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Speaker 1: David Hellman, Jesse Holly joins the shot. What first time
Speaker 1: for the Break? This is the first time you and
Speaker 1: I have ever worked together, really ever on anything. Well,
Speaker 1: not exactly, Man, I did a story with you after
Speaker 1: you were going to cover. Yeah, that's different. That's different.
Speaker 1: That's that's that's us both doing work. I just wrote
Speaker 1: a story about you, like like two days ago. It's
Speaker 1: a small story. Yeah, it's for the a book that
Speaker 1: we're working on, the sixtieth anniversary book. So yeah, I
Speaker 1: figured you would be a nice little sidebar. And in
Speaker 1: the eleven season, all right, kill Pegras going on here.
Speaker 1: Huh understatement you know what, Well, depends on your definition
Speaker 1: of happening. But yeah, go ahead, Yeah, you know what,
Speaker 1: I totally forgotten about one name, big name that's been
Speaker 1: linked to the Cowboys. I'm trying to like throw all
Speaker 1: the names that are in and out all that before
Speaker 1: we get going. I just want to say this. You
Speaker 1: guys can chime in on your thoughts on this. My opinion.
Speaker 1: Obviously you know this. There's a lot of stuff going
Speaker 1: on in the world. We know that, we know that
Speaker 1: from the outside, and bigger stuff than football. So yes,
Speaker 1: that being said, we're not being toned deaf to anything
Speaker 1: that's going on. But you know, this is hopefully maybe
Speaker 1: gives people a little bit of a break. That's what
Speaker 1: the show's called. Gives him a break from some of
Speaker 1: the news that they read. And it can be kind
Speaker 1: of you get tired head doing that. So we know
Speaker 1: that there's bigger stuff going on, but we're, you know,
Speaker 1: gonna take this time here and talk about Cowboys, talk
Speaker 1: about football, and hopefully things get back to reality. It's
Speaker 1: been a really weird week because you know, the league
Speaker 1: decided to go forward free agency, and probably for the
Speaker 1: better because there's no guarantee that this is going to
Speaker 1: remarkably improve in the next few weeks. So it's been
Speaker 1: a really nice distraction to think about, Oh man, Okay,
Speaker 1: this guy's going like Tom Brady's going to Tampa, Like
Speaker 1: what's that going to look like? But then like as
Speaker 1: soon as I start thinking about that, I'm like, well,
Speaker 1: like can he get his physical Like when are the
Speaker 1: OTA's Like when are we actually going to get to
Speaker 1: see Tom Brady wear a buccaneer uniform. It's just really weird,
Speaker 1: But it has been nice to have this stuff to
Speaker 1: talk about and think about, for sure. Jesse. Just now,
Speaker 1: you were kind of asking what was the biggest thing
Speaker 1: that you thought, you know, in free agency around the league?
Speaker 1: And I think we said Tom Brady, you asked the question,
Speaker 1: you really didn't give the answer. What was What was
Speaker 1: your answer? I guess Cowboys related or just anything NFL um,
Speaker 1: I mean, of course, And the question was outside of
Speaker 1: the DeAndre Hopkins steal steal understatement? Yeah, yeah, um for that.
Speaker 1: You know, I would say the Miami Dolphins to me,
Speaker 1: and I know that's kind of like far, but the
Speaker 1: Miami Dolphins has I don't know who they bank with
Speaker 1: I don't know who's signed the check over there, but
Speaker 1: they have opened up the vault and have just been
Speaker 1: signing guys left and right, giving out big money. Um,
Speaker 1: a lot of the guys have Patriot ties. Brian Flores
Speaker 1: has a Patriot tie, but they have they have shockingly
Speaker 1: opened up the check book and been signing guys right.
Speaker 1: And you can do that when you spend two years
Speaker 1: offloading all your good players. I mean that's you know,
Speaker 1: they were the team that was tanking at the start
Speaker 1: of last season, and they you know, they shipped Robert
Speaker 1: Quinna Dallas for pennies they got rid of I mean,
Speaker 1: now you know, they got Byron Jones, they got Kyle
Speaker 1: van Noy. They're starting to add these players. But before
Speaker 1: a month ago, I you know, I struggle to tell
Speaker 1: you they even shipped Kenyan Drake out of town. I
Speaker 1: struggled to tell you who was on that roster. So
Speaker 1: at least in that regard, it makes sense that they
Speaker 1: had eighty million dollars to give to Byron Jones. You know,
Speaker 1: you mentioned Hopkins. I thought. The funniest thing that I've
Speaker 1: seen on social media is when someone said that the
Speaker 1: buccaneer that Chris Godwin, who wears number twelve for the Bucks,
Speaker 1: is going to get more for giving up number twelve
Speaker 1: to Brady than Bill O'Brien got forget given nice. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but that's a serious question though, Like that is a
Speaker 1: serious question the number. What is he going to give
Speaker 1: up for that number? Like, where's your what? I mean?
Speaker 1: He has a logo that says TV twelve. Right, that's
Speaker 1: just logo. They'll make it work. And you're in Tampa,
Speaker 1: So TV twelve in Tampa Bay. Oh yeah, I'll give you.
Speaker 1: Can I give a quick number story, it's very quickly.
Speaker 1: During my time at UNC, I played basketball as well,
Speaker 1: and my number was twenty four. UM. And so one
Speaker 1: day during like the spring summertime, I'm sitting in a
Speaker 1: bowl Jangles having lunched by myself. I get a call
Speaker 1: from an assistant coach, uh CB McGrath calls me and
Speaker 1: he goes, hey, just just out of curiosity, is there
Speaker 1: any other number that you like the size twenty four.
Speaker 1: I'm just like, now, man, we're twenty four in basketball
Speaker 1: in high school, Like, that's my digs, that's my number.
Speaker 1: He's like, think about it and I'll call you back
Speaker 1: in thirty minutes, I go whatever. I finished eating my chicken,
Speaker 1: and he called it back and says, so, have you
Speaker 1: thought about it? I'm like, CB, no, I haven't thought
Speaker 1: about it. He's like. I'm like. He's like, so, we
Speaker 1: don't want to give you a new number. We kind
Speaker 1: of want you to kind of pick your own number.
Speaker 1: I'm like, what are you talking about? Giving you the
Speaker 1: illusion of choice here. At that time, we had just
Speaker 1: signed the number one recruiting the country, Marvin Williams, and
Speaker 1: he won it number twenty four. So they were like, yeah,
Speaker 1: we basically promised Marvin that he'll we're number twenty four.
Speaker 1: And because you're like the seventh eighth guy off the
Speaker 1: bench and he's the number one recruiting the country, what
Speaker 1: number would you like? Yeah? And I was like zero.
Speaker 1: They was like cool, thank you, hung up, and so
Speaker 1: I wore number zero for that that next year. You know,
Speaker 1: in college, they can count do what they want, Like
Speaker 1: Chris Godwin will probably get like a charitable donation out
Speaker 1: of it, and maybe Tom will buy him a Rolex
Speaker 1: or something. But he's getting twelve. Yeah, my number starts
Speaker 1: at one hundred grand though, Like that's when I bought
Speaker 1: the floors at one hundred. I mean I think Tom
Speaker 1: can afford it. Oh yeah, yeah, all right, let's get
Speaker 1: to Cowboy News. Let's start where things have done here
Speaker 1: in the last few days. Kai for Bath, Anthony Brown,
Speaker 1: those guys are expected to sign with the Cowboys. Of
Speaker 1: course everything's a little bit different and dotted one greeted terms.
Speaker 1: Maybe some of them have come in and signed it,
Speaker 1: but Brown for Bath, Joe Looney looks like he's headed there,
Speaker 1: headed back here as well. Maurice Kennedy, Sace Kennedy, Kennedy
Speaker 1: cornerback from the Ravens and Jets. Maybe spent some time
Speaker 1: with the Jets. Um, don't forget the one hundred million
Speaker 1: dollar guy. What Mari Rope, I'm actually starting backwards. So
Speaker 1: I was like, you know, like I was kind of
Speaker 1: thinking that maybe you covered it some in the show
Speaker 1: you did yesterday, just saying I'm just saying written down,
Speaker 1: I was going in with my recent stuff. I feel
Speaker 1: like everyone listening is, you know, they're keeping up with this.
Speaker 1: So let's talk about the recent stuff first. Go backwards. Yes,
Speaker 1: we'll hit to the big hitters. Uh in a second, Um,
Speaker 1: you like the for Bath move for Bath, I guess
Speaker 1: is it's not the only thing they do. Yeah, Like,
Speaker 1: as long as it's not just yeah, Kai's oar guy.
