1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:05,560 Speaker 1: Now here's a highlight from Coast to Coast AM on iHeartRadio. 2 00:00:05,120 --> 00:00:07,320 Speaker 2: And I'm your host, Ryan Record filling in for George Norria. 3 00:00:07,360 --> 00:00:10,760 Speaker 2: Coast to Coast AM. Joining us this hour and next 4 00:00:11,440 --> 00:00:15,400 Speaker 2: is author and researcher Santra Champlain. She has a book. 5 00:00:15,480 --> 00:00:17,880 Speaker 2: You may have read it. It's an international bestseller, We 6 00:00:17,960 --> 00:00:22,959 Speaker 2: Don't Die, a skeptics discovery of life after Death. Do 7 00:00:23,040 --> 00:00:25,360 Speaker 2: I say good morning to you, Sandra? Do I say 8 00:00:26,560 --> 00:00:29,320 Speaker 2: happy nighttime hours with you? What's the best way to 9 00:00:29,360 --> 00:00:30,440 Speaker 2: address past? 10 00:00:30,640 --> 00:00:34,760 Speaker 3: Now? All of the absove it is one eleven am 11 00:00:34,840 --> 00:00:36,600 Speaker 3: for me on the East coast in Ryan, I have 12 00:00:36,720 --> 00:00:40,240 Speaker 3: to say congratulations. I'm so excited for you and I'm 13 00:00:40,280 --> 00:00:42,920 Speaker 3: so thrilled to be part of this tonight. 14 00:00:43,240 --> 00:00:45,199 Speaker 2: Can I tell you a little behind the scenes of 15 00:00:45,240 --> 00:00:48,600 Speaker 2: what's going on. I've been in radio for I don't 16 00:00:48,600 --> 00:00:52,440 Speaker 2: know twenty years now, and I thought I'm never going 17 00:00:52,479 --> 00:00:55,480 Speaker 2: to get nervous. I've done so many different, weird and 18 00:00:55,560 --> 00:00:58,800 Speaker 2: wild things in radio that your nerves go away. But 19 00:00:58,920 --> 00:01:02,920 Speaker 2: as soon as the music kicked in at the top 20 00:01:02,960 --> 00:01:07,319 Speaker 2: of the show, instantly I felt the butterflies. Because Coast 21 00:01:07,400 --> 00:01:11,400 Speaker 2: to Coast AM is a nighttime institution. You think about 22 00:01:11,440 --> 00:01:14,520 Speaker 2: all the memories you have with our Bell and George Nori, 23 00:01:14,760 --> 00:01:18,119 Speaker 2: and all of it just floods right into the forefront 24 00:01:18,600 --> 00:01:21,199 Speaker 2: and all of a sudden, and that's you. The show 25 00:01:21,319 --> 00:01:25,679 Speaker 2: you listen to, you are on that show, and it 26 00:01:25,760 --> 00:01:27,680 Speaker 2: was just an amazing feeling. So thank you for the 27 00:01:27,760 --> 00:01:29,080 Speaker 2: kind word, Sandra. I appreciate that. 28 00:01:29,160 --> 00:01:32,080 Speaker 3: You're welcome and keep it real. I'm gonna be up 29 00:01:32,080 --> 00:01:34,840 Speaker 3: for that. You're up for that. And people say that 30 00:01:35,440 --> 00:01:38,520 Speaker 3: nerves feel the same way as excitement, so I've got 31 00:01:38,680 --> 00:01:41,959 Speaker 3: the butterflies too, So we will just put it all 32 00:01:41,959 --> 00:01:44,000 Speaker 3: together as a ton of excitement. 33 00:01:44,600 --> 00:01:47,000 Speaker 2: And this is one of my flaws as a broadcaster. 