WEBVTT - Part One: Savitri Devi: The Woman Who Turned Nazism into a Religion 0:00:03.200 --> 0:00:10.240 What's esoteric my Hitler isms ship that is two Hitler 0:00:10.640 --> 0:00:16.079 starts in a row. Jesus, well it fits with this episode. 0:00:16.560 --> 0:00:19.400 This is Behind the Bastards podcast about the worst people 0:00:19.400 --> 0:00:22.280 in all of history. I'm Robert Evans, I'm the host 0:00:22.760 --> 0:00:28.360 and my guest today is Jamie him one name. Now, 0:00:28.560 --> 0:00:32.960 I'm the Beyonce of No Billy Wayne's the Beyonce behind 0:00:33.000 --> 0:00:38.199 the Bastards. Yeah, you are the podcaster formerly known as 0:00:38.200 --> 0:00:41.080 the Beyonce behind the Bastards. Yeah, they're the Beyonce of 0:00:41.159 --> 0:00:46.440 my heart. Thank you. Yeah, there we go, Here we go. Jamie, 0:00:46.479 --> 0:00:50.239 how are you doing today? I'm good. I'm good. I uh, 0:00:50.520 --> 0:00:52.880 I think that that's true. I'm good. I have to 0:00:52.920 --> 0:00:54.520 add I have to add it probably good. I have 0:00:54.600 --> 0:00:57.040 to add a bag to my Spirit Airlines flight. But 0:00:57.120 --> 0:01:00.640 that's about as as challenging as it's getting to day. 0:01:01.360 --> 0:01:04.920 Speaking of monsters, that is the greatest monster of all 0:01:06.360 --> 0:01:09.399 online interface. You had to like swipe your credit card 0:01:09.440 --> 0:01:14.959 if you sneeze on a Spirit our Lines. I have 0:01:15.120 --> 0:01:17.520 this friend, his name is Lenny, and he listens to 0:01:17.560 --> 0:01:20.080 the podcast so he may hear this. And Lenny is 0:01:20.480 --> 0:01:23.400 uh one of the one of the most experienced travelers 0:01:23.440 --> 0:01:25.440 I know, and at one point I was taking a 0:01:25.520 --> 0:01:28.440 flight with him in Eastern Europe to Ukraine through whizz Air, 0:01:28.520 --> 0:01:32.680 which is one of the worst airlines I've heard. Yeah, 0:01:32.720 --> 0:01:36.840 they're terrible. Never had the pleasure. There was a moment 0:01:36.840 --> 0:01:39.319 where they started hassling us about our bags, and it 0:01:39.360 --> 0:01:41.200 became clear that we weren't going to be able to 0:01:41.240 --> 0:01:43.679 like fit everything like that, we were going to have 0:01:43.720 --> 0:01:45.920 to take stuff out. And the line from him that 0:01:45.959 --> 0:01:48.680 I'll never forget was I guess, well, I guess I'm 0:01:48.680 --> 0:01:53.200 wearing all my pants today. I've heard multiple pairs of 0:01:53.280 --> 0:01:55.760 fans on how if you're not going on to a 0:01:55.800 --> 0:02:00.200 Spirit Airlines flight wearing five jackets? Like, what are you 0:02:00.280 --> 0:02:05.600 even you yourself? I've been on a Spirit Airlines right 0:02:05.680 --> 0:02:10.800 eye next to like an actively drunk person multiple times. 0:02:11.120 --> 0:02:16.360 That's just normal, I know. But yeah, you're right, you 0:02:16.400 --> 0:02:20.040 haven't wept. If you haven't wept and thrown things away, 0:02:20.639 --> 0:02:23.600 well waiting to get in line at Spirit Airlines, have 0:02:23.760 --> 0:02:31.120 you even have flown? We've gotten off topic, Um, very 0:02:31.120 --> 0:02:35.320 off topic, Jamie. Yes, have you ever heard of Savitri Devi? 0:02:37.360 --> 0:02:39.880 Oh good, oh boy, Jamie, you are in for a 0:02:40.000 --> 0:02:46.040 motherfucking treat. I love when you don't tell me in advance. Okay, Okay, Yeah, 0:02:46.320 --> 0:02:49.280 this is one I'm going to guess almost nobody listening 0:02:49.320 --> 0:02:51.119 to has heard of. But she's one of the most 0:02:51.160 --> 0:02:55.160 important people for understanding where we are right now in 0:02:55.200 --> 0:02:59.040 the year um like the most the most recent headline 0:02:59.080 --> 0:03:01.079 that ties directly to is you remember when the FBI 0:03:01.200 --> 0:03:03.440 arrested all those members of the base, that that neo 0:03:03.520 --> 0:03:05.720 Nazi group that's plenty to start a second Civil War 0:03:05.840 --> 0:03:09.000 by randomly firing into a crowd in Virginia that was 0:03:09.000 --> 0:03:14.280 full of armed people, that whole, that whole