Speaker 1: He was great. He was great for a month last
Speaker 1: year Union ten ten kicks I think, I mean he
Speaker 1: was great, No disrespect to him. He didn't miss a
Speaker 1: single extra point or a field goal, right, I count
Speaker 1: twenty Now he used to be just field goal, No,
Speaker 1: for sure. I mean after the struggles everything with the
Speaker 1: way the rules are down, especially with him, I mean,
Speaker 1: he's missed some Happy to have him back, but you know,
Speaker 1: I don't like the idea of it's just his job
Speaker 1: him and what's not just him? But was it Tristan
Speaker 1: this guy you know? Or yeah I have another kicker. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he'll be probably going to camp, but still somebody. I
Speaker 1: want there to be at least two kickers. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: like not like a guy that saves Kai's leg on
Speaker 1: off days, but like a guy that's competing to be
Speaker 1: the Cowboys kicker. It's a little bit crazy that we've
Speaker 1: come to a point in NFL football now where we
Speaker 1: have discussions about kickers because they've been so sporadic, Like
Speaker 1: this wouldn't have been a discussion ten years ago, Like
Speaker 1: we would be like oh, we would have even mentioned
Speaker 1: the kicker. Yeah, like he wouldn't have been. He wouldn't
Speaker 1: have been in any other mentions of signs, he wouldn't
Speaker 1: have been. He wouldn't have like he might have a
Speaker 1: small sentence if you were lifting all the signs. But
Speaker 1: now because of one where the NFL is at and
Speaker 1: how kicking has become so crucioe and so crazy at times,
Speaker 1: and then when there's team has been the last year
Speaker 1: or so with the inconsistency of kicking, now we have
Speaker 1: to have this conversation about is this guy going to
Speaker 1: be good enough for the long haul? How many times
Speaker 1: did the Cowboys blow out a team? It means few,
Speaker 1: isn't it. Yeah, Well, last year it felt like they
Speaker 1: were either blowing people out in wins or losing. The
Speaker 1: last five or six years, though, they don't blow out
Speaker 1: of teams down and they don't get blown out. But
Speaker 1: that was the philosophy of Jason Garrett. Though. But Jason
Speaker 1: Garrett always wanted to be as long as I'm within
Speaker 1: a puncher's chance at eight and eight type of guy
Speaker 1: at the end of the game. That was always this philosophy.
Speaker 1: He was never looking to blow anyone out. He was
Speaker 1: always saying no, And so that's why kick comes important
Speaker 1: and you know when, and it's not just at the
Speaker 1: end of the games. I mean, think about it, if
Speaker 1: you got if a team gets the ball with a
Speaker 1: minute thirty to go before halftime, you kind of think
Speaker 1: with their two minute offense, they're gonna get down at
Speaker 1: least getting positioned in kake a field goal. So field
Speaker 1: goals always matter at the end of the half, end
Speaker 1: of the game. So you know, I think it's it's
Speaker 1: it's good to have four bath back, but I agree
Speaker 1: with you, like, let's let's see what else, because all
Speaker 1: it takes for him is one missed extra point in
Speaker 1: the season opener, and then you're already thinking, okay, not
Speaker 1: to jump the gun on your talking points, like I
Speaker 1: already did. But like, that's kind of how I feel
Speaker 1: about everything they've done so far, all right, I'm like,
Speaker 1: I like that as long as it's not the only
Speaker 1: thing they're gonna do. Let's go down the list. Then, um,
Speaker 1: let's Anthony Brown. I mean, obviously that won't be the
Speaker 1: only thing, but I love it. You need four corners,
Speaker 1: right right, so they've got three for sure, that three
Speaker 1: with starting Slash major playing experience Brown Cheeto and and
Speaker 1: I mean, and you know when Brown resigned or agreed
Speaker 1: last night, like a lot of people were dogging him.
Speaker 1: He's that. I mean he's been I swear to god.
Speaker 1: There's people that just like there's this cornerback out there
Speaker 1: that's never been beaten for like, oh, he just gives
Speaker 1: up play. I'm like, well, yeah, like that's what happens.
Speaker 1: Like teams throw the ball forty times a game. But
Speaker 1: I love is. I had someone say I would rather
Speaker 1: have kept a lumba and let this guy go, And
Speaker 1: I was like, seen him race. I know this isn't
Speaker 1: like fifth grade, but have you seen the guy's race?
Speaker 1: Because if you would have seen if they would race
Speaker 1: Anthony Brown and Donovan a lumba, would Anthony Brown would
Speaker 1: be able to turn around at the end and kind
Speaker 1: of like wave to I mean, it's probably the difference
Speaker 1: of four three and a four six four seven guy
Speaker 1: that was a lumbus problem. He just couldn't run. It's
Speaker 1: absolutely that's that's ridiculous. Like Anthony Brown, He's honestly for me,
Speaker 1: like if he's your third corner, then your secondary he's
Speaker 1: probably pretty damn good, like four year starter. He's played slot,
Speaker 1: he's played outside. I think, I mean he's he's adequate,
Speaker 1: if not outright good. And what the new changes that
Speaker 1: this cowboy's defense will be making. Al Harris is one
Speaker 1: of those guys who wants to get up and press
Speaker 1: you like he's the new dB coach. So you're gonna
Speaker 1: need to have that recovery speed. You're gonna need to
Speaker 1: be able to, you know, child got the line of
Speaker 1: scrimmage and then be able to run and track guys out,
Speaker 1: hopefully this year turning to look for the ball. Yeah,
Speaker 1: hopefully hopefully. But that's going to be a methodology of
Speaker 1: how Al Harris and that you know, Mike Nolan, they
Speaker 1: teach that up in your face pressed the line of scrimmage.
Speaker 1: So that speed that you're talking about is going to
Speaker 1: be necessary. And a guy like a Lumbo wouldn't fit
Speaker 1: into the screen of what they want to do because
Speaker 1: once you get beat from the line, you have no
Speaker 1: recovery speed. Which I can hear the rebuttal coming at
Speaker 1: me right now, and I get it. I said, if
Speaker 1: ab is your third best corner, you're feeling pretty good
Speaker 1: even to easily make the argument he's currently the best
Speaker 1: corner on this team, and that's a little troubling. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's not like I don't feel good about the cornerback
Speaker 1: group on this team. I don't. I don't feel great
Speaker 1: about it. I do like the decision to bring Anthony
Speaker 1: Brown back. I would love for them to go get
Speaker 1: another free agent or draft a guy highly, or maybe
Speaker 1: even both. But I think it's a nice step in
Speaker 1: the right direction. You know, we always talk about free
Speaker 1: agency being able to cover, you know, the basis on
Speaker 1: these positions. So you go into the draft and you
Speaker 1: don't need a guy, you don't have to have that position.
Speaker 1: I think if they don't do anything else at corner,
Speaker 1: I still feel like you've got to get a cornerback
Speaker 1: in the first two rounds. That's that's kind of where
Speaker 1: I'm at. Is no disrespect to Jordan Lewis or Cheeto,
Speaker 1: but I don't look at those three and I'm just like, well,
Speaker 1: if we don't do anything else to this position, we're fine. Like,
Speaker 1: I don't know how you could feel that way. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they're free agents. Two of them are free agents next year,
Speaker 1: and yeah, I mean, if you're looking at the big picture,
Speaker 1: then you're just setting yourself up to be in deep
Speaker 1: trouble next year. So I really I wanted them to
Speaker 1: take a look at Desmond Truffont, but it looks like
Speaker 1: he's off to Detroit. So I think the market is
Speaker 1: you know, it's crazy how that happens. It's technically the
Speaker 1: second day of official free agency, and the markets kind
Speaker 1: of would you have traded a third and a fifth
Speaker 1: for like Philly did for Darius Lay, I would have
Speaker 1: traded a third and a fifth, But when you then
Speaker 1: you add paying him fifty million over three years, I
Speaker 1: don't hate that deal, but I you know, I'm not
Speaker 1: sitting here thinking the Cowboys blew it by not doing
Speaker 1: that either. Now, now they've got a guy, know, they've
Speaker 1: got a guy that he actually did a really nice job.
Speaker 1: If I remember against Amari Cooper of course, into in
Speaker 1: two career matchups, he's done really well against Coop. Are
Speaker 1: they both on the road, Yeah, well I don't know
Speaker 1: about one of them. But they played the Lions in
Speaker 1: Detroit last year and Cooper actually had a really amazing
Speaker 1: catch on him if it was going around Twitter last night,
Speaker 1: the sideline catch. But that was it. Though he had
Speaker 1: three catches for thirty eight yards play, did a pretty
Speaker 1: good job. Yeah, all right, let's keep moving here. Um,
Speaker 1: Joe Looney looks like that's going to happen. That's you know,
Speaker 1: that's a That's another good solid move there, because remember
Speaker 1: on game day, he can play three positions. He's your
Speaker 1: backup center, he's your backup guard. Everybody on our social
Speaker 1: media team, I'm sure loves to have Joe Looney back.
Speaker 1: He does. They ask him to do everything, and he does.