34 00:01:47,160 --> 00:01:51,160 Speaker 2: Sometimes my questions are a little blunt. But I'm just 35 00:01:51,240 --> 00:01:54,880 Speaker 2: gonna ask him anyway, because Okay, I'm curious, and I 36 00:01:54,880 --> 00:01:58,160 Speaker 2: think when it comes to the afterlife and the impressions 37 00:01:58,200 --> 00:02:02,520 Speaker 2: of it, a lot of people understand how Hollywood portrays it, 38 00:02:03,080 --> 00:02:06,880 Speaker 2: and a lot of people understand how fairy tales portray it. 39 00:02:06,960 --> 00:02:10,640 Speaker 2: And sometimes people have their own impressions without having their 40 00:02:10,639 --> 00:02:13,800 Speaker 2: own experience. And you're someone that has a before and 41 00:02:13,880 --> 00:02:18,679 Speaker 2: after experience, someone that has an understanding of it without 42 00:02:18,760 --> 00:02:21,880 Speaker 2: having an experience. Then you're someone that has an experience 43 00:02:21,880 --> 00:02:23,839 Speaker 2: and has a different understanding of it. So I want 44 00:02:23,840 --> 00:02:26,560 Speaker 2: to talk to you about the before. What was the 45 00:02:26,600 --> 00:02:31,160 Speaker 2: afterlife like to you, your impression of it prior to 46 00:02:31,200 --> 00:02:35,000 Speaker 2: having in experience, prior to now. 47 00:02:35,000 --> 00:02:37,200 Speaker 3: I haven't had a near death experience, but I've had 48 00:02:37,240 --> 00:02:40,280 Speaker 3: a bunch of different things, And of course all the 49 00:02:40,280 --> 00:02:45,120 Speaker 3: research I've done well over twenty five years was beforehand. 50 00:02:45,240 --> 00:02:49,399 Speaker 3: I was raised Roman Catholic. We went to church every Sunday, 51 00:02:50,320 --> 00:02:53,960 Speaker 3: but personally I never found my own spirituality, so it 52 00:02:54,000 --> 00:02:58,680 Speaker 3: was just something good Catholics do, right, And I developed 53 00:02:58,720 --> 00:03:03,040 Speaker 3: a huge fear of dying that made me really start 54 00:03:03,200 --> 00:03:09,200 Speaker 3: questioning it. So I had a hope that the afterlife 55 00:03:09,320 --> 00:03:12,000 Speaker 3: was real and that there was a place called Heaven 56 00:03:13,080 --> 00:03:15,960 Speaker 3: and that we'd see our loved ones again. But I 57 00:03:16,120 --> 00:03:23,120 Speaker 3: had absolutely no evidence of that. And I don't know why, Ryan, 58 00:03:23,680 --> 00:03:26,600 Speaker 3: but it was somewhere in the mid nineties where all 59 00:03:26,600 --> 00:03:28,800 Speaker 3: of a sudden it hit me, you know, who am I? 60 00:03:29,480 --> 00:03:32,360 Speaker 3: What is my life about? What happens when we die? 61 00:03:32,760 --> 00:03:35,960 Speaker 3: Do we go on? And now I'm understanding it is 62 00:03:36,040 --> 00:03:38,600 Speaker 3: that ego mind that we all have that doesn't want 63 00:03:38,640 --> 00:03:42,600 Speaker 3: to die, but at the time, it was an incredible 64 00:03:43,240 --> 00:03:47,800 Speaker 3: fear of dying that my before story that got me 65 00:03:47,960 --> 00:03:49,720 Speaker 3: on this search. I couldn't even go to bed at 66 00:03:49,800 --> 00:03:53,080 Speaker 3: night without thinking what would happen if I died. You know, 67 00:03:53,960 --> 00:03:58,360 Speaker 3: anyone who's experienced fear, it's brutal, especially fear of dying. 68 00:03:59,080 --> 00:04:02,920 Speaker 2: Well, you searched and you wanted to learn more. It 69 00:04:02,960 --> 00:04:06,800 Speaker 2: was on your mind. Do you feel, as a Catholic 70 00:04:07,240 --> 00:04:09,880 Speaker 2: and someone that was searching that it could have been 71 00:04:09,880 --> 00:04:13,440 Speaker 2: a little divine intervention. You were praying in you wanted 72 00:04:13,480 --> 00:04:17,159 Speaker 2: to have this revealed to you, and then one day 73 00:04:17,720 --> 00:04:19,640 Speaker 2: you started to see some of it reveal to you. 74 00:04:19,640 --> 00:04:21,320 Speaker 2: You have your own personal experience. 