1 00:00:02,759 --> 00:00:05,640 Speaker 1: You're listening to Ron and Nanian The Car Doctor, nationally 2 00:00:05,680 --> 00:00:09,240 Speaker 1: recognized auto expert trusted by Mechanics, Weekend wrenchers and vehicle 3 00:00:09,240 --> 00:00:12,280 Speaker 1: owners alike. Ron brings over forty years of hands on 4 00:00:12,360 --> 00:00:15,560 Speaker 1: experience and deep industry insight to help you understand your vehicle. 5 00:00:16,160 --> 00:00:19,160 Speaker 1: Join The Conversation live every Saturday from two to four 6 00:00:19,200 --> 00:00:21,759 Speaker 1: pm Eastern by calling eight five to five five six 7 00:00:21,880 --> 00:00:24,919 Speaker 1: zero nine nine zero zero. That's a five to five 8 00:00:25,079 --> 00:00:28,320 Speaker 1: five six zero ninety nine hundred, your direct line to 9 00:00:28,400 --> 00:00:33,440 Speaker 1: honest answers and practical advice. 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This goes 41 00:01:53,600 --> 00:01:56,240 Speaker 2: out as a radio show, as a broadcast to our 42 00:01:56,240 --> 00:02:00,040 Speaker 2: two hundred and plus affiliates, and then from there it 43 00:02:00,200 --> 00:02:02,360 Speaker 2: was a podcast courtesy of I Heart iHeart sends it 44 00:02:02,400 --> 00:02:05,919 Speaker 2: out you know, an Apple, Amazon, Google, all the usual 45 00:02:05,920 --> 00:02:08,799 Speaker 2: places wherever you're getting your your podcast from. You can 46 00:02:08,840 --> 00:02:12,440 Speaker 2: just search Ron Andanian the Car Doctor and you will 47 00:02:12,440 --> 00:02:14,840 Speaker 2: find it there as well. So you can podcast this 48 00:02:14,919 --> 00:02:17,200 Speaker 2: show and take us with you wherever you want us 49 00:02:17,200 --> 00:02:19,040 Speaker 2: to be. Let's go up to Steve. That's where I 50 00:02:19,080 --> 00:02:21,280 Speaker 2: want to be in Massachusetts? Is that mass or mean? 51 00:02:21,960 --> 00:02:24,200 Speaker 2: And no, it's Massachusetts, Massachusetts. 52 00:02:24,320 --> 00:02:24,960 Speaker 3: Are you good, sir? 53 00:02:25,000 --> 00:02:28,360 Speaker 2: What's going on? Twenty twenty three Ford F one fifty 54 00:02:28,520 --> 00:02:31,160 Speaker 2: a two wheel drive truck in Massachusetts. 55 00:02:31,560 --> 00:02:34,480 Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm one who likes two wheel drive because I 56 00:02:34,520 --> 00:02:36,000 Speaker 4: get more truck for the money. 57 00:02:36,160 --> 00:02:36,720 Speaker 2: Gotcha. 58 00:02:36,800 --> 00:02:39,480 Speaker 4: And if it snows four or five times a year, 59 00:02:39,520 --> 00:02:42,639 Speaker 4: I just don't go out twenty four hours the street's fine. 60 00:02:43,560 --> 00:02:45,440 Speaker 2: An argument there, fair point, yes, sir. 61 00:02:46,240 --> 00:02:49,480 Speaker 4: So my question is I only have forty two thousand 62 00:02:49,560 --> 00:02:53,560 Speaker 4: miles on it and the Cadillac convert the light well, 63 00:02:54,080 --> 00:02:56,680 Speaker 4: you know, a dashlight came on and I went to 64 00:02:56,800 --> 00:03:00,720 Speaker 4: my local garage and they diagnosed it. It's the Cadillac 65 00:03:00,760 --> 00:03:07,720 Speaker 4: Canbruta light sensor, and he advised me to go to 66 00:03:07,880 --> 00:03:11,200 Speaker 4: like an auto pots or you know, auto palace whatever 67 00:03:11,639 --> 00:03:16,320 Speaker 4: and get an additive that's called cat CII T and 68 00:03:16,360 --> 00:03:19,200 Speaker 4: it's supposed to clean things out. So I did that 69 00:03:19,639 --> 00:03:23,440 Speaker 4: and the light continues to stay on. Okay, So the 70 00:03:23,600 --> 00:03:26,680 Speaker 4: question to you is, yeah, what can what can I do? 71 00:03:27,200 --> 00:03:32,359 Speaker 2: Well, there's there are issues known issues with that particular 72 00:03:32,440 --> 00:03:36,320 Speaker 2: vehicle with catalytic converters. Forward's aware of it. They've got problems. 73 00:03:36,920 --> 00:03:39,119 Speaker 2: To be honest with you, this vehicle is less than 74 00:03:39,120 --> 00:03:41,920 Speaker 2: five years old. You want to get your hands on, 75 00:03:42,160 --> 00:03:44,160 Speaker 2: go take a look at or you know, maybe you 76 00:03:44,240 --> 00:03:47,280 Speaker 2: even got the letter, but there is an emissions letter 77 00:03:47,280 --> 00:03:49,760 Speaker 2: out there dated December of twenty twenty four. Actually I 78 00:03:49,800 --> 00:03:52,280 Speaker 2: think it went to the dealers, but I do know 79 00:03:52,320 --> 00:03:55,080 Speaker 2: the emission recall was a mission recall twenty four DASH 80 00:03:55,360 --> 00:03:59,560 Speaker 2: I'm sorry, twenty four Edward zero eight, which talked about 81 00:03:59,560 --> 00:04:04,440 Speaker 2: catalytic converter problems. And regardless, this vehicle is less than 82 00:04:04,480 --> 00:04:06,080 Speaker 2: five years old. What is it three years old? 83 00:04:06,160 --> 00:04:06,360 Speaker 3: Now? 84 00:04:06,960 --> 00:04:07,200 Speaker 2: Yeah? 85 00:04:07,280 --> 00:04:07,680 Speaker 4: Correct? 86 00:04:08,040 --> 00:04:11,080 Speaker 2: You know catalytic converters should be a five and fifty 87 00:04:11,160 --> 00:04:13,840 Speaker 2: or a five and sixty thousand mile item. So I 88 00:04:13,840 --> 00:04:17,640 Speaker 2: believe your code under federal emissions warranty and you were 89 00:04:18,279 --> 00:04:21,279 Speaker 2: an old likelihood going to get a replacement cat because 90 00:04:21,360 --> 00:04:24,240 Speaker 2: this is very common on these vehicles and it will 91 00:04:24,279 --> 00:04:26,320 Speaker 2: be painful. I'm going to tell you what's going to happen. 92 00:04:26,320 --> 00:04:29,760 Speaker 2: It's it's going to be painful, Steve in that they're 93 00:04:29,839 --> 00:04:32,600 Speaker 2: going to dance around, and they may try software, they 94 00:04:32,640 --> 00:04:36,320 Speaker 2: may try some cleaner like you did. They may just 95 00:04:36,880 --> 00:04:38,520 Speaker 2: fess up and put cats on it. But I have 96 00:04:38,600 --> 00:04:42,200 Speaker 2: seen this become a real problem certain generation Fords, and 97 00:04:42,240 --> 00:04:44,480 Speaker 2: this is one of them. And I can honestly say, 98 00:04:44,640 --> 00:04:47,039 Speaker 2: as of right now, I have not found an aftermarket 99 00:04:47,120 --> 00:04:51,159 Speaker 2: cat that works in these We've seen a few, we 100 00:04:51,240 --> 00:04:53,960 Speaker 2: have not done any yet, but we're seeing people do 101 00:04:54,080 --> 00:04:56,800 Speaker 2: after market cats and not realizing they're under warranty, and 102 00:04:56,800 --> 00:04:58,080 Speaker 2: then they go back to Ford and then they have 103 00:04:58,080 --> 00:05:00,120 Speaker 2: to pay for you know, new cats out of for 104 00:05:00,160 --> 00:05:01,800 Speaker 2: it because the Ford doesn't have old ones to give 105 00:05:01,839 --> 00:05:03,320 Speaker 2: them back, et cetera, et cetera. 106 00:05:04,160 --> 00:05:06,600 Speaker 4: I did do a little research. I did call where 107 00:05:06,640 --> 00:05:09,560 Speaker 4: I bought I bought it from a dealer for a dealer. 