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Speaker 2: All right, Roy, we are back, joined again by a

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Speaker 2: familiar face, friend of ours, friend of the studio, friend

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Speaker 2: of the show, not the studio. Uh, it's been a

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Speaker 2: while since we spoke to this gentleman. He has an

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Speaker 2: album coming out this Friday. Yes, and this the first

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Speaker 2: time in some years that he's putting something out. I

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Speaker 2: think people are going to be happy to receive it.

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Speaker 2: I listened to it the last two days. Music sounds incredible,

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Speaker 2: music sounds great. Today we are joined by singer songwriter

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Speaker 2: rapper and when he's not doing any of those things,

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Speaker 2: he's saving lives on highways. Today we are joined by

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Speaker 2: the legendary Chicago's own Chance to Rap.

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Speaker 3: Thank you man.

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Speaker 4: That was one of those things like I felt like

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Speaker 4: was in the simulation when you guys reminded me like

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Speaker 4: remember when Chance saved somebody's lives.

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Speaker 1: I was like I forgot, I got us like like

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Speaker 1: I'll just be catching people. I got all types of

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Speaker 1: random stories of me saving people. I'm that lady in

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Speaker 1: the elevator. We just was at some ship. Bro, We

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Speaker 1: was just at some ship who was at a haunted hotel.

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Speaker 1: So we went to this haunted hotel. This lady was

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Speaker 1: helping us, like taking us to and it's like a

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Speaker 1: real hotel. It's called the What is that called throw

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Speaker 1: my Mom? You ever heard that shot throw mom in

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Speaker 1: l a right that the one with the girl died,

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Speaker 3: Hell of people died at this ship. I'm sorry. If

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Speaker 3: this ends up being bad, we can take it out.

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Speaker 3: But I think death is great.

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Speaker 1: But basically, basically we was this lady was taking us

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Speaker 1: downstairs to like I think, to leave, and we and

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Speaker 1: when we was waiting in the room, she like knocked

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Speaker 3: So I'm like, I heard somebody knock. Let's go check.

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Speaker 1: When I opened the door, the lady is literally getting

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Speaker 1: crushed by elevator. That's one of them old elevators too,

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Speaker 1: Like not like a censor. It ain't no censer on

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Speaker 1: this joint. It's just it's like it was. It was

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Speaker 1: crushing her in the door, and I had to use

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Speaker 1: my Spider Man strength to pull that ship off of her.

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Speaker 1: But merch, I saved somebody's life this year, like less

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Speaker 1: than three months ago from what you was talking About's

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Speaker 1: one of.

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Speaker 4: Those things in the plot in the movie, he goes

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Speaker 4: to lobbying and that that elevator hasn't worked.

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Speaker 1: Like literally, that's what I felt like Lady felt she

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Speaker 1: died like thirty years.

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Speaker 3: But she hasn't been a lot of those large marks

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Speaker 3: since your moments.

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Speaker 2: Did. But it's good to see you, man, last six years,

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Speaker 2: where have you been?

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Speaker 5: It's so much we like, so much has happened in

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Speaker 2: Hasn't as a as a person, as an artist, I'm

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Speaker 2: sure things are a lot different. But how you feeling

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Speaker 2: the album is done? It's completely I know for artists

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Speaker 2: that's like a journey in itself, it feels. But it's

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Speaker 2: been a while for you, six years, but you you've

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Speaker 2: worked on music, You've written music in the meantime, I've.

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Speaker 3: Been releasing with my fans.

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Speaker 1: Like, so, six years is a long time, and every

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Speaker 1: time I hear that, it sounds so crazy to me,

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Speaker 1: but like so much of that time, it's.

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Speaker 5: A long time, But it's really not.

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Speaker 1: It's not like he's telling me, like, man, the last

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Speaker 3: I'm a grandfather, like it was, Like, so, it does

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Speaker 1: That now that I'm getting closer to the release, I'm

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Speaker 1: I'm excited for your project and that shit, that's a

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Speaker 1: great feeling. So I feel like but I feel like

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Speaker 1: of things that were all still in line with this

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Speaker 1: like a hyperbolic time chain, but like training at hardest

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Speaker 1: fuck and doing little side missions. But then like now

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Speaker 1: and it's like damn, he just damn near came off

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Speaker 1: a mountain, Like he just like he just came back.

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Speaker 1: And with this, I feel like the right end. Y'all

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Speaker 4: I mean, I think it's by far the best rapping

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Speaker 5: The music incredible than rapping you've done.

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Speaker 3: Was it six years? Was that a conscious decision or

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Speaker 3: that's just how lifele No.

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Speaker 1: I definitely wanted to be less than that for show.

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Speaker 1: But I feel like what I was trying to do

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Speaker 1: The other side to it is hearing it in the club.

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Speaker 1: But like you're gonna see that shit on TikTok, youre

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Speaker 1: So I focused a lot on like learning how to

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Speaker 1: because it's very dense versus like even what people like

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Speaker 1: Some of these songs have been around since twenty twenty

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Speaker 1: So I think it's like like it's very compacted. So

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Speaker 3: So I started working with.

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Speaker 1: And it was like, I'm gonna send you all some

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Speaker 3: So yeah, I just realized everyone that I.

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Speaker 1: But you say, like some like building an experience for somebody,

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Speaker 4: How did it differ with having like in real life,

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Speaker 3: Feedback on your music?

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Speaker 1: That shit is like you really can't get anywhere else.

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Speaker 1: I'd start looking down the camera because I know as

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Speaker 1: rappers and like creatives watching it, like you've got to

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Speaker 3: Like you've got to go to the people.

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Speaker 1: You can never get a real understanding of how people

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Speaker 1: feel from you know, analytics or social media or nothing.

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Speaker 1: Like people come and tell you a story about they

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Speaker 1: little sister's life getting saved by your music or some

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Speaker 4: Like another subconscious question, do you think you went that

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Speaker 3: On the timeline?

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Speaker 1: I'm so like, let me not go so far in

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Speaker 1: times to start it, Ryn, let me actually answer the

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Speaker 1: So my relationship to the fans and that the way

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Speaker 3: I know the value of both of those things, Like

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Speaker 3: And I know the value.

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Speaker 1: thing like you if you love an artist, right, especially

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Speaker 1: So when you see an artist that you fuck with

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Speaker 1: And so it's like if I love this artist a

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Speaker 1: I want to see people love it, right, you know

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Speaker 3: Bring them in.

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Speaker 1: And so that's what I was really like doing, was

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Speaker 3: I'll be writing it.

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Speaker 1: And let them like write notes or you know, tell

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Speaker 5: Been writing this during the session.

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Speaker 1: Send They're sending a bean bag, basically laying down. They

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Speaker 1: got headphones on, right and in the room. Don't nobody

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Speaker 1: still my design. I've been doing this for a while already.

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Speaker 5: I'm almost back.

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Speaker 1: It's okay, It's okay, but they know, they know where

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Speaker 1: room is is like surrounded by these subs, these big

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Speaker 3: So uh that mixed with the visuals, the av the text.

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Speaker 1: I'm sorry, the text the lyrics, like it puts you

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Speaker 3: But it's also like.

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Speaker 1: A real visceral like reaction to like a base drop

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Speaker 5: That's that's how I sort of Last Fast and Furious.

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Speaker 3: You said you saw the Last Fast and Furious with

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Speaker 5: No, but the seats was moving in Oh yeah, yeah.

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Speaker 1: It's not that I ain't got it to that level.

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna make a roller coaster at some point.

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Speaker 3: It sounds like my sound journey.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, no, definitely, that's exactly what it is.

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Speaker 2: But so now you give them the notebook, and you

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Speaker 2: take the notebook back at the end, and you need

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Speaker 2: all everybody's.

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Speaker 1: I asked them to tear out whatever they want to

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Speaker 1: for themselves. So like you know, sometimes people write personal

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Speaker 1: things like I don't always tell them I'm gonna collect

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Speaker 1: You could tear it out, but I want you to

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Speaker 1: still keep journaling because a lot of my fans a

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Speaker 3: Was just saying, like so many niggas, I'm telling them

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Speaker 1: It's hell a beautiful portraits and shit that they're drawing

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Speaker 5: A different level of connection to your to your audience stuff.

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Speaker 1: No, it's nothing like anything I like I see in

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Speaker 1: you know. It's a lot of people that just fuck

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Speaker 1: with me from Afar on, some like oh I like

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Speaker 1: felt some like I said, like this permeating thing from

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Speaker 1: That's what I be on. And then I'll just feel

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Speaker 1: that love when I'm walking around in New York, walking

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Speaker 1: I got a fucking whole CD about to come out,

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Speaker 1: but they just get that love love brother like whatever.

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Speaker 1: You you know what I'm saying, we support type.

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Speaker 2: So now six years has been six years. Six years ago,

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Speaker 2: I remember Rory and myself we kind of was the thing.

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Speaker 2: and you're funding this and you have all these ideas

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Speaker 5: It's like, but I have this visual.

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Speaker 2: Once you have a vision, is it like I'm doing

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Speaker 1: No, It's like we just go and like that's just

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Speaker 3: Like I like.

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Speaker 1: I love I guess I just love being happy, So

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Speaker 1: I don't invest anything that's gonna make me happy.

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Speaker 3: But that flip is going to happen through music.

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Speaker 1: So I feel like there's never really been a point

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Speaker 1: like what I have is going to make a decision

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Speaker 1: and like what I can do. But I also say

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Speaker 3: I go broke and.

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Speaker 1: Get it back because also I believe in Jesus. But

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Speaker 1: like there's like a certain you know, investment in self

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Speaker 1: that I think every artist that really loves this shit feels,

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Speaker 1: time that people don't is like, you know, we do

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Speaker 1: But then there's also people that's like I was doing

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Speaker 1: I come from open mics, talent shows, being a nigga

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I argue that, So, I mean, was the approach

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Speaker 1: Honest, Like I feel like, content wise, it didn't. I

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Speaker 3: So there's a song. The song is called Speed of Love.

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Speaker 1: It's me and Jazmine Sullivan, and on the song, I

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Speaker 1: Like we don't say it, but I'm basically a child star.

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Speaker 1: I'm but I'm a kid, you know what I'm saying,

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Speaker 1: Like I still haven't like and then you know, you

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Speaker 1: of capitalism, just because of like consumerism, just because of

442
00:20:18,920 --> 00:20:21,840
Speaker 1: how we present to these cameras, like people look at

443
00:20:21,920 --> 00:20:24,080
Speaker 1: us like trading cards, Like our value goes up and

444
00:20:24,119 --> 00:20:27,440
Speaker 1: down based on our takes and our most recent song

445
00:20:27,520 --> 00:20:33,479
Speaker 1: and like and so like within that, like you feel

446
00:20:33,480 --> 00:20:38,000
Speaker 1: a certain like you feel commodified or like dehumanized a

447
00:20:38,040 --> 00:20:40,480
Speaker 1: little bit, especially if it's negative. Like when it's positive,

448
00:20:40,480 --> 00:20:42,680
Speaker 1: then it's like, yeah, it's love. It's like, you know

449
00:20:42,720 --> 00:20:44,280
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. Even if you get tired of the

450
00:20:44,280 --> 00:20:46,399
Speaker 1: meet and greets and tired of everything, it's like, I

451
00:20:46,400 --> 00:20:49,040
Speaker 1: gotta be grateful, grateful niggas of me. But when niggas

452
00:20:49,040 --> 00:20:51,159
Speaker 1: start saying a lot of things about you or you

453
00:20:51,160 --> 00:20:53,720
Speaker 1: feel these niggas ungrateful, it's not even ungrateful.

454
00:20:53,760 --> 00:20:55,640
Speaker 3: It's like for a nigga that's.

455
00:20:55,480 --> 00:20:58,520
Speaker 1: Like, like I said, like if you really grow up

456
00:20:58,560 --> 00:21:00,720
Speaker 1: in it, then it's like, well, what's wrong with me?

457
00:21:01,160 --> 00:21:03,400
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. And I feel like that's

458
00:21:03,440 --> 00:21:06,560
Speaker 1: something I had to work through. So overall to answer

459
00:21:06,560 --> 00:21:08,240
Speaker 1: the question, I feel like a lot of the songs

460
00:21:08,600 --> 00:21:11,439
Speaker 1: are still pointed like I'm on this star Line journey,

461
00:21:11,440 --> 00:21:13,680
Speaker 1: and when you listen to it, you hear the radical,

462
00:21:13,960 --> 00:21:19,119
Speaker 1: you hear the self determination, you hear self love, you

463
00:21:19,200 --> 00:21:21,400
Speaker 1: hear a lot of those things that are like within that,

464
00:21:21,520 --> 00:21:23,879
Speaker 1: like that journey that I've been pushing to my fans

465
00:21:23,920 --> 00:21:26,400
Speaker 1: and like the story I'm trying to tell. But then

466
00:21:26,400 --> 00:21:30,400
Speaker 1: there's still like it's that vulnerability will interweaven be like, Okay,

467
00:21:30,920 --> 00:21:33,119
Speaker 1: this these are places that I fucked up. These are

468
00:21:33,160 --> 00:21:35,199
Speaker 1: places that I want to grow. These are things that

469
00:21:35,720 --> 00:21:37,639
Speaker 1: or this is how y'all tweaked on me, Like this

470
00:21:37,720 --> 00:21:39,840
Speaker 1: is where like even to my friends, that same song

471
00:21:39,920 --> 00:21:42,479
Speaker 1: Speed to Love has like a whole verse about my

472
00:21:42,560 --> 00:21:44,879
Speaker 1: friends and where they chose to how they chose to

473
00:21:45,480 --> 00:21:47,840
Speaker 1: use their voices or to like support me in certain

474
00:21:47,880 --> 00:21:51,960
Speaker 1: times and like, to me, this is the best place

475
00:21:52,000 --> 00:21:53,960
Speaker 1: to do it, even though I won't be saying names

476
00:21:53,960 --> 00:21:57,440
Speaker 1: in it, but even though it's public, it's like sometimes

477
00:21:57,560 --> 00:22:00,840
Speaker 1: especially for the creative, like you got you gotta put

478
00:22:00,840 --> 00:22:03,639
Speaker 1: that shit on wax, like you gotta like you gotta

479
00:22:04,040 --> 00:22:06,480
Speaker 1: not just express yourself and not just record yourself, but

480
00:22:06,480 --> 00:22:08,560
Speaker 1: you gotta publish, Like, yeah, gotta put it out.

481
00:22:08,720 --> 00:22:10,879
Speaker 4: I mean you tied it in with the I do

482
00:22:11,040 --> 00:22:14,399
Speaker 4: quote on that record. Yeah, how's the exact.

483
00:22:14,160 --> 00:22:14,639
Speaker 5: Borgo with that?

484
00:22:15,280 --> 00:22:19,000
Speaker 1: Man Erkobadu one of my favorite poets, favorite lyricists, favorite

485
00:22:19,359 --> 00:22:22,159
Speaker 1: obviously vocalist performers everything. She has a piece that she

486
00:22:22,200 --> 00:22:24,760
Speaker 1: did on Deaf Poetry Jam called Friends Fans and Artists

487
00:22:24,800 --> 00:22:27,320
Speaker 1: must Meet and at the beginning of each verse she

488
00:22:27,359 --> 00:22:29,800
Speaker 1: says that same mind friends, fans and artists must meet.

489
00:22:30,080 --> 00:22:31,840
Speaker 3: Which one are you? Which one are me?

490
00:22:32,080 --> 00:22:35,960
Speaker 1: The first, the first verse or first section of the

491
00:22:36,000 --> 00:22:40,399
Speaker 1: poem she talks about She says it from the perspective

492
00:22:40,560 --> 00:22:42,960
Speaker 1: of a fan, and they're like, man, I just want

493
00:22:43,000 --> 00:22:44,080
Speaker 1: to meet her after her show.

494
00:22:44,240 --> 00:22:45,760
Speaker 3: I loved her new song. It was dope.