Speaker 1: He's great. Well, I mean, but he's a good We
Speaker 1: love him for his personality, but I think that matters
Speaker 1: in the locker room too. I think he's a widely
Speaker 1: beloved guy. I mean like he he's a backup and
Speaker 1: sort of has this elevated presence because of how much
Speaker 1: his teammates love him and respect him. Played really well
Speaker 1: for Frederick a couple of years ago. Yeah, yeah, I
Speaker 1: love that. I love that. Your deep snaps will be
Speaker 1: good next year. Fine with that. I'm totally fine with that.
Speaker 1: LPs is going to be doing this for ten more years.
Speaker 1: I feel like, and what do you say, nobody's nobody's
Speaker 1: winning life better? Nobody million years ago, the best years
Speaker 1: ago other than backup quarterback it's the next best position
Speaker 1: in football. But I will say this, and people just
Speaker 1: think the snapping that's what you have to do most
Speaker 1: of the time. But if he if he was a
Speaker 1: liability to run down on a punt, I mean, you
Speaker 1: still have to run down forty yards and and you know,
Speaker 1: you'd like to think other guys will make that tackle,
Speaker 1: especially if the punt's high enough and all that. But
Speaker 1: he's still able to go and do that, and he
Speaker 1: keeps his body good and all that. But don't discredit
Speaker 1: that's snapping like that is. So when you watch a
Speaker 1: guy come off the edge for a field goal block
Speaker 1: and there are I mean millimeters from blocking it, yeah,
Speaker 1: it's simply because the snap got that back there and
Speaker 1: it wasn't high, and it wasn't left or right. I
Speaker 1: mean it got to the point so that the catcher
Speaker 1: can get it and get it down and get it kicked.
Speaker 1: It doesn't even have to slept. That is so important
Speaker 1: when you're talking about And then also for special teams,
Speaker 1: because I played with LP, when you come up for
Speaker 1: a punt, LP will sometimes help you get into the
Speaker 1: right call right because a personal pacton might come up
Speaker 1: and call the wrong call. And he'll go hey, no, no no, no, no, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: fifty three fifty three You're like, oh, okay, yeah, that's better.
Speaker 1: So he'll he'll adjust you sometimes at the line of
Speaker 1: scrimmage to get you in the right call. What is it,
Speaker 1: he's like thirty eight something. I mean, if his snaps
Speaker 1: don't drop off, like he can just keep resigning one
Speaker 1: year deals and for ten more years. I don't care.
Speaker 1: So he's played two hundred and thirty seven games. If
Speaker 1: he plays sixteen more, that's what two fifty three. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and Jason Witten's at two fifty five. And I'm just
Speaker 1: going to segue into the fact that I think Jason
Speaker 1: Witten has done it two fifty five for the Cowboys. Yeah,
Speaker 1: there's been reports that he's going to the Raiders. So
Speaker 1: we'll see how. It's a weird it's a weak. I mean,
Speaker 1: it's it's a weird week for everyone because and you've
Speaker 1: seen teams kind of poking fun at it on Twitter.
Speaker 1: Is like, the NFL's not letting teams announce these signings,
Speaker 1: so there's a lot of room for there. They're letting
Speaker 1: teams announce the signings. They're not letting teams announce agreed
Speaker 1: to terms. Ah, yeah, you're well, yeah, if you do
Speaker 1: actually get physical and sign right, you can announce it.
Speaker 1: But because of COVID nineteen, a lot of guys aren't
Speaker 1: getting their physicals therefore are not signing. So it's a
Speaker 1: strange week. And I do understand that, yeah, they agreed
Speaker 1: to terms with this guy or this guy, and then
Speaker 1: all of a sudden you're like, well, I guess we
Speaker 1: can't call him, and when in reality it's really not
Speaker 1: done yet. But one of those guys will just skip
Speaker 1: it around here. One of those guys that that it's
Speaker 1: it's kind of interesting on what will happen with with
Speaker 1: him is Gerald McCoy, defensive tackle. Six time Pro Bowler,
Speaker 1: played for mostly for the Bucks, also with Carolina last year.
Speaker 1: And you know, he's a guy that I think penning
Speaker 1: a physical that that's a guy that the Cowboys will
Speaker 1: sign if they, you know, can get him in here.
Speaker 1: Do we like to move there? MALIEK. Collins younger moves
Speaker 1: on McCoy, more established, older guy, but a different type
Speaker 1: of player, different fit now will he'd be playing inside
Speaker 1: or outside because he played a lot of um outside
Speaker 1: rushing off the edge for Carolina last year. I would
Speaker 1: have imagine, and he did, but I would imagine he
Speaker 1: will primarily be their three technique with some versatility to
Speaker 1: move outside. That's what I that's that's the position that
Speaker 1: I thought he was playing. I really didn't know he
Speaker 1: played some of them. He did, like they moved him
Speaker 1: out a little bit Beacon, but I would he's their
Speaker 1: three technique. I'm with this general McCoy. I'm like David,
Speaker 1: I'm okay with the signing, but this can't be all
Speaker 1: that they do. I think I think this one is
Speaker 1: a couple of years late for me, um because I've
Speaker 1: been one of him a couple of years ago. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and he's finally gotten here, he said. He seems to
Speaker 1: be extat. It's crazy. He has a son that's going
Speaker 1: to Oklahoma next year, step son. I mean, it's not
Speaker 1: as crazy as it could be. Okay, but I was
Speaker 1: like when I saw that, was like, wait, he has
Speaker 1: a son going to Oklahoma. But I'm okay with this.
Speaker 1: I think this is a piece that will that will
Speaker 1: help on the inside. Yeah, I don't know what the
Speaker 1: deal is with Tyrone Crawford. Is he gonna, you know,
Speaker 1: forgotten man? I think he's back. I do now. They
Speaker 1: might have to restructure his deal a little bit, supposed
Speaker 1: to make eight million I think next year. But I
Speaker 1: do think he's back now. The question with him, which
Speaker 1: has been the question forever, is what position does he play?
Speaker 1: Does he play in? Does he play inside? I mean,
Speaker 1: how are they going to use him? But from what
Speaker 1: I have been told about what the what they wanted tackle,
Speaker 1: it's not Rod Marinelli's defensive tackles anymore. Obviously. They want
Speaker 1: bigger guys that more clog up the middle and not
Speaker 1: as much of you know, moving the pocket up rushmen
Speaker 1: that get up the field. Not that McCoy can't do that,
Speaker 1: but I do think you'll see some kind of big
Speaker 1: defensive tackle and that's not Crawford so and I think
Speaker 1: that's important because what we have at linebacker, you know,
Speaker 1: bringing back Sean Lee. We pray that that Laton's neck
Speaker 1: kind of comes together. Those necks are always tricky, and
Speaker 1: then we pray that we get a resurgence from Jaylen Smith.
Speaker 1: Those guys are better when they don't have to deal
Speaker 1: with fat guys. So you get fat guys to clog
Speaker 1: up the other fat guys and let those other guys
Speaker 1: be athletes, Sean Lee is going to be able to
Speaker 1: diagnose whatever the play is. I am confident of the
Speaker 1: knowledge of Sean Lee. Now his body may not react
Speaker 1: the way you want it or as fast react as
Speaker 1: you used to, he'll be able to know where the
Speaker 1: play is going. Layton, if he can be healthy, has
Speaker 1: the capability of of running down anywhere sideline of sutheline.
Speaker 1: And we all know what Jayleen can be athletically. But
Speaker 1: when they have to deal with fat guys, when they
Speaker 1: have to deal with other three hundred pound guys that
Speaker 1: they have to shed and get off, that is where
Speaker 1: they begin to struggle through the course of a game.
Speaker 1: So if you got some bigger guys in front of
Speaker 1: them that allow them to just be free flowing, tackling machines,
Speaker 1: now you've created something for those guys to go and
Speaker 1: be athletes, to go out there and just do what
Speaker 1: they normally do instead of having to deal with shedding
Speaker 1: guys because they just can't. Like they're they're they're not
Speaker 1: your traditional linebackers. They're more of your run fast linebackers.
Speaker 1: So we have to deal with those fat dudes through
Speaker 1: the course of the game. That wears them down. What
Speaker 1: is your defensive tackle position looking like right now? That's
Speaker 1: so I really like the McCoy's signing. It's funny to me,
Speaker 1: you know. And and obviously you know Rod Marinelli's not here.
Speaker 1: Maybe that's part of it. They didn't want him. He
Speaker 1: got one year for ten million last year with Carolina.
Speaker 1: They weren't interested there. He signs here for a reported
Speaker 1: he agrees here or whatever, we'll see. It's it's a
Speaker 1: weird week. But the deal that is supposedly in place
Speaker 1: is three for twenty with bonuses, it comes out to
Speaker 1: like six a year. So it's I mean, it's always
Speaker 1: going to be about cost with these guys. It seems
Speaker 1: like um, but I think he's still got gas in
Speaker 1: the tank. He played well in Carolina. The thing again,
Speaker 1: like Jesse said, it can't be all they're gonna do.
