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Speaker 1: of the Bear Grease podcast called the bear Grease Render

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Speaker 1: All right, man, this is uh, this is like groundbreaking stuff.

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Speaker 1: This has never happened before in the in the bear

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Speaker 1: Black Bear Bonanzas. So for all the people that are

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Speaker 1: we love you all. Yeah. So we uh this this

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Speaker 1: saw our harvest in the state really take. This is

430
00:26:20,520 --> 00:26:23,679
Speaker 1: a principle too inside of wildlife. And I saw this

431
00:26:23,720 --> 00:26:25,680
Speaker 1: as a kid growing up in a part of Arkansas

432
00:26:25,760 --> 00:26:29,080
Speaker 1: that was a really good bear area. Is that because

433
00:26:29,200 --> 00:26:33,600
Speaker 1: it was really difficult to target bears, they held little value.

434
00:26:33,640 --> 00:26:36,240
Speaker 1: I would say, I mean for real like cultural value,

435
00:26:36,359 --> 00:26:39,560
Speaker 1: like my dad would tell you. I mean, it was

436
00:26:39,640 --> 00:26:41,520
Speaker 1: kind of like, man, you don't want to bear anywhere

437
00:26:41,560 --> 00:26:43,720
Speaker 1: around where you're hunting. They'll tear up your deer stands,

438
00:26:43,720 --> 00:26:46,600
Speaker 1: they'll tear up your deer feeders. Their trouble. And I

439
00:26:46,600 --> 00:26:50,520
Speaker 1: saw people killing bears and just kind of like, yeah,

440
00:26:50,560 --> 00:26:53,040
Speaker 1: I just I mean, almost like a trash animal, that

441
00:26:53,200 --> 00:26:55,119
Speaker 1: kind of a vermin mentality, and that that is not

442
00:26:55,200 --> 00:26:57,320
Speaker 1: a blanket statement. There were people that were killing them

443
00:26:57,320 --> 00:27:00,320
Speaker 1: and loving them like mo. But in general, I stand

444
00:27:00,359 --> 00:27:04,200
Speaker 1: by that that there wasn't a great incentive for someone

445
00:27:04,200 --> 00:27:06,200
Speaker 1: to be a bear hunter because it was so difficult.

446
00:27:06,440 --> 00:27:09,200
Speaker 1: And when they liberalized that season, all of a sudden,

447
00:27:09,520 --> 00:27:11,720
Speaker 1: we started hunting and we were like, holy cow, we

448
00:27:11,760 --> 00:27:14,760
Speaker 1: can actually go kill a bear. And we learned how

449
00:27:14,800 --> 00:27:17,359
Speaker 1: to bear hunt, we learned about bear meat, we learned

450
00:27:17,400 --> 00:27:20,439
Speaker 1: how to you know, we're still learning just kind of

451
00:27:20,480 --> 00:27:25,760
Speaker 1: this this how unique this wildlife commodity is. But I

452
00:27:25,960 --> 00:27:29,040
Speaker 1: I refused to let anybody tell me that bait and

453
00:27:29,080 --> 00:27:32,240
Speaker 1: bears is a negative thing, and you shouldn't either. Bear

454
00:27:32,359 --> 00:27:34,879
Speaker 1: It's a management tool for game agencies to harvest the

455
00:27:35,000 --> 00:27:37,359
Speaker 1: number of bears that they need to. And I'm on

456
00:27:37,400 --> 00:27:40,159
Speaker 1: the national platform a little bit. So people sometimes give

457
00:27:40,200 --> 00:27:44,480
Speaker 1: me a hard time, and I absolutely will run someone

458
00:27:44,520 --> 00:27:46,399
Speaker 1: into the ground if they say that hunting a bear

459
00:27:46,520 --> 00:27:50,159
Speaker 1: over bait isn't hard, isn't fair chase, or as a

460
00:27:50,240 --> 00:27:52,800
Speaker 1: lazy man's way to hunt. And I'm preaching to all

461
00:27:52,880 --> 00:27:56,320
Speaker 1: y'all hunting bears over bait is good, and don't ever

462
00:27:56,400 --> 00:27:58,400
Speaker 1: let anybody come in this state and say that it's

463
00:27:58,440 --> 00:28:02,080
Speaker 1: not and that and that's what they're doing. I mean,

464
00:28:02,600 --> 00:28:04,840
Speaker 1: it sounds like I'm preaching to acquire. That's like we

465
00:28:04,880 --> 00:28:08,720
Speaker 1: already know we're in the church. But a man in Maine,

466
00:28:09,119 --> 00:28:11,920
Speaker 1: the Humane Society United States, comes in and says, man,

467
00:28:12,000 --> 00:28:14,160
Speaker 1: baiting bears is you know, they come up with all

468
00:28:14,200 --> 00:28:17,240
Speaker 1: the reasons why that you shouldn't do it, and it's

469
00:28:17,280 --> 00:28:21,439
Speaker 1: so there there, it's there is a time when we

470
00:28:21,480 --> 00:28:23,960
Speaker 1: may have to be like, well, if we built it

471
00:28:24,040 --> 00:28:26,760
Speaker 1: strong enough, they won't ever you know, won't ever happen here.

472
00:28:26,760 --> 00:28:30,280
Speaker 1: But my point is from the day at the first

473
00:28:30,320 --> 00:28:32,760
Speaker 1: bear ever killed over bait, I was like, this is

474
00:28:32,800 --> 00:28:35,879
Speaker 1: a real deal. This is cool, and you don't have

475
00:28:35,960 --> 00:28:39,080
Speaker 1: to have access to private land and huntover bait to

476
00:28:39,160 --> 00:28:42,160
Speaker 1: kill a bear in Arkansas and we've proved that, and

477
00:28:42,480 --> 00:28:47,280
Speaker 1: guys like James has proved that. So they're definitely somebody

478
00:28:47,280 --> 00:28:49,280
Speaker 1: that has private land in Arkansas and some of the

479
00:28:49,360 --> 00:28:51,959
Speaker 1: key bear areas. Yeah, you got a leg up on us.

480
00:28:52,120 --> 00:28:53,960
Speaker 1: And I mean I'm one of those guys. I just

481
00:28:54,600 --> 00:28:56,440
Speaker 1: you know, there's some guys that were born in Stuck

482
00:28:56,480 --> 00:28:59,440
Speaker 1: Guard and have access to the world's best duck hunting.

483
00:28:59,720 --> 00:29:02,200
Speaker 1: There's some guys that were born in Iowa and have

484
00:29:02,320 --> 00:29:04,880
Speaker 1: the world's best white tail deer hunting. And then you

485
00:29:04,880 --> 00:29:08,280
Speaker 1: know so because I do hear that sometimes like guys

486
00:29:08,280 --> 00:29:11,440
Speaker 1: are like, well, private land guys get all the bears,

487
00:29:11,480 --> 00:29:15,760
Speaker 1: and it's like, man, it's just either to find fine

488
00:29:16,000 --> 00:29:18,320
Speaker 1: private land that you can hunt, which you can do,

489
00:29:19,120 --> 00:29:22,000
Speaker 1: or learn to hunt him a national forest, which you're

490
00:29:22,000 --> 00:29:24,760
Speaker 1: hearing me preach about hunting bears over bait and how

491
00:29:24,840 --> 00:29:27,360
Speaker 1: much I absolutely love it because you can be selective

492
00:29:27,760 --> 00:29:30,440
Speaker 1: and we can preach that because we are selective. I

493
00:29:30,520 --> 00:29:32,840
Speaker 1: hadn't killed the bear over bait in Arkansas since two

494
00:29:32,840 --> 00:29:35,480
Speaker 1: thousand six. Last year, I killed the first bear overbait

495
00:29:35,640 --> 00:29:38,040
Speaker 1: since two thousand and six in Arkansas, just because I'm

496
00:29:38,040 --> 00:29:41,720
Speaker 1: waiting on a five pound bear in a big male.

497
00:29:41,960 --> 00:29:45,320
Speaker 1: That's the truth. And if we're if we use the

498
00:29:45,360 --> 00:29:49,120
Speaker 1: system right and as bear hunters, we actually use baiting

499
00:29:49,160 --> 00:29:51,440
Speaker 1: as a method to be selective. And Mayer and I

500
00:29:51,440 --> 00:29:54,440
Speaker 1: have talked about this a lot. Letting the juveniles and

501
00:29:54,480 --> 00:29:59,120
Speaker 1: females go and actually being selective, we can we can

502
00:29:59,200 --> 00:30:02,040
Speaker 1: do a whole lot more than if we have a

503
00:30:02,040 --> 00:30:04,520
Speaker 1: harvest with a bunch of Souths. But I said all

504
00:30:04,520 --> 00:30:09,280
Speaker 1: that to say, um, hunting a bear in the national

505
00:30:09,360 --> 00:30:12,520
Speaker 1: forest on purpose, hunting them like deer is by far

506
00:30:12,720 --> 00:30:16,080
Speaker 1: the hardest hunt that I do in North America. Really,

507
00:30:16,600 --> 00:30:20,080
Speaker 1: I love it. And uh, and that's what Mo is

508
00:30:20,120 --> 00:30:22,560
Speaker 1: so good at and has done over the years. I've

509
00:30:22,560 --> 00:30:25,760
Speaker 1: taught him a lot of what he knows. But wait

510
00:30:25,800 --> 00:30:30,080
Speaker 1: a minute, the story is story change since earlier? Yeah,

511
00:30:33,040 --> 00:30:35,480
Speaker 1: I mean I was just a kid. I was in diapers,

512
00:30:36,640 --> 00:30:40,520
Speaker 1: know so, And I know there would be a mixed

513
00:30:40,520 --> 00:30:42,800
Speaker 1: group of people here. Some people to have access would

514
00:30:42,800 --> 00:30:44,840
Speaker 1: be really interested in baiting bears, and then another group

515
00:30:44,880 --> 00:30:47,480
Speaker 1: that might be interested in hunting bears and in in

516
00:30:47,560 --> 00:30:49,960
Speaker 1: big national forests. But Marn, do you have anything to

517
00:30:49,960 --> 00:30:51,400
Speaker 1: add to that. I kind of want to talk to

518
00:30:51,480 --> 00:30:54,440
Speaker 1: me about hunting bears and no, just that. I mean,

519
00:30:54,600 --> 00:30:56,600
Speaker 1: you know, in the in the in the world of

520
00:30:56,680 --> 00:30:59,720
Speaker 1: natural resource agencies, you know, I mean, if you're a

521
00:31:00,000 --> 00:31:02,920
Speaker 1: araftsman or tradesman or something, you just have a bag

522
00:31:02,960 --> 00:31:07,200
Speaker 1: of tools and you have you know, baiting. It's just

523
00:31:07,400 --> 00:31:10,840
Speaker 1: a it's a management tool, you know, for us to

524
00:31:10,880 --> 00:31:14,560
Speaker 1: get the objectives that we want out of our bear harvest.

525
00:31:14,640 --> 00:31:18,200
Speaker 1: You know, if if something happened by the wayside, I mean,

526
00:31:18,280 --> 00:31:21,280
Speaker 1: we would have to have a on baiting, we'd hey,

527
00:31:21,320 --> 00:31:24,560
Speaker 1: we'd certainly have to have another tool in the bag

528
00:31:24,760 --> 00:31:27,520
Speaker 1: that we could use to offer up the same type

529
00:31:27,560 --> 00:31:31,120
Speaker 1: of harvest numbers that we have today. So it's it's

530
00:31:31,120 --> 00:31:33,800
Speaker 1: a tool. Yeah, it's a tool. I can add to

531
00:31:33,840 --> 00:31:36,640
Speaker 1: that what you said earlier about the bears in the eighties,

532
00:31:36,680 --> 00:31:39,080
Speaker 1: through the early seasons and even into the nineties, until

533
00:31:39,120 --> 00:31:43,520
Speaker 1: they started baiting. I don't know how many people, friends, families,

534
00:31:43,760 --> 00:31:45,600
Speaker 1: people that I didn't even really know would come to

535
00:31:45,640 --> 00:31:47,600
Speaker 1: me when they knew I was bear hunting, you know,

536
00:31:47,680 --> 00:31:49,840
Speaker 1: just after bears. Of course I love the deer hunt too,

537
00:31:49,880 --> 00:31:52,520
Speaker 1: but I would take specific days I just bear hunt

538
00:31:52,560 --> 00:31:54,880
Speaker 1: during the season. They said, why are you wasting time

539
00:31:55,040 --> 00:31:59,880
Speaker 1: after them bears? The same thing Gary new But I

540
00:32:00,040 --> 00:32:02,000
Speaker 1: heard that from a lot of different people, in different

541
00:32:02,200 --> 00:32:03,840
Speaker 1: styles of people and everything. You know, why are you

542
00:32:03,880 --> 00:32:05,880
Speaker 1: wasting time hunting bear when you could be deer hunting?

