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Speaker 4: The World's of Virginal podcast Welcome to Patriots Unfiltered. We

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Speaker 4: got a lot to talk about.

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Speaker 5: I was one defensive stop away from the NOD. I

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Speaker 5: looked at Mike and I said, if they stop him

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Speaker 5: again here, I think this game is.

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Speaker 1: They didn't stop, so going.

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Speaker 6: For two up, nine down nine, I should say, is

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Speaker 6: is definitely a nerd mountain.

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Speaker 5: Can you please just give me one reason that doesn't

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Speaker 5: involve knowing what.

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Speaker 4: You need because you know what you need either way.

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Speaker 5: Because I know what I need no matter what happens.

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Speaker 6: If they do it this way right, then at least

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Speaker 6: they can try to find on site kick whatever the

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Speaker 6: case may be, to manufacture another possession.

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Speaker 5: Okay, So why can't you on side kick after you

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Speaker 5: failed too, because.

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Speaker 6: There's no more timeline.

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Speaker 5: Okay, Yeah, that's a dumb argument. I said this on

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Speaker 5: Sunday in the postgame show. I didn't credit you with

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Speaker 5: any of this. Being down nine doesn't ensure that you

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Speaker 5: will have two possessions any more than being down eight does.

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Speaker 1: He does not compute.

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Speaker 5: All right, Freddy, that was a big sign.

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Speaker 4: All right, welcome the Patriots Unfiltered. It is Wednesday here

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Speaker 4: at Jules Stadium. It's turned the page day. But there's

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Speaker 4: still a lot of things to talk about besides the

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Speaker 4: soft talk. A lot of soft talk, chalk talk, soft talk,

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Speaker 4: jets talk. We're gonna get to all of that. It's Paul,

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Speaker 4: it's me. Douse'll be by, Evan'll be by. Uh, there's

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Speaker 4: a lot going on. Paul's gonna have to leave momentarily

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Speaker 4: to film Douse. We'll be back. So people coming and going.

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Speaker 5: And hopefully I'll be able to come back. Yeah, once

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Speaker 5: we're done with that. But I think I think you

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Speaker 4: I got a lot of feedback yesterday too.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, a lot of it positive and and and some

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Speaker 5: I think some people were a little uh jarred by

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Speaker 5: our reactions. For you, it was more about the current

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Speaker 5: I was pretty critical of Bill yesterday Bill Belichick, and

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Speaker 5: And others were just like, oh, you know, now that

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Speaker 4: Those things while he was here, Well, if you listen.

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Speaker 5: About those particular elements of him, hypocritical. Yes, I've been

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Speaker 5: very consistent. I've also been very consistent explaining how I

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Speaker 4: Both things can be true.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, so, and I stand by everything I said yesterday.

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Speaker 5: not saying that Bill's the only one that would have

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Speaker 5: You're right, and you've always said that too. Yeah, you've

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Speaker 5: And it's just like, by the way, if you go

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Speaker 5: I thought there was a lot of elements of the

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Speaker 5: A lot of the stuff that I've had a problem

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Speaker 4: And you know, Girad and you know, and it's not

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Speaker 5: Critical of the drafting from that Belichick did over the

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Speaker 4: For you, it's amazing couples on either side, like you

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Speaker 5: Unfortunately, there's plenty of blame.

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Speaker 4: To go around, right, There's but there's no doubt.

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Speaker 5: Been a lot of missteps over the last part.

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Speaker 4: But there's no doubt the team was a mess Yep,

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Speaker 4: the team was left in a mess. It wasn't all

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Speaker 4: And Bill can say everything he wants. It's the same guys. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: You can see through that.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I would agree with everything you just said, and

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Speaker 5: So I mean I think there's certainly the message right now.

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Speaker 4: You know, how the best way is to get to

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Speaker 5: But right, and that's what Gerard must have mentioned that

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and he's I mean, right now is the locker room.

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Speaker 5: And that's when you when you say, like, despite the record,

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Speaker 4: Yeah. So, uh, you know late news or news that

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Speaker 5: Know, injuries your fred.

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Speaker 4: You know, listen, there's no denying it. The last time

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Speaker 4: They they haven't been the productive team we thought they

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Speaker 5: they don't look like they're on the same page. Wilson

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Speaker 4: You know how many times did Prissett get sacked last

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Speaker 5: totally agree it's better than Houston. So it'll be a different,

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Speaker 5: I just thought that they overwhelmed the Patriots in that game.

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Speaker 5: I mean, even in that game, May got sacked twice,

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Speaker 4: Speaking of May, I retweeted something that dan Orlowski posted.

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Speaker 5: I didn't see your retreat, but I saw the clips.

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Speaker 4: You know, So it wasn't.

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Speaker 4: Huh, wasn't. Wasn't Alasky really critical of playing him early?

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Speaker 5: He was really critical of him and coming out of college,

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Speaker 5: saying he needed a lot of time. Now. I thought

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Speaker 4: Maybe I was good at it all along.

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Speaker 5: He didn't say it. He didn't say it because I

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Speaker 4: But let's just say that he let's for argument's sake,

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Speaker 4: I'd really be curious to know who's the main person

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Speaker 5: Well, this is one of the reasons why, And is

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Speaker 5: it Macado. Yeah, I'm starting to get some criticism for

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Speaker 5: Listen Alex van Pelt is not my cup of tea

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Speaker 5: I would say his number one job is developing Drake.

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Speaker 4: Well, that's the thing.

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Speaker 5: I don't know if that's his job. And now everybody,

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Speaker 5: May was just better than you know. May's got a

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Speaker 5: And I'm not telling you that Drake May is a

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Speaker 5: May looking as good as.

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Speaker 4: He's looked in the two. He hasn't ruined him.

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Speaker 5: I'm giving him credit for he looks a lot better

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Speaker 4: Right, I I agree. That's why I'm wondering. Honestly, I'm curious, curious,

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Speaker 5: No, I think those are all fair questions. But you know,

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Speaker 5: whether it's Alex van Peltz, Ben McAdoo, TC McCartney, or

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Speaker 5: May look as good as he's looked in these two games.

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Speaker 5: He's playing better right now than he looked in the

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Speaker 5: We're gonna complain about stuff. But I just I just

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Speaker 4: But listen, Alex van Pel played football in the NFL,

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Speaker 5: No, he was an NFL quarterback. Right, There's a better

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Speaker 5: I think you'd probably like to walk that one back, right,

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Speaker 5: We all say things that we regret. But all right,

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Speaker 5: I think you'd probably want to walk that one back.

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Speaker 4: So I don't want to start a whole new conversation

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Speaker 5: Someone give a reason other than you know what you need.

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Speaker 4: Kind of junior for Minneapolis. Right, Okay, I'm in he says,

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Speaker 4: You were right. So here's the logic, he says. You're

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Speaker 4: Usually I would be on Paul side, but with how

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Speaker 5: So I just I just want to I just want

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Speaker 5: not just well, you know what you need, so that's better.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, but also by if you if you are able,

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Speaker 5: I believe in that. I do too, But momentum could be,

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Speaker 4: You know you've made a stop, you've scored again.

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Speaker 5: to play it out. I want to make I want

434
00:21:16,714 --> 00:21:19,634
Speaker 5: to put I think there's such a thing as game pressure.

435
00:21:20,194 --> 00:21:22,994
Speaker 5: I want to put game pressure on the opponent. And

436
00:21:23,313 --> 00:21:25,433
Speaker 5: by going for two and missing it, and I know

437
00:21:25,513 --> 00:21:27,273
Speaker 5: you don't go for two thinking you're gonna miss it.

438
00:21:27,313 --> 00:21:28,674
Speaker 5: You want to you want to make it, you want

439
00:21:28,674 --> 00:21:33,194
Speaker 5: to execute. But by going for two and making and

440
00:21:33,313 --> 00:21:35,593
Speaker 5: missing it, you take all the game pressure off the

441
00:21:35,634 --> 00:21:37,754
Speaker 5: opponent because now they know there's eight eight to twenty.

442
00:21:37,474 --> 00:21:39,754
Speaker 4: Two left, they need the ball twice.

443
00:21:39,874 --> 00:21:43,633
Speaker 5: We Mike as Mike do so gets ready to saddle

444
00:21:43,714 --> 00:21:46,194
Speaker 5: up and get involved. I just gave a nice golf

445
00:21:46,194 --> 00:21:51,833
Speaker 5: clap to Junior in Minneapolis because he just gave a thoughtful,

446
00:21:52,553 --> 00:21:56,593
Speaker 5: analytical reason of why down fifteen, cutting it to nine

447
00:21:56,754 --> 00:21:59,513
Speaker 5: you would go for two and the whole I won't

448
00:21:59,954 --> 00:22:02,073
Speaker 5: go through the whole thing, but the long and short

449
00:22:02,073 --> 00:22:04,754
Speaker 5: of it is it gives you an opportunity to win

450
00:22:04,793 --> 00:22:10,154
Speaker 5: in regulation rather than just tie in regulation. Again, Fred

451
00:22:10,194 --> 00:22:11,513
Speaker 5: and I.

452
00:22:10,914 --> 00:22:13,513
Speaker 1: I like that though, simple, right, but it's a reason.

453
00:22:13,914 --> 00:22:15,593
Speaker 5: It's the first reason I've ever heard what you have.

454
00:22:15,874 --> 00:22:18,793
Speaker 5: I've never heard it other than I know what I need.

455
00:22:18,833 --> 00:22:20,513
Speaker 1: Now you know you might have a chance to win

456
00:22:20,553 --> 00:22:20,874
Speaker 1: the game.

457
00:22:21,073 --> 00:22:24,754
Speaker 5: Right, So Fred and I both agreed. We disagreed with

458
00:22:24,754 --> 00:22:28,553
Speaker 5: the re that's but that's okay, Like someone makes someone

459
00:22:28,553 --> 00:22:31,313
Speaker 5: can have a reason for doing something. Someone else could say, no,

460
00:22:31,394 --> 00:22:34,354
Speaker 5: I want to do it this way. That's fine. Knowing

461
00:22:34,394 --> 00:22:36,434
Speaker 5: what I need is not a reason for doing something

462
00:22:36,474 --> 00:22:37,873
Speaker 5: because I know what I need no matter what.

463
00:22:38,914 --> 00:22:40,674
Speaker 1: It's amazing it took this long to get that, because

464
00:22:40,674 --> 00:22:43,154
Speaker 1: that's totally reason I gave him. I mean, how could

465
00:22:43,154 --> 00:22:46,273
Speaker 1: no one else come up with that in the statistics community.

466
00:22:45,874 --> 00:22:48,114
Speaker 5: Like, I'm sure that the people that believe in it

467
00:22:48,714 --> 00:22:50,593
Speaker 5: would say this, and it's just the people that go

468
00:22:50,714 --> 00:22:55,394
Speaker 5: them on to analytics. Yeah, like they don't really like you.

469
00:22:55,313 --> 00:22:55,633
Speaker 4: Know what I mean.

470
00:22:55,674 --> 00:22:59,393
Speaker 5: There's a difference between a true statistician and you know,

471
00:22:59,513 --> 00:23:03,073
Speaker 5: analyst as opposed to someone who believes in analytics, right,

472
00:23:03,754 --> 00:23:04,874
Speaker 5: you know what I mean, just.

473
00:23:04,833 --> 00:23:05,754
Speaker 1: Going off the book.

474
00:23:06,474 --> 00:23:10,354
Speaker 4: So, so, Mike, thanks for joining us.

475
00:23:09,313 --> 00:23:10,593
Speaker 8: Back from the locker.

476
00:23:10,674 --> 00:23:10,874
Speaker 9: Room.

477
00:23:10,954 --> 00:23:13,553
Speaker 3: What was the mood where the players friendly to that

478
00:23:13,714 --> 00:23:14,434
Speaker 3: none of them.

479
00:23:14,273 --> 00:23:16,634
Speaker 10: Look like Devik Mike.

480
00:23:17,073 --> 00:23:19,033
Speaker 4: What was it like in.

481
00:23:18,954 --> 00:23:21,873
Speaker 10: The locker room?

482
00:23:22,513 --> 00:23:26,234
Speaker 1: What was it like in the.

483
00:23:27,353 --> 00:23:28,754
Speaker 4: What was it like in the locker room?

484
00:23:28,874 --> 00:23:30,754
Speaker 1: I was, well, I went into the locker room first.

485
00:23:30,754 --> 00:23:32,354
Speaker 1: You know, it's now it's a little bit different, of course,

486
00:23:32,353 --> 00:23:33,913
Speaker 1: as I've laid out many times. So I went in

487
00:23:33,954 --> 00:23:36,273
Speaker 1: there just to get the vibe a little bit. But

488
00:23:36,313 --> 00:23:37,994
Speaker 1: it was hard to get a read on the vibe.

489
00:23:37,994 --> 00:23:39,594
Speaker 1: A lot of guys kind of empty, and guys were

490
00:23:39,593 --> 00:23:40,513
Speaker 1: coming in from meetings.

491
00:23:40,674 --> 00:23:40,754
Speaker 7: Uh.

492
00:23:41,114 --> 00:23:42,633
Speaker 1: And then key On White was gonna go over in

493
00:23:42,634 --> 00:23:44,113
Speaker 1: the other locker room, So I went to listen to

494
00:23:44,194 --> 00:23:46,553
Speaker 1: key On White and Kaishan Bouti. Those were the two

495
00:23:46,914 --> 00:23:50,474
Speaker 1: video interviews. You know key On White. Look, they asked

496
00:23:50,513 --> 00:23:54,193
Speaker 1: him about the video interviews. Yeah, the video interviews now

497
00:23:54,234 --> 00:23:58,354
Speaker 1: take place in the Revolution locker room. Yeah, they were live.

498
00:23:58,474 --> 00:24:00,674
Speaker 5: When you said video cams, I was thinking, was like

499
00:24:00,714 --> 00:24:03,353
Speaker 5: a web No, no, I don't know.

500
00:24:02,954 --> 00:24:06,194
Speaker 1: What you mean, no more webs. But you know, both

501
00:24:06,234 --> 00:24:08,074
Speaker 1: those guys talking about being soft, and I mean key

502
00:24:08,073 --> 00:24:10,154
Speaker 1: On White was, look, we've all been called way worse

503
00:24:10,194 --> 00:24:11,634
Speaker 1: than that. It's a reflection on the team. You look

504
00:24:11,634 --> 00:24:13,513
Speaker 1: at the tape, it's kind of what it was. So,

505
00:24:13,674 --> 00:24:15,954
Speaker 1: you know, we it's on us to play play better.

506
00:24:16,513 --> 00:24:18,513
Speaker 1: Good know, it's a good one. It was like, you know,

507
00:24:18,553 --> 00:24:20,954
Speaker 1: are you are you? You know, do you feel extra

508
00:24:20,994 --> 00:24:22,994
Speaker 1: motivated this week? He's like, we get paid a lot

509
00:24:22,994 --> 00:24:23,833
Speaker 1: of money to do this.

510
00:24:23,874 --> 00:24:24,833
Speaker 5: It's another good answer.

511
00:24:25,073 --> 00:24:27,474
Speaker 1: We yeah, just no bs from Keem White, which I

512
00:24:27,513 --> 00:24:30,473
Speaker 1: always kind of appreciate sometimes I think it's maybe got

513
00:24:30,553 --> 00:24:32,194
Speaker 1: him a little bit in trouble in the past, but

514
00:24:32,833 --> 00:24:35,273
Speaker 1: you know, just laying it out what it was. Kaishan

515
00:24:35,313 --> 00:24:38,033
Speaker 1: BOUTI same way. Evan was asking him a few questions

516
00:24:38,114 --> 00:24:41,434
Speaker 1: just about how he's been able to kind of rise

517
00:24:41,434 --> 00:24:42,713
Speaker 1: a little bit this year. I mean, I don't want

518
00:24:42,754 --> 00:24:44,634
Speaker 1: to overstate it. A couple you know, big plays over

519
00:24:44,674 --> 00:24:46,714
Speaker 1: the last couple of games. But it was interesting to

520
00:24:46,754 --> 00:24:48,994
Speaker 1: me because we always make fun of him not getting

521
00:24:49,033 --> 00:24:50,874
Speaker 1: his feet and bounce like that was like the thing,

522
00:24:51,754 --> 00:24:54,194
Speaker 1: but well, I don't know that being the thing, like

523
00:24:54,234 --> 00:24:55,913
Speaker 1: that being like what it was, And you know, I

524
00:24:55,914 --> 00:24:57,994
Speaker 1: always felt like he was kind of filling in in

525
00:24:58,033 --> 00:24:59,714
Speaker 1: that role and he didn't quite make the play, and

526
00:24:59,714 --> 00:25:01,714
Speaker 1: he's a rookie and he took a step back, but

527
00:25:01,833 --> 00:25:03,714
Speaker 1: in his response it was you know, I mean he

528
00:25:03,714 --> 00:25:05,634
Speaker 1: said he was like, you know, last year, Bill Belichick,

529
00:25:05,914 --> 00:25:08,793
Speaker 1: after one game, I didn't want I told the coaches.

530
00:25:08,833 --> 00:25:10,633
Speaker 1: This year, I think he swore, he swore, He's like,

531
00:25:10,674 --> 00:25:12,553
Speaker 1: there ain't no f and way I was going to

532
00:25:12,634 --> 00:25:15,153
Speaker 1: do that again this year. Evan, you know, asked him

533
00:25:15,194 --> 00:25:17,754
Speaker 1: follow up about, you know, just how he been able

534
00:25:17,793 --> 00:25:19,234
Speaker 1: to do it, and you know, just talked about his

535
00:25:19,474 --> 00:25:21,674
Speaker 1: attention every day, every looking at every day as you

536
00:25:21,714 --> 00:25:23,754
Speaker 1: know it's a cliche, but looking at every day as

537
00:25:23,754 --> 00:25:26,273
Speaker 1: an opportunity to get better and take advantage.

538
00:25:25,914 --> 00:25:29,273
Speaker 5: Of kind of the way I talked about him last week. Yeah,

539
00:25:29,634 --> 00:25:31,873
Speaker 5: last week might have been two weeks ago, but you

540
00:25:32,154 --> 00:25:34,714
Speaker 5: guys saying all the right things. Yeah, you know, I'm impressed.

541
00:25:34,994 --> 00:25:37,033
Speaker 5: I mean, the key on white stuff. I think that's

542
00:25:37,073 --> 00:25:40,833
Speaker 5: exactly how you should want to handle those questions, because

543
00:25:40,833 --> 00:25:43,594
Speaker 5: that can't be easy to be told that you're you're

544
00:25:43,593 --> 00:25:46,554
Speaker 5: playing soft. And let's face it, he's directing it right

545
00:25:46,593 --> 00:25:48,394
Speaker 5: at them because it's stopping the run.

546
00:25:48,593 --> 00:25:50,793
Speaker 4: Sure, well it's I think it's also running.

547
00:25:51,154 --> 00:25:53,474
Speaker 5: I know all the things that he said, Yeah, yeah,

548
00:25:53,593 --> 00:25:55,953
Speaker 5: I know all the different things he said, They just

549
00:25:55,994 --> 00:25:58,154
Speaker 5: they're allowing an average of one hundred and sixty five

550
00:25:58,234 --> 00:26:00,513
Speaker 5: yards a game on the ground. Since week two, they've

551
00:26:00,553 --> 00:26:02,314
Speaker 5: had some games where they've run the ball well since

552
00:26:02,313 --> 00:26:04,474
Speaker 5: week two. No, I haven't had any that they've stopped.

553
00:26:04,553 --> 00:26:09,073
Speaker 4: Ye, that's fair. Yeah, but you know they've they've changed

554
00:26:09,114 --> 00:26:11,593
Speaker 4: who they are in the last few weeks. They're there,

555
00:26:12,154 --> 00:26:15,194
Speaker 4: they are playing soft, and they've got to figure out

556
00:26:15,194 --> 00:26:17,674
Speaker 4: how to be tough. I think what helps in this

557
00:26:18,874 --> 00:26:21,394
Speaker 4: and what kind of helps him get away with saying

558
00:26:21,474 --> 00:26:23,794
Speaker 4: what he said is the fact that he has played

559
00:26:24,833 --> 00:26:26,994
Speaker 4: the game. Yeah, I think you're right at a high

560
00:26:27,114 --> 00:26:30,394
Speaker 4: level as a linebacker and you know, was not afraid

561
00:26:30,394 --> 00:26:32,833
Speaker 4: to get his you know, nose in there, and you know,

562
00:26:32,954 --> 00:26:35,313
Speaker 4: as a thumper. I think that kind of helped him

563
00:26:35,313 --> 00:26:38,154
Speaker 4: in this. I think otherwise he wouldn't, he would have

564
00:26:38,273 --> 00:26:42,754
Speaker 4: less credibility. So but still, I'm not saying that he

565
00:26:42,754 --> 00:26:45,154
Speaker 4: should have said what he said publicly, but I think

566
00:26:45,194 --> 00:26:46,393
Speaker 4: it's kind of helped him a little bit.

567
00:26:46,394 --> 00:26:48,434
Speaker 5: I don't, like, I don't have as big a problem

568
00:26:48,674 --> 00:26:50,994
Speaker 5: with what he said publicly as other people do. I

569
00:26:51,994 --> 00:26:55,234
Speaker 5: just I mean, it's probably not it's probably not something

570
00:26:55,273 --> 00:26:58,354
Speaker 5: I would have done, but I don't. I don't kill him.

571
00:26:58,394 --> 00:27:00,314
Speaker 5: I think he's trying to light a fire and I think,

572
00:27:00,553 --> 00:27:02,994
Speaker 5: you know, he's I think he's probably done some of

573
00:27:02,994 --> 00:27:06,273
Speaker 5: this stuff behind closed doors and doesn't feel like it's working.

574
00:27:06,874 --> 00:27:08,954
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, getting frustrated.

575
00:27:09,033 --> 00:27:11,553
Speaker 5: He is getting frustrated. I don't have a huge Like again,

576
00:27:11,634 --> 00:27:15,634
Speaker 5: it's probably not my style to go to go ripping everybody,

577
00:27:15,674 --> 00:27:20,114
Speaker 5: but I understand to me, like some of the other stuff, Mike,

578
00:27:20,154 --> 00:27:21,473
Speaker 5: I don't know. I didn't get a chance to talk

579
00:27:21,513 --> 00:27:23,833
Speaker 5: to you about the press conference afterwards, because I know

580
00:27:23,914 --> 00:27:26,234
Speaker 5: you go to the locker room. I was telling Fred, like,

581
00:27:26,313 --> 00:27:28,833
Speaker 5: just so that whole like interaction in the middle there,

582
00:27:28,914 --> 00:27:31,473
Speaker 5: because almost all of the male questions were related in

583
00:27:31,474 --> 00:27:35,033
Speaker 5: some way to Solft right, And he was like, yeah,

584
00:27:35,073 --> 00:27:36,914
Speaker 5: we just gotta you know, we got to stick together.

585
00:27:36,914 --> 00:27:39,153
Speaker 5: We got to prove people wrong. And I'm like, the

586
00:27:39,194 --> 00:27:42,113
Speaker 5: whole theme of the press conference is about the reaction

587
00:27:42,194 --> 00:27:44,913
Speaker 5: of your team from you calling them soft. Who are

588
00:27:44,954 --> 00:27:45,954
Speaker 5: you proving wrong?

589
00:27:47,234 --> 00:27:47,434
Speaker 4: Right?

590
00:27:48,234 --> 00:27:50,393
Speaker 5: Do you know what I mean? It's like we're going

591
00:27:50,434 --> 00:27:52,634
Speaker 5: to ignore the noise. Well you kind of created the noise.

592
00:27:52,714 --> 00:27:55,593
Speaker 5: Like so that's why I said, I don't have problem.

593
00:27:55,754 --> 00:27:57,674
Speaker 5: I really don't have a huge problem with Garrodd said,

594
00:27:57,674 --> 00:27:59,953
Speaker 5: but it's not exactly what I would have done. And

595
00:27:59,994 --> 00:28:03,033
Speaker 5: that's why, because you're creating like other I know what

596
00:28:03,073 --> 00:28:05,513
Speaker 5: you My guess is he's trying to light.

597
00:28:05,353 --> 00:28:07,033
Speaker 4: A fire unless he's like this.

598
00:28:07,234 --> 00:28:09,234
Speaker 5: But you also got to come with everything that was.

599
00:28:09,234 --> 00:28:09,833
Speaker 4: Going to create this.

600
00:28:10,073 --> 00:28:10,874
Speaker 5: Well I think he did.

601
00:28:11,033 --> 00:28:13,353
Speaker 4: Yeah, and then he wanted people to go into the

602
00:28:13,353 --> 00:28:16,153
Speaker 4: locker room and saying, are you softy? You know just

603
00:28:16,234 --> 00:28:19,273
Speaker 4: what he wants. Maybe that's what the end of intended goal?

604
00:28:19,313 --> 00:28:21,513
Speaker 4: And if it's that's true, we got what he wanted.

605
00:28:22,154 --> 00:28:24,034
Speaker 1: He's just you're watching it in real time. And I mean,

606
00:28:24,073 --> 00:28:26,793
Speaker 1: I've said many times I love coaching. I just think

607
00:28:26,833 --> 00:28:28,553
Speaker 1: coaching it. I did it once for a year in

608
00:28:28,634 --> 00:28:30,754
Speaker 1: club college hockey, but it was one of the hardest

609
00:28:31,033 --> 00:28:33,394
Speaker 1: experiences of my life and just trying to get maybe

610
00:28:33,434 --> 00:28:35,474
Speaker 1: you can sit you No, I don't think I could.

611
00:28:38,194 --> 00:28:41,633
Speaker 1: But you know, you're watching a coach struggle through some

612
00:28:41,674 --> 00:28:43,754
Speaker 1: of this and learning and growing pains, and I think

613
00:28:43,794 --> 00:28:45,474
Speaker 1: you know that was what to me is just so

614
00:28:45,594 --> 00:28:48,074
Speaker 1: hard as a coach, and it sounds stupid and sounds obvious,

615
00:28:48,114 --> 00:28:50,514
Speaker 1: but you have so many different personalities to manage and

616
00:28:50,874 --> 00:28:52,874
Speaker 1: you know you've got one kid, you know, speaking from

617
00:28:52,874 --> 00:28:55,594
Speaker 1: my experience, who's you know, a complete turd and just

618
00:28:55,634 --> 00:28:57,194
Speaker 1: as it, you know, and you didn't even see it

619
00:28:57,234 --> 00:28:59,274
Speaker 1: coming through the whole preseason, and all of a sudden

620
00:28:59,274 --> 00:29:01,354
Speaker 1: you get to a game and you al sudden realize, like, wow,

621
00:29:01,394 --> 00:29:03,354
Speaker 1: I have a total jackass on my team who's going

622
00:29:03,394 --> 00:29:05,034
Speaker 1: to take runs at people and is going to be

623
00:29:05,114 --> 00:29:07,873
Speaker 1: disrespectful with the referees And how do I deal with this?

624
00:29:07,994 --> 00:29:10,153
Speaker 1: And you know that's just one of my own personal

625
00:29:10,234 --> 00:29:13,074
Speaker 1: examples of it. But you're seeing all these different fires

626
00:29:13,074 --> 00:29:15,074
Speaker 1: pop up, and you're seeing every word that you say

627
00:29:15,114 --> 00:29:17,074
Speaker 1: being thrown back in your face with you know, maybe

628
00:29:17,074 --> 00:29:20,393
Speaker 1: without contact sometimes and you know it's I mean, even

629
00:29:20,474 --> 00:29:22,113
Speaker 1: Nick Sirianni go back a couple of weeks ago, he's

630
00:29:22,154 --> 00:29:24,514
Speaker 1: bringing his kid up and he gets killed for that.

631
00:29:24,634 --> 00:29:27,434
Speaker 1: You know, it's and he should have and it's it's

632
00:29:27,474 --> 00:29:29,274
Speaker 1: so hard to be a coach. And that's why I

633
00:29:29,314 --> 00:29:30,954
Speaker 1: have so much respect for the people who do it

634
00:29:30,994 --> 00:29:32,913
Speaker 1: really well and are able to keep a team together

635
00:29:33,234 --> 00:29:35,154
Speaker 1: and pull in the rope. And you know, I don't

636
00:29:35,154 --> 00:29:37,034
Speaker 1: want to want to become a Bill versus, but you

637
00:29:37,074 --> 00:29:39,554
Speaker 1: saw what Bill learned from his first year in first

638
00:29:39,634 --> 00:29:41,994
Speaker 1: years in Cleveland and what he took with him that was,

639
00:29:42,194 --> 00:29:43,954
Speaker 1: you know, hard to deal with sometimes. But I think

640
00:29:43,954 --> 00:29:45,913
Speaker 1: you have a little bit of an understanding now of

641
00:29:46,234 --> 00:29:48,154
Speaker 1: he wasn't going to trap himself. You know, one of

642
00:29:48,154 --> 00:29:49,834
Speaker 1: the very least things you could say about Bill was

643
00:29:50,034 --> 00:29:51,794
Speaker 1: he very rarely set a trap for himself that he

644
00:29:51,874 --> 00:29:53,314
Speaker 1: knew was going to get thrown into his friends.

645
00:29:53,474 --> 00:29:55,873
Speaker 5: Probably why he took it the other way and just

646
00:29:55,874 --> 00:29:59,874
Speaker 5: said I'm gonna say absolutely nothing. Yeah, because then that can't.

647
00:29:59,634 --> 00:30:01,594
Speaker 1: He's got to be a happy medium, right, There's got to.

