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Speaker 1: Hey everybody, welcome to Movie Crush. Friday Interview edition. We
Speaker 1: got Paul back in the basement and Paul just pointed
Speaker 1: out his man, bun, you've got covid hair. I've got
Speaker 1: covid hair. I was just telling you before we started
Speaker 1: rolling that I've always kind of wanted to grow my
Speaker 1: hair a little longer, and I figured, why not do
Speaker 1: it totally little of a pandemic, so even if it
Speaker 1: looks terrible, nobody really has to see it. Well, I mean,
Speaker 1: I love long hair. I just I can't tell anything
Speaker 1: with that little uh you know whatever, that that little
Speaker 1: sprout on top. So I would like to see it long.
Speaker 1: It's it's at the in between stage, so I'll give
Speaker 1: it some time and okay, fully fully blossom. Well, don't
Speaker 1: cut it before you let me see it and it's
Speaker 1: in its full glory. Oh, I won't, don't worry. How
Speaker 1: you doing, I'm good man, it's good to be back.
Speaker 1: It's good to talk to you. Yeah. So we're gonna
Speaker 1: be talking about Starship Troopers and Paul, I thought I
Speaker 1: would uh start off the show doing something a little different.
Speaker 1: I posted it coming soon Starship Troopers on the movie
Speaker 1: crush page, and I thought we'd just read through a
Speaker 1: few of these comments to get us going. If that
Speaker 1: works for you. Yeah, I actually just I saw that
Speaker 1: right before I went on here. I saw you a
Speaker 1: lot of a lot of comments when you posted that,
Speaker 1: which was exciting. Yeah. So, Philip Mosley says, amazing you
Speaker 1: kill bugs. Good. Our old friend Lisia Lisa to Sheriff says,
Speaker 1: another movie I watched away way too young. Mark Colbinson says,
Speaker 1: just happened to have rewatched it and it was guy
Speaker 1: damn fantastic, can't be over the top, hilarious in all
Speaker 1: the right ways, and a badass sci fi action movie
Speaker 1: to boot. Roger Dodger says, at the age I saw it,
Speaker 1: I didn't realize it was a satire. Maybe I should
Speaker 1: give it another watch. Yes, Roger, give it another watch.
Speaker 1: Let's do a couple of more here. Um. David Linquist
Speaker 1: Dave says, this movie just gets better and better with age.
Speaker 1: I think that's probably yeah. Uh. Mike Dancy said, that's
Speaker 1: the movie that made me fall in love with redheads?
Speaker 1: Is the one? Lady? Is she a redhead? She looked
Speaker 1: kind of like a brunette. Was she redhead? I guess
Speaker 1: she Dizzy Dizzy is a redhead? Yeah, okay, I couldn't
Speaker 1: quite tell. Uh. And let me see our old friend Gail.
Speaker 1: The danger of n Kuntz, says Stevie. Nick sings like
Speaker 1: a goat. I don't know what that has to do
Speaker 1: with anything. I don't either, but people are excited about
Speaker 1: this one, Paul, and I revealed to you something that
Speaker 1: I will reveal to everyone else. Up until last night,
Speaker 1: I had never seen Starship Trooper. I know. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: was surprised. I was too. And and here's the deal.
Speaker 1: I was not um. I was living in New Jersey.
Speaker 1: It was post college for me, and I did not all.
Speaker 1: I think I was a victim of the reviews, which
Speaker 1: were I think it's safe to say that the most
Speaker 1: critics didn't get it as a satire, and they just said, boy,
Speaker 1: this is some pretty stiff acting and kind of an
Speaker 1: over the top, goofy sci fi war action movie that's
Speaker 1: really sort of jingoistic and imperialistic and hits all the
Speaker 1: wrong notes. And so I heard all that, and it
Speaker 1: was kind of one of those famous movies of the
Speaker 1: late nineties that was kind of up there with show
Speaker 1: Girls as far as like, it's supposed to be really,
Speaker 1: really bad, so I just didn't bother. But um, boy, dude,
Speaker 1: I love this movie. It was great. Yeah, I'm glad.
Speaker 1: I'm glad to hear you say that. You know, I
Speaker 1: didn't see it until probably sometime within the past six
Speaker 1: months myself. Okay, I didn't see it when it popped
Speaker 1: up on Netflix a few months ago. When I watched it,
Speaker 1: and I had kind of known about it in the
Speaker 1: same way you had, as this poorly received at the
Speaker 1: time of release, but one of those hey it's actually
Speaker 1: really good movies that's been sort of rehabilitated as the
Speaker 1: years have gone by. Total people have gone to bat
Speaker 1: for it and um. In fact, when I watched it,
Speaker 1: I actually hadn't seen much Paul Verhoven at all. But um,
Speaker 1: since then, just within the past few months, I've kind
Speaker 1: of gone on a binge of his work, so I've
Speaker 1: caught up with you know, all the big ones, you know, RoboCop,
Speaker 1: show Girls, Basic, Basic Instinct, uh, and this one and
Speaker 1: um one or two more. Yeah, and I pretty much
Speaker 1: love all of them, to be honest. Yeah, I mean
Speaker 1: he is uh, he's Dutch. He is as a screenwriter
Speaker 1: and director and producer. Uh. He grew up in Nazi
Speaker 1: occupied um, dutch Land, Netherlands, Holland. I think, yeah, in Holland.
Speaker 1: I was just kidding. Um, it's a country of many names,
Speaker 1: but Dutch dutch Land isn't one of them. But uh,
Speaker 1: and you see a lot of that thread and the
Speaker 1: impact I think of growing up and Nazi occupied country
Speaker 1: sort of sprinkled throughout certainly works like this and RoboCop. Um.
Speaker 1: I haven't seen show Girls. Actually I should check that
Speaker 1: out because dude has a way of going over the top.
Speaker 1: I've always loved Total Recall. UM, and RoboCop is excellent.