75 00:04:22,920 --> 00:04:26,880 Speaker 3: I don't think I ever prayed about it, I hope 76 00:04:28,279 --> 00:04:31,680 Speaker 3: because I didn't have that faith. I wish I did, 77 00:04:32,200 --> 00:04:34,640 Speaker 3: But growing up into a religion, it was just like, 78 00:04:34,880 --> 00:04:38,000 Speaker 3: you believe what you're told, and I think every human 79 00:04:38,080 --> 00:04:40,680 Speaker 3: being will have a time in their life and this 80 00:04:40,839 --> 00:04:46,599 Speaker 3: is good where we start looking for the truth. For me, 81 00:04:47,360 --> 00:04:52,680 Speaker 3: right now, looking back, I see absolutely it was divine 82 00:04:52,720 --> 00:04:57,960 Speaker 3: intervention because take someone who was a skeptic. Now, I 83 00:04:58,000 --> 00:05:01,200 Speaker 3: didn't believe in any of this world. Really, you know, 84 00:05:01,320 --> 00:05:04,240 Speaker 3: I wanted to believe. Like I said, I was raised Catholic, 85 00:05:04,600 --> 00:05:08,760 Speaker 3: but I didn't have that real belief. My parents both 86 00:05:08,880 --> 00:05:11,680 Speaker 3: great people, but we were raised you have to see 87 00:05:11,680 --> 00:05:16,440 Speaker 3: it to believe it. So now here I am, all 88 00:05:16,480 --> 00:05:21,599 Speaker 3: these years later. You pick somebody and we'll say this 89 00:05:21,760 --> 00:05:25,839 Speaker 3: was divine invention. You pick somebody who'd never really bought 90 00:05:25,839 --> 00:05:29,360 Speaker 3: into all this. You give her a huge fear of dying, 91 00:05:29,480 --> 00:05:32,640 Speaker 3: which forces her to go on a search for evidence 92 00:05:32,680 --> 00:05:36,960 Speaker 3: of the afterlife, and she tears through everything she can 93 00:05:37,000 --> 00:05:40,520 Speaker 3: find and has every personal experience she can find, and 94 00:05:40,560 --> 00:05:43,680 Speaker 3: then at one day it hits her through things I'll 95 00:05:43,720 --> 00:05:48,760 Speaker 3: tell you about tonight. And then I'm left with, Okay, 96 00:05:48,920 --> 00:05:51,200 Speaker 3: do I keep this to myself or do I share 97 00:05:51,240 --> 00:05:54,640 Speaker 3: it with other people? But the fear in me thought, 98 00:05:54,720 --> 00:05:57,160 Speaker 3: I'm going to lose friends and family members if they 99 00:05:57,240 --> 00:06:01,240 Speaker 3: find out I'm researching the paranormal in the afterlife, And 100 00:06:01,320 --> 00:06:05,320 Speaker 3: so I kept it quiet. And then divine intervention. Maybe 101 00:06:05,440 --> 00:06:08,839 Speaker 3: my dad gets sick with cancer and he dies and 102 00:06:08,960 --> 00:06:14,039 Speaker 3: the grief ripped apart the relationships with my siblings. We 103 00:06:14,080 --> 00:06:18,200 Speaker 3: hear about that often when a parent dies. I go 104 00:06:18,240 --> 00:06:21,160 Speaker 3: on a quest to understand what grief is, Why does 105 00:06:21,200 --> 00:06:24,039 Speaker 3: it have to hurt so bad? Why would good people 106 00:06:24,560 --> 00:06:28,840 Speaker 3: turn into such crazies and fight? And