648
00:30:01,554 --> 00:30:03,354
Speaker 5: Be a medium. Again. I don't like a lot of

649
00:30:03,394 --> 00:30:05,954
Speaker 5: people are saying, well, you want a transparency now. Yet

650
00:30:06,194 --> 00:30:10,834
Speaker 5: it's not necessarily what he's saying. It's that what he's

651
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Speaker 5: saying seems to change all the time, do you know

652
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Speaker 5: what I mean? Yeah, Like, I think you're okay if

653
00:30:16,274 --> 00:30:18,514
Speaker 5: you have a philosophy and you still you know, I

654
00:30:18,714 --> 00:30:21,633
Speaker 5: made the comment yesterday about like, well, a couple of

655
00:30:21,634 --> 00:30:23,754
Speaker 5: weeks ago, he was asked about his run defense against

656
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Speaker 5: Miami and he said, we have a tough team, we're

657
00:30:26,314 --> 00:30:29,633
Speaker 5: physical nothing. Two weeks later it's like, you know, we're soft,

658
00:30:30,034 --> 00:30:33,754
Speaker 5: We played soft, you know, like, to me, it's not

659
00:30:33,794 --> 00:30:37,674
Speaker 5: necessarily well, this is why you shouldn't say anything. I

660
00:30:37,714 --> 00:30:40,633
Speaker 5: didn't like that either. Well, but kind of find a

661
00:30:40,674 --> 00:30:41,754
Speaker 5: message and stick with it.

662
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Speaker 4: Yeah. On one of your morning shows today, they were

663
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Speaker 4: talking about, you know, other first year head coaches who

664
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Speaker 4: initially got criticized, you know, got off to rocky starts

665
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Speaker 4: and then kind of you know, recovered in later years.

666
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Speaker 4: And Dan Campbell was mentioned, and you know, we all

667
00:30:58,394 --> 00:31:01,514
Speaker 4: remember when Dan Campbell started. He had that opening, but

668
00:31:02,074 --> 00:31:05,234
Speaker 4: you know, and it was just like what does what

669
00:31:05,274 --> 00:31:07,713
Speaker 4: did the line We're going to buy a kneecap off right,

670
00:31:07,754 --> 00:31:09,234
Speaker 4: all right, and we're going to stand up and then

671
00:31:09,274 --> 00:31:10,194
Speaker 4: it's going to take two.

672
00:31:10,154 --> 00:31:12,274
Speaker 11: More shots to knock us down, all right, and on

673
00:31:12,314 --> 00:31:14,113
Speaker 11: the way up, we're going to take your other kneecap.

674
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Speaker 5: Did you see him? They had the Lions put out

675
00:31:17,314 --> 00:31:20,674
Speaker 5: a video postgame now locker room video.

676
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Speaker 4: He's just no, he's a nut, He's but that's one

677
00:31:25,434 --> 00:31:28,794
Speaker 4: of my points. So so like we all were like,

678
00:31:28,994 --> 00:31:31,554
Speaker 4: what is going on in Detroit? This this guy can't

679
00:31:31,554 --> 00:31:34,114
Speaker 4: do it? And you know a few years later, now

680
00:31:34,194 --> 00:31:36,034
Speaker 4: Detroit is one of the better teams in the league.

681
00:31:36,594 --> 00:31:37,954
Speaker 4: I don't think he's changed much.

682
00:31:38,354 --> 00:31:40,354
Speaker 1: I think he's that's who he was.

683
00:31:40,514 --> 00:31:43,714
Speaker 5: No, but what they have, I mean I would say

684
00:31:43,714 --> 00:31:46,153
Speaker 5: that that's a hard model to recreate. I mean, I

685
00:31:46,154 --> 00:31:49,234
Speaker 5: think they're exception that they have an offensive coordinator wh's excepted. No,

686
00:31:49,274 --> 00:31:52,194
Speaker 5: I'm not. But obviously their general manager has done a

687
00:31:52,234 --> 00:31:53,554
Speaker 5: pretty good job because.

688
00:31:53,914 --> 00:31:56,754
Speaker 4: They've got But my going back to if as long

689
00:31:56,794 --> 00:31:58,954
Speaker 4: as that's gets the credit for it, you just got

690
00:31:58,954 --> 00:32:04,034
Speaker 4: to be consistent and be you know, genuine you know,

691
00:32:04,274 --> 00:32:06,714
Speaker 4: so I think Gerard will will figure it out. I'm

692
00:32:06,714 --> 00:32:10,274
Speaker 4: hoping Gerard will figure it out, but like and that

693
00:32:10,354 --> 00:32:14,034
Speaker 4: he doesn't like completely, you know, change personality, because if

694
00:32:14,034 --> 00:32:16,314
Speaker 4: he does that, then he will lose the locker room.

695
00:32:16,834 --> 00:32:18,794
Speaker 4: Then then you're like, well, who are you? Are you

696
00:32:18,874 --> 00:32:21,393
Speaker 4: the guy that was you know, your first year or

697
00:32:21,514 --> 00:32:24,034
Speaker 4: is it the guy as long as you know he's

698
00:32:24,114 --> 00:32:29,433
Speaker 4: true to himself, he could be okay, But it's you know,

699
00:32:29,554 --> 00:32:31,714
Speaker 4: we've got to give him time right now, there's some

700
00:32:31,794 --> 00:32:35,514
Speaker 4: stumbling blocks that he's going over. There's no doubt, but

701
00:32:36,034 --> 00:32:39,354
Speaker 4: you've got people now, you know, fire him, fire everybody.

702
00:32:39,474 --> 00:32:42,514
Speaker 4: It's like it's it's so knee jerk.

703
00:32:42,634 --> 00:32:44,914
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean he keeps going back to the truth

704
00:32:44,914 --> 00:32:47,113
Speaker 1: of it all, which is that winning kind of cures everything,

705
00:32:47,154 --> 00:32:49,554
Speaker 1: and you know, you win a game, you find a

706
00:32:49,554 --> 00:32:51,474
Speaker 1: way to win a game, and all of a sudden, people,

707
00:32:51,754 --> 00:32:53,873
Speaker 1: you know, start to the narrative starts to change. But

708
00:32:54,434 --> 00:32:55,834
Speaker 1: until that point, I mean, I think that.

709
00:32:55,714 --> 00:32:58,394
Speaker 4: After dem Campbell would be gone if if they kept.

710
00:32:58,234 --> 00:33:00,393
Speaker 1: You know, but like you know, and as Paul was

711
00:33:00,434 --> 00:33:02,953
Speaker 1: alluding to, I mean, it's you know, successive of drafting

712
00:33:02,994 --> 00:33:04,994
Speaker 1: good players, and it's you know, and I think you

713
00:33:05,034 --> 00:33:07,674
Speaker 1: can have a head coach like that, where like the

714
00:33:07,714 --> 00:33:10,194
Speaker 1: stuff about Girod like not doing enough on the sidelines,

715
00:33:10,234 --> 00:33:12,633
Speaker 1: like that doesn't really ring true to me. Like, you know,

716
00:33:13,034 --> 00:33:15,274
Speaker 1: it would make people feel better if he was, you know,

717
00:33:15,474 --> 00:33:17,314
Speaker 1: kneeling down in front of the offense diary, and like

718
00:33:17,354 --> 00:33:18,994
Speaker 1: that's not going to be him. I don't expect that

719
00:33:19,074 --> 00:33:20,594
Speaker 1: to be him. Maybe you can say it on the

720
00:33:20,594 --> 00:33:22,714
Speaker 1: defensive side of the ball, like we got into yesterday.

721
00:33:22,754 --> 00:33:25,393
Speaker 1: But I just need like like this, Jim Harbaugh, that

722
00:33:25,394 --> 00:33:27,634
Speaker 1: guy John Harball. That guy was John Harbaugh, the guy

723
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Speaker 1: that's drawing up plays. I never really picture him as

724
00:33:29,794 --> 00:33:31,954
Speaker 1: the drawing up plays guy. He's just kind of bit

725
00:33:31,994 --> 00:33:34,474
Speaker 1: the steadfast leader in the tone center of Baltimore for

726
00:33:34,754 --> 00:33:37,794
Speaker 1: you know, and allowing his coordinators to evolve their offense.

727
00:33:37,834 --> 00:33:40,034
Speaker 1: They've always had a tough and respectable defense.

728
00:33:40,234 --> 00:33:40,393
Speaker 7: You know.

729
00:33:40,434 --> 00:33:41,194
Speaker 5: It's a great point.

730
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Speaker 1: So I don't know, it's not gonna make me feel

731
00:33:43,434 --> 00:33:44,994
Speaker 1: better if all of a sudden Girodd says I'm taking

732
00:33:45,034 --> 00:33:47,554
Speaker 1: over the defense. As I said yesterday, you don't know

733
00:33:47,634 --> 00:33:49,713
Speaker 1: for sure, but he just he's got to get back

734
00:33:49,754 --> 00:33:51,673
Speaker 1: to that place we were after Week one where they

735
00:33:51,674 --> 00:33:53,354
Speaker 1: won a game and you felt like you had some

736
00:33:53,434 --> 00:33:56,314
Speaker 1: validation and like they need something like that because as

737
00:33:56,314 --> 00:33:58,114
Speaker 1: we're seeing right now, like none of us have seen

738
00:33:58,114 --> 00:34:00,834
Speaker 1: a six game losing streak, right like that goes back

739
00:34:00,874 --> 00:34:02,834
Speaker 1: to the mid nineties, before you guys were even here.

740
00:34:03,114 --> 00:34:05,514
Speaker 1: So this is new charted territory for me. And you

741
00:34:05,514 --> 00:34:08,674
Speaker 1: can just see how things Snowball saw it in burst

742
00:34:08,754 --> 00:34:10,873
Speaker 1: last year when they would start to lose games and

743
00:34:10,914 --> 00:34:12,754
Speaker 1: you would feel it. But I've been saying to Paul,

744
00:34:12,794 --> 00:34:15,234
Speaker 1: it's just a different feel when always in the back

745
00:34:15,234 --> 00:34:17,393
Speaker 1: of your mind you thought, well, maybe Bill's gonna pull

746
00:34:17,394 --> 00:34:18,914
Speaker 1: these guys together, you know, like you always because you

747
00:34:18,994 --> 00:34:21,034
Speaker 1: know he's capable of it. He's done it and it

748
00:34:21,194 --> 00:34:23,834
Speaker 1: just kind of never happened, Whereas like Gerard, you have

749
00:34:23,874 --> 00:34:25,794
Speaker 1: to earn that, we have to see it, we have

750
00:34:25,834 --> 00:34:28,074
Speaker 1: to believe that. You know that these guys are gonna

751
00:34:28,074 --> 00:34:30,034
Speaker 1: want to pull it together and rally the you know,

752
00:34:30,114 --> 00:34:32,993
Speaker 1: circle the wagons around him. It's an opportunity this week,

753
00:34:33,034 --> 00:34:33,873
Speaker 1: but it's not going to be easy.

754
00:34:33,873 --> 00:34:35,433
Speaker 5: And then you look at things like the way it

755
00:34:35,514 --> 00:34:38,033
Speaker 5: all the way it's all unfolded, and you looked at

756
00:34:38,034 --> 00:34:40,634
Speaker 5: the schedule going in, and this is you know, Fred's

757
00:34:40,674 --> 00:34:43,634
Speaker 5: old theory, like don't judge the schedule because you never know.

758
00:34:44,393 --> 00:34:45,234
Speaker 5: Like it was supposed to.

759
00:34:45,194 --> 00:34:47,593
Speaker 1: Be murderers rough Yeah, yeah.

760
00:34:47,393 --> 00:34:50,274
Speaker 5: It hasn't been like right, They've they've lost to a

761
00:34:50,314 --> 00:34:52,354
Speaker 5: one in five team, to a you know a team

762
00:34:52,433 --> 00:34:55,713
Speaker 5: right now that's two and five, like one.

763
00:34:55,634 --> 00:34:56,274
Speaker 1: Of the worst defense.

764
00:34:56,354 --> 00:34:58,713
Speaker 5: The Niners were supposed to be, like the greatest team

765
00:34:58,754 --> 00:35:00,913
Speaker 5: in the league and they're three and four. I mean,

766
00:35:00,994 --> 00:35:02,033
Speaker 5: like the only team you.

767
00:35:02,074 --> 00:35:04,634
Speaker 4: Thought of the Jets going in this season is certainly

768
00:35:04,674 --> 00:35:07,834
Speaker 4: offensively is not what you're going to be facing this week.

769
00:35:07,994 --> 00:35:09,873
Speaker 4: They haven't played well offensed well.

770
00:35:09,794 --> 00:35:11,513
Speaker 5: Just in general. I'm just telling what the teams in

771
00:35:11,554 --> 00:35:14,193
Speaker 5: general and the Jags are two and five, The Jets

772
00:35:14,194 --> 00:35:16,473
Speaker 5: are two and five, the Niners at three and four,

773
00:35:16,834 --> 00:35:19,633
Speaker 5: the Bengals are three and four. Like you was, these

774
00:35:19,634 --> 00:35:21,473
Speaker 5: were all supposed to be great teams. I think the

775
00:35:21,514 --> 00:35:23,834
Speaker 5: only team with the winning the Dolphins, was supposed to

776
00:35:23,873 --> 00:35:25,913
Speaker 5: be great, the two and five, only team with a

777
00:35:26,594 --> 00:35:29,714
Speaker 5: winning record that they've played in Seattle. Yeah, and there

778
00:35:29,834 --> 00:35:33,234
Speaker 5: four and three? Right, yeah, you know so, like I

779
00:35:33,274 --> 00:35:36,154
Speaker 5: think everybody thought it was going to be really really

780
00:35:36,194 --> 00:35:40,633
Speaker 5: hard the schedule, and like the schedule hasn't really been hard,

781
00:35:41,034 --> 00:35:41,954
Speaker 5: and yet here.

782
00:35:41,794 --> 00:35:47,434
Speaker 4: We are, right And I think that adds to fans frustration, like, wow,

783
00:35:47,514 --> 00:35:49,673
Speaker 4: we know we we don't need to be this bad,

784
00:35:50,554 --> 00:35:53,074
Speaker 4: and yeah, and yet here we are, all right. H

785
00:35:53,194 --> 00:35:55,234
Speaker 4: eight five five pasts five hundred. Is the ACE ticket

786
00:35:55,314 --> 00:35:57,794
Speaker 4: hot Line, I'm sorry, not the Ace ticket hot Line,

787
00:35:57,834 --> 00:36:03,434
Speaker 4: the TPX the TPX Hotline podcast at Patriots dot com.

788
00:36:03,514 --> 00:36:07,033
Speaker 4: Is the email address we've got. Let's see, we've got

789
00:36:07,034 --> 00:36:09,154
Speaker 4: people on the line. Now, we've got a lot of emails.

790
00:36:09,194 --> 00:36:11,234
Speaker 4: So people complain because they didn't get to a lot

791
00:36:11,274 --> 00:36:15,433
Speaker 4: of emails yesterday. Paul, Yeah, yeah, but we had so

792
00:36:15,514 --> 00:36:16,834
Speaker 4: many it was unbelievable.

793
00:36:17,834 --> 00:36:19,433
Speaker 5: Me and alcoholics, I don't feel bad.

794
00:36:19,754 --> 00:36:22,274
Speaker 4: Let's go to Dylan in North Carolina. What's up, Dylan?

795
00:36:23,674 --> 00:36:24,634
Speaker 12: Hey, how you doing?

796
00:36:24,834 --> 00:36:25,033
Speaker 4: Hey?

797
00:36:27,714 --> 00:36:30,114
Speaker 13: The first thing I wanted to talk about was with

798
00:36:30,314 --> 00:36:34,114
Speaker 13: the road to Hunter Henry on the second drive, astall

799
00:36:34,234 --> 00:36:37,274
Speaker 13: may like lead him like he threw the ball before

800
00:36:37,314 --> 00:36:39,234
Speaker 13: he even cut and I was like, I haven't seen

801
00:36:39,274 --> 00:36:41,594
Speaker 13: that since Brady, and it was just like such a

802
00:36:41,634 --> 00:36:45,913
Speaker 13: great thing to see. And then I don't want to

803
00:36:46,194 --> 00:36:51,194
Speaker 13: like say Mayo should be fired, but it's like the

804
00:36:51,234 --> 00:36:53,754
Speaker 13: season goes like how it is now with all the

805
00:36:53,834 --> 00:36:56,754
Speaker 13: off season, is there off field issues? Do you think

806
00:36:56,794 --> 00:36:58,873
Speaker 13: there could be a change or do you think, like,

807
00:36:59,114 --> 00:37:01,754
Speaker 13: no matter what, he's gonna be the coach for next year.

808
00:37:01,834 --> 00:37:03,074
Speaker 13: I don't think it'll hear guys.

809
00:37:02,873 --> 00:37:06,354
Speaker 4: Think Okay, thanks Dylan, listen, I I you know, barring

810
00:37:06,994 --> 00:37:10,834
Speaker 4: like something really bad, Uh, he will be the coach

811
00:37:10,873 --> 00:37:11,274
Speaker 4: next year.

812
00:37:11,314 --> 00:37:13,513
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, I think you have to give him a chance.

813
00:37:13,514 --> 00:37:15,033
Speaker 1: I mean, as I said, I mean, he hasn't really

814
00:37:15,034 --> 00:37:16,993
Speaker 1: coached before, so you yeah, you know, I don't think

815
00:37:16,994 --> 00:37:20,234
Speaker 1: we anticipated growing pains with a new coach too. That's

816
00:37:20,354 --> 00:37:22,393
Speaker 1: you know, something that you know he's gonna step in

817
00:37:22,393 --> 00:37:23,913
Speaker 1: in a couple of times. That's just kind of how

818
00:37:23,953 --> 00:37:25,593
Speaker 1: it goes when you're you know, not used to under

819
00:37:25,594 --> 00:37:28,154
Speaker 1: the microscope. But I agree. I mean, I think it's

820
00:37:28,234 --> 00:37:31,194
Speaker 1: nice to see on may. You know, Dan Rolofsky came

821
00:37:31,194 --> 00:37:33,554
Speaker 1: out with, you know, with a nice little film breakdown

822
00:37:33,594 --> 00:37:35,714
Speaker 1: of him complimenting her. My note, Bodard was you know,

823
00:37:35,794 --> 00:37:38,553
Speaker 1: positive on him. It's just that's the silver lining here

824
00:37:38,634 --> 00:37:41,354
Speaker 1: is that you feel like the quarterback is making progression,

825
00:37:41,354 --> 00:37:43,034
Speaker 1: and let's face it, like, let's give some credit to

826
00:37:43,074 --> 00:37:45,794
Speaker 1: Alex Mampelton and the coaching staff. Like I just think

827
00:37:45,794 --> 00:37:47,354
Speaker 1: it's so stupid now to be like, well, he should

828
00:37:47,354 --> 00:37:49,433
Speaker 1: have played from the get go, Like it's they're doing

829
00:37:49,433 --> 00:37:52,913
Speaker 1: everything possible to just discredit the offensive coaching staff when

830
00:37:52,994 --> 00:37:54,673
Speaker 1: like all, I know, there's not a lot to say

831
00:37:54,674 --> 00:37:57,234
Speaker 1: positive right now, but the kid looks pretty good. We

832
00:37:57,234 --> 00:37:58,993
Speaker 1: were progressing. He's Paul and.

833
00:37:59,034 --> 00:38:02,274
Speaker 4: I were talking about that before you came, and I mean,

834
00:38:02,953 --> 00:38:06,074
Speaker 4: it looks like he's better than even just the summer

835
00:38:06,433 --> 00:38:10,553
Speaker 4: forget about college, and somebody should get credit for that, right,

836
00:38:10,594 --> 00:38:11,354
Speaker 4: He's a little.

837
00:38:11,274 --> 00:38:13,354
Speaker 1: Credit instead, they should have played him all a lot.

838
00:38:13,674 --> 00:38:16,834
Speaker 4: They certainly didn't ruin him. Yeah, and he's certainly getting

839
00:38:16,913 --> 00:38:20,953
Speaker 4: some good advice because he looks confident out there. He's

840
00:38:21,034 --> 00:38:23,954
Speaker 4: on time. You know, all the stuff that Olafsky said

841
00:38:24,354 --> 00:38:28,553
Speaker 4: we saw as well, and so somebody's doing something right. Right,

842
00:38:29,074 --> 00:38:32,154
Speaker 4: it's at least through two games, it seems to be

843
00:38:32,194 --> 00:38:34,673
Speaker 4: going in the right direction. You know. Now we'll see

844
00:38:34,714 --> 00:38:37,674
Speaker 4: against the Jets. The Jets have a whole different defense

845
00:38:37,714 --> 00:38:41,073
Speaker 4: that he's gonna have to contend with. Certainly, the first

846
00:38:41,074 --> 00:38:44,714
Speaker 4: time they played the Jets, seven sacks between him and Brissett,

847
00:38:45,674 --> 00:38:48,394
Speaker 4: So they're gonna get after him. They're gonna and they should.

848
00:38:48,634 --> 00:38:52,154
Speaker 4: They should test the Patriots offensive line that will be

849
00:38:52,194 --> 00:38:54,154
Speaker 4: different than the first time they played the Jets. But

850
00:38:56,034 --> 00:38:57,114
Speaker 4: you know, I don't know if they're going to do

851
00:38:57,114 --> 00:39:01,034
Speaker 4: any better against the Jets rush, But we'll see. And I,

852
00:39:01,674 --> 00:39:04,114
Speaker 4: like I told Paul, I'm looking forward to this test

853
00:39:04,314 --> 00:39:07,794
Speaker 4: for the offense. I'm looking forward to see what may

854
00:39:07,913 --> 00:39:11,594
Speaker 4: can do against this you know, I think formidable defense.

855
00:39:12,194 --> 00:39:14,874
Speaker 4: Will he be able to escape? You know in times

856
00:39:14,873 --> 00:39:17,633
Speaker 4: where Brissette wasn't able to escape the first time they

857
00:39:17,634 --> 00:39:21,274
Speaker 4: played the Jets, Will will may be able to turn

858
00:39:21,314 --> 00:39:25,873
Speaker 4: some of those plays into positives. So, you know, weird way,

859
00:39:25,913 --> 00:39:27,354
Speaker 4: I'm kind of looking forward to this game.

860
00:39:27,433 --> 00:39:28,953
Speaker 1: Oh for sure. Well, I think that's what I'm looking

861
00:39:29,034 --> 00:39:31,033
Speaker 1: these last ten games. That's what I'm looking forward to most.

862
00:39:31,034 --> 00:39:32,553
Speaker 1: But I would say, like, don't you feel like there's

863
00:39:32,594 --> 00:39:34,834
Speaker 1: going to be like we just caution, there's gonna probably

864
00:39:34,873 --> 00:39:36,873
Speaker 1: be a bad drake. Oh yeah, there's gonna be like

865
00:39:36,873 --> 00:39:38,594
Speaker 1: one of those games where he throws like two picks

866
00:39:38,634 --> 00:39:39,354
Speaker 1: no touchdowns.

867
00:39:39,354 --> 00:39:42,194
Speaker 4: Whether it's this game or there's gotta be, it's gonna be.

868
00:39:42,354 --> 00:39:44,674
Speaker 1: It has to queue this up twelve thirty nine if

869
00:39:44,714 --> 00:39:50,953
Speaker 1: this show is happens. But I think you see that

870
00:39:50,953 --> 00:39:53,393
Speaker 1: with all the young quarterbacks, especially as like defenses start

871
00:39:53,393 --> 00:39:55,234
Speaker 1: to catch up a little bit with him, And yeah,

872
00:39:55,234 --> 00:39:56,914
Speaker 1: I don't know, I'm not gonna panic when that happens.

873
00:39:57,514 --> 00:40:00,714
Speaker 4: How about down to Tennessee, Melvin? What's up Melvin.

874
00:40:04,873 --> 00:40:07,714
Speaker 10: In regards to you know of course that you know,

875
00:40:07,754 --> 00:40:09,873
Speaker 10: I just have the division kind of the coaches that

876
00:40:10,034 --> 00:40:12,274
Speaker 10: the thing and the players, and I think brazy hear

877
00:40:12,594 --> 00:40:15,913
Speaker 10: yesterday and maybe some point that you get your captains

878
00:40:15,953 --> 00:40:20,553
Speaker 10: evolved to kind of be that bridge, right, You want

879
00:40:20,594 --> 00:40:23,433
Speaker 10: your captains to kind of be the bridge and communicate

880
00:40:23,473 --> 00:40:26,553
Speaker 10: between the players and the coaches. So while they're going

881
00:40:26,634 --> 00:40:29,914
Speaker 10: through this kind of situation that they need some issues

882
00:40:29,953 --> 00:40:33,794
Speaker 10: to address. Would you be trying to let a lot

883
00:40:33,794 --> 00:40:37,794
Speaker 10: of your current players do a lot of the thing

884
00:40:37,913 --> 00:40:40,993
Speaker 10: or would you try to xerically going through it, or

885
00:40:41,034 --> 00:40:43,234
Speaker 10: would you try to like, not really, I'm not trying

886
00:40:43,234 --> 00:40:46,274
Speaker 10: to reach out and dissipac anybody, but maybe I need

887
00:40:47,393 --> 00:40:50,074
Speaker 10: Andrews or players like that, even though they're here but

888
00:40:50,154 --> 00:40:52,513
Speaker 10: not here if I want somebody to somebody in this

889
00:40:52,594 --> 00:40:55,554
Speaker 10: locker room just playing to step up bring this stuff together.

890
00:40:55,994 --> 00:40:57,553
Speaker 10: Or do you really feel like, how are you going

891
00:40:57,634 --> 00:41:00,394
Speaker 10: to go about making sure you have the right players

892
00:41:00,433 --> 00:41:03,834
Speaker 10: in place to rid this gap so that we can

893
00:41:03,873 --> 00:41:05,234
Speaker 10: get back out on the same page.

894
00:41:05,433 --> 00:41:08,634
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, thanks mom. But I mean there used to

895
00:41:08,674 --> 00:41:10,754
Speaker 4: be a thing where if you were injured, out of sight,

896
00:41:10,794 --> 00:41:13,274
Speaker 4: out of mind, you know, the coaches wouldn't want you around.

897
00:41:13,994 --> 00:41:15,473
Speaker 4: I hear what you're saying. I think there is some

898
00:41:15,634 --> 00:41:18,714
Speaker 4: merit to having a guy like Andrews around, certainly, but

899
00:41:18,794 --> 00:41:21,474
Speaker 4: I think it has to be the players that are playing.

900
00:41:21,834 --> 00:41:24,354
Speaker 4: It has to come from them. They're the ones that

901
00:41:24,393 --> 00:41:27,634
Speaker 4: are out there, the ones that are you know, playing

902
00:41:27,634 --> 00:41:30,794
Speaker 4: against the other team, having to you know, go through

903
00:41:30,834 --> 00:41:33,953
Speaker 4: the game plan, get ready for Sunday and then execute.

904
00:41:34,953 --> 00:41:38,033
Speaker 4: So the leadership right now, I think has to come

905
00:41:38,074 --> 00:41:41,473
Speaker 4: from within. It has you know, obviously it starts with

906
00:41:41,554 --> 00:41:46,034
Speaker 4: Gerrod that's, you know, the ultimate leader. But in terms

907
00:41:46,034 --> 00:41:48,993
Speaker 4: of the players, I think the leadership has to come

908
00:41:49,034 --> 00:41:52,513
Speaker 4: from within. I don't know right now who would step

909
00:41:52,594 --> 00:41:56,394
Speaker 4: up and be that leader. It's such a young team

910
00:41:56,473 --> 00:42:01,113
Speaker 4: in so many areas. You know, Dietrich wise maybe, but

911
00:42:01,473 --> 00:42:05,113
Speaker 4: he's just not. He's more like the kind of well,

912
00:42:05,114 --> 00:42:07,194
Speaker 4: at least from what I know, like the guy that

913
00:42:07,234 --> 00:42:10,634
Speaker 4: gets along with everyone, a great teammate. Not will, but

914
00:42:10,634 --> 00:42:12,314
Speaker 4: I'm not sure. He's the guy that will get in

915
00:42:12,393 --> 00:42:16,354
Speaker 4: your face and mf you as a teammate if you're

916
00:42:16,354 --> 00:42:19,594
Speaker 4: not doing your job. He's you know, I'm thinking guys

917
00:42:19,594 --> 00:42:23,674
Speaker 4: like McGinnis, like you said, Rodney Harrison. Of course, Brady,

918
00:42:24,114 --> 00:42:27,674
Speaker 4: you know, back in the days in Anthony pleasant and

919
00:42:27,873 --> 00:42:30,154
Speaker 4: you know, I'm going way back now, but these were

920
00:42:30,154 --> 00:42:33,234
Speaker 4: guys that will get in your face and set the tone.

921
00:42:33,314 --> 00:42:37,194
Speaker 4: And why weren't you you know, in the weight room earlier?

922
00:42:37,354 --> 00:42:41,593
Speaker 4: Why you walking in now? You know McGinnis would walk

923
00:42:41,594 --> 00:42:44,314
Speaker 4: through and the guys would be playing, you know, whatever game.