Speaker 1: But RoboCop Total Recall and then Starship Troopers kind of
Speaker 1: finishes out what's known as his kind of dystopian sci
Speaker 1: fi satire trilogy. Yeah. Yeah, and UM it's interesting to how, um,
Speaker 1: I was reading some of the contemporary reviews of some
Speaker 1: of these movies and how RoboCop was pretty well received
Speaker 1: when it came out and people got it. People got
Speaker 1: the satire pretty easily. Critics, especially whereas Starship Trooper's they
Speaker 1: didn't really get it, or some of them, like even
Speaker 1: like Roger Ebert did say, did point out that there
Speaker 1: worst satirical elements in it, but it just didn't really
Speaker 1: click with people, with critics, especially the the what the
Speaker 1: movie was doing right off the bat. Yeah, Um, I
Speaker 1: wonder how frustrated he has been in his career to
Speaker 1: make something like this and have it be kind of
Speaker 1: not understood at the time. But then maybe it's good
Speaker 1: later on because it's a cult classic and everyone gets
Speaker 1: it now. Yeah. He I've I've recently just watched, you know,
Speaker 1: a couple of interviews with him. He seems like a
Speaker 1: very good humored guy that doesn't seem too bothered by it.
Speaker 1: For example, Um, show Girls was trashed by everybody when
Speaker 1: it came out, and in fact it got it got
Speaker 1: nominated and and one I think for the Razzies, you know,
Speaker 1: the Worst Movie Awards, and Paul Verhoeven actually showed up
Speaker 1: to accept the award and like nobody no director had
Speaker 1: ever actually showed up to the Razzies to accept the
Speaker 1: award for best or Worst Movie. And I think that
Speaker 1: just goes that goes to show how he's he's very
Speaker 1: good natured and has a sense of humor about it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: well he's Dutch, they're great. But but yeah, I agree,
Speaker 1: But I think we shouldn't sell him short because he
Speaker 1: is a fantastic filmmaker and he's very He's doing a
Speaker 1: lot of things very consciously. It's not just like it's
Speaker 1: not like Tommy Wizo making The Room where it's like
Speaker 1: so bad, it's good. Like he's he's making very conscious
Speaker 1: choices in his films, especially with Starship Troopers. Yeah, it's
Speaker 1: a movie that was made in and it's somehow manages
Speaker 1: to look like it was made in nineteen eight four
Speaker 1: at times and two thousand seven at times. Like the
Speaker 1: visual effects and the and the bugs. That stuff looks
Speaker 1: really good and it holds up pretty well, I think. Um,
Speaker 1: but all the rest of this stuff, all the practical uh,
Speaker 1: the sets and those the school and that football game,
Speaker 1: and it all looks like early eighties and that may
Speaker 1: have been I mean, I imagine it was intentional. Um.
Speaker 1: I don't think he accidentally made a movie that looked
Speaker 1: like it was. It was fro But it's weird watching
Speaker 1: it last night because half the time I was watching
Speaker 1: all that stuff, I was going, I can't believe the
Speaker 1: Matrix came out two years later and like Starship Troopers
Speaker 1: looks like teen Wolf in a lot of ways. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and you know that's that's obviously intentional, and I think
Speaker 1: it's it's playing into the the sort of bright, shiny
Speaker 1: aesthetic of this this universe he's created, I should say,
Speaker 1: partially created, because the movie is based on a Robert
Speaker 1: Hien novel from um which we we should mentioned and
Speaker 1: also you know, before we can dive into it now
Speaker 1: a little bit, I guess, but the not you know,
Speaker 1: it's probably Heinland is one of his most famous novels.
Speaker 1: I have not read it, but um, from what I understand,
Speaker 1: it's a more straightforward take, Like apparently a lot of
Speaker 1: what happens in the movie is the same as what
Speaker 1: happens in the book, but it's played more straight. And
Speaker 1: many have actually accused the novel of being jingoistic, pro military,
Speaker 1: you know, fascist, uh, pro fascism in some ways. And
Speaker 1: I've I've got a lot of in my notes here,
Speaker 1: I've got a lot of great quotes, and I'll just
Speaker 1: give you one here um about Verhoeven um on adapting
Speaker 1: it which it was written by Edward. The screenplay was
Speaker 1: written by Edward Newmeyer, who also wrote Robocops and Um
Speaker 1: Paul Verhoeven. When asked about reading the book, he says,
Speaker 1: I stopped after two chapters because it was so boring.
Speaker 1: It is really quite a bad book. I asked ed
Speaker 1: Nwmeyer to tell me the story because I just couldn't
Speaker 1: read the thing. It's a very right wing book. Wow. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's not what he was doing here at all. Uh.
Speaker 1: This is a skewering of the military industrial complex and
Speaker 1: UM kind of everything that we are seeing now more
Speaker 1: than ever in the United States. UM, imperialism, colonialism, like
Speaker 1: you said, certainly jingoism, and and all through the lens
Speaker 1: of these kids who are just so gung ho to
Speaker 1: go become I think what they called them citizens in
Speaker 1: this movie, right, which is very interesting. Yeah, the difference
Speaker 1: between a civilian and a citizen, uh is that will
Speaker 1: to become a citizen, you have to uh do military
Speaker 1: service and only then are you allowed to vote. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So violence and the war machine is very tied up
Speaker 1: with UM one's recognition in the body politic as a
Speaker 1: contributing member to society. Yeah, which is I mean, I'm
Speaker 1: surprised this was so lost on critics back then that
Speaker 1: they took it at such face value. It's kind of
Speaker 1: disappointing because it is a fun movie. It is very funny.
Speaker 1: I was laughing a lot, uh, and it really just
Speaker 1: moves like it was exciting and fun. It is um
Speaker 1: like all the battle scenes are just so rudimentary and
Speaker 1: over the top, like there's never any uh strategy. It's
Speaker 1: just literally people lined up eight inches from each other
Speaker 1: with machine guns. Occasionally they'll use one of those little
Speaker 1: mini nukes, but it's really just about shooting machine guns
Speaker 1: as much as they can with a seemingly endless supply
Speaker 1: of ammunition at these things. Yeah, it's the movies kind of.
Speaker 1: It has sort of a bifurcated structure where it's kind
Speaker 1: of split into two halves, the first half being you know, training,
Speaker 1: boot camp and all that, and then once the war
Speaker 1: begins that kind of takes up the second half of
Speaker 1: the movie. Full metal Jacket and yeah, you're right, that's
Speaker 1: a really good point. It is. Yeah, um and uh
Speaker 1: for me, the first half is much more like out
Speaker 1: like laugh out loud, funny yeah. Uh, but but the
Speaker 1: second half it kind of just grinds you. It kind
Speaker 1: of grinds away you as a viewer, which is like
Speaker 1: you know, shooting after shooting after shooting, just taking out
Speaker 1: bug after bug after bug till it kind of numbs
Speaker 1: you to the violence, which I think is very intentional totally.