543
00:32:05,920 --> 00:32:08,520
Speaker 1: I said, because I'm intrigued by it, you know, And

544
00:32:08,560 --> 00:32:09,920
Speaker 1: a lot of those people when I got my first

545
00:32:09,960 --> 00:32:13,680
Speaker 1: and nineteen ninety, I rubbed it in on them. I mean,

546
00:32:13,720 --> 00:32:16,160
Speaker 1: there's there's no doubt in my mind that baiting has

547
00:32:16,600 --> 00:32:20,400
Speaker 1: spawned a quote bear hunting culture in Arkansas, no doubt

548
00:32:20,440 --> 00:32:23,280
Speaker 1: about it. And we do have a bear hunting culture

549
00:32:23,320 --> 00:32:34,800
Speaker 1: in the state and its thriving. Yeah, I want I

550
00:32:34,880 --> 00:32:39,080
Speaker 1: want Moe to tell us a story of you know,

551
00:32:39,440 --> 00:32:42,200
Speaker 1: as a bear hunter. People that don't know a lot

552
00:32:42,240 --> 00:32:44,920
Speaker 1: about bear hunting and they hear you bear hunt, they're like,

553
00:32:45,000 --> 00:32:47,160
Speaker 1: have you ever been attacked by a bear? Have you

554
00:32:47,200 --> 00:32:50,720
Speaker 1: ever been in a sticky situation? And the truth of

555
00:32:50,760 --> 00:32:55,640
Speaker 1: it is, many minute times we're talking about bears, Brent,

556
00:32:58,000 --> 00:33:03,800
Speaker 1: they rely in Arkansas are bears. I mean it would

557
00:33:03,840 --> 00:33:06,520
Speaker 1: be if you said, Claire, I'll give you fifty thou

558
00:33:06,720 --> 00:33:08,600
Speaker 1: dollars if you can go out in the next ten

559
00:33:08,680 --> 00:33:11,520
Speaker 1: days and have a bear attack you. I don't think

560
00:33:11,520 --> 00:33:13,080
Speaker 1: I could do it. I mean, like you. You have

561
00:33:13,160 --> 00:33:16,920
Speaker 1: to Our bears typically are not aggressive, and very few

562
00:33:17,440 --> 00:33:21,440
Speaker 1: incidentss of human bear direct conflict and my right, Myron,

563
00:33:22,080 --> 00:33:27,240
Speaker 1: I mean it happens occasionally, But this story is one

564
00:33:27,280 --> 00:33:30,920
Speaker 1: of the closest that I've heard from around these parts.

565
00:33:30,960 --> 00:33:33,600
Speaker 1: But MO, tell us tell us your story of getting

566
00:33:33,680 --> 00:33:37,720
Speaker 1: kind of just scared version of it. So whatever version

567
00:33:37,720 --> 00:33:41,520
Speaker 1: you got to make a long story short. I left

568
00:33:41,520 --> 00:33:43,440
Speaker 1: my house one day. At the time, I was living

569
00:33:43,440 --> 00:33:46,720
Speaker 1: out in in the middle of national forest land, so

570
00:33:46,760 --> 00:33:49,920
Speaker 1: I could just hunt from my house. Uh. It was

571
00:33:49,960 --> 00:33:56,840
Speaker 1: early both season, and I just took off late morning.

572
00:33:56,880 --> 00:33:58,440
Speaker 1: I didn't even get up early to go that day.

573
00:33:58,480 --> 00:34:01,360
Speaker 1: I was just going to do scouting, mainly for deer bear.

574
00:34:01,440 --> 00:34:04,440
Speaker 1: It was early and I grabbed one of my recurve

575
00:34:04,480 --> 00:34:06,760
Speaker 1: bows and I took off from the house. And I

576
00:34:06,800 --> 00:34:10,040
Speaker 1: are so into my slip hunt, slipping around looking for sign.

577
00:34:10,320 --> 00:34:12,080
Speaker 1: I come up on a little bench there where there's

578
00:34:12,080 --> 00:34:14,560
Speaker 1: a lot of pop all bushes. People from marks don't

579
00:34:14,600 --> 00:34:16,120
Speaker 1: know what they are and what they look like. They

580
00:34:16,239 --> 00:34:18,440
Speaker 1: they're there real thick, they're not very big and you

581
00:34:18,440 --> 00:34:20,440
Speaker 1: can't see very far and when they got green leaves

582
00:34:20,440 --> 00:34:24,000
Speaker 1: on them. Anyway, I've seen some deer deer scat there,

583
00:34:24,040 --> 00:34:26,200
Speaker 1: and I thought, well, this might be a good place

584
00:34:26,239 --> 00:34:28,759
Speaker 1: to come back and bring a stand in deer hunt,

585
00:34:28,840 --> 00:34:33,440
Speaker 1: you know. And where was that? Uh, that's kind of

586
00:34:33,440 --> 00:34:36,640
Speaker 1: a secret I don't like. Hey, y'all, remember Mo was

587
00:34:36,680 --> 00:34:40,120
Speaker 1: on my secret podcast? Did did y'all hear that he

588
00:34:40,239 --> 00:34:48,400
Speaker 1: keeps secrets? Anyway? I don't, you don't need to know. Anyway,

589
00:34:49,760 --> 00:34:51,200
Speaker 1: I was going through and I thought this might be

590
00:34:51,200 --> 00:34:53,120
Speaker 1: a good place to come back and bow hunt, you know,

591
00:34:53,160 --> 00:34:55,319
Speaker 1: and bring a stand. And then about the time some

592
00:34:55,400 --> 00:34:58,319
Speaker 1: movement caught my eyes, got very far from me, and

593
00:34:58,400 --> 00:35:00,160
Speaker 1: I kind of looked in front of me of the

594
00:35:00,160 --> 00:35:03,359
Speaker 1: Papa bushes, and I saw a small bear cup. I thought,

595
00:35:03,440 --> 00:35:07,560
Speaker 1: there's a little bear cup. That's pretty cool. Mama. The

596
00:35:07,600 --> 00:35:10,359
Speaker 1: cub was just had been born that during the winter

597
00:35:10,440 --> 00:35:12,359
Speaker 1: that year. It was probably twenty pounds or something other,

598
00:35:12,520 --> 00:35:14,839
Speaker 1: maybe twenty five and not very big, but a small dog.

599
00:35:15,920 --> 00:35:19,920
Speaker 1: And I thought where man probably handled that cub before,

600
00:35:20,160 --> 00:35:23,600
Speaker 1: handled about every cub, and especially in that secret spot up.

601
00:35:23,760 --> 00:35:27,839
Speaker 1: I know he's been up there. But anyway, I thought, well,

602
00:35:27,840 --> 00:35:29,319
Speaker 1: Mama was round here somewhere. I need to find where

603
00:35:29,320 --> 00:35:31,640
Speaker 1: she's at because I need to if she shows up,

604
00:35:31,640 --> 00:35:32,960
Speaker 1: I need to let her know where I'm here and

605
00:35:33,000 --> 00:35:35,000
Speaker 1: just ease my way out of here, because I'd run

606
00:35:35,040 --> 00:35:40,000
Speaker 1: across thousand cups of numerous times over the years, and

607
00:35:40,040 --> 00:35:42,239
Speaker 1: I I was smoking for her. And about that time,

608
00:35:42,280 --> 00:35:45,280
Speaker 1: I've seen movement where this and come from this small

609
00:35:45,320 --> 00:35:48,600
Speaker 1: bear and there's another cup. I thought, well, that's cool,

610
00:35:48,600 --> 00:35:51,799
Speaker 1: there's two cup. But I still haven't seen Mama yet. Yeah,

611
00:35:51,840 --> 00:35:58,200
Speaker 1: the bear factory was generating right there, and anyway, I thought, well,

612
00:35:58,239 --> 00:35:59,680
Speaker 1: I'll just let him pass on by it. I'll just

613
00:35:59,719 --> 00:36:01,279
Speaker 1: keep it out for her. And they keep going around

614
00:36:01,280 --> 00:36:03,640
Speaker 1: the hill, but you know they won't be no problem

615
00:36:03,719 --> 00:36:06,880
Speaker 1: or nothing. Well, about that time, the two little peckerwood

616
00:36:06,960 --> 00:36:10,000
Speaker 1: bears here, they come right towards me to start mos

617
00:36:10,080 --> 00:36:12,160
Speaker 1: and playing and pushing on each other. And they come

618
00:36:12,160 --> 00:36:15,640
Speaker 1: towards me, get closer. They get with probably ten fifteen yards.

619
00:36:15,680 --> 00:36:18,799
Speaker 1: I mean, that ain't good. They're gonna get way too close.

620
00:36:18,840 --> 00:36:22,600
Speaker 1: And I still haven't found Mama yet, so I don't

621
00:36:22,600 --> 00:36:24,839
Speaker 1: care if I talked to him or motion myself, but

622
00:36:24,880 --> 00:36:27,600
Speaker 1: I got their attention, and they both just stopped and looked,

623
00:36:27,920 --> 00:36:29,520
Speaker 1: and I think I'm even kind of waved my bow

624
00:36:29,600 --> 00:36:32,000
Speaker 1: at him. Or something other maybe said something real light.

625
00:36:32,360 --> 00:36:36,359
Speaker 1: They just jumped into the bushes out of sight. I thought, well,

626
00:36:36,360 --> 00:36:38,719
Speaker 1: that's good, but I thought I still haven't seen Mom yet,

627
00:36:39,640 --> 00:36:41,560
Speaker 1: So I went to just back up and get out there,

628
00:36:41,560 --> 00:36:42,920
Speaker 1: but I kept looking because I didn't know if she

629
00:36:43,000 --> 00:36:45,440
Speaker 1: might be behind me or where she was at. And

630
00:36:45,480 --> 00:36:48,120
Speaker 1: about that time I see movement. Here comes MoMA out

631
00:36:48,280 --> 00:36:50,520
Speaker 1: right where the cubs did out there, about twenty five yards,

632
00:36:52,280 --> 00:36:54,239
Speaker 1: and she had her nose down to sniffing the like

633
00:36:54,400 --> 00:36:57,160
Speaker 1: mama's dooce. He was following her cubs around, just staying

634
00:36:57,200 --> 00:37:01,279
Speaker 1: where there is at And I thought, well, I need

635
00:37:01,320 --> 00:37:03,120
Speaker 1: to let her know I'm here or to see what happens.

636
00:37:03,239 --> 00:37:05,200
Speaker 1: So I think I just sat there for a few seconds,

637
00:37:05,320 --> 00:37:07,600
Speaker 1: and then she turned sniffing and started coming the same

638
00:37:07,600 --> 00:37:11,000
Speaker 1: way they did towards me. I thought, this ain't good,

639
00:37:11,040 --> 00:37:13,359
Speaker 1: This is not good. How big would you say she was?

640
00:37:13,600 --> 00:37:20,160
Speaker 1: She was your average salth bear out in the mountains.

641
00:37:20,280 --> 00:37:22,200
Speaker 1: I would say she was a hundred and fifty hundred

642
00:37:22,239 --> 00:37:25,160
Speaker 1: senty pounds. This is honest, man. You think you can

643
00:37:25,200 --> 00:37:29,239
Speaker 1: buy that, can't you? And looked like she was not

644
00:37:29,400 --> 00:37:31,120
Speaker 1: that old bear. I figured that might even been her

645
00:37:31,120 --> 00:37:33,200
Speaker 1: first cubs she'd ever had, you know. But oh, now

646
00:37:33,200 --> 00:37:36,080
Speaker 1: we're speculating. I'm speculating like you do all the time.

647
00:37:36,160 --> 00:37:42,600
Speaker 1: So anyway, anyway, she started that same direction, I thought,

648
00:37:42,640 --> 00:37:44,880
Speaker 1: I gotta do something, so I think I just in

649
00:37:44,880 --> 00:37:46,960
Speaker 1: a soft voice, said hey bear, hey bear, hey bear,

650
00:37:47,120 --> 00:37:49,120
Speaker 1: And she looked at me and raise her head up

651
00:37:49,120 --> 00:37:51,759
Speaker 1: and looked at me on all fours. I thought, I

652
00:37:51,800 --> 00:37:53,160
Speaker 1: gotta get out here. So I knew where she was

653
00:37:53,200 --> 00:37:54,920
Speaker 1: at then, so I'm gonna start backing up. Well, I'll

654
00:37:54,960 --> 00:37:56,600
Speaker 1: start backing up and just talking to her, and she

655
00:37:56,719 --> 00:38:01,600
Speaker 1: just stand there looking at me. And then I don't

656
00:38:01,600 --> 00:38:03,760
Speaker 1: know exactly what happened. I remember all of a sudden,

657
00:38:03,880 --> 00:38:07,600
Speaker 1: one of those cubs made a little balls and I

658
00:38:07,640 --> 00:38:09,239
Speaker 1: looked at my left and he climbed a pop off

659
00:38:09,280 --> 00:38:12,640
Speaker 1: bush right beside me. Right, No, I mean like for

660
00:38:12,760 --> 00:38:14,600
Speaker 1: me to you just right there, and I'm like, this

661
00:38:14,760 --> 00:38:17,919
Speaker 1: is not good. And when he done that, you could

662
00:38:17,920 --> 00:38:21,319
Speaker 1: see her demean your chains. Her hair bristled up, she

663
00:38:21,480 --> 00:38:24,080
Speaker 1: puffed up, you know. I just I don't know. I

664
00:38:24,120 --> 00:38:28,319
Speaker 1: know you've probably seen him do that. And when she'd

665
00:38:28,320 --> 00:38:29,759
Speaker 1: done that, I thought, well, I gotta do something, so

666
00:38:29,800 --> 00:38:31,520
Speaker 1: I went to back up and before I even knew

667
00:38:31,520 --> 00:38:33,200
Speaker 1: what happened, she made it kind of a dust them

668
00:38:34,239 --> 00:38:36,080
Speaker 1: like that, and she was on me before I could

669
00:38:36,080 --> 00:38:38,720
Speaker 1: even move. I mean, just bam right on my face,

670
00:38:38,760 --> 00:38:40,680
Speaker 1: snapping her teeth, and I stuck my bowl up in

671
00:38:40,680 --> 00:38:43,440
Speaker 1: her face like that between me and her, and just

672
00:38:43,600 --> 00:38:46,560
Speaker 1: started holler at her, backing up. She was biting, snapping

673
00:38:46,600 --> 00:38:51,400
Speaker 1: at my bow. And once I remember she swatted at me,

674
00:38:51,440 --> 00:38:53,239
Speaker 1: but I think she was trying to scare me by

675
00:38:53,280 --> 00:38:57,080
Speaker 1: swatting leaves off the ground or whatever. And uh, but

676
00:38:57,160 --> 00:38:58,960
Speaker 1: then she made a big lunge at me, and I

677
00:38:58,960 --> 00:39:00,600
Speaker 1: don't even know if I was at he or what caused,

678
00:39:00,640 --> 00:39:02,200
Speaker 1: but she loaned to me like she was gonna try

679
00:39:02,200 --> 00:39:04,040
Speaker 1: to knock me down or bite me or something other.