924
00:42:44,514 --> 00:42:48,154
Speaker 4: Why aren't you in your playbook, you know, because winning

925
00:42:48,794 --> 00:42:51,913
Speaker 4: was the most important thing to these guys. You know,

926
00:42:51,994 --> 00:42:54,433
Speaker 4: it didn't. Yeah, you're gonna make your money and you're

927
00:42:54,433 --> 00:42:57,634
Speaker 4: gonna do all this other stuff, but all of it

928
00:42:57,674 --> 00:43:00,674
Speaker 4: will be better if we win. All that other stuff

929
00:43:00,754 --> 00:43:03,873
Speaker 4: is better if we win. So while you're here, that's

930
00:43:03,873 --> 00:43:08,194
Speaker 4: what it's all about. And I don't know who that

931
00:43:08,234 --> 00:43:11,234
Speaker 4: person is right now, who's playing Who can be that

932
00:43:11,354 --> 00:43:15,033
Speaker 4: lead dog? I'm not you know, maybe it you know,

933
00:43:15,114 --> 00:43:18,274
Speaker 4: maybe eventually it's key On White, But he's only in

934
00:43:18,314 --> 00:43:22,754
Speaker 4: the second year, you know. You know, these these other

935
00:43:22,834 --> 00:43:26,513
Speaker 4: guys like they did stuff and they earned kind of

936
00:43:26,514 --> 00:43:30,073
Speaker 4: the right to be in people's face. I don't know,

937
00:43:30,194 --> 00:43:33,274
Speaker 4: I know it's but right it starts with your Rod.

938
00:43:33,554 --> 00:43:35,393
Speaker 4: He's got to be the guy right now because of

939
00:43:35,433 --> 00:43:37,314
Speaker 4: the inexperience of the rest of the team that.

940
00:43:37,274 --> 00:43:38,714
Speaker 1: They they've got to find their own way. I mean,

941
00:43:38,754 --> 00:43:40,593
Speaker 1: it's and I you know, as much as you love

942
00:43:40,674 --> 00:43:42,634
Speaker 1: David Andrews as a leader, and you know tjer Gwise

943
00:43:42,674 --> 00:43:44,513
Speaker 1: has taken on a leadership role the last couple of years,

944
00:43:44,514 --> 00:43:46,433
Speaker 1: these guys need to find their own way. They need

945
00:43:46,473 --> 00:43:49,274
Speaker 1: to make their own kind of structure outside of the

946
00:43:49,274 --> 00:43:52,714
Speaker 1: connection to the Belichick Patriots and you know what point,

947
00:43:52,794 --> 00:43:54,913
Speaker 1: do you know, three or four guys who played for

948
00:43:54,913 --> 00:43:57,154
Speaker 1: Bill Belichick tell you, you know, it's just not ringing

949
00:43:57,154 --> 00:43:59,993
Speaker 1: true anymore what their message is, because let's face it,

950
00:44:00,034 --> 00:44:02,314
Speaker 1: this is becoming the reality for this Patriots team. Team

951
00:44:02,314 --> 00:44:03,994
Speaker 1: that's you know, going out there and taking their lumps

952
00:44:04,074 --> 00:44:06,154
Speaker 1: right now. And you know, I think that's what you

953
00:44:06,234 --> 00:44:08,114
Speaker 1: hope And I said, I think before the season of

954
00:44:08,154 --> 00:44:10,074
Speaker 1: wanting Drake to get in, and I want him to

955
00:44:10,074 --> 00:44:10,314
Speaker 1: get in.

956
00:44:10,354 --> 00:44:10,953
Speaker 4: I want him to.

957
00:44:10,953 --> 00:44:14,553
Speaker 1: Form that foundation of even if it's losing of that

958
00:44:14,634 --> 00:44:16,834
Speaker 1: chip on their shoulder of you know, we're getting beat

959
00:44:16,873 --> 00:44:18,674
Speaker 1: down by the rest of the AFC East right now

960
00:44:18,714 --> 00:44:20,513
Speaker 1: like these teams are. You know, they're looking at us

961
00:44:20,514 --> 00:44:22,074
Speaker 1: as a get right game. The Jets are about to

962
00:44:22,114 --> 00:44:24,314
Speaker 1: waltz in here. You know, six months ago they beat

963
00:44:24,354 --> 00:44:26,154
Speaker 1: you for the first time and whatever it was seven

964
00:44:26,234 --> 00:44:28,553
Speaker 1: years and now they're coming in here like they own

965
00:44:28,594 --> 00:44:31,034
Speaker 1: the place. You know, these are the games and the

966
00:44:31,114 --> 00:44:33,194
Speaker 1: kind of you know, situations that are going to form

967
00:44:33,234 --> 00:44:35,873
Speaker 1: this new court from the ashes of which you hope

968
00:44:35,873 --> 00:44:38,274
Speaker 1: that a leader like key On White is saying, look,

969
00:44:38,314 --> 00:44:40,554
Speaker 1: we've been getting kicked in the teeth the last two years.

970
00:44:40,554 --> 00:44:42,594
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna allow this to happen. We you know,

971
00:44:42,634 --> 00:44:45,433
Speaker 1: we're no longer this Patriots team trying to live up

972
00:44:45,473 --> 00:44:47,913
Speaker 1: to a standard that was set here by another head

973
00:44:47,913 --> 00:44:49,913
Speaker 1: coach a long time ago. We're now a new team,

974
00:44:49,953 --> 00:44:51,953
Speaker 1: and you know, they have to make their own way.

975
00:44:52,034 --> 00:44:53,953
Speaker 1: Like I said, and that's I think what you're hoping.

976
00:44:54,034 --> 00:44:55,274
Speaker 1: But like you said, for it, I don't know who

977
00:44:55,314 --> 00:44:57,513
Speaker 1: those guys are gonna be. But let's face it, like

978
00:44:57,554 --> 00:44:59,834
Speaker 1: as David Andrews, we don't even know if he's gonna

979
00:44:59,834 --> 00:45:01,834
Speaker 1: be here next year. You know, those guy Jonathan Jones

980
00:45:01,913 --> 00:45:03,634
Speaker 1: a free agent, we don't know if he's gonna be

981
00:45:03,634 --> 00:45:05,914
Speaker 1: here this year. At a certain point, all those guys

982
00:45:05,953 --> 00:45:08,234
Speaker 1: that have that connection to Belichicks team are gonna be gone.

983
00:45:08,234 --> 00:45:09,714
Speaker 1: They need to make their own identity.

984
00:45:09,754 --> 00:45:13,514
Speaker 4: It's that competitive attitude, you know. We know the stories

985
00:45:13,554 --> 00:45:16,154
Speaker 4: about Brady how no matter what he was doing, whether

986
00:45:16,154 --> 00:45:19,194
Speaker 4: it was ping pong or football, he hated to lose.

987
00:45:19,794 --> 00:45:23,354
Speaker 4: You know that, you who are those people that they

988
00:45:23,473 --> 00:45:26,714
Speaker 4: just hate to lose? And you know all these guys

989
00:45:26,754 --> 00:45:29,994
Speaker 4: after they played Edelman and of course Brady, but Bruce

990
00:45:30,074 --> 00:45:35,154
Speaker 4: Ki and you know, Harris Rodney Harrison, all these guys

991
00:45:35,154 --> 00:45:38,394
Speaker 4: that are doing you know, Kelsey's and the Mannings. Yeah,

992
00:45:38,674 --> 00:45:40,593
Speaker 4: they made a lot of money, but the reason why

993
00:45:40,674 --> 00:45:43,914
Speaker 4: they're so successful now is because they won. It's because

994
00:45:43,953 --> 00:45:48,114
Speaker 4: they were winners. And and you know, the networks want winners.

995
00:45:48,393 --> 00:45:51,154
Speaker 4: They're not going to put people on TV who you know,

996
00:45:51,834 --> 00:45:54,114
Speaker 4: never won unless they're just an X and O's guys

997
00:45:54,114 --> 00:45:56,954
Speaker 4: like Dan Orlovsky. The guys that make the big money

998
00:45:57,393 --> 00:46:00,873
Speaker 4: on Sunday Morning and that the networks turned to are

999
00:46:00,913 --> 00:46:05,354
Speaker 4: the guys that won. Michael Strahans, you know, all that stuff,

1000
00:46:05,794 --> 00:46:09,034
Speaker 4: and it's how do you get that message to the

1001
00:46:09,114 --> 00:46:12,914
Speaker 4: young people. You know, money and social media, that's all great,

1002
00:46:13,274 --> 00:46:17,274
Speaker 4: but if you win, then you really get what you want.

1003
00:46:17,634 --> 00:46:19,634
Speaker 4: It's about winning, winning, winning.

1004
00:46:19,994 --> 00:46:22,513
Speaker 1: It's interesting how those Patriots of the late nineties though

1005
00:46:22,594 --> 00:46:25,634
Speaker 1: kind of were the foundation for the Dynasties, actually on

1006
00:46:25,634 --> 00:46:27,433
Speaker 1: the defensive side of the ball, where you know, guy

1007
00:46:27,473 --> 00:46:29,354
Speaker 1: like williamc. Ginnis went to a Super Bowl in it

1008
00:46:29,393 --> 00:46:31,593
Speaker 1: what a second year, you know, I mean they were

1009
00:46:31,634 --> 00:46:34,113
Speaker 1: in the playoffs, they were competitive. I mean they had

1010
00:46:34,154 --> 00:46:36,314
Speaker 1: you know, down year and what ninety nine to two thousand,

1011
00:46:36,393 --> 00:46:39,714
Speaker 1: Bill came in five wins and then you know, they're

1012
00:46:39,714 --> 00:46:42,513
Speaker 1: not only back, but they're that's not enough for them.

1013
00:46:42,594 --> 00:46:44,034
Speaker 1: I mean, I guess Bruski would have told you that.

1014
00:46:44,074 --> 00:46:45,473
Speaker 1: You know, two thousand and two, we kind of took

1015
00:46:45,473 --> 00:46:46,913
Speaker 1: a lot, you know, took the foot off the gas

1016
00:46:46,994 --> 00:46:49,993
Speaker 1: a little bit. But that team, it was almost like

1017
00:46:50,074 --> 00:46:53,314
Speaker 1: having that little bit of success made them hungry for real,

1018
00:46:53,433 --> 00:46:57,314
Speaker 1: real sustainable success that you know, is generational success that

1019
00:46:57,314 --> 00:47:00,433
Speaker 1: they ended up having. U So, I do wonder a

1020
00:47:00,473 --> 00:47:02,794
Speaker 1: team can't just continue to roll out there four win

1021
00:47:02,913 --> 00:47:05,834
Speaker 1: season two wins, you know, and never have any success.

1022
00:47:05,834 --> 00:47:08,393
Speaker 1: It's hard to pull. You gotta find a way. You've

1023
00:47:08,393 --> 00:47:10,433
Speaker 1: got to have a little bit of juice to get

1024
00:47:10,433 --> 00:47:12,274
Speaker 1: a little bit of win, to get the belief going,

1025
00:47:12,554 --> 00:47:14,393
Speaker 1: you know, so that guys now realize, all right, we

1026
00:47:14,433 --> 00:47:16,393
Speaker 1: had a good week, we can do it this way,

1027
00:47:16,473 --> 00:47:17,553
Speaker 1: and you start to build them.

1028
00:47:17,554 --> 00:47:19,873
Speaker 4: You got to find a way, and you know, you

1029
00:47:19,953 --> 00:47:23,994
Speaker 4: need better players. This offseason is critical and I think

1030
00:47:24,754 --> 00:47:27,234
Speaker 4: one of the things that Elliott Wolf should be looking for,

1031
00:47:27,314 --> 00:47:30,874
Speaker 4: and along with Gerrod Mayo, is bringing in a veteran

1032
00:47:30,994 --> 00:47:33,474
Speaker 4: or two who has that ship on their shoulder, who

1033
00:47:33,794 --> 00:47:36,993
Speaker 4: you know, maybe wasn't respected in his former team or

1034
00:47:37,114 --> 00:47:39,913
Speaker 4: came close but hasn't won it yet. But it's a

1035
00:47:39,953 --> 00:47:43,513
Speaker 4: really good player. They they had success doing that in

1036
00:47:43,554 --> 00:47:47,393
Speaker 4: the past, you know, with guys like Rodney Harrison and

1037
00:47:48,834 --> 00:47:52,354
Speaker 4: Randy Moss and Corey Dillon and you know, do you know,

1038
00:47:53,194 --> 00:47:55,794
Speaker 4: bring in those guys who aren't afraid to get in

1039
00:47:55,873 --> 00:47:59,594
Speaker 4: the face of their teammate because they have some credibility

1040
00:47:59,834 --> 00:48:03,994
Speaker 4: and ultimately they want to win. It's all about wanting

1041
00:48:04,034 --> 00:48:04,393
Speaker 4: to win.

1042
00:48:04,634 --> 00:48:07,993
Speaker 1: I'd even throw guys like like Rabel and you know,

1043
00:48:08,074 --> 00:48:10,754
Speaker 1: like Roman Feiffer, like you named off all the stars

1044
00:48:10,754 --> 00:48:13,074
Speaker 1: for it, but like the guys who maybe have some

1045
00:48:13,194 --> 00:48:15,794
Speaker 1: NFL experience, so there's a certain level of like you

1046
00:48:15,873 --> 00:48:17,754
Speaker 1: know who they are. But at the same time, these

1047
00:48:17,873 --> 00:48:20,834
Speaker 1: like Rabel was like the third outside linebacker in Pittsburgh.

1048
00:48:20,873 --> 00:48:23,034
Speaker 1: He's hungry. He wants a starting job, he wants a

1049
00:48:23,114 --> 00:48:25,913
Speaker 1: chance to you know, be the man right you know,

1050
00:48:25,913 --> 00:48:28,034
Speaker 1: where though those other pieces can be you know, nice

1051
00:48:28,433 --> 00:48:30,674
Speaker 1: kind of cherry on top of the of the personnel department.

1052
00:48:30,714 --> 00:48:33,433
Speaker 1: But to find, you know, in free agency, find some

1053
00:48:33,514 --> 00:48:35,754
Speaker 1: of those dogs, those guys that you know, maybe they

1054
00:48:36,034 --> 00:48:38,154
Speaker 1: don't have an ego yet, they they're the guys who

1055
00:48:38,194 --> 00:48:40,234
Speaker 1: are like, man, I'm just waiting for a team to

1056
00:48:40,234 --> 00:48:41,794
Speaker 1: give me my chance and then I'm gonna go out

1057
00:48:41,834 --> 00:48:44,433
Speaker 1: there and show them I'm attracted to those those kind

1058
00:48:44,473 --> 00:48:47,434
Speaker 1: of guys too. But it's it's it's a little daunting

1059
00:48:47,473 --> 00:48:49,794
Speaker 1: at this moment thinking about like the off season and

1060
00:48:50,194 --> 00:48:52,354
Speaker 1: the different holes and who's like, is Barmore going to

1061
00:48:52,433 --> 00:48:54,913
Speaker 1: be back? Is Jabrill Peppers a part of this team

1062
00:48:54,953 --> 00:48:57,473
Speaker 1: going forward or is he falling by the wayside. You know,

1063
00:48:57,514 --> 00:49:01,154
Speaker 1: there's just so many questions even before the offseason to identify.

1064
00:49:01,473 --> 00:49:04,434
Speaker 4: Yeah, Todd's in North Carolina, what's up Todd?

1065
00:49:05,634 --> 00:49:07,873
Speaker 12: Hey, guys, let's open. Paul would still be there.

1066
00:49:08,034 --> 00:49:10,074
Speaker 14: I think there's another reason why they tried to go

1067
00:49:10,194 --> 00:49:12,593
Speaker 14: first and try to go for two points, which trying

1068
00:49:12,594 --> 00:49:15,274
Speaker 14: to be defenseless, because it was just they were their

1069
00:49:15,354 --> 00:49:17,794
Speaker 14: passes were dragging on the field. They were doing nothing,

1070
00:49:18,234 --> 00:49:20,754
Speaker 14: and maybe even them some hope. I know it's twitch

1071
00:49:20,754 --> 00:49:22,314
Speaker 14: because a lot of it was a defense given hope,

1072
00:49:22,314 --> 00:49:24,554
Speaker 14: but I think maybe the defense needs that hope coming

1073
00:49:24,594 --> 00:49:27,674
Speaker 14: from the coming from the offense now, and that kind

1074
00:49:27,674 --> 00:49:29,513
Speaker 14: of puts a lot more pressure on Drake May which

1075
00:49:29,554 --> 00:49:32,194
Speaker 14: gets to my next point, and I'll take my answers

1076
00:49:32,194 --> 00:49:34,633
Speaker 14: off that st the point off the air. My next

1077
00:49:34,674 --> 00:49:36,553
Speaker 14: point is how long do we keep Drake in there

1078
00:49:36,594 --> 00:49:40,754
Speaker 14: and say, okay, it was some way he can watch

1079
00:49:40,994 --> 00:49:43,634
Speaker 14: this season. We can make it involved some more and

1080
00:49:43,714 --> 00:49:46,074
Speaker 14: keep going, because I am worried that, you know, somewhere

1081
00:49:46,074 --> 00:49:48,594
Speaker 14: along the line, you know, he might get wept. I

1082
00:49:48,634 --> 00:49:51,633
Speaker 14: think you're a good comment with your coaching. I think, yeah,

1083
00:49:51,674 --> 00:49:53,393
Speaker 14: he's been coached well, because he does seem to have

1084
00:49:53,393 --> 00:49:56,234
Speaker 14: improved a lot over what you guys were, you know,

1085
00:49:56,354 --> 00:50:01,553
Speaker 14: documenting you, Evan, everybody, Paul were documenting his ability in

1086
00:50:01,634 --> 00:50:03,794
Speaker 14: the training camps and saying, look, you know this is

1087
00:50:03,834 --> 00:50:07,514
Speaker 14: why he's not starting, and he seems to really have progressed.

1088
00:50:07,514 --> 00:50:09,473
Speaker 14: So I'm just worried it maybe you put him in

1089
00:50:09,473 --> 00:50:11,754
Speaker 14: too long, you like to overcook the meat, and it's

1090
00:50:11,754 --> 00:50:14,794
Speaker 14: all bringing ghost that kind of thing anyway speculated.

1091
00:50:14,354 --> 00:50:15,554
Speaker 4: By him, did you.

1092
00:50:16,834 --> 00:50:19,234
Speaker 1: I hope I got the gist of it, Todd, but

1093
00:50:19,354 --> 00:50:20,913
Speaker 1: I'm not. I'm not worried. I think they're going to

1094
00:50:20,953 --> 00:50:22,433
Speaker 1: be ups and downs. I think that's what people have

1095
00:50:22,473 --> 00:50:24,394
Speaker 1: to realize. It's not going to just be a straight

1096
00:50:24,393 --> 00:50:26,914
Speaker 1: line to greatness, you know, for Drake May, It's gonna

1097
00:50:26,913 --> 00:50:29,514
Speaker 1: be like we said, earlier. There's gonna be some games

1098
00:50:29,554 --> 00:50:31,873
Speaker 1: where you know, he might get banged up, and I mean,

1099
00:50:31,913 --> 00:50:32,434
Speaker 1: but that's.

1100
00:50:32,514 --> 00:50:35,433
Speaker 4: And look bad again. He just looks bad and this

1101
00:50:35,473 --> 00:50:37,794
Speaker 4: could be the game you know, who knows, But but.

1102
00:50:37,794 --> 00:50:39,633
Speaker 1: I'll take it the last two games, what we've seen

1103
00:50:39,674 --> 00:50:42,073
Speaker 1: from him, based on what we've seen the last couple

1104
00:50:42,114 --> 00:50:44,873
Speaker 1: of years, like it should. I wish it was worth more.

1105
00:50:44,913 --> 00:50:46,474
Speaker 1: Like I wish that you could just kind of whistle

1106
00:50:46,473 --> 00:50:48,514
Speaker 1: past the graveyard and be like, I feel really excited

1107
00:50:48,554 --> 00:50:50,953
Speaker 1: about the quarterback. But it's hard to when you know

1108
00:50:50,953 --> 00:50:53,393
Speaker 1: they're playing this badly, especially on the defensive side of

1109
00:50:53,393 --> 00:50:53,713
Speaker 1: the ball.

1110
00:50:54,594 --> 00:50:57,633
Speaker 4: On the going for two things, I think they had

1111
00:50:57,634 --> 00:51:00,033
Speaker 4: a little momentum, and by missing that too, I think

1112
00:51:00,034 --> 00:51:03,873
Speaker 4: you killed it. Yeah, I so, I I yeah.

1113
00:51:03,913 --> 00:51:06,393
Speaker 1: And I would have liked the defense to to be motivated,

1114
00:51:06,473 --> 00:51:08,274
Speaker 1: you know, being picked up by getting a ten point

1115
00:51:08,314 --> 00:51:10,274
Speaker 1: lead to start the game. And then you know then

1116
00:51:10,274 --> 00:51:12,714
Speaker 1: they kind of had nothing going into that second quarter

1117
00:51:12,754 --> 00:51:14,834
Speaker 1: where I mean through the third quarter, they just they

1118
00:51:14,834 --> 00:51:16,874
Speaker 1: couldn't get off the field, they couldn't get a stop.

1119
00:51:16,953 --> 00:51:19,234
Speaker 1: So I mean, I just I want more from the

1120
00:51:19,873 --> 00:51:21,993
Speaker 1: from the defense to play. I think everybody does, Like

1121
00:51:22,034 --> 00:51:24,234
Speaker 1: you just want to rally around the kid, you know,

1122
00:51:24,274 --> 00:51:25,834
Speaker 1: I would like and its like a know, a high

1123
00:51:25,873 --> 00:51:27,714
Speaker 1: school football team or like the freshman's in there and

1124
00:51:27,714 --> 00:51:29,714
Speaker 1: we got to protect the kid. And he's good, so

1125
00:51:29,794 --> 00:51:31,073
Speaker 1: you know, if we just can play good for him,

1126
00:51:31,114 --> 00:51:33,034
Speaker 1: and sometimes that's you know, what a team needs to

1127
00:51:33,274 --> 00:51:35,354
Speaker 1: get going. But it hasn't been good enough yet.

1128
00:51:35,433 --> 00:51:37,794
Speaker 4: Kendall in North Carolina. I hate Kendall.

1129
00:51:39,514 --> 00:51:42,274
Speaker 1: And he's going on guys.

1130
00:51:42,913 --> 00:51:43,354
Speaker 12: Quick quick.

1131
00:51:43,754 --> 00:51:46,834
Speaker 9: I say, y'all don't care about wins or losses this year,

1132
00:51:46,953 --> 00:51:49,993
Speaker 9: and I think the win total was thank for, So

1133
00:51:50,074 --> 00:51:52,914
Speaker 9: what about what's the expectations? But make sure about seven

1134
00:51:52,994 --> 00:51:55,033
Speaker 9: games or or fight for a playoff spot?

1135
00:51:56,393 --> 00:51:59,193
Speaker 4: Okay, thank I mean Kendall. It's it's hard. It's hard

1136
00:51:59,234 --> 00:52:03,873
Speaker 4: to have an expectation for next year without knowing what

1137
00:52:03,913 --> 00:52:08,033
Speaker 4: they do in the offseason. But assuming they do a

1138
00:52:08,114 --> 00:52:11,953
Speaker 4: few move, you know, good moves, I would imagine that,

1139
00:52:12,714 --> 00:52:14,993
Speaker 4: you know, they can win maybe seven games next year.

1140
00:52:15,034 --> 00:52:18,274
Speaker 4: But it's it's way too early. You know. A lot

1141
00:52:18,274 --> 00:52:21,034
Speaker 4: of it is does Drake May can continue to progress?

1142
00:52:21,873 --> 00:52:25,754
Speaker 4: Uh So I'm not even thinking about next year record.

1143
00:52:26,074 --> 00:52:30,473
Speaker 4: But I will say this, if if they hit on

1144
00:52:30,754 --> 00:52:33,913
Speaker 4: a couple draft picks. If they do bring in a

1145
00:52:33,953 --> 00:52:38,794
Speaker 4: couple good free agents and Drake May continues to progress,

1146
00:52:39,913 --> 00:52:42,993
Speaker 4: they can turn this thing around in short order where

1147
00:52:43,074 --> 00:52:46,514
Speaker 4: in two years, maybe in twenty twenty six, they're actually

1148
00:52:46,514 --> 00:52:50,194
Speaker 4: competing for a playoff spot. But they've got to hit

1149
00:52:50,234 --> 00:52:53,634
Speaker 4: these things. They've you know, they you know, they can't

1150
00:52:53,674 --> 00:52:55,834
Speaker 4: just have one guy out of the draft that makes

1151
00:52:56,274 --> 00:52:59,514
Speaker 4: an impact. They've got to get two to three impact

1152
00:52:59,554 --> 00:53:04,074
Speaker 4: players out of the draft, plus you know, at least

1153
00:53:04,074 --> 00:53:07,754
Speaker 4: two free agents that they bring in. Oh and then

1154
00:53:07,794 --> 00:53:10,914
Speaker 4: the guys that are here, like you know, the Keyon

1155
00:53:10,953 --> 00:53:14,873
Speaker 4: Whites and the Drake Mays take that next step. So

1156
00:53:15,674 --> 00:53:18,154
Speaker 4: it's a lot, a lot of these things happen. For

1157
00:53:18,234 --> 00:53:20,914
Speaker 4: the quick turnaround that I'm talking about, all those things

1158
00:53:20,953 --> 00:53:22,914
Speaker 4: have to happen. It's not easy.

1159
00:53:22,994 --> 00:53:24,714
Speaker 1: I just think though you look at like the teams

1160
00:53:24,794 --> 00:53:26,794
Speaker 1: right now that are in the three wildcard spots, or

1161
00:53:26,794 --> 00:53:29,154
Speaker 1: the teams like it's not that overwhelming, like these aren't

1162
00:53:29,154 --> 00:53:31,194
Speaker 1: like these juggernauts, and oh my god, it seems so

1163
00:53:31,913 --> 00:53:34,433
Speaker 1: far away. It can happen quick. And look, there's not

1164
00:53:34,473 --> 00:53:36,754
Speaker 1: a lot of big pieces to worry about right now.

1165
00:53:36,754 --> 00:53:38,514
Speaker 1: And I mean you can take that for what it means,

1166
00:53:38,514 --> 00:53:40,473
Speaker 1: but for better or worse. But they did all the

1167
00:53:40,514 --> 00:53:44,194
Speaker 1: heavy lifting internally last year. Like Jonathan Jones certainly a

1168
00:53:44,234 --> 00:53:47,234
Speaker 1: piece to consider, who's a starter, who's going to be

1169
00:53:47,234 --> 00:53:49,873
Speaker 1: a free agent. But I mean, really otherwise, you're just

1170
00:53:49,953 --> 00:53:52,433
Speaker 1: kind of looking at upgrading and building around this core

1171
00:53:52,554 --> 00:53:54,114
Speaker 1: that's going to be here. So you might hate a

1172
00:53:54,154 --> 00:53:56,673
Speaker 1: lot of these players, but they're all kind of under

1173
00:53:56,674 --> 00:53:59,234
Speaker 1: contract to come back, so you know they have their

1174
00:53:59,354 --> 00:54:00,993
Speaker 1: least starting from a certain place. I just say they

1175
00:54:01,074 --> 00:54:03,314
Speaker 1: got to be in that mix of those wildcard teams

1176
00:54:03,314 --> 00:54:05,873
Speaker 1: next year. If you're just looking at it from you know,

1177
00:54:05,953 --> 00:54:08,113
Speaker 1: Drameo and Ellie Wolf came in last year. It's year

1178
00:54:08,114 --> 00:54:10,314
Speaker 1: two of a rebuild. You feel like you found the quarterback.

1179
00:54:10,473 --> 00:54:12,754
Speaker 1: You're gonna have a bunch of cap space and draft

1180
00:54:12,794 --> 00:54:15,234
Speaker 1: picks this year to do what you want. You know,

1181
00:54:15,274 --> 00:54:17,194
Speaker 1: I would expect to try to be in that six

1182
00:54:17,274 --> 00:54:19,234
Speaker 1: seven win but i'd like to see at the end

1183
00:54:19,274 --> 00:54:21,874
Speaker 1: of this year to feel like some reason to believe

1184
00:54:21,913 --> 00:54:24,673
Speaker 1: that that could be coming. But right now, it's hard

1185
00:54:24,674 --> 00:54:26,714
Speaker 1: to say. It's like you know, you're you're at the

1186
00:54:26,714 --> 00:54:27,513
Speaker 1: low point right now.

1187
00:54:27,873 --> 00:54:30,474
Speaker 4: Eldred North Carolina, what's up Eldred.

1188
00:54:32,314 --> 00:54:35,474
Speaker 8: Hey fellow, tell y'all doing Hey.

1189
00:54:35,274 --> 00:54:38,354
Speaker 1: Paul, he's not here, he's shooting a TV show.

1190
00:54:39,194 --> 00:54:40,113
Speaker 12: Shooting a TV show.

1191
00:54:40,154 --> 00:54:41,634
Speaker 8: Okay, well it's kill Paul.

1192
00:54:42,754 --> 00:54:45,754
Speaker 15: I agree with every word he said about May and

1193
00:54:46,953 --> 00:54:50,994
Speaker 15: Bean Pell and mccordy and the other guy. That's deepen

1194
00:54:51,034 --> 00:54:54,514
Speaker 15: Drake May, because two years ago to speak with nothing

1195
00:54:54,594 --> 00:54:59,993
Speaker 15: like that the last two games, I'm impressed very yeah, so.

1196
00:55:00,034 --> 00:55:02,153
Speaker 16: I ain't think you'll get there that point.

1197
00:55:02,754 --> 00:55:04,794
Speaker 8: And if they keep working with him, I.

1198
00:55:04,834 --> 00:55:08,794
Speaker 15: Might be about made Jersey, like next week, let's go

1199
00:55:09,393 --> 00:55:10,953
Speaker 15: if that, so.