108 00:05:10,080 --> 00:05:12,560 Speaker 4: I called them and the gentleman, I do have an 109 00:05:12,560 --> 00:05:16,719 Speaker 4: appointment for Tuesday, this coming Tuesday, But there they were 110 00:05:16,760 --> 00:05:20,080 Speaker 4: telling me that because the truck has less than eighty 111 00:05:20,120 --> 00:05:28,240 Speaker 4: thousand miles, I fall under this federal reimburrassement program that 112 00:05:28,520 --> 00:05:32,200 Speaker 4: if it is indeed the Cadillac converted, they will they 113 00:05:32,240 --> 00:05:34,559 Speaker 4: will change it. But they never told me who pays 114 00:05:34,600 --> 00:05:36,960 Speaker 4: the money up front? They will I pay the money 115 00:05:37,040 --> 00:05:38,200 Speaker 4: up front, And I wait. 116 00:05:38,279 --> 00:05:40,880 Speaker 2: No, it's it's it's it's a warranty item. This is 117 00:05:41,080 --> 00:05:43,799 Speaker 2: so they're saying the cat is eight eighty. They're saying 118 00:05:43,800 --> 00:05:45,960 Speaker 2: the cat is eight years eighty thousand miles, which is 119 00:05:46,000 --> 00:05:48,640 Speaker 2: the other side of this. So yeah, he's. 120 00:05:48,440 --> 00:05:51,039 Speaker 4: Saying, because I fall under this federal. 121 00:05:50,600 --> 00:05:56,799 Speaker 2: Guideline, everybody, every everybody, everybody's vehicle. I say, ninety percent 122 00:05:56,800 --> 00:05:59,919 Speaker 2: of the vehicles out there are an eight eighty uncertain 123 00:06:00,040 --> 00:06:03,000 Speaker 2: mission components, and I guess this particular one falls under 124 00:06:03,000 --> 00:06:06,200 Speaker 2: it with catalytic converters. So that's not that's not a 125 00:06:06,240 --> 00:06:08,919 Speaker 2: bad thing. Go go to the dealership, get on file. 126 00:06:09,560 --> 00:06:11,479 Speaker 2: Uh is the check engine light still on? 127 00:06:12,480 --> 00:06:14,839 Speaker 4: Yeah, the check engine light. There was a time when 128 00:06:14,839 --> 00:06:18,240 Speaker 4: it would go off about you know, twenty miles and 129 00:06:18,279 --> 00:06:19,000 Speaker 4: then kick back on. 130 00:06:19,240 --> 00:06:19,440 Speaker 5: Right. 131 00:06:19,560 --> 00:06:22,880 Speaker 2: Yeah, get there, get there sooner rather than later, because 132 00:06:22,880 --> 00:06:25,960 Speaker 2: you want them to report record that that that light 133 00:06:26,080 --> 00:06:28,800 Speaker 2: is on, that it has that particular fault code, and 134 00:06:29,560 --> 00:06:31,760 Speaker 2: I'm going Tuesday, right, Yeah, you'll be fine. You know, 135 00:06:31,800 --> 00:06:33,800 Speaker 2: they're gonna end up they'll end up putting cats on it, 136 00:06:33,839 --> 00:06:36,680 Speaker 2: and they'll end up probably doing a software update. There's 137 00:06:36,720 --> 00:06:39,200 Speaker 2: a whole you know, step in procedure they've got to 138 00:06:39,240 --> 00:06:41,320 Speaker 2: do to this. But like I said, it's a mission's 139 00:06:41,360 --> 00:06:45,040 Speaker 2: recall twenty four dish Edward zero eight and it's very. 140 00:06:44,920 --> 00:06:48,559 Speaker 4: Common with that's getting me, that's the pot that's making 141 00:06:48,600 --> 00:06:51,919 Speaker 4: me a tat angry. Then I have all the paperwork 142 00:06:52,400 --> 00:06:59,520 Speaker 4: that you know, directs them to the code that it's 143 00:06:59,560 --> 00:07:02,559 Speaker 4: this sense, So I just don't like paying the extra 144 00:07:02,560 --> 00:07:05,080 Speaker 4: two hundred dollars for them to tell me what I 145 00:07:05,120 --> 00:07:05,720 Speaker 4: already know. 146 00:07:07,600 --> 00:07:08,919 Speaker 2: Back up what two hundred dollars? 147 00:07:09,920 --> 00:07:13,840 Speaker 4: Well, they're telling me that they're gonna as a two 148 00:07:14,520 --> 00:07:17,760 Speaker 4: one hundred and eighty nine dollars diagnostic. 149 00:07:17,280 --> 00:07:20,200 Speaker 2: Right because because well think of it from their perspective, 150 00:07:20,280 --> 00:07:21,440 Speaker 2: you want me to tell you how I think this 151 00:07:21,560 --> 00:07:24,280 Speaker 2: is going to go from there? From their perspective, you're 152 00:07:24,320 --> 00:07:26,120 Speaker 2: some guy calling him on the phone saying, my check 153 00:07:26,160 --> 00:07:28,880 Speaker 2: engine lights on and it needs a catalytic converter. So 154 00:07:29,440 --> 00:07:32,040 Speaker 2: so now they've got to take a technician who wants 155 00:07:32,080 --> 00:07:33,440 Speaker 2: to get paid so we can go home and feed 156 00:07:33,480 --> 00:07:36,960 Speaker 2: his wife and kids. Right that, get him to get 157 00:07:37,040 --> 00:07:39,480 Speaker 2: him to plug a scan tool in, pull out the code, 158 00:07:39,560 --> 00:07:42,880 Speaker 2: do a little diagnosis, verify the condition, and come back 159 00:07:42,920 --> 00:07:44,800 Speaker 2: to their service writer and go, yep, he needs a 160 00:07:44,840 --> 00:07:46,960 Speaker 2: catalytic converter, to which he's going to go to Ford 161 00:07:46,960 --> 00:07:48,880 Speaker 2: and go, Okay, we've got a guy who needs a 162 00:07:48,960 --> 00:07:50,640 Speaker 2: catalytic converter. What are you going to do about it? 163 00:07:50,680 --> 00:07:52,360 Speaker 2: And Ford's going to say, put a cat on the truck. 164 00:07:52,760 --> 00:07:56,240 Speaker 2: And I'd be willing to bet you're not going to 165 00:07:56,360 --> 00:07:58,520 Speaker 2: end up paying that two hundred dollars in the long run. 166 00:07:58,560 --> 00:07:59,800 Speaker 2: I'd be surprised if. 167 00:07:59,720 --> 00:08:04,880 Speaker 4: You do well, if the steps go like you just mentioned. Truthfully, 168 00:08:05,040 --> 00:08:07,600 Speaker 4: I have no problem paying the two hundred dollars right right, 169 00:08:07,680 --> 00:08:09,840 Speaker 4: I just don't want to pay the two hundred dollars. 170 00:08:10,040 --> 00:08:14,320 Speaker 4: And it's step ABC, D and E and fifteen hundred 171 00:08:14,360 --> 00:08:17,280 Speaker 4: dollars late A changing this sense and moving this around. 172 00:08:17,440 --> 00:08:20,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, no, I don't think so, And don't say censor. 173 00:08:20,880 --> 00:08:23,040 Speaker 2: Catalytic converter is a huge part of the exhaust system. 174 00:08:23,400 --> 00:08:26,320 Speaker 2: Just to keep it real, right, thank you. Yeah, But 175 00:08:26,800 --> 00:08:29,280 Speaker 2: I but I think I think that's how it's going 176 00:08:29,360 --> 00:08:32,559 Speaker 2: to go. And I understand that, right. It's you know, 177 00:08:32,760 --> 00:08:35,640 Speaker 2: I'm pretty cool. Yeah, it's it's sort of like going 178 00:08:35,679 --> 00:08:38,000 Speaker 2: to the doctor and they charge you the deductible and 179 00:08:38,040 --> 00:08:39,800 Speaker 2: then you find out the insurance company sends you the 180 00:08:39,880 --> 00:08:41,480 Speaker 2: letter three months later and goes, oh, you know what, 181 00:08:41,559 --> 00:08:42,880 Speaker 2: that was covered, here's your money back. 182 00:08:43,400 --> 00:08:44,000 Speaker 5: It happens. 183 00:08:45,360 --> 00:08:45,520 Speaker 4: You know. 184 00:08:45,640 --> 00:08:48,719 Speaker 2: One of the things I look at very candidly in 185 00:08:48,800 --> 00:08:52,480 Speaker 2: this industry is I'm stunned at how big the automobile 186 00:08:52,559 --> 00:08:56,599 Speaker 2: repair industry has gotten, the number of different parts that 187 00:08:56,679 --> 00:09:00,440 Speaker 2: are on vehicles today, the amount of technology are thinking 188 00:09:00,480 --> 00:09:05,679 Speaker 2: about inventory, stockpiling, keeping tracks, sending letters, reference information, all 189 00:09:05,760 --> 00:09:10,240 Speaker 2: the things that go into making a vehicle. And I 190 00:09:10,559 --> 00:09:12,880 Speaker 2: think that two hundred dollars is a fair place to start. 