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Speaker 1: formally Jason Williams Like sound Prince when when you had

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Speaker 1: texted me, you were like, j it's j Williams. And

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Speaker 1: I'm like thinking, like, because Jason Williams from from New York,

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Speaker 1: I know Jason. Then then there's yeah, I mean, how

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Speaker 1: many Jay Williams are there? Like officially there's well there's

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Speaker 1: there's eight million Jason Williams. Right. So But the crazy

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Speaker 1: But that cat has moves for days. Though I'm there

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Speaker 1: got you God, God and who we call another man? God?

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Speaker 1: That's lets you fucking know how serious his game is.

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Speaker 1: Like I still see I saw Russell Westbrook due to God,

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Speaker 1: put poor Tyler Ulis backup PG on skates. But I've

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Speaker 1: I love Jamal Crawford. I think he has one of

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Speaker 1: It's like just the competitiveness across the board, you can't

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Speaker 1: like with rohnd A Ross, I was up her ask

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Speaker 1: no pun intended because I was like, she's not the greatest.

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Speaker 1: She's fought twelve times and then the one time she

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Speaker 1: got punched in the face, she couldn't take it. So

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Speaker 1: how can we say she's the greatest. How could you

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Speaker 1: be the greatest fighter? We're talking about physical fighting. If

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Speaker 1: you've never got punched in the face, you can say

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Speaker 1: the same for Floyd. Floyd's been under dress a little

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Speaker 1: bit floyd career, but he's want a lot more. He's

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Speaker 1: won a lot more fights defensively totally. But but it

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Speaker 1: was it was fifty fights. I'm saying with her. They

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Speaker 1: never started coling Floyd the greatest ever a twelve fight,

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Speaker 1: So I'm just saying, but I just to clarify again,

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Speaker 1: I totally respect women's basketball. I played against them. Girls

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Speaker 1: are no joke. But I'm just saying, across the board

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Speaker 1: n c a A women's basketball is nowhere nearest competitive

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Speaker 1: is NA men's basketball. Agree, I would agree with you,

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Speaker 1: and there of the teams it's a lot more difficult

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Speaker 1: because you have a lot more one and dunes, and

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Speaker 1: there's this cycle of players that come in and not

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Speaker 1: and you know, transfers and all that other ships. So

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Speaker 1: I agree with you and so so so, but it's

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Speaker 1: because it's a women's sports. But also it's like if

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Speaker 1: if let's just say, let's say your guy Kaschefski, or

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Speaker 1: let's say a college men's love that you just called

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Speaker 1: him Krischewski, how do you say it's for the sake

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Speaker 1: of the show, we should call him Krischowski. Okay, that's

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Speaker 1: called Michael Karschowski. Michael, it's schek. Do you not how

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Speaker 1: to spell it k r y c r y z? Why? Yeah?

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Speaker 1: How WF if I would if I could spell kristofsk

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Speaker 1: You think I've been doing a podcast, I'd be somewhere

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Speaker 1: in Silicone Valley fucking giving you stock tips. I don't

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Speaker 1: know the fact that I asked you to spell. You

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Speaker 1: took a job at it, y And then it just

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Speaker 1: gets like it should be astric astricas stick. There's an

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Speaker 1: eye in there, a see throw another eye. It's okay,

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Speaker 1: his name kows were in a sec Okay, what was

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Speaker 1: I saying. So I was saying, like, let's say Schevski,

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Speaker 1: Let's say a men's college coach one a hundred games

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Speaker 1: in a row. Certain point, they're gonna be like the

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Speaker 1: Celtics need to fuck. You're gonna want to go to

463
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Speaker 1: another level. I don't know. I don't know. I've seen

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Speaker 1: a lot of coaches not want to go to another level.

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Speaker 1: Calipari because he's down there, who knows what the funk

466
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Speaker 1: he's getting on Kristofski. I've seen Kristofsky not want to go.

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Speaker 1: I've seen tom Izzo not want to go to Cleveland

468
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Speaker 1: to coach Lebron. You don't understand the amount of control

469
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Speaker 1: that you have when the collegiate level compared to the

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Speaker 1: pro level. Like at the collegiate level, you are your

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Speaker 1: own GM, you are your own president, that all that

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Speaker 1: overhead is covered. You don't have to worry about living expenses,

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Speaker 1: travel all this has this guy Geno. Has this guy

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Speaker 1: Geno ever coach otherwhere other than Connecticut? Okay, so like

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Speaker 1: USA Basketball for the women and they're an ask kicking team.

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Speaker 1: I'm telling you again, this is not about women. It's

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Speaker 1: just like about if there's something for me about certain

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Speaker 1: college coaches and you know this better than anybody, Okay,

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Speaker 1: And I don't want to get you because you're you're You're.

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Speaker 1: I don't want to get this is just my opinion,

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Speaker 1: my opinion. But like the Calipari's and I'm like, yeah,

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Speaker 1: this is a fucking snake oil sale, oil salesman and

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Speaker 1: the Patinos and there's the sanctions and there's not the sanctions.

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Speaker 1: And I'm Calipari. I'm just here for the kids. And

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Speaker 1: you don't give a funk about the kids. You want

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Speaker 1: them for the especially now, you want them for the

487
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Speaker 1: one year. You want your championship, You want to fucking raise,

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Speaker 1: You want your car, your autoshop car, the car sales,

489
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Speaker 1: that's the reality. Why why wouldn't you want everything? So

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Speaker 1: here's my thing as a kid, I want to be

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Speaker 1: in one and done. I want to find the quickest

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Speaker 1: way to make my money. It's not the n c

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Speaker 1: double A's rule that I have to come to school

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Speaker 1: for one year. It's the NBA's rule that I have

495
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Speaker 1: to be a certain age limit in order to get

496
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Speaker 1: to the league. So if you're cow, why wouldn't you

497
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Speaker 1: be smart? Why when did you sell it one in

498
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Speaker 1: in society? Yeah? He wants his cars. He wants to

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Speaker 1: fly around privately. He wants to be Jimmy Fallon. I'm

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Speaker 1: not gonna fall him for that. He's tarrying to help

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Speaker 1: me get to my goal as quick as possible. Too.

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Speaker 1: So everybody's trying to make money. I get because the

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Speaker 1: n C Double A is the only thing that makes

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Speaker 1: makes money. I agree with that, and I and I

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Speaker 1: and I like the Calipari has sort of given into it,

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Speaker 1: like he's a car salesman. He's a great car. He's

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Speaker 1: a car salesman. And sometimes they're used cars. I agree

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Speaker 1: with you. Sometimes it's not like that's the that's the

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Speaker 1: game that everybody's playing right now. Everybody's selling games. So

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Speaker 1: what do you what do you think of these these coaches?

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Speaker 1: Like so, I mean the culture of college basketball. I

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Speaker 1: know it's changed since you were playing. What kind of

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Speaker 1: wild ship? Were you getting offer? Was your father getting offered?

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Speaker 1: Come to this school? Come to that school? Are you

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Speaker 1: allowed to even talk about that? Yeah? I talked about

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Speaker 1: a little bit in my book. I didn't. I didn't

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Speaker 1: get offers from schools, but I got offers from runners, right,

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Speaker 1: like runners or guys who work for agents. And let's

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Speaker 1: not actively. We don't know how this game is being player,

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Speaker 1: how does it played? So runners essentially work for the agents, right,

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Speaker 1: So it's it's like you know, any kind of contractor

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Speaker 1: if you go out and if you secure a client,

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Speaker 1: then we give you a percentage of what the what

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Speaker 1: the overall agency gets. Right. So that's what a runner's

525
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Speaker 1: job is. Right. So if he were to procure me

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Speaker 1: as a client and the agent gets four percent, the

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Speaker 1: agent might promise the runner, okay, like I'll give you

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Speaker 1: point to five or that four percent, right, So that's

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Speaker 1: how he gets paid. But agents are also in bed

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Speaker 1: with coaches because coaches need to recruit players, right, So

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Speaker 1: AU coaches, right, you know Charles Brockley talking about a

532
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Speaker 1: It's real. So I didn't report on this, right. A

533
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Speaker 1: lot of players that came to these AU teams that

534
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Speaker 1: are these great players that get drafted. A lot of

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Speaker 1: them come from single parenting homes, right, I get that

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Speaker 1: where they come from, like their mom. They come from

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Speaker 1: the bottom. Yeah, exactly. I totally understand. I was lucky

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Speaker 1: enough not to come from that situation, but a lot

539
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Speaker 1: of my friends did, right, So I would see the

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Speaker 1: AU coaches become the de facto father figures for these kids.

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Speaker 1: And this is when you're in high school. All this

542
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Speaker 1: from grammar school. I played on like I was au

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Speaker 1: whore I was. I played for like eight different teams

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Speaker 1: because my mom and dad didn't want anybody say that

545
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Speaker 1: they owe me right to get money. So and au

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Speaker 1: coach the fact the fact of father figurate for these kids.

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Speaker 1: They form relationships with agents. Agents are able to give

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Speaker 1: them money. It's because they're five one C three's right, right.

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Speaker 1: So look, I was part of agency for a while.

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Speaker 1: We gave a guy named Pat Barrett Coast a hundred

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Speaker 1: thousand dollars, right, a hundred thousand dollars for the likes

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Speaker 1: to have ends to talk to Kevin Love, to have

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Speaker 1: ends to talk to all these other players that came

554
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Speaker 1: up through their system right now. A lot of times

555
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Speaker 1: the kids don't know. But a lot of times the

556
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Speaker 1: kids can know too. But if you're a kid, why

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Speaker 1: the hell would I ever say anything. I'm not gonna

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Speaker 1: say something that jeopardize my career. We might be taking money,

559
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Speaker 1: but I don't know ship, I don't know anything. That's

560
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Speaker 1: the way the game. Everybody's hustling here. So we we

561
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Speaker 1: recognize the inner workings of the business behind it. You

562
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Speaker 1: get that college coaches are in the pockets of agents

563
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Speaker 1: who have these au coaches in their back pocket. So

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Speaker 1: it's the funneling system. Man, it's a business around all

565
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Speaker 1: these athletes that the n C Double A is the

566
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Speaker 1: biggest puppeteer of them all. Who does it? Does it

567
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Speaker 1: make you sick? Can it be fixed? Um? Will it

568
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Speaker 1: ever change? Well? Well, we'll college athletes ever get fucking anything.

569
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Speaker 1: I hope. So, I hope, I hope we moved towards it.

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Speaker 1: I mean, it's not like the NBA doesn't already have

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Speaker 1: something like that in place. There's a revenue sharing platform

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Speaker 1: that they have in place. So when you start seeing

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Speaker 1: money to go around at least a little bit. Now

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Speaker 1: you look, you get into Title nine and all the

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Speaker 1: legalities of how this ship really works out. But the

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Speaker 1: end the day, you can't tell me for your biggest

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Speaker 1: grossing sports in football and basketball, you can't say, look,

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Speaker 1: we live in a capitalistic society. If you go to

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Speaker 1: a duke, you're gonna get more money than if you

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Speaker 1: go to a Lassau. You can't say, hey, we're gonna

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Speaker 1: put a certain amount of money each year and we're

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Speaker 1: gonna leave in an escrow. And if you graduate maintaining

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Speaker 1: At least allowed me to have that, then me myself

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Speaker 1: see my jersey sale, do three point five million dollars

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Speaker 1: my last year. But I can't take forty dollars from

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Speaker 1: an agent for a fucking steak after a game. But

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Speaker 1: my head coach can make a lifetime contract from millions

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Speaker 1: of dollars, and everybody else can make money around me

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Speaker 1: Play it at Play dot in when when you're when

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Speaker 1: Obviously you're older now and how old you now, so

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Speaker 1: I was aware. But here's the thing. People made you

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Speaker 1: your dues? Okay, you have to be patient. This is

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Speaker 1: a long term process. This is a marathon, not a sprint.

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Speaker 1: And who's the people that are saying that? Everybody from

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Speaker 1: I mean, and that's where a guy like cal Right

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00:29:20,560 --> 00:29:23,400
Speaker 1: or a guy like Krasovski has adjusted, right, because now

631
00:29:23,440 --> 00:29:25,719
Speaker 1: they're like, no, we want you to leave right. So

632
00:29:25,720 --> 00:29:27,520
Speaker 1: when all of a sudden, the narrative of your program

633
00:29:27,600 --> 00:29:31,200
Speaker 1: changes to we want you to go out and accomplish

634
00:29:31,240 --> 00:29:33,560
Speaker 1: your goals as quickly as possible. For a Kyrie Irving,

635
00:29:33,920 --> 00:29:36,959
Speaker 1: he played twelve or thirteen games, right, like, you need

636
00:29:37,040 --> 00:29:39,200
Speaker 1: to come back and play. But k was like, go

637
00:29:39,880 --> 00:29:42,080
Speaker 1: right where that wasn't the narrative ten years ago. It

638
00:29:42,120 --> 00:29:44,400
Speaker 1: was like you need to stay right, So you need

639
00:29:44,440 --> 00:29:46,040
Speaker 1: to learn how to be a leader or other thans.

640
00:29:46,080 --> 00:29:48,680
Speaker 1: And look, there are invaluable things that you can learn

641
00:29:48,720 --> 00:29:50,479
Speaker 1: from being in college. I'm not saying that at all.

642
00:29:51,200 --> 00:29:55,280
Speaker 1: But nothing prepares you. Nothing, Mike prepares you for being

643
00:29:55,280 --> 00:29:58,960
Speaker 1: on an NBA plane and seeing somebody lose two dollars

644
00:29:59,000 --> 00:30:01,440
Speaker 1: with the roll of a dice. Nothing. I don't care

645
00:30:01,480 --> 00:30:03,480
Speaker 1: how long you stay in school, you might be a

646
00:30:03,520 --> 00:30:06,240
Speaker 1: tabit more mature. But also, you have money in your

647
00:30:06,240 --> 00:30:09,200
Speaker 1: bank and somebody is saying, hey, here's five dollars per

648
00:30:09,280 --> 00:30:11,080
Speaker 1: day for per deem. We're in a row for two

649
00:30:11,120 --> 00:30:13,480
Speaker 1: weeks and somebody just hands you over stack some money

650
00:30:13,720 --> 00:30:16,440
Speaker 1: and that's your play money. Like, nobody can prepare you

651
00:30:16,480 --> 00:30:19,160
Speaker 1: for that. Nobody can prepare you for being out and

652
00:30:19,160 --> 00:30:21,800
Speaker 1: seeing a dope ride and actually looking at your bank account.

653
00:30:21,840 --> 00:30:23,440
Speaker 1: But like, yo, I just made two hundred eighty thousand

654
00:30:23,480 --> 00:30:26,320
Speaker 1: dollars the last two weeks for doing what shooting Jay's

655
00:30:26,320 --> 00:30:28,360
Speaker 1: in the gym? Like now you know it's keeping up

656
00:30:28,360 --> 00:30:30,200
Speaker 1: with the Jones. Is why would you not want to

657
00:30:30,400 --> 00:30:32,400
Speaker 1: buy something? You may understand it may not be the

658
00:30:32,480 --> 00:30:34,360
Speaker 1: right thing for me, but not a lot of these

659
00:30:34,440 --> 00:30:37,520
Speaker 1: kids think long term. It's instant gratification, man, right, it's

660
00:30:37,560 --> 00:30:40,040
Speaker 1: the world we live in the same way we can say,

661
00:30:40,080 --> 00:30:42,360
Speaker 1: like we're so quick to jump to conclusions with anything

662
00:30:42,400 --> 00:30:44,720
Speaker 1: these days, like you know, that was the best game

663
00:30:44,760 --> 00:30:47,320
Speaker 1: we've ever seen, Like I don't know, that was probably

664
00:30:47,320 --> 00:30:49,760
Speaker 1: maybe the best Super Bowl right I've ever seen, But

665
00:30:49,880 --> 00:30:52,720
Speaker 1: I feel like we have that conversation more than less.

666
00:30:53,160 --> 00:30:55,800
Speaker 1: It's it's the Twitter, it's the Instagram, and and and

667
00:30:55,920 --> 00:30:59,080
Speaker 1: and and things like it's an instant classic, like with

668
00:30:59,160 --> 00:31:01,880
Speaker 1: hip hop, you know, like instant classic. I'm like, my man,

669
00:31:02,520 --> 00:31:04,840
Speaker 1: if you're listening to this ship, forget listening to it

670
00:31:04,880 --> 00:31:06,640
Speaker 1: in twenty years. Let's see if you're listening to it

671
00:31:06,800 --> 00:31:09,680
Speaker 1: in twenty months, tell about your fucking instant classic. You're

672
00:31:09,680 --> 00:31:11,760
Speaker 1: not even bumping that ship in two weeks. Talk about

673
00:31:11,800 --> 00:31:14,200
Speaker 1: instant classic like a record will come out the first

674
00:31:14,280 --> 00:31:17,160
Speaker 1: day and like instant classic. Check in with me in

675
00:31:17,200 --> 00:31:19,440
Speaker 1: a fucking month. You're not even listening to that that

676
00:31:19,600 --> 00:31:22,320
Speaker 1: whack ass ship. Did you say? It's an instant classic?

