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Well, there's so many 23 00:01:12,680 --> 00:01:16,039 Speaker 1: places to go now that the NBA season is over. 24 00:01:17,680 --> 00:01:20,959 Speaker 1: Jason timp hoops tonight is joining us and he's done 25 00:01:21,000 --> 00:01:24,720 Speaker 1: remarkable work. Are iron man our Jalen Brunson putting in 26 00:01:24,480 --> 00:01:28,600 Speaker 1: the minutes. I was talking to somebody in basketball this morning, Jason. 27 00:01:28,600 --> 00:01:31,800 Speaker 1: Then they said, you know, you can look at Wemby 28 00:01:31,840 --> 00:01:34,440 Speaker 1: and say he just couldn't you know, he got moved 29 00:01:34,440 --> 00:01:36,679 Speaker 1: off the block and he got pushed around, and this 30 00:01:36,720 --> 00:01:39,800 Speaker 1: person said, go to the Warriors. Championship over the Celtics 31 00:01:40,600 --> 00:01:44,200 Speaker 1: wasn't led by Biggs. Oklahoma City wasn't led by Biggs. 32 00:01:46,959 --> 00:01:51,080 Speaker 1: You can go back to final after final after final 33 00:01:51,120 --> 00:01:54,520 Speaker 1: after final. The Knicks, by the way, weren't led by Biggs. 34 00:01:54,600 --> 00:02:00,520 Speaker 1: Jalen Brunson, the only recent championship we have had were 35 00:02:00,560 --> 00:02:06,480 Speaker 1: a big. Everything funneled through him was Jokish, and Yokis 36 00:02:06,640 --> 00:02:09,360 Speaker 1: isn't even your classic big. He's an offensive hub and 37 00:02:09,400 --> 00:02:12,880 Speaker 1: a great perimeter shooter. And that Wemby discovered and the 38 00:02:12,919 --> 00:02:16,799 Speaker 1: Spurs will discover this is Dylan Harper has to shoot threes. Eventually, 39 00:02:17,240 --> 00:02:19,760 Speaker 1: they have to be better from the perimeter, because the 40 00:02:19,880 --> 00:02:23,640 Speaker 1: NBA allows you, especially in the finals, a physical level 41 00:02:23,680 --> 00:02:27,320 Speaker 1: of play that is not tolerated even in the conference finals, 42 00:02:27,720 --> 00:02:30,320 Speaker 1: and that by and large the NIXT for a prime 43 00:02:30,360 --> 00:02:35,080 Speaker 1: example Oklahoma City, you know the size of Minnesota. The 44 00:02:35,080 --> 00:02:38,320 Speaker 1: good teams have multiple bigs and then they have a 45 00:02:38,320 --> 00:02:44,160 Speaker 1: power forward a Julius Randall. Ish. Wenby discovered what everybody 46 00:02:44,240 --> 00:02:47,200 Speaker 1: does in the finals, even maybe early shocked before he 47 00:02:47,200 --> 00:02:51,080 Speaker 1: got bigger and stronger, which is the finals. It's a 48 00:02:51,560 --> 00:02:55,960 Speaker 1: it's rough living for bigs and Wemby's body type and 49 00:02:56,000 --> 00:02:58,120 Speaker 1: maybe I should have predicted this. I had the spurs 50 00:02:58,160 --> 00:03:01,280 Speaker 1: and six, I should have predicted this is it. Yes, 51 00:03:01,320 --> 00:03:05,560 Speaker 1: Wemby was going to get pushed around and that this 52 00:03:05,639 --> 00:03:10,040 Speaker 1: is the reality. It is a wing league largely. We've 53 00:03:10,040 --> 00:03:13,200 Speaker 1: been talking about this for years and Wemby is just 54 00:03:13,320 --> 00:03:19,000 Speaker 1: the latest big guy to realize the finals it's treacherous. 55 00:03:19,520 --> 00:03:22,120 Speaker 1: It's the deep and choppy waters. 56 00:03:22,440 --> 00:03:25,160 Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, I think even when you look at Jokic, 57 00:03:26,040 --> 00:03:29,440 Speaker 2: ever since that twenty twenty three run, he's kind of struggled. 58 00:03:29,680 --> 00:03:32,760 Speaker 2: Teams have been beating him up. I mean, like like 59 00:03:32,880 --> 00:03:35,040 Speaker 2: Rudy Gobert has done a number on him. In twenty 60 00:03:35,080 --> 00:03:38,480 Speaker 2: twenty four and twenty twenty six. Both Naseried and Julius 61 00:03:38,560 --> 00:03:41,520 Speaker 2: raynall have had moments against him. Even in that OKC 62 00:03:41,640 --> 00:03:44,920 Speaker 2: series last year, he was super inefficient outside of a 63 00:03:44,920 --> 00:03:48,840 Speaker 2: couple of games, and famously in Game seven, they were like, well, 64 00:03:48,840 --> 00:03:50,760 Speaker 2: what if we just don't let him catch the ball 65 00:03:50,800 --> 00:03:53,480 Speaker 2: by just swarming him in fronting him. And I think 66 00:03:53,520 --> 00:03:57,200 Speaker 2: there's as the league has shifted towards. I've talked about 67 00:03:57,200 --> 00:04:00,760 Speaker 2: this a lot on the show. Everyone talks about hand check, like, oh, well, 68 00:04:00,800 --> 00:04:04,320 Speaker 2: handchecking changed in two thousand and three, and it's like, well, actually, 69 00:04:04,480 --> 00:04:07,160 Speaker 2: if you look throughout NBA history, there's a constant back 70 00:04:07,200 --> 00:04:10,680 Speaker 2: and forth, like a pendulum that swings between more physical 71 00:04:11,040 --> 00:04:13,480 Speaker 2: Oh wait, it's too ugly, the scoring's too low, let's 72 00:04:13,480 --> 00:04:16,200 Speaker 2: loosen it up. Oh now it's too loose and everyone's 73 00:04:16,240 --> 00:04:18,200 Speaker 2: scoring too much. And we go back and forth, and 74 00:04:18,279 --> 00:04:21,440 Speaker 2: we're clearly heading into one of those more physical eras. 75 00:04:21,839 --> 00:04:23,920 Speaker 2: And what it's done is it's made it so that 76 00:04:24,080 --> 00:04:27,839 Speaker 2: the power players, they're the ones that deal with what 77 00:04:28,040 --> 00:04:30,760 Speaker 2: is allowed most physically, which is for you to beat 78 00:04:30,800 --> 00:04:33,200 Speaker 2: the heck out of these dudes. And what's interesting with 79 00:04:33,240 --> 00:04:36,679 Speaker 2: the guards you're allowed to beat them up off ball, 80 00:04:37,520 --> 00:04:39,520 Speaker 2: but as soon as they get the ball, you gotta 81 00:04:39,560 --> 00:04:41,840 Speaker 2: have your hands off. And so it turns into a 82 00:04:41,920 --> 00:04:44,840 Speaker 2: dynamic that's actually pretty advantageous to those guys. And I mean, 83 00:04:45,040 --> 00:04:47,479 Speaker 2: Jay Brunson gets fifteen free throw attempts last night, and 84 00:04:47,520 --> 00:04:50,520 Speaker 2: a lot of it is just whenever he goes anywhere 85 00:04:50,520 --> 00:04:52,160 Speaker 2: with force and he gets bumped, he just kind of 86 00:04:52,200 --> 00:04:54,000 Speaker 2: falls over and the next thing you know, they're blowing 87 00:04:54,000 --> 00:04:56,359 Speaker 2: the whistle and he's getting free throws. And I do 88 00:04:56,440 --> 00:04:59,120 Speaker 2: think that with Wemby, and I've said this on your 89 00:04:59,120 --> 00:05:03,880 Speaker 2: show before, I think there's this misinterpretation of his future 90 00:05:04,080 --> 00:05:06,000 Speaker 2: like that he's going to become some sort of post 91 00:05:06,080 --> 00:05:08,640 Speaker 2: up weapon, and I just don't see it that way. 92 00:05:08,839 --> 00:05:11,880 Speaker 2: I think he's got a high center of gravity that's 93 00:05:11,920 --> 00:05:15,080 Speaker 2: going to turn him into a player that has to 94 00:05:15,120 --> 00:05:18,680 Speaker 2: be perimeter oriented. In a lot of ways. His opportunities 95 00:05:18,680 --> 00:05:20,720 Speaker 2: around the basket are going to be a result of 96 00:05:20,920 --> 00:05:24,159 Speaker 2: ingenuity from the team. How do we get him down 97 00:05:24,200 --> 00:05:28,960 Speaker 2: there through action of some kind because he's just never 98 00:05:29,080 --> 00:05:32,920 Speaker 2: going to be able to physically bully players towards the basket. 99 00:05:33,560 --> 00:05:35,520 Speaker 2: And one thing I'll say about did you see the 100 00:05:35,560 --> 00:05:38,200 Speaker 2: quote from him after the game talking about Jalen Brunson, 101 00:05:38,720 --> 00:05:41,400 Speaker 2: he basically said he was like, yeah, like he had 102 00:05:41,440 --> 00:05:43,680 Speaker 2: control over the series the whole time, and there were 103 00:05:43,720 --> 00:05:46,120 Speaker 2: these elements of the series where I felt like I 104 00:05:46,279 --> 00:05:48,760 Speaker 2: was too passive and that I didn't have control. And 105 00:05:49,320 --> 00:05:53,240 Speaker 2: I think there's a combination with Wemby of supreme confidence 106 00:05:53,360 --> 00:05:57,800 Speaker 2: and belief in who he is, but also introspection and 107 00:05:57,839 --> 00:06:01,760 Speaker 2: self awareness that is Yeah, those tend to be conflicting 108 00:06:01,839 --> 00:06:03,920 Speaker 2: in a lot of players. I mean, look at Russell Westbrook, 109 00:06:03,920 --> 00:06:07,440 Speaker 2: it's the opposite. It's supreme confidence in the complete lack 110 00:06:07,520 --> 00:06:11,120 Speaker 2: of introspection and self awareness. And I think he's wired 111 00:06:11,160 --> 00:06:14,440 Speaker 2: in a way that's going to cause him to ultimately 112 00:06:14,480 --> 00:06:17,360 Speaker 2: solve this problem and become someone that no one could handle. 