then I get 107 00:06:28,880 --> 00:06:31,400 Speaker 3: an understanding of what grief is. I find out our 108 00:06:31,680 --> 00:06:35,800 Speaker 3: biology changes and we have a loss of neurotransmitters and 109 00:06:35,839 --> 00:06:38,920 Speaker 3: all kinds of things. So I get answers for myself, 110 00:06:40,240 --> 00:06:43,599 Speaker 3: and then all of a sudden, I feel that I 111 00:06:43,640 --> 00:06:47,839 Speaker 3: have a moral responsibility to share these words. And looking back, 112 00:06:48,160 --> 00:06:51,240 Speaker 3: people came into my life at just the right time, 113 00:06:51,760 --> 00:06:55,800 Speaker 3: even meeting a publisher me pitching the story for my book. 114 00:06:56,240 --> 00:07:00,640 Speaker 3: I'd never written anything before talk about fear. Where I 115 00:07:00,680 --> 00:07:06,160 Speaker 3: am today not only having shades of the afterlife, but 116 00:07:06,279 --> 00:07:11,040 Speaker 3: my first podcast is still out there on YouTube called 117 00:07:11,080 --> 00:07:15,480 Speaker 3: We Don't Die, interviewing people about reasons to believe in 118 00:07:15,520 --> 00:07:18,640 Speaker 3: the afterlife. And so while I'm speaking with you right now, Ryan, 119 00:07:19,280 --> 00:07:24,160 Speaker 3: I have combined seven hundred and thirty one unique episodes 120 00:07:24,760 --> 00:07:27,880 Speaker 3: of reasons to believe in the afterlife, each with a 121 00:07:27,920 --> 00:07:33,520 Speaker 3: foundation of how to survive grief and that we are 122 00:07:33,600 --> 00:07:36,640 Speaker 3: so much more than our bodies, and how to live 123 00:07:36,680 --> 00:07:40,080 Speaker 3: a powerful life. So back then, if you were going 124 00:07:40,160 --> 00:07:42,520 Speaker 3: to ask me if it was divine intervention, I would 125 00:07:42,520 --> 00:07:45,880 Speaker 3: say no. Now, one hundred percent. 126 00:07:46,560 --> 00:07:52,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's such a strange thing that sometimes the right 127 00:07:52,160 --> 00:07:54,960 Speaker 2: thing happens at the right time, and that happens in 128 00:07:55,040 --> 00:07:58,760 Speaker 2: so many different people's lives. And then sometimes something can 129 00:07:58,840 --> 00:08:02,760 Speaker 2: change in you that you never thought would change, and 130 00:08:02,840 --> 00:08:07,200 Speaker 2: you realize that changes for the better. And there's other 131 00:08:07,360 --> 00:08:10,600 Speaker 2: things moving in this world that makes that happen, that 132 00:08:11,040 --> 00:08:13,640 Speaker 2: makes it more than a coincidence. And one of the 133 00:08:13,680 --> 00:08:16,320 Speaker 2: interesting things you said there, you see some of the 134 00:08:16,360 --> 00:08:19,360 Speaker 2: common trends when a loved one dies, a family member, 135 00:08:19,360 --> 00:08:24,200 Speaker 2: a parent, whatever it may be, that sometimes people grab 136 00:08:24,280 --> 00:08:27,600 Speaker 2: on to things like this as a coping mechanism, and 137 00:08:27,680 --> 00:08:30,160 Speaker 2: it's looked at in the way Hollywood looks at it. 138 00:08:30,520 --> 00:08:34,679 Speaker 2: So you're someone that wanted to hear stories and find evidence, 139 00:08:35,480 --> 00:08:38,840 Speaker 2: look at common trends, look at this in a scientific way. 140 00:08:39,240 --> 00:08:42,120 Speaker 2: Your approach