speaker 3: personalities that built the game up so that you can

1052
00:46:09,760 --> 00:46:12,480
Speaker 3: have a little bit more freedom or things were accepted

1053
00:46:12,520 --> 00:46:15,480
Speaker 3: now right because more First when we came in the league,

1054
00:46:15,560 --> 00:46:18,200
Speaker 3: you can be loud like that and be them. Spots

1055
00:46:18,320 --> 00:46:21,359
Speaker 3: was reserved for you know, the guy over the top

1056
00:46:21,400 --> 00:46:26,080
Speaker 3: two players dun you started coming in expressed sense of joy, Shimmy.

1057
00:46:26,360 --> 00:46:28,279
Speaker 3: They knew it from college. He was a winner, he

1058
00:46:28,320 --> 00:46:30,839
Speaker 3: wanted it and he woned Kentucky. So now they see

1059
00:46:30,880 --> 00:46:32,839
Speaker 3: him he still got a sense of joy. Yeah, we're

1060
00:46:32,840 --> 00:46:35,160
Speaker 3: gonna let him shimmy. That's entertainment, you know what I mean.

1061
00:46:35,440 --> 00:46:37,719
Speaker 3: If you don't, if you come in there without the

1062
00:46:37,840 --> 00:46:41,000
Speaker 3: national championships, are out of the blue blood schools, they like,

1063
00:46:41,040 --> 00:46:43,600
Speaker 3: you better be good, you know what I mean, You

1064
00:46:43,680 --> 00:46:45,880
Speaker 3: better be Sean Kemp. You see what they did to

1065
00:46:45,960 --> 00:46:48,319
Speaker 3: Sean after, you know what I mean, he slowed down

1066
00:46:48,360 --> 00:46:50,759
Speaker 3: a little bit. So I'll just I'll just say that

1067
00:46:50,960 --> 00:46:53,880
Speaker 3: you guys are standing on the shoulders of giants like

1068
00:46:53,960 --> 00:46:57,000
Speaker 3: Antoine Walker, you know what I mean, other people who

1069
00:46:57,080 --> 00:46:59,160
Speaker 3: paved the way so that you can make a ton

1070
00:46:59,160 --> 00:47:02,520
Speaker 3: of money and be yourself without having to turn on

1071
00:47:02,600 --> 00:47:03,360
Speaker 3: another face.

1072
00:47:03,960 --> 00:47:06,200
Speaker 4: Right, Okay, that's what I was wondering. Man, I see.

1073
00:47:06,480 --> 00:47:08,560
Speaker 4: I'm glad to see that because Chicago's down right now.

1074
00:47:08,640 --> 00:47:12,759
Speaker 4: So I'm so upset, uh with our basketball right now.

1075
00:47:12,840 --> 00:47:14,680
Speaker 4: We don't have we don't have the numbers as far

1076
00:47:14,719 --> 00:47:17,799
Speaker 4: as guys in the pros anymore. Our runs are not

1077
00:47:17,840 --> 00:47:19,239
Speaker 4: the same. Like if I just wanted to go to

1078
00:47:19,280 --> 00:47:21,160
Speaker 4: the gym and watch it, watch the guys get down

1079
00:47:21,200 --> 00:47:22,839
Speaker 4: and work out and play, I could.

1080
00:47:23,040 --> 00:47:24,200
Speaker 1: I couldn't tell you you.

1081
00:47:24,200 --> 00:47:26,439
Speaker 3: Can build it, time, build it, bring it back.

1082
00:47:26,760 --> 00:47:27,440
Speaker 1: You could call me.

1083
00:47:27,440 --> 00:47:29,319
Speaker 4: And be like, yo, I got some guys coming in

1084
00:47:29,360 --> 00:47:31,399
Speaker 4: from l A and they want to whop.

1085
00:47:31,560 --> 00:47:32,600
Speaker 1: I couldn't tell them where to go.

1086
00:47:32,680 --> 00:47:32,839
Speaker 3: Bro.

1087
00:47:32,920 --> 00:47:39,040
Speaker 4: That's that's disheartening right now in our city. And that's

1088
00:47:39,040 --> 00:47:40,719
Speaker 4: why I was like, nah, and I've seen Rico. I

1089
00:47:40,760 --> 00:47:42,360
Speaker 4: was like, man, they still doing it in l a

1090
00:47:42,400 --> 00:47:44,280
Speaker 4: and we ain't got it like this no more in Chicago.