680
00:39:04,160 --> 00:39:05,759
Speaker 1: And I just remember raising up and I kicked her

681
00:39:05,800 --> 00:39:09,160
Speaker 1: out in the face with my boot and it just stoner.

682
00:39:09,280 --> 00:39:11,359
Speaker 1: She just froze like that, and I really got loud

683
00:39:11,400 --> 00:39:12,920
Speaker 1: in I won't repeat some of the things I was

684
00:39:12,960 --> 00:39:17,160
Speaker 1: probably saying, but I just kept backing up and hollering

685
00:39:17,200 --> 00:39:19,960
Speaker 1: at her and hollering at her, and I guess I

686
00:39:20,000 --> 00:39:23,120
Speaker 1: got far enough that that she didn't I think there

687
00:39:23,160 --> 00:39:25,280
Speaker 1: was any danger, and I don't remember if the cub

688
00:39:25,400 --> 00:39:28,200
Speaker 1: made another ball sound or what. But then she acted

689
00:39:28,239 --> 00:39:30,080
Speaker 1: to gress again. She started towards me again, and I

690
00:39:30,080 --> 00:39:32,120
Speaker 1: got real loud that time, and I even poked at

691
00:39:32,120 --> 00:39:34,959
Speaker 1: her with my bow. She stopped again. I just kept

692
00:39:34,960 --> 00:39:38,080
Speaker 1: backing up, hollering real loud, I mean really loud, and

693
00:39:38,200 --> 00:39:39,960
Speaker 1: I finally got knock plumb out of side of her.

694
00:39:40,000 --> 00:39:42,399
Speaker 1: But she finally just stood there and froze when she did.

695
00:39:42,680 --> 00:39:44,279
Speaker 1: While I was backing up, she turned and went over

696
00:39:44,320 --> 00:39:46,919
Speaker 1: into the bushes where the cubs were, and she kind

697
00:39:46,960 --> 00:39:50,759
Speaker 1: of I don't remember she ballard at him or whether

698
00:39:50,800 --> 00:39:52,520
Speaker 1: she swat him. Anyway, she got that one off the

699
00:39:52,520 --> 00:39:53,879
Speaker 1: tree and it was still the ground, and I seen

700
00:39:53,920 --> 00:39:55,680
Speaker 1: him move off into the pop up bushes. So I

701
00:39:55,719 --> 00:39:57,680
Speaker 1: just kept backing up fast and got quite a ways

702
00:39:57,760 --> 00:40:02,160
Speaker 1: from him, and I caught my earth and then I

703
00:40:02,200 --> 00:40:03,920
Speaker 1: think there was actually a log, and I sat down

704
00:40:03,920 --> 00:40:05,799
Speaker 1: on just the rest. I was probably two yards where

705
00:40:05,800 --> 00:40:07,680
Speaker 1: the bears was that thinking about what had just happened,

706
00:40:08,000 --> 00:40:10,160
Speaker 1: and then I realized the I carry a quiver on

707
00:40:10,160 --> 00:40:12,439
Speaker 1: my side, and I had an arrow with a broad

708
00:40:12,480 --> 00:40:14,440
Speaker 1: head in my hand, and I never remembered getting it

709
00:40:14,480 --> 00:40:16,640
Speaker 1: out of my quiver. I don't know if I was

710
00:40:16,680 --> 00:40:19,080
Speaker 1: thinking in my mind that she was gonna get me

711
00:40:19,160 --> 00:40:21,480
Speaker 1: down to what. I don't know, but I had it

712
00:40:21,520 --> 00:40:23,520
Speaker 1: in my hand and I thought, I don't even remember

713
00:40:23,560 --> 00:40:27,160
Speaker 1: doing this, and then I got up and went home

714
00:40:27,200 --> 00:40:32,200
Speaker 1: and and that was a story for sure. That's that's amazing.

715
00:40:32,520 --> 00:40:34,480
Speaker 1: What what year about? What year would that have been?

716
00:40:34,600 --> 00:40:41,520
Speaker 1: That was probably two thousands six, two thousand seven, So yeah, yeah,

717
00:40:41,680 --> 00:40:46,480
Speaker 1: not old like I am, so wow, you know, I

718
00:40:46,480 --> 00:40:51,200
Speaker 1: I've only heard I've only heard one other story that

719
00:40:51,280 --> 00:40:53,239
Speaker 1: kind of rivals that, and I can only tell it

720
00:40:53,360 --> 00:40:55,439
Speaker 1: second hand, and I'll do it real quickly. And it's

721
00:40:55,440 --> 00:40:57,600
Speaker 1: an Arkansas based story. Now, you can go a lot

722
00:40:57,640 --> 00:41:00,560
Speaker 1: of different places and get bear stories, and and you know,

723
00:41:01,440 --> 00:41:04,439
Speaker 1: grizzly bears out west is a whole different ball game.

724
00:41:04,880 --> 00:41:07,560
Speaker 1: Like you know, our black bears are just not that aggressive.

725
00:41:07,600 --> 00:41:11,080
Speaker 1: Typically grizzly bears are for real, they'll eat you and

726
00:41:11,160 --> 00:41:13,319
Speaker 1: hurt you. You know. So if you're in the in

727
00:41:13,360 --> 00:41:17,239
Speaker 1: the greater Yellowstone region where there are grizzly bears in

728
00:41:17,280 --> 00:41:19,719
Speaker 1: the lower forty A, it's a different story. But for here,

729
00:41:20,200 --> 00:41:23,479
Speaker 1: that story right there is pretty pretty wild coming from

730
00:41:23,920 --> 00:41:27,040
Speaker 1: you know, coming from somebody that's that that is reputable.

731
00:41:27,160 --> 00:41:30,640
Speaker 1: Like Mr mo Um, I had a I had a friend,

732
00:41:30,880 --> 00:41:33,839
Speaker 1: and I'm telling his story second hand. He was he

733
00:41:33,880 --> 00:41:36,520
Speaker 1: was bow hunting and used a climber tree stand in

734
00:41:36,560 --> 00:41:38,919
Speaker 1: the wash dolls and setting up in a big pine tree,

735
00:41:38,960 --> 00:41:41,359
Speaker 1: way up a pine tree. And he had walked in

736
00:41:41,400 --> 00:41:44,760
Speaker 1: that morning in the dark, well just after daylight, whatever time.

737
00:41:44,920 --> 00:41:47,520
Speaker 1: He sees a bear and he has no interest in

738
00:41:47,560 --> 00:41:50,600
Speaker 1: shooting a bear. He could have his bow season. And

739
00:41:50,960 --> 00:41:53,480
Speaker 1: this bear has his nose on the ground like a

740
00:41:53,560 --> 00:41:56,719
Speaker 1: hound and it's trailing him, just walking right there. He

741
00:41:56,760 --> 00:41:58,759
Speaker 1: walked and he was just like, huh, that's kind of

742
00:41:58,800 --> 00:42:04,440
Speaker 1: odd and uh. And the bear just comes right up

743
00:42:04,480 --> 00:42:08,200
Speaker 1: under his tree stand, sniffs up the tree and just

744
00:42:08,239 --> 00:42:13,480
Speaker 1: look straight up at him. And he, as I remember

745
00:42:13,520 --> 00:42:15,560
Speaker 1: the story being told, you know, he talked to the

746
00:42:15,600 --> 00:42:18,120
Speaker 1: bear just like hey, eat at here, you know, and

747
00:42:18,160 --> 00:42:20,799
Speaker 1: the bear started copping its teeth at him and kind

748
00:42:20,800 --> 00:42:24,879
Speaker 1: of getting bristly. And the bear walked off and kind

749
00:42:24,880 --> 00:42:27,200
Speaker 1: of did it they when they get aggressive, they kind

750
00:42:27,200 --> 00:42:30,320
Speaker 1: of bristle up and kind of kind of strut almost

751
00:42:30,360 --> 00:42:33,359
Speaker 1: like a turkey. But he walked out there and then

752
00:42:33,360 --> 00:42:38,360
Speaker 1: he he whether he ran back, but basically a cycle

753
00:42:38,440 --> 00:42:41,279
Speaker 1: of three or four times that bear would run to

754
00:42:41,320 --> 00:42:43,520
Speaker 1: the base of his tree and it would run up

755
00:42:43,560 --> 00:42:45,879
Speaker 1: like two or two or three jumps, and then he

756
00:42:45,920 --> 00:42:48,440
Speaker 1: was like, hey, you know he his intensity went up

757
00:42:48,880 --> 00:42:51,160
Speaker 1: and it came up like halfway up the tree. It

758
00:42:51,280 --> 00:42:55,600
Speaker 1: went down and before you know it, that bear, he said,

759
00:42:55,719 --> 00:42:59,400
Speaker 1: was coming over the top of his his his tree stand,

760
00:43:00,080 --> 00:43:02,080
Speaker 1: and he had a bow and he was trying to

761
00:43:02,120 --> 00:43:04,480
Speaker 1: shoot it when it was coming up the tree. But

762
00:43:04,560 --> 00:43:08,080
Speaker 1: every time he leaned out, his arab came off the rest.

763
00:43:08,160 --> 00:43:09,840
Speaker 1: If you're a bow hunter, you know what I'm talking about.

764
00:43:10,040 --> 00:43:13,480
Speaker 1: You're trying to shoot straight down. And he could not

765
00:43:13,560 --> 00:43:17,160
Speaker 1: shoot that bear until he was able to be about

766
00:43:17,200 --> 00:43:20,080
Speaker 1: like this, and he shot that bear right in the

767
00:43:20,120 --> 00:43:25,960
Speaker 1: throat when it was even with him. Yep. And uh. Anyway,

768
00:43:26,080 --> 00:43:29,319
Speaker 1: that that that story was told to me boy, and

769
00:43:29,360 --> 00:43:32,600
Speaker 1: I know the guy that happened to and um anyway,

770
00:43:32,600 --> 00:43:36,440
Speaker 1: why that's a wild story too. It was well, he

771
00:43:36,520 --> 00:43:40,200
Speaker 1: never recovered the bear. The bear dropped out of the tree,

772
00:43:40,560 --> 00:43:43,520
Speaker 1: ran off and never found it. He believed it to

773
00:43:43,560 --> 00:43:48,200
Speaker 1: be a juvenile male, which makes sense, doesn't it really?

774
00:43:48,760 --> 00:43:51,399
Speaker 1: Do you do you know any wild stories? My man

775
00:43:51,880 --> 00:43:55,400
Speaker 1: in the tree today. He never came down. He texted

776
00:43:55,440 --> 00:44:03,520
Speaker 1: me that battery ran out. I mean, uh, Moses, probably

777
00:44:03,560 --> 00:44:05,839
Speaker 1: about the craziest one that I've heard. But I mean

778
00:44:05,880 --> 00:44:08,759
Speaker 1: I can working with bears as many years as I have,

779
00:44:09,040 --> 00:44:14,560
Speaker 1: I can absolutely see what happened to you as being, yeah,

780
00:44:14,600 --> 00:44:17,520
Speaker 1: a legitimate deal. And you know, I mean doing all

781
00:44:17,520 --> 00:44:19,640
Speaker 1: the den work that I've done over the years and

782
00:44:19,680 --> 00:44:23,239
Speaker 1: everything else, having females with cubs and all that, I mean,

783
00:44:23,600 --> 00:44:26,560
Speaker 1: sure they can be protective every you know, the adage

784
00:44:26,600 --> 00:44:30,000
Speaker 1: mama bear, I mean, you know that's saying came about

785
00:44:30,160 --> 00:44:33,120
Speaker 1: because of a reason, because mama bears can be so

786
00:44:33,239 --> 00:44:37,120
Speaker 1: protective of their cubs. But you know, outside of that

787
00:44:37,200 --> 00:44:41,000
Speaker 1: particular scenario, I mean, black bears just inherently aren't known

788
00:44:41,160 --> 00:44:46,720
Speaker 1: to exhibit predatory behavior like a grizzly bearriers or something

789
00:44:46,760 --> 00:44:50,040
Speaker 1: like that. They have had black bear attacks in British

790
00:44:50,040 --> 00:44:53,319
Speaker 1: Columbia is some places up north, you know, predatory black

791
00:44:53,360 --> 00:44:57,040
Speaker 1: bear attacks, but we probably have a standard. Yeah, a

792
00:44:57,120 --> 00:45:01,240
Speaker 1: predatory attack would be a bear seeking you, actually stalking,

793
00:45:01,440 --> 00:45:05,040
Speaker 1: walking you down and sizing you up. And it's a

794
00:45:05,160 --> 00:45:10,040
Speaker 1: very distinct behavior pattern. And uh so it's uh, I mean,

795
00:45:10,480 --> 00:45:14,440
Speaker 1: you know bears or bears. Yeah, yeah, nun we ever

796
00:45:14,480 --> 00:45:17,160
Speaker 1: had any tough bearon counts usually make you talk. Well.