to it's a little bit different, but it 141 00:08:42,160 --> 00:08:45,960 Speaker 2: also had some of the same byproducts of coping mechanisms 142 00:08:46,000 --> 00:08:48,079 Speaker 2: to try to help you get through some of these 143 00:08:48,080 --> 00:08:49,480 Speaker 2: tough times. That's what it sounds like. 144 00:08:50,679 --> 00:08:55,000 Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely true, and nothing against Hollywood, but they're trying 145 00:08:55,040 --> 00:08:59,000 Speaker 3: to sell movies right exactly good things there as well. 146 00:08:59,440 --> 00:09:02,920 Speaker 3: And I did approach it very you know, I was 147 00:09:02,960 --> 00:09:07,800 Speaker 3: a skeptic for sure. So I wanted the more credible evidence, 148 00:09:07,920 --> 00:09:13,079 Speaker 3: the verifiable evidence, But I also wanted my own experiences 149 00:09:13,800 --> 00:09:17,240 Speaker 3: because there's a lot of people that talk some great things, 150 00:09:17,280 --> 00:09:20,920 Speaker 3: but I think us human beings, when we can have 151 00:09:20,960 --> 00:09:24,720 Speaker 3: an experience of our own, we can't deny it. 152 00:09:26,520 --> 00:09:30,199 Speaker 2: When you've interviewed a lot of people for your podcast, 153 00:09:30,240 --> 00:09:32,720 Speaker 2: but just in general, I know you've talked to a 154 00:09:32,720 --> 00:09:35,760 Speaker 2: lot of different people. What are some of the common 155 00:09:36,160 --> 00:09:38,600 Speaker 2: things that you start to hear some of the common 156 00:09:38,679 --> 00:09:43,679 Speaker 2: experiences that independently happen with different people, But as soon 157 00:09:43,679 --> 00:09:46,160 Speaker 2: as you hear someone mention it, you say, oh, yeah, 158 00:09:46,200 --> 00:09:48,719 Speaker 2: that's common. They don't know what's common. But what are 159 00:09:48,720 --> 00:09:51,599 Speaker 2: some of the things that you've noticed as common threads? 160 00:09:52,280 --> 00:09:55,719 Speaker 3: Sure, well, we'll talk about near death experiences because that 161 00:09:55,920 --> 00:10:01,559 Speaker 3: is always a listener's favorite. A firm believer that our 162 00:10:01,760 --> 00:10:05,640 Speaker 3: consciousness survives death, and there's ways we can know that 163 00:10:05,760 --> 00:10:09,760 Speaker 3: and get into that, things like remote viewing and other things. 164 00:10:10,360 --> 00:10:14,160 Speaker 3: The commonalities that I hear, and it might be somebody's 165 00:10:14,160 --> 00:10:19,360 Speaker 3: first time sharing their near death experience, but there's things 166 00:10:19,480 --> 00:10:26,120 Speaker 3: like feeling a light, feeling a tunnel, this feeling often 167 00:10:26,240 --> 00:10:31,880 Speaker 3: of floating above the body, looking down, realizing, hey, I'm 168 00:10:33,160 --> 00:10:38,000 Speaker 3: that meat sack down there, going to the light, feeling 169 00:10:39,040 --> 00:10:41,920 Speaker 3: what they called the brightest light they've ever experienced, but 170 00:10:41,960 --> 00:10:45,040 Speaker 3: it doesn't burn the eyes, having three hundred and sixty 171 00:10:45,240 --> 00:10:53,280 Speaker 3: degree awareness, being greeted by the most incredible feeling of love, 172 00:10:54,280 --> 00:10:59,040 Speaker 3: unconditional love. They cannot even put it into words. Many 173 00:10:59,120 --> 