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Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is

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Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or

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Speaker 1: learn the stuff they don't want you to know. M

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Speaker 1: welcome back to the show. My name is Matt, my

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Speaker 1: name is Noel. They call me Ben. We are joined

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Speaker 1: with our returning guest super producer Casey the con pegrom

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Speaker 1: k h A n Yes. Very important. Also, most importantly,

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Speaker 1: you are you. You are here that makes this stuff

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Speaker 1: they don't want you to know. Today's episode is a

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Speaker 1: bit of a rabbit hole for us. I mean every

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Speaker 1: episode is a bit of a rabbit hole for everyone involved.

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Speaker 1: But we have a little bit of backstory here. In

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Speaker 1: a previous episode of this show, we explored this strange,

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Speaker 1: ongoing and likely doomed quest to find the grave of

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Speaker 1: Jengis Khan, and we also discovered that is the correct pronunciation, Yes,

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Speaker 1: Genghis Khan like like Jenga like the game New No. No,

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Speaker 1: that's Carl Tart. And along the way we learned that

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Speaker 1: not only is it's nearly impossible for anyone to find

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Speaker 1: share that information. But we learned a lesson that Matt,

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Speaker 1: you and I learned years and years ago when we

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Speaker 1: looked at lost civilizations, and that is that this species

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Speaker 1: on the whole is just terrible at holding onto or

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Speaker 1: remembering anything. We've lost the location of tons of other

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Speaker 1: immensely important historical figures. And sure some times that's through honest,

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Speaker 1: bone headed mistakes, moments of instability and confusion as empires

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Speaker 1: it's through purposeful obstfucation. But before we explore all the famous,

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Speaker 1: there's some deceptive number play at work here. When you

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Speaker 1: think about it, folks, most people's tombs are lost. Over

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Speaker 1: of people's tums are lost in the big picture. But

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Speaker 1: the facts. Well, it's a combination of quite a few

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Speaker 1: different factors. But um, overall, there are two really important

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Speaker 1: first tombs were expensive and on slee that's not any

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Speaker 1: and even then you got to pay for a damn urn. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: funerals are a racket in this I can't recall whether

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Speaker 1: we've done an episode on this yet, but funerals are

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Speaker 1: overpaying for things in memory of their loved one or

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Speaker 1: know it's it's the old Bernts thing that we talked

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Speaker 1: a future episode. Tell us about the magazine subscriptions that

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Speaker 1: you are non consensually receiving and and I we'll hatch

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Speaker 1: this conspiracy with you if you need it. It's a

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Speaker 1: bit unethical, but if you have a subscription that you

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Speaker 1: want people to think you are non consensually receiving, right

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Speaker 1: to us, and we will totally pretend that you are

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Speaker 1: non consentually receiving it beautiful. Someone's like, no, I hate

430
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Speaker 1: uh Horseback Monthly. So it's there's so many weird magazines. Yeah, gosh,

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00:27:13,960 --> 00:27:15,720
Speaker 1: well okay, yeah, we're gonna do an episode on that.

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Speaker 1: Let's let's let's definitely do that. And let's also jump

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Speaker 1: forward to a really cool figure in history, Mr Thomas Paine. Yes,

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Speaker 1: let's bring the pain, Matt. What's what's the gist about

435
00:27:27,240 --> 00:27:30,800
Speaker 1: this guy? Well, he's a he's an Englishman, an England

436
00:27:30,800 --> 00:27:34,840
Speaker 1: born political philosopher. He's a writer. You certainly have heard

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00:27:34,880 --> 00:27:38,400
Speaker 1: about him. He supported the revolutionary causes in both America

438
00:27:38,480 --> 00:27:41,880
Speaker 1: and in Europe. He's perhaps best known for the old

439
00:27:41,960 --> 00:27:46,440
Speaker 1: seventeen seventies six essay Common Sense, along with other works

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Speaker 1: such as The American Crisis, Rights of Man and the

441
00:27:49,880 --> 00:27:53,400
Speaker 1: Age of Reason, which is a really great read. Actually,