1200
00:55:11,554 --> 00:55:16,594
Speaker 8: You know, it's beat whole lot better. But it's always

1201
00:55:16,634 --> 00:55:19,834
Speaker 8: like it's the draft, And like I said on the

1202
00:55:19,913 --> 00:55:22,873
Speaker 8: post game show, I'm just taking it year by year

1203
00:55:23,034 --> 00:55:26,834
Speaker 8: because it's it's a rebuilding from now. It could have

1204
00:55:26,873 --> 00:55:30,553
Speaker 8: been five years ago, but regime didn't want to do it.

1205
00:55:30,953 --> 00:55:32,714
Speaker 8: So everybody, you got to get back and be patient.

1206
00:55:33,234 --> 00:55:36,154
Speaker 8: You know, everybody want to win, but we don't want

1207
00:55:36,114 --> 00:55:39,073
Speaker 8: to have that bag this time. And here we get

1208
00:55:39,074 --> 00:55:42,314
Speaker 8: your bag and fella, you'll have a good one.

1209
00:55:42,433 --> 00:55:44,274
Speaker 4: All right, thank you, it's all too Elders.

1210
00:55:44,314 --> 00:55:46,074
Speaker 1: He just needed Drake made to clean up his footwork,

1211
00:55:46,074 --> 00:55:48,234
Speaker 1: and he's he's in on a jersey. He's in there you.

1212
00:55:48,194 --> 00:55:52,033
Speaker 4: Go, Mike, and Ithaca New York says, this is on

1213
00:55:52,114 --> 00:55:54,913
Speaker 4: podcasts at Patriots dot Com the email address, I got

1214
00:55:54,913 --> 00:55:58,754
Speaker 4: a weird thought experiment that might be interesting. I agree

1215
00:55:58,794 --> 00:56:01,433
Speaker 4: with Evan that I think Mayo should take a more

1216
00:56:01,473 --> 00:56:04,953
Speaker 4: hands on approach with the defense, because my god, seventeen

1217
00:56:05,034 --> 00:56:07,873
Speaker 4: run plays in a row. Join me in my land

1218
00:56:07,913 --> 00:56:11,194
Speaker 4: of make believe for a second. Let's say Mayo doesn't

1219
00:56:11,314 --> 00:56:14,073
Speaker 4: put more into the defense in the interest of still

1220
00:56:14,074 --> 00:56:17,194
Speaker 4: being a CEO type head coach. Do you think Elliott

1221
00:56:17,194 --> 00:56:21,194
Speaker 4: Wolf would make a call to Robert Salam crazy? I know,

1222
00:56:21,354 --> 00:56:24,234
Speaker 4: but stranger things have happened. If not, is there any

1223
00:56:24,314 --> 00:56:27,834
Speaker 4: chance Mayo calls up old friend Brian Belichick and tries

1224
00:56:27,873 --> 00:56:32,114
Speaker 4: to persuade him away from you mean, Steve Belichick. I

1225
00:56:32,194 --> 00:56:32,754
Speaker 4: don't think so.

1226
00:56:32,913 --> 00:56:34,673
Speaker 1: I don't think so. I just I don't. I don't

1227
00:56:34,714 --> 00:56:36,513
Speaker 1: really see this. I just I think it's kind of

1228
00:56:36,834 --> 00:56:39,354
Speaker 1: shuffling things around just to try to make yourself feel better.

1229
00:56:39,354 --> 00:56:42,913
Speaker 1: I mean, I mean, DeMarcus Covington has more experience coaching

1230
00:56:43,074 --> 00:56:45,794
Speaker 1: this defense than Girod does. I mean, he's been here

1231
00:56:45,834 --> 00:56:48,073
Speaker 1: longer so, and I'm sure the message is the same.

1232
00:56:48,114 --> 00:56:50,913
Speaker 1: They've both been taught the same way. They've fought through

1233
00:56:50,913 --> 00:56:53,274
Speaker 1: the same problems over the last few years together and

1234
00:56:53,554 --> 00:56:55,674
Speaker 1: figuring these kind of situations away. I don't think that

1235
00:56:55,994 --> 00:56:58,634
Speaker 1: Giro Mayo's got all these different answers that you know,

1236
00:56:58,714 --> 00:57:01,953
Speaker 1: DeMarcus Covington wouldn't already kind of know it's and like

1237
00:57:01,994 --> 00:57:04,514
Speaker 1: you said today in the press conference, they're they're working together.

1238
00:57:04,834 --> 00:57:06,634
Speaker 1: I mean, if you just need to see change for

1239
00:57:06,714 --> 00:57:08,993
Speaker 1: change sake, then I get it. But you know, like

1240
00:57:09,034 --> 00:57:10,714
Speaker 1: I said earlier in the show, not every head coaches

1241
00:57:10,794 --> 00:57:13,433
Speaker 1: up there diagramming plays on the sidelines, and you know

1242
00:57:13,554 --> 00:57:16,354
Speaker 1: it's Girod's got to do it the way he's gonna

1243
00:57:16,354 --> 00:57:18,754
Speaker 1: do it. He's empowering these coordinators to make the changes.

1244
00:57:18,794 --> 00:57:20,714
Speaker 1: And like I said, you've seen a little bit of

1245
00:57:20,754 --> 00:57:23,474
Speaker 1: progress on the offensive side of the ball. So but

1246
00:57:23,514 --> 00:57:25,113
Speaker 1: I agree with the point they got to be better

1247
00:57:25,114 --> 00:57:27,034
Speaker 1: on defense. I just don't know if that's.

1248
00:57:27,114 --> 00:57:30,474
Speaker 4: I mean, I'm looking at the reaction of everybody, including myself,

1249
00:57:30,514 --> 00:57:32,874
Speaker 4: and you know, I look at it two ways, like

1250
00:57:32,994 --> 00:57:34,954
Speaker 4: try to find a silver lining in it, and you know,

1251
00:57:35,034 --> 00:57:38,434
Speaker 4: one way, we are spoiled. We're not used to this.

1252
00:57:38,474 --> 00:57:41,874
Speaker 4: This is jarring. But at the other on the other hand,

1253
00:57:42,154 --> 00:57:45,194
Speaker 4: I'm glad that people are so pissed off and care

1254
00:57:45,274 --> 00:57:50,194
Speaker 4: that much. Yeah, we're certainly not seeing apathy, which is

1255
00:57:50,274 --> 00:57:53,314
Speaker 4: the worst thing any franchise can have from its fan base.

1256
00:57:54,114 --> 00:57:59,554
Speaker 4: So you know, I maybe the emotion is really good, So.

1257
00:57:59,674 --> 00:58:02,154
Speaker 1: You've got to cleanse the palette here. Unfortunately, all the

1258
00:58:02,554 --> 00:58:04,633
Speaker 1: Patriots fans that hopped on the bandwagon and thought it.

1259
00:58:04,554 --> 00:58:05,634
Speaker 6: Was it was easy.

1260
00:58:06,274 --> 00:58:08,194
Speaker 1: But I've been here before. We saw we saw in

1261
00:58:08,234 --> 00:58:09,754
Speaker 1: ninety one, ninety two, I remember those.

1262
00:58:10,114 --> 00:58:14,314
Speaker 4: That was a long time. Yeah, Matt and Baltimore writes

1263
00:58:14,354 --> 00:58:17,394
Speaker 4: in I'm not sure what the uproar is all about

1264
00:58:17,434 --> 00:58:20,434
Speaker 4: with the media, coaches and fans after losing to Jacksonville.

1265
00:58:20,714 --> 00:58:23,914
Speaker 4: The Patriots season is already a success. Drake May is

1266
00:58:23,914 --> 00:58:26,434
Speaker 4: a superstar in the making, and they did a good

1267
00:58:26,514 --> 00:58:29,514
Speaker 4: job grooming him behind Jacoby until he was ready to start.

1268
00:58:29,834 --> 00:58:33,554
Speaker 4: The Patriots goals going forward should be continue to develop

1269
00:58:33,594 --> 00:58:37,714
Speaker 4: May without getting him killed. Develop your other younger players

1270
00:58:37,754 --> 00:58:40,874
Speaker 4: who will be here when May hits his stride to

1271
00:58:40,954 --> 00:58:46,474
Speaker 4: Mario Douglas, Polk, Javon Baker, Gonzalez, White Wallace, etc. Develop

1272
00:58:46,554 --> 00:58:49,954
Speaker 4: the right culture Mayo needs to say less and more

1273
00:58:49,994 --> 00:58:52,674
Speaker 4: of the right things. He does need his players to

1274
00:58:52,714 --> 00:58:55,593
Speaker 4: be smart and tough, but talking to the media is

1275
00:58:55,634 --> 00:58:58,754
Speaker 4: not the way to do it. He needs to mature

1276
00:58:58,874 --> 00:59:03,194
Speaker 4: and help his players mature. The Patriots season is already

1277
00:59:03,194 --> 00:59:05,994
Speaker 4: a success considering the development of May, and their next

1278
00:59:05,994 --> 00:59:08,874
Speaker 4: season begins with the draft and free agency. I root

1279
00:59:08,954 --> 00:59:11,714
Speaker 4: every week for them to pick at the top of

1280
00:59:11,754 --> 00:59:15,914
Speaker 4: the oh I root every week for them to lose.

1281
00:59:16,354 --> 00:59:18,194
Speaker 4: If they get the number one pick next year, they

1282
00:59:18,194 --> 00:59:21,234
Speaker 4: can flip that into multiple first round choices and pick

1283
00:59:21,274 --> 00:59:23,794
Speaker 4: up the top of the later rounds. If they could

1284
00:59:23,914 --> 00:59:26,834
Speaker 4: kill the draft. If they could kill the draft. Combine

1285
00:59:26,834 --> 00:59:29,434
Speaker 4: that with a successful free agency, and you give your

1286
00:59:29,474 --> 00:59:32,874
Speaker 4: team an instant shot of adrenaline. Focus on items one

1287
00:59:32,914 --> 00:59:35,434
Speaker 4: through three above. Don't win any more games this year,

1288
00:59:35,754 --> 00:59:38,794
Speaker 4: and the Patriots will have a bright twenty five year future.

1289
00:59:38,994 --> 00:59:41,474
Speaker 1: Well, I mean, I understand what he's saying. I just

1290
00:59:41,474 --> 00:59:43,194
Speaker 1: I don't want the first overall pick. I don't want

1291
00:59:43,234 --> 00:59:45,073
Speaker 1: that one. I think that one's gonna be so hard

1292
00:59:45,114 --> 00:59:47,314
Speaker 1: to move, Like, I think the sweet spot is like

1293
00:59:47,394 --> 00:59:50,434
Speaker 1: three four five, where you know a few picks will happen,

1294
00:59:50,794 --> 00:59:53,394
Speaker 1: then someone will fall. You know that another team really

1295
00:59:53,394 --> 00:59:55,994
Speaker 1: wants and then you're able to move it. My worry

1296
00:59:56,074 --> 00:59:57,634
Speaker 1: is that you don't need a quarterback and you get

1297
00:59:57,674 --> 01:00:00,074
Speaker 1: stuck with the first overall pick and then you're not

1298
01:00:00,194 --> 01:00:02,834
Speaker 1: able to move it. You're gonna you know, maybe overdraft

1299
01:00:02,834 --> 01:00:05,114
Speaker 1: a position to need. You know, maybe there isn't somebody

1300
01:00:05,114 --> 01:00:07,314
Speaker 1: that quite fits. So I also just say I want

1301
01:00:07,314 --> 01:00:08,554
Speaker 1: to spark at the end of this year. I want

1302
01:00:08,594 --> 01:00:10,714
Speaker 1: to feel good about something other than just Drake may

1303
01:00:10,754 --> 01:00:13,354
Speaker 1: I want to feel like this team is coming together

1304
01:00:13,514 --> 01:00:15,434
Speaker 1: and that they're finding a little bit of their own

1305
01:00:15,554 --> 01:00:19,314
Speaker 1: identity that isn't related to the past twenty two years. Yeah,

1306
01:00:19,514 --> 01:00:22,034
Speaker 1: you know, I want to see jirob Mayo's team starting

1307
01:00:22,034 --> 01:00:23,674
Speaker 1: to come out and play, and you know, maybe it

1308
01:00:23,754 --> 01:00:25,834
Speaker 1: is guys that we don't really realize at this point.

1309
01:00:25,954 --> 01:00:28,274
Speaker 1: I know they're getting down the depth chart that emerge,

1310
01:00:28,674 --> 01:00:30,394
Speaker 1: but they need to There needs to be more than

1311
01:00:30,474 --> 01:00:32,034
Speaker 1: just well, Drake may was good. We went one in

1312
01:00:32,154 --> 01:00:34,634
Speaker 1: sixteen and you know, but he got killed. But I

1313
01:00:34,674 --> 01:00:37,234
Speaker 1: feel good about his arm talent, like I can't. I

1314
01:00:37,274 --> 01:00:38,114
Speaker 1: need to feel.

1315
01:00:37,914 --> 01:00:41,434
Speaker 4: Good about Stacey from Indiana kind of has the same thoughts.

1316
01:00:41,954 --> 01:00:44,514
Speaker 4: She writes, I know we're one and six. We're obviously

1317
01:00:44,554 --> 01:00:47,674
Speaker 4: not going to win very many games, and we're clearly

1318
01:00:47,714 --> 01:00:50,594
Speaker 4: not a playoff team. We are what we are. But

1319
01:00:51,314 --> 01:00:53,394
Speaker 4: what do the Patriots need to do from here on

1320
01:00:53,514 --> 01:00:56,634
Speaker 4: out for you to consider this a successful season for

1321
01:00:56,674 --> 01:00:58,714
Speaker 4: the team. And it's kind of like what you're talking about.

1322
01:00:59,234 --> 01:01:01,394
Speaker 4: The problem is, you know, you want to see the

1323
01:01:01,474 --> 01:01:06,434
Speaker 4: locker room to come together and positive signs about them

1324
01:01:06,514 --> 01:01:10,594
Speaker 4: being you know, on the same page. It's gonna be

1325
01:01:10,634 --> 01:01:13,514
Speaker 4: hard though without winning, Like, if you don't win a

1326
01:01:13,554 --> 01:01:17,354
Speaker 4: few games, that's gonna be really hard to do. And

1327
01:01:17,474 --> 01:01:20,154
Speaker 4: right now, I'm not sure that they've got the talent

1328
01:01:20,234 --> 01:01:23,914
Speaker 4: on the field enough to do that, you know, So like,

1329
01:01:25,354 --> 01:01:28,674
Speaker 4: you know, what does being on the same page look like?

1330
01:01:29,114 --> 01:01:31,354
Speaker 4: If you don't win a few games, right you know,

1331
01:01:31,514 --> 01:01:32,634
Speaker 4: it's it's going to be hard.

1332
01:01:32,714 --> 01:01:34,874
Speaker 1: Well, then you really have to get into the weeds

1333
01:01:34,874 --> 01:01:36,714
Speaker 1: of it. But I mean, I think we all have

1334
01:01:36,834 --> 01:01:40,474
Speaker 1: seen football teams that at various levels that aren't the

1335
01:01:40,514 --> 01:01:43,634
Speaker 1: most talented team. But football's at one sport where if

1336
01:01:43,634 --> 01:01:46,354
Speaker 1: everybody's on the same page, you can be a tough

1337
01:01:46,394 --> 01:01:48,674
Speaker 1: team to beat. And I know it takes more than

1338
01:01:48,714 --> 01:01:54,474
Speaker 1: that to really be a consistent playoff contender, but they've

1339
01:01:54,474 --> 01:01:56,314
Speaker 1: had big injuries in the past, and other teams have

1340
01:01:56,354 --> 01:01:58,474
Speaker 1: had big injuries in the past, and guys have emerged

1341
01:01:58,514 --> 01:02:01,234
Speaker 1: and the system is good and everybody buys in and

1342
01:02:01,234 --> 01:02:03,394
Speaker 1: they're able to at least play, you know, at a

1343
01:02:03,474 --> 01:02:05,394
Speaker 1: level where you're middle of the pack, or maybe like

1344
01:02:05,794 --> 01:02:08,194
Speaker 1: right now, they're hurting themselves with penalties. They don't look

1345
01:02:08,234 --> 01:02:10,194
Speaker 1: like a team that's all on the same page. And

1346
01:02:10,714 --> 01:02:12,874
Speaker 1: absence of wins. That's for me what I need to

1347
01:02:12,914 --> 01:02:14,593
Speaker 1: see a team that's all on the same page. Look,

1348
01:02:14,794 --> 01:02:17,434
Speaker 1: but what does that look like? What is no dumb tea,

1349
01:02:17,714 --> 01:02:18,514
Speaker 1: no dumb penalties?

1350
01:02:18,674 --> 01:02:20,354
Speaker 4: But well, hold on, I just want to ask the

1351
01:02:20,434 --> 01:02:22,514
Speaker 4: question and then you can answer, like, what is a

1352
01:02:22,554 --> 01:02:26,234
Speaker 4: team that's one in thirteen look like if they're on

1353
01:02:26,274 --> 01:02:26,994
Speaker 4: the same page.

1354
01:02:27,034 --> 01:02:29,354
Speaker 1: Now, maybe, I mean maybe it doesn't exist, no, no,

1355
01:02:29,394 --> 01:02:32,554
Speaker 1: but but you were gonna know the dumb penalties, the

1356
01:02:33,154 --> 01:02:35,954
Speaker 1: self preventable kind of things where it looks like guys

1357
01:02:36,234 --> 01:02:38,754
Speaker 1: aren't locked in. But just being solid on special teams.

1358
01:02:38,754 --> 01:02:40,834
Speaker 1: I don't need them to score every week special you

1359
01:02:40,914 --> 01:02:42,834
Speaker 1: know what I mean, just the solid special teams that

1360
01:02:43,074 --> 01:02:45,954
Speaker 1: they're not giving up points, they're maintaining solid consistent field.

1361
01:02:45,954 --> 01:02:47,394
Speaker 1: I don't need them to be the best special teams,

1362
01:02:47,834 --> 01:02:50,194
Speaker 1: but you can't give up kickoff returns and punt returns.

1363
01:02:50,194 --> 01:02:52,194
Speaker 1: And that's been a problem going back a couple of

1364
01:02:52,274 --> 01:02:54,914
Speaker 1: years now, of giving up those big plays on you know,

1365
01:02:55,354 --> 01:02:57,593
Speaker 1: the big plays, big plays on you know, I would say,

1366
01:02:57,634 --> 01:03:00,234
Speaker 1: don't give up big plays penalties and just have solid It's.

1367
01:03:00,074 --> 01:03:02,754
Speaker 4: A tough question to answer because again without the wins

1368
01:03:02,794 --> 01:03:07,074
Speaker 4: like but I would say losing games like Seattle, like

1369
01:03:07,114 --> 01:03:10,754
Speaker 4: where you're competitive, but it's obvious that the other team

1370
01:03:10,874 --> 01:03:13,954
Speaker 4: is just a little palented and that's why you lost.

1371
01:03:14,234 --> 01:03:18,714
Speaker 4: You didn't lose because you let seventeen straight run plays up.

1372
01:03:18,754 --> 01:03:21,074
Speaker 4: You didn't lose because you let up a punt return.

1373
01:03:21,394 --> 01:03:25,794
Speaker 4: You didn't lose because of excessive penalties and stupid penalties.

1374
01:03:26,234 --> 01:03:30,754
Speaker 4: If you do those things, Okay, they're just better than us.

1375
01:03:30,834 --> 01:03:33,274
Speaker 1: Right, they've got that one piece we don't have yet,

1376
01:03:33,754 --> 01:03:34,633
Speaker 1: but we can get there.

1377
01:03:34,754 --> 01:03:38,354
Speaker 4: Right. So that's gonna be tough, though. Yeah, it's gonna

1378
01:03:38,394 --> 01:03:41,034
Speaker 4: be tough because when you are not as good, you

1379
01:03:41,114 --> 01:03:44,874
Speaker 4: have a tendency to false start because you're nervous. You know,

1380
01:03:44,914 --> 01:03:47,354
Speaker 4: you're trying to get that edge. You have a tendency

1381
01:03:47,394 --> 01:03:49,874
Speaker 4: to just you know, grab a face mask because you

1382
01:03:49,954 --> 01:03:52,234
Speaker 4: weren't in position to make the tackle the right way.

1383
01:03:53,594 --> 01:03:57,714
Speaker 4: So penalties also happen when you're outmatched, you.

1384
01:03:57,634 --> 01:03:59,914
Speaker 1: Know, totally, and you get frustrated and you're in a

1385
01:03:59,954 --> 01:04:02,713
Speaker 1: situation where these guys are right now where I'm sure

1386
01:04:02,714 --> 01:04:04,674
Speaker 1: we all felt it at that game last week, where

1387
01:04:04,874 --> 01:04:07,034
Speaker 1: it's kind of here we go again, like that's you.

1388
01:04:07,194 --> 01:04:08,634
Speaker 1: You're on a snowball right now.

1389
01:04:08,514 --> 01:04:09,434
Speaker 4: Playing from behind.

1390
01:04:10,034 --> 01:04:11,874
Speaker 1: Oh god, And then they returned the kick. I mean,

1391
01:04:11,914 --> 01:04:13,954
Speaker 1: everybody was probably sick to their stomachs when they return

1392
01:04:14,274 --> 01:04:16,434
Speaker 1: you know that punt that was you know, to me,

1393
01:04:16,594 --> 01:04:18,114
Speaker 1: that's just like, you got to be kidding me. We

1394
01:04:18,114 --> 01:04:20,834
Speaker 1: were feeling so great and then it's like boom, boom boom,

1395
01:04:20,914 --> 01:04:23,274
Speaker 1: twenty two to ten, like right like that, And I'm

1396
01:04:23,274 --> 01:04:24,994
Speaker 1: sure the players feel that way too, And it's just

1397
01:04:25,274 --> 01:04:28,034
Speaker 1: it takes a certain mental toughness to break that, not

1398
01:04:28,074 --> 01:04:30,193
Speaker 1: only within the game, but just within the season.

1399
01:04:29,874 --> 01:04:31,954
Speaker 4: Because you think Berenger is ever gonna punt down the

1400
01:04:31,994 --> 01:04:34,034
Speaker 4: middle again.

1401
01:04:33,834 --> 01:04:35,834
Speaker 1: Oh man, it's gonna be in like the two hundreds.

1402
01:04:35,874 --> 01:04:38,194
Speaker 1: On the other side of the field, we go.

1403
01:04:38,154 --> 01:04:40,634
Speaker 4: Out at the twenty, then pin him down inside the five.

1404
01:04:41,634 --> 01:04:45,354
Speaker 4: Barton Poland writes in Holy heck, the discourse surrounding this

1405
01:04:45,474 --> 01:04:48,314
Speaker 4: team and the what if scenarios of Bill coaching it

1406
01:04:48,754 --> 01:04:52,073
Speaker 4: and what the record would be are insane. One Bill

1407
01:04:52,154 --> 01:04:55,234
Speaker 4: with this exact same roster as probably two and five

1408
01:04:55,594 --> 01:04:58,394
Speaker 4: at best three and four, definitely not five and two,

1409
01:04:58,474 --> 01:05:00,634
Speaker 4: as some people on the internet would make you believe.

1410
01:05:01,194 --> 01:05:04,153
Speaker 4: The roster wouldn't be the same. There's absolutely no way

1411
01:05:04,154 --> 01:05:07,034
Speaker 4: that Bill drafts may and that alone makes me okay

1412
01:05:07,074 --> 01:05:10,034
Speaker 4: with him being gone. We definitely trade down and either

1413
01:05:10,074 --> 01:05:14,354
Speaker 4: take Nixon McCarthy or trade a tackle with signing a

1414
01:05:14,434 --> 01:05:17,394
Speaker 4: Wilson Cousins type quarterback, and we probably sign a few

1415
01:05:17,474 --> 01:05:20,114
Speaker 4: veteran free agents that would probably lead you to an

1416
01:05:20,114 --> 01:05:22,794
Speaker 4: eight to nine record at best, the number thirteen pick

1417
01:05:22,834 --> 01:05:25,554
Speaker 4: in the draft and no future outlook at the quarterback position.

1418
01:05:25,914 --> 01:05:28,714
Speaker 4: But hey, at least Bill's closer to the win record

1419
01:05:29,394 --> 01:05:32,354
Speaker 4: and three. Some people seem to completely forget that this

1420
01:05:32,394 --> 01:05:35,194
Speaker 4: team was four and thirteen last season, and that's with

1421
01:05:35,354 --> 01:05:38,874
Speaker 4: playing against bump quarterbacks every other week. I love Bill,

1422
01:05:39,074 --> 01:05:41,354
Speaker 4: He's the goat, but it was time to move on.

1423
01:05:41,834 --> 01:05:44,954
Speaker 4: The decision to hire Mail is a completely different discussion.

1424
01:05:45,394 --> 01:05:47,673
Speaker 4: I've always been in the camp of hiring a young,

1425
01:05:47,794 --> 01:05:52,994
Speaker 4: tight pants, offensive minded head coach. I'd probably give my

1426
01:05:53,874 --> 01:05:57,274
Speaker 4: left testicle to see Ben Johnson work with Drake May.

1427
01:05:57,594 --> 01:05:59,834
Speaker 4: I know that Evan just gasped at the thought of it,

1428
01:06:00,234 --> 01:06:03,754
Speaker 4: Johnson being May's coach, of course, not me losing my testicle.

1429
01:06:04,434 --> 01:06:05,474
Speaker 4: That's Barton Poland.

1430
01:06:07,034 --> 01:06:10,234
Speaker 5: So I can I jump in sure, welcome back, Hey,

1431
01:06:10,434 --> 01:06:14,954
Speaker 5: thanks for having me. The entirety of the premise of

1432
01:06:14,954 --> 01:06:18,274
Speaker 5: that email, I would one hundred percent agree with some

1433
01:06:18,394 --> 01:06:21,914
Speaker 5: of the nuts and bolts of what Bill would have done,

1434
01:06:22,994 --> 01:06:28,474
Speaker 5: like the way he just described that. Like, I don't

1435
01:06:28,514 --> 01:06:30,474
Speaker 5: think that would have necessarily been wrong. That would have

1436
01:06:30,474 --> 01:06:33,354
Speaker 5: been another way to go about a rebuild. So I

1437
01:06:33,434 --> 01:06:35,073
Speaker 5: don't think there's any chance that he would have signed

1438
01:06:35,114 --> 01:06:40,314
Speaker 5: Russell Wilson, or well, let me rephrase that, there's no

1439
01:06:40,394 --> 01:06:43,034
Speaker 5: chance he would have signed Kirk Cousins. There's a chance

1440
01:06:43,554 --> 01:06:45,874
Speaker 5: that he would have signed Russell Wilson because of the money,

1441
01:06:46,634 --> 01:06:51,034
Speaker 5: but I think it would have been something more along

1442
01:06:51,034 --> 01:06:53,514
Speaker 5: the lines of what they did with a Jacoby Brissette

1443
01:06:53,514 --> 01:06:56,954
Speaker 5: type or something like that. But why would trading down

1444
01:06:57,354 --> 01:06:59,954
Speaker 5: like I liked May, I wanted to draft May. You

1445
01:06:59,954 --> 01:07:01,554
Speaker 5: guys all know that that's what I would have done.

1446
01:07:02,474 --> 01:07:06,274
Speaker 5: I would have drafted May ahead of Jayden Daniels, which

1447
01:07:06,434 --> 01:07:08,914
Speaker 5: right now looks like the wrong move, but that's that's

1448
01:07:08,954 --> 01:07:12,754
Speaker 5: what I would have done. You could have easily traded

1449
01:07:12,754 --> 01:07:14,674
Speaker 5: down and drafted McCarthy.

1450
01:07:14,914 --> 01:07:15,234
Speaker 4: I don't.

1451
01:07:15,634 --> 01:07:17,914
Speaker 5: I don't think he would have drafted Nicks. But McCarthy,

1452
01:07:18,034 --> 01:07:20,354
Speaker 5: I think is kind of a Billish But you think

1453
01:07:20,354 --> 01:07:23,994
Speaker 5: of McCarthy as kind of a Billished type quarterback, game manager,

1454
01:07:24,354 --> 01:07:28,314
Speaker 5: some athletics, but not necessarily a huge you know, a

1455
01:07:28,394 --> 01:07:32,394
Speaker 5: huge athlete, and you trade down get extra picks, Like

1456
01:07:32,474 --> 01:07:34,754
Speaker 5: I don't think that would have been like a terribly

1457
01:07:35,434 --> 01:07:37,514
Speaker 5: short sighted. Again, I agree with the premise of the

1458
01:07:37,554 --> 01:07:40,794
Speaker 5: email that Bart sent, like this whole notion that Bill

1459
01:07:40,834 --> 01:07:42,714
Speaker 5: would be five and two or six and one with

1460
01:07:42,794 --> 01:07:47,593
Speaker 5: this no chance, no chance, But just that little part

1461
01:07:47,634 --> 01:07:48,994
Speaker 5: of it, I was like, I don't think that would

1462
01:07:48,994 --> 01:07:51,514
Speaker 5: have been a terrible move if Elliot Wolf decided to

1463
01:07:51,514 --> 01:07:54,314
Speaker 5: trade down and draft one of the other quarterbacks, yeah,

1464
01:07:54,354 --> 01:07:55,314
Speaker 5: and get more picks.

1465
01:07:55,554 --> 01:07:56,394
Speaker 1: I just can't shake that.

1466
01:07:56,754 --> 01:07:58,633
Speaker 4: And we don't know how McCarthy would have been because

1467
01:07:58,634 --> 01:07:59,354
Speaker 4: he got hurt.

