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Speaker 1: presented by DASH Radio. Thank you guys for coming to

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Speaker 1: hang out on a Wednesday, easily, in my opinion, the

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Speaker 1: most frustrating loss of the season when you factor in,

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Speaker 1: you know, the the last few days and everything that's happened.

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Speaker 1: But before we get too far into it, rog how

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Speaker 1: you doing, buddy, I've been better. You know, this was

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Speaker 1: one that, uh definitely kills your spirit. And I should

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Speaker 1: have known. It's a pretty bad omen when you get

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Speaker 1: your best win of the year, right, even on the

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Speaker 1: basketball courts, there were things you see that's positive. And

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Speaker 1: the next day, none of the conversation was about basketball, right,

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Speaker 1: it was about Frank Vogel. And you know, I'm sure

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Speaker 1: he's the he might be even more of the star

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Speaker 1: quote unquote star of the nine in terms of who's

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Speaker 1: the main character of this game. But yeah, man, that

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Speaker 1: was a frustrating one. Definitely one that will uh that's

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Speaker 1: gonna haunt the team. And I'm curious where we go

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Speaker 1: from here. Uh, this is a bad Indiana team. Man.

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Speaker 1: I think they're like fifteen games under five or something

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Speaker 1: that we'll get into it. But yeah, it's a spirit

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Speaker 1: killing one. Man, I feel like we had something to

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Speaker 1: build on. I kept tweeting, keep building, man, and we didn't.

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Speaker 1: We stopped building in that third quarter. How are you?

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Speaker 1: How are you doing though? Man? How are you? I'm

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Speaker 1: doing good? Good. I My high school team lost at

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Speaker 1: the Buzzer last night. Was pretty frustrating. But it's a

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Speaker 1: couple of rough losses in a row. But anyway, our

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Speaker 1: friend Jason Maples tweeted out that, uh that Indiana hasn't

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Speaker 1: won a road game since before Thanksgiving, So you're absolutely

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Speaker 1: right that it's a bad loss. They're missing their starting

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Speaker 1: center start Miles Turner. Man, it's a bad team. I

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Speaker 1: So I came into tonight with the goal for you

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Speaker 1: and me before we watched the game, you know, I

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Speaker 1: was like, Hey, well, I think the Lakers are gonna

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Speaker 1: beat the Pacers, and we'll talk a little bit about that,

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Speaker 1: but it's not a super interesting games, so we'll probably

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Speaker 1: spend the last half of the show talking about this

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Speaker 1: athletic article. Yeah, and everything centering around the flip Frank Vogel, uh,

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Speaker 1: you know, potential firing that was allegedly in the works,

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Speaker 1: and and you know, I defended Frank because I said

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Speaker 1: you know, he hasn't been perfect. I don't agree with

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Speaker 1: everything that he's done this year, But that said, in

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Speaker 1: recent months, he's done a little bit of a better

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Speaker 1: job of kind of adapting to some of the better

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Speaker 1: elements of his roster. And most importantly, you know, I

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Speaker 1: was more concerned about buying than anything else. That's something

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Speaker 1: I've consistently said here, like, no matter what, if, even

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Speaker 1: if Frank has all of the best ideas, if the

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Speaker 1: guys in the locker room don't listen to him, then

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Speaker 1: it's worthless, right, you know, like even if it's just

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Speaker 1: it's just it's just just untenable in those circumstances. But

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Speaker 1: tonight was I thought Frank's worst game of the season

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Speaker 1: in terms of rotation decision making, which is absolutely inexcusable

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Speaker 1: under the circumstances. So let's just let's just put it.

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Speaker 1: Let's just make it real simple for everybody. If you

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Speaker 1: didn't watch the Utah Jazz game, the Utah Jazz actually

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Speaker 1: beat the ship out of us, with the exception of

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Speaker 1: a fifteen minute stretch. In In this fifteen minute stretch,

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Speaker 1: Russ was on the bench, Avery Bradley was on the bench,

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Speaker 1: Carmelo Anthony wasn't even playing. Dwight Howard was on the bench.

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Speaker 1: It was Lebron James, an undrafted free agent rookie in

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Speaker 1: Austin Reaves a failed lottery pick, and Stanley Johnson that

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Speaker 1: was out of the league, another failed lottery pick. And

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Speaker 1: Malik Monk who would have been out of the league

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Speaker 1: had the Lakers not offered him a contract and Taylor

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Speaker 1: Horton Tucker, a second round pick. But there was something

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Speaker 1: unique about those four guys. They played their ass off

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Speaker 1: the you know, Malik isn't necessarily big, but he is

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Speaker 1: Utah's actions, forced them to isolate. And on the other end,

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Speaker 1: now for how they save Frank's john But you know,

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Speaker 1: I was actually chatting privately with my buddy Sam from

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Speaker 1: Laker Film Room or excuse me from Light Years with

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Speaker 1: you know, I was like, hey, just you know, like,

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Speaker 1: I don't know if you watched that game, but there

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Speaker 1: was a lot of bad mixed in there. And it's

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Speaker 1: just the reality of this roster. There are good players,

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Speaker 1: the NBA standards, but they're a hell of a lot

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Speaker 1: into this game once again starting three of our worst players,

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Speaker 1: Dwight Howard, Trevor Reason, Avery Bradley. They're NBA players, but

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Speaker 1: their fringe NBA players, and we're starting them. So you're

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Speaker 1: Frank didn't even use it tonight. That's inexcusable. That is

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Speaker 1: absolutely inexcusable to go into the fourth quarter with the

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Speaker 1: bringing a guy who's been out with a back injury,

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Speaker 1: Why won't we shoot well? Because he hasn't played basketball

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Speaker 1: in what a week? Insane? He played thirty minutes tonight

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Speaker 1: tonight and Stanley Stanley was the m v P on Monday.