00:11:04,360 Speaker 3: people experience Jesus. Some people describe someone who might look 174 00:11:04,400 --> 00:11:09,200 Speaker 3: like among children describe just this very bright sun with 175 00:11:09,280 --> 00:11:13,560 Speaker 3: a smile. No things like that. There have been atheists 176 00:11:13,720 --> 00:11:16,760 Speaker 3: who never believed who either will see a religious figure 177 00:11:17,400 --> 00:11:21,200 Speaker 3: or have that like a guide show up, something like that. 178 00:11:21,920 --> 00:11:26,920 Speaker 3: There's a life review. People get to experience in different ways. 179 00:11:27,000 --> 00:11:30,840 Speaker 3: I've heard different stories for this, segments of their life 180 00:11:31,160 --> 00:11:35,000 Speaker 3: and looking at their life not from an outsider's point 181 00:11:35,000 --> 00:11:37,840 Speaker 3: of view, but from an insider's point of view, but 182 00:11:37,960 --> 00:11:40,240 Speaker 3: not from your point of view. Ryan, It's from the 183 00:11:40,240 --> 00:11:44,040 Speaker 3: point of view of the people you impacted throughout your life. 184 00:11:44,080 --> 00:11:47,679 Speaker 3: It's not a make wrong situation. There's no judgment here, 185 00:11:48,280 --> 00:11:53,600 Speaker 3: but you look to see how your actions impacted other people. 186 00:11:54,120 --> 00:11:57,280 Speaker 3: So if you hurt someone's feelings, you'll feel that. So 187 00:11:57,960 --> 00:12:01,400 Speaker 3: one thing they do is they go through this rather 188 00:12:01,679 --> 00:12:03,720 Speaker 3: like the negative things are the things they could have 189 00:12:03,760 --> 00:12:07,400 Speaker 3: done better. And then they go through the life review 190 00:12:08,160 --> 00:12:11,800 Speaker 3: the ripple effect of their good actions, so they get 191 00:12:11,840 --> 00:12:18,440 Speaker 3: to see how far their words and their actions spread. Also, 192 00:12:18,880 --> 00:12:23,800 Speaker 3: they experience being with their loved ones very often after 193 00:12:23,960 --> 00:12:28,040 Speaker 3: meeting that guide or Jesus, whoever that might be, that light, 194 00:12:29,400 --> 00:12:32,920 Speaker 3: their pets, their relatives, they're all there to meet them. 195 00:12:33,080 --> 00:12:37,439 Speaker 3: You know, it's like crossing a finish line, and the 196 00:12:37,480 --> 00:12:41,680 Speaker 3: applause is there. Some people even say that there's a 197 00:12:41,679 --> 00:12:45,600 Speaker 3: parade for them. Everyone's looking healthy and well, there's a 198 00:12:45,640 --> 00:12:51,240 Speaker 3: beautiful reunion. And more often than not, obviously because people 199 00:12:51,320 --> 00:12:54,560 Speaker 3: come back it's a near death experience, they come back, 200 00:12:54,640 --> 00:13:01,000 Speaker 3: they feel hold to come back here too. My job 201 00:13:01,040 --> 00:13:03,840 Speaker 3: prior to COVID was I was a chef for race 202 00:13:03,920 --> 00:13:07,160 Speaker 3: car teams. That was my employment for over thirty years. 