495
00:22:46,119 --> 00:22:49,360
Speaker 1: Ooh, Like I hope she don't forget about me when

496
00:22:49,440 --> 00:22:51,960
Speaker 1: she gets so big. The second verse is from the

497
00:22:51,960 --> 00:22:54,240
Speaker 1: perspective of her friends, and her friends on it is

498
00:22:54,320 --> 00:22:56,879
Speaker 1: like this bitch want us to carry her luggage. She

499
00:22:57,000 --> 00:22:59,240
Speaker 1: lay for all the trips, she got all this money,

500
00:22:59,280 --> 00:23:00,880
Speaker 1: like she ain't go I no money when I shit

501
00:23:00,920 --> 00:23:03,920
Speaker 1: don't sell like it's like and then the third verse,

502
00:23:05,400 --> 00:23:07,679
Speaker 1: my favorite one. She like flips the notepad in the

503
00:23:07,680 --> 00:23:10,040
Speaker 1: air and she's speaking from her perspective or from the

504
00:23:10,080 --> 00:23:13,600
Speaker 1: perspective of an artists, and she's like, niggas don't know,

505
00:23:14,080 --> 00:23:16,960
Speaker 1: like when after taxes come, I be back broke, trying

506
00:23:16,960 --> 00:23:17,680
Speaker 1: to figure sit out.

507
00:23:17,680 --> 00:23:19,160
Speaker 3: People don't know the struggles I go through.

508
00:23:19,200 --> 00:23:21,639
Speaker 1: Just trying to write a verse that will appeal to

509
00:23:21,720 --> 00:23:24,520
Speaker 1: all these different people that you feel responsible for, Like

510
00:23:25,040 --> 00:23:26,720
Speaker 1: they don't know all of these things and this is

511
00:23:26,760 --> 00:23:29,440
Speaker 1: my perspective, but I just I always loved that piece

512
00:23:29,440 --> 00:23:32,639
Speaker 1: since I was a kid, and so like that really

513
00:23:32,760 --> 00:23:36,919
Speaker 1: drove the like the that was my closest connection to

514
00:23:37,560 --> 00:23:41,080
Speaker 1: how I felt was like, you know, I have to

515
00:23:41,160 --> 00:23:44,000
Speaker 1: address different things that I feel important to talk about,

516
00:23:44,040 --> 00:23:46,160
Speaker 1: not necessarily just the things that people think I need

517
00:23:46,200 --> 00:23:47,680
Speaker 1: to you know, like.

518
00:23:47,680 --> 00:23:48,919
Speaker 3: I got it. Like I said, I got a lot

519
00:23:48,960 --> 00:23:49,520
Speaker 3: of fans.

520
00:23:49,280 --> 00:23:51,120
Speaker 1: It's like, y, you better put out a record that's

521
00:23:51,119 --> 00:23:53,480
Speaker 1: stepping on their next, And it's like this is stepping

522
00:23:53,520 --> 00:23:57,000
Speaker 1: on their next, stepping on everybody. But like it's also

523
00:23:57,200 --> 00:23:59,240
Speaker 1: like I'm doing how I want to do it, and

524
00:23:59,240 --> 00:24:01,320
Speaker 1: I'm talking about what I want to talk about, right yeah, And.

525
00:24:01,280 --> 00:24:03,080
Speaker 4: I mean I think you're addressing what a lot of

526
00:24:03,080 --> 00:24:06,160
Speaker 4: people were curious to hear six years later. But also

527
00:24:06,200 --> 00:24:09,639
Speaker 4: on back to the Go, you addressed some shit that

528
00:24:09,800 --> 00:24:12,399
Speaker 4: I feel like the world has been wanting to know.

529
00:24:12,800 --> 00:24:14,240
Speaker 4: And what's fucked up is I had to make peace

530
00:24:14,280 --> 00:24:18,240
Speaker 4: with this too, that because we are in the public eye,

531
00:24:18,480 --> 00:24:20,800
Speaker 4: I put my personal life out there so people are

532
00:24:20,840 --> 00:24:22,600
Speaker 4: allowed to ask me about shit where I'm like, that's

533
00:24:22,640 --> 00:24:24,400
Speaker 4: none even fucking business to begin with.

534
00:24:24,400 --> 00:24:24,840
Speaker 5: What it is.

535
00:24:24,880 --> 00:24:25,920
Speaker 3: But it is.

536
00:24:26,040 --> 00:24:28,400
Speaker 4: I made the choice of even putting it out there,

537
00:24:28,440 --> 00:24:30,640
Speaker 4: So how could I react to somebody being like, well,

538
00:24:30,640 --> 00:24:35,640
Speaker 4: we're invested now you address the divorce, everything that's happening.

539
00:24:36,040 --> 00:24:40,560
Speaker 1: What was that transition, like even it's a transition still now,

540
00:24:40,800 --> 00:24:47,840
Speaker 1: like it's like we are you know, we're young, like

541
00:24:48,080 --> 00:24:49,920
Speaker 1: you know, maybe not to the Wians, but were young,

542
00:24:50,000 --> 00:24:50,760
Speaker 1: like you know what I'm saying.

543
00:24:51,240 --> 00:24:51,560
Speaker 3: I was.

544
00:24:51,800 --> 00:24:54,040
Speaker 1: I was twenty one when Kinsley, when my first kid

545
00:24:54,119 --> 00:24:55,720
Speaker 1: was born, very you know what I'm saying.

546
00:24:55,760 --> 00:24:59,440
Speaker 3: So like we we.

547
00:24:59,359 --> 00:25:02,280
Speaker 1: Like you know, are growing and we just two people

548
00:25:02,320 --> 00:25:05,160
Speaker 1: that like definitely love each other and definitely I feel

549
00:25:05,200 --> 00:25:08,560
Speaker 1: like I'm explaining it to my kids right now, like listen,

550
00:25:08,640 --> 00:25:09,560
Speaker 1: not but like it's.

551
00:25:10,000 --> 00:25:10,600
Speaker 3: I didn't think it was.

552
00:25:11,160 --> 00:25:14,320
Speaker 1: No, no, it's just but it's like the reality of

553
00:25:14,359 --> 00:25:17,359
Speaker 1: it is is like everybody you know deals with their

554
00:25:17,440 --> 00:25:20,640
Speaker 1: family different with the family I come from is very

555
00:25:20,720 --> 00:25:26,200
Speaker 1: very close, like very very tight, and you know it's

556
00:25:26,400 --> 00:25:29,040
Speaker 1: very important for us and for her and her family

557
00:25:29,119 --> 00:25:30,680
Speaker 1: for us to be tight.

558
00:25:30,760 --> 00:25:33,359
Speaker 3: So we you know, we still travel together, we still like.

559
00:25:33,520 --> 00:25:37,000
Speaker 1: Still yeah, we still have family forever, like and it's

560
00:25:37,119 --> 00:25:40,159
Speaker 1: just a you know, it's a different format of it.

561
00:25:40,320 --> 00:25:42,239
Speaker 1: But like we've been through every format. We didn't get

562
00:25:42,280 --> 00:25:44,240
Speaker 1: married until I was twenty six, so you know what

563
00:25:44,240 --> 00:25:47,520
Speaker 1: I'm saying, Like we've we've been through these things, and

564
00:25:47,600 --> 00:25:49,080
Speaker 1: like I ain't going to act like it's not tough.

565
00:25:49,080 --> 00:25:50,679
Speaker 1: I ain't going to act like it's perfect. And we

566
00:25:50,800 --> 00:25:53,040
Speaker 1: just was like we shook hands and did like it.

567
00:25:53,000 --> 00:25:54,320
Speaker 5: Was Like, what's the toughest part about it?

568
00:25:54,359 --> 00:26:03,280
Speaker 1: Though it's weird, I think everything is like the same

569
00:26:03,359 --> 00:26:06,000
Speaker 1: level of toughness when it comes to like situationally, I

570
00:26:06,040 --> 00:26:10,200
Speaker 1: think the toughness is that it's a reality. I think

571
00:26:10,240 --> 00:26:13,720
Speaker 1: that's the toughest part is that you might feel like

572
00:26:13,760 --> 00:26:15,840
Speaker 1: you're over it and you and you're not over it,

573
00:26:15,960 --> 00:26:18,280
Speaker 1: or you might you know, be used to a certain

574
00:26:18,320 --> 00:26:22,640
Speaker 1: pattern of operating and because it don't work like that,

575
00:26:22,760 --> 00:26:25,280
Speaker 1: like you have to like allow yourself grace to deal

576
00:26:25,280 --> 00:26:27,200
Speaker 1: with that and operate in reality.

577
00:26:28,320 --> 00:26:29,120
Speaker 3: And so I feel like.

578
00:26:30,640 --> 00:26:32,879
Speaker 1: It's a it's a it's not every I don't want

579
00:26:32,880 --> 00:26:34,359
Speaker 1: to say it's every day thing, like every day we

580
00:26:34,400 --> 00:26:36,600
Speaker 1: get into it or every day were good. It's really

581
00:26:36,720 --> 00:26:43,000
Speaker 1: just like you know, we we try and always remember

582
00:26:43,440 --> 00:26:48,320
Speaker 1: the importance of like supporting each other, loving each other,

583
00:26:48,800 --> 00:26:50,360
Speaker 1: you know, not just for the sake of our kids,

584
00:26:50,400 --> 00:26:52,159
Speaker 1: but for the sake of each other's sanity, for like

585
00:26:52,200 --> 00:26:53,680
Speaker 1: the fact that we have respect.

586
00:26:53,400 --> 00:26:55,439
Speaker 5: For y'all grew up together. Yeah, like me, ya grew

587
00:26:55,480 --> 00:26:56,320
Speaker 5: up together.

588
00:26:56,000 --> 00:26:58,840
Speaker 1: And we like it's like if you knew Chicago, like

589
00:26:58,880 --> 00:27:01,000
Speaker 1: the way Chicago works. And I hate to say shit,

590
00:27:01,040 --> 00:27:02,640
Speaker 1: like high school, I sound like the nigga that would

591
00:27:02,640 --> 00:27:07,000
Speaker 1: be like I was a quarterback, But like, everybody.

592
00:27:06,480 --> 00:27:07,320
Speaker 3: Still know each other.

593
00:27:07,720 --> 00:27:09,920
Speaker 1: We all still go to the same places, Like, yeah,

594
00:27:10,200 --> 00:27:12,760
Speaker 1: I see her at like at least every other week,

595
00:27:12,800 --> 00:27:14,479
Speaker 1: and that's what as a nigga that travels a lot,

596
00:27:14,520 --> 00:27:17,879
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. So I don't have the

597
00:27:17,920 --> 00:27:19,600
Speaker 1: same I don't want to make it seem like it's

598
00:27:19,600 --> 00:27:21,159
Speaker 1: so easy because I don't have the same story or

599
00:27:21,200 --> 00:27:23,919
Speaker 1: the same relationship. I know people that they do not

600
00:27:24,440 --> 00:27:27,360
Speaker 1: even recognize that they bem or the bed is alive,

601
00:27:27,520 --> 00:27:30,879
Speaker 1: you feel, Yeah, And that's not how we That's just

602
00:27:30,880 --> 00:27:31,400
Speaker 1: not how we move.

603
00:27:31,520 --> 00:27:31,680
Speaker 3: Yeah.

604
00:27:31,680 --> 00:27:34,640
Speaker 4: I mean even you're saying we have to accept the reality,

605
00:27:35,040 --> 00:27:39,080
Speaker 4: like shit, I'm co parenting now and it's been a

606
00:27:39,119 --> 00:27:42,080
Speaker 4: tougher breakup just because there is no out of sight,

607
00:27:42,119 --> 00:27:44,520
Speaker 4: out of mind, Like then you start arousing. Maybe I'm

608
00:27:44,520 --> 00:27:46,040
Speaker 4: not over this, or maybe I like it for the

609
00:27:46,040 --> 00:27:48,679
Speaker 4: family like that. Shit is a very difficult thing to

610
00:27:48,800 --> 00:27:51,680
Speaker 4: go through with a breakup because other ones, Yeah they tough,

611
00:27:51,720 --> 00:27:53,800
Speaker 4: but you can just like block the person and just

612
00:27:53,840 --> 00:27:57,200
Speaker 4: not see them. We got to talk every goddamn day, yeah, man,

613
00:27:57,400 --> 00:27:59,840
Speaker 4: and it has it'll drain you if it's not a

614
00:28:00,040 --> 00:28:01,760
Speaker 4: good at least co parenting.

615
00:28:01,880 --> 00:28:04,560
Speaker 3: That's the thing. It's like, kids is for the rest

616
00:28:04,600 --> 00:28:05,480
Speaker 3: of your life. Yeah.

617
00:28:05,520 --> 00:28:08,159
Speaker 1: Absolutely, Yeah, it's not even the rest of it's kind

618
00:28:08,200 --> 00:28:09,880
Speaker 1: of the rest of their life. You know what I'm saying,

619
00:28:09,920 --> 00:28:12,919
Speaker 1: God willing, It's like it's the rest of your life.

620
00:28:13,560 --> 00:28:17,560
Speaker 1: You will be connected, no matter what, emotionally to this being,

621
00:28:17,600 --> 00:28:19,400
Speaker 1: physically to this being always.

622
00:28:19,640 --> 00:28:20,120
Speaker 3: So like.

623
00:28:22,640 --> 00:28:25,200
Speaker 1: If you then y'all in a vent diagram, y'all both

624
00:28:25,200 --> 00:28:26,800
Speaker 1: connected to the same thing, y'all plug.

625
00:28:27,160 --> 00:28:29,480
Speaker 3: So I think we both are.

626
00:28:30,560 --> 00:28:33,000
Speaker 1: I'm not saying we the most emotionally mature people, but

627
00:28:33,040 --> 00:28:37,280
Speaker 1: we both I think at least have that vantage point

628
00:28:37,520 --> 00:28:40,160
Speaker 1: that allows us to never go too far, you know

629
00:28:40,160 --> 00:28:43,240
Speaker 1: what I'm saying in any direction, And I'm grateful that

630
00:28:43,280 --> 00:28:45,240
Speaker 1: I got somebody that is like that, you.

631
00:28:45,240 --> 00:28:47,040
Speaker 3: Know, to their vantage point. This is family.

632
00:28:47,160 --> 00:28:50,040
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's the exact example you mentioned on that record

633
00:28:50,080 --> 00:28:53,160
Speaker 4: as well that you felt sometimes like an absentee.

634
00:28:53,480 --> 00:28:55,479
Speaker 3: Yeah, Dad, Yeah, that's like.

635
00:28:56,040 --> 00:28:57,800
Speaker 1: And I love the word play on this song, like

636
00:28:57,800 --> 00:29:01,080
Speaker 1: there's so many good ways to like, you know, talk

637
00:29:01,160 --> 00:29:06,000
Speaker 1: about a home or like going back home and that

638
00:29:06,240 --> 00:29:11,800
Speaker 1: in that verse, I yues like I there's so many

639
00:29:12,040 --> 00:29:14,720
Speaker 1: Like I think like everybody, like I said, everybody operates differently.

640
00:29:14,760 --> 00:29:17,440
Speaker 1: They think of things like the importance of certain things differently.

641
00:29:17,480 --> 00:29:20,080
Speaker 3: Like, Man, I miss my kids.

642
00:29:19,880 --> 00:29:22,880
Speaker 1: Right now, like this time going out of town because

643
00:29:22,920 --> 00:29:24,680
Speaker 1: of how much work I've had. I just had them

644
00:29:24,680 --> 00:29:27,280
Speaker 1: for the last two weeks, Like the amount of time

645
00:29:27,360 --> 00:29:29,840
Speaker 1: that I had to lean on my mom. Like it

646
00:29:30,560 --> 00:29:32,200
Speaker 1: like I ain't gonna cry, but I'm just saying, like

647
00:29:32,200 --> 00:29:34,800
Speaker 1: that shit, just thinking about it, it makes me feel

648
00:29:34,800 --> 00:29:37,840
Speaker 1: a way, you know what I'm saying. But like they understand,

649
00:29:38,080 --> 00:29:40,680
Speaker 1: like they're both super emotionally intelligent kids.

650
00:29:40,920 --> 00:29:43,720
Speaker 3: And I had a whole, which long conversation. Yeah it is.

651
00:29:43,720 --> 00:29:47,480
Speaker 1: I'm so blessed that I got girls because they are very,

652
00:29:47,600 --> 00:29:50,360
Speaker 1: very smart. And I had like a long conversation with

653
00:29:50,480 --> 00:29:53,200
Speaker 1: my oldest started yesterday and she was just like completely understanding.

654
00:29:53,200 --> 00:29:55,320
Speaker 1: She was just like like, let's she like I al't

655
00:29:55,400 --> 00:29:56,840
Speaker 1: talk to my mom like I'm gonna figure out, like

656
00:29:56,880 --> 00:29:58,960
Speaker 1: we could do something when you get back type shit.

657
00:29:59,080 --> 00:30:05,560
Speaker 3: And I think there's a weight that I.