Speaker 1: I mean, mathematically, it can't be all they're gonna do
Speaker 1: because they literally have Gerald McCoy and Tristan Hill. And
Speaker 1: that's I was sitting here yesterday. I'm like, these nose
Speaker 1: tackles are dwindling because Lynvall, Joseph is gone, a Sean
Speaker 1: Robinson is gone. I think there's a couple other guys
Speaker 1: that have gotten snatched off the market too, to where
Speaker 1: I'm like, I would love for you to invest in
Speaker 1: both of these positions, and I'm I'm curious to see
Speaker 1: what that entails next. Has is still out there, still
Speaker 1: available steps if you want to, if you want to
Speaker 1: see me do some fist pumpings, make that happen. All right,
Speaker 1: we're working backwards here when this is These are the
Speaker 1: moves that have happened recently, not the biggest moves they've done.
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Speaker 1: reality TV show from Jesse Holly. Of course he won
Speaker 1: fourth and long? What blow was that? Long time ago? Yeah,
Speaker 1: two thousand and ten. Rossom though nine nine years now,
Speaker 1: two thousand and nine got you into the Cowboys on
Speaker 1: two thousand and ten. I still my favorite story. It's
Speaker 1: not everyone will say the forty nine ers running seventy
Speaker 1: seven yards. My favorite one is the Vikings game. And
Speaker 1: I know they played it on here or the last
Speaker 1: week about but the best part about that whole thing
Speaker 1: was that it was a punt that just landed right
Speaker 1: to you. You turn and scored, But that got you
Speaker 1: onto the practice squad that year. And that play was
Speaker 1: fourth and long. It was, and they punted and it
Speaker 1: went right to you, and you said, I'll just take
Speaker 1: this to the house. Go do it. Man. We need
Speaker 1: we needed to make a play. We were losing that game,
Speaker 1: and I see that was the fourth preseason game, and
Speaker 1: in your mind, we needed to make a play. And
Speaker 1: most of the other player's mind is I'm running out
Speaker 1: of sunflower seeds. You know, like this this game, you know,
Speaker 1: get my pads off, right, But not for everyone. And
Speaker 1: we have seen fourth preseason game can matter to a
Speaker 1: certain That's what I don't want them to eliminate preseason, Like,
Speaker 1: don't treat preseason like it's nothing, because it means something
Speaker 1: to do. Yeah, it doesn't mean anything to Dak and
Speaker 1: to Zeke and tomorrow, but guys like me, it means something.
Speaker 1: So every opportunity that we get because you don't get
Speaker 1: him in practice. Yeah, you guys know that you had
Speaker 1: training camp. Like if you're in training camp and you
Speaker 1: get two reps, you've had a good day. You know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. The starters get all the reps. Guess what,
Speaker 1: I know. The Cowboys get five preseason games this year,
Speaker 1: we hope. Come on now, I'm just signing talking Cowboys.
Speaker 1: Let's not do that here, all right, All right, let's
Speaker 1: go to what they did earlier in the week. Um start,
Speaker 1: let's go with a Mark Cooper. I mean five years,
Speaker 1: one hundred million dollars. That's the that's the deal that
Speaker 1: is signed. That deal is signed, by the way, what
Speaker 1: do you think about that? Do you think the Redskins
Speaker 1: came in the last minute and kind of pushed up
Speaker 1: the price somewhat? I feel like the price was probably
Speaker 1: always there, right, that's yeah, twenty and I don't know
Speaker 1: that's the way these things type of work, kind of work.
Speaker 1: I mean, Julio is at twenty two. I mean, you know,
Speaker 1: Mari doesn't have as great of a case for that,
Speaker 1: so he doesn't set the market. But how long ago
Speaker 1: did O'Dell sign his eighteen million dollars deal? Two years?
Speaker 1: Two years ago? So I mean that that's just so
Speaker 1: I don't know that I necessarily buy that the Redskins
Speaker 1: like drove the price up. I think that was probably
Speaker 1: always the price, just when you account for the ever
Speaker 1: expanding market, you know, when you when you make that
Speaker 1: trade the way they did. And I just remember thinking,
Speaker 1: if they lose a Maar Cooper, all the stuff that
Speaker 1: they said about Cooper being twenty four years old and
Speaker 1: all that like that means you have to sign him
Speaker 1: because you're drafting, you're using your first round pick for him,
Speaker 1: so he has to be here. So I thought it
Speaker 1: was going to be a huge fail if he wasn't.
Speaker 1: I still think that's a little high for what we
Speaker 1: saw last year. I don't think that he showed last
Speaker 1: year that he was the second best receiver in the NFL.
Speaker 1: I guess you could make the case Julio didn't say
Speaker 1: didn't show he was the first, but he has over
Speaker 1: the course of his career. But there's some concerns. I
Speaker 1: think with Amari Cooper, they're still there and you wonder
Speaker 1: how him getting twenty million a year. You wonder how
Speaker 1: if it all changes anything. I think a little bit
Speaker 1: of the concern And they know more because and I
Speaker 1: mean they, as Stephen and Jerry Jones, know more about
Speaker 1: was there a rocky relationship between Amari and Sanjay and
Speaker 1: Amari and Jason. You know that the talks about that
Speaker 1: last year and how that are played into whatever the
Speaker 1: performance was on the field and now that you have
Speaker 1: a fresh start. And I think with Mike mccarthury, he
Speaker 1: looks at it and and you go, we need a guy.
Speaker 1: If we're going to be successful at what we do offensively,
Speaker 1: we need a guy like this. We need we're going
Speaker 1: to be in three and four wide receiver sets, and
Speaker 1: it kills what we want to do schematically offensively if
Speaker 1: we don't have a dominant number one, you know, if
Speaker 1: we don't have a dominant number one that can set
Speaker 1: the tone of what we want to do offensively, then
Speaker 1: it kind of really kills what we can do everywhere
Speaker 1: else and how we can continue to grow Michael Gallup
Speaker 1: and how we can continue to grow Blake draw one
Speaker 1: and whoever they are other pieces they bring in to
Speaker 1: play in the slot, it kills all those other pieces
Speaker 1: if you don't have a guy outside that's going to
Speaker 1: command the defense's attention and the number one corner and
Speaker 1: the safety being you know, moving over to that side.
Speaker 1: So I think when you add all that into the play,
Speaker 1: and then if I'm an agent, I'm going back and
Speaker 1: I'm saying you saw what Dak was when you didn't
Speaker 1: have him, right, like, as much as you want to
Speaker 1: say what it was last year between the home and
Speaker 1: the waste splits about how those and the targets, maybe
Speaker 1: in the play of that but you have to say
Speaker 1: to yourself, I'm an agent, I'm going and I'm saying, Okay,
Speaker 1: mister Jones, you remember what life was like before he
Speaker 1: got here. And if you want to start all over
Speaker 1: again with the devil that you don't know but all means,
Speaker 1: don't pay us and we'll go somewhere else. But if
Speaker 1: you want to keep this thing here and deal with
Speaker 1: the devil that you do know and build with the
Speaker 1: new offense that you are going to half with Mike McCarthy,
Speaker 1: then here's our number. Five year deals make me uncomfortable
Speaker 1: just as a general rule, especially, I mean, you know,
Speaker 1: we all remember getting two point one years out of
Speaker 1: Dez's five year deal. Like you never know what's going
Speaker 1: to happen. A lot of these guys never see the
Speaker 1: end of them, So it makes me uncomfortable. But one
Speaker 1: thing I read, and you know, shout out to Todd Archer.
Speaker 1: He's the king of breaking down contracts. He you know,
Speaker 1: he laid this out in a really encouraging way for
Speaker 1: the Cowboys, which is that they have a get out
Speaker 1: clause after two years with this deal because the vast
Speaker 1: majority of the guarantees are in the first two years,
Speaker 1: so if you have to part way is in year
Speaker 1: three or year four, that's not going to kill you.
Speaker 1: And I feel perfectly fine with that. And for that matter,
Speaker 1: Amar's a young guy. I can imagine him finishing this
Speaker 1: deal like that's not crazy, just because he's twenty six
Speaker 1: right now. So that's fine. And the other thing is
Speaker 1: I understand the concerns, you know, with you know, the
Speaker 1: way the season ended. You know, people are put off
Speaker 1: by his demeanor. Sometimes I try to look at it
Speaker 1: the other way and say, this guy's steady eddie, Like
Speaker 1: if that's how Amari Cooper handled himself in a contract year,
Speaker 1: then I don't think getting this crazy payout is going
Speaker 1: to change too much about his demeanor. And I value
Speaker 1: that just you know, it's it's nice to know. I
Speaker 1: think you know exactly what you're gonna get at all
Speaker 1: times from Amari Cooper, which is not something you could
Speaker 1: ever say about Dez and I can see you. I mean,
Speaker 1: I get it because you know, he played two snaps
Speaker 1: against the Jets and he didn't go back in on
Speaker 1: fourth down against the Eagles. I just mean in terms
Speaker 1: of like his demeanor, like he's the same guy all
Speaker 1: the time, and that can be frustrating, but he is not.