442
00:27:53,440 --> 00:27:55,560
Speaker 1: and I didn't expect it to be when I when

443
00:27:55,560 --> 00:27:59,000
Speaker 1: I cracked that thing open, it's very readable. It's it's

444
00:27:59,000 --> 00:28:02,680
Speaker 1: it's strange because I think we sometimes have a stereotype

445
00:28:02,680 --> 00:28:05,160
Speaker 1: about things written in English in that period of time

446
00:28:05,200 --> 00:28:07,159
Speaker 1: where they're going to be dry and every sentence is

447
00:28:07,160 --> 00:28:09,520
Speaker 1: going to be three paragraphs long. Yes, and you're not

448
00:28:09,560 --> 00:28:13,800
Speaker 1: gonna understand most of it. Largely responsible for the philosophy

449
00:28:13,840 --> 00:28:18,800
Speaker 1: behind Enlightenment thinking. And also are our monument buddies, the

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Speaker 1: Georgia Guides Noose, yes exactly. Pain influence on those those

451
00:28:23,560 --> 00:28:26,520
Speaker 1: guys huge, they were huge. End of the pain. That

452
00:28:26,640 --> 00:28:30,280
Speaker 1: is a weird mixed accent. And again my grandfather. The

453
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Speaker 1: reason why I read it is because my grandfather, old Papa,

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00:28:32,520 --> 00:28:34,720
Speaker 1: brought it, brought it to my attention. It's a it's

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Speaker 1: a good read, you know, and I know I know

456
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Speaker 1: these the idea there are certain trigger words people here

457
00:28:40,640 --> 00:28:42,480
Speaker 1: that make them not want to read things. One of

458
00:28:42,520 --> 00:28:47,640
Speaker 1: those is essay. The other is you know the reason rights.

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00:28:48,160 --> 00:28:53,080
Speaker 1: But but he was writing to communicate with the common people,

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Speaker 1: you know what I mean. He wasn't trying to do

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Speaker 1: fancy acts of rhetorical gymnastics or acrobatics. But eventually, despite

462
00:29:02,920 --> 00:29:06,320
Speaker 1: all the great things that he did, he also spoiler

463
00:29:06,320 --> 00:29:09,640
Speaker 1: alert died. Man. I was hoping it was going to

464
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Speaker 1: go the other way. He's outside of the studio right now, Matt,

465
00:29:12,840 --> 00:29:17,280
Speaker 1: waiting to talk to you. I only wish about his

466
00:29:17,360 --> 00:29:19,760
Speaker 1: multi level marketing scheme. Oh god, it's kind of a

467
00:29:20,440 --> 00:29:24,360
Speaker 1: new Central Oils again paint. Uh. So. He died on

468
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Speaker 1: June eighteen o nine in New York City, and today

469
00:29:28,680 --> 00:29:31,400
Speaker 1: he is the only founding father that does not have

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Speaker 1: an official grave site that you can go and visit.

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Speaker 1: There Isn't that crazy? I'm so surprised. Why, let's talk

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Speaker 1: about what happened. Let's so. He was first buried in

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Speaker 1: New Rochelle, New York, on his farm after the Quakers

474
00:29:49,720 --> 00:29:53,720
Speaker 1: refused him, in a town that was very, very hostile

475
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Speaker 1: towards this man. Yeah, because he criticized the Quakers during

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Speaker 1: his lifetime for their pacifism and for some of their

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Speaker 1: other political beliefs. That's right, And in eighteen nineteen, a

478
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Speaker 1: Pain admirer named William Cobbett, himself a Democrat, a democratic

479
00:30:11,840 --> 00:30:16,640
Speaker 1: advocate rather from England, saw the disrespect that Pain received

480
00:30:17,080 --> 00:30:19,200
Speaker 1: where he was buried, and decided to dig him up.