hullabaloo. Yeah, 0:03:14.320 --> 0:03:17.160 well she's kind of behind all that, although she died 0:03:17.240 --> 0:03:22.040 decades before it happened. So that's today's story. Let's do it. 0:03:23.600 --> 0:03:26.639 So now, Jamie, we're gonna start like we start every 0:03:26.680 --> 0:03:30.440 good day by talking about our old buddy. Shouldn't call 0:03:30.520 --> 0:03:33.320 him a buddy, Adolf Hitler. It's weird because I can 0:03:33.400 --> 0:03:35.520 call Stalin a buddy, but I feel like calling Hitler 0:03:35.520 --> 0:03:37.280 a buddies a bridge too far. I don't know. On 0:03:37.320 --> 0:03:39.040 this show. I feel like they are just rules that 0:03:39.080 --> 0:03:42.680 are different. Yeah, they're they're old friends. At this point, 0:03:42.760 --> 0:03:49.240 so Hitler was he was a secular ruler, Jamie. Um, 0:03:49.280 --> 0:03:51.360 he was not a not a not a not a 0:03:51.880 --> 0:03:53.840 like I think, I think there's a lot of misconceptions 0:03:53.840 --> 0:03:56.880 about kind of the nature of his power and like 0:03:57.040 --> 0:03:59.400 his regime because of all of these like History Channel 0:03:59.440 --> 0:04:02.200 documentary is in this industry of books on Nazi occult 0:04:02.240 --> 0:04:05.320 history and like Nazi magic and the hell Boy movies. 0:04:06.040 --> 0:04:08.400 But like to hear it, yeah yeah, I mean they're 0:04:08.400 --> 0:04:11.000 great movies, at least one of them is. But um, 0:04:11.040 --> 0:04:14.520 like this idea that like, you know, the Nazis were 0:04:14.600 --> 0:04:17.680 like full full of magic, right, and that Hitler like 0:04:17.720 --> 0:04:21.880 believed all sorts of like weird cookie occult stuff about 0:04:21.920 --> 0:04:25.400 like raising the dead and aliens and ship and it's 0:04:25.440 --> 0:04:28.880 just not true. Um, there were some funky occult ties 0:04:28.960 --> 0:04:32.599 to national socialism, but they were phrase oh yeah, yeah, 0:04:32.680 --> 0:04:38.400 oh yeah, cult ties, yeah baby yeah, But they weren't 0:04:38.400 --> 0:04:41.159 to Hitler. They were too like kind of like side figures. 0:04:41.200 --> 0:04:43.520 Like the B List of the Nazis. A lot of 0:04:43.560 --> 0:04:45.760 those guys were kind of into the occult. But like 0:04:45.800 --> 0:04:49.679 your A listers, really we're we're pretty secular. Guy Beyonce 0:04:49.960 --> 0:04:54.159 is the Nazi. Beyonce is I'm trying to think of 0:04:54.240 --> 0:04:58.719 like like the Nazi Jeremy Renners, the halls. Oh, how 0:04:58.839 --> 0:05:02.160 dare you speak is name in this forum? I thought 0:05:02.160 --> 0:05:04.760 we was. We made a pact to never speak of 0:05:04.839 --> 0:05:09.400 him again. We we never signed that contract. We never did. 0:05:09.720 --> 0:05:13.120 It was under negotiation for a long time. Yeah, it 0:05:13.240 --> 0:05:20.320 is still in arbitration now. The Tulist Society UH spelled 0:05:20.360 --> 0:05:24.479 Thule Society like the top racks on people's jeeps? Was it? Well, 0:05:24.760 --> 0:05:28.760 subers people suberus um. The Tolist Society was a German 0:05:28.760 --> 0:05:32.320 occult group in the early twentieth century UH in Germany UM, 0:05:32.360 --> 0:05:34.600 and it provided some of the early funding and leadership 0:05:34.600 --> 0:05:38.120 for the Nazi Party. Heinrich Hitler held bizarre quasi magical 0:05:38.120 --> 0:05:39.880 beliefs for his whole time in power, and he was 0:05:39.920 --> 0:05:41.320 kind of into some weird He thought he was like 0:05:41.320 --> 0:05:45.320 a reincarnated prince and some ship. But Hitler himself was 0:05:45.360 --> 0:05:49.200 not at all into a cult stuff um. And the 0:05:49.200 --> 0:05:52.000 only guy really close to him who was was Rudolf Hess, 0:05:52.000 --> 0:05:54.040 who was his deputy and for a long time his 0:05:54.120 --> 0:05:55.839 best friend. This is the guy he like co wrote 0:05:55.880 --> 0:05:59.120 mind comp with like Hess and Hitler like fucking type 0:05:59.160 --> 0:06:04.640 before Hitler ghost his his like his ghostwriter, yeah, kind 0:06:04.680 --> 0:06:08.000 of like more like his his muse. Yeah. And also 0:06:08.080 --> 0:06:12.000 