113 00:06:18,800 --> 00:06:23,400 Speaker 1: You know. The I thought Jalen Brunson really taking a 114 00:06:23,480 --> 00:06:26,440 Speaker 1: series over in key spots in games three, four, and five, 115 00:06:26,800 --> 00:06:30,279 Speaker 1: it was symbolic of his career. He just wears, well 116 00:06:30,279 --> 00:06:34,359 Speaker 1: over time is that and not not everybody does, Like 117 00:06:34,400 --> 00:06:38,160 Speaker 1: there's a reason that you know, shock jocks don't last 118 00:06:38,279 --> 00:06:43,360 Speaker 1: or shock comics, and yet Chappelle and you know Seinfeld 119 00:06:43,440 --> 00:06:46,039 Speaker 1: and you know Ricky Gervais and in you know UK 120 00:06:46,160 --> 00:06:49,240 Speaker 1: and here is lat O. The last fifty years is 121 00:06:49,279 --> 00:06:53,640 Speaker 1: that Brunson's entire career. And this is fair. It's not 122 00:06:53,680 --> 00:06:56,159 Speaker 1: a shot on him. Nobody's picking on New York. He 123 00:06:56,200 --> 00:06:59,760 Speaker 1: doesn't pop, he's not he doesn't look physically like ant. 124 00:06:59,880 --> 00:07:04,000 Speaker 1: He's not a dynamic athlete. He is your classic. You've 125 00:07:04,000 --> 00:07:06,039 Speaker 1: had friends like this. I mean we always say there's 126 00:07:06,080 --> 00:07:08,200 Speaker 1: friends you invite to Vegas, and there's there's friends you 127 00:07:08,240 --> 00:07:11,440 Speaker 1: can vacation with, and then there's couples you can't vacation with. 128 00:07:11,520 --> 00:07:14,000 Speaker 1: But they're great for dinner. You know, you take him 129 00:07:14,000 --> 00:07:16,480 Speaker 1: to the cash only restaurant with great margarita. It's like 130 00:07:16,520 --> 00:07:18,920 Speaker 1: a great night. You're not spending six days at Lake 131 00:07:18,920 --> 00:07:22,800 Speaker 1: HASU with him as too much. Brunson is the classic. 132 00:07:23,040 --> 00:07:26,040 Speaker 1: He just wears well over time. A lot of it's intelligence, 133 00:07:26,080 --> 00:07:28,360 Speaker 1: a lot of it's is just you know, Dad's a coach. 134 00:07:29,160 --> 00:07:31,320 Speaker 1: But I thought that the finals were symbolic is that 135 00:07:31,400 --> 00:07:36,080 Speaker 1: everything's kind of hard. He's really good when you need him. 136 00:07:36,520 --> 00:07:41,520 Speaker 1: There's among the shots. You know, Stefan Castle creates inefficiency. 137 00:07:42,440 --> 00:07:45,800 Speaker 1: But you know, greatest Nick ever, he's the greatest nick 138 00:07:45,920 --> 00:07:48,960 Speaker 1: leader ever. You know, greatest Nick what does that mean? 139 00:07:50,040 --> 00:07:52,920 Speaker 1: But I looked at his series and I thought, you know, 140 00:07:53,800 --> 00:07:56,760 Speaker 1: it's it's I don't feel bad saying I think he's 141 00:07:56,760 --> 00:07:58,240 Speaker 1: a very good player. I said it all you. I 142 00:07:58,280 --> 00:08:00,640 Speaker 1: think he's a very very good all star level player. 143 00:08:00,720 --> 00:08:03,120 Speaker 1: I don't think he's Ant. But there are things that 144 00:08:03,160 --> 00:08:06,480 Speaker 1: Brunson has that Ant doesn't. You know, they're they're parts 145 00:08:06,520 --> 00:08:10,520 Speaker 1: to his game. And I just I think overall, every 146 00:08:10,600 --> 00:08:13,120 Speaker 1: team has a soul, and it's not always the best player. 147 00:08:13,120 --> 00:08:16,160 Speaker 1: And I just think he sort of embodies what's really 148 00:08:16,160 --> 00:08:18,920 Speaker 1: fun about the mix, what makes them a rare likable 149 00:08:18,960 --> 00:08:19,600 Speaker 1: New York team. 150 00:08:20,080 --> 00:08:25,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, I thought there's something so likable about this particular 151 00:08:25,160 --> 00:08:29,120 Speaker 2: Brunson run in the sense that it literally felt like 152 00:08:29,160 --> 00:08:32,920 Speaker 2: an underdog solving a problem, in the sense that he is, 153 00:08:32,960 --> 00:08:35,680 Speaker 2: to your point, like he doesn't have the physical gifts 154 00:08:35,679 --> 00:08:38,160 Speaker 2: that certainly not that Ant does. But I'd argue even 155 00:08:38,160 --> 00:08:40,600 Speaker 2: than Shay, like Shay, he's got a quicker first step 156 00:08:40,640 --> 00:08:44,200 Speaker 2: in a bigger frame, and he's got more like Earth. Yeah, 157 00:08:44,240 --> 00:08:47,560 Speaker 2: he's got like that kind of slender athleticism. But you know, 158 00:08:47,760 --> 00:08:50,680 Speaker 2: and what's funny is like you watch you watch how 159 00:08:51,000 --> 00:08:53,800 Speaker 2: Brunson's variety. We talked about this before this year. Is 160 00:08:53,840 --> 00:08:56,720 Speaker 2: the big difference between him and Shay is variety. It's 161 00:08:56,800 --> 00:08:58,800 Speaker 2: just he can do it in so many different ways. 162 00:08:58,840 --> 00:09:02,800 Speaker 2: There's a there's a creativity to Brunson on offense that 163 00:09:03,000 --> 00:09:05,840 Speaker 2: is missing from some of the other more repetitive stars 164 00:09:06,160 --> 00:09:07,880 Speaker 2: towards the top of the league. Yeah, Like what is 165 00:09:07,920 --> 00:09:10,280 Speaker 2: kind of funny is like with the Brunson piece, It 166 00:09:10,360 --> 00:09:12,760 Speaker 2: wasn't like he won this series hitting a bunch of 167 00:09:12,800 --> 00:09:15,880 Speaker 2: contested mid range jump shots, Like No, he won it 168 00:09:15,920 --> 00:09:21,920 Speaker 2: with threes and floaters and funky step through awkward shots. 169 00:09:21,920 --> 00:09:24,240 Speaker 2: And he was even able to kind of like find 170 00:09:24,280 --> 00:09:27,360 Speaker 2: little angles towards the rim that Shay was unable to find. 171 00:09:27,559 --> 00:09:30,000 Speaker 2: I thought that like ISO play that he had against 172 00:09:30,000 --> 00:09:32,560 Speaker 2: Wemby and crunch Time was like the perfect example of 173 00:09:32,600 --> 00:09:34,720 Speaker 2: this where he kind of hits like a series of 174 00:09:34,760 --> 00:09:37,560 Speaker 2: hesitation moves to get Wemby to lean too far to 175 00:09:37,640 --> 00:09:40,240 Speaker 2: his right. Then he kind of hits the gap next 176 00:09:40,280 --> 00:09:42,800 Speaker 2: to him, and then he slows down and bumps in 177 00:09:42,920 --> 00:09:45,640 Speaker 2: with his shoulder and then just barely finds a little 178 00:09:45,640 --> 00:09:47,840 Speaker 2: crease for him to get to a little right handed layup, 179 00:09:47,840 --> 00:09:51,800 Speaker 2: And you're like he has to quite literally squeeze every 180 00:09:51,960 --> 00:09:55,680 Speaker 2: drop out of the sponge of his athletic frame to 181 00:09:55,800 --> 00:09:59,080 Speaker 2: make this stuff work, and that the variety is almost 182 00:09:59,120 --> 00:10:02,840 Speaker 2: an absoluteness necessity with him because he doesn't have a 183 00:10:02,920 --> 00:10:06,080 Speaker 2: supremely gifted trade like Anthony Edwards can just go to 184 00:10:06,120 --> 00:10:08,079 Speaker 2: a step back dribble and get a jump shot off 185 00:10:08,120 --> 00:10:10,960 Speaker 2: against anybody because he's the best athlete at the guard 186 00:10:10,960 --> 00:10:13,640 Speaker 2: position in the league. There's even Shaye can just drive 187 00:10:13,679 --> 00:10:15,679 Speaker 2: at your chest, give you a little push off, get 188 00:10:15,720 --> 00:10:20,760 Speaker 2: to a little fifteen footer. Brunson, everything involves ingenuity and creativity, 189 00:10:20,920 --> 00:10:23,360 Speaker 2: and I think that actually served him really well in 190 00:10:23,400 --> 00:10:26,160 Speaker 2: the debt. Giveaway for this for me is if you 191 00:10:26,280 --> 00:10:29,280 Speaker 2: watch other guys like James Harden in his career, even 192 00:10:29,320 --> 00:10:32,240 Speaker 2: when he was at his best early in series, he'd 193 00:10:32,240 --> 00:10:37,160 Speaker 2: have success. But as series dragged on, guys would solve him. 194 00:10:37,200 --> 00:10:39,960 Speaker 2: The defenders would solve him. They'd figure out, I just 195 00:10:40,000 --> 00:10:41,840 Speaker 2: have to sit on that step back move. I have 196 00:10:41,880 --> 00:10:46,400 Speaker 2: to sit on that crossover. Brunson as the series went along, 197 00:10:46,480 --> 00:10:50,240 Speaker 2: got stronger. In his best two games were the last 198 00:10:50,240 --> 00:10:53,000 Speaker 2: two games of the series, so like he was able 199 00:10:53,040 --> 00:10:55,840 Speaker 2: to kind of craft and cater his game to fit 200 00:10:55,920 --> 00:10:58,960 Speaker 2: what this specific series needed, and it just showed like 201 00:10:59,360 --> 00:11:02,600 Speaker 2: it showed the opposite effect. Instead of a defender solving him, 202 00:11:03,080 --> 00:11:06,160 Speaker 2: he solved the defender. Even Steph Castle beats him for 203 00:11:06,200 --> 00:11:09,080 Speaker 2: that floater and crunch Time literally dusted him off the 204 00:11:09,120 --> 00:11:12,720 Speaker 2: dribble for an easy floater to help win the finals 205 00:11:12,720 --> 00:11:14,440 Speaker 2: against one of the best defenders in the league. And 206 00:11:14,679 --> 00:11:17,840 Speaker 2: you mentioned the leadership piece too, like just he every 207 00:11:17,920 --> 00:11:19,880 Speaker 2: all indications are that he's just the best locker room 208 00:11:19,960 --> 00:11:22,360 Speaker 2: dude in the world. How I love how you went 209 00:11:22,440 --> 00:11:25,080 Speaker 2: up to the desk after and he's like, do I 210 00:11:25,120 --> 00:11:28,120 Speaker 2: talk my shit or do I just be myself? And 211 00:11:28,200 --> 00:11:30,200 Speaker 2: he goes up there and he's just like, I'm gonna 212 00:11:30,200 --> 00:11:32,839 Speaker 2: be myself, And like, I just I think it's one 213 00:11:32,880 --> 00:11:36,400 Speaker 2: of the more like like I just I found myself 214 00:11:36,480 --> 00:11:38,400 Speaker 2: very happy for Jaylen Brunson last night. 