1 00:00:09,680 --> 00:00:10,119 Speaker 1: What is up? 2 00:00:10,119 --> 00:00:12,120 Speaker 2: Mets fans, Welcome back to another episode of the Mets 3 00:00:12,200 --> 00:00:13,160 Speaker 2: Up Podcast. 4 00:00:13,240 --> 00:00:14,440 Speaker 1: We actually have some news. 5 00:00:14,480 --> 00:00:17,680 Speaker 2: The Mets made a move on the bullpen side, aj 6 00:00:17,880 --> 00:00:19,120 Speaker 2: Minter coming from the. 7 00:00:19,079 --> 00:00:20,920 Speaker 1: Atlanta Braves to the New York Mets. 8 00:00:21,040 --> 00:00:23,800 Speaker 2: Tanner Scott signs a big deal with the Los Angeles Dodgers. 9 00:00:23,840 --> 00:00:27,040 Speaker 1: We got more Pete Alonso news, not in the good way. 10 00:00:27,200 --> 00:00:29,040 Speaker 2: Seems like it's quite a falling out that the Mets 11 00:00:29,080 --> 00:00:31,080 Speaker 2: might be having here with Pete Alonso not looking great. 12 00:00:31,320 --> 00:00:33,640 Speaker 2: We will talk about everything there as well as are 13 00:00:33,680 --> 00:00:36,680 Speaker 2: the Dodgers ruining major League Baseball. 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Let's talk about him first. 22 00:01:00,400 --> 00:01:02,080 Speaker 2: Kind of came a little bit out of nowhere name 23 00:01:02,120 --> 00:01:04,520 Speaker 2: that we weirdly talked about in the Friday episode that 24 00:01:04,600 --> 00:01:07,040 Speaker 2: dropped late. We mentioned a little bit of AJ Minter. 25 00:01:07,280 --> 00:01:09,959 Speaker 2: He ended up signing minutes after we put that video 26 00:01:10,000 --> 00:01:12,600 Speaker 2: live on YouTube two years, twenty two million dollars with 27 00:01:12,640 --> 00:01:13,880 Speaker 2: an opt out after the first year. 28 00:01:13,920 --> 00:01:14,959 Speaker 1: What was your initial thoughts? 29 00:01:15,480 --> 00:01:17,360 Speaker 3: Initial thought was just like super fine when we went 30 00:01:17,360 --> 00:01:19,160 Speaker 3: through some of our bullpuit stuff in the last few weeks. 31 00:01:19,160 --> 00:01:20,320 Speaker 3: He was a guy that both of a circle that 32 00:01:20,440 --> 00:01:22,040 Speaker 3: was like, this could be an option. He's a lefty, 33 00:01:22,080 --> 00:01:23,960 Speaker 3: we need a lefty. He's just good. We need a 34 00:01:23,959 --> 00:01:26,040 Speaker 3: good reliever. We don't think he'll be that expensive. And 35 00:01:26,080 --> 00:01:27,640 Speaker 3: I think it's cool that we're able to talk about 36 00:01:27,680 --> 00:01:30,440 Speaker 3: this in full context on Sunday now after Tanner Scott 37 00:01:30,480 --> 00:01:33,400 Speaker 3: deals Dodgers have come out because Tanner Scott signed for 38 00:01:33,480 --> 00:01:35,640 Speaker 3: four years with no opt out and for eighteen million 39 00:01:35,720 --> 00:01:38,040 Speaker 3: dollars a year. And I think when you it's it's 40 00:01:38,080 --> 00:01:39,640 Speaker 3: hard to separate my mind to look at everything in 41 00:01:39,680 --> 00:01:42,000 Speaker 3: certain bubbles and certain deals, Like I think both deals 42 00:01:42,040 --> 00:01:43,959 Speaker 3: in their own bubble are like both of them, like 43 00:01:43,959 --> 00:01:46,000 Speaker 3: almost any reliever that's as a multi kid dealer, like 44 00:01:46,120 --> 00:01:47,520 Speaker 3: a little bit of risk there, but just the fact 45 00:01:47,520 --> 00:01:50,120 Speaker 3: that Tanner Scott's getting four years and eighteen million dollars 46 00:01:50,160 --> 00:01:51,800 Speaker 3: a year, Like, that's the same contract almost that we 47 00:01:51,800 --> 00:01:53,760 Speaker 3: gave Starling Marte for years go to play every single day. 48 00:01:53,760 --> 00:01:56,400 Speaker 3: So it's just like I'd like the AJ Mintary contract 49 00:01:56,440 --> 00:01:58,680 Speaker 3: a lot more in that context, while also understanding that 50 00:01:58,920 --> 00:02:01,520 Speaker 3: Tanner Scotty is significant better than AJ Minter. Yes, and 51 00:02:01,720 --> 00:02:03,880 Speaker 3: he probably will be, But I also think there weirdly 52 00:02:03,920 --> 00:02:07,960 Speaker 3: is more risk on Scott's side than Mintor's side, not 53 00:02:08,000 --> 00:02:09,560 Speaker 3: even just the fact that it's a four year deal, 54 00:02:09,600 --> 00:02:12,280 Speaker 3: but also in the fact of if there could be 55 00:02:12,320 --> 00:02:15,119 Speaker 3: any kind of like variants in his in his own game. 56 00:02:15,360 --> 00:02:17,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, and I get it why the Dodgers did it, 57 00:02:17,680 --> 00:02:20,040 Speaker 2: because I mean, he's one of the pieces that, Yeah, 58 00:02:19,960 --> 00:02:22,680 Speaker 2: why not. We are already spending four hundred million dollars 59 00:02:23,080 --> 00:02:25,760 Speaker 2: this year on payroll and he could be a piece 60 00:02:25,919 --> 00:02:27,959 Speaker 2: Like they need bullpen help. If you look at that roster, 61 00:02:28,280 --> 00:02:30,240 Speaker 2: where do they need help, it's in the bullpen. They 62 00:02:30,280 --> 00:02:32,360 Speaker 2: now solidify it. They get a nasty left handed reliever 63 00:02:32,360 --> 00:02:34,400 Speaker 2: because they've been rocking with Anthony Banda basically all of 64 00:02:34,480 --> 00:02:37,760 Speaker 2: last year, and Alex Vesia getting their big left handed outs. 65 00:02:37,880 --> 00:02:38,840 Speaker 1: Tanner Scott's really good. 66 00:02:38,840 --> 00:02:40,720 Speaker 2: But yeah, I'm happy the Mets were not in on 67 00:02:41,080 --> 00:02:43,480 Speaker 2: four years and seventy two million dollars on Tanner Scott. 68 00:02:43,480 --> 00:02:46,520 Speaker 2: That's just that's not money. I want this organization spending 69 00:02:46,840 --> 00:02:49,800 Speaker 2: on relief pitching. I did think eleven million dollars a 70 00:02:49,840 --> 00:02:52,040 Speaker 2: year was a little high actually for Minter. I didn't 71 00:02:52,040 --> 00:02:53,000 Speaker 2: think he was gonna come in there. I thought it 72 00:02:53,000 --> 00:02:55,240 Speaker 2: was gonna be under ten. But I guess it also 73 00:02:55,360 --> 00:02:57,280 Speaker 2: doesn't really matter at that point when it's a short 74 00:02:57,320 --> 00:02:58,320 Speaker 2: term contract like that. 75 00:02:58,760 --> 00:03:00,519 Speaker 3: Yeah, and there's two parts of Minter too, because it's 76 00:03:00,520 --> 00:03:02,400 Speaker 3: like there there's one there's a body of work, and 77 00:03:02,440 --> 00:03:05,040 Speaker 3: two there's there's things that he does really well in 78 00:03:05,040 --> 00:03:06,880 Speaker 3: the mound right now, will also having done some things 79 00:03:06,880 --> 00:03:08,359 Speaker 3: worse for rely. The one thing that stuck out to 80 00:03:08,400 --> 00:03:10,040 Speaker 3: me and gave me some worry about Minter, and I 81 00:03:10,040 --> 00:03:12,600 Speaker 3: tweeted this down on Fridays, was going on so that 82 00:03:12,600 --> 00:03:14,440 Speaker 3: the last few years he has his loss he has 83 00:03:14,520 --> 00:03:17,000 Speaker 3: dropped a good bit each season and with his velocity 84 00:03:17,080 --> 00:03:19,320 Speaker 3: dropping his strike out rate in his wood Frailer both dropping. 85 00:03:19,360 --> 00:03:21,200 Speaker 3: Twenty twenty two, he was sitting ninety six ninety seventy 86 00:03:21,240 --> 00:03:22,560 Speaker 3: or thirty five percent strike right, he was one of 87 00:03:22,560 --> 00:03:24,560 Speaker 3: the best relievers in baseball. He torment the Mets that 88 00:03:24,680 --> 00:03:27,720 Speaker 3: season twenty twenty three. The vlosity we dropped a little bit, 89 00:03:27,720 --> 00:03:29,760 Speaker 3: but was still within the same band. He still sat 90 00:03:29,880 --> 00:03:32,120 Speaker 3: ninety six, got to ninety seven, got more ninety five, 91 00:03:32,200 --> 00:03:34,000 Speaker 3: but the strike out rate dropped some, but it was 92 00:03:34,000 --> 00:03:37,280 Speaker 3: still over thirty percent. And last year his fastball velosity 93 00:03:37,320 --> 00:03:39,600 Speaker 3: dropped under ninety five average mile an hour, and when 94 00:03:39,640 --> 00:03:41,520 Speaker 3: he went in the il A season ended with a 95 00:03:41,560 --> 00:03:44,560 Speaker 3: hip injury. He got surgery for his last couple of outings. 96 00:03:44,560 --> 00:03:46,400 Speaker 3: He was averaging about ninety three miles an hour before 97 00:03:46,440 --> 00:03:47,880 Speaker 3: that hit happened, and the striker rate in the year 98 00:03:47,920 --> 00:03:49,600 Speaker 3: dropped all way down to twenty six percent, the worst. 99 00:03:49,680 --> 00:03:51,520 Speaker 3: Like since he's broken out become a good reliever. So 100 00:03:51,880 --> 00:03:54,200 Speaker 3: I think that's the worthwhile reason for concern with Mintor. 101 00:03:54,320 --> 00:03:56,200 Speaker 3: I think that last year, strike er raid fastball last 102 00:03:56,240 --> 00:03:58,280 Speaker 3: year why some of the projecting systems don't love Mintor. 103 00:03:58,440 --> 00:03:59,960 Speaker 3: They kind of have him peged for like a three five, 104 00:04:00,040 --> 00:04:01,640 Speaker 3: three six right kind of guy, And I think that 105 00:04:01,680 --> 00:04:04,080 Speaker 3: probably is well he is at this point, unless he 106 00:04:04,120 --> 00:04:05,880 Speaker 3: does get back up to that. Yeah, but again that's 107 00:04:05,880 --> 00:04:07,800 Speaker 3: still fine and for this money, for a good left 108 00:04:07,840 --> 00:04:10,200 Speaker 3: he is not crazy considering the market. But then there's 109 00:04:10,200 --> 00:04:12,440 Speaker 3: also like, I don't know, there's there's one chance that 110 00:04:12,480 --> 00:04:14,000 Speaker 3: he's healthy and the vloss he does jump back up, 111 00:04:14,040 --> 00:04:16,200 Speaker 3: then one suddenly like, oh, this could be a nasty relief. Again. 