the guy who was a competent typist both. I mean, 0:06:12.360 --> 0:06:15.880 you got you gotta if your muse is also a 0:06:15.880 --> 0:06:20.440 competent typist who says the perfect person doesn't exist, Yeah, 0:06:20.560 --> 0:06:23.200 Rudolf hess That's what people say about Rudolph Hess is 0:06:23.240 --> 0:06:27.520 he was the perfect person. So he was also the 0:06:27.560 --> 0:06:32.320 deputy fearer for a while. Oh six six six six six. Yeah, 0:06:32.400 --> 0:06:34.839 he was a cool dude, um, but he wasn't really 0:06:34.880 --> 0:06:37.599 in the picture for very long. He got increasingly marginalized 0:06:37.640 --> 0:06:40.240 after Hitler came to power in thirty three. Um, and 0:06:40.279 --> 0:06:43.159 in nineteen forty one he kind of went bug fuck 0:06:43.480 --> 0:06:46.640 uh and got on a plane and flew to Great 0:06:46.680 --> 0:06:50.960 Britain while the two countries were at war. Sorry, how 0:06:51.000 --> 0:06:55.719 would you define bug fuck? I would have defined bug 0:06:55.760 --> 0:06:59.600 fuck is like independently hopping in your private plane and 0:06:59.720 --> 0:07:02.719 fing to a country that your country is actively bombing 0:07:03.120 --> 0:07:07.040 to try to parachute down and negotiate for peace between 0:07:07.080 --> 0:07:12.520 your two nations without anyone asking. I would describe that 0:07:12.600 --> 0:07:15.760 as pretty bug fuck. Yeah, that's that's not This is 0:07:15.800 --> 0:07:18.160 like a new term for me, and now this is 0:07:18.200 --> 0:07:21.440 the only like reference point I have for it, So 0:07:21.520 --> 0:07:24.960 I'm not going to know how to how to define 0:07:25.040 --> 0:07:27.920 bug funk moving forward. Okay, So bug funk is when 0:07:28.680 --> 0:07:31.440 like the world is falling apart and you're like fuck 0:07:31.480 --> 0:07:33.520 it and you and you go the funk off and 0:07:33.520 --> 0:07:37.080 then you is that it kind of yeah, like it 0:07:37.160 --> 0:07:38.360 was a kind of thing where like there was no 0:07:38.480 --> 0:07:40.280 chance of it ever working. He did not have the 0:07:40.320 --> 0:07:44.040 authority to to to sign a peace treaty for Germany, 0:07:44.160 --> 0:07:47.200 uh and Britain did not have any interest in talking 0:07:47.200 --> 0:07:51.160 with him or making peace with Germany at this point. Um. 0:07:51.200 --> 0:07:54.600 So he basically just flew and crash landed in England 0:07:54.640 --> 0:07:56.880 and got arrested and spent the rest of his life 0:07:56.920 --> 0:08:01.480 in prison. And it was he huge embarrassment for Hitler 0:08:01.520 --> 0:08:03.640 because this this is like his right hand man who 0:08:03.680 --> 0:08:05.480 in the middle of the war like flies to his 0:08:05.600 --> 0:08:09.520 enemies country to like try to negotiate without Hitler's approval. 0:08:09.680 --> 0:08:12.720 It was it was very weird. Um And because hess 0:08:12.760 --> 0:08:15.600 was like this occult dude into astrology and all this 0:08:15.680 --> 0:08:17.920 ship and like this weird he was actually kind of 0:08:17.920 --> 0:08:21.160 like a Buddhist, Like he's a weird dude. Um, but 0:08:21.280 --> 0:08:24.040 because he held all these weird beliefs and he piste 0:08:24.080 --> 0:08:27.280 off Hitler so badly. Hitler bands like all of this 0:08:27.320 --> 0:08:29.760 weird occult ship that had cropped up around the Nazi 0:08:29.840 --> 0:08:34.640 Party in ninety one. So yeah, so after forty one, 0:08:34.720 --> 0:08:37.720 like really most of that stuff is illegal, Heinrich Hitler 0:08:37.720 --> 0:08:39.000 gets up to a little bit of it with the 0:08:39.120 --> 0:08:41.199 s S because he's got a castle and he he's 0:08:41.240 --> 0:08:43.040 just a weird dude. We'll get into some of that 0:08:43.080 --> 0:08:46.120 in a later episode. The important thing to understand is that, like, yeah, 0:08:46.200 --> 0:08:50.360 Hitler was like a distinctly not wooy guy, Like he's 0:08:50.400 --> 0:08:53.400 not a new age sort of dude. He's like if 0:08:53.440 --> 0:08:57.440 you mentioned You're like if he's like the guys on Reddit, 0:08:57.559 --> 0:09:00.480 who like if you mentioned you so much as nine 0:09:00.840 --> 0:09:04.440 your zodiac sign, They're like, she's not credible, she's fun, 0:09:04.800 --> 0:09:09.840 she's a she's lost. Yes, I love that type of person, 0:09:10.640 --> 0:09:13.720 and I I feel confident saying that. A hundred percent 0:09:13.840 --> 0:09:17.840 of Hitler's biographers agree he would have been extremely on Reddit. 