191 00:09:13,520 --> 00:09:16,080 Speaker 2: But I'll bet you a cup of coffee you're never 192 00:09:16,120 --> 00:09:18,240 Speaker 2: going to take it out of your pocket. I bet 193 00:09:18,320 --> 00:09:20,560 Speaker 2: you if that's a cat, If that's a cat fault, 194 00:09:20,640 --> 00:09:22,800 Speaker 2: my friend, I bet you they're going to go. You 195 00:09:22,840 --> 00:09:24,800 Speaker 2: know what, Steve, you don't know, it's the money, it's 196 00:09:24,920 --> 00:09:27,640 Speaker 2: it's going to be covered under warranty. YadA YadA. Yeah, 197 00:09:27,760 --> 00:09:29,880 Speaker 2: so you call us back. You call us back in 198 00:09:29,920 --> 00:09:31,480 Speaker 2: two weeks and tell us what they did. How's that 199 00:09:31,640 --> 00:09:32,199 Speaker 2: I want to hear it. 200 00:09:32,320 --> 00:09:34,520 Speaker 4: I will definitely, I will definitely do that. But one 201 00:09:34,600 --> 00:09:37,640 Speaker 4: more before you hang up. Yes, sure, the twenty four 202 00:09:38,160 --> 00:09:41,840 Speaker 4: as an Eddie zero A. I can present that to them. 203 00:09:41,800 --> 00:09:43,679 Speaker 2: Right, Well, yeah, that was a that was a letter 204 00:09:43,760 --> 00:09:46,040 Speaker 2: that went out to all the dealers. I believe it 205 00:09:46,120 --> 00:09:48,280 Speaker 2: got mailed to customers. I'm not one hundred percent certain, 206 00:09:48,320 --> 00:09:51,160 Speaker 2: but a mission recall twenty four, Yeah, a mission recall 207 00:09:51,240 --> 00:09:54,400 Speaker 2: twenty four dish Edward dish, I'm sorry, twenty four Edward 208 00:09:54,559 --> 00:09:56,760 Speaker 2: zero eight is how I remember it. It was a 209 00:09:56,840 --> 00:10:00,319 Speaker 2: letter that went out to the U four dealers and 210 00:10:00,440 --> 00:10:03,800 Speaker 2: I thought customers, but maybe not. And then explain the 211 00:10:03,840 --> 00:10:06,400 Speaker 2: situation because this is a big, big deal for Ford. 212 00:10:06,520 --> 00:10:08,559 Speaker 2: Ford's got their issues, right. 213 00:10:09,040 --> 00:10:11,160 Speaker 4: So all right, I thank you very much. I listen 214 00:10:11,280 --> 00:10:15,760 Speaker 4: every Saturday up here in Massachusetts. I really enjoy your program. 215 00:10:15,880 --> 00:10:17,680 Speaker 4: I never thought I would call, but of course. 216 00:10:17,600 --> 00:10:20,520 Speaker 2: You never know, right, you never know, You never know. 217 00:10:20,760 --> 00:10:23,319 Speaker 2: Steve hen met Christmas. You're very welcome, sir. You'll be 218 00:10:23,400 --> 00:10:26,360 Speaker 2: welome and I will call you back, Yes, no, yes, absolutely, 219 00:10:26,840 --> 00:10:29,120 Speaker 2: thank you eight five five five six nine nine zero 220 00:10:29,280 --> 00:10:31,600 Speaker 2: zero Ron and Anie in the Car Doctor. I will 221 00:10:31,640 --> 00:10:46,360 Speaker 2: be back right after this. Just remember like what you're hearing, 222 00:10:46,520 --> 00:10:49,440 Speaker 2: get after the podcast. Afterwards, the broadcast becomes a podcast 223 00:10:49,480 --> 00:10:53,040 Speaker 2: available at all podcasts players. Just Google search or just 224 00:10:53,120 --> 00:10:55,559 Speaker 2: search Ron and Anie in the Car Doctor. Don't search 225 00:10:55,640 --> 00:10:57,120 Speaker 2: Tom Ray but ronin Anie. 226 00:10:57,120 --> 00:10:57,600 Speaker 3: It'll come up. 227 00:10:57,760 --> 00:11:00,280 Speaker 2: But I'll keep Tom on my side. It's a long story. 228 00:11:00,679 --> 00:11:03,000 Speaker 2: Let's go to Larry in Kentucky. Larry, what's going on here? 229 00:11:04,280 --> 00:11:05,959 Speaker 3: Hell sir, that's for taking my call. 230 00:11:06,040 --> 00:11:07,000 Speaker 2: You're welcome. How can I help? 231 00:11:08,040 --> 00:11:10,280 Speaker 3: I'm looking at help my granddaughter get a little car, 232 00:11:10,360 --> 00:11:12,440 Speaker 3: and she's kind of stuck on the encore. 233 00:11:12,679 --> 00:11:14,440 Speaker 2: Okay, We went and. 234 00:11:14,480 --> 00:11:19,920 Speaker 3: Looked at one yesterday in Louisville, and it in twenty 235 00:11:20,120 --> 00:11:22,600 Speaker 3: sixteen had decent miles on one hundred and twenty two, 236 00:11:22,880 --> 00:11:25,520 Speaker 3: you know, for the price that was on it. And 237 00:11:26,679 --> 00:11:28,040 Speaker 3: it had a cold on it, and the man was 238 00:11:28,040 --> 00:11:30,280 Speaker 3: trying to tell me it's a little cold, but mechanics said, 239 00:11:30,280 --> 00:11:34,000 Speaker 3: it's no problem. Well he didn't know the cold, but 240 00:11:34,040 --> 00:11:36,160 Speaker 3: he had a coldery that we put it on po 241 00:11:36,480 --> 00:11:39,320 Speaker 3: fourteen ninety six. I believe okay, so. 242 00:11:39,679 --> 00:11:45,360 Speaker 2: He's so he's he's looking at OBD two. He didn't 243 00:11:45,360 --> 00:11:49,320 Speaker 2: go in by year, make model correct from the sounds 244 00:11:49,360 --> 00:11:51,640 Speaker 2: of it, you know, yeah he did. He did a 245 00:11:51,840 --> 00:11:53,760 Speaker 2: very basic scan from the sounds of it. 246 00:11:55,280 --> 00:11:59,319 Speaker 3: Yes, sir, okay, just a little handheld, right, and I 247 00:11:59,400 --> 00:12:03,720 Speaker 3: said't earned hold off the all filler cap. Just look 248 00:12:03,800 --> 00:12:06,600 Speaker 3: for blow buying things on it. There's a very little 249 00:12:06,640 --> 00:12:08,920 Speaker 3: trace of a little white you know, maybe a condensation. 250 00:12:09,559 --> 00:12:13,439 Speaker 3: But the engine died down some and in just a 251 00:12:13,520 --> 00:12:15,400 Speaker 3: matter of a couple of seconds it started going down 252 00:12:15,400 --> 00:12:18,240 Speaker 3: to where it was gonna quit. I started and it 253 00:12:18,360 --> 00:12:19,920 Speaker 3: had pressure in there, and I was like, well, where 254 00:12:19,960 --> 00:12:22,280 Speaker 3: in the world did this come from? Now, put the 255 00:12:22,360 --> 00:12:26,079 Speaker 3: cat back on. It smooths right back out. Tomperament took 256 00:12:26,120 --> 00:12:28,520 Speaker 3: that cat back off and little woosh and next thing 257 00:12:28,559 --> 00:12:31,200 Speaker 3: you know, it's just right. 258 00:12:31,800 --> 00:12:34,960 Speaker 2: And the and the fault code was what fourteen ninety. 259 00:12:34,720 --> 00:12:40,559 Speaker 3: Seven old zero I'm sorry, P zero four ninety six 260 00:12:40,720 --> 00:12:43,600 Speaker 3: evaporated emission system high perge flow. 261 00:12:43,920 --> 00:12:48,000 Speaker 2: Right, so it's got to bed purge valve, all right. 262 00:12:48,240 --> 00:12:50,839 Speaker 3: I was one of from Yeah, so you think that's 263 00:12:50,840 --> 00:12:51,560 Speaker 3: what I was at. 264 00:12:51,480 --> 00:12:54,719 Speaker 2: The Yeah, I listen, there's there's not a lot all 265 00:12:54,760 --> 00:12:57,200 Speaker 2: diagnosed from my seat on the telephone to tell somebody 266 00:12:57,559 --> 00:13:02,199 Speaker 2: matter of factly, but you're probably in the ninety six percentile. 