1 00:00:01,400 --> 00:00:03,960 Speaker 1: Hey guys, we are back on normally the show What 2 00:00:04,080 --> 00:00:06,440 Speaker 1: Normalist Takes for when the news gets weird. I am 3 00:00:06,480 --> 00:00:07,440 Speaker 1: Mary Catherine. 4 00:00:07,560 --> 00:00:10,479 Speaker 2: And I am Carol Markowitz. How are you doing, Mary Katherine? 5 00:00:11,000 --> 00:00:13,920 Speaker 1: I am all right. You know I've taken up some crafting. 6 00:00:14,600 --> 00:00:17,880 Speaker 1: How do you do? Yeah, I'm doing. I learned how 7 00:00:17,880 --> 00:00:22,880 Speaker 1: to latch hook, which is like the super tacky seventies 8 00:00:23,000 --> 00:00:26,279 Speaker 1: form of like embroidery that's like real fuzzy, like a 9 00:00:26,320 --> 00:00:29,160 Speaker 1: shag carpet. And I'm gonna make myself a really ugly 10 00:00:29,200 --> 00:00:31,480 Speaker 1: pillow and then I'm gonna put it on my couch 11 00:00:31,920 --> 00:00:36,320 Speaker 1: and my husband's gonna be like why, and I'm gonna 12 00:00:36,320 --> 00:00:41,760 Speaker 1: be like, that is homemade. Yeah, I'm going to love it. 13 00:00:42,040 --> 00:00:45,479 Speaker 3: He's going to learn to love it. I golfed this 14 00:00:45,560 --> 00:00:46,960 Speaker 3: weekend for the first time ever. 15 00:00:47,159 --> 00:00:50,120 Speaker 1: I saw that have you golfed? I do not golf. 16 00:00:50,200 --> 00:00:53,400 Speaker 1: I kind of wish I could, but I've never really taken. 17 00:00:53,159 --> 00:00:55,360 Speaker 2: It up, so it was my first time. I had 18 00:00:55,360 --> 00:00:56,840 Speaker 2: a really fun time. 19 00:00:56,960 --> 00:00:59,000 Speaker 3: And I know we joke about me being soft in 20 00:00:59,000 --> 00:01:01,360 Speaker 3: the Florida weather, but I was like in a little 21 00:01:01,400 --> 00:01:04,760 Speaker 3: outfit and it got like seventy degrees in windy and 22 00:01:04,800 --> 00:01:06,600 Speaker 3: I had to had to leave. I had to leave 23 00:01:06,720 --> 00:01:08,880 Speaker 3: the course because I was so cold, like through my 24 00:01:08,959 --> 00:01:12,280 Speaker 3: bones cold. I'll just say I was with some northern 25 00:01:12,360 --> 00:01:15,240 Speaker 3: friends who were visiting and they were cold too. 26 00:01:15,680 --> 00:01:18,279 Speaker 2: Just so everybody knows, I'm not okay. 27 00:01:18,959 --> 00:01:21,720 Speaker 1: Not the window, the window get you. I am really well. 28 00:01:22,280 --> 00:01:25,480 Speaker 1: Jonathan Hat would be proud of both of us for 29 00:01:25,800 --> 00:01:28,480 Speaker 1: doing offline activities. Yes, look at us. 30 00:01:28,520 --> 00:01:29,759 Speaker 2: We touched some grass. 31 00:01:30,200 --> 00:01:33,640 Speaker 1: We did. I'm gonna touch my shag pillows soon. It's 32 00:01:33,640 --> 00:01:35,640 Speaker 1: gonna be great. I'll show you guys what I've done. 33 00:01:35,920 --> 00:01:36,319 Speaker 2: Love it. 34 00:01:36,480 --> 00:01:41,080 Speaker 3: So Over the weekend there was also some more Tesla violence. 35 00:01:41,240 --> 00:01:42,880 Speaker 1: I saw offline activity. 36 00:01:42,920 --> 00:01:47,360 Speaker 3: Yeah, offline touching grass, but in the violent sense activity. 37 00:01:47,880 --> 00:01:52,920 Speaker 3: These protesters are getting progressively more violent, and of course 38 00:01:52,960 --> 00:01:56,120 Speaker 3: all the Democrats are calling them out on this, because 39 00:01:56,160 --> 00:02:00,880 Speaker 3: that's sorry, I couldn't even finish that thought. No Democrats 40 00:02:00,880 --> 00:02:03,080 Speaker 3: are calling them out on this, or very very few 41 00:02:03,120 --> 00:02:05,840 Speaker 3: are in any case. But I saw an old lady 42 00:02:05,880 --> 00:02:10,320 Speaker 3: get assaulted. I've seen multiple Tesla's get defaced and keyed 43 00:02:10,400 --> 00:02:12,640 Speaker 3: and that kind of thing, which is it's sort of 44 00:02:12,680 --> 00:02:16,560 Speaker 3: getting to wear. These people might just be really dumb 45 00:02:16,600 --> 00:02:19,440 Speaker 3: because Tesla's have eight cameras on them, and every one 46 00:02:19,480 --> 00:02:24,520 Speaker 3: of these incidents is being like videoed from multiple angles. 47 00:02:24,080 --> 00:02:27,440 Speaker 1: So they have they have cameras that activate when you 48 00:02:27,560 --> 00:02:31,000 Speaker 1: vandalize them. Guys that're like, hi, we're checking on who's 49 00:02:31,040 --> 00:02:33,760 Speaker 1: doing this. It's so good, great stuff. 50 00:02:34,240 --> 00:02:38,120 Speaker 3: But yeah, it's getting bad and scary, and the media 51 00:02:38,440 --> 00:02:40,760 Speaker 3: is also I can't even deliver the joke they're on 52 00:02:40,800 --> 00:02:44,600 Speaker 3: it because instead they're they're largely saying that, you know, 53 00:02:44,639 --> 00:02:47,920 Speaker 3: Tesla's wearing a real short skirt. The Washington Post had 54 00:02:47,919 --> 00:02:51,880 Speaker 3: a headline, Trump escalates threats against those who destroyed Tesla, 55 00:02:52,120 --> 00:02:55,000 Speaker 3: Like Trump is escalating the thoughts Trump. 56 00:02:56,040 --> 00:02:59,600 Speaker 1: There's also this straw man that like, hey, Elon Musk 57 00:02:59,600 --> 00:03:02,880 Speaker 1: can't ex expect to be you know, incendiary and uh 58 00:03:03,160 --> 00:03:06,440 Speaker 1: and political, and by that I mean like not literally incendiary, 59 00:03:06,520 --> 00:03:09,080 Speaker 1: like the the things that people are throwing it as cars, 60 00:03:10,280 --> 00:03:13,040 Speaker 1: and not expect people to have an objection. I'm like, 61 00:03:13,120 --> 00:03:15,280 Speaker 1: I don't care about an objection. I don't think I 62 00:03:15,280 --> 00:03:20,000 Speaker 1: don't think Elon Musk cares about protests or boycotts, right, 63 00:03:20,160 --> 00:03:24,119 Speaker 1: those are within your rights. Vandalism is a very different thing. 64 00:03:24,200 --> 00:03:27,079 Speaker 1: So that's not There's a lot of stuff that's not 65 00:03:27,200 --> 00:03:29,120 Speaker 1: just protesting going on here. 66 00:03:29,080 --> 00:03:29,519 Speaker 2: That's right. 67 00:03:29,600 --> 00:03:32,600 Speaker 3: And look, I have boycotted companies in the past. I 68 00:03:32,639 --> 00:03:36,280 Speaker 3: haven't fire bombed anybody. I haven't assaulted anybody. 69 00:03:36,360 --> 00:03:38,160 Speaker 2: I haven't even cursed. 70 00:03:37,840 --> 00:03:39,880 Speaker 3: At anybody in the street who was using the product 71 00:03:39,880 --> 00:03:43,040 Speaker 3: that I didn't like. Because that is a crazy thing 72 00:03:43,080 --> 00:03:43,360 Speaker 3: to do. 73 00:03:43,640 --> 00:03:46,360 Speaker 1: It's a crazy thing to do, right. 74 00:03:46,480 --> 00:03:49,520 Speaker 2: And they just think they're so right. It's it's really crazy. 75 00:03:50,240 --> 00:03:54,840 Speaker 3: I'm nervous because this kind of thing obviously conspire a 76 00:03:54,840 --> 00:03:55,520 Speaker 3: lot of control. 77 00:03:55,640 --> 00:03:58,320 Speaker 2: Somebody can actually get very badly. 78 00:03:58,040 --> 00:04:00,400 Speaker 3: Hurt, and then we're all going to be like, wow, 79 00:04:00,520 --> 00:04:03,080 Speaker 3: this we saw this coming the whole time, and nobody 80 00:04:03,080 --> 00:04:06,040 Speaker 3: did anything, and so I am worried about it. 81 00:04:05,840 --> 00:04:08,560 Speaker 1: And well, you and I have lived through various right 82 00:04:08,680 --> 00:04:13,880 Speaker 1: leaning protest movements that are treated completely differently than lefty 83 00:04:13,920 --> 00:04:17,200 Speaker 1: protest movements. If you just take the tea parties versus Occupy. 