481
00:30:19,840 --> 00:30:21,800
Speaker 1: Took it upon himself to dig the man up. Just

482
00:30:21,800 --> 00:30:25,719
Speaker 1: grab the shovel, grabbed a shovel, heart one, that's true, uh,

483
00:30:25,760 --> 00:30:28,200
Speaker 1: and to take him to England where he would be

484
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Speaker 1: treated with more respect um. And he wanted to help

485
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Speaker 1: spur the movement for democracy there, so I guess he

486
00:30:33,520 --> 00:30:36,560
Speaker 1: saw this as sort of a symbolic act. Yeah, again,

487
00:30:36,680 --> 00:30:39,960
Speaker 1: using a dead body for almost a for definitely a

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Speaker 1: political reason and did it work. Not really, There's still

489
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Speaker 1: a monarchy in that area of the world. There's a parliament, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: house of lords in a House of Commons. That should

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Speaker 1: tell you what you need to know. Well, here in

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Speaker 1: the States we basically just have two houses of lords.

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Speaker 1: So at least I don't know, I don't know. This

494
00:30:56,960 --> 00:30:59,880
Speaker 1: isn't that kind of the same thing. The representatives representative people,

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Speaker 1: which would be the Commons, and then the senators are

496
00:31:02,880 --> 00:31:07,800
Speaker 1: more like the lord's. The senators on paper also supposed

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Speaker 1: to represent the people. Psych So over the years Pain's

498
00:31:14,120 --> 00:31:20,479
Speaker 1: body was was divided, it was split, the bones were

499
00:31:20,560 --> 00:31:27,480
Speaker 1: circulated across the planet. People were making relics of his remains,

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00:31:28,480 --> 00:31:31,800
Speaker 1: and now we have we we don't know where the

501
00:31:31,800 --> 00:31:34,520
Speaker 1: bones are. We don't know where pieces of this guy's

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00:31:34,560 --> 00:31:38,560
Speaker 1: body are. There's a Thomas Pain foundation that has some

503
00:31:38,680 --> 00:31:40,520
Speaker 1: of his hair and a bit of his brain. They

504
00:31:40,520 --> 00:31:43,880
Speaker 1: admit to owning that. But there were unverified rumors that

505
00:31:44,160 --> 00:31:48,160
Speaker 1: some of Thomas Paine's bones were cut into get this

506
00:31:48,320 --> 00:31:52,880
Speaker 1: guy's buttons and sold to finance the revolution. But the

507
00:31:52,920 --> 00:31:55,360
Speaker 1: thing is kind of like in the Middle Ages when

508
00:31:55,640 --> 00:32:00,920
Speaker 1: people would unscrupulously sell, you know, slivers of the Jesus

509
00:32:01,040 --> 00:32:04,240
Speaker 1: the cross on which Jesus Christ was crucified. There are

510
00:32:04,440 --> 00:32:08,800
Speaker 1: enough slivers of that stuff to make a forest essentially,

511
00:32:08,800 --> 00:32:12,120
Speaker 1: where it's like those Passion of the Christ necklaces. Oh yeah,

512
00:32:12,320 --> 00:32:15,680
Speaker 1: or any and all holy water ever, well, holy water,

513
00:32:15,800 --> 00:32:18,000
Speaker 1: you can you could just make holy water. That's what

514
00:32:18,000 --> 00:32:20,320
Speaker 1: I'm saying, was was you we were having I was

515
00:32:20,360 --> 00:32:26,040
Speaker 1: having this conversation with somebody about hunting vampires. In vampire films,

516
00:32:27,240 --> 00:32:30,360
Speaker 1: there's almost always a priest right, and the priest has

517
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Speaker 1: the ability to bless water, making it holy and therefore, uh,

518
00:32:34,920 --> 00:32:38,880
Speaker 1: dangerous for vampires. Why don't they just like bless a

519
00:32:38,960 --> 00:32:44,520
Speaker 1: water treatment system or like a storm or something. Well, yeah,

520
00:32:44,600 --> 00:32:47,800
Speaker 1: how does it work to start getting buckets? Well, anyway, there,

521
00:32:47,920 --> 00:32:51,640
Speaker 1: there you go, vampire producers who check out our show.