267 00:13:02,280 --> 00:13:06,520 Speaker 2: That's a bad purge valve. The the takeoff the oil 268 00:13:06,600 --> 00:13:11,120 Speaker 2: fill cap on a modern day vehicle is dicey at best, 269 00:13:11,320 --> 00:13:16,559 Speaker 2: because let's let's let's start this way, right. You know 270 00:13:16,640 --> 00:13:20,720 Speaker 2: your way around cars enough? Okay, no, no, no insult intended, 271 00:13:20,800 --> 00:13:22,319 Speaker 2: but it sounds like you know what you're doing to 272 00:13:22,400 --> 00:13:24,400 Speaker 2: the point that cars have to have some way for 273 00:13:24,480 --> 00:13:26,360 Speaker 2: a PCV, right, you got to vent the crank case, 274 00:13:26,360 --> 00:13:29,360 Speaker 2: it's got to breathe. But it's it's got to be 275 00:13:29,400 --> 00:13:33,040 Speaker 2: a metered or calibrated leak, so to speak, right, because 276 00:13:33,080 --> 00:13:35,520 Speaker 2: if it's too much, it's going to affect fuel trim 277 00:13:35,640 --> 00:13:38,760 Speaker 2: and you know, mixture and how the vehicle operates. Right, 278 00:13:40,080 --> 00:13:41,840 Speaker 2: So when you took when you took that oil fill 279 00:13:41,920 --> 00:13:44,959 Speaker 2: cap off, how big of an air leak do you 280 00:13:45,000 --> 00:13:45,520 Speaker 2: think you made? 281 00:13:47,600 --> 00:13:51,160 Speaker 3: Yeah, I made a big one, right food with outer cars, 282 00:13:51,320 --> 00:13:51,840 Speaker 3: you know, and it. 283 00:13:52,000 --> 00:13:54,679 Speaker 2: Just right the right, Well, it be the it'd be 284 00:13:54,720 --> 00:13:56,719 Speaker 2: the same thing you take the break booster line off, 285 00:13:57,080 --> 00:14:00,839 Speaker 2: depending upon the vehicle, and you know it would it 286 00:14:00,880 --> 00:14:03,320 Speaker 2: would it would do different things. You're you're putting air 287 00:14:03,480 --> 00:14:07,839 Speaker 2: into the engine somehow. Now different engines react differently. Is 288 00:14:07,880 --> 00:14:08,839 Speaker 2: this a turbo motor? 289 00:14:10,520 --> 00:14:13,240 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, so yeah. 290 00:14:13,880 --> 00:14:16,199 Speaker 2: What you could do is go find the purge valve. 291 00:14:17,400 --> 00:14:20,320 Speaker 2: Purge valve will be You'll find a vacuum line leading 292 00:14:20,360 --> 00:14:23,120 Speaker 2: down to the intake purge valve. If I'm not mistaken, 293 00:14:24,000 --> 00:14:27,080 Speaker 2: sits up top. It's it's a round black purge with 294 00:14:27,200 --> 00:14:31,040 Speaker 2: two wires going to it. Disconnect if you want to, 295 00:14:31,080 --> 00:14:33,440 Speaker 2: if you want to see if it's a bad purge disconnected, 296 00:14:33,520 --> 00:14:41,200 Speaker 2: electrically disconnect the line that feeds the intake manifold. All right, no, 297 00:14:41,320 --> 00:14:43,520 Speaker 2: I'm sorry, Go the other way, the line that goes 298 00:14:43,560 --> 00:14:46,440 Speaker 2: out to the tank. Right, Disconnect the line that goes 299 00:14:46,520 --> 00:14:50,080 Speaker 2: out to the tank. And with manifold vacuum applied to 300 00:14:50,120 --> 00:14:54,200 Speaker 2: the one side, with the engine running electrically disconnected, you 301 00:14:54,360 --> 00:14:57,040 Speaker 2: should not feel any suction on the other side. And 302 00:14:57,120 --> 00:15:00,880 Speaker 2: I'm betting you will. It'll just it'll just it'll just 303 00:15:00,960 --> 00:15:05,400 Speaker 2: be the tiniest of leaks. What happens is the vehicle 304 00:15:05,760 --> 00:15:10,640 Speaker 2: is seeing a change in fuel tank pressure. Right, what 305 00:15:10,840 --> 00:15:13,120 Speaker 2: is what is purge? Let's let's talk about that for 306 00:15:13,200 --> 00:15:16,120 Speaker 2: a second. Take a gas can. Fill it with two 307 00:15:16,440 --> 00:15:18,160 Speaker 2: Take a five gallon gas can, fill it with two 308 00:15:18,200 --> 00:15:20,120 Speaker 2: gallons worth of fuel, Put it outside in the sun, 309 00:15:20,880 --> 00:15:23,240 Speaker 2: close all the caps. What happens? What happens to the tank? 310 00:15:23,360 --> 00:15:26,200 Speaker 2: It expands right right, We have to we have to 311 00:15:26,280 --> 00:15:30,640 Speaker 2: burp it all right. If if we put a handheld 312 00:15:30,720 --> 00:15:33,400 Speaker 2: vacuum pump, well, let's make it an electrically driven vacuum 313 00:15:33,440 --> 00:15:35,960 Speaker 2: pump on that tank, so that when the tank reached 314 00:15:36,000 --> 00:15:40,000 Speaker 2: a certain pressure, the electrical control would apply from a computer. 315 00:15:40,120 --> 00:15:44,520 Speaker 2: It would burp it down right in a sense, that's 316 00:15:44,600 --> 00:15:46,920 Speaker 2: what a purge valve is doing. A purge valve is 317 00:15:47,000 --> 00:15:51,120 Speaker 2: taking excess fumes, not pressure, but excess fumes out of 318 00:15:51,200 --> 00:15:54,120 Speaker 2: the system, out of the canister to be run through 319 00:15:54,160 --> 00:15:57,000 Speaker 2: the engine and burned for emissions and so forth, to 320 00:15:57,440 --> 00:16:04,000 Speaker 2: help the vehicle meet compliance. Right when it sees fuel 321 00:16:04,080 --> 00:16:08,360 Speaker 2: tank pressure change, and it doesn't have the purge valve 322 00:16:08,440 --> 00:16:12,280 Speaker 2: turned on, so the computer knows, Hey, the purge valve 323 00:16:12,360 --> 00:16:14,480 Speaker 2: is just sitting there. It's not supposed to be doing anything. 324 00:16:14,640 --> 00:16:19,400 Speaker 2: I'm seeing a change in tank pressure, right, either, I've 325 00:16:19,440 --> 00:16:22,920 Speaker 2: got either the cap is loose for some reason. But 326 00:16:23,040 --> 00:16:25,800 Speaker 2: that won't do it, because that won't change fuel tank 327 00:16:25,880 --> 00:16:28,280 Speaker 2: pressure on a constant basis. It'll go to one constant 328 00:16:28,320 --> 00:16:30,920 Speaker 2: and stay there. It'll be it'll become atmosphere. But this 329 00:16:31,120 --> 00:16:33,880 Speaker 2: is seeing a variation on fuel tank pressure on and off, 330 00:16:33,960 --> 00:16:35,480 Speaker 2: on and off, on and off, on and off as 331 00:16:35,520 --> 00:16:36,360 Speaker 2: the vehicle drives. 332 00:16:37,440 --> 00:16:39,080 Speaker 3: You with me, yep. 333 00:16:39,360 --> 00:16:44,280 Speaker 2: So, So if we want to test this disconnected electrically, 334 00:16:45,280 --> 00:16:48,320 Speaker 2: go to the tank side or the canister side of 335 00:16:48,360 --> 00:16:50,480 Speaker 2: the purge valve, leave the vacuum side of the purge 336 00:16:50,560 --> 00:16:53,640 Speaker 2: valve hooked up. Wet your finger, stick it over the 337 00:16:54,120 --> 00:16:56,720 Speaker 2: nipple that you've disconnected, and you're going to feel a 338 00:16:56,800 --> 00:17:01,480 Speaker 2: slight suction. It'll and it just there can't be any here, Larry. 339 00:17:01,640 --> 00:17:04,560 Speaker 2: It has to be zero, all right, to the point 340 00:17:04,640 --> 00:17:07,000 Speaker 2: that go buy a new purge valve. Try blowing through it. 341 00:17:07,359 --> 00:17:09,560 Speaker 2: You can't blow through it. Take the old purge valve 342 00:17:09,600 --> 00:17:12,280 Speaker 2: off the vehicle. If you can blow through it in 343 00:17:12,480 --> 00:17:15,160 Speaker 2: any way, shape or form, that purge valve is bad, 344 00:17:15,800 --> 00:17:18,520 Speaker 2: all right. I mean, listen, you can go through a 345 00:17:18,520 --> 00:17:20,600 Speaker 2: bunch of diagnoses, you can follow the flow chart. There's 346 00:17:20,600 --> 00:17:22,879 Speaker 2: one hundred ways to go at this. But at p 347 00:17:23,080 --> 00:17:27,480 Speaker 2: zero four ninety six, real common purge valves. I don't 348 00:17:27,520 --> 00:17:29,639 Speaker 2: think I found one where it isn't the Purge valve, 349 00:17:30,320 --> 00:17:33,080 Speaker 2: so you know, I think that's I think that's where 350 00:17:33,119 --> 00:17:35,600 Speaker 2: you want to be, all right, sir, and God bless 351 00:17:35,600 --> 00:17:37,720 Speaker 2: you for helping your granddaughter. It's good to get the 352 00:17:37,800 --> 00:17:40,240 Speaker 2: youngsters off on a good start, and a Buick Encore 353 00:17:40,280 --> 00:17:43,720 Speaker 2: will be a good car for Just ask the repair 354 00:17:43,840 --> 00:17:46,800 Speaker 2: shop or the dealership about any oil consumption issues if 355 00:17:46,840 --> 00:17:48,640 Speaker 2: they know. That's the one thing that comes to mind. 356 00:17:48,800 --> 00:17:50,800 Speaker 2: I'm running any in the car, doctor, We're back right 357 00:17:50,840 --> 00:17:51,159 Speaker 2: after this. 358 00:17:55,520 --> 00:18:06,880 Speaker 6: H Yeah, from the city streets to the open road 359 00:18:07,000 --> 00:18:11,000 Speaker 6: or not. If you're around needs help, run, I'll keep 360 00:18:11,080 --> 00:18:12,080 Speaker 6: you rolling right. 