Speaker 1: And uh, like I said, like the lack of strategy,
Speaker 1: Like I was kind of laughing last night. I was like,
Speaker 1: there hasn't been one conversation about strategy and military strategy
Speaker 1: and maneuvers. It's just mow down everything. And then it
Speaker 1: hit me. I was like, well, yeah, of course that's
Speaker 1: all a part of this subversive satire that he's saying
Speaker 1: is is that war is dumb, and it is as
Speaker 1: dumb as sending hundreds of kids with machine guns to
Speaker 1: fire millions of rounds at thousands of bugs. It's really great,
Speaker 1: Like what a fun concept. Yeah, and um, I was
Speaker 1: actually I was watching an interview with Vhoven last night
Speaker 1: preparing for this, and uh. One of the questions was
Speaker 1: when did, uh, when did the consensus on the movie
Speaker 1: start to change? When did people aren't viewing it begin
Speaker 1: to view it in a more positive light? And he
Speaker 1: said his answer was really after nine eleven, and not
Speaker 1: immediately after nine eleven, but post nine eleven, post the
Speaker 1: Iraq war. Uh. Kind of on the from the two
Speaker 1: thousands onward. And I think that's because it became so
Speaker 1: much more blatant of what the film was doing when
Speaker 1: you can kind of see it mirrored in real life,
Speaker 1: where we're going to war with this enemy. We have
Speaker 1: to destroy them at all costs to get revenge for
Speaker 1: the attack they perpelled they perpetrated against us um And
Speaker 1: I think, you know, I do. It does kind of
Speaker 1: baffle me how this was all lost on critics in
Speaker 1: ninety seven. But then I think back to seven, and
Speaker 1: it was Bill Clinton was president. We were a few
Speaker 1: years removed from the Gulf War. You know, things were
Speaker 1: going relatively well for the country. I think nobody thought
Speaker 1: something like nine eleven could happen. And I think maybe
Speaker 1: when the movie came out, people were kind of like,
Speaker 1: this doesn't seem to reflect, you know, anything about how
Speaker 1: the world is today. Yeah, I mean those were the
Speaker 1: that was the Internet boom. Everyone's bank account was full
Speaker 1: and flush, and uh, I mean we weren't because we
Speaker 1: were children, but or you are certainly a child, but
Speaker 1: I was a young adult and uh, but yeah, those
Speaker 1: were like the boom times in the early Internet days
Speaker 1: where everything was kind of going great for a little
Speaker 1: while and I could see how this didn't really um,
Speaker 1: I can see how it didn't not only not reflect
Speaker 1: but just people didn't get it. Like I understand it
Speaker 1: now a little bit, but I would think critics would
Speaker 1: have been a little sharper. Yeah, you know, it's it's
Speaker 1: it's always hard to tell. And Verhoeven, you know, has
Speaker 1: has had that streak about him where he does things
Speaker 1: that in my opinion, he takes very bold leaps as
Speaker 1: a filmmaker, and I think one of them with Starship
Speaker 1: Troopers especially, is the acting style he he employed, or
Speaker 1: all the actors employ, which is I don't want to see.
Speaker 1: It's like intentionally, I mean, it's bad, but it's not.
Speaker 1: I don't know. It walks that line between just like
Speaker 1: teen soap opera, like all the emotions are or everyone's
Speaker 1: speaking with hot heightened emotions and yet they all kind
Speaker 1: of speak them in this just very dead eyed delivery,
Speaker 1: you know. And most of those main actors had appeared
Speaker 1: on like shows like nine Beverly Hills and I O
Speaker 1: u on oh yeah, prior to this. Yeah, I mean,
Speaker 1: this leads me to a good point, because I wanted
Speaker 1: to talk about the cast and the casting and the
Speaker 1: acting Macaulay Culkin. I don't know if you read his
Speaker 1: his spiel on this. He is a big, big fan
Speaker 1: of Starship Troopers and a big champion of it, and
Speaker 1: he says this, I think a lot of audiences at
Speaker 1: first didn't know they were watching a political satire because
Speaker 1: the actors themselves didn't know they were in a satire.
Speaker 1: I liked Bear Hoban's philosophy going into this whole thing.
Speaker 1: It feels like he just hired some soap actors and
Speaker 1: didn't really tell them that there was going to be
Speaker 1: a comedic tone. You can't really ask actors to act bad.
Speaker 1: You just hire bad actors and just don't say anything.
Speaker 1: And I think that might have been the thing. And
Speaker 1: he like he went on later in the article to
Speaker 1: say that I think Neil Patrick Harrison might have been
Speaker 1: the only one that was sort of had a clue
Speaker 1: what was going on. Yeah, I could definitely see that.
Speaker 1: And you know, I don't want to I don't want
Speaker 1: to sell the actors short, because while that is true,
Speaker 1: like the effect it creates is brilliant in my opinion,
Speaker 1: like the movie wouldn't work without these quote unquote bad performances.
Speaker 1: But seeing that you know as a as a viewer,
Speaker 1: it's really hard to know how to take something like
Speaker 1: that when you're going into something cold. You know, is
Speaker 1: this filmmaker just really incompetent? Does he not realize what
Speaker 1: he's doing? Yeah, I mean, I'm giving the critics a
Speaker 1: hard time, but I'm trying to imagine in walking into
Speaker 1: this movie seeing Denise Richards acting like she acts, God
Speaker 1: bless her, bless her little heart, and Casper Vandan bless
Speaker 1: his heart, and then leaving the movie theater going what
Speaker 1: a subversive war satire? How smart of a movie was that?
Speaker 1: I wouldn't have bought it either you know I would
Speaker 1: or not. I wouldn't have gotten it. I'll admit that. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So so you know, we'll we'll go, well, yeah, we'll
Speaker 1: try to ease up on the critics from that time,
Speaker 1: because yeah, it was a different time. We'll say that. Um,
Speaker 1: one of the things I loved was the same thing
Speaker 1: RoboCop did was, which was these very campy fake commercials
Speaker 1: um in this case selling you know, selling the military.