677
00:31:22,520 --> 00:31:24,760
Speaker 1: You know, it's that whole sort of crossover culture, like

678
00:31:25,080 --> 00:31:27,280
Speaker 1: you know, like like everybody is so scared to be

679
00:31:28,000 --> 00:31:30,520
Speaker 1: guard people up because if you get crossed over, your

680
00:31:30,520 --> 00:31:32,520
Speaker 1: your fucking life is in shambles because it's all over

681
00:31:32,560 --> 00:31:36,000
Speaker 1: Twitter and Instagram, like everything's like, ah, he crossed him up.

682
00:31:36,040 --> 00:31:38,560
Speaker 1: He's playing d. If you're playing d you're supposed to

683
00:31:38,600 --> 00:31:41,520
Speaker 1: get cross if you're playing hard, you're supposed to want

684
00:31:41,520 --> 00:31:43,640
Speaker 1: to see it hurt when you get crossed up, right,

685
00:31:43,720 --> 00:31:45,880
Speaker 1: I want to see that you care about it instead

686
00:31:45,920 --> 00:31:48,960
Speaker 1: of us having a situation like LaMelo LaMelo ball who

687
00:31:49,000 --> 00:31:52,880
Speaker 1: drops the kids like, oh yeah, they're going crazy media

688
00:31:52,880 --> 00:31:58,239
Speaker 1: because he's dropping ninety Gonna closeline. That's the second time

689
00:31:58,240 --> 00:32:00,360
Speaker 1: I'm gonna close line. Right, I want to fight. I'm sorry.

690
00:32:00,440 --> 00:32:02,520
Speaker 1: If he was in New York City in the eighties nine,

691
00:32:02,560 --> 00:32:06,000
Speaker 1: somebody's a fight. You're not scoring that, especially with no disrespect.

692
00:32:06,080 --> 00:32:07,680
Speaker 1: I know he's a young key. He's a young kid,

693
00:32:07,720 --> 00:32:10,000
Speaker 1: so I'm being funny, but you know, you come into

694
00:32:10,000 --> 00:32:13,680
Speaker 1: a gym, you're indictment. You're in Riverside Church gougers. You

695
00:32:13,720 --> 00:32:16,680
Speaker 1: ain't scoring ninety two, especially within No Blonde Street. That's

696
00:32:16,680 --> 00:32:20,640
Speaker 1: just not happening. I know he's a kid. Nobody know what

697
00:32:20,600 --> 00:32:22,720
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. You're not scoring in New York City

698
00:32:22,720 --> 00:32:25,560
Speaker 1: basketball back in the day Tri State Area basketball, which

699
00:32:25,600 --> 00:32:27,800
Speaker 1: is down the fucking toilet. You're one of the last

700
00:32:27,880 --> 00:32:30,440
Speaker 1: of the guys. You know your your jersey. But like

701
00:32:30,520 --> 00:32:34,440
Speaker 1: New York City basketball was competitive, especially with the guards.

702
00:32:34,880 --> 00:32:39,640
Speaker 1: There's a long lord you mentioned sham God. I mean,

703
00:32:39,760 --> 00:32:41,800
Speaker 1: forget the guys that even made the Pros. There's guy's

704
00:32:41,880 --> 00:32:45,239
Speaker 1: other dudes like a nameless face. This dude, he's out.

705
00:32:45,240 --> 00:32:47,320
Speaker 1: They're still busting people's ask when it's never got a four.

706
00:32:47,960 --> 00:32:52,520
Speaker 1: The Arnold brothers, the John Arnolds and dudes manse are

707
00:32:52,960 --> 00:32:55,160
Speaker 1: used to let me ask you about instant Classic though

708
00:32:55,400 --> 00:33:00,640
Speaker 1: tribe call Quest Grammy's instant classic, Instant classic, powerful, powerful performance.

709
00:33:01,120 --> 00:33:06,720
Speaker 1: You know it. It's so hard it for me personally

710
00:33:06,800 --> 00:33:08,520
Speaker 1: to to to watch them perform. First of all, it

711
00:33:08,520 --> 00:33:12,240
Speaker 1: makes me happy, but to watch them perform post Fife

712
00:33:12,800 --> 00:33:15,120
Speaker 1: and then to hear that that hear his voice like

713
00:33:15,200 --> 00:33:18,320
Speaker 1: on that song We're the People, it bugs me out.

714
00:33:18,360 --> 00:33:19,880
Speaker 1: And then you know, with with with the with the

715
00:33:19,880 --> 00:33:21,600
Speaker 1: way they performed in the Trump you know, and the

716
00:33:21,680 --> 00:33:24,000
Speaker 1: speaking out and to see Tip and you feel the

717
00:33:24,000 --> 00:33:26,600
Speaker 1: emotion with Tip and Jolly Like and even Bust, I

718
00:33:26,600 --> 00:33:29,360
Speaker 1: mean they're all brothers. You feel the emotion. But like

719
00:33:29,360 --> 00:33:33,040
Speaker 1: when Fife comes on and and him being gone and

720
00:33:33,080 --> 00:33:36,840
Speaker 1: then finally being at the Grammys, like it's it that

721
00:33:36,960 --> 00:33:38,720
Speaker 1: was hard. That one was hard to watch, Like when

722
00:33:38,720 --> 00:33:42,440
Speaker 1: they performed the SNL Tribe, like, I was like, he's

723
00:33:42,480 --> 00:33:45,600
Speaker 1: just just bugs me out, because you know, he was

724
00:33:45,800 --> 00:33:47,320
Speaker 1: you know, he was such a part of the group.

725
00:33:47,360 --> 00:33:49,600
Speaker 1: And for for the for them to sort of get

726
00:33:50,000 --> 00:33:53,000
Speaker 1: received and or they've always been received, but for them

727
00:33:53,000 --> 00:33:55,040
Speaker 1: to sort of like, all right, we're gonna do these shows,

728
00:33:55,880 --> 00:33:58,760
Speaker 1: you know, and then without him, I'm so happy, And

729
00:33:58,760 --> 00:34:02,240
Speaker 1: then their performance was the show of the night. Even

730
00:34:02,240 --> 00:34:05,000
Speaker 1: with Beyonce, I still think that tribe, you know, we're

731
00:34:05,000 --> 00:34:07,040
Speaker 1: the ones that wanted so I think it was talking

732
00:34:07,040 --> 00:34:09,799
Speaker 1: about that was a legitimate instant class. I know. The

733
00:34:09,840 --> 00:34:13,560
Speaker 1: best part I love watching people be awkward. I think

734
00:34:13,600 --> 00:34:15,920
Speaker 1: it's fucking fascinating. I think I can find out so

735
00:34:16,000 --> 00:34:18,000
Speaker 1: much about you. If you're in a situation that you

736
00:34:18,000 --> 00:34:20,440
Speaker 1: feel uncomfortable with, how do you handle that? Do you

737
00:34:20,480 --> 00:34:23,160
Speaker 1: become reclusive? Do you become extrovertedt like, you know, what's

738
00:34:23,200 --> 00:34:26,200
Speaker 1: your mentality? And watching the fucking crowd while that ship

739
00:34:26,239 --> 00:34:29,560
Speaker 1: was happening, the masses of Caucasian people that were there, right,

740
00:34:29,719 --> 00:34:32,440
Speaker 1: it was like everybody was like people didn't know whether

741
00:34:32,480 --> 00:34:36,000
Speaker 1: to dance, whether to listen. It was such an uneasiness

742
00:34:36,440 --> 00:34:39,800
Speaker 1: that I thought it resonated, I agree, healthy uneasiness on TV,

743
00:34:40,239 --> 00:34:43,359
Speaker 1: which made this statement even more power right, because people

744
00:34:43,360 --> 00:34:45,160
Speaker 1: didn't know how to handle no. I agree, that's what

745
00:34:45,200 --> 00:34:47,359
Speaker 1: I like about it. And Tribe, you know, it's like

746
00:34:47,800 --> 00:34:50,359
Speaker 1: they they've always been political. I mean, one of the

747
00:34:50,360 --> 00:34:54,320
Speaker 1: most I think it's Smithsonian worthy, one of the most

748
00:34:54,400 --> 00:34:58,600
Speaker 1: sort of provocative smart hip hop songs. And I love

749
00:34:58,640 --> 00:35:01,120
Speaker 1: all the groups. You know, I always get tripped because

750
00:35:01,200 --> 00:35:04,359
Speaker 1: because of the dock. But you know that I'll say

751
00:35:04,400 --> 00:35:06,400
Speaker 1: it because it's the title of the song, because you

752
00:35:06,480 --> 00:35:08,600
Speaker 1: say it, you wrong. I could go to fucking prison

753
00:35:08,600 --> 00:35:12,279
Speaker 1: here political correct. But the Tribical Quest song titled Suck

754
00:35:12,320 --> 00:35:17,600
Speaker 1: a Nigga, it's it's so and what he's saying in

755
00:35:17,640 --> 00:35:20,799
Speaker 1: the message and like the flow of everything about it.

756
00:35:21,080 --> 00:35:23,759
Speaker 1: I mean, the then talk about a political song and

757
00:35:23,840 --> 00:35:26,319
Speaker 1: like a smart song. But they you know, even you

758
00:35:26,320 --> 00:35:28,520
Speaker 1: know with Fife, you know, like they were young. But

759
00:35:28,680 --> 00:35:30,759
Speaker 1: Mr Dincos, would you please be my Mayor? And then

760
00:35:30,800 --> 00:35:34,040
Speaker 1: to go from that to the Grammys the other night

761
00:35:34,760 --> 00:35:37,279
Speaker 1: the Emmy was it the Grammys? I just thought it was.

762
00:35:37,680 --> 00:35:39,279
Speaker 1: I just love them so much and I love himp

763
00:35:39,320 --> 00:35:41,200
Speaker 1: hop so much, and you know, for me watching the

764
00:35:41,239 --> 00:35:45,440
Speaker 1: Grammys and all these fucking artists. Well, we're protesting. Really

765
00:35:45,680 --> 00:35:49,359
Speaker 1: the trapical quest is performing your protests? The fuck are

766
00:35:49,400 --> 00:35:52,840
Speaker 1: you with you? Who the funk are you protesting? And attention?

767
00:35:52,840 --> 00:35:54,960
Speaker 1: You should be at the show. We're not showing up

768
00:35:54,960 --> 00:35:56,960
Speaker 1: because of this in the frank Ocean, who are You're

769
00:35:56,960 --> 00:35:59,879
Speaker 1: not fucking Teddy Pendergrass, You ain't the fucking Harold Melvin

770
00:36:00,080 --> 00:36:02,759
Speaker 1: Blue Frankos made a couple of songs that are cute

771
00:36:02,960 --> 00:36:05,719
Speaker 1: tribes performing, then you should fucking be there. None of

772
00:36:05,719 --> 00:36:08,359
Speaker 1: you guys are above tribe Cocu, Drake and Kanye, they're

773
00:36:08,400 --> 00:36:11,120
Speaker 1: not showing you know, who gives a fuck? Who gives

774
00:36:11,120 --> 00:36:13,760
Speaker 1: a funk that you're not showing up tribes they're they're performing.

775
00:36:13,760 --> 00:36:16,120
Speaker 1: You should be in the crowd, fucking cleaning the carpet

776
00:36:16,160 --> 00:36:18,919
Speaker 1: they that they walk on. You're talking about protesting trip

777
00:36:19,000 --> 00:36:20,919
Speaker 1: cool questions there? What the fund are you talking about?

778
00:36:21,520 --> 00:36:24,160
Speaker 1: Is there? You're better than Hope didn't protest? Who the

779
00:36:24,200 --> 00:36:26,719
Speaker 1: funk are you? That's the funny thing, though everybody has

780
00:36:26,719 --> 00:36:28,520
Speaker 1: their own thing, right, Like, I don't fall anybody. I

781
00:36:28,600 --> 00:36:30,200
Speaker 1: thought a lot more people should have been there. I

782
00:36:30,280 --> 00:36:32,520
Speaker 1: would have been a lot more powerful. Yet everybody there

783
00:36:32,560 --> 00:36:34,600
Speaker 1: that I was able to unite. Right, But you know

784
00:36:34,680 --> 00:36:37,640
Speaker 1: a song that I resonated with SCHOOLI d right, yes, right?

785
00:36:37,760 --> 00:36:39,799
Speaker 1: Am I black enough for you? Like you know that

786
00:36:39,960 --> 00:36:41,680
Speaker 1: song resonates for me because I feel like that's for

787
00:36:41,800 --> 00:36:44,399
Speaker 1: my whole life. It's I was curious to ask you, right,

788
00:36:44,600 --> 00:36:46,640
Speaker 1: like as a as a white dude, Like it blows

789
00:36:46,680 --> 00:36:48,680
Speaker 1: my mind. Right, So when I was back in Plainfield,

790
00:36:48,680 --> 00:36:49,839
Speaker 1: when I would be on the corner of my boys

791
00:36:49,840 --> 00:36:52,400
Speaker 1: after we play, like somebody asked me a question about

792
00:36:52,480 --> 00:36:54,400
Speaker 1: making money, and like, I've always wanted to make a

793
00:36:54,440 --> 00:36:56,080
Speaker 1: lot of money my whole life, right, I've always want

794
00:36:56,080 --> 00:36:57,799
Speaker 1: to be a CEO of my own company and to

795
00:36:57,800 --> 00:36:59,360
Speaker 1: be able to spit knowledge on how to hustle and

796
00:36:59,400 --> 00:37:01,359
Speaker 1: how to make money. Like people will call me white

797
00:37:01,400 --> 00:37:03,279
Speaker 1: for that, but they say your uncle Tom, or you're

798
00:37:03,320 --> 00:37:05,440
Speaker 1: selling or the fact that you like hip hop. Sure

799
00:37:05,440 --> 00:37:06,640
Speaker 1: people would say you, why are you trying to be

800
00:37:06,640 --> 00:37:09,800
Speaker 1: a whiggery trying to think you're black? I don't understand

801
00:37:09,840 --> 00:37:12,279
Speaker 1: what that ship means. No, I'm just sucking me right,

802
00:37:12,400 --> 00:37:14,520
Speaker 1: Like my dad's always taught me. You're like you have

803
00:37:14,560 --> 00:37:16,880
Speaker 1: to you have to understand or learn how to hustle.

804
00:37:17,160 --> 00:37:19,240
Speaker 1: You have to be a chameleion. So when you're around

805
00:37:19,239 --> 00:37:21,839
Speaker 1: corporate folks, be corporate. And why because the only person

806
00:37:22,000 --> 00:37:25,080
Speaker 1: is affecting is your bank account. Understand how to play

807
00:37:25,080 --> 00:37:27,759
Speaker 1: that game right. And I think it's smart, and I

808
00:37:27,840 --> 00:37:29,600
Speaker 1: think it's it's such a good question to bring up,

809
00:37:29,920 --> 00:37:32,960
Speaker 1: and and and and you know, for me, it's like,

810
00:37:33,000 --> 00:37:35,000
Speaker 1: I mean, my my my experience was the opposite. I

811
00:37:35,040 --> 00:37:37,239
Speaker 1: grew up on the Upper East Side of Manhattan. You know,

812
00:37:37,400 --> 00:37:39,839
Speaker 1: I just fell in love. It was weird because I

813
00:37:39,840 --> 00:37:43,839
Speaker 1: fell in love with hip hop via like right away.

814
00:37:43,880 --> 00:37:46,279
Speaker 1: My father worked at a radio station. He brought home

815
00:37:46,320 --> 00:37:48,120
Speaker 1: sugar Hill Gang record before it was on the air.

816
00:37:48,200 --> 00:37:49,920
Speaker 1: He said, this is called hip hop. He said, this

817
00:37:50,000 --> 00:37:51,640
Speaker 1: is called rap music. It's gonna be a big thing.

818
00:37:51,680 --> 00:37:53,840
Speaker 1: This is the nineteen seventy nine but on the promotional

819
00:37:53,880 --> 00:37:56,640
Speaker 1: copy of Rappers Delight. So I'm and this is when

820
00:37:56,640 --> 00:38:00,279
Speaker 1: you have records, you have ship and basketball. So up

821
00:38:00,280 --> 00:38:03,200
Speaker 1: in Manhattan falling in love with hip hop and basketball,

822
00:38:03,239 --> 00:38:05,200
Speaker 1: and then you know, I'm on the East Side of Manhattan,

823
00:38:05,200 --> 00:38:06,960
Speaker 1: it's just basketball. I'm like, They're like, you want to

824
00:38:06,960 --> 00:38:08,400
Speaker 1: be good, you need to go here, play, you need

825
00:38:08,440 --> 00:38:10,880
Speaker 1: to find other places, but the places where you play

826
00:38:11,160 --> 00:38:13,319
Speaker 1: is in the hood. And it just was organically. My

827
00:38:13,360 --> 00:38:15,719
Speaker 1: best friend want to be in from Harlem and from

828
00:38:15,760 --> 00:38:18,759
Speaker 1: Brownsville section of Brooklyn. I go in Brownsville in the

829
00:38:19,080 --> 00:38:23,320
Speaker 1: in the park. This world be free? Is there drinking beers,

830
00:38:23,360 --> 00:38:26,239
Speaker 1: playing ball? This is what really was. That's what it is.