112 00:04:16,360 --> 00:04:18,040 Speaker 3: The other thing about Mintor that I like a lot, 113 00:04:18,120 --> 00:04:19,720 Speaker 3: which I'm not again not saying I like him when 114 00:04:19,760 --> 00:04:21,120 Speaker 3: Scott in this way, but there is something he does 115 00:04:21,200 --> 00:04:22,719 Speaker 3: better than Scott. Also, he has to do better than 116 00:04:22,760 --> 00:04:26,279 Speaker 3: Scott because Scott has a ridiculous fastball and a ridiculous slideer. 117 00:04:26,279 --> 00:04:28,320 Speaker 3: He doesn't really need a third pitch. But Mintor, when 118 00:04:28,320 --> 00:04:31,599 Speaker 3: that fastball velosity started dropping, he became a primary color guy. 119 00:04:31,640 --> 00:04:33,279 Speaker 3: His color is a really good pitch and someone that 120 00:04:33,279 --> 00:04:34,760 Speaker 3: can get out hitters that on both sides of the 121 00:04:34,760 --> 00:04:36,560 Speaker 3: play and do some soft contacts. So I do think 122 00:04:36,560 --> 00:04:39,839 Speaker 3: that there's a world where if that fastball doesn't snap 123 00:04:39,880 --> 00:04:42,000 Speaker 3: back to everything that could have ever been, Mintor just 124 00:04:42,040 --> 00:04:43,720 Speaker 3: becomes a color first guy. And he still has a 125 00:04:43,800 --> 00:04:45,480 Speaker 3: change up that he works off to right these as well. 126 00:04:45,520 --> 00:04:47,640 Speaker 3: But even with that fastball vlos, he's not coming back. 127 00:04:47,640 --> 00:04:49,280 Speaker 3: He's still has a good fastball shape and he's still 128 00:04:49,320 --> 00:04:51,280 Speaker 3: maintained that through the year two, even as the hip 129 00:04:51,320 --> 00:04:53,640 Speaker 3: was presumably bothering him and the velocity was dropping, the 130 00:04:53,680 --> 00:04:56,200 Speaker 3: strike guy was dropping. So there's just ways for Mintor 131 00:04:56,240 --> 00:04:58,120 Speaker 3: to get around things getting worse, and it's only to 132 00:04:58,200 --> 00:05:01,239 Speaker 3: your deal. So again he makes it pulpen better and instantly. 133 00:05:01,240 --> 00:05:03,440 Speaker 3: But I also don't want to give tons of credit 134 00:05:03,520 --> 00:05:06,120 Speaker 3: for penny pinching because the Dodgers did get they still 135 00:05:06,120 --> 00:05:06,839 Speaker 3: got a better player. 136 00:05:06,880 --> 00:05:08,400 Speaker 1: Yeah, no, one hundred percent, they got better player. 137 00:05:08,440 --> 00:05:12,039 Speaker 2: We're not gonna, you know, wave the flag and sign 138 00:05:12,200 --> 00:05:15,200 Speaker 2: for victory here because we got aj Minter over Tanner Scott. 139 00:05:15,480 --> 00:05:18,000 Speaker 2: But when you look at the years again, I can't 140 00:05:18,000 --> 00:05:20,320 Speaker 2: give Tanner Scott. I can't give really any relievers for years. 141 00:05:20,320 --> 00:05:23,120 Speaker 2: It's absolutely insane. I think that hip is going to 142 00:05:23,600 --> 00:05:25,640 Speaker 2: you know, after the surgery, I would assume it's gonna 143 00:05:25,640 --> 00:05:27,760 Speaker 2: help with the velocity as long as he's healthy through 144 00:05:27,760 --> 00:05:30,680 Speaker 2: spring training. Uh, David Peterson right. Hip thing as well. 145 00:05:30,760 --> 00:05:33,039 Speaker 2: The velocity started to come back after the surgery too. 146 00:05:33,480 --> 00:05:35,800 Speaker 2: We know that this is something that could have had 147 00:05:35,839 --> 00:05:38,320 Speaker 2: an impact. And again that cutter one of the things 148 00:05:38,320 --> 00:05:40,320 Speaker 2: that he was great about last year. Right handed hitters 149 00:05:40,360 --> 00:05:42,920 Speaker 2: couldn't touch me either. So he's not just a get 150 00:05:43,040 --> 00:05:45,720 Speaker 2: left handed hitters out guy. He can get both sides out, 151 00:05:45,720 --> 00:05:47,600 Speaker 2: which is really big because again, a lot of the 152 00:05:47,640 --> 00:05:49,800 Speaker 2: teams that we do face Phillies are the ones that 153 00:05:49,960 --> 00:05:51,760 Speaker 2: I feel like the most left handed hitters. But when 154 00:05:51,760 --> 00:05:53,320 Speaker 2: you look at the Braves and you look at some 155 00:05:53,400 --> 00:05:55,920 Speaker 2: of those other teams, they kind of like sprinkle them 156 00:05:55,920 --> 00:05:58,360 Speaker 2: in with right handed batters, where the Brave Phillies I 157 00:05:58,360 --> 00:06:00,279 Speaker 2: feel like have more like Schwarber Harper guy guys. 158 00:06:00,800 --> 00:06:02,599 Speaker 3: Yeah, and last year mentor with that color, he was 159 00:06:02,640 --> 00:06:05,000 Speaker 3: throwing that pitch most often to lefties, like that was 160 00:06:05,040 --> 00:06:06,840 Speaker 3: his that was his primary. That was his primary pitch 161 00:06:06,880 --> 00:06:09,160 Speaker 3: agains lefties, whereas the Rives it was it was still 162 00:06:09,160 --> 00:06:11,200 Speaker 3: more fastballs, but then some colors and then it was 163 00:06:11,240 --> 00:06:12,280 Speaker 3: a lot more change ups. 164 00:06:12,200 --> 00:06:12,760 Speaker 1: Which something like that. 165 00:06:12,800 --> 00:06:15,040 Speaker 3: He's good with the righty, so again like he's a 166 00:06:15,080 --> 00:06:17,280 Speaker 3: good pitcher. And also the Tanner Scott think the way 167 00:06:17,320 --> 00:06:20,560 Speaker 3: that it's kind of unfolded in the media now in 168 00:06:20,600 --> 00:06:22,360 Speaker 3: the last few hours, just the way that I don't 169 00:06:22,400 --> 00:06:24,599 Speaker 3: I think people don't I don't know, I think people 170 00:06:24,600 --> 00:06:27,320 Speaker 3: respect tanner Scott too much. Wait, I like Tanner Scott. 171 00:06:27,320 --> 00:06:29,479 Speaker 3: I think Tanner Scott's tremendous reliever. But if you go 172 00:06:29,560 --> 00:06:33,120 Speaker 3: back two years ago, Tanner Scott had where almost seven 173 00:06:33,160 --> 00:06:35,479 Speaker 3: walks per nine in a sixteen percent walk rate and 174 00:06:35,600 --> 00:06:37,320 Speaker 3: one six whip. And that was two years ago. That 175 00:06:37,360 --> 00:06:39,400 Speaker 3: was coming off the season where he got I don't know, 176 00:06:39,440 --> 00:06:40,920 Speaker 3: I remember if he got let go by the Oriols, 177 00:06:40,920 --> 00:06:42,720 Speaker 3: but the Oriols just chose not to keep him. Whoever, 178 00:06:42,720 --> 00:06:44,400 Speaker 3: it might have been a non tendering situation. He was 179 00:06:44,400 --> 00:06:46,640 Speaker 3: someone who was like always this, like, let's hope we 180 00:06:46,640 --> 00:06:48,360 Speaker 3: can unlock this guy. Who's hope we can unlock this guy? 181 00:06:48,360 --> 00:06:50,359 Speaker 3: This stuff is crazy, but the command is horrific, and 182 00:06:50,400 --> 00:06:51,640 Speaker 3: he dig it out of that. The last two years 183 00:06:51,680 --> 00:06:53,920 Speaker 3: the command is a lot better. The command regressed of 184 00:06:53,920 --> 00:06:55,520 Speaker 3: the walk right, at least regressed a little bit. Twenty 185 00:06:55,520 --> 00:06:56,000 Speaker 3: twenty four. 186 00:06:56,440 --> 00:06:58,359 Speaker 2: His trade is super funny. So he was traded to 187 00:06:58,360 --> 00:07:01,320 Speaker 2: the Marlins for one of your favorite super metrics boys. 188 00:07:01,120 --> 00:07:01,760 Speaker 1: Col Salcer. 189 00:07:02,279 --> 00:07:05,400 Speaker 3: Oh, nice, there you go. Wow, so win win win 190 00:07:05,440 --> 00:07:07,760 Speaker 3: trade for the Marlins there from the Orioles. But it's 191 00:07:07,760 --> 00:07:09,880 Speaker 3: just he's not I don't know, I don't think he's 192 00:07:10,000 --> 00:07:12,600 Speaker 3: as impenetrable reliever as a profile as people are making 193 00:07:12,680 --> 00:07:14,400 Speaker 3: him out to be. He's done really well the last 194 00:07:14,400 --> 00:07:17,000 Speaker 3: few years of contact expression. I think also the Dodgers 195 00:07:17,440 --> 00:07:18,960 Speaker 3: one of the things. I mean, I'm sure this doesn't 196 00:07:18,960 --> 00:07:21,400 Speaker 3: actually happened, but the fact that he massacred to shoo 197 00:07:21,440 --> 00:07:23,520 Speaker 3: tany last year after being traded to the Podgers. They're like, 198 00:07:23,520 --> 00:07:25,160 Speaker 3: we can't let this guy face show. However, again he's 199 00:07:25,200 --> 00:07:27,560 Speaker 3: coming on our team now. But again, while he's tremendous, 200 00:07:27,560 --> 00:07:29,320 Speaker 3: just a four year deal for Reaver like that, becoming 201 00:07:29,320 --> 00:07:30,680 Speaker 3: one of the hight paid relievers in the league like 202 00:07:30,720 --> 00:07:32,720 Speaker 3: the last That contract was really similar to the right 203 00:07:32,720 --> 00:07:35,600 Speaker 3: Sol Glacier's contract from years ago, right before the Angels 204 00:07:35,640 --> 00:07:37,520 Speaker 3: panicked had to unload him once they realized they couldn't 205 00:07:37,520 --> 00:07:40,600 Speaker 3: pay it right again, I don't know for four years 206 00:07:40,720 --> 00:07:42,240 Speaker 3: the time, I think at Glacier was probably a little 207 00:07:42,240 --> 00:07:43,800 Speaker 3: bit better than Scott, but he's also much safer because 208 00:07:43,800 --> 00:07:46,200 Speaker 3: he had multiple pitches. Yeah, lower walk grate, Like, there's 209 00:07:46,280 --> 00:07:48,600 Speaker 3: just there's more risk in this Scot profile, I think 210 00:07:48,640 --> 00:07:49,520 Speaker 3: than people are giving. 