658
00:30:07,120 --> 00:30:12,880
Speaker 1: Believe is attributed to anything dealing with like developmental you know,

659
00:30:13,040 --> 00:30:15,560
Speaker 1: going like like certain things happening in my kids life

660
00:30:15,600 --> 00:30:17,280
Speaker 1: that I don't want to miss a first day of school,

661
00:30:17,680 --> 00:30:20,400
Speaker 1: a birthday or a birthday party of you know anything,

662
00:30:20,800 --> 00:30:25,720
Speaker 1: and just in you know, just in working, I miss

663
00:30:25,720 --> 00:30:28,960
Speaker 1: a lot of stuff that doesn't include my personal life

664
00:30:29,280 --> 00:30:33,360
Speaker 1: that doesn't include you know, now the now of like

665
00:30:34,040 --> 00:30:38,160
Speaker 1: we got to take turns like and sometimes against that

666
00:30:38,240 --> 00:30:41,320
Speaker 1: family dynamic. It feels like you know what I'm saying,

667
00:30:41,360 --> 00:30:43,840
Speaker 1: like give me my kids back type shit, and.

668
00:30:43,760 --> 00:30:45,760
Speaker 3: So that creates a separation and stuff too.

669
00:30:45,960 --> 00:30:49,120
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean you did mention your personal life too,

670
00:30:49,200 --> 00:30:51,160
Speaker 4: and we can bring it back to a little light

671
00:30:51,160 --> 00:30:54,240
Speaker 4: because I'm a cry as well. Yeah you did have

672
00:30:54,440 --> 00:30:59,560
Speaker 4: like definitely a dad trip where you're off the map,

673
00:31:00,800 --> 00:31:04,959
Speaker 4: Josh weel that video. This was one of those personal

674
00:31:04,960 --> 00:31:06,240
Speaker 4: lives like dad needs a weekend.

675
00:31:06,840 --> 00:31:10,640
Speaker 3: Look but look at the is this rewind one time?

676
00:31:11,040 --> 00:31:13,960
Speaker 3: This is how is that carnival? Look at look at me,

677
00:31:14,040 --> 00:31:14,920
Speaker 3: look at the camera.

678
00:31:15,360 --> 00:31:19,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, and then and then look oh, and then look

679
00:31:19,800 --> 00:31:21,400
Speaker 1: at the look off like I didn't see the camera.

680
00:31:24,840 --> 00:31:28,360
Speaker 4: There's like this may affect when this came out, I

681
00:31:28,440 --> 00:31:30,440
Speaker 4: defended you online because we definitely defended you.

682
00:31:30,720 --> 00:31:34,360
Speaker 2: Well, it's the culture. It's carnival chances. He's interested in

683
00:31:34,360 --> 00:31:37,080
Speaker 2: the culture. This is what you do at cart Yeah,

684
00:31:37,200 --> 00:31:42,720
Speaker 2: here's the truth. I regardless, I was tripping. Yeah, I

685
00:31:42,760 --> 00:31:44,320
Speaker 2: was tripping. Yeah, you know what I'm saying.

686
00:31:44,320 --> 00:31:45,280
Speaker 3: Why do you think you were tripping?

687
00:31:46,360 --> 00:31:47,840
Speaker 5: How do you think he was tripping? I think I

688
00:31:47,880 --> 00:31:48,800
Speaker 5: was thinking he was tripping.

689
00:31:48,840 --> 00:31:50,560
Speaker 1: No, I think I was tripping because nobody knew that

690
00:31:50,720 --> 00:31:52,720
Speaker 1: me and my wife were separated, you know what I'm saying,

691
00:31:52,720 --> 00:31:59,600
Speaker 1: So I have you don't rather BM your wife friend

692
00:31:59,640 --> 00:32:02,440
Speaker 1: making friend, don't let your lady look stupid with them.

693
00:32:02,440 --> 00:32:04,440
Speaker 3: So some reason I thought that was after there was

694
00:32:04,480 --> 00:32:05,560
Speaker 3: the no.

695
00:32:05,480 --> 00:32:07,880
Speaker 1: That was the big deal about it where everybody was tripping,

696
00:32:08,000 --> 00:32:11,120
Speaker 1: was was like, it's this appropriate behavior for somebody that's married.

697
00:32:11,160 --> 00:32:13,720
Speaker 5: Okay, So that's what that lookof wasn't like oh shit, it.

698
00:32:13,800 --> 00:32:16,600
Speaker 1: Was like damn, like I'm putting our business out there. Basically,

699
00:32:16,640 --> 00:32:18,800
Speaker 1: it was my birthday and I was. I'm not ever

700
00:32:18,800 --> 00:32:20,640
Speaker 1: gonna say anything else, but I'm saying like it was

701
00:32:20,640 --> 00:32:24,160
Speaker 1: my birthday. I'm lit and with all my guys, it's carnival.

702
00:32:24,680 --> 00:32:27,080
Speaker 1: That was my thirtieth birthday. I'm not trying to make excuses.

703
00:32:27,120 --> 00:32:29,120
Speaker 1: I'm just saying, like I'm paying the scene for you,

704
00:32:29,160 --> 00:32:31,880
Speaker 1: like but basically, yeah, I mean that is that is

705
00:32:32,160 --> 00:32:36,479
Speaker 1: you know, Caribbean culture. That is like you know, uh

706
00:32:37,560 --> 00:32:40,040
Speaker 1: a thing. But like at the end of the day,

707
00:32:40,160 --> 00:32:46,440
Speaker 1: like I feel like I was glad when that ship

708
00:32:46,560 --> 00:32:49,560
Speaker 1: was homework because my phone was blowing up the next

709
00:32:49,640 --> 00:32:50,720
Speaker 1: day about that shit.

710
00:32:50,840 --> 00:32:52,800
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean I feel like your man that was

711
00:32:52,800 --> 00:32:54,960
Speaker 4: holding you up on the dub, it's classic move.

712
00:32:55,280 --> 00:32:58,600
Speaker 3: Maybe he should have been grabbing phones. Yeah, it's carnival.

713
00:33:00,120 --> 00:33:02,200
Speaker 3: Part of it was like everybody was lit.

714
00:33:02,240 --> 00:33:08,880
Speaker 1: Like everybody that was probably the like the cleanest wine

715
00:33:08,920 --> 00:33:09,760
Speaker 1: I caught, Like.

716
00:33:09,760 --> 00:33:12,960
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying, like lucky they censor. Yeah,

717
00:33:13,160 --> 00:33:15,880
Speaker 3: the other wines I was catching when down you know

718
00:33:15,880 --> 00:33:16,360
Speaker 3: what I'm saying.

719
00:33:16,520 --> 00:33:18,640
Speaker 1: But it's like what the truth is like like I said, like,

720
00:33:19,400 --> 00:33:23,000
Speaker 1: don't don't have anybody looking stupid and I went out

721
00:33:23,000 --> 00:33:24,360
Speaker 1: there for fun like.

722
00:33:24,320 --> 00:33:27,040
Speaker 3: We're I think at the end of the day, Like.

723
00:33:28,840 --> 00:33:31,480
Speaker 1: I do wish that that shit didn't happen that way,

724
00:33:31,600 --> 00:33:33,720
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, And I wish that I was,

725
00:33:34,400 --> 00:33:38,600
Speaker 1: you know, more protective of her. But like I think

726
00:33:40,000 --> 00:33:44,000
Speaker 1: it's you know, it's it's in the past. That's the reality.

727
00:33:44,040 --> 00:33:46,280
Speaker 1: That's part of It's like you deal with realities. You

728
00:33:46,360 --> 00:33:49,000
Speaker 1: go through like all of these different decisions that get you.

729
00:33:49,080 --> 00:33:51,720
Speaker 1: Every single decision that we all made got us to

730
00:33:51,720 --> 00:33:54,760
Speaker 1: sitting on these couches right now. So it's like okay,

731
00:33:54,840 --> 00:33:58,280
Speaker 1: like I gotta deal with whatever comes with that, and

732
00:33:58,360 --> 00:34:01,080
Speaker 1: also like do whatever I can to like make up

733
00:34:01,120 --> 00:34:05,680
Speaker 1: for that. And also I gotta like I can't like

734
00:34:05,760 --> 00:34:07,560
Speaker 1: make it seem like, oh, I've got to build a

735
00:34:07,560 --> 00:34:08,880
Speaker 1: fucking time machine.

736
00:34:08,560 --> 00:34:10,600
Speaker 4: Like yeah, yeah, I mean, what was that conversation like,

737
00:34:10,640 --> 00:34:14,120
Speaker 4: because nothing's worse than like especially your thirtieth birthday, Like

738
00:34:14,160 --> 00:34:16,160
Speaker 4: you just start phone just start ringing like that.

739
00:34:16,239 --> 00:34:18,680
Speaker 3: You don't even know the videos up, just phone blowing up.

740
00:34:18,800 --> 00:34:23,640
Speaker 1: Like no, it's like really, it's like your I got

741
00:34:23,680 --> 00:34:25,759
Speaker 1: a lot of people that love me, like and a

742
00:34:25,760 --> 00:34:26,719
Speaker 1: lot of people that love me.

743
00:34:26,640 --> 00:34:28,640
Speaker 3: But don't necessarily know everything that's going on in my life.

744
00:34:28,680 --> 00:34:35,799
Speaker 1: So like it's mainly like friends, family, team press, Like

745
00:34:36,360 --> 00:34:40,120
Speaker 1: everybody hit my along, like yo, this you're going viral,

746
00:34:41,520 --> 00:34:45,759
Speaker 1: Like you got to take your birthday.

747
00:34:46,040 --> 00:34:48,200
Speaker 3: You're supposed to just catch the line, don't smack it.

748
00:34:48,400 --> 00:34:51,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, the fuck is it doing?

749
00:34:52,680 --> 00:34:54,560
Speaker 1: But like you know, at the end of the day,

750
00:34:55,560 --> 00:34:58,239
Speaker 1: they gonna end. Man, yeah, I'm thirty two now, you

751
00:34:58,280 --> 00:34:58,839
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying.

752
00:34:58,960 --> 00:34:59,719
Speaker 5: Yeah, sorry, listen.

753
00:35:00,160 --> 00:35:01,799
Speaker 2: Why when it came out, I was like, listen, man,

754
00:35:02,239 --> 00:35:03,200
Speaker 2: he's a carnival.

755
00:35:03,840 --> 00:35:06,520
Speaker 5: This is what goes on. This is what happens. And

756
00:35:06,560 --> 00:35:08,719
Speaker 5: everybody was like, nah, he wild.

757
00:35:08,920 --> 00:35:09,040
Speaker 2: You know.

758
00:35:09,080 --> 00:35:09,960
Speaker 5: The women was having he.

759
00:35:10,040 --> 00:35:12,719
Speaker 2: Wold for that, and I was like, I get it,

760
00:35:12,760 --> 00:35:14,680
Speaker 2: but it's carnival, you know what I'm saying.

761
00:35:15,000 --> 00:35:16,960
Speaker 4: Yeah, I feel the same way. But this is where

762
00:35:17,000 --> 00:35:19,560
Speaker 4: I believe double standards exist. If my if it was

763
00:35:19,560 --> 00:35:21,040
Speaker 4: flipped and my girl did that was like no, but

764
00:35:21,040 --> 00:35:21,600
Speaker 4: it's carnival.

765
00:35:21,640 --> 00:35:25,560
Speaker 3: I'd be like, standards is real.

766
00:35:25,640 --> 00:35:26,120
Speaker 5: We know that.

767
00:35:26,239 --> 00:35:29,640
Speaker 1: I feel like there's always gonna be gender wars because

768
00:35:29,640 --> 00:35:30,480
Speaker 1: there's stud genders.

769
00:35:30,840 --> 00:35:33,080
Speaker 3: Sorry wait, whoa, whoa, All right, let's take it. Let's

770
00:35:33,080 --> 00:35:39,360
Speaker 3: take a step as a Republican is a republic? The

771
00:35:39,400 --> 00:35:42,719
Speaker 3: episode a step back. Let's take a step back, Republican

772
00:35:43,080 --> 00:35:45,360
Speaker 3: step back. Let's take a step back. Okay.

773
00:35:45,800 --> 00:35:51,040
Speaker 1: What I'm trying to say is that the c I A, yes,

774
00:35:51,560 --> 00:35:52,760
Speaker 1: my brother, yes.

775
00:35:55,880 --> 00:35:56,080
Speaker 3: You know.

776
00:35:56,120 --> 00:35:58,439
Speaker 2: It's so funny how you say that and you catch

777
00:35:58,440 --> 00:36:01,840
Speaker 2: it so like, wait, WHOA, I don't even say.

778
00:36:01,719 --> 00:36:02,760
Speaker 3: The word gender office.

779
00:36:02,840 --> 00:36:04,920
Speaker 1: It was like, and once I heard myself talking, I

780
00:36:04,960 --> 00:36:06,240
Speaker 1: was like, no, what am I talking about?

781
00:36:06,040 --> 00:36:08,560
Speaker 3: You now, what I'm talking about right now, we are,

782
00:36:08,600 --> 00:36:11,759
Speaker 3: right now in your relationship, there was two genders. That's

783
00:36:11,760 --> 00:36:12,680
Speaker 3: what you were getting. What I was saying.

784
00:36:12,800 --> 00:36:14,920
Speaker 1: What I was saying is like, no matter what, if

785
00:36:14,960 --> 00:36:17,440
Speaker 1: something happens with some celebrities, there's gonna be a lot

786
00:36:17,480 --> 00:36:20,800
Speaker 1: of people that tag onto the conversation in pushing whatever

787
00:36:20,840 --> 00:36:24,280
Speaker 1: their belief or stance on something is. And even whatever

788
00:36:24,360 --> 00:36:27,359
Speaker 1: happened is going to be presented to you by the

789
00:36:27,400 --> 00:36:30,520
Speaker 1: blogs or whatever, Instagram pages or whatever in a way

790
00:36:30,520 --> 00:36:33,640
Speaker 1: to make you have to have a you know, hot

791
00:36:33,760 --> 00:36:37,520
Speaker 1: or cold opinion on what's going on. And so sometimes

792
00:36:37,520 --> 00:36:39,919
Speaker 1: I think the people that's involved in those stories don't

793
00:36:39,960 --> 00:36:42,920
Speaker 1: even like we don't take the time or give ourselves

794
00:36:42,960 --> 00:36:45,000
Speaker 1: the grace to realize, like, this shit not really about me,

795
00:36:45,640 --> 00:36:49,040
Speaker 1: It's about niggas. Wanting to go get go catch a

796
00:36:49,080 --> 00:36:51,120
Speaker 1: wine as somewhere else, like this shouldn't got nothing to

797
00:36:51,160 --> 00:36:54,719
Speaker 1: do with me, But unfortunately I'm tied into this conversation

798
00:36:54,800 --> 00:36:59,959
Speaker 1: now and it's going to you know, it'll only last

799
00:37:00,040 --> 00:37:01,759
Speaker 1: as long as I keep talking about that shit. So

800
00:37:01,920 --> 00:37:05,960
Speaker 1: I kind of got that. You know, Yeah, it happens, drugs,

801
00:37:06,000 --> 00:37:07,080
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, It happens.

802
00:37:07,160 --> 00:37:07,759
Speaker 3: Did I do that?

803
00:37:08,680 --> 00:37:10,359
Speaker 4: I mean, listen if you got to get called doing

804
00:37:10,360 --> 00:37:11,520
Speaker 4: something in carnival.

805
00:37:17,480 --> 00:37:20,400
Speaker 2: So you've been you've been, uh, you've been writing. What

806
00:37:20,520 --> 00:37:23,080
Speaker 2: is your relationship like today with uh?

807
00:37:23,440 --> 00:37:24,000
Speaker 5: With Kanye?

808
00:37:24,000 --> 00:37:26,600
Speaker 2: Because I would you didn't put nothing out album wise

809
00:37:26,600 --> 00:37:28,719
Speaker 2: the last six years, but you've been writing a lot.

810
00:37:28,760 --> 00:37:31,759
Speaker 2: You've been working a lot, specifically with Kanye. Where's the

811
00:37:31,800 --> 00:37:34,320
Speaker 2: relationship like today with ya? Like, where do y'all stand?

812
00:37:34,880 --> 00:37:37,080
Speaker 2: Do you still speak to them often? You still work

813
00:37:37,120 --> 00:37:39,440
Speaker 2: with them? Are there any sessions left off? Any music

814
00:37:39,480 --> 00:37:41,560
Speaker 2: that came from those sessions that are on this album?

815
00:37:41,880 --> 00:37:44,440
Speaker 3: No, there's nothing from from those sessions on this album.