Speaker 1: And I mean that right out of the gate, it's
Speaker 1: it seems now just so obvious that this is a
Speaker 1: movie not to be taken seriously. Like, you can't be
Speaker 1: much more obvious than those opening commercials like military or
Speaker 1: federation recruitment commercials. Absolutely, and uh, you know, at the
Speaker 1: very beginning it shows, um, everyone's saying, I'm doing my part,
Speaker 1: and then you see like the twelve year old kid,
Speaker 1: I'm doing my part, and then everybody laughs like very
Speaker 1: like you know, scripted laugh. And I want to talk
Speaker 1: about that that opening commercial because I don't know if
Speaker 1: you saw this, but basically that's a shot for Shot
Speaker 1: preparity slash homage to the Nazi film Triumph of the Will,
Speaker 1: directed by Lenni Reefinstahl. Yeah, I heard it was very
Speaker 1: much kind of directly ripped off. Yeah, and there's a
Speaker 1: there's a YouTube video where somebody kind of plays them
Speaker 1: side by side, um, and you can kind of see
Speaker 1: like the shot choices are all the same, the close
Speaker 1: ups of the faces and then the flag waving. It
Speaker 1: kind of it's almost almost a one to one match.
Speaker 1: And I think that's you know for HOVN you know
Speaker 1: says it was obviously intentional um as kind of a
Speaker 1: a nod to uh, fascist imagery and propaganda. Another thing
Speaker 1: I really loved was and I talked to work worked
Speaker 1: really well, for this was the high school angle, um,
Speaker 1: instead of making it you know, college grads or people
Speaker 1: that were in their early twenties and sort of like
Speaker 1: there was really something about the nine O two one
Speaker 1: oh Archie comics high school thing, and that that first
Speaker 1: hour that really really worked for me. I thought it
Speaker 1: was so kind of corny and sweet, and that football
Speaker 1: game was just amazing. It's one of my favorite parts.
Speaker 1: It's so funny when you know, I watched the movie
Speaker 1: a couple of times now, and when you think about
Speaker 1: the how football is depicted in this futuristic society where
Speaker 1: it's played indoors, which you know, arena football does that already,
Speaker 1: but they play on like a horror a very hard
Speaker 1: like horror surface or something. Yeah, oh yeah, it's a court. Yeah.
Speaker 1: And they don't wear face masks. Uh. It's like it
Speaker 1: seems like less safe and more sort of like brutal. Right, yeah,
Speaker 1: and I think, like, I mean, you and I are
Speaker 1: both pretty big football fans, right, but I will say that, like,
Speaker 1: if there's one sport that probably would thrive in a
Speaker 1: society like this, it's this sort of it's it's the
Speaker 1: one sport where it's just about like you know, hitting
Speaker 1: each other as hard as you can. It's sort of
Speaker 1: fosters that animalistic um, you know, got gotta win at
Speaker 1: all costs instinct. I think, yeah, it was fun, the
Speaker 1: the flips and the and the gymnastic moves which come
Speaker 1: back later on during the war scenes, the battle scenes
Speaker 1: that the great uh what's his name, Paul or something
Speaker 1: Muldoon as the other future pilot who was you know,
Speaker 1: the man I think his name is Xander, and the Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean as then for Rico and these Richards, just
Speaker 1: like she goes up to Rico at one point she's like,
Speaker 1: are you jealous? And I was like, well, yeah, you're
Speaker 1: I fucking this guy right in front of him, like constantly,
Speaker 1: like of course he's jealous. Yeah, it's great. And obviously
Speaker 1: that that that antagonism between those two is is carried
Speaker 1: on throughout the movie. But yeah, it's it's really interesting.
Speaker 1: The high school stuff. To me, that's like the most
Speaker 1: fun aspect of the movie and the most the the
Speaker 1: funniest for me. Uh. And I think what's interesting about
Speaker 1: it is that I think there's there's a very strong
Speaker 1: thematic link you can make between the the overt sort
Speaker 1: of militaristic fascist imagery of the second half and the
Speaker 1: first half where it's sort of about how we like
Speaker 1: to see young attractive people in movies in TV, and
Speaker 1: it's we want to root for them because they're young
Speaker 1: and attractive. And so you find yourself even though you
Speaker 1: know on a conscious level what the movie is doing,
Speaker 1: you can't help but especially as the movie goes on,
Speaker 1: to like want them to succeed and want them to win,
Speaker 1: even though what they're fighting for and the the ideology
Speaker 1: they're embodying is is a really nasty one. Yeah. I
Speaker 1: mean everyone is so ridiculously good looking in this movie. Um,
Speaker 1: you know, he cast sort of these perfect looking people
Speaker 1: to play. I mean, regardless of what you think about
Speaker 1: their acting, Like they don't like Denise, You never believe
Speaker 1: for a second that Denise Richards can or is flying
Speaker 1: those ships, or that Casper van Dean for someone who
Speaker 1: looks very athletic and has that body, he's very kind
Speaker 1: of clunky looking when he moves. Um, and kind of everyone,
Speaker 1: I mean, no one, no one felt like a badass
Speaker 1: in this movie. Uh. And I think that's got to
Speaker 1: be purposeful, you know. Yeah, And and also you know,
Speaker 1: again to tie it to the sort of Nazi imagery. Um.
Speaker 1: I think Verhoeven was quoted as saying something along the
Speaker 1: lines of not just the triumph of the will reference,
Speaker 1: but having them all be sort of the to put
Speaker 1: it bluntly, like the perfect area, the embodiment of like
Speaker 1: the area and perfection of the body, you know, where
Speaker 1: they're all, Um, they're all just like chiseled, handsome, beautiful,
Speaker 1: gorgeous people. You know. It's it's it's very i would say,
Speaker 1: pretty ingenious on his part. And it's also a military
Speaker 1: that is completely integrated, um along racial lines and gender lines.
Speaker 1: And you know that the very funny scene with a
Speaker 1: group shower where it's, uh, they're all just in their
Speaker 1: naked together and that no one's making a big deal
Speaker 1: about it. It's uh, it's it's interesting. I've never seen
Speaker 1: anything like that. You know. Yeah, that scene is very interesting.
Speaker 1: And on one hand you can kind of watch it
Speaker 1: and view it as like this is really progressive. You know,
Speaker 1: it's like men and women are naked together and sort
Speaker 1: of seeing themselves. Everyone's on an equal playing field. You know,
Speaker 1: there's no sexism, there's no misogyny, and yet um Verhoeven
Speaker 1: himself actually, um, I've I wrote down another quote here
Speaker 1: about this the shower scene, where he says the idea
Speaker 1: I wanted to express was that the so called advanced
Speaker 1: people are without libido. Here they are talking about war
Speaker 1: and their careers and not looking at each other at all.