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Speaker 1: He was the best player on the floor in the

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Speaker 1: can't stand here anymore and defend Frank Vogel when you

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Speaker 1: do that yourself apotaging my guy. If you are jobless tomorrow,

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Speaker 1: it's your fault. I can't. I can't help you anymore.

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Speaker 1: But come on, man, Like that was and that's that.

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Speaker 1: That fourth quarter rotation is only a small part of

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Speaker 1: the rotation mismanagement. Tonight, I thought it was completely inexcusable.

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Speaker 1: And again, like I have absolutely no sympathy, absolutely no

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Speaker 1: bigger um, not apologist, but trying to, you know, bring

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Speaker 1: And I guess you can start from the beginning of

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Speaker 1: this year, right, and we have a roster that has

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Speaker 1: flipped over twice now, right, Frank Vogel has gone into

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Speaker 1: three separate training camps with three totally different type of rosters.

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Speaker 1: I guess you can say the core came back from

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Speaker 1: the title team, but this is a totally different team.

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Speaker 1: It's a totally different roster, and he hasn't adjusted in

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Speaker 1: the lineup tonight were absolutely unforgivable. I think Carmelo again

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Speaker 1: you're right, man, there's no forgiving this one, Like this

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Speaker 1: is what you can't lose at home to an Indiana

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Speaker 1: I went back and rewatched that one, discarded everything that

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Speaker 1: you know, what's crazy about that Jason, Like there's so

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Speaker 1: much in there that work, and there was so much like,

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Speaker 1: oh this is real, you know what I mean? And again,

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Speaker 1: Stanley's on the ten day, but his you know, archetype fits.

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Speaker 1: We should be switching everything, and instead we played Carmelo

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Speaker 1: do that if you have all the other guys can switch.

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Speaker 1: You want to switch to through five, that's fine. But

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Speaker 1: you know we had you know, we had lineups out

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Speaker 1: center next to Stanley Johnson, which completely takes away the

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Speaker 1: whole reasoning for small ball, right, Like the whole point

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Speaker 1: you know, and again not to blame Carmel and Anthony,

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Speaker 1: But we just he just doesn't fit into a switching scheme.

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Speaker 1: And you know, I think what stands out the most tonight,

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Speaker 1: and we're both not people who think plus minus is

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Speaker 1: the greatest barometer, right, but Lebron James tonight Lebron was

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Speaker 1: eleven for twenty two, played thirty seven minutes in this one.

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Speaker 1: Uh he had twelve rebounds, five assists, uh is, three turnovers,

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Speaker 1: two steals. He was a minus twenty Jason minus twenty.

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Speaker 1: It was Lebron tonight in thirty seven minutes, and he

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Speaker 1: And you know, our youth just jumps out the page, right,

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Speaker 1: It just and I don't get why all like all

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Speaker 1: keep lineups together. Right. It's why even if d White

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Speaker 1: We're five hundred. We need to get wins. We are

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Speaker 1: not at a position to be experimenting anymore. We're forty two,

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Speaker 1: we're just having basketball points of uh points of failure, right,

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Speaker 1: I think it's shocking that we bench Russell Westbrook tonight.

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Speaker 1: I think that's something really interesting. Uh. He didn't play

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Speaker 1: first time Frank Vogel. You know sat Russell Westbrook, I

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Speaker 1: have been higher. I can't complain, but Stanley at sixteen

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Speaker 1: And you know, I would understand playing Carmelo thirty minutes

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Speaker 1: other bigger issues here. But you know, the lineups were awful,

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Speaker 1: Like there's no forgiving that. And I don't know where

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Speaker 1: I think I think Vogel is probably the best defensive

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Speaker 1: of honor, even if he's stubborn in his approach. That

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Speaker 1: is his big strength. But he does not he what

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Speaker 1: the problem with Frank And this is what Avery Bradley

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Speaker 1: and that's chasing guys over the top of ball screens,

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Speaker 1: which is fundamental to Frank's defensive scheme. So that's the

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Speaker 1: don't switch it because Frank is paranoid about defensive rebounding.

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Speaker 1: You know, even though the whole philosophy of small ball

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Speaker 1: positive trade off. We're going to force you to play

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Speaker 1: So I gotta go with Avery like that philosophy is

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Speaker 1: like that's basically what he's doing right now, and as

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Speaker 1: he should because you know, like like dude, you're on

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Speaker 1: your way out, like it's over. This is this was

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Speaker 1: the last straw. Hey, guys, So we ended up if

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Speaker 1: for those of you who are in the spaces, we

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Speaker 1: which was really unfortunate. It crashed right after this Westbrook

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Speaker 1: the rest of the topics, I'm keeping this as part one.

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Speaker 1: Part two tomorrow will be Roger and I discussing Russell

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Speaker 1: Westbrook and then diving back into Frank and doing a

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Speaker 1: eulogy on Frank of sorts. But then at the same time,

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Speaker 1: the end of the show is us reacting to the

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Speaker 1: news that Frank is in fact going to keep his

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Speaker 1: job at least for the time being in fly to Orlando.

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Speaker 1: So very interesting. Part two coming that will air let's say,

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Speaker 1: at five pm Mountain Standard time on Thursday. Thank you

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Speaker 1: guys as always for your support. We will see you

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