1468
01:07:59,234 --> 01:08:00,914
Speaker 5: Right, That's what I'm saying I think.

1469
01:08:00,874 --> 01:08:04,274
Speaker 1: I just I feel like Rogers was the move for him,

1470
01:08:04,394 --> 01:08:06,234
Speaker 1: Like if it was going to be successful here, I

1471
01:08:06,234 --> 01:08:08,474
Speaker 1: think that was the that was the move, Go get

1472
01:08:08,474 --> 01:08:09,154
Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers.

1473
01:08:09,234 --> 01:08:12,234
Speaker 5: Yeah, And I think there's a reason that he doesn't

1474
01:08:12,234 --> 01:08:14,834
Speaker 5: want that kind of like I think he had that

1475
01:08:14,994 --> 01:08:18,314
Speaker 5: quarterback that dominated his team for so long. He didn't

1476
01:08:18,354 --> 01:08:21,794
Speaker 5: want that anymore. And that's again that's a failing, like

1477
01:08:22,514 --> 01:08:25,674
Speaker 5: not a failure that he didn't go and get Rogers,

1478
01:08:25,714 --> 01:08:28,273
Speaker 5: but I think the fact that he no longer wanted

1479
01:08:28,274 --> 01:08:31,394
Speaker 5: that quarterback to whether it was about credit or just

1480
01:08:31,514 --> 01:08:34,834
Speaker 5: dominating his team or whatever it was, he wasn't He

1481
01:08:34,874 --> 01:08:35,514
Speaker 5: wasn't there for that.

1482
01:08:35,794 --> 01:08:38,634
Speaker 4: I think as much as been written about the Patriots

1483
01:08:38,714 --> 01:08:42,073
Speaker 4: Dynasty and the doc, there's still a lot to be written.

1484
01:08:42,674 --> 01:08:43,354
Speaker 4: There's still a lot.

1485
01:08:43,474 --> 01:08:44,274
Speaker 5: Are you going to write it?

1486
01:08:44,674 --> 01:08:44,874
Speaker 4: Huh?

1487
01:08:44,914 --> 01:08:45,754
Speaker 5: Are you going to write it?

1488
01:08:47,354 --> 01:08:48,234
Speaker 4: Make me an offer?

1489
01:08:48,434 --> 01:08:49,954
Speaker 5: I don't have any money.

1490
01:08:51,154 --> 01:08:54,034
Speaker 4: But no, Seriously, I do think there's still a lot

1491
01:08:54,114 --> 01:08:57,954
Speaker 4: to be written about just the mindset of Bill, how

1492
01:08:57,994 --> 01:09:00,674
Speaker 4: he was running the team behind the scenes, and Brady

1493
01:09:00,794 --> 01:09:04,194
Speaker 4: and and I think there's still a lot to be written.

1494
01:09:04,314 --> 01:09:06,634
Speaker 1: The end with Bill. I mean, that's just having this conversation.

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Speaker 1: It's just if he if he hadn't gone, what would

1496
01:09:09,074 --> 01:09:11,114
Speaker 1: this what would this year have been like? And like

1497
01:09:11,154 --> 01:09:13,674
Speaker 1: the trade down for JJ McCarthy, it's just it sounds

1498
01:09:13,674 --> 01:09:15,434
Speaker 1: like you're doubling down on what happened with Mack again,

1499
01:09:15,474 --> 01:09:16,914
Speaker 1: So why is this going to be different than what

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Speaker 1: you did with that?

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01:09:17,594 --> 01:09:19,794
Speaker 5: And again that's why I stayed it up front. I

1502
01:09:19,794 --> 01:09:22,394
Speaker 5: would have taken Drake May, but I'm just looking like

1503
01:09:22,754 --> 01:09:25,114
Speaker 5: this this whole thing that like Bill would have screwed

1504
01:09:25,114 --> 01:09:29,474
Speaker 5: it by doing that, I like, and then he I

1505
01:09:29,514 --> 01:09:31,114
Speaker 5: think you finished it. We'd be left at eight and

1506
01:09:31,194 --> 01:09:34,034
Speaker 5: nine with the thirteenth pick and no future like no,

1507
01:09:34,154 --> 01:09:37,794
Speaker 5: like the future would be JJ McCarthy or Bo Nicks

1508
01:09:38,074 --> 01:09:43,714
Speaker 5: in that scenario. Like, I like Drake May better than

1509
01:09:43,714 --> 01:09:45,514
Speaker 5: those guys, but that doesn't mean I'm right.

1510
01:09:45,794 --> 01:09:49,114
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's just times running out, you know, for him,

1511
01:09:49,154 --> 01:09:51,074
Speaker 1: And like you want to win now, do you want

1512
01:09:51,074 --> 01:09:53,034
Speaker 1: to you know, work with a kid that you prefer

1513
01:09:53,114 --> 01:09:55,073
Speaker 1: to deal with, or do you want to win football

1514
01:09:55,114 --> 01:09:56,834
Speaker 1: games with a little bit of a pain in the

1515
01:09:56,874 --> 01:09:59,434
Speaker 1: ass that might be a divas sometimes, but it's super

1516
01:09:59,474 --> 01:10:01,274
Speaker 1: talented and you're not gonna have to hold his hand

1517
01:10:01,714 --> 01:10:04,234
Speaker 1: through the whole process. You know, that would have been

1518
01:10:04,234 --> 01:10:06,234
Speaker 1: my question is, all right, so what did you learn

1519
01:10:06,634 --> 01:10:08,834
Speaker 1: from twenty twenty and twenty twenty one? You had a

1520
01:10:08,834 --> 01:10:11,314
Speaker 1: big you know, we have free agency money, you've got

1521
01:10:11,314 --> 01:10:13,474
Speaker 1: a chance now for more free agency money, and you

1522
01:10:13,514 --> 01:10:15,594
Speaker 1: had a high draft pick. And what would have been

1523
01:10:15,634 --> 01:10:19,274
Speaker 1: different so that it doesn't all kind of just stay block,

1524
01:10:19,394 --> 01:10:21,394
Speaker 1: which is what it did after that start in twenty

1525
01:10:21,434 --> 01:10:23,874
Speaker 1: twenty one. I don't know. I don't know what the

1526
01:10:23,914 --> 01:10:26,314
Speaker 1: answer is, but because art of me just can't imagine

1527
01:10:26,354 --> 01:10:29,074
Speaker 1: Bill doing anything different than what he always did and

1528
01:10:29,114 --> 01:10:31,074
Speaker 1: what he believes, and well, I just got to get

1529
01:10:31,074 --> 01:10:32,994
Speaker 1: players who actually will listen to me, you know, like.

1530
01:10:32,994 --> 01:10:36,794
Speaker 5: That, I think listening to him talk specifically about Drake May,

1531
01:10:36,834 --> 01:10:39,274
Speaker 5: I don't believe he would have drafted Drake May. But

1532
01:10:39,434 --> 01:10:41,994
Speaker 5: that I am not necessarily saying he wouldn't have drafted

1533
01:10:41,994 --> 01:10:46,674
Speaker 5: a quarterback at three. I just don't based on his breakdown,

1534
01:10:47,034 --> 01:10:48,634
Speaker 5: I don't think it would have been Drake May. So

1535
01:10:48,714 --> 01:10:54,034
Speaker 5: I agree with with Bart about that. I just it

1536
01:10:54,074 --> 01:10:57,154
Speaker 5: was time. Like I said, everything about the email was right.

1537
01:10:59,034 --> 01:11:01,834
Speaker 1: There was no easy answer anymore, and it was time.

1538
01:11:02,314 --> 01:11:04,274
Speaker 1: I mean, had he had the high round, first round

1539
01:11:04,514 --> 01:11:06,954
Speaker 1: rookie quarterback. He had a you know, a big free

1540
01:11:06,994 --> 01:11:09,234
Speaker 1: agency period in twenty twenty one. You had a couple

1541
01:11:09,234 --> 01:11:11,194
Speaker 1: of years to try to build off of that, and

1542
01:11:11,674 --> 01:11:14,274
Speaker 1: it didn't build off it degraded. It was going the

1543
01:11:14,274 --> 01:11:18,234
Speaker 1: opposite direction for a variety of reasons. But I don't know,

1544
01:11:18,274 --> 01:11:19,954
Speaker 1: I just think the one thing I'm still kind of

1545
01:11:19,994 --> 01:11:23,594
Speaker 1: like missing about him is just the feeling of he's

1546
01:11:23,594 --> 01:11:25,234
Speaker 1: going to adjust to the other team, like the other

1547
01:11:25,314 --> 01:11:27,073
Speaker 1: team is going to have to beat him kind of twice,

1548
01:11:27,114 --> 01:11:28,994
Speaker 1: you know, and within the game. I mean, they're gonna

1549
01:11:28,994 --> 01:11:30,714
Speaker 1: have to come out with a good game plan and

1550
01:11:30,754 --> 01:11:33,074
Speaker 1: then they're gonna have to come out with their adjustments

1551
01:11:33,114 --> 01:11:36,034
Speaker 1: to whatever they adjust to. And right now, it just

1552
01:11:36,034 --> 01:11:37,474
Speaker 1: feels kind of like what you see is what you

1553
01:11:37,554 --> 01:11:38,714
Speaker 1: get and there's no way to change.

1554
01:11:38,914 --> 01:11:39,994
Speaker 4: You definitely have lost that.

1555
01:11:40,394 --> 01:11:42,114
Speaker 5: You've you've lost a good point.

1556
01:11:42,674 --> 01:11:47,914
Speaker 4: Uh Patty and agawam, what's up Patty? Patty?

1557
01:11:48,194 --> 01:11:49,434
Speaker 1: Hey pad, he.

1558
01:11:49,634 --> 01:11:50,034
Speaker 16: Can hear me?

1559
01:11:50,114 --> 01:11:51,874
Speaker 4: Okay, absolutely.

1560
01:11:53,114 --> 01:11:53,474
Speaker 11: All right.

1561
01:11:53,594 --> 01:11:54,914
Speaker 17: So a couple of quick.

1562
01:11:54,794 --> 01:11:59,154
Speaker 16: Questions, do you think Sturre on mail before the end

1563
01:11:59,194 --> 01:12:02,474
Speaker 16: of the season, We'll find that fine line of kind

1564
01:12:02,474 --> 01:12:06,514
Speaker 16: of like not saying whatever pops into his head and

1565
01:12:06,674 --> 01:12:08,514
Speaker 16: just shutting up. And what I mean by that it

1566
01:12:08,594 --> 01:12:11,514
Speaker 16: is like I was in sales when I was in

1567
01:12:11,514 --> 01:12:15,514
Speaker 16: my mid early twenties, and my one of my managers

1568
01:12:15,514 --> 01:12:17,114
Speaker 16: told me, you know, if you don't know the answer

1569
01:12:17,154 --> 01:12:20,194
Speaker 16: to a question or you don't know like how to

1570
01:12:20,194 --> 01:12:22,394
Speaker 16: answer a question to say, I don't know, you know,

1571
01:12:23,234 --> 01:12:24,994
Speaker 16: I think he doesn't have to always be so forth

1572
01:12:25,434 --> 01:12:29,354
Speaker 16: with the media, Like I mean, do you guys think

1573
01:12:29,394 --> 01:12:31,554
Speaker 16: he regrets saying that the team will win more than

1574
01:12:31,554 --> 01:12:36,074
Speaker 16: four games before the season started. And the second the

1575
01:12:36,114 --> 01:12:41,354
Speaker 16: second question that I had was as far as the

1576
01:12:41,394 --> 01:12:44,954
Speaker 16: matchup with the Jets goes, which like matchups? Do you

1577
01:12:44,994 --> 01:12:47,074
Speaker 16: think it's most lotsided in the Jets? They were like

1578
01:12:47,234 --> 01:12:51,114
Speaker 16: their defensive line against our offensive line, the receivers against

1579
01:12:51,114 --> 01:12:52,474
Speaker 16: our quarterbacks. So I'll take it off.

1580
01:12:52,354 --> 01:12:57,554
Speaker 4: There, guys, Okay, thanks. Yeah, I mean on the first point, yeah,

1581
01:12:57,554 --> 01:12:58,073
Speaker 4: I think.

1582
01:12:58,154 --> 01:13:01,834
Speaker 5: They're front seven against your front front line. I think

1583
01:13:02,314 --> 01:13:04,914
Speaker 5: probably my guest, but this is not one of these

1584
01:13:04,954 --> 01:13:08,074
Speaker 5: games that if you just went man for man and

1585
01:13:08,554 --> 01:13:10,834
Speaker 5: like did it that way, you'd have a hard time

1586
01:13:10,874 --> 01:13:13,834
Speaker 5: coming up with very many that you'd feel good about.

1587
01:13:14,074 --> 01:13:19,314
Speaker 4: Matchups. Yeah, yeah, on the first part, yeah, I think.

1588
01:13:20,114 --> 01:13:24,914
Speaker 4: I hope Gerard gets better and doesn't you know, have

1589
01:13:24,994 --> 01:13:27,634
Speaker 4: this dream of consciousness when he gets to the microphone.

1590
01:13:28,434 --> 01:13:31,234
Speaker 4: He has to. I mean, he's got he's got to

1591
01:13:31,314 --> 01:13:34,154
Speaker 4: learn this stuff, and I hope that there is somebody

1592
01:13:34,194 --> 01:13:37,594
Speaker 4: coaching him and like going over the tape, just like

1593
01:13:37,674 --> 01:13:40,514
Speaker 4: you would a game. How'd you do it today against?

1594
01:13:40,714 --> 01:13:43,114
Speaker 4: You know, it doesn't have to be hours, but like

1595
01:13:43,194 --> 01:13:47,154
Speaker 4: fifteen minutes a day. How did I do today? What

1596
01:13:47,234 --> 01:13:48,194
Speaker 4: could I have done better?

1597
01:13:48,754 --> 01:13:53,154
Speaker 5: You know? So it's a good point.

1598
01:13:53,394 --> 01:13:53,834
Speaker 4: It's hard.

1599
01:13:53,914 --> 01:13:56,234
Speaker 1: It's hard. I mean try getting standing up there three

1600
01:13:56,234 --> 01:13:57,954
Speaker 1: times a week and getting grilled by a bunch of media.

1601
01:13:57,954 --> 01:14:00,434
Speaker 4: It hard for any and it's harder than you think.

1602
01:14:00,434 --> 01:14:03,594
Speaker 1: It's the main consistent message. And shoot, I shouldn't have

1603
01:14:03,594 --> 01:14:05,394
Speaker 1: said it that way, you know, like all those things,

1604
01:14:05,394 --> 01:14:05,794
Speaker 1: it's hard.

1605
01:14:05,914 --> 01:14:06,514
Speaker 4: Yeah, it is.

1606
01:14:08,194 --> 01:14:08,274
Speaker 14: So.

1607
01:14:09,194 --> 01:14:12,274
Speaker 4: Aaron's in Toronto, what's up? Aaron? Hey?

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01:14:12,274 --> 01:14:15,314
Speaker 9: Everyone, first time, long time and a big time of

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Speaker 9: the show.

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Speaker 4: Thank you.

1611
01:14:16,354 --> 01:14:18,514
Speaker 9: I had a purely hypothetical question.

1612
01:14:18,674 --> 01:14:21,754
Speaker 4: I was hoping you could have some quicks fun with what.

1613
01:14:21,714 --> 01:14:24,114
Speaker 9: If Drake May was drafted to the twenty twenty one

1614
01:14:24,154 --> 01:14:28,514
Speaker 9: Patriot stuff? No matter how that could have happened, But how.

1615
01:14:28,394 --> 01:14:29,474
Speaker 10: Would the season have gone?

1616
01:14:29,514 --> 01:14:31,874
Speaker 17: And maybe the time and think a lot.

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01:14:31,954 --> 01:14:32,874
Speaker 8: I'll take it up the air.

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01:14:33,314 --> 01:14:38,034
Speaker 4: Oh boy, I think I think we'd be talking about

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01:14:38,194 --> 01:14:40,834
Speaker 4: you know where the AFC Championship is going to be played?

1620
01:14:43,154 --> 01:14:50,514
Speaker 5: Kansas City or Buffalo No no, or Fox Grows No No.

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01:14:50,834 --> 01:14:52,954
Speaker 4: I think you'd be four years into Drake May and

1622
01:14:52,954 --> 01:14:54,754
Speaker 4: I think things would be good.

1623
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Speaker 5: I have to put myself in a positive mind space

1624
01:14:57,754 --> 01:14:59,634
Speaker 5: and say, yeah, I think we'd be we'd be in

1625
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Speaker 5: a good place right now. We'd throw The real answer

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Speaker 5: Cope from your first start to your second start? Kind

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Speaker 5: of growth did you see?

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01:17:33,994 --> 01:17:35,634
Speaker 11: Kind of things you feel like you need to work

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Speaker 11: on as you continue.

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Speaker 8: To try to get better and better starting quarterback?

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01:17:39,314 --> 01:17:41,274
Speaker 11: Yeah, the big thing we started fast. I think, you know,

1676
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Speaker 11: two drives, put two good drives together. You know where

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Speaker 11: my first start, you know, I think it was three

1678
01:17:46,874 --> 01:17:49,154
Speaker 11: and out and then yeah, second one was maybe another

1679
01:17:49,154 --> 01:17:51,314
Speaker 11: three and out, So you know, start started fast and

1680
01:17:51,314 --> 01:17:53,434
Speaker 11: felt more comfortable in the center of that first snap

1681
01:17:53,794 --> 01:17:55,714
Speaker 11: than the first time, and you know kind of got

1682
01:17:55,714 --> 01:17:57,874
Speaker 11: the nerves out of me. So feel more comfortable back there,

1683
01:17:57,914 --> 01:18:00,674
Speaker 11: more comfortable in the huddle, play calls and little things

1684
01:18:00,714 --> 01:18:02,674
Speaker 11: like that, little things that kind of you don't see

1685
01:18:02,714 --> 01:18:04,554
Speaker 11: on the field, but you know, feel more comfortable the huddle.

1686
01:18:04,594 --> 01:18:06,474
Speaker 11: Felt like I was, you know, bring some more energy

1687
01:18:06,514 --> 01:18:09,154
Speaker 11: to to the start of the game. And then from there,

1688
01:18:09,274 --> 01:18:11,514
Speaker 11: I think, just protracted the football. That's the big thing.

1689
01:18:11,554 --> 01:18:13,514
Speaker 11: Then you know, turn the ball over and you have

1690
01:18:13,594 --> 01:18:15,234
Speaker 11: some players which you know wish I had back that

1691
01:18:15,314 --> 01:18:17,394
Speaker 11: you know makes better throws even in you know in

1692
01:18:17,514 --> 01:18:19,874
Speaker 11: last game that you can maybe be difference in the

1693
01:18:19,914 --> 01:18:22,114
Speaker 11: ball game. But at the same time, I think you

1694
01:18:22,114 --> 01:18:23,714
Speaker 11: know did some good things, just didn't sus stand it

1695
01:18:23,754 --> 01:18:26,194
Speaker 11: long enough and put drives to other especially in that

1696
01:18:26,194 --> 01:18:26,994
Speaker 11: second quarter.

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Speaker 3: You see a player like you.

1698
01:18:29,074 --> 01:18:35,594
Speaker 7: Folsous, you've probably fill in relationship with that Thames start

1699
01:18:35,634 --> 01:18:39,554
Speaker 7: a little bit. Okay, football and security, how do you

1700
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Speaker 7: p post them because.

1701
01:18:43,754 --> 01:18:46,234
Speaker 11: You guys, yeah, I think just pump him up. I

1702
01:18:46,234 --> 01:18:47,914
Speaker 11: think that's the biggest thing you can do. Especially you

1703
01:18:47,914 --> 01:18:49,634
Speaker 11: know a guy you know come in the same class

1704
01:18:49,634 --> 01:18:51,194
Speaker 11: and you're you know, the first round and the second

1705
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Speaker 11: round pick. You know, we build a connection earlier during

1706
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Speaker 11: during camp and during during the summer. I feel like

1707
01:18:56,154 --> 01:18:59,474
Speaker 11: we had it going and nothing just still still find it.

1708
01:18:59,594 --> 01:19:01,834
Speaker 11: Still working together on our second game out there together,

1709
01:19:01,874 --> 01:19:03,634
Speaker 11: and you know, I felt we've left some players out

1710
01:19:03,674 --> 01:19:05,594
Speaker 11: there both you know me, you know, ball placement wise,

1711
01:19:05,634 --> 01:19:07,834
Speaker 11: and I'm sure you'd like to have some players back himself.

1712
01:19:07,954 --> 01:19:10,354
Speaker 11: I think it's just building, building the camaraderie, and I

1713
01:19:10,354 --> 01:19:11,554
Speaker 11: think we're gonna get there. I don't think it's a

1714
01:19:11,594 --> 01:19:15,194
Speaker 11: matter of ifting, it's a matter of when precision.

1715
01:19:15,794 --> 01:19:17,874
Speaker 7: I think you're seeing right now in the passing the

1716
01:19:18,274 --> 01:19:20,714
Speaker 7: brothers run et cetera of the space and et cetera,

1717
01:19:21,634 --> 01:19:24,514
Speaker 7: enjoy comfortable the same don't let down the rock he

1718
01:19:24,594 --> 01:19:26,034
Speaker 7: needs to see.

1719
01:19:26,554 --> 01:19:27,434
Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm getting there.

1720
01:19:27,834 --> 01:19:30,674
Speaker 11: I'm getting there, you know, especially you know, preaching whatv

1721
01:19:30,754 --> 01:19:32,994
Speaker 11: P preaches, and you know, doing the little things and

1722
01:19:33,074 --> 01:19:34,234
Speaker 11: you know some of the love of the you know,

1723
01:19:34,234 --> 01:19:36,314
Speaker 11: for the love of the game, routes of spacing and

1724
01:19:36,314 --> 01:19:38,034
Speaker 11: and maybe you have a clear route to get somebody

1725
01:19:38,034 --> 01:19:40,034
Speaker 11: else open. I think we're kind of feeling that out.

1726
01:19:40,074 --> 01:19:42,394
Speaker 11: You've got a got a young teams in the receiver room, that,

1727
01:19:42,794 --> 01:19:44,474
Speaker 11: you know, the Titan has got a better understanding of

1728
01:19:44,634 --> 01:19:46,914
Speaker 11: you know, they've been a lot different concepts and offenses.

1729
01:19:47,034 --> 01:19:48,514
Speaker 11: I think the kind of young guys are starting to

1730
01:19:48,514 --> 01:19:50,594
Speaker 11: figure it out and take here and go see it clicking.

1731
01:19:50,834 --> 01:19:53,194
Speaker 11: I think, uh, we've got some talent off and some

1732
01:19:53,314 --> 01:19:55,434
Speaker 11: looking forward to seeing when that happens.

1733
01:19:55,954 --> 01:19:56,234
Speaker 16: The game.

1734
01:19:58,034 --> 01:20:00,234
Speaker 11: You running like a clear out on on like like

1735
01:20:00,274 --> 01:20:01,914
Speaker 11: a like a digger concept. We've got a clear hout.

1736
01:20:01,914 --> 01:20:03,514
Speaker 11: We're just taking out, you know, to take it out

1737
01:20:03,514 --> 01:20:05,194
Speaker 11: the safeties for the dig coming out for your for

1738
01:20:05,194 --> 01:20:07,834
Speaker 11: your friend to come catch, you know. Digger concept for

1739
01:20:07,874 --> 01:20:09,754
Speaker 11: the love of the game is you're just hauling butt,

1740
01:20:09,914 --> 01:20:13,073
Speaker 11: you know, basically not really expecting the expecting the football,

1741
01:20:13,194 --> 01:20:15,634
Speaker 11: just expecting to get your get your get your friend open.

1742
01:20:16,114 --> 01:20:19,634
Speaker 7: Frank Scott Chagrick, I'm sorry, Uh, Scott tracked convention back

1743
01:20:19,634 --> 01:20:21,314
Speaker 7: in high school used to go to the sideline where

1744
01:20:21,434 --> 01:20:23,194
Speaker 7: check the stats to make sure different guys out in

1745
01:20:23,234 --> 01:20:23,514
Speaker 7: the ball.

1746
01:20:23,634 --> 01:20:25,714
Speaker 5: It's out of a telly. You still haven't why support

1747
01:20:25,794 --> 01:20:27,234
Speaker 5: for you to make sure the different guys are get

1748
01:20:27,354 --> 01:20:27,994
Speaker 5: involved in the past.

1749
01:20:29,754 --> 01:20:31,914
Speaker 11: Yeah, I think I think it's it's a big deal.

1750
01:20:31,954 --> 01:20:34,234
Speaker 11: I think at the same time, It's also something that

1751
01:20:34,274 --> 01:20:36,314
Speaker 11: I you know, keep in mind of getting guys football,

1752
01:20:36,354 --> 01:20:37,914
Speaker 11: especially in one on one scenarios. You know, we have

1753
01:20:37,914 --> 01:20:40,274
Speaker 11: different guys and make plays. But at the same time,

1754
01:20:40,394 --> 01:20:42,274
Speaker 11: you know, I'm right now, I'm just trying to you know,

1755
01:20:42,314 --> 01:20:44,674
Speaker 11: two my part in the offense and try to worry

1756
01:20:44,674 --> 01:20:46,834
Speaker 11: about as you know that as as much. But I

1757
01:20:46,834 --> 01:20:49,274
Speaker 11: think there's definitely at times and games where hey, I'm

1758
01:20:49,274 --> 01:20:51,073
Speaker 11: gonna tell you, hey, if you're one on one next time,

1759
01:20:50,714 --> 01:20:51,874
Speaker 11: I'll come on your way.

1760
01:20:51,954 --> 01:20:52,074
Speaker 4: You know.

1761
01:20:52,074 --> 01:20:54,194
Speaker 11: I told KB that later in the game that gives

1762
01:20:54,314 --> 01:20:56,874
Speaker 11: more chances is a good player for us. So you know,

1763
01:20:56,914 --> 01:20:59,034
Speaker 11: little things like that, you know, I care about, you know,

1764
01:20:59,074 --> 01:21:01,394
Speaker 11: doing guys want the football, and they want the football

1765
01:21:01,434 --> 01:21:04,714
Speaker 11: and try to feed you know, try to feed them all.

1766
01:21:04,754 --> 01:21:06,394
Speaker 11: That's that's the best thing. But at the same time,

1767
01:21:06,514 --> 01:21:09,074
Speaker 11: you know, everybody is gonna want the ball, you know,

1768
01:21:09,074 --> 01:21:11,514
Speaker 11: more than probably're gonna get, so gotta kind of balance

1769
01:21:11,554 --> 01:21:12,073
Speaker 11: that aspect.

1770
01:21:12,394 --> 01:21:14,914
Speaker 20: There was a clip on social media this morning Diana

1771
01:21:14,954 --> 01:21:17,594
Speaker 20: Orlowski ESPM was kind of breaking down your game you

1772
01:21:17,594 --> 01:21:21,034
Speaker 20: should have played where he was highlighting really good footwork base.

1773
01:21:21,794 --> 01:21:24,554
Speaker 20: He was really praising how far you've come along and

1774
01:21:24,794 --> 01:21:27,113
Speaker 20: in such a short amount of time and footwork because.

1775
01:21:26,914 --> 01:21:27,834
Speaker 5: I feel like that's you.

1776
01:21:27,874 --> 01:21:29,474
Speaker 13: That you can come a long way with your footwork.

1777
01:21:29,514 --> 01:21:32,034
Speaker 20: When you watch yourself now, it's how you were in college.

1778
01:21:32,034 --> 01:21:34,114
Speaker 5: I'm like, wow, that the work we put it is

1779
01:21:34,154 --> 01:21:34,994
Speaker 5: really starting to pay off.

1780
01:21:35,594 --> 01:21:37,834
Speaker 11: Yeah, I think you know it's credit. You know kids

1781
01:21:37,874 --> 01:21:41,234
Speaker 11: coaches here AREVP and TC. You know they really you know,

1782
01:21:41,314 --> 01:21:43,754
Speaker 11: they've hammered it home. And you know, at the same time,

1783
01:21:43,794 --> 01:21:45,874
Speaker 11: I think, you know, some things where some different drops

1784
01:21:45,954 --> 01:21:48,314
Speaker 11: I'm taking now and weren't really asked of me in college.

1785
01:21:48,354 --> 01:21:50,034
Speaker 11: So some of these you know, five step in under

1786
01:21:50,034 --> 01:21:52,274
Speaker 11: center play actions, we didn't do much of those, so

1787
01:21:52,594 --> 01:21:54,314
Speaker 11: it probably really didn't give me a chance to show

1788
01:21:54,594 --> 01:21:57,074
Speaker 11: show off some of the footwork stuff. So there's two

1789
01:21:57,114 --> 01:21:58,514
Speaker 11: ways to look at it. But you know, credit to

1790
01:21:58,554 --> 01:22:01,114
Speaker 11: these guys here. I think you're working still working on

1791
01:22:01,514 --> 01:22:03,154
Speaker 11: you know things you know throughout the week, TC puts

1792
01:22:03,154 --> 01:22:04,634
Speaker 11: it up on the board, you know, a little things

1793
01:22:04,674 --> 01:22:06,914
Speaker 11: out the week that to keep in mind, and you know,

1794
01:22:06,954 --> 01:22:09,114
Speaker 11: it's like, I'm I'm I feel comfortable back there. Maybe

1795
01:22:09,394 --> 01:22:11,394
Speaker 11: scrambled into one sack light in the game that told

1796
01:22:11,434 --> 01:22:13,114
Speaker 11: Big Mic that was my fault, but you know other

1797
01:22:13,154 --> 01:22:14,954
Speaker 11: than that feel good back there, like I'm seeing it well,

1798
01:22:15,034 --> 01:22:18,594
Speaker 11: just I'm gonna tinue to get some reps full stuff.