797
00:45:19,239 --> 00:45:22,120
Speaker 1: I was just thinking your story kind of reminded me

798
00:45:22,200 --> 00:45:24,600
Speaker 1: and your story of last week. My son was playing

799
00:45:24,640 --> 00:45:26,520
Speaker 1: basketball and someone fold them and I kind of felt

800
00:45:26,840 --> 00:45:32,080
Speaker 1: some of those same urges of that mama stabbing my teeth,

801
00:45:32,160 --> 00:45:35,280
Speaker 1: you know. But I thought what Maron was talking about,

802
00:45:35,320 --> 00:45:37,640
Speaker 1: the how the old timers in Arkansas will talk about

803
00:45:37,640 --> 00:45:40,120
Speaker 1: how they saw bears in the thirties and forties, and

804
00:45:40,160 --> 00:45:43,399
Speaker 1: Clay knows this story. But my great grandpa was uh

805
00:45:43,880 --> 00:45:46,759
Speaker 1: kind of a legendary man in our little tiny town

806
00:45:46,840 --> 00:45:49,200
Speaker 1: of four hundred my brothers here, and he could he

807
00:45:49,239 --> 00:45:51,520
Speaker 1: could attest to if when people found out that that

808
00:45:51,600 --> 00:45:54,400
Speaker 1: was our great grandpa, they'd be like, oh, lose Joplin.

809
00:45:54,480 --> 00:45:56,839
Speaker 1: Strongest man I ever knew. At one time he killed

810
00:45:56,840 --> 00:45:58,840
Speaker 1: a bear with his bear hands, and that was like

811
00:45:58,840 --> 00:46:00,759
Speaker 1: an actual thing. We heard he killed a bear with

812
00:46:00,800 --> 00:46:08,839
Speaker 1: his bear hands. When when when we do that? Well,

813
00:46:08,840 --> 00:46:10,400
Speaker 1: well I was going to tell him is that? And

814
00:46:10,440 --> 00:46:13,879
Speaker 1: so when I started dating Clay, um, I told him

815
00:46:14,080 --> 00:46:20,239
Speaker 1: like he's he was interested in grandall with his hands

816
00:46:23,120 --> 00:46:25,080
Speaker 1: and we would hear stories about him like that he

817
00:46:25,120 --> 00:46:27,400
Speaker 1: caught logs. You know, you kind of just don't believe

818
00:46:27,440 --> 00:46:29,839
Speaker 1: stories like that, like I saw a truck, a whole

819
00:46:29,840 --> 00:46:32,160
Speaker 1: truck of logs. He caught him with his own back.

820
00:46:32,440 --> 00:46:35,000
Speaker 1: We kind of, you know, try to get him to

821
00:46:35,000 --> 00:46:36,920
Speaker 1: talk about it. He was a pretty humble guy, and

822
00:46:36,960 --> 00:46:38,919
Speaker 1: sometimes he would be like, oh yeah, and he would

823
00:46:38,960 --> 00:46:43,560
Speaker 1: just real mildly be like, basically, no, no arrogance whatsoever.

824
00:46:43,600 --> 00:46:46,000
Speaker 1: Tell us, yeah, I did catch an entire the thing

825
00:46:46,040 --> 00:46:47,800
Speaker 1: of log So we you hear these stories enough. And

826
00:46:47,840 --> 00:46:49,640
Speaker 1: I told play when we started dating. I don't know

827
00:46:49,640 --> 00:46:52,439
Speaker 1: if it's true, but everyone in town tells me he

828
00:46:52,560 --> 00:46:55,839
Speaker 1: killed the bell. I do he researched it. I went

829
00:46:55,880 --> 00:46:58,080
Speaker 1: and asked him. He was eighty nine at the time,

830
00:46:58,160 --> 00:47:00,920
Speaker 1: so this would We've been married for years, so it

831
00:47:00,960 --> 00:47:06,280
Speaker 1: would have been Yeah, it was while we were dating,

832
00:47:06,320 --> 00:47:08,440
Speaker 1: so it would have been, you know, right at the

833
00:47:08,560 --> 00:47:10,960
Speaker 1: end of his life. And uh. And I asked him,

834
00:47:11,000 --> 00:47:13,080
Speaker 1: I said, did you kill a bear with your bare hands?

835
00:47:13,160 --> 00:47:15,239
Speaker 1: And he said, he said no, but I killed one

836
00:47:15,280 --> 00:47:18,640
Speaker 1: with a rock. And what happened when he was it

837
00:47:18,680 --> 00:47:20,440
Speaker 1: was I think we figured it to be. In the

838
00:47:20,520 --> 00:47:24,200
Speaker 1: nineteen thirties in in Polk County. So this is a

839
00:47:24,280 --> 00:47:27,800
Speaker 1: real deal. He he lived right around Hatfield, Arkansas, on

840
00:47:27,840 --> 00:47:30,320
Speaker 1: Polk County, and he said he was walking home from school.

841
00:47:30,320 --> 00:47:32,400
Speaker 1: One maybe not school, I don't know. He was just

842
00:47:32,560 --> 00:47:36,640
Speaker 1: under twenty. You know, he was a kid. So do

843
00:47:36,680 --> 00:47:39,759
Speaker 1: the math when it would have been. It probably it

844
00:47:39,800 --> 00:47:41,319
Speaker 1: may have even been in the twenties. I think it

845
00:47:41,400 --> 00:47:43,160
Speaker 1: was in the twenties, and I think he was It's

846
00:47:43,160 --> 00:47:44,880
Speaker 1: been a long time, so we've done the math um.

847
00:47:44,920 --> 00:47:46,799
Speaker 1: But he said that he was walking home and he

848
00:47:46,800 --> 00:47:48,759
Speaker 1: saw a bear cub a cross the road in front

849
00:47:48,800 --> 00:47:51,560
Speaker 1: of him and run up a sapling and he just

850
00:47:51,600 --> 00:47:53,440
Speaker 1: picked up I mean, just what would a kid do

851
00:47:53,600 --> 00:47:56,239
Speaker 1: back in those days. He picks up a rock and

852
00:47:56,280 --> 00:47:58,759
Speaker 1: starts chunking rocks at this bear. And you know at

853
00:47:58,800 --> 00:48:00,600
Speaker 1: that time, I mean, you can't amen, I mean, this

854
00:48:00,960 --> 00:48:03,000
Speaker 1: is a vermin. I mean, these people were trying to

855
00:48:03,040 --> 00:48:07,160
Speaker 1: make a living off the land. And what I thought

856
00:48:07,160 --> 00:48:11,960
Speaker 1: he was scared? Yeah, he anyway, and he he knocked

857
00:48:11,960 --> 00:48:14,400
Speaker 1: it out of that tree and killed it. And uh.

858
00:48:14,440 --> 00:48:17,680
Speaker 1: But why that story is unique, and what we've talked

859
00:48:17,719 --> 00:48:20,040
Speaker 1: about is that I have to go back and do

860
00:48:20,120 --> 00:48:22,000
Speaker 1: the actual math of how old he was when he

861
00:48:22,040 --> 00:48:23,279
Speaker 1: died and when it all happened, But it would have

862
00:48:23,280 --> 00:48:25,760
Speaker 1: been probably in the nineteen twenties, which we're not supposed

863
00:48:25,760 --> 00:48:28,279
Speaker 1: to be bears in western Arkansas during exactly. I mean,

864
00:48:28,320 --> 00:48:30,520
Speaker 1: there's no doubt in my mind there was rainnant bears

865
00:48:30,600 --> 00:48:34,440
Speaker 1: running around, you know. Yeah. Yeah, Paball believed there shouldn't

866
00:48:34,440 --> 00:48:37,600
Speaker 1: be anything. Yeah, if I see a bear, I'm like

867
00:48:37,760 --> 00:48:45,600
Speaker 1: killing Yeah, yeah he did. That's what happened to the dinosaurs. Yeah. Um, hey,

868
00:48:45,760 --> 00:48:49,560
Speaker 1: we're we're gonna I want to transition to talking a

869
00:48:49,560 --> 00:48:53,719
Speaker 1: little bit about like how to kill a bear. And

870
00:48:53,800 --> 00:48:55,880
Speaker 1: you know, there's a thousand different things we could talk about.

871
00:48:55,960 --> 00:48:59,080
Speaker 1: But James a couple of years ago killed a bear

872
00:48:59,160 --> 00:49:02,640
Speaker 1: and National for Us on purpose, non incidental kill, like

873
00:49:02,800 --> 00:49:06,560
Speaker 1: very much so on purpose. And uh, I think sometimes

874
00:49:06,600 --> 00:49:09,200
Speaker 1: that's the most accessible way for somebody to haunts, just

875
00:49:09,239 --> 00:49:11,560
Speaker 1: go out in national forest. That being said, I think

876
00:49:11,560 --> 00:49:15,640
Speaker 1: you should go somewhere else. You shouldn't hunt here. Um

877
00:49:15,800 --> 00:49:23,840
Speaker 1: they're not laughing. Um, now, it's no no stretch to

878
00:49:23,840 --> 00:49:26,160
Speaker 1: say that killing a bear National Forest in Arkansas or

879
00:49:26,200 --> 00:49:30,840
Speaker 1: Oklahoma or Missouri is a very difficult hunt, but a

880
00:49:30,960 --> 00:49:35,439
Speaker 1: doable hunt. And uh, James did it. The first year

881
00:49:35,480 --> 00:49:37,680
Speaker 1: he tried, which don't be encouraged by that, and you

882
00:49:37,800 --> 00:49:43,080
Speaker 1: probably can't. Um I tried it for the Daniel Boone

883
00:49:43,120 --> 00:49:46,239
Speaker 1: when Daniel Boone went into Kentucky, crossed the Cumberland Gap

884
00:49:46,320 --> 00:49:50,239
Speaker 1: and came back after just like my life. Okay, we'll

885
00:49:50,280 --> 00:49:52,040
Speaker 1: be talking about something like you know that reminds me

886
00:49:52,080 --> 00:49:55,719
Speaker 1: of Daniel Boone. I like to talk it misty to

887
00:49:56,120 --> 00:50:02,719
Speaker 1: talk at James, James, you're talking, Listen to talk. Yeah,

888
00:50:02,760 --> 00:50:05,640
Speaker 1: I mean, I guess so so Daniel bo when he

889
00:50:05,640 --> 00:50:07,680
Speaker 1: went into Kentucky and for two years went on the

890
00:50:07,719 --> 00:50:10,240
Speaker 1: Big trap Line, and I mean there was nobody there

891
00:50:10,640 --> 00:50:14,280
Speaker 1: except you know, some few bands and Native Americans, and

892
00:50:14,680 --> 00:50:17,680
Speaker 1: he was torn his whole life of telling people about

893
00:50:17,760 --> 00:50:20,400
Speaker 1: it because by him telling him about it, he ruined it.

894
00:50:21,040 --> 00:50:23,719
Speaker 1: And so I think that's the story of us. And

895
00:50:23,840 --> 00:50:26,400
Speaker 1: it's in a way because but like we want to

896
00:50:26,440 --> 00:50:28,359
Speaker 1: share what we know and it doesn't do any good

897
00:50:28,360 --> 00:50:32,120
Speaker 1: to hold stuff back. But I will say Georgia in Tennessee,

898
00:50:32,280 --> 00:50:35,960
Speaker 1: West Virginia are way better bear hunting. It's actually not

899
00:50:36,000 --> 00:50:39,080
Speaker 1: a joke. You can take more bears in Georgia, that's

900
00:50:39,120 --> 00:50:42,120
Speaker 1: for sure. They have they have bigger bear populations. Yeah,

901
00:50:42,320 --> 00:50:47,120
Speaker 1: so there's other options you have. Yeah, definitely if you

902
00:50:47,320 --> 00:50:48,960
Speaker 1: if you think you want to get into the game

903
00:50:49,000 --> 00:50:51,080
Speaker 1: and fish, say that that's me because I hunt out.

904
00:50:52,480 --> 00:50:55,200
Speaker 1: So I hunted last year and the year before that

905
00:50:55,280 --> 00:50:57,719
Speaker 1: is the only time that I've ever bear hunted. Um,

906
00:50:57,840 --> 00:51:01,279
Speaker 1: I've seen two bears. One of them is dead and

907
00:51:01,320 --> 00:51:03,120
Speaker 1: the other one ran across the road in front of

908
00:51:03,120 --> 00:51:06,720
Speaker 1: me before the season was open. So, uh, it's hard,

909
00:51:07,120 --> 00:51:09,759
Speaker 1: and if you haven't done it before, it's a lot

910
00:51:09,800 --> 00:51:12,160
Speaker 1: of fun. You just kind of have to set your

911
00:51:12,200 --> 00:51:14,719
Speaker 1: mind to what you're gonna encounter, how how you want

912
00:51:14,719 --> 00:51:19,160
Speaker 1: to go about it, and you measure your success more

913
00:51:19,239 --> 00:51:21,359
Speaker 1: by I think how long you can stay out there

914
00:51:21,400 --> 00:51:25,320
Speaker 1: and keep after it. You know. Uh, I scouted a

915
00:51:25,400 --> 00:51:28,200
Speaker 1: couple of days before the season open. I scouted before that,

916
00:51:28,280 --> 00:51:30,400
Speaker 1: but went in earnest a couple of days before the

917
00:51:30,440 --> 00:51:34,040
Speaker 1: season and hunted, uh to three days into the season.