1091
00:47:44,680 --> 00:47:46,919
Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying, We lack pros too. I'm

1092
00:47:46,920 --> 00:47:49,000
Speaker 4: not gonna lie. We lack pros right now. As far

1093
00:47:49,040 --> 00:47:51,120
Speaker 4: as guys, we got some good young talent. I think

1094
00:47:51,120 --> 00:47:52,800
Speaker 4: we got a couple of pros that gonna be drafted

1095
00:47:52,840 --> 00:47:55,239
Speaker 4: in the next couple of years. But we lack pros

1096
00:47:55,560 --> 00:47:55,920
Speaker 4: right now.

1097
00:47:56,440 --> 00:47:59,040
Speaker 2: Even even in New York has become like uh, I

1098
00:47:59,040 --> 00:48:01,680
Speaker 2: mean Brickley that that they're running New York, but that's

1099
00:48:01,719 --> 00:48:04,520
Speaker 2: like the most corporate run out, all respect to him.

1100
00:48:04,560 --> 00:48:08,040
Speaker 5: But those cameras as of.

1101
00:48:08,040 --> 00:48:10,480
Speaker 3: That time, no cameras. You know, they should go in

1102
00:48:10,520 --> 00:48:12,359
Speaker 3: there and take camera phones away. They do it when

1103
00:48:12,400 --> 00:48:17,279
Speaker 3: they party. Now, if you really want to get to

1104
00:48:17,320 --> 00:48:19,520
Speaker 3: the essence of that ship, you got to take the

1105
00:48:19,560 --> 00:48:21,359
Speaker 3: cameras away and do that ship that we did.

1106
00:48:21,440 --> 00:48:23,400
Speaker 2: How many times in the summer did you see someone

1107
00:48:23,400 --> 00:48:26,200
Speaker 2: get like banged on or crossed up and you know,

1108
00:48:26,200 --> 00:48:27,560
Speaker 2: it just went with them to the next day.

1109
00:48:28,560 --> 00:48:34,160
Speaker 3: I'm talking about every every other possession it was, oh yeah,

1110
00:48:34,200 --> 00:48:35,359
Speaker 3: that was that was every day.

1111
00:48:35,440 --> 00:48:38,479
Speaker 4: I'm talking about the fights. I mean too, that's about

1112
00:48:38,520 --> 00:48:41,560
Speaker 4: I'm talking about the grit, the grind. I mean, I'm

1113
00:48:41,600 --> 00:48:44,839
Speaker 4: watching MJ come back run our test, guarding him like

1114
00:48:45,480 --> 00:48:48,200
Speaker 4: crack his ribs and he trying to get crazy. Yeah,

1115
00:48:48,360 --> 00:48:51,440
Speaker 4: just just guarding him, like I mean, like the toughness

1116
00:48:51,440 --> 00:48:53,640
Speaker 4: and what you have to play, play with like it

1117
00:48:53,760 --> 00:48:55,000
Speaker 4: was different, like you know.

1118
00:48:55,160 --> 00:48:57,960
Speaker 3: Even get on the floor. To even get on the floor,

1119
00:48:58,080 --> 00:48:58,560
Speaker 3: you have to.

1120
00:49:00,000 --> 00:49:01,080
Speaker 1: You still gonna kick it at night.

1121
00:49:01,120 --> 00:49:04,040
Speaker 4: I remember, you know when J MJ had the restaurant

1122
00:49:04,120 --> 00:49:06,960
Speaker 4: that was directed across from from the gym, same parking lot.

1123
00:49:07,400 --> 00:49:09,960
Speaker 4: We would literally lead the gym and go right over

1124
00:49:10,000 --> 00:49:13,239
Speaker 4: to the restaurant and eat break bread together. So you

1125
00:49:13,360 --> 00:49:16,319
Speaker 4: was with guys like six seven eight hours. Man, you

1126
00:49:16,440 --> 00:49:18,320
Speaker 4: wasn't even that's what your summer like this you with

1127
00:49:18,520 --> 00:49:21,040
Speaker 4: guys six seven eight hours. And then one thing I

1128
00:49:21,080 --> 00:49:24,200
Speaker 4: did love about MJ. He we always took the weekend off.