1799
01:22:19,354 --> 01:22:22,194
Speaker 6: I'm curious, what's the challenge like as.

1800
01:22:22,114 --> 01:22:24,594
Speaker 10: A key maybe wants to be deaf raential.

1801
01:22:24,394 --> 01:22:27,554
Speaker 8: Today, tolder guys like a lot, right.

1802
01:22:28,194 --> 01:22:33,754
Speaker 5: I guess guy us position, what's that challenge like? Cre

1803
01:22:33,794 --> 01:22:34,954
Speaker 5: you trying to strike that battle?

1804
01:22:35,554 --> 01:22:35,794
Speaker 20: Yeah?

1805
01:22:35,874 --> 01:22:36,474
Speaker 5: I think.

1806
01:22:38,354 --> 01:22:39,634
Speaker 11: What what are you really asking?

1807
01:22:39,994 --> 01:22:42,474
Speaker 7: Well, just in terms of you want to be deferential

1808
01:22:42,674 --> 01:22:44,914
Speaker 7: as a rookie, as the first year guy, but you.

1809
01:22:44,914 --> 01:22:47,274
Speaker 8: Have a lot of veterans this year, a lot.

1810
01:22:47,154 --> 01:22:49,874
Speaker 5: Of break that ballance trying to be a leader.

1811
01:22:51,274 --> 01:22:51,474
Speaker 16: Work.

1812
01:22:52,034 --> 01:22:54,594
Speaker 11: Yeah, I think that's a good point. I think it

1813
01:22:54,634 --> 01:22:56,674
Speaker 11: goes back to just kind of building relations of different guys.

1814
01:22:56,754 --> 01:22:59,274
Speaker 11: That's kind of my approach to it. You'll really get

1815
01:22:59,274 --> 01:23:01,274
Speaker 11: to know them and I kind of see where we relate.

1816
01:23:01,394 --> 01:23:03,674
Speaker 11: I think me and JP relate with Hey, we're both

1817
01:23:03,834 --> 01:23:06,274
Speaker 11: you know, been working you know, football NonStop since you

1818
01:23:06,274 --> 01:23:07,994
Speaker 11: know the end of the college season, and you know

1819
01:23:08,194 --> 01:23:10,514
Speaker 11: sometimes they all the vets talk about the rookie wall

1820
01:23:10,554 --> 01:23:12,754
Speaker 11: you hit and just kind of continue to get over

1821
01:23:12,754 --> 01:23:15,154
Speaker 11: that hump and you'll just find each and every day

1822
01:23:15,194 --> 01:23:17,794
Speaker 11: ways to you know, be excited about coming coming here

1823
01:23:17,834 --> 01:23:19,954
Speaker 11: and playing football and playing in the NFL. I think

1824
01:23:19,994 --> 01:23:21,314
Speaker 11: going back to that and kind of looking at the

1825
01:23:21,314 --> 01:23:24,114
Speaker 11: bigger picture, you know, with JP and you know, some

1826
01:23:24,194 --> 01:23:26,714
Speaker 11: of the Bake and those young guys and even you know,

1827
01:23:26,834 --> 01:23:28,634
Speaker 11: to him, some of those guys, I think that's kind

1828
01:23:28,674 --> 01:23:29,874
Speaker 11: of a reminder of, you know, this is what we

1829
01:23:29,994 --> 01:23:32,314
Speaker 11: dreamed of and kind of dream doesn't stop now. I

1830
01:23:32,314 --> 01:23:34,274
Speaker 11: think kind of just getting back to work and then

1831
01:23:34,274 --> 01:23:36,154
Speaker 11: with those older guys, just kind of picking up this

1832
01:23:36,274 --> 01:23:38,634
Speaker 11: and pieces that I can maybe carry into you know,

1833
01:23:38,634 --> 01:23:40,154
Speaker 11: those young guys what can help us. I think that's

1834
01:23:40,194 --> 01:23:42,474
Speaker 11: the kind of my approach to it. And those Hunter

1835
01:23:42,514 --> 01:23:44,794
Speaker 11: and DA and some of those guys are stuff I'm

1836
01:23:44,794 --> 01:23:46,874
Speaker 11: picking up every day with Jacobe in the quarterback room.

1837
01:23:46,994 --> 01:23:50,674
Speaker 21: So questions tight ends might have a better understanding of

1838
01:23:50,714 --> 01:23:53,754
Speaker 21: the offense right now, and that's one reason why you're

1839
01:23:53,794 --> 01:23:56,354
Speaker 21: targeting Hunter Henry. So watch you build a connection with

1840
01:23:56,434 --> 01:23:58,674
Speaker 21: Hunter Henry sol Yeah, I would say.

1841
01:23:58,434 --> 01:24:00,154
Speaker 11: The better understand I think the receivers, you know, they

1842
01:24:00,194 --> 01:24:02,474
Speaker 11: had a great understanding. I think just you know, hunting

1843
01:24:02,474 --> 01:24:04,794
Speaker 11: them see more reps of you know, different different things

1844
01:24:04,794 --> 01:24:07,354
Speaker 11: that whether the safety, the linebackers or coverages can do

1845
01:24:07,954 --> 01:24:10,274
Speaker 11: you know, Hunter and Hoop have you know, spent you know,

1846
01:24:10,634 --> 01:24:13,554
Speaker 11: I don't know, comebind years probably seventeen plus or almost

1847
01:24:13,554 --> 01:24:16,234
Speaker 11: twenty years in the NFL. You can see the kind

1848
01:24:16,234 --> 01:24:18,314
Speaker 11: of the fed experience in that room of you know,

1849
01:24:18,354 --> 01:24:20,474
Speaker 11: their field for space and their feel for hey, this

1850
01:24:20,554 --> 01:24:23,034
Speaker 11: guy's you know, playing a man versus those young guys.

1851
01:24:23,114 --> 01:24:24,954
Speaker 11: I think they're you know, some kind of feeling it

1852
01:24:24,994 --> 01:24:27,234
Speaker 11: out and you know, JP maybe saying hey it's man,

1853
01:24:27,274 --> 01:24:30,074
Speaker 11: you know, I'm working my route and little things like

1854
01:24:30,114 --> 01:24:33,034
Speaker 11: that or pop. So I think I don't really understand thing.

1855
01:24:33,034 --> 01:24:34,314
Speaker 11: It's just kind of the reps of getting it. So

1856
01:24:34,314 --> 01:24:36,794
Speaker 11: I think that's something they continue to find and you know,

1857
01:24:37,034 --> 01:24:39,114
Speaker 11: as the weeks go on, you'll still see that improved Drake.

1858
01:24:39,154 --> 01:24:41,074
Speaker 11: Hunter mentioned that he feels like he needs to push

1859
01:24:41,154 --> 01:24:42,834
Speaker 11: juice and energy this week.

1860
01:24:43,034 --> 01:24:44,594
Speaker 5: Is that something you feel like he needs to bring

1861
01:24:44,634 --> 01:24:45,474
Speaker 5: into the lockry?

1862
01:24:46,034 --> 01:24:47,394
Speaker 11: I think as a quarterback and they need to bring

1863
01:24:47,394 --> 01:24:50,074
Speaker 11: it every day every day. That's my responsibility that comes

1864
01:24:50,114 --> 01:24:52,914
Speaker 11: with playing position is bringing juice. And you'll be the

1865
01:24:52,954 --> 01:24:55,794
Speaker 11: guy that you know, somebody looked to, hey, if you know,

1866
01:24:55,874 --> 01:24:58,394
Speaker 11: Drake's down and just the quarterback the football team. You

1867
01:24:58,394 --> 01:24:59,874
Speaker 11: know something that's every day I need to, you know,

1868
01:24:59,954 --> 01:25:02,634
Speaker 11: bring juice. And that's trying to kind of my personality anyway,

1869
01:25:02,274 --> 01:25:03,754
Speaker 11: So appreciation.

1870
01:25:08,434 --> 01:25:10,514
Speaker 6: And now great moments in.

1871
01:25:12,794 --> 01:25:16,874
Speaker 4: History. So in your in your mind, you don't get

1872
01:25:16,874 --> 01:25:20,114
Speaker 4: the title of weapon unless you're a real playmaker, a

1873
01:25:20,154 --> 01:25:20,994
Speaker 4: real different.

1874
01:25:20,754 --> 01:25:22,794
Speaker 5: So that's what we're talking about, right, that's the guys

1875
01:25:22,794 --> 01:25:24,594
Speaker 5: that they will look at it. I look, I look

1876
01:25:24,594 --> 01:25:26,714
Speaker 5: at you know, like they're like, they're interested in Brandon,

1877
01:25:26,754 --> 01:25:28,594
Speaker 5: are you no, He's a guy that can take an

1878
01:25:28,634 --> 01:25:29,274
Speaker 5: impact the game.

1879
01:25:29,394 --> 01:25:31,674
Speaker 4: I look at it like, okay, what is what is

1880
01:25:31,714 --> 01:25:34,594
Speaker 4: this quarterback's weapons? All right, he's got Hunter Henry at

1881
01:25:34,874 --> 01:25:38,754
Speaker 4: tight end, he's got poke, he's got you know, you know.

1882
01:25:38,754 --> 01:25:41,514
Speaker 5: Yes, that's different. You're just rattling off all the skill

1883
01:25:41,834 --> 01:25:44,434
Speaker 5: in plays. But there's a difference between what.

1884
01:25:44,754 --> 01:25:47,954
Speaker 4: Like, who are the dependable people that this quarterback?

1885
01:25:48,074 --> 01:25:49,834
Speaker 5: Do you think Mario Douglas is a weapon?

1886
01:25:49,994 --> 01:25:50,754
Speaker 4: He should be.

1887
01:25:50,834 --> 01:25:54,474
Speaker 5: He's one of Jacoby Brissette's weapons. But is he a weapon?

1888
01:25:54,994 --> 01:25:56,154
Speaker 6: But I like it, like.

1889
01:25:57,714 --> 01:25:59,794
Speaker 5: I'm going, I know, I know, I like you going.

1890
01:26:00,954 --> 01:26:02,434
Speaker 4: Don't you think he should be a weapon?

1891
01:26:02,514 --> 01:26:05,074
Speaker 5: He's among his weapons, but he's not that kind of player.

1892
01:26:05,434 --> 01:26:07,194
Speaker 4: Oh, I do I think he's dynamic.

1893
01:26:07,834 --> 01:26:10,354
Speaker 5: I don't think he is. I don't think he's ever

1894
01:26:10,394 --> 01:26:13,194
Speaker 5: seen I don't think he's ever shown any dynamic ability.

1895
01:26:13,474 --> 01:26:14,634
Speaker 4: The Mario Douglas.

1896
01:26:14,794 --> 01:26:16,194
Speaker 5: Yeah, you're talking about.

1897
01:26:16,034 --> 01:26:18,994
Speaker 3: Pop Now, that's another great moment from.

1898
01:26:21,274 --> 01:26:23,714
Speaker 4: All right back here. A Patriots on filtered A five

1899
01:26:23,794 --> 01:26:26,234
Speaker 4: five pass five hundred is the Tea p x hutline

1900
01:26:26,434 --> 01:26:29,634
Speaker 4: web radio at patriot dot com a's email address. We

1901
01:26:29,674 --> 01:26:35,434
Speaker 4: continue to get emails that we're afraid to turn the

1902
01:26:35,474 --> 01:26:39,394
Speaker 4: comments on on YouTube the chat. We're not afraid of anything.

1903
01:26:39,474 --> 01:26:42,314
Speaker 4: We had a racist on the chat, and until we

1904
01:26:42,354 --> 01:26:45,634
Speaker 4: can install the filter, we're not turning the chat back on.

1905
01:26:45,834 --> 01:26:48,674
Speaker 4: It's not we're afraid of what you're gonna say, unless

1906
01:26:48,714 --> 01:26:50,954
Speaker 4: it is a racist comment. Yeah, we don't want that, so,

1907
01:26:52,314 --> 01:26:54,354
Speaker 4: but I would like to get an update on how

1908
01:26:54,394 --> 01:26:57,114
Speaker 4: that's going. I'll have to chat you are the boss brand.

1909
01:26:57,114 --> 01:27:00,074
Speaker 4: He's taken a while, doesn't seem like it should take

1910
01:27:00,114 --> 01:27:02,354
Speaker 4: that long. But as soon as we do that, we'll

1911
01:27:02,354 --> 01:27:05,714
Speaker 4: turn the chat back on. And assuming that the filter works,

1912
01:27:05,834 --> 01:27:08,394
Speaker 4: we'll keep it on. But if someone wants to act

1913
01:27:08,434 --> 01:27:11,314
Speaker 4: a fool on that, we will turn it off again.

1914
01:27:11,394 --> 01:27:16,074
Speaker 4: I'm sorry, you know, he really grinds my gears. Oh listen,

1915
01:27:16,274 --> 01:27:24,834
Speaker 4: I mean you're afraid. It's like, screw you. I'm not

1916
01:27:24,914 --> 01:27:26,554
Speaker 4: smart afraid right.

1917
01:27:27,274 --> 01:27:31,234
Speaker 5: All right, I don't know what to tell you made

1918
01:27:31,274 --> 01:27:34,274
Speaker 5: fun of Gerard may one of Bill Baliche. I guess

1919
01:27:34,314 --> 01:27:35,714
Speaker 5: like it's not fear.

1920
01:27:35,914 --> 01:27:42,154
Speaker 4: Yeah, anything else, anything that's transpired since the uh we're

1921
01:27:42,154 --> 01:27:44,274
Speaker 4: waiting for Andre Hopkinson's evan.

1922
01:27:44,114 --> 01:27:49,034
Speaker 1: To come back from practicere Hopkins goes to Kansas City Chefs.

1923
01:27:49,154 --> 01:27:52,114
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean I think that they needed to make

1924
01:27:52,154 --> 01:27:54,914
Speaker 5: a move for somebody after losing all of those receivers.

1925
01:27:55,834 --> 01:27:59,234
Speaker 5: But yeah, I think Hopkins is kind of back nine ish,

1926
01:27:59,634 --> 01:28:02,114
Speaker 5: but he'll help. He'll be another one of these guys

1927
01:28:02,114 --> 01:28:05,474
Speaker 5: that looked kind of looked down, and then who care

1928
01:28:05,514 --> 01:28:08,314
Speaker 5: about Mahomes will be Yeah, we won't be playing for

1929
01:28:08,354 --> 01:28:11,674
Speaker 5: Tennessee right next week, right right, that's the next game

1930
01:28:11,754 --> 01:28:18,114
Speaker 5: right after the Tennessee. Maybe I agree that is a winnable.

1931
01:28:18,234 --> 01:28:20,114
Speaker 1: We'll leave us, throw us something, give us something bad.

1932
01:28:20,154 --> 01:28:22,834
Speaker 5: I don't think he's playing, but whoever, who is it?

1933
01:28:22,914 --> 01:28:26,794
Speaker 5: Mason Rudolph? Oh jeez, either way, either doesn't really matter.

1934
01:28:26,874 --> 01:28:30,114
Speaker 1: Rock that's the formula backup baby, let's go here we.

1935
01:28:30,114 --> 01:28:32,554
Speaker 5: Go tried and truth formula winning ways.

1936
01:28:32,834 --> 01:28:34,274
Speaker 4: Get back to those winning ways.

1937
01:28:34,394 --> 01:28:36,394
Speaker 5: Who says we can't stop the run?

1938
01:28:39,354 --> 01:28:40,234
Speaker 4: Was that Derek Carry?

1939
01:28:40,234 --> 01:28:41,834
Speaker 1: Got Derek Carry's on the ah.

1940
01:28:42,194 --> 01:28:43,154
Speaker 5: He's not there no more.

1941
01:28:43,194 --> 01:28:44,554
Speaker 1: Guy, I thought we shut him down.

1942
01:28:44,634 --> 01:28:47,794
Speaker 4: Must be having a good season. I mean, I'm trying

1943
01:28:47,794 --> 01:28:51,034
Speaker 4: not to talk about talk about rejuvenated.

1944
01:28:51,954 --> 01:28:54,834
Speaker 1: I mean, Paul say yesterday it's he was like, it's

1945
01:28:54,914 --> 01:28:56,114
Speaker 1: really like under and lightning.

1946
01:28:56,314 --> 01:28:58,874
Speaker 5: He didn't even have like an impact on the game

1947
01:28:58,874 --> 01:29:00,554
Speaker 5: in the first half. I think he had four carries

1948
01:29:00,554 --> 01:29:02,554
Speaker 5: the whole first half, and all of a sudden they

1949
01:29:02,554 --> 01:29:03,914
Speaker 5: hand the ball to him a couple of times in

1950
01:29:03,954 --> 01:29:06,274
Speaker 5: the second half when it's just like eighty yards down

1951
01:29:06,274 --> 01:29:09,114
Speaker 5: the sideline, forty yards off tackle. It's just like these

1952
01:29:09,234 --> 01:29:09,914
Speaker 5: chunk plays.

1953
01:29:09,914 --> 01:29:12,154
Speaker 1: I just I can't imagine in the small amount of

1954
01:29:12,154 --> 01:29:13,874
Speaker 1: football that I played, because I always just found that

1955
01:29:13,994 --> 01:29:15,994
Speaker 1: really kind of hard when you got used to one

1956
01:29:16,394 --> 01:29:18,474
Speaker 1: kind of running back or you know, keing off of

1957
01:29:18,514 --> 01:29:20,154
Speaker 1: one guy and this is how they and then all

1958
01:29:20,194 --> 01:29:21,954
Speaker 1: of a sudden they bring in like this little kid

1959
01:29:22,154 --> 01:29:24,834
Speaker 1: who like the other way, and it was just like

1960
01:29:24,914 --> 01:29:27,674
Speaker 1: not that that's the same, but like going from Henry

1961
01:29:27,994 --> 01:29:30,154
Speaker 1: and then like Lamar Jackson is like going mock to

1962
01:29:30,354 --> 01:29:32,954
Speaker 1: around the court. Like I just imagine your head is

1963
01:29:32,954 --> 01:29:35,074
Speaker 1: spinning as a as a defensive player trying to deal

1964
01:29:35,074 --> 01:29:35,394
Speaker 1: with those.

1965
01:29:35,514 --> 01:29:41,554
Speaker 5: Might Yeah, they're gonna have to fix these because you

1966
01:29:41,554 --> 01:29:44,714
Speaker 5: can win with with great offense and SoC defense, but

1967
01:29:44,754 --> 01:29:48,034
Speaker 5: their defense is flat out bad and it's hard to

1968
01:29:48,074 --> 01:29:50,954
Speaker 5: imagine that your offense is just gonna be great every game.

1969
01:29:51,714 --> 01:29:54,274
Speaker 1: It's one of my biggest questions right now about this era, though,

1970
01:29:54,354 --> 01:29:56,274
Speaker 1: is is it are these guys? Are these like are

1971
01:29:56,274 --> 01:29:58,314
Speaker 1: the Lamars of the world or the Josh Allens of

1972
01:29:58,314 --> 01:30:00,474
Speaker 1: the world. Are they going to become the Philip Rivers

1973
01:30:00,474 --> 01:30:02,794
Speaker 1: who just happened to be here and happen to be

1974
01:30:02,914 --> 01:30:06,554
Speaker 1: when the goat of this period is dominating things? And

1975
01:30:06,754 --> 01:30:08,634
Speaker 1: are either of those teams ever going to be able

1976
01:30:08,674 --> 01:30:10,634
Speaker 1: to consistently get past I'd argue.

1977
01:30:10,474 --> 01:30:12,274
Speaker 5: Both of them, I mean, I totally get your point.

1978
01:30:12,314 --> 01:30:15,034
Speaker 5: I'd argue both of those guys have already exceeded Philip Rivers. Yeah,

1979
01:30:15,074 --> 01:30:15,914
Speaker 5: like Philip.

1980
01:30:15,594 --> 01:30:19,114
Speaker 1: Rivers they had like the year and I mean, but

1981
01:30:19,114 --> 01:30:20,834
Speaker 1: at least Mannon got a couple like O.

1982
01:30:20,954 --> 01:30:24,634
Speaker 5: Six oh seven. They the Chargers were like true contenders

1983
01:30:24,634 --> 01:30:25,514
Speaker 5: after that, they're like.

1984
01:30:25,514 --> 01:30:27,154
Speaker 1: That's fair. I didn't want to use Manning just because

1985
01:30:27,154 --> 01:30:29,594
Speaker 1: he did actually get one. You know, there were just

1986
01:30:29,594 --> 01:30:30,634
Speaker 1: a handful of really.

1987
01:30:30,674 --> 01:30:34,634
Speaker 5: What's a fair almost Homes Brady and is everybody else Manning?

1988
01:30:35,314 --> 01:30:37,794
Speaker 5: You know, maybe you'll win one or two, but yeah,

1989
01:30:38,114 --> 01:30:39,434
Speaker 5: never the other guy's won.

1990
01:30:39,514 --> 01:30:42,314
Speaker 1: Sick, right, is Lamar gonna get in? When it's all said,

1991
01:30:42,314 --> 01:30:46,794
Speaker 1: like Lamar's got one and Mahomes has six, Like.

1992
01:30:45,874 --> 01:30:48,194
Speaker 5: Like, I think it's a it's a fair question to

1993
01:30:48,194 --> 01:30:48,714
Speaker 5: ask right.

1994
01:30:48,634 --> 01:30:50,194
Speaker 1: Now, put they're asking themselves.

1995
01:30:50,314 --> 01:30:52,914
Speaker 5: I wonder I don't know, like the whole thing with

1996
01:30:52,954 --> 01:30:58,154
Speaker 5: the Chiefs, they're undefeated and everybody just looks like, well,

1997
01:30:59,394 --> 01:31:00,314
Speaker 5: they don't look great.

1998
01:31:00,434 --> 01:31:02,394
Speaker 1: They never do the last couple of years, it's been

1999
01:31:02,434 --> 01:31:02,754
Speaker 1: like they.

2000
01:31:02,634 --> 01:31:05,514
Speaker 5: Don't look great in these games against you know, kind

2001
01:31:05,514 --> 01:31:07,274
Speaker 5: of so so competition.

2002
01:31:08,114 --> 01:31:11,274
Speaker 4: Homes says, this is the worst you know, six and

2003
01:31:11,314 --> 01:31:12,914
Speaker 4: oh start I've ever he's ever had.

2004
01:31:13,034 --> 01:31:15,314
Speaker 5: And did he really say that? Like felt like Tom?

2005
01:31:15,394 --> 01:31:15,874
Speaker 5: Like Tom did.

2006
01:31:17,394 --> 01:31:19,994
Speaker 4: Let's get back to the TPX outline. Trey's in Memphis.

2007
01:31:19,994 --> 01:31:20,634
Speaker 4: What's up? Trey?

2008
01:31:22,474 --> 01:31:23,594
Speaker 12: Hey, guys, how's it going?

2009
01:31:23,794 --> 01:31:24,194
Speaker 5: Okay?

2010
01:31:25,394 --> 01:31:26,194
Speaker 12: Many can't you guys?

2011
01:31:26,194 --> 01:31:26,514
Speaker 17: Hear me?

2012
01:31:28,714 --> 01:31:31,234
Speaker 12: All right, So Beny Wise that I've called man, but

2013
01:31:31,314 --> 01:31:33,554
Speaker 12: I have been listening. I just have a couple of

2014
01:31:33,554 --> 01:31:37,274
Speaker 12: teams and a fridge. Please don't hit the button. Cut

2015
01:31:37,274 --> 01:31:40,474
Speaker 12: me off. I'm not gonna curry. But when I look

2016
01:31:40,514 --> 01:31:44,394
Speaker 12: at a couple of the teams like the uh, the Jaguars,

2017
01:31:44,434 --> 01:31:48,714
Speaker 12: the Pensionadi Bagels, and the Ditans, they do have those

2018
01:31:50,274 --> 01:31:54,114
Speaker 12: they do have those weapons that we would love to have.

2019
01:31:54,234 --> 01:31:57,194
Speaker 12: I mean, but when you look at both those teams,

2020
01:31:57,234 --> 01:32:00,434
Speaker 12: those teams an't want a game of du better than you.

2021
01:32:01,314 --> 01:32:03,634
Speaker 12: And the second thing gonna during the off season, I

2022
01:32:03,674 --> 01:32:07,434
Speaker 12: want to this is what I would do if I

2023
01:32:07,554 --> 01:32:10,994
Speaker 12: was Gerry Meo. I was demote the Marcus covering in

2024
01:32:11,074 --> 01:32:13,874
Speaker 12: his ad. Hey, man, you know you just go back

2025
01:32:13,914 --> 01:32:19,354
Speaker 12: to being a decoordinator. And I would talk to Alixavan

2026
01:32:19,474 --> 01:32:25,474
Speaker 12: Pilp to see if if I decided to make a

2027
01:32:25,594 --> 01:32:28,994
Speaker 12: move or just have him to just be a QB

2028
01:32:29,194 --> 01:32:30,594
Speaker 12: coaching So what you guys.

2029
01:32:30,594 --> 01:32:33,914
Speaker 4: Okay, so who's who's your defensive coordinator and who's your

2030
01:32:33,954 --> 01:32:36,113
Speaker 4: offensive coordinator? In that scenario?

2031
01:32:36,194 --> 01:32:41,834
Speaker 12: Well now, I mean, but I'm just saying that if

2032
01:32:41,874 --> 01:32:46,474
Speaker 12: I was to make it, I mean, it's different, just

2033
01:32:46,674 --> 01:32:49,634
Speaker 12: a scenario they don't putting out that. I mean, but

2034
01:32:50,234 --> 01:32:52,754
Speaker 12: I don't know it's far to be coordinated wise. I mean,

2035
01:32:52,834 --> 01:32:57,234
Speaker 12: but if been with me, I think Mayo still do

2036
01:32:57,474 --> 01:33:01,274
Speaker 12: like what Billy Kick did over the years, be the

2037
01:33:01,314 --> 01:33:05,234
Speaker 12: main guy just really you know, calling the defensive just

2038
01:33:05,234 --> 01:33:08,714
Speaker 12: just half the guys with a title. Now, as far

2039
01:33:08,754 --> 01:33:14,274
Speaker 12: as offensive coordinator, I have no idea. I mean, because

2040
01:33:14,394 --> 01:33:18,434
Speaker 12: I don't know who would want to I'm gonna take

2041
01:33:18,474 --> 01:33:19,594
Speaker 12: this offensive job.

2042
01:33:19,954 --> 01:33:21,834
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's the problem this year.

2043
01:33:21,954 --> 01:33:26,714
Speaker 5: I mean so yeah, that was an underrated problem, like

2044
01:33:26,754 --> 01:33:29,234
Speaker 5: filling out the coaching staff at a hard time finding

2045
01:33:29,234 --> 01:33:32,714
Speaker 5: guys that wanted the job they did the other you

2046
01:33:32,794 --> 01:33:38,154
Speaker 5: know when like Covington and Van Pelt are probably I'm

2047
01:33:38,194 --> 01:33:41,234
Speaker 5: not going to say never because you know, you never know,

2048
01:33:41,834 --> 01:33:45,314
Speaker 5: but they're probably not going to accept emotions to stay here.

2049
01:33:45,554 --> 01:33:47,354
Speaker 5: Like you're not going to have Alex van Pelt. We

2050
01:33:47,394 --> 01:33:49,994
Speaker 5: want you to be the quarterbacks coach. Now, you know

2051
01:33:50,754 --> 01:33:51,954
Speaker 5: it's probably not going to happen.

2052
01:33:52,074 --> 01:33:58,034
Speaker 1: No, right, there's no I know that's I mean, yeah,

2053
01:33:58,194 --> 01:33:58,514
Speaker 1: like I.

2054
01:33:58,514 --> 01:34:00,674
Speaker 5: Had someone in the mail bag this week suggested that

2055
01:34:00,674 --> 01:34:04,554
Speaker 5: they should make Gerard Meo the defensive coordinator and hire

2056
01:34:04,554 --> 01:34:08,354
Speaker 5: a new head coach like, what makes you think. I

2057
01:34:08,714 --> 01:34:12,754
Speaker 5: suppose you could say, well, he continues to get paid

2058
01:34:13,114 --> 01:34:15,594
Speaker 5: because he's under contract and he gets the same money.

2059
01:34:15,594 --> 01:34:18,154
Speaker 5: But like, even it's so unreal.

2060
01:34:17,994 --> 01:34:19,354
Speaker 1: It's not gonna work for the team when all of

2061
01:34:19,394 --> 01:34:21,754
Speaker 1: a sudden you're you're you're neutering your head coach and

2062
01:34:22,154 --> 01:34:24,714
Speaker 1: you got a new guy in and it's just you

2063
01:34:24,754 --> 01:34:26,634
Speaker 1: gotta just sit and take it and hope that they

2064
01:34:26,674 --> 01:34:28,434
Speaker 1: find a way to get these guys to play better.

2065
01:34:28,674 --> 01:34:33,434
Speaker 4: Yep, Lee and malvern Uk says I enjoyed the experience

2066
01:34:33,434 --> 01:34:35,314
Speaker 4: of the London game. Thought we might be off to

2067
01:34:35,474 --> 01:34:38,674
Speaker 4: of the races as we started so well, split my

2068
01:34:38,794 --> 01:34:41,194
Speaker 4: jeens celebrating the touchdowns, so it had to be a

2069
01:34:41,234 --> 01:34:45,194
Speaker 4: bit more circumspect afterwards. But the Jaguars could have won

2070
01:34:45,234 --> 01:34:47,514
Speaker 4: by far more if they'd run the ball from the start.

