WEBVTT - Checking In With Chance The Rapper 0:00:01.280 --> 0:00:01.880 The volume. 0:00:07.960 --> 0:00:11.719 All right, Roy, we are back, joined again by a 0:00:11.760 --> 0:00:15.120 familiar face, friend of ours, friend of the studio, friend 0:00:15.120 --> 0:00:18.079 of the show, not the studio. Uh, it's been a 0:00:18.079 --> 0:00:20.640 while since we spoke to this gentleman. He has an 0:00:20.640 --> 0:00:23.360 album coming out this Friday. Yes, and this the first 0:00:23.400 --> 0:00:26.639 time in some years that he's putting something out. I 0:00:26.640 --> 0:00:28.159 think people are going to be happy to receive it. 0:00:28.240 --> 0:00:31.800 I listened to it the last two days. Music sounds incredible, 0:00:31.880 --> 0:00:35.840 music sounds great. Today we are joined by singer songwriter 0:00:36.520 --> 0:00:39.199 rapper and when he's not doing any of those things, 0:00:39.280 --> 0:00:44.000 he's saving lives on highways. Today we are joined by 0:00:44.440 --> 0:00:47.880 the legendary Chicago's own Chance to Rap. 0:00:48.080 --> 0:00:48.600 Thank you man. 0:00:49.159 --> 0:00:51.360 That was one of those things like I felt like 0:00:51.520 --> 0:00:53.360 was in the simulation when you guys reminded me like 0:00:53.400 --> 0:00:54.880 remember when Chance saved somebody's lives. 0:00:54.920 --> 0:01:01.320 I was like I forgot, I got us like like 0:01:01.400 --> 0:01:03.520 I'll just be catching people. I got all types of 0:01:03.600 --> 0:01:05.560 random stories of me saving people. I'm that lady in 0:01:05.640 --> 0:01:08.319 the elevator. We just was at some ship. Bro, We 0:01:08.360 --> 0:01:10.560 was just at some ship who was at a haunted hotel. 0:01:11.000 --> 0:01:13.600 So we went to this haunted hotel. This lady was 0:01:13.640 --> 0:01:18.120 helping us, like taking us to and it's like a 0:01:18.160 --> 0:01:21.959 real hotel. It's called the What is that called throw 0:01:22.040 --> 0:01:24.040 my Mom? You ever heard that shot throw mom in 0:01:24.160 --> 0:01:26.360 l a right that the one with the girl died, 0:01:26.360 --> 0:01:27.039 and I think. 0:01:26.920 --> 0:01:29.160 Hell of people died at this ship. I'm sorry. If 0:01:29.160 --> 0:01:30.560 this ends up being bad, we can take it out. 0:01:30.640 --> 0:01:32.839 But I think death is great. 0:01:32.880 --> 0:01:36.240 But basically, basically we was this lady was taking us 0:01:36.240 --> 0:01:39.920 downstairs to like I think, to leave, and we and 0:01:39.959 --> 0:01:41.760 when we was waiting in the room, she like knocked 0:01:41.760 --> 0:01:42.160 on the door. 0:01:42.200 --> 0:01:44.040 So I'm like, I heard somebody knock. Let's go check. 0:01:44.240 --> 0:01:46.280 When I opened the door, the lady is literally getting 0:01:46.280 --> 0:01:48.600 crushed by elevator. That's one of them old elevators too, 0:01:48.720 --> 0:01:50.840 Like not like a censor. It ain't no censer on 0:01:50.840 --> 0:01:54.000 this joint. It's just it's like it was. It was 0:01:54.360 --> 0:01:57.640 crushing her in the door, and I had to use 0:01:57.680 --> 0:01:59.920 my Spider Man strength to pull that ship off of her. 0:02:00.040 --> 0:02:03.360 But merch, I saved somebody's life this year, like less 0:02:03.360 --> 0:02:05.520 than three months ago from what you was talking About's 0:02:05.520 --> 0:02:05.680 one of. 0:02:05.640 --> 0:02:07.040 Those things in the plot in the movie, he goes 0:02:07.080 --> 0:02:09.239 to lobbying and that that elevator hasn't worked. 0:02:10.639 --> 0:02:15.240 Like literally, that's what I felt like Lady felt she 0:02:15.320 --> 0:02:16.560 died like thirty years. 0:02:18.040 --> 0:02:20.320 But she hasn't been a lot of those large marks 0:02:20.360 --> 0:02:21.280 since your moments. 