84 00:04:17,640 --> 00:04:21,600 Speaker 1: Occupy had no permits to be anywhere, was living in 85 00:04:21,680 --> 00:04:24,279 Speaker 1: parks for months on end. There were sexual assaults and 86 00:04:24,320 --> 00:04:28,719 Speaker 1: other assaults happening on the grounds pretty frequently, even some deaths, 87 00:04:29,760 --> 00:04:32,720 Speaker 1: huge crimes happening. Just people live in in parks all 88 00:04:32,760 --> 00:04:38,840 Speaker 1: around this great nation and that was like beautiful and empowered, right, 89 00:04:39,080 --> 00:04:42,240 Speaker 1: But Tea Party folks go out to an event and 90 00:04:42,279 --> 00:04:46,560 Speaker 1: like clean up after themselves and like the Republic is 91 00:04:46,600 --> 00:04:50,039 Speaker 1: going to fall, and so the difference in treatment is 92 00:04:50,080 --> 00:04:54,480 Speaker 1: really bad. Another example is the twenty twenty protests. So 93 00:04:54,520 --> 00:04:59,920 Speaker 1: people who protested lockdowns by driving their cars around cap 94 00:05:00,279 --> 00:05:02,680 Speaker 1: and honking their horns because they were still abiding by 95 00:05:02,680 --> 00:05:04,880 Speaker 1: the basic rules of like we're not going to congregate. 96 00:05:05,880 --> 00:05:09,000 Speaker 1: Those were the end of the Republic. But the George 97 00:05:09,040 --> 00:05:13,400 Speaker 1: Floyd movement that became riots aoka. 98 00:05:13,800 --> 00:05:16,520 Speaker 3: It's mostly peaceful, right wild. 99 00:05:16,200 --> 00:05:17,680 Speaker 1: How they're treated. I just want to give you a 100 00:05:17,680 --> 00:05:21,800 Speaker 1: stat real quick. I was reading an NPR story entitled 101 00:05:22,160 --> 00:05:26,360 Speaker 1: from Seattle to Miami, anti Musk protesters gather at hundreds 102 00:05:26,600 --> 00:05:31,400 Speaker 1: of Tesla locations. Can you guess for me what paragraph 103 00:05:32,040 --> 00:05:39,440 Speaker 1: this piece addresses the violence? Never it does actually get 104 00:05:39,480 --> 00:05:39,800 Speaker 1: into it. 105 00:05:39,920 --> 00:05:40,360 Speaker 2: Good. 106 00:05:40,440 --> 00:05:46,040 Speaker 1: Good, twentieth paragraph, twentieth paragraph. Some of the anti Musk 107 00:05:46,040 --> 00:05:49,680 Speaker 1: backlash has been violent. Tesla vehicles, dealerships, and charging stations 108 00:05:49,720 --> 00:05:51,599 Speaker 1: across the US and in Europe have been the target 109 00:05:52,000 --> 00:05:54,679 Speaker 1: of arson and vandalists. Some have taken to spray painting 110 00:05:54,680 --> 00:05:58,760 Speaker 1: Schwasta because on Tesla sedan's and cyber trucks. It then 111 00:05:58,839 --> 00:06:02,960 Speaker 1: goes on, wait for it, it then goes on to 112 00:06:03,080 --> 00:06:06,520 Speaker 1: make sure that they make the leaders of these protests 113 00:06:06,640 --> 00:06:11,160 Speaker 1: the victims, because Musk, by objecting to the violence, has 114 00:06:11,320 --> 00:06:15,839 Speaker 1: raised the cost for the organizers of these protests because 115 00:06:15,880 --> 00:06:18,560 Speaker 1: some people might think they're involved in the violence, and 116 00:06:18,600 --> 00:06:21,360 Speaker 1: if those specific people aren't involved in the violence, then 117 00:06:21,400 --> 00:06:26,760 Speaker 1: he's being irresponsible and he has caused problems for them. 118 00:06:27,000 --> 00:06:28,719 Speaker 2: His skirt really is that short? 119 00:06:30,040 --> 00:06:33,039 Speaker 1: I mean the reversing victim and offender is like amazing, 120 00:06:33,120 --> 00:06:34,560 Speaker 1: pretty priceless on this one. 121 00:06:35,720 --> 00:06:40,680 Speaker 3: And yeah, like the thing is that the Trump administration 122 00:06:40,760 --> 00:06:42,599 Speaker 3: keeps referring to this as domestic terrorism. 123 00:06:42,920 --> 00:06:44,880 Speaker 2: I want to get rid of the word domestic. It's 124 00:06:45,000 --> 00:06:46,279 Speaker 2: just plain terrorism. 125 00:06:46,320 --> 00:06:48,960 Speaker 3: It's trying to get a political outcome through violence, through 126 00:06:49,040 --> 00:06:53,080 Speaker 3: violence intimidation, very standard definition of terrorism. When we say 127 00:06:53,080 --> 00:06:55,240 Speaker 3: domestic terrorism, it makes it sound like not as bad. 128 00:06:55,320 --> 00:06:58,240 Speaker 3: It's not foreigners trying to hurt us, it's internal It's 129 00:06:58,440 --> 00:07:03,560 Speaker 3: literally just the dictionary definition of terrorism. And I think 130 00:07:03,600 --> 00:07:06,320 Speaker 3: the punishments need to get severe for this because you 131 00:07:06,440 --> 00:07:10,160 Speaker 3: can't have a society where people think it's okay to 132 00:07:10,240 --> 00:07:13,600 Speaker 3: harm other people because they don't like a third person's opinion. 133 00:07:13,960 --> 00:07:16,440 Speaker 3: I just think we've gone to a crazy place and 134 00:07:16,520 --> 00:07:18,040 Speaker 3: this needs to be cut off at the knees. 135 00:07:18,720 --> 00:07:22,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree. I saw someone objecting because Florida categorized 136 00:07:23,000 --> 00:07:26,640 Speaker 1: some vandal vandalism as a felony, and it's like, we'll 137 00:07:26,640 --> 00:07:30,400 Speaker 1: see when that happens, fewer people do the very expensive 138 00:07:30,440 --> 00:07:33,160 Speaker 1: vandalism in the future. That's how that works. And by 139 00:07:33,160 --> 00:07:34,960 Speaker 1: the way, it's not just the cars. They're going after 140 00:07:35,000 --> 00:07:36,000 Speaker 1: the owners of the cars. 141 00:07:36,360 --> 00:07:36,600 Speaker 3: Yeah. 142 00:07:36,640 --> 00:07:38,760 Speaker 1: Who, I don't care if they're liberal. You should a 143 00:07:38,760 --> 00:07:41,080 Speaker 1: lot of them are. You shouldn't be assaulting them or 144 00:07:41,160 --> 00:07:42,240 Speaker 1: coming at them in public. 145 00:07:42,840 --> 00:07:43,640 Speaker 2: You don't get to. 146 00:07:43,680 --> 00:07:47,840 Speaker 3: Just be a little angry child either yelling or hitting 147 00:07:47,920 --> 00:07:48,760 Speaker 3: people in the street. 148 00:07:48,840 --> 00:07:50,760 Speaker 2: I'm sorry. We have a society. 149 00:07:50,960 --> 00:07:54,560 Speaker 3: There are rules, so yeah, and I think the more 150 00:07:54,840 --> 00:07:57,720 Speaker 3: we accept, the more we get bad behaviors. So this 151 00:07:57,880 --> 00:08:01,280 Speaker 3: really needs to be a wrong message needs to be sent. 152 00:08:01,440 --> 00:08:05,320 Speaker 3: This is unacceptable, this is terrorism. This is something that 153 00:08:05,440 --> 00:08:06,040 Speaker 3: is going. 154 00:08:05,840 --> 00:08:08,280 Speaker 2: To be stopped, and I hope the Trump administration does that. 155 00:08:08,480 --> 00:08:10,360 Speaker 3: We're going to take a short break and come right 156 00:08:10,400 --> 00:08:11,800 Speaker 3: back with normally. 157 00:08:14,560 --> 00:08:16,760 Speaker 1: All right up next, we have lefties gone wild. 158 00:08:17,040 --> 00:08:18,280 Speaker 2: Oh the lefties. 159 00:08:18,360 --> 00:08:22,240 Speaker 3: They are so close, so close, so close to getting it, 160 00:08:22,280 --> 00:08:24,320 Speaker 3: but never really quite there. 161 00:08:26,280 --> 00:08:28,880 Speaker 1: Left he's gone wild or is it left, he's gone right. 162 00:08:30,000 --> 00:08:31,920 Speaker 1: That's kind of what it feels like in a couple 163 00:08:31,960 --> 00:08:33,080 Speaker 1: of these situations. 164 00:08:33,200 --> 00:08:36,880 Speaker 3: Yeah, that's it. And we're not going to be bitter 165 00:08:36,920 --> 00:08:39,880 Speaker 3: about it, Mary Catherine much. We're not going to be 166 00:08:39,920 --> 00:08:43,000 Speaker 3: bitter much that they're saying all the same things we've 167 00:08:43,040 --> 00:08:47,000 Speaker 3: been saying for like generations. But let's start with your 168 00:08:47,040 --> 00:08:50,280 Speaker 3: buddy Bill Maher. You're on his shows sometimes and you 169 00:08:50,280 --> 00:08:52,600 Speaker 3: guys have a cute relationship. I think you're you have 170 00:08:52,640 --> 00:08:56,360 Speaker 3: a friend, friendly back and forth in general. And I'm look, 171 00:08:56,480 --> 00:08:59,199 Speaker 3: I am a fan. I enjoy watching him. I think 172 00:08:59,200 --> 00:09:02,440 Speaker 3: he's smart at I think he says smart things. He's 173 00:09:02,520 --> 00:09:06,360 Speaker 3: going to have dinner with President Trump. And apparently Chris 174 00:09:06,480 --> 00:09:09,080 Speaker 3: Rock set this up, which is it was kid Rock. 175 00:09:09,360 --> 00:09:13,880 Speaker 3: I'm sorry, Yes, kid Rock set this up. 176 00:09:13,920 --> 00:09:15,880 Speaker 2: No, Chris Rock had nothing to do with it. Sorry, 177 00:09:15,960 --> 00:09:17,960 Speaker 2: Chris kid Rock set this up. 178 00:09:18,200 --> 00:09:21,680 Speaker 3: And it's kind of cool that they're getting together. 