2071
01:34:48,154 --> 01:34:51,074
Speaker 4: This talk about the record not mattering. It does matter.

2072
01:34:51,514 --> 01:34:53,674
Speaker 4: I want them to win every week and it matters

2073
01:34:53,714 --> 01:34:56,554
Speaker 4: to every fan that pays to see the team, either

2074
01:34:56,594 --> 01:34:58,514
Speaker 4: by going to a game, watching it in a bar,

2075
01:34:58,634 --> 01:35:01,394
Speaker 4: or paying to watch it home. Start of this year

2076
01:35:01,794 --> 01:35:04,034
Speaker 4: I thought that the team could end up with a

2077
01:35:04,154 --> 01:35:07,394
Speaker 4: worse record than last year based on the fixtures, the

2078
01:35:07,474 --> 01:35:09,874
Speaker 4: need to draft a quarterback in the first round, and

2079
01:35:10,034 --> 01:35:13,154
Speaker 4: new coaches doing jobs they've never done. There's some bad

2080
01:35:13,234 --> 01:35:15,754
Speaker 4: teams in the league and realizing where one of them

2081
01:35:15,954 --> 01:35:17,034
Speaker 4: is tough to swallow.

2082
01:35:17,994 --> 01:35:19,474
Speaker 1: I mean, that's the truth.

2083
01:35:19,674 --> 01:35:19,994
Speaker 4: It is.

2084
01:35:21,154 --> 01:35:24,354
Speaker 1: It's just, you know, I'm okay with struggling, but there's

2085
01:35:24,394 --> 01:35:27,394
Speaker 1: just a certain like bottom two, bottom three teams that

2086
01:35:27,594 --> 01:35:28,994
Speaker 1: just there's.

2087
01:35:28,834 --> 01:35:30,754
Speaker 5: A couple of years in the row. Like and the

2088
01:35:31,114 --> 01:35:36,194
Speaker 5: other part of that is, like I think most people,

2089
01:35:36,434 --> 01:35:38,394
Speaker 5: you know, the whole like the record doesn't matter. It

2090
01:35:38,434 --> 01:35:41,834
Speaker 5: does matter, you know whatever. I don't think that the

2091
01:35:41,914 --> 01:35:43,794
Speaker 5: record is the important thing. Like the one in six

2092
01:35:43,834 --> 01:35:45,994
Speaker 5: part to me, is not the thing that's it's not

2093
01:35:45,994 --> 01:35:48,314
Speaker 5: even anywhere near the most troubling part. It's the way

2094
01:35:48,354 --> 01:35:51,594
Speaker 5: it looks. It's it's the stuff that we're talking about

2095
01:35:51,594 --> 01:35:55,234
Speaker 5: instead of football. That's the most troubling part. You know,

2096
01:35:55,274 --> 01:35:58,794
Speaker 5: we're talking about the coach Colin is players soft, The

2097
01:35:58,834 --> 01:36:02,994
Speaker 5: players respond trying to respond to that. It's young guys

2098
01:36:03,034 --> 01:36:06,434
Speaker 5: sort of you know, spouting off. It's the social media stuff.

2099
01:36:06,634 --> 01:36:11,434
Speaker 5: It's it's the you know, guys being inactive. You know,

2100
01:36:11,514 --> 01:36:13,554
Speaker 5: like we're going to make changes and there's not really

2101
01:36:13,554 --> 01:36:15,274
Speaker 5: any change. Those are the things to me that are

2102
01:36:15,314 --> 01:36:19,154
Speaker 5: far more concerning than being one and six because I

2103
01:36:19,234 --> 01:36:21,514
Speaker 5: kind of expected to be one in six. I actually

2104
01:36:21,554 --> 01:36:24,714
Speaker 5: said yesterday, like I thought that there was a chance

2105
01:36:24,754 --> 01:36:27,314
Speaker 5: if they lost to Seattle and the home opener, that

2106
01:36:27,394 --> 01:36:30,114
Speaker 5: they would go to London winless, because I didn't think

2107
01:36:30,114 --> 01:36:33,274
Speaker 5: they would beat Cincinnati. So one and six was the

2108
01:36:33,274 --> 01:36:35,834
Speaker 5: best I kind of hoped for coming out of London. Yeah,

2109
01:36:36,394 --> 01:36:39,194
Speaker 5: I honest, I so agree. I mean, I didn't think

2110
01:36:39,194 --> 01:36:39,914
Speaker 5: it would look like this.

2111
01:36:40,194 --> 01:36:43,354
Speaker 1: But the Pepper's, the bar Moore situation with law enforcement,

2112
01:36:43,394 --> 01:36:46,834
Speaker 1: I mean, those it happens. But at the same time,

2113
01:36:46,994 --> 01:36:49,954
Speaker 1: like that's the things you were hoping culture wise, that

2114
01:36:50,114 --> 01:36:51,634
Speaker 1: you know, you're gonna have a team that isn't going

2115
01:36:51,714 --> 01:36:54,474
Speaker 1: to be taking snipes at each other on social media,

2116
01:36:54,514 --> 01:36:57,234
Speaker 1: sending cryptic messages. I mean, I thought Tommy Kurrn had

2117
01:36:57,274 --> 01:36:59,714
Speaker 1: a good question day to Kashon Booty, which Kashaon couldn't

2118
01:36:59,714 --> 01:37:02,034
Speaker 1: really answer, But I liked what tom was getting at

2119
01:37:02,074 --> 01:37:04,634
Speaker 1: of just like, you know, what's the what's the upside

2120
01:37:04,954 --> 01:37:07,314
Speaker 1: of posting the social media good or bad? Like what

2121
01:37:07,514 --> 01:37:11,394
Speaker 1: you know, like what can possibly come good of all

2122
01:37:11,434 --> 01:37:14,994
Speaker 1: these things? All people do is speculate on like Jalen Polk.

2123
01:37:14,994 --> 01:37:16,834
Speaker 1: We said he's in concussion protocol. That could have been

2124
01:37:16,834 --> 01:37:19,114
Speaker 1: as simple as I'm good. I'm good. You know I've

2125
01:37:19,154 --> 01:37:22,314
Speaker 1: been concussion protocol. But peace I'm okay could have easily

2126
01:37:22,314 --> 01:37:25,034
Speaker 1: been that, and other people can interpret it like peace,

2127
01:37:25,034 --> 01:37:27,994
Speaker 1: I'm out, And you just leave so much ambiguity that

2128
01:37:28,034 --> 01:37:31,234
Speaker 1: it only what is it. Don't don't believe, don't feed

2129
01:37:31,274 --> 01:37:34,194
Speaker 1: the hype like that's that's one of those things. Add

2130
01:37:34,314 --> 01:37:35,794
Speaker 1: to the noise, add to the noise.

2131
01:37:35,794 --> 01:37:39,034
Speaker 4: And we didn't mention. Did we mention that Mao said

2132
01:37:39,034 --> 01:37:40,834
Speaker 4: that Polk is in the concussion protocol?

2133
01:37:40,914 --> 01:37:42,794
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean I he left the game with a

2134
01:37:42,834 --> 01:37:45,434
Speaker 5: head injury, you know, like to me, a head injury

2135
01:37:45,474 --> 01:37:48,474
Speaker 5: isn't because they got a bump like he got concussed.

2136
01:37:48,594 --> 01:37:52,514
Speaker 4: Any interest in Cooper Cup No, no, no, none.

2137
01:37:52,434 --> 01:37:53,874
Speaker 1: At all at this point.

2138
01:37:54,514 --> 01:37:55,994
Speaker 5: Receivers that aren't going to be part of my next

2139
01:37:56,034 --> 01:37:57,554
Speaker 5: good that he'll be thirty.

2140
01:37:57,794 --> 01:38:00,994
Speaker 1: I'm gonna like vehemently climb up mount I don't want

2141
01:38:01,394 --> 01:38:03,394
Speaker 1: your free agent receiver. I'm going to climb out that

2142
01:38:03,434 --> 01:38:04,314
Speaker 1: mountain and just lit.

2143
01:38:04,834 --> 01:38:07,274
Speaker 5: We got an email like in the as PFW a

2144
01:38:07,274 --> 01:38:10,954
Speaker 5: little while ago and it was mentioning guys like Treylon

2145
01:38:11,034 --> 01:38:15,554
Speaker 5: Burks for Tennessee who hasn't really established, you know, much

2146
01:38:15,594 --> 01:38:18,714
Speaker 5: of a role in their receiving court. John Metchi in Houston,

2147
01:38:18,914 --> 01:38:22,194
Speaker 5: same thing, and Walker Little, the tackle who came in

2148
01:38:22,914 --> 01:38:27,274
Speaker 5: on Sunday to play for Cam Robbins for Jacksonville. Those

2149
01:38:27,314 --> 01:38:29,634
Speaker 5: three guys i'd be interested in. You know, I don't

2150
01:38:29,674 --> 01:38:31,714
Speaker 5: know if they're any good. I have no idea, but

2151
01:38:31,754 --> 01:38:36,394
Speaker 5: they were you know, you could have. But I think

2152
01:38:36,394 --> 01:38:38,994
Speaker 5: they're all Day two picks, so there was an element

2153
01:38:38,994 --> 01:38:42,954
Speaker 5: of talent to them. In Burks's case, I think it

2154
01:38:42,994 --> 01:38:46,114
Speaker 5: was a first round pick. Was I think Metchi was

2155
01:38:46,154 --> 01:38:49,114
Speaker 5: a second rounder, and I think Walker Little was the

2156
01:38:49,114 --> 01:38:52,594
Speaker 5: second rounder. As my voice Peter Brady's. So those kinds

2157
01:38:52,634 --> 01:38:55,674
Speaker 5: of guys, they haven't really established anything with their current teams.

2158
01:38:56,274 --> 01:39:00,434
Speaker 5: Maybe they can become available. Maybe you can. Now I'm

2159
01:39:00,474 --> 01:39:02,234
Speaker 5: not giving you a second or third round pick for

2160
01:39:02,274 --> 01:39:05,994
Speaker 5: those guys. I'm giving you sixth, you know, seventh round.

2161
01:39:06,034 --> 01:39:09,834
Speaker 5: These guys not really played, but maybe young guys that

2162
01:39:09,874 --> 01:39:12,114
Speaker 5: you could bring in develop that might be better than

2163
01:39:12,154 --> 01:39:14,874
Speaker 5: what you have now. So they like Walker Little, wouldn't

2164
01:39:14,874 --> 01:39:17,594
Speaker 5: he play left tackle for you? Right? Now and maybe

2165
01:39:17,594 --> 01:39:18,794
Speaker 5: by the end of the year you're like, hey, we

2166
01:39:18,874 --> 01:39:21,674
Speaker 5: might have something with Walker a little that you could

2167
01:39:21,714 --> 01:39:23,474
Speaker 5: convince me to do. You could be a buyer if

2168
01:39:23,474 --> 01:39:24,674
Speaker 5: that's the kind of guy you're buying.

2169
01:39:25,314 --> 01:39:27,394
Speaker 1: It's just the it's like the Amari Coopers of the world,

2170
01:39:27,434 --> 01:39:30,394
Speaker 1: and these moves, like these moves of grabbing a veteran

2171
01:39:30,434 --> 01:39:32,154
Speaker 1: wide receiver in the middle of the season to kind

2172
01:39:32,154 --> 01:39:33,874
Speaker 1: of put you're seeing what kind of teams are doing

2173
01:39:33,954 --> 01:39:36,154
Speaker 1: that right now? They are not that team like, and

2174
01:39:36,194 --> 01:39:38,994
Speaker 1: it's stupid to try to allocate resources on somebody that

2175
01:39:39,114 --> 01:39:41,634
Speaker 1: isn't going to be part of it long term. So yeah,

2176
01:39:41,634 --> 01:39:42,994
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm with Paul though. I mean, though, you know,

2177
01:39:43,074 --> 01:39:45,194
Speaker 1: taking shots on guys who are just coming off their

2178
01:39:45,194 --> 01:39:47,954
Speaker 1: first contractor still in their twenties, I'm fine with it.

2179
01:39:47,954 --> 01:39:51,314
Speaker 1: It's just it's just the aged name that isn't the

2180
01:39:51,314 --> 01:39:54,114
Speaker 1: player that they used to be. But he's got name recognition,

2181
01:39:54,234 --> 01:39:56,674
Speaker 1: so the fantasy crowd knows who he is, and you know,

2182
01:39:56,714 --> 01:39:59,193
Speaker 1: would Amari Cooper make a difference, I mean for this team.

2183
01:39:58,994 --> 01:40:01,114
Speaker 5: No, Freddie, I just wanted to bring up Cup again.

2184
01:40:01,194 --> 01:40:04,354
Speaker 5: I tweeted this out yesterday and I took my I

2185
01:40:04,394 --> 01:40:07,194
Speaker 5: took my beating like I should have. Someone called into

2186
01:40:07,234 --> 01:40:11,354
Speaker 5: the the the postgame show and suggested the Patriots, you know,

2187
01:40:11,514 --> 01:40:13,514
Speaker 5: you think Cooper Cup could be available. I was like,

2188
01:40:13,514 --> 01:40:15,754
Speaker 5: why would the Rams trade him? Like he's finally going

2189
01:40:15,794 --> 01:40:18,034
Speaker 5: to be coming back healthy. I think he's playing Thursday night,

2190
01:40:18,274 --> 01:40:23,754
Speaker 5: Tomorrow night. They get an old quarterback. You know, those

2191
01:40:23,794 --> 01:40:26,153
Speaker 5: receivers are a big part of their ow. But evidently

2192
01:40:26,874 --> 01:40:29,674
Speaker 5: now I'll believe it when I see it, and I'll

2193
01:40:29,674 --> 01:40:33,754
Speaker 5: tell you off air why. But the report came out

2194
01:40:33,834 --> 01:40:37,474
Speaker 5: yesterday that that you know, they're they're taking calls or

2195
01:40:37,474 --> 01:40:40,994
Speaker 5: they're interested in peddling Cooper Cup. And I get it,

2196
01:40:40,994 --> 01:40:43,954
Speaker 5: he's thirty, when he's almost thirty two years old, he's

2197
01:40:43,994 --> 01:40:47,514
Speaker 5: off injured. But for that reason, like the Chiefs again,

2198
01:40:48,154 --> 01:40:52,234
Speaker 5: Cooper Cup makes sense, Like they need receivers. They're good

2199
01:40:52,314 --> 01:40:55,314
Speaker 5: enough to win right now. I don't see any upside

2200
01:40:55,314 --> 01:40:56,194
Speaker 5: for the Patriots now.

2201
01:40:56,234 --> 01:40:57,674
Speaker 1: They don't need much out of them. They need, you know,

2202
01:40:57,794 --> 01:40:58,954
Speaker 1: give us this year. That's it.

2203
01:40:58,954 --> 01:41:02,234
Speaker 5: Give us this year and then if you get something left,

2204
01:41:02,274 --> 01:41:03,354
Speaker 5: you can help us win a title.

2205
01:41:03,474 --> 01:41:05,314
Speaker 1: It's not like, hey, we want you to get get

2206
01:41:05,314 --> 01:41:07,154
Speaker 1: familiar with Drake this year in the next year is

2207
01:41:07,154 --> 01:41:08,754
Speaker 1: really when we're gonna shine, get a.

2208
01:41:08,714 --> 01:41:13,354
Speaker 5: Cooper Cup and Kendrick Bourne. It's like East Eastern Washington's

2209
01:41:13,394 --> 01:41:14,194
Speaker 5: receiver Corps.

2210
01:41:14,474 --> 01:41:17,714
Speaker 4: Robin Bellingham writes in I really appreciate your balance takes

2211
01:41:17,834 --> 01:41:20,394
Speaker 4: yesterday on all of the stuff going on in the

2212
01:41:20,434 --> 01:41:23,274
Speaker 4: media between the organization and Belichick. Thank you for being

2213
01:41:23,354 --> 01:41:27,153
Speaker 4: sane about it. This fan base is becoming so toxic

2214
01:41:27,314 --> 01:41:30,073
Speaker 4: at this point that it makes it difficult to engage

2215
01:41:30,114 --> 01:41:33,474
Speaker 4: with them at all if you disagree with the hive mind,

2216
01:41:33,914 --> 01:41:37,554
Speaker 4: at least online. They've been killing ArKade for not being

2217
01:41:38,154 --> 01:41:40,874
Speaker 4: for hiring Mayo, and as soon as the media started

2218
01:41:40,914 --> 01:41:43,754
Speaker 4: talking about Mayo's job not being guaranteed for next year,

2219
01:41:44,154 --> 01:41:47,754
Speaker 4: they're killing him for trying to save face by possibly

2220
01:41:47,794 --> 01:41:51,634
Speaker 4: firing him. This fan base has become insane, and you're

2221
01:41:51,714 --> 01:41:55,234
Speaker 4: the last place that's attempting to inject some sane, rational

2222
01:41:55,274 --> 01:41:57,914
Speaker 4: opinions on the current state of the team.

2223
01:41:58,914 --> 01:42:02,154
Speaker 5: I've never been described that way here. You go, Well,

2224
01:42:02,194 --> 01:42:03,954
Speaker 5: it's just what I'm missane, is they come.

2225
01:42:03,994 --> 01:42:05,554
Speaker 1: I've kind of been going through this for a couple

2226
01:42:05,594 --> 01:42:08,074
Speaker 1: of years now, Like I don't feel like it's we're

2227
01:42:08,114 --> 01:42:10,034
Speaker 1: so out of what we're used to like they they

2228
01:42:10,114 --> 01:42:11,914
Speaker 1: haven't been that great, Like we've been kind of trying

2229
01:42:11,914 --> 01:42:14,114
Speaker 1: to calm the masses. I feel like, for you know,

2230
01:42:14,154 --> 01:42:15,314
Speaker 1: ever since twenty twenty two.

2231
01:42:15,474 --> 01:42:18,194
Speaker 5: Really, I've said it a few times over the last

2232
01:42:18,274 --> 01:42:20,794
Speaker 5: couple of years, and I just think that people you

2233
01:42:20,794 --> 01:42:22,314
Speaker 5: you kind of talked about this a little while ago.

2234
01:42:22,394 --> 01:42:24,514
Speaker 5: It's like when Bill was still here, you just you

2235
01:42:24,634 --> 01:42:27,114
Speaker 5: kept in the back your mind wondering, you know, is

2236
01:42:27,154 --> 01:42:29,634
Speaker 5: this the week, is this the week he turns it around?

2237
01:42:30,074 --> 01:42:34,154
Speaker 5: I think people have been very slow to understand just

2238
01:42:34,234 --> 01:42:37,514
Speaker 5: how far away they they have been, in my opinion

2239
01:42:37,554 --> 01:42:41,474
Speaker 5: for three years. And in twenty one they made they

2240
01:42:41,554 --> 01:42:43,954
Speaker 5: made the playoffs, but they weren't close. And then they

2241
01:42:44,114 --> 01:42:46,354
Speaker 5: have gone They've gone backwards since and I don't think

2242
01:42:46,354 --> 01:42:48,074
Speaker 5: people have really recognized it until now.

2243
01:42:48,314 --> 01:42:53,194
Speaker 4: Yeah, guess who's back from practice?

2244
01:42:54,714 --> 01:42:56,594
Speaker 8: Has returned from practice?

2245
01:42:56,794 --> 01:42:58,594
Speaker 20: Evan has turned.

2246
01:43:00,714 --> 01:43:03,074
Speaker 8: Has returned from practice.

2247
01:43:03,194 --> 01:43:08,474
Speaker 4: The Evan what's up?

2248
01:43:08,834 --> 01:43:10,554
Speaker 6: Hello? Do we want the good news first? To the

2249
01:43:10,594 --> 01:43:11,034
Speaker 6: bad news?

2250
01:43:11,114 --> 01:43:13,514
Speaker 4: I liked you decide?

2251
01:43:15,594 --> 01:43:17,874
Speaker 6: Do you guys that like bad news first?

2252
01:43:17,914 --> 01:43:18,714
Speaker 5: I want the goods?

2253
01:43:18,994 --> 01:43:22,154
Speaker 6: The good news is that Vederian Lowe was back at

2254
01:43:22,234 --> 01:43:23,154
Speaker 6: practice today for.

2255
01:43:23,234 --> 01:43:25,034
Speaker 1: The Patriots Showedy got low.

2256
01:43:25,354 --> 01:43:25,474
Speaker 4: Now.

2257
01:43:25,514 --> 01:43:27,314
Speaker 6: I think he's still going to be kind of limited,

2258
01:43:27,394 --> 01:43:32,514
Speaker 6: but he was there when we took attendance. The bad

2259
01:43:32,634 --> 01:43:36,834
Speaker 6: news is that there were four players absent. Jalen Polk,

2260
01:43:36,954 --> 01:43:41,514
Speaker 6: who Dradmeo says in concussion protocol, Ramandre Stevenson, who I

2261
01:43:41,634 --> 01:43:46,834
Speaker 6: am assuming is managing something throughout the week, Leyden Robinson

2262
01:43:47,674 --> 01:43:52,234
Speaker 6: not present start practice after injuring his ankle, and Curtis

2263
01:43:52,554 --> 01:43:57,314
Speaker 6: Jacobs is the fourth one, a linebacker, Curtis Jacobs, who's

2264
01:43:57,314 --> 01:44:00,154
Speaker 6: been on the fifty three man roster for a while now. Uh,

2265
01:44:00,474 --> 01:44:04,154
Speaker 6: that one perked up my years a little bit, coming

2266
01:44:04,314 --> 01:44:06,354
Speaker 6: some roster transactions.

2267
01:44:05,794 --> 01:44:08,474
Speaker 5: Possibly bringing Cooper Cup Cooper cut.

2268
01:44:08,714 --> 01:44:09,314
Speaker 6: That's what I'm hearing.

2269
01:44:10,154 --> 01:44:13,474
Speaker 4: Totally kidding, all right, So let's get into the details.

2270
01:44:14,514 --> 01:44:16,074
Speaker 4: Rather a warm day out.

2271
01:44:15,994 --> 01:44:20,194
Speaker 6: There, unseasonably warm, him going.

2272
01:44:20,274 --> 01:44:21,114
Speaker 1: He doesn't like the weather.

2273
01:44:21,474 --> 01:44:25,554
Speaker 6: He know, I don't like people that I just gotta

2274
01:44:25,594 --> 01:44:28,034
Speaker 6: be outside today, like it's just like okay.

2275
01:44:27,994 --> 01:44:31,354
Speaker 5: Like I can see that, but does that doesn't care

2276
01:44:31,434 --> 01:44:31,594
Speaker 5: for it.

2277
01:44:31,794 --> 01:44:32,834
Speaker 1: It just just relaxing.

2278
01:44:34,274 --> 01:44:36,514
Speaker 4: It's too sunny. You can't see the all twenty two.

2279
01:44:37,154 --> 01:44:37,914
Speaker 4: It's really hard.

2280
01:44:40,074 --> 01:44:42,074
Speaker 6: They're all happy it's warm out and relaxed. Some other

2281
01:44:42,194 --> 01:44:43,434
Speaker 6: nature like, let's.

2282
01:44:43,314 --> 01:44:45,234
Speaker 5: Just relax some mother nature.

2283
01:44:46,034 --> 01:44:49,914
Speaker 4: Anyway, I'd be outside if I could be, absolutely But

2284
01:44:50,354 --> 01:44:52,194
Speaker 4: do the players feel the same way. Did you see

2285
01:44:52,234 --> 01:44:54,994
Speaker 4: a bounce of their step despite whatever everything that's going on.

2286
01:44:56,314 --> 01:44:59,074
Speaker 6: I wouldn't say bounce. I would say that there is

2287
01:44:59,194 --> 01:45:02,034
Speaker 6: good energy and focus, though I don't This does not

2288
01:45:02,234 --> 01:45:04,714
Speaker 6: look like and it never does. I feel like I

2289
01:45:04,794 --> 01:45:06,714
Speaker 6: get this question a lot from like people, you know,

2290
01:45:06,834 --> 01:45:09,154
Speaker 6: my parents and stuff like does it feel bad?

2291
01:45:09,354 --> 01:45:09,634
Speaker 18: Like you know?

2292
01:45:09,834 --> 01:45:11,274
Speaker 6: I feel like it never actually does.

2293
01:45:12,154 --> 01:45:12,874
Speaker 5: Couldn't agree more.

2294
01:45:12,954 --> 01:45:14,714
Speaker 6: Six and one one in six. I don't think it

2295
01:45:14,794 --> 01:45:17,994
Speaker 6: really makes a difference. They're out there, it's another day

2296
01:45:18,034 --> 01:45:21,274
Speaker 6: of practice. They're doing their job, so I have no

2297
01:45:21,554 --> 01:45:22,354
Speaker 6: vibe changes.

2298
01:45:22,514 --> 01:45:25,034
Speaker 4: I would say, huh, okay, well I'm not sure if

2299
01:45:25,034 --> 01:45:28,314
Speaker 4: that's good. I don't know if I like that, you know,

2300
01:45:29,474 --> 01:45:32,994
Speaker 4: I would. I would hope that you know. The vibe

2301
01:45:33,034 --> 01:45:36,354
Speaker 4: when you're six and one is you know your upbeat.

2302
01:45:36,354 --> 01:45:38,114
Speaker 4: And I think the vibe when you're one in six

2303
01:45:38,274 --> 01:45:41,194
Speaker 4: is we better get better. I don't know. I think

2304
01:45:41,234 --> 01:45:43,194
Speaker 4: it's I think it should be a different vibe, but

2305
01:45:43,754 --> 01:45:44,234
Speaker 4: that's just me.

2306
01:45:44,674 --> 01:45:46,554
Speaker 5: Mike Felger have a lot in comment they think there

2307
01:45:46,594 --> 01:45:49,194
Speaker 5: should be a good vibe. You should be and when

2308
01:45:49,234 --> 01:45:51,714
Speaker 5: you're one in six, you should be wanting to do better, right.

2309
01:45:52,274 --> 01:45:52,714
Speaker 4: Not the same.

2310
01:45:52,794 --> 01:45:54,314
Speaker 1: They want to win, not the same.

2311
01:45:56,034 --> 01:46:00,514
Speaker 6: So today was passing pads, okay, pads, work on the

2312
01:46:01,074 --> 01:46:02,754
Speaker 6: run game on both sides of the ball.

2313
01:46:02,874 --> 01:46:06,354
Speaker 4: Maybe today and I can do that in practice these

2314
01:46:06,474 --> 01:46:08,754
Speaker 4: days without being able to pound each other.

2315
01:46:10,314 --> 01:46:13,394
Speaker 6: I don't know. I don't think that they do anything

2316
01:46:13,474 --> 01:46:15,754
Speaker 6: differently than what we see in training camp on Wednesdays.

2317
01:46:15,794 --> 01:46:19,194
Speaker 6: I think it is Wednesday is a pretty physical, physical day.

2318
01:46:19,474 --> 01:46:21,754
Speaker 4: If Gerrod wanted to, I mean, I don't think it

2319
01:46:21,794 --> 01:46:25,154
Speaker 4: would be advisable, you know, because the potential for inge.

2320
01:46:25,434 --> 01:46:27,834
Speaker 4: But could he say, you know what, let's get on

2321
01:46:27,914 --> 01:46:30,394
Speaker 4: the goal line. We're doing run and it's going to

2322
01:46:30,434 --> 01:46:34,194
Speaker 4: be one hundred percent. Yeah, so the rules would allow

2323
01:46:34,274 --> 01:46:37,314
Speaker 4: for that, Yeah yeah, yeah, sure, Yeah. I think Wednesdays

2324
01:46:37,354 --> 01:46:38,674
Speaker 4: are a print. Now.

2325
01:46:38,714 --> 01:46:41,794
Speaker 6: They probably aren't tackling to the ground. They're probably thudding,

2326
01:46:42,314 --> 01:46:44,874
Speaker 6: you know, on a day like today. But I think

2327
01:46:44,994 --> 01:46:48,754
Speaker 6: in the trenches it's it's like training camp, like it's live.

2328
01:46:48,954 --> 01:46:50,594
Speaker 6: You know, they're they're going after it.

2329
01:46:51,434 --> 01:46:55,314
Speaker 4: Okay, So speaking of going after it, the media, yes,

2330
01:46:56,754 --> 01:46:59,074
Speaker 4: seems to be a lot of things going on with

2331
01:46:59,194 --> 01:47:03,554
Speaker 4: the media, Like it's you know, those who are you know,

2332
01:47:04,154 --> 01:47:06,834
Speaker 4: on the side of the organization and those who aren't,

2333
01:47:06,914 --> 01:47:11,274
Speaker 4: and you know there's infighting and statements being made, you know,

2334
01:47:11,434 --> 01:47:15,634
Speaker 4: on Twitter and all this stuff. Yeah, oh, so, like

2335
01:47:16,354 --> 01:47:17,874
Speaker 4: do you see any of that out there?

2336
01:47:17,994 --> 01:47:18,034
Speaker 7: Is?

2337
01:47:18,274 --> 01:47:21,554
Speaker 4: Is there a lot of consternation amongst the scribes.

2338
01:47:22,114 --> 01:47:26,434
Speaker 6: Yeah, it's an interesting time to be a scribe. It's

2339
01:47:26,474 --> 01:47:30,194
Speaker 6: an interesting time. I think it's difficult at right now

2340
01:47:30,314 --> 01:47:33,474
Speaker 6: that you want to give Girod Mayo in his first

2341
01:47:33,554 --> 01:47:35,794
Speaker 6: year as the head coach seven weeks in some grace

2342
01:47:36,034 --> 01:47:38,594
Speaker 6: and some time to grow into the role, but you

2343
01:47:38,674 --> 01:47:42,554
Speaker 6: also don't want to be labeled a water carrier either.