215 00:11:39,120 --> 00:11:41,720 Speaker 1: Yeah, you know it's I said this about the United 216 00:11:41,760 --> 00:11:44,400 Speaker 1: States men's national team, and I said it about the Seahawks. 217 00:11:45,000 --> 00:11:49,000 Speaker 1: In my life. The constant theme with championship teams, not 218 00:11:49,040 --> 00:11:52,080 Speaker 1: all of them have a great coach, not all of them. 219 00:11:52,679 --> 00:11:55,360 Speaker 1: That your seven or eight best players have to be 220 00:11:55,480 --> 00:11:59,400 Speaker 1: in their prime or going into it. United States men's 221 00:11:59,480 --> 00:12:07,800 Speaker 1: national team Balligan, McKinney, polistic, Serginio desk. It's our guys 222 00:12:07,800 --> 00:12:10,480 Speaker 1: against Netherlands last World Cup. We're just too young. They 223 00:12:10,480 --> 00:12:13,960 Speaker 1: look like men playing their sons. It's like, okay, now 224 00:12:14,000 --> 00:12:16,840 Speaker 1: we're this is a team that can win group stage, 225 00:12:17,080 --> 00:12:19,440 Speaker 1: knockout stage games. We have guys in our prime and 226 00:12:19,440 --> 00:12:22,360 Speaker 1: they're good players overseas the Seahawks last year. You know, 227 00:12:22,480 --> 00:12:24,800 Speaker 1: Darnold's really one of the younger quarterbacks. You forget how 228 00:12:24,840 --> 00:12:27,240 Speaker 1: young he is. I mean they literally outside of like 229 00:12:27,240 --> 00:12:29,840 Speaker 1: a Leonard Williams, and he's still good. They don't have 230 00:12:29,880 --> 00:12:33,960 Speaker 1: a player they weren't that young. No old, because old 231 00:12:34,000 --> 00:12:37,280 Speaker 1: players in all sports get broken down more quickly. And 232 00:12:37,320 --> 00:12:39,480 Speaker 1: this is something I just I didn't think about because 233 00:12:39,480 --> 00:12:42,120 Speaker 1: I was so enamored with Wemby and the Western Conference. 234 00:12:42,920 --> 00:12:46,440 Speaker 1: And my take was, listen, the Spurs shot thirty three 235 00:12:46,880 --> 00:12:50,079 Speaker 1: percent in the fourth quarter of the series. The Aaron 236 00:12:50,160 --> 00:12:52,400 Speaker 1: Fox is out of his prime, which isn't good if 237 00:12:52,400 --> 00:12:54,800 Speaker 1: you're trying to trade him. Now. He's not miles out 238 00:12:54,800 --> 00:12:56,679 Speaker 1: of his prime. He's probably first year out of his prime. 239 00:12:56,840 --> 00:12:59,319 Speaker 1: The rest of the locker room is all pre prime, 240 00:13:00,000 --> 00:13:02,319 Speaker 1: and they you saw in the execution in the fourth quarter, 241 00:13:02,520 --> 00:13:05,280 Speaker 1: like they just and this this wasn't something that Jason 242 00:13:05,400 --> 00:13:08,040 Speaker 1: just happened. I mean, the Spurs were two and six 243 00:13:08,080 --> 00:13:11,640 Speaker 1: against the Knicks. This year, against the rest of the East, 244 00:13:12,040 --> 00:13:14,040 Speaker 1: they were twenty five and three. Like this wasn't like 245 00:13:14,679 --> 00:13:17,400 Speaker 1: it's like, folks, you know, you pay attention that that 246 00:13:17,480 --> 00:13:19,880 Speaker 1: Gold Cup game, you know, the NBA Cup excuse me, 247 00:13:19,920 --> 00:13:23,000 Speaker 1: earlier of the season that really did matter. That was 248 00:13:23,040 --> 00:13:25,480 Speaker 1: really you're getting great effort. Spurs were better now than then. 249 00:13:26,240 --> 00:13:28,400 Speaker 1: But I think I just yeah, and I just think 250 00:13:28,440 --> 00:13:29,959 Speaker 1: I look at it and I think I didn't listen 251 00:13:29,960 --> 00:13:32,240 Speaker 1: to myself. Is that when you watch these fourth quarters, 252 00:13:32,679 --> 00:13:35,079 Speaker 1: some of it was Knicks defense, some of it was 253 00:13:35,120 --> 00:13:38,200 Speaker 1: their kids. They you know, act like you've been here before. Yeah, 254 00:13:38,200 --> 00:13:40,560 Speaker 1: what if you haven't in your in your whole locker 255 00:13:40,679 --> 00:13:43,400 Speaker 1: room hasn't. So I mean, I think this is the 256 00:13:43,520 --> 00:13:47,600 Speaker 1: right team won, but also the right team lost. They're 257 00:13:47,640 --> 00:13:51,440 Speaker 1: just there there. There are men's national team. They needed 258 00:13:51,480 --> 00:13:54,560 Speaker 1: this run. Next year they'll be a different team. It 259 00:13:54,600 --> 00:13:55,280 Speaker 1: feels like to me. 260 00:13:55,559 --> 00:13:57,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, I actually took some time this morning to look 261 00:13:58,000 --> 00:14:00,480 Speaker 2: into the ages. I don't know why I didn't do 262 00:14:00,559 --> 00:14:04,640 Speaker 2: this before the series, Colin, But like every single core 263 00:14:04,720 --> 00:14:08,679 Speaker 2: Knicks rotations player was between twenty seven and thirty, like 264 00:14:08,840 --> 00:14:12,800 Speaker 2: all in the heart of their primes and been. 265 00:14:12,679 --> 00:14:17,480 Speaker 1: An NBA weight rooms. I mean this is a big shoulder, basy, 266 00:14:17,679 --> 00:14:18,880 Speaker 1: I mean these are big men. 267 00:14:19,200 --> 00:14:22,360 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, absolutely like that. For the record, that's what 268 00:14:22,440 --> 00:14:24,800 Speaker 2: makes Steleen Harper such a unique guys. He's just like 269 00:14:25,080 --> 00:14:27,240 Speaker 2: fully grown for being a nineteen year old or twenty 270 00:14:27,320 --> 00:14:29,600 Speaker 2: year old. But so this is crazy. So the top 271 00:14:29,720 --> 00:14:32,400 Speaker 2: three scores for the Spurs in the series had a 272 00:14:32,440 --> 00:14:36,280 Speaker 2: combined age of sixty three. The top three scores for 273 00:14:36,360 --> 00:14:39,400 Speaker 2: the Knicks a combined age of eighty seven. It's a 274 00:14:39,560 --> 00:14:44,720 Speaker 2: gigantic difference between You're literally talking about grown mens versus 275 00:14:45,160 --> 00:14:48,640 Speaker 2: very very young And absolutely Dearren Fox was the veteran 276 00:14:48,720 --> 00:14:51,440 Speaker 2: on the team. Did you know that Fox would have 277 00:14:51,480 --> 00:14:54,520 Speaker 2: been the seventh oldest player in the Knicks playoff rotation. 278 00:14:54,840 --> 00:14:59,040 Speaker 2: Darren Fox would have been before this playoff run, Dearren 279 00:14:59,120 --> 00:15:03,480 Speaker 2: Fox had played in seven playoff games. Jalen Jalen Brunson 280 00:15:03,600 --> 00:15:07,960 Speaker 2: before this playoff run had played in sixty seven playoff games. Like, 281 00:15:08,480 --> 00:15:11,360 Speaker 2: it was such a gigantic difference, and like I really 282 00:15:11,400 --> 00:15:14,680 Speaker 2: thought it showed in those late game situations because we 283 00:15:14,720 --> 00:15:18,480 Speaker 2: talk about force is the oscillating thing that takes place 284 00:15:18,520 --> 00:15:21,840 Speaker 2: in a basketball series. Like obviously, early in the series 285 00:15:21,880 --> 00:15:24,320 Speaker 2: it's pretty even, but they tend to swing back and forth. 286 00:15:24,320 --> 00:15:27,160 Speaker 2: An urgency a team plays harder, more physical, But when 287 00:15:27,240 --> 00:15:29,600 Speaker 2: you get to the final five minutes of any big game, 288 00:15:29,880 --> 00:15:33,680 Speaker 2: that's a non factor. Everyone's playing urgent, everyone's playing as 289 00:15:33,680 --> 00:15:36,320 Speaker 2: hard as they've ever played in their entire life. Everyone's 290 00:15:36,360 --> 00:15:39,240 Speaker 2: being super physical, and it drags it into the mud. 291 00:15:39,600 --> 00:15:42,560 Speaker 2: And I thought the fundamental difference of the series was 292 00:15:42,640 --> 00:15:45,240 Speaker 2: at the end of these games, the Knicks knew exactly 293 00:15:45,280 --> 00:15:47,640 Speaker 2: what they wanted to do on offense, they knew exactly 294 00:15:47,680 --> 00:15:51,400 Speaker 2: who they were playing through, they knew exactly how to 295 00:15:51,560 --> 00:15:54,280 Speaker 2: score in those situations. I mean, the easiest way I 296 00:15:54,280 --> 00:15:57,720 Speaker 2: could put it is Jalen Brunson had more points in 297 00:15:57,840 --> 00:16:01,160 Speaker 2: clutch time, meaning within five point it's less than five minutes. 298 00:16:01,400 --> 00:16:04,320 Speaker 2: He had more points in clutch time than fox, Castle 299 00:16:04,360 --> 00:16:07,960 Speaker 2: and Harper combined. And I mean that's not counting Wenby, 300 00:16:08,040 --> 00:16:10,240 Speaker 2: who was four for twelve in clutch time. He wasn't 301 00:16:10,320 --> 00:16:12,920 Speaker 2: very good either, but like ultimately you saw that everyone 302 00:16:12,960 --> 00:16:14,880 Speaker 2: was calling for Harper, and I'm a big Harper believer. 