816
00:37:44,480 --> 00:37:46,439
Speaker 3: There was one that would have could have been wrong,

817
00:37:47,800 --> 00:37:50,399
Speaker 3: but no, there's not any on this out.

818
00:37:50,840 --> 00:37:56,640
Speaker 1: And I was gonna say so, honestly, is the best policy.

819
00:37:56,719 --> 00:37:58,840
Speaker 1: I haven't talked to him in a long time. Okay,

820
00:38:01,480 --> 00:38:04,440
Speaker 1: He's one of the most influential people in my music.

821
00:38:04,800 --> 00:38:05,480
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying.

822
00:38:07,280 --> 00:38:10,520
Speaker 1: He was at my wedding, He's you know, our kids

823
00:38:10,560 --> 00:38:13,360
Speaker 1: have hung out together, so like, you know, I always

824
00:38:13,360 --> 00:38:16,279
Speaker 1: love Kanye. Yeah, And but just being honest, I haven't

825
00:38:16,280 --> 00:38:17,160
Speaker 1: talked to him in a while.

826
00:38:17,200 --> 00:38:17,759
Speaker 3: I feel like.

827
00:38:20,080 --> 00:38:23,160
Speaker 1: I've been hella busy. I'm working on shit. He's obviously

828
00:38:23,200 --> 00:38:25,840
Speaker 1: been busy. He's been working on shit, so like you

829
00:38:25,840 --> 00:38:29,960
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, Like nah, but also like I'll

830
00:38:30,000 --> 00:38:32,880
Speaker 1: be trying not to take opportunities to like this. Motherfuckers

831
00:38:32,880 --> 00:38:36,960
Speaker 1: are like add too much to the story. So like people, chances, whatever.

832
00:38:37,480 --> 00:38:38,320
Speaker 5: Genuinely just want to know.

833
00:38:39,760 --> 00:38:40,960
Speaker 1: I haven't talked to him in a long time, but

834
00:38:41,040 --> 00:38:43,880
Speaker 1: like you know what I'm saying, Like that's just that's people.

835
00:38:44,000 --> 00:38:46,160
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, would that be a conversation you'd want

836
00:38:46,200 --> 00:38:48,960
Speaker 4: to have once you know, everything gets a little less

837
00:38:48,960 --> 00:38:51,280
Speaker 4: busy after the release and.

838
00:38:53,320 --> 00:38:53,920
Speaker 3: A conversation.

839
00:38:53,960 --> 00:38:56,319
Speaker 1: So the way that I think about my world is

840
00:38:56,400 --> 00:38:59,480
Speaker 1: like i'd be thinking about my day, so like what

841
00:38:59,520 --> 00:39:01,360
Speaker 1: I got to do that day and what I'm working

842
00:39:01,360 --> 00:39:04,359
Speaker 1: on for the next two weeks, maybe six months, but

843
00:39:04,400 --> 00:39:06,640
Speaker 1: more likely what I'm just thinking about that day.

844
00:39:06,840 --> 00:39:08,000
Speaker 3: There's be a lot of shit going on.

845
00:39:08,440 --> 00:39:11,880
Speaker 1: So my relationships and how I view people as friends

846
00:39:11,880 --> 00:39:14,920
Speaker 1: and stuff is just have I loved this person? And

847
00:39:14,960 --> 00:39:19,200
Speaker 1: have they ever like, you know, willfully and intentionally betrayed me.

848
00:39:20,360 --> 00:39:23,640
Speaker 1: And so I got friends that I haven't talked to

849
00:39:23,760 --> 00:39:28,319
Speaker 1: in five or six seven years, and so it's like

850
00:39:28,400 --> 00:39:31,120
Speaker 1: it's not like I'm anticipating some conversations. I'm like thing

851
00:39:31,160 --> 00:39:33,400
Speaker 1: where it's like, all right, now, it's my time to

852
00:39:33,400 --> 00:39:35,319
Speaker 1: fix you and tell your ask what you've been tweaking on?

853
00:39:35,719 --> 00:39:41,120
Speaker 1: No ship like that? You know that's what that was

854
00:39:41,160 --> 00:39:42,000
Speaker 1: one of my co hosts.

855
00:39:42,520 --> 00:39:45,239
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying up to folks too, John

856
00:39:45,280 --> 00:39:46,759
Speaker 3: leg be trying to fix Kanye through Twitter.

857
00:39:47,440 --> 00:39:50,640
Speaker 2: You've got his number that ain't gonna work, That ain't

858
00:39:50,640 --> 00:39:52,400
Speaker 2: gonna get it, That ain't get it.

859
00:39:52,360 --> 00:39:54,960
Speaker 3: Like you know his address you could just go to man,

860
00:39:55,360 --> 00:39:55,799
Speaker 3: just pull up.

861
00:39:58,640 --> 00:40:00,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know what they got going on. Also,

862
00:40:00,280 --> 00:40:01,719
Speaker 1: a lot younger than them, niggas, like you know what

863
00:40:01,719 --> 00:40:04,160
Speaker 1: I'm saying. So I feel like there's also like different

864
00:40:04,160 --> 00:40:09,160
Speaker 1: ways that people can even have friendships because we're not

865
00:40:09,200 --> 00:40:12,120
Speaker 1: necessarily peers, you know what I'm saying, Like we you know,

866
00:40:12,200 --> 00:40:13,160
Speaker 1: like I I.

867
00:40:14,200 --> 00:40:15,440
Speaker 3: My first like.

868
00:40:17,200 --> 00:40:20,440
Speaker 1: Album that I consciously wanted to have was The College Dropout,

869
00:40:20,560 --> 00:40:25,040
Speaker 1: So I have a different reverence for him or or

870
00:40:25,200 --> 00:40:28,919
Speaker 1: just understanding of like how my life went and how

871
00:40:29,280 --> 00:40:31,840
Speaker 1: it influenced things I do. Like I think most rappers

872
00:40:31,880 --> 00:40:34,720
Speaker 1: got a rapper that was their first album and probably

873
00:40:34,719 --> 00:40:36,800
Speaker 1: from they city, you know what I'm saying. So imagine

874
00:40:36,800 --> 00:40:39,440
Speaker 1: if yours was Kanye West, right, so, and imagine if

875
00:40:39,440 --> 00:40:40,960
Speaker 1: you worked with them, and imagine all that shit. So

876
00:40:41,000 --> 00:40:45,239
Speaker 1: it's like for me, I think I just begin that,

877
00:40:45,960 --> 00:40:49,040
Speaker 1: you know, I let people be people. I always gonna

878
00:40:49,040 --> 00:40:52,200
Speaker 1: have my own opinions, and I'm gonna always state my opinions,

879
00:40:52,719 --> 00:40:54,479
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, Not necessarily on camera usually,

880
00:40:54,480 --> 00:40:57,359
Speaker 1: but like but like you know, for the most part,

881
00:40:57,400 --> 00:40:59,160
Speaker 1: I'm gonna just I'm just be me.

882
00:40:59,200 --> 00:41:01,719
Speaker 3: I'm let people be them.

883
00:41:00,880 --> 00:41:03,920
Speaker 1: And so no, there's not like a time where like

884
00:41:04,000 --> 00:41:06,520
Speaker 1: I'm like, man, I gotta make sure I hit up

885
00:41:06,560 --> 00:41:08,160
Speaker 1: Kanye before I put this album out, or after I

886
00:41:08,160 --> 00:41:10,239
Speaker 1: put this album out, or anybody, you know what I'm saying,

887
00:41:10,280 --> 00:41:11,879
Speaker 1: Like I'll be thinking about like who's in the rack

888
00:41:11,960 --> 00:41:13,440
Speaker 1: like who am I gonna hang out with today?

889
00:41:13,560 --> 00:41:15,720
Speaker 3: Who's going? What business do I have to do today?

890
00:41:16,520 --> 00:41:18,080
Speaker 3: Is more of my like Emma, I guess.

891
00:41:18,239 --> 00:41:20,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, listening to the album, I was happy to hear

892
00:41:21,760 --> 00:41:24,239
Speaker 2: Vic vic mint on that. Yeah, yes, because that was

893
00:41:24,280 --> 00:41:25,800
Speaker 2: one of the guys I was going to ask you about,

894
00:41:25,840 --> 00:41:29,000
Speaker 2: Like what's your relationship? Like obviously y'all working together. Yeah,

895
00:41:30,040 --> 00:41:32,200
Speaker 2: but over the years it's kind of been like you said,

896
00:41:32,200 --> 00:41:33,960
Speaker 2: I don't you have friends that you haven't spoken to

897
00:41:34,040 --> 00:41:34,919
Speaker 2: in five six years?

898
00:41:35,000 --> 00:41:35,200
Speaker 3: Yeah?

899
00:41:35,400 --> 00:41:36,520
Speaker 5: Was that what it was with Vic?

900
00:41:36,560 --> 00:41:39,160
Speaker 1: It's different because Vic me and Vic really really really

901
00:41:39,160 --> 00:41:41,600
Speaker 1: grew up together. Yeah, really did a lot of like

902
00:41:42,280 --> 00:41:44,799
Speaker 1: first time Vic was in the studio and maybe my

903
00:41:44,880 --> 00:41:46,680
Speaker 1: second time ever being in a studio, first time ever

904
00:41:46,719 --> 00:41:50,680
Speaker 1: actually being my session was together, like rapping together as

905
00:41:50,680 --> 00:41:55,040
Speaker 1: fourteen year olds, so like we super know each other,

906
00:41:55,320 --> 00:41:57,640
Speaker 1: so like we us falling out like we didn't been

907
00:41:57,719 --> 00:41:59,759
Speaker 1: jumped together like we had Like that's really my nigga.

908
00:41:59,840 --> 00:42:04,319
Speaker 1: So I think of I feel like our relationship we

909
00:42:04,880 --> 00:42:06,360
Speaker 1: randomly used to get into it.

910
00:42:06,400 --> 00:42:08,120
Speaker 3: Now we're both grown, we both got kids.

911
00:42:08,160 --> 00:42:12,160
Speaker 1: Like it's a different dynamic and a different sense of

912
00:42:12,320 --> 00:42:17,240
Speaker 1: urgency and understanding like, oh, my success is really your success,

913
00:42:17,239 --> 00:42:20,200
Speaker 1: and your success is really my success in a positive

914
00:42:20,239 --> 00:42:22,680
Speaker 1: way like we used to just you know, naturally we.

915
00:42:22,880 --> 00:42:24,640
Speaker 5: A lot of people would never admit that though. That's

916
00:42:24,640 --> 00:42:25,640
Speaker 5: dope that you just said.

917
00:42:25,480 --> 00:42:28,799
Speaker 1: That we it's like it's true, like we like when

918
00:42:28,880 --> 00:42:32,359
Speaker 1: Vic is when people are finally thinking of Vic, they

919
00:42:32,400 --> 00:42:34,320
Speaker 1: finally thinking of me, And when they finally think of me,

920
00:42:34,360 --> 00:42:36,520
Speaker 1: they finally thinking of Vict And we know each other

921
00:42:36,560 --> 00:42:38,200
Speaker 1: so well, been in so many of the same after

922
00:42:38,239 --> 00:42:42,840
Speaker 1: school programs and just being honest, and I've said this before,

923
00:42:43,960 --> 00:42:46,120
Speaker 1: like a lot of things that happened for me came

924
00:42:46,120 --> 00:42:49,759
Speaker 1: from a snowball effect of being a roadie for Kizzies Days.

925
00:42:49,840 --> 00:42:51,480
Speaker 1: Vic used to be in a band called Kizzies Days

926
00:42:51,480 --> 00:42:53,320
Speaker 1: in twenty twelve, and really.

927
00:42:53,200 --> 00:42:53,719
Speaker 3: No before that.

928
00:42:53,760 --> 00:42:55,840
Speaker 1: When we were in high school twenty ten, twenty eleven,

929
00:42:55,880 --> 00:42:58,640
Speaker 1: twenty twelve, there was a band called Kizzies Days and

930
00:42:59,560 --> 00:43:03,200
Speaker 1: it was Nico Sagall, who's like one of my producers,

931
00:43:03,200 --> 00:43:06,800
Speaker 1: one of my best friends still to this day. Liam, everybody,

932
00:43:06,800 --> 00:43:08,360
Speaker 1: it's nine people in the spand so I gues shut

933
00:43:08,239 --> 00:43:11,719
Speaker 1: out everybody, Maycy shout out, May see everybody, Greg, who's

934
00:43:11,719 --> 00:43:13,600
Speaker 1: still you know what I'm saying, plays drums for me

935
00:43:13,600 --> 00:43:17,480
Speaker 1: and was one of my producers. But we all grew

936
00:43:17,520 --> 00:43:19,799
Speaker 1: up together. They started getting on They was like on

937
00:43:19,880 --> 00:43:22,200
Speaker 1: Conan O'Brien. They was doing south By Southwest. We in

938
00:43:22,280 --> 00:43:23,759
Speaker 1: high school, by the way, you know what I'm saying.

939
00:43:23,800 --> 00:43:26,840
Speaker 1: So like Vic used to let me come in like

940
00:43:26,960 --> 00:43:28,880
Speaker 1: help set up shit. But then he'd put me on

941
00:43:28,960 --> 00:43:31,080
Speaker 1: stage four verse for a song that I wasn't even

942
00:43:31,080 --> 00:43:32,279
Speaker 1: on their recorded version of.

943
00:43:32,320 --> 00:43:33,319
Speaker 3: But I'll come and do a verse.

944
00:43:33,760 --> 00:43:37,680
Speaker 1: And I got you know, my my first person that

945
00:43:37,719 --> 00:43:40,680
Speaker 1: I worked with who was my publicist, he was he

946
00:43:40,760 --> 00:43:43,480
Speaker 1: was their publishers. He saw me perform and he suggested

947
00:43:43,560 --> 00:43:47,560
Speaker 1: me go on tour as a as a feeling opener

948
00:43:47,640 --> 00:43:50,239
Speaker 1: for Donald Glover, and that really took a lot of

949
00:43:50,239 --> 00:43:52,600
Speaker 1: things off. So Vic put me in position in a

950
00:43:52,640 --> 00:43:55,439
Speaker 1: lot of ways when we were younger to like have

951
00:43:55,640 --> 00:43:58,400
Speaker 1: big moments. Yeah, and you know, and I did the

952
00:43:58,400 --> 00:44:00,200
Speaker 1: same thing for him. But then we were also have

953
00:44:00,239 --> 00:44:01,879
Speaker 1: like little moments where like you know what I'm saying,

954
00:44:01,920 --> 00:44:03,960
Speaker 1: I don't know, we just like we'll snake each other,

955
00:44:04,040 --> 00:44:05,840
Speaker 1: I guess, like just being honest, Fred.

956
00:44:07,440 --> 00:44:09,799
Speaker 4: The balance of you do something for me, I'll do

957
00:44:09,840 --> 00:44:11,920
Speaker 4: something for you when I'm hotter at the moment, you

958
00:44:11,920 --> 00:44:12,600
Speaker 4: out of at the moment.

959
00:44:12,680 --> 00:44:15,359
Speaker 5: Well not snake shit because friends don't do snake shit.

960
00:44:15,640 --> 00:44:17,080
Speaker 1: Well we niggas, you know what I'm saying. Like we

961
00:44:17,120 --> 00:44:19,040
Speaker 1: was like we like also you got to know, like

962
00:44:20,840 --> 00:44:22,360
Speaker 1: I'm love you know what I'm saying. I was a

963
00:44:22,640 --> 00:44:25,600
Speaker 1: I'm really from Chicago and I really used to just

964
00:44:25,640 --> 00:44:29,840
Speaker 1: be running around so like we like in terms of

965
00:44:29,880 --> 00:44:32,480
Speaker 1: homies doing snake shit, like you know what I'm saying,

966
00:44:32,560 --> 00:44:34,800
Speaker 1: Like Chicago is the king of that shit, Like you

967
00:44:34,840 --> 00:44:37,640
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, Like for real, So like I'm

968
00:44:37,840 --> 00:44:43,799
Speaker 1: just saying, like it's it's just about like how you

969
00:44:43,840 --> 00:44:46,760
Speaker 1: grow through that shit and what like I guess ultimately

970
00:44:46,760 --> 00:44:48,560
Speaker 1: decisions you make. So there were times where we wasn't

971
00:44:48,600 --> 00:44:50,520
Speaker 1: really on the same page, we wasn't talking as much.