Speaker 1: It is sublimated because they are fascists. So it's like
Speaker 1: the natural like instinct to be attracted to other people
Speaker 1: is sort of squashed down in the name of like
Speaker 1: all supporting the nation in the state, you know. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: like the it's it's so important to them. It's a
Speaker 1: literal boner killer, you know. And it is like most
Speaker 1: military movies. Whenever you see UM, there's a lot of misogyny.
Speaker 1: And I think in a lot of a lot of
Speaker 1: war films and military films, UM, and this movie is
Speaker 1: does not have that. I'll give it credit, you know. Yeah, everyone,
Speaker 1: it's like everyone, equality is to it canto like the
Speaker 1: most and degree of extremism, you know. And I gotta
Speaker 1: I gotta mention one anecdote here which maybe you read about,
Speaker 1: but um on when they actually filmed that nude scene,
Speaker 1: uh Verhoeven said that UM one cast member said they
Speaker 1: would only get naked if we did, meaning Verhoven himself. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and he said, I have no problem with taking my
Speaker 1: clothes off, so he did, so he filmed it in
Speaker 1: the nude. He said, quote it is strange, but of
Speaker 1: course Americans get more upset about nudity than ultra violence.
Speaker 1: I'm constantly amazed about that. I mean, I haven't seen
Speaker 1: any sex scenes in American film that are anything other
Speaker 1: than completely boring. A bare breast is more difficult to
Speaker 1: get through the sensors than a body riddled with bullets. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, there you have it. Very European sensibility for sure.
Speaker 1: And um, you know, I remember you and you and
Speaker 1: Josh a long time ago did a stuff you should
Speaker 1: know about the m p A A right, I remember
Speaker 1: listening to that and how it's it's kind of a
Speaker 1: it's messed up the way films are rated. Um, it's
Speaker 1: a very sort of I don't know, corrupt system, but yeah,
Speaker 1: it's it's essentially, you can make movies almost as violent
Speaker 1: as you want, and there's a good chance you'll get
Speaker 1: a PG. Thirteen. But as soon as you show nudity
Speaker 1: or set graphics sex or female pleasure in sexual situations,
Speaker 1: it's like r N c. Seventeen, No questions asked, Yeah, no, absolutely,
Speaker 1: uh And very Hooven is from a much different mindset,
Speaker 1: you know. It's just Europeans are way less hung up
Speaker 1: on that stuff. Um. Yeah, one of the lines that
Speaker 1: I liked, And there's a lot of like very corny,
Speaker 1: funny lines, but there's also some really good lines that
Speaker 1: I think, in a quote unquote better movie would it
Speaker 1: would have been had a lot more impact. And one
Speaker 1: of them is is near the beginning when uh Rico
Speaker 1: was trying to figure out what he wants to do
Speaker 1: and he goes to his teacher, who later ends up
Speaker 1: being you know, back in the war effort. Uh. He
Speaker 1: says figuring figuring yourself out as the only freedom any
Speaker 1: of us really have. And that's like a really great
Speaker 1: line that has just sort of lost a little bit,
Speaker 1: and the circumstances is of this kind of campy movie,
Speaker 1: and I think good line though. It is a good line. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's and it's weird how it's used in the context
Speaker 1: of this movie, because, like you said, in another movie,
Speaker 1: that would be kind of a really empowering line. Um.
Speaker 1: But of course in Starship Troopers, Um, he ends up
Speaker 1: Johnny Rico ends up in listing just because he's he
Speaker 1: wants to follow his girlfriend there, and he ends up
Speaker 1: not really making that many choices on his own. Um.
Speaker 1: Someone else pointed out how when he finally hooks up
Speaker 1: with Dizzy, it's only after um, his teacher again gives
Speaker 1: him advice where it's like, don't pass up a good thing,
Speaker 1: and it's like, up until that point, he's not really
Speaker 1: attracted to her until he gets like permission from from
Speaker 1: his commander to do it, you know. Yeah, and uh,
Speaker 1: and then then that extra twenty minutes that he's granted
Speaker 1: in the sack. Um. Yeah, the great great Clancy Brown
Speaker 1: is in this movie just one of the all time
Speaker 1: great character actors from Highlander and Shawshank Redemption. Um, one
Speaker 1: of the great bad guys, and here he gets to
Speaker 1: play the very trophy um tried and true drill sergeant,
Speaker 1: but in this case it's the drill sergeant doesn't just
Speaker 1: um emotionally humiliate people, but he gives them compound fractures
Speaker 1: and knives through the hand. It's so great and over
Speaker 1: the top. I just loved it. Yeah, it's over the top.
Speaker 1: And um, you know, obviously you get the sense that
Speaker 1: like whenever century this is taking place in, like, it's
Speaker 1: a lot easier to heal, probably a fractured wrist. Yeah,
Speaker 1: then you know it's not gonna And even when you
Speaker 1: see Johnny Weiko get stabbed by the bugs through the leg,
Speaker 1: you know he gets healed, it's like three days, right, yeah,
Speaker 1: pretty much completely so, but even still, Yeah, it's like
Speaker 1: it's like you said, it's it's boot camp taken to
Speaker 1: like the extreme of the streams. You know. Yeah, all
Speaker 1: that laser tag stuff was so corny and looked so
Speaker 1: uh yeah, I loved all that stuff. I mean those
Speaker 1: sets were all kind of hokey looking, But like I said,
Speaker 1: that's contrasted against like when the ship actually goes down
Speaker 1: in the in the c G I comes in, I
Speaker 1: thought it was maybe it had even more impact because
Speaker 1: it could have been you know, very corny stop motioning
Speaker 1: Jason and the Argonaut style if he was trying to
Speaker 1: go that direction. But I think I think he did
Speaker 1: the right thing by kind of having both worlds in there. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and and you, like you mentioned at the top um
Speaker 1: the c G I holds up, it looks I would
Speaker 1: already argue that a lot of it looks better than
Speaker 1: some of the stuff you see now. It's sort of
Speaker 1: like reminds me of the way a lot of the
Speaker 1: c GI in Jurassic Park still holds up. Yeah, or
Speaker 1: maybe a terminator to like they used the budget for
Speaker 1: that really well, and I think it was it was
Speaker 1: state of the art then and it's it still works,
Speaker 1: oh totally. I mean when uh, when the when it's
Speaker 1: really going down there at the end, they are so outnumbered,
Speaker 1: like it's it's a fun, campy movie, but I found
Speaker 1: myself really on edge watching those scenes and just how
Speaker 1: outnumbered they were. I mean, they were totally screwed and um,
Speaker 1: they're there. Strategy of just firing bullets at them was
Speaker 1: not working. They were on the run, you know. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And that opening the first time they attack the I
Speaker 1: think it's the main planet of the first attack. It's
Speaker 1: sort of like data. It's it's sort of like the
Speaker 1: opening for Saving Private Ryan, you know where it's which
Speaker 1: is funny because this actually came out a year I
Speaker 1: think before Saving Private Ryan. But you know, they're all
Speaker 1: strapped in in their ships and it's like the ships
Speaker 1: are shaking, you know, and they land and it's like
Speaker 1: they open up the gate and it's just like littered
Speaker 1: with bugs, and it's just a disaster, Like they barely
Speaker 1: make any progress before they have to order a general
Speaker 1: retreat and it's like hundreds of thousands of lives lost.