303 00:16:14,960 --> 00:16:16,560 Speaker 2: I think he's the second best player on the team, 304 00:16:16,600 --> 00:16:18,560 Speaker 2: and I think he is like a star, like a 305 00:16:19,160 --> 00:16:20,960 Speaker 2: He's going to be one of the best six or 306 00:16:20,960 --> 00:16:23,280 Speaker 2: seven players in the NBA within within five years. He's 307 00:16:23,280 --> 00:16:26,640 Speaker 2: that good. Everyone's like play through Harper down the stretch. 308 00:16:26,680 --> 00:16:28,760 Speaker 2: He was bad down the stretch too, smoking free throws, 309 00:16:28,760 --> 00:16:31,040 Speaker 2: missing layups, driving into traffic and losing the ball. 310 00:16:31,120 --> 00:16:34,920 Speaker 1: Well, this goes this. I wrote this down, Jason. This 311 00:16:35,000 --> 00:16:38,400 Speaker 1: drove me crazy. Is that you know, listen, what's very 312 00:16:38,480 --> 00:16:43,800 Speaker 1: clear is that analytics are highly effective in the regular season. 313 00:16:43,800 --> 00:16:48,520 Speaker 1: The volume play conference finals in the finals is very situational. 314 00:16:50,040 --> 00:16:55,480 Speaker 1: I did think that when I watched the Spurs that 315 00:16:55,720 --> 00:17:01,040 Speaker 1: Castle and Harper too often they've got good three point looks. 316 00:17:01,160 --> 00:17:05,040 Speaker 1: It's like guys, they and they drive into a forest. 317 00:17:05,720 --> 00:17:09,399 Speaker 1: I mean, Og Robinson cats like guys. Just like when 318 00:17:09,440 --> 00:17:12,680 Speaker 1: Og got the tip. It's like, guys, these are big men. 319 00:17:13,720 --> 00:17:16,040 Speaker 1: It was maddening in the fourth quarter because the Knicks 320 00:17:16,280 --> 00:17:20,320 Speaker 1: had opportunity. The Knicks gave them opportunities, and it's just 321 00:17:20,440 --> 00:17:23,680 Speaker 1: like they just don't take these jumpers. I mean, Stefan 322 00:17:23,800 --> 00:17:27,639 Speaker 1: Castle is springy, but good God, he's going into the lane. 323 00:17:27,680 --> 00:17:29,680 Speaker 1: And how many times did the Spurs guards go into 324 00:17:29,720 --> 00:17:32,480 Speaker 1: the lane in the fourth quarter? Miss fall on the floor, 325 00:17:33,359 --> 00:17:35,840 Speaker 1: next are off and running after about a half dozen times, 326 00:17:35,840 --> 00:17:40,240 Speaker 1: I'm like, guys, shoot threes like the Spurs almost Wenby, 327 00:17:40,280 --> 00:17:42,720 Speaker 1: I'd like you a little closer. But the guard I 328 00:17:42,800 --> 00:17:46,240 Speaker 1: just feel like they're guards, besells. Obviously you can hit threes, 329 00:17:46,920 --> 00:17:51,280 Speaker 1: but I did feel like too often they're almost overly aggressive, 330 00:17:51,720 --> 00:17:54,320 Speaker 1: like trying to prove a point as guards. And some 331 00:17:54,400 --> 00:17:58,560 Speaker 1: of that's Mit, it's Mitch Johnson, the coach. I felt like, guys, 332 00:17:58,880 --> 00:18:02,359 Speaker 1: take the jumpers. Maybe, Oh, I think you're spot on 333 00:18:02,400 --> 00:18:04,439 Speaker 1: about this. I thought that that was the story of 334 00:18:04,440 --> 00:18:07,720 Speaker 1: crunch time last night. Everyone's like, stop playing through Fox. 335 00:18:07,760 --> 00:18:10,119 Speaker 1: Fox's foxes, you know, shitting the bed for lack of 336 00:18:10,160 --> 00:18:12,080 Speaker 1: a better term. Let's set Fox aside for a second. 337 00:18:13,040 --> 00:18:16,119 Speaker 1: Harper and Castle, all they would do in pick and 338 00:18:16,200 --> 00:18:17,919 Speaker 1: roll is just drive right into the teeth of the 339 00:18:17,920 --> 00:18:20,640 Speaker 1: defense every single time. And that was how the Knicks 340 00:18:20,680 --> 00:18:23,000 Speaker 1: regarding them, the Knicks regarding them in a way that 341 00:18:23,160 --> 00:18:26,320 Speaker 1: was like, let's force them to finish over multiple bodies 342 00:18:26,359 --> 00:18:28,920 Speaker 1: at the basket, and like, you're right, like I thought 343 00:18:28,920 --> 00:18:30,800 Speaker 1: one of the pivotal plays of the game was the 344 00:18:30,840 --> 00:18:33,320 Speaker 1: play We're Harper. They finally everyone's like, give the ball 345 00:18:33,320 --> 00:18:36,240 Speaker 1: to Dylan Harper, He's our best option. Drives into traffic, 346 00:18:36,600 --> 00:18:39,760 Speaker 1: misses a layup, falls into camera, Row knicks run out 347 00:18:39,800 --> 00:18:41,720 Speaker 1: the other way og and Andobi gets the dunk that 348 00:18:41,800 --> 00:18:43,879 Speaker 1: was goaltender, the one where the one where Devin Vessel 349 00:18:43,920 --> 00:18:46,000 Speaker 1: came up through the rim. That's a huge play in 350 00:18:46,040 --> 00:18:46,400 Speaker 1: the game. 351 00:18:46,480 --> 00:18:48,520 Speaker 2: And like, for all the criticism of Fox, and by 352 00:18:48,520 --> 00:18:51,359 Speaker 2: the way, Fox was so bad, so so so bad 353 00:18:51,800 --> 00:18:54,800 Speaker 2: that like I all the criticism is fair. Fox will 354 00:18:54,800 --> 00:18:58,080 Speaker 2: take the jumper. Fox will if he goes into the 355 00:18:58,160 --> 00:19:00,199 Speaker 2: lane in the ball screen and you go under, if 356 00:19:00,240 --> 00:19:02,280 Speaker 2: you leave him in that gap in the midrange, he'll 357 00:19:02,400 --> 00:19:04,440 Speaker 2: rise up and take the jumper. And like that's why 358 00:19:04,480 --> 00:19:07,040 Speaker 2: everyone's like, oh, we gotta trade Fox, And I totally 359 00:19:07,080 --> 00:19:09,560 Speaker 2: get that. And there's a conversation about, like maybe they 360 00:19:09,560 --> 00:19:12,119 Speaker 2: should trade Fox sooner than later, simply because it'll just 361 00:19:12,119 --> 00:19:15,040 Speaker 2: get harder as he gets older. And like those sixty 362 00:19:15,080 --> 00:19:18,760 Speaker 2: seventy million, those super expensive years, I think it's like 363 00:19:18,800 --> 00:19:22,199 Speaker 2: fifty sixty million, those super expensive years, they're harder to 364 00:19:22,240 --> 00:19:24,800 Speaker 2: swallow when Fox is like thirty one and he's just 365 00:19:24,840 --> 00:19:28,520 Speaker 2: not very good anymore. But like the thing with Fox 366 00:19:28,560 --> 00:19:31,919 Speaker 2: that I'd be nervous about giving him up for is 367 00:19:32,320 --> 00:19:36,200 Speaker 2: how close are Castle and Harper really to being guys 368 00:19:36,200 --> 00:19:38,520 Speaker 2: who are comfortable taking those pull up jump shots off 369 00:19:38,560 --> 00:19:41,240 Speaker 2: the dribble. They could be years away. And like I 370 00:19:41,280 --> 00:19:42,840 Speaker 2: said this on my show last night for all to 371 00:19:42,840 --> 00:19:45,560 Speaker 2: talk about Fox, and it was bad that dude's gonna 372 00:19:45,560 --> 00:19:48,120 Speaker 2: be in some big games again next year. I mean, sorry, 373 00:19:48,200 --> 00:19:49,760 Speaker 2: the Spurs are gonna be in a big playoff series 374 00:19:49,760 --> 00:19:51,119 Speaker 2: again next year. I hate to break it to you, like, 375 00:19:51,200 --> 00:19:55,520 Speaker 2: Ye're not going anywhere, and unless you feel like Harper 376 00:19:55,560 --> 00:19:58,840 Speaker 2: and Castle are ready, you're gonna need you need him 377 00:19:58,880 --> 00:20:01,800 Speaker 2: to play better. So what you need Fox because he 378 00:20:02,119 --> 00:20:04,960 Speaker 2: is at a phase in his skill development where he's 379 00:20:04,960 --> 00:20:06,840 Speaker 2: got the give and the take, He's got the drive 380 00:20:06,920 --> 00:20:09,879 Speaker 2: and the jumper, and until one of those other guards, 381 00:20:09,880 --> 00:20:12,159 Speaker 2: whether it's Castle or Harper, figures that part of their 382 00:20:12,200 --> 00:20:15,200 Speaker 2: game out, they're just ultimately easy to guard in the postseason. 383 00:20:17,720 --> 00:20:20,520 Speaker 1: Today's show is brought to you by our friends and 384 00:20:20,560 --> 00:20:24,639 Speaker 1: our presenting sponsor, hard Rock Bet Florida Sportsbook. Listen the 385 00:20:24,640 --> 00:20:28,440 Speaker 1: world's biggest soccer tournament is here. Everybody seeing the ratings, 386 00:20:28,800 --> 00:20:32,760 Speaker 1: everybody's watching National Pride on the line. 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Dylan Harper average eighteen points, six 420 00:22:18,560 --> 00:22:21,080 Speaker 1: and a half, rebound, shot forty nine percent and played 421 00:22:21,119 --> 00:22:22,879 Speaker 1: thirty one minutes Like I think it was kind of 422 00:22:22,920 --> 00:22:26,320 Speaker 1: the elephant in the room, which everybody was like, can 423 00:22:26,359 --> 00:22:29,199 Speaker 1: we have him play more? You know, I thought there 424 00:22:29,280 --> 00:22:32,199 Speaker 1: was you know, I'm not I don't pick on coaches 425 00:22:32,200 --> 00:22:33,960 Speaker 1: a lot. In fact, I've said this about the media. 426 00:22:34,000 --> 00:22:37,120 Speaker 1: We're obsessed with coaching and you know, players. Generally, you're 427 00:22:37,160 --> 00:22:39,960 Speaker 1: as good as your players. A good coach can elevate 428 00:22:40,280 --> 00:22:42,800 Speaker 1: half a grade, and a bad coach hurts you. I 429 00:22:42,840 --> 00:22:45,679 Speaker 1: think there's the Harper Fox issue. I also think they 430 00:22:45,680 --> 00:22:48,320 Speaker 1: didn't get wenby rest at the right times during the series. 