211 00:07:49,360 --> 00:07:49,760 Speaker 1: A credit for. 212 00:07:49,960 --> 00:07:51,640 Speaker 2: Well, I think the thing that's bothering to be the 213 00:07:51,640 --> 00:07:53,880 Speaker 2: most right now is the conversation about, like the Dodgers 214 00:07:53,920 --> 00:07:57,360 Speaker 2: breaking baseball and it's unfair, Like the whining right now 215 00:07:57,400 --> 00:08:00,320 Speaker 2: is out of control about what the Dodgers are doing. 216 00:08:00,360 --> 00:08:02,960 Speaker 2: Every team can go and sign players they're choosing not to, 217 00:08:03,400 --> 00:08:06,240 Speaker 2: Like I think it's the Padres, the Cardinals, the Twins, 218 00:08:06,840 --> 00:08:09,400 Speaker 2: the Brewers, and I think there's one more team have 219 00:08:09,520 --> 00:08:12,320 Speaker 2: not given out a major league contract this entire offseason. 220 00:08:12,600 --> 00:08:15,280 Speaker 2: Like there are teams that are choosing to not get 221 00:08:15,320 --> 00:08:18,320 Speaker 2: better through free agency. That is the bigger issue here, 222 00:08:18,400 --> 00:08:20,680 Speaker 2: not the Dodgers spending as much money as they want. 223 00:08:20,720 --> 00:08:23,040 Speaker 2: Like the salary cap talk that always comes up drives 224 00:08:23,040 --> 00:08:24,640 Speaker 2: me nuts, especially as a Mets fan. 225 00:08:24,720 --> 00:08:25,680 Speaker 1: Now, I really. 226 00:08:25,560 --> 00:08:28,520 Speaker 2: Don't want a salary cap, but it's not a sport 227 00:08:28,600 --> 00:08:31,360 Speaker 2: that needs it. It's also still baseball, Like at the 228 00:08:31,400 --> 00:08:33,600 Speaker 2: end of the day, the Dodgers could have the super 229 00:08:33,600 --> 00:08:36,640 Speaker 2: team again and they can lose, like they still lose 230 00:08:36,840 --> 00:08:39,640 Speaker 2: forty percent of the games they played last year. So 231 00:08:39,720 --> 00:08:42,000 Speaker 2: I feel like the conversation it's not like football, where 232 00:08:42,000 --> 00:08:44,120 Speaker 2: you watch a team go sixteen and one, they lose 233 00:08:44,200 --> 00:08:47,240 Speaker 2: one of their twenty games they play in a season. Baseball, 234 00:08:47,280 --> 00:08:49,760 Speaker 2: you still lose forty percent of the time, it's not 235 00:08:49,840 --> 00:08:51,880 Speaker 2: as lopsided. I feel like as people are making it 236 00:08:51,920 --> 00:08:53,680 Speaker 2: like the Dodgers are the clear and best team. But 237 00:08:53,800 --> 00:08:55,760 Speaker 2: the fact that it's like being treate as it's unfair 238 00:08:55,800 --> 00:08:57,720 Speaker 2: and they're not going to be beatable at all is 239 00:08:57,800 --> 00:08:59,719 Speaker 2: absolutely ridiculous an annoying to hear. 240 00:09:00,440 --> 00:09:02,320 Speaker 3: Yes and no, I do think that what the Dodgs 241 00:09:02,320 --> 00:09:05,120 Speaker 3: are doing are are pushing past like the old trope 242 00:09:05,160 --> 00:09:07,040 Speaker 3: of like all these teams should be trying to spend money. 243 00:09:07,160 --> 00:09:09,000 Speaker 3: Like the only team that really thinks should have been 244 00:09:09,360 --> 00:09:11,319 Speaker 3: in on this Tanne Scott thing and pushed the Dodgers 245 00:09:11,360 --> 00:09:13,560 Speaker 3: were the Chicago Cubs. We've talked about the fact that 246 00:09:13,559 --> 00:09:14,800 Speaker 3: the Cubs just there, I mean. 247 00:09:14,840 --> 00:09:16,560 Speaker 1: Like the Diamondbacks should be in on it. 248 00:09:16,600 --> 00:09:19,439 Speaker 3: Why not, Like, but I guess Dineback have spent a 249 00:09:19,480 --> 00:09:21,520 Speaker 3: lot of moneys offseason. They trufly just don't have very 250 00:09:21,600 --> 00:09:23,680 Speaker 3: much money. But the Cubs are a team that made 251 00:09:23,720 --> 00:09:25,719 Speaker 3: like the lateral move financially in terms of trading for 252 00:09:25,800 --> 00:09:27,680 Speaker 3: Kyle Tucker, adding one of the best headers in baseball 253 00:09:27,720 --> 00:09:28,200 Speaker 3: to their roster. 254 00:09:28,920 --> 00:09:32,960 Speaker 2: This owner said what the owner at Cubs Fest said 255 00:09:32,960 --> 00:09:35,400 Speaker 2: that the goal every single season is to break even 256 00:09:36,559 --> 00:09:37,720 Speaker 2: that's his goal every single year. 257 00:09:37,800 --> 00:09:38,960 Speaker 1: He said that at Cubs Fest. 258 00:09:38,960 --> 00:09:41,680 Speaker 3: It's crazy, which is again like he's one of he's 259 00:09:41,679 --> 00:09:43,040 Speaker 3: like one of the richest owners in baseball, one of 260 00:09:43,040 --> 00:09:44,920 Speaker 3: the biggest markets in baseball, and he's willing to just 261 00:09:45,000 --> 00:09:46,679 Speaker 3: let the Dodgers do this. Especially Also the story that 262 00:09:46,720 --> 00:09:48,200 Speaker 3: came out Friday night where not the story, but the 263 00:09:48,280 --> 00:09:51,400 Speaker 3: news that the Phillies late night traded at the eleventh 264 00:09:51,400 --> 00:09:53,480 Speaker 3: dow where some international slot money to the Dodgers for 265 00:09:53,520 --> 00:09:56,199 Speaker 3: Sasaki and they got putting themselves directly in the executive 266 00:09:56,240 --> 00:09:58,400 Speaker 3: cup chair. But I do think right now what the 267 00:09:58,440 --> 00:10:00,679 Speaker 3: Dodgs are doing are blowing past the even what other 268 00:10:00,720 --> 00:10:03,199 Speaker 3: teams like can or whatever do like three hundred and 269 00:10:03,200 --> 00:10:05,320 Speaker 3: seventy five million dollars pay rolls. In saying the fact 270 00:10:05,360 --> 00:10:08,679 Speaker 3: that their five best starting pitchers right now, Yoshinobiamoo is 271 00:10:08,679 --> 00:10:10,160 Speaker 3: the only one who actually was able to throw a 272 00:10:10,160 --> 00:10:13,440 Speaker 3: pitch last year in the postseason. But now modough Glass 273 00:10:13,440 --> 00:10:15,480 Speaker 3: now Gonslin rookie Sasaki, he was the only one that 274 00:10:15,520 --> 00:10:17,600 Speaker 3: actually was in those series. Like that part of it 275 00:10:17,640 --> 00:10:19,800 Speaker 3: is pretty insane too. And then the fact that now 276 00:10:19,840 --> 00:10:21,520 Speaker 3: is bullpen like you also, they also have Vesia and 277 00:10:21,520 --> 00:10:23,680 Speaker 3: Tanner Scott, so they might have the two best left 278 00:10:23,679 --> 00:10:26,000 Speaker 3: handed fastballs in baseball in their bullpen, which is which 279 00:10:26,000 --> 00:10:28,079 Speaker 3: is pretty upsete and ridiculous. But like, if they are 280 00:10:28,120 --> 00:10:30,800 Speaker 3: still really good, they got so much better they can 281 00:10:30,920 --> 00:10:32,720 Speaker 3: be beat. But I think it is getting to an 282 00:10:32,760 --> 00:10:34,439 Speaker 3: extreme point. But I also don't think that's because of 283 00:10:34,440 --> 00:10:36,520 Speaker 3: the deferrals, and that's what everyone's pretending to Well. 284 00:10:36,400 --> 00:10:38,839 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I saw some idiot on Twitter the 285 00:10:38,880 --> 00:10:41,360 Speaker 2: other day talk about how deferrals we're gonna cause a 286 00:10:41,400 --> 00:10:43,760 Speaker 2: lockout in the next in the next CBA. I don't 287 00:10:43,800 --> 00:10:47,520 Speaker 2: think people realize one the deferrals. The owners love deferrals. 288 00:10:47,559 --> 00:10:49,680 Speaker 2: All the owners could do it. That's the best. That's 289 00:10:49,800 --> 00:10:52,360 Speaker 2: it's very anti player to do deferrals, and the players 290 00:10:52,400 --> 00:10:54,600 Speaker 2: seem to be okay with it as well. Deferrals do 291 00:10:54,679 --> 00:10:56,920 Speaker 2: not matter. No one cares about the deferral stuff. Every 292 00:10:56,920 --> 00:10:57,600 Speaker 2: team can do it. 293 00:10:57,880 --> 00:10:59,760 Speaker 3: There's also just some insight to deferrals as well, like 294 00:10:59,760 --> 00:11:01,200 Speaker 3: the way people are like, oh, the Dodgers don't even 295 00:11:01,160 --> 00:11:02,480 Speaker 3: have to pay this money, that's how can afford to 296 00:11:02,480 --> 00:11:04,200 Speaker 3: pay everything else right now? And there's there's two sides 297 00:11:04,240 --> 00:11:05,840 Speaker 3: of that. Part of his true, Barbs is not true. 298 00:11:06,040 --> 00:11:09,000 Speaker 3: They have to fund the deferral annuity like immediately, like 299 00:11:09,000 --> 00:11:10,320 Speaker 3: you have to have that ready to go by the 300 00:11:10,320 --> 00:11:12,320 Speaker 3: season with that where that payment is supposed to be due. 301 00:11:12,440 --> 00:11:13,800 Speaker 3: But then what they can do and I'm sure they 302 00:11:13,800 --> 00:11:16,559 Speaker 3: do this. I'm sure the Mets do this ad nauseum too. 303 00:11:16,640 --> 00:11:18,640 Speaker 3: Two teams that come from the Wall Street money. But 304 00:11:18,679 --> 00:11:20,480 Speaker 3: you can invest that money over the course of the 