1129
00:49:24,920 --> 00:49:28,040
Speaker 4: You always take off Friday, Saturday, Sunday to do whatever

1130
00:49:28,080 --> 00:49:30,799
Speaker 4: you gotta do with your family. You can travel and

1131
00:49:30,840 --> 00:49:33,080
Speaker 4: you tell them about areably one of the most important

1132
00:49:33,120 --> 00:49:34,759
Speaker 4: person in the world, Like you know what I mean,

1133
00:49:35,080 --> 00:49:37,880
Speaker 4: everything that money through Thursday was all with the fellowship

1134
00:49:38,000 --> 00:49:41,240
Speaker 4: and with the guys working out getting our bodies together,

1135
00:49:41,640 --> 00:49:42,919
Speaker 4: even to the point where we drink.

1136
00:49:43,400 --> 00:49:44,239
Speaker 1: Like he had a rule.

1137
00:49:44,680 --> 00:49:51,520
Speaker 4: Look, we gonna drink no juice, all straight vo Yeah,

1138
00:49:51,640 --> 00:49:53,279
Speaker 4: like we ain't gonna mess these workouts up.

1139
00:49:53,680 --> 00:49:54,960
Speaker 1: Respect.

1140
00:49:55,160 --> 00:49:56,799
Speaker 4: Like Nah, I'm saying, if you want to get it,

1141
00:49:56,840 --> 00:49:58,360
Speaker 4: if you want to drink, if you want to have

1142
00:49:58,440 --> 00:50:02,240
Speaker 4: your drink, were going straight no juice or no juice

1143
00:50:02,680 --> 00:50:03,280
Speaker 4: or don't drink.

1144
00:50:03,640 --> 00:50:04,160
Speaker 1: You know what I mean.

1145
00:50:04,200 --> 00:50:06,280
Speaker 4: That's like it was to that. It was to that effect,

1146
00:50:06,360 --> 00:50:08,759
Speaker 4: like that's what made it special. We held everybody got

1147
00:50:08,800 --> 00:50:10,440
Speaker 4: held to come. On the weekends, you do what you're

1148
00:50:10,440 --> 00:50:12,640
Speaker 4: gonna do. If you're going out of town, you going

1149
00:50:12,680 --> 00:50:15,440
Speaker 4: with your girl, going with your wife, y'all taking a vacation,

1150
00:50:15,920 --> 00:50:16,719
Speaker 4: you gonna do that.

1151
00:50:17,120 --> 00:50:20,319
Speaker 3: But just dead.

1152
00:50:20,719 --> 00:50:24,000
Speaker 4: Yeah, But Monday through Thursdays it's check in time.

1153
00:50:24,920 --> 00:50:26,680
Speaker 1: Everybody put that work in. You're gonna be at the

1154
00:50:26,680 --> 00:50:27,520
Speaker 1: gym all day long.

1155
00:50:27,560 --> 00:50:29,080
Speaker 4: Now you still, like I said, you may go out

1156
00:50:29,120 --> 00:50:31,440
Speaker 4: at night, but you really keeping it really kind of

1157
00:50:31,480 --> 00:50:35,439
Speaker 4: casual because that you look at you're looking for, Yeah,

1158
00:50:35,480 --> 00:50:38,120
Speaker 4: you're looking forward to that morning run. And then you

1159
00:50:38,160 --> 00:50:39,799
Speaker 4: know how it is, Jay, Like you know, I come

1160
00:50:39,800 --> 00:50:41,319
Speaker 4: to l A, I'm in town for the week say,

1161
00:50:41,360 --> 00:50:43,000
Speaker 4: you know, okay, the run fing to be we got

1162
00:50:43,000 --> 00:50:44,440
Speaker 4: three four new bodies in the gym.

1163
00:50:44,760 --> 00:50:45,720
Speaker 1: It's gonna be nice.

1164
00:50:46,080 --> 00:50:48,879
Speaker 4: Like it's like everybody know that when when MJ came,

1165
00:50:48,920 --> 00:50:51,799
Speaker 4: everybody was coming through. Man, I always tell a story.

1166
00:50:51,800 --> 00:50:54,160
Speaker 4: I remember Lebron. Lebron came up there. He couldn't even

1167
00:50:54,200 --> 00:50:57,279
Speaker 4: get in. He couldn't get in at first. The first run,

1168
00:50:57,400 --> 00:50:59,600
Speaker 4: like it was, it was that thick. I mean granted

1169
00:50:59,600 --> 00:51:02,440
Speaker 4: he was young, sixteen seventeen, but he couldn't get in.

1170
00:51:02,480 --> 00:51:04,920
Speaker 4: The run was just that thing. We was like UCLA,

1171
00:51:05,040 --> 00:51:06,200
Speaker 4: we had thirty pros.