431 00:22:48,800 --> 00:22:50,960 Speaker 1: And I also think, you know, it's easy to blame 432 00:22:51,040 --> 00:22:57,160 Speaker 1: Mitch for the end of game frenetic, poor shot selection. 433 00:22:57,520 --> 00:23:00,240 Speaker 1: Some of that's players, some of it's intuitive. Basketball is 434 00:23:00,240 --> 00:23:02,480 Speaker 1: a very intuitive sport. You can't coach everything. This is 435 00:23:02,520 --> 00:23:06,520 Speaker 1: not college coach k is on the sideline. It's flow. 436 00:23:06,760 --> 00:23:08,720 Speaker 1: It's like we always talk about soccer. You can have 437 00:23:09,119 --> 00:23:12,400 Speaker 1: you can have set pieces and corner kicks. The great 438 00:23:12,400 --> 00:23:15,879 Speaker 1: teams have open play. It's fluidity. It's you're just beating 439 00:23:15,920 --> 00:23:18,440 Speaker 1: your guy down the field. And that's the same with basketball. 440 00:23:18,480 --> 00:23:22,600 Speaker 1: So you can't. You don't want to over coach, so I, 441 00:23:22,840 --> 00:23:26,040 Speaker 1: you know, I kind of look at you know, it's 442 00:23:26,119 --> 00:23:29,800 Speaker 1: it's really interesting. I thought during it, I thought they'll 443 00:23:29,840 --> 00:23:32,280 Speaker 1: get away with Fox's contract, which starts next year, and 444 00:23:32,280 --> 00:23:34,200 Speaker 1: it's pretty ugly because they have so many great young 445 00:23:34,240 --> 00:23:37,040 Speaker 1: players not making anything for a year, so they're they're fine, 446 00:23:38,160 --> 00:23:40,760 Speaker 1: and you get that occasionally where you know, you just 447 00:23:40,840 --> 00:23:44,720 Speaker 1: have a bad contract. Great gms make big mistakes. Jerry West, 448 00:23:45,320 --> 00:23:47,080 Speaker 1: the late Jerry West, would talk about the one or 449 00:23:47,080 --> 00:23:49,080 Speaker 1: two players. Right, It's like I just missed on it. 450 00:23:49,800 --> 00:23:54,400 Speaker 1: But I don't know. I I think what's fascinating about 451 00:23:54,520 --> 00:23:57,600 Speaker 1: the Knicks is we know the Spurs are returning. The 452 00:23:57,680 --> 00:24:00,440 Speaker 1: question is the Knicks. You know, what what do the 453 00:24:00,480 --> 00:24:02,840 Speaker 1: Knicks look like in a year? Because this will be 454 00:24:02,840 --> 00:24:04,879 Speaker 1: the eight this is the eighth champion in eight years. 455 00:24:05,440 --> 00:24:09,480 Speaker 1: They're not old, but they they have some expenses here. 456 00:24:09,720 --> 00:24:12,040 Speaker 1: What do the Knicks look like in a year? Who 457 00:24:12,200 --> 00:24:12,879 Speaker 1: isn't here? 458 00:24:13,359 --> 00:24:15,840 Speaker 2: I think I think that there's going to be some 459 00:24:15,960 --> 00:24:19,480 Speaker 2: interesting conversations surrounding Mitchell Robinson. The core guys are all 460 00:24:19,520 --> 00:24:23,440 Speaker 2: coming back right right. The thing with Mitchell Robinson and 461 00:24:23,960 --> 00:24:26,320 Speaker 2: I actually thought, you know, because they had various points 462 00:24:26,320 --> 00:24:28,080 Speaker 2: in the series, ended up going to Ariel hook Porty 463 00:24:28,160 --> 00:24:32,439 Speaker 2: because of foul trouble and and I think there's Mohamma 464 00:24:32,480 --> 00:24:34,359 Speaker 2: Dijuara is another guy that they got in the second 465 00:24:34,400 --> 00:24:36,159 Speaker 2: round last year. Is actually played pretty well that I 466 00:24:36,160 --> 00:24:37,720 Speaker 2: think could be a guy who can step in for 467 00:24:37,800 --> 00:24:40,320 Speaker 2: like some small ball looks for them. I think that's 468 00:24:40,359 --> 00:24:43,800 Speaker 2: the obvious like cost cutting piece, which is essentially, you know, 469 00:24:44,320 --> 00:24:47,960 Speaker 2: we let Mitch go, we think we can reasonably replace him. 470 00:24:48,000 --> 00:24:50,440 Speaker 2: The thing with Mitch is he's he plays a position 471 00:24:50,520 --> 00:24:53,760 Speaker 2: of value, Like look at what happened in this postseason run. 472 00:24:54,000 --> 00:24:56,879 Speaker 2: Look at how dominant Chet and Isaiah Hartenstein were before 473 00:24:56,920 --> 00:24:59,400 Speaker 2: they ran into Wemby. Look At how I thought Mitch 474 00:24:59,520 --> 00:25:01,560 Speaker 2: was great on Wenby throughout the series. I thought he 475 00:25:01,560 --> 00:25:04,240 Speaker 2: did a great job on him. Somebody out there is 476 00:25:04,280 --> 00:25:06,960 Speaker 2: gonna be like, we're gonna give Mitchell Robinson twenty five 477 00:25:07,000 --> 00:25:10,040 Speaker 2: million dollars for four years or maybe even more. And 478 00:25:10,200 --> 00:25:14,159 Speaker 2: if that happens, that I think is a pill that 479 00:25:14,200 --> 00:25:17,239 Speaker 2: would be hard to swallow for the Knicks. But beyond that, 480 00:25:18,359 --> 00:25:20,000 Speaker 2: this is where, like we talk about this with the 481 00:25:20,040 --> 00:25:22,679 Speaker 2: Lakers all the time, hitting on the margins, going to 482 00:25:22,680 --> 00:25:24,520 Speaker 2: get a guy like Landry Shamtt, and all of a 483 00:25:24,520 --> 00:25:26,480 Speaker 2: sudden he ends up being one of your most pivotal 484 00:25:26,480 --> 00:25:30,040 Speaker 2: playoff players in this entire run, Like you hit one 485 00:25:30,119 --> 00:25:33,480 Speaker 2: or two guys on the margins in a discounted role 486 00:25:33,600 --> 00:25:36,040 Speaker 2: like that, you're in great shape. And again all the 487 00:25:36,040 --> 00:25:38,560 Speaker 2: core guys are coming back. And this is like literally 488 00:25:38,600 --> 00:25:41,520 Speaker 2: one of the most underdiscussed pieces of this entire playoff run, 489 00:25:42,440 --> 00:25:47,480 Speaker 2: Jalen Brunson taking that discount, making it so that even 490 00:25:47,560 --> 00:25:50,560 Speaker 2: though he's clearly a player that like Jalen Brown, should 491 00:25:50,560 --> 00:25:54,879 Speaker 2: be making sixty million a year, is making forty. It 492 00:25:54,960 --> 00:25:58,000 Speaker 2: gives you the ability to field this type of talent 493 00:25:58,160 --> 00:26:00,360 Speaker 2: level into the future. I think he deserves so much 494 00:26:00,359 --> 00:26:03,680 Speaker 2: credit for Like, there is a good chance that Austin 495 00:26:03,720 --> 00:26:06,639 Speaker 2: Reeves makes more money in the next three seasons than 496 00:26:06,720 --> 00:26:10,840 Speaker 2: Jalen Brunson, and Jalen Brunson just won a finals MVP. Like, 497 00:26:10,880 --> 00:26:13,320 Speaker 2: I think he deserves so much credit for taking that 498 00:26:13,440 --> 00:26:17,480 Speaker 2: pay cut to facilitate the flexibility that they've had. And like, really, 499 00:26:17,560 --> 00:26:19,720 Speaker 2: it's like, yeah, it's Mitchell Robinson's the big swing piece 500 00:26:19,720 --> 00:26:21,119 Speaker 2: of the summer, But I think they're just running it 501 00:26:21,160 --> 00:26:23,240 Speaker 2: back with everybody. 502 00:26:23,359 --> 00:26:27,400 Speaker 1: Yeah No, And I think again, I think it's such 503 00:26:28,800 --> 00:26:35,000 Speaker 1: a high intelligent team. Not only that it's a lot 504 00:26:35,000 --> 00:26:38,520 Speaker 1: of self aware. I mean, just think about this. I 505 00:26:38,560 --> 00:26:42,199 Speaker 1: was raiding this. One of the guys that I was 506 00:26:42,200 --> 00:26:46,040 Speaker 1: talking to on my staff was sending me you know 507 00:26:46,160 --> 00:26:49,720 Speaker 1: a little bit about this. Let me find this is 508 00:26:49,800 --> 00:26:55,600 Speaker 1: that if you really look at Brunson, it's that he 509 00:26:55,720 --> 00:26:59,920 Speaker 1: did things the right way, not worrying about brand, taking 510 00:27:00,160 --> 00:27:04,000 Speaker 1: less money multiple years in college, sort of the anti 511 00:27:04,240 --> 00:27:07,440 Speaker 1: AAU guy, and that kind of feels like the Nicks. 512 00:27:08,119 --> 00:27:12,480 Speaker 1: It just bridges and og and bruntson. And now kat 513 00:27:12,520 --> 00:27:15,040 Speaker 1: obviously was a number one pick and he but it's 514 00:27:15,359 --> 00:27:19,920 Speaker 1: a lot of these guys are like bruntson. They're gonna 515 00:27:19,920 --> 00:27:21,560 Speaker 1: wear well over time, you know what I mean. Like 516 00:27:21,640 --> 00:27:23,840 Speaker 1: Josh Hart's on Twitter like, hey, it's time to golf. 517 00:27:23,880 --> 00:27:25,720 Speaker 1: Anybody know what golf course I can play on? And 518 00:27:25,800 --> 00:27:28,280 Speaker 1: it's like, you know, these guys are not hiding from 519 00:27:28,320 --> 00:27:32,280 Speaker 1: the public, and I just think they are a championship teams. 520 00:27:32,280 --> 00:27:34,240 Speaker 1: I think O k C has some of this as well, 521 00:27:34,280 --> 00:27:35,920 Speaker 1: Like I don't think it's a ton of egos there. 