179 00:09:22,480 --> 00:09:24,680 Speaker 2: Trump, however, had some things to say about it. 180 00:09:25,120 --> 00:09:27,520 Speaker 1: Yes, he has a truth post where he says, I 181 00:09:27,520 --> 00:09:29,400 Speaker 1: got a call from a very good guy and friend 182 00:09:29,440 --> 00:09:31,640 Speaker 1: of mine, Kid Rock, asking me whether or not it 183 00:09:31,679 --> 00:09:33,280 Speaker 1: would be possible for me to meet in the White 184 00:09:33,320 --> 00:09:36,240 Speaker 1: House with Bill Maher, a man who has been unjustifiably 185 00:09:36,280 --> 00:09:39,400 Speaker 1: critical of anything or anyone Trump. I really didn't like 186 00:09:39,440 --> 00:09:41,920 Speaker 1: the idea much and don't like it much now, but 187 00:09:42,120 --> 00:09:45,120 Speaker 1: thought it would be interesting. The problem is, no matter 188 00:09:45,120 --> 00:09:47,720 Speaker 1: how much he likes your favorite president, me, he will 189 00:09:47,720 --> 00:09:50,960 Speaker 1: publicly proclaim what a terrible guy I am, etc. Very 190 00:09:51,000 --> 00:09:53,480 Speaker 1: much like the Democrats at my recent address to the 191 00:09:53,559 --> 00:09:55,760 Speaker 1: Joint Session of Congress, where I stated correctly that no 192 00:09:55,800 --> 00:09:58,080 Speaker 1: matter what I said or did, they wouldn't stand, they 193 00:09:58,080 --> 00:10:01,199 Speaker 1: wouldn't applaud, they wouldn't smile or laugh, and certainly it 194 00:10:01,240 --> 00:10:04,199 Speaker 1: wouldn't be in any way nice. Who knows, though, maybe 195 00:10:04,200 --> 00:10:08,000 Speaker 1: I'll be proven wrong, he says, anyway, I'm doing favor 196 00:10:08,000 --> 00:10:10,040 Speaker 1: for a friend, so they're going to get together. I 197 00:10:10,720 --> 00:10:13,240 Speaker 1: do like mar because I feel like he is one 198 00:10:13,240 --> 00:10:18,199 Speaker 1: of the lefties in the Hollywood constellation. It's still like 199 00:10:18,240 --> 00:10:22,480 Speaker 1: a left leaning guy for sure, who says common sense things, 200 00:10:23,160 --> 00:10:26,720 Speaker 1: and that has made him a pariah to many of them. 201 00:10:27,360 --> 00:10:29,840 Speaker 1: I like that he is unpredictable. You don't exactly know 202 00:10:29,840 --> 00:10:31,840 Speaker 1: where he's going. To fall on anything, which makes him 203 00:10:31,880 --> 00:10:36,160 Speaker 1: much more like a normy voter actually, and taking a 204 00:10:36,280 --> 00:10:38,839 Speaker 1: moment to spend time with the President of the United 205 00:10:38,880 --> 00:10:41,840 Speaker 1: States to probably have some vigorous debate I think is 206 00:10:42,160 --> 00:10:44,760 Speaker 1: totally worth doing and something Democrats should have done since 207 00:10:44,760 --> 00:10:45,840 Speaker 1: twenty sixteen. 208 00:10:46,600 --> 00:10:50,040 Speaker 3: Yeah, what drives me a little crazy about Bill Maher 209 00:10:50,280 --> 00:10:53,240 Speaker 3: is that he is very tied to his identity as 210 00:10:53,240 --> 00:10:54,319 Speaker 3: a lefty, and it gets that. 211 00:10:54,480 --> 00:10:56,800 Speaker 2: Look, I am very tied to my identity as a conservative. 212 00:10:56,880 --> 00:10:59,679 Speaker 3: If I had if the conservative world went the way 213 00:10:59,720 --> 00:11:02,000 Speaker 3: that the world went in the last few years, and 214 00:11:02,040 --> 00:11:04,480 Speaker 3: I had to kind of face that I couldn't. I 215 00:11:04,480 --> 00:11:06,480 Speaker 3: couldn't stand with these people anymore. And I still had 216 00:11:06,520 --> 00:11:07,760 Speaker 3: the same beliefs, but I couldn't. 217 00:11:07,760 --> 00:11:10,240 Speaker 2: I could no longer exist with them. I think I'd 218 00:11:10,280 --> 00:11:12,240 Speaker 2: be challenged by that too. So I get it. 219 00:11:12,880 --> 00:11:15,480 Speaker 3: But he's always like so close, but never quite there. 220 00:11:15,960 --> 00:11:18,160 Speaker 3: We're going to play a clip of him talking to 221 00:11:18,240 --> 00:11:18,920 Speaker 3: Gavin Newsom. 222 00:11:19,000 --> 00:11:19,520 Speaker 2: Let's roll that. 223 00:11:21,200 --> 00:11:23,920 Speaker 4: Given that we are in this dire situation, I feel 224 00:11:24,000 --> 00:11:27,280 Speaker 4: like we don't have time anymore for the old bullshit, 225 00:11:27,760 --> 00:11:29,880 Speaker 4: you know, the old are you running for president? Well? 226 00:11:29,920 --> 00:11:32,520 Speaker 4: You know, there's an exploratory committee, and I'm looking at it. 227 00:11:33,080 --> 00:11:35,720 Speaker 4: I'm happy with my job as governor. I mean, your 228 00:11:35,760 --> 00:11:40,000 Speaker 4: future is not in California. Your future is in Iowa. 229 00:11:41,040 --> 00:11:43,760 Speaker 4: Let's just spends with the bullshit. We need someone who's 230 00:11:43,800 --> 00:11:45,520 Speaker 4: going to be the champion. Are you going to do 231 00:11:45,559 --> 00:11:51,680 Speaker 4: it or not? Just come on tell us we don't 232 00:11:51,720 --> 00:11:52,800 Speaker 4: have time for the bullship. 233 00:11:52,960 --> 00:11:53,000 Speaker 5: No. 234 00:11:53,520 --> 00:11:56,000 Speaker 6: By the way, I deeply respect that. 235 00:11:56,040 --> 00:11:58,320 Speaker 7: I can't stand the bullshit as well, and I mean 236 00:11:58,360 --> 00:12:00,400 Speaker 7: that so look, but this is not my per or. 237 00:12:00,400 --> 00:12:01,559 Speaker 6: Passion, it's not my meaning. 238 00:12:01,559 --> 00:12:04,000 Speaker 7: It's not everything. Every the cynicism that's out there that 239 00:12:04,040 --> 00:12:06,960 Speaker 7: every movie's making is some move to some longer term 240 00:12:07,000 --> 00:12:07,959 Speaker 7: strategy or short. 241 00:12:07,840 --> 00:12:10,040 Speaker 4: Term just that you're a guy who could do it, 242 00:12:10,080 --> 00:12:11,480 Speaker 4: who could get it done? Who could will? 243 00:12:12,000 --> 00:12:15,040 Speaker 7: I deeply respect that affect the question, but I don't 244 00:12:15,040 --> 00:12:16,840 Speaker 7: have any grand plans as it respects of that. I'm 245 00:12:16,840 --> 00:12:18,440 Speaker 7: trying to do the best I can and also trying 246 00:12:18,440 --> 00:12:20,440 Speaker 7: to be accountable by the way. You want things to change, 247 00:12:20,520 --> 00:12:22,600 Speaker 7: you got to change, and that's what the podcast is about. 248 00:12:22,800 --> 00:12:23,880 Speaker 7: That's my recognition of. 249 00:12:23,840 --> 00:12:24,520 Speaker 8: Where we're weak. 250 00:12:24,559 --> 00:12:26,479 Speaker 7: And I got to call balls and strike. 251 00:12:26,840 --> 00:12:29,959 Speaker 3: Talking Gavin Newsom into running for president because they need 252 00:12:30,000 --> 00:12:32,320 Speaker 3: somebody to like lead the charge. 253 00:12:32,400 --> 00:12:35,600 Speaker 2: Gavin Newsome. Bill Maher spends a lot of time. 254 00:12:35,440 --> 00:12:39,400 Speaker 3: Talking about what a hell hole California has come, and 255 00:12:39,920 --> 00:12:42,520 Speaker 3: now he wants the guy who really turned it into 256 00:12:42,559 --> 00:12:44,360 Speaker 3: that to run for president. 257 00:12:44,480 --> 00:12:49,360 Speaker 2: I just I like him, he's smart. Well what is this? 258 00:12:49,840 --> 00:12:53,240 Speaker 1: No, it's one yes. At any point has Bill Marvi 259 00:12:53,240 --> 00:12:56,480 Speaker 1: been like, Hey, this guy's really good at his job, right. 