305 00:11:20,559 --> 00:11:22,000 Speaker 3: term of the deferral, so like you can put like 306 00:11:22,040 --> 00:11:23,840 Speaker 3: a ten year like they're investing all that show hey 307 00:11:23,960 --> 00:11:25,800 Speaker 3: tiny money right now. They're making that money back at 308 00:11:25,800 --> 00:11:28,240 Speaker 3: the same time that those dollar value actually decreases at 309 00:11:28,240 --> 00:11:29,640 Speaker 3: the same time that they're trying to get out of 310 00:11:29,679 --> 00:11:31,679 Speaker 3: the show. Hey, paying the taxes for leaving California by 311 00:11:31,679 --> 00:11:33,240 Speaker 3: time he actually has to get paid. So it's all 312 00:11:33,240 --> 00:11:34,719 Speaker 3: these games going on behind the scenes and all that 313 00:11:34,760 --> 00:11:36,720 Speaker 3: Stuff's a lot of fun, but it's not I don't 314 00:11:36,720 --> 00:11:38,960 Speaker 3: think that's tormenting the game the way some people are 315 00:11:39,000 --> 00:11:41,200 Speaker 3: claiming of this because also the fact that again you 316 00:11:41,240 --> 00:11:42,439 Speaker 3: have to have you have to fund that new with 317 00:11:42,480 --> 00:11:44,120 Speaker 3: the upfront, then you can reinvest it. So sure light 318 00:11:44,160 --> 00:11:46,760 Speaker 3: it lightens the low of that contract, but it still 319 00:11:46,760 --> 00:11:49,000 Speaker 3: affects the competitive balanced tax and it's the fact that 320 00:11:49,080 --> 00:11:51,240 Speaker 3: Dodgers are just more willing than any other team to 321 00:11:51,240 --> 00:11:53,480 Speaker 3: pay those massive, those massive tax rates down I think 322 00:11:53,480 --> 00:11:55,880 Speaker 3: a big reason for that. People forget this. Remember two 323 00:11:55,960 --> 00:11:57,880 Speaker 3: years agoing the Dodgers kind of punted the season twenty 324 00:11:57,920 --> 00:12:00,720 Speaker 3: twenty three. The Dodgers fully punched a twenty twenty three seasons. 325 00:12:00,720 --> 00:12:02,520 Speaker 3: They still won one hundred games they like, they still 326 00:12:02,520 --> 00:12:04,920 Speaker 3: made the playoffs one division. It's pretty insane. But like 327 00:12:04,960 --> 00:12:06,880 Speaker 3: I was going through Baseball Reference before looking at that 328 00:12:06,880 --> 00:12:07,480 Speaker 3: team got. 329 00:12:07,360 --> 00:12:09,079 Speaker 1: Smoked by the Diamondbacks in the playoffs. 330 00:12:09,120 --> 00:12:12,880 Speaker 3: Smirtled by that. Jason Heyward, David Parlton, Miguel Rojas combined 331 00:12:12,920 --> 00:12:14,280 Speaker 3: for over a thousand played appearance. 332 00:12:14,280 --> 00:12:16,240 Speaker 1: It's way too many. It's way too many. 333 00:12:16,679 --> 00:12:19,320 Speaker 3: Clayton Kershaw led them. An innings pitched was one hundred 334 00:12:19,360 --> 00:12:20,120 Speaker 3: third of the innings. 335 00:12:20,600 --> 00:12:22,880 Speaker 1: That's insane. I actually know that they. 336 00:12:22,800 --> 00:12:24,480 Speaker 3: Only had four guys in the hire roster throw more 337 00:12:24,480 --> 00:12:27,120 Speaker 3: than one hundred inox and it was Kershaw, Bobby Miller, 338 00:12:27,400 --> 00:12:29,800 Speaker 3: Julio Urias, and Tony Gonsolin. 339 00:12:30,000 --> 00:12:31,319 Speaker 1: That's crazy. 340 00:12:31,520 --> 00:12:34,000 Speaker 2: Also, I love seeing Tony Gonsolin throw into all these 341 00:12:34,000 --> 00:12:36,679 Speaker 2: pitching graphics are being made. They're like naming all the 342 00:12:36,720 --> 00:12:39,600 Speaker 2: guys like and Tony Gonsolin too. It's like, okay, I mean. 343 00:12:41,040 --> 00:12:43,000 Speaker 3: Also, the crazy thing about that year with the Dodgers, 344 00:12:43,040 --> 00:12:44,560 Speaker 3: like the fact that they punted that year. It was 345 00:12:44,600 --> 00:12:47,000 Speaker 3: the year that they had to watch Corey Seeger, their 346 00:12:47,040 --> 00:12:50,280 Speaker 3: homegrown star, when they didn't have a fucking shortstop. They 347 00:12:50,280 --> 00:12:52,920 Speaker 3: had to make Mookie Bestar play shortstop win the World 348 00:12:52,960 --> 00:12:55,400 Speaker 3: Series MVP in resounding fashion with the Texas Rangers. That 349 00:12:55,400 --> 00:12:56,760 Speaker 3: was two years ago. DoD just had to watch that. 350 00:12:56,760 --> 00:12:59,160 Speaker 3: They kind of punted, They got blown out by the 351 00:12:59,200 --> 00:13:02,120 Speaker 3: Diamondbacks in the post season. Then the then their homegrown 352 00:13:02,160 --> 00:13:04,040 Speaker 3: star won the World Series MVP. They only paid the 353 00:13:04,080 --> 00:13:06,520 Speaker 3: nineteen million dollar tax bill and then they got Shootani 354 00:13:06,559 --> 00:13:09,080 Speaker 3: and since then they've gone fully fucking nuclear. They're gonna 355 00:13:09,080 --> 00:13:11,800 Speaker 3: have like one hundred to almost two hundred million dollar 356 00:13:11,880 --> 00:13:12,520 Speaker 3: tax bill this year. 357 00:13:12,559 --> 00:13:13,600 Speaker 1: You know it's gonna be insane. 358 00:13:13,600 --> 00:13:16,320 Speaker 2: But also the Shootani money, just with your panelon we 359 00:13:16,320 --> 00:13:18,719 Speaker 2: saw how much money they made from last year. I 360 00:13:18,760 --> 00:13:21,199 Speaker 2: think they were buying large the most profitable team of 361 00:13:21,240 --> 00:13:23,760 Speaker 2: the numbers that we do have that none of this matters, 362 00:13:23,840 --> 00:13:25,680 Speaker 2: especially if they continue to win and like they have, 363 00:13:26,160 --> 00:13:28,400 Speaker 2: it will not make a difference. What's also funny too, 364 00:13:28,400 --> 00:13:30,360 Speaker 2: and I mean Buster one said it as well. One 365 00:13:30,360 --> 00:13:32,720 Speaker 2: of the big differences too with the Los Angeles Dodgers. 366 00:13:32,920 --> 00:13:35,840 Speaker 2: Can't forget Jackie Robinson. That was that was an insane 367 00:13:35,880 --> 00:13:38,240 Speaker 2: tweet that was like so disrespectful. I felt like to 368 00:13:38,400 --> 00:13:41,319 Speaker 2: Jackie Robinson, Yeah, I have the tweet. 369 00:13:41,040 --> 00:13:42,800 Speaker 3: For you right here. It's a from Buster Only. And 370 00:13:42,840 --> 00:13:45,240 Speaker 3: this was on Saturday morning at ten thirty seven am. 371 00:13:45,320 --> 00:13:47,280 Speaker 3: He just had this ready to go. The Dodgers has 372 00:13:47,480 --> 00:13:48,880 Speaker 3: have a lot of money, will always be in a 373 00:13:48,920 --> 00:13:51,240 Speaker 3: strong position to bid for players. They also have an 374 00:13:51,240 --> 00:13:53,440 Speaker 3: excellent culture that players love. It's a group that has 375 00:13:53,480 --> 00:13:55,040 Speaker 3: a lot of fun together and a lot of success. 376 00:13:55,160 --> 00:13:57,200 Speaker 3: All that's totally true. If the tweet ended right there 377 00:13:57,320 --> 00:13:59,360 Speaker 3: with a very perfectly fine sweet, the walk right past 378 00:13:59,360 --> 00:14:01,880 Speaker 3: that sweet, nothing but happened, and then Buster Only continues 379 00:14:02,360 --> 00:14:05,120 Speaker 3: and they have the Jackie Robinson history and resulting tradition 380 00:14:05,200 --> 00:14:08,760 Speaker 3: no other franchise can match. What on earth are you 381 00:14:08,800 --> 00:14:10,760 Speaker 3: talking about? Buster on? And they're also But the thing 382 00:14:10,800 --> 00:14:12,880 Speaker 3: is that it's funny. There is like a modic of 383 00:14:12,920 --> 00:14:14,920 Speaker 3: truth in that where the Dodgers have paved the way 384 00:14:14,960 --> 00:14:18,160 Speaker 3: for a lot of like players are different this cities 385 00:14:18,160 --> 00:14:20,560 Speaker 3: to get their shot. Jack Robinson hundred first player, Bake 386 00:14:20,560 --> 00:14:22,880 Speaker 3: the Colored Barry Branch, Rickie Walter, and Maley Brooklyn Dodgers 387 00:14:23,000 --> 00:14:26,160 Speaker 3: random Valezuela as the Dodgers needed to recoup some Latin 388 00:14:26,160 --> 00:14:28,840 Speaker 3: American fans after their stadium had, you know, displaced a 389 00:14:28,880 --> 00:14:31,520 Speaker 3: lot of Mexicans in the Los Angeles region. And then 390 00:14:31,520 --> 00:14:34,640 Speaker 3: he's like Likedeo Nomo Japan Hinjinria with Korea, like they 391 00:14:34,680 --> 00:14:37,000 Speaker 3: have been on the forefront of acquiring players who came 392 00:14:37,000 --> 00:14:39,440 Speaker 3: from different cultures in different countries. But to say that 393 00:14:39,840 --> 00:14:44,560 Speaker 3: Jackie Robinson's affected the Rookie Sasaki decision is completely completely 394 00:14:44,600 --> 00:14:47,160 Speaker 3: fucking brain deadne is from Buster Only There's that was 395 00:14:47,160 --> 00:14:48,520 Speaker 3: a classic media marvel. It's been a while. 396 00:14:48,600 --> 00:14:50,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, so that's been a while I've done the media marvel. 397 00:14:50,680 --> 00:14:52,600 Speaker 1: There's really grasped at straws on that one. That was 398 00:14:52,680 --> 00:14:55,360 Speaker 1: absolutely insane. Like Jackie Robinson had a huge impact. I 399 00:14:55,360 --> 00:14:57,800 Speaker 1: don't think it had anything to do with Roki Sasaki siding. 