1172
00:51:07,160 --> 00:51:09,120
Speaker 2: Who is the guy in the men's gym? Or pick

1173
00:51:09,200 --> 00:51:13,359
Speaker 2: up runs that like killed in the men's gym. But

1174
00:51:13,440 --> 00:51:17,320
Speaker 2: what didn't get that much time or opportunity in the NBA.

1175
00:51:18,239 --> 00:51:22,120
Speaker 4: You know, I always like to tell her story. Bobby Simmons.

1176
00:51:22,680 --> 00:51:27,600
Speaker 4: Bobby Simmons was probably the best story from DePaul. Kind

1177
00:51:27,600 --> 00:51:28,920
Speaker 4: of was when he got in the gym. He was

1178
00:51:29,000 --> 00:51:31,560
Speaker 4: kind of off his g league, kind of ending out

1179
00:51:31,600 --> 00:51:33,960
Speaker 4: the league a little bit, and Michael Jordan fell in

1180
00:51:34,000 --> 00:51:36,759
Speaker 4: love with him. Work how he played good every day man.

1181
00:51:37,760 --> 00:51:40,359
Speaker 4: He was on the jump man and Bobby just got

1182
00:51:40,520 --> 00:51:42,520
Speaker 4: you know, all of a sudden, he just got good good,

1183
00:51:42,680 --> 00:51:44,040
Speaker 4: like we're like, damn.

1184
00:51:43,800 --> 00:51:44,200
Speaker 3: You what I mean?

1185
00:51:44,280 --> 00:51:46,520
Speaker 4: I think he ended up winning Most Improved Player in

1186
00:51:46,560 --> 00:51:49,560
Speaker 4: the NBA. He just his courage just took off. And

1187
00:51:49,600 --> 00:51:51,480
Speaker 4: he's the one guy that kind of like stands out

1188
00:51:51,480 --> 00:51:55,239
Speaker 4: to me on just watch him developing those runs and

1189
00:51:55,239 --> 00:51:57,840
Speaker 4: then translating into the to the big court of becoming

1190
00:51:57,880 --> 00:52:01,800
Speaker 4: a great player in the league. But I always always

1191
00:52:01,800 --> 00:52:04,440
Speaker 4: put that in in in Michael Jordan believed in them,

1192
00:52:04,960 --> 00:52:07,200
Speaker 4: like MJ saw something in them in the Jim every

1193
00:52:07,239 --> 00:52:11,359
Speaker 4: that we grinding and became a really really good player

1194
00:52:11,360 --> 00:52:13,319
Speaker 4: in this league, man, And that was that was something

1195
00:52:13,360 --> 00:52:14,120
Speaker 4: special to watch.

1196
00:52:14,520 --> 00:52:15,719
Speaker 1: He's one of those guys. Uh.

1197
00:52:15,760 --> 00:52:20,320
Speaker 4: I look at Will Binem another guy that came you

1198
00:52:20,360 --> 00:52:22,800
Speaker 4: know what I mean, that came out young, young guard

1199
00:52:23,200 --> 00:52:24,719
Speaker 4: and then you gotta remember we still had to quit

1200
00:52:24,880 --> 00:52:25,760
Speaker 4: Richson's in the world.

1201
00:52:25,800 --> 00:52:26,560
Speaker 1: Steven Hunter.

1202
00:52:27,239 --> 00:52:30,319
Speaker 4: Uh, those guys, you know are kind of the the

1203
00:52:30,360 --> 00:52:33,200
Speaker 4: staples of Chicago. I mean, my guys I looked up

1204
00:52:33,239 --> 00:52:35,440
Speaker 4: to that I went against, that I caught right when

1205
00:52:35,440 --> 00:52:37,839
Speaker 4: they were coming into their prime about to take off.

1206
00:52:37,920 --> 00:52:42,719
Speaker 4: Was Juwan Howard, Michael Finley. Those were guys that were

1207
00:52:42,800 --> 00:52:45,239
Speaker 4: like the young studs you know what I mean. I

1208
00:52:45,320 --> 00:52:46,759
Speaker 4: was a little younger than them, but they were the

1209
00:52:46,800 --> 00:52:49,759
Speaker 4: young studs uh of Chicago. So we just had a

1210
00:52:49,800 --> 00:52:52,600
Speaker 4: great transition. Our best was Tim Hardaway, you know.

1211
00:52:52,600 --> 00:52:53,000
Speaker 3: What I mean.