0:02:22.560 --> 0:02:26.760 Did. But it's good to see you, man, last six years, 0:02:27.160 --> 0:02:27.840 where have you been? 0:02:28.000 --> 0:02:30.040 It's so much we like, so much has happened in 0:02:30.160 --> 0:02:30.720 the last year. 0:02:30.720 --> 0:02:33.240 Hasn't as a as a person, as an artist, I'm 0:02:33.240 --> 0:02:36.000 sure things are a lot different. But how you feeling 0:02:36.040 --> 0:02:38.080 the album is done? It's completely I know for artists 0:02:38.120 --> 0:02:40.120 that's like a journey in itself, it feels. But it's 0:02:40.160 --> 0:02:42.000 been a while for you, six years, but you you've 0:02:42.040 --> 0:02:45.560 worked on music, You've written music in the meantime, I've. 0:02:45.400 --> 0:02:46.720 Been releasing with my fans. 0:02:46.720 --> 0:02:50.000 Like, so, six years is a long time, and every 0:02:50.040 --> 0:02:52.520 time I hear that, it sounds so crazy to me, 0:02:52.560 --> 0:02:55.359 but like so much of that time, it's. 0:02:55.240 --> 0:02:56.360 A long time, But it's really not. 0:02:56.520 --> 0:03:00.359 It's not like he's telling me, like, man, the last 0:03:00.360 --> 0:03:02.240 time you dropped, I was in grade school. 0:03:02.720 --> 0:03:07.399 I'm a grandfather, like it was, Like, so, it does 0:03:07.440 --> 0:03:09.960 feel like a long time, especially in. 0:03:09.919 --> 0:03:11.639 That now that I'm getting closer to the release, I'm 0:03:11.639 --> 0:03:13.880 getting back to like that feeling of like you know, 0:03:13.919 --> 0:03:15.680 people just coming up to me in the street being like, Yo, 0:03:15.760 --> 0:03:17.960 I'm excited for your project and that shit, that's a 0:03:18.000 --> 0:03:21.080 great feeling. So I feel like but I feel like 0:03:21.080 --> 0:03:24.640 in this time from you know, all the little like 0:03:25.280 --> 0:03:28.600 Lucy releases that I put out, all the art collaborations, 0:03:28.639 --> 0:03:30.960 we were in museums, We put on a festival in 0:03:30.960 --> 0:03:34.560 Ghana for fifty two thousand people. We did a lot 0:03:34.639 --> 0:03:37.360 of things that were all still in line with this 0:03:37.400 --> 0:03:39.280 album and what the album talks about. With the album's 0:03:39.280 --> 0:03:42.600 promoting and so like it feels like we were in 0:03:42.680 --> 0:03:45.800 like a hyperbolic time chain, but like training at hardest 0:03:45.800 --> 0:03:50.400 fuck and doing little side missions. But then like now 0:03:50.440 --> 0:03:52.160 the pop out, Like when now people will see it 0:03:52.200 --> 0:03:54.320 and it's like damn, he just damn near came off 0:03:54.360 --> 0:03:57.480 a mountain, Like he just like he just came back. 0:03:57.520 --> 0:03:59.480 And with this, I feel like the right end. Y'all 0:03:59.640 --> 0:04:02.640 heard a lot of the subjects, but even the I 0:04:02.640 --> 0:04:04.600 think it takes a few listens to hear, but like 0:04:04.720 --> 0:04:06.760 a lot of the literary references, a lot of the 0:04:06.880 --> 0:04:12.520 like you know, poetic references, like especially for I think 0:04:12.520 --> 0:04:14.680 some of my fans that are like in the literature 0:04:14.840 --> 0:04:17.200 in the writing or in the poetry, Like you'll see 0:04:17.200 --> 0:04:19.840 that I'm pulling from a lot of areas that I 0:04:19.839 --> 0:04:23.960 wasn't pulling from in my earlier works. So I feel 0:04:23.960 --> 0:04:27.080 like the six years has been me like doing push 0:04:27.120 --> 0:04:28.160 ups for six years straight. 0:04:28.240 --> 0:04:30.159 I mean, I think it's by far the best rapping 0:04:30.200 --> 0:04:33.680 you've ever done. Yeah, I mean music is subjective, but 0:04:33.839 --> 0:04:36.040 as far as just rapping, definitely. 