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Speaker 1: Hey, and welcome to the short Stuff. I'm Josh, and

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Speaker 1: there's Chuck and Jerry's here sitting in for Dave. So

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Speaker 1: this is an official bonafide short stuff.

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Speaker 2: That's right big thanks to History of Bread dot com,

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Speaker 2: History dot com, oral prints at houstuffworks dot com, and

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Speaker 2: the surprisingly instructive Goldmetal Bakery dot Com.

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Speaker 1: I also want to shout out Mental Flaws and Zachary

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Speaker 1: Krockeatt on Pricenomics.

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Speaker 2: Great because this is about slice bread. That you've heard

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Speaker 2: the term, of course, the best thing since slice bread.

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Speaker 2: And oddly enough, well not oddly, but slice bread has

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Speaker 2: been around less than one hundred years, even though bread

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Speaker 2: has been around for tens of thousands of years.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think in either a bread episode or a

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Speaker 1: beer episode, we explored whether or not bread was created

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Speaker 1: to make beer portable, a beer starter portable. But regardless,

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Speaker 1: it's been around for a very very long time. And

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Speaker 1: yet would you say thirty thousand years?

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Speaker 2: I said tens of thousands, But yeah, that's a little

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Speaker 2: more specific.

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Speaker 1: Okay, let's say bread was invented thirty thousand years ago.

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Speaker 1: It took twenty nine nine hundred years before this point

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Speaker 1: for somebody to think of pre sliced bread or if

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Speaker 1: they thought of it to actually follow through with that idea.

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Speaker 1: And we have a hero hero named Otto Frederick Rowedter

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Speaker 1: to thank for that. We'll meet him in a minute.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. So, I mean you can listen to our bread episode.

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Speaker 2: We don't need to go over all that, but suffice

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Speaker 2: it to say, for twenty nine nine hundred years Ish

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Speaker 2: people were generally tearing off chunks of bread. That's where

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Speaker 2: we get the term breaking bread. There were sandwiches, I

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Speaker 2: believe the first like credit for the real sandwich goes

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Speaker 2: to Rabbi Helll the Elder who put lamb and bitter

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Speaker 2: herbs on in between two pieces of matzo the hill

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Speaker 2: El sandwich. And then in eighteen forty woman miss Leslie

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Speaker 2: Eliza Leslie published Directions for Cookery in which she talked

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Speaker 2: about what's thought to believe be like the first ham sandwich,

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Speaker 2: where she talks about cutting slices of bread very neatly.

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Speaker 2: So people were slicing their bread at home. It's not

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Speaker 2: like they were like, I want to make a sandwich,

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Speaker 2: but I just tear it off in these big chunks.

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Speaker 2: And I don't understand people were home slicing bread to

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Speaker 2: make sandwiches. But that all changed on July seventh, nineteen

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Speaker 2: twenty eight.

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Speaker 1: Right, yeah, because that guy I mentioned before, Auto Frederick Roeder,

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Speaker 1: the father of sliced bread. He had been tinkering with

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Speaker 1: this for well over a decade, right Rove.

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Speaker 2: He was to be German.

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Speaker 1: It has to be. Well, his name is Auto Frederick first,

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Speaker 1: I mean, those are your first two clues, and then

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Speaker 2: Name then Alf Deutsch he.

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Speaker 1: No, he was, You're not gonna do it from what

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Speaker 1: the road, Vetter.

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Speaker 2: I just want you to say it German.