400 00:14:58,440 --> 00:15:00,880 Speaker 3: And again, like they're like there's so much discourse right 401 00:15:00,920 --> 00:15:02,800 Speaker 3: now about the Dodgers ruining baseball and all this stuff 402 00:15:02,800 --> 00:15:04,480 Speaker 3: like two years ago. You mentioned it before, Like so 403 00:15:04,600 --> 00:15:06,720 Speaker 3: the eighty four win Diamonbacks and ninety win Rangers playing 404 00:15:06,720 --> 00:15:08,560 Speaker 3: in the World season. Yeah, like, it's just a lot 405 00:15:08,600 --> 00:15:11,240 Speaker 3: of shit can happen. This team is nasty on predible. 406 00:15:11,360 --> 00:15:12,880 Speaker 2: I know we lost last year, but like we made 407 00:15:12,880 --> 00:15:15,680 Speaker 2: the NLCS, Like was that was not a team that 408 00:15:15,960 --> 00:15:18,040 Speaker 2: anyone thought was gonna make the NLCS at the beginning 409 00:15:18,080 --> 00:15:21,040 Speaker 2: of the year. So, like, it's a little bit of 410 00:15:21,040 --> 00:15:24,320 Speaker 2: a tired conversation at times where everyone gets so like 411 00:15:24,480 --> 00:15:26,200 Speaker 2: and maybe it's because there's nothing going on in baseball 412 00:15:26,280 --> 00:15:28,360 Speaker 2: right now, like the off season is still relatively quiet. 413 00:15:28,760 --> 00:15:30,600 Speaker 2: Maybe people are just bored and it's time to complain 414 00:15:30,600 --> 00:15:33,200 Speaker 2: about the Dodgers. I'm listen. I'm here for anti Dodger stuff. 415 00:15:33,200 --> 00:15:35,000 Speaker 2: I'm all about it. Hate the Dodgers all you want, 416 00:15:35,040 --> 00:15:37,640 Speaker 2: I'm cool with it. I'm about it. But like the winding, 417 00:15:37,680 --> 00:15:39,720 Speaker 2: I just I can't stand to see the winding, especially 418 00:15:39,760 --> 00:15:42,040 Speaker 2: from like people in the baseball world. 419 00:15:42,080 --> 00:15:43,320 Speaker 1: That's the worst part of it. 420 00:15:43,560 --> 00:15:45,960 Speaker 3: Especially because we've seen this movie before. I do again, 421 00:15:45,960 --> 00:15:48,000 Speaker 3: Like I'll either rate this Dodgers team is better different 422 00:15:48,080 --> 00:15:51,200 Speaker 3: any baseball team on paper that we've seen in our 423 00:15:51,240 --> 00:15:51,880 Speaker 3: in our lives. 424 00:15:52,080 --> 00:15:54,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean like outside of when the Yankees had 425 00:15:54,360 --> 00:15:56,480 Speaker 2: like Murderers Row and there were six teams in Major 426 00:15:56,520 --> 00:15:58,840 Speaker 2: League Baseball, Like, yeah, this is probably the best roster 427 00:15:58,880 --> 00:16:00,160 Speaker 2: that's ever existed. 428 00:16:00,120 --> 00:16:02,600 Speaker 3: But still just baseball, Like there's so much stupid variance, 429 00:16:02,600 --> 00:16:04,720 Speaker 3: Like in a five game series, like something something horrible 430 00:16:04,720 --> 00:16:06,240 Speaker 3: can happen to this team easily, Like it could be 431 00:16:06,240 --> 00:16:07,240 Speaker 3: like you never know it's gonna. 432 00:16:07,040 --> 00:16:10,200 Speaker 2: Happen, but Mookie Bets has gotten cold before, Like guys 433 00:16:10,200 --> 00:16:11,880 Speaker 2: could just get cold and they lose. 434 00:16:11,920 --> 00:16:12,560 Speaker 1: That happens. 435 00:16:12,600 --> 00:16:14,720 Speaker 2: Like they are going to make the playoffs, They're gonna 436 00:16:14,720 --> 00:16:16,760 Speaker 2: steam roll one hundred percent, but once you get there, 437 00:16:16,800 --> 00:16:17,920 Speaker 2: it really is a crapshoot. 438 00:16:17,960 --> 00:16:20,800 Speaker 3: Sometimes a regular season, they're gonna they're gonna completely murder people. 439 00:16:20,800 --> 00:16:23,120 Speaker 3: But also like this this pitching rotation, like every single 440 00:16:23,120 --> 00:16:26,320 Speaker 3: guy in this rotation has like a major half health trade. Yeah, 441 00:16:26,560 --> 00:16:28,360 Speaker 3: and then also you look the lineup again, like I'm 442 00:16:28,560 --> 00:16:31,280 Speaker 3: this this is the classic Lebron sweitet. Lebron's finally turning thirty. 443 00:16:31,320 --> 00:16:33,400 Speaker 3: This fucker, you can't go on much longer, Like Freddie 444 00:16:33,400 --> 00:16:35,200 Speaker 3: Freeman is thirty five. I don't know, at what point 445 00:16:35,360 --> 00:16:36,720 Speaker 3: he slowed down a little bit, like something has to 446 00:16:36,800 --> 00:16:39,320 Speaker 3: change eventually here, Like the Oscars thirty two months, he's 447 00:16:39,320 --> 00:16:42,440 Speaker 3: thirty four bets is thirty two show over thirty fucking 448 00:16:42,640 --> 00:16:44,160 Speaker 3: Mike fours and starting line for this team. 449 00:16:44,160 --> 00:16:45,760 Speaker 1: It's just like you gonna hit thirty homers that guy. 450 00:16:45,760 --> 00:16:46,400 Speaker 1: It's crazy. 451 00:16:47,160 --> 00:16:48,880 Speaker 3: It's just funny how they've like assembled this team and 452 00:16:48,880 --> 00:16:51,680 Speaker 3: assembled this complete onslaught of talent. But just to say that, 453 00:16:51,960 --> 00:16:54,360 Speaker 3: like it's ruining baseball, Like I don't know, I feel like, again, 454 00:16:54,480 --> 00:16:56,680 Speaker 3: this is extreme right now, but there should still be 455 00:16:56,680 --> 00:16:58,440 Speaker 3: some embarrassment from a lot of these teams in the middle 456 00:16:58,480 --> 00:17:01,160 Speaker 3: they're just not jumping in. Make sure the Yankees right 457 00:17:01,160 --> 00:17:03,000 Speaker 3: now have such a golden opportunity in a piss poor 458 00:17:03,040 --> 00:17:06,120 Speaker 3: American league to spend like twenty five thirty million extra 459 00:17:06,160 --> 00:17:08,280 Speaker 3: dollars and like completely be able to dominate their league. 460 00:17:08,400 --> 00:17:10,240 Speaker 3: The Red Sox are still not really spending any money 461 00:17:10,240 --> 00:17:11,840 Speaker 3: in the middle class when they're trying to catch Yankee 462 00:17:11,880 --> 00:17:12,399 Speaker 3: team that kind of. 463 00:17:12,600 --> 00:17:15,480 Speaker 2: Like the Red Sox sign Alex Bregman, that is legitimately 464 00:17:15,680 --> 00:17:17,560 Speaker 2: I think the favorite in the American League to win it. 465 00:17:17,600 --> 00:17:19,399 Speaker 1: If they can get like a guy like Alex Bregman, 466 00:17:19,800 --> 00:17:22,440 Speaker 1: just simply because like the stuff is so weak. 467 00:17:22,480 --> 00:17:24,280 Speaker 2: I like what they've done in terms of their additions 468 00:17:24,320 --> 00:17:27,000 Speaker 2: to pitching and stuff, and they like, what if Trevor 469 00:17:27,000 --> 00:17:28,520 Speaker 2: Story is a healthy year, Like they have a lot 470 00:17:28,520 --> 00:17:30,080 Speaker 2: of fun. What IF's the Red Sox. That's a fun 471 00:17:30,080 --> 00:17:32,200 Speaker 2: little team right now? They get they have a weird 472 00:17:32,200 --> 00:17:33,560 Speaker 2: like crowd in field tho it's a kind of crawd 473 00:17:33,560 --> 00:17:34,000 Speaker 2: for no reason. 474 00:17:34,000 --> 00:17:35,840 Speaker 3: But also again, like a team like the Cubs, like 475 00:17:35,920 --> 00:17:37,960 Speaker 3: you might have one year of Kyle Tucker, why aren't 476 00:17:38,000 --> 00:17:40,120 Speaker 3: you just pushing in the Tanner Scott contract again objectively 477 00:17:40,160 --> 00:17:42,440 Speaker 3: is bad I think, And if I think it's like 478 00:17:42,440 --> 00:17:44,480 Speaker 3: the Cubs or someone else signed Tanner Scott, the rhetoric 479 00:17:44,520 --> 00:17:45,919 Speaker 3: that would have gone around the internet was like, oh 480 00:17:45,960 --> 00:17:49,280 Speaker 3: my god, with a hard overpaid Yeah losers, Yeah, stupid organization. 481 00:17:49,600 --> 00:17:51,440 Speaker 3: But the fact that with the Dodgers then becomes Dodgers 482 00:17:51,520 --> 00:17:53,280 Speaker 3: running baseball? How can we let him? How can we 483 00:17:53,359 --> 00:17:56,280 Speaker 3: let this happen? I just it's so it's so different, 484 00:17:56,280 --> 00:17:58,040 Speaker 3: But like those teams in the middle, it's like, why 485 00:17:58,040 --> 00:17:59,760 Speaker 3: aren't you actually trying to do this? The land a 486 00:17:59,800 --> 00:18:01,840 Speaker 3: break we talked about the other day. The bottom of 487 00:18:01,880 --> 00:18:04,880 Speaker 3: the Braves roster shock is so insane. They haven't made 488 00:18:04,880 --> 00:18:06,600 Speaker 3: the move in what like four months. 489 00:18:06,800 --> 00:18:08,719 Speaker 1: I think Brian de la Cruz was their big move 490 00:18:08,760 --> 00:18:10,199 Speaker 1: this offseason so far, right, and. 491 00:18:10,760 --> 00:18:14,080 Speaker 3: Somebody they I mean they traded the trade Hilai away. 492 00:18:14,119 --> 00:18:16,200 Speaker 3: That was a big move and oh yeah, got that. 493 00:18:16,600 --> 00:18:18,719 Speaker 1: They shed money and they haven't spent it. 494 00:18:19,280 --> 00:18:21,320 Speaker 3: No, and then I mean they still last year, they 495 00:18:21,320 --> 00:18:23,320 Speaker 3: have sale, they're gonna have shri the back to Unya back. 496 00:18:23,359 --> 00:18:25,040 Speaker 3: But like if you look right now the Braves roster, 497 00:18:25,160 --> 00:18:27,760 Speaker 3: like they're they're going to be starving. Brian de la Cruz, 498 00:18:27,800 --> 00:18:29,760 Speaker 3: Jered kell, Nick Orlando Arci, like those are gonna be 499 00:18:29,760 --> 00:18:31,640 Speaker 3: three guys in the lineup every single day and their 500 00:18:31,680 --> 00:18:33,840 Speaker 3: benches guys like Luke Williams, Nick Al and Eli White 501 00:18:33,920 --> 00:18:35,280 Speaker 3: not not tu Al for us, Like it's not exactly 502 00:18:35,280 --> 00:18:36,800 Speaker 3: they have righty guys ready to go step up and 503 00:18:36,800 --> 00:18:38,800 Speaker 3: get in there, like right now, Grant Holmes, it's going 504 00:18:38,880 --> 00:18:39,879 Speaker 3: to be in the opening their rotation. 