0:09:18.480 --> 0:09:21.480 I owe more on Reddit than anyone has ever been 0:09:21.520 --> 0:09:23.920 on Red. Sure. Yeah, no, he would be the most 0:09:23.920 --> 0:09:26.840 reddity guy of of all of them. And we have 0:09:27.000 --> 0:09:33.920 to admit that that is very what's his signs? That's 0:09:34.040 --> 0:09:39.160 very his sign of him. Wouldn't you say, I don't know, 0:09:39.559 --> 0:09:44.800 he's such a Taurus, he's s Taurus. Sure, okay, continue, 0:09:44.880 --> 0:09:49.560 that's I assume you're referring to the maker of really 0:09:49.679 --> 0:09:55.920 shoddy handguns, which is I think they're Brazilian terrible guns. Okay. No, 0:09:56.000 --> 0:09:59.800 I'm just trying to the behind the bastard's board. Not 0:10:00.640 --> 0:10:04.360 either way of advocating the Taurust sign or the Taurist 0:10:04.400 --> 0:10:06.600 firearms brand is not going to go well for you. 0:10:07.360 --> 0:10:14.640 Um um. Yeah. So now Hitler, so he's not into 0:10:14.640 --> 0:10:16.400 the occult at all. He's not a big fan of 0:10:16.480 --> 0:10:19.880 Christianity either. Um. He felt it was fundamentally Jewish because 0:10:20.040 --> 0:10:23.440 Jesus was Jewish, which is, you know, not an irrational 0:10:23.440 --> 0:10:26.720 point of view within the logic of being a Nazi. Uh. 0:10:26.760 --> 0:10:28.840 And he worried a weakened the German people. But he 0:10:28.920 --> 0:10:32.640 also respected Christianity for its ability to inculcate good values 0:10:32.679 --> 0:10:35.200 in the German people. Uh. And the primary good value 0:10:35.240 --> 0:10:38.080 it inculcated was making lots of babies because most Germans 0:10:38.080 --> 0:10:42.440 were Catholic, and Catholics aren't big fans of condoms. I'm 0:10:42.440 --> 0:10:46.160 not not sure if you're aware of that. Um No, 0:10:46.440 --> 0:10:48.920 I know I wouldn't have aunts if it weren't for 0:10:48.960 --> 0:10:54.040 this attitude, none of us would. Now. Hitler himself was 0:10:54.080 --> 0:10:56.720 a baptized Roman Catholic all his life, he probably didn't 0:10:56.720 --> 0:10:59.840 really believe much of anything other than that that Hitler 0:10:59.920 --> 0:11:02.520 was a cool dude. Um, but he felt it was 0:11:02.520 --> 0:11:05.200 important to maintain this image. Um. Now. There were some 0:11:05.240 --> 0:11:08.040 among his followers that it was Nazism's destiny to become 0:11:08.040 --> 0:11:10.880 the new Great German religion, but Hitler himself pushed back 0:11:10.920 --> 0:11:14.640 against this, insisting in mind comp that national socialism quote 0:11:14.720 --> 0:11:17.559 is not a religious reform, but a political reorganization of 0:11:17.600 --> 0:11:20.640 the German people. He believed, quote, it is criminal to 0:11:20.679 --> 0:11:23.240 try to destroy the accepted faith of the people as 0:11:23.240 --> 0:11:25.760 long as there is nothing to replace it. And it 0:11:25.880 --> 0:11:27.920 is possible that given enough time, Hitler would have tried 0:11:27.960 --> 0:11:30.920 to replace Christianity with something else, but he never attempted 0:11:30.960 --> 0:11:32.880 to do so. And as far as we know, the 0:11:33.000 --> 0:11:36.440 supernatural as it's generally known, played very little role in 0:11:36.440 --> 0:11:40.640 the Nazi regime. But and here's where the real episode starts. 0:11:41.160 --> 0:11:43.680 In the decades since Hitler shot himself in that bunker 0:11:43.720 --> 0:11:47.800 in ve Nazism has changed quite a lot the actual 0:11:47.840 --> 0:11:50.520 political and historic beliefs of the original Nazis, and if 0:11:50.600 --> 0:11:53.600 Hitler himself have been twisted and shifted into something even weirder. 