972
00:44:50,880 --> 00:44:53,680
Speaker 1: And then really, I would say around twenty twenty two

973
00:44:55,400 --> 00:44:58,440
Speaker 1: into twenty twenty two, me and Vic started getting closer,

974
00:44:58,480 --> 00:45:02,400
Speaker 1: started recording the together more and doing different stuff and.

975
00:45:02,080 --> 00:45:03,160
Speaker 3: Who reached out to who.

976
00:45:05,040 --> 00:45:08,040
Speaker 1: I reached out to Vic. What happened was now I'm

977
00:45:08,080 --> 00:45:11,759
Speaker 1: remembering everything. It's so crazy. I had a dinner where

978
00:45:11,800 --> 00:45:15,920
Speaker 1: I invited all my people that I that have supported

979
00:45:15,960 --> 00:45:19,279
Speaker 1: me in Chicago that are like real people that I've

980
00:45:19,320 --> 00:45:21,080
Speaker 1: known since I was a kid, but have you know,

981
00:45:21,160 --> 00:45:26,560
Speaker 1: also got successful. Yeah, Joe fresh Goods, my homegirl Mary mckem,

982
00:45:26,560 --> 00:45:28,800
Speaker 1: who runs saft. Shit, we were all kids and the

983
00:45:28,840 --> 00:45:30,520
Speaker 1: shit Joe's a little bit older than us, but like

984
00:45:31,520 --> 00:45:35,799
Speaker 1: we all like kind of you know, around I not

985
00:45:35,840 --> 00:45:37,319
Speaker 1: to do my own horn, but around the time between

986
00:45:37,360 --> 00:45:39,360
Speaker 1: as rab and Color and Book Chicago, you know what

987
00:45:39,360 --> 00:45:41,360
Speaker 1: I'm saying, And that's also because of so many artists,

988
00:45:41,400 --> 00:45:42,759
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, releasing at the same time.

989
00:45:42,800 --> 00:45:45,719
Speaker 1: But in this time period, a lot of artists and

990
00:45:45,760 --> 00:45:49,799
Speaker 1: a lot of like adjacent you know, you know, creatives

991
00:45:50,239 --> 00:45:53,319
Speaker 1: all had this big surge and we all, you know,

992
00:45:53,480 --> 00:45:55,759
Speaker 1: grew from that. And so I called up all the

993
00:45:55,760 --> 00:45:58,600
Speaker 1: people that I knew, I had worked with, that had

994
00:45:58,640 --> 00:46:00,319
Speaker 1: supported me in the past, and was like, y'all, I'm

995
00:46:00,320 --> 00:46:02,200
Speaker 1: about to start working on the project. It's crazy that

996
00:46:02,200 --> 00:46:05,160
Speaker 1: that was five years ago now. But one of the

997
00:46:05,160 --> 00:46:07,200
Speaker 1: people that I reached out to was Vic because it's like,

998
00:46:07,440 --> 00:46:10,600
Speaker 1: I do my best versus when I know I have

999
00:46:10,640 --> 00:46:12,839
Speaker 1: to go against you on a song, and I would

1000
00:46:12,880 --> 00:46:16,239
Speaker 1: love to like just have your discipline What Vic has

1001
00:46:16,280 --> 00:46:19,080
Speaker 1: that I don't necessarily always have is he's a very

1002
00:46:19,080 --> 00:46:22,759
Speaker 1: disciplined This nigga meditates like he does certain things. That's like,

1003
00:46:23,320 --> 00:46:25,759
Speaker 1: since we were kids, that was just always weird to me.

1004
00:46:26,120 --> 00:46:29,640
Speaker 1: And when now we're old, I'm just being honest, and

1005
00:46:29,640 --> 00:46:30,719
Speaker 1: now we're older, and now I'm like.

1006
00:46:30,760 --> 00:46:32,439
Speaker 3: I wish I had that discipline.

1007
00:46:32,680 --> 00:46:36,480
Speaker 1: And so me and Vic started like we would take

1008
00:46:37,080 --> 00:46:39,279
Speaker 1: trips out to La together and just like be at

1009
00:46:39,320 --> 00:46:40,920
Speaker 1: this house that I was running there and just be

1010
00:46:41,040 --> 00:46:44,040
Speaker 1: making songs, making songs, making songs. So my newest single

1011
00:46:44,120 --> 00:46:47,439
Speaker 1: tree is from a session in like twenty twenty two

1012
00:46:48,160 --> 00:46:51,399
Speaker 1: with Smino or Smino came through the crib and kicked

1013
00:46:51,400 --> 00:46:53,160
Speaker 1: it with me, and Vic brought his producer groove. They

1014
00:46:53,239 --> 00:46:55,399
Speaker 1: just played through some beats and me and and Vick

1015
00:46:55,560 --> 00:46:57,279
Speaker 1: is just like pick beats, like pig beats and right,

1016
00:46:57,360 --> 00:46:59,319
Speaker 1: pick beats and right like we grew up in this

1017
00:46:59,360 --> 00:47:02,560
Speaker 1: program all young Chicago authors when we was kids, and

1018
00:47:02,600 --> 00:47:05,640
Speaker 1: we used to have prompts and you basically come to

1019
00:47:05,760 --> 00:47:07,640
Speaker 1: the after school program. You get to chill for a

1020
00:47:07,680 --> 00:47:10,319
Speaker 1: second and then they gather everybody at this table and

1021
00:47:10,360 --> 00:47:12,280
Speaker 1: they like, okay, these are the two prompts for today,

1022
00:47:12,280 --> 00:47:16,960
Speaker 1: it's either you know, speak from speak from the viewpoint

1023
00:47:17,080 --> 00:47:19,760
Speaker 1: of you know, a chair that got left in the attic,

1024
00:47:20,080 --> 00:47:23,799
Speaker 1: or you know, tell us your tell us your deepest feet.

1025
00:47:23,880 --> 00:47:25,520
Speaker 1: And these those are weak ass prompts. I'm not a

1026
00:47:25,560 --> 00:47:27,480
Speaker 1: real teacher, you know what I'm saying. But like we

1027
00:47:27,520 --> 00:47:29,399
Speaker 1: grew up in this program where we used to have

1028
00:47:29,480 --> 00:47:31,560
Speaker 1: fifteen minutes to write either a poem or a rap

1029
00:47:31,640 --> 00:47:33,800
Speaker 1: or whatever to this thing and then get on stage

1030
00:47:33,840 --> 00:47:34,200
Speaker 1: in front of.

1031
00:47:34,160 --> 00:47:35,960
Speaker 3: Our piers and have to spit that shit.

1032
00:47:36,440 --> 00:47:39,120
Speaker 1: And so Vic brought it back to that really like

1033
00:47:39,200 --> 00:47:40,719
Speaker 1: Vic was like, we need to do prompts, like we

1034
00:47:40,800 --> 00:47:43,200
Speaker 1: need to be that and I'm not one hundred.

1035
00:47:42,920 --> 00:47:43,600
Speaker 3: Percent correct on that.

1036
00:47:43,600 --> 00:47:45,600
Speaker 1: That's Vic and Ajimoney, who was also in a lot

1037
00:47:45,640 --> 00:47:46,560
Speaker 1: of those programs with me.

1038
00:47:46,600 --> 00:47:49,480
Speaker 3: So we just spent time like writing.

1039
00:47:49,600 --> 00:47:52,920
Speaker 1: And then the thing that really changed everything was at

1040
00:47:52,920 --> 00:47:55,120
Speaker 1: the end of that year when I was first starting

1041
00:47:55,160 --> 00:47:57,320
Speaker 1: to kind of just like feel like I was having trouble,

1042
00:47:57,400 --> 00:47:59,319
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, like personal life, like just

1043
00:47:59,360 --> 00:48:03,680
Speaker 1: going through things. I had Vic, because he's Vica is Ghanaan.

1044
00:48:03,719 --> 00:48:07,160
Speaker 1: He's half Ghanaan, so he's been going to Ghana since

1045
00:48:07,160 --> 00:48:08,840
Speaker 1: we were kids. And now I don't know if y'all know,

1046
00:48:08,880 --> 00:48:11,480
Speaker 1: but like Gona's like popping Ghana kind of looks like

1047
00:48:11,920 --> 00:48:13,719
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. Like there, it's like it's

1048
00:48:13,760 --> 00:48:16,399
Speaker 1: like they got some shit going. So it's like I'm

1049
00:48:16,400 --> 00:48:19,719
Speaker 1: seeing what I'm saying, bros in Africa doing And that's

1050
00:48:19,760 --> 00:48:21,640
Speaker 1: back when my mind was like Africa, you know what

1051
00:48:21,680 --> 00:48:23,920
Speaker 1: I'm saying. Like now I'm much more educated. I understand

1052
00:48:23,920 --> 00:48:26,080
Speaker 1: a lot of things I didn't understand. But I'm like,

1053
00:48:26,160 --> 00:48:29,200
Speaker 1: damn me in Africa lit as fuck, like and I'm

1054
00:48:29,200 --> 00:48:31,839
Speaker 1: here going through depression or whatever the fuck this shit

1055
00:48:31,920 --> 00:48:34,440
Speaker 1: feels like, And I just hit him like, bro, I

1056
00:48:34,520 --> 00:48:36,239
Speaker 1: just need to come out there, like and so I

1057
00:48:36,280 --> 00:48:38,480
Speaker 1: went out there just me, no security, Me and my

1058
00:48:38,520 --> 00:48:42,040
Speaker 1: homie Peter Cottontail, who produces most of my music, went

1059
00:48:42,080 --> 00:48:44,479
Speaker 1: out there dolo like three days from when he said

1060
00:48:44,560 --> 00:48:50,080
Speaker 1: yes popped up And that really like shaped a lot

1061
00:48:50,120 --> 00:48:50,840
Speaker 1: of the project.

1062
00:48:51,000 --> 00:48:52,800
Speaker 3: It was other outside factors.

1063
00:48:52,400 --> 00:48:54,560
Speaker 1: My grandmother having a phone call with me that made

1064
00:48:54,600 --> 00:48:57,720
Speaker 1: me like really understand a lot of like my purpose

1065
00:48:57,760 --> 00:48:59,960
Speaker 1: as a writer or who what lineage I come from?

1066
00:49:00,320 --> 00:49:00,879
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying.

1067
00:49:00,920 --> 00:49:03,040
Speaker 1: Meeting but a lot of the things that happened in

1068
00:49:03,120 --> 00:49:07,080
Speaker 1: Ghana that even like connected to my grandmother, Like if

1069
00:49:07,120 --> 00:49:11,239
Speaker 1: I didn't go out there with with Vic, like a

1070
00:49:11,239 --> 00:49:14,080
Speaker 1: lot of the direction came from that, like the use

1071
00:49:14,080 --> 00:49:18,560
Speaker 1: of visual arts, the connecting, the diaspora, the you know,

1072
00:49:18,800 --> 00:49:21,360
Speaker 1: the the you know. I had learned right before I

1073
00:49:21,360 --> 00:49:25,440
Speaker 1: got out there that my family had a history of

1074
00:49:25,960 --> 00:49:29,400
Speaker 1: Garvyites and people that followed Marcus Garvey and they was

1075
00:49:29,400 --> 00:49:33,920
Speaker 1: all on some like on some Black Starshit and so

1076
00:49:34,360 --> 00:49:36,840
Speaker 1: when you know, and I fucked with Black Star with

1077
00:49:36,920 --> 00:49:38,600
Speaker 1: most definite quality. But I don't know nothing that I

1078
00:49:38,640 --> 00:49:40,160
Speaker 1: didn't learn nothing from that show. When I was I

1079
00:49:40,200 --> 00:49:42,399
Speaker 1: was hearing that as a kid, so I really didn't

1080
00:49:42,400 --> 00:49:44,480
Speaker 1: know what they was talking about. And right before I

1081
00:49:44,480 --> 00:49:46,279
Speaker 1: went to Ghana, my grandmother called me and had this

1082
00:49:46,360 --> 00:49:48,840
Speaker 1: long talk with me about how important it is to

1083
00:49:48,880 --> 00:49:52,600
Speaker 1: tell the truth about our histories and don't wait till

1084
00:49:52,600 --> 00:49:55,320
Speaker 1: my daughters are too old to like give them the

1085
00:49:56,160 --> 00:49:58,360
Speaker 1: you know, some of the harsh realities of the world,

1086
00:49:58,360 --> 00:49:59,480
Speaker 1: and just like this whole thing.

1087
00:50:00,000 --> 00:50:01,720
Speaker 3: And then I'm like, when did you get so radical?

1088
00:50:01,760 --> 00:50:02,800
Speaker 1: She was like, well, I used to you know what

1089
00:50:02,840 --> 00:50:04,840
Speaker 1: I'm saying, be with stokely Carmichael and I used to

1090
00:50:04,840 --> 00:50:06,000
Speaker 1: be with this and I used to be with that.

1091
00:50:06,120 --> 00:50:08,239
Speaker 1: I'm like, damn, And she's like, oh, you don't know,

1092
00:50:08,320 --> 00:50:11,799
Speaker 1: like going all the way back to this. Somehow it

1093
00:50:11,840 --> 00:50:13,640
Speaker 1: got said that I was going to Ghana, and when

1094
00:50:13,680 --> 00:50:15,239
Speaker 1: I said that, she was like, you know, your whole

1095
00:50:15,239 --> 00:50:17,120
Speaker 1: family been going to Ghana since the seventies. You know

1096
00:50:17,160 --> 00:50:19,520
Speaker 1: that we, like your great grandmother started one of the

1097
00:50:19,520 --> 00:50:24,680
Speaker 1: first black churches in or first Church of Gods in

1098
00:50:25,719 --> 00:50:26,320
Speaker 1: West Africa.

1099
00:50:26,360 --> 00:50:28,160
Speaker 3: Did you know this? This? This? This, this? So I'm like,

1100
00:50:28,520 --> 00:50:29,320
Speaker 3: are we connected?

1101
00:50:29,440 --> 00:50:31,680
Speaker 1: Like now I'm not feeling like I'm going somewhere foreign

1102
00:50:31,760 --> 00:50:35,240
Speaker 1: now I really feel it's like, you know, this connection

1103
00:50:35,360 --> 00:50:38,480
Speaker 1: and a recent one. Not like I'm being honest with you.

1104
00:50:39,520 --> 00:50:41,959
Speaker 1: I'm gonna say, I'm be honest with you. I still

1105
00:50:41,960 --> 00:50:44,600
Speaker 1: ain't never went to the slave castles. You know, that's

1106
00:50:44,640 --> 00:50:47,920
Speaker 1: like a big thing when black folks, when African American

1107
00:50:47,960 --> 00:50:49,719
Speaker 1: folks go there.

1108
00:50:49,760 --> 00:50:53,239
Speaker 3: It's like it's like a tourism thing, you know what

1109
00:50:53,280 --> 00:50:53,680
Speaker 3: I'm saying.

1110
00:50:53,800 --> 00:50:58,160
Speaker 1: And people have told me that it has this profound unity,

1111
00:50:58,760 --> 00:51:01,640
Speaker 1: like physical reaction into it. I begin I don't want

1112
00:51:01,640 --> 00:51:07,400
Speaker 1: that ship, like I'll be watching the color purple for fun.

1113
00:51:05,520 --> 00:51:15,160
Speaker 3: I don't watch The Killer Purple if I need to, but.

1114
00:51:15,160 --> 00:51:19,520
Speaker 1: Like I'm getting that, I'm learning all this recent history

1115
00:51:19,560 --> 00:51:22,600
Speaker 1: about the dude that made Ghana free, the guy that, like,

1116
00:51:22,680 --> 00:51:24,799
Speaker 1: so Ghana is the first country in Africa to not

1117
00:51:25,040 --> 00:51:28,000
Speaker 1: have colonialism, to kick the British out, and they did

1118
00:51:28,000 --> 00:51:31,120
Speaker 1: it with this dude Kwame and Krumer who became their

1119
00:51:31,120 --> 00:51:34,840
Speaker 1: first president and he was on some Garviism ship. So

1120
00:51:34,880 --> 00:51:36,520
Speaker 1: that's why they got the black star and they flag,

1121
00:51:36,560 --> 00:51:38,080
Speaker 1: and so I'm looking at all these connections.

1122
00:51:38,080 --> 00:51:40,360
Speaker 3: I'm like, damn, this is a lot of stuff speaking

1123
00:51:40,400 --> 00:51:40,640
Speaker 3: to me.

1124
00:51:41,360 --> 00:51:43,960
Speaker 1: And I got to figure out a way to like

1125
00:51:45,160 --> 00:51:47,840
Speaker 1: to to tell the story to platform what I'm learning.

