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Speaker 1: Harrison and Isaiah stand back, our residence super Bowl champion.
Speaker 1: We are the Talking Cowboys crew as we get you
Speaker 1: set for an hour worth of Dallas Cowboys coverage over
Speaker 1: training camp here in twenty twenty, and really what is
Speaker 1: probably one of the more storyline filled weeks of Cowboys
Speaker 1: offseason into preseason so far. We've got live game action,
Speaker 1: actual hitting, Rob today's practice, and then of course Earl
Speaker 1: Thomas news to talk about as he is now a
Speaker 1: free agent. We'll get to all of that coming up
Speaker 1: in the next hour, but Rob I mentioned the live
Speaker 1: practice and exactly what's been going on here at the
Speaker 1: Star as of wait, was there anything that really stood
Speaker 1: out to you today before we get into some of
Speaker 1: the Earl Thomas talk. Well, I didn't get to see
Speaker 1: a whole lot because of the Earl Thomas talk. I
Speaker 1: was socially distanced in the hallway trying to listen to
Speaker 1: Jerry Jones on the fan and figure out what the
Speaker 1: Cowboys want to do with ET. But you're right, they're
Speaker 1: starting to ramp up a little bit, and I believe
Speaker 1: they're just now getting through their installation period, which you
Speaker 1: think about how compressed this camp is. You normally installation
Speaker 1: offense defense in the spring, so they're trying to do that. Now,
Speaker 1: review it the next couple of days, and then we've
Speaker 1: got what looks like a scrimmage on Sunday at at
Speaker 1: and T Stadium, and then we'll start to see more
Speaker 1: of the live stuff and really see these guys compete.
Speaker 1: It's getting excited. It is getting exciting, and you're starting
Speaker 1: to see some of the hits. I know previously on
Speaker 1: some Talking Cowboys Isaiah and Heckman, both of you mentioned
Speaker 1: how important it was for Layton Vandersch to get that
Speaker 1: first hit after his neck injury. Well he got it
Speaker 1: to and flatten Tony Pollard on a run he wasn't
Speaker 1: supposed to be a See what it was is he
Speaker 1: laid the hammer on Tony Pollard. But let's go into
Speaker 1: some of this Earl Thomas news. We'll get to plenty
Speaker 1: of practice later on here in the show. But Isaiah,
Speaker 1: this is a former teammate of years who's kind of
Speaker 1: going through some times in his career where it's a
Speaker 1: really a turning point. Of course, he was in Seattle
Speaker 1: for the majority of the start of his career. That's
Speaker 1: where YouTube played together. He was then traded over to
Speaker 1: Baltimore for what was a huge deal where he ended
Speaker 1: up signing with the Ravens and playing only a year
Speaker 1: there before he was cut earlier this week. The biggest
Speaker 1: question mark now is where does he go from here?
Speaker 1: Is he somebody that Cowboys could potentially go after? But
Speaker 1: I want to hear first count of somebody who's played
Speaker 1: with you want on your football team. Absolutely. Earl Thomas
Speaker 1: and myself we played together his rookie year, him and
Speaker 1: Camp Chances actually back when the legion boom was was
Speaker 1: nice and it was fire back home in Seattle. But
Speaker 1: I played with him my rookie year, and I can
Speaker 1: tell you guys firsthand, this is one of the most competitive,
Speaker 1: hard working, loyal, dedicated individuals that you guys could ever
Speaker 1: hope for to be on your team. Over over his
Speaker 1: past few years, he's went through a lot, right, And
Speaker 1: I don't make excuses for anybody, but you take somebody,
Speaker 1: you think about the characteristic of somebody like that, who
Speaker 1: works hard, who gets everything to organization, who puts it
Speaker 1: all out there in terms of, you know, being great
Speaker 1: teammates and a loyal and then all of a sudden
Speaker 1: for Seattle to kind of do them the way that
Speaker 1: he did them, he was hurt, right, So you saw
Speaker 1: a kind of his exit after he got hurt. Right,
Speaker 1: he was mad the whole middle finger thing he was.
Speaker 1: He was he was deeply hurt because he had he
Speaker 1: was fully committed to that organization and he didn't feel
Speaker 1: like they were committed to him. So that he leaves there, right, Um,
Speaker 1: he goes to a whole new team. He goes out there,
Speaker 1: he does what Earl does, right, he balls out. But
Speaker 1: then he has some issues obviously off the field, and
Speaker 1: then in terms of his latest thing, it sounds like
Speaker 1: it was almost an excuse just to get rid of them.
Speaker 1: So I'm gonna be rid with you. It sounds like
Speaker 1: it was almost an excuse just to get rid of them.
Speaker 1: We all don't know what was going on internally within
Speaker 1: that organization, but I can tell you, guys what this
Speaker 1: It sounds like the Gallboys have a great opportunity to
Speaker 1: get one of the greatest players in the league for
Speaker 1: a discount. Double check. You heard it here, first discount,
Speaker 1: double check. Earl's gonna bring the fire. I can tell you, guys,
Speaker 1: he's working his tail off at home. I bet you
Speaker 1: he probably goes on the toilet with a him. That's
Speaker 1: how serious this dude is. I been playing ball. That's
Speaker 1: the line of the day. Nobody can shop that one. No,
Speaker 1: we might as want to just go ahead and cut
Speaker 1: it out. We might as well just end the show
Speaker 1: because nothing can top with Isaiah just said. But I
Speaker 1: kind of want to take something that Isaiah just said.
Speaker 1: He's one of the greatest defensive players in the league
Speaker 1: right now. Is that still true? Is this still the
Speaker 1: same player that we were, at least as Cowboys fans
Speaker 1: were looking at last year as a guy who is
Speaker 1: an instant game changer on the defensive side of the football. Man,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna start off what I have to say with
Speaker 1: saying et phone home, we need you. It's not even
Speaker 1: the question of what Earl Thomas brings to this team.
Speaker 1: If you just go if you've ever been in a
Speaker 1: meeting room and you're looking at the depth chart and
Speaker 1: you have guys lined up, a seventy percent of Earl
Speaker 1: Thomas gives you more than what you have right now.
Speaker 1: And that's not a disc to these other guys. You're
Speaker 1: looking at the NFL All decade, an NFL All decade guy,
Speaker 1: guy that has thirty interceptions. What he's gonna bring to
Speaker 1: the Cowboys, please bring to the Cowboys. It's gonna be
Speaker 1: a guy that we've heard. This word hybrid, interchangeable is
Speaker 1: another word that we're gonna add to the words of
Speaker 1: twenty twenty. He gives you all of that. You can
Speaker 1: play him anywhere. If you think about what we had
Speaker 1: with Chris Rashard last year, and that's why it made
Speaker 1: it so attractive, because we played Cover three the majority
Speaker 1: of the time. But look, most NFL teams, they show
Speaker 1: you Cover two and they play Cover three. That's what
Speaker 1: they want to do anyway. And this is a guy
Speaker 1: that you can disguise all of your looks. And I
Speaker 1: have to say this as well, if you sign Earl Thomas,
Speaker 1: what that's gonna do is nullify the injury to Gerald
Speaker 1: McCoy because of all the things that you can do
Speaker 1: on the back half of your defense. That is just
Speaker 1: something that we have to look at as a team
Speaker 1: because he's gonna make us that much better. Rob, do
Speaker 1: you agree while Isaiah said about being a great teammate,
Speaker 1: that's really good to hear because I think the biggest
Speaker 1: question people were asking, maybe the Cowboys were asking too,
Speaker 1: is is how the locker room would fit with Earl
Speaker 1: coming in because of what happened in Baltimore and because
Speaker 1: the reports are the players decided, players were part of
Speaker 1: that discussion that you know he needed to move on.
Speaker 1: So you know, but we've got to play a former
Speaker 1: player right here that says he's a great team I
Speaker 1: think that's important to factor in. And you know, the
Speaker 1: Cowboys have done their homework on Earl Thomas before. I mean,
Speaker 1: he was a free agent a year ago. There was
Speaker 1: a trade speculation before that. Chris Rochard has heck mentioned
Speaker 1: been here for two years. They have an idea of
Speaker 1: what kind of player and what kind of person is.