522 00:27:37,920 --> 00:27:40,119 Speaker 1: You know, you always felt when the Warriors had Katie 523 00:27:40,160 --> 00:27:43,600 Speaker 1: Stefan Clay, You're like sometimes there'd be things set after 524 00:27:43,680 --> 00:27:46,000 Speaker 1: games and you're like that landed weird. Did Bob Meyer 525 00:27:46,080 --> 00:27:48,679 Speaker 1: say that at the victory parade? How will KD take it? 526 00:27:49,080 --> 00:27:51,199 Speaker 1: I think the Knicks will wear well. I think the 527 00:27:51,240 --> 00:27:55,280 Speaker 1: only thing I would worry about is age injuries. I 528 00:27:55,280 --> 00:27:59,800 Speaker 1: don't think it's lack of you knows, it's not lack 529 00:27:59,840 --> 00:28:02,920 Speaker 1: of guile or toughness or metal. They're just they have 530 00:28:02,960 --> 00:28:05,280 Speaker 1: an older team. It's a long regular season, and it 531 00:28:05,400 --> 00:28:09,159 Speaker 1: also there's gonna be a lot of celebrating, like the 532 00:28:09,200 --> 00:28:12,480 Speaker 1: off season may have a few more bud lights. I 533 00:28:12,480 --> 00:28:14,600 Speaker 1: mean it's gonna be that. It's good in I'm not 534 00:28:14,600 --> 00:28:16,639 Speaker 1: blaming them, like fifty three years a long street. New 535 00:28:16,720 --> 00:28:18,800 Speaker 1: York loves to take care of its own right Like, So, 536 00:28:19,359 --> 00:28:20,719 Speaker 1: I don't know. I think the Knicks will be very good. 537 00:28:20,720 --> 00:28:22,960 Speaker 1: I think the East will be better next year. I 538 00:28:23,000 --> 00:28:24,120 Speaker 1: think Tatum will be back. 539 00:28:25,280 --> 00:28:26,439 Speaker 2: Gianness might be a Celtic. 540 00:28:28,400 --> 00:28:30,679 Speaker 1: I mean there's you know, they're not athletic enough. I mean, 541 00:28:30,840 --> 00:28:33,159 Speaker 1: what was really interesting I said this. I think it 542 00:28:33,320 --> 00:28:35,439 Speaker 1: was a couple of weeks with you as you were 543 00:28:35,440 --> 00:28:38,840 Speaker 1: watching the Knicks. You're like in the new CBA where 544 00:28:38,880 --> 00:28:40,960 Speaker 1: like you're paying seventy percent of your cap to Brown 545 00:28:40,960 --> 00:28:44,920 Speaker 1: and Tatum. I'm like Celtics aren't athletic enough, like they 546 00:28:45,160 --> 00:28:47,680 Speaker 1: have to take a swing, Like you say, what I mean? 547 00:28:47,840 --> 00:28:51,320 Speaker 1: That's it's so funny in this league now, Jason one year, 548 00:28:52,360 --> 00:28:54,400 Speaker 1: all of a sudden, you look at Holmgren, You're like, well, 549 00:28:54,400 --> 00:28:58,400 Speaker 1: it's not a bad contract, but he really shrinks against Wimby. 550 00:28:58,560 --> 00:29:01,680 Speaker 1: Do we have to like the new CBA. That's why 551 00:29:01,680 --> 00:29:04,120 Speaker 1: I say about Austin Reeves at forty three million, you 552 00:29:04,160 --> 00:29:07,320 Speaker 1: can't do that, Like that's you can't have a contract 553 00:29:07,360 --> 00:29:09,760 Speaker 1: like that. The Knicks don't have an ugly one. They 554 00:29:09,760 --> 00:29:11,760 Speaker 1: don't really have it. They don't if they let go 555 00:29:11,800 --> 00:29:14,760 Speaker 1: of Mitchell Robinson, why not come back? They don't have 556 00:29:14,840 --> 00:29:18,040 Speaker 1: a bad contract one that creates animosity in the room. 557 00:29:18,520 --> 00:29:21,400 Speaker 2: Yeah. I think one of the underrated pieces of the 558 00:29:21,720 --> 00:29:23,880 Speaker 2: of the the way that their team is put together 559 00:29:24,040 --> 00:29:26,920 Speaker 2: is they're kind of less susceptible to the post championship 560 00:29:26,960 --> 00:29:29,480 Speaker 2: issues that other teams will have. Yeah, Like was it 561 00:29:29,520 --> 00:29:31,600 Speaker 2: pat Riley that used to talk about the disease of more? 562 00:29:31,920 --> 00:29:35,360 Speaker 2: I think it was Pat Yeah. Like like every first 563 00:29:35,360 --> 00:29:37,280 Speaker 2: of all, every single one of those guys other than 564 00:29:37,360 --> 00:29:42,280 Speaker 2: Kat is an overachiever, like Jalen og McHale and Josh 565 00:29:42,320 --> 00:29:46,480 Speaker 2: are all players who are dramatically overachieving compared to what 566 00:29:46,520 --> 00:29:50,400 Speaker 2: their pedigree was coming into the NBA. They've all received 567 00:29:50,440 --> 00:29:53,600 Speaker 2: massive paydays, so they've all been well taken care of financially, 568 00:29:54,000 --> 00:29:57,600 Speaker 2: and like who's the You can't even conceptualize a disease 569 00:29:57,640 --> 00:30:00,560 Speaker 2: of more guy, Like who's the guy? Like Jalen Bernson 570 00:30:00,600 --> 00:30:02,720 Speaker 2: just got finals MVP dropped forty five in game five. 571 00:30:03,520 --> 00:30:05,280 Speaker 2: I think he's doing just fine with his role on 572 00:30:05,320 --> 00:30:08,480 Speaker 2: the team. I don't think McHale or og have delusions 573 00:30:08,520 --> 00:30:11,600 Speaker 2: of being MVP level ball handlers. They're just guys that 574 00:30:11,640 --> 00:30:14,240 Speaker 2: are extremely high level role players. Josh Hart is literally 575 00:30:14,280 --> 00:30:15,840 Speaker 2: the heart and soul of the team, dirty work guy. 576 00:30:16,200 --> 00:30:19,520 Speaker 2: And Karl Anthony Towns, to his credit, Like Karl Anthony 577 00:30:19,520 --> 00:30:21,480 Speaker 2: Towns is the one guy out of that five that 578 00:30:21,600 --> 00:30:24,480 Speaker 2: was a blue chipper. Like I remember, if you go back, 579 00:30:24,600 --> 00:30:27,600 Speaker 2: you know, almost ten years ago now, when Kat was 580 00:30:27,640 --> 00:30:29,440 Speaker 2: first coming into the league, he was the guy that 581 00:30:29,480 --> 00:30:31,320 Speaker 2: everyone voted was like, this is the number one guy 582 00:30:31,360 --> 00:30:32,959 Speaker 2: you want to start your franchise with. Like when he 583 00:30:33,000 --> 00:30:36,040 Speaker 2: was first coming out of Kentucky, he was like legitimately 584 00:30:36,080 --> 00:30:39,960 Speaker 2: considered one of the best prospects in the league, and 585 00:30:40,560 --> 00:30:44,080 Speaker 2: he has basically evolved into a role player he has 586 00:30:44,120 --> 00:30:47,120 Speaker 2: evolved into. Like his usage went down in this playoff run, 587 00:30:47,120 --> 00:30:49,520 Speaker 2: his efficiency went up. He was way more devoted to 588 00:30:49,560 --> 00:30:52,880 Speaker 2: the defensive end of the floor. The simple way to 589 00:30:52,960 --> 00:30:54,960 Speaker 2: kind of refine all that is to say the Knicks 590 00:30:54,960 --> 00:30:57,719 Speaker 2: aren't going anywhere. Like let's say the Celtics do go 591 00:30:57,800 --> 00:31:00,720 Speaker 2: pull off a deal for Yiannis. Let's say the Heat 592 00:31:00,760 --> 00:31:02,920 Speaker 2: do pull off a deal for someone. Let's say the 593 00:31:02,920 --> 00:31:05,840 Speaker 2: Pistons do get Kyrie Irving. You're gonna have to go 594 00:31:05,880 --> 00:31:08,400 Speaker 2: through this NIXT team and they're gonna have continuity, and 595 00:31:08,440 --> 00:31:10,840 Speaker 2: they're gonna have Madison Square Garden, and they're gonna have 596 00:31:10,880 --> 00:31:14,040 Speaker 2: the best clutch player in the NBA like they and 597 00:31:14,080 --> 00:31:16,280 Speaker 2: they have no reason to break anything up. They all 598 00:31:16,320 --> 00:31:19,000 Speaker 2: love playing together. So like in a weird way, they're 599 00:31:19,040 --> 00:31:22,360 Speaker 2: gonna be They're gonna be kind of like Jimmy and 600 00:31:22,440 --> 00:31:24,640 Speaker 2: Bam were there for years. They're gonna be like the 601 00:31:25,560 --> 00:31:27,040 Speaker 2: you have to get through them to get out of 602 00:31:27,080 --> 00:31:29,000 Speaker 2: the Eastern Conference. I viewed them as very much as 603 00:31:29,000 --> 00:31:32,640 Speaker 2: staple a year to year competitor contender in that conference. 604 00:31:34,280 --> 00:31:39,240 Speaker 1: For the record, you know, since you were initially and 605 00:31:39,600 --> 00:31:43,920 Speaker 1: remain the top Laker podcaster on the planet. Is it 606 00:31:44,000 --> 00:31:46,280 Speaker 1: is interesting with Austin reeves you got to make a 607 00:31:46,280 --> 00:31:49,000 Speaker 1: deal because you can't let him go. But and he's 608 00:31:49,000 --> 00:31:51,440 Speaker 1: gonna get over forty because I've said this, I think 609 00:31:51,480 --> 00:31:54,040 Speaker 1: he has a market. I think in Detroit is fascinating 610 00:31:54,200 --> 00:31:58,160 Speaker 1: where they really need another shot creator behind Kate. I 611 00:31:58,200 --> 00:32:02,080 Speaker 1: think in Chicago it works. Orlando, I mean I could, 612 00:32:02,120 --> 00:32:04,000 Speaker 1: I can bring down I can give you four or 613 00:32:04,040 --> 00:32:07,640 Speaker 1: five teams run like, Yeah, Austin works. I think he 614 00:32:07,720 --> 00:32:10,360 Speaker 1: works in LA I just think the issue is if 615 00:32:10,360 --> 00:32:12,400 Speaker 1: you want to bring Lebron back, then you've got you know, 616 00:32:12,480 --> 00:32:15,200 Speaker 1: forty nine here, forty three there. Lebron doesn't want to 617 00:32:15,200 --> 00:32:17,720 Speaker 1: take fifteen. Okay, I need two three and d's and 618 00:32:17,760 --> 00:32:21,080 Speaker 1: a rim protector. Guys, what are we doing here? Is 619 00:32:21,120 --> 00:32:25,080 Speaker 1: there a you know? I could I could see the 620 00:32:25,200 --> 00:32:27,480 Speaker 1: Lakers really doing this. I don't know if they have enough, 621 00:32:27,520 --> 00:32:29,719 Speaker 1: but I could see the Lakers just saying, listen, the 622 00:32:29,760 --> 00:32:32,320 Speaker 1: only thing that works and puts in a championship window 623 00:32:32,720 --> 00:32:36,000 Speaker 1: is Yannis. And we can't pay Austin. We have Luca 624 00:32:36,000 --> 00:32:38,920 Speaker 1: and Giannis, and we figure out a way to make 625 00:32:38,960 --> 00:32:42,640 Speaker 1: it work. When you look at the Lakers, how do 626 00:32:42,720 --> 00:32:47,840 Speaker 1: you make that jump? Okay where you can literally within 627 00:32:47,920 --> 00:32:50,560 Speaker 1: two years. You're like, all right, if they got home 628 00:32:50,560 --> 00:32:52,920 Speaker 1: court advantage, I mean you're not You're not going to 629 00:32:53,000 --> 00:32:55,520 Speaker 1: have you know, you're not going to have the talent, 630 00:32:55,680 --> 00:32:59,120 Speaker 1: the twitchiness of San Antonio. You don't have the GM 631 00:32:59,680 --> 00:33:03,200 Speaker 1: of Oklahoma City. But what do you surround what do 632 00:33:03,240 --> 00:33:05,920 Speaker 1: you do with Austin? Is there a perfect case scenario? 