831
00:38:26,520 --> 00:38:28,279
Speaker 1: The you know, me playing in the you know, the

832
00:38:28,360 --> 00:38:30,279
Speaker 1: Upper east Side where all my white Jewish kids. I

833
00:38:30,280 --> 00:38:31,960
Speaker 1: wind up being the best at the sixth grade. I

834
00:38:32,000 --> 00:38:34,319
Speaker 1: was done. You go somewhere else. They're like, Okay, I'm

835
00:38:34,360 --> 00:38:36,359
Speaker 1: not that fucking good. But you know, I was gonna

836
00:38:36,400 --> 00:38:38,640
Speaker 1: ask you about that because for you being a black dude,

837
00:38:38,680 --> 00:38:41,760
Speaker 1: like they'll be like, oh, Jay's corny, he's not hoodie.

838
00:38:41,760 --> 00:38:43,920
Speaker 1: You're from You're from Jersey and you and you know

839
00:38:44,160 --> 00:38:45,440
Speaker 1: you and when you get on the court and you

840
00:38:45,480 --> 00:38:47,680
Speaker 1: see dudes like you're not talking all that ship. But

841
00:38:47,719 --> 00:38:49,920
Speaker 1: when you get on the court like somebody like white Chocolate,

842
00:38:50,000 --> 00:38:52,000
Speaker 1: he's doing all this thing. Like your game was like

843
00:38:52,360 --> 00:38:55,120
Speaker 1: you bust ask but it wasn't like flashy. And and

844
00:38:55,160 --> 00:38:56,799
Speaker 1: then you go to Duke and the whole thing like

845
00:38:56,840 --> 00:38:59,200
Speaker 1: when I hate Christian Latner thing like they thought everybody

846
00:38:59,280 --> 00:39:01,960
Speaker 1: was cornball, like, so what was that like for you

847
00:39:02,160 --> 00:39:04,279
Speaker 1: in terms of being a young black dude and the

848
00:39:04,320 --> 00:39:06,719
Speaker 1: stereotypes of what you're supposed to be, Like I'm being

849
00:39:06,760 --> 00:39:10,279
Speaker 1: a young black black basketball player. The stereotypes are so

850
00:39:10,320 --> 00:39:12,359
Speaker 1: prominent to this day, and I think they're getting better

851
00:39:12,400 --> 00:39:15,839
Speaker 1: because you see guys like Lebron, you see guys like yourself.

852
00:39:15,880 --> 00:39:18,200
Speaker 1: It's not just like you know, like there were so

853
00:39:18,200 --> 00:39:20,959
Speaker 1: many dudes, you know, it's not just like the the

854
00:39:20,960 --> 00:39:24,000
Speaker 1: the the sort of scary image that people thought, you

855
00:39:24,000 --> 00:39:25,239
Speaker 1: know what I mean? Like, but but like being a

856
00:39:25,280 --> 00:39:28,520
Speaker 1: young dude going to duke, the stereotype is what, well,

857
00:39:28,840 --> 00:39:30,960
Speaker 1: it's still stereotype now. It would be amazed at some

858
00:39:30,960 --> 00:39:32,920
Speaker 1: of the things that people say to me, right, Like

859
00:39:32,960 --> 00:39:34,520
Speaker 1: even like producers like, well, we don't know if he

860
00:39:34,560 --> 00:39:37,440
Speaker 1: really appeals to the black demographic. I'm like, what the

861
00:39:37,480 --> 00:39:40,120
Speaker 1: fund does that mean? Like? How am I supposed to

862
00:39:40,160 --> 00:39:42,600
Speaker 1: appeal to the black demographic? Of all? Like, you know,

863
00:39:42,719 --> 00:39:44,279
Speaker 1: do you want to hear it? I listened to hip hop?

864
00:39:44,280 --> 00:39:46,440
Speaker 1: Do you want to hear that? With Travis Scott? Like

865
00:39:46,520 --> 00:39:48,520
Speaker 1: do you wanna understand what hip hop? I listened to?

866
00:39:48,600 --> 00:39:50,239
Speaker 1: Do you want to know my lineage with some of

867
00:39:50,239 --> 00:39:52,720
Speaker 1: the things. My dad is on the corner with this.

868
00:39:55,320 --> 00:39:57,040
Speaker 1: I gotta bring the meals just to eat. It's something

869
00:39:57,080 --> 00:39:59,600
Speaker 1: afternoon to my dad's at home with the fucking dashiki on. Okay,

870
00:39:59,680 --> 00:40:03,160
Speaker 1: talk to me about spiritual African dances, Like I understand

871
00:40:03,200 --> 00:40:05,480
Speaker 1: my culture right, but you should bring your father to

872
00:40:05,520 --> 00:40:08,319
Speaker 1: the broadcaster now and just just have him there. They're like,

873
00:40:08,360 --> 00:40:10,080
Speaker 1: who is it? This is my friend? He ain'ts being

874
00:40:10,160 --> 00:40:12,560
Speaker 1: saying sh he just the fist is raised. But it's

875
00:40:12,560 --> 00:40:14,920
Speaker 1: always been funny because basketball has been the one sport

876
00:40:14,920 --> 00:40:17,000
Speaker 1: that's allowed me to cut through, cut through the clutter,

877
00:40:17,239 --> 00:40:19,960
Speaker 1: because when you're on the course, I earned respect regardless

878
00:40:19,960 --> 00:40:21,840
Speaker 1: of what do you thought. I talked white, regardless what

879
00:40:21,840 --> 00:40:23,440
Speaker 1: do you thought, Like I was told I went to

880
00:40:23,480 --> 00:40:25,879
Speaker 1: all white school to write like the place I grew

881
00:40:25,920 --> 00:40:27,480
Speaker 1: up and was predominantly black. The school I went to

882
00:40:27,640 --> 00:40:30,000
Speaker 1: was predominantly white and Jewish. Right, my friends would call

883
00:40:30,040 --> 00:40:31,920
Speaker 1: me Sammy Davis Jr. Like I got I want to

884
00:40:31,960 --> 00:40:33,560
Speaker 1: be part of the rack back too. But if I

885
00:40:33,600 --> 00:40:35,799
Speaker 1: had swagged and like, Yo, you're really black, You're really hood.

886
00:40:36,120 --> 00:40:38,000
Speaker 1: And then when I'll come home and I would talk

887
00:40:38,040 --> 00:40:40,560
Speaker 1: to kids about business for my guys who were like

888
00:40:40,680 --> 00:40:42,279
Speaker 1: doing drugs in the street, I'm like, yo, you can

889
00:40:42,280 --> 00:40:44,440
Speaker 1: make more money on the side hustle than doing what

890
00:40:44,480 --> 00:40:45,920
Speaker 1: you're doing right now. And they're like, yo, come on,

891
00:40:46,000 --> 00:40:48,120
Speaker 1: uncle Tom, And I'm like, well, damn, Like what the

892
00:40:48,120 --> 00:40:49,839
Speaker 1: fun am my black or or my white? Now? Well

893
00:40:49,840 --> 00:40:52,320
Speaker 1: I can't just be me right, So basketball is the

894
00:40:52,360 --> 00:40:54,480
Speaker 1: one that allowed me to take my frustration out of people.

895
00:40:54,480 --> 00:40:56,239
Speaker 1: And I feel, honestly that's what TV is for me

896
00:40:56,280 --> 00:40:59,400
Speaker 1: now to like, for the longest time, I had to

897
00:40:59,440 --> 00:41:02,000
Speaker 1: conform to a bunch of norms of how people wanted

898
00:41:02,040 --> 00:41:04,279
Speaker 1: me to be. Right, you should be this, or you

899
00:41:04,280 --> 00:41:06,279
Speaker 1: don't talk with your hands or try to talk this

900
00:41:06,320 --> 00:41:08,480
Speaker 1: way and try to look that way. And now I'm like,

901
00:41:08,719 --> 00:41:12,720
Speaker 1: now TV is moving towards. First off the iPhone screen,

902
00:41:12,800 --> 00:41:15,200
Speaker 1: that's where TV is moving towards. And now like you're

903
00:41:15,239 --> 00:41:17,359
Speaker 1: my line and all my social handles like and I

904
00:41:17,400 --> 00:41:19,080
Speaker 1: love ya. I think yeah is weird and a lot

905
00:41:19,080 --> 00:41:21,440
Speaker 1: of different ways, but also respect how out of the

906
00:41:21,520 --> 00:41:24,319
Speaker 1: box he is and totally right I'm on TV talking

907
00:41:24,360 --> 00:41:26,520
Speaker 1: like it's just sucking you and me right, Like that's

908
00:41:26,520 --> 00:41:28,800
Speaker 1: how I'm gonna talk now. You may not like everything

909
00:41:28,840 --> 00:41:31,080
Speaker 1: I have to say. But you don't have to like

910
00:41:31,200 --> 00:41:33,320
Speaker 1: what I can say. You can actually have a debate

911
00:41:33,360 --> 00:41:35,560
Speaker 1: against me. I would like it because that's how I

912
00:41:35,560 --> 00:41:37,719
Speaker 1: talked to my boys. When I talk about sports, we

913
00:41:37,880 --> 00:41:41,279
Speaker 1: argue about dumb and that's what life is, right, It's

914
00:41:41,320 --> 00:41:44,480
Speaker 1: cool and especially sports. Yeah, all day long because it's subjective.

915
00:41:44,719 --> 00:41:46,680
Speaker 1: Now when when because when you're saying what you don't

916
00:41:46,719 --> 00:41:49,359
Speaker 1: like what you say, the social media of it all,

917
00:41:49,760 --> 00:41:52,239
Speaker 1: it's like, it's one thing to be a broadcaster, even

918
00:41:52,360 --> 00:41:55,160
Speaker 1: five six, how long have people a broadcasting? Okay, so

919
00:41:55,200 --> 00:41:58,160
Speaker 1: when you started, there's no Twitter. When you started, everything

920
00:41:58,200 --> 00:42:01,359
Speaker 1: you say isn't sort of realized in the moment. It's

921
00:42:01,360 --> 00:42:03,680
Speaker 1: like literally, while you're talking to Jay, doesn't know what

922
00:42:03,680 --> 00:42:05,759
Speaker 1: the fun he's talking about? Oh I like what Jay said?

923
00:42:05,840 --> 00:42:08,359
Speaker 1: The funk Jay, he's a fucking asshole. How has that

924
00:42:08,440 --> 00:42:10,160
Speaker 1: changed for you? Has it made gotten in your head

925
00:42:10,200 --> 00:42:12,200
Speaker 1: at all? Like? Are you what's your what's your twittle?

926
00:42:12,440 --> 00:42:16,120
Speaker 1: Your Twitter attitude? Behavior? Like I have to work on

927
00:42:16,160 --> 00:42:19,720
Speaker 1: my patients. I hear, okay, because first off, like that's

928
00:42:19,800 --> 00:42:22,560
Speaker 1: that's my mentality. I'm a fighter. I've had to fight

929
00:42:22,640 --> 00:42:25,239
Speaker 1: every single day of my life and it's weird. People like, Oh,

930
00:42:25,320 --> 00:42:27,040
Speaker 1: you're killing it, You're doing your thing, but it's not

931
00:42:27,200 --> 00:42:28,839
Speaker 1: enough for me, Like I want to kill it at

932
00:42:28,840 --> 00:42:31,360
Speaker 1: the all time high. So that's my that's my mentality

933
00:42:31,400 --> 00:42:34,480
Speaker 1: with everything I do. Right, So when somebody says, oh,

934
00:42:34,480 --> 00:42:36,400
Speaker 1: you don't know what you're talking about, or I've had

935
00:42:36,400 --> 00:42:38,480
Speaker 1: people say to me if they don't agree with the comment,

936
00:42:38,560 --> 00:42:40,360
Speaker 1: like oh, you probably hit your head too hard in

937
00:42:40,360 --> 00:42:43,520
Speaker 1: that tree from that motorcycle wreck, Like I automatically turn

938
00:42:43,600 --> 00:42:46,360
Speaker 1: into the asshole where I started going through your timeline

939
00:42:46,600 --> 00:42:48,360
Speaker 1: and I'm like, oh, like this guy is a fucking

940
00:42:48,360 --> 00:42:50,800
Speaker 1: picture of him with no socks on or no shoes

941
00:42:50,800 --> 00:42:52,800
Speaker 1: on at the urinal I'm like, this guy's a fucking asshole.

942
00:42:52,920 --> 00:42:54,719
Speaker 1: I want to almost take a screenshot of it and

943
00:42:54,719 --> 00:42:57,319
Speaker 1: go back at him. Sometimes I do, and sometimes I

944
00:42:57,320 --> 00:42:59,440
Speaker 1: have to stop. Don't be ashamed. But I've done it too.

945
00:42:59,440 --> 00:43:01,560
Speaker 1: I've done I have screenshot at people and be like,

946
00:43:01,600 --> 00:43:03,799
Speaker 1: what are you talking about? Like it'll be them. I've

947
00:43:03,840 --> 00:43:06,600
Speaker 1: even gotten into when people talk really when they to me,

948
00:43:06,600 --> 00:43:10,239
Speaker 1: when they step over a line of those those there's

949
00:43:10,239 --> 00:43:12,759
Speaker 1: a certain line that I'm like, I'll talk if you're seeing,

950
00:43:12,760 --> 00:43:15,359
Speaker 1: if you're popping ship and you're an anonymous faces dude

951
00:43:15,360 --> 00:43:17,440
Speaker 1: and you're popping ship and you have pictures of your

952
00:43:17,520 --> 00:43:20,200
Speaker 1: kids as your avatar, then I'm gonna talk about your

953
00:43:20,280 --> 00:43:23,480
Speaker 1: kids because you're coming in here person. No, because it's

954
00:43:23,520 --> 00:43:25,719
Speaker 1: like I'm saying, because I'm not gonna say where, I'm

955
00:43:25,760 --> 00:43:27,160
Speaker 1: looking in your eyes right now, and I'm starting to

956
00:43:27,200 --> 00:43:29,040
Speaker 1: get worried for you because I feel the fire. It's

957
00:43:29,200 --> 00:43:31,960
Speaker 1: I'm embarrassed by this, Jason, but I'm telling you I'm bad.

958
00:43:32,000 --> 00:43:33,799
Speaker 1: I'm not saying this proud of me, but I'm saying

959
00:43:33,800 --> 00:43:35,759
Speaker 1: if you're talking shit and you say it's usually some

960
00:43:35,920 --> 00:43:39,200
Speaker 1: race shit like those you think you're black, you're fucking wigger,

961
00:43:39,520 --> 00:43:41,680
Speaker 1: You're you're fucking sell out your want to be And

962
00:43:41,680 --> 00:43:45,200
Speaker 1: I'm like, your kids are in your fucking profile picture

963
00:43:45,360 --> 00:43:47,359
Speaker 1: and one of them cock eyed. So now I'm gonna

964
00:43:47,360 --> 00:43:49,839
Speaker 1: talk about I'm gonna talk about your cock eye son,

965
00:43:50,560 --> 00:43:52,840
Speaker 1: like you should instead of worrying about me on Twitter.

966
00:43:52,920 --> 00:43:54,680
Speaker 1: Instead of worried about me and like you know my

967
00:43:54,800 --> 00:43:57,000
Speaker 1: hip hop up, you should worry about getting your sons

968
00:43:57,160 --> 00:43:59,280
Speaker 1: like he's seven or eight, get that ship fixed before

969
00:43:59,280 --> 00:44:01,480
Speaker 1: he starts trying to up chicks. Because nobody's fucking with

970
00:44:01,560 --> 00:44:04,960
Speaker 1: your kid with his cock eye Like I would love

971
00:44:05,000 --> 00:44:06,840
Speaker 1: to go there, but I can't because I work for Disney.

972
00:44:06,880 --> 00:44:08,840
Speaker 1: I got you, so I also have to be somewhat

973
00:44:08,840 --> 00:44:11,040
Speaker 1: cognizant of what's But you can say, you know, you

974
00:44:11,040 --> 00:44:13,439
Speaker 1: can say, you can say it enough things and they say,

975
00:44:13,520 --> 00:44:15,279
Speaker 1: I really appreciate what you're saying. They say, like, you know,

976
00:44:15,320 --> 00:44:17,200
Speaker 1: I have a good eye doctor for your son. He

977
00:44:17,200 --> 00:44:19,239
Speaker 1: seems to be a little cock. And then and then

978
00:44:19,280 --> 00:44:20,800
Speaker 1: you could be like, no, I was being serious, like

979
00:44:20,840 --> 00:44:22,480
Speaker 1: I know a charity because you probably worked with a

980
00:44:22,480 --> 00:44:26,399
Speaker 1: lot of charges. Your son's cockah, it sounds like I'm

981
00:44:26,400 --> 00:44:29,040
Speaker 1: really They're like, oh, Jason is actually nice, like he's

982
00:44:29,040 --> 00:44:31,400
Speaker 1: worried about my son. He's fucked up, his eyes cocked.