505 00:18:39,920 --> 00:18:40,280 Speaker 1: Probably. 506 00:18:41,520 --> 00:18:43,399 Speaker 3: Yeah, It's just like this team right now is not 507 00:18:43,960 --> 00:18:45,679 Speaker 3: I don't know, like they're a team that probably is. 508 00:18:45,840 --> 00:18:47,760 Speaker 3: They probably still top to the bottom of the second 509 00:18:47,800 --> 00:18:51,240 Speaker 3: best roster in baseball and they're not pushing any chips 510 00:18:51,240 --> 00:18:53,840 Speaker 3: in whatsoever. They're just kind of like stopping. It's and 511 00:18:53,880 --> 00:18:56,400 Speaker 3: like and an offseason where they've lost multiple leevers once 512 00:18:56,400 --> 00:18:58,639 Speaker 3: of their division rival, the Mets, and Joe Jimenez has 513 00:18:58,680 --> 00:19:00,680 Speaker 3: gone too, Like I understand what's the whole call of 514 00:19:00,680 --> 00:19:02,320 Speaker 3: the conversations we had with him, is like not trying 515 00:19:02,359 --> 00:19:03,679 Speaker 3: to be hypocritic, Like we don't want to pay two 516 00:19:03,680 --> 00:19:06,399 Speaker 3: relievers upwards of eighteen million dollars and they're paying Rassel 517 00:19:06,480 --> 00:19:08,880 Speaker 3: Glacier something like that. But they I mean, I don't 518 00:19:08,880 --> 00:19:10,520 Speaker 3: want the Braves to be better, but it's crazy. They're 519 00:19:10,520 --> 00:19:12,040 Speaker 3: not kicking the tires some of the tires and some 520 00:19:12,040 --> 00:19:13,320 Speaker 3: of these relievers they are out there right now. They 521 00:19:13,440 --> 00:19:14,640 Speaker 3: both has taken a massive hit. 522 00:19:14,760 --> 00:19:15,280 Speaker 1: It's bizarre. 523 00:19:15,320 --> 00:19:17,719 Speaker 2: I mean even the Phillies Bullpen's taken a massive hit 524 00:19:17,800 --> 00:19:19,520 Speaker 2: and they really have his hit. They haven't found a 525 00:19:19,520 --> 00:19:21,440 Speaker 2: way to really fill in any of those pieces either. 526 00:19:21,520 --> 00:19:23,880 Speaker 2: Like this has been such a weird offseason where it's 527 00:19:23,920 --> 00:19:28,280 Speaker 2: been the Mets, Yankees and Dodgers and seems like everybody 528 00:19:28,320 --> 00:19:30,440 Speaker 2: else is just kind of filling in the cracks which 529 00:19:30,440 --> 00:19:32,119 Speaker 2: are not really even that doing it. 530 00:19:32,160 --> 00:19:35,240 Speaker 3: That well and Fanzuel's last time the update of the 531 00:19:35,280 --> 00:19:37,080 Speaker 3: Major League over un there's the win win to those 532 00:19:37,200 --> 00:19:40,560 Speaker 3: the Mariners, who have truthfully one of the best rotations 533 00:19:40,560 --> 00:19:42,240 Speaker 3: we're ever going to see in our lives on paper, 534 00:19:42,240 --> 00:19:45,000 Speaker 3: and they have the seventy nine win total project on Fangrafts, 535 00:19:45,040 --> 00:19:46,240 Speaker 3: I mean on fandel. 536 00:19:45,920 --> 00:19:48,760 Speaker 2: Wait really yeah, seventy nine and a half smash the 537 00:19:48,880 --> 00:19:51,520 Speaker 2: over on that absolute smash. I know their infield is 538 00:19:51,560 --> 00:19:55,040 Speaker 2: like basically a minor league team, but that pitching a 539 00:19:55,040 --> 00:19:57,680 Speaker 2: loan is gonna and the American League stinks. The only 540 00:19:57,680 --> 00:19:59,679 Speaker 2: thing that is worrying is that the Rangers might sneaky 541 00:19:59,680 --> 00:20:01,080 Speaker 2: be the best team in the American League. 542 00:20:01,119 --> 00:20:02,879 Speaker 3: So yeah, by a lot. I guess it's just like, 543 00:20:02,920 --> 00:20:04,639 Speaker 3: it's so weird how a lot of these teams in 544 00:20:04,640 --> 00:20:07,080 Speaker 3: the middle are just kind of willing to stand pat 545 00:20:07,160 --> 00:20:07,760 Speaker 3: Like again. 546 00:20:07,520 --> 00:20:10,359 Speaker 2: They are spending. Forgot about them too. They've spent money 547 00:20:10,600 --> 00:20:12,160 Speaker 2: they were told to spend. They said, if you guys 548 00:20:12,160 --> 00:20:13,760 Speaker 2: don't spend, you might not go to Las Vegas. You 549 00:20:13,800 --> 00:20:14,480 Speaker 2: better fucking spend. 550 00:20:14,480 --> 00:20:16,480 Speaker 3: But like them, I understand, like the Mets, the Dodgers, 551 00:20:16,520 --> 00:20:18,679 Speaker 3: the Yankees, we we play in a different world than 552 00:20:18,720 --> 00:20:20,200 Speaker 3: the rest of the teams in baseball. The Phillies, I 553 00:20:20,200 --> 00:20:22,680 Speaker 3: guess are in that category as well, but it is there. 554 00:20:22,720 --> 00:20:24,480 Speaker 3: There definitely is something to be said about these teams 555 00:20:24,480 --> 00:20:26,000 Speaker 3: that are stuck in the middle. They are not willing 556 00:20:26,080 --> 00:20:28,320 Speaker 3: to take any risks, and sometimes risks, some risks are 557 00:20:28,359 --> 00:20:30,880 Speaker 3: stupid for sure. Tennis Scott might not be the yeah 558 00:20:30,920 --> 00:20:32,920 Speaker 3: the Blue Blue Jays willingn't take any risk possible. The 559 00:20:32,920 --> 00:20:35,040 Speaker 3: Blue Jays took them on thirteen million dollars in miles 560 00:20:35,040 --> 00:20:37,399 Speaker 3: straw salary just to pretend for an extra couple of hours, 561 00:20:37,640 --> 00:20:38,640 Speaker 3: a chance to get rookie. 562 00:20:38,440 --> 00:20:41,399 Speaker 2: Sasaki Andres m Andez for no reason, like it was 563 00:20:42,119 --> 00:20:45,600 Speaker 2: they bailed Cleveland out of some bad contracts and Jared 564 00:20:46,000 --> 00:20:48,080 Speaker 2: Jared Sidler slice the Blue Jays up so bad and 565 00:20:48,119 --> 00:20:50,400 Speaker 2: people are like, he's really should have considered the Blue Jays, 566 00:20:50,440 --> 00:20:53,359 Speaker 2: he goes on Twitter Jared's baseball perspectives. 567 00:20:53,440 --> 00:20:55,560 Speaker 3: The Blue Jays haven't had ninety five win season over 568 00:20:55,600 --> 00:20:57,520 Speaker 3: thirty years. They haven't made that the wildcard rounds of 569 00:20:57,600 --> 00:21:01,080 Speaker 3: twenty sixteen. They have one of baseball's farm system and 570 00:21:01,200 --> 00:21:03,560 Speaker 3: half the team's going hit free agency next offseason. Is 571 00:21:03,560 --> 00:21:05,080 Speaker 3: this where you'd want to go as twenty three year 572 00:21:05,080 --> 00:21:08,000 Speaker 3: old days. Fuck no, it's not whe three year old days. 573 00:21:08,000 --> 00:21:09,280 Speaker 3: So it's like it's again like they they kind of 574 00:21:09,280 --> 00:21:11,240 Speaker 3: I guess, diluted themselves and trading for the extra bonus 575 00:21:11,240 --> 00:21:12,840 Speaker 3: pool money. At the end of the night, they've taken 576 00:21:12,880 --> 00:21:15,439 Speaker 3: on almost one hundred million dollars in Cleveland Guardian salary 577 00:21:15,440 --> 00:21:17,199 Speaker 3: of this offseason. I know the Doles are taking that 578 00:21:17,280 --> 00:21:20,000 Speaker 3: right to the bank, but it's just it's so it's 579 00:21:20,040 --> 00:21:23,200 Speaker 3: so crazy to me. How again, the Dodgers, the Mets, Yanks, 580 00:21:23,280 --> 00:21:25,200 Speaker 3: they probably should be vilified. The Dodgers more solks. They're 581 00:21:25,200 --> 00:21:26,840 Speaker 3: willing to do different things than Mets. But there's a 582 00:21:26,880 --> 00:21:28,840 Speaker 3: middle tier of teams that have ample money they're just 583 00:21:28,880 --> 00:21:31,159 Speaker 3: not spending. And that's like it's it's because everyone's just 584 00:21:31,200 --> 00:21:33,560 Speaker 3: trying to make win eighty five games, just reach the playoffs. 585 00:21:33,640 --> 00:21:36,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, which could be the problem with the extended wildcard. 586 00:21:36,160 --> 00:21:38,720 Speaker 2: This is this is this is your magnamama. 587 00:21:39,320 --> 00:21:40,960 Speaker 3: These are all my here's all my fucking takes coming 588 00:21:41,000 --> 00:21:42,800 Speaker 3: back to Earth and then we're gonna kill division's gonna 589 00:21:42,800 --> 00:21:44,320 Speaker 3: have no more rivalries and we're just gonna wait until 590 00:21:44,320 --> 00:21:46,200 Speaker 3: the Dodgers, Yanks and Mets play each other every single year, 591 00:21:46,320 --> 00:21:48,639 Speaker 3: like the stupid NBA. But although I digress, I think 592 00:21:48,680 --> 00:21:49,919 Speaker 3: I think we killed it enough. I guess, I mean, 593 00:21:49,920 --> 00:21:51,200 Speaker 3: I have two more mens on Winter. I guess he 594 00:21:51,280 --> 00:21:52,800 Speaker 3: just he's a good pitcher, Like I think that's a lot. 595 00:21:52,840 --> 00:21:54,320 Speaker 3: That's how we started this, which is kind of funny. 596 00:21:54,359 --> 00:21:57,760 Speaker 3: Twenty Yeah, let that velocity come back and he's he's 597 00:21:57,760 --> 00:21:59,600 Speaker 3: a good lefty reliever and he probably slots in right 598 00:21:59,640 --> 00:22:01,719 Speaker 3: now as the as the third best reliever, like right 599 00:22:01,760 --> 00:22:03,240 Speaker 3: in between Danielle and ried Garrett. 