1126
00:51:48,760 --> 00:51:50,440
Speaker 1: And then I'm like, I'm dumb as hell. I'm a

1127
00:51:50,440 --> 00:51:56,319
Speaker 1: whole rapper, Like let me learn, let me collaborate, let

1128
00:51:56,360 --> 00:51:59,759
Speaker 1: me grow in this time and continue to produce work.

1129
00:51:59,840 --> 00:52:02,399
Speaker 1: So the whole time I'm doing that, I'm dropping some

1130
00:52:02,480 --> 00:52:04,600
Speaker 1: of my greatest music. I think the Highs and the

1131
00:52:04,600 --> 00:52:06,080
Speaker 1: Lows is one of my greatest songs. I haven't made

1132
00:52:06,120 --> 00:52:08,399
Speaker 1: that sounds like four years old, five three years old now,

1133
00:52:08,719 --> 00:52:12,960
Speaker 1: but like I still feel like I made that in

1134
00:52:13,000 --> 00:52:15,040
Speaker 1: this vein of like this road that I was going on,

1135
00:52:15,120 --> 00:52:17,799
Speaker 1: the same thing with y'all know, same thing with you know,

1136
00:52:17,920 --> 00:52:22,080
Speaker 1: the Vulnerability and uh three three three three, Like there's

1137
00:52:22,120 --> 00:52:25,720
Speaker 1: all these songs that like kind of you know, kept

1138
00:52:26,160 --> 00:52:29,799
Speaker 1: checking in with my fans as I was growing, but

1139
00:52:29,960 --> 00:52:32,480
Speaker 1: still taking the time to like craft something that they

1140
00:52:32,480 --> 00:52:32,799
Speaker 1: could hear.

1141
00:52:32,840 --> 00:52:33,239
Speaker 3: That's new.

1142
00:52:33,440 --> 00:52:36,000
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean you brought up the conversation with your

1143
00:52:36,000 --> 00:52:38,680
Speaker 4: grandmother and her saying you have to give harsh truths

1144
00:52:38,719 --> 00:52:40,360
Speaker 4: to your daughter's right away. Is that where some of

1145
00:52:40,400 --> 00:52:44,160
Speaker 4: the energy went into with Letter from Chance, which is

1146
00:52:45,400 --> 00:52:48,000
Speaker 4: you know, not unexpected. You and I talked off Mike

1147
00:52:48,120 --> 00:52:50,160
Speaker 4: on Texas. You know, I grew up Irish Catholic, which

1148
00:52:50,160 --> 00:52:51,240
Speaker 4: I've talked on this pot about.

1149
00:52:51,280 --> 00:52:53,200
Speaker 3: My mother was my Sunday school teacher.

1150
00:52:53,320 --> 00:52:56,920
Speaker 4: Yeah, super Irish Catholic, and I've had reservations where I

1151
00:52:57,040 --> 00:52:59,920
Speaker 4: went and studied other religions, tried to find other denominations

1152
00:53:00,280 --> 00:53:02,520
Speaker 4: just because it was a very weird experience once I

1153
00:53:02,560 --> 00:53:05,960
Speaker 4: got a little older. Yeah, being that you have had

1154
00:53:05,960 --> 00:53:08,120
Speaker 4: I wouldn't even say the stereotype, but you have obviously

1155
00:53:08,160 --> 00:53:12,000
Speaker 4: that gospel in your music since acid rap. Yeah, it's

1156
00:53:12,160 --> 00:53:15,560
Speaker 4: it's how did you feel putting that record?

1157
00:53:15,600 --> 00:53:15,920
Speaker 3: Together.

1158
00:53:16,000 --> 00:53:18,879
Speaker 4: That doesn't contradict because I just think it's reality of

1159
00:53:19,000 --> 00:53:21,760
Speaker 4: the church. But saying those things and kind of airing out.

1160
00:53:22,040 --> 00:53:25,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's hard putting it out. I would say it

1161
00:53:25,200 --> 00:53:28,560
Speaker 1: was harder than writing it, but actually that's not true.

1162
00:53:28,640 --> 00:53:31,080
Speaker 1: I felt I do remember like there was what's funny

1163
00:53:31,120 --> 00:53:34,000
Speaker 1: about me? And I found out that like other like

1164
00:53:34,040 --> 00:53:35,680
Speaker 1: some of my peers don't do this. But I'll be

1165
00:53:35,760 --> 00:53:38,040
Speaker 1: coming up with concepts long before I have the version

1166
00:53:38,080 --> 00:53:40,560
Speaker 1: of the song. And sometimes I'll make three versions of

1167
00:53:40,560 --> 00:53:43,920
Speaker 1: one concept over completely different kind of beats, whole new words,

1168
00:53:43,920 --> 00:53:46,440
Speaker 1: still the same thing I'm trying to get across, just

1169
00:53:46,480 --> 00:53:50,560
Speaker 1: maybe a different way. And when I like, one of

1170
00:53:50,640 --> 00:53:53,240
Speaker 1: the things that greatly inspired me when I was making

1171
00:53:53,239 --> 00:53:55,560
Speaker 1: this project, being honest, even before I went to Ghana,

1172
00:53:55,760 --> 00:53:59,719
Speaker 1: was reading this dude named James Khne and James Cone.

1173
00:53:59,719 --> 00:54:02,680
Speaker 1: Basic is like he's a what do they call him,

1174
00:54:02,719 --> 00:54:07,879
Speaker 1: a theologist, A theologian, I don't know, theology theologist that

1175
00:54:08,360 --> 00:54:11,759
Speaker 1: in the sixties that was like he invented what they

1176
00:54:11,800 --> 00:54:17,640
Speaker 1: call black liberation theology. And so it's basically a you know,

1177
00:54:17,719 --> 00:54:20,480
Speaker 1: everybody that's a pastor, any of your pastors for the

1178
00:54:20,520 --> 00:54:24,520
Speaker 1: most part, unless they were grandfathered in, they went to seminary,

1179
00:54:24,560 --> 00:54:26,799
Speaker 1: they went to school, and just like when you go

1180
00:54:26,880 --> 00:54:30,000
Speaker 1: to college, you pick a master, you pick like a

1181
00:54:30,040 --> 00:54:32,600
Speaker 1: certain study. It's going to come from a certain lens

1182
00:54:32,600 --> 00:54:35,280
Speaker 1: and have a certain principle. So all of these different

1183
00:54:36,320 --> 00:54:41,600
Speaker 1: not just denominations, but also all of these different theologies

1184
00:54:41,719 --> 00:54:44,040
Speaker 1: come from how they learned the Bible and who taught

1185
00:54:44,040 --> 00:54:46,240
Speaker 1: it to them. What's the most important thing? Is it,

1186
00:54:46,320 --> 00:54:48,120
Speaker 1: you know, a gospel of long suffering? Is it a

1187
00:54:48,160 --> 00:54:51,239
Speaker 1: gospel of forgiveness? Is it a gospel of evangelism? Is

1188
00:54:51,280 --> 00:54:53,120
Speaker 1: it a gospel of what's the one that they got

1189
00:54:53,120 --> 00:54:56,279
Speaker 1: on TV? Prosperity gospel? Is it about the riches that

1190
00:54:56,320 --> 00:55:00,719
Speaker 1: you could obtain in this life? Joe Olstein with facts zoologists,

1191
00:55:00,800 --> 00:55:02,040
Speaker 1: there's a lot.

1192
00:55:01,960 --> 00:55:04,560
Speaker 3: Of like that's a capitalist, That's what I'm saying. But

1193
00:55:04,600 --> 00:55:05,600
Speaker 3: that's that is what it is.

1194
00:55:05,640 --> 00:55:08,920
Speaker 1: That's literally But but I'm not going I'm not trying

1195
00:55:08,960 --> 00:55:12,440
Speaker 1: to do nobody seology. What I'm saying is like I

1196
00:55:12,480 --> 00:55:15,800
Speaker 1: first started learning about black liberation theology because my grandmother

1197
00:55:15,880 --> 00:55:18,879
Speaker 1: got me this book and it's basically this dude who

1198
00:55:19,160 --> 00:55:21,799
Speaker 1: at the time was young, he was a theologist that

1199
00:55:22,000 --> 00:55:25,439
Speaker 1: was friends with Stokely Carmichael, Malcolm Max Martin, Luther King.

1200
00:55:25,880 --> 00:55:28,920
Speaker 1: Right at the turn of this like new you know,

1201
00:55:29,080 --> 00:55:31,520
Speaker 1: when they made Black Sail Out, I'm Black and I'm proud,

1202
00:55:31,560 --> 00:55:33,920
Speaker 1: Like that was super radical, Like niggas did not want

1203
00:55:33,920 --> 00:55:35,400
Speaker 1: to be called black at that time, you know what

1204
00:55:35,440 --> 00:55:38,240
Speaker 1: I'm saying. So, like black people go through these different

1205
00:55:38,640 --> 00:55:41,799
Speaker 1: you know, sort of revolutions and identity of being like,

1206
00:55:42,120 --> 00:55:44,000
Speaker 1: oh no, we're not niggas no more. Oh no, we're

1207
00:55:44,040 --> 00:55:45,760
Speaker 1: not colored people no more. Oh no, we're not African

1208
00:55:45,800 --> 00:55:48,080
Speaker 1: American noma. Oh no, we're not Afro American no more.

1209
00:55:48,120 --> 00:55:51,239
Speaker 1: Oh no, we not you know, negroes whatever. Like But

1210
00:55:51,480 --> 00:55:54,239
Speaker 1: but that's an important thing. Self determination is like a

1211
00:55:54,280 --> 00:55:56,560
Speaker 1: part of living, like you want to be identify how

1212
00:55:56,560 --> 00:56:00,120
Speaker 1: you see yourself. And when James Brown, like black back

1213
00:56:00,160 --> 00:56:03,200
Speaker 1: power basically came out as like a like a thing

1214
00:56:03,280 --> 00:56:05,440
Speaker 1: niggas were screaming at rallies that had people just as

1215
00:56:05,440 --> 00:56:07,880
Speaker 1: scared as Black Lives Matter, or it's not more scared

1216
00:56:07,880 --> 00:56:10,040
Speaker 1: because it's a response to white power.

1217
00:56:10,320 --> 00:56:11,960
Speaker 3: So they like, oh, which you mean black power?

1218
00:56:12,320 --> 00:56:14,880
Speaker 1: Like, so when James Brown did that, it kind of

1219
00:56:14,880 --> 00:56:17,799
Speaker 1: like changed the whole culture and how a lot of

1220
00:56:17,800 --> 00:56:21,520
Speaker 1: people talked about everything like, oh, we could be proud

1221
00:56:21,560 --> 00:56:24,520
Speaker 1: to be black, which is at this time basically like

1222
00:56:25,000 --> 00:56:27,880
Speaker 1: the N word, Like we could be proud to be that. Okay,

1223
00:56:28,200 --> 00:56:30,480
Speaker 1: that shit starts to reverberate in all these other different

1224
00:56:30,480 --> 00:56:33,840
Speaker 1: spaces and in the world of like the black churches

1225
00:56:33,880 --> 00:56:36,839
Speaker 1: which are now starting to organize with King starting to

1226
00:56:36,920 --> 00:56:40,880
Speaker 1: you know, the mosque in Chicago's starting to organize with Malcolm.

1227
00:56:41,320 --> 00:56:45,600
Speaker 1: This dude comes starts writing these books, one called Black Liberation,

1228
00:56:46,080 --> 00:56:50,600
Speaker 1: Black Power, and Black Theology, one called The Crossing the

1229
00:56:50,680 --> 00:56:53,920
Speaker 1: Lynching Tree, which was the one that really like it

1230
00:56:54,040 --> 00:56:56,120
Speaker 1: is kind of like gave me the basis for a

1231
00:56:56,200 --> 00:56:58,600
Speaker 1: lot of the album, but he just made me like

1232
00:56:58,760 --> 00:57:01,440
Speaker 1: start to read the gospel in a different understanding and

1233
00:57:01,480 --> 00:57:05,319
Speaker 1: different like you know, sense of self and self determination.

1234
00:57:05,600 --> 00:57:09,400
Speaker 1: And so that song was like something that I knew

1235
00:57:10,239 --> 00:57:13,399
Speaker 1: I needed to, Like, if I'm talking about all these

1236
00:57:13,440 --> 00:57:16,760
Speaker 1: different aspects of my black experience and what I see

1237
00:57:16,760 --> 00:57:18,120
Speaker 1: in the world and what I see wrong and what

1238
00:57:18,160 --> 00:57:21,520
Speaker 1: I see right, and how I see myself, how could

1239
00:57:21,520 --> 00:57:23,880
Speaker 1: I not speak on the church right? And I got

1240
00:57:23,880 --> 00:57:25,880
Speaker 1: to speak on it at large and as small. So

1241
00:57:25,920 --> 00:57:28,520
Speaker 1: the first verse is about my own family church, and

1242
00:57:28,640 --> 00:57:32,520
Speaker 1: just how I've watched my church, you know, essentially whither

1243
00:57:32,880 --> 00:57:39,200
Speaker 1: because of certain politics of certain you know, just how people.

1244
00:57:38,960 --> 00:57:39,560
Speaker 3: Treat each other.

1245
00:57:39,600 --> 00:57:41,000
Speaker 1: And I'm not trying to like I ain't trying to

1246
00:57:41,040 --> 00:57:42,480
Speaker 1: put my church on blast, you know what I'm saying,

1247
00:57:42,520 --> 00:57:45,120
Speaker 1: But I have to come from the internal first before

1248
00:57:45,160 --> 00:57:47,320
Speaker 1: I could be talking about other people. So I talk

1249
00:57:47,360 --> 00:57:49,360
Speaker 1: about my church a little bit in the verse. Then

1250
00:57:49,400 --> 00:57:51,080
Speaker 1: the second verse, I talk about the megachurches.

1251
00:57:51,120 --> 00:57:51,920
Speaker 3: I talk about the.

1252
00:57:51,960 --> 00:57:55,200
Speaker 1: Joe Losteins and the people that denied shelter to people

1253
00:57:55,200 --> 00:57:57,440
Speaker 1: when they have mega stadiums, and the people that, you

1254
00:57:57,440 --> 00:58:01,480
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, other mega church asters that would

1255
00:58:01,560 --> 00:58:03,240
Speaker 1: you know, spit in their hand and put in on

1256
00:58:03,280 --> 00:58:06,680
Speaker 1: somebody's face as a demonstration. Like I'm seeing these things

1257
00:58:06,960 --> 00:58:10,520
Speaker 1: that contradict with other things that they do, and it's

1258
00:58:10,840 --> 00:58:13,240
Speaker 1: a It's not an issue with the person at all.

1259
00:58:13,440 --> 00:58:16,480
Speaker 1: It's about the action and like what does it mean

1260
00:58:16,560 --> 00:58:19,200
Speaker 1: to be the body of Christ? So I'm examining that

1261
00:58:19,240 --> 00:58:21,360
Speaker 1: for those two verses, and then the third verse, I

1262
00:58:21,600 --> 00:58:23,600
Speaker 1: talk about the Black Church and talk about the things

1263
00:58:23,640 --> 00:58:26,760
Speaker 1: that we've seen happen. We know that they bombed four

1264
00:58:26,760 --> 00:58:28,720
Speaker 1: little girls in a church. We know that, just as

1265
00:58:28,720 --> 00:58:31,320
Speaker 1: recently a couple of years ago, a man walked into

1266
00:58:31,400 --> 00:58:33,640
Speaker 1: a church in Buffalo and killed these innocent, none people

1267
00:58:33,680 --> 00:58:37,000
Speaker 1: that's praying so and we know you know that they

1268
00:58:37,160 --> 00:58:40,120
Speaker 1: used to the people that were doing lynchions. If you've

1269
00:58:40,120 --> 00:58:41,760
Speaker 1: got to if you got any of those photos or

1270
00:58:41,800 --> 00:58:43,680
Speaker 1: the lynchons, if you turn the camera the other way,

1271
00:58:44,040 --> 00:58:48,760
Speaker 1: it's the entire church congregation that's putting on this public lynching. Right, So,

1272
00:58:49,600 --> 00:58:52,920
Speaker 1: at what point do we the black church which does exist,

1273
00:58:53,280 --> 00:58:55,080
Speaker 1: like it is a thing, you know what I'm saying.

1274
00:58:55,080 --> 00:58:57,520
Speaker 1: We could say that we don't want to discriminate by churches,

1275
00:58:57,560 --> 00:58:59,520
Speaker 1: but there is a black church, you know what I'm saying.