983
00:44:31,760 --> 00:44:33,640
Speaker 1: You know the other ones like missing a finger, like

984
00:44:33,640 --> 00:44:35,680
Speaker 1: I could get that finger replaced on your your daughter

985
00:44:35,719 --> 00:44:38,280
Speaker 1: looks fucked up, and maybe you know instead of talking

986
00:44:38,440 --> 00:44:40,080
Speaker 1: about me, like you guys, go play a little three

987
00:44:40,080 --> 00:44:42,240
Speaker 1: on three because your daughter is twenty seven pounds overweight.

988
00:44:42,239 --> 00:44:44,120
Speaker 1: Don't come in my Twitter because I'm like, you're you're

989
00:44:44,160 --> 00:44:49,520
Speaker 1: coming in my ship, popping ship. I lose my mind

990
00:44:49,520 --> 00:44:52,239
Speaker 1: on how to handles up all that it's terrible, it's embarrassing,

991
00:44:52,320 --> 00:44:54,239
Speaker 1: it is, but you know that's look. I also think

992
00:44:54,280 --> 00:44:56,239
Speaker 1: it's real though, And that's why I like doing it

993
00:44:56,280 --> 00:44:59,600
Speaker 1: sometimes too, because Yeah, some ship that people say affects me.

994
00:45:00,080 --> 00:45:02,160
Speaker 1: That's why my whole thing with Lebron and Charles Barkley,

995
00:45:02,520 --> 00:45:04,480
Speaker 1: like I did this whole moment of clarity on it.

996
00:45:05,040 --> 00:45:08,160
Speaker 1: I loved it. I loved it. Like no, you know

997
00:45:08,160 --> 00:45:09,880
Speaker 1: what I like. Lebron has kept his head down for

998
00:45:09,920 --> 00:45:12,520
Speaker 1: the longest time. I do his one chips. Now we goss.

999
00:45:12,560 --> 00:45:14,719
Speaker 1: Whatever your fucking opinions are about Lebron James, Well you

1000
00:45:14,760 --> 00:45:18,120
Speaker 1: think he's the greatest ever Lebron blames of Lebron James. Wow,

1001
00:45:18,239 --> 00:45:21,000
Speaker 1: Lebron James James. What you call him blames? I know,

1002
00:45:21,080 --> 00:45:23,640
Speaker 1: I just some people call him blames. No, I call

1003
00:45:23,719 --> 00:45:25,799
Speaker 1: him blames. That's I've been blaming the last year too.

1004
00:45:25,800 --> 00:45:27,800
Speaker 1: If I want to be Golden State, I'm trying to

1005
00:45:27,840 --> 00:45:30,839
Speaker 1: fucking I understand what my current personnel roster right now

1006
00:45:31,040 --> 00:45:33,200
Speaker 1: that we're not equipped to be Golden Wait, No, stay focused.

1007
00:45:33,239 --> 00:45:34,480
Speaker 1: I want to hear you because I want to hear

1008
00:45:34,520 --> 00:45:36,080
Speaker 1: that too, But stay stay on the Charles and Lebron

1009
00:45:36,200 --> 00:45:37,439
Speaker 1: because I want to hear what you have to say.

1010
00:45:37,520 --> 00:45:40,400
Speaker 1: So I love the fact that, first off, Barkley is

1011
00:45:40,440 --> 00:45:42,799
Speaker 1: my big brother, right, Like I think he talked about

1012
00:45:42,840 --> 00:45:45,600
Speaker 1: cutting through the clutter, like he says, whatever is on

1013
00:45:45,719 --> 00:45:48,719
Speaker 1: his mind, he does not care. Was he right in

1014
00:45:48,719 --> 00:45:52,440
Speaker 1: his assessment of Lebron at times? Yes? Right? But I

1015
00:45:52,480 --> 00:45:55,879
Speaker 1: also like seeing Lebron take ship personally because now I'm

1016
00:45:55,880 --> 00:45:59,919
Speaker 1: starting to understand, like what makes Lebron lbj Like he yeah,

1017
00:46:00,120 --> 00:46:01,960
Speaker 1: he has that shipped to him and he gets piste

1018
00:46:02,000 --> 00:46:04,960
Speaker 1: off about and yeah, he might have attacked the personal

1019
00:46:05,040 --> 00:46:07,319
Speaker 1: character of Charles Barkley, but I also felt like when

1020
00:46:07,400 --> 00:46:09,719
Speaker 1: Charles Barkley called him whiny and said that he doesn't

1021
00:46:09,760 --> 00:46:11,960
Speaker 1: know how to win, like you're attacking the character of

1022
00:46:12,080 --> 00:46:14,640
Speaker 1: Lebron to in a certain way. Absolutely, So I don't

1023
00:46:14,640 --> 00:46:16,000
Speaker 1: I don't mind it. I actually want to see it

1024
00:46:16,000 --> 00:46:19,360
Speaker 1: because I like seeing Lebron James piste off. I totally agree,

1025
00:46:19,360 --> 00:46:21,560
Speaker 1: And I didn't mind it either. I don't know if

1026
00:46:21,600 --> 00:46:23,520
Speaker 1: if it was you know, like you know, like their

1027
00:46:23,520 --> 00:46:26,040
Speaker 1: bosses got involved and and and you know, obviously it's

1028
00:46:26,040 --> 00:46:28,240
Speaker 1: not like they're like fish fighting and it became personal

1029
00:46:28,280 --> 00:46:31,120
Speaker 1: personal any everything that he said about Barkley, we already knew.

1030
00:46:31,440 --> 00:46:34,560
Speaker 1: It's just hearing that Lebron say it, and and and

1031
00:46:34,600 --> 00:46:36,360
Speaker 1: I think it is good. I think it's such a

1032
00:46:36,440 --> 00:46:39,799
Speaker 1: fine line. I like, I break Lebron James Bold all

1033
00:46:39,840 --> 00:46:42,919
Speaker 1: the time for for his on the court ship. I

1034
00:46:43,000 --> 00:46:46,080
Speaker 1: totally respect him as a as a star, I totally

1035
00:46:46,080 --> 00:46:48,799
Speaker 1: respect him as a role model. So so I'll say that,

1036
00:46:49,040 --> 00:46:51,400
Speaker 1: But like I think, you know, it's gotta be a

1037
00:46:51,440 --> 00:46:53,759
Speaker 1: lot of pressure trying to be like Mike. And then

1038
00:46:53,840 --> 00:46:56,680
Speaker 1: also in this social media thing, in this you know,

1039
00:46:56,719 --> 00:46:59,440
Speaker 1: Mike wasn't you know, playing ball with T and T

1040
00:46:59,640 --> 00:47:01,560
Speaker 1: Mike was and playing ball and Twitter, we didn't hear

1041
00:47:01,600 --> 00:47:03,640
Speaker 1: from like those more of a mystery. That's that's the

1042
00:47:03,680 --> 00:47:06,680
Speaker 1: thing in the past. If you're a star now, you're

1043
00:47:06,719 --> 00:47:09,200
Speaker 1: gonna hear all, You're gonna hear me, You're gonna hear

1044
00:47:09,200 --> 00:47:12,640
Speaker 1: from You're gonna hear from Barkley, Barkley's cousin, you know everything.

1045
00:47:12,719 --> 00:47:14,879
Speaker 1: So it's it's a different kind of thing for that

1046
00:47:15,040 --> 00:47:18,520
Speaker 1: transcendent person or anybody that's in in the limelight, whether

1047
00:47:18,560 --> 00:47:20,719
Speaker 1: it's you, whether it's any NBA player. When that's an

1048
00:47:20,719 --> 00:47:23,920
Speaker 1: actor with it's a politician. The fucking President's on fucking Twitter,

1049
00:47:24,040 --> 00:47:27,040
Speaker 1: punching down constantly Kelly and con. I mean, these people

1050
00:47:27,040 --> 00:47:29,319
Speaker 1: are accessible. Obviously they don't read all of it, but

1051
00:47:29,360 --> 00:47:31,840
Speaker 1: they read some of it, just like you read your timeline,

1052
00:47:32,000 --> 00:47:36,480
Speaker 1: you know. Yeah, fuck Kelly Anka So so I mean,

1053
00:47:36,560 --> 00:47:38,359
Speaker 1: I I get it, you know. And and I say

1054
00:47:38,400 --> 00:47:40,520
Speaker 1: that because I do bust his balls. But I understand

1055
00:47:40,520 --> 00:47:43,480
Speaker 1: the scrutiny you're talking about, Like people talk to you,

1056
00:47:43,520 --> 00:47:45,719
Speaker 1: people talk to me. Imagine fucking if you read through

1057
00:47:45,760 --> 00:47:49,239
Speaker 1: all Lebron James tweets and and as as far as

1058
00:47:50,280 --> 00:47:53,600
Speaker 1: being being a college basketball doing in college basketball, such

1059
00:47:53,600 --> 00:47:56,000
Speaker 1: a ferocious in the fan basis so ferocious in terms

1060
00:47:56,040 --> 00:47:59,120
Speaker 1: of race and being like, like, do you get crazy

1061
00:47:59,239 --> 00:48:02,840
Speaker 1: shit racial ship thrown at you on on on social

1062
00:48:02,840 --> 00:48:04,680
Speaker 1: media that you're just like, I can't even believe these

1063
00:48:04,680 --> 00:48:06,959
Speaker 1: people are like living. I've never I've never gotten racial

1064
00:48:07,000 --> 00:48:09,360
Speaker 1: ship thrown at me as far as it relates to sports.

1065
00:48:09,719 --> 00:48:12,480
Speaker 1: The only time I've ever had anything racial stuff related

1066
00:48:12,520 --> 00:48:15,560
Speaker 1: to me is through relationships. Right, if you're dating somebody,

1067
00:48:15,640 --> 00:48:18,480
Speaker 1: somebody finds out who you're dating, Like there's a there's

1068
00:48:18,520 --> 00:48:20,840
Speaker 1: a weird thing too, Like as I think It stimulates

1069
00:48:20,880 --> 00:48:25,600
Speaker 1: back from from slavery to where it's like this oppressed

1070
00:48:25,719 --> 00:48:27,960
Speaker 1: culture that we have. Like look like as as a

1071
00:48:27,960 --> 00:48:30,960
Speaker 1: black man, I wasn't afforded the same educational opportunities that

1072
00:48:31,040 --> 00:48:33,239
Speaker 1: a lot of white people were, right from back in

1073
00:48:33,239 --> 00:48:36,000
Speaker 1: the days, you know, a hundred plus years being slaves.

1074
00:48:36,400 --> 00:48:40,200
Speaker 1: You know you're suppressed, right, and like I get it,

1075
00:48:40,280 --> 00:48:43,440
Speaker 1: how there's anger sometimes that stipulates, like even from like

1076
00:48:43,600 --> 00:48:46,439
Speaker 1: being a field slave compared to being a house slave. Right,

1077
00:48:46,560 --> 00:48:50,759
Speaker 1: there's animosity held towards light skin black people for a

1078
00:48:50,800 --> 00:48:53,960
Speaker 1: long time, right because they were considered privileged. Write the

1079
00:48:54,040 --> 00:48:57,640
Speaker 1: same way or if a slave master was to sleep

1080
00:48:57,680 --> 00:48:59,920
Speaker 1: with a field slave and they had um a lot

1081
00:49:00,000 --> 00:49:02,800
Speaker 1: of child and that's why there's animosity towards mulatto's for

1082
00:49:02,800 --> 00:49:05,240
Speaker 1: a long time, because they were considered to be privileged

1083
00:49:05,280 --> 00:49:06,920
Speaker 1: or they were gonna be well taken care of or

1084
00:49:07,000 --> 00:49:10,040
Speaker 1: be in the house. So like, I find that stimulates

1085
00:49:10,120 --> 00:49:13,399
Speaker 1: more from that when I date, like I should as

1086
00:49:13,440 --> 00:49:14,960
Speaker 1: a black man, like I grew up in Jersey, I

1087
00:49:14,960 --> 00:49:16,919
Speaker 1: grew up in a melting pot man. Like I never

1088
00:49:17,000 --> 00:49:19,600
Speaker 1: once was like, hey, I have to date a white

1089
00:49:19,600 --> 00:49:21,279
Speaker 1: woman or I have to date an Asian one, or

1090
00:49:21,360 --> 00:49:23,040
Speaker 1: I have to date a black woman. My mom is

1091
00:49:23,040 --> 00:49:25,200
Speaker 1: always like, no, you're gonna date somebody who's smart, Like

1092
00:49:25,239 --> 00:49:27,000
Speaker 1: I don't care what color they are, Like I dated

1093
00:49:27,000 --> 00:49:29,759
Speaker 1: everybody that's married at me. But there's animosity, is some

1094
00:49:29,880 --> 00:49:34,120
Speaker 1: tensions sometimes when you're not dating somebody who's your race,

1095
00:49:34,600 --> 00:49:36,560
Speaker 1: And that still blows my mind that we live in

1096
00:49:36,600 --> 00:49:38,480
Speaker 1: the world that exists like that. That's the only time

1097
00:49:38,520 --> 00:49:42,239
Speaker 1: I feel heat on social about race when they come

1098
00:49:42,280 --> 00:49:45,160
Speaker 1: at you or anything political. Like if I happen to

1099
00:49:45,200 --> 00:49:51,480
Speaker 1: say I'm independent snowflake, a snowflake, I'm like, Jesus fucking

1100
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Speaker 1: crist I don't know where that term came from. You Like,

1101
00:49:54,120 --> 00:49:56,560
Speaker 1: there's snowflake, I'm like, I'm a snowflake. What what the

1102
00:49:56,640 --> 00:49:58,759
Speaker 1: what the fuck is that? What the funk are you

1103
00:49:58,800 --> 00:50:00,560
Speaker 1: talking about? Like, I don't know where that term was

1104
00:50:01,000 --> 00:50:04,600
Speaker 1: derived from, but it's some bullshit. I've always thought about snowflakes,

1105
00:50:04,600 --> 00:50:06,680
Speaker 1: like snowflakes back where I came from. That's always like

1106
00:50:06,719 --> 00:50:09,440
Speaker 1: when you were talking about a white girl, Yeah, That's

1107
00:50:09,480 --> 00:50:11,160
Speaker 1: what I'm talking about. Like my boy's like, oh yeah,

1108
00:50:11,160 --> 00:50:14,840
Speaker 1: I messed with these snowflakes, and like any the c

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Speaker 1: iron Report Stereo podcast will be right back. Welcome to play,

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Speaker 1: a new podcast network featuring radio and TV personalities talking business, sports, tech, entertainment,

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Speaker 1: and more. Play it at play dot It. I gotta

1112
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Speaker 1: ask you the the, the, the the the, the Charles

1113
00:50:40,400 --> 00:50:43,279
Speaker 1: Oakley of it all. You've been around the game so much,

1114
00:50:44,040 --> 00:50:47,880
Speaker 1: You're you're you're a Jersey guy. What the fuck? What

1115
00:50:47,920 --> 00:50:49,759
Speaker 1: do you think of the Nicks? Are you? Like, you know,

1116
00:50:49,800 --> 00:50:53,359
Speaker 1: obviously you love basketball, you love pro basketball? Like, would

1117
00:50:53,360 --> 00:50:55,200
Speaker 1: you say, like, who did you grow up being a

1118
00:50:55,200 --> 00:50:59,400
Speaker 1: fan of Detroit Pistons? Okay? I was look, I was,

1119
00:50:59,440 --> 00:51:01,680
Speaker 1: I was short, I was a zig fan. I loved

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Speaker 1: Isaiah like I never aspired to be Michael Jordan. I

1121
00:51:04,280 --> 00:51:07,080
Speaker 1: was gonna be six six with vertical like. I had

1122
00:51:07,120 --> 00:51:09,080
Speaker 1: to find a person that was actually relatable to me,

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00:51:09,440 --> 00:51:11,640
Speaker 1: and that was Isaiah Thomas's gonna be quick and fast

1124
00:51:11,680 --> 00:51:14,960
Speaker 1: and had to learn how to shoot. Okay, so, Detroit Pistons. Well,

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Speaker 1: since you brought up that Isaiah Thomas, how impressed are

1126
00:51:17,440 --> 00:51:21,080
Speaker 1: you with Isaiah Thomas current? Isaia bucks me up that

1127
00:51:21,120 --> 00:51:23,360
Speaker 1: when people talk about Isaiah Thomas, they talk about the

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00:51:23,360 --> 00:51:26,880
Speaker 1: Boston Celtics. Isaiah Times isn't it crazy, Like it doesn't

1129
00:51:26,880 --> 00:51:30,240
Speaker 1: even register in people's minds that one of the greatest

1130
00:51:30,239 --> 00:51:33,000
Speaker 1: pgs to ever play the game, who played for Detroit,

1131
00:51:33,200 --> 00:51:36,200
Speaker 1: who's a perennial All Star Hall of Famer, is the

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00:51:36,239 --> 00:51:39,319
Speaker 1: Isaiah Thomas. Not to knock anything that I T is

1133
00:51:39,320 --> 00:51:44,239
Speaker 1: doing for Boston because he's killing it. But like he's not. No,

1134
00:51:44,280 --> 00:51:46,880
Speaker 1: he's not Zeke. No no no, no, no no. So

1135
00:51:46,920 --> 00:51:49,480
Speaker 1: we should put that in perspective, right, he's killing it.