Speaker 1: We all know what kind of player he is for
Speaker 1: sure on the field, and I you know what Jerry
Speaker 1: said on the fan not closing the door. It leads
Speaker 1: me to believe there's still some discussion going on internally
Speaker 1: on what kind of fit would be on the field
Speaker 1: off the field. And the other thing about it, too
Speaker 1: is what I don't think it makes a good business
Speaker 1: sense to come out and say on on on public radio,
Speaker 1: Hey we're not interested in somebody. You always keep your
Speaker 1: options open. They're in the middle of padded practices at
Speaker 1: training camp. Even if you're maybe leading in the other direction,
Speaker 1: Guys can get hurt, things can happen, and your your
Speaker 1: needs can definitely change on a dime. So I think
Speaker 1: we just all have to stay tuned on this one
Speaker 1: and Rob before Kyle comes in. I know he's about
Speaker 1: to come in on us, but I want to just
Speaker 1: ask this question as if we were all playing GM.
Speaker 1: Let's all play GM, all right, if you have some
Speaker 1: If you have money, first of all, which we now
Speaker 1: have right because McCoy's gone, right and we had the
Speaker 1: injury waiver, so there's money there, and you have one
Speaker 1: of the best players, not even it's not even a
Speaker 1: question in the league, right, and you have him available
Speaker 1: at a position that you're trying to fit somebody into.
Speaker 1: Why would you not take this opportunity when he's only
Speaker 1: had one stop where he had an issue with somebody,
Speaker 1: and that's obviously with the Ravens, right right right, Why
Speaker 1: would you not You're a go ahead. Heck, it's not
Speaker 1: even a question. It's not. Don't I really don't. I
Speaker 1: don't understand where people are coming from when they say that, oh,
Speaker 1: this guy had he's a problem in your locker room.
Speaker 1: Maybe he was a problem for the Ravens. I don't
Speaker 1: know what their culture is like. And I know I
Speaker 1: respect the heck out of Ozzie Smith, Ozzie all of
Speaker 1: those guys and knew some excuse me, Obsie knew him
Speaker 1: in Baltimore. I think he's one of the greatest of
Speaker 1: his time. But you have to understand that sometimes when
Speaker 1: a guy wants out of a situation, he may do
Speaker 1: everything in his power to try and get out of
Speaker 1: that situation. Hey, I've been in some bad relationships where
Speaker 1: I've done a lot of things to get out, and
Speaker 1: I'll make it your idea. And the Baltimore Ravens just
Speaker 1: made Hey, we gotta get rid of you. We have
Speaker 1: to get you out of town. And it doesn't look
Speaker 1: good as far as the esthetics of it to hear
Speaker 1: the leadership counsel when to management to say that we
Speaker 1: have to get rid of this guy because he's toxic
Speaker 1: in the locker room. But I'm not gonna use that
Speaker 1: as an indictment. On a ten. You're a veteran who
Speaker 1: has played at the highest level his entire career, and
Speaker 1: then you and then you factor in the fact that
Speaker 1: you you have a team right now that is still
Speaker 1: a relatively young team and he has thirteen playoff games
Speaker 1: under his belt. That's that's a that's ten more than
Speaker 1: Dak and that's eight more or six more than Haha has.
Speaker 1: And this is a veteran guy that tells you the
Speaker 1: kind of experience that he has, it's going to help
Speaker 1: you later in the system and deep into that playoff run.
Speaker 1: I claim in it, and I'm telling you he's the
Speaker 1: guy for it. And how many Super Bowl rings do
Speaker 1: we have on that side of the ball. Oh my god,
Speaker 1: not a zero. We don't have nothing on that kind
Speaker 1: of the ball. I'm just gonna have everboded any value there.
Speaker 1: I just just wondering. Zero. One of the biggest things
Speaker 1: to me whenever it comes to the Earl Thomas signing
Speaker 1: is whether or not he fits football wise? Does he
Speaker 1: really fit what the Cowboys want to do. I know,
Speaker 1: understandingly we're getting it from a former teammate. He's saying
Speaker 1: that he is good in the locker room. But just
Speaker 1: like Jerry said in his interview with one h five
Speaker 1: point three the Fan today, was this is something that
Speaker 1: it has to go with what we're doing. It has
Speaker 1: to go with exactly what we have at safety. That's
Speaker 1: what it has to go with it. Because but Mike
Speaker 1: McCarthy kind of answered that question indirectly when he said
Speaker 1: the other day that the safeties are interchangeable. So if
Speaker 1: that's the case, he can play anywhere. And I think
Speaker 1: we know he can play anywhere anyway. You guys make
Speaker 1: a compelling case. I mean, I'm just saying what the
Speaker 1: reports are out of Baltimore. I don't know Earl Thomas
Speaker 1: at all. I'm just saying that's what's out there. But
Speaker 1: you know, from a perspective of what this defense needs,
Speaker 1: they need takeaways, he can do that. He's got thirty
Speaker 1: career interceptions. The other thing is too that jumped out
Speaker 1: and in and Jerry didn't speak to this, but Jerry's
Speaker 1: got a long memory. Right ninety two, they needed one
Speaker 1: more piece to win the Super Bowl, and it was
Speaker 1: it was Charles Haley. It was one missing piece. And
Speaker 1: the Cowboys are built. They have built this team to win. Now,
Speaker 1: you do not hire Mike McCarthy if you don't think
Speaker 1: you're close. You would hire a younger coach and try
Speaker 1: to rebuild. So I wonder how much is that is
Speaker 1: the thinking, like, are we really just one piece away
Speaker 1: defensively from from getting this thing done? Right? Right? Hey,
Speaker 1: let me ask you this qua this question. If you're
Speaker 1: coming off of the domessy violence stuff that Earl has, right,
Speaker 1: there's no question going back into a locker room setting
Speaker 1: understanding what you just came off of, you're going to
Speaker 1: get clowned. You're gonna get clowned. Right, we all know
Speaker 1: the situation. We don't have to dive into it. You're
Speaker 1: gonna people are gonna talk about it, laughing about you.
Speaker 1: Every little joke's gonna be about you. When you're in practice,
Speaker 1: You're gonna it's gonna get heated. And let me let
Speaker 1: me just in case people don't know, there is a
Speaker 1: fight every single day in training camp, at every training camp.
Speaker 1: You guys don't hear about it. If you guys don't
Speaker 1: see it, but somebody's getting their haid and taking off
Speaker 1: and somebody's getting punched every day. Okay, So if that happens,
Speaker 1: So that's what I said, it's kind of a scapego.
Speaker 1: So I don't know what's going on in the locker room.
Speaker 1: But what I do know is Earl Thomas. As we
Speaker 1: look at our secondary that we have right now, he
Speaker 1: would be the only name that you would need to
Speaker 1: know every time you come to the secondary. You need
Speaker 1: to know where he's out on the field. As we
Speaker 1: stand right now, there's nobody that's that threatening in the
Speaker 1: secondary now. You have to know where they're at as
Speaker 1: a defensive I mean, as an offensive players, as a quarterback,
Speaker 1: when you sat up to the line of scrimmage, you
Speaker 1: better identify where the hit Earl Thomas is at. And
Speaker 1: that's where he provides to his team. And the other
Speaker 1: part about what Earl Thomas provides if you look at yourself,
Speaker 1: if you look at your rookie Diggs, and let's just
Speaker 1: say the Cowboys coaching staff that saying when loser draw,
Speaker 1: he's going to be our first day guy, Earl Thomas
Speaker 1: behind Diggs. Oh my god. It gives that rookie just
Speaker 1: the opportunity to trust his eyes on everything that's in
Speaker 1: front of him because Earl Thomas would have his whole back.
Speaker 1: This is a situation where if you bring Earl Thomas
Speaker 1: the air that that puts you in in the NFL,
Speaker 1: I mean the San Francisco forty nine ers, the other
Speaker 1: other like the Tampa Bay defenses, Dallas would be right
Speaker 1: there as far as championship level defenses. On paper, all
Speaker 1: I'm saying is that it to me, it sounds like
Speaker 1: the Cowboys are in a win win situation with a
Speaker 1: guy who's already gonna get ten million dollars from another
Speaker 1: team of as far as their cap it, and so
Speaker 1: his bank account is on Charlie West. You gotta sign him.