Speaker 1: I don't think he's an unpredictable guy. I don't know
Speaker 1: that gives me some peace of mind. Well, I think
Speaker 1: last year was weird, you know, just because he there
Speaker 1: were games where he just didn't play well at all,
Speaker 1: and they were typically on the road. Yeah, I don't
Speaker 1: know if this if that's enough of a sample size
Speaker 1: to say he's only good at home and only good
Speaker 1: on the road. But I know last year, you know,
Speaker 1: maybe it's an indoors thing. You know, maybe it's you know,
Speaker 1: when weather's is tough and it's tough to pass and
Speaker 1: he you know, harder for him to get open. But
Speaker 1: you know, there were some games last year, I mean
Speaker 1: New Orleans was another one. He had a couple of
Speaker 1: really tough penalties that went against them, and those I
Speaker 1: think they were questionable offensive past interference calls, but either way,
Speaker 1: you know it affected that game. So you know, he
Speaker 1: had some moments where when he's on, they're really good,
Speaker 1: but when when he's not, you know, the team struggles.
Speaker 1: But that's probably the case for most number one receivers.
Speaker 1: I will take the full pack of what we've seen
Speaker 1: from him over twenty five games plus him as a
Speaker 1: person over trying to find that somewhere else. The crazy
Speaker 1: part about it, though, even when you talk about the
Speaker 1: home away splits like he was still a thousand yard receiver.
Speaker 1: Like that's a crazy part about it. He was still
Speaker 1: missing games, not finishing games, and whatever you want to
Speaker 1: say about whether it's injury was he was there all
Speaker 1: season long. It was still a thous yard receiver. And
Speaker 1: I think you know with him and you will you
Speaker 1: can attest to this more than anybody in this room,
Speaker 1: of course, is that when he was looking at other
Speaker 1: other things around the league, other situations, other potential you know, teams,
Speaker 1: he could go to. What better number two receiver is
Speaker 1: there that he could play next too? Because if Michael
Speaker 1: Gallup continues to play the way he is, it's gonna
Speaker 1: be hard for teams to just say, well we just
Speaker 1: got him one on one because he's winning those battles,
Speaker 1: so Cooper could. He's a smart guy, you know, he
Speaker 1: can see all right now, this guy is over here
Speaker 1: doing what he does. It's gonna be hard to get
Speaker 1: double you know, double team meet every play. I actually
Speaker 1: I pissed Keenan Allen off earlier this week because I
Speaker 1: was interested. I went and looked. I was like, you know,
Speaker 1: Cooper's back in the fold. The Cowboys have one of
Speaker 1: six pairs of thousand yard receivers in the league. There's
Speaker 1: only I thought there were only six teams that had him.
Speaker 1: Forgot about the charters. Keenan Allen and Mike Williams both
Speaker 1: had a thousand yards last year too, And Keenan found
Speaker 1: my tweet and what he took up. He took exception
Speaker 1: to it. But it's fine, Okay, there's still only seven
Speaker 1: teams in the league that have it, so you know,
Speaker 1: that's cool. Hold on, hold on, let's let's like dig
Speaker 1: into this a little bit. Now. He did somebody retweet it.
Speaker 1: I'm sure somebody probably snitch tagged me or something, you
Speaker 1: know how people like to do on Twitter, like, oh, Keenan,
Speaker 1: they're disrespecting you on t It was an honest mistake.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, Keenan Allen. I snitch tag Yeah, that's people
Speaker 1: do it all the time on Twitter page to me,
Speaker 1: I'll blocked you all the bag. Yeah, well, people have
Speaker 1: done that with me on this show, for with Dak
Speaker 1: they do it sometimes all the time. It's it's gross,
Speaker 1: but well, I mean I didn't do it on purpose.
Speaker 1: It was an honest mistake. But so it's it's the
Speaker 1: Chargers the Cowboys. I don't know why I'm trying to
Speaker 1: do this. I'm not gonna remember all Buffalo now because
Speaker 1: they have Stefon Diggs. Tampa Bay obviously is the big one.
Speaker 1: Oh Buffalo, like Buffalo has Diggs and John Brown, would
Speaker 1: Beasley get I don't know, but it was it was
Speaker 1: John Brown and now Stefon Diggs. I don't remember. It's
Speaker 1: a pretty good three, you know, that's a pretty good
Speaker 1: trio receivers. Oh yeah, and cowboys talking about trios, Cowboys
Speaker 1: obviously had one with Cobb. Now Randall Cobb's gone. But
Speaker 1: you know when when you look at one thing and Dave,
Speaker 1: you and I have talked on the phone more this
Speaker 1: week than we have ever probably, yes, and you despise
Speaker 1: talking on the phone. So it's been we gotta do
Speaker 1: what you gotta do. You gotta adapt on the fly,
Speaker 1: and yeah, these times, but you know we we talked
Speaker 1: about this before. Yes, when if you were just just
Speaker 1: say before the whole thing, like they're gonna lose Quinn,
Speaker 1: They're gonna lose cop, They're gonna lose Colins, They're gonna
Speaker 1: lose Heath. You know who else have they lost? Ar Witten?
Speaker 1: You know, you know you look at all those but
Speaker 1: you're like, all right, which deal would you have done?
Speaker 1: You wouldn't have you wouldn't have done three years twenty
Speaker 1: seven for Cobb. I meant, I meant to bring that
Speaker 1: up with Gerald McCoy too, is I haven't seen the
Speaker 1: terms on MALIEK. Collins and I want to before I
Speaker 1: like make a judgment on that. I wonder how much
Speaker 1: he got. But yeah, no, I said this yesterday on
Speaker 1: the Draft Show. I really thought they were going to
Speaker 1: make a run at Cobb All the writing was on
Speaker 1: the wall that they'd love to have him back. I
Speaker 1: would have been fine with that, And then I saw
Speaker 1: what Bill O'Brien gave him, and I was like, no,
Speaker 1: we're good. No disrespect to Randall Cobb at all, but
Speaker 1: twenty seven million, with twenty of it guaranteed for a turning.
Speaker 1: I believe thirty year old receiver who like he was,
Speaker 1: he was good last year and some drops couldn't quite
Speaker 1: get on the same page with that at all times,
Speaker 1: had hamstring problems coming into his prove it year with
Speaker 1: the Cowboys. I just I like, I think very highly
Speaker 1: of Randall Coble, but that deal really surprised me. And
Speaker 1: let me just do a quick PSA and there, there's
Speaker 1: just so happened. There's any NFL player that listened to
Speaker 1: this show, or guys aspiring to be NFL players, or
Speaker 1: parents of players who want to be NFL players. Be
Speaker 1: nice to your position and offensive defensive coordinators. Look around
Speaker 1: the league, guys that are getting signed big money, Malique.
Speaker 1: All these guys they're going to play for former coaches,
Speaker 1: guys who guys who are going Guys who are one
Speaker 1: place and coaches get fired or move or make changes.
Speaker 1: They always want to bring a guy or two with
Speaker 1: them that knows their system that can be their voice
Speaker 1: in the locker room. But if you are nasty and
Speaker 1: evil to those people, they're not going to look you
Speaker 1: up when they go other places. So just look around
Speaker 1: the league. See all these guys are getting signed, and
Speaker 1: go why why does he get signed there? Oh he
Speaker 1: was Tim over there last year. Oh oh this guy
Speaker 1: with that coach. It happens all across the league. So understand,
Speaker 1: because so smart. What you're saying is is um Mike
Speaker 1: McCarthy and Randall Cobb maybe didn't get along so well.
Speaker 1: I think the deal was just too good to dad,
Speaker 1: I think I love you, but no, you're talking about
Speaker 1: give me another five million dollars. They're about to give
Speaker 1: me twenty guarantee. I gotta go. I can't no state
Speaker 1: income taxes. I have to imagine that Randall Cobb was
Speaker 1: pretty surprised. Yeah, maybe he wasn't. I mean, players believe
Speaker 1: in themselves. Players always believe in themselves. But from one
Speaker 1: year five to three years thirty is it's an amazing turner.