1276
00:59:00,520 --> 00:59:04,560
Speaker 3: How do we not ignore that? How do what do? What?

1277
00:59:04,560 --> 00:59:07,400
Speaker 3: What does? What is? What does God tell us? You

1278
00:59:07,400 --> 00:59:10,760
Speaker 3: know what I'm saying? And I don't. And I think like.

1279
00:59:10,920 --> 00:59:15,400
Speaker 1: The all of those parts of the song are still

1280
00:59:15,440 --> 00:59:19,360
Speaker 1: like an examination. They're not statements, you know, they're not

1281
00:59:19,440 --> 00:59:21,320
Speaker 1: meant to be statements from me.

1282
00:59:21,680 --> 00:59:22,800
Speaker 3: I'm playing a character.

1283
00:59:22,880 --> 00:59:26,040
Speaker 1: There's this, you know in the Bible, at the end

1284
00:59:26,040 --> 00:59:28,440
Speaker 1: of the Bible, like there's a lot of if you

1285
00:59:28,480 --> 00:59:32,200
Speaker 1: ever heard of Romans or Thessalonians, or Galatians, or like

1286
00:59:32,280 --> 00:59:35,840
Speaker 1: any of the ones that end with Ann's at the end, Corinthians.

1287
00:59:35,960 --> 00:59:40,640
Speaker 3: These are letters to.

1288
00:59:39,280 --> 00:59:42,360
Speaker 1: To corinth to the to So these are the Corinthian letters,

1289
00:59:42,440 --> 00:59:44,880
Speaker 1: or these are you know, these these are letters from

1290
00:59:44,920 --> 00:59:48,520
Speaker 1: this dude, Paul, that were chastising the churches in these

1291
00:59:48,520 --> 00:59:52,280
Speaker 1: different cities that were not practicing the Gospel the way

1292
00:59:52,280 --> 00:59:54,480
Speaker 1: that they were supposed to. And so there's a lot

1293
00:59:54,480 --> 00:59:56,280
Speaker 1: of jokes on some Christians, like if we want to

1294
00:59:56,320 --> 00:59:59,120
Speaker 1: get into like Christian jokes, like people always talk about

1295
00:59:59,200 --> 01:00:02,600
Speaker 1: like the letters that we would receive if if Paul

1296
01:00:02,720 --> 01:00:04,440
Speaker 1: was to write a letter to the Church of America,

1297
01:00:04,800 --> 01:00:07,920
Speaker 1: like if this was America's in the Bible, that whole

1298
01:00:07,960 --> 01:00:12,200
Speaker 1: thing would be a scathing letter. So it's like I

1299
01:00:12,240 --> 01:00:14,160
Speaker 1: write those three verses from that perspective, and then the

1300
01:00:14,240 --> 01:00:16,840
Speaker 1: last one I just kind of examine what it means

1301
01:00:16,840 --> 01:00:19,760
Speaker 1: to be the body of Christ. And so, to answer

1302
01:00:19,800 --> 01:00:23,320
Speaker 1: your question short, it was very hard to, like, I think,

1303
01:00:23,520 --> 01:00:25,320
Speaker 1: publish the song because I know that there's gonna be

1304
01:00:25,360 --> 01:00:28,960
Speaker 1: a visceral reaction from people that feel like you talking

1305
01:00:28,960 --> 01:00:31,040
Speaker 1: about the church and you're talking about my God. And

1306
01:00:31,120 --> 01:00:33,640
Speaker 1: there's also going to be you know, people that'd be like, oh,

1307
01:00:33,880 --> 01:00:37,560
Speaker 1: right message, wrong messenger or whatever. So like publishing it

1308
01:00:37,640 --> 01:00:40,720
Speaker 1: is hard, and then I think, yeah, like taking certain times,

1309
01:00:40,760 --> 01:00:42,520
Speaker 1: like I'll make a song and then go back a

1310
01:00:42,560 --> 01:00:45,840
Speaker 1: million times and like, you know, oh I wasn't going

1311
01:00:45,880 --> 01:00:47,640
Speaker 1: hard enough, or oh I might have been saying going

1312
01:00:47,680 --> 01:00:48,200
Speaker 1: too hard on.

1313
01:00:49,880 --> 01:00:53,000
Speaker 2: The music on this on this, on this album is incredible.

1314
01:00:53,480 --> 01:00:56,520
Speaker 2: I was telling Rory last week because I think you

1315
01:00:56,560 --> 01:00:58,440
Speaker 2: had sent it in the chat and then had to

1316
01:00:58,440 --> 01:00:59,280
Speaker 2: send it again.

1317
01:01:00,440 --> 01:01:02,000
Speaker 3: Because it kept updating too.

1318
01:01:02,080 --> 01:01:04,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, so I was like, I was listening to it

1319
01:01:04,040 --> 01:01:06,080
Speaker 2: last night that I listened on the way to studio today,

1320
01:01:06,360 --> 01:01:07,479
Speaker 2: and the first thing, like.

1321
01:01:07,560 --> 01:01:08,600
Speaker 3: I didn't.

1322
01:01:08,800 --> 01:01:10,160
Speaker 5: It's weird the way I listen.

1323
01:01:09,920 --> 01:01:12,400
Speaker 2: To albums and artists. I don't hear the words the

1324
01:01:12,440 --> 01:01:13,040
Speaker 2: first listening.

1325
01:01:13,320 --> 01:01:14,720
Speaker 3: Most people do. It's just music.

1326
01:01:15,480 --> 01:01:18,360
Speaker 2: So I'm listening to the music and I'm like, damn,

1327
01:01:18,400 --> 01:01:20,240
Speaker 2: like this is some of the best music I've heard

1328
01:01:20,240 --> 01:01:23,200
Speaker 2: from Chance, Like I can digest this, Yeah, like I can,

1329
01:01:23,280 --> 01:01:23,920
Speaker 2: I can hear this.

1330
01:01:24,440 --> 01:01:26,800
Speaker 5: I'm like, okay. So then now I'm listening to the lyrics.

1331
01:01:26,840 --> 01:01:29,120
Speaker 2: I'm finding the lyrics more and I'm hearing certain little

1332
01:01:29,160 --> 01:01:32,080
Speaker 2: things and little and I'm like, okay, but I was

1333
01:01:32,120 --> 01:01:35,000
Speaker 2: really listening because it was like, you're one of the

1334
01:01:35,080 --> 01:01:37,840
Speaker 2: artists that I always felt like. It's talented, like super

1335
01:01:37,880 --> 01:01:41,320
Speaker 2: super talented. But I have this thing where me personally,

1336
01:01:43,080 --> 01:01:45,760
Speaker 2: you can be the most talented, amazing artist, but I.

1337
01:01:45,720 --> 01:01:47,000
Speaker 5: Don't listen to your music.

1338
01:01:47,000 --> 01:01:48,000
Speaker 3: I know exactly what you mean.

1339
01:01:48,080 --> 01:01:50,800
Speaker 2: You understand I'm saying. It's like I don't know where

1340
01:01:50,840 --> 01:01:53,200
Speaker 2: to listen to it. I don't know what time when

1341
01:01:53,280 --> 01:01:56,480
Speaker 2: I have time to listen to it. Everything is consumed

1342
01:01:56,480 --> 01:01:59,960
Speaker 2: in my phone, YouTube and whatever the fuck else, dinner

1343
01:02:00,080 --> 01:02:01,360
Speaker 2: and you know me, family.

1344
01:02:01,120 --> 01:02:02,960
Speaker 4: There's artists that's just cool to say you like them,

1345
01:02:03,000 --> 01:02:04,040
Speaker 4: you don't really be listening to shit.

1346
01:02:06,440 --> 01:02:08,680
Speaker 1: That's what the Street team and thing like that's what

1347
01:02:08,840 --> 01:02:11,440
Speaker 1: like I'm doing right now with this album and like

1348
01:02:11,560 --> 01:02:14,040
Speaker 1: really working it and like going to the people and

1349
01:02:14,040 --> 01:02:18,720
Speaker 1: popping up places with my CD is like you have

1350
01:02:18,840 --> 01:02:21,760
Speaker 1: to meet people where they are. In this world, everything

1351
01:02:21,840 --> 01:02:24,360
Speaker 1: is made to be super accessible and promotional.

1352
01:02:24,480 --> 01:02:26,760
Speaker 3: So like you you.

1353
01:02:26,720 --> 01:02:29,480
Speaker 1: Could spend however much money you want on recording and

1354
01:02:29,600 --> 01:02:31,960
Speaker 1: editing and mixing a song and making a music video

1355
01:02:32,000 --> 01:02:36,360
Speaker 1: and doing a radio campaign, but it's like you ultimately

1356
01:02:36,440 --> 01:02:38,880
Speaker 1: giving that music away for free at some point at

1357
01:02:38,880 --> 01:02:40,960
Speaker 1: some point that music is going out to people. So

1358
01:02:41,000 --> 01:02:45,760
Speaker 1: it's like, how do you like get in front of

1359
01:02:45,800 --> 01:02:47,440
Speaker 1: somebody and say, hey, person a.

1360
01:02:47,480 --> 01:02:50,120
Speaker 3: Person, if you support me, if you rock with me

1361
01:02:50,360 --> 01:02:51,120
Speaker 3: by my CD.

1362
01:02:51,720 --> 01:02:54,040
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, And like, you can't get

1363
01:02:54,040 --> 01:02:58,040
Speaker 1: that across without being there, I think with the people,

1364
01:02:58,680 --> 01:03:02,520
Speaker 1: like I'm in a space were like I really just

1365
01:03:03,080 --> 01:03:07,960
Speaker 1: I love being out and being able to like talk

1366
01:03:08,000 --> 01:03:10,560
Speaker 1: to the people because they got stories and they've got

1367
01:03:10,600 --> 01:03:12,680
Speaker 1: and it's been a journey like this is I dropped.

1368
01:03:13,760 --> 01:03:16,600
Speaker 1: I dropped ten Day in twenty twelve, so that project

1369
01:03:16,680 --> 01:03:19,080
Speaker 1: is like thirteen years old? Is that gonna have thirteen

1370
01:03:19,120 --> 01:03:22,680
Speaker 1: years old? So like I'm basically a vet. I'm thirty two.

1371
01:03:22,840 --> 01:03:23,720
Speaker 1: I'm a VET in this shit.

1372
01:03:23,920 --> 01:03:25,680
Speaker 5: Supporters are different, Fans are different.

1373
01:03:25,760 --> 01:03:29,160
Speaker 2: They've grown, they've gotten older, they've had families, They've a

1374
01:03:29,160 --> 01:03:30,200
Speaker 2: lot has changed.

1375
01:03:29,920 --> 01:03:33,120
Speaker 1: They and they and they feel a lot of the

1376
01:03:33,160 --> 01:03:35,600
Speaker 1: things that I had to feel early. Yeah, you know

1377
01:03:35,600 --> 01:03:37,320
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. Like like I said, I got married

1378
01:03:37,360 --> 01:03:40,000
Speaker 1: young and had my kids young. I got you know,

1379
01:03:40,120 --> 01:03:41,280
Speaker 1: I got on young, like.

1380
01:03:41,440 --> 01:03:42,400
Speaker 5: iMusic out young.

1381
01:03:42,480 --> 01:03:43,919
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying. So it's like when you

1382
01:03:44,880 --> 01:03:45,280
Speaker 3: when you.

1383
01:03:46,920 --> 01:03:51,360
Speaker 1: When you're growing with your fans, you gotta you gotta

1384
01:03:51,440 --> 01:03:54,000
Speaker 1: let them know like, hey, I'm right here, Like I'm

1385
01:03:54,120 --> 01:03:54,560
Speaker 1: right here.

1386
01:03:54,640 --> 01:03:57,520
Speaker 2: Are we feeling this together, experiencing these things together? Fact

1387
01:03:57,600 --> 01:03:59,360
Speaker 2: where you're at in your life with your family.

1388
01:04:00,080 --> 01:04:02,840
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm gonna ignore Josh again and ask one more question.

1389
01:04:03,400 --> 01:04:05,360
Speaker 4: You being one of the first people that got, if

1390
01:04:05,360 --> 01:04:08,840
Speaker 4: I remember correctly, the first exclusive Apple Music deal.

1391
01:04:09,440 --> 01:04:10,800
Speaker 1: I don't think I was the first, but I think

1392
01:04:10,840 --> 01:04:14,240
Speaker 1: I was, like I was, I was probably I was

1393
01:04:14,280 --> 01:04:16,640
Speaker 1: the unsigned dude, I was the flagship.

1394
01:04:16,720 --> 01:04:22,040
Speaker 4: Yeah, in retrospect, do you feel like, no, no, no,

1395
01:04:22,080 --> 01:04:25,320
Speaker 4: not what you did just do? Just the streaming war

1396
01:04:25,440 --> 01:04:29,960
Speaker 4: that was between Apple, Spotify and Title and even Title

1397
01:04:30,040 --> 01:04:33,080
Speaker 4: at the time when it was bringing in everybody. Yeah,

1398
01:04:33,400 --> 01:04:37,160
Speaker 4: it's craziest press releases ever, bad marketing, but he had

1399
01:04:37,160 --> 01:04:39,440
Speaker 4: every artist like he was trying to get.

1400
01:04:39,120 --> 01:04:41,480
Speaker 3: And almost not talking bad about anything. Jay Z ever

1401
01:04:41,520 --> 01:04:43,000
Speaker 3: did no, no, not on that.

1402
01:04:43,360 --> 01:04:45,760
Speaker 4: But do you think the fans are the ones that

1403
01:04:45,800 --> 01:04:48,480
Speaker 4: suffered from that entire few years?

1404
01:04:49,680 --> 01:04:50,640
Speaker 3: The artist? For sure?

1405
01:04:50,800 --> 01:04:55,160
Speaker 1: What think about paying ten dollars a month for all

1406
01:04:55,160 --> 01:05:00,400
Speaker 1: the music in the world. Here's where I feel bad

1407
01:05:00,520 --> 01:05:03,640
Speaker 1: or I feel like my space in it and while

1408
01:05:03,680 --> 01:05:05,959
Speaker 1: I'm like pushing so hard to like get my.

1409
01:05:05,880 --> 01:05:07,200
Speaker 3: Physical CD to a fan.

1410
01:05:07,400 --> 01:05:08,720
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's kind of the way.

1411
01:05:09,200 --> 01:05:14,080
Speaker 1: It's this was like this was our our you know exchange,

1412
01:05:14,200 --> 01:05:15,600
Speaker 1: Like I made something for you.

1413
01:05:15,680 --> 01:05:16,840
Speaker 3: Here, hold it in your hand.

1414
01:05:16,920 --> 01:05:18,440
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, Take it home, put it

1415
01:05:18,440 --> 01:05:20,600
Speaker 1: in the car, burn a copy for somebody type shit.

1416
01:05:21,000 --> 01:05:23,480
Speaker 3: And I did that hand in hand.

1417
01:05:24,000 --> 01:05:27,160
Speaker 1: And when I you know, got to the age I

1418
01:05:27,160 --> 01:05:29,960
Speaker 1: put out tend I think I was nineteen. Uh, you

1419
01:05:29,960 --> 01:05:34,840
Speaker 1: know SoundCloud, that peth audio Mac, all these streaming spaces

1420
01:05:35,200 --> 01:05:39,240
Speaker 1: were YouTube were all like you know, coming up in

1421
01:05:39,320 --> 01:05:41,640
Speaker 1: terms of like how people wanted to access music, even

1422
01:05:41,680 --> 01:05:44,840
Speaker 1: though the iTunes store still was dominating how people access

1423
01:05:44,840 --> 01:05:48,440
Speaker 1: stuff in stores, physical mechanical sales were dominating. It was

1424
01:05:48,480 --> 01:05:50,520
Speaker 1: like I could put this shit up here for free,

1425
01:05:51,080 --> 01:05:53,040
Speaker 1: get way more people that aren't going to wait for

1426
01:05:53,760 --> 01:05:57,200
Speaker 1: getting behind the paywall or whatever. Like I could get

1427
01:05:57,200 --> 01:05:59,240
Speaker 1: these people right now to hear it, and then they'll

1428
01:05:59,240 --> 01:06:01,120
Speaker 1: want to then they'll want to buy a shirt, you know,

1429
01:06:01,120 --> 01:06:02,640
Speaker 1: they want to buy a ticket to the show.

1430
01:06:03,040 --> 01:06:05,720
Speaker 3: And uh, there was a like.