918
00:51:34,520 --> 00:51:38,640
Speaker 1: Uh during archery season, you know, so put five to

919
00:51:38,680 --> 00:51:42,440
Speaker 1: seven days into it, and um, that was about all

920
00:51:42,480 --> 00:51:45,480
Speaker 1: I needed, I mean because I was done, Like I

921
00:51:45,520 --> 00:51:48,680
Speaker 1: didn't want to do it anymore. Bears are a low

922
00:51:48,719 --> 00:51:52,000
Speaker 1: density animal, so if you think about it like a

923
00:51:52,080 --> 00:51:55,360
Speaker 1: high population whitetail deer might be forty deer per square

924
00:51:55,400 --> 00:51:58,760
Speaker 1: mile in good bear habitat. How many bears per square

925
00:51:58,800 --> 00:52:06,719
Speaker 1: mile would we have, myron? Huh, fifteen to twenty bears

926
00:52:06,760 --> 00:52:18,720
Speaker 1: maybe per hundred square kilometers? Conversion Maric, Come on, what's

927
00:52:18,719 --> 00:52:25,440
Speaker 1: a kilometer someone converted for me? Real quick? Give me

928
00:52:25,440 --> 00:52:28,640
Speaker 1: an anecdote, like a bear per square mile? Two bears?

929
00:52:28,680 --> 00:52:32,319
Speaker 1: Oh gosh, okay, I'll land base. I'll convert it for you.

930
00:52:32,520 --> 00:52:40,920
Speaker 1: Land base sto square miles square miles sixty two. So

931
00:52:41,000 --> 00:52:44,759
Speaker 1: twenty five bears per sixty two square miles. Man, that's

932
00:52:44,760 --> 00:52:51,240
Speaker 1: some really about half a bear about point six bears

933
00:52:51,239 --> 00:52:54,600
Speaker 1: per square miles. So there's our number. So you know,

934
00:52:55,040 --> 00:52:59,040
Speaker 1: forty deer per square mile point six bears. Those are

935
00:52:59,080 --> 00:53:02,399
Speaker 1: the size bears. These guys kill point six. No, that's

936
00:53:02,440 --> 00:53:04,520
Speaker 1: that's good info. Yeah, And so I mean that's like

937
00:53:04,640 --> 00:53:07,800
Speaker 1: prime bear density. So to say, to qualify what James

938
00:53:07,840 --> 00:53:11,320
Speaker 1: was saying, you can't be validated by seeing game. I

939
00:53:11,400 --> 00:53:14,680
Speaker 1: mean we're used to deer hunting and like the golden

940
00:53:14,800 --> 00:53:17,239
Speaker 1: era of white tail deer hunting in North America, and

941
00:53:17,280 --> 00:53:18,920
Speaker 1: we go out and we don't see deer. We're like

942
00:53:18,960 --> 00:53:21,239
Speaker 1: what's wrong man? When you bear hunt. That's why I

943
00:53:21,280 --> 00:53:23,879
Speaker 1: love about it. You can't be validated by seeing game.

944
00:53:24,239 --> 00:53:27,840
Speaker 1: I mean, I'll go seasons without seeing a bear in Arkansas,

945
00:53:29,760 --> 00:53:31,799
Speaker 1: and I mean we're doing stuff very much so on

946
00:53:31,840 --> 00:53:35,760
Speaker 1: purpose and don't see a bear the whole season doing

947
00:53:35,800 --> 00:53:38,319
Speaker 1: what we So what you're saying is I'm as good

948
00:53:38,320 --> 00:53:43,560
Speaker 1: of a bear hunter as you guys are. Apparently even

949
00:53:43,560 --> 00:53:49,640
Speaker 1: a blind South Wilkins over there Jonathan Race. Jonathan did

950
00:53:49,680 --> 00:53:53,640
Speaker 1: the same thing James did. Jonathan set out several years

951
00:53:53,640 --> 00:53:57,160
Speaker 1: ago and he didn't even live over here, but traveled

952
00:53:57,200 --> 00:54:00,279
Speaker 1: into the mountains in western Arkansas, hunted a couple of

953
00:54:00,360 --> 00:54:03,160
Speaker 1: years all on his own, and kill the bear last year,

954
00:54:03,280 --> 00:54:06,680
Speaker 1: didn't you, Jonathan? Yeah, So I mean this is this

955
00:54:06,719 --> 00:54:09,320
Speaker 1: is a this is a doable thing. Yeah, but you shouldn't.

956
00:54:09,360 --> 00:54:11,160
Speaker 1: You probably shouldn't treat You should try to do it

957
00:54:11,200 --> 00:54:15,759
Speaker 1: in Georgia or in Georgia somewhere else. More bears over there,

958
00:54:15,800 --> 00:54:19,239
Speaker 1: and definitely not at that place that Myron mentioned. I

959
00:54:19,280 --> 00:54:22,799
Speaker 1: don't either one of them. Yeah, you know, I give

960
00:54:22,840 --> 00:54:26,920
Speaker 1: bear hunting seminars around the state usually before better season

961
00:54:26,960 --> 00:54:29,800
Speaker 1: comes about it, before you can bait. And I really

962
00:54:29,840 --> 00:54:32,320
Speaker 1: tell people. I mean there's you know, there's two different

963
00:54:32,640 --> 00:54:35,200
Speaker 1: avenues to bear hunt. You can bear hunt on private

964
00:54:35,280 --> 00:54:37,440
Speaker 1: land or you can bear hunt on public land. And

965
00:54:37,480 --> 00:54:40,600
Speaker 1: of course private land. You know, there's certain techniques that

966
00:54:40,640 --> 00:54:44,279
Speaker 1: can benefit you and establishing a bait station. And I

967
00:54:44,320 --> 00:54:46,319
Speaker 1: tell people all the time, you know, I kind of

968
00:54:46,360 --> 00:54:49,839
Speaker 1: go through the processes of finding natural bait stations on

969
00:54:49,880 --> 00:54:53,840
Speaker 1: public land, and uh, I can I can attest to

970
00:54:53,880 --> 00:54:57,040
Speaker 1: you everyone here that a natural bait site can be

971
00:54:57,280 --> 00:55:00,759
Speaker 1: every bit as effective as you know a man made

972
00:55:00,800 --> 00:55:05,480
Speaker 1: bait site even better better. You'll find a natural food source.

973
00:55:05,800 --> 00:55:08,560
Speaker 1: You find that one particular white oak on a bench

974
00:55:08,640 --> 00:55:16,000
Speaker 1: that's throwing acorn acorns like crazy, right you almost boat.

975
00:55:16,120 --> 00:55:18,879
Speaker 1: Or you find that one particular black gum tree that's

976
00:55:18,880 --> 00:55:21,719
Speaker 1: throwing you know, berries like crazy right at the front

977
00:55:21,719 --> 00:55:25,360
Speaker 1: of the season. So I mean I tell everybody, or

978
00:55:25,440 --> 00:55:27,960
Speaker 1: hickory nuts if picker nuts as we call them mostly

979
00:55:27,960 --> 00:55:31,880
Speaker 1: in Arkansas, Yeah, picker nuts. So I mean, you know,

980
00:55:31,920 --> 00:55:33,920
Speaker 1: I really kind of harp on that point to people.

981
00:55:33,960 --> 00:55:36,920
Speaker 1: If you don't have access to private land and to

982
00:55:37,040 --> 00:55:40,080
Speaker 1: do all that, a natural bait site can be every

983
00:55:40,080 --> 00:55:42,520
Speaker 1: bit as effective. Let's just run through that, just a

984
00:55:42,520 --> 00:55:46,560
Speaker 1: little bit like in the eastern deciduous forest. Really, that's

985
00:55:46,560 --> 00:55:49,839
Speaker 1: what apply and Georgia and any anywhere you can hunt

986
00:55:49,840 --> 00:55:52,720
Speaker 1: bears over here in the fall. We don't have spring

987
00:55:52,760 --> 00:55:56,200
Speaker 1: bear seasons in the South, very few spring bear seasons

988
00:55:56,239 --> 00:56:00,359
Speaker 1: in the lower forty eight. Um Maine has some bear

989
00:56:00,600 --> 00:56:05,440
Speaker 1: spring bear seasons on some tribal lands, and Idaho, Montana, Wyoming,

990
00:56:06,320 --> 00:56:08,759
Speaker 1: Washington has a limited anyway we hunt bears in the fall,

991
00:56:09,440 --> 00:56:13,399
Speaker 1: and um hard masks is gonna be probably the main

992
00:56:13,440 --> 00:56:15,320
Speaker 1: thing you're gonna key in on. That's what the bears

993
00:56:15,320 --> 00:56:17,239
Speaker 1: are keying in on. And that would be acrens, whether

994
00:56:17,239 --> 00:56:20,200
Speaker 1: it be red oakacres, white oakacerings, whatever kind of acren

995
00:56:20,239 --> 00:56:23,880
Speaker 1: there is. They it would be possible bear food. But

996
00:56:24,160 --> 00:56:26,879
Speaker 1: just like white tailed deer, they're gonna be selective. They're

997
00:56:26,880 --> 00:56:29,239
Speaker 1: gonna high grade their food, just like you or I would.

998
00:56:29,280 --> 00:56:31,359
Speaker 1: If there was a buffet out here, we'd go through.

999
00:56:31,400 --> 00:56:33,120
Speaker 1: We'd say I want that, I don't want that, I

1000
00:56:33,160 --> 00:56:35,680
Speaker 1: do want that. But if there was a limited amount

1001
00:56:35,719 --> 00:56:38,480
Speaker 1: of food and there was only one or two options

1002
00:56:38,719 --> 00:56:41,920
Speaker 1: and we had to eat, we'd eat a lesser desirable food,

1003
00:56:42,520 --> 00:56:45,560
Speaker 1: the number one desirable food. I mean, we can just

1004
00:56:45,680 --> 00:56:48,680
Speaker 1: almost say without question, is is gonna be white oak

1005
00:56:48,719 --> 00:56:51,920
Speaker 1: acorns during the time we're hunting. It's just a small

1006
00:56:52,000 --> 00:56:54,680
Speaker 1: window of time that that really that we're keen on

1007
00:56:54,719 --> 00:56:57,360
Speaker 1: these bears. Other times of the year they're eating berries,

1008
00:56:57,640 --> 00:57:00,360
Speaker 1: they're eating soft mask. We're not as heat in on

1009
00:57:00,440 --> 00:57:04,759
Speaker 1: them during that time. Mayron mentioned black gum um. That's

1010
00:57:04,760 --> 00:57:07,279
Speaker 1: something that you don't hear a lot about, but I

1011
00:57:07,360 --> 00:57:09,840
Speaker 1: have a couple of years ago I found a black

1012
00:57:09,840 --> 00:57:13,080
Speaker 1: gum tree. It was about eighteen inches in diameter at

1013
00:57:13,080 --> 00:57:18,320
Speaker 1: the base and it looked like it looked like a

1014
00:57:18,400 --> 00:57:22,320
Speaker 1: telephone pole that they had been climbing for years. Just

1015
00:57:22,440 --> 00:57:25,280
Speaker 1: I mean claw marks, branches all over the ground, and

1016
00:57:25,280 --> 00:57:28,240
Speaker 1: there were eight piles of bears scout under that single tree.

1017
00:57:28,760 --> 00:57:31,200
Speaker 1: Bears were just climbing. It's probably one or two bears.

1018
00:57:31,400 --> 00:57:34,320
Speaker 1: They were climbing that tree, breaking the branches out of

1019
00:57:34,360 --> 00:57:36,600
Speaker 1: that black gum. And black gum has a little soft

1020
00:57:36,720 --> 00:57:39,760
Speaker 1: berry about that looks like a raisin. And uh, boy,

1021
00:57:39,800 --> 00:57:44,160
Speaker 1: at the right time, when they hit, they're loaded with hit. Yeah,

1022
00:57:44,280 --> 00:57:49,280
Speaker 1: and you know, so acorns, uh you know black gum.

1023
00:57:49,360 --> 00:57:51,919
Speaker 1: You might find a persymmetry that the bears are hitting

1024
00:57:51,920 --> 00:57:55,200
Speaker 1: per simmons are pretty there's just little windows when they're

1025
00:57:55,240 --> 00:57:58,720
Speaker 1: when they're using those hickory nuts, beech nuts. Parts of

1026
00:57:58,840 --> 00:58:01,600
Speaker 1: Arkansas are gonna have some beach timber, you know, few

1027
00:58:01,640 --> 00:58:04,520
Speaker 1: parts of Arkansas. But when beech nuts make they're gonna

1028
00:58:04,520 --> 00:58:07,560
Speaker 1: eat They're gonna eat those hard and heavy. Um, that's

1029
00:58:07,600 --> 00:58:10,880
Speaker 1: primarily what they're eating in the fall. You guys agree, Yeah,

1030
00:58:11,360 --> 00:58:15,400
Speaker 1: I'd say acorns and then black gun berries and then

1031
00:58:15,760 --> 00:58:18,120
Speaker 1: the hickory nuts. Is what I found myself. But if

1032
00:58:18,120 --> 00:58:20,120
Speaker 1: you're intellect she said, and where the beech nuts are,

1033
00:58:20,320 --> 00:58:24,080
Speaker 1: those are half protein content mass. When they do hit,

1034
00:58:24,120 --> 00:58:26,320
Speaker 1: they just don't hit very often. They will sure go

1035
00:58:26,360 --> 00:58:29,480
Speaker 1: to them then. And what always, what I've found is

1036
00:58:29,520 --> 00:58:34,680
Speaker 1: that bears will use natural food very similar to the

1037
00:58:34,920 --> 00:58:37,200
Speaker 1: use of bait site. I mean just that's what Myron's

1038
00:58:37,240 --> 00:58:41,720
Speaker 1: point was, is that a bear is extremely habitual. If

1039
00:58:41,760 --> 00:58:44,960
Speaker 1: you can find where he's been, he's probably gonna come back.