203 00:13:07,880 --> 00:13:09,920 Speaker 3: My mom and I owned a catering business, and one 204 00:13:09,920 --> 00:13:12,959 Speaker 3: of the race car drivers that I spoke with had 205 00:13:13,000 --> 00:13:16,000 Speaker 3: never shared his near death experience with anyone, but because 206 00:13:16,040 --> 00:13:18,360 Speaker 3: I had published the book, he thought he would tell 207 00:13:18,400 --> 00:13:23,040 Speaker 3: me that. He said he witnessed his mom and dad 208 00:13:23,320 --> 00:13:26,760 Speaker 3: and brother praying by his bedside. He had been in 209 00:13:26,800 --> 00:13:31,880 Speaker 3: a coma, and he also was with his grandparents who 210 00:13:31,920 --> 00:13:35,160 Speaker 3: were deceased in this most beautiful world, and he had 211 00:13:35,200 --> 00:13:39,040 Speaker 3: the choice go with Grandma and grandpa or stay on earth, 212 00:13:39,120 --> 00:13:41,600 Speaker 3: and he just saw the suffering of his family. He 213 00:13:41,679 --> 00:13:44,800 Speaker 3: decided to come back. But when he did, of course, 214 00:13:44,840 --> 00:13:46,440 Speaker 3: he awoke and his body was in a lot of 215 00:13:46,440 --> 00:13:51,319 Speaker 3: pain after being in a car crash. But having that experience, 216 00:13:51,440 --> 00:13:55,439 Speaker 3: he realized that we go on that if we don't 217 00:13:55,760 --> 00:13:59,000 Speaker 3: fear dying, we don't have to fear living. So I 218 00:13:59,040 --> 00:14:01,480 Speaker 3: won't mention his name, but he went on to be 219 00:14:01,520 --> 00:14:04,839 Speaker 3: a very successful, famous race car driver, and he told 220 00:14:04,880 --> 00:14:08,160 Speaker 3: me that he could put his foot on the pedal 221 00:14:09,400 --> 00:14:12,280 Speaker 3: as far as could be and race and you take 222 00:14:12,320 --> 00:14:16,160 Speaker 3: those corners real quickly, et cetera. Because he said it, 223 00:14:16,200 --> 00:14:18,880 Speaker 3: without the fear of dying, there is no fear of living. 224 00:14:19,400 --> 00:14:23,480 Speaker 3: And so my hope is through all these commonalities that 225 00:14:23,880 --> 00:14:26,480 Speaker 3: we don't have to have a near death experience because 226 00:14:27,240 --> 00:14:30,720 Speaker 3: ninety nine percent of the time they're very painful, but 227 00:14:30,840 --> 00:14:33,960 Speaker 3: we can learn these lessons about life and the afterlife 228 00:14:33,960 --> 00:14:38,160 Speaker 3: and how to live life and make a difference with others. 229 00:14:38,440 --> 00:14:41,240 Speaker 2: Well, Sandra, you mentioned the term meat sack. I don't 230 00:14:41,240 --> 00:14:44,320 Speaker 2: know if that's a technical term, but I think that 231 00:14:44,600 --> 00:14:48,400 Speaker 2: perhaps we should bring that into the medical world. I 232 00:14:48,480 --> 00:14:50,640 Speaker 2: like the way you said that is the opposite true 233 00:14:50,640 --> 00:14:53,200 Speaker 2: and near death experiences. Have you ever heard from people 234 00:14:53,280 --> 00:14:56,320 Speaker 2: who said, Okay, it wasn't light, it was something a 235 00:14:56,320 --> 00:14:59,000 Speaker 2: lot worse and I got to change my life. 236 00:15:00,200 --> 00:15:04,920 Speaker 3: Yes, there are times where people And then there was 237 00:15:04,960 --> 00:15:06,760 Speaker 3: a doctor. I can't remember his name off the top 238 00:15:06,760 --> 00:15:08,880 Speaker 3: of my head. I know he's been on coast to coast, 239 00:15:09,200 --> 00:15:12,600 Speaker 3: but he said he was living all for money. He 240 00:15:12,720 --> 00:15:17,360 Speaker 3: had ten cars, a big mansion. He was an anesthesiologist, 241 00:15:17,440 --> 00:15:20,120 Speaker 3: and he said when he put people under, he said 242 00:15:20,240 --> 00:15:23,320 Speaker 3: he didn't care they were just yeah, neat sex. I 243 00:15:23,320 --> 00:15:25,920 Speaker 3: don't know where that came from. I just invented that tonight. 