Speaker 1: And then you cut to the news report and the
Speaker 1: General of the Federation or ever resigns and then they
Speaker 1: employ they you know, they they promote somebody else us
Speaker 1: who's like, we have to learn how they think and
Speaker 1: then we can kill them. Yeah, it's interesting, and I
Speaker 1: know this is of course part of the whole purposefulness
Speaker 1: of the mindless of war. But not only was there
Speaker 1: no strategy, but there was never any There was never
Speaker 1: any backstory really even about why this was all happening,
Speaker 1: what the bugs were, what they wanted. Um, they were
Speaker 1: just was there. I mean, weren't they just sort of there?
Speaker 1: Or was it because they were colonizing other planets humans
Speaker 1: were that's right. Yeah, there's like a few throwaway lines
Speaker 1: that mentioned kind of the origins of the conflict, where
Speaker 1: it's basically humans are colonizing further out into the into
Speaker 1: the gallop into the Solar System, and eventually they encroach
Speaker 1: upon uh, the world's belonged to the arachnids Presuma and
Speaker 1: that's when the arachnids start fighting back. And there's there's
Speaker 1: a really great line where it's during one of the
Speaker 1: news reports where um, it's after Buenos Aires has been attacked,
Speaker 1: and there's that news guy on the ship right before
Speaker 1: they're about to like set out for their first battle,
Speaker 1: and he says, you know, some have questioned the the
Speaker 1: idea that we should retaliate, because you know, some have said, we, uh,
Speaker 1: the bugs attack, was there retaliating for us encroaching on
Speaker 1: their worlds? And maybe a live and let live policy
Speaker 1: is better. And then Rico kind of jumps into frame
Speaker 1: and he's like, I was, I'm from Buenos Aireas and
Speaker 1: I say kill them all? Yeah, that was pretty obvious. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And it's it's sort of this notion that reminds me
Speaker 1: of sort of that post nine eleven mindset where it's
Speaker 1: like you immediately demonize the enemy. You have to demonize
Speaker 1: the enemy to justifying your mind the idea of destroying
Speaker 1: them all, because in this movie, you know, whenever they
Speaker 1: talk about attacking the bugs, it's never like we're defending
Speaker 1: ourselves or we just want to restore peace. It's all
Speaker 1: about the only good bug is a dead bug, we
Speaker 1: have to kill them all. And that general of the
Speaker 1: fleet or whatever even says like, you know, humans, uh,
Speaker 1: we must meet this threat to ensure that humans, not insects,
Speaker 1: dominate the galaxy. So it's not just about defending themselves,
Speaker 1: it's about destroying annihilating the other, you know. Yeah, And
Speaker 1: and just imagine in this movie with the word Muslim
Speaker 1: swapped in for the word bug every time they say it,
Speaker 1: and there's your there's your message right there, you know.
Speaker 1: And I think, you know, the fact that it is
Speaker 1: they're really like ugly bugs is a really smart move
Speaker 1: because it makes it so easy for the viewer to
Speaker 1: kind of get on the movie side where it's like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 1: they're ugly, they're gross, they're they're scary. I do want
Speaker 1: them to be destroyed. And I think that's the movie
Speaker 1: sort of genius in that it it's subtly works its
Speaker 1: way on over the viewer where you kind of find
Speaker 1: yourself rooting for for these people even though they're ostensibly fascist.
Speaker 1: You know. Yeah, I thought that was interesting. I also
Speaker 1: thought it was interesting in their use of the little
Speaker 1: mini nuke. I don't know if they didn't have a
Speaker 1: lot of those, or they seem to be so strategically
Speaker 1: employed or maybe just seldom lee employed or deployed that
Speaker 1: it's um, it made me think they didn't have many
Speaker 1: of them. Otherwise, why didn't they just keep using those
Speaker 1: over and over? Yeah, that's a good question. I don't
Speaker 1: know if it's if it's a yeah, supply issue, or
Speaker 1: maybe they seem to be like pretty maybe there's just
Speaker 1: a lot of danger in using them. Yeah, that's their nukes,
Speaker 1: so there probably could easily be a lot of collateral
Speaker 1: damage because they had to get the hell out of
Speaker 1: there every time they used one. Yeah, that's pretty funny. Though.
Speaker 1: We also got Hank from Breaking Bad. By the way,
Speaker 1: I don't know if you noticed him. We I've not
Speaker 1: seen Breaking Bad. Which one Hank? Okay, he was the
Speaker 1: sort of one of the higher ups, um bald guy
Speaker 1: higher up above Clancy Brown's character. Oh yeah, yeah, I
Speaker 1: just google him. Yeah, he's he's at boot camp. He's
Speaker 1: kind of yeah, Clancy Brown's boss, sort of the next
Speaker 1: guy up the chain, his boss. Um. One of my
Speaker 1: favorite parts too, as far as just terrible goodness, is
Speaker 1: uh the the sort of the party scene when when
Speaker 1: the commanding officer is like, you know, here's here's the beer,
Speaker 1: and here's the entertainment. And Jake BC picks up that
Speaker 1: electric fiddle and starts playing Dixie. Yeah. Yeah, it's not
Speaker 1: lost on me what he's playing there so weird and
Speaker 1: out of left field. It's like, well, I guess he
Speaker 1: can play the violin, and I guess they're all going
Speaker 1: to dance a jig to Dixie. Yeah. And and the
Speaker 1: way he's uh, the leader says, you know, I expect
Speaker 1: the best and I give the best. Opens up and
Speaker 1: it's the keg and he's like, have fun. That's in order. Right,
Speaker 1: here's a soccer ball of football and a green fiddle.