361 00:18:13,480 --> 00:18:20,840 Speaker 2: There's a card doctor, card bus by the way. I 362 00:18:20,880 --> 00:18:22,520 Speaker 2: don't think there's room in the sleigh for the band, 363 00:18:22,600 --> 00:18:24,880 Speaker 2: so the band can't come. I just want to point 364 00:18:24,920 --> 00:18:27,239 Speaker 2: that out, Tom. No matter what you try and tell, 365 00:18:27,280 --> 00:18:29,080 Speaker 2: you know, they're going to be very disappointed about that. 366 00:18:29,680 --> 00:18:31,480 Speaker 2: You know, I was looking forward to it. Well, you 367 00:18:31,560 --> 00:18:34,400 Speaker 2: know I understand that, but they're just there's no room 368 00:18:34,440 --> 00:18:36,000 Speaker 2: in the sleigh this year. Maybe next year. 369 00:18:36,119 --> 00:18:36,320 Speaker 5: Man. 370 00:18:36,480 --> 00:18:39,600 Speaker 2: So, but it's just you and me and that's it, 371 00:18:39,840 --> 00:18:41,960 Speaker 2: and we need it because we've got an extra load 372 00:18:42,040 --> 00:18:45,160 Speaker 2: of toys this year because there's been a very nice 373 00:18:45,840 --> 00:18:47,960 Speaker 2: there's more people on the nice list this year than 374 00:18:48,000 --> 00:18:49,840 Speaker 2: the naughty list. Let's just say it like that. So 375 00:18:50,160 --> 00:18:53,399 Speaker 2: Santa's been working overtime and we have to to all right, 376 00:18:53,520 --> 00:18:55,320 Speaker 2: So you tell the band, by the way, that's your job. 377 00:18:55,520 --> 00:18:59,040 Speaker 2: Let me go on to my next call. Eli Kentucky, Yes, sir, 378 00:18:59,119 --> 00:19:01,680 Speaker 2: Kentucky's coming in, let out and clear today, Ronanini and 379 00:19:01,720 --> 00:19:05,040 Speaker 2: the car doctor. Yes, sir, how can I help excellent program? 380 00:19:05,160 --> 00:19:06,000 Speaker 2: By the way, thank you. 381 00:19:07,080 --> 00:19:11,399 Speaker 7: I'm about to purchase Alexis two thousand and three LS 382 00:19:11,560 --> 00:19:17,399 Speaker 7: four thirty. The seller told me it needs a new radiator, okay, 383 00:19:17,480 --> 00:19:20,200 Speaker 7: and it has a leak or your leak, It needs 384 00:19:20,200 --> 00:19:23,880 Speaker 7: a new gaskets, and it has one hundred and twenty 385 00:19:23,920 --> 00:19:29,080 Speaker 7: thousand miles on it. Could you tell me exactly about 386 00:19:29,119 --> 00:19:31,720 Speaker 7: the car forgive my incorrons. 387 00:19:31,840 --> 00:19:37,480 Speaker 2: That's okay. That vehicle, this is a V eight correct, yes, sir, yeah, 388 00:19:38,000 --> 00:19:41,440 Speaker 2: that vehicle, believe it or not, was brought to this 389 00:19:41,640 --> 00:19:47,800 Speaker 2: country with the intention of unseating Mercedes, all right. That 390 00:19:48,160 --> 00:19:53,800 Speaker 2: that car had specific marketing intentions in mind, and that engine. 391 00:19:54,119 --> 00:19:57,440 Speaker 2: The rumor goes, and I've seen I've seen three hundred 392 00:19:57,440 --> 00:20:00,480 Speaker 2: and eighty thousand miles out of a of those, and 393 00:20:00,800 --> 00:20:03,399 Speaker 2: a few of them coming close to it. But you know, 394 00:20:03,480 --> 00:20:06,560 Speaker 2: they say that car, that's a half a million mile car. Now, 395 00:20:06,680 --> 00:20:08,400 Speaker 2: I'm not saying you're gonna drive a half a million 396 00:20:08,480 --> 00:20:10,240 Speaker 2: miles and not have to put money into it. That's 397 00:20:10,800 --> 00:20:14,479 Speaker 2: you know, that's that's the next level of crazy. Obviously, 398 00:20:14,480 --> 00:20:16,600 Speaker 2: you're gonna put money into everything, it's just how much 399 00:20:16,640 --> 00:20:20,679 Speaker 2: and over what kind of time frame? The radiator doesn't 400 00:20:20,720 --> 00:20:23,720 Speaker 2: scare me? And at one hundred and twenty thousand miles, 401 00:20:23,840 --> 00:20:26,920 Speaker 2: my question would be, so you're doing a radiator, have 402 00:20:27,000 --> 00:20:29,240 Speaker 2: you ever has it ever had a timing belt, timing belt, 403 00:20:29,320 --> 00:20:32,680 Speaker 2: water pump, idler, tensioner, all the stuff in the front 404 00:20:32,680 --> 00:20:35,400 Speaker 2: of the engine like that. That's if it hasn't been done, 405 00:20:35,440 --> 00:20:38,000 Speaker 2: it's way overdue and you'd have to do it. But 406 00:20:38,520 --> 00:20:42,080 Speaker 2: my bigger concern is where's the oil leak? Just saying gaskets. 407 00:20:42,760 --> 00:20:45,639 Speaker 2: Some gaskets are easy to get to, some gaskets not 408 00:20:45,800 --> 00:20:49,880 Speaker 2: so much. So you know, where where's this oil leak 409 00:20:49,920 --> 00:20:53,160 Speaker 2: from these alleged gaskets? And then keep in mind it's 410 00:20:53,240 --> 00:20:58,400 Speaker 2: also a twenty three year old vehicle, if a particular 411 00:20:58,560 --> 00:21:03,120 Speaker 2: gasket has dried out out, you know, cracked, broken, failed, 412 00:21:03,280 --> 00:21:06,840 Speaker 2: et cetera. You know, and it's it's the oil pan gasket. 413 00:21:07,320 --> 00:21:09,800 Speaker 2: There's a whole bunch more gaskets elsewhere in that engine. 414 00:21:09,880 --> 00:21:12,040 Speaker 2: Is it going to be a case of having to 415 00:21:12,119 --> 00:21:14,760 Speaker 2: pull the engine and do a complete reseal, which I'm 416 00:21:14,800 --> 00:21:17,640 Speaker 2: not saying it isn't worth it. If it's a true 417 00:21:17,800 --> 00:21:20,960 Speaker 2: hundred and twenty thousand mile car and the body is 418 00:21:21,000 --> 00:21:23,639 Speaker 2: in good condition, and you know, depending on what you 419 00:21:23,760 --> 00:21:26,960 Speaker 2: pay for it, get it to the right mechanics, shape 420 00:21:27,000 --> 00:21:29,800 Speaker 2: it up. You know, you probably got a deal there. 421 00:21:30,280 --> 00:21:30,399 Speaker 8: Right. 422 00:21:31,119 --> 00:21:35,240 Speaker 2: It's it's they they were good vehicles. It's and I 423 00:21:35,640 --> 00:21:36,640 Speaker 2: have to mention that too. 424 00:21:37,040 --> 00:21:37,200 Speaker 5: You know. 425 00:21:37,320 --> 00:21:41,879 Speaker 2: The two stumbling blocks here is it's older. Who's going 426 00:21:41,960 --> 00:21:42,560 Speaker 2: to work on it? 427 00:21:43,440 --> 00:21:43,560 Speaker 5: Right? 428 00:21:44,320 --> 00:21:47,359 Speaker 2: Do you have a private mechanic and independent mechanic or 429 00:21:47,400 --> 00:21:50,119 Speaker 2: is this going to be dealership because the guys in 430 00:21:50,200 --> 00:21:53,560 Speaker 2: the dealer may not remember that car. It's twenty three 431 00:21:53,640 --> 00:21:55,920 Speaker 2: years old. All those guys are gone now, they've all retired, 432 00:21:56,840 --> 00:21:58,600 Speaker 2: you know, and the kids that are there now may 433 00:21:58,680 --> 00:22:01,200 Speaker 2: or may not. It may take them longer than maybe 434 00:22:01,280 --> 00:22:04,000 Speaker 2: some complications and I'm not trying to downplay dealership text. 435 00:22:04,040 --> 00:22:06,920 Speaker 2: I'm just saying they tend to see a newer line 436 00:22:06,960 --> 00:22:09,240 Speaker 2: of vehicle, not an older line of vehicle like this, 437 00:22:09,359 --> 00:22:11,240 Speaker 2: So who's going to work on it? As my first thought? 