Speaker 1: And you know, like he call him was like he said,
Speaker 1: wait what God bless Bill O'Brien. I don't know what
Speaker 1: he's doing. Sign it. Let's go, like seriously, like I
Speaker 1: will drive to Houston. I don't need a plane. More
Speaker 1: power to you man. Which obviously, yeah, Cowboys need a
Speaker 1: slot receiver. But that's a situation for him to be
Speaker 1: in because not only is he getting a lot of money,
Speaker 1: but he's now I'm not saying he's the guy replacing
Speaker 1: DeAndre Hopkins, but you know, somebody's got to catch the
Speaker 1: ball over there. And you know, couldn't you imagine I mean,
Speaker 1: the Cowboys getting rid of. I mean, Zeke is the
Speaker 1: closest thing they have to saying the best player at
Speaker 1: his position maybe Zach Martin, Zack Martin, tyring Zeke. If
Speaker 1: you lost one of those guys and then replaced them
Speaker 1: with just a you know, I mean, Des wasn't Das
Speaker 1: when the Cowboys cut him, but they tried to replace
Speaker 1: their best receiver with Alan Horns and a bunch of guys.
Speaker 1: Remember remember the guy that they brought into that he
Speaker 1: looks he looked like he was forty five years old. Thompson.
Speaker 1: Good run. But I mean I remember when he signed
Speaker 1: his thing. He signed the contract, we put it out
Speaker 1: there and everybody was like, Who's who's this guy? Is
Speaker 1: his Dad's one of the more blatantly failed experiments in
Speaker 1: recent Cowboys. What happened is no Brown? What is No
Speaker 1: Brown doing? He's still kicking her still, He's still he
Speaker 1: spent the year on I R and he's been around
Speaker 1: the facility. He's still here? Is he? What is that
Speaker 1: project is that? I don't know? Like that was a
Speaker 1: you know, that was one of those pet cats from
Speaker 1: I was. I've I've been riding the Noah Brown train,
Speaker 1: but like with a new coaching staff. I think that's
Speaker 1: a come to training camp and see what you can
Speaker 1: do type of situation. Will he ever be with the
Speaker 1: Giants if he's released by the Cowboys, you can't rule
Speaker 1: it out. All right, Um, this is probably a record.
Speaker 1: We're gonna go another breakcare but forty minutes plus. We
Speaker 1: really haven't talked about that franchise guy yet. But will
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Speaker 1: September twenty nineteen. Back to the Break. All right, welcome
Speaker 1: back here to the final segment of the show. And
Speaker 1: I got Jesse Holly, David Hellman. I'm Nick Keepman here.
Speaker 1: This is the first time we've worked together. It's just
Speaker 1: pretty good, your little tar Heel. So you were talked
Speaker 1: a little bit about that. You said basketball, you played basketball,
Speaker 1: but obviously football too. How many basketball games did you
Speaker 1: play in though? I mean, would you played like a
Speaker 1: whole season? Yeah, I was like the seventh guy off
Speaker 1: the bench. He was on a natty team national championship. Yeah,
Speaker 1: a SEC regular season champions and Mary champions. Marvin Williams
Speaker 1: played pretty well the number twenty four. But we don't
Speaker 1: get to the a SEC championship game. Not to make
Speaker 1: light of a worldwide catastrophe, but kind of bailed the
Speaker 1: tar Heels out of having their worst season ever too. Man,
Speaker 1: can't be enough that they don't have, right, Yeah, there
Speaker 1: you go. We'll say they weren't gonna win the tournament
Speaker 1: and go and go in there we had already lost,
Speaker 1: well we had lost in Syracuse and a SEC champion. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they were were to tournament. They weren't going, but like,
Speaker 1: just nobody's thinking about it now now. So dude tweeted
Speaker 1: out like they were withdrawing their team from THENCE to
Speaker 1: day be town him and I tweet I was like,
Speaker 1: I think UNC should do the same thing. So, yeah,
Speaker 1: we've took one on the chin this year. It's okay.
Speaker 1: Once every twenty five years is fine. You're still You're
Speaker 1: still on the National Championship high. Well might it might
Speaker 1: be the only sport that happens in twenty twenty. I'm
Speaker 1: on the National Championship high Arkansas won it twenty six
Speaker 1: years ago. I still I watched the highlights on that
Speaker 1: all the time. It's awesome, all right, dak he I mean,
Speaker 1: franchise tag. Everyone knew this would happen. But do you
Speaker 1: think that that it's hurt this team when you look
Speaker 1: at free agency to like that it got to this
Speaker 1: point that thirty three million dollars they still have to
Speaker 1: sign them if they could have gotten this still done,
Speaker 1: do we see some of these other players maybe that
Speaker 1: have left that are still here. Do we believe that
Speaker 1: having Dak under contract would change their philosophy because like,
Speaker 1: even with Dak on the tag, it's and that I'm
Speaker 1: not here to tell you Byron Jones isn't good. That's
Speaker 1: a separate conversation. But like the Cowboys didn't value him
Speaker 1: at sixteen and a half million dollars. If they did,
Speaker 1: they could have gotten that deal done. That's the thing,
Speaker 1: is like, even with Dak on the tag, they have
Speaker 1: this money anyway. Yeah, And the same thing. I think,
Speaker 1: you know, they probably liked Robert Quinn at like nine
Speaker 1: to twelve million. I don't know whatever the number is,
Speaker 1: but I think the Bears blew that out of the water.
Speaker 1: So like, I don't think these guys would be here
Speaker 1: even if Dak was under contract. I do think it's
Speaker 1: pretty silly that we still don't have a resolution of
Speaker 1: this whole thing when we've known it was heading this
Speaker 1: way since January of last year. Yeah. But do I
Speaker 1: think it would significantly alter their strategy about free agency?
Speaker 1: Not really, No, I don't think so. I'm with you.
Speaker 1: I don't think so either. But looking forward, whenever, the
Speaker 1: idea of football getting back to normal business with OTAs
Speaker 1: and all that kind of stuff. I think this may
Speaker 1: ultimately hurt this team because who's to say that Dak's
Speaker 1: going to show up to be a part of these activities.
Speaker 1: And I know that the offense is still kind of
Speaker 1: the same with Kellen Moore. Maybe the language of it changes,
Speaker 1: but there's still a level of continue that needs to
Speaker 1: be had during the off season. Right now, guys aren't
Speaker 1: working out together. Guys aren't here working out. There aren't
Speaker 1: probably anywhere working out. So you have a guy who
Speaker 1: may miss an extended period of time with a new
Speaker 1: coach coming in trying to get all the systems in
Speaker 1: the language and the verbiage and his thought philosophy on
Speaker 1: how we're going to do things where the ball is
Speaker 1: going to go, all that kind of stuff, and he's
Speaker 1: not being here. Those things to me matter more than
Speaker 1: what it would have been as far as if he
Speaker 1: was signing. What we've done in free agency, maybe you
Speaker 1: spend more out you know, just human nature. When you
Speaker 1: got a little bit more extra money in your pocket.
Speaker 1: You know, when you get that bonus, you know things
Speaker 1: that you might have gotten before. You see, like you
Speaker 1: know what, you know, I'll pay the extra twenty dollars
Speaker 1: for that shirt because I got a bonus. It's Friday,
Speaker 1: feel good, you know, so, But I think future wise,
Speaker 1: this may hurt this football team, and it puts it
Speaker 1: puts Mike McCarthy kind of almost behind the a ball
Speaker 1: trying to get his offense installed. It isn't that kind
Speaker 1: of what the DAK and his agent are hoping for
Speaker 1: that they can kind of, hey, you know, kind of
Speaker 1: push the envelope a little bit and say, yeah, we
Speaker 1: know this is a strain, so pony up. I mean,
Speaker 1: this is what we're asking for. And if he does,
Speaker 1: that's why people will hold out in the first place.
Speaker 1: And if you just hold out, you know, if Tom
Speaker 1: Brady were to ever hold out in the seventeenth year
Speaker 1: of his career, it's like, all right, he knows the
Speaker 1: system back to the back of his hand. But if
Speaker 1: Dak does it this year, he knows that it's going
Speaker 1: to be a problem. So maybe that forces a cowboy's hand,
Speaker 1: which I know were I know the point of this
Speaker 1: is we're trying to escape the realities of the world.
Speaker 1: But I think this whole thing with the pandemic really
Speaker 1: throws an interesting wrench into this whole thing, because yeah,
Speaker 1: i'd be right there with you. I'm like team reports
Speaker 1: for the offseason on April six Dac needs to be here.
Speaker 1: You know, the salary cap is gonna balloon, and the
Speaker 1: Cowboys need to do what they need to do, like
Speaker 1: he needs to be here for the whole offseason if
Speaker 1: they expect to be successful offseason programs and definitely suspended
Speaker 1: right now, there's no you know, April sixth is not
Speaker 1: currently the report date, and we don't know when OTAs
Speaker 1: and mini camp are going to happen. I don't think
Speaker 1: anything meaningful has happened with training camp yet. But but
Speaker 1: doesn't that make it even more imperative. Well, I mean
Speaker 1: because if we don't know whenever they do give the go,
Speaker 1: that's a great point. Whatever they do is say, okay,
Speaker 1: go right. You know everyone's gonna be scrambling, Hey we're
Speaker 1: here the next couple of days. Let's get here, and
Speaker 1: that's gonna be like yeah, I honestly I'm not going
Speaker 1: to be That is an amazing point, and I my
Speaker 1: brain hadn't gotten that far yet. But you're right, it'll
Speaker 1: probably be a lot like the lockout from twenty eleven,
Speaker 1: where something, you know, something clicks and ten days later,
Speaker 1: let's go. But I'll tell you this, Even during that lockout,
Speaker 1: because I was a part of that lockout, the Cowboys,
Speaker 1: Tony Romo, Jason Whitt and guys like that, we worked
Speaker 1: out every day even though we couldn't be here. We
Speaker 1: worked out in South Lake almost three or four times
Speaker 1: a week. So while we couldn't be here doing stuff,
Speaker 1: we were still together. We were still putting in the work.