Speaker 1: Oh man, it was so good because I mean all
Speaker 1: of these things are sort of military war movie tropes too.
Speaker 1: Like the whole movie is set up like that from
Speaker 1: the beginning, with the hometown boy going off to war
Speaker 1: and the friends getting split up into different uh uh
Speaker 1: platoons or whatever, and then of course you know they're
Speaker 1: going to come back together at some point during the war,
Speaker 1: like this is all of this stuff, is right, Or
Speaker 1: the the party scene where you take a little break
Speaker 1: from the war and have a little R and R.
Speaker 1: It's all right. Out of the military movie trope handbook, UM,
Speaker 1: which I think is a It was a smart thing
Speaker 1: to to make it something that was comfortable and known
Speaker 1: to a movie viewer. I agree, I think, and I
Speaker 1: think this movie it moves really well, Like it uses
Speaker 1: all of those established sort of military movie cliches, but
Speaker 1: like you're never bored, like you you always feel like
Speaker 1: you're in the hands of a confident director who knows
Speaker 1: where this movie is going. Yeah, and even though you
Speaker 1: know these tropes, you can't kind of can't help it
Speaker 1: get sucked into them because they're done really well. I think,
Speaker 1: you know, the battles do kind of like you said,
Speaker 1: put you on the edge of your seat while you're
Speaker 1: watching them. Yeah, and you know you're gonna get to
Speaker 1: see some great kills. Um. I love the use of
Speaker 1: gore in this movie, ripping people in half, stabbing them
Speaker 1: through the head, slicing heads off, Like it couldn't have
Speaker 1: gone any other way. You know, if you're going to
Speaker 1: do this movie this way, it had to go to
Speaker 1: eleven with the gore and the violence, and um, it's
Speaker 1: it's a lot of fun to see, like the one
Speaker 1: guy that you just know he's gonna get it, you know,
Speaker 1: that's all he does is peel away from the infantry
Speaker 1: just for a moment. Come get some, Come get some.
Speaker 1: And you're like, oh boy, it's coming, here, it comes.
Speaker 1: You're just waiting to see how it happens. And yeah,
Speaker 1: he gets he's the one that gets like torn up
Speaker 1: by like a dozen of them. I think, oh yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1: And then then the day that gets picked up and
Speaker 1: carried away to by the fly ying bugs. Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: that was all that was fun too. Yeah, And that's
Speaker 1: that's sort of excessive violent, successive gore and excessive nudity too.
Speaker 1: Is is kind of Verhoven's m o um what he's
Speaker 1: known for. He kind of he kind of loves to
Speaker 1: play in this sort of sleazy milieu. But he's he's
Speaker 1: always he's always doing it for a reason. He's always
Speaker 1: doing it for a reason. No, totally, he's not just
Speaker 1: a purveyor of of violence and smut. Um. I think
Speaker 1: I think it always has an edge and a satiric
Speaker 1: edge to it, even movie, even a movie like of
Speaker 1: course Basic Instinct. Um. I wish he was still making
Speaker 1: these kind of movies. I miss it. Yeah. Here his
Speaker 1: last movie was called His last movie was three or
Speaker 1: four years ago, was called L E L L E
Speaker 1: with um Isabel who pair he made it in Europe. Um,
Speaker 1: it's really good. And then he's got another one that
Speaker 1: was supposed to come out this year, but I think
Speaker 1: it got pushed back because of the pandemic. But um,
Speaker 1: it's about a nun. Uh. It's like it takes place
Speaker 1: in like the sixteenth or seventeenth century maybe, and it's
Speaker 1: about a nun at a convent who uh has some
Speaker 1: sort of sexual awakening or something something. So it's it's
Speaker 1: another it's another movie. It's sexy Nune in his Yeah,
Speaker 1: sexy Nune and something in his wheelhouse with probably h
Speaker 1: you know, interesting explorations of sex, sexuality and probably lots
Speaker 1: of nudity. Well, let's talk about the ending, the last
Speaker 1: sort of ten or fifteen minutes of this movie when
Speaker 1: they introduced the concept of the bugs sucking out the
Speaker 1: brains and this um for lack of a better word,
Speaker 1: this uh vagina monster that he sticks on them at
Speaker 1: the end, which is so clearly what what is he's
Speaker 1: trying to show there? I mean it's not like that
Speaker 1: sort of looks like yeah, I mean that's what Paul
Speaker 1: Verhoven is doing. There. It looks like a big vaginal spider. Yeah, agreed,
Speaker 1: I think, well yeah, so so you they introduced the
Speaker 1: concept of the brain bug, like, uh, and that's you know,
Speaker 1: a bug that they can actually learn something from because
Speaker 1: in theory, it's one of the bugs who thinks maybe
Speaker 1: and they can learn what the bugs want, however, and
Speaker 1: how to beat them, you know. Um, and the bugs
Speaker 1: are obviously doing the same thing with their brain bugs
Speaker 1: that suck out people's brains. You know, they say they're
Speaker 1: learning from us, and that's how the um, the roughnecks
Speaker 1: we were ambushed at that that base or whatever because
Speaker 1: Rico's rough well it wasn't Rico's Roughnecks at this point
Speaker 1: just yet, but yes, Rico's Roughnecks. They heard this distress
Speaker 1: call and it turns out they get there and one
Speaker 1: of the guys had his brain sucked out, and um,
Speaker 1: and they realized that this was a trap that the
Speaker 1: bugs laid for them, right, and they were all coming back,
Speaker 1: and that's when you get you know, uh, Denise Richards,
Speaker 1: of course, you know they're going to reunite. That's when
Speaker 1: she has to come back with their amazing pilot skills
Speaker 1: and save the day. Yeah, I hope you a pilot
Speaker 1: who's just crazy, you know. He says, like you'd have
Speaker 1: to be crazy to fly in there. And he says,
Speaker 1: hope you got a crazy pilot, And of course it's
Speaker 1: Denise Richards showing up. Yeah. And then they had the
Speaker 1: lady from Seinfeld, uh that was chopped in half by
Speaker 1: a door at one point. That was great. She's sort
Speaker 1: of the lead the lead captain on the on the
Speaker 1: pilot ship or whatever. Yeah, that was pretty fun too,
Speaker 1: I agree, But yeah, and then the you know, the
Speaker 1: end is great because you know, Neil Patrick Harris is
Speaker 1: going to come back into the fold. He's reunited with
Speaker 1: his friends and and what looks like full Nazi Gestapo
Speaker 1: um uniform. No accident. If the if the satire wasn't
Speaker 1: obvious by then, it's definitely obvious when he shows up
Speaker 1: in the the s S uniform. Yeah, full uh full
Speaker 1: s S and he uh. He goes and he feels
Speaker 1: the brain monster, who was just apparently now subdued with
Speaker 1: some simple rope no big deal, just a big rope
Speaker 1: net and he and he goes, it's afraid. It's afraid.