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Speaker 1: Auto Friederic Throvetter, Yeah, there even't even though I could

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Speaker 1: roll my rs, you're calling him row it Er. Well,

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Speaker 1: I'm you know, from Georgia, in Ohio, in Florida. All right,

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Speaker 1: all right, so anyway ot or OFR. I know it's

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Speaker 1: to call him that you won't make fun of him

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Speaker 1: me for how about Auto? So Auto he was an inventor,

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Speaker 1: and I don't I didn't see anywhere where he got

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Speaker 1: the idea to do this, but just suddenly sat up

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Speaker 1: one days, like sliced bread, we should make sliced bread

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Speaker 1: store pre sliced bread. And he got to work making

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Speaker 1: a machine all the way back in nineteen seventeen. But

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Speaker 1: And that's because he got pretty far, got a prototype, developed,

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Speaker 2: That's right. It's very sad, Yeah, and it took him

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Speaker 2: He had an ophthalmology degree. Yet he became a jeweler

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Speaker 2: and that's what financed his I guess, just strange idea

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And I mean think about how just normal that

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Speaker 1: So Auto had that fire in nineteen seventeen and he

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Speaker 1: kept working at it, and eleven years later he had

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Speaker 1: a working machine that was pumped by foot. I saw

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Speaker 1: it like a sewing machine of the era, and it

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Speaker 1: past the blades and come out the bottom of the

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Speaker 1: machine sliced, but kind of a mess. They were just

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Speaker 2: Yeah. They were half inch slices because he did a

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Speaker 2: his name Frank Bench, who was a baker in Missoura

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Speaker 2: at a place called the Chilicoke Baking Company, and that

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Speaker 2: another baker named Gustav Poppindick. And this is the guy

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Speaker 2: who improved it. He was like, hey, you got these

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Speaker 2: slices that are coming out, but they're all falling apart.

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Speaker 2: He came up with a way to slice it where

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Speaker 2: they stayed you know, packaged together. They stayed fresher longer,

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Speaker 2: and they just made the wrapping process much easier. So

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Speaker 2: he improved upon it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure. So two things. Frank Bench was a

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Speaker 1: And number two, the before Gustav Poppindick came along. Auto's

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Speaker 1: solution to these floppy, flimsy like falling apart loaves of

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Speaker 1: bread was to stick a hatpin in them. And then

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Speaker 1: terrible idea. What else you got, And luckily Papindick was like, no, no, no,

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Speaker 1: and it's wrapped for freshness. It was a great, great

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Speaker 1: improvement because without it, sliced bread would have gone nowhere.

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Speaker 2: Basically, Yeah, I wonder if Rovetda was like, have you

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Speaker 2: seen a kincake? They got a freaking plastic baby in.

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Speaker 1: Those things, right, and you guys are you can deal

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Speaker 1: with a hat pin, right, You're not going to choke

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Speaker 2: It wouldn't surprise me, so the ref diference. The first

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Speaker 2: reference to slice bread and print apparently was in nineteen

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Speaker 2: twenty eight when that local paper from Frank Bench's bread

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Speaker 2: company there in Missouri had an article that said slice

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Speaker 2: bread is made here. That was the headline. I'm sorry,

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Speaker 2: it was an advertisement. Slice bread is made here, and

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Speaker 2: they are, of course the home of the original slice bread.

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Speaker 2: They're in Missouri, which is quite a claim to fame,

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Speaker 2: I'm sure. But when this stuff came out, it wasn't

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Speaker 2: like everyone was like, oh my god, this is the

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Speaker 2: People are like, this is weird because they had been

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Speaker 2: husbands and kids. They were like, this is incredible. You

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Speaker 2: have no idea how much easier this is. And I

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Speaker 2: everything quicker and streamlined my routine, and this is the

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Speaker 1: Right And to help them out, I think Wonderbread first

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Speaker 1: came out. It was I think the first slice bread

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Speaker 1: And originally it was called wonder cut because it became

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Speaker 1: I was like, seriously, how much of a timesaver is this?

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Speaker 1: And then I read a quote from a woman who

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Speaker 1: a minute. But she makes a really good case that, like,

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Speaker 1: if you're having to slap together sandwiches really quickly for

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I got six kids, I got a husband, I

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Speaker 2: got a divorced neighbor who doesn't understand how to make

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Speaker 2: a sandwich. Art, Yeah, arts force. He didn't know how

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Speaker 2: You can't take this away from.