600 00:22:03,240 --> 00:22:04,320 Speaker 1: And then totally you. 601 00:22:04,280 --> 00:22:05,760 Speaker 3: Probably think there is room because the Mets are at 602 00:22:05,760 --> 00:22:07,720 Speaker 3: two hundred and ninety five ish million dollars, Like I 603 00:22:07,720 --> 00:22:09,160 Speaker 3: think they're going to go over the three on one. 604 00:22:09,320 --> 00:22:11,120 Speaker 3: I pro probably they're so close to it as is, 605 00:22:11,119 --> 00:22:12,960 Speaker 3: they might still need two more players. So you get 606 00:22:12,960 --> 00:22:15,280 Speaker 3: one more major league reliever, you suddenly I think this 607 00:22:15,280 --> 00:22:16,359 Speaker 3: bullpen's kind of cooking. 608 00:22:16,560 --> 00:22:19,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it gets shaping up to be really good. 609 00:22:19,520 --> 00:22:21,760 Speaker 2: Trusting David Stern's got to do it. Always trust him. 610 00:22:22,840 --> 00:22:25,560 Speaker 2: That being said, we did get some more Pete Alonzo 611 00:22:25,640 --> 00:22:29,720 Speaker 2: news after we recorded our last episode. Will Salmon amended 612 00:22:29,720 --> 00:22:32,359 Speaker 2: his report late at night, saying that the Mets actually 613 00:22:32,400 --> 00:22:35,640 Speaker 2: offered opt outs on that three year, seventy million dollar 614 00:22:35,720 --> 00:22:39,359 Speaker 2: contract and we're willing to go slightly higher. I mean, 615 00:22:40,359 --> 00:22:44,000 Speaker 2: what is going on here? Is this a beat problem? 616 00:22:44,080 --> 00:22:46,040 Speaker 2: Is this an ego problem? Is this a bores problem? 617 00:22:46,600 --> 00:22:48,280 Speaker 2: None of it makes any sense. He was gonna be 618 00:22:48,280 --> 00:22:51,040 Speaker 2: making more money than Matt Olson on that deal already 619 00:22:51,320 --> 00:22:54,600 Speaker 2: at the three for seventy felt extremely fair with opt 620 00:22:54,640 --> 00:22:55,680 Speaker 2: oubts insane. 621 00:22:55,760 --> 00:22:57,840 Speaker 1: He didn't take that honestly, Yeah. 622 00:22:57,640 --> 00:22:59,359 Speaker 3: It seemed like such a win win deal. But I 623 00:22:59,480 --> 00:23:01,280 Speaker 3: to think this is a boris thing where he's not 624 00:23:01,440 --> 00:23:03,639 Speaker 3: signing deals for these guys in the middle of January, 625 00:23:03,800 --> 00:23:06,600 Speaker 3: and I think that was the game that Stearns was 626 00:23:06,600 --> 00:23:08,080 Speaker 3: trying to play, where it's like, we can't do this 627 00:23:08,160 --> 00:23:10,080 Speaker 3: March thing. There's too much at sake. This team has 628 00:23:10,119 --> 00:23:11,720 Speaker 3: too much right This is too good of a baseball 629 00:23:11,720 --> 00:23:13,280 Speaker 3: team right now to play this game too March. So 630 00:23:13,440 --> 00:23:15,040 Speaker 3: we're giving you a deal that we think is fair, 631 00:23:15,280 --> 00:23:17,520 Speaker 3: that we think is even slightly above market value, that 632 00:23:17,560 --> 00:23:19,320 Speaker 3: gives it the opportunity to stay here for three years 633 00:23:19,320 --> 00:23:21,040 Speaker 3: if you want to, or gives it the opportunity to 634 00:23:21,040 --> 00:23:22,679 Speaker 3: be a free agent next year. The year after if 635 00:23:22,680 --> 00:23:23,720 Speaker 3: you want to well. 636 00:23:23,680 --> 00:23:25,840 Speaker 2: O the opt out after next year is so phony though, 637 00:23:25,880 --> 00:23:27,760 Speaker 2: because Lad Junior is gonna be a free agent, he 638 00:23:27,840 --> 00:23:29,880 Speaker 2: can't be with him like that. He's gonna be stuck 639 00:23:29,880 --> 00:23:31,639 Speaker 2: in the same thing he is this year, so that 640 00:23:31,680 --> 00:23:33,720 Speaker 2: one's like kind of fake. But if he goes nuclear, 641 00:23:34,000 --> 00:23:36,199 Speaker 2: he would still get a better contract still, he just 642 00:23:36,200 --> 00:23:38,280 Speaker 2: wouldn't be getting the money that he thought he was 643 00:23:38,320 --> 00:23:40,199 Speaker 2: gonna get this offseason, which he's still not. 644 00:23:40,560 --> 00:23:42,560 Speaker 3: It's not even about that. It's about the qualifying offer 645 00:23:42,560 --> 00:23:43,920 Speaker 3: of being attachment. If he can be a free agent 646 00:23:43,960 --> 00:23:45,400 Speaker 3: even if his next year in a market with Lad 647 00:23:45,440 --> 00:23:46,919 Speaker 3: Junior and he doesn't have a qualifying offer. 648 00:23:46,800 --> 00:23:47,680 Speaker 1: That's true. It's a good point. 649 00:23:47,920 --> 00:23:49,280 Speaker 3: He's still for the home run guy. You don't have 650 00:23:49,280 --> 00:23:50,640 Speaker 3: to give him a draft pick for like, that's still 651 00:23:50,680 --> 00:23:53,160 Speaker 3: something that's super valuable contextually with every with everything else, 652 00:23:53,200 --> 00:23:55,680 Speaker 3: like we're seeing how much different, how much more difficult this is. 653 00:23:55,680 --> 00:23:57,359 Speaker 3: These guys are qualifying offer, they get these deals, like 654 00:23:57,359 --> 00:23:59,639 Speaker 3: I don't know, there's literally no buzz in Anthony's there 655 00:23:59,680 --> 00:24:01,960 Speaker 3: and any action. It's completely quiet. At least Pete has 656 00:24:02,560 --> 00:24:04,600 Speaker 3: a minor market of the Mets, But otherwise it's just 657 00:24:04,640 --> 00:24:07,159 Speaker 3: like there's nothing really going on there and it's a 658 00:24:07,160 --> 00:24:09,080 Speaker 3: funny situation. There was also some weird thing but another 659 00:24:09,119 --> 00:24:11,600 Speaker 3: another media marvel throw in here late Joe Biningo hop 660 00:24:11,640 --> 00:24:14,960 Speaker 3: back on the Sticks and WFM this week he went 661 00:24:15,040 --> 00:24:18,119 Speaker 3: off on Stern, saying that sterns like is he's like 662 00:24:18,200 --> 00:24:20,440 Speaker 3: undermining METS fans. He thinks he's the smartest guy in 663 00:24:20,480 --> 00:24:23,320 Speaker 3: the room is and like it's like because he went 664 00:24:23,359 --> 00:24:26,439 Speaker 3: to Harvard, it's like that usually helps. It's ridiculous that 665 00:24:26,480 --> 00:24:28,480 Speaker 3: he's doing he's low balling Pee Alonzo and doing this 666 00:24:28,520 --> 00:24:30,400 Speaker 3: to him where it's like this isn't I don't know. 667 00:24:30,880 --> 00:24:32,760 Speaker 3: I feel like the way all these reports came out, 668 00:24:32,800 --> 00:24:34,879 Speaker 3: like I said before, I'll say it again, it seems 669 00:24:34,920 --> 00:24:37,200 Speaker 3: like a lot of muzzling on both sides at this point, yes, 670 00:24:37,200 --> 00:24:39,720 Speaker 3: where everyone's kind of throwing some misinformation, Like we still 671 00:24:39,760 --> 00:24:41,600 Speaker 3: don't know exactly if that three for seventy of the 672 00:24:41,600 --> 00:24:43,439 Speaker 3: opt outs was true. The way it came out does 673 00:24:43,480 --> 00:24:45,359 Speaker 3: seem like it definitely was true, and I trust Will 674 00:24:45,400 --> 00:24:47,560 Speaker 3: He's a tremendous report there. But the fact that's just 675 00:24:47,600 --> 00:24:51,400 Speaker 3: like the continuous, continuous mouthpieces of Hayman Sherman like over 676 00:24:51,440 --> 00:24:53,919 Speaker 3: and over again, like NonStop, we're putting these reports. 677 00:24:54,119 --> 00:24:56,080 Speaker 2: We know Martinez the Met's mouthpiece, and we know that 678 00:24:56,160 --> 00:24:57,560 Speaker 2: Sherman and Hayman are boreses. 679 00:24:57,600 --> 00:25:00,000 Speaker 3: So so it's just like it's literally combat back and forth, 680 00:25:00,040 --> 00:25:01,920 Speaker 3: back and forth, back and forth, non stop about who's 681 00:25:01,960 --> 00:25:04,400 Speaker 3: going to like sway the court of public opinion more. 682 00:25:04,440 --> 00:25:06,879 Speaker 3: And it just seems to me like Pilanzo probably got 683 00:25:06,920 --> 00:25:09,119 Speaker 3: a fair offer, and Scott Boris is like, we're we're waiting. 684 00:25:09,760 --> 00:25:11,719 Speaker 2: I mean, we might look back at this is one 685 00:25:11,720 --> 00:25:14,359 Speaker 2: of the biggest botches and free agents ever, free agency ever. 686 00:25:14,520 --> 00:25:15,280 Speaker 1: If Pete is. 687 00:25:15,240 --> 00:25:18,000 Speaker 3: Continuing to him hath yeah, yeah, his bag fumbling is 688 00:25:18,000 --> 00:25:20,640 Speaker 3: already generational. So he turned down seven year, one hundred 689 00:25:20,640 --> 00:25:22,840 Speaker 3: and fifty five million dollars deal last year or two years 690 00:25:22,840 --> 00:25:23,560 Speaker 3: ago whatever, that was. 691 00:25:23,600 --> 00:25:24,920 Speaker 1: Crazy, he turned that down. 692 00:25:25,359 --> 00:25:27,760 Speaker 3: It's also so funny to see the differences in the 693 00:25:27,760 --> 00:25:29,439 Speaker 3: way that Mets fans are approaching this, like shout out 694 00:25:29,480 --> 00:25:31,959 Speaker 3: all of you guys in our comments, like it's but 695 00:25:32,000 --> 00:25:34,000 Speaker 3: it is. It's one of the most divisive things that's happenings. 