0:11:53.880 --> 0:11:55.520 It would be too much to say that this new 0:11:55.520 --> 0:11:58.520 form of Nazism is more dangerous than the original, given 0:11:59.000 --> 0:12:01.160 the tens of millions of people who died from the 0:12:01.160 --> 0:12:05.280 original Nazism, But it's probably accurate to say that the 0:12:05.320 --> 0:12:08.720 fact that Nazism has mutated into what we call esoteric 0:12:08.800 --> 0:12:12.160 hitlersm um has made it better able to survive in 0:12:12.200 --> 0:12:15.880 the era of the Internet. Now. Esoteric hitler Ism is 0:12:15.920 --> 0:12:17.960 a term used to refer to a number of different 0:12:17.960 --> 0:12:21.160 strains of postwar Nazi thought that put a bizarre religious 0:12:21.160 --> 0:12:24.920 and occult spin on Nazi racial theories and on Hitler himself, 0:12:25.240 --> 0:12:28.319 often seeing the man as essentially the avatar of a god. 0:12:28.920 --> 0:12:31.200 Uh four Chan and eight Chan are in the modern age, 0:12:31.240 --> 0:12:33.880 two of the most prolific vectors for this the spread 0:12:33.920 --> 0:12:36.320 of this brand of nonsense. There are strains of it 0:12:36.400 --> 0:12:40.920 in Brenton Terrence Manifesto and Honor's Brevick's Manifesto. And today 0:12:41.040 --> 0:12:43.160 we're talking about the woman who invented all of this, 0:12:43.600 --> 0:12:46.079 the single person who became the living link between the 0:12:46.160 --> 0:12:48.960 Nazism that tried and failed to conquer Europe and the 0:12:49.000 --> 0:12:52.120 modern Nazi movement that spawns mass shootings and attempted mass 0:12:52.120 --> 0:12:55.720 shootings on a monthly basis today. Her name was Savitri 0:12:55.840 --> 0:12:58.520 Devi and she was a huge piece of ship. This 0:12:58.600 --> 0:13:03.359 is someone's feminism somewhere. This is some piece of ships feminism. 0:13:03.960 --> 0:13:09.600 She is a feminist icon. Feminism is the law. Now. 0:13:09.679 --> 0:13:12.400 This is a woman who spent her whole life living 0:13:12.440 --> 0:13:16.640 alone with a pile of cats and changing Nazism forever. Okay, 0:13:16.679 --> 0:13:18.880 well what if she just did the first half? You know, 0:13:19.840 --> 0:13:22.439 that was not she was not willing to do just 0:13:22.480 --> 0:13:25.480 the first She's like, okay, so I'm in a pile 0:13:25.520 --> 0:13:28.480 of cats, that's great, what else could I do? And 0:13:28.480 --> 0:13:30.600 that was her second idea. That's embarrassed, that was her 0:13:30.640 --> 0:13:34.920 second idea. It does she does start first focused on 0:13:34.960 --> 0:13:39.520 the cats and then moved straight to Nazism though. It's remarkable. Yeah. 0:13:41.040 --> 0:13:46.560 So she was born Maximiani Portas on September nine five 0:13:46.679 --> 0:13:50.679 in Lyon, France. Her mother, Julia, came from Cornwall, the 0:13:50.679 --> 0:13:53.400 town with the thirty six dumbest name in all of England. 0:13:53.760 --> 0:13:57.280 Her father's ancestry was a milange of various Mediterranean peoples 0:13:57.320 --> 0:14:00.320 without access to birth control. He was mostly at Allian 0:14:00.400 --> 0:14:03.840 in Greek. Although young Maximiani was born a French citizen, 0:14:04.240 --> 0:14:07.439 she latched onto her father's Greek ancestry from the very beginning. 0:14:08.080 --> 0:14:09.400 Some of this had to do with the fact that 0:14:09.480 --> 0:14:12.320 Leon had a large and active Greek expat community, and 0:14:12.360 --> 0:14:14.920 her dad was a prominent member of it. She also 0:14:15.000 --> 0:14:18.959 nursed an early fascination with Roman history. Her name Maximiani 0:14:19.280 --> 0:14:22.560 was actually just the female form of Maximian, the proper 0:14:22.600 --> 0:14:25.480 first name of the emperor Marcus Aurelius. So she's up. 0:14:25.840 --> 0:14:28.440 She's a big old nerd. I really have to emphasize 0:14:28.480 --> 0:14:30.680 what a nerd she is. I feel like I've met 0:14:31.320 --> 0:14:34.640 versions of this girl in like sophomore English classes and 0:14:34.640 --> 0:14:38.280 they're like, actually something something, and you're like stop at 0:14:38.440 --> 0:14:42.080 stop that, please, just like finish reading. Their eyes were 0:14:42.080 --> 0:14:46.000 watching God, let's move on. I was the male version 0:14:46.080 --> 0:14:47.880 of this for a while. I mean I took three 0:14:47.960 --> 0:14:51.840 years of Latin because I was such a Roman history nerd. Okay, Robert. 