0:04:35.680 --> 0:04:38.240 The music incredible than rapping you've done. 0:04:38.520 --> 0:04:40.720 Was it six years? Was that a conscious decision or 0:04:40.720 --> 0:04:41.800 that's just how lifele No. 0:04:41.920 --> 0:04:44.679 I definitely wanted to be less than that for show. 0:04:45.200 --> 0:04:47.760 But I feel like what I was trying to do 0:04:47.880 --> 0:04:50.120 was I was trying to create moments. There was I 0:04:50.200 --> 0:04:52.360 feel like I look at it in like three sections. 0:04:52.360 --> 0:04:55.040 So there was the film Journey, which like and all 0:04:55.080 --> 0:04:57.560 of these like they like you know, permeate throughout the 0:04:57.560 --> 0:04:59.760 whole thing. But I was learning a lot about cameras 0:04:59.760 --> 0:05:03.440 and like getting to like figure out how I wanted 0:05:03.480 --> 0:05:06.039 to see myself in my music, because like music videos 0:05:06.120 --> 0:05:08.280 is like the best way to get to people. It 0:05:08.320 --> 0:05:12.159 don't got necessarily a huge financial return on investment, but 0:05:12.200 --> 0:05:14.200 in terms of like how people hear music for the 0:05:14.200 --> 0:05:16.000 first time, A lot of times it be on Instagram. 0:05:16.160 --> 0:05:16.760 You know what I'm saying. 0:05:16.800 --> 0:05:18.479 The other side to it is hearing it in the club. 0:05:18.560 --> 0:05:20.360 But like you're gonna see that shit on TikTok, youre 0:05:20.360 --> 0:05:22.080 gonna see it on Instagram. You'renna see a music video 0:05:22.160 --> 0:05:24.400 before you just hear it here, you know what I'm saying. 0:05:24.480 --> 0:05:26.880 So I focused a lot on like learning how to 0:05:26.960 --> 0:05:30.240 use a camera, how to you know, direct, how to edit, 0:05:30.279 --> 0:05:33.760 how to cinematography. Is like the big thing that I'm 0:05:33.760 --> 0:05:36.400 like really into now is like learning how to like people, 0:05:36.480 --> 0:05:38.960 learning how to like how to like frame it and composition. 0:05:39.040 --> 0:05:40.960 So I spent a long time doing that. That's when 0:05:41.000 --> 0:05:43.480 I started doing my first I guess you could call 0:05:43.560 --> 0:05:47.239 singles for starline was self directed videos for like singles 0:05:47.279 --> 0:05:50.920 and stuff. And then I feel like around like twenty 0:05:51.000 --> 0:05:53.960 twenty two, twenty twenty three, I started focusing a little 0:05:53.960 --> 0:05:56.799 bit more on like how do I like make big 0:05:56.839 --> 0:05:59.359 moments for these singles. So I started working with museums. 0:05:59.400 --> 0:06:03.000 I started working with painters and like, you know, people 0:06:03.000 --> 0:06:05.320 across different mediums to figure out how, like I just 0:06:05.360 --> 0:06:08.320 said that visual element, how do I make it so 0:06:08.360 --> 0:06:11.880 that people can feel this music beyond what I'm writing, 0:06:11.880 --> 0:06:14.400 because it's very dense versus like even what people like 0:06:14.440 --> 0:06:17.080 on their first listen. Like, you know, my family and 0:06:17.120 --> 0:06:19.039 my friends have lived with this music for a long time. 0:06:19.080 --> 0:06:21.120 Some of these songs have been around since twenty twenty 0:06:21.400 --> 0:06:24.560 or twenty twenty one. I mean, and they'll tell me 0:06:24.640 --> 0:06:27.200 five years later, like, bro, was you saying this on 0:06:27.279 --> 0:06:27.680 this song? 0:06:27.800 --> 0:06:30.839 I'm like, yeah, They're like, Bro, I feel you now. 0:06:31.200 --> 0:06:34.880 So I think it's like like it's very compacted. So 0:06:35.640 --> 0:06:39.360 it's like I started working with artists and like different 0:06:39.360 --> 0:06:41.560 people that just understand visuals a