Speaker 1: That's that's he's gonna happen. You do bring up the
Speaker 1: financial component of it, though, and we don't know, you know,
Speaker 1: how much money the Ravens are gonna get from him
Speaker 1: based on you know, there's gonna be a grievance probably
Speaker 1: and they're gonna try to say it was violation of
Speaker 1: team rules or whatever and try so it may change
Speaker 1: what he wants from a team. However, I will say this,
Speaker 1: if this is the place he's always wanted to be
Speaker 1: running up to Jason Garrett said, come get me, he's
Speaker 1: you know, if he comes here, then he's gonna do
Speaker 1: what I would imagine, whatever he needs to do to
Speaker 1: be fit in. So discount a check. I to tell
Speaker 1: you when Earl's happy, right, Earl was a leader of that.
Speaker 1: When you guys talk about the legion of Boom, who
Speaker 1: do you think head at that up? We hear, we
Speaker 1: hear about Richard Sherman all the time. But seeing this internally,
Speaker 1: if these guys were Kim Cam Chancellor, Richard Sherman, right Brown,
Speaker 1: or all those guys, Earl would be the one that
Speaker 1: would call those guys together and say, hey, we're going
Speaker 1: here to work out. Earl would be the one that say, hey,
Speaker 1: come over and let's we'll watch the film in my house.
Speaker 1: That was Earl. So that's why you saw him so
Speaker 1: angry when he left Seattle and how he left, because
Speaker 1: he did he did that. He was the founding father
Speaker 1: of that of the legion of boom. So I'm just
Speaker 1: saying it right here. If they miss on this, they
Speaker 1: will regretted. They will regret it because that is the
Speaker 1: only missing piece. They have a great defensive line, they
Speaker 1: have a great linebacker corps. They need somebody who's an
Speaker 1: absolute dog in the secondary. And that's why we talk
Speaker 1: about it so much, because we don't have a dog
Speaker 1: in the secondary. Whether it was Jabal Adams or now
Speaker 1: Earl Thomas, it's it's been a topic of conversation. But Isaiah,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna tell you right now, I'm not sold yet.
Speaker 1: I'm not Honora Old Thomas on the acquisition. I want
Speaker 1: to know. I want to have more information. I do,
Speaker 1: I really do. I want to know exactly what went
Speaker 1: on in Baltimore to the point where it's not worth
Speaker 1: the risk anymore to me, because you've got the momentum
Speaker 1: right now, even though the secondary, of course, you brought
Speaker 1: in a guy. You brought in a veteran and haha,
Speaker 1: Clinton Dick. So we're gonna talk about him at coming
Speaker 1: up here in this next segment. But seemingly there's some
Speaker 1: discontent there already. Would it just explode that discontent? That's
Speaker 1: my question. Would that be something that could be a
Speaker 1: trouble some move later on if you bring an explosive
Speaker 1: guy like Earl Thomas, Hey, hey Kyle, let me let me,
Speaker 1: let me, let me do this. There's there's been there's
Speaker 1: been a there's been a lot of attention on Haha
Speaker 1: Clinton Dix. He's a good pick up, no differencepec. He's
Speaker 1: a good player. He's a good player. We're talking about
Speaker 1: great player, right, So we're asking a good player in
Speaker 1: Haha Clinton Dix to take the throne of being rate
Speaker 1: and to be this magnificent leader all of a sudden
Speaker 1: of all these young guys that are he surrounded around. Now,
Speaker 1: you take somebody like Earl who's already done this before, right,
Speaker 1: name another secondary has been called legion of boom or
Speaker 1: anything of that in that category right when he helped
Speaker 1: heat created that. So you take somebody who was taking
Speaker 1: leadership in that regard before and brought a whole youth,
Speaker 1: a whole young group together before and made them super
Speaker 1: duper effective within the system they're working in. Oh and
Speaker 1: by the way, you give him already a veteran safety
Speaker 1: to play Alongsidely, what are we even talking about? Well,
Speaker 1: I think Thomas can I Tommy wearing a yellow jacket
Speaker 1: one day, gold jacket exactly. Will Here's my question back
Speaker 1: to you, Yeah, Hm to be worth the risk? What
Speaker 1: makes him so special to get to that point because
Speaker 1: I'm not sold. He's the same player that was the
Speaker 1: legion of boom that was back he went to the
Speaker 1: promo last year what are you doing last year? What
Speaker 1: are you last? And we all agreed that that probably
Speaker 1: wasn't that the best thing? Man? They're not handed out
Speaker 1: free tickets to Hawaii. I know they're not going to
Speaker 1: Hawaiki anywere is not just a they don't give those
Speaker 1: guys no. If you disregard Earl Thomas's Pro Bowl and
Speaker 1: you better disregard Jalen Thomas, I mean j j Jalen
Speaker 1: Janna Smiths. That the window. That's That's how I appreciate Kyle.
Speaker 1: Listen right now, right now on the defense, I can
Speaker 1: tell you if Earl Thomas walked on this team right now,
Speaker 1: how ready will go down? He would be the most
Speaker 1: feared player on his defense right now, right now, most
Speaker 1: feared over Tank, Lawrence Everson, Griffin, Layton vander esh Absolutely,
Speaker 1: you know why I could you would chip on those
Speaker 1: you could chip on those guys. I could put an
Speaker 1: extra tight end right there, and I could chip on
Speaker 1: those guys, and I can I could affect. I can,
Speaker 1: I can have an effect over how how productive they are.
Speaker 1: Earl's sitting back there looking at you running around. I
Speaker 1: guarantee you Earl still runs a flour or four. Guarantee you,
Speaker 1: at the very least he's running four to three. I
Speaker 1: bet you if he fell off, he runs a four
Speaker 1: or four now, and guess what He's going to run
Speaker 1: around sideline the sideline and he's going to hit you
Speaker 1: in your chess cavity without any regard of his body.
Speaker 1: You need that, and you need that on your team.
Speaker 1: We want that on our team because Earl Thomas is
Speaker 1: a scud missile from the free safety position and you
Speaker 1: don't have that. Right now, you were talking about comparing
Speaker 1: apples to apples or ours however you want to put it.
Speaker 1: Earl Thomas is not none of that. He is a
Speaker 1: whole other category. And so if we say, oh, father time,
Speaker 1: which is undefeated, has caught up with Earl Thomas and
Speaker 1: he isn't what he was when he got started in
Speaker 1: the NFL. Well, even at seventy percent, Kyle, He's better
Speaker 1: than what we have and you cannot disregard that. Don't
Speaker 1: talk yourself out of it. Don't let nobody trick us
Speaker 1: out our spot right now. I made you all bored
Speaker 1: with this coast side it dog, don't do it. Talk
Speaker 1: to him. So if I if I hear this right,
Speaker 1: Robin and Henck and obviously Kyle a rusty and washed
Speaker 1: up earl Thomas can still make the Pro Bowl? Is
Speaker 1: that what I'm hearing? He still made the Pro Bowl?
Speaker 1: Still did and and he had and you know, PF
Speaker 1: and the metrics guys said he had a good year. Still,
Speaker 1: how many how many safeties going? I know, Rob, I
Speaker 1: know you know how many safeties go to the Pro Bowl?
Speaker 1: Just a couple? Right, Yeah, it's not a lot. Yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: I was just gonna let that one sit for a
Speaker 1: little bit. Similar a little bit. I see exactly what
Speaker 1: you guys are doing here. You're teaming up on me.
Speaker 1: But I hear, how about no, No, you got to learn.
Speaker 1: You got to learn, don't don't you do it take
Speaker 1: for you to say yes? Number wise? And what would
Speaker 1: be that that definitive for a comment? I have no idea.
Speaker 1: I mean, I think Isaiah made a good point in
Speaker 1: terms of they have space and I and look the
Speaker 1: Tyrant Smith restructure. I think that was more of a coincidence.