1212
00:52:53,520 --> 00:52:55,640
Speaker 4: Like, so we had we got We had like a good,

1213
00:52:55,680 --> 00:52:58,200
Speaker 4: great mixture of guys kind of the same way y'all

1214
00:52:58,239 --> 00:53:01,040
Speaker 4: had in La. That that's what made the run so

1215
00:53:01,200 --> 00:53:03,239
Speaker 4: really good. That made it great, you know what I mean,

1216
00:53:03,239 --> 00:53:05,319
Speaker 4: because you got a little bit of everybody from the

1217
00:53:05,400 --> 00:53:09,600
Speaker 4: old to the middle guys to the older guys, and

1218
00:53:09,920 --> 00:53:13,319
Speaker 4: we pushed each other every day. Our summer used to

1219
00:53:13,320 --> 00:53:16,040
Speaker 4: be off the chain, the same way you got some

1220
00:53:16,239 --> 00:53:18,319
Speaker 4: league used to be. It's the same way Chicago summer

1221
00:53:18,520 --> 00:53:21,799
Speaker 4: used to be the only thing about it. Everybody came

1222
00:53:21,840 --> 00:53:24,279
Speaker 4: at the end. It wasn't throughout you know, a lot

1223
00:53:24,320 --> 00:53:28,279
Speaker 4: of season. Everybody wanted to get to get ready for

1224
00:53:28,280 --> 00:53:31,000
Speaker 4: the season. Yeah, yeah, so that's but we didn't have

1225
00:53:31,040 --> 00:53:33,880
Speaker 4: it all the way through but them last two games

1226
00:53:33,880 --> 00:53:34,279
Speaker 4: of the season.

1227
00:53:34,360 --> 00:53:35,759
Speaker 1: The playoffs used to be incredible.

1228
00:53:37,920 --> 00:53:41,040
Speaker 4: Me and Ticket locked heads in the summer league before yep,

1229
00:53:41,200 --> 00:53:42,799
Speaker 4: Ticket used to come up and play. You know, him

1230
00:53:42,840 --> 00:53:45,839
Speaker 4: and Running were really close. Obviously, Ticket played the senior

1231
00:53:45,920 --> 00:53:49,520
Speaker 4: year in Chicago. So man, we had some epic battles

1232
00:53:48,920 --> 00:53:51,920
Speaker 4: in summer league too, and in our summer league.

1233
00:53:51,920 --> 00:53:53,000
Speaker 1: So I mean.

1234
00:53:55,280 --> 00:53:57,959
Speaker 3: He took a lot. He took a lot from you,

1235
00:53:58,160 --> 00:53:59,520
Speaker 3: Like you know what I mean, if you listen to

1236
00:53:59,560 --> 00:54:02,200
Speaker 3: take it, he leaves like little easter eggs on players,

1237
00:54:02,200 --> 00:54:05,359
Speaker 3: like he took some things from you. Could your name

1238
00:54:05,440 --> 00:54:10,359
Speaker 3: comes up a lot every time I talk. It came in.

1239
00:54:10,680 --> 00:54:12,800
Speaker 3: He had the candy he was hitting with the hands

1240
00:54:12,840 --> 00:54:14,600
Speaker 3: up and the crossed over here is like I had

1241
00:54:14,600 --> 00:54:15,440
Speaker 3: to have that ship.

1242
00:54:15,560 --> 00:54:17,719
Speaker 4: Yeah, we used to go at it, man, pick up

1243
00:54:17,800 --> 00:54:20,600
Speaker 4: and play against each other. And what's great about KG

1244
00:54:20,800 --> 00:54:23,839
Speaker 4: I was I made it my business to make sure

1245
00:54:23,840 --> 00:54:26,279
Speaker 4: I go to his retirement in Boston like that was

1246
00:54:26,320 --> 00:54:29,440
Speaker 4: specially to see Boston embrace him, to see his number

1247
00:54:29,440 --> 00:54:32,799
Speaker 4: going to raptors will deserve. But I think how good

1248
00:54:32,800 --> 00:54:36,600
Speaker 4: a play was mant retired in two spots. In fact,

1249
00:54:37,680 --> 00:54:39,120
Speaker 4: a lot of people, you know, we think about the

1250
00:54:39,160 --> 00:54:43,200
Speaker 4: greatest power forwards, his name don't come up enough. And

1251
00:54:43,280 --> 00:54:46,359
Speaker 4: you know, to run a Timmy run, a Timmy run,