1040
00:58:45,000 --> 00:58:47,400
Speaker 1: And this is like the dream scenario that I would

1041
00:58:47,400 --> 00:58:50,480
Speaker 1: have only found. I mean, I talked about scenarios like this,

1042
00:58:51,160 --> 00:58:53,360
Speaker 1: and you're like, well, heck, he must find a spot

1043
00:58:53,360 --> 00:58:55,200
Speaker 1: like that every year. Not true. I mean I probably

1044
00:58:55,200 --> 00:58:58,440
Speaker 1: found this three or four times in my life. But

1045
00:58:58,520 --> 00:59:00,560
Speaker 1: this is what you're after, so like to talk about

1046
00:59:00,600 --> 00:59:04,000
Speaker 1: what you're after. What you're after is to walk onto

1047
00:59:04,040 --> 00:59:05,960
Speaker 1: a bench or on the top of a ridge or

1048
00:59:06,320 --> 00:59:10,600
Speaker 1: wherever the acrons would be, and find a significant amount

1049
00:59:10,600 --> 00:59:13,640
Speaker 1: of your food source and then a significant amount of

1050
00:59:13,840 --> 00:59:17,720
Speaker 1: bear scat. I mean, I've been in places where you

1051
00:59:17,760 --> 00:59:20,040
Speaker 1: walk up there and it looks like hogs have been

1052
00:59:20,040 --> 00:59:22,800
Speaker 1: in there and there's bear. You know, find ten or

1053
00:59:22,840 --> 00:59:26,720
Speaker 1: twelve piles of bear scout in a hundred square yard area,

1054
00:59:26,880 --> 00:59:29,640
Speaker 1: some of it very fresh, some of it old acrons

1055
00:59:29,680 --> 00:59:32,480
Speaker 1: on the ground. I mean, it's just if you can

1056
00:59:32,480 --> 00:59:34,640
Speaker 1: find that you're in the chips, and then you just

1057
00:59:34,720 --> 00:59:37,520
Speaker 1: hunt it smart like you would hunt a deer. You know,

1058
00:59:37,720 --> 00:59:43,760
Speaker 1: you gotta watch the smarter smarter there there. So when

1059
00:59:43,800 --> 00:59:46,640
Speaker 1: you find that, you treat it just like a deer spot.

1060
00:59:46,680 --> 00:59:48,880
Speaker 1: You know, you gotta get the wind right. But what

1061
00:59:49,040 --> 00:59:52,280
Speaker 1: I found, and what I didn't I didn't know until

1062
00:59:52,360 --> 00:59:55,040
Speaker 1: I did it, is that you can kill a bear

1063
00:59:55,200 --> 00:59:57,720
Speaker 1: on the ground. I can't believe I'm telling people this stuff.

1064
00:59:58,080 --> 01:00:01,400
Speaker 1: Gunning you can kill. You can stalk a bear and

1065
01:00:01,520 --> 01:00:03,760
Speaker 1: dry leaves on the ground when he's got his face

1066
01:00:03,760 --> 01:00:06,480
Speaker 1: eating akrons, and that's what I was unsure of. And

1067
01:00:06,560 --> 01:00:08,400
Speaker 1: ten years ago when I was kind of just like

1068
01:00:08,440 --> 01:00:11,080
Speaker 1: trying to kill one in National forest, I'd be out

1069
01:00:11,160 --> 01:00:13,120
Speaker 1: and the leaves would be dry, and I'm sitting here

1070
01:00:13,120 --> 01:00:14,920
Speaker 1: with a traditional bow, and I'm like, how the heck

1071
01:00:14,920 --> 01:00:17,880
Speaker 1: am I gonna get within eighteen yards of a bear?

1072
01:00:18,600 --> 01:00:20,560
Speaker 1: And what I found? And I have the I have

1073
01:00:20,600 --> 01:00:23,240
Speaker 1: a video on Bear Honey Magazine YouTube channel of a

1074
01:00:23,280 --> 01:00:27,480
Speaker 1: bear that I first spotted about sixty yards away and

1075
01:00:27,520 --> 01:00:31,320
Speaker 1: I filmed them for eighteen minutes. I know it because

1076
01:00:31,320 --> 01:00:34,160
Speaker 1: it was on the camera. I filmed them for eighteen minutes,

1077
01:00:34,200 --> 01:00:37,439
Speaker 1: just circling the white oak tree, just circling. Never looked

1078
01:00:37,520 --> 01:00:40,800
Speaker 1: up one time, Maron and I just started walking towards

1079
01:00:40,880 --> 01:00:42,920
Speaker 1: him in the broad there was nothing to hide behind,

1080
01:00:43,440 --> 01:00:47,880
Speaker 1: and I walked to where I could hear him crunching acrons,

1081
01:00:48,440 --> 01:00:50,280
Speaker 1: and then I was like, this is close enough, and

1082
01:00:50,320 --> 01:00:52,440
Speaker 1: I just kind of crouched down in the wide open,

1083
01:00:52,880 --> 01:00:55,440
Speaker 1: and that bear, you know, eventually just kind of made

1084
01:00:55,480 --> 01:00:58,480
Speaker 1: his way my direction and I killed him at fourteen yards.

1085
01:00:58,680 --> 01:01:01,360
Speaker 1: But the leaves were crunchy. Dry. Point is you can

1086
01:01:01,400 --> 01:01:04,400
Speaker 1: stalk them if they're eating. Now, if they're moving. If

1087
01:01:04,400 --> 01:01:06,160
Speaker 1: you're like going through the mountains and you see one

1088
01:01:06,200 --> 01:01:09,720
Speaker 1: that coming across the ridge, he'll be as I mean,

1089
01:01:09,760 --> 01:01:12,200
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna say as spooky as a deer, but

1090
01:01:12,320 --> 01:01:14,960
Speaker 1: that bear is going to be alert. If you can

1091
01:01:15,000 --> 01:01:17,680
Speaker 1: catch them, feed them feeding. You could about walk up

1092
01:01:17,680 --> 01:01:19,160
Speaker 1: to him and slap them in the rear, as long

1093
01:01:19,160 --> 01:01:24,160
Speaker 1: as they don't smell yep, I mean yeah, absolutely common

1094
01:01:24,200 --> 01:01:27,720
Speaker 1: to them. The dominator in that is the wind was

1095
01:01:27,760 --> 01:01:31,920
Speaker 1: at your face. Bears do not see. They're kind of nearsighted,

1096
01:01:32,480 --> 01:01:35,320
Speaker 1: don't see probably well as most people. They don't have

1097
01:01:35,360 --> 01:01:37,640
Speaker 1: a little small fuzzy ears, not bi great our ears

1098
01:01:37,680 --> 01:01:40,040
Speaker 1: like a deer, so they don't really hear that well.

1099
01:01:40,680 --> 01:01:44,120
Speaker 1: But the bear has the strongest snows of any land animal,

1100
01:01:45,360 --> 01:01:48,520
Speaker 1: and they use it. They live or die by it.

1101
01:01:49,160 --> 01:01:52,240
Speaker 1: So if you want to be a successful bear hunter,

1102
01:01:53,080 --> 01:01:56,480
Speaker 1: that is probably the most important factor that you can

1103
01:01:56,520 --> 01:02:00,640
Speaker 1: never ever leave out his wind how third normals play,

1104
01:02:00,680 --> 01:02:04,600
Speaker 1: how down drafts, play, what your wind is doing, because

1105
01:02:04,640 --> 01:02:07,640
Speaker 1: you will never ever stalk a bear with the wind

1106
01:02:07,800 --> 01:02:11,360
Speaker 1: nod in your favor. That's right. They noticed he didn't

1107
01:02:11,400 --> 01:02:14,240
Speaker 1: say use sent control products. He said play the wind

1108
01:02:14,800 --> 01:02:20,680
Speaker 1: like a real man, that's a whole other Yeah, kidding

1109
01:02:21,200 --> 01:02:25,800
Speaker 1: yet how much time? Uh we're walking? It all kind

1110
01:02:25,800 --> 01:02:32,240
Speaker 1: of inside jokes for Beargary surrender yeah, um yeah, so um.

1111
01:02:32,280 --> 01:02:34,600
Speaker 1: I wanted to touch on that. And that's all the

1112
01:02:34,640 --> 01:02:36,920
Speaker 1: secrets I've got. I mean, like people talk to me

1113
01:02:36,920 --> 01:02:38,800
Speaker 1: about how do you kill a bear? And National Forest,

1114
01:02:39,080 --> 01:02:41,960
Speaker 1: I've told you everything I know right there. Really it's

1115
01:02:42,000 --> 01:02:45,360
Speaker 1: literally get out and pound the dirt, looking for places

1116
01:02:45,320 --> 01:02:48,880
Speaker 1: and hunt. And now James and Jonathan they have taken

1117
01:02:48,880 --> 01:02:50,959
Speaker 1: my advice and gone out and done it, so it'd

1118
01:02:50,960 --> 01:02:58,240
Speaker 1: be interesting to see it. Yeah, hunt too. No, I

1119
01:02:58,320 --> 01:03:03,040
Speaker 1: will say that the why I got into it is

1120
01:03:03,080 --> 01:03:05,440
Speaker 1: because it was an adventure and a challenge. Is something

1121
01:03:05,440 --> 01:03:07,560
Speaker 1: new to do, something you could do here in Arkansas

1122
01:03:08,280 --> 01:03:10,080
Speaker 1: happened to be. I was planning to do it anyway,

1123
01:03:10,120 --> 01:03:14,080
Speaker 1: and then we had COVID so we weren't gonna travel anywhere. Um,

1124
01:03:14,120 --> 01:03:17,600
Speaker 1: but I wanted to become a better woodsman. I wanted

1125
01:03:17,640 --> 01:03:19,560
Speaker 1: to just get out and see more of the state.

1126
01:03:19,720 --> 01:03:22,040
Speaker 1: And and if you choose to do this in the

1127
01:03:22,120 --> 01:03:24,080
Speaker 1: National Forest, you're gonna see parts of the state that

1128
01:03:24,120 --> 01:03:28,840
Speaker 1: you didn't know existed. We live in a beautiful, beautiful place.

1129
01:03:29,640 --> 01:03:33,680
Speaker 1: As pretty as Georgia, not as pretty as Georgia, tex Place. Um,

1130
01:03:34,240 --> 01:03:39,960
Speaker 1: and uh, you will. You will challenge yourself in many

1131
01:03:40,000 --> 01:03:43,439
Speaker 1: many ways to go out and do that. But that's

1132
01:03:43,520 --> 01:03:46,800
Speaker 1: what I wanted out of that particular adventure, and I

1133
01:03:46,960 --> 01:03:48,680
Speaker 1: thought there was a lot of value in that for

1134
01:03:48,720 --> 01:03:51,360
Speaker 1: me as a just on my journey as a hunter.

1135
01:03:51,400 --> 01:03:54,000
Speaker 1: And I'm kind of thoughtful about that kind of stuff.

1136
01:03:54,000 --> 01:03:56,560
Speaker 1: Not everybody is. I mean, I'm glad I brought a

1137
01:03:56,560 --> 01:03:59,640
Speaker 1: bear home and and had all the stuff from it too.

1138
01:03:59,680 --> 01:04:02,600
Speaker 1: But it was a very fun adventure to go on.

1139
01:04:02,680 --> 01:04:05,760
Speaker 1: And and that's what I would sell anybody. If you're

1140
01:04:05,760 --> 01:04:09,480
Speaker 1: looking for an adventure, take up bear hunting. Yeah, on

1141
01:04:09,680 --> 01:04:12,680
Speaker 1: national you know, national forest, on public land, because it's tough,

1142
01:04:13,000 --> 01:04:16,040
Speaker 1: it's real tough. Yeah. I want to talk real quickly

1143
01:04:16,160 --> 01:04:20,200
Speaker 1: about baiting bears. Just kind of give the high points

1144
01:04:20,200 --> 01:04:22,320
Speaker 1: of baiting bearers. I'm trying to just get a swath

1145
01:04:22,440 --> 01:04:25,439
Speaker 1: of what people might be interested in. Does that sound

1146
01:04:25,480 --> 01:04:29,919
Speaker 1: fair to all? Yepnom Is that fair? Yes, it's very

1147
01:04:29,920 --> 01:04:34,120
Speaker 1: fair question to say about baiting barriers. Well, I'll say

1148
01:04:34,120 --> 01:04:38,200
Speaker 1: two things. There's bear bait around here. I can smell it. Well,

1149
01:04:38,240 --> 01:04:41,000
Speaker 1: what you smell is uh yeah, Northwoods. It smells like

1150
01:04:41,080 --> 01:04:48,080
Speaker 1: bear bait. Yo. She didn't know I brought this. This

1151
01:04:48,200 --> 01:04:50,720
Speaker 1: is uh yeah, this is some stuff I like to

1152
01:04:50,800 --> 01:04:53,320
Speaker 1: use this north Woods bear products. I'm going to give

1153
01:04:53,320 --> 01:04:57,520
Speaker 1: some of the away that smells like fall. And then

1154
01:04:57,520 --> 01:05:01,400
Speaker 1: in the we also Clay always fine, you know, places

1155
01:05:01,440 --> 01:05:03,640
Speaker 1: to go get just junk foods, stuff that we wouldn't

1156
01:05:03,720 --> 01:05:06,240
Speaker 1: let our kids eat, and fills the back of his trunk.