1136
00:51:50,239 --> 00:51:52,160
Speaker 1: No no, no, no, no no no no, he's not. I mean,

1137
00:51:52,239 --> 00:51:55,359
Speaker 1: and and I totally agree because if you grew up

1138
00:51:55,400 --> 00:51:59,719
Speaker 1: watching Isaiah Tom Zeke, you know, like he was and

1139
00:51:59,760 --> 00:52:02,680
Speaker 1: he fucking short too. Yeah man, he's like six one yeah,

1140
00:52:02,719 --> 00:52:04,719
Speaker 1: and he was he was on I mean, talk about

1141
00:52:04,719 --> 00:52:08,760
Speaker 1: a killer. See that's that's that that inner crazy competitiveness.

1142
00:52:08,880 --> 00:52:11,640
Speaker 1: You have to be crazy, don't anything you have to be.

1143
00:52:11,640 --> 00:52:13,560
Speaker 1: But don't you think a fucking little I mean, you're

1144
00:52:13,600 --> 00:52:17,439
Speaker 1: not that big. But like these guys like Isaiah Thomas, now,

1145
00:52:17,920 --> 00:52:21,239
Speaker 1: guys like uh spud Web, I think Muggsy Bogus should

1146
00:52:21,239 --> 00:52:24,440
Speaker 1: be evaluated for mental mental mental like he should be.

1147
00:52:24,600 --> 00:52:26,680
Speaker 1: You know, they have these you know, think big these

1148
00:52:26,719 --> 00:52:29,480
Speaker 1: Apple will be like they'll have like Einstein, they'll have

1149
00:52:29,640 --> 00:52:31,920
Speaker 1: this person Muggsy Bows should be there because if you're

1150
00:52:32,000 --> 00:52:35,800
Speaker 1: five three and you even consider playing in the NBA,

1151
00:52:36,360 --> 00:52:38,120
Speaker 1: I want to put you in Bellevue and get you.

1152
00:52:38,120 --> 00:52:41,400
Speaker 1: You should be like, look that, because that's so fucking nuts.

1153
00:52:41,440 --> 00:52:44,880
Speaker 1: Like glenn Um, Nate Robinson, you're gonna win the dunk contest.

1154
00:52:44,920 --> 00:52:48,719
Speaker 1: You're five fucking seven, You're you're nuts, and those guys

1155
00:52:48,719 --> 00:52:51,080
Speaker 1: are usually the toughest talk about. I mean like I

1156
00:52:51,120 --> 00:52:53,680
Speaker 1: wouldn't want to fight Muggsy Bogues. I wouldn't want to

1157
00:52:53,680 --> 00:52:56,279
Speaker 1: fight Nate Robins because you're they're like Alan Iverson these

1158
00:52:56,280 --> 00:52:58,880
Speaker 1: little fucking guys. You're psychotic. You you believe you can

1159
00:52:58,920 --> 00:53:01,359
Speaker 1: do anything. You're easy. You're not seeing the world away

1160
00:53:01,400 --> 00:53:04,120
Speaker 1: other people. You're five three, you're sput web, your five

1161
00:53:04,200 --> 00:53:06,439
Speaker 1: seven and you're playing in the NBA and you're five

1162
00:53:06,440 --> 00:53:09,399
Speaker 1: seven and your way about a hundred forty spub web

1163
00:53:09,600 --> 00:53:12,879
Speaker 1: hundred fifty pounds and you're winning dunk contest. You're fucking

1164
00:53:12,960 --> 00:53:16,240
Speaker 1: nut job. But that's what blows my mind about regular society,

1165
00:53:16,320 --> 00:53:19,560
Speaker 1: right like football, basketball, whatever the sport, maybe like you

1166
00:53:19,600 --> 00:53:21,320
Speaker 1: always have to be like you have to be crazy

1167
00:53:21,360 --> 00:53:24,000
Speaker 1: to get hit every single down nuts, you have to

1168
00:53:24,000 --> 00:53:27,640
Speaker 1: be and enjoy it, and some dudes love it like

1169
00:53:27,719 --> 00:53:29,600
Speaker 1: that's kind of some funk up weird should that cave

1170
00:53:29,640 --> 00:53:31,600
Speaker 1: and tap into? Like I don't like to be hit

1171
00:53:31,760 --> 00:53:33,920
Speaker 1: Like you hit me once as a fucking foul. Remember

1172
00:53:33,920 --> 00:53:35,520
Speaker 1: four or more times hit me like that and you're

1173
00:53:35,520 --> 00:53:37,680
Speaker 1: asking foul out of the game. But somebody's like, yeah,

1174
00:53:37,840 --> 00:53:39,760
Speaker 1: hit me harder, run through me, like you're Ryan Clarks,

1175
00:53:39,800 --> 00:53:41,600
Speaker 1: one of my boys used to play for Pittsburgh and

1176
00:53:41,640 --> 00:53:43,439
Speaker 1: he would show me clips He's like where he would

1177
00:53:43,560 --> 00:53:45,560
Speaker 1: try to he would try to knock people out with

1178
00:53:45,600 --> 00:53:47,319
Speaker 1: a hit. He's like, now I'm trying to put people

1179
00:53:47,320 --> 00:53:50,120
Speaker 1: to sleep every single time, Like, yeah, I want you

1180
00:53:50,160 --> 00:53:52,920
Speaker 1: to suffer a concussion. But that's how I'm built. I'm like,

1181
00:53:53,080 --> 00:53:56,480
Speaker 1: damn dude, Okay. Like so in order to achieve anything

1182
00:53:56,680 --> 00:53:58,440
Speaker 1: at a high manner, you have to be great, but

1183
00:53:58,480 --> 00:54:01,280
Speaker 1: people expect that greatness to turn off when she stepped

1184
00:54:01,280 --> 00:54:04,759
Speaker 1: off the court, Like Oakley, don't be psychotic because now

1185
00:54:04,760 --> 00:54:07,600
Speaker 1: you're not playing. That's always been who Oakley fucking is, right,

1186
00:54:07,640 --> 00:54:09,720
Speaker 1: Why elt you think that Knicks brought out seven fucking

1187
00:54:09,800 --> 00:54:13,720
Speaker 1: dudes to try to calm him down, that that whole situation. Okay,

1188
00:54:14,200 --> 00:54:15,759
Speaker 1: I'll learn write an article about this because it really

1189
00:54:15,760 --> 00:54:18,359
Speaker 1: pisses me off. All right, I've heard your rant too,

1190
00:54:18,760 --> 00:54:22,520
Speaker 1: and you're right on point. You know how you ruin franchises,

1191
00:54:22,719 --> 00:54:26,319
Speaker 1: how you let them be ran by petulant children, just

1192
00:54:26,360 --> 00:54:28,759
Speaker 1: saying the same thing about fucking you, Magice. Johnson wants

1193
00:54:28,760 --> 00:54:31,040
Speaker 1: to take over the lakes here by by here, leave it,

1194
00:54:31,120 --> 00:54:34,239
Speaker 1: leave it by. You don't know anything, busts. I don't go.

1195
00:54:34,520 --> 00:54:36,200
Speaker 1: How long you've been around the game, I've never seen

1196
00:54:36,239 --> 00:54:39,000
Speaker 1: you make a fucking layup. Magic Johnson wants wants to

1197
00:54:39,040 --> 00:54:42,080
Speaker 1: run the franchise. You go, okay, it's not like just

1198
00:54:42,160 --> 00:54:45,080
Speaker 1: fucking Joe in a question. Come back to Johnson. Gonna

1199
00:54:45,080 --> 00:54:48,080
Speaker 1: remove myself Await from this situation like any other series,

1200
00:54:49,120 --> 00:54:52,080
Speaker 1: exactly like an owner would do, and actually allows somebody

1201
00:54:52,080 --> 00:54:54,319
Speaker 1: if as long as he promises to dedicate his time

1202
00:54:54,680 --> 00:54:57,000
Speaker 1: to make those decisions, that I'm not fucking able to

1203
00:54:57,000 --> 00:55:00,319
Speaker 1: make Magics a fucking winnerre he not doing for the

1204
00:55:00,360 --> 00:55:01,839
Speaker 1: Monday he was at the U c l A game

1205
00:55:01,960 --> 00:55:07,000
Speaker 1: studying Alonzo ball, watching him, So so go ahead about

1206
00:55:07,440 --> 00:55:10,799
Speaker 1: the Knicks, the owner. It's like first off, and he's

1207
00:55:10,840 --> 00:55:13,279
Speaker 1: my boy, and I think he'll attest this like one

1208
00:55:13,320 --> 00:55:15,279
Speaker 1: of the first decisions that Nick's maid. That where I

1209
00:55:15,360 --> 00:55:17,160
Speaker 1: caught my attention when I was like, what are we

1210
00:55:17,239 --> 00:55:19,200
Speaker 1: doing as a Knicks fan, Like, what are we kind

1211
00:55:19,200 --> 00:55:22,000
Speaker 1: of doing? We gave Alan Houston a hundred million dollars.

1212
00:55:22,480 --> 00:55:24,120
Speaker 1: I know it's going back and I love Alan, but

1213
00:55:24,160 --> 00:55:27,399
Speaker 1: they only now we're still cleaning that mess. There's only

1214
00:55:27,400 --> 00:55:30,560
Speaker 1: three to four teams that can offer at that time

1215
00:55:30,640 --> 00:55:34,200
Speaker 1: over sixty million, and Alan's team, I don't will even

1216
00:55:34,239 --> 00:55:36,239
Speaker 1: tell you his team didn't think they were going to

1217
00:55:36,280 --> 00:55:38,480
Speaker 1: get anything over sixty million, and the next gave him

1218
00:55:38,480 --> 00:55:41,960
Speaker 1: a hundred million dollars. I mean, so then for James

1219
00:55:41,960 --> 00:55:46,880
Speaker 1: Dolan to finally finally remove himself from head of basketball operations,

1220
00:55:46,960 --> 00:55:48,720
Speaker 1: the mess was met. It was like when when Obama

1221
00:55:48,800 --> 00:55:51,560
Speaker 1: came in, the mess was the message already there? And

1222
00:55:51,600 --> 00:55:53,560
Speaker 1: then you bring in Phil And first off, as soon

1223
00:55:53,600 --> 00:55:55,719
Speaker 1: as Phil said he wants to run a triangle, like

1224
00:55:55,960 --> 00:55:58,360
Speaker 1: almost I was on air, almost threw my mic to

1225
00:55:58,440 --> 00:56:00,480
Speaker 1: the ground because I played in the trying. I'm like, oh,

1226
00:56:00,480 --> 00:56:01,799
Speaker 1: you have to be fuck kidding me. You're gonna try

1227
00:56:01,800 --> 00:56:04,080
Speaker 1: to run a triangle. We can't show it, but in

1228
00:56:04,080 --> 00:56:06,520
Speaker 1: in in the nutshell like as as much as you

1229
00:56:06,520 --> 00:56:08,480
Speaker 1: could articulate it in basic terms, and you have to

1230
00:56:08,520 --> 00:56:11,760
Speaker 1: go into a long thing. What is the triangle for?

1231
00:56:11,760 --> 00:56:13,880
Speaker 1: For podcast world? Like? What is it like? So you

1232
00:56:13,880 --> 00:56:17,320
Speaker 1: could articulately without seeing it. It's an offense that's conducive

1233
00:56:17,400 --> 00:56:20,640
Speaker 1: to passing the ball. It gets people involved, but it

1234
00:56:20,680 --> 00:56:24,319
Speaker 1: makes your team extremely robotic until you've had all the

1235
00:56:24,400 --> 00:56:30,160
Speaker 1: cuts understood, thoroughly understood. So the triangle is for every pass,

1236
00:56:30,520 --> 00:56:32,839
Speaker 1: there's a different cut that I have to make. So

1237
00:56:33,040 --> 00:56:34,960
Speaker 1: if I you know, there's locations obviously, So if I

1238
00:56:34,960 --> 00:56:37,239
Speaker 1: passed the ball to the wing, there's a series of

1239
00:56:37,280 --> 00:56:40,160
Speaker 1: cuts that lead after that pass, depending upon where that

1240
00:56:40,239 --> 00:56:42,880
Speaker 1: next person passes the ball. So he can pass it

1241
00:56:42,920 --> 00:56:45,000
Speaker 1: to the pinch post, which is the elbow, he can

1242
00:56:45,000 --> 00:56:46,880
Speaker 1: pass the ball to the top of the key or

1243
00:56:46,920 --> 00:56:49,400
Speaker 1: the ski. So for each of those three different passes,

1244
00:56:49,600 --> 00:56:51,360
Speaker 1: there's a different cut that I'm so to make. So

1245
00:56:51,440 --> 00:56:52,799
Speaker 1: think about by the time I bring the ball up

1246
00:56:52,840 --> 00:56:57,080
Speaker 1: the court, where are we at if you rush right,

1247
00:56:57,080 --> 00:56:58,880
Speaker 1: if you're not being pressured by time I make the

1248
00:56:58,880 --> 00:57:00,840
Speaker 1: first pass and I cut to the corner, if I

1249
00:57:00,840 --> 00:57:03,799
Speaker 1: passed the ball to the wing where it's seventeen. So

1250
00:57:04,520 --> 00:57:06,560
Speaker 1: it's one of those offenses where you're like, you're thinking

1251
00:57:06,600 --> 00:57:08,320
Speaker 1: the whole sock, like where then am I supposed to

1252
00:57:08,360 --> 00:57:11,560
Speaker 1: be next? Instead of just playing, instead of just reacting

1253
00:57:12,000 --> 00:57:14,279
Speaker 1: and playing like and by the way, you don't see

1254
00:57:14,320 --> 00:57:17,600
Speaker 1: teams with great point guards played the triangle because it

1255
00:57:17,600 --> 00:57:19,640
Speaker 1: takes the ball out of their hands, right. You see

1256
00:57:19,680 --> 00:57:23,280
Speaker 1: teams with like a Michael Jordan's or Kobe Bryant or

1257
00:57:23,360 --> 00:57:26,680
Speaker 1: Shaquille O'Neal, Like it's built for a great wing or

1258
00:57:26,760 --> 00:57:29,440
Speaker 1: a great low post player. I got you, so maybe mellow,

1259
00:57:29,480 --> 00:57:31,920
Speaker 1: but you don't. You don't have a great post player.

1260
00:57:32,000 --> 00:57:33,840
Speaker 1: I got you. You have, Derek, Why are you making

1261
00:57:33,880 --> 00:57:35,960
Speaker 1: Derrick Rose try to learn how to play the triangle?

1262
00:57:39,000 --> 00:57:42,040
Speaker 1: Play faster like playing up tempo like press? If you

1263
00:57:42,120 --> 00:57:46,360
Speaker 1: if you were in Nick's GM, and and and you

1264
00:57:46,360 --> 00:57:49,680
Speaker 1: know and and what would you do based on everything

1265
00:57:49,720 --> 00:57:52,560
Speaker 1: you know about pro basketball? How much you understand about

1266
00:57:52,600 --> 00:57:55,400
Speaker 1: college basketball? Where they are? Now? We have a draft pick,

1267
00:57:55,560 --> 00:57:58,840
Speaker 1: You're you're running the Knicks. Phil You're gone, He's back.

1268
00:57:59,160 --> 00:58:01,240
Speaker 1: You go to my tan uh, you come to l A,

1269
00:58:01,560 --> 00:58:04,320
Speaker 1: you get on your payote you're done, Jason's running the

1270
00:58:04,400 --> 00:58:07,479
Speaker 1: next what would you do to reload? I'm gonna go young.

1271
00:58:07,880 --> 00:58:09,880
Speaker 1: I'm gonna I'm gonna go young, the same way the

1272
00:58:09,960 --> 00:58:12,920
Speaker 1: Celtics went young. I'm gonna acquire assets the same way

1273
00:58:12,920 --> 00:58:15,080
Speaker 1: Philly for a long time today, even though Sam Hanky

1274
00:58:15,320 --> 00:58:18,320
Speaker 1: people hate on him. You acquire assets, you start building

1275
00:58:18,400 --> 00:58:20,320
Speaker 1: up trade value, and then once you get the right

1276
00:58:20,360 --> 00:58:21,800
Speaker 1: kind of assets, if you want to trade for the

1277
00:58:21,880 --> 00:58:24,080
Speaker 1: right pieces, and then you start building out that way.