Speaker 1: And that's the big moment of the movie. And I
Speaker 1: think such the statement um from Verehoven, which is like,
Speaker 1: it's almost like you want to subjugate your enemy rather
Speaker 1: than just kill them. You want to make them afraid
Speaker 1: of you and of your war machine. Yeah. The fact
Speaker 1: that the movie, the movie presents that moment as like
Speaker 1: the ultimate triumph. Like as soon as he yells it's afraid,
Speaker 1: everyone starts cheering because it means the enemy is scared
Speaker 1: of them, And yeah, it's this. It's this bizarre moment
Speaker 1: where you'd think, like, again, let's say this wasn't a big,
Speaker 1: nasty looking bug. Let's say this was just another human
Speaker 1: from a different country that looked different from you in
Speaker 1: a different movie. If you'd say, oh, this person is afraid,
Speaker 1: it would be that moment of like empathy and identification.
Speaker 1: This this is another living being that feels things and
Speaker 1: is is feeling you know, scared and vulnerable right now.
Speaker 1: But in this world, it's the ultimate triumph to make
Speaker 1: them afraid. Like you said, it's not just enough to
Speaker 1: defeat them. Yeah, it's like we own them now because
Speaker 1: they're scared of us. Uh, and they have they have
Speaker 1: no future against us because we own them. So funny, exactly,
Speaker 1: so great. I'm glad we picked this movie. Paul too,
Speaker 1: I want to I wanna um before we go here,
Speaker 1: I want to throw a quote out to you. This
Speaker 1: is a quote from or it's a quote attributed to
Speaker 1: France Watch Trufaux And he said, Uh, there's no such
Speaker 1: thing as an anti war film. What do you now?
Speaker 1: What do you think when you hear that idea? I
Speaker 1: think I disagree? Mm hmm. I mean, is this point
Speaker 1: that in making an anti war film, it's inherently pro
Speaker 1: war because it glorifies it a little bit? Yeah, I agree,
Speaker 1: that's his point. It's like, no matter how anti war
Speaker 1: you try to make your film, by depicting war, it's
Speaker 1: inherently uh, showing it in a positive light. And I
Speaker 1: do agree with you that there are examples of anti
Speaker 1: war films that truly are anti war. But I think
Speaker 1: he makes a really good point that anytime, almost any
Speaker 1: time you depict combat, unless you depict combat is like
Speaker 1: either just really boring or just like an absolute slaughter,
Speaker 1: like you're gonna make war look cool, Like think about
Speaker 1: Saving Private Ryan, where it's like, yeah, war is hell
Speaker 1: and all this stuff. But it's like you come out
Speaker 1: of that movie being like, oh man, like I wanna,
Speaker 1: I want to join up and serve for the right
Speaker 1: cause you know, yeah, it's also because saving Private Ryan.
Speaker 1: It's like it's brutal, but it's also brotherhood. And it's
Speaker 1: also like these friendships and admiring this captain who was
Speaker 1: a teacher, and uh, yeah, I mean I could argue
Speaker 1: that there are a few war movies that were pretty
Speaker 1: brutal war as hell, and that was sort of the
Speaker 1: only message. But I get where he's coming from. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I could buy that. Yeah, And it's an interesting thought
Speaker 1: exercise when you apply it to this movie. And I
Speaker 1: would actually argue that Starship Troopers is a true anti
Speaker 1: war film because it doesn't I mean, it doesn't overtly
Speaker 1: critique it. You know, it doesn't try to slap you
Speaker 1: on the wrist and say, look at how bad war is.
Speaker 1: Instead it's sort of shows you, like, this is the
Speaker 1: movie that society would make about itself, Like this is
Speaker 1: how that society sees itself, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: And so, uh, there's a quote from Verehoven which I
Speaker 1: think gets to the heart of this. Um. I've been
Speaker 1: quoting him a lot here, but m and as we mentioned,
Speaker 1: he grew up in um, Nazi occupied Netherlands and uh.
Speaker 1: Michael Ironside at one point asked him, so why are
Speaker 1: you doing this right wing fascist movie? And Verehoven said,
Speaker 1: if I tell the world that a right wing fascist
Speaker 1: way of doing things doesn't work, no one will listen
Speaker 1: to me. So I'm going to make a perfect fascist world.
Speaker 1: Everyone is beautiful, everything is shiny, everything has big guns
Speaker 1: and fancy ships. But it's only good for killing fucking bugs.
Speaker 1: That's great. Wow, Well I think that's a good way
Speaker 1: to end. Um. I'm yeah, I'm I'm glad we got
Speaker 1: to cover this. And um, yeah, I hope people who
Speaker 1: you know, like you said the Facebook comments were really
Speaker 1: positive about it, so I'm excited to hear what people
Speaker 1: think about the episode. But you haven't revisited it or
Speaker 1: watched it at all. Check it out and and I'm
Speaker 1: curious to hear what you think. Yeah, it's on Netflix.
Speaker 1: A lot of people have Netflix, so check out. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's right. I don't know if it's streaming and Netflix abroad,
Speaker 1: but like in the Netherlands, perhaps perhaps. Yeah. Well, thanks
Speaker 1: for joining me, buddy, and I look forward to another
Speaker 1: one soon. Yeah, me too, Thanks for having me. It's
Speaker 1: always fun to do this, all right, Go watch Starship
Speaker 1: Troopers everyone, and we'll see you next week. Jomy Crush
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