0:14:51.880 --> 0:14:53.640 Some of us took five years of Latin, and do 0:14:53.720 --> 0:14:57.000 we remember a fucking thing? Of course? Not? No, no, 0:14:57.200 --> 0:15:00.560 I not not a goddamn word. I like when I 0:15:00.600 --> 0:15:02.840 was in high school, in junior high, in high school, 0:15:02.840 --> 0:15:04.920 if you were like in the quote unquote advanced classes, 0:15:04.920 --> 0:15:06.680 they would be like, let's teach them a language that 0:15:06.680 --> 0:15:11.120 they can't use. Goddamn totally useless term. Did you have 0:15:11.120 --> 0:15:13.720 to me? That's one of those. But did you have 0:15:13.720 --> 0:15:16.600 to use that textbook that was about the Romani family? 0:15:16.640 --> 0:15:20.000 Did you do a Romanti? Oh no, no man. I 0:15:20.080 --> 0:15:23.360 was like fucking Killius and Quintus. I remember those names. 0:15:23.400 --> 0:15:26.000 They were like the fucking It was like a bunch 0:15:26.000 --> 0:15:28.600 of Pompeii people who all died at the end of 0:15:28.600 --> 0:15:32.720 the book. Are everyone died at the end of our textbook? Wait? 0:15:32.880 --> 0:15:37.720 Was it like we had? We had the Cornelia family. 0:15:37.800 --> 0:15:41.640 It was like Cornelia and her brother Marcus, and then 0:15:41.640 --> 0:15:44.280 they had a friend named Sextus who they sound like 0:15:44.400 --> 0:15:49.960 fucking losers. They weren't. It was there. Your your family 0:15:50.000 --> 0:15:52.280 sounds way better because our family There was like three 0:15:52.320 --> 0:15:55.360 books in total, and the whole second book, So like 0:15:55.440 --> 0:15:58.320 all of eighth and ninth grade they're just stuck in 0:15:58.360 --> 0:16:00.880 a ditch. They're like in a it. Their carriage isn't 0:16:00.880 --> 0:16:03.440 a ditch. They can't get out. They're staying at an inn. 0:16:03.600 --> 0:16:05.960 The innkeepers yelling at them. They're stuck in a ditch. 0:16:05.960 --> 0:16:07.960 They're stuck in a did for a whole month. And 0:16:08.000 --> 0:16:10.960 then they go to Rome and and everything is fine. 0:16:11.000 --> 0:16:16.040 It sounds like a nightmare. Second, well, yeah, nightmare, so horrible. 0:16:16.880 --> 0:16:19.440 Maximiani would have gotten a lot. Well, no, she wouldn't have. 0:16:19.480 --> 0:16:21.240 She would have been the most annoying person in our 0:16:21.320 --> 0:16:24.880 Latin class. Yeah. I don't like when people are in 0:16:24.960 --> 0:16:27.160 the Latin class and they're also like into it, and 0:16:27.160 --> 0:16:30.320 I'm like, m, we should be learning. We didn't have 0:16:30.360 --> 0:16:33.320 to learn to pronounce anything right. You never had to 0:16:33.400 --> 0:16:38.280 speak because there was a crassical reason to speak it. Well, 0:16:38.320 --> 0:16:41.760 no one knows either, like you've got ecclesiastical Latin, but 0:16:41.800 --> 0:16:43.640 there's no way to know if it was exactly the 0:16:43.680 --> 0:16:45.360 same as with the Roman spoke. So we just didn't 0:16:45.400 --> 0:16:48.120 give a ship. It was great. Yeah, my teacher Ms. 0:16:48.160 --> 0:16:50.080 Cook would come and she would what was the thing? 0:16:50.200 --> 0:16:54.760 She would say. She was like, um, okay, discipuli at 0:16:55.160 --> 0:17:00.000 this descipula like She's like, hello, students, let's learn Julie 0:17:00.160 --> 0:17:02.680 is Caesar, and then we would just talk about how 0:17:02.680 --> 0:17:07.480 the family was stuck in the ditch all day. Well, 0:17:07.640 --> 0:17:10.719 Maximiani spent her young life stuck in that ditch, and 0:17:10.720 --> 0:17:14.080 that ditch was called being a huge nerd for Mediterranean 0:17:14.119 --> 0:17:19.560 classical civilizations. She was a strong willed child, which here 0:17:19.640 --> 0:17:22.600 is a synonym for unspeakably arrogant and a giant pain 0:17:22.640 --> 0:17:29.320 in the ass. She felt strongly about just about everything. Everything. Yeah, 0:17:29.520 --> 0:17:34.120 strong willed. She was known to be utterly immovable once 0:17:34.160 --> 0:17:37.560 she latched onto an idea. One strong opinion she developed 0:17:37.560 --> 0:17:40.720 early was that British people were terrible, which is not inaccurate. 