260 00:12:56,600 --> 00:12:58,840 Speaker 1: I don't think he thinks he's good at his job. 261 00:12:58,920 --> 00:13:01,080 Speaker 1: I think he has a plot pausible chance in our 262 00:13:01,160 --> 00:13:04,800 Speaker 1: sort of ridiculous way we pick leaders and Democratic Party 263 00:13:04,840 --> 00:13:08,440 Speaker 1: in particular in this case, to end up in that spot. 264 00:13:09,200 --> 00:13:12,400 Speaker 1: But he's not good at his job. And despite whatever 265 00:13:12,840 --> 00:13:15,600 Speaker 1: you know, changing he's trying to do, he announces in 266 00:13:15,679 --> 00:13:17,679 Speaker 1: that clip, and I think it's a symbol for Gavin 267 00:13:17,720 --> 00:13:21,720 Speaker 1: Newsom that he doesn't like bs and then dispenses with 268 00:13:22,080 --> 00:13:27,280 Speaker 1: tons of bs that in fact the exact bs that 269 00:13:27,320 --> 00:13:30,480 Speaker 1: Mars said he wasn't looking for. Newsom was like, let 270 00:13:30,480 --> 00:13:31,040 Speaker 1: me give it to you. 271 00:13:33,240 --> 00:13:37,640 Speaker 3: It's really language that Newsom uses drives me absolutely bonkers. 272 00:13:37,640 --> 00:13:40,000 Speaker 3: We're going to have another Newsom clip later, saw I'll 273 00:13:40,000 --> 00:13:46,480 Speaker 3: save this for then, but wow, his like synergy, you know, mendacity, 274 00:13:47,000 --> 00:13:48,000 Speaker 3: blah blah blah blah. 275 00:13:48,120 --> 00:13:51,280 Speaker 2: I just he is the absolute worst. I worry about him. 276 00:13:51,640 --> 00:13:53,760 Speaker 2: He's he's a threat and a. 277 00:13:53,760 --> 00:13:58,560 Speaker 3: Danger, and I could see him slithering his way into office. 278 00:13:58,679 --> 00:14:00,559 Speaker 1: So not a fan. 279 00:14:01,000 --> 00:14:02,959 Speaker 2: Yeah, well, so, speaking. 280 00:14:02,600 --> 00:14:08,199 Speaker 3: Of lefties who are facing some amount of reality, John 281 00:14:08,280 --> 00:14:12,120 Speaker 3: Stewart was on with Ezra Kline, who has a book 282 00:14:12,120 --> 00:14:13,160 Speaker 3: out called Abundance. 283 00:14:13,240 --> 00:14:14,160 Speaker 2: This book is like. 284 00:14:14,720 --> 00:14:17,679 Speaker 3: Everywhere right now, and Democrats are talking to him about 285 00:14:17,679 --> 00:14:22,840 Speaker 3: it as if the concepts in it are. 286 00:14:21,480 --> 00:14:23,520 Speaker 2: Kind of hearing about it for the very first time. 287 00:14:24,920 --> 00:14:26,640 Speaker 3: And you know, the book has a lot of stuff 288 00:14:26,680 --> 00:14:30,800 Speaker 3: like it's a wake up call, right It's this democratic 289 00:14:30,880 --> 00:14:33,520 Speaker 3: policies aren't working, wake up call for the left. And 290 00:14:33,600 --> 00:14:37,840 Speaker 3: I am enjoying democrats kind of being faced with this, 291 00:14:37,920 --> 00:14:40,640 Speaker 3: But like, how is this all news to them? 292 00:14:40,720 --> 00:14:42,040 Speaker 2: It's kind of baffling. 293 00:14:42,160 --> 00:14:45,000 Speaker 3: So let's roll part of a clip where Ezra talks 294 00:14:45,040 --> 00:14:48,080 Speaker 3: to John Stewart and he spends five minutes explaining how 295 00:14:48,200 --> 00:14:51,880 Speaker 3: states could participate in Biden's Build Back Better funding plan 296 00:14:52,240 --> 00:14:54,440 Speaker 3: and how impossibly difficult that was. 297 00:14:54,680 --> 00:14:56,320 Speaker 2: We're only going to play the last minute or so 298 00:14:56,480 --> 00:14:57,040 Speaker 2: of the clip. 299 00:14:57,640 --> 00:15:01,160 Speaker 3: We just imagine four more minutes of this these bureaucratic 300 00:15:01,280 --> 00:15:02,400 Speaker 3: rules that make no sense. 301 00:15:04,040 --> 00:15:08,320 Speaker 9: States must run a competitive sub granting propose. 302 00:15:08,400 --> 00:15:13,840 Speaker 5: Oh my fucking god. At step twelve, by after all 303 00:15:13,920 --> 00:15:16,200 Speaker 5: this has been done. 304 00:15:15,600 --> 00:15:17,520 Speaker 9: Yeah, none of that could have happened along the way 305 00:15:17,560 --> 00:15:21,880 Speaker 9: here we have now lost seventeen more applicants. So now 306 00:15:22,200 --> 00:15:26,880 Speaker 9: thirty of fifty six have completed Step twelve. Step thirteen, 307 00:15:27,280 --> 00:15:31,520 Speaker 9: States must submit a final proposal. All the proposals weren't 308 00:15:31,600 --> 00:15:35,400 Speaker 9: enough to NTIA. Now that goes to three of fifty six. 309 00:15:35,880 --> 00:15:38,080 Speaker 9: So we've gone in the last couple steps from fifty 310 00:15:38,120 --> 00:15:41,160 Speaker 9: six had gone to this point to three of fifty six. 311 00:15:41,200 --> 00:15:46,840 Speaker 9: Step fourteen, the NTIA must review and approve the state's 312 00:15:46,920 --> 00:15:50,160 Speaker 9: final proposal, and that is three of the fifty six 313 00:15:50,280 --> 00:15:55,560 Speaker 9: jurisdictions and states are there. In summary, Colin states are 314 00:15:55,680 --> 00:15:59,600 Speaker 9: nearly at the finish line, and it says to stop 315 00:15:59,640 --> 00:16:03,160 Speaker 9: their progress now, or worse, to make them go backwards, 316 00:16:03,640 --> 00:16:06,320 Speaker 9: would be a stick in the spokes of the most 317 00:16:06,360 --> 00:16:10,840 Speaker 9: promising broadband deployment plans we have ever seen. 318 00:16:12,000 --> 00:16:17,600 Speaker 5: And the scene, Yeah, so I'm speechless, as honestly, like, 319 00:16:18,160 --> 00:16:23,600 Speaker 5: it's a far worse than I could have imagined. But 320 00:16:23,680 --> 00:16:27,880 Speaker 5: the fact that they amputated their own legs on This 321 00:16:28,600 --> 00:16:29,920 Speaker 5: is what's so stunning. 322 00:16:30,200 --> 00:16:32,840 Speaker 3: So for those listening to this only on audio, John 323 00:16:32,880 --> 00:16:36,440 Speaker 3: Stewart's freaking out throughout this whole clip. He's clutching his head, 324 00:16:36,480 --> 00:16:38,960 Speaker 3: he's walking around, he's like slamming things. 325 00:16:39,280 --> 00:16:41,480 Speaker 2: He has never heard of this ever before. 326 00:16:41,520 --> 00:16:44,600 Speaker 3: And Jim Garrity tweeted this clip with the comment, A 327 00:16:44,680 --> 00:16:47,160 Speaker 3: key part of being a conservative is not being wrong, 328 00:16:47,280 --> 00:16:50,280 Speaker 3: but being right too early before it is socially acceptable. 329 00:16:51,440 --> 00:16:52,520 Speaker 2: That gets really old. 330 00:16:53,080 --> 00:16:55,760 Speaker 3: We laugh at the now it can be told, and 331 00:16:55,800 --> 00:16:57,520 Speaker 3: we do laugh about it, and we try to find 332 00:16:57,600 --> 00:17:00,200 Speaker 3: humor in the fact that we're right about things, you know, 333 00:17:00,320 --> 00:17:03,160 Speaker 3: years ahead of the left. But the left goes through 334 00:17:03,200 --> 00:17:06,359 Speaker 3: this every single time, and it's just tiresome. Like you 335 00:17:06,680 --> 00:17:10,080 Speaker 3: just learned that government is a wasteful boondoggle just now 336 00:17:10,200 --> 00:17:11,280 Speaker 3: on your show. 337 00:17:12,000 --> 00:17:16,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, Like, I do think that they truly believe when 338 00:17:16,880 --> 00:17:22,119 Speaker 1: you name something build back better or inflation reduction or 339 00:17:22,240 --> 00:17:26,280 Speaker 1: Affordable Care Act, many of them just think that's good enough, 340 00:17:26,520 --> 00:17:30,639 Speaker 1: done and done. Now we have affordable care. Whereas another 341 00:17:30,680 --> 00:17:34,240 Speaker 1: instance of being right ahead of the curve, I was like, yeah, 342 00:17:34,280 --> 00:17:36,359 Speaker 1: this Obamacare thing isn't going to work out great for 343 00:17:36,400 --> 00:17:39,200 Speaker 1: people like me who are in this actual market because 344 00:17:39,240 --> 00:17:45,240 Speaker 1: of these various very clear economic incentives. They're like, oh, yeah, 345 00:17:45,240 --> 00:17:47,800 Speaker 1: that's exactly what happens. So we need more subsidies to 346 00:17:47,800 --> 00:17:50,119 Speaker 1: fix the problem