little bit better than 0:06:41.600 --> 0:06:44.400 me on how to like you know, have a more 0:06:44.480 --> 0:06:46.919 layer conversation on something I'm trying to talk about. And 0:06:46.920 --> 0:06:49.440 then I feel like just this final little last piece 0:06:49.480 --> 0:06:53.680 of it has been you know really just like I 0:06:53.680 --> 0:06:56.680 guess figuring out how to bring my fans in. 0:06:57.160 --> 0:06:59.000 So I started working with. 0:07:01.000 --> 0:07:04.360 What they call sensory experiences, so like doing you know, 0:07:04.600 --> 0:07:07.880 a V or audio visual experiences where I use like 0:07:07.920 --> 0:07:11.320 projectors and lighting and you know, I'll be having my 0:07:11.360 --> 0:07:14.000 wraps on the screen now, Like that's my my literal 0:07:14.320 --> 0:07:17.880 visual language, like putting people in a room literally with 0:07:17.880 --> 0:07:21.040 my words, with lights with a sound system that me 0:07:21.080 --> 0:07:24.560 and my friends designed, headphones on a beanbag, and like, 0:07:24.680 --> 0:07:28.400 just go through this music I'm working on and that's interesting. 0:07:28.560 --> 0:07:30.200 And it was like, I'm gonna send you all some 0:07:30.280 --> 0:07:32.160 video of the ship. It's actually crazy. I'm so good 0:07:32.160 --> 0:07:34.800 at it now that is like I'm literally Walt Disney 0:07:34.800 --> 0:07:36.280 like I could put some ship together. 0:07:36.400 --> 0:07:40.480 So yeah, I just realized everyone that I. 0:07:42.160 --> 0:07:45.720 Was not thinking jobs. 0:07:47.560 --> 0:07:49.320 I just that's so crazy. I promise you I was 0:07:49.360 --> 0:07:50.040 not thinking about folks. 0:07:53.160 --> 0:07:56.520 But you say, like some like building an experience for somebody, 0:07:56.560 --> 0:07:59.520 creating a world in a context around these things that 0:07:59.520 --> 0:08:01.040 I'm making up in my head and then I'm pulling 0:08:01.040 --> 0:08:01.680 from real life. 0:08:01.720 --> 0:08:04.600 But like Starlin, now that you've heard it, like I 0:08:04.600 --> 0:08:05.000 wish that. 0:08:05.280 --> 0:08:09.520 It's like it's like, once this project comes out, there's 0:08:09.560 --> 0:08:12.240 gonna be like probably around like fifteen hundred I think 0:08:12.360 --> 0:08:15.720 is probably around the amount of people that I showed 0:08:15.760 --> 0:08:18.960 this experience in the past two years. Like there's gonna 0:08:18.960 --> 0:08:20.760 be like fifteen hundred people that come out. That's like, 0:08:21.280 --> 0:08:23.400 y'all should have been the writings on the wall that 0:08:23.480 --> 0:08:24.000 was the name. 0:08:23.880 --> 0:08:24.920 Of the thing that I was doing. 0:08:24.960 --> 0:08:26.560 It was like it was like a little secret thing 0:08:26.640 --> 0:08:31.120 I did in New Orleans, DC, Chicago couple times, like LA, 0:08:31.280 --> 0:08:33.600 like a bunch of random cities, and I just I 0:08:33.640 --> 0:08:36.000 got this texting list and I text like, you know, 0:08:36.440 --> 0:08:38.520 it'll be like four thousand and five thousand fans in 0:08:38.520 --> 0:08:40.559 a city that signed up for this little thing, and 0:08:40.760 --> 0:08:42.640 tell them, you know what I'm saying, slide through, and 0:08:42.640 --> 0:08:45.000 then I put on this whole like real experience that 0:08:45.120 --> 0:08:49.040 nobody's experienced, like expecting with the new music, with everything 0:08:49.120 --> 0:08:52.559 at the end, it's like like the way that people 0:08:52.600 --> 0:08:54.960 feel about it. Obviously the music is good too, but 0:08:55.040 --> 0:08:57.920 this whole thing around it, it's like it's a three 0:08:58.000 --> 0:09:00.080 sixty experience. It's like fucking crazy. 