438 00:22:11,960 --> 00:22:14,320 Speaker 2: And then depending on what you need, you may run 439 00:22:14,359 --> 00:22:17,639 Speaker 2: into parts availability issues and you've got to kind of 440 00:22:17,680 --> 00:22:19,240 Speaker 2: address that in your head. How are you going to 441 00:22:19,320 --> 00:22:22,399 Speaker 2: deal with that? You know, as as the owner of 442 00:22:22,520 --> 00:22:25,800 Speaker 2: a two thousand and four suburban, a ninety seven Ford Ranger, 443 00:22:26,640 --> 00:22:27,840 Speaker 2: I don't know what else have I got a No. 444 00:22:27,960 --> 00:22:31,680 Speaker 2: Two Ford Thunderbird. You know a couple of older cars. 445 00:22:32,520 --> 00:22:36,040 Speaker 2: It's a different mindset to drive something older. You're you're 446 00:22:36,640 --> 00:22:43,000 Speaker 2: you know, always looking at traditional parts that wear out, breaks, hoses, belts, starters, alternators, 447 00:22:43,119 --> 00:22:46,760 Speaker 2: rotating electrical and then the hardcore stuff you get into transmissions, 448 00:22:46,800 --> 00:22:49,440 Speaker 2: you get into some of the bigger powertrain components. Can 449 00:22:49,520 --> 00:22:51,080 Speaker 2: I get parts for these things? Do I want to 450 00:22:51,080 --> 00:22:53,800 Speaker 2: stockpile parts for this? What sort of experience do I 451 00:22:53,840 --> 00:22:56,159 Speaker 2: want to have? And after I go through spending all 452 00:22:56,240 --> 00:22:59,359 Speaker 2: that money, right ELI, after I go through, after I 453 00:22:59,440 --> 00:23:02,000 Speaker 2: go through spend all this money, what I have been 454 00:23:02,040 --> 00:23:06,240 Speaker 2: better off buying a twenty fifteen Lexus and you know, 455 00:23:06,440 --> 00:23:08,760 Speaker 2: even though I know that particular model isn't available, and 456 00:23:08,920 --> 00:23:11,159 Speaker 2: I don't think that model was available in twenty fifteen, 457 00:23:11,160 --> 00:23:15,119 Speaker 2: they've graduated to something else by then. So I just 458 00:23:15,280 --> 00:23:21,159 Speaker 2: think it's it's it's a matter of you know, looking 459 00:23:21,200 --> 00:23:23,639 Speaker 2: at it from all the angles. That's a that's a 460 00:23:23,720 --> 00:23:26,359 Speaker 2: great car. But you've really got to play what if? 461 00:23:27,160 --> 00:23:29,439 Speaker 2: All right, what if this happens? What if that happens? 462 00:23:29,560 --> 00:23:32,560 Speaker 2: Are you prepared to do that? Is your mechanic prepared 463 00:23:32,640 --> 00:23:34,240 Speaker 2: to go the distance? Or is it just going to 464 00:23:34,280 --> 00:23:35,800 Speaker 2: be another old car to him and he's not going 465 00:23:35,880 --> 00:23:38,920 Speaker 2: to want to work on it. And that's that's that's 466 00:23:39,000 --> 00:23:41,600 Speaker 2: absolutely the first conversation you got to have with somebody. 467 00:23:42,560 --> 00:23:43,720 Speaker 3: So yes, sorry, all. 468 00:23:43,680 --> 00:23:48,399 Speaker 5: Right, Well, if I may ask you, he's lee driver 469 00:23:49,200 --> 00:23:52,560 Speaker 5: and he's asking just for five thousand. He told me 470 00:23:53,240 --> 00:23:57,879 Speaker 5: he took it to the Lexus dealership and specifically going 471 00:23:57,920 --> 00:24:02,000 Speaker 5: to cost nine hundred dollars for those leaks to be repaired, 472 00:24:03,080 --> 00:24:06,080 Speaker 5: and the radiator, he told me it's going to be 473 00:24:06,280 --> 00:24:08,320 Speaker 5: proximately about seven hundred. 474 00:24:08,119 --> 00:24:12,000 Speaker 2: Dollars the rate the rate that the radiator sounds right. 475 00:24:12,200 --> 00:24:15,040 Speaker 2: The question I've got is the nine hundred dollars worth 476 00:24:15,080 --> 00:24:19,520 Speaker 2: of gaskets. What are they specifically and how are they 477 00:24:19,600 --> 00:24:22,040 Speaker 2: going to do it? So for nine hundred dollars, they're 478 00:24:22,080 --> 00:24:24,680 Speaker 2: not pulling the engine because it would be a lot 479 00:24:24,760 --> 00:24:28,880 Speaker 2: more just in labor. So this is this is probably 480 00:24:29,080 --> 00:24:32,760 Speaker 2: valve cover gaskets. I'm betting if it's. 481 00:24:32,920 --> 00:24:33,199 Speaker 3: If it's. 482 00:24:33,359 --> 00:24:35,879 Speaker 2: If it's valve cover gaskets, and that's all it is, 483 00:24:36,359 --> 00:24:38,600 Speaker 2: and it very well could be, then yeah, that's a 484 00:24:38,640 --> 00:24:42,280 Speaker 2: fair price, all right, because you can't you can't buy 485 00:24:42,359 --> 00:24:45,080 Speaker 2: any you know, go go look at anything today, Eli, 486 00:24:45,320 --> 00:24:48,000 Speaker 2: Well can you buy for five grand? Right? 487 00:24:48,160 --> 00:24:48,400 Speaker 3: Nothing? 488 00:24:48,640 --> 00:24:48,960 Speaker 2: Nothing? 489 00:24:49,400 --> 00:24:49,640 Speaker 5: Nothing? 490 00:24:49,800 --> 00:24:51,000 Speaker 8: Right? Yes, you know? 491 00:24:51,200 --> 00:24:52,879 Speaker 2: And and but you've got to you've got to be 492 00:24:53,000 --> 00:24:56,359 Speaker 2: satisfied in your mind. You've got to sit there and go, Eli. 493 00:24:56,680 --> 00:24:59,200 Speaker 2: If this car puke's a transmission, I'll put a trans 494 00:24:59,240 --> 00:25:01,680 Speaker 2: in it, Eli, this car pukes a catalytic converter, and 495 00:25:01,720 --> 00:25:04,080 Speaker 2: they're four thousand dollars, I'll put a cat in it. 496 00:25:04,359 --> 00:25:06,600 Speaker 2: And if you can have that conversation in your head 497 00:25:06,640 --> 00:25:09,840 Speaker 2: and say yes, I'm okay with that, do it? 498 00:25:09,960 --> 00:25:10,160 Speaker 3: Brother? 499 00:25:10,440 --> 00:25:10,880 Speaker 2: Nice car? 500 00:25:11,960 --> 00:25:15,240 Speaker 7: Yes, sir? Well, thank you very very much, and please 501 00:25:15,280 --> 00:25:16,240 Speaker 7: have merry Christmas, you. 502 00:25:16,240 --> 00:25:18,240 Speaker 2: Too, sir, Merry Christmas to you as well in your family, 503 00:25:18,440 --> 00:25:20,760 Speaker 2: you'd be well. Ronin Andy a cardoctor' here eight five 504 00:25:20,880 --> 00:25:23,320 Speaker 2: five five six nine nine zero zero. I'll be back 505 00:25:23,440 --> 00:25:37,960 Speaker 2: right after this, Oki Doki, The last call of the 506 00:25:38,080 --> 00:25:41,399 Speaker 2: year is going to be done in Pennsylvania. Yeah, I 507 00:25:41,480 --> 00:25:43,639 Speaker 2: know you're excited, but Don's going to be last was 508 00:25:43,680 --> 00:25:45,480 Speaker 2: next week's the best of Don't forget that. If you 509 00:25:45,480 --> 00:25:47,600 Speaker 2: want to hear more of the show, don't forget the podcast. 510 00:25:48,160 --> 00:25:51,320 Speaker 2: And in any event, let's uh, let's go to Don. Don. 511 00:25:51,400 --> 00:25:52,040 Speaker 2: How can I help you? 512 00:25:53,760 --> 00:25:56,680 Speaker 8: I'll tell you Ron, a regular listener, I have a 513 00:25:56,800 --> 00:25:59,960 Speaker 8: two thousand and eight Dodge Ram. It's a four points 514 00:26:01,760 --> 00:26:05,359 Speaker 8: actual moles, says sxt. I've only seen one went around. 