0:17:41.280 --> 0:17:43.439 She hated her mother's English friends and the way they 0:17:43.480 --> 0:17:49.240 prattled on about illnesses and their dying families. Harsh. That's 0:17:49.400 --> 0:17:52.280 so harsh, Like I wish my family wasn't. She's like, 0:17:52.400 --> 0:17:58.960 shut Jesus Christ, Yeah, we get it. She didn't like 0:17:59.040 --> 0:18:01.879 French people very much much either, and the particular cause 0:18:01.960 --> 0:18:04.480 for her hatred of the French was the French Revolution. 0:18:04.720 --> 0:18:06.560 She read about it as a little girl in school 0:18:06.560 --> 0:18:10.600 and was instantly furious. The Republican ideals of equality, liberty, 0:18:10.600 --> 0:18:13.720 and fraternity disgusted her. She was punished at school for 0:18:13.800 --> 0:18:16.640 making an obscene gesture at a plaque of the Declaration 0:18:16.680 --> 0:18:20.000 of the Rights of Man. And again, how she's like 0:18:20.119 --> 0:18:22.840 eight or nine. Yeah, she's like a fucking little kid 0:18:22.880 --> 0:18:28.680 at this point. Yeah. The Declaration of the Rights of Man, 0:18:28.840 --> 0:18:33.359 which small child Savitri Devi flipped off, includes such controversial 0:18:33.400 --> 0:18:36.879 takes as people are innocent until proven guilty, people have 0:18:36.960 --> 0:18:40.280 the right to liberty, property, security, and resistance to oppression, 0:18:40.560 --> 0:18:44.359 and people should be able to speak and write with freedom. 0:18:45.200 --> 0:18:51.320 Some real hot She's okay, So she was like born 0:18:51.440 --> 0:18:55.520 to be harmful, she was born to be a fascist. 0:18:55.720 --> 0:18:58.520 Like she as a small child, She's like, people aren't equal? 0:18:58.560 --> 0:19:03.720 What is this bullshit? That's so the little flipping off 0:19:03.880 --> 0:19:07.439 to human rights? You do you do feel like we 0:19:07.480 --> 0:19:10.480 should have known? We should have known. I mean, I 0:19:10.560 --> 0:19:14.000 love flipping off old documents too, But to me, it's 0:19:14.040 --> 0:19:16.560 the magna carta, and the magna carta knows why. The 0:19:16.600 --> 0:19:20.480 magna carta knows what she did. Oh yeah, the Manacarta 0:19:20.680 --> 0:19:23.440 shakes in her boots whenever you come walk. The Magna 0:19:23.520 --> 0:19:26.200 Carta is a messy bitch, and I have no time 0:19:26.240 --> 0:19:30.159 for it. Okay, Robert, g I can't believe you just 0:19:30.240 --> 0:19:35.200 called a female document of bitch a messy. You're setting 0:19:35.240 --> 0:19:41.720 a bad example, Robert. Feminism is document misogyny. She's she's 0:19:41.840 --> 0:19:47.439 literally shaking right now. She's here. You didn't tell me 0:19:47.480 --> 0:19:50.000 the magna carta was in the room to She's literally 0:19:50.119 --> 0:19:54.359 she drove me here. Horrible. She's, well, I don't have 0:19:54.520 --> 0:19:57.080 driver's license. I don't know what you want. I don't 0:19:57.080 --> 0:19:59.439 know how much further to take this bit. So I'm 0:19:59.480 --> 0:20:03.960 just kinda Later in life, in nineteen Savitri Devi told 0:20:04.000 --> 0:20:06.840 an interviewer a beautiful girl is not equal to an 0:20:06.920 --> 0:20:09.719 ugly girl. So she remained pretty consistent about her belief 0:20:09.720 --> 0:20:13.280 in the fundamental inequality of human beings, like her whole life. 0:20:13.280 --> 0:20:17.920 And she's getting really granular about it too. Yeah, she's 0:20:17.920 --> 0:20:23.119 granular about sucking everything now. Chief motivating factor in her childhood, 0:20:23.160 --> 0:20:27.119 I have to say, was completely understandable. She felt a deep, 0:20:27.320 --> 0:20:30.359 powerful sense of rage at the abuse of animals by 0:20:30.440 --> 0:20:33.920 human beings, starting at age five. Yeah, starting at age five, 0:20:34.000 --> 0:20:36.520 she began expressing to her parents concern at the abuse 0:20:36.520 --> 0:20:39.040 of animals she witnessed in a daily basis. She was 0:20:39.080 --> 0:20:42.040 horrified by circuses, the fur trade, and the eating of meat. 0:20:42.320 --> 0:20:45.240 While still in elementary school, she became a committed vegetarian 0:20:45.280 --> 0:20:49.760 and eventually a vegan. Maximiani Portas was particularly disgusted by 0:20:49.760 --> 0:20:52.640 the abuse of cats by peasants on the French countryside. 