522
00:32:52,240 --> 00:32:54,960
Speaker 1: And now that now that the Universal Life Church of

523
00:32:55,040 --> 00:32:59,200
Speaker 1: California exists, literally all of us have a massive defense

524
00:32:59,240 --> 00:33:01,760
Speaker 1: of it against empires because we can just get ordained

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00:33:01,800 --> 00:33:04,080
Speaker 1: with in a few minutes. Isn't that where your ordination

526
00:33:05,480 --> 00:33:08,560
Speaker 1: and me as well? Exactly the only one is not ordained. Yes,

527
00:33:08,640 --> 00:33:10,920
Speaker 1: we've talked about this. Let on this train, but I

528
00:33:10,920 --> 00:33:13,440
Speaker 1: guess I gotta get on the ordained train casey is ordained.

529
00:33:13,480 --> 00:33:15,400
Speaker 1: Look at him, he's in he's in three or four

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00:33:15,440 --> 00:33:18,680
Speaker 1: different sects that he's a minister for. And I think

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00:33:18,920 --> 00:33:22,400
Speaker 1: a priest, a priestess, and what was the other thing,

532
00:33:22,600 --> 00:33:27,760
Speaker 1: um a shaman. He's a major. Are you making this up? Yes? Yes? Yes?

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00:33:29,800 --> 00:33:34,080
Speaker 1: Uh so, So back to this idea of counterfeiting relics

534
00:33:34,640 --> 00:33:38,880
Speaker 1: very common in ancient days and surprisingly common still in

535
00:33:38,920 --> 00:33:44,080
Speaker 1: the eighteen hundreds, there were more buttons that were purportedly

536
00:33:44,240 --> 00:33:47,560
Speaker 1: Thomas Paine's bones that were sold than could have come

537
00:33:47,600 --> 00:33:51,960
Speaker 1: from ten bodies. You could you could build a jam

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00:33:52,040 --> 00:33:56,760
Speaker 1: band off the amount of buttons sold, well, the skeletons

539
00:33:56,760 --> 00:33:59,640
Speaker 1: of a jam band. Yeah, what it makes you wonder

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00:34:00,200 --> 00:34:02,480
Speaker 1: who else was in that jam band that ended up

541
00:34:02,680 --> 00:34:05,440
Speaker 1: as a Thomas Pain button. Yes, these are also the

542
00:34:05,520 --> 00:34:08,160
Speaker 1: days of resurrection, then, weren't they. Do you think that

543
00:34:08,200 --> 00:34:10,960
Speaker 1: any of those are still around and they're confirmed to

544
00:34:11,160 --> 00:34:15,279
Speaker 1: be Pain buttons around? Yes? Confirmed? No, because how could you?

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00:34:15,520 --> 00:34:20,120
Speaker 1: Well you could there there are there are some forms

546
00:34:20,120 --> 00:34:22,040
Speaker 1: of testing could do to verify it, because there are

547
00:34:22,080 --> 00:34:24,520
Speaker 1: rumors of a leg bone hanging in a wall of

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00:34:24,520 --> 00:34:27,160
Speaker 1: a tavern in England, and then there are other place

549
00:34:27,400 --> 00:34:29,520
Speaker 1: that would be Thomas Paine. Right, that's a large enough

550
00:34:29,560 --> 00:34:32,880
Speaker 1: sample where you could try to do some investigatory thing.

551
00:34:32,920 --> 00:34:35,000
Speaker 1: You could probably at least narrow down the time frame

552
00:34:35,080 --> 00:34:37,040
Speaker 1: and the region. Was that kind of what you're saying, right,

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00:34:37,320 --> 00:34:40,040
Speaker 1: You could you could do some analyses that would indicate

554
00:34:40,080 --> 00:34:42,880
Speaker 1: that there are also some pieces that were claimed in Europe.