Speaker 1: It happened to be the same the same day. I
Speaker 1: guess that he got cut from Baltimore, that they restructure
Speaker 1: Tyrant Smith here, But that does create more space. I
Speaker 1: think they are looking towards twenty twenty one and the
Speaker 1: potential of having to franchise dak possibly at thirty eight million,
Speaker 1: but they do have cap space to do something. I look,
Speaker 1: I mean these guys, Isaiah has swayed me. I think
Speaker 1: I feel like in terms of what he can bring
Speaker 1: on the field and the other thing. If you just
Speaker 1: look at this big picture and we'll see what happens here.
Speaker 1: Obviously they have not reached out to him yet. But
Speaker 1: Everson Griffin was just sitting out there, Seedee Lamb was
Speaker 1: just sitting there at seventeen in April. It's like the
Speaker 1: stars are just aligned for the bastliest man. It's crazy.
Speaker 1: It's crazy. And Stephen even said in an interview last
Speaker 1: week where he was referred to the Everson Griffin signing,
Speaker 1: and he said, we look at player acquisition to be
Speaker 1: three hundred and sixty five days a year. However, we
Speaker 1: didn't talk about Everson Griffin until after it was done.
Speaker 1: There was no lead up. There was really no look
Speaker 1: into Everson Griffin. Sure Cowboys fans wanted him, but you
Speaker 1: didn't hear You didn't see the smoke where the fire
Speaker 1: was coming from. You didn't hear that from Cowboys camp
Speaker 1: until it was done. So the fact that they're laying
Speaker 1: low and the fact that Jerry says, hey, the door's
Speaker 1: not closed on Earl Thomas yet, it doesn't mean it's happening,
Speaker 1: but it doesn't mean it won't happen at the same time,
Speaker 1: And just a reminder for all of you out there,
Speaker 1: safeties at least or across the board average in the
Speaker 1: NFL make the second least about the money in their contracts,
Speaker 1: only trailing tight ends. And that may even change because
Speaker 1: you see the contracts of Travis Kelsey, George Kittle in
Speaker 1: a couple more to come. So safeties ultimately could be
Speaker 1: pretty cheap on the open market, and whenever you have
Speaker 1: a guy like Earl Thomas there may end up potentially
Speaker 1: being that enticing for the Cowboys to make a signing.
Speaker 1: But we come back we'll talk more about this safety
Speaker 1: group because did haha Clinton Dix lose his starting spot
Speaker 1: even without the signing of Earl Thomas. We'll talk about
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Speaker 1: we have lost Kyle and we're gonna trying to get
Speaker 1: We're gonna get through this guy's because Kyle Yeoman's is
Speaker 1: in the studio and he's supposed to have the best
Speaker 1: WiFi in the world, but he is the one guy
Speaker 1: that cannot find the connection. What guys in this segment,
Speaker 1: we had talked about doing a stock up and stopped
Speaker 1: down and we started this what do you think, Rob,
Speaker 1: maybe ten or so episodes ago where we were saying,
Speaker 1: whose guys, what guys stopped would be up at this
Speaker 1: point or down at this point? Up and so a
Speaker 1: couple of the names and one of the names are
Speaker 1: gonna we're gonna throw out is stock up stock down
Speaker 1: on Haha, Clinton Dixon, Rob, I'll start with you, Well,
Speaker 1: if Earl Thomas is on his way to town at
Speaker 1: some point, definitely down right and that now, and there's
Speaker 1: obviously there's restrictions of what we can say about practice obviously,
Speaker 1: Darry and Thompson though, is off to a really good
Speaker 1: start in training camp and he's part of that rotation.
Speaker 1: Mike McCarthy was very complimentary of what he's been able
Speaker 1: to do. And really that Thompson that goes back to
Speaker 1: when Jason Garrett was head coached. He told us, you know,
Speaker 1: he's a really sharp safety in terms of getting guys
Speaker 1: lined up and making sound decisions back there. I'm surprised
Speaker 1: about Hah a little bit early just because of his
Speaker 1: history with McCarthy, But so yeah, I would say down
Speaker 1: a little bit right now, just because the Cowboys are
Speaker 1: at least exploring options at the safety position, and I
Speaker 1: think Xavier Woods a spot at free safety secure. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go ahead and say stock down a little
Speaker 1: bit as well. Um, for a couple of reasons. The
Speaker 1: fact that you're you're hearing in some of these younger guys, um,
Speaker 1: you know, kind of get in the rotation. But at
Speaker 1: the same time, he's a vet, right, and you want
Speaker 1: to always take care of your vets, um you and
Speaker 1: you know physically, so you want to make sure that
Speaker 1: they take some reps off, especially with they're not being
Speaker 1: any preseason games, to go out there um and kind
Speaker 1: of get get a sense of what's going on. So
Speaker 1: you kind of want to give those guys a breather.
Speaker 1: So I don't want to put too much weight on
Speaker 1: what's going on in terms of the rotation at practice.
Speaker 1: If Earl does show up, I don't see that as
Speaker 1: too much of a stock down either, Rob. I do
Speaker 1: see that more of as a complimentary position there. I
Speaker 1: think you. I think you automatically have two veterans in
Speaker 1: there that would that would play really well off of
Speaker 1: each other. And one thing is it's not one position
Speaker 1: that's going to be asked to do more than the other.
Speaker 1: In that regard, they would just be a compliment to
Speaker 1: each other. So I think his stock is down right
Speaker 1: now just because nobody can see him play and nobody
Speaker 1: can see him practice and you're hearing. All you're hearing
Speaker 1: is the rotation is going through. But overall he's a event.
Speaker 1: I think he would be perfectly fine. If anything, these
Speaker 1: young guys are gonna bring that competitive aspect back down
Speaker 1: of him as a veteran. You know, he Isaiah, you
Speaker 1: bring up a great point because I'll say, from watching
Speaker 1: in practice, I haven't seen Haha struggled really necessarily at all.
Speaker 1: And there are a lot of rotations going on right now.
Speaker 1: I mean, I've we've seen a lot of change at
Speaker 1: the defensive line, offensive line. I saw Blake Jarwin at
Speaker 1: one point working with backups and then he's right back in.
Speaker 1: They're getting a look at a lot of different guys.
Speaker 1: So I mean point, and I have to think about it.
Speaker 1: We don't have a preseason. We don't have the preseason, right,
Speaker 1: So if you don't have preseason games and you can't
Speaker 1: see what guys like in different situations, the only thing
Speaker 1: that you have is practice. So you gotta cycle guys
Speaker 1: through to see how they're gonna respond. You got to
Speaker 1: see how guys are going to react to different situations
Speaker 1: and all those things. So not not stressing at all. Yeah, Chris,
Speaker 1: you got him new too, Mike, he did it, he
Speaker 1: did it, he did it. We're hearing everything double time.
Speaker 1: But I would say, for me, stock up on Haha.
Speaker 1: And the reason I say that is because we haven't
Speaker 1: had any preseason games. Look, because of COVID nineteen, it
Speaker 1: is presented a different layer for how you evaluate players.
Speaker 1: And I just feel as though that experience that Haha
Speaker 1: has is evaluable to this team. When we look at
Speaker 1: Worldly at the veteran cornerback, everyone is talking about the
Speaker 1: value add that he brings with his experience. I think
Speaker 1: Haha brings that as well. And I think you want
Speaker 1: to evaluate all of these guys because you don't have
Speaker 1: any preseason games. So Lenny Thompson run with the ones.
Speaker 1: I believe that it's smart. But at the same time,
Speaker 1: I don't think that because of that that says that
Speaker 1: you know, this guy is no good. Agreed, Mike, Mike McCarthy.
Speaker 1: If there's anyone that knows what he has in that
Speaker 1: particular player, it's Mike McCarthy. Now, I did hear we
Speaker 1: had Kyle back, but I don't hear him, did you
Speaker 1: guys here? I don't see him or hearing you know,
Speaker 1: you know, fell off his internet because the football guys
Speaker 1: were so disrespected by what he said earlier in the
Speaker 1: show about Earl then they just they just canceled his
Speaker 1: whole internet over there at the Star. And I'm not
Speaker 1: sure he even meant it either. Yeah no, but but
Speaker 1: yeah no, I mean in terms of how how guys,
Speaker 1: I think he'll be perfectly fine. So I said stock down,
Speaker 1: But I'm going ahead and say flatline because you don't
Speaker 1: need your events to having a bunch of reps at practice.