633 00:33:06,280 --> 00:33:08,200 Speaker 2: You know, this is the thing that I keep coming 634 00:33:08,240 --> 00:33:10,920 Speaker 2: back to with Austin on the money side of it, 635 00:33:11,240 --> 00:33:13,960 Speaker 2: like guards in the NBA that our lead guards just 636 00:33:14,000 --> 00:33:17,080 Speaker 2: get paid forty forty five million dollars, they just do. 637 00:33:17,200 --> 00:33:19,800 Speaker 2: I mean, let me ask you this, just very simply, Colin, 638 00:33:19,960 --> 00:33:22,800 Speaker 2: who would you rather have for the next four years 639 00:33:22,880 --> 00:33:26,880 Speaker 2: on a deal like Austin averaging forty forty two million 640 00:33:26,920 --> 00:33:28,480 Speaker 2: a year or that deer in Fox contract. 641 00:33:28,960 --> 00:33:31,840 Speaker 1: I'd rather have, as Jesus, I'd rather have Austin wage. 642 00:33:32,080 --> 00:33:33,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, I'd rather have a Bustin and like and you 643 00:33:33,840 --> 00:33:35,320 Speaker 2: start to look around the league and you look at 644 00:33:35,320 --> 00:33:37,040 Speaker 2: what the Jamal Murrays make, and you look at what 645 00:33:37,080 --> 00:33:38,840 Speaker 2: the Desmond Bines make, and you look at what all 646 00:33:38,840 --> 00:33:43,280 Speaker 2: these dudes make like Austin frankly deserves to make that 647 00:33:43,480 --> 00:33:45,800 Speaker 2: forty forty three million a year kind of deal. And 648 00:33:45,840 --> 00:33:48,960 Speaker 2: so from there, what I would actually, you know, Colin, 649 00:33:49,320 --> 00:33:52,800 Speaker 2: what happened with the Knicks actually made me think the 650 00:33:52,880 --> 00:33:56,320 Speaker 2: Lakers are closer in the sense that what was one 651 00:33:56,360 --> 00:33:59,640 Speaker 2: of the biggest storylines surrounding the NBA over the last 652 00:33:59,680 --> 00:34:02,840 Speaker 2: two three years or two years, can't win with Cat 653 00:34:02,880 --> 00:34:06,520 Speaker 2: and Brunson. They're both bad defenders. That that was the story. 654 00:34:07,240 --> 00:34:10,640 Speaker 2: And like, yeah, and Frankly, like, what happened was is 655 00:34:10,680 --> 00:34:13,279 Speaker 2: they surrounded them with good two way players and they 656 00:34:13,280 --> 00:34:15,799 Speaker 2: made it happen. Now, the important differentiated there is the 657 00:34:15,880 --> 00:34:20,120 Speaker 2: Jalen Brunson discount and that's that's the important context there. 658 00:34:20,160 --> 00:34:22,560 Speaker 2: And like, by the way, I do think if Austin 659 00:34:22,600 --> 00:34:25,319 Speaker 2: stays or the Lakers they do something slightly more team friendly, 660 00:34:25,320 --> 00:34:27,400 Speaker 2: I wouldn't be surprised if he takes a slight discount 661 00:34:27,400 --> 00:34:31,880 Speaker 2: to stay there. But still I think Luca and Austin 662 00:34:32,000 --> 00:34:37,240 Speaker 2: as complimentary ball handlers are enough. That's not the issue. 663 00:34:37,280 --> 00:34:40,560 Speaker 2: The issue is the surrounding talent. The issue is Rob 664 00:34:40,600 --> 00:34:43,920 Speaker 2: Polinka's ability to find starting caliber players to put around them. 665 00:34:44,000 --> 00:34:47,799 Speaker 2: It's the ability to find a player you can pay 666 00:34:47,800 --> 00:34:50,240 Speaker 2: twenty five to thirty million that is a like legit, 667 00:34:50,440 --> 00:34:53,480 Speaker 2: rock solid starting caliber guards the other team's best player 668 00:34:53,560 --> 00:34:56,000 Speaker 2: knocks down open catch and shoot threes. That type of dude. 669 00:34:56,200 --> 00:34:59,160 Speaker 2: Like to me, Like, I think the Knicks should be 670 00:34:59,360 --> 00:35:02,319 Speaker 2: the symbol for the rest of the NBA that you're 671 00:35:02,360 --> 00:35:06,000 Speaker 2: closer than you think. You need to have complimentary talent. 672 00:35:06,400 --> 00:35:09,520 Speaker 2: Everyone's got to fit really well. You gotta have strong culture. 673 00:35:09,800 --> 00:35:11,120 Speaker 2: You gotta have a guy who can carry you home 674 00:35:11,160 --> 00:35:13,840 Speaker 2: in the last five minutes, which that's Luca. Luca absolutely 675 00:35:13,880 --> 00:35:15,719 Speaker 2: can carry you home in the last five minutes. But 676 00:35:15,840 --> 00:35:18,000 Speaker 2: from there, it's like you gotta hit on the margins, 677 00:35:18,000 --> 00:35:20,960 Speaker 2: like the Knicks getting a Landri Shammitt at a discount 678 00:35:21,040 --> 00:35:23,640 Speaker 2: last summer, turning him into a big time rotation player, 679 00:35:24,000 --> 00:35:29,359 Speaker 2: them them putting together a legitimate starting lineup that can 680 00:35:29,680 --> 00:35:32,680 Speaker 2: cover for the defensive weaknesses of their two best players. 681 00:35:32,719 --> 00:35:37,040 Speaker 2: Like I think everyone should feel like they're closer than 682 00:35:37,040 --> 00:35:37,640 Speaker 2: you think. 683 00:35:37,760 --> 00:35:40,920 Speaker 1: Well, well, the other thing that we have to remember, 684 00:35:41,719 --> 00:35:44,319 Speaker 1: almost every one of these Nick moves got pushed back. 685 00:35:44,520 --> 00:35:47,520 Speaker 1: That that trade to get Og. If you remember, Ogi 686 00:35:47,600 --> 00:35:49,680 Speaker 1: had had a couple of injuries he'd been banged up 687 00:35:49,680 --> 00:35:52,480 Speaker 1: a little bit, and they and they gave up two 688 00:35:52,520 --> 00:35:56,080 Speaker 1: players that people liked that got pushback. Look at OG's 689 00:35:56,080 --> 00:35:56,960 Speaker 1: coming from Brunson. 690 00:35:58,040 --> 00:35:59,560 Speaker 2: He makes a lot more than Brunson. 691 00:36:01,000 --> 00:36:03,279 Speaker 1: Yep. I mean that that that was not one of 692 00:36:03,280 --> 00:36:06,760 Speaker 1: those great move. There was pushback on it. The Jalen Brunson. 693 00:36:06,800 --> 00:36:10,879 Speaker 1: I went and looked up. You can google Knicks make 694 00:36:11,000 --> 00:36:15,680 Speaker 1: move to secure Brunson. Look at the columns. There's a 695 00:36:15,760 --> 00:36:20,000 Speaker 1: lot of pushback. So what's interesting is, you know, this 696 00:36:20,160 --> 00:36:24,560 Speaker 1: wasn't ABC. They took swings. There was great not division, 697 00:36:24,600 --> 00:36:26,840 Speaker 1: but there was great pushback on the Brunson move. In 698 00:36:26,920 --> 00:36:29,160 Speaker 1: the Og move who ended up being their two most 699 00:36:29,200 --> 00:36:34,880 Speaker 1: reliable players there too. That's right. So I mean I 700 00:36:34,960 --> 00:36:38,080 Speaker 1: kind of look at it and I think there there's 701 00:36:38,120 --> 00:36:41,000 Speaker 1: no easy paths. There's too many good gms. A lot 702 00:36:41,000 --> 00:36:45,640 Speaker 1: of them are in the West, like you know, keep 703 00:36:45,680 --> 00:36:48,520 Speaker 1: your eye on Oklahoma City. People say they won't overreact, 704 00:36:48,520 --> 00:36:51,640 Speaker 1: but they've got some guys, rotational guys that eventually have 705 00:36:51,719 --> 00:36:54,280 Speaker 1: to get paid. Somebody's gonna pay some of those guys. 706 00:36:54,320 --> 00:37:00,879 Speaker 1: So you know, the Knicks are eight team in eight years. Imperfect, 707 00:37:01,000 --> 00:37:03,759 Speaker 1: but a lot of it was I'll go back to 708 00:37:03,840 --> 00:37:06,680 Speaker 1: James Dolan was kind of missing building the sphere for 709 00:37:06,680 --> 00:37:09,160 Speaker 1: a couple of years, and the front office guys made moves. 