0:09:00.480 --> 0:09:04.840 How did it differ with having like in real life, 0:09:04.920 --> 0:09:06.280 direct to consumer. 0:09:05.840 --> 0:09:06.959 Feedback on your music? 0:09:07.280 --> 0:09:10.559 That shit is like you really can't get anywhere else. 0:09:10.559 --> 0:09:12.360 I'd start looking down the camera because I know as 0:09:12.400 --> 0:09:15.200 rappers and like creatives watching it, like you've got to 0:09:15.240 --> 0:09:16.120 go to the people. 0:09:16.320 --> 0:09:17.480 Like you've got to go to the people. 0:09:17.520 --> 0:09:21.640 You can never get a real understanding of how people 0:09:21.760 --> 0:09:25.640 feel from you know, analytics or social media or nothing. 0:09:25.800 --> 0:09:29.160 Like people come and tell you a story about they 0:09:29.200 --> 0:09:31.600 little sister's life getting saved by your music or some 0:09:32.200 --> 0:09:35.200 you know, like them their baby being born, like whatever, 0:09:35.280 --> 0:09:37.960 Like they people have stories that they can't share with 0:09:38.040 --> 0:09:42.320 you really in detail through social media or through a 0:09:42.440 --> 0:09:44.400 view or a like or a comment. 0:09:44.120 --> 0:09:47.400 Like another subconscious question, do you think you went that 0:09:47.559 --> 0:09:51.240 route based off just a specific part of Twitter that 0:09:51.280 --> 0:09:54.599 reacted to the big day the way they did. 0:09:54.400 --> 0:09:55.199 On the timeline? 0:09:55.880 --> 0:09:59.520 I'm so like, let me not go so far in 0:09:59.600 --> 0:10:01.719 times to start it, Ryn, let me actually answer the 0:10:01.760 --> 0:10:07.080 first question first, like yes, because I think, like my 0:10:07.320 --> 0:10:11.080 shit has always been grassroots, like I really was a 0:10:11.120 --> 0:10:13.600 street team nigga, Like I know how to like work 0:10:13.640 --> 0:10:16.080 a project because I've been doing this since I was fourteen. 0:10:16.440 --> 0:10:21.640 So my relationship to the fans and that the way 0:10:21.679 --> 0:10:23.559 that that looks to the outside. 0:10:23.640 --> 0:10:25.720 I know the value of both of those things, Like 0:10:26.120 --> 0:10:26.559 I know the. 0:10:26.559 --> 0:10:29.600 Value of like having a person that will silently say 0:10:29.640 --> 0:10:31.000 I love you and I'll buy a hat. 0:10:31.320 --> 0:10:32.559 And I know the value. 0:10:32.320 --> 0:10:36.439 Of the of the perception of people seeing a lot 0:10:36.440 --> 0:10:39.280 of people wearing a hat, like they both have their 0:10:39.280 --> 0:10:43.120 own separate values. And I saw what was like you 0:10:43.160 --> 0:10:46.760 know this whatever, you know what I'm saying, I've seen 0:10:46.800 --> 0:10:49.720 what was happening, and I'm like, I need to tap 0:10:49.800 --> 0:10:52.080 in with the people that support and show them, like, 0:10:52.679 --> 0:10:54.880 you know, give them a pride. Because that's also a 0:10:54.920 --> 0:10:58.560 thing like you if you love an artist, right, especially 0:10:58.559 --> 0:11:01.120 from a young age, a lot of times you kind 0:11:01.120 --> 0:11:04.000 of like you start to feel connected to them in 0:11:04.000 --> 0:11:07.680 a way that's like I represent this person, they represent me. 0:11:08.120 --> 0:11:09.840 So when you see an artist that you fuck with 0:11:09.960 --> 0:11:14.079 getting trashed, like even if it's not conscious, subconsciously, it 0:11:14.600 --> 0:11:17.199 makes you dissociate and it makes you and sometimes it 0:11:17.240 --> 0:11:20.320 could like you have like an actual emotional reaction to it. 0:11:20.679 --> 0:11:24.719 And so it's like if I love this artist a 0:11:24.760 --> 0:11:27.560 lot and I love their music, and then I see 0:11:27.559 --> 0:11:32.720 like