Speaker 1: You know what they're gonna be capable of doing whenever
Speaker 1: one week one shows up. Now the next player that
Speaker 1: we had on stock up stock down, and you would
Speaker 1: you would probably say that his stock is down because
Speaker 1: Ceedee Lamb is putting on a show every day. Everything
Speaker 1: I hear on Twitter from what the rookie is doing is,
Speaker 1: oh my god, he did a some assault and caught
Speaker 1: the ball. And Almari Cooper amar Amari Cooper is also
Speaker 1: seeming is informed at camp as well. But Michael Gallup,
Speaker 1: which you say, Michael Gallup is a stock up or
Speaker 1: as he is stock down guy, Isaiah, you're the resident
Speaker 1: wide receiver, so we'll start with you. I think gallup
Speaker 1: stock is up. I mean, why wouldn't it be. I mean,
Speaker 1: he has two other guys to playoff of. I don't
Speaker 1: think there's any question that he's still probably number two
Speaker 1: out there, So, I mean, he still has a speed
Speaker 1: as far as as far as I'm concerned, as far
Speaker 1: as I've known about him right now, I have been
Speaker 1: able to see practice, But I don't see a reason
Speaker 1: why his stock would be down right now. If anything,
Speaker 1: he's gonna have more one on one opportunities going into
Speaker 1: this season. If CD's anything like I'm like the reports
Speaker 1: are stating, then somebody's gonna have to cover him. They're
Speaker 1: gonna have to bring a number three in to cover him,
Speaker 1: whether he's in a slot or outside. Somebody that's respectable
Speaker 1: is gonna have to cover this dude, and what does
Speaker 1: that lead Gallabat. You could talk about all these other receivers,
Speaker 1: Cooping and Guy and CD all you want to give
Speaker 1: me your third guy, I'll take your third guy all
Speaker 1: day long. He's gonna blow right by him, absolutely, Rob
Speaker 1: stock Up, stock Up. Yeah, CD's gotten all the headlines
Speaker 1: and look rightfully, so Amari has just been I think
Speaker 1: with Amari, Amari is just a Mari. You expect it
Speaker 1: from him and he's not outspoken, but he just gets
Speaker 1: the job done. But Gallops made his share of plays too.
Speaker 1: Dak had a beautiful back shoulder throw to him for
Speaker 1: a touchdown yesterday. I think he's arguably the most explosive
Speaker 1: wide receiver they have, you know, getting to top speed
Speaker 1: and separating from from DB's he's been productive. And the
Speaker 1: other thing Adam Henry wide receivers coach spoke about it
Speaker 1: the other day with us, those top three guys have
Speaker 1: really started to bond they. You know, Amari has said
Speaker 1: he's an open book for CD, and I think it
Speaker 1: goes the same with Gallup. I think those three are
Speaker 1: really building their chemistry and the only thing Gallup needs
Speaker 1: for me is just cut down some of those drops.
Speaker 1: Last year he had some of those drops that he
Speaker 1: blamed himself for. If he can do that, he's the
Speaker 1: sky's the limit for him. I think he's really got
Speaker 1: a chance to be a Paro Bowl receiver. It just
Speaker 1: comes down to the amount of touches you can get
Speaker 1: in this offense. Yeah, Michael Gallup has got to be
Speaker 1: tickled with that rookie, with the signing of Ceedee Lamb
Speaker 1: and knowing the kind of dog that he has and
Speaker 1: Amari Cooper. The word is getting out to the rest
Speaker 1: of the NFL what Ceedee Lamb is doing in camp,
Speaker 1: and all that does is that make That's gonna make
Speaker 1: defense is the heightened sense of awareness of where these
Speaker 1: two guys are nineteen and eighty eight. Maybe, just maybe
Speaker 1: people are gonna say, oh, Michael Gallup, we can leave
Speaker 1: you one on one with one of our slot guys.
Speaker 1: And that's where Michael Gallup starts to eat. So all
Speaker 1: of the talking and he wants to probably stay as
Speaker 1: quiet as he possibly can. But the rest of the NFL,
Speaker 1: not knowing schematically how the Cowboys are gonna line up.
Speaker 1: I'm saying, I'm saying stock up for Michael Gallup. But
Speaker 1: as far as our next player, and I think this
Speaker 1: is very interesting because as far as this seat the
Speaker 1: cornerback group, everyone is hearing the word on a Woozier
Speaker 1: in some of these plays that he's making in camp,
Speaker 1: Rob you had to write up about him about a
Speaker 1: Woozier stock up, stock down on Cheetah, stock up, stock up.
Speaker 1: He has been you know, I think the most encouraging
Speaker 1: thing about practice so far for me, beyond the defensive line,
Speaker 1: is you see different dbs step up every single day.
Speaker 1: You know, it's been Anthony Brown some days, Dry Walley
Speaker 1: has been productive pretty much every day, it seems like,
Speaker 1: and Cheeto's writing a mixed two now. I think he
Speaker 1: was limited today in practice, didn't do much after what
Speaker 1: appeared to be kind of strain in his leg in
Speaker 1: practice yesterday, but he was flying around before that, had
Speaker 1: had a leaping interception and team drills on Dak in
Speaker 1: a two minute situation where the offense needed a field
Speaker 1: goal to go win the game. He's been like that
Speaker 1: throughoute camp. He's been competitive against these top receivers. And
Speaker 1: I asked Mike Nolan, new defensive coordinator, about it. A
Speaker 1: couple of days ago, and he said, look, they liked
Speaker 1: their numbers there and the fact we just mentioned out
Speaker 1: going against these wide receivers day today is going to
Speaker 1: make all the dbs better. And I think Cheeto's been
Speaker 1: really good so far. Rob. I'm back by the way,
Speaker 1: and I want to kind of go off of the
Speaker 1: point that you just made, because that was something I
Speaker 1: was really thinking about today, was you see the growth
Speaker 1: in trey Von Diggs. You see the growth and Anthony
Speaker 1: Brown and what he's able to do with the DBS
Speaker 1: and in the slot. But I really think ultimately it's
Speaker 1: super encouraging to see Gallop and Amari and Ceedee Lamb
Speaker 1: had the success that they do because every time they
Speaker 1: make a spectacular grab, you know, those defensive backs are learning.
Speaker 1: You know, those safeties are learning to come across and
Speaker 1: find a way to give you that help over the top.
Speaker 1: I think overall that's a super encouraging thing. And Isaiah,
Speaker 1: I know you could probably play this as a wide
Speaker 1: receiver who's been through training camp. Was there any given
Speaker 1: take from the offensive side to the defensive side whenever
Speaker 1: there were plays like that? Heck yeah, we got into
Speaker 1: it all the time. I mean, you gotta Remember we
Speaker 1: had a really way had Tarrell owens Um at the
Speaker 1: same time we had pac Man, Jones, Terence Newman, Orlando Scandred,
Speaker 1: Mike Jenkins. You know, so we had a very mouthy group,
Speaker 1: should I say, And you know it was always back
Speaker 1: and forth, you know, and you might during one on ones,
Speaker 1: especially even pre practice, right, somebody make a grab, you know,
Speaker 1: a guy start wolfing, you know, TiO talking to pac Man.
Speaker 1: Tell M I'll come back to the lot of scrimmage. Now,
Speaker 1: let's go right now, you know. So you get that
Speaker 1: back and forth and it's and it's um, it's highly competitive,
Speaker 1: but it's so productive. It's so productive because what better
Speaker 1: setting to have the highest level of competition than in practice?