that we created, right Like, it just 347 00:17:50,600 --> 00:17:54,320 Speaker 1: always ends up going this way, it feels like. And 348 00:17:54,359 --> 00:18:05,440 Speaker 1: then Klein is a bona fide recognized, prestigious liberal thought leader. Sure, 349 00:18:05,640 --> 00:18:09,720 Speaker 1: and yet he's always a decade or two behind us 350 00:18:10,240 --> 00:18:13,520 Speaker 1: on these things. Because I've been making this argument about 351 00:18:13,560 --> 00:18:16,960 Speaker 1: government since I was legit sixteen years old. 352 00:18:17,240 --> 00:18:21,239 Speaker 3: I looked around me and like reaganlin like, we're from 353 00:18:21,280 --> 00:18:22,600 Speaker 3: the government and I'm here to help. 354 00:18:22,600 --> 00:18:24,840 Speaker 2: Are the scariest words in the English language that I 355 00:18:24,920 --> 00:18:25,440 Speaker 2: might not know. 356 00:18:25,480 --> 00:18:27,640 Speaker 1: This, I saw it in my own life. I looked 357 00:18:27,640 --> 00:18:29,920 Speaker 1: around me and was like, I think the things we're 358 00:18:29,920 --> 00:18:32,800 Speaker 1: doing to help people aren't actually helping people. And that 359 00:18:32,960 --> 00:18:37,320 Speaker 1: is how I became conservative. And if you haven't looked 360 00:18:37,320 --> 00:18:39,920 Speaker 1: at these programs, which you, by the way, if you're 361 00:18:39,920 --> 00:18:42,400 Speaker 1: an Azer client or one of these folks John Stewart included, 362 00:18:42,680 --> 00:18:47,440 Speaker 1: you cheerleaded the whole time without saying this is how 363 00:18:47,480 --> 00:18:50,240 Speaker 1: it should work to actually help people. There's another one, 364 00:18:50,240 --> 00:18:53,240 Speaker 1: by the way, the Harris broadband roll out. The Wall 365 00:18:53,240 --> 00:18:56,600 Speaker 1: Street Journal famously covered forty two point five billion dollar 366 00:18:57,000 --> 00:19:01,520 Speaker 1: subsidy zero things built, right, So yeah, and I think 367 00:19:01,520 --> 00:19:03,960 Speaker 1: the thing they're missing that they can't admit about their side, 368 00:19:04,040 --> 00:19:06,399 Speaker 1: and this is like the USAID problem and all of 369 00:19:06,560 --> 00:19:10,639 Speaker 1: the Doge stuff. The job was to get these people 370 00:19:10,680 --> 00:19:14,719 Speaker 1: paid who stand in the way of getting things built. 371 00:19:14,240 --> 00:19:14,760 Speaker 2: That's right. 372 00:19:14,840 --> 00:19:17,880 Speaker 1: And when they did that, everybody was happy, yep. 373 00:19:17,720 --> 00:19:19,840 Speaker 3: And nothing else needed to happen because. 374 00:19:19,520 --> 00:19:23,199 Speaker 2: That was the whole goal. It's yep. Yeah, I don't know. 375 00:19:23,320 --> 00:19:27,320 Speaker 3: I'm trying to give them grace for finally getting there 376 00:19:27,320 --> 00:19:28,800 Speaker 3: because so many people still haven't. 377 00:19:28,920 --> 00:19:31,679 Speaker 2: But you just know, the next time Democrats are in charge, 378 00:19:31,800 --> 00:19:33,680 Speaker 2: they're going to revert right back to form. 379 00:19:34,200 --> 00:19:36,360 Speaker 3: Yes, and we don't even have to wait for Democrats 380 00:19:36,359 --> 00:19:37,640 Speaker 3: to be back in charge of the country. 381 00:19:38,520 --> 00:19:40,720 Speaker 2: Here's a clip of as reclined. 382 00:19:40,760 --> 00:19:42,679 Speaker 3: He went on Gaven Newsom show so to bring this 383 00:19:42,720 --> 00:19:46,320 Speaker 3: full circle to talk about the bad policies in blue states, 384 00:19:46,359 --> 00:19:49,359 Speaker 3: and he still ends up being very gentle with Gavin 385 00:19:49,400 --> 00:19:52,560 Speaker 3: Newsome and saying, you know, as he basically says to 386 00:19:52,600 --> 00:19:55,240 Speaker 3: his face that Gavinus's policies are failure. 387 00:19:55,600 --> 00:19:58,720 Speaker 2: But he's also giving him kind of leeway to. 388 00:19:58,680 --> 00:20:01,520 Speaker 3: Say, well, this does happen in Red states too. Let's 389 00:20:01,560 --> 00:20:02,080 Speaker 3: roll the clip. 390 00:20:03,400 --> 00:20:08,639 Speaker 6: Localism is determinative, and you pick on understandably San Francisco, 391 00:20:10,080 --> 00:20:12,159 Speaker 6: but you can look at almost any city, including a 392 00:20:12,160 --> 00:20:17,520 Speaker 6: Republican healt city like Huntington Beach, and the same rules 393 00:20:17,560 --> 00:20:21,400 Speaker 6: and restrictions apply there in the same frustrations. So from 394 00:20:21,440 --> 00:20:24,480 Speaker 6: the prism of left versus right, you take the shot 395 00:20:24,520 --> 00:20:28,960 Speaker 6: against liberals. But can't we argue that there is sort 396 00:20:29,000 --> 00:20:33,560 Speaker 6: of quality of consideration and nimbism that persists in rural 397 00:20:33,600 --> 00:20:34,880 Speaker 6: and red parts count. 398 00:20:34,920 --> 00:20:38,080 Speaker 9: Well, let me flip this because to shadow box around 399 00:20:38,119 --> 00:20:41,000 Speaker 9: the fact that you know more about California governance than 400 00:20:41,040 --> 00:20:42,800 Speaker 9: I ever will in a thousand years ago in this 401 00:20:42,840 --> 00:20:45,520 Speaker 9: would be ridiculous. Why is it easier to build homes 402 00:20:45,520 --> 00:20:47,119 Speaker 9: in Texas and California. 403 00:20:46,680 --> 00:20:48,679 Speaker 6: They have Well, you established that in the book in 404 00:20:48,720 --> 00:20:50,399 Speaker 6: Houston you make the point I think it was seventy 405 00:20:50,440 --> 00:20:53,400 Speaker 6: thousand permits in twenty twenty three, just seventy five hundred 406 00:20:53,800 --> 00:20:56,960 Speaker 6: in a much smaller city, San Francisco, but understandable contract 407 00:20:57,000 --> 00:20:59,560 Speaker 6: the city with more demand, more demand, and it's simply 408 00:20:59,600 --> 00:21:02,440 Speaker 6: because they have no zoning. They have land use consideration 409 00:21:03,119 --> 00:21:05,720 Speaker 6: has zoning, yeah, but not Houston in the context of that. 410 00:21:06,320 --> 00:21:08,160 Speaker 9: The thing I'm getting it here, which I really would 411 00:21:08,200 --> 00:21:10,960 Speaker 9: like your the thing you just said right about localism. 412 00:21:11,000 --> 00:21:13,359 Speaker 9: It's so important and like this is so much the 413 00:21:13,359 --> 00:21:15,680 Speaker 9: conversation I'd love for us to have here because the 414 00:21:15,720 --> 00:21:18,439 Speaker 9: texture that you have been grappling with of why do 415 00:21:18,520 --> 00:21:21,280 Speaker 9: things that you want to have happen not happen is 416 00:21:21,280 --> 00:21:23,080 Speaker 9: I think a really interesting thing to add to it. 417 00:21:23,640 --> 00:21:26,280 Speaker 9: But when you're saying, well, you know, is this really 418 00:21:26,320 --> 00:21:30,760 Speaker 9: a problem for liberals. It's easier to build in Texas 419 00:21:30,760 --> 00:21:33,200 Speaker 9: and Florida. They're not just in California, but in California 420 00:21:33,280 --> 00:21:36,000 Speaker 9: or New York. Right, the cost of living crisis is 421 00:21:36,080 --> 00:21:37,679 Speaker 9: worse in blue states. And a little bit of that 422 00:21:37,720 --> 00:21:39,000 Speaker 9: is Blue states are a place a lot of people 423 00:21:39,000 --> 00:21:42,520 Speaker 9: want to live, but you should be able to in 424 00:21:42,520 --> 00:21:46,320 Speaker 9: places governing for the working class in theory and coin. 425 00:21:46,240 --> 00:21:48,600 Speaker 6: Is a point and just to level set, people are 426 00:21:48,600 --> 00:21:51,760 Speaker 6: listening completely agree this notion of the supply demand imbalance. 427 00:21:51,800 --> 00:21:53,679 Speaker 6: I mean you're making an econ one to one argument, 428 00:21:54,560 --> 00:21:57,960 Speaker 6: and that supply to imbalance is next level in the 429 00:21:57,960 --> 00:22:00,000 Speaker 6: state of California, which is simply not building enough housing. 