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Speaker 1: Us, No, And they tried to, didn't they.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I didn't the government step in and

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Speaker 2: literally try to stop slice bread.

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Speaker 1: Yes, So, as part of the wartime conservation in the

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Speaker 1: United States for World War Two, Claude R. Wickert, who

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Speaker 2: I think it's vickered.

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Speaker 1: Sorry, you're probably right, but I'm going to call him

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Speaker 1: Claude Wickered. He ordered a bay on sliced bread in particular,

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Speaker 1: not bread, not anything else, just sliced bread. And his

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Speaker 1: reasoning was, you have to use thicker wax paper to

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Speaker 1: area to go stale, so that means you're using more paraffin.

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Speaker 1: And god knows what else they were trying to use

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Speaker 1: And then at the same time, they're also like, the

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Speaker 1: price of grain is about to go up, and we

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Speaker 1: which is more expensive to hide passing on higher grain prices.

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Speaker 1: So we're just gonna say you can't have sliced bread.

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Speaker 1: And Claude Wicker walked away whistling and like dusting his

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Speaker 1: and he ended up backing down pretty quick. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: He put on his canvas wax, his wax canvas field jacket.

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Speaker 1: Right, and he marched out of the room his veiled backet.

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Speaker 2: Thank you for getting on board. So back to Roevet.

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Speaker 2: He sold his patent rights to a company called the

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Speaker 2: micro Westow Company in Iowa. I think we didn't mention

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Speaker 2: he was. I think he was from Iowa.

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Speaker 1: Right, Davenport.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And he actually was one of those deals where

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Speaker 2: you sell the patent rights, but then you come on

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Speaker 2: board as a sort of spokesman and salesperson. So he

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Speaker 2: led the Rovetta Bakery Machine division, selling these things to

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Speaker 2: more and more bakeries. But he never became like some

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Speaker 2: huge name. I think there are many, many more inventors

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Speaker 2: of very common items that are much more well known.

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Speaker 2: He lived a very quiet life in Louisiana, and I

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Speaker 2: think he retired in seventy one and passed away at

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Speaker 2: what close to.

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Speaker 1: Eighty His age was supposed to eighty, yeah, as opposed

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Speaker 1: to what died nineteen eighty?

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Speaker 2: Oh, okay, I got you, Yeah, close to eighty.

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Speaker 1: I don't know what year it was, though, do you

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Speaker 1: could kind of guess he lived. He was nineteen sixty.

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Speaker 1: There it is, right there. I was going to do

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Speaker 1: some matha. Luckily I was bailed out at the last minute. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: So there you have it with slice bread, right.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Well there's one other thing. There's an extra happy

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Speaker 1: end to this story. That guy Frank Bench, the nearly

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Speaker 1: bankrupt baker who took a chance on his friend Auto

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Speaker 1: and his new machine. His sales increased by two thousand

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Speaker 1: percent when he started selling sliced bread and he was saved. Wow, yep,

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Speaker 1: pretty cool.

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Speaker 2: That's amazing. I think it's pronounced big.

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Speaker 1: I hope, I really hope that Auto's like great grandson

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Speaker 1: Tim rice In and he's like, it's row Weather.

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Speaker 2: Well it may have been since they were in Iowa.

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Speaker 2: A lot of people, you know, change their very German

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Speaker 2: or French or whatever pronounced names to more American sounding sure,

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Speaker 2: like Clark, what was Clark?

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Speaker 1: Clark?

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Speaker 2: Bryant was probably O'Briant at some point.

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Speaker 1: No, Clark was Clark. It's a derivative of clerk. So

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Speaker 1: I come from a long line of pencil pushers.

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Speaker 2: Well, how weirdly inappropriate I agree.

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Speaker 1: I'm glad you said that. Thank you. Yeah, well, I

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