Speaker 1: Right then? In practice, That's why the more stacked up
Speaker 1: your your your roster is, the more the more depth
Speaker 1: that you have at each position, the better the opposing
Speaker 1: side of the ball gets because they get better every
Speaker 1: single rep. There's not such a drop off in talent. Right,
Speaker 1: So when I take this, I take these skill sets
Speaker 1: in these practice and I go to the game, guess
Speaker 1: what I've already been facing the best that there is, right,
Speaker 1: there was something equivalent to it, right, So I'm prepared,
Speaker 1: especially when there's no preseason, right, So these guys are
Speaker 1: going to be in there battling every single day, Louisia
Speaker 1: and all those other guys. It has to be the
Speaker 1: most highly competitive group on our team. It has to be,
Speaker 1: right because there's so many unknowns. So these guys are
Speaker 1: out there not only competing because of the guys on
Speaker 1: the other side of the born in terms of Cooper
Speaker 1: at CD in Gallant, but also because of the fact
Speaker 1: of guess what, we have a lot of depth and
Speaker 1: if I want to play, I gotta show something every
Speaker 1: single day because I don't have a preseason to go
Speaker 1: out there to show that I can ball. I gotta
Speaker 1: show it in his practice rips And by the way,
Speaker 1: Trayvon Dicks, that was his best practice of camp so far.
Speaker 1: One was everywhere today. Yeah, he had a couple pvus,
Speaker 1: was in great position really all the way through. Looked
Speaker 1: comfortable in zone for the first time. I think yesterday
Speaker 1: was really the first practice that I looked at him
Speaker 1: and said, Okay, he looks comfortable. He looks like his
Speaker 1: footworks there, his decision makings there, finally kind of finding
Speaker 1: a groove for the rookie out of Alabama second round pick.
Speaker 1: Now you talk about sink or swim, we kind of
Speaker 1: saw that last year whenever it was Tony Poler thrown
Speaker 1: into the mix with no Ezekiel Elliott at training camp.
Speaker 1: He's our next stock up stock down because I want
Speaker 1: to hear what you guys have to think about Tony Pollard,
Speaker 1: because seemingly from what we've heard from Kellen Moore, from
Speaker 1: this offensive staff, from Skip Pete and really the entire
Speaker 1: coaching staff is they want to get Tony Pollard involved,
Speaker 1: not as a backup running back, but as an added weapon.
Speaker 1: Robin start with you. Stock up, stock down for Tony
Speaker 1: Poler through camp so far stock up, I mean, I think,
Speaker 1: you know, I think they have an opportunity and they
Speaker 1: probably they should not Probably they should get him more involved.
Speaker 1: I think there's a way to get Zeke and Pollard involved,
Speaker 1: sometimes together, sometimes spelling Zeke. Because we talked about versatility
Speaker 1: on defense, Tony Pollard can give you a little bit
Speaker 1: of everything on offense too, and Zeke's trying to do
Speaker 1: the same thing as Zeke has proven he can do
Speaker 1: it in terms of a pass catcher, a blocker, complete back.
Speaker 1: Pollard gives Kellen Moore so any different options as a
Speaker 1: compliment to Elliott, and I think we've seen it in practice.
Speaker 1: He's explosive. I think he has a better grasp on
Speaker 1: the offense than he did last season. But you know,
Speaker 1: I always when we talk about Tony Potter, I always
Speaker 1: go back to what Isaiah said, There's just there's certain
Speaker 1: guys that have so much talent, but you got to
Speaker 1: find a role, You got to find certain snaps. And
Speaker 1: I think the biggest thing that will help him is
Speaker 1: if they're just a better overall team and they build
Speaker 1: leads and they give more opportunities for him to get
Speaker 1: in the game, because I think they were in a
Speaker 1: lot of situations last year where they were in trailing
Speaker 1: and trying to make make things up in the scoreboard. Yeah,
Speaker 1: rob so Ezekiel Elliott is no longer a spring chicken,
Speaker 1: all right, I'll put it that way. We need to
Speaker 1: take some reps off of him, right, You want to
Speaker 1: preserve your number one running back. And I want everybody
Speaker 1: to think back to when the Saints were absolutely bamming out.
Speaker 1: They had two dogs back there, one by the name
Speaker 1: of mark Ingram, one the name Alvin Kamara, and they
Speaker 1: had two totally different styles of play, right, And it
Speaker 1: really reminds me of those guys in terms of what
Speaker 1: these guys have now here in Dallas, what availability they
Speaker 1: have to them right now in the forum of Ezekiel Elliott, right,
Speaker 1: and Tony Poler. You got a guy who's gonna be
Speaker 1: your every down back, who he knows always gonna fall forward. Right,
Speaker 1: He's not necessarily gonna run away from guys all the time,
Speaker 1: but he's gonna give him. He's gonna gi him the hammer.
Speaker 1: He's gonna give our first down, he's gonna give us
Speaker 1: our first and second down efficiency. And then guess what,
Speaker 1: then you bring in your curveball right, and all of
Speaker 1: a sudden, you got to due name Poler, who can
Speaker 1: obviously be your third down back. He could swing out,
Speaker 1: he could run routes one on one on linebackers because
Speaker 1: you're going to have one on one because you can't
Speaker 1: play zone with these three receivers that you have out there.
Speaker 1: Plus you got this dude named Jarwin. They can kind
Speaker 1: of run a little bit fast super his position, So
Speaker 1: you're gonna have man coverage from the running back position,
Speaker 1: and how many linebackers can really cover running backs not
Speaker 1: that many, So they're gonna include him as much as possible.
Speaker 1: As we talked about in the pass on the show,
Speaker 1: Zeke will get his screenplays, but Pauler is gonna get
Speaker 1: worked in or. I think it's not only smart si antically,
Speaker 1: but it's also smart in terms of persevering and bray
Speaker 1: certain terms of preserving Ezekiel Elliott as you want him
Speaker 1: to be on your team for the next six seven years. Now, Kyle,
Speaker 1: you wrote a great article about Tony Pollard and him
Speaker 1: just basically pointing out that he's in a better mental
Speaker 1: space coming into coming into two a days simply because
Speaker 1: he's more aware of what's being asked of him. It
Speaker 1: sounded like to me, just cutting to the chase, I
Speaker 1: know my plays now, you know, and as a rookie,
Speaker 1: are those are some of the things that these guys
Speaker 1: struggle with. It is just learning the playbook. And you
Speaker 1: saw that from Tony Pollard. It's just some of those plays.
Speaker 1: It looked like he was out there and he was
Speaker 1: clueless asked to what to do. Guys, I'm on the
Speaker 1: other end of this and this is stocked down, and
Speaker 1: I'm saying stock down because I don't Yes, exactly. I'm
Speaker 1: saying it because I don't want any rep that is
Speaker 1: taken away from Ezekiel Elliott is a bad rep in
Speaker 1: my In my opinion, I believe he's I believe he's
Speaker 1: a generational talent. I believe he's kind of guy that
Speaker 1: once he gets going and he's eating, you don't want
Speaker 1: to stop that train. And so I just feel as
Speaker 1: though the Cowboys have so many weapons you have to
Speaker 1: fit Tony Pollard into it. But I don't think you
Speaker 1: get Zeke out of rhythm just so that Tony Pollard
Speaker 1: could get a rep. Now, Isaiah, look I have my
Speaker 1: PhD and mama shop debate. So you're ready to do this, Well,
Speaker 1: I'm ready for, I'm ready for. I'm not sure. Heck,
Speaker 1: I know you're I know you're, you know, a football
Speaker 1: minded individual. But this is thing that that they called
Speaker 1: the split back. Have you heard of that. There's a
Speaker 1: thing that they called a split back in and that's
Speaker 1: where you have two running backs in the game at
Speaker 1: one time. So if there's one running back that happens
Speaker 1: to be as you say, eating, um, there's an opportunity
Speaker 1: for you to now bring the second running back in
Speaker 1: and go of split backs right, and then when you
Speaker 1: go split backs, you may take Jarwin out and then
Speaker 1: you still leave Ceedee, Lamb, Gallop and Cooper in the game.
Speaker 1: So now you have your top three receiving individuals and
Speaker 1: your top two runners in the game at the same
Speaker 1: time with a guy named Dak Prescott wearing number four
Speaker 1: at quarterbacks. So that's five weapons out there that that
Speaker 1: defense really doesn't want to face. So you don't have
Speaker 1: to take Zeke out of it. You can just simply
Speaker 1: ad pollardated it to be a complimentary player. I'll go
Speaker 1: with that. Anytime you're talking about complimentary to Ezekiel Elliott,
Speaker 1: I'm all about it. All I'm saying is that this year,
Speaker 1: it seems like all of the stars have a line
Speaker 1: for Ezekiel Elliot. It finally, I finally will have another
Speaker 1: solid breakout here, and I'm talking about fifteen sixteen hundred
Speaker 1: yards is what I'm looking for. Yes, I said it.