430 00:22:00,480 --> 00:22:03,040 Speaker 6: And that goes to I mean and you correctly identify 431 00:22:03,200 --> 00:22:08,000 Speaker 6: nimbiism and people, you know, incumbent protection rackets, so to speak. 432 00:22:08,200 --> 00:22:11,719 Speaker 3: When Ezra Client says to him that the things that 433 00:22:11,840 --> 00:22:16,200 Speaker 3: Gavin Newsom want to happen are not happening, that's bad policy. 434 00:22:16,359 --> 00:22:19,560 Speaker 2: What he is describing are policies that don't work. And 435 00:22:19,600 --> 00:22:22,959 Speaker 2: they could talk whatever they want around the subject. They 436 00:22:23,000 --> 00:22:25,680 Speaker 2: could pretend that it's just a coincidence. 437 00:22:25,720 --> 00:22:27,800 Speaker 3: Oh, just because people really want to live in Blue 438 00:22:27,840 --> 00:22:30,120 Speaker 3: states and that's why they don't have enough housing. It's 439 00:22:30,160 --> 00:22:33,600 Speaker 3: just like supply demand econ one on one problem. Red 440 00:22:33,640 --> 00:22:38,520 Speaker 3: States saw far more internal migration from other from Blue 441 00:22:38,520 --> 00:22:39,600 Speaker 3: states during. 442 00:22:39,480 --> 00:22:41,600 Speaker 2: The pandemic than the other way around. 443 00:22:41,800 --> 00:22:45,680 Speaker 3: So spare me the supply demand. Red States figured out 444 00:22:45,720 --> 00:22:49,080 Speaker 3: a way to provide that supply. Your policies are bad, 445 00:22:49,160 --> 00:22:52,280 Speaker 3: your ideas are bad. You need to move on from 446 00:22:52,359 --> 00:22:53,480 Speaker 3: the things that don't work. 447 00:22:54,160 --> 00:22:59,560 Speaker 1: Can I just throw so many bs liberal speakers, localism 448 00:22:59,680 --> 00:23:04,760 Speaker 1: is determinative and level set. And my favorite, which is 449 00:23:04,800 --> 00:23:07,560 Speaker 1: like Client euphemizing what he's doing. When you're dealing with 450 00:23:07,600 --> 00:23:12,480 Speaker 1: the texture as a texture, you've made decisions that have 451 00:23:12,600 --> 00:23:15,920 Speaker 1: been bad that have created this problem. And look, I 452 00:23:15,960 --> 00:23:18,600 Speaker 1: do appreciate that someone like Klein is looking at the 453 00:23:18,640 --> 00:23:21,879 Speaker 1: situation and going ooh, even though I'm sort of arguing 454 00:23:21,880 --> 00:23:24,920 Speaker 1: against interesting against my party. The thing we are meant 455 00:23:24,960 --> 00:23:27,320 Speaker 1: to be doing is fixing the cost of living, is 456 00:23:27,440 --> 00:23:31,600 Speaker 1: building housing that we purport to once to build houses 457 00:23:31,640 --> 00:23:33,159 Speaker 1: so that people can have places to live and it 458 00:23:33,160 --> 00:23:36,080 Speaker 1: can be more affordable. And we are not doing that 459 00:23:36,160 --> 00:23:39,240 Speaker 1: thing emphatically. He's communicating that over and over and it's 460 00:23:39,280 --> 00:23:41,480 Speaker 1: making a lot of people on the left mat. Yes, 461 00:23:41,560 --> 00:23:43,639 Speaker 1: he's very late to it, and yes he cheerleaded for 462 00:23:43,720 --> 00:23:49,639 Speaker 1: many of these things, including the regulations. But like the 463 00:23:49,680 --> 00:23:53,960 Speaker 1: way they're having this conversation, Yeah, totally ignores the fact 464 00:23:54,000 --> 00:23:58,040 Speaker 1: that we're having a national conversation on the right and 465 00:23:58,119 --> 00:24:03,440 Speaker 1: inspired by the action of Oh, that's right, Doge, that's 466 00:24:04,200 --> 00:24:08,600 Speaker 1: conceding the same thing and trying to fix it by 467 00:24:08,680 --> 00:24:11,680 Speaker 1: doing an audit of these federal programs, and they are 468 00:24:11,800 --> 00:24:15,280 Speaker 1: so up in arms about it. Brett Baer on Fox 469 00:24:15,320 --> 00:24:19,000 Speaker 1: News did a long form thirty minute interview with the 470 00:24:19,040 --> 00:24:21,560 Speaker 1: Doge guys, who I think should have been doing They 471 00:24:21,560 --> 00:24:26,679 Speaker 1: should have been doing their rollout this way earlier, just 472 00:24:26,760 --> 00:24:32,879 Speaker 1: having these very sober, calm engineers and billionaires talk about 473 00:24:32,880 --> 00:24:37,719 Speaker 1: what they're doing, because it inspired some confidence and it 474 00:24:37,800 --> 00:24:41,600 Speaker 1: makes the pitch, just as as reclient is making that 475 00:24:42,240 --> 00:24:46,480 Speaker 1: if these programs don't work because they're big and misused, 476 00:24:47,080 --> 00:24:50,560 Speaker 1: you get worked over and we don't want that. So 477 00:24:50,640 --> 00:24:52,320 Speaker 1: this is what we're doing to fix it. I think 478 00:24:52,359 --> 00:25:00,680 Speaker 1: they should invite Ezer to be part of Doge's invoke 479 00:25:01,000 --> 00:25:03,040 Speaker 1: that language and be like, you know what, I think 480 00:25:03,080 --> 00:25:05,119 Speaker 1: we have an ally here right right? 481 00:25:08,280 --> 00:25:11,480 Speaker 3: Oh yeah, our last clip in this section, we can't 482 00:25:11,520 --> 00:25:14,800 Speaker 3: not play it. But Catherine Mayher she I think that's 483 00:25:14,800 --> 00:25:16,960 Speaker 3: how she pronounced it or was it really good mar? 484 00:25:17,119 --> 00:25:18,720 Speaker 3: I'm not I'm not sure, but it's not. It's not 485 00:25:18,840 --> 00:25:20,960 Speaker 3: mar like Bill Maher. But it's all the same. Okay, 486 00:25:21,960 --> 00:25:24,400 Speaker 3: sorry if I'm getting that wrong. But she is the 487 00:25:24,400 --> 00:25:27,240 Speaker 3: CEO of NPR or the head of NPR. I don't 488 00:25:27,320 --> 00:25:31,960 Speaker 3: they call it the CEO. And she was grilled by 489 00:25:32,440 --> 00:25:37,359 Speaker 3: Congressman Brandon Gill from Texas. And let's roll that clip 490 00:25:37,400 --> 00:25:38,600 Speaker 3: in case you haven't heard it yet. 491 00:25:39,880 --> 00:25:42,880 Speaker 10: Do you believe that America is addicted to white supremacy? 492 00:25:43,960 --> 00:25:46,840 Speaker 11: I believe that. I tweeted that and as I've said earlier, 493 00:25:46,880 --> 00:25:49,320 Speaker 11: I believe much of my thinking has evolved over the 494 00:25:49,400 --> 00:25:50,280 Speaker 11: last half decade. 495 00:25:50,560 --> 00:25:52,639 Speaker 8: It has evolved. Why did you tweet that? 496 00:25:53,400 --> 00:25:56,159 Speaker 11: I don't recall the exact context, sir, so I wouldn't 497 00:25:56,160 --> 00:25:57,000 Speaker 11: be able to say. 498 00:25:57,080 --> 00:26:00,640 Speaker 10: Okay, do you believe that America believes in black plunder 499 00:26:00,680 --> 00:26:01,800 Speaker 10: in white democracy? 500 00:26:02,359 --> 00:26:04,760 Speaker 11: I don't believe that, sir. 501 00:26:05,119 --> 00:26:06,199 Speaker 8: You tweeted that. 502 00:26:06,280 --> 00:26:08,760 Speaker 10: It's reference to a book you were reading at the time, 503 00:26:08,800 --> 00:26:10,960 Speaker 10: apparently The Case for Reparations. 504 00:26:11,320 --> 00:26:12,840 Speaker 11: I don't think I've ever read that book, sir. 505 00:26:13,480 --> 00:26:14,640 Speaker 8: You tweeted about it. 506 00:26:15,560 --> 00:26:18,000 Speaker 10: You said you took a day off to fully read 507 00:26:18,040 --> 00:26:20,560 Speaker 10: The Case for Reparations. You put that on Twitter in 508 00:26:20,640 --> 00:26:21,919 Speaker 10: January twenty twenty. 509 00:26:22,760 --> 00:26:25,879 Speaker 11: I apologies. I don't recall that I did. I'd no 510 00:26:25,920 --> 00:26:29,280 Speaker 11: doubt that your tweet there is correct, but I don't recall. 511 00:26:29,640 --> 00:26:32,960 Speaker 10: Okay, do you believe that white people and inherently feel 512 00:26:33,000 --> 00:26:34,320 Speaker 10: superior to other races? 513 00:26:34,480 --> 00:26:34,840 Speaker 11: I do not. 514 00:26:36,040 --> 00:26:38,920 Speaker 10: You tweeted something to that effect. You said I grew 515 00:26:39,000 --> 00:26:40,200 Speaker 10: up feeling superior. 