1252
00:54:46,480 --> 00:54:49,560
Speaker 4: run a car alone. And I obviously because Kevin probably

1253
00:54:49,560 --> 00:54:52,480
Speaker 4: don't have multiple titles. That's probably why though you know,

1254
00:54:52,600 --> 00:54:54,920
Speaker 4: even car Malone don't have multiple title but Tim duncantt

1255
00:54:54,960 --> 00:54:57,120
Speaker 4: has five titles, so a lot of people don't put

1256
00:54:57,200 --> 00:54:59,959
Speaker 4: him in that category. But now the ticket rap sheet,

1257
00:55:00,080 --> 00:55:02,360
Speaker 4: it's strong, real strong.

1258
00:55:02,400 --> 00:55:06,480
Speaker 3: Tell them, Twin, tell them twe somebody who was down there,

1259
00:55:06,520 --> 00:55:10,000
Speaker 3: you know, down there against them. That ship was remarkable.

1260
00:55:10,040 --> 00:55:12,120
Speaker 3: I was down there with Timmy them, been down there

1261
00:55:12,160 --> 00:55:14,880
Speaker 3: with Carl them, been down there with Charles Barkley, some

1262
00:55:14,920 --> 00:55:17,240
Speaker 3: of the best. But that ship, that KG was different,

1263
00:55:17,400 --> 00:55:21,400
Speaker 3: was light years beyond what power forward and was supposed

1264
00:55:21,440 --> 00:55:23,840
Speaker 3: to be. So I mean, shut up, big ticket.

1265
00:55:24,440 --> 00:55:28,080
Speaker 5: So I really appreciate your time to this was amazing.

1266
00:55:28,920 --> 00:55:31,920
Speaker 1: Yes, all right, thanks for having me on the show. Man,

1267
00:55:31,920 --> 00:55:32,640
Speaker 1: I appreciate it.

1268
00:55:32,640 --> 00:55:35,279
Speaker 3: Man. I ain't talking no basketball all summer. I feel good.

1269
00:55:36,160 --> 00:55:38,800
Speaker 3: You should and you're ready, Twin. You only have something

1270
00:55:38,840 --> 00:55:40,279
Speaker 3: to share, you know what I mean. You don't have

1271
00:55:40,360 --> 00:55:43,200
Speaker 3: to if you want to speak, people should fucking listen

1272
00:55:43,239 --> 00:55:45,200
Speaker 3: and or part of what we's do. What I tell

1273
00:55:45,239 --> 00:55:47,920
Speaker 3: guys when they come on this, everybody usually feels the

1274
00:55:47,920 --> 00:55:50,400
Speaker 3: same way, like shit, I might do another podcast. You

1275
00:55:50,440 --> 00:55:54,120
Speaker 3: should because twine Walker and you have you have things

1276
00:55:54,160 --> 00:55:57,359
Speaker 3: to share a value that even turns out some Hall

1277
00:55:57,400 --> 00:56:00,560
Speaker 3: of Famer players either took from you or link you

1278
00:56:00,600 --> 00:56:02,960
Speaker 3: and you don't know about, or you didn't know that

1279
00:56:03,040 --> 00:56:05,839
Speaker 3: in the background somebody was admiring you, or you did

1280
00:56:06,040 --> 00:56:08,960
Speaker 3: something for somebody that you know got them the back

1281
00:56:09,040 --> 00:56:09,760
Speaker 3: end of their career.

1282
00:56:09,840 --> 00:56:11,879
Speaker 1: So you gotta get on more. Man. Y'all boys killing

1283
00:56:11,920 --> 00:56:14,960
Speaker 1: the space. Man, I ain't gonna lie. I'm not going

1284
00:56:14,960 --> 00:56:15,799
Speaker 1: if I'm a farre man.

1285
00:56:15,800 --> 00:56:19,279
Speaker 3: I told you that you need to hear storytelling, yes,

1286
00:56:19,360 --> 00:56:22,680
Speaker 3: So anything Forgotten Seasons or all the Smoke Productions can

1287
00:56:22,719 --> 00:56:24,520
Speaker 3: do is just let us know because you need to

1288
00:56:24,560 --> 00:56:25,800
Speaker 3: be sharing some of these stories.

1289
00:56:25,840 --> 00:56:25,920
Speaker 2: Bro.

1290
00:56:26,760 --> 00:56:32,400
Speaker 1: Definitely, definitely babyh