0:20:53.040 --> 0:20:57.040 Her only real biographer, Nicolas Goodrick Clark, claims this quote 0:20:57.119 --> 0:21:00.639 disgusted her and turned her against manned kind. And since 0:21:00.720 --> 0:21:03.120 most people listening probably don't know anything about the history 0:21:03.160 --> 0:21:05.320 of cat torture in Europe, I didn't know anything about 0:21:05.359 --> 0:21:07.359 the history of cat torture in Europe. I'm gonna have 0:21:07.400 --> 0:21:12.359 to talk about that now for a little while. Like 0:21:12.440 --> 0:21:16.040 specific to this region, cat torture all of Europe, really, 0:21:16.080 --> 0:21:21.600 but like, yeah, specifically to France. Like the French hate cats, Okay, listen, 0:21:21.680 --> 0:21:27.080 they are assholes about cats. Yeah. Uh. Today we rightly 0:21:27.119 --> 0:21:30.320 revere cats as our moral and intellectual superiors, and we 0:21:30.359 --> 0:21:33.000 have organized or society around pleasing them. This is right 0:21:33.040 --> 0:21:35.000 and good. But cats have not always been beloved in 0:21:35.040 --> 0:21:38.639 the West. While they are considered basically wholly in Islam, 0:21:38.680 --> 0:21:41.200 they're like ritually clean, like you can have them in 0:21:41.200 --> 0:21:43.240 in mosques and stuff all over the place. You have 0:21:43.280 --> 0:21:45.080 to wash your hands after touching them if you're gonna 0:21:45.080 --> 0:21:48.240 go pray. There's a long Christian tradition of seeing cats 0:21:48.240 --> 0:21:51.720 as demonic entities. Uh. And to be fair, Islam is 0:21:51.760 --> 0:21:53.879 kind of shitty on the subject of dogs. So I 0:21:53.880 --> 0:21:56.359 guess whatever of the big religions you pick, you're gonna 0:21:56.400 --> 0:21:59.240 be terrible to one of the good animals. I don't 0:21:59.280 --> 0:22:03.800 know why. Yeah, it's weird. Now. In the fifteenth century, Edward, 0:22:03.880 --> 0:22:06.960 Duke of York, announced that if the devil inhabited any 0:22:07.000 --> 0:22:10.200 living animal, it was the cat, and for centuries all 0:22:10.200 --> 0:22:13.440 around Europe, good Christians tortured and murdered cats for almost 0:22:13.440 --> 0:22:17.520 no reason. In Belgium, they held an event called caton Stote, 0:22:17.680 --> 0:22:20.800 the Festival of Cats, which sounds awesome but actually just 0:22:20.880 --> 0:22:23.680 involved drunken townsfolk throwing cats from the top of the 0:22:23.760 --> 0:22:29.400 church onto hard cobble stones and then lighting them on fire. Yeah, 0:22:29.440 --> 0:22:32.520 I hey, okay. It's always really frustrating when you hear 0:22:32.560 --> 0:22:35.159 a story about the underclass and it's like you're playing 0:22:35.200 --> 0:22:42.520 to stereotypes about the underclass. Yeah, yeah, I mean, I'm 0:22:42.520 --> 0:22:44.399 gonna be honest. I bet the rich people got to 0:22:44.440 --> 0:22:48.120 go up first and throw the nicest cats just to set. Yeah, 0:22:48.160 --> 0:22:51.520 and then and then they would privately be throwing cats 0:22:51.560 --> 0:22:56.240 at hard marble floors as well. My god, it's horrible. 0:22:56.520 --> 0:22:59.840 And Catton Stot still still takes place in Epra every May, 0:23:00.080 --> 0:23:03.479 but they use stuffed animals now, which just stop, just 0:23:03.480 --> 0:23:05.800 just stop. It's not a good tradition. It would be 0:23:05.880 --> 0:23:08.160 so easy to not do it. It would be so 0:23:08.280 --> 0:23:11.760 easy they do. Do they eat the cat? Like? Do 0:23:11.840 --> 0:23:13.760 they or is it just we're just killing the cats? 0:23:14.200 --> 0:23:17.280 Not that that makes no, they're just murdering cats for 0:23:17.359 --> 0:23:20.119