516 00:26:40,200 --> 00:26:42,639 Speaker 8: Ha how wide of me. Why did you tweet that? 517 00:26:43,560 --> 00:26:46,240 Speaker 11: I think I was probably reflecting on what it was 518 00:26:46,400 --> 00:26:49,320 Speaker 11: to be to grow up in an environment where I 519 00:26:49,359 --> 00:26:50,399 Speaker 11: had lots of advantages. 520 00:26:50,680 --> 00:26:53,399 Speaker 8: It sounds like you're saying that white people feel superior. 521 00:26:54,080 --> 00:26:56,639 Speaker 11: I don't believe that anybody feels that way, sir. I 522 00:26:56,840 --> 00:26:58,480 Speaker 11: was just reflecting on my own experiences. 523 00:26:58,520 --> 00:27:00,480 Speaker 8: Do you think that white people should pay rep. 524 00:27:01,119 --> 00:27:02,200 Speaker 11: I have never said that, sir. 525 00:27:03,080 --> 00:27:05,880 Speaker 10: Yes you did. You said it in January of twenty twenty. 526 00:27:05,920 --> 00:27:09,920 Speaker 10: You tweeted, yes, the North, yes, all of us, Yes, America, Yes, 527 00:27:09,920 --> 00:27:14,000 Speaker 10: our original collective sin and unpaid debt. Yes, reparations, yes 528 00:27:14,040 --> 00:27:14,640 Speaker 10: on this day. 529 00:27:14,880 --> 00:27:17,600 Speaker 11: I don't believe that was a reference to fiscal reparations, sir. 530 00:27:17,840 --> 00:27:19,800 Speaker 8: What kind of reparations was it a reference to. 531 00:27:20,240 --> 00:27:21,840 Speaker 11: I think it was just a reference to the idea 532 00:27:21,840 --> 00:27:24,320 Speaker 11: that we all owe much to the people who came 533 00:27:24,359 --> 00:27:25,480 Speaker 11: before us. 534 00:27:25,240 --> 00:27:28,440 Speaker 8: That's a bizarre way to frame what you tweeted. 535 00:27:30,000 --> 00:27:32,040 Speaker 2: It is a bizarre way to frame, which is we 536 00:27:32,160 --> 00:27:35,040 Speaker 2: all know what she was doing. We all know that 537 00:27:35,440 --> 00:27:37,600 Speaker 2: she could just say twenty twenty it was a crazy time, 538 00:27:37,800 --> 00:27:39,480 Speaker 2: you know. But she's not. 539 00:27:39,720 --> 00:27:45,160 Speaker 3: She's saying and her mannerisms are like, who would believe 540 00:27:45,280 --> 00:27:46,600 Speaker 3: this ridiculous stuff. 541 00:27:46,359 --> 00:27:47,000 Speaker 2: That you're saying. 542 00:27:48,320 --> 00:27:51,800 Speaker 1: By the way, if the girl you believed it, it'd 543 00:27:51,840 --> 00:27:54,600 Speaker 1: be one thing. If she was like a twenty something 544 00:27:54,600 --> 00:27:56,800 Speaker 1: when she traded this, and now she's a forty something 545 00:27:57,000 --> 00:27:59,680 Speaker 1: CEO whatever. Even then, I'd be like a kind of 546 00:27:59,680 --> 00:28:02,639 Speaker 1: stupid and you should answer for them. But she was 547 00:28:02,760 --> 00:28:05,919 Speaker 1: thirty nine. Yeah, I think when she tweeted it, this 548 00:28:05,960 --> 00:28:09,679 Speaker 1: is not decade, she was like between thirty seven and 549 00:28:09,720 --> 00:28:12,440 Speaker 1: thirty nine years old, Okay, and she's like, oh gosh, 550 00:28:12,520 --> 00:28:15,720 Speaker 1: where where did that come from? I mean, it is wild. 551 00:28:15,920 --> 00:28:19,720 Speaker 1: I would say it is peak liberal white lady to 552 00:28:19,760 --> 00:28:22,639 Speaker 1: really say in January of twenty twenty that you're taking 553 00:28:22,640 --> 00:28:26,280 Speaker 1: the day to fully absorb an important book about reparations 554 00:28:26,320 --> 00:28:28,320 Speaker 1: and then have to admit under oath you did not 555 00:28:28,440 --> 00:28:30,720 Speaker 1: read that book at all. Amazing. 556 00:28:31,200 --> 00:28:33,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, I was kind to read the books. 557 00:28:33,200 --> 00:28:36,200 Speaker 1: Come on, like, no, that's what I said. The books 558 00:28:36,200 --> 00:28:39,880 Speaker 1: were for the zoom background, they were for reading, and 559 00:28:40,200 --> 00:28:43,640 Speaker 1: they were for signaling. She was signaling at that time 560 00:28:43,720 --> 00:28:47,000 Speaker 1: it was advantageous to signal that, and now it's become 561 00:28:47,360 --> 00:28:50,520 Speaker 1: crazy to signal that, so she has to signal something different, 562 00:28:50,760 --> 00:28:54,800 Speaker 1: and she just wants to skip over her own reparations 563 00:28:55,000 --> 00:28:58,320 Speaker 1: for the fact that she was a crazy person in 564 00:28:58,360 --> 00:29:00,640 Speaker 1: twenty twenty and now is trying to act like, by 565 00:29:00,640 --> 00:29:02,320 Speaker 1: the way, The other thing she said was that MPR 566 00:29:02,400 --> 00:29:07,120 Speaker 1: has absolutely she's never witnessed political bias in selection of 567 00:29:07,120 --> 00:29:11,560 Speaker 1: stories at NPR. And someone confronts her with Uri Berliner, 568 00:29:11,600 --> 00:29:14,760 Speaker 1: who left NPR for Free Press, with his stat that 569 00:29:14,920 --> 00:29:19,280 Speaker 1: eighty seven of the DC based editorial positions were Democrats, 570 00:29:19,720 --> 00:29:26,240 Speaker 1: zero Republicans, and she persisted in saying you did persist. Yeah, nonetheless, 571 00:29:26,280 --> 00:29:31,520 Speaker 1: there was no bias. And that is just impossible, incredible, 572 00:29:32,680 --> 00:29:34,360 Speaker 1: not worth listening to. 573 00:29:34,880 --> 00:29:36,560 Speaker 2: And the five years she's going to be like, who 574 00:29:36,560 --> 00:29:39,120 Speaker 2: said that? What that was half a decade ago. 575 00:29:40,280 --> 00:29:42,440 Speaker 1: These are supposed to be the thought leaders, right. That's 576 00:29:42,480 --> 00:29:44,840 Speaker 1: the thing that they pile on top of this that 577 00:29:44,920 --> 00:29:48,960 Speaker 1: makes me so angry is that they're still sitting there like, well, well, well, 578 00:29:50,120 --> 00:29:53,080 Speaker 1: in the pristine timing of a lefty, I have come 579 00:29:53,120 --> 00:29:55,320 Speaker 1: to the same conclusions that you came to with the 580 00:29:55,440 --> 00:29:57,760 Speaker 1: very obvious evidence in front of you five years ago, 581 00:29:57,880 --> 00:30:01,600 Speaker 1: whether it's lablic theory or regulation or bias it in PR, 582 00:30:01,960 --> 00:30:05,640 Speaker 1: or the stupidity of twenty twenty. And they're like, now 583 00:30:05,680 --> 00:30:07,560 Speaker 1: it can be told. And even though you were right 584 00:30:07,600 --> 00:30:10,320 Speaker 1: five years earlier, I still think you're stupid and below 585 00:30:10,720 --> 00:30:12,760 Speaker 1: I don't appreciate it. 586 00:30:11,760 --> 00:30:17,240 Speaker 3: I think that again, we'll laugh it off, but it's wrong, 587 00:30:17,440 --> 00:30:24,080 Speaker 3: it's wrong. Yeah, we'll be right back on normally. All right, 588 00:30:24,160 --> 00:30:26,240 Speaker 3: let's wrap up with a little bit of a later 589 00:30:26,720 --> 00:30:28,160 Speaker 3: a little bit of a later segment. 590 00:30:28,960 --> 00:30:31,280 Speaker 1: We're gonna bring it up. We're gonna we're gonna share everybody. 591 00:30:31,360 --> 00:30:32,479 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, we're gonna do it. 592 00:30:33,000 --> 00:30:37,560 Speaker 3: Chapel Ron had some comments, and I think we're gonna. 593 00:30:37,400 --> 00:30:41,120 Speaker 2: Roll that clip. All of my friends who have kids 594 00:30:41,120 --> 00:30:41,520 Speaker 2: are in hell. 595 00:30:42,480 --> 00:30:43,200 Speaker 1: I don't know anyone. 596 00:30:43,320 --> 00:30:45,600 Speaker 12: I actually don't know anyone who's like happy and has 597 00:30:45,680 --> 00:30:50,440 Speaker 12: children at this age. I have like like a one 598 00:30:50,760 --> 00:30:53,400 Speaker 12: year old, like three year old, four and under five 599 00:30:53,440 --> 00:30:55,480 Speaker 12: and under. I don't I literally have not met anyone 600 00:30:55,520 --> 00:30:58,320 Speaker 12: who's happy, anyone who has like light in their eyes, 601 00:30:58,320 --> 00:31:00,720 Speaker 12: anyone who has who has slept. 