people are trashing it whatever that next music is, 0:11:32.760 --> 0:11:34.920 I want to see people love it, right, you know 0:11:35.120 --> 0:11:37.920 that matters to me separate from how much I love it. 0:11:37.920 --> 0:11:39.280 I could love it just as much as I love 0:11:39.320 --> 0:11:41.640 the last thing, but I want to see other people 0:11:41.679 --> 0:11:45.920 love it, And so I can't control how whatever their 0:11:46.080 --> 0:11:48.480 perception of what other people see is, but I can like. 0:11:48.920 --> 0:11:49.600 Bring them in. 0:11:49.840 --> 0:11:51.680 And so that's what I was really like doing, was 0:11:51.720 --> 0:11:54.200 like you know, these would be small rooms, like fifty people, 0:11:54.520 --> 0:11:56.520 sometimes eighty people, eat some in New York. Some more 0:11:56.559 --> 0:11:58.160 key ones in New York at the Choco Factor. Those 0:11:58.160 --> 0:12:01.080 are like our biggest ones. And they was like I 0:12:01.080 --> 0:12:04.080 think like maybe eighty eighty five to ninety people, but 0:12:04.120 --> 0:12:06.520 it's like intimate. I spend like some time afterwards the 0:12:06.559 --> 0:12:08.520 room just talking to people, and I'll give them these 0:12:08.520 --> 0:12:10.199 composition notebooks, like the same notebooks. 0:12:10.200 --> 0:12:12.040 I'll be writing it. 0:12:11.520 --> 0:12:15.280 And let them like write notes or you know, tell 0:12:15.320 --> 0:12:16.960 me their favorite songs. A lot of them will write 0:12:16.960 --> 0:12:19.360 me letters. And then I found out a lot of 0:12:19.360 --> 0:12:20.120 my fans has. 0:12:20.120 --> 0:12:21.760 Been writing this during the session. 0:12:22.880 --> 0:12:26.400 Send They're sending a bean bag, basically laying down. They 0:12:26.400 --> 0:12:29.559 got headphones on, right and in the room. Don't nobody 0:12:29.640 --> 0:12:32.160 still my design. I've been doing this for a while already. 0:12:32.160 --> 0:12:32.880 I'm almost back. 0:12:33.400 --> 0:12:35.640 It's okay, It's okay, but they know, they know where 0:12:35.679 --> 0:12:38.439 his mind is, Like I got more ideas to the 0:12:40.400 --> 0:12:43.880 room is is like surrounded by these subs, these big 0:12:43.920 --> 0:12:46.440 ass subs. So it delivers these loads that give you 0:12:46.640 --> 0:12:48.839 vibration to your seat that makes it feel like I'm 0:12:49.240 --> 0:12:50.880 you know, on a roller coaster or something. 0:12:51.160 --> 0:12:54.520 So uh that mixed with the visuals, the av the text. 0:12:54.600 --> 0:12:58.080 I'm sorry, the text the lyrics, like it puts you 0:12:58.120 --> 0:13:01.520 in like really inside the music, and like there's no 0:13:01.679 --> 0:13:05.280 like loss of frequency in terms of how I'm giving 0:13:05.280 --> 0:13:06.839 it to them, like what I'm saying. 0:13:07.559 --> 0:13:08.560 But it's also like. 0:13:10.040 --> 0:13:13.760 A real visceral like reaction to like a base drop 0:13:13.840 --> 0:13:16.960 being felt in your seat and in the floor, like 0:13:17.000 --> 0:13:19.400 you're at a concert while still getting all the high 0:13:19.480 --> 0:13:21.400 end frequency that the headphones give. 0:13:21.480 --> 0:13:23.600 That's that's how I sort of Last Fast and Furious. 0:13:24.240 --> 0:13:25.960 You said you saw the Last Fast and Furious with 0:13:26.040 --> 0:13:26.680 some headphones on. 0:13:26.920 --> 0:13:29.280 No, but the seats was moving in Oh yeah, yeah. 0:13:29.320 --> 0:13:30.920 It's not that I ain't got it to that level. 0:13:30.960 --> 0:13:33.240 I'm gonna make a roller coaster at some point. 0:13:34.800 --> 0:13:36.040 It sounds like my sound journey. 