244 00:15:26,320 --> 00:15:30,240 Speaker 3: But anyways, when he had his near death experience, he 245 00:15:30,520 --> 00:15:36,040 Speaker 3: was I believe Hindu by faith, and his near death 246 00:15:36,080 --> 00:15:41,040 Speaker 3: experience was one of fear and terror. And he said 247 00:15:41,080 --> 00:15:45,680 Speaker 3: he'd really never found faith or really believed, but he 248 00:15:45,800 --> 00:15:49,640 Speaker 3: saw a pinprick of light and he decided to pray, 249 00:15:50,120 --> 00:15:52,680 Speaker 3: and he prayed and prayed, and the light bigger and bigger. 250 00:15:53,560 --> 00:15:58,960 Speaker 3: Jesus was there. Imagine that surprise, right, And he went 251 00:15:59,000 --> 00:16:03,280 Speaker 3: through his life life review and he had a total 252 00:16:03,400 --> 00:16:07,160 Speaker 3: one to eighty change of view of life. He came 253 00:16:07,240 --> 00:16:12,280 Speaker 3: back and instead of putting people to sleep as an anesthesiologist, 254 00:16:12,400 --> 00:16:14,600 Speaker 3: he chose to wake people up as to who we 255 00:16:14,720 --> 00:16:20,920 Speaker 3: really are. So these are transformative experiences that make people 256 00:16:21,080 --> 00:16:25,240 Speaker 3: have their life about being of service, about spreading the truth. 257 00:16:25,840 --> 00:16:29,480 Speaker 3: These people have no fear of death anymore. So there 258 00:16:29,520 --> 00:16:32,680 Speaker 3: are those stories even people who some people who have 259 00:16:32,760 --> 00:16:35,520 Speaker 3: tried to take their own lives that I've spoken to, 260 00:16:36,200 --> 00:16:38,240 Speaker 3: it was almost like a wake up call, having that 261 00:16:38,360 --> 00:16:41,800 Speaker 3: scary experience of it's not your time. You know, you 262 00:16:41,880 --> 00:16:45,680 Speaker 3: have a life to live. I don't personally believe or 263 00:16:45,720 --> 00:16:49,360 Speaker 3: buy into that there's a hell that we go to 264 00:16:49,480 --> 00:16:52,280 Speaker 3: and that we're judged if people believe in that, I 265 00:16:52,280 --> 00:16:55,280 Speaker 3: don't take away anybody's values or beliefs. This is just 266 00:16:55,320 --> 00:16:58,360 Speaker 3: for me personally. I believe the hardest place we're ever 267 00:16:58,400 --> 00:17:01,160 Speaker 3: going to have to live and deal with is right 268 00:17:01,200 --> 00:17:03,840 Speaker 3: here on earth. And as witness to what's going on 269 00:17:03,840 --> 00:17:07,840 Speaker 3: on this planet, you know this is hell, but there 270 00:17:07,880 --> 00:17:11,720 Speaker 3: can be those moments of heaven, and one hundred percent 271 00:17:11,840 --> 00:17:14,520 Speaker 3: I believe we close our eyes, we open them again, 272 00:17:14,960 --> 00:17:16,840 Speaker 3: and our loved ones are there, and we go on 273 00:17:17,240 --> 00:17:18,520 Speaker 3: and we see a bigger picture. 274 00:17:19,040 --> 00:17:22,320 Speaker 1: Listen to more Coast to Coast AM every weeknight at 275 00:17:22,359 --> 00:17:25,200 Speaker 1: one a m. Eastern and go to Coast to coastam 276 00:17:25,320 --> 00:17:26,440 Speaker 1: dot com for more