Speaker 1: Guys were still showing up, conditioning, getting stuff in. Defensive
Speaker 1: guys were there. DeMarcus Ware was there. All those guys
Speaker 1: were there putting in the work. Who was the coach
Speaker 1: of that of putting that stuff together? Yeah, on the field,
Speaker 1: organizing is what we're gonna do next, that kind of stuff,
Speaker 1: I would say offensively. It was a lot of John
Speaker 1: Kittna and Tony Romo at that time. Yeah. Yeah, Witton
Speaker 1: was out there too. He was out there. Well, yeah,
Speaker 1: Waitten was out there, wasn't he. Nick is applying something
Speaker 1: I'm not. I'm like, I'm all right, I'm really not.
Speaker 1: Remembers that your tone of voice made me think you
Speaker 1: were about to be a point, Like, yeah, I remember,
Speaker 1: it serves me correctly. They wouldn't apply anything. You know,
Speaker 1: we were we were all. Roy Williams was out there,
Speaker 1: Patrick Crayton was out there. Guys like that, Sam Hurt,
Speaker 1: like all the guys that were that were this significant guys. Well,
Speaker 1: this is a really good point. Is like it almost
Speaker 1: might be more important because you don't know when all
Speaker 1: of this stuff is going to click into place. And also,
Speaker 1: Brady James was running for the defense. If Dak was
Speaker 1: under contract, he would probably be doing something similar. You know,
Speaker 1: he takes his guys to Orlando every summer and he
Speaker 1: gets these guys together. I don't know if he's gonna
Speaker 1: be doing as much of that until he has a contract.
Speaker 1: We'll see. But but into your to what you were saying,
Speaker 1: you couple him are having a contract, and we're in
Speaker 1: this global pandemic with this, you know, social distancing and
Speaker 1: not being around one another. So guys might be saying
Speaker 1: because we don't know if some people may have you know,
Speaker 1: people who are in their family who have compromise immune system,
Speaker 1: who may have young children and they're like, listen, dude,
Speaker 1: I want to be there, but you know, my girl
Speaker 1: has no spleen, or my mom who lives with me
Speaker 1: doesn't have this whatever, or I have young newborn children.
Speaker 1: I really can't risk hanging out with you guys for
Speaker 1: a week at a time and then coming home and
Speaker 1: possibly because let's beyond as we're being totally honest, if
Speaker 1: they just let's just say, Dax says, come on, guys,
Speaker 1: we're going to Orlando. You think guys are going on
Speaker 1: the football field and then going to quarantine into their
Speaker 1: hotel rooms. No no, no, no, no, no no, no no,
Speaker 1: it's not gonna happen that way. They're gonna go out
Speaker 1: right whatever's open. They're gonna try to find some way
Speaker 1: to have some sort of fun, whether it's a beach
Speaker 1: or something. They're gonna and a cowboy. So you know
Speaker 1: that also means, hey, I make a phone call. I
Speaker 1: know the bar shut down, but the cowboys in town.
Speaker 1: Can we come in and have dinner? Can we? That's
Speaker 1: a realistic thing. It puts a really interesting wrench into
Speaker 1: like everything that happens in an offseason. I do, and
Speaker 1: I wonder, though, like how much of this is going
Speaker 1: to be about economics versus like principle, because that's the
Speaker 1: thing I keep going back to as well, is well,
Speaker 1: the new CBA that just got passed by thirty two
Speaker 1: votes or whatever it was. You know, everybody keeps telling
Speaker 1: me that the salary cap is about the skyrocket, like,
Speaker 1: you know, could go up by like forty percent in
Speaker 1: the next two years. It's hard to know for sure,
Speaker 1: but it's going it's you know, it's usually a ten
Speaker 1: percent in price. They're projecting way higher leaps. So if
Speaker 1: you got to throw DAK a little extra money, does
Speaker 1: it really matter? That might And that's another point to
Speaker 1: Amari Cooper, is like that deal will be a bargain
Speaker 1: in no time, right, And almost anything you could sign
Speaker 1: DAK too would probably be a bargain in no time
Speaker 1: espect like if the salary cap shoots up and Patrick
Speaker 1: Mahomes and Deshaun Watson come up for new contracts, which
Speaker 1: they already are, and those guys, you know we're talking
Speaker 1: about forty maybe those guys are signing for like forty five,
Speaker 1: especially Mahomes, and all of a sudden, it's like, well,
Speaker 1: I can't believe we paid DAK thirty eight million a year,
Speaker 1: but then eighteen months from now it looks silly. So
Speaker 1: that's something that I keep thinking about, is they can
Speaker 1: probably afford to do whatever they need to do. It's
Speaker 1: just are they willing to lose the negotias frustrating party, Dak.
Speaker 1: I'm saying, are we serious here? Like I've outplayed any
Speaker 1: expectation that you had for me. Remember four or five
Speaker 1: years ago, he was behind Kellen Moore. He had to
Speaker 1: have Tony go down and Kelly Moore break an ankle
Speaker 1: for him to get an opportunity to even get some
Speaker 1: reps in practice, and you got You haven't until this year.
Speaker 1: You just paid me two million dollars this year for
Speaker 1: one year, like you got a jew got a severe
Speaker 1: discount for the last four seasons. I don't even know
Speaker 1: why I'm even having to deal with a franchise tag
Speaker 1: and possibly not showing up because the discount that you
Speaker 1: are talking about, you got it for the last four
Speaker 1: years because you didn't think I was going to be
Speaker 1: what I actually turned out to be and saved your tails.
Speaker 1: I saved your tails because you had no plan. There
Speaker 1: was no plan in place after Tony Romo went down.
Speaker 1: There was no plan in place after Keller Moore went down.
Speaker 1: I actually came in and while I may not have
Speaker 1: given you the Super Bowl steps that you wanted, I
Speaker 1: kept this thing from really sinking and going way left
Speaker 1: and gave you something to sell to the people going forward. Well,
Speaker 1: what wonder is is what was on the table last
Speaker 1: year in the in the off season. What could he
Speaker 1: have signed for thirty one, thirty two? I feel like
Speaker 1: those numbers were out there. Yeah. What I wonder is,
Speaker 1: let's say there was a thirty two and he didn't
Speaker 1: take it now and he played for two, So theoretically
Speaker 1: he lost thirty theoretically. I know that they do the
Speaker 1: contracts a little differently, but you know, he was gonna
Speaker 1: make he could make thirty two and he made two.
Speaker 1: Is he gonna Is he gonna get that back? Is
Speaker 1: he gonna get that back? Thirty millions by this bigger deal?
Speaker 1: Are you gonna get that bad? I mean, think about it.
Speaker 1: What if he gets thirty seven, You've still got to
Speaker 1: get you know, a six year deal to get you know,
Speaker 1: five million more to make up the thirty. I just
Speaker 1: think I think he made a mistake by Yeah, but
Speaker 1: if you if you do thirty last year on the
Speaker 1: front end, and you pro rate that through the course
Speaker 1: of a contract, he's not having to make up that
Speaker 1: thirty because he would have been if he signed last
Speaker 1: year right for thirty and then two years from now,
Speaker 1: guys are getting forty and he's still only getting thirty something.
Speaker 1: He could theoretically be missing that on the back, he's
Speaker 1: missing the end. Get on this one right, will make
Speaker 1: up for whatever you I soon did. He missed that
Speaker 1: front part of it. You know, I know what you're saying,
Speaker 1: but I just feel like if you would have done,
Speaker 1: if you I'm always about starting the clock, and that's
Speaker 1: why I was with Zeke. Start the clock, get get
Speaker 1: be twenty twenty eight or twenty nine. When you're able
Speaker 1: to get another one. That's what I'm saying, start the clock,
Speaker 1: get a deal, get another one when all this is going,
Speaker 1: and I still think the difference. Let's say he's making
Speaker 1: thirty eight in five years, maybe he's not the starter,
Speaker 1: maybe he is, Maybe he only makes thirty or whatever.
Speaker 1: I don't think that's gonna be as much of a
Speaker 1: drop as it was from going from two to thirty.
Speaker 1: It's I don't know. I'm already getting myself tired here.
Speaker 1: I definitely I at least somewhat follow your line of logic.