515 00:26:06,080 --> 00:26:11,240 Speaker 8: It's fifteen hundred, but it has a code come up 516 00:26:11,359 --> 00:26:16,480 Speaker 8: on it. It's nine ascap. Now that code come up, 517 00:26:16,560 --> 00:26:18,560 Speaker 8: and then then the check engine light came up. 518 00:26:20,440 --> 00:26:22,400 Speaker 2: Uh, where did you get that? Where did you get 519 00:26:22,440 --> 00:26:23,000 Speaker 2: that code from? 520 00:26:23,080 --> 00:26:23,240 Speaker 8: Don? 521 00:26:23,280 --> 00:26:24,600 Speaker 2: What did display on the dashboard? 522 00:26:25,480 --> 00:26:27,719 Speaker 8: Let's see, I took I told that a guy does 523 00:26:27,840 --> 00:26:30,920 Speaker 8: my inspections on my vehicles, and he said, I never 524 00:26:31,040 --> 00:26:33,320 Speaker 8: heard of such thing. It comes up on my mileage 525 00:26:34,720 --> 00:26:36,680 Speaker 8: come up my mind? You know I I did? I 526 00:26:36,720 --> 00:26:39,720 Speaker 8: got my smartphone and I asked my smartphone about it, 527 00:26:40,520 --> 00:26:43,200 Speaker 8: and my smartphone says said, could be my gas kepper 528 00:26:43,320 --> 00:26:46,960 Speaker 8: and wearing And that's the wiring scared me because I 529 00:26:47,040 --> 00:26:49,200 Speaker 8: had a squirrel under the truck and I think I 530 00:26:49,320 --> 00:26:53,760 Speaker 8: chewed off the hoase from my uh my windshield waterer reserve. 531 00:26:53,800 --> 00:26:55,720 Speaker 2: All right, so why don't we why do we do this? 532 00:26:55,960 --> 00:26:59,440 Speaker 2: Why don't we do a code scan and we'll see 533 00:26:59,480 --> 00:27:03,159 Speaker 2: what's in there pending? Right if if there's a fault. 534 00:27:03,600 --> 00:27:06,960 Speaker 2: You know, gas cap is a good generic. It's sort 535 00:27:06,960 --> 00:27:09,600 Speaker 2: of like a fix. All when the industry doesn't know 536 00:27:09,640 --> 00:27:11,720 Speaker 2: what else to say. Everybody picks on the poor lowly 537 00:27:11,800 --> 00:27:15,040 Speaker 2: gas cap. What they're where I think you're going with 538 00:27:15,240 --> 00:27:17,640 Speaker 2: this is I think you're going to have some sort 539 00:27:17,640 --> 00:27:23,000 Speaker 2: of evaporative emission's fault. So evaporative emissions, what is it. 540 00:27:23,240 --> 00:27:25,280 Speaker 2: Let's take a gas can. Let's take a five gallon 541 00:27:25,359 --> 00:27:27,879 Speaker 2: gas can, fill it up and leave it out in 542 00:27:27,920 --> 00:27:30,280 Speaker 2: the parking lot, all sealed up. What's going to happen 543 00:27:30,320 --> 00:27:33,960 Speaker 2: to it? It's going to swell up right in the sun. 544 00:27:35,200 --> 00:27:37,800 Speaker 2: So so we have to open up and vent it, right, 545 00:27:37,960 --> 00:27:39,960 Speaker 2: we have to let it. Let the fumes out, so 546 00:27:40,000 --> 00:27:42,920 Speaker 2: we don't have a kaboom. Well, you know, we can't 547 00:27:42,960 --> 00:27:45,679 Speaker 2: put fumes out into the atmosphere because that's a violation 548 00:27:45,800 --> 00:27:48,800 Speaker 2: of the Clean Air Act. We've got to you know, 549 00:27:49,000 --> 00:27:55,280 Speaker 2: control that emission and do something with it. So, in 550 00:27:55,640 --> 00:27:57,959 Speaker 2: a way, an automobile is like that gas can right, 551 00:27:58,000 --> 00:28:00,440 Speaker 2: It's just a big gas tank with four tires attached 552 00:28:00,440 --> 00:28:03,880 Speaker 2: to it, and we'll control what happens to the fumes, 553 00:28:04,320 --> 00:28:06,200 Speaker 2: and we'll do it various ways. We put it into 554 00:28:06,240 --> 00:28:09,040 Speaker 2: the canister. At certain times, we're going to open up 555 00:28:09,440 --> 00:28:13,399 Speaker 2: something called a purge valve, which will purgure clean the 556 00:28:13,560 --> 00:28:16,320 Speaker 2: canister of fumes, right, and put it back into the 557 00:28:16,400 --> 00:28:19,399 Speaker 2: engine to burn, We'll use something called a vent valve. 558 00:28:19,880 --> 00:28:22,880 Speaker 2: This is that conversation you hear me talk about. If 559 00:28:22,960 --> 00:28:24,720 Speaker 2: your house has a front door and a back door, 560 00:28:25,640 --> 00:28:29,159 Speaker 2: the front door is the purge valve. Let's air in. 561 00:28:29,400 --> 00:28:31,320 Speaker 2: If you want the air to move through the house, 562 00:28:31,359 --> 00:28:33,800 Speaker 2: you have to open up the vent and then air 563 00:28:33,880 --> 00:28:37,640 Speaker 2: will flow through and evacuate the house. Your house being 564 00:28:37,680 --> 00:28:43,680 Speaker 2: the charcoal canister, it needs to know, like you need 565 00:28:43,760 --> 00:28:46,120 Speaker 2: to know if a storm is approaching, you close your 566 00:28:46,160 --> 00:28:50,600 Speaker 2: doors in windows, right, So you need to know that 567 00:28:50,720 --> 00:28:54,080 Speaker 2: the house is secure. Cars the same way it needs 568 00:28:54,120 --> 00:28:56,640 Speaker 2: to know if purge is closed, vent is closed, that 569 00:28:56,800 --> 00:28:59,800 Speaker 2: the system has integrity. And they do that. They test 570 00:29:00,040 --> 00:29:04,800 Speaker 2: various things right, and they control it when they see 571 00:29:04,880 --> 00:29:08,360 Speaker 2: a fault. The easiest thing for them to tell you is, hey, 572 00:29:08,400 --> 00:29:10,840 Speaker 2: the gas caps loose. The gas cap is a fault. 573 00:29:11,280 --> 00:29:13,680 Speaker 2: You know, they probably couldn't fit the word purge valvavn 574 00:29:13,760 --> 00:29:16,280 Speaker 2: valve on the dashboard if you want to know the truth. 575 00:29:17,040 --> 00:29:19,720 Speaker 2: So you know this has got to be diagnosed. But 576 00:29:19,800 --> 00:29:22,480 Speaker 2: you've got to know what fault code you've got. Now, 577 00:29:23,160 --> 00:29:25,480 Speaker 2: Having said that, and don't let it scare you, this 578 00:29:25,640 --> 00:29:29,880 Speaker 2: isn't hard to fix, all right. You know this, this 579 00:29:30,080 --> 00:29:34,640 Speaker 2: particular car has an ESOM, which is the abbreviation for 580 00:29:34,760 --> 00:29:39,800 Speaker 2: evaporative system Integrity monitor. You ever look inside a toilet, 581 00:29:40,360 --> 00:29:42,080 Speaker 2: You ever take the top off, the tank off, the 582 00:29:42,240 --> 00:29:44,040 Speaker 2: little off the toilet, You look at the flap that 583 00:29:44,320 --> 00:29:48,560 Speaker 2: seals the water. This car sort of has something like that. 584 00:29:48,720 --> 00:29:52,680 Speaker 2: That's the ESUM, except it's not using water tank pressure. 585 00:29:52,720 --> 00:29:56,360 Speaker 2: When you turn the key off, tank pressure builds up 586 00:29:56,560 --> 00:29:59,640 Speaker 2: and pushes the ESUM clothed against a rubber flap like 587 00:29:59,720 --> 00:30:04,120 Speaker 2: that oilet tank has it causes a change in tank pressure, 588 00:30:04,640 --> 00:30:07,200 Speaker 2: and as long as tank pressure hits a particular point, 589 00:30:07,320 --> 00:30:11,040 Speaker 2: it drives voltage down at the censor. And they know that, Hey, 590 00:30:11,120 --> 00:30:15,640 Speaker 2: the system sealed, right, But if the kit at the 591 00:30:15,680 --> 00:30:18,560 Speaker 2: gas station left the gas cap loose, it's never going 592 00:30:18,600 --> 00:30:19,360 Speaker 2: to build pressure. 593 00:30:19,440 --> 00:30:19,600 Speaker 8: Right. 