1431
01:06:07,600 --> 01:06:09,480
Speaker 1: A dissonance when I was trying to because there was

1432
01:06:09,520 --> 01:06:10,960
Speaker 1: a point where I was trying to get a label deal,

1433
01:06:11,120 --> 01:06:13,040
Speaker 1: like where I was going to label meetings right after

1434
01:06:13,080 --> 01:06:13,640
Speaker 1: ten days, What.

1435
01:06:13,680 --> 01:06:14,840
Speaker 5: Do you think about going with.

1436
01:06:14,960 --> 01:06:18,000
Speaker 1: Whoever has some money, Nikka, Like I ain't have no money,

1437
01:06:18,200 --> 01:06:20,360
Speaker 1: they have no money. So like you know what I'm saying,

1438
01:06:20,360 --> 01:06:21,880
Speaker 1: whoever I can get some money from. And those deals

1439
01:06:21,880 --> 01:06:24,800
Speaker 1: were awful, They're terrible. And I decided, like you know,

1440
01:06:25,480 --> 01:06:28,120
Speaker 1: because it was costing me money just to receive the contracts,

1441
01:06:28,160 --> 01:06:29,640
Speaker 1: like you got to have a lawyer that's just reading them.

1442
01:06:29,640 --> 01:06:31,400
Speaker 1: You getting paid just for him to read the ship, right,

1443
01:06:31,520 --> 01:06:32,920
Speaker 1: I was like, I told them, don't send me no

1444
01:06:32,960 --> 01:06:35,240
Speaker 1: more contracts till after I dropped my my project in

1445
01:06:35,280 --> 01:06:37,360
Speaker 1: the spring. That's when I dropped Asserrap. And once I

1446
01:06:37,400 --> 01:06:38,760
Speaker 1: dropped as Rap, I was like, oh I don't need

1447
01:06:38,760 --> 01:06:45,360
Speaker 1: this shop on to it. But the the that streaming

1448
01:06:45,480 --> 01:06:47,480
Speaker 1: time that I was on depif and Aldio like wish

1449
01:06:47,520 --> 01:06:49,680
Speaker 1: I did for Assirap too, ass Wrap also was not

1450
01:06:49,840 --> 01:06:53,120
Speaker 1: on iTunes or no ship like yeah, and so it's

1451
01:06:53,200 --> 01:06:55,840
Speaker 1: like that level of like straight to my fans, I

1452
01:06:55,880 --> 01:06:58,680
Speaker 1: fucked with that. I didn't think about like my whole

1453
01:06:58,680 --> 01:07:00,560
Speaker 1: point when I was saying that and I interviews, what

1454
01:07:00,600 --> 01:07:02,200
Speaker 1: I was saying it was like I don't think it's

1455
01:07:02,240 --> 01:07:04,400
Speaker 1: fair that I have to sell it at this market

1456
01:07:04,440 --> 01:07:06,200
Speaker 1: price of ninety nine cents, because what if I think

1457
01:07:06,200 --> 01:07:08,560
Speaker 1: my song costs more than that, you know what I'm saying.

1458
01:07:09,000 --> 01:07:12,760
Speaker 1: And so I was like I was outside the system

1459
01:07:12,880 --> 01:07:16,680
Speaker 1: in that way, and nobody wanted to give me a

1460
01:07:16,680 --> 01:07:18,720
Speaker 1: deal without giving me mechanicals. So you have to have

1461
01:07:18,720 --> 01:07:20,520
Speaker 1: a budget and your record deal for how much they're

1462
01:07:20,520 --> 01:07:22,760
Speaker 1: going to press up of your mechanicals, and you want

1463
01:07:22,760 --> 01:07:24,480
Speaker 1: them to press more so you have more stores, but

1464
01:07:24,480 --> 01:07:27,040
Speaker 1: you also don't want them to press a bunch because

1465
01:07:27,080 --> 01:07:29,440
Speaker 1: that's the budget. So now they owe them money. So

1466
01:07:29,640 --> 01:07:31,800
Speaker 1: I was like, hey, I want every every deal I'm

1467
01:07:31,800 --> 01:07:33,520
Speaker 1: coming in. I'm just like a kid, and I'm like thinking,

1468
01:07:33,520 --> 01:07:36,320
Speaker 1: I'm so fucking smart, I talk well, and I'm like, well, well,

1469
01:07:36,320 --> 01:07:39,600
Speaker 1: I was like blah blah blah, no mechanicals, No three sixty,

1470
01:07:39,640 --> 01:07:42,080
Speaker 1: and they're like, hell no, that's not how this shit worked,

1471
01:07:42,240 --> 01:07:47,120
Speaker 1: like in are building. But I championed that streaming thing,

1472
01:07:47,840 --> 01:07:51,920
Speaker 1: and then what happened was being honest, like it got

1473
01:07:52,320 --> 01:07:56,520
Speaker 1: commercialized and a bunch of you know, people put their

1474
01:07:56,560 --> 01:08:00,400
Speaker 1: money together. Labels, other people put their money together, like hey,

1475
01:08:00,440 --> 01:08:04,840
Speaker 1: we can offer full catalogs and music and basically, you know,

1476
01:08:06,080 --> 01:08:08,480
Speaker 1: make this thing because people are like, basically, the music

1477
01:08:08,600 --> 01:08:10,760
Speaker 1: is always gonna move faster than the industry, Like the

1478
01:08:10,800 --> 01:08:13,360
Speaker 1: ability to put out something is gonna move faster than

1479
01:08:13,360 --> 01:08:15,200
Speaker 1: the ability to figure out a way to capitalize off

1480
01:08:15,240 --> 01:08:18,200
Speaker 1: of it. But it's kind of a short space behind.

1481
01:08:18,240 --> 01:08:20,599
Speaker 1: So we used to have music and compositions where people

1482
01:08:20,600 --> 01:08:24,000
Speaker 1: will send like sheet music around. Then you know, record

1483
01:08:24,000 --> 01:08:26,400
Speaker 1: companies were like, or publishing companies like, well, we will

1484
01:08:26,400 --> 01:08:28,880
Speaker 1: publish the music for you. And then people are like, okay,

1485
01:08:28,880 --> 01:08:31,599
Speaker 1: we're making vinyl records. We got recordings, and then somebody

1486
01:08:31,640 --> 01:08:33,400
Speaker 1: who owned the labels like, let's buy all the vinyl

1487
01:08:33,439 --> 01:08:36,040
Speaker 1: press and plants, so now we the record industry. And

1488
01:08:36,080 --> 01:08:38,719
Speaker 1: then it just keeps going like that. You know, Napster

1489
01:08:38,840 --> 01:08:40,880
Speaker 1: fucked up the industry for a second. And then that's

1490
01:08:40,880 --> 01:08:42,679
Speaker 1: when they was like, okay, well we need an itune.

1491
01:08:43,040 --> 01:08:45,200
Speaker 1: So like, so somebody figures out a way to make

1492
01:08:45,200 --> 01:08:48,200
Speaker 1: the music accessible to everybody, and then somebody has to

1493
01:08:48,200 --> 01:08:50,040
Speaker 1: figure out a way to make money off of it.

1494
01:08:50,120 --> 01:08:52,600
Speaker 1: And when it got to the Apple Music shit, I

1495
01:08:52,720 --> 01:08:56,360
Speaker 1: really was like, you know, I'm thinking about myself in

1496
01:08:56,400 --> 01:08:58,559
Speaker 1: the moment I'm thinking about, like, Okay, they finna give

1497
01:08:58,600 --> 01:09:01,639
Speaker 1: me some cash, you know what I'm saying, I'll still

1498
01:09:01,800 --> 01:09:04,400
Speaker 1: own my masters. I still It's really just this is

1499
01:09:04,400 --> 01:09:06,280
Speaker 1: a beef between them. That's how I'm really thinking about it.

1500
01:09:06,360 --> 01:09:08,280
Speaker 1: I'm like, there's a beef between Apple and Title.

1501
01:09:08,080 --> 01:09:09,400
Speaker 3: And all them. This shit don't got nothing to do

1502
01:09:09,439 --> 01:09:09,640
Speaker 3: with me.

1503
01:09:10,200 --> 01:09:11,960
Speaker 1: Like if Tidal had give me a bag first, or

1504
01:09:12,000 --> 01:09:13,320
Speaker 1: if this person give me a bag first, I.

1505
01:09:13,280 --> 01:09:14,960
Speaker 3: Didn't even think I was in that space, you know

1506
01:09:15,000 --> 01:09:15,400
Speaker 3: what I'm saying.

1507
01:09:15,479 --> 01:09:17,640
Speaker 1: Like the people that was getting those exclusive deals was

1508
01:09:17,680 --> 01:09:20,120
Speaker 1: like Frank Ocean, Like you know what I'm saying.

1509
01:09:20,080 --> 01:09:22,080
Speaker 5: He found the greatest loophole level, you know what I'm.

1510
01:09:21,960 --> 01:09:25,320
Speaker 1: Saying, Like like those kind of people were then, and

1511
01:09:25,320 --> 01:09:27,000
Speaker 1: then like they tightened the reins on that too, so

1512
01:09:27,080 --> 01:09:29,599
Speaker 1: like now it's like you can't really do an exclusive

1513
01:09:29,640 --> 01:09:31,880
Speaker 1: with anybody because they were saying it's sucking up the

1514
01:09:31,920 --> 01:09:35,639
Speaker 1: money between them. But what I did by doing that,

1515
01:09:35,760 --> 01:09:40,840
Speaker 1: by becoming like, you know, this flagship artist for streaming

1516
01:09:41,000 --> 01:09:44,200
Speaker 1: and having the reputation that I have, everybody's like streaming

1517
01:09:44,280 --> 01:09:48,040
Speaker 1: is good, but like I'm sure that y'all read somewhere

1518
01:09:48,200 --> 01:09:51,920
Speaker 1: that's streaming not good right for the artists, like absolutely.

1519
01:09:51,400 --> 01:09:56,200
Speaker 3: And so just like I think it's funny that I'm

1520
01:09:56,240 --> 01:09:59,320
Speaker 3: always kind of like anti.

1521
01:09:59,439 --> 01:10:02,599
Speaker 1: I'm not a contral but I'm like, I see something,

1522
01:10:02,600 --> 01:10:04,479
Speaker 1: I'd be like, oh, I want to go this opposite direction,

1523
01:10:05,000 --> 01:10:08,040
Speaker 1: and then sometimes that will become the popular idea, and

1524
01:10:08,080 --> 01:10:10,320
Speaker 1: then by the time that happens, I'm like, well, actually

1525
01:10:10,400 --> 01:10:12,760
Speaker 1: this shit, I'm not really like that, like I would

1526
01:10:12,840 --> 01:10:15,559
Speaker 1: like that. So yeah, definitely buy my album from me.

1527
01:10:15,880 --> 01:10:18,439
Speaker 1: You feel me like it's gonna be on streaming. Stream

1528
01:10:18,479 --> 01:10:20,559
Speaker 1: it up. I appreciate all the streams, but like, come

1529
01:10:20,640 --> 01:10:22,880
Speaker 1: to my website, Chance Stuff. I literally package them up

1530
01:10:22,920 --> 01:10:24,839
Speaker 1: and put them in boxes and mail them to you myself.

1531
01:10:24,840 --> 01:10:25,760
Speaker 3: That's real nigga shit.

1532
01:10:25,960 --> 01:10:30,599
Speaker 2: Starlin August fifteenth, Incredible project. The music is fire, love

1533
01:10:30,640 --> 01:10:32,360
Speaker 2: the love, the features you got on there. Good to

1534
01:10:32,400 --> 01:10:33,679
Speaker 2: hear you and vict working again.

1535
01:10:33,760 --> 01:10:34,479
Speaker 3: Yeah, appreciate it.

1536
01:10:35,200 --> 01:10:36,080
Speaker 5: Where can they get it at?

1537
01:10:36,240 --> 01:10:39,040
Speaker 1: You can get it at chancestuff dot com. So I'm Chance,

1538
01:10:39,400 --> 01:10:44,000
Speaker 1: this is my stuff. He's Chanced, that's his stuff. Go

1539
01:10:44,080 --> 01:10:45,200
Speaker 1: to chance stuff dot com.

1540
01:10:45,200 --> 01:10:45,640
Speaker 3: You will order.

1541
01:10:45,760 --> 01:10:47,680
Speaker 1: We send it straight to you. And just so you

1542
01:10:47,760 --> 01:10:50,479
Speaker 1: know this, this is a new kind of technology. It's

1543
01:10:50,479 --> 01:10:52,280
Speaker 1: called an NFC time. Let me show you this actually,

1544
01:10:52,520 --> 01:10:59,160
Speaker 1: so basically most niggas don't have CD players, but there's

1545
01:10:59,160 --> 01:11:01,320
Speaker 1: this thing called the nf SEE technology. It means near

1546
01:11:01,360 --> 01:11:04,400
Speaker 1: field communication. What you do is when you put the

1547
01:11:04,479 --> 01:11:07,360
Speaker 1: album directly to your phone to populate a little link,

1548
01:11:07,640 --> 01:11:09,960
Speaker 1: open the camera. No, no, no camera needed. That's like you,

1549
01:11:10,520 --> 01:11:12,439
Speaker 1: that's in two thousand and late. It's like this, like

1550
01:11:12,520 --> 01:11:14,960
Speaker 1: brand new that's twenty twenty, twenty twenty.

1551
01:11:14,680 --> 01:11:16,240
Speaker 3: Five, and I can finally see all the most text

1552
01:11:16,280 --> 01:11:16,760
Speaker 3: messages so.

1553
01:11:18,439 --> 01:11:19,639
Speaker 5: Right now on the album CD.

1554
01:11:19,840 --> 01:11:21,559
Speaker 1: Yeah, So when you when you get the album and

1555
01:11:21,600 --> 01:11:23,040
Speaker 1: I mail it to you and you get in the

1556
01:11:23,040 --> 01:11:24,519
Speaker 1: car and you remember you don't got a CD player,

1557
01:11:24,600 --> 01:11:25,400
Speaker 1: tap your phone to this.

1558
01:11:25,479 --> 01:11:27,280
Speaker 3: You can bluetooth it straight off of that and the CD.

1559
01:11:27,439 --> 01:11:29,360
Speaker 3: That's crazy. That's what I'm saying.

1560
01:11:29,439 --> 01:11:32,240
Speaker 4: I closed the site and still play it. So that's

1561
01:11:32,280 --> 01:11:34,000
Speaker 4: the most important thing. You can close the sime still

1562
01:11:34,040 --> 01:11:36,840
Speaker 4: play it. If you got Safari on your phone, it'll

1563
01:11:36,840 --> 01:11:37,240
Speaker 4: still work.

1564
01:11:37,560 --> 01:11:41,439
Speaker 1: But the key is like I want people to have

1565
01:11:41,520 --> 01:11:45,160
Speaker 1: something from me that like when I'm gone. You know

1566
01:11:45,200 --> 01:11:47,960
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, Like you have something that came directly

1567
01:11:47,960 --> 01:11:49,559
Speaker 1: from me, and get it from a story and it's

1568
01:11:49,560 --> 01:11:52,559
Speaker 1: not like in your cloud or something like that. This

1569
01:11:52,600 --> 01:11:54,080
Speaker 1: is you can only get this from me.

1570
01:11:54,439 --> 01:11:57,479
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's fire, all right, man, what chance. We appreciate

1571
01:11:57,520 --> 01:11:58,120
Speaker 2: you coming.

1572
01:11:57,920 --> 01:11:59,160
Speaker 5: Back, man, It's good to see you.

1573
01:11:59,200 --> 01:12:01,439
Speaker 2: Good to have this project this Friday.

1574
01:12:01,479 --> 01:12:02,040
Speaker 3: Thank y'all.

1575
01:12:02,160 --> 01:12:05,240
Speaker 1: Hey, let me also say this place is incredible, Like

1576
01:12:05,600 --> 01:12:09,120
Speaker 1: place is so nice, like niggas be having sticky floors

1577
01:12:09,120 --> 01:12:09,360
Speaker 1: and shi.

1578
01:12:11,200 --> 01:12:14,120
Speaker 3: This is a huge studio and it's beautiful. Y'all got

1579
01:12:14,120 --> 01:12:14,880
Speaker 3: the wrong set up.

1580
01:12:15,040 --> 01:12:17,360
Speaker 5: Thank you, bro. We appreciate you for coming by.

1581
01:12:17,439 --> 01:12:17,559
Speaker 3: Man.

1582
01:12:17,600 --> 01:12:18,200
Speaker 5: I'm that nigga.

1583
01:12:18,240 --> 01:12:20,360
Speaker 3: He's just ginger. A chance to wrap it, U