Speaker 1: And again, I think a big part of this comes
Speaker 1: down to principle too, where it's a you know, maybe
Speaker 1: on das part, but also his representation, like it's a
Speaker 1: pride thing, like we want to set a deal that's
Speaker 1: gonna make us look badass. And the cowboys, to your point,
Speaker 1: are like, well, we'll pay you, We'll pay you thirty four.
Speaker 1: But like let's be real, like have you accomplished what
Speaker 1: thirty eight entails? And like I feel like that is
Speaker 1: the difference of opinion. Yeah, and I don't know who
Speaker 1: wins that argument, but the math on two to thirty two.
Speaker 1: Don't ask me to do math. But if if four
Speaker 1: is like two hundred percent, right, so we're talking like,
Speaker 1: I mean fifteen hundred percent from two to you know
Speaker 1: something like that. That what my point is is that
Speaker 1: if you would have taken that, then you start the
Speaker 1: clock when you get a new deal, whether you go
Speaker 1: up or down, it's not going to be fifteen hundred
Speaker 1: percent of a difference, right, That's all I'm saying. But
Speaker 1: it was it was in everybody's best interest to get
Speaker 1: this thing done the week after Carson Wentz signed his
Speaker 1: and it could have signed him two years ago for
Speaker 1: like twenty something. Well they could not too year because
Speaker 1: he wasn't eligible until half until January. But it's I mean,
Speaker 1: you know, I don't think any one party is purely
Speaker 1: to blame. I think it's always you know, some of
Speaker 1: it's on the team, some of it's on the player. Money, money, money,
Speaker 1: and we've got I just want him to sort it out.
Speaker 1: We've got two minutes left to talk about one of
Speaker 1: the first ones that they did, and this is a
Speaker 1: contract that you know, it's not what have you done,
Speaker 1: it's what do we think you're going to do? And
Speaker 1: that's Blake Jarwin. Uh wow, damn. Now, I actually so happy.
Speaker 1: I'm so happy. Why I'm so happy. I think I
Speaker 1: am a fan of Blake Jarwin. I think given the
Speaker 1: opportunity he's going to and I'm not saying they'll be
Speaker 1: the next Antonio Gates, but I think he has the
Speaker 1: ability to give this team a legit middle of the
Speaker 1: field seem threat. I do. I think I think he
Speaker 1: had that ability. And that's just what I'm seeing from
Speaker 1: a small sample size. I'm glad that they finally turn
Speaker 1: the page away from Jason Witten. Nothing against Jason Witten.
Speaker 1: He's a future Hall of Famer. I just got stopped
Speaker 1: trying to stop that that that that dog is dead.
Speaker 1: I mean I'm sorry. That's I'm sorry that that has
Speaker 1: been for a while and and we we we there's
Speaker 1: nothing to do with the charterned person of Jason Whitten.
Speaker 1: I love him as a man. I think he's a
Speaker 1: great due. But at some point time you had to
Speaker 1: turn the page and they kept like it was like,
Speaker 1: thank you. The phrasing caught me off guard. But I
Speaker 1: agree with your overall point, and I in a small
Speaker 1: sample size, I looked this up. When he signed thirty
Speaker 1: seven percent of the snaps, you know through I think
Speaker 1: he had three hundred and sixty yards plays down the seam.
Speaker 1: He made the only offensive play of the entire Saints
Speaker 1: game down the seam. We Week one against the Giants touchdown.
Speaker 1: Had a great yak play against the Giants in New Jersey,
Speaker 1: you know, caught it on like the thirty yard line
Speaker 1: and somehow managed to score as a tight end. That's
Speaker 1: pretty impressive. Yeah, I just his athletic. He want to
Speaker 1: see coops and you want to see uh Michael Gauss
Speaker 1: numbers go up. Yeah, start having a guy that can
Speaker 1: legitimately hold that safety down the middle, and then you
Speaker 1: can start pushing the ball down the field on the
Speaker 1: side and also maybe and not to say Blake Jarwin
Speaker 1: can't block. He can, but like, don't try to pretend
Speaker 1: that he's prime. Jason Whitten either, like get him off
Speaker 1: the line is a dead And that's that's one thing
Speaker 1: that that if you want to say, well can he block,
Speaker 1: can he do that like Jason Witten did? Got to
Speaker 1: remember this offense I think is going to be different
Speaker 1: with what the tight ends actually and Jason wouldn't suck
Speaker 1: the last two or three years blocking. Sorry, no he wasn't. No,
Speaker 1: I said prime. Right, I'm just saying yeah, and those
Speaker 1: those tight end blocking days, right, this is this is
Speaker 1: not what that offense is going to be. And if
Speaker 1: you look at what McCarthy's offenses were, those the fullback
Speaker 1: blocks a lot more. I don't know if Jama's OLDI
Speaker 1: Walt is the answer there. They did sign him, but
Speaker 1: I think if there are old school type fullbacks, maybe
Speaker 1: some in the draft, I don't know if there's any,
Speaker 1: Like the offenses don't really have that that much um,
Speaker 1: but I could see that kind of fit for the
Speaker 1: Cowboys as well, because to get the wham the nose
Speaker 1: type blocking at the line. I think you'll see that
Speaker 1: from the fullback, and your tight ends will be spread
Speaker 1: out a little bit more. So That's why it's that's
Speaker 1: why Jarwin would fit more in this office, and that's
Speaker 1: why Witten doesn't. Yeah, you know, I'm not Yeah, I'm
Speaker 1: not saying he's Travis Kelsey, but I'm I'm very optimistic
Speaker 1: about what Blake Jarwin can be. If he's getting seventy
Speaker 1: percent of the snaps, it can be a five six
Speaker 1: hundred yard four or five touchdown a year. Dude, still
Speaker 1: drafting one tight end? Uh? Not early? Like, I mean,
Speaker 1: I don't love this tight end class anyway, but if
Speaker 1: there was a guy there round, I wouldn't even want
Speaker 1: to do round three day day three day three. Seven
Speaker 1: hundred yards for Jarwin, easy, easy, That's not easy. That's
Speaker 1: after like a thousand for Cooper. Over time, there's a
Speaker 1: lot of yards to go around. I mean for Cooper.
Speaker 1: You gotta remember, yeah, Dak is getting I mean I
Speaker 1: took the step last year he had how many yards
Speaker 1: he had He was ninety yards from being a four
Speaker 1: thousand yard passer. Correct, five thousand yard pass Yeah? All right.
Speaker 1: You gotta remember though that. Now, take every snap that
Speaker 1: Jason went and played in, every catch that he had
Speaker 1: that was a five yard catch and it was a
Speaker 1: five yard game. And now take those same catches and
Speaker 1: equate him to Blake jar and it is at least
Speaker 1: a five yard catch and a nine or ten or
Speaker 1: twelve yard game. I don't want to Dak throwing for
Speaker 1: five thousand yards. If he those for five thousand yards,
Speaker 1: you're gonna lose. That's that's the name of the game
Speaker 1: now now, but it's the name of the it's the
Speaker 1: name of a of a if an average to bad team.
Speaker 1: Jameis Winston had more than that, and he didn't have
Speaker 1: a job right now, Like I think that if you're
Speaker 1: throwing the ball all the game, all the time, that
Speaker 1: means you're not winning. I mean, Drakeman never had those
Speaker 1: because Emmett had those yards, so I don't. I mean, yeah,
Speaker 1: but that was also a personnel of twenty one, and well,
Speaker 1: I get if they're you know, if they're not. If
Speaker 1: if Dak can actually have the lead and you know,
Speaker 1: and they could run the ball a little bit more.
Speaker 1: I don't think he needs to throw for five thousand yards.
Speaker 1: I think forty two three and that's cool, but let's
Speaker 1: less could be more in that sense, I still I
Speaker 1: still take how many tuchses to wait and have to hear?
Speaker 1: Sixty sounds about right, So I take those sixty and
Speaker 1: I want to multiply whatever the number was by a percentage.
Speaker 1: I just think, I just think the yak with Blake
Speaker 1: John like his ability to separate and to actually catch
Speaker 1: it and run it after he gets I'm just saying
Speaker 1: it's gonna be hard with Ceedee Lamb in the slot
Speaker 1: in addition to call up and who sing it with
Speaker 1: Roles going to death? Isn't it? Oh? Stop? All right?
Speaker 1: We could end on that. All right. It's been fun.
Speaker 1: It's been a fun hour and some change there. We'll
Speaker 1: see you guys next Wednesday, and I think we'll be
Speaker 1: back in order here and with our full crew, and
Speaker 1: Derek and Ambers should be back with us. But for this,
Speaker 1: want you want me back next week? Well, I think
Speaker 1: you're gonna be back. You're gonna be hanging. Come back
Speaker 1: whenever you want hanging with your boys over there, all right?
Speaker 1: For Jesse, Holly, David Helman, I'm nicky man. Thanks to
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