710 00:37:09,480 --> 00:37:11,879 Speaker 1: Dolan deserves a lot of credit for the Mike Brown 711 00:37:11,920 --> 00:37:14,719 Speaker 1: move because not everybody agreed with that, But this, you know, 712 00:37:15,280 --> 00:37:18,200 Speaker 1: it's it's there's you know, there are even people that 713 00:37:18,239 --> 00:37:20,600 Speaker 1: I really respect that already follow the Knicks and they're like, 714 00:37:21,200 --> 00:37:24,880 Speaker 1: I just I mean, in the regular season, I can 715 00:37:24,920 --> 00:37:28,080 Speaker 1: remember having a discussion with somebody and he's like, we've 716 00:37:28,080 --> 00:37:30,640 Speaker 1: just got a defensive hole we can't solve, you know, 717 00:37:30,760 --> 00:37:33,840 Speaker 1: and they did, So you know, there is something to 718 00:37:33,880 --> 00:37:40,680 Speaker 1: be said about like, look, Og didn't have didn't didn't 719 00:37:40,719 --> 00:37:47,040 Speaker 1: suffer any injuries in New York Cat. The tweak with Cat, 720 00:37:47,160 --> 00:37:48,719 Speaker 1: you know they let go of Heart and Steine, and 721 00:37:48,920 --> 00:37:51,759 Speaker 1: you know that that felt like troubling when they let 722 00:37:51,880 --> 00:37:54,720 Speaker 1: when he went, that was like, man, he is his energy, 723 00:37:55,280 --> 00:37:58,080 Speaker 1: his reback. That felt like a hole in the team 724 00:37:58,400 --> 00:38:02,040 Speaker 1: will end up not being a whole. So it's a 725 00:38:02,040 --> 00:38:04,800 Speaker 1: lot of things have to work. You know, Sam Darnold, 726 00:38:04,920 --> 00:38:07,680 Speaker 1: turnover guy, didn't have a single turnover in the playoff run. 727 00:38:07,760 --> 00:38:11,000 Speaker 1: Like there are there are things you can't predict right, 728 00:38:11,120 --> 00:38:13,600 Speaker 1: Like the one thing we said that held Seattle back. 729 00:38:13,840 --> 00:38:17,920 Speaker 1: He played perfect. Sometimes it's like things ship works like 730 00:38:18,000 --> 00:38:21,280 Speaker 1: it just it just it flows downhill, you get momentum. 731 00:38:21,719 --> 00:38:23,640 Speaker 1: For the record, I didn't think they matched up as 732 00:38:23,640 --> 00:38:29,440 Speaker 1: well against OKC because of playoff experience. The next trailed 733 00:38:29,440 --> 00:38:33,200 Speaker 1: in the fourth quarter was at all five games, like 734 00:38:33,320 --> 00:38:35,880 Speaker 1: some of this was. It was a really good matchup. 735 00:38:35,960 --> 00:38:38,600 Speaker 1: Their strength was the Spurs weakness. Was it not? 736 00:38:38,840 --> 00:38:42,000 Speaker 2: No, it absolutely was. I mean, like I think I 737 00:38:42,040 --> 00:38:45,520 Speaker 2: think we can we can celebrate the Knicks today without 738 00:38:45,560 --> 00:38:50,680 Speaker 2: having revisionist history. Okay, Like like last year, they looked 739 00:38:50,920 --> 00:38:55,360 Speaker 2: terrible all year except for the Celtics series. All regular 740 00:38:55,400 --> 00:38:58,759 Speaker 2: season they couldn't beat a good team. They really struggled 741 00:38:58,760 --> 00:39:02,360 Speaker 2: with the Pistons. Then they caught lightning in a bottle 742 00:39:02,400 --> 00:39:04,920 Speaker 2: against the Celtics, like they did that Celtics series was 743 00:39:04,960 --> 00:39:07,960 Speaker 2: something special. But then they looked miserable against Indiana and 744 00:39:08,000 --> 00:39:10,000 Speaker 2: a loss, and it was like it was a bad season. 745 00:39:10,040 --> 00:39:11,800 Speaker 2: And then this year they won fifty three games that 746 00:39:11,880 --> 00:39:14,120 Speaker 2: they were better, Their metrics were better. This year, they 747 00:39:14,120 --> 00:39:16,000 Speaker 2: were better against good teams. This year they won the 748 00:39:16,560 --> 00:39:19,200 Speaker 2: in season tournament. So like there were definitely some some 749 00:39:19,880 --> 00:39:24,400 Speaker 2: better indicators, but they were absolutely a second tier contender. 750 00:39:24,440 --> 00:39:26,799 Speaker 2: I've always kind of groups contenders into two groups. Here. 751 00:39:27,000 --> 00:39:29,239 Speaker 2: Top tier contenders are like, these are the teams that 752 00:39:29,320 --> 00:39:31,960 Speaker 2: checked all the boxes. They're awesome on both ends. They 753 00:39:32,040 --> 00:39:33,640 Speaker 2: have one of the best four or five players in 754 00:39:33,680 --> 00:39:37,240 Speaker 2: the league. They always win, you know, somewhere between fifty 755 00:39:37,239 --> 00:39:41,360 Speaker 2: eight and sixty five games. They have incredible advanced metrics. 756 00:39:41,400 --> 00:39:44,120 Speaker 2: Like these are your stereotypical top tier contenders. This year 757 00:39:44,160 --> 00:39:46,520 Speaker 2: it was San Antonio and OKCE, Like they were very 758 00:39:46,560 --> 00:39:49,320 Speaker 2: clearly those types of teams. But then in that second 759 00:39:49,320 --> 00:39:51,960 Speaker 2: group there's always like these five or six teams where 760 00:39:52,000 --> 00:39:55,120 Speaker 2: it's like if if this goes right, and if that 761 00:39:55,160 --> 00:39:59,040 Speaker 2: goes right, and if that goes right and they catch right, yeah, 762 00:39:59,080 --> 00:40:02,480 Speaker 2: and it's like you you mentioned that the injury stuff, 763 00:40:02,520 --> 00:40:04,640 Speaker 2: like og did get hurt in previous playoff runts. He 764 00:40:04,719 --> 00:40:06,799 Speaker 2: had a hamstring tweak this year, but he was able 765 00:40:06,800 --> 00:40:08,919 Speaker 2: to recover, thankfully, in large part because they were able 766 00:40:08,920 --> 00:40:11,080 Speaker 2: to sweep series so that he could get extensive amounts 767 00:40:11,120 --> 00:40:13,719 Speaker 2: of rest. Like you look at Karl Anthony Towns is 768 00:40:13,719 --> 00:40:16,480 Speaker 2: the best defensive series of his defensive playoff front of 769 00:40:16,480 --> 00:40:19,200 Speaker 2: his entire career, Jalen Brunson is, you know, the most 770 00:40:19,200 --> 00:40:21,600 Speaker 2: clutch player in the NBA. A couple of bench guys, 771 00:40:21,840 --> 00:40:24,279 Speaker 2: like at one point Andrew Shamutt literally made twenty three 772 00:40:24,320 --> 00:40:27,520 Speaker 2: out of thirty three threes. Like it's like that's insane, 773 00:40:27,600 --> 00:40:30,719 Speaker 2: you know, And then all like pretty much since February, 774 00:40:30,760 --> 00:40:33,160 Speaker 2: I had been saying, what is the Knicks path when 775 00:40:33,160 --> 00:40:35,279 Speaker 2: we would do our monthly contender rankings, that'd be like, well, 776 00:40:35,320 --> 00:40:36,919 Speaker 2: if their path is, you know, they win the East 777 00:40:36,920 --> 00:40:38,799 Speaker 2: and they get San Antonio in the finals, if they 778 00:40:38,840 --> 00:40:40,600 Speaker 2: can get san Antonio in the finals, if they can 779 00:40:40,640 --> 00:40:43,480 Speaker 2: get san Antonio in the finals. They got san Antonio 780 00:40:43,520 --> 00:40:45,120 Speaker 2: in the finals, and they were able to close the deal. 781 00:40:45,120 --> 00:40:47,960 Speaker 2: And so like I think, like you know, of all 782 00:40:48,040 --> 00:40:51,520 Speaker 2: the teams that could potentially repeat, I think the Knicks 783 00:40:51,520 --> 00:40:54,960 Speaker 2: are not super likely to repeat next year, but like 784 00:40:55,360 --> 00:40:58,320 Speaker 2: they'll certainly once again be in that second tier of contenders, 785 00:40:58,360 --> 00:41:00,160 Speaker 2: and if things go right again and they kept some 786 00:41:00,200 --> 00:41:03,320 Speaker 2: favorable matchups, they absolutely could be back. And like, that's 787 00:41:03,360 --> 00:41:05,360 Speaker 2: to me, the fun of that's that's the fun of 788 00:41:05,400 --> 00:41:07,160 Speaker 2: the NBA in this era that we're in. It's like 789 00:41:07,200 --> 00:41:09,440 Speaker 2: every year there's legitimately like seven or eight teams that 790 00:41:09,480 --> 00:41:10,200 Speaker 2: could get it done. 791 00:41:11,239 --> 00:41:14,000 Speaker 1: And I'll leave you with this, Shack and Wemby. Shack 792 00:41:14,040 --> 00:41:18,080 Speaker 1: and Wemby comparison year three in the league, first NBA Finals, 793 00:41:18,880 --> 00:41:22,320 Speaker 1: Wemby twenty six points, eleven rebounds, three points, six blocks 794 00:41:22,320 --> 00:41:25,680 Speaker 1: a game. Shack twenty eight points, twelve and a half rebounds, 795 00:41:25,719 --> 00:41:28,120 Speaker 1: two and a half blocks a game. Shack didn't make 796 00:41:28,160 --> 00:41:30,640 Speaker 1: it back to the finals until year eight, first ring 797 00:41:30,680 --> 00:41:37,560 Speaker 1: with the Lakers. It's it's you know, this is the league, man, 798 00:41:37,800 --> 00:41:42,720 Speaker 1: it's hard like. It's MJ. You know, Magic is lucky, 799 00:41:42,760 --> 00:41:46,160 Speaker 1: he inherits kareem like and the best GM in the 800 00:41:46,200 --> 00:41:49,239 Speaker 1: league get a great coach. So you kind of look 801 00:41:49,280 --> 00:41:51,680 Speaker 1: at this. And by the way, if you remember Shack 802 00:41:51,880 --> 00:41:55,359 Speaker 1: from Orland or to Los Angeles got bigger and stronger 803 00:41:55,400 --> 00:41:59,279 Speaker 1: and more powerful. So take a deep breath. Wemby will 804 00:41:59,320 --> 00:42:03,040 Speaker 1: be fine. The league is difficult, a lot of challenges, 805 00:42:03,080 --> 00:42:06,680 Speaker 1: but great stuff. We will talk. The draft is around 806 00:42:06,760 --> 00:42:10,560 Speaker 1: the corner. Jason, Jason timp hoops tonight. It's been really fun. 807 00:42:10,719 --> 00:42:12,000 Speaker 1: You've crushed it and I appreciate it. 808 00:42:12,000 --> 00:42:13,799 Speaker 2: Thanks man, looking forward to seeing you next time. 809 00:42:16,719 --> 00:42:17,320 Speaker 1: The volume