1278
00:58:24,120 --> 00:58:26,880
Speaker 1: But you can't be in this this uh you know

1279
00:58:26,960 --> 00:58:29,120
Speaker 1: this platform right now where you don't know whether you

1280
00:58:29,120 --> 00:58:30,440
Speaker 1: want to go young or you want to go over

1281
00:58:30,600 --> 00:58:32,840
Speaker 1: where you're like what are we doing? Like why would

1282
00:58:32,840 --> 00:58:34,400
Speaker 1: you bring on Joe cam Noo? I think four years,

1283
00:58:34,400 --> 00:58:37,560
Speaker 1: seventy plus million dollars when he's coming off injuries, Like

1284
00:58:37,800 --> 00:58:40,200
Speaker 1: what what are you trying to build? Like you're you're

1285
00:58:40,240 --> 00:58:42,800
Speaker 1: not going to be able to compete with Cleveland right now.

1286
00:58:42,960 --> 00:58:44,560
Speaker 1: It's a second year in a row that they started

1287
00:58:44,600 --> 00:58:46,960
Speaker 1: off strong and then just flatline, Like think about what

1288
00:58:47,000 --> 00:58:50,160
Speaker 1: this fucking year? And like I loved Rose, d Rose

1289
00:58:50,200 --> 00:58:53,120
Speaker 1: goes a wall. He goes a wall, doesn't show up

1290
00:58:53,160 --> 00:58:55,920
Speaker 1: to a game or to a practice, like Phil Jackson

1291
00:58:56,080 --> 00:59:00,240
Speaker 1: is subliminately tweeting about your Star Fighting player, like what

1292
00:59:00,280 --> 00:59:02,960
Speaker 1: the fund is happening? James Dolan is kicking out all

1293
00:59:03,040 --> 00:59:06,439
Speaker 1: time legends like at a game and then the next

1294
00:59:06,440 --> 00:59:08,840
Speaker 1: game is sitting next to two other black all time

1295
00:59:08,960 --> 00:59:15,000
Speaker 1: legends like how it was looking crazy too, my dude.

1296
00:59:15,040 --> 00:59:17,320
Speaker 1: But it's like, Dolan, come on, you you think that

1297
00:59:17,440 --> 00:59:21,440
Speaker 1: you're fooling anybody, Come on, You're not fooling anybody. We

1298
00:59:21,600 --> 00:59:23,480
Speaker 1: and then and they're like, in two thousand and seventeen

1299
00:59:23,480 --> 00:59:25,320
Speaker 1: has been a ship year for bands. Stop saying the

1300
00:59:25,320 --> 00:59:27,720
Speaker 1: word band because it didn't work for Trump, and it

1301
00:59:27,760 --> 00:59:31,800
Speaker 1: didn't work for God. They should be banning bands the

1302
00:59:31,800 --> 00:59:34,800
Speaker 1: whole year. Anybody who's saying band should be banned from something, Well,

1303
00:59:34,840 --> 00:59:37,120
Speaker 1: even if he did get kicked out, don't fucking throw

1304
00:59:37,160 --> 00:59:40,360
Speaker 1: your legend under the bus in the media. And then

1305
00:59:40,240 --> 00:59:43,840
Speaker 1: the whole thing is them and and now that they

1306
00:59:44,320 --> 00:59:46,320
Speaker 1: took the band off, and you know, some people like,

1307
00:59:46,320 --> 00:59:48,200
Speaker 1: well Oakland needs to chill, was like, no, you know what,

1308
00:59:48,240 --> 00:59:50,360
Speaker 1: I'm walking around New York and every single fun like

1309
00:59:50,400 --> 00:59:52,720
Speaker 1: it's like I understand world. First of all, you know,

1310
00:59:52,800 --> 00:59:54,920
Speaker 1: people like, well he sounds crazy, OK, he has never

1311
00:59:54,920 --> 00:59:57,120
Speaker 1: been a talker, always been an asking. It's always sounds

1312
00:59:57,120 --> 01:00:01,400
Speaker 1: crazy's Virginia ship. So like, don't like people like being

1313
01:00:01,440 --> 01:00:04,160
Speaker 1: derogatory about him. The sound he's not on that he's

1314
01:00:04,200 --> 01:00:06,960
Speaker 1: from He's from the South, and you never heard him

1315
01:00:06,960 --> 01:00:09,880
Speaker 1: talk that much his whole tenure in the NBA until

1316
01:00:09,880 --> 01:00:12,960
Speaker 1: these last few did this last week because he's been

1317
01:00:13,000 --> 01:00:15,720
Speaker 1: you know, on blast, and now it's like it's it's

1318
01:00:15,760 --> 01:00:18,760
Speaker 1: literally when I was thinking of it, watching Charles get

1319
01:00:18,800 --> 01:00:21,640
Speaker 1: thrown out of the garden the way he did, and like,

1320
01:00:22,040 --> 01:00:23,800
Speaker 1: you know, those guys jumping on him and him going

1321
01:00:23,840 --> 01:00:27,920
Speaker 1: to the ground, and the the irony of it, it

1322
01:00:28,040 --> 01:00:32,280
Speaker 1: was of Shakespearean proportions because it wasn't just an old Nick.

1323
01:00:32,640 --> 01:00:36,120
Speaker 1: It wasn't it was it was Oakley, who represents the Knicks,

1324
01:00:36,360 --> 01:00:38,920
Speaker 1: the life, the life in the Knicks organization, like he

1325
01:00:39,000 --> 01:00:41,880
Speaker 1: was the energy of the MSG. Like every time I

1326
01:00:41,920 --> 01:00:44,800
Speaker 1: watched oak play man like, I felt like there was

1327
01:00:44,840 --> 01:00:47,400
Speaker 1: nothing that team could not achieve because oak was gonna

1328
01:00:47,400 --> 01:00:49,320
Speaker 1: be the first one to dive on the floor. He

1329
01:00:49,320 --> 01:00:51,439
Speaker 1: would be the first one to back up Patrick Young

1330
01:00:51,520 --> 01:00:53,600
Speaker 1: or fight somebody. And it was in New York. He's

1331
01:00:53,640 --> 01:00:55,440
Speaker 1: in New York. It felt like he was one of us.

1332
01:00:55,480 --> 01:00:58,440
Speaker 1: And we're not talking about Soho and gentrified Manhattan and

1333
01:00:58,520 --> 01:01:01,520
Speaker 1: hipster Brooklyn. We're talking about the working class people. And

1334
01:01:01,520 --> 01:01:03,400
Speaker 1: and to see him get dragged and to go down

1335
01:01:03,520 --> 01:01:06,000
Speaker 1: like that, and and it to happen on National TV

1336
01:01:06,440 --> 01:01:09,000
Speaker 1: and then the whole thing and now you got Jordan's involved.

1337
01:01:09,120 --> 01:01:11,280
Speaker 1: And I love that magic because like some people like,

1338
01:01:11,320 --> 01:01:12,960
Speaker 1: well Oakley is just this crazy and Magic was on

1339
01:01:13,160 --> 01:01:15,800
Speaker 1: ESPN is just saying I funk with Oakley. Oakley is

1340
01:01:15,840 --> 01:01:19,120
Speaker 1: my friend. We played Carl, we played cards. I was like,

1341
01:01:19,320 --> 01:01:22,280
Speaker 1: this isn't just some fucking dude like those those like

1342
01:01:22,400 --> 01:01:25,880
Speaker 1: Jordan's Magic Johnson have said. We we we we get

1343
01:01:25,920 --> 01:01:28,080
Speaker 1: the stamp of approval for this dude, Uncle oak Man.

1344
01:01:28,120 --> 01:01:30,760
Speaker 1: Everybody calls him uncle. Well, even back to James Dolano

1345
01:01:30,920 --> 01:01:33,240
Speaker 1: real quickly, it's funny like like how do you as

1346
01:01:33,280 --> 01:01:35,560
Speaker 1: an owner? Right? And like I said, my favorite player

1347
01:01:35,560 --> 01:01:38,280
Speaker 1: of all time was Zeke, But like obviously Zeke goes

1348
01:01:38,320 --> 01:01:41,600
Speaker 1: through this whole rape allegation, right, he goes through the

1349
01:01:41,600 --> 01:01:44,280
Speaker 1: whole re allegation, He gets let go of his job,

1350
01:01:44,720 --> 01:01:46,919
Speaker 1: and then you tell me, within a year he comes

1351
01:01:46,960 --> 01:01:48,720
Speaker 1: back and then he's a general manager of the New

1352
01:01:48,800 --> 01:01:51,240
Speaker 1: York Liberty. Let me tell you, how is that possible

1353
01:01:51,440 --> 01:01:53,760
Speaker 1: if your boy Vin Baker, Let's just say Vinn Baker.

1354
01:01:53,840 --> 01:01:55,640
Speaker 1: Let's say my man Vin Baker. I don't want to

1355
01:01:55,640 --> 01:01:58,400
Speaker 1: throw v In under the bus. Let's say let's say this.

1356
01:01:58,920 --> 01:02:00,760
Speaker 1: Let's say Joe Shu, dont even want to put you

1357
01:02:00,760 --> 01:02:03,600
Speaker 1: in this situation. Let's just say, fucking Joe Schmo at

1358
01:02:03,600 --> 01:02:09,400
Speaker 1: the Starbucks downstairs gets fired for sexually harassing at the Starbucks.

1359
01:02:10,040 --> 01:02:11,960
Speaker 1: The Starbucks is never gonna call you back in you

1360
01:02:12,080 --> 01:02:15,200
Speaker 1: later and see give you the advisor. We we we

1361
01:02:15,280 --> 01:02:17,120
Speaker 1: we we we were not we can't hire you. We

1362
01:02:17,120 --> 01:02:19,400
Speaker 1: we just course there's twelve million dollars, But Joe Schmo,

1363
01:02:19,560 --> 01:02:22,440
Speaker 1: can you be our advisor? There's no ties. I don't

1364
01:02:22,680 --> 01:02:24,760
Speaker 1: I don't even I love Zeke. I don't even want

1365
01:02:24,760 --> 01:02:26,600
Speaker 1: to get into the whole fucking thing. I don't know

1366
01:02:26,640 --> 01:02:29,439
Speaker 1: what the funk happened. I don't have his I mean, well, look,

1367
01:02:29,480 --> 01:02:32,840
Speaker 1: whatever happened with him in his past, that's on him.

1368
01:02:32,880 --> 01:02:35,000
Speaker 1: I don't know all the details of that story. But

1369
01:02:35,040 --> 01:02:37,400
Speaker 1: it's not his fault that he's being rehired by James

1370
01:02:37,400 --> 01:02:40,560
Speaker 1: Doran like, how are you gonna turn to make more

1371
01:02:40,600 --> 01:02:42,920
Speaker 1: millions of dollars? Junior wants to hustle all day long.

1372
01:02:42,960 --> 01:02:45,400
Speaker 1: I want to make money. So so aside from blowing

1373
01:02:45,440 --> 01:02:48,240
Speaker 1: it up, who the Nicks finally have a draft pick?

1374
01:02:48,240 --> 01:02:50,080
Speaker 1: I don't think we have a draft pick since fucking

1375
01:02:50,240 --> 01:02:52,440
Speaker 1: I don't know, the eighties. It doesn't feel like we've

1376
01:02:52,440 --> 01:02:54,760
Speaker 1: been in the draft since Patrick, youing, I'm being facetious.

1377
01:02:54,800 --> 01:02:56,720
Speaker 1: We've got we've gotten to people, we have a draft pick,

1378
01:02:57,680 --> 01:03:00,920
Speaker 1: we're going young, We're since blowing it up is what

1379
01:03:00,920 --> 01:03:03,600
Speaker 1: you're saying, you should blow it up, we somehow wind

1380
01:03:03,680 --> 01:03:05,720
Speaker 1: up with the first pick. It's never really been blown

1381
01:03:05,800 --> 01:03:07,600
Speaker 1: up the right way. I know, it's ever been truly

1382
01:03:07,640 --> 01:03:10,040
Speaker 1: blown up. I feel like you can't do that in

1383
01:03:10,080 --> 01:03:13,120
Speaker 1: New York because what Philly has gone through and now

1384
01:03:13,160 --> 01:03:15,160
Speaker 1: they're finally seemed to be coming out on the other side.

1385
01:03:15,200 --> 01:03:17,919
Speaker 1: I don't think. I mean, I I get why. Here's

1386
01:03:17,960 --> 01:03:20,400
Speaker 1: the thing we people always say, well, you know, New

1387
01:03:20,440 --> 01:03:22,240
Speaker 1: Yorkers were not going to be patient. I'm like, but

1388
01:03:22,480 --> 01:03:24,840
Speaker 1: we have been patient pacing with the ship show that's

1389
01:03:24,840 --> 01:03:28,080
Speaker 1: been occurring for the last fifteen years. So what's another

1390
01:03:28,160 --> 01:03:30,480
Speaker 1: year or two? I get it, like actually to see

1391
01:03:30,560 --> 01:03:32,720
Speaker 1: the momentum going the right, the right, get it. I

1392
01:03:32,760 --> 01:03:34,480
Speaker 1: get it, saying like, if if I were to go

1393
01:03:34,480 --> 01:03:37,280
Speaker 1: into this year's draft, like I would, we need a

1394
01:03:37,320 --> 01:03:39,680
Speaker 1: real point guard. Man, So who were the guys that

1395
01:03:40,040 --> 01:03:42,160
Speaker 1: that are in the coming up that are NBA ready?

1396
01:03:42,240 --> 01:03:44,800
Speaker 1: I love Lonzo Ball. Is he an NBA point guard?

1397
01:03:45,120 --> 01:03:48,560
Speaker 1: He's the next coming of Jason Kidd. I'm not sucking

1398
01:03:48,600 --> 01:03:50,400
Speaker 1: throwing hype. I mean, I don't know if he'll have

1399
01:03:50,440 --> 01:03:53,760
Speaker 1: the size of Jason Kidd and the strength of Jason Kidd,

1400
01:03:53,880 --> 01:03:55,360
Speaker 1: but so much of the league is what I just

1401
01:03:55,360 --> 01:03:58,080
Speaker 1: talked to you about that Steve Nash story about that screen.

1402
01:03:58,640 --> 01:04:00,880
Speaker 1: He's one of the best I've seen in a long

1403
01:04:00,920 --> 01:04:04,680
Speaker 1: time at understanding how an offense works. And there's certain

1404
01:04:04,720 --> 01:04:07,520
Speaker 1: players that come into an organization and you just feel

1405
01:04:07,560 --> 01:04:09,680
Speaker 1: the energy around him where you're like, Yo, this is

1406
01:04:09,720 --> 01:04:11,400
Speaker 1: the type of leader. These are the type of players

1407
01:04:11,440 --> 01:04:15,360
Speaker 1: we need. He makes passing an epidemic, like he makes

1408
01:04:15,400 --> 01:04:17,960
Speaker 1: it like he makes everybody want to pass the ball

1409
01:04:17,960 --> 01:04:19,320
Speaker 1: to be more. And I think that's kind of an

1410
01:04:19,320 --> 01:04:22,400
Speaker 1: electrifying player that New York needs. So you think he's

1411
01:04:22,400 --> 01:04:24,840
Speaker 1: the real deal. I do who who else coming up

1412
01:04:24,840 --> 01:04:27,320
Speaker 1: from this draft outside of the Knicks. Who are the

1413
01:04:27,360 --> 01:04:31,040
Speaker 1: top five kids coming out of college that are are

1414
01:04:31,080 --> 01:04:33,360
Speaker 1: are in this draft that you say what watch out for?

1415
01:04:34,200 --> 01:04:36,760
Speaker 1: I would go with a kid named Dennis Smith Jr.

1416
01:04:37,120 --> 01:04:41,080
Speaker 1: He plays for NC State. He's a fucking savage point guard.