Speaker 1: I'm telling you I'm expecting that from him behind this
Speaker 1: offensive line. What I said it, I've said, I'm here
Speaker 1: for it. You and I You and I agree on
Speaker 1: a lot of things, and this is not one of
Speaker 1: those things. A little bit you're talking about you're talking
Speaker 1: about stars aligning for Ezekiel Elliott to be a huntred
Speaker 1: back and have fifteen or sixteen hundred yards sometimes aligning.
Speaker 1: So Ezekiel Elliott does doesn't have to be the featuring
Speaker 1: part of this offense. He can be a key cog.
Speaker 1: He doesn't have to be the featured cog. He can
Speaker 1: be his own person, and he can be his own
Speaker 1: weapon along with Amari Cooper, Michael Gallup and so on
Speaker 1: and so forth. I can completely disagree with you, and
Speaker 1: I love you Hack They always you know this thousand percu.
Speaker 1: I am not so sole. So what you're telling me
Speaker 1: is you would rather have an eleven hundred thousand yard
Speaker 1: eleven hundred yard Ezekiel Elliott with four to five hundred
Speaker 1: yards in the playoffs leading up all the way through
Speaker 1: the Super Bowl, that a sixteen hundred yard Ezekiel Elliott
Speaker 1: that gets out in the first round. Is that what
Speaker 1: you're telling one hundred percent, I don't. He's not built
Speaker 1: like that. He's not He's not built like that. And
Speaker 1: the other part about it is Ezekiel is he's no,
Speaker 1: He's built for this sixteen hundred yards. So you're saying
Speaker 1: eleven hundred yards and and you put on top of
Speaker 1: that the fact that he was under you utilize in
Speaker 1: the passing game last year. Yes, Ezekiel Elliott is an
Speaker 1: asset that you have to use, man always the NFL.
Speaker 1: The NFL, you can have all the receivers for a
Speaker 1: thousand yards you want, and you will be at home
Speaker 1: if you have a running game and you can milk
Speaker 1: that clock. Look man, and you have a defense that
Speaker 1: you could run out there and get and create turnoffers.
Speaker 1: There's no way you don't say, Ezekiel Elliott is our
Speaker 1: bell pow running back and we're gonna ride him all
Speaker 1: the way to Tampa. I said anything that takes them
Speaker 1: all out of Ezekiel held Elliot's hands, I'm not with it.
Speaker 1: Question question, um fellers, how many fifteen hundred yard running
Speaker 1: backs have the Patriots had during their there in their run?
Speaker 1: You did court, maybe Corey Dillon did it. How long
Speaker 1: ago was that? Like? Fifteen years ago? Okay, So you're
Speaker 1: saying that you don't have to have a fifteen hundred
Speaker 1: yard running back in order to be successful in this league.
Speaker 1: I'm not saying that that is a one that's a
Speaker 1: prerequisite to winning a championship. Obvious. Kansas City doesn't have
Speaker 1: a fifteen hundred yard rusher as well, but they don't
Speaker 1: have Ezekiel Elliott. So let's not let's not put perched
Speaker 1: Zeke up as though he's not the man that he is.
Speaker 1: We're not We're not saying that, hey, we're saying that
Speaker 1: you don't have to place those demands on him because
Speaker 1: he has helped. He has help, So that has help.
Speaker 1: Why would you not distribute that amongst everybody so that
Speaker 1: everybody's healthier throughout the year, leading you all the way
Speaker 1: up through a super Bowl, hopefully to Tampa man year.
Speaker 1: Here's the thing about this, Here's here's the thing about
Speaker 1: this debate. It's it's a This is exactly what coaches
Speaker 1: dream about. This is what offensive consolutely dream about, is
Speaker 1: having a debate on oh my gosh, which weapons do
Speaker 1: we use? Oh? We we have so many guys that
Speaker 1: could potentially go fifteen hundred yards or take us to
Speaker 1: a super Bowl if they're healthy. That's a complete what
Speaker 1: is It's go ahead, Kyle, let me ask you this.
Speaker 1: And in a season where you have it, you're not
Speaker 1: gonna have a preseason. The one thing that is constant
Speaker 1: in your offense is you're running back, what is easier
Speaker 1: to turn it around and handed the ball to Ezekielli.
Speaker 1: He has something to prove this year. He was as
Speaker 1: far as first down rushers, he was pretty last in
Speaker 1: the NFL on first down and that had to do
Speaker 1: with the lack of creativity in offense. Dude, we have
Speaker 1: all of those weapons now. So if you have to
Speaker 1: relegate to Amari Cooper and you have to relegate to
Speaker 1: ceedee lamb, that extra man that you had in the
Speaker 1: box last year, he's not gonna be there. So how
Speaker 1: is that plan to turn around and handing the ball
Speaker 1: to twenty one not the likely plan that's gonna get
Speaker 1: you to the super Bowl or give you success. Well,
Speaker 1: I think y'all both right. I think, like Isaiah said,
Speaker 1: Pollard can take some of that off of him. So
Speaker 1: it's a long season, right, But I also think there's
Speaker 1: a better chance of Zeke getting fifteen yards than having
Speaker 1: three one thousand yard receivers at least, that's what I think.
Speaker 1: That's what I think a fan should probably hope for,
Speaker 1: because what it means is you've got Zeke, like Heck said,
Speaker 1: salting away games and wearing him down and finishing the
Speaker 1: game off in the fourth quarter. He didn't get to
Speaker 1: do that last year. I forget how many times it
Speaker 1: was Dak threw over forty times in games. It was
Speaker 1: like five or six times. That's way too much. You
Speaker 1: need Dak. You need Dak having about I don't know,
Speaker 1: twenty eight attempts something like that and be able to
Speaker 1: pound your running backs. And I think if if you're
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Speaker 1: eleven o'clock. On our debates back and forth whether it
Speaker 1: be Earl Thomas, is he a legit fit for the
Speaker 1: Dallas Cowboys. Half of us think so half of us don't.
Speaker 1: It's been a fun show to say the least. Heck
Speaker 1: My Harrison, Isaiah stand back, Rob Phillips, I'm Kyle Yeoman's
Speaker 1: here for talking Cowboys every Tuesday at eleven o'clock. And guys,
Speaker 1: we were kind of talking about it in the break
Speaker 1: a little bit. We're gonna talk about expectations here in
Speaker 1: about four or five minutes before we close out the show.
Speaker 1: But Isaiah brought up a fantastic point throughout the commercial
Speaker 1: break about Earl Thomas and some of the other teams
Speaker 1: that are interested in bringing in Earl Thomas. One of
Speaker 1: them is in your own state, the other ones in
Speaker 1: your own division. You've got the Houston Texans and the
Speaker 1: Philadelphia Eagles who have reportedly shown some interest in potentially
Speaker 1: signing Earl Thomas to a deal. And I don't know
Speaker 1: about you, guys, but that kind of makes me queasy
Speaker 1: thinking about Earl Thomas in an Eagle's uniform. And Isaiah,
Speaker 1: I know you talked about it as well. Rob. You
Speaker 1: even have an example of going back almost a decade
Speaker 1: of something very similar. But Isaiah will start with you,
Speaker 1: how much do you not want to see Earl Thomas
Speaker 1: in an Eagle's uniform. Listen up, I promise you Earl
Speaker 1: next to my boy I grew up with Nate Robinson.
Speaker 1: Earl Thomas is the most competitive individual that I have
Speaker 1: ever known in my life. And Earl, if Dick Dallas
Speaker 1: Cowboys don't sign him, if they elect to not sign
Speaker 1: him simply just off of I just don't feel like
Speaker 1: it right now, Earl will make the Cowboys life a living.
Speaker 1: He will come back and sign with Philly just so
Speaker 1: he can show up twice a year and hit your
Speaker 1: receivers in their chest as hard as he can. I
Speaker 1: promise you that's how competitive is. Due to this, and
Speaker 1: every time he goes to train, every time he goes
Speaker 1: to lift weights and take reps, he is going to
Speaker 1: have that dog on a helmet on. I don't care
Speaker 1: if he has. He is going to be thinking about
Speaker 1: the opportunity to run across the field and hits your
Speaker 1: favorite player in the chest. I'm just telling you, telling
Speaker 1: you that's act I said. Let me say this to you.