0:13:36.400 --> 0:13:38.080 Yeah, no, definitely, that's exactly what it is. 0:13:38.240 --> 0:13:41.040 But so now you give them the notebook, and you 0:13:41.080 --> 0:13:43.080 take the notebook back at the end, and you need 0:13:43.160 --> 0:13:44.480 all everybody's. 0:13:44.040 --> 0:13:46.800 I asked them to tear out whatever they want to 0:13:46.880 --> 0:13:48.760 leave me with and keep whatever they want to keep 0:13:48.760 --> 0:13:51.440 for themselves. So like you know, sometimes people write personal 0:13:51.520 --> 0:13:53.400 things like I don't always tell them I'm gonna collect 0:13:53.440 --> 0:13:55.800 it either, So at the end I'll be like, hey, 0:13:55.800 --> 0:13:57.400 if there's any note that you wanted to give me. 0:13:57.440 --> 0:13:58.719 You could tear it out, but I want you to 0:13:58.720 --> 0:14:00.280 still keep journaling because a lot of my fans a 0:14:00.400 --> 0:14:02.800 creatives too, so like they'll be I. 0:14:02.679 --> 0:14:04.920 Was just saying, like so many niggas, I'm telling them 0:14:04.960 --> 0:14:05.440 write me notes. 0:14:05.440 --> 0:14:08.400 It's hell a beautiful portraits and shit that they're drawing 0:14:08.480 --> 0:14:10.560 in the dark, like in the room, because they for 0:14:10.559 --> 0:14:12.800 whatever reason, a lot of my fans is be on 0:14:12.840 --> 0:14:13.760 some creative. 0:14:13.480 --> 0:14:16.760 A different level of connection to your to your audience stuff. 0:14:17.320 --> 0:14:19.800 No, it's nothing like anything I like I see in 0:14:19.840 --> 0:14:22.080 the market, but it is like in the line of 0:14:22.120 --> 0:14:24.360 like how I feel like a lot of my fans 0:14:24.360 --> 0:14:26.680 feel connected to me. It's a little more personal than 0:14:27.400 --> 0:14:28.760 you know. It's a lot of people that just fuck 0:14:28.840 --> 0:14:30.720 with me from Afar on, some like oh I like 0:14:30.760 --> 0:14:33.640 his raps, But a lot of people know something else 0:14:33.680 --> 0:14:36.600 about me, or has some other connection to me, or 0:14:36.720 --> 0:14:40.480 felt some like I said, like this permeating thing from 0:14:40.480 --> 0:14:43.080 a song where they were like, oh, that's what you beyond, 0:14:43.200 --> 0:14:45.680 That's what I be on. And then I'll just feel 0:14:45.720 --> 0:14:48.160 that love when I'm walking around in New York, walking 0:14:48.160 --> 0:14:51.080 around in any city, and people like yo, they don't know. 0:14:51.120 --> 0:14:53.680 I got a fucking whole CD about to come out, 0:14:54.040 --> 0:14:56.920 but they just get that love love brother like whatever. 0:14:56.960 --> 0:14:58.360 You you know what I'm saying, we support type. 0:14:58.480 --> 0:15:01.080 So now six years has been six years. Six years ago, 0:15:01.120 --> 0:15:03.600 I remember Rory and myself we kind of was the thing. 0:15:03.720 --> 0:15:07.720 Is it's chance really independent to go through that whole 0:15:07.760 --> 0:15:10.160 thing that was like the chatter? But now with all 0:15:10.160 --> 0:15:13.320 of this that you're doing, this is really an independent thing, 0:15:14.280 --> 0:15:16.520 and you're funding this and you have all these ideas 0:15:16.560 --> 0:15:20.680 as a creator. How frustrating is it at times when 0:15:20.680 --> 0:15:22.960 you have these ideas in these in these thoughts in 0:15:23.000 --> 0:15:25.000 your head and you want to get them out, but 0:15:25.080 --> 0:15:27.800 you're independent, and it's like, we know things cost. 0:15:27.920 --> 0:15:29.240 It's like, but I have this visual. 0:15:30.080 --> 0:15:32.000 Once you have a vision, is it like I'm doing 0:15:32.040 --> 0:15:33.760 this no matter what, or do you have to kind 0:15:33.760 --> 0:15:35.680 of call it audible every now and then and adjust 0:15:35.680 --> 0:15:35.880 to the. 0:15:36.280 --> 0:15:40.520 No, It's like we just go and like that's just 0:15:40.560 --> 0:15:43.240 how it's been since I first started. 