1417
01:04:41,120 --> 01:04:43,840
Speaker 1: He'll try to but he's a scoring PG. Like he

1418
01:04:43,880 --> 01:04:46,480
Speaker 1: reminds me a little bit of like uh like how

1419
01:04:46,600 --> 01:04:48,640
Speaker 1: like Zach Levine is like a child Like he's like

1420
01:04:48,680 --> 01:04:52,240
Speaker 1: a Zach Levine and Kyle Lowry combined because he has

1421
01:04:52,320 --> 01:04:54,720
Speaker 1: he has a forty one vertical, Like he can jump

1422
01:04:54,760 --> 01:04:56,880
Speaker 1: out the gym and then the kids shoot, can shoot

1423
01:04:56,880 --> 01:04:59,320
Speaker 1: the ball from anywhere he wants. He has a limited range,

1424
01:04:59,400 --> 01:05:02,520
Speaker 1: and he's he has that crazy inside of him. He

1425
01:05:02,560 --> 01:05:05,360
Speaker 1: has that type of mentality. You have another kid named

1426
01:05:05,360 --> 01:05:09,560
Speaker 1: Marquel Faults from Washington. He's like, um, he reminds me

1427
01:05:09,560 --> 01:05:11,000
Speaker 1: a little bit of Brandon Roy but he's more of

1428
01:05:11,040 --> 01:05:13,640
Speaker 1: a PG. But once again, like he has that shipped

1429
01:05:13,640 --> 01:05:16,080
Speaker 1: to him right, Like he made j v going into

1430
01:05:16,160 --> 01:05:18,240
Speaker 1: his junior year, Like he got you didn't make varsity.

1431
01:05:18,680 --> 01:05:20,760
Speaker 1: So it's been like this late bloomer Like that's how

1432
01:05:20,800 --> 01:05:22,880
Speaker 1: I was. I didn't get a lot of attention until

1433
01:05:23,080 --> 01:05:25,040
Speaker 1: I became a singer in high school. Okay, so you're

1434
01:05:25,080 --> 01:05:29,280
Speaker 1: piste off your whole life because you haven't got that attention, right, Um,

1435
01:05:29,360 --> 01:05:31,680
Speaker 1: Josh Jackson, you know I I can actually see Josh

1436
01:05:31,760 --> 01:05:34,720
Speaker 1: Jackson being a nick really yeah, because he reminds me

1437
01:05:34,720 --> 01:05:36,360
Speaker 1: a little bit of like Kwaiet Leonard. He's like a

1438
01:05:36,400 --> 01:05:38,760
Speaker 1: little bit of like a like a trail. He can't

1439
01:05:38,760 --> 01:05:41,840
Speaker 1: shoot the ball like Spree, but you know how, we

1440
01:05:41,880 --> 01:05:44,560
Speaker 1: appreciate that blue collar work like mentality. And I think

1441
01:05:44,560 --> 01:05:47,720
Speaker 1: in New York it'll be appreciated. It'll be appreciated. And

1442
01:05:47,760 --> 01:05:50,440
Speaker 1: the teams that we've talked about, the old old Knicks,

1443
01:05:50,480 --> 01:05:53,880
Speaker 1: that the Busher's, the Willis Reads, that team and the

1444
01:05:53,960 --> 01:05:56,760
Speaker 1: nineties Knicks. One of the things is because New York

1445
01:05:56,880 --> 01:06:00,480
Speaker 1: is related to it, it's like we've never had a

1446
01:06:00,680 --> 01:06:04,040
Speaker 1: star star star. Even Patrick is our biggest star of

1447
01:06:04,080 --> 01:06:07,360
Speaker 1: recent He was a fucking tough guy. He didn't smile.

1448
01:06:07,680 --> 01:06:10,760
Speaker 1: He was a fucking goon. He scowled. Our star scaled

1449
01:06:11,040 --> 01:06:13,840
Speaker 1: like the guys we look. John Starks a fucking lunatic.

1450
01:06:14,320 --> 01:06:17,760
Speaker 1: He'll always get a standing ovation. The Old Nicks, the Buscher,

1451
01:06:18,200 --> 01:06:21,400
Speaker 1: Willis Reid Clyde, like they represented in a way. It's

1452
01:06:21,400 --> 01:06:23,800
Speaker 1: like you can't really think this through and planet, but

1453
01:06:23,840 --> 01:06:26,640
Speaker 1: they represented the city somehow. It's so funny how it's

1454
01:06:26,680 --> 01:06:30,360
Speaker 1: such a it's such a complete opposite direction of like

1455
01:06:30,520 --> 01:06:33,720
Speaker 1: l A right, like think but it's like that's the

1456
01:06:33,840 --> 01:06:37,320
Speaker 1: natural roots of the city, like l A like Toby, Yeah,

1457
01:06:37,360 --> 01:06:40,520
Speaker 1: Kobe Showtime Magic, Like Kobe would take his his helicopter

1458
01:06:40,560 --> 01:06:42,920
Speaker 1: from his house to the gym. Like we're in New York,

1459
01:06:42,960 --> 01:06:45,160
Speaker 1: You're like now, like you would see dudes on the subway,

1460
01:06:45,520 --> 01:06:47,760
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. Like it's just that's how

1461
01:06:47,760 --> 01:06:49,560
Speaker 1: it is. It's a weird thing. You can't you can't

1462
01:06:49,640 --> 01:06:51,400
Speaker 1: like a GM kick. Oh, I need guys that are

1463
01:06:51,480 --> 01:06:54,080
Speaker 1: lunch pun but but I think and it's like I

1464
01:06:54,120 --> 01:06:56,320
Speaker 1: think there's certain guys that will be appreciated more in

1465
01:06:56,360 --> 01:06:59,320
Speaker 1: New York in other places. And I think Josh Jackson

1466
01:06:59,360 --> 01:07:01,560
Speaker 1: is one of those two because he'll try to give

1467
01:07:01,560 --> 01:07:04,800
Speaker 1: you twenty, but it's not gonna be the twenty where

1468
01:07:05,320 --> 01:07:07,760
Speaker 1: he's getting isol like Caramillo Anthony. It's a work like

1469
01:07:07,920 --> 01:07:09,760
Speaker 1: mentality twenty. Like he'll go up and get you like

1470
01:07:10,080 --> 01:07:13,080
Speaker 1: four offensive rebounds and dunk the ball who catch a

1471
01:07:13,160 --> 01:07:15,720
Speaker 1: bang on somebody in transition. He HiT's a three that

1472
01:07:15,800 --> 01:07:18,040
Speaker 1: was built off the right play right, like he's that

1473
01:07:18,120 --> 01:07:20,000
Speaker 1: type of dude. And then also on the defensive end,

1474
01:07:20,160 --> 01:07:21,720
Speaker 1: he's a motherfucker that I'll wait for you at the

1475
01:07:21,720 --> 01:07:24,320
Speaker 1: half court line and just starts clapping his hands and

1476
01:07:24,360 --> 01:07:26,280
Speaker 1: see him looking his lips like I can't wait to

1477
01:07:26,400 --> 01:07:28,920
Speaker 1: fucking lock you up. I can't wait. But for the

1478
01:07:28,960 --> 01:07:31,000
Speaker 1: time the game is over, when that last sound and

1479
01:07:31,000 --> 01:07:33,440
Speaker 1: the last bell rings, you're gonna have scratch marks all

1480
01:07:33,440 --> 01:07:35,640
Speaker 1: of your fucking arms, like your jersey is gonna be

1481
01:07:35,640 --> 01:07:38,120
Speaker 1: all dishuffled. Mentally, you're gonna be bitching at the reft

1482
01:07:38,160 --> 01:07:39,960
Speaker 1: the whole time because I'm founding you. But they're not

1483
01:07:39,960 --> 01:07:43,120
Speaker 1: gonna call it like he's that type of like that's

1484
01:07:43,120 --> 01:07:44,760
Speaker 1: that grit that I feel like New York really need.

1485
01:07:44,880 --> 01:07:48,160
Speaker 1: I totally agree. I'm gonna get ready to wrap this up,

1486
01:07:48,600 --> 01:07:51,240
Speaker 1: your boy, Grason Allen, I'm gonna tell you something like

1487
01:07:51,400 --> 01:07:54,720
Speaker 1: you know this, so many people couldn't fucking stand Duke.

1488
01:07:54,920 --> 01:07:58,880
Speaker 1: I couldn't fucking stand you. Why why? Just because I

1489
01:07:58,920 --> 01:08:00,880
Speaker 1: was first of all a see at the time, a

1490
01:08:01,000 --> 01:08:03,160
Speaker 1: C C biggiest I'm big East. It's like there was

1491
01:08:03,200 --> 01:08:04,920
Speaker 1: a competitive like a C C was the biggest, two

1492
01:08:04,960 --> 01:08:06,560
Speaker 1: but biggest. We broke up, man, I know, I know,

1493
01:08:06,600 --> 01:08:08,240
Speaker 1: I guess me. I get it. But I'm saying like

1494
01:08:08,280 --> 01:08:11,200
Speaker 1: I was like St. John's syricuse, I was like always

1495
01:08:11,280 --> 01:08:13,880
Speaker 1: Duke like fun duke, Like I'm George, Like my team

1496
01:08:13,880 --> 01:08:15,560
Speaker 1: was St. John six by the time you got there.

1497
01:08:15,560 --> 01:08:18,160
Speaker 1: Those teams weren't when I grew up on We want

1498
01:08:18,160 --> 01:08:20,280
Speaker 1: to talk about Chrismallen. We can talk about that next episode.

1499
01:08:20,320 --> 01:08:22,639
Speaker 1: That's my fucking guy. I love him. Is he gonna

1500
01:08:22,640 --> 01:08:26,439
Speaker 1: be around? See, that's what I'm talking about. That's a

1501
01:08:26,479 --> 01:08:29,960
Speaker 1: deeper conversation. I'm not ready for you. See, you're gonna

1502
01:08:29,960 --> 01:08:32,519
Speaker 1: make me cry, make me cry, I know, all right,

1503
01:08:32,560 --> 01:08:34,519
Speaker 1: We'll talking about another time. You want to make me cry. No,

1504
01:08:34,520 --> 01:08:36,200
Speaker 1: I don't want to. I don't want to be talk

1505
01:08:36,240 --> 01:08:39,240
Speaker 1: about you make me crying about Chris. Chris Mallen is

1506
01:08:39,280 --> 01:08:44,880
Speaker 1: my guy first of all, left handed shooter. I'm okay

1507
01:08:45,120 --> 01:08:47,479
Speaker 1: Chris Mallen. Like, Chris mall is like my like. I

1508
01:08:47,520 --> 01:08:50,160
Speaker 1: love Chrismaul Like. There's a handful of people that I've

1509
01:08:50,200 --> 01:08:52,680
Speaker 1: met throughout the years, like I'm cool with Chris, Like

1510
01:08:52,680 --> 01:08:55,760
Speaker 1: I could text Chris, but like I'm always like to

1511
01:08:55,800 --> 01:08:58,040
Speaker 1: this down forty six. So I text with Small. I'm like,

1512
01:08:58,479 --> 01:09:00,920
Speaker 1: like my heart racist like to respond back what he

1513
01:09:00,960 --> 01:09:03,040
Speaker 1: gonna say, right, because like I'm saying, John, like Chris

1514
01:09:03,120 --> 01:09:05,040
Speaker 1: Muller was my dude. But that whole era of big

1515
01:09:05,160 --> 01:09:09,120
Speaker 1: East players like Pearl, you know, late Pearl, was like

1516
01:09:09,160 --> 01:09:10,880
Speaker 1: those are my guys. So, but that's who I fell

1517
01:09:10,920 --> 01:09:13,599
Speaker 1: in love. So why I hate everybody fucking hated Duke?

1518
01:09:14,280 --> 01:09:19,240
Speaker 1: I can't even say the coach's name today, is it?

1519
01:09:19,240 --> 01:09:23,760
Speaker 1: But isn't that a common thing? No? Just I that's

1520
01:09:23,800 --> 01:09:27,080
Speaker 1: what makes this show fucking dope that it's you saying it. Okay,

1521
01:09:27,360 --> 01:09:29,719
Speaker 1: what was that? Wasn't my question? Oh? So you're great? Great?

1522
01:09:29,800 --> 01:09:32,479
Speaker 1: So I like that he trips people. I like that

1523
01:09:32,520 --> 01:09:35,120
Speaker 1: he's a wild card because when I played ball, i'd

1524
01:09:35,120 --> 01:09:37,160
Speaker 1: fucking I'd go up for a left handed shot and

1525
01:09:37,160 --> 01:09:38,960
Speaker 1: I'd hit you in my right hand. I don't mind

1526
01:09:39,000 --> 01:09:41,439
Speaker 1: fucking dirty. I like wild cards, and I like a

1527
01:09:41,479 --> 01:09:44,639
Speaker 1: wild card at Duke because you know, as far as

1528
01:09:44,760 --> 01:09:47,599
Speaker 1: we talked about race, he's a white dude. He looks

1529
01:09:48,200 --> 01:09:50,599
Speaker 1: he plays ball, but then he's like a little bit

1530
01:09:50,640 --> 01:09:53,280
Speaker 1: fucking nuts. What do you think of that whole thing

1531
01:09:53,320 --> 01:09:55,960
Speaker 1: with him? And well, Graytson Allen, does he have the

1532
01:09:55,960 --> 01:09:57,479
Speaker 1: game to play in the NBA or will he be

1533
01:09:57,560 --> 01:10:01,280
Speaker 1: in Europe? That his game is? This game is interesting, right.

1534
01:10:01,680 --> 01:10:03,400
Speaker 1: I thought last year, if you were to leave, he

1535
01:10:03,439 --> 01:10:05,280
Speaker 1: would have been a higher draft pick because the draft

1536
01:10:05,320 --> 01:10:09,160
Speaker 1: class is weaker last year. But look, I appreciate a

1537
01:10:09,160 --> 01:10:11,400
Speaker 1: certain element of crazy now. I was put in a

1538
01:10:11,479 --> 01:10:14,880
Speaker 1: very difficult position because, look, when you're seeing somebody trip

1539
01:10:14,920 --> 01:10:17,920
Speaker 1: somebody on national TV, I can't necessarily come out I

1540
01:10:17,960 --> 01:10:21,080
Speaker 1: did dirty stuff too, right, I'm holding players jerseys, I'm

1541
01:10:21,080 --> 01:10:25,040
Speaker 1: stepping on people's shoes like I'm grabbing. I'm not tripping dudes. Now.

1542
01:10:25,080 --> 01:10:27,679
Speaker 1: The first time it happens, I'm like, all right, like whatever,

1543
01:10:27,720 --> 01:10:30,200
Speaker 1: this ship happens in the game, like I get crazy competitive.

1544
01:10:30,240 --> 01:10:32,800
Speaker 1: To the second time it happens, you're like, damn dude,

1545
01:10:32,840 --> 01:10:34,920
Speaker 1: like all right, it's not like it's not like it

1546
01:10:35,000 --> 01:10:37,240
Speaker 1: happens and nobody sees it. And I think that's the

1547
01:10:37,280 --> 01:10:40,599
Speaker 1: point where it fucking blew people's mind because you're able

1548
01:10:40,640 --> 01:10:42,760
Speaker 1: to watch it. And our culture now is we show

1549
01:10:42,800 --> 01:10:46,120
Speaker 1: that ship over and over and over, and everybody has

1550
01:10:46,120 --> 01:10:48,360
Speaker 1: a hot take on it, and it's a duke player.

1551
01:10:48,439 --> 01:10:49,920
Speaker 1: What the thing is still too When you think about Duke,

1552
01:10:49,920 --> 01:10:51,439
Speaker 1: you think about Coach K. It's almost like you think

1553
01:10:51,479 --> 01:10:54,040
Speaker 1: about Camelot by the King Author the Knights at a

1554
01:10:54,080 --> 01:10:56,840
Speaker 1: round table. You hold yourself to the standard of excellence,

1555
01:10:56,960 --> 01:10:59,560
Speaker 1: and then you're allowing this kid to do this, and

1556
01:10:59,600 --> 01:11:01,680
Speaker 1: you're looking for King Author to say, no, this is

1557
01:11:01,840 --> 01:11:04,320
Speaker 1: not acceptable. He yes, Now, Coach K handled it the

1558
01:11:04,320 --> 01:11:07,280
Speaker 1: way he handled it. I didn't disagree. I disagree with

1559
01:11:07,320 --> 01:11:08,920
Speaker 1: the way he handled it. It's fine. I'm not a

1560
01:11:08,960 --> 01:11:11,720
Speaker 1: Hall of Famer. I didn't win five would I would

1561
01:11:11,720 --> 01:11:15,800
Speaker 1: have just sat him out and I would have I

1562
01:11:15,800 --> 01:11:18,360
Speaker 1: would have sat him down for three games. Not for

1563
01:11:18,640 --> 01:11:22,479
Speaker 1: the fucking media, not for analysts. Are people that called

1564
01:11:22,479 --> 01:11:24,760
Speaker 1: out for I would have done it for Grayson so

1565
01:11:24,800 --> 01:11:27,479
Speaker 1: I could say, hey, look I know who you are, Like,

1566
01:11:27,800 --> 01:11:31,640
Speaker 1: look I gravitate towards Grayson like I wore like you know,

1567
01:11:31,680 --> 01:11:34,200
Speaker 1: people think Christian later or he's hated. I love Christian

1568
01:11:34,240 --> 01:11:36,640
Speaker 1: la Chrisian was crazy, right. I was a little crazy too.