Speaker 1: Then if he does go to Philly, what Ezekiel Elliott
Speaker 1: will do will do what Henry did to him and
Speaker 1: turn him to a lead blocker. Oh the defensive play. Okay,
Speaker 1: that's what I'm telling you, don't hey, and guess what
Speaker 1: they both they both gonna be waking up then because
Speaker 1: I tell you what's coming in. That's what. If he
Speaker 1: goes to spite us has to be patty, then that's
Speaker 1: on him. But for me, I feel like if he
Speaker 1: doesn't come to Dallas, the I think the one place
Speaker 1: that he would land would be in Massachusetts with Billy.
Speaker 1: You know, that's the and that's the that's the place
Speaker 1: there no think about it. Since week since we've opened
Speaker 1: up the door for Philly. Let's talk about what you
Speaker 1: believe the Patriots would do they bringing in with the
Speaker 1: mccaudy brothers in lockdown stid. Yes, on the other side,
Speaker 1: what do you what do you think they're gonna do?
Speaker 1: That's a man? What's what's that gift of Belichick walking
Speaker 1: like with with purpose, like through the tunnel? You know
Speaker 1: that was that was a popular gift when they said
Speaker 1: Earl was getting released by Baltimore. Let h I don't
Speaker 1: know about maybe San Francisco could they. I don't know
Speaker 1: what the reports San San Francis, I would say, if
Speaker 1: I had to guess, Houston's have known because Billy o'brain
Speaker 1: haven't played for him in New England. His temper and earl,
Speaker 1: that's not gonna work well together. I can tell you
Speaker 1: that right now. They would get into it every single day,
Speaker 1: and that would be as volunteer apparently as the balls
Speaker 1: more was. But San Francisco the opportunity to go back
Speaker 1: and play with his boy Richard Sherman Alisabetter step up.
Speaker 1: I'm telling you you will see him again, whether it's
Speaker 1: twice a year, whether it's in the playoffs, You're gonna
Speaker 1: see this dude again if you don't sign him. So please, please, please,
Speaker 1: don't make this mistake. I'm apparently hearing them. McCarthy's kind
Speaker 1: of on it all right. He might be just you know,
Speaker 1: just playing you know politics, Jerry Jones. I know Jerry
Speaker 1: wants him. I know Jerry wants him. Go ahead and
Speaker 1: grab grab that pan, Jerry, and go ahead and sign up.
Speaker 1: You gotta do the Jerry impersonation, I say, while we're here,
Speaker 1: you don't huh oh no, I'm just saying this thing,
Speaker 1: and this is wild. This reminds me of twenty eleven
Speaker 1: after the lockout, when same thing, everybody just finally got
Speaker 1: together for practice in the summer. He was coming off
Speaker 1: the lockout. Free agency was happening at the same time,
Speaker 1: and awesome while was a guy the Cowboys were interested
Speaker 1: in as a free agent, same with Philly, and he
Speaker 1: wound up in Philly, and like Isaiah said that, I'm like,
Speaker 1: oh man, this is like deja vu. We'll see he yeah.
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm talking about Philly players right now, and
Speaker 1: it's something about is making me nauseous. I just you know,
Speaker 1: you know, Assawa was a guy that we definitely wanted.
Speaker 1: Philly paid way too much for him and we didn't.
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't think that he would have made
Speaker 1: a bigger difference on our team dating back then. It's
Speaker 1: just the thing we need to pull the trigger on
Speaker 1: this guy, period. And looking over looking at the league,
Speaker 1: looking at the other safeties, but just talking about our roster,
Speaker 1: our depth chart. He adds a dimension to our defense
Speaker 1: that I don't believe that we have. And it's just
Speaker 1: it seems like he would be a natural fit. All
Speaker 1: of the pressure is on Earl. He's the one that
Speaker 1: has to dispel the myths and the rumors of him
Speaker 1: being a bad teammate. So this is the place that
Speaker 1: he wants to be He's gonna be on his best
Speaker 1: behavior in Dallas. Yeah, he has to be in And
Speaker 1: I think I don't know if all the pressures on Earle.
Speaker 1: I just think some of the pressures on Earle and
Speaker 1: whether or not he's going to come to Dallas, and
Speaker 1: if he doesn't, then where is that competitive edge going
Speaker 1: to go for him? But as we're running out of time,
Speaker 1: I do want to ask this question because we're seeing
Speaker 1: it in practice, Rob and I throughout the entirety of
Speaker 1: training camp. But it's the install it's the preparation for
Speaker 1: a new coaching staff without a preseason, and it has
Speaker 1: me a little nervous. But should there be any lowered
Speaker 1: expectations potentially a slow start to the season, even with
Speaker 1: Mike McCarthy potentially not having that lead in not having
Speaker 1: that preseason to really install a system moving forward, Rob,
Speaker 1: Mike McCarthy said no. He was asking about not a
Speaker 1: couple of days ago, and he said, I don't want
Speaker 1: to hear that crap. In so many words, he said,
Speaker 1: the expectations are to go win a title. That's what
Speaker 1: he was hired for, and that's what he said. The
Speaker 1: expectations are every team he's ever had. It is a challenge,
Speaker 1: but look, it's a challenge for all thirty two teams
Speaker 1: in the league. And I will say the number of
Speaker 1: the veterans they brought in I think will help the
Speaker 1: transition because you bring in guys that have done this
Speaker 1: for years and years and Everson Griffin, Poe, I think
Speaker 1: that helps. You're not relying on as many young guys,
Speaker 1: and I you know, I think they've got an opportunity
Speaker 1: to win a lot of football games because I think
Speaker 1: what they've done on defense in particular. Heckma, Yeah. The
Speaker 1: one thing about retaining Kelly Moore that really gives me
Speaker 1: confidence about our offense because the terminology is going to
Speaker 1: be the same, and I believe that he's going to
Speaker 1: be the voice between Dak and Mike McCarthy as far
Speaker 1: as Bridge and that terminology. So it's not I have
Speaker 1: no doubts about that. And I believe that Mike McCarthy
Speaker 1: has his heart in the right place by saying, look, Kellen,
Speaker 1: because of what's going on with the season, it would
Speaker 1: seem like it would be better for you to start
Speaker 1: things off. He's learning that offense in those terminologies as well,
Speaker 1: and he did express that at his pressor. Also, the
Speaker 1: expectation is championship. That's that's not even there's no question
Speaker 1: about it. There's you had. You brought veterans on this team,
Speaker 1: not because you want to build this team for the future.
Speaker 1: You brought veterans on this team because you want to
Speaker 1: dog on ring and it's been too long and you
Speaker 1: want that. You want that other you're tied up. You
Speaker 1: tied up. Another organization up in the Northeast have a
Speaker 1: more than you. So that's that's what the conversation is.
Speaker 1: Um the expectation. You brought in this amazing coach, but
Speaker 1: he hasn't. I don't even know how he has his
Speaker 1: staff together, but he has a ridiculous staff. You brought
Speaker 1: in veteran guys to play. You shot up your defense
Speaker 1: where you were lacking at you have you added another
Speaker 1: weapon on the offense. You retain the same officsive coordinator
Speaker 1: so that you have symmetry there and there's no learning curve.
Speaker 1: This team is set up to ball out, Go out,
Speaker 1: sign this dude another pro bowler to add on to
Speaker 1: your defense and secure this thing and let's go play
Speaker 1: some ball. I love it. I love it. And that's
Speaker 1: the best way to end this version of Talking Cowboys.
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Speaker 1: Cowboys dot Com slash star Boys. That was fun. How
Speaker 1: about a little bit of debate all the way through.
Speaker 1: We're going back and forth, We're getting heated, and this
Speaker 1: is football season. And now I'm so excited to go
Speaker 1: through a football season with you guys as a crew
Speaker 1: of Talking Cowboys. But for heck Ma Harrison, for Rob
Speaker 1: Phillips and the Super Bowl champion Isaiah standback, I'm Kyle
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