0:15:43.400 --> 0:15:46.360 Like I like. 0:15:47.000 --> 0:15:49.880 I love I guess I just love being happy, So 0:15:49.880 --> 0:15:51.760 I don't invest anything that's gonna make me happy. 0:15:51.800 --> 0:15:52.800 That's like, you know what I'm saying. 0:15:52.840 --> 0:15:55.560 In terms of family and personal things like but like 0:15:56.240 --> 0:16:02.280 the music, like I always I've seen I've almost been there, 0:16:02.360 --> 0:16:06.120 always seen money as being for my pursuit of music 0:16:06.680 --> 0:16:08.920 or to be flipped so I can have money to 0:16:08.960 --> 0:16:10.520 pay for the things other things in my life that 0:16:10.520 --> 0:16:11.320 I need to take care of. 0:16:11.360 --> 0:16:12.960 But that flip is going to happen through music. 0:16:13.280 --> 0:16:16.960 So I feel like there's never really been a point 0:16:16.960 --> 0:16:21.640 where I was like, oh, like, I mean, I'll get 0:16:21.640 --> 0:16:23.280 that that's not a good investment because I just got 0:16:23.280 --> 0:16:25.440 to look at my actual life, like all my money 0:16:25.520 --> 0:16:30.840 is more money basically, so it's like the it definitely 0:16:30.880 --> 0:16:33.360 like what I have is going to make a decision 0:16:33.400 --> 0:16:36.760 and like what I can do. But I also say 0:16:36.760 --> 0:16:40.240 this all the time, like I go broke all the time. 0:16:40.640 --> 0:16:41.600 I go broke and. 0:16:41.560 --> 0:16:44.840 Get it back because also I believe in Jesus. But 0:16:44.920 --> 0:16:49.640 like there's like a certain you know, investment in self 0:16:49.680 --> 0:16:53.440 that I think every artist that really loves this shit feels, 0:16:53.480 --> 0:16:55.600 you know what I'm saying. And I think the only 0:16:55.640 --> 0:16:59.560 time that people don't is like, you know, we do 0:16:59.640 --> 0:17:01.880 be natural creative, So some people just fall into rap 0:17:02.000 --> 0:17:04.479 like they be naturally creative. They fall into it they 0:17:04.480 --> 0:17:06.520 see it as a business opportunity to do other things 0:17:07.000 --> 0:17:07.760 and there's no. 0:17:07.680 --> 0:17:08.199 Fault to it. 0:17:08.240 --> 0:17:11.440 But then there's also people that's like I was doing 0:17:11.440 --> 0:17:13.439 talent shows since they was a kid, and like, you 0:17:13.440 --> 0:17:15.679 know what I'm saying, Like that's where I come from. 0:17:15.720 --> 0:17:18.560 I come from open mics, talent shows, being a nigga 0:17:18.560 --> 0:17:21.320 that wanted to, you know, to share my art and 0:17:21.359 --> 0:17:23.320 felt like it was important for me to be in 0:17:23.320 --> 0:17:23.920 front of a mic. 0:17:24.080 --> 0:17:27.000 Yeah, I argue that, So, I mean, was the approach 0:17:27.080 --> 0:17:32.000 different with this one based on any feedback not only 0:17:32.040 --> 0:17:35.240 with what you were doing with your fans, but also 0:17:36.200 --> 0:17:38.800 the perception of people that maybe aren't even a chance 0:17:38.840 --> 0:17:41.160 the rapper fan, but they are a social media fan. 0:17:41.680 --> 0:17:44.560 And we'll just add on to the mob mentality of 0:17:44.600 --> 0:17:46.760 when something catches you know, I'm being. 0:17:46.680 --> 0:17:50.439 Honest, Like I feel like, content wise, it didn't. I 0:17:50.440 --> 0:17:53.840 think it's something that like weighs on my mind sometimes, 0:17:54.400 --> 0:17:57.320 you know, because like I'm a I'm a front facing person, 0:17:57.520 --> 0:18:00.880 Like I'm a like I've made the decision, even if 0:18:00.880 --> 0:18:03.080 it was at a young age, I made the decision 0:18:03.119 --> 0:18:05.320