1569
01:11:36,640 --> 01:11:37,720
Speaker 1: There's a part of me. I wore a game they

1570
01:11:37,760 --> 01:11:39,800
Speaker 1: shirt and says I love Grayson now On too, because

1571
01:11:39,800 --> 01:11:43,439
Speaker 1: I played with that same kind of psychotic nature, right,

1572
01:11:43,479 --> 01:11:45,960
Speaker 1: because you had to have something different mentally to be great.

1573
01:11:46,720 --> 01:11:49,600
Speaker 1: But like, at the same time, I want Greson to

1574
01:11:49,640 --> 01:11:51,519
Speaker 1: make a lot of money, Like I want him to

1575
01:11:51,520 --> 01:11:53,639
Speaker 1: get drafted and be able to live this life he's

1576
01:11:53,640 --> 01:11:55,920
Speaker 1: always wanted to live. And sometimes when you when you

1577
01:11:55,920 --> 01:11:58,200
Speaker 1: can't take a second to just take a step back

1578
01:11:58,240 --> 01:12:00,680
Speaker 1: and sit down and think about you went through, you

1579
01:12:00,680 --> 01:12:03,160
Speaker 1: don't really know what you did, right. It's like Will

1580
01:12:03,200 --> 01:12:04,760
Speaker 1: Farrell and old school. But at that point where he

1581
01:12:04,800 --> 01:12:07,040
Speaker 1: gets up on the podium and he answers the question,

1582
01:12:07,120 --> 01:12:09,160
Speaker 1: it comes out he's like, what happened when I said,

1583
01:12:10,000 --> 01:12:12,519
Speaker 1: that's how basketball games were for me? Right, Like, that's

1584
01:12:12,520 --> 01:12:14,599
Speaker 1: how basketball games are for anybody who gets a lost

1585
01:12:14,640 --> 01:12:17,800
Speaker 1: in that competitive style of play and playing. So I

1586
01:12:17,840 --> 01:12:19,240
Speaker 1: just wish he had a little bit more time to

1587
01:12:19,400 --> 01:12:21,880
Speaker 1: reflect upon it. But yeah, he's putting in work. He's

1588
01:12:21,960 --> 01:12:24,080
Speaker 1: killing people right now, and that's all I think. He's

1589
01:12:24,080 --> 01:12:25,360
Speaker 1: come on the other side, and I think so, But

1590
01:12:25,400 --> 01:12:27,240
Speaker 1: that's all I want for any of these I don't

1591
01:12:27,240 --> 01:12:29,280
Speaker 1: care if you played for Kentucky. I don't care if

1592
01:12:29,280 --> 01:12:31,960
Speaker 1: you play for the Nets. I didn't like the nets

1593
01:12:31,960 --> 01:12:34,800
Speaker 1: growing up. But I want all my dues to get

1594
01:12:34,840 --> 01:12:37,479
Speaker 1: what they do. I want I want ment your money.

1595
01:12:37,720 --> 01:12:39,559
Speaker 1: Everybody else is making money, Grace, and I want you

1596
01:12:39,600 --> 01:12:41,320
Speaker 1: to get your money. And I don't want you to

1597
01:12:41,360 --> 01:12:43,920
Speaker 1: do anything that can damage your credibility as a draft pick.

1598
01:12:44,320 --> 01:12:47,240
Speaker 1: That's where I get worried about. What is a junior now?

1599
01:12:47,320 --> 01:12:49,320
Speaker 1: So you think he'll stay, I think he's gonna have

1600
01:12:49,400 --> 01:12:51,880
Speaker 1: to stay. I think this year's draft class coming up

1601
01:12:52,160 --> 01:12:53,559
Speaker 1: is one of the deepest we have had in a

1602
01:12:53,640 --> 01:12:57,040
Speaker 1: long time. So these guys be NBA ready in this

1603
01:12:57,120 --> 01:12:59,400
Speaker 1: draft class, because I'm tired of seeing these what's my

1604
01:12:59,439 --> 01:13:03,200
Speaker 1: man's name on the Lakers, the young kid, the Angelo Russell, No, no,

1605
01:13:03,360 --> 01:13:06,080
Speaker 1: the fucking fucking kid who looks like he's okay. I

1606
01:13:06,120 --> 01:13:08,519
Speaker 1: love him. He's got talent. These kids aren't even finished

1607
01:13:08,560 --> 01:13:11,000
Speaker 1: with puberty. Some of these fucking kids, they're not NBA.

1608
01:13:11,080 --> 01:13:13,360
Speaker 1: They're like, in three years, he'll be a good player,

1609
01:13:13,720 --> 01:13:15,840
Speaker 1: Like even Porzing is now it's a different story because

1610
01:13:15,840 --> 01:13:17,679
Speaker 1: he didn't play college with the Wait, were you ready

1611
01:13:17,680 --> 01:13:20,080
Speaker 1: to be a great actor? When you start acting, it's

1612
01:13:20,160 --> 01:13:21,960
Speaker 1: different though. Though you're getting your foot in the door,

1613
01:13:22,040 --> 01:13:24,840
Speaker 1: you're making money. No, I get that. I totally understand it.

1614
01:13:24,880 --> 01:13:28,520
Speaker 1: But yes, I think it's different because I don't think like, um,

1615
01:13:28,560 --> 01:13:30,559
Speaker 1: some of these kids are coming in and like they'll

1616
01:13:30,600 --> 01:13:32,160
Speaker 1: be great in three years, and I get like it's

1617
01:13:32,160 --> 01:13:34,880
Speaker 1: worth getting because the greatness will pay off. An actor

1618
01:13:35,000 --> 01:13:39,559
Speaker 1: Leonardo DiCaprio at nineteen, you're getting kicked. You could get

1619
01:13:39,560 --> 01:13:42,040
Speaker 1: a nomination as opposed to you. You'll sit on the bench,

1620
01:13:42,040 --> 01:13:44,080
Speaker 1: will give you six minutes and you're the first. So

1621
01:13:44,120 --> 01:13:45,680
Speaker 1: it's but I get what you're saying, but I just

1622
01:13:45,720 --> 01:13:48,120
Speaker 1: think that do you think the a uification in the

1623
01:13:48,200 --> 01:13:50,760
Speaker 1: one and done culture and the fact that the NBA

1624
01:13:50,840 --> 01:13:53,519
Speaker 1: will go, fuck it, he's only a hundred sixteen pounds,

1625
01:13:53,720 --> 01:13:55,759
Speaker 1: but in two years will be two hundred sixteen pounds

1626
01:13:56,000 --> 01:13:59,479
Speaker 1: and we'll draft him out the NBA. Ready, guys, you

1627
01:13:59,520 --> 01:14:01,479
Speaker 1: say this is a deep class, will be guys that

1628
01:14:01,479 --> 01:14:03,880
Speaker 1: will get impact teams right away. I think there are

1629
01:14:03,880 --> 01:14:05,280
Speaker 1: a couple of guys. There's a couple of guys, A

1630
01:14:05,280 --> 01:14:07,360
Speaker 1: couple of guys were then the one guy next year

1631
01:14:07,360 --> 01:14:10,000
Speaker 1: that you say, who's next year's rookie of the year,

1632
01:14:11,400 --> 01:14:16,519
Speaker 1: Depending well, it depends upon fit. You go to New York,

1633
01:14:16,560 --> 01:14:19,599
Speaker 1: your chances are probably fucked up. There ain't no rookie

1634
01:14:19,720 --> 01:14:22,080
Speaker 1: here coming at it. Would I would probably go Dinnis

1635
01:14:22,120 --> 01:14:24,760
Speaker 1: Smith Jr. Just because I think NBA wise, he'll be

1636
01:14:24,800 --> 01:14:26,640
Speaker 1: he'll be able to get it because he's used to that.

1637
01:14:26,760 --> 01:14:29,679
Speaker 1: I got you very quick. Um, but I can't. I can't.

1638
01:14:29,920 --> 01:14:32,040
Speaker 1: I don't think a lot of dudes NBA ready. But

1639
01:14:32,160 --> 01:14:34,200
Speaker 1: my thing is as a player, I don't give a

1640
01:14:34,200 --> 01:14:36,280
Speaker 1: ship if I'm NBA ready or not. There's only a

1641
01:14:36,320 --> 01:14:39,400
Speaker 1: certain amount of time I have to play this. So

1642
01:14:39,680 --> 01:14:41,120
Speaker 1: like I'm trying to and that's the thing a lot

1643
01:14:41,120 --> 01:14:42,840
Speaker 1: of people don't think about when you get drafted. You

1644
01:14:42,880 --> 01:14:44,679
Speaker 1: I'm trying to get to my second contract as quick

1645
01:14:44,680 --> 01:14:46,719
Speaker 1: as possible. So if I can get to my second

1646
01:14:46,720 --> 01:14:50,200
Speaker 1: contract and I come out of school eighteen at twenty two,

1647
01:14:50,439 --> 01:14:52,360
Speaker 1: then I can get my next contract to twenty six.

1648
01:14:52,520 --> 01:14:54,679
Speaker 1: That maybe we'll get another contract at thirty then maybe

1649
01:14:54,680 --> 01:14:57,280
Speaker 1: one more thirty four. As opposed to staying in school

1650
01:14:57,320 --> 01:14:59,719
Speaker 1: for three years and now I'm getting my first contract

1651
01:15:00,080 --> 01:15:02,360
Speaker 1: at twenty one, I'm not getting my second time contract

1652
01:15:02,400 --> 01:15:06,280
Speaker 1: until so like that's maybe maybe a loss of a

1653
01:15:06,360 --> 01:15:09,000
Speaker 1: hundred million dollars. So I'm trying to get out as

1654
01:15:09,080 --> 01:15:11,360
Speaker 1: quick as possible, because I don't care what anybody says.

1655
01:15:11,840 --> 01:15:14,479
Speaker 1: The NBA game is completely different than the college game.

1656
01:15:15,080 --> 01:15:17,640
Speaker 1: You know, we got thirty second shot clocks right, Like

1657
01:15:17,760 --> 01:15:19,759
Speaker 1: there's no illegal defense, Like you can have four people

1658
01:15:19,800 --> 01:15:22,679
Speaker 1: sit with their feet in the lane. It's completely different games.

1659
01:15:22,960 --> 01:15:24,639
Speaker 1: So like, I'm not gonna knock any kid that wants

1660
01:15:24,640 --> 01:15:26,880
Speaker 1: to come out as soon as possible. Actually, I would

1661
01:15:26,920 --> 01:15:28,599
Speaker 1: tell them to do that. I would tell a lot

1662
01:15:28,640 --> 01:15:30,360
Speaker 1: of kids even if you don't want to play, like,

1663
01:15:30,400 --> 01:15:32,439
Speaker 1: if you don't want to go to college, go overseas

1664
01:15:32,439 --> 01:15:36,000
Speaker 1: and make money. Go overseas for a year to make money. Now,

1665
01:15:36,040 --> 01:15:38,000
Speaker 1: it might be a shitty situation. You might not get

1666
01:15:38,040 --> 01:15:40,320
Speaker 1: the same visibility you'll get on the collegiate level, but

1667
01:15:40,360 --> 01:15:42,599
Speaker 1: you'll go over there, you'll make money, and I guarantee

1668
01:15:42,600 --> 01:15:44,439
Speaker 1: you that your game will be better suited for the

1669
01:15:44,520 --> 01:15:47,120
Speaker 1: league because they play more of an NBA like style.

1670
01:15:47,439 --> 01:15:50,200
Speaker 1: Over in Europe, we're the only we're the only place

1671
01:15:50,240 --> 01:15:52,040
Speaker 1: in the world that plays with the thirty second shot

1672
01:15:52,040 --> 01:15:55,320
Speaker 1: clocks in the fucking world. Right, kids over in Europe

1673
01:15:55,320 --> 01:15:58,320
Speaker 1: are playing with second shot class from the time their babies,

1674
01:15:59,000 --> 01:16:01,160
Speaker 1: But we're still Nope, that's ten seconds, like we have

1675
01:16:01,240 --> 01:16:04,840
Speaker 1: all these antiquated rules and because it's the college game, right,

1676
01:16:05,800 --> 01:16:08,720
Speaker 1: all right, Jake, we could go on and on and

1677
01:16:08,760 --> 01:16:12,040
Speaker 1: on about your giants. They're my giants too. You play

1678
01:16:12,080 --> 01:16:15,160
Speaker 1: fantasy football. What do you think about giving up Victor Cruz.

1679
01:16:16,000 --> 01:16:19,280
Speaker 1: I think, I know it's I hate to say it

1680
01:16:19,320 --> 01:16:21,320
Speaker 1: because I love him, but I think it's time. I

1681
01:16:21,320 --> 01:16:23,640
Speaker 1: think Victor. I think I hope I love First, we

1682
01:16:23,720 --> 01:16:25,559
Speaker 1: don't have to go into the adoration of how much

1683
01:16:25,560 --> 01:16:30,320
Speaker 1: I love Victor Jersey guy. His story, you know, I

1684
01:16:31,040 --> 01:16:35,120
Speaker 1: know that's because he hit the heart strings and he

1685
01:16:35,120 --> 01:16:38,559
Speaker 1: showed improved and like the story and like his heart

1686
01:16:39,040 --> 01:16:41,120
Speaker 1: was like you felt its fucking like it was talking

1687
01:16:41,120 --> 01:16:42,960
Speaker 1: about a guy who was in New York and you

1688
01:16:43,080 --> 01:16:46,040
Speaker 1: felt his exuberance. He'll always be beloved. I hope he

1689
01:16:46,080 --> 01:16:49,280
Speaker 1: continues as an NFL player. The thing about him, if

1690
01:16:49,280 --> 01:16:51,679
Speaker 1: his body has broken down, there'll be they'll be there'll

1691
01:16:51,720 --> 01:16:54,639
Speaker 1: be all the avenues, whether it's broadcasting, coaching, because he's

1692
01:16:54,680 --> 01:16:56,760
Speaker 1: so beloved and he's such he's such a sweet guy,

1693
01:16:56,800 --> 01:16:58,040
Speaker 1: but so he's way more in New York to me

1694
01:16:58,080 --> 01:17:01,640
Speaker 1: than Odell Beckham Jr. Is like to O O b J.

1695
01:17:01,800 --> 01:17:04,920
Speaker 1: Soho O b J. You know, I feel like is

1696
01:17:04,960 --> 01:17:08,120
Speaker 1: way more Hollywood. I totally J would just leave us

1697
01:17:08,120 --> 01:17:09,720
Speaker 1: in a heartbeat to go to another team, like it's

1698
01:17:09,760 --> 01:17:11,840
Speaker 1: not the same. Dude, I gotta end this podcast. You're

1699
01:17:11,840 --> 01:17:13,599
Speaker 1: gonna get me fucking nuts with O b J. I'm

1700
01:17:13,680 --> 01:17:16,400
Speaker 1: totally with you. I'm totally with you. You do play

1701
01:17:16,400 --> 01:17:18,920
Speaker 1: fantasy football next year? You want to get this work

1702
01:17:19,040 --> 01:17:21,960
Speaker 1: right here? Oh you want this work, Let's get ship.

1703
01:17:22,360 --> 01:17:25,200
Speaker 1: I'm sure it's your team name. Rapp Report delighte A

1704
01:17:25,360 --> 01:17:27,880
Speaker 1: k A a history of violence a ka. That thing's

1705
01:17:27,920 --> 01:17:30,400
Speaker 1: big a ka. Make it stop, make it stop? Damn

1706
01:17:30,640 --> 01:17:34,320
Speaker 1: okay that oh I get busy. But Rapp Report Delight

1707
01:17:34,400 --> 01:17:36,160
Speaker 1: is well, I'm known as and then to go into

1708
01:17:36,200 --> 01:17:39,519
Speaker 1: a Kaskay Okay, I like that. So so we we

1709
01:17:39,560 --> 01:17:41,360
Speaker 1: could like, I don't know if you're in season long

1710
01:17:41,880 --> 01:17:43,640
Speaker 1: or we you know, we could go head up. You

1711
01:17:43,760 --> 01:17:45,679
Speaker 1: do whatever you want to do. I'll playing any fantasy

1712
01:17:45,720 --> 01:17:49,120
Speaker 1: league with your boys. Yes, we'll do this, make it happen. Yes,

1713
01:17:49,160 --> 01:17:51,040
Speaker 1: all right, cool, but we're gonna do another key podcast

1714
01:17:51,320 --> 01:17:54,760
Speaker 1: store uh NFL season. This is a fucking pleasure. This

1715
01:17:54,800 --> 01:17:57,960
Speaker 1: was dope. I hate to cut a Trump because Jason's

1716
01:17:58,080 --> 01:18:00,240
Speaker 1: Jason's cousin is David Tyree, so we could have gotten

1717
01:18:00,280 --> 01:18:03,200
Speaker 1: down a whole rabbit hole of NFL and the craziness

1718
01:18:03,200 --> 01:18:05,160
Speaker 1: of that. I'm gonna let you go. I appreciate this

1719
01:18:05,200 --> 01:18:09,320
Speaker 1: was dope, Must love me, respect right fucking dope. M

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