1157
01:05:06,640 --> 01:05:08,360
Speaker 1: And when our kids were little, one of them came

1158
01:05:08,400 --> 01:05:12,200
Speaker 1: toddling new and expired honey bun in their hands just

1159
01:05:12,520 --> 01:05:16,280
Speaker 1: now and down. I was like, what do you eat? Yeah?

1160
01:05:16,440 --> 01:05:19,280
Speaker 1: And my kids, Mike, whenever we see certain items in

1161
01:05:19,320 --> 01:05:21,000
Speaker 1: the grocery store, they're like, oh, look there's some bear

1162
01:05:21,040 --> 01:05:28,520
Speaker 1: baits that. So when you're when you're baiting bear, always

1163
01:05:28,520 --> 01:05:32,080
Speaker 1: tell people it's all about location, location, location. Most people

1164
01:05:32,280 --> 01:05:35,320
Speaker 1: they say, well, I got property in this county, We

1165
01:05:35,360 --> 01:05:37,920
Speaker 1: saw a bear there once or twice. You know, is

1166
01:05:37,960 --> 01:05:41,680
Speaker 1: it gonna be good for baiting bears? And what I've

1167
01:05:41,720 --> 01:05:46,400
Speaker 1: seen is that even on a micro scale, like if

1168
01:05:46,480 --> 01:05:49,640
Speaker 1: you took like half of a county, there are gonna

1169
01:05:49,680 --> 01:05:52,000
Speaker 1: be even inside like even let's say it's the best

1170
01:05:52,000 --> 01:05:55,240
Speaker 1: bear county around, and you took even just a quarter

1171
01:05:55,320 --> 01:05:58,720
Speaker 1: of that best bear county around, there's gonna be fringe

1172
01:05:58,840 --> 01:06:02,200
Speaker 1: bear habitat, and that there's place, there's property in that

1173
01:06:02,520 --> 01:06:05,320
Speaker 1: best county that you probably couldn't kill a bear on.

1174
01:06:06,040 --> 01:06:09,560
Speaker 1: Bears are very selective about where they're gonna go and

1175
01:06:09,560 --> 01:06:12,240
Speaker 1: where they want to be in the daytime. And so

1176
01:06:12,360 --> 01:06:15,760
Speaker 1: the short version is when you're baiting bears, you want

1177
01:06:15,760 --> 01:06:18,120
Speaker 1: to be in you want to be where the bears

1178
01:06:18,200 --> 01:06:21,040
Speaker 1: want to be in the fall. So it's possible that

1179
01:06:21,080 --> 01:06:23,320
Speaker 1: somebody's got bears, and Miron can tell you this, got

1180
01:06:23,320 --> 01:06:25,960
Speaker 1: bears on their place during the summer, but they're like,

1181
01:06:26,400 --> 01:06:28,240
Speaker 1: but when we put out bear bait in the fall,

1182
01:06:28,560 --> 01:06:32,360
Speaker 1: we don't get bears up. Bears have big ranges. They're

1183
01:06:32,360 --> 01:06:35,440
Speaker 1: moving around, they do. They typically have a summer range

1184
01:06:35,480 --> 01:06:37,560
Speaker 1: and a fall range, and that fall range, you know,

1185
01:06:37,720 --> 01:06:41,080
Speaker 1: maybe two miles away. But in the home range of

1186
01:06:41,120 --> 01:06:45,960
Speaker 1: a bear, they will have seasonal ranges within that whole

1187
01:06:46,000 --> 01:06:49,000
Speaker 1: home range, and they definitely, I mean some bears have

1188
01:06:49,120 --> 01:06:53,400
Speaker 1: their summer forage area in very close proximity to maybe

1189
01:06:53,400 --> 01:06:56,360
Speaker 1: where their fall range would be. But in other bears,

1190
01:06:56,400 --> 01:06:58,720
Speaker 1: you know, they may be three or four miles apart,

1191
01:07:00,000 --> 01:07:01,960
Speaker 1: and you're not as a hunter, You're not like trying

1192
01:07:02,040 --> 01:07:05,680
Speaker 1: to map out home ranges of different bears. But if

1193
01:07:05,720 --> 01:07:08,240
Speaker 1: you can, if you can, if you have access to

1194
01:07:08,320 --> 01:07:13,040
Speaker 1: private land that you have permission to hunt in very secluded,

1195
01:07:13,160 --> 01:07:16,520
Speaker 1: remote areas that are typically connected to big blocks of

1196
01:07:16,600 --> 01:07:20,920
Speaker 1: national forests. In our state, the bears, the bears are

1197
01:07:21,000 --> 01:07:23,640
Speaker 1: on national forest. I mean, that's just the truth of

1198
01:07:23,680 --> 01:07:27,520
Speaker 1: it there there. But the bears want big, unfragmented not

1199
01:07:27,680 --> 01:07:31,400
Speaker 1: true wilderness like Capital w federal wilderness, but they want

1200
01:07:31,400 --> 01:07:35,520
Speaker 1: to be in big, unfragmented blocks. That's not exclusive. Bears

1201
01:07:35,920 --> 01:07:38,160
Speaker 1: can adapt and can be living, you know, in your

1202
01:07:38,200 --> 01:07:43,680
Speaker 1: backyard in general, though the bigger blocks, a big public land, rugged, rough,

1203
01:07:43,880 --> 01:07:45,960
Speaker 1: nasty stuff, that's where bears are gonna want to be.

1204
01:07:46,680 --> 01:07:49,440
Speaker 1: And you'll learn over time. Like there was a time

1205
01:07:50,560 --> 01:07:54,000
Speaker 1: years ago where I was baiting like eleven different spots

1206
01:07:54,280 --> 01:08:00,200
Speaker 1: in a good county in Arkansas, and of those eleven spots,

1207
01:08:00,200 --> 01:08:03,040
Speaker 1: by the time season came around, we would usually have

1208
01:08:03,240 --> 01:08:06,320
Speaker 1: three spots that you could kill a decent bear at

1209
01:08:07,040 --> 01:08:09,360
Speaker 1: that whole time we baited it. Though in September we'd

1210
01:08:09,360 --> 01:08:12,000
Speaker 1: have had bears at every one of those spots, and

1211
01:08:12,480 --> 01:08:15,600
Speaker 1: as the as the as the calendar turns in September,

1212
01:08:15,760 --> 01:08:19,000
Speaker 1: coming to October, the white oak acrens, all the acrens

1213
01:08:19,000 --> 01:08:23,120
Speaker 1: start getting ripe, falling bears start to transition. You know,

1214
01:08:23,200 --> 01:08:26,600
Speaker 1: during that time, Um, there's just a big transition in

1215
01:08:26,640 --> 01:08:31,280
Speaker 1: the natural world from summer to fall, and bears start

1216
01:08:31,320 --> 01:08:34,880
Speaker 1: to move around, and you can basically you can hold

1217
01:08:34,920 --> 01:08:37,960
Speaker 1: bears early, it's hard to hold them late. Everybody's beaded bears.

1218
01:08:38,040 --> 01:08:40,760
Speaker 1: You know. We'll say, Man, I had bears, but they

1219
01:08:40,880 --> 01:08:43,800
Speaker 1: left by the time season came. You know, what can

1220
01:08:43,840 --> 01:08:45,800
Speaker 1: I do to keep them? And I told the guy

1221
01:08:45,840 --> 01:08:47,519
Speaker 1: earlier today, I said, the best thing you can do

1222
01:08:47,600 --> 01:08:49,880
Speaker 1: to keep a bear and be able to kill him

1223
01:08:49,880 --> 01:08:52,599
Speaker 1: on opening day is have a spot that you can

1224
01:08:52,720 --> 01:08:57,519
Speaker 1: kill bears and keep them until opening day. It works brilliant.

1225
01:08:57,880 --> 01:09:02,720
Speaker 1: So what I finally did, after after after what teach

1226
01:09:02,960 --> 01:09:08,000
Speaker 1: that Mo and his backwoods wisdom taught me that, what

1227
01:09:08,000 --> 01:09:10,679
Speaker 1: what I finally did, after bating eleven spots, as I said,

1228
01:09:10,680 --> 01:09:12,960
Speaker 1: why I'm even baiting those other eight, I'm just gonna

1229
01:09:12,960 --> 01:09:15,240
Speaker 1: bait the three. And so that's what I did. I

1230
01:09:15,240 --> 01:09:17,160
Speaker 1: mean pretty much just narrowed it down. I was like,

1231
01:09:17,280 --> 01:09:21,000
Speaker 1: I cannot kill a good bear at this spot, so

1232
01:09:21,400 --> 01:09:23,400
Speaker 1: we're just chunking it. You know, we we tried it

1233
01:09:23,439 --> 01:09:25,280
Speaker 1: for several years. You can't give up on a spot

1234
01:09:25,320 --> 01:09:28,120
Speaker 1: after one year. I bait it three years before. I

1235
01:09:28,160 --> 01:09:32,599
Speaker 1: was like, ah um. But you know, but a lot

1236
01:09:32,640 --> 01:09:35,439
Speaker 1: of you may not have access to that many properties,

1237
01:09:35,479 --> 01:09:37,040
Speaker 1: so you may it may be a deal where you

1238
01:09:37,080 --> 01:09:39,720
Speaker 1: bait for five years and finally you get a straggler

1239
01:09:39,800 --> 01:09:43,679
Speaker 1: that comes in and that's that's okay too, But point

1240
01:09:43,720 --> 01:09:48,040
Speaker 1: being secluded land moment. Yeah. And then and the later

1241
01:09:48,120 --> 01:09:50,240
Speaker 1: in the season it gets later in the fall, it

1242
01:09:50,320 --> 01:09:52,840
Speaker 1: gets the harder it is to get a bear to

1243
01:09:52,880 --> 01:09:56,400
Speaker 1: come to bait, Like later muzzloader hunt or the gun hunt.

1244
01:09:56,439 --> 01:09:58,120
Speaker 1: It's a lot harder to get them to come to

1245
01:09:58,160 --> 01:10:00,720
Speaker 1: those areas. You gotta try to get closer to where

1246
01:10:00,760 --> 01:10:03,800
Speaker 1: they want to be in that fall during the mass

1247
01:10:03,840 --> 01:10:06,519
Speaker 1: they'll come to bait once they hit the mass hard,

1248
01:10:07,400 --> 01:10:11,040
Speaker 1: you know from opening a from the acrons first fall,

1249
01:10:11,080 --> 01:10:14,080
Speaker 1: they'll hit it hard. But then as the acrons dispersed

1250
01:10:14,080 --> 01:10:15,600
Speaker 1: and get less of them, and they're more apt to

1251
01:10:15,640 --> 01:10:17,360
Speaker 1: come back to a bait side. But you need to

1252
01:10:17,400 --> 01:10:21,639
Speaker 1: be closer to where they're hanging out hitting that mass

1253
01:10:21,640 --> 01:10:25,720
Speaker 1: crop too. So Mo Mo and I kind of work

1254
01:10:25,800 --> 01:10:27,800
Speaker 1: together on a bait side one year and he killed

1255
01:10:27,800 --> 01:10:30,479
Speaker 1: the bear on November the fifth, over bait, which is

1256
01:10:30,520 --> 01:10:34,559
Speaker 1: the latest I've ever It's pretty late what he's trying

1257
01:10:34,560 --> 01:10:37,040
Speaker 1: to say. And I have people that are like, Hey,

1258
01:10:37,080 --> 01:10:39,400
Speaker 1: I'm gonna come bear hunt. What if what if I

1259
01:10:39,479 --> 01:10:43,160
Speaker 1: came mid October talking about hunting over bait and I

1260
01:10:43,240 --> 01:10:44,880
Speaker 1: would just be like, stay home. That's one of the

1261
01:10:44,920 --> 01:10:49,639
Speaker 1: worst times to try to the bear season over bait,

1262
01:10:50,240 --> 01:10:53,599
Speaker 1: I said I. I kind of had this revelation last year.

1263
01:10:53,680 --> 01:10:56,120
Speaker 1: Is sitting over a bear bait in Arkansas? Is that

1264
01:10:56,200 --> 01:10:59,000
Speaker 1: it is? It is a an ephemeral window. I mean,

1265
01:10:59,040 --> 01:11:01,800
Speaker 1: it's like a short window that comes and goes where

1266
01:11:01,800 --> 01:11:05,400
Speaker 1: those big bears are using the bait site during the daytime.