2344
01:47:42,714 --> 01:47:47,354
Speaker 6: So it's like it's a tough balance of being critical

2345
01:47:47,474 --> 01:47:50,434
Speaker 6: but also being fair to the fact that they told

2346
01:47:50,514 --> 01:47:52,234
Speaker 6: us coming in this was going to be a rebuild

2347
01:47:52,274 --> 01:47:54,034
Speaker 6: and that it might not be a lot of wins,

2348
01:47:54,354 --> 01:47:57,234
Speaker 6: you know, early on and in year one. But you

2349
01:47:57,394 --> 01:47:59,274
Speaker 6: also have to call a spade a spade. So I

2350
01:47:59,474 --> 01:48:01,074
Speaker 6: think right now a lot of people are trying to

2351
01:48:01,114 --> 01:48:04,074
Speaker 6: figure out how to strike that balance between the two.

2352
01:48:04,394 --> 01:48:09,794
Speaker 4: Yeah, and are there camps. Is there Craft camp Belichick

2353
01:48:09,874 --> 01:48:11,474
Speaker 4: camp or Mayo camp Belichick?

2354
01:48:11,554 --> 01:48:13,514
Speaker 6: Camp right now, I would say that.

2355
01:48:15,234 --> 01:48:15,954
Speaker 4: On their sleeves.

2356
01:48:16,274 --> 01:48:20,274
Speaker 6: No, but I would say, in my opinion that everybody

2357
01:48:20,474 --> 01:48:25,954
Speaker 6: still wants Mayo in this to succeed. I don't think

2358
01:48:25,954 --> 01:48:30,834
Speaker 6: there's anybody out there, oh I do that. No one

2359
01:48:30,914 --> 01:48:33,834
Speaker 6: I've talked to yet is out there saying that, you know,

2360
01:48:33,874 --> 01:48:36,514
Speaker 6: they got they got a problem here with with Girod Mayo.

2361
01:48:36,794 --> 01:48:39,234
Speaker 6: Like I think right now, a lot of people are

2362
01:48:39,314 --> 01:48:43,074
Speaker 6: realizing he's a young coach that's making some mistakes. Maybe,

2363
01:48:43,194 --> 01:48:45,514
Speaker 6: but let's give him some time. Let's give him some

2364
01:48:45,754 --> 01:48:49,034
Speaker 6: opportunity here to pull out of this before we start,

2365
01:48:49,154 --> 01:48:51,314
Speaker 6: you know, calling for his job or something like that.

2366
01:48:52,714 --> 01:48:58,154
Speaker 4: Okay, any other observations, Uh, what about the game coming up?

2367
01:48:59,034 --> 01:49:02,354
Speaker 4: I said, I'm kind of weirdly looking forward to this

2368
01:49:02,514 --> 01:49:05,754
Speaker 4: game in the challenge that it poses for the offense. Yeah,

2369
01:49:05,794 --> 01:49:08,314
Speaker 4: because the last the last time really the Jets kind

2370
01:49:08,314 --> 01:49:10,674
Speaker 4: of had a good offense was when we played him, Yeah,

2371
01:49:11,074 --> 01:49:14,754
Speaker 4: and they sacked the combination of the two quarterbacks seven times.

2372
01:49:14,954 --> 01:49:15,154
Speaker 5: Yep.

2373
01:49:16,394 --> 01:49:20,994
Speaker 4: And I'm interested to see if may looks any different

2374
01:49:21,114 --> 01:49:24,354
Speaker 4: or better against this same Jets defense as he did

2375
01:49:24,754 --> 01:49:26,514
Speaker 4: the last and now they had a lot of injuries

2376
01:49:26,674 --> 01:49:28,794
Speaker 4: last week in the secondary and all that stuff. But

2377
01:49:29,474 --> 01:49:32,634
Speaker 4: you know, the front seven is still pretty much the

2378
01:49:32,714 --> 01:49:35,834
Speaker 4: same as we've faced last time, and I want to

2379
01:49:35,874 --> 01:49:37,514
Speaker 4: see how May handles it.

2380
01:49:37,714 --> 01:49:40,634
Speaker 6: Yeah, it's an interesting it's a weird defense this year

2381
01:49:40,714 --> 01:49:43,594
Speaker 6: for the Jets because statistically they're they're middle of the

2382
01:49:43,674 --> 01:49:46,674
Speaker 6: pack and most things, and they're not very good based

2383
01:49:46,714 --> 01:49:49,154
Speaker 6: off the stats. But you look at the roster and

2384
01:49:49,234 --> 01:49:50,834
Speaker 6: it's all the same guys that have been there the

2385
01:49:50,914 --> 01:49:52,794
Speaker 6: last couple of years that have been a great defense.

2386
01:49:52,874 --> 01:49:55,914
Speaker 6: You know, it's still Sauce, Gardner and Quentin Williams and CJ.

2387
01:49:56,074 --> 01:49:58,274
Speaker 6: Moseley and all these different players. I think the one

2388
01:49:58,314 --> 01:50:00,594
Speaker 6: thing that's changed for them is, you know, they've played

2389
01:50:00,594 --> 01:50:03,194
Speaker 6: a lot more man coverage. They blitzed the Patriots a

2390
01:50:03,274 --> 01:50:04,914
Speaker 6: ton in that Week three game, which was kind of

2391
01:50:04,994 --> 01:50:07,874
Speaker 6: a big story coming out of that game. But then

2392
01:50:07,914 --> 01:50:09,474
Speaker 6: it turned out that that was just sort of a

2393
01:50:09,634 --> 01:50:13,714
Speaker 6: philosophical shift that the Jets were undergoing defensively. I think

2394
01:50:13,754 --> 01:50:17,474
Speaker 6: they really liked their corners Reed and Sauce and even

2395
01:50:17,554 --> 01:50:20,154
Speaker 6: Michael Carter in the slot, and they're trying to allow

2396
01:50:20,194 --> 01:50:22,794
Speaker 6: those guys to play man to man a little bit

2397
01:50:22,874 --> 01:50:25,514
Speaker 6: more often and use that to their advantage. But then

2398
01:50:25,634 --> 01:50:28,554
Speaker 6: last week they lose Reid and they lose Michael Carter

2399
01:50:28,714 --> 01:50:31,474
Speaker 6: and the backups got picked on a little bit. So

2400
01:50:32,314 --> 01:50:36,314
Speaker 6: it's a it hasn't been a good defense relative to expectations,

2401
01:50:36,314 --> 01:50:39,314
Speaker 6: almost a lot like the Patriots defense hasn't been good

2402
01:50:39,354 --> 01:50:42,394
Speaker 6: to expectation. But I think big picture with this matchup

2403
01:50:42,434 --> 01:50:45,674
Speaker 6: with the Jets, I mean, they got they got killed

2404
01:50:46,394 --> 01:50:48,954
Speaker 6: in Week three, like they that was not a competitive game,

2405
01:50:49,354 --> 01:50:52,234
Speaker 6: like the Jets completely overwhelmed them on both sides of

2406
01:50:52,234 --> 01:50:55,114
Speaker 6: the football, And I just wonder if that was a

2407
01:50:55,234 --> 01:50:58,194
Speaker 6: talent gap or if that was a bigger conversation about

2408
01:50:58,234 --> 01:51:00,874
Speaker 6: the two rosters and everything, or if it was a

2409
01:51:00,954 --> 01:51:04,434
Speaker 6: short week and home opener for the Jets and a

2410
01:51:04,514 --> 01:51:06,754
Speaker 6: lot of buzz in the building for Aaron Rodgers and

2411
01:51:07,074 --> 01:51:08,034
Speaker 6: all that kind of stuff.

2412
01:51:08,074 --> 01:51:09,834
Speaker 1: So we'll see, the wheels hadn't come off yet.

2413
01:51:10,074 --> 01:51:14,674
Speaker 4: Yeah, yep, all right, TPX. Heutline is eight five to

2414
01:51:14,754 --> 01:51:20,114
Speaker 4: five past five hundred. The email address is podcasts at

2415
01:51:20,594 --> 01:51:24,994
Speaker 4: Patriots dot com. Let's see Kamel right sin He's from

2416
01:51:25,234 --> 01:51:28,954
Speaker 4: wod Ye and I guess the athletic had some possible

2417
01:51:29,074 --> 01:51:31,554
Speaker 4: trades for the Patriots. What do you guys, think of

2418
01:51:31,634 --> 01:51:34,994
Speaker 4: these these trades. First one, Kendrick Bourne to the forty

2419
01:51:35,154 --> 01:51:37,314
Speaker 4: nine ers for a six round pick? Would you do it?

2420
01:51:37,434 --> 01:51:37,634
Speaker 1: Sure?

2421
01:51:37,754 --> 01:51:38,594
Speaker 5: I'd be interested in that.

2422
01:51:38,914 --> 01:51:38,954
Speaker 11: No?

2423
01:51:39,114 --> 01:51:42,074
Speaker 6: Thanks, no, thanks for a sixth round pick? Yeah no,

2424
01:51:42,274 --> 01:51:45,034
Speaker 6: I drive a harder bargain than that. Okay, at the

2425
01:51:45,114 --> 01:51:47,714
Speaker 6: trade deadline, like moments I knew who got traded for

2426
01:51:47,754 --> 01:51:49,754
Speaker 6: a second round pick. Now we're gonna give Kendrick Borne

2427
01:51:49,754 --> 01:51:50,834
Speaker 6: away for a sixth round pick?

2428
01:51:51,074 --> 01:51:51,114
Speaker 7: That?

2429
01:51:51,154 --> 01:51:52,234
Speaker 4: Would you would do it?

2430
01:51:52,434 --> 01:51:53,754
Speaker 6: What are you gonna do with the sixth round pick?

2431
01:51:53,794 --> 01:51:56,754
Speaker 5: Accumulated as many picks as I can? Okay, I want

2432
01:51:56,874 --> 01:51:59,554
Speaker 5: like twelve twelve or so draft picks next year if

2433
01:51:59,754 --> 01:52:01,754
Speaker 5: I can get them. I'm not I'm not just gonna

2434
01:52:02,314 --> 01:52:02,594
Speaker 5: all right.

2435
01:52:03,194 --> 01:52:05,754
Speaker 4: How about pick Jonathan Jones to the Vikings for a

2436
01:52:05,834 --> 01:52:10,074
Speaker 4: six round pick? You do that too, you're your fire sale,

2437
01:52:10,434 --> 01:52:11,234
Speaker 4: you'd sell it off.

2438
01:52:11,674 --> 01:52:14,274
Speaker 5: Look, this doesn't mean like every single guy needs to

2439
01:52:14,314 --> 01:52:16,594
Speaker 5: get traded, like I'm saying. They have a handful of

2440
01:52:17,314 --> 01:52:19,714
Speaker 5: veteran players that are probably not going to be part

2441
01:52:19,714 --> 01:52:20,714
Speaker 5: of your next good team.

2442
01:52:21,274 --> 01:52:21,474
Speaker 4: Yeah.

2443
01:52:21,474 --> 01:52:23,114
Speaker 5: I think those are two of them. I think there's

2444
01:52:23,114 --> 01:52:24,314
Speaker 5: probably another one coming up.

2445
01:52:24,434 --> 01:52:27,394
Speaker 4: All right, Joshua, that would be the Lions for a

2446
01:52:27,554 --> 01:52:28,354
Speaker 4: seventh round pick.

2447
01:52:28,594 --> 01:52:30,594
Speaker 5: Again, I would You wouldn't.

2448
01:52:30,314 --> 01:52:31,874
Speaker 4: Drive a harder bargain than I don't.

2449
01:52:31,714 --> 01:52:33,194
Speaker 5: Think these guys are worth any more than that.

2450
01:52:33,674 --> 01:52:35,754
Speaker 6: I think Kendrick Bourne is definitely worth more than a

2451
01:52:35,754 --> 01:52:39,354
Speaker 6: sixth round pick, But no chance the receivers every year

2452
01:52:39,394 --> 01:52:41,354
Speaker 6: at the deadline get moved for more than sixth round

2453
01:52:41,394 --> 01:52:42,994
Speaker 6: picks that can play in the league, like guys like

2454
01:52:43,074 --> 01:52:45,034
Speaker 6: Born that are veteran guys that that.

2455
01:52:45,314 --> 01:52:47,034
Speaker 5: Did the Hopkins just go for a fifth?

2456
01:52:47,514 --> 01:52:49,714
Speaker 6: No, he gave it went for a conditional fourth, fourth or.

2457
01:52:50,074 --> 01:52:50,874
Speaker 5: Right, so a fifth?

2458
01:52:51,394 --> 01:52:53,914
Speaker 4: Yeah, unless the condition is they have to make the

2459
01:52:53,994 --> 01:52:55,554
Speaker 4: Super Bowls to play a lot.

2460
01:52:55,714 --> 01:52:58,194
Speaker 5: So like I think that's what you're looking at. Like

2461
01:52:58,514 --> 01:53:00,354
Speaker 5: did the guys coming off of twenty a cl He

2462
01:53:00,434 --> 01:53:04,514
Speaker 5: hasn't done anything yet this year to show he's healthy, right, Like,

2463
01:53:05,354 --> 01:53:06,834
Speaker 5: I mean if he played the rest of this year

2464
01:53:06,874 --> 01:53:08,234
Speaker 5: and it was next and you know, and all of

2465
01:53:08,274 --> 01:53:12,034
Speaker 5: a sudden his production was where it was, say last year,

2466
01:53:12,714 --> 01:53:14,554
Speaker 5: and then next year you wanted to trade them, Sure

2467
01:53:14,634 --> 01:53:16,034
Speaker 5: you could get more than a sixth round pick.

2468
01:53:15,994 --> 01:53:21,153
Speaker 4: For Osbourne and the seventh to the Ravens for six.

2469
01:53:22,914 --> 01:53:24,154
Speaker 1: No, I wouldn't do it.

2470
01:53:24,554 --> 01:53:26,474
Speaker 6: I just don't see the point of any of these trades.

2471
01:53:26,554 --> 01:53:27,794
Speaker 6: Like if this is all you're going to get for

2472
01:53:27,914 --> 01:53:32,114
Speaker 6: these guys, Like, what's You're not gonna the sixth round

2473
01:53:32,154 --> 01:53:36,034
Speaker 6: pick doesn't become a trade ship, right, you can move

2474
01:53:36,114 --> 01:53:37,674
Speaker 6: up to but you're also the fifth round.

2475
01:53:37,754 --> 01:53:41,514
Speaker 5: You're also not going to trade like five different guys, right,

2476
01:53:41,834 --> 01:53:44,114
Speaker 5: Like I hear you. You're asking me about all these

2477
01:53:44,154 --> 01:53:46,674
Speaker 5: different picks, all these different trades. Yes, I would trade

2478
01:53:46,714 --> 01:53:51,634
Speaker 5: Kendrick kJ Osborne, who clearly wants to get traded. I would.

2479
01:53:51,674 --> 01:53:53,594
Speaker 5: I would grant his wish, Like what is he doing

2480
01:53:53,674 --> 01:53:53,834
Speaker 5: for you?

2481
01:53:54,234 --> 01:53:56,314
Speaker 4: Right? And is he going to be here next year? So,

2482
01:53:56,554 --> 01:53:57,114
Speaker 4: like I like.

2483
01:53:57,194 --> 01:54:01,274
Speaker 5: Personally, Mike and I talked about this yesterday a little bit. Yeah,

2484
01:54:01,554 --> 01:54:03,594
Speaker 5: I'm not in love with Day three picks. I understand

2485
01:54:03,594 --> 01:54:07,314
Speaker 5: where everyon's coming from. He's not wrong, But what is

2486
01:54:07,394 --> 01:54:10,754
Speaker 5: the biggest weakness on the team, like in totality the

2487
01:54:10,834 --> 01:54:14,434
Speaker 5: offensive line. In my opinion, if you have a bunch

2488
01:54:14,474 --> 01:54:16,234
Speaker 5: of Day three picks, you should be able to like

2489
01:54:16,474 --> 01:54:19,754
Speaker 5: take like three four offensive linemen and hopefully come out

2490
01:54:19,794 --> 01:54:23,554
Speaker 5: with two like guys that you can develop and be

2491
01:54:23,834 --> 01:54:25,794
Speaker 5: backups for you. And so all of a sudden you

2492
01:54:25,834 --> 01:54:28,234
Speaker 5: have some depth on the offensive line. Now you're gonna

2493
01:54:28,234 --> 01:54:29,914
Speaker 5: have to take your left tackle in the first round.

2494
01:54:29,954 --> 01:54:33,154
Speaker 5: I'm not saying add four sixth round picks so you

2495
01:54:33,234 --> 01:54:35,274
Speaker 5: can get Will Campbell in the sixth rounds. No, I'm

2496
01:54:35,314 --> 01:54:37,234
Speaker 5: not stupid like you need. If you're gonna get a

2497
01:54:37,314 --> 01:54:40,314
Speaker 5: left tackle, you gotta get them early. But I mean

2498
01:54:40,714 --> 01:54:44,474
Speaker 5: the micro Wentus of the world, that's where you get them. Yeah,

2499
01:54:44,914 --> 01:54:47,314
Speaker 5: and I would like try to up my chances of

2500
01:54:48,034 --> 01:54:50,074
Speaker 5: if I could take four, maybe I can get one

2501
01:54:50,194 --> 01:54:53,394
Speaker 5: or two that are established backups for me next year.

2502
01:54:53,634 --> 01:54:56,074
Speaker 6: See, like Jonathan Jones is a different story to me. O.

2503
01:54:56,274 --> 01:54:58,114
Speaker 6: I love by the way, but he's getting up there

2504
01:54:58,434 --> 01:55:01,234
Speaker 6: at the age and it were the clock's ticking there.

2505
01:55:01,914 --> 01:55:04,874
Speaker 6: It just this team's got to be in the in

2506
01:55:04,994 --> 01:55:08,754
Speaker 6: the game of accumulating talent, Like they have to get

2507
01:55:09,274 --> 01:55:12,994
Speaker 6: more good players, not less. And if you start just

2508
01:55:13,154 --> 01:55:16,874
Speaker 6: casting the guys off for sixth round picks and seventh

2509
01:55:16,954 --> 01:55:17,874
Speaker 6: round picks, it's just.

2510
01:55:17,994 --> 01:55:19,594
Speaker 5: Like, but they're gonna end up.

2511
01:55:21,394 --> 01:55:23,994
Speaker 6: I'm not Kendrick Bourne. He's under contract. They just signed him.

2512
01:55:24,114 --> 01:55:27,314
Speaker 5: Okay, we I think a lot more of Kenrick Borne

2513
01:55:27,314 --> 01:55:29,914
Speaker 5: than I do. But can I just throw out a

2514
01:55:30,034 --> 01:55:32,554
Speaker 5: couple that we talked about before Evan got here, Like

2515
01:55:32,634 --> 01:55:34,874
Speaker 5: would i'd be, you know, looking for you in terms

2516
01:55:34,914 --> 01:55:37,634
Speaker 5: of like they need to acquire some picks. We got

2517
01:55:37,634 --> 01:55:39,914
Speaker 5: an as PFW a little while ago, and I thought

2518
01:55:39,954 --> 01:55:42,554
Speaker 5: they'd brought up three guys that would make sense, young guys,

2519
01:55:42,914 --> 01:55:47,474
Speaker 5: John Metchi, Walker Little, and Traylon Burks.

2520
01:55:47,834 --> 01:55:51,394
Speaker 6: Yes, so everybody's obsessed with Walker Little. I don't know why.

2521
01:55:51,674 --> 01:55:53,754
Speaker 6: I think he's just a guy that has some upside

2522
01:55:53,834 --> 01:55:57,634
Speaker 6: that could play on the left side. He hasn't really

2523
01:55:57,714 --> 01:55:59,434
Speaker 6: done anything super impressive.

2524
01:55:59,514 --> 01:56:01,194
Speaker 5: None of those three guys have done anything in the ape.

2525
01:56:01,234 --> 01:56:03,074
Speaker 4: Yeah, we're looking for a guy with upside they can

2526
01:56:03,114 --> 01:56:03,994
Speaker 4: play on the left side.

2527
01:56:04,074 --> 01:56:06,914
Speaker 5: Yeah, but that are young, Like I'm not interested in

2528
01:56:06,994 --> 01:56:08,274
Speaker 5: Cooper Cup at age thirty two.

2529
01:56:08,474 --> 01:56:11,034
Speaker 6: Yeah, but like Walker Little, to me, is is more

2530
01:56:11,074 --> 01:56:13,474
Speaker 6: of the same of what they've had come through here

2531
01:56:13,554 --> 01:56:14,354
Speaker 6: at left tackle.

2532
01:56:14,474 --> 01:56:16,234
Speaker 4: You know. So how much would you give for him?

2533
01:56:17,234 --> 01:56:17,674
Speaker 4: Not much?

2534
01:56:18,034 --> 01:56:18,434
Speaker 5: Not much?

2535
01:56:18,514 --> 01:56:20,874
Speaker 6: And Traylon Burks is Nikhil Harry two point zero And

2536
01:56:20,914 --> 01:56:22,114
Speaker 6: we all knew that coming out.

2537
01:56:22,074 --> 01:56:26,314
Speaker 5: But it wasn't But wasn't. Wasn't Walker Little a second

2538
01:56:26,394 --> 01:56:28,594
Speaker 5: round pick? Yes? So what left tackle do they have

2539
01:56:28,714 --> 01:56:31,114
Speaker 5: that was taken that high. I've had that kind of

2540
01:56:31,874 --> 01:56:32,834
Speaker 5: out of college.

2541
01:56:32,554 --> 01:56:35,274
Speaker 6: That I'm more of what he's done in the NFL.

2542
01:56:35,714 --> 01:56:39,274
Speaker 5: He's a backup college. He's a backup. Yeah, but my

2543
01:56:39,434 --> 01:56:42,914
Speaker 5: point being, he's a young guy that was talented enough,

2544
01:56:42,994 --> 01:56:45,114
Speaker 5: like this is a Belichick. Belichick would make one of

2545
01:56:45,154 --> 01:56:49,034
Speaker 5: those moves without without question in my mind, something that

2546
01:56:49,194 --> 01:56:52,034
Speaker 5: that guy possessed allowed him to be taken where he

2547
01:56:52,234 --> 01:56:54,314
Speaker 5: was and it hasn't worked out. I'm going to get

2548
01:56:54,354 --> 01:56:57,034
Speaker 5: it for nothing. I'm not going to extend the first round.

2549
01:56:57,154 --> 01:56:59,594
Speaker 5: Like I'm not trading a second round pick for Walker Little.

2550
01:56:59,634 --> 01:57:02,434
Speaker 5: I'm trading a seventh round pick for Walker Little, like

2551
01:57:02,634 --> 01:57:06,234
Speaker 5: I'm not giving you anything of high value. But I'm

2552
01:57:06,394 --> 01:57:09,354
Speaker 5: I'm rolling the dice that I can develop him. Maybe

2553
01:57:09,474 --> 01:57:13,194
Speaker 5: I get you start striking throwing balls and strikes with

2554
01:57:13,394 --> 01:57:17,234
Speaker 5: with you know, with with Scotty, with Scotti Peters like.

2555
01:57:17,354 --> 01:57:19,154
Speaker 5: But that's what I want to give him, a young

2556
01:57:19,274 --> 01:57:22,114
Speaker 5: guy who had some talent to try to develop as

2557
01:57:22,154 --> 01:57:25,034
Speaker 5: opposed to like, No, I don't mean to be dis

2558
01:57:25,434 --> 01:57:27,874
Speaker 5: with these guys are playing. These guys are playing their

2559
01:57:28,154 --> 01:57:31,354
Speaker 5: asses off, trying to compete on the offensive line. It's

2560
01:57:31,434 --> 01:57:35,114
Speaker 5: not Zach Thomas and Trey Jacobs's fault that they're in

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01:57:35,394 --> 01:57:38,714
Speaker 5: like thrust into these prominent roles, right, But I want

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01:57:38,714 --> 01:57:41,074
Speaker 5: to give Peters a little bit more talent to work

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01:57:41,114 --> 01:57:42,274
Speaker 5: with and see if he can develop.

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01:57:42,394 --> 01:57:44,474
Speaker 4: All Right, one more call, then we're going to wrap

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Speaker 4: it up. Samson, South Carolina, what's up, Sam Who?

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01:57:48,994 --> 01:57:49,114
Speaker 7: Uh?

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01:57:49,234 --> 01:57:51,674
Speaker 17: Yeah, I'm listening to your show, and it's that the

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01:57:51,794 --> 01:57:56,194
Speaker 17: name Walker Fettle is being bandied about. He is one

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01:57:56,234 --> 01:57:58,634
Speaker 17: of the very players I think you could probably go last.

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01:58:01,194 --> 01:58:04,834
Speaker 17: He fights some right tackle. He's been very started. He's

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01:58:04,914 --> 01:58:07,674
Speaker 17: filled in for several people on the line, and he

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01:58:07,834 --> 01:58:10,914
Speaker 17: fights hard back the bill. It will be better than

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01:58:10,954 --> 01:58:13,154
Speaker 17: anybody who have a tackle right now. You can play

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01:58:13,194 --> 01:58:17,474
Speaker 17: them on the left this year right, next year, pick

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01:58:17,554 --> 01:58:21,674
Speaker 17: up Will Campbell, Allen right guard, walk for the little

2576
01:58:21,914 --> 01:58:25,514
Speaker 17: right tackle Andrews and Brown in the middle. Out in

2577
01:58:25,554 --> 01:58:29,474
Speaker 17: the free agency and get yourself a good left and

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01:58:29,674 --> 01:58:34,074
Speaker 17: play Will Campbell at the left time. You've got Love,

2579
01:58:34,314 --> 01:58:37,914
Speaker 17: You've got Bob, You've got Olive, you got Brown in

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01:58:37,994 --> 01:58:40,994
Speaker 17: the middle. That's a pretty good court. That is a

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01:58:41,194 --> 01:58:42,394
Speaker 17: much better line than.

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01:58:42,394 --> 01:58:43,474
Speaker 12: What you have right now.

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01:58:45,074 --> 01:58:47,594
Speaker 5: And the only, well only if all those things that

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01:58:47,674 --> 01:58:48,754
Speaker 5: you just said work out.

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01:58:48,954 --> 01:58:52,074
Speaker 6: Yeah, I just don't see Walker Little like other people do.

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01:58:52,314 --> 01:58:53,994
Speaker 5: And you need Will Campbell to be a left tackle

2587
01:58:54,074 --> 01:58:55,994
Speaker 5: day one. That's a big ask.

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01:58:56,154 --> 01:58:58,514
Speaker 6: Yeah, I don't know. We've had a lot of questions

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01:58:58,554 --> 01:59:01,274
Speaker 6: about Walker Little, like I feel like for weeks now

2590
01:59:01,354 --> 01:59:04,194
Speaker 6: because he's kind of available, you know maybe, and I

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01:59:04,514 --> 01:59:08,274
Speaker 6: just I just don't I don't see saying to yourself

2592
01:59:08,594 --> 01:59:14,114
Speaker 6: always we traded for Walker Little now right tackles stamped those.

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01:59:14,554 --> 01:59:16,874
Speaker 5: Now, I'd be willing to take a shot at him

2594
01:59:17,114 --> 01:59:19,234
Speaker 5: to see if I can develop him. I'm not trading

2595
01:59:19,314 --> 01:59:21,714
Speaker 5: for him, plugging him in tomorrow and saying I don't

2596
01:59:21,714 --> 01:59:23,314
Speaker 5: have to worry about that spot anymore. I have no

2597
01:59:23,394 --> 01:59:26,234
Speaker 5: idea if he can play. He has and played for Jacksonville,

2598
01:59:26,234 --> 01:59:28,954
Speaker 5: although we stepped in for Cam Robinson the other day

2599
01:59:28,994 --> 01:59:30,914
Speaker 5: and they ran right down your throat with him as

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01:59:30,954 --> 01:59:31,314
Speaker 5: part of it.

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01:59:31,434 --> 01:59:33,514
Speaker 1: I just like the Southern accent. It's just keeps an

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01:59:33,554 --> 01:59:34,314
Speaker 1: instant credibility.

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01:59:36,434 --> 01:59:37,994
Speaker 5: I believe it from an SEC program.

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01:59:40,634 --> 01:59:42,834
Speaker 6: So Walker Little is you know. Not to keep going

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01:59:42,834 --> 01:59:45,714
Speaker 6: on about Walker Little, but he's one of those guys

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01:59:45,794 --> 01:59:47,874
Speaker 6: that had a ton of upside coming out, but he

2607
01:59:47,954 --> 01:59:50,114
Speaker 6: dealt with a ton of injuries in college, and so

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01:59:50,234 --> 01:59:53,114
Speaker 6: he was one of those you know flyers that team's taken,

2609
01:59:53,194 --> 01:59:55,834
Speaker 6: that that has the first round talent, but second round

2610
01:59:55,914 --> 01:59:59,034
Speaker 6: pedigree type of player. And just like in college, it

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01:59:59,194 --> 02:00:03,114
Speaker 6: just hasn't they have had that missing ingredient just hasn't

2612
02:00:03,154 --> 02:00:04,954
Speaker 6: been there for him. So I just don't think he's

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02:00:05,434 --> 02:00:07,234
Speaker 6: you know, a solution all right problem.

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Speaker 4: The solution is that this is the end of the show.

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