696 00:25:34,160 --> 00:25:35,800 Speaker 3: It's like there's a lot of people like always they 697 00:25:35,800 --> 00:25:37,679 Speaker 3: are gonna be really hard on both sides where the 698 00:25:37,720 --> 00:25:40,640 Speaker 3: one size like you have to keep Pete generational, great, 699 00:25:40,720 --> 00:25:42,680 Speaker 3: it's embarrassing. What's going on the other half is like 700 00:25:42,720 --> 00:25:44,320 Speaker 3: pissed off a peep because I think he's turning down 701 00:25:44,359 --> 00:25:47,000 Speaker 3: like legitimately fair offers where it's like you're not worth it. 702 00:25:46,960 --> 00:25:48,880 Speaker 1: You thought you were worth What do you want dude? 703 00:25:49,080 --> 00:25:50,439 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's like then, But then like I think some 704 00:25:50,440 --> 00:25:52,440 Speaker 3: people are gat vilifying Pee, which I think isn't super 705 00:25:52,440 --> 00:25:54,439 Speaker 3: fair because again, like I said, like, if you're an athlete, 706 00:25:54,480 --> 00:25:57,800 Speaker 3: get your back guy, but you have to be reasonable 707 00:25:57,800 --> 00:25:59,640 Speaker 3: with yourself in the market, Like you can't pretend something 708 00:25:59,680 --> 00:26:00,800 Speaker 3: exists that isn't really there. 709 00:26:01,080 --> 00:26:02,280 Speaker 1: This is getting his bag. 710 00:26:02,400 --> 00:26:04,800 Speaker 2: Three for seventy would be getting his bag because he's 711 00:26:04,800 --> 00:26:06,639 Speaker 2: gonna be paid like the third best for his basement 712 00:26:06,680 --> 00:26:07,679 Speaker 2: in baseball, which he's not. 713 00:26:08,640 --> 00:26:11,919 Speaker 3: And I still will not believe Pete's now a met 714 00:26:12,000 --> 00:26:13,520 Speaker 3: until he's not a met, until he signs on the 715 00:26:13,560 --> 00:26:17,040 Speaker 3: dited line somewhere else. I'm still maybe again, I'm just 716 00:26:17,119 --> 00:26:19,159 Speaker 3: I'm delusional, But I don't want to admit this and 717 00:26:19,200 --> 00:26:20,800 Speaker 3: come to terms of this yet and get emotionally yet. 718 00:26:20,840 --> 00:26:22,640 Speaker 3: But I just still think that as long as he's 719 00:26:22,960 --> 00:26:24,720 Speaker 3: he's not on another team, he's a good chance he's 720 00:26:24,720 --> 00:26:25,160 Speaker 3: still a Met. 721 00:26:25,359 --> 00:26:27,720 Speaker 2: If he's not taking three for seventy with opt outs 722 00:26:27,760 --> 00:26:30,080 Speaker 2: from the Mets, who is he getting a contract from? 723 00:26:30,119 --> 00:26:32,760 Speaker 2: Who is giving him anything better than that? And if 724 00:26:32,800 --> 00:26:35,000 Speaker 2: he wants, like if he ever becomes cheap enough where 725 00:26:35,000 --> 00:26:37,199 Speaker 2: other teams could be interested, like the Mariners are pirates, 726 00:26:37,200 --> 00:26:38,879 Speaker 2: Like what are they gonna do? The Mets will just 727 00:26:38,920 --> 00:26:41,320 Speaker 2: give him a better contract. House is brain blasted too, 728 00:26:41,359 --> 00:26:42,879 Speaker 2: This is interest brain blast. That was crazy. 729 00:26:43,200 --> 00:26:45,879 Speaker 3: Theoretically, pulling this offer off the table by the Mets 730 00:26:45,920 --> 00:26:48,640 Speaker 3: also kind of maintains their own leverage because if it's 731 00:26:48,680 --> 00:26:50,600 Speaker 3: public that the Mets have a standing three or offer 732 00:26:50,600 --> 00:26:52,919 Speaker 3: out there for Pete and he can sign whenever he 733 00:26:52,960 --> 00:26:55,000 Speaker 3: wants to him a boris no, all right, someone gives 734 00:26:55,080 --> 00:26:56,679 Speaker 3: us a fourth year. That's where're going. Yeah, but this 735 00:26:56,720 --> 00:26:58,760 Speaker 3: offer is not on the table. There's no way, there's 736 00:26:58,760 --> 00:27:00,200 Speaker 3: no reason for any teams to actually give a fourth 737 00:27:00,240 --> 00:27:02,359 Speaker 3: year at this point of course. Not no, all right. 738 00:27:02,359 --> 00:27:04,000 Speaker 3: So that's another great move by starting its being like, yeah, 739 00:27:04,000 --> 00:27:05,520 Speaker 3: we're moving on, watch us move on. You see, we're 740 00:27:05,520 --> 00:27:08,280 Speaker 3: publicly moving on. This steels not on the table, guys, 741 00:27:08,359 --> 00:27:10,800 Speaker 3: Jesse Winker meant it. We've given out the twenty million 742 00:27:10,840 --> 00:27:13,160 Speaker 3: dollars already, so like maybe that is another another play 743 00:27:13,160 --> 00:27:15,040 Speaker 3: at this where you could just keep waiting this game 744 00:27:15,080 --> 00:27:16,639 Speaker 3: and if you if you know you can do your 745 00:27:16,640 --> 00:27:18,720 Speaker 3: back channels, and you know that they still don't have 746 00:27:18,800 --> 00:27:21,160 Speaker 3: a market, it probably probably still leaves his door cracked open. 747 00:27:21,359 --> 00:27:24,159 Speaker 2: Peter alonzo A met I gotta ask you before, is 748 00:27:24,160 --> 00:27:26,080 Speaker 2: Peter alonzo A met by opening day? 749 00:27:26,160 --> 00:27:26,639 Speaker 1: Yes or no? 750 00:27:27,119 --> 00:27:29,200 Speaker 3: I still think yes. I'm delusional. I still think yes. 751 00:27:29,359 --> 00:27:30,080 Speaker 3: It is crazy. 752 00:27:30,240 --> 00:27:32,000 Speaker 2: I'm for the first time on the side of I 753 00:27:32,000 --> 00:27:34,080 Speaker 2: don't think so. I think it's over. It's it's getting ugly, 754 00:27:34,119 --> 00:27:35,400 Speaker 2: and I don't think it's gonna end well. 755 00:27:35,960 --> 00:27:40,119 Speaker 3: I mean again, the point prevails that there's no other market. 756 00:27:40,200 --> 00:27:43,159 Speaker 3: That's until one thing, until the other market comes up. 757 00:27:43,160 --> 00:27:44,760 Speaker 3: Like I don't know how that. I don't know how 758 00:27:44,800 --> 00:27:46,320 Speaker 3: he is. Who's gonna give him the contract? 759 00:27:46,320 --> 00:27:46,480 Speaker 1: Again? 760 00:27:46,520 --> 00:27:48,359 Speaker 3: Like a team like the Marintors. We said it before. 761 00:27:48,800 --> 00:27:51,520 Speaker 3: They have the second best rotation in baseball, maybe the 762 00:27:51,520 --> 00:27:53,000 Speaker 3: third best behind the Yankees, but one of the best 763 00:27:53,080 --> 00:27:56,199 Speaker 3: rotations in baseball, and they have at the end, they 764 00:27:56,200 --> 00:27:58,080 Speaker 3: have a pretty good outfield, and they have a good catcher, 765 00:27:58,119 --> 00:27:59,720 Speaker 3: and they have a good bullpen, and they have no 766 00:27:59,760 --> 00:28:00,520 Speaker 3: fuck infields. 767 00:28:00,600 --> 00:28:02,960 Speaker 1: I do players to you on the infield First base 768 00:28:03,080 --> 00:28:05,480 Speaker 1: is Luke Rayley. I like Luke Rayley, but you. 769 00:28:05,440 --> 00:28:09,439 Speaker 2: Know complustions, second base, Dylan Moore, third base, Donnie Barrels, 770 00:28:09,440 --> 00:28:12,199 Speaker 2: Donovan Solano, short top, JP Crawford who after having a 771 00:28:12,200 --> 00:28:14,880 Speaker 2: great year went immediately back to being terrible. So, like 772 00:28:15,520 --> 00:28:17,960 Speaker 2: Mitch Haniger, is their d H right now? I mean 773 00:28:18,000 --> 00:28:22,240 Speaker 2: there is some serious concerns where they have three major 774 00:28:22,320 --> 00:28:24,439 Speaker 2: league hitters right now in this lineup that you can trust, 775 00:28:24,480 --> 00:28:26,760 Speaker 2: concern four four major league hitters that you can trust 776 00:28:26,920 --> 00:28:28,000 Speaker 2: on a daily basis right now. 777 00:28:28,000 --> 00:28:29,879 Speaker 1: And Victor Robles I still think is very much a 778 00:28:29,880 --> 00:28:31,120 Speaker 1: wild card. Yeah. 779 00:28:31,119 --> 00:28:32,840 Speaker 3: And then also you look at the Pirates lineup where 780 00:28:32,840 --> 00:28:35,480 Speaker 3: they only have like three ish players projected to be 781 00:28:35,520 --> 00:28:37,439 Speaker 3: a better than le gaveraged by WRC plus and as 782 00:28:37,480 --> 00:28:40,120 Speaker 3: Brian Reynolds, O'Neil Cruz and Spencer Horror with your Boy, 783 00:28:40,120 --> 00:28:42,920 Speaker 3: and I guess Andrew mccutchon. But then is Isaiah Keene, Fileffa, 784 00:28:43,560 --> 00:28:45,720 Speaker 3: Joey bart, Nick gon zals Key, Brian Hayes and josh 785 00:28:45,800 --> 00:28:47,320 Speaker 3: Uaplaci as it fell out. The rest of that team, 786 00:28:47,440 --> 00:28:50,120 Speaker 3: with Nick York, Billy Cook, Jason Delay, and Jared Cciolo 787 00:28:50,160 --> 00:28:54,400 Speaker 3: as the projected opening day bench. Like like for the 788 00:28:54,440 --> 00:28:55,880 Speaker 3: home runs, the middle of that lineup will probably help 789 00:28:55,920 --> 00:28:57,120 Speaker 3: a ship ton If you guys want to get to 790 00:28:57,160 --> 00:28:58,560 Speaker 3: the playoffs while you still have Paul. 791 00:28:58,400 --> 00:29:00,920 Speaker 2: Skeens, Yeah, because he's whatever, he available to leave he 792 00:29:01,040 --> 00:29:02,560 Speaker 2: is out of there, especially with. 793 00:29:02,560 --> 00:29:04,640 Speaker 1: The way that they seem to be spending money. You 794 00:29:04,680 --> 00:29:05,440 Speaker 1: can smile him later. 795 00:29:05,440 --> 00:29:06,800 Speaker 2: All right, I don't know. I think that's pretty much it. 796 00:29:06,800 --> 00:29:08,600 Speaker 2: We got about thirty minutes for you guys on met stuff. 797 00:29:08,800 --> 00:29:10,719 Speaker 2: Thanks so much for listening and watching this episode. 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