594 00:30:21,240 --> 00:30:23,680 Speaker 2: So the computer says, oh, it's a bad gas cap. 595 00:30:24,120 --> 00:30:25,720 Speaker 2: So you run out, you buy a gas cap like 596 00:30:25,760 --> 00:30:27,480 Speaker 2: everybody else. And when that doesn't fix it, then we 597 00:30:27,560 --> 00:30:30,160 Speaker 2: go on and we talk about everything else. So the 598 00:30:30,240 --> 00:30:32,160 Speaker 2: long and the short of it, you got to take 599 00:30:32,160 --> 00:30:36,920 Speaker 2: it to your mechanic, let him scan it the way. 600 00:30:36,920 --> 00:30:41,080 Speaker 2: Any faults come up, right, If no faults come up, 601 00:30:41,240 --> 00:30:42,880 Speaker 2: just keep an eye on it. You're not going to 602 00:30:42,960 --> 00:30:46,920 Speaker 2: hurt anything, all right, long term, all right, because I'm 603 00:30:46,920 --> 00:30:48,240 Speaker 2: not trying to make you go out and spend money. 604 00:30:48,240 --> 00:30:50,920 Speaker 2: You don't have to spend. But know that the day 605 00:30:51,000 --> 00:30:54,080 Speaker 2: that that particular fault occurred, it could have been the 606 00:30:54,160 --> 00:30:57,880 Speaker 2: result of cold weather. Cold weather makes rubber contract. It 607 00:30:58,320 --> 00:31:01,760 Speaker 2: definitely has an effect on the older Chrysler products. But 608 00:31:02,000 --> 00:31:05,000 Speaker 2: this could be a gas cap that's drying out. This 609 00:31:05,120 --> 00:31:08,240 Speaker 2: could be a failing ESOM, which, for the sake of 610 00:31:08,320 --> 00:31:10,640 Speaker 2: our conversation. We're going to consider the vent valve or 611 00:31:10,680 --> 00:31:13,040 Speaker 2: the back door of the house. This could have a 612 00:31:13,160 --> 00:31:18,080 Speaker 2: bad purge valve. This could also have if you were 613 00:31:18,160 --> 00:31:20,719 Speaker 2: to pop the hood and look underneath the hood, there 614 00:31:20,760 --> 00:31:26,800 Speaker 2: are plastic, black plastic lines with little rubber fittings on them. Correct. Yeah, 615 00:31:27,000 --> 00:31:30,800 Speaker 2: all those fittings are now. You know, when I'm fifteen, 616 00:31:30,920 --> 00:31:35,040 Speaker 2: eighteen sixty, seventeen years old, you know they're all getting 617 00:31:35,160 --> 00:31:37,360 Speaker 2: dry and brittle, so you want to make sure they're 618 00:31:37,400 --> 00:31:42,320 Speaker 2: all you know, holding there's no leaks there. So it's 619 00:31:42,480 --> 00:31:45,160 Speaker 2: tedious to fix one of these done, but it can 620 00:31:45,280 --> 00:31:47,760 Speaker 2: be done, and it can be done reasonably well. I 621 00:31:47,840 --> 00:31:51,520 Speaker 2: will tell you this. MS and purge valves are very common. 622 00:31:51,640 --> 00:31:53,520 Speaker 2: I tend to do them in pairs. Once I prove 623 00:31:53,600 --> 00:31:56,280 Speaker 2: one bed, I do them both because they've both been 624 00:31:56,360 --> 00:31:59,240 Speaker 2: exposed same amount of time, same amount of age, same 625 00:31:59,240 --> 00:32:02,400 Speaker 2: amount of rubber and so forth. But first step for 626 00:32:02,520 --> 00:32:05,600 Speaker 2: this is you really have to scan it to see 627 00:32:05,680 --> 00:32:08,480 Speaker 2: what code is in there, whether it's active or pending, 628 00:32:09,280 --> 00:32:11,280 Speaker 2: and then go from there. If you want to wait 629 00:32:11,320 --> 00:32:13,400 Speaker 2: till the light comes on and sets the fault, fine, 630 00:32:13,720 --> 00:32:15,960 Speaker 2: but keep the things in mind that I talked about 631 00:32:16,280 --> 00:32:17,800 Speaker 2: the ease of the purge and so on. And if 632 00:32:17,840 --> 00:32:19,280 Speaker 2: you want to hear this again, or if anybody wants 633 00:32:19,320 --> 00:32:21,400 Speaker 2: to hear this again, it'll be up on the podcast 634 00:32:21,520 --> 00:32:24,000 Speaker 2: in a couple of hours. So I appreciate it, don 635 00:32:24,480 --> 00:32:26,680 Speaker 2: and Merry Christmas to you. If you've got any more questions, 636 00:32:26,720 --> 00:32:30,280 Speaker 2: you know where to find me. And that about takes 637 00:32:30,320 --> 00:32:32,080 Speaker 2: us to where we have to be. I'm running ady 638 00:32:32,120 --> 00:32:34,160 Speaker 2: in the car. Doctor. We'll be back with something special 639 00:32:34,400 --> 00:32:45,040 Speaker 2: right after this. Twas the night before Christmas, and all 640 00:32:45,080 --> 00:32:47,960 Speaker 2: through the dark not a car was still broken. All 641 00:32:48,000 --> 00:32:51,040 Speaker 2: the plugs had their spark, the wrenches were stashed, all 642 00:32:51,080 --> 00:32:53,600 Speaker 2: snug in their boxes. Well, me by myself, was having 643 00:32:53,680 --> 00:32:57,600 Speaker 2: Christmas party leftovers, some bagels and loxes went out from 644 00:32:57,600 --> 00:32:59,720 Speaker 2: the lot. There rose such a clatter. I sprang to 645 00:32:59,800 --> 00:33:02,920 Speaker 2: my feet and yelled, hey, what's the matter now? What 646 00:33:03,120 --> 00:33:06,320 Speaker 2: to my bloodshot, tired eyes should appear? But some crazy 647 00:33:06,400 --> 00:33:10,240 Speaker 2: old guy one sleigh with reindeer. I winced, and I cried, 648 00:33:10,320 --> 00:33:12,560 Speaker 2: oh great, just one more. I'd rather sit back and 649 00:33:12,560 --> 00:33:15,160 Speaker 2: have a cup of tea and some s'mores. He approached 650 00:33:15,200 --> 00:33:17,320 Speaker 2: the front door with a smile so bright I quickly 651 00:33:17,400 --> 00:33:20,720 Speaker 2: unlocked it. And turned back on the office light. Excuse me, 652 00:33:20,840 --> 00:33:23,520 Speaker 2: kind sir, but I'm having some trouble. The left runner 653 00:33:23,560 --> 00:33:26,360 Speaker 2: on my sleigh has started to wobble. The balance is 654 00:33:26,400 --> 00:33:28,880 Speaker 2: wrong and it pulls to the right. The reindeer working 655 00:33:28,960 --> 00:33:31,520 Speaker 2: too hard this cold night. I have so much to 656 00:33:31,640 --> 00:33:33,480 Speaker 2: do and no time left to do it. Do you 657 00:33:33,640 --> 00:33:36,040 Speaker 2: think that it could well? Please get right to it 658 00:33:36,960 --> 00:33:39,120 Speaker 2: without saying a word, I went to work right away. 659 00:33:39,320 --> 00:33:39,640 Speaker 8: Too bad. 660 00:33:39,680 --> 00:33:42,880 Speaker 2: The alignment machine had no specks for a sleigh. Meanwhile, 661 00:33:42,960 --> 00:33:45,600 Speaker 2: the reindeer were prancing around that Roodolph in Common. What 662 00:33:45,720 --> 00:33:49,080 Speaker 2: a couple of clowns. In a matter of moments from 663 00:33:49,240 --> 00:33:51,680 Speaker 2: time one point two, the runner was straight and the 664 00:33:51,720 --> 00:33:54,680 Speaker 2: alignment done too. I helped him bloat up all the 665 00:33:54,720 --> 00:33:56,840 Speaker 2: presents but one. He left it to pay me for 666 00:33:57,000 --> 00:33:59,760 Speaker 2: cash he had none. I hope it's from snap on 667 00:34:00,160 --> 00:34:03,120 Speaker 2: a half inch drive air gun. He started the sleigh 668 00:34:03,120 --> 00:34:06,400 Speaker 2: by merely calling their names on Dasher and Dancer, Donna 669 00:34:06,480 --> 00:34:09,120 Speaker 2: and Blitzen. Get up off your butts, Rudolph, comment and 670 00:34:09,200 --> 00:34:12,279 Speaker 2: fix him. It started to idle and float in the air. 671 00:34:12,320 --> 00:34:15,120 Speaker 2: Then Rudolph lit up the sky with his nose extraordinary, 672 00:34:15,719 --> 00:34:18,279 Speaker 2: and I heard him exclaim This could have been quite 673 00:34:18,320 --> 00:34:22,600 Speaker 2: a mess. The car Doctor rings true. The mechanics aren't expensive, 674 00:34:23,040 --> 00:34:25,000 Speaker 2: they're really priceless. 675 00:34:37,680 --> 00:34:38,640 Speaker 3: And may 676 00:34:41,880 --> 00:34:45,239 Speaker 2: Chris Messus be