1267
01:11:05,960 --> 01:11:09,559
Speaker 1: Very short window, and it's always gonna be the as

1268
01:11:09,640 --> 01:11:11,880
Speaker 1: early as the season is open. I mean, so like

1269
01:11:12,040 --> 01:11:14,000
Speaker 1: when we bear hunt, I mean we pretty much bear

1270
01:11:14,080 --> 01:11:16,559
Speaker 1: hunt over bait the first three days of season and

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01:11:16,600 --> 01:11:19,240
Speaker 1: then our baits just die. It's like they just turned

1272
01:11:19,280 --> 01:11:22,480
Speaker 1: the switch. We've done it for twenty years. It's not anecdotal,

1273
01:11:22,800 --> 01:11:25,400
Speaker 1: it's everybody. I mean, it's It's like sometimes you hear

1274
01:11:25,439 --> 01:11:27,519
Speaker 1: people say stuff and you're like, you haven't done that

1275
01:11:27,640 --> 01:11:30,519
Speaker 1: very much. Or if you come to the wrong conclusion, man,

1276
01:11:30,760 --> 01:11:35,000
Speaker 1: that bears leave baits. They're hard to hold most years,

1277
01:11:35,439 --> 01:11:38,000
Speaker 1: and you better, you better, you better hunt them quick,

1278
01:11:38,200 --> 01:11:40,080
Speaker 1: is what I'm trying to say. Yeah, that that year,

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01:11:40,120 --> 01:11:41,680
Speaker 1: you remember the reason we talked about it, because I

1280
01:11:41,760 --> 01:11:44,240
Speaker 1: told you killed the bear with about every means there

1281
01:11:44,320 --> 01:11:46,760
Speaker 1: was other than my pistol. And the only way I

1282
01:11:46,760 --> 01:11:50,320
Speaker 1: could do that was during the opening of the gun

1283
01:11:51,520 --> 01:11:53,960
Speaker 1: fire bear season. And that year it was when it

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01:11:54,040 --> 01:11:56,720
Speaker 1: opened just a few days, like five days prior to

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01:11:57,600 --> 01:12:01,439
Speaker 1: gun deer season. Pretty and and so we we baited

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01:12:01,479 --> 01:12:04,599
Speaker 1: and and and got got a bear coming in, a

1287
01:12:04,600 --> 01:12:07,559
Speaker 1: good material bear. And I was lucky. The first evening

1288
01:12:07,600 --> 01:12:09,200
Speaker 1: I sat there. I sat there all day, but the

1289
01:12:09,200 --> 01:12:11,479
Speaker 1: first evening I sat there about noon and then had

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01:12:11,479 --> 01:12:14,559
Speaker 1: to eat. But I'm hungry, you can tell. But you

1291
01:12:14,600 --> 01:12:17,840
Speaker 1: look at yeah the bear. The bear came in, you know,

1292
01:12:17,920 --> 01:12:19,840
Speaker 1: thirty minutes before dark. And I took it with my

1293
01:12:19,880 --> 01:12:22,040
Speaker 1: pistol and called Clay and said, cut it up here.

1294
01:12:22,040 --> 01:12:23,200
Speaker 1: I've got a bear down and you're gonna have to

1295
01:12:23,240 --> 01:12:25,960
Speaker 1: help me. So we got a lot of fat off

1296
01:12:25,960 --> 01:12:28,519
Speaker 1: of that bear too. That bear had a beautiful coat.

1297
01:12:29,320 --> 01:12:32,080
Speaker 1: Five you know, the longer you wait in the season there, Yeah,

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01:12:32,120 --> 01:12:33,720
Speaker 1: I've got made it had a rug made out of it.

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01:12:33,720 --> 01:12:36,040
Speaker 1: It's a beautiful rug. I mean it's thick, lot of

1300
01:12:36,840 --> 01:12:39,240
Speaker 1: a lot of fat holding a big filet of fat.

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01:12:39,320 --> 01:12:41,840
Speaker 1: That was just like you know, like that big yeah.

1302
01:12:42,360 --> 01:12:47,240
Speaker 1: But um yeah. And then as far as what debate with,

1303
01:12:47,760 --> 01:12:51,480
Speaker 1: you know, there's there's basically anything. I mean, there's regulations

1304
01:12:51,720 --> 01:12:54,160
Speaker 1: looking looking the red books for what you can bait.

1305
01:12:54,240 --> 01:12:58,519
Speaker 1: They have had to kind of get specific, but in general, uh,

1306
01:12:58,720 --> 01:13:01,439
Speaker 1: just about anything that will make a human fat, well,

1307
01:13:01,720 --> 01:13:04,599
Speaker 1: a bear will eat. That's what I say. We use

1308
01:13:04,640 --> 01:13:08,080
Speaker 1: a lot of a lot of bread, pastries, dog food, corn.

1309
01:13:08,320 --> 01:13:10,880
Speaker 1: I didn't know dog food made people fat. That's a

1310
01:13:11,000 --> 01:13:19,360
Speaker 1: good touche. I've never tried to have this trip both fat.

1311
01:13:19,400 --> 01:13:23,720
Speaker 1: You know, do you eat dog food? Um? Every opportunity. Now,

1312
01:13:23,920 --> 01:13:25,360
Speaker 1: we use a lot of we use a lot of

1313
01:13:25,479 --> 01:13:28,720
Speaker 1: used cooking oil. I would say that's a key component. Um.

1314
01:13:28,960 --> 01:13:31,080
Speaker 1: And this is not a sales pitch. I got nothing

1315
01:13:31,080 --> 01:13:35,080
Speaker 1: tied to these guys, but these these friar grease additives,

1316
01:13:35,080 --> 01:13:38,200
Speaker 1: this is this is Northwood's gold rush. It really is

1317
01:13:38,280 --> 01:13:41,599
Speaker 1: incredible that you pour this in with your friar grease,

1318
01:13:42,040 --> 01:13:45,000
Speaker 1: put it on corn, dog food, bread, whatever, and it

1319
01:13:45,280 --> 01:13:48,400
Speaker 1: really attracts. I can smell it right now, misty nose.

1320
01:13:48,600 --> 01:13:53,760
Speaker 1: That's the smell of September at our Yeah, we open

1321
01:13:53,840 --> 01:13:57,599
Speaker 1: this up. Hey, could you put that in the candle?

1322
01:13:57,880 --> 01:14:02,760
Speaker 1: Could you put that in one of those bear grease candles? Oh? Yeah,

1323
01:14:01,520 --> 01:14:09,320
Speaker 1: I don't know where you north Woods Barger. It smells

1324
01:14:09,400 --> 01:14:12,760
Speaker 1: up here right now. Wow, it really does. There's a

1325
01:14:12,760 --> 01:14:14,360
Speaker 1: lot of resources. I tell you what, if you want

1326
01:14:14,400 --> 01:14:16,240
Speaker 1: to learn how to bear hunt Yata, you ought to

1327
01:14:16,280 --> 01:14:19,360
Speaker 1: subscribe to Bear Hunting Magazine. Colby Colby, Moorehead and Joe

1328
01:14:19,400 --> 01:14:22,639
Speaker 1: Line run Bear Hunting Magazine. It's the only bear hunting

1329
01:14:22,640 --> 01:14:27,400
Speaker 1: magazine in the world. Way about of coy big. I mean,

1330
01:14:27,640 --> 01:14:30,600
Speaker 1: people ask me all the time. People message me and

1331
01:14:30,640 --> 01:14:33,519
Speaker 1: asked me some real specific question about bears, which I

1332
01:14:33,720 --> 01:14:36,439
Speaker 1: don't mind. But I'm like, man, I've spent the last

1333
01:14:36,479 --> 01:14:39,160
Speaker 1: ten years writing about that and every issue of Bear

1334
01:14:39,240 --> 01:14:41,519
Speaker 1: Hunting magazine, and so the first thing I say is

1335
01:14:41,560 --> 01:14:45,360
Speaker 1: you should subscribe to Barretti magazine. And uh, but it's

1336
01:14:45,520 --> 01:14:47,639
Speaker 1: not a sales pitch. Just I'm just telling you the truth.

1337
01:14:47,640 --> 01:14:49,160
Speaker 1: If you want to learn how to bear hunt and

1338
01:14:49,160 --> 01:14:52,639
Speaker 1: see bear hunting on a big national scale, it's it's

1339
01:14:52,920 --> 01:14:55,200
Speaker 1: it's handy because I can only talk so much. You've

1340
01:14:55,200 --> 01:14:56,960
Speaker 1: got a lot of stories, a lot of different kinds

1341
01:14:56,960 --> 01:14:59,519
Speaker 1: of adventures in different ways to do it, and bear

1342
01:14:59,600 --> 01:15:02,120
Speaker 1: hunting is pretty diverse. And as a new bear hunter,

1343
01:15:02,640 --> 01:15:04,680
Speaker 1: you know, I'm still learning all the different ways to

1344
01:15:04,720 --> 01:15:07,240
Speaker 1: do it in different places, and and I like getting

1345
01:15:07,240 --> 01:15:11,080
Speaker 1: the magazine to see those different things in different perspectives

1346
01:15:11,120 --> 01:15:14,559
Speaker 1: and just add different ideas to what I might do.

1347
01:15:14,680 --> 01:15:19,160
Speaker 1: So it's a good resource. Yeah. Yeah, Um, Brent, we

1348
01:15:19,160 --> 01:15:22,519
Speaker 1: didn't talked to you yet. Using what you want to

1349
01:15:22,520 --> 01:15:26,519
Speaker 1: talk about, I don't know. Closing thoughts, Well, I'm for

1350
01:15:26,600 --> 01:15:30,799
Speaker 1: bear hunting, okay, I'm for baiting bears. I'm for doing anything.

1351
01:15:31,520 --> 01:15:34,720
Speaker 1: I really appreciate the where the game and fish has

1352
01:15:34,800 --> 01:15:37,320
Speaker 1: gone as far as the Gulf Coastal area because that's

1353
01:15:37,360 --> 01:15:39,280
Speaker 1: where I'm from. It's a big deal. Yeah, it is

1354
01:15:39,320 --> 01:15:41,360
Speaker 1: a big deal. And the ground down there is flat.

1355
01:15:42,200 --> 01:15:44,680
Speaker 1: What yes, sir, you don't have to it. See like

1356
01:15:44,720 --> 01:15:46,559
Speaker 1: I tell you about count, you don't have to con

1357
01:15:46,680 --> 01:15:50,120
Speaker 1: ut in the mountains and now maybe we're not gonna

1358
01:15:50,120 --> 01:15:51,680
Speaker 1: have to bear hunt. You don't have to walk up

1359
01:15:51,680 --> 01:15:54,920
Speaker 1: a mountain exactly. Well, I just it's it's just good.

1360
01:15:54,960 --> 01:15:58,160
Speaker 1: And and you know, I've I've got friends that worked

1361
01:15:58,160 --> 01:16:00,519
Speaker 1: at at Felsenthal, the guys that I grew up with,

1362
01:16:00,640 --> 01:16:03,000
Speaker 1: and they just it's just they see more that's down

1363
01:16:03,040 --> 01:16:06,920
Speaker 1: in the southeast part of Arkansas actually goes down into Louisiana,

1364
01:16:07,520 --> 01:16:09,840
Speaker 1: and that they see more and more. It used to

1365
01:16:09,920 --> 01:16:11,760
Speaker 1: be he would call him a man, I saw a

1366
01:16:11,800 --> 01:16:14,760
Speaker 1: bear today. Now now when I talked to him, it's like,

1367
01:16:15,200 --> 01:16:20,360
Speaker 1: you know, once every month or two, how many bears

1368
01:16:20,360 --> 01:16:22,360
Speaker 1: have you seen? He's, oh, gosh, I don't know. I

1369
01:16:22,400 --> 01:16:25,160
Speaker 1: couldn't tell you how many. You know, it's just they

1370
01:16:25,479 --> 01:16:29,040
Speaker 1: absolutely remarkable. At the place that I grew up and

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01:16:29,080 --> 01:16:31,040
Speaker 1: there's not many acres down there. I didn't put a

1372
01:16:31,080 --> 01:16:34,439
Speaker 1: track on that you never saw a bear, and now

1373
01:16:34,520 --> 01:16:37,360
Speaker 1: you see them. It's it's not unlike, it's not uncommon anymore.

1374
01:16:38,040 --> 01:16:41,240
Speaker 1: And it's it's an absolute testament. It's a testament to

1375
01:16:41,320 --> 01:16:44,519
Speaker 1: the folks that Myron, that Miron, that that Maron works with,

1376
01:16:45,000 --> 01:16:47,960
Speaker 1: and all these folks around here that put some value

1377
01:16:48,000 --> 01:16:50,880
Speaker 1: on something and see the value in it, and they've

1378
01:16:50,920 --> 01:16:52,800
Speaker 1: been working for a long time to get it to

1379
01:16:52,800 --> 01:16:55,000
Speaker 1: where it's at now, and it's hats off to you.

1380
01:16:55,360 --> 01:17:00,880
Speaker 1: It's a testament to great bear conservation. And it just

1381
01:17:00,960 --> 01:17:05,320
Speaker 1: continues to be, you know, flagship species for the agency.

1382
01:17:05,360 --> 01:17:08,679
Speaker 1: I mean, it really is continues to be a success story.

1383
01:17:09,120 --> 01:17:11,000
Speaker 1: It's good to see that louis Anna is getting a

1384
01:17:11,040 --> 01:17:13,920
Speaker 1: little after the whooping we put on them a couple

1385
01:17:14,000 --> 01:17:17,879
Speaker 1: of days ago. You're welcome for both of those things.

1386
01:17:18,560 --> 01:17:22,519
Speaker 1: Be yeah, now, man, I can't, I can't. I can't

1387
01:17:22,680 --> 01:17:25,839
Speaker 1: reiterate enough how special it is that we have bears

1388
01:17:25,920 --> 01:17:28,600
Speaker 1: here and that we can hunt them like we can so,

1389
01:17:28,760 --> 01:17:31,759
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm like super grateful for that. Um hey,

1390
01:17:31,800 --> 01:17:33,400
Speaker 1: thank you guys so much for being a part of

1391
01:17:33,439 --> 01:17:35,000
Speaker 1: the bear grease surrender