602 00:31:02,400 --> 00:31:05,280 Speaker 3: I mean maybe they're not sleeping, but the rest of 603 00:31:05,280 --> 00:31:10,160 Speaker 3: it is just I you know, I just don't get it. 604 00:31:10,360 --> 00:31:13,920 Speaker 3: Because I heard this, I also I was her. I 605 00:31:13,960 --> 00:31:18,680 Speaker 3: even looked a little like her. I would say I 606 00:31:18,720 --> 00:31:22,920 Speaker 3: believed that having kids was a dead end and that 607 00:31:23,320 --> 00:31:25,760 Speaker 3: it would be insane to have children who would want 608 00:31:25,840 --> 00:31:28,160 Speaker 3: to do something like that on purpose, Like that's insane, 609 00:31:28,240 --> 00:31:28,840 Speaker 3: it's crazy. 610 00:31:28,920 --> 00:31:31,280 Speaker 2: Obviously, it's so much better not to have kids. I 611 00:31:31,400 --> 00:31:34,560 Speaker 2: was so wrong. I was so wrong. It's indescribable how 612 00:31:34,600 --> 00:31:37,520 Speaker 2: wrong I was. How I have three kids, I wish 613 00:31:37,560 --> 00:31:40,640 Speaker 2: we had had four. We just literally ran out of time. 614 00:31:40,800 --> 00:31:45,560 Speaker 3: And it's you know, I can't say every single day 615 00:31:45,880 --> 00:31:48,840 Speaker 3: is full of happiness, but every single day is full 616 00:31:48,840 --> 00:31:49,320 Speaker 3: of joy. 617 00:31:49,840 --> 00:31:52,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, I know. I wanted to talk about this because 618 00:31:52,800 --> 00:31:54,400 Speaker 1: I feel like you and I are good can be 619 00:31:54,440 --> 00:31:57,080 Speaker 1: good poster children for the fact that this is fun, 620 00:31:57,640 --> 00:32:00,880 Speaker 1: and that neither one of us coming up in our 621 00:32:00,920 --> 00:32:04,760 Speaker 1: twenties and early thirties with some sort of like tradwife aspirant, right, 622 00:32:04,800 --> 00:32:08,040 Speaker 1: you know, like quite the opposite. You know, I always 623 00:32:08,040 --> 00:32:10,240 Speaker 1: thought I would have kids. I always sort of planned 624 00:32:10,240 --> 00:32:13,719 Speaker 1: to as a default, just because I loved growing up 625 00:32:13,720 --> 00:32:16,440 Speaker 1: with my brothers and I always wanted kids and to 626 00:32:16,720 --> 00:32:21,800 Speaker 1: them to have siblings. But it has been an unexpected joy, 627 00:32:22,040 --> 00:32:24,920 Speaker 1: I think because it is something that you don't experience 628 00:32:25,000 --> 00:32:28,520 Speaker 1: until you experience it. And I think a lot of 629 00:32:28,520 --> 00:32:31,680 Speaker 1: people say it's hard but rewarding, and that's true too, 630 00:32:32,200 --> 00:32:34,440 Speaker 1: But I don't want to miss the part where I 631 00:32:34,520 --> 00:32:36,680 Speaker 1: just have a ton of fun with my kids, right, 632 00:32:36,840 --> 00:32:41,400 Speaker 1: I mean, they are hilarious and I enjoy hanging out 633 00:32:41,400 --> 00:32:43,160 Speaker 1: with them. Took them to the zoo this weekend, took 634 00:32:43,200 --> 00:32:45,480 Speaker 1: them to Mountain Mount Vernon last weekend. 635 00:32:45,560 --> 00:32:46,440 Speaker 2: I love Mount Vernon. 636 00:32:46,840 --> 00:32:50,120 Speaker 1: Just let them run around in a field and be outside. 637 00:32:50,680 --> 00:32:54,560 Speaker 1: And I hate that people like Chapelon aren't seeing that 638 00:32:54,600 --> 00:32:57,480 Speaker 1: in their lives, and that the folks who listen to 639 00:32:57,520 --> 00:32:59,360 Speaker 1: call her Daddy, which is the podcast this was on, 640 00:33:00,280 --> 00:33:03,320 Speaker 1: will hear this from a very influential podcaster, you know, 641 00:33:03,400 --> 00:33:05,880 Speaker 1: podcast session with a woman that they look up to. 642 00:33:06,920 --> 00:33:08,880 Speaker 1: I just don't feel like they have the full information 643 00:33:09,800 --> 00:33:12,640 Speaker 1: about the fact that it can be just not just 644 00:33:12,720 --> 00:33:14,920 Speaker 1: rewarding and selfless, which it is, and that's a good 645 00:33:14,960 --> 00:33:18,360 Speaker 1: lesson to learn, but beautiful and fun and joyful. 646 00:33:18,880 --> 00:33:22,600 Speaker 2: Right she's twenty seven. She could clearly change her mind. 647 00:33:22,640 --> 00:33:25,800 Speaker 2: At twenty seven, I was very I'm never getting married 648 00:33:25,840 --> 00:33:26,600 Speaker 2: or having kids. 649 00:33:26,680 --> 00:33:28,880 Speaker 3: I had this whole image of myself that I was 650 00:33:28,920 --> 00:33:32,160 Speaker 3: going to be a fancy old lady who wore full 651 00:33:32,200 --> 00:33:34,960 Speaker 3: silashes and smoked long cigarettes in the hotel. 652 00:33:35,080 --> 00:33:37,280 Speaker 1: You can still be that, you can have it all, No, 653 00:33:37,640 --> 00:33:37,920 Speaker 1: I know. 654 00:33:38,480 --> 00:33:40,840 Speaker 3: It turns out I could totally do that. I could 655 00:33:40,840 --> 00:33:42,840 Speaker 3: do that after the kids go to college like it's 656 00:33:42,840 --> 00:33:43,520 Speaker 3: going to be fine. 657 00:33:44,640 --> 00:33:45,560 Speaker 2: I think Chapel Road. 658 00:33:45,640 --> 00:33:49,120 Speaker 3: Let yourself change your mind if that's the way you go. 659 00:33:49,360 --> 00:33:52,360 Speaker 3: Don't hold on to belief so so strongly that you 660 00:33:52,440 --> 00:33:55,400 Speaker 3: have when you're young, because things can change at any time. 661 00:33:55,680 --> 00:33:57,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, and oh, I wanted to say. I saw a 662 00:33:57,200 --> 00:33:59,720 Speaker 1: piece in the Atlantic like two weeks ago that was 663 00:33:59,720 --> 00:34:01,280 Speaker 1: in and I think it is one of the problems 664 00:34:01,280 --> 00:34:03,880 Speaker 1: with modern parenting and puts people in this place. It 665 00:34:03,920 --> 00:34:07,720 Speaker 1: was entitled like I tried baby lead weaning and it 666 00:34:07,800 --> 00:34:12,200 Speaker 1: almost destroyed my life. And this is just a philosophy 667 00:34:12,280 --> 00:34:14,560 Speaker 1: about how you get your kid from formula or breast 668 00:34:14,600 --> 00:34:18,719 Speaker 1: milk onto solid foods. Okay, it's not that big a deal. 669 00:34:18,760 --> 00:34:22,800 Speaker 1: You're overthinking it, right. If something like that almost destroyed 670 00:34:22,800 --> 00:34:25,960 Speaker 1: your life, I would say stop letting those decisions destroy 671 00:34:26,040 --> 00:34:28,960 Speaker 1: your life. Just do it or don't do it, right, 672 00:34:29,120 --> 00:34:30,160 Speaker 1: that's it. 673 00:34:29,920 --> 00:34:32,600 Speaker 2: Not that big a deal. It's no a few weeks 674 00:34:32,600 --> 00:34:34,200 Speaker 2: of your life. I don't even remember. 675 00:34:34,320 --> 00:34:36,160 Speaker 3: I Like when people are like, oh, did you do 676 00:34:36,200 --> 00:34:37,840 Speaker 3: baby led weaning, I'm like, I don't even know. 677 00:34:37,960 --> 00:34:39,640 Speaker 2: Did I Like, is that what it was called? I 678 00:34:39,680 --> 00:34:42,040 Speaker 2: don't know. And one time I just started feeding them 679 00:34:42,080 --> 00:34:44,320 Speaker 2: like baby food and that's that's what happened there. 680 00:34:44,400 --> 00:34:47,560 Speaker 1: So yeah, No, I just think people really get so 681 00:34:47,760 --> 00:34:51,680 Speaker 1: in their heads and modern parenting is so the demand 682 00:34:51,760 --> 00:34:54,839 Speaker 1: is that you be so hands on all times and 683 00:34:55,040 --> 00:34:58,640 Speaker 1: entertaining them and like a pretty good dose of eighties 684 00:34:58,760 --> 00:34:59,960 Speaker 1: nineties mom is what a lot of. 685 00:35:00,080 --> 00:35:04,239 Speaker 2: For prearranged parenting. Make it happen well. 686 00:35:04,280 --> 00:35:07,600 Speaker 3: Thanks for joining us on Normally Normally airs Tuesdays and Thursdays, 687 00:35:07,640 --> 00:35:10,960 Speaker 3: and you can subscribe anywhere you get your podcasts. 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