555
00:34:43,200 --> 00:34:46,960
Speaker 1: It's possible that the skull has been located in Wales

556
00:34:47,040 --> 00:34:51,120
Speaker 1: and then later moved to Australia, but to the point,

557
00:34:51,200 --> 00:34:54,600
Speaker 1: no testing is confirmed this and today it seems that

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00:34:54,719 --> 00:35:00,239
Speaker 1: Pain's remains are largely scattered amidst various grizzly collections and

559
00:35:00,440 --> 00:35:05,040
Speaker 1: some unscrupulous private collectors. There are more of these people

560
00:35:05,040 --> 00:35:09,080
Speaker 1: than you think. My friends have likely have pieces of

561
00:35:09,120 --> 00:35:12,640
Speaker 1: Thomas Paine held in a secret collection today, sort of

562
00:35:12,680 --> 00:35:17,160
Speaker 1: the way that particular secret society here in the United

563
00:35:17,239 --> 00:35:23,400
Speaker 1: States collects skulls. That is wow, creatively named the Skull

564
00:35:23,480 --> 00:35:26,160
Speaker 1: and Bones. By the way, that's who we're talking about. Yeah,

565
00:35:26,239 --> 00:35:28,239
Speaker 1: that is true. Just sitting there, do you think maybe

566
00:35:28,280 --> 00:35:30,600
Speaker 1: they haven't. I don't know. I don't know, but you

567
00:35:30,640 --> 00:35:33,120
Speaker 1: know what, honestly, I would not be that surprised if

568
00:35:33,120 --> 00:35:35,040
Speaker 1: they had a piece of it. It would make so

569
00:35:35,160 --> 00:35:38,200
Speaker 1: much sense. Oh yeah, that's Yale. Oh dude, they totally

570
00:35:38,200 --> 00:35:41,840
Speaker 1: have something in there. Hey. By the way, three and me,

571
00:35:41,880 --> 00:35:45,240
Speaker 1: if you're listening, just whoever you are, I saw this news.

572
00:35:45,320 --> 00:35:46,839
Speaker 1: Just go ahead and just get on there and just

573
00:35:46,880 --> 00:35:50,160
Speaker 1: start just testing them bones especially go to the Skull

574
00:35:50,200 --> 00:35:54,000
Speaker 1: and Bones first. Oh, I thought you were talking about

575
00:35:54,040 --> 00:35:58,560
Speaker 1: the twenty three and me news that just came out. Okay,

576
00:35:59,320 --> 00:36:05,480
Speaker 1: super due there could we get a breaking news sound cue?

577
00:36:07,080 --> 00:36:10,480
Speaker 1: So twenty three and Me has teamed up with a

578
00:36:10,600 --> 00:36:16,640
Speaker 1: drug manufacturer pharmaceutical giant named Glaxo like Smith Klein. Uh huh,

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Speaker 1: Glaxo Smith Klein. They're giving the they're giving away the

580
00:36:21,440 --> 00:36:25,360
Speaker 1: DNA test results of the five million something customers of

581
00:36:25,400 --> 00:36:28,680
Speaker 1: twenty three and me what Claxus Smith Climb will use

582
00:36:28,760 --> 00:36:35,000
Speaker 1: this data to create research and create new drugs. I'm sorry,

583
00:36:35,920 --> 00:36:39,239
Speaker 1: I'm sorry called it, called it. He said it was

584
00:36:39,239 --> 00:36:43,720
Speaker 1: going to happen. Oh my god, I gotta tell Jason,

585
00:36:44,080 --> 00:36:47,680
Speaker 1: our executive producer, because he totally just did that. Well,

586
00:36:48,080 --> 00:36:52,560
Speaker 1: go ahead and preemptively thank him for possibly contributing to

587
00:36:52,640 --> 00:36:56,040
Speaker 1: important medical research. There you go, there you go against

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00:36:56,080 --> 00:36:59,560
Speaker 1: his Well well, I mean, yeah, he clicked the terms

589
00:36:59,600 --> 00:37:02,680
Speaker 1: of serve us. You know, once you do that, it's

590
00:37:02,719 --> 00:37:05,040
Speaker 1: like you don't know what's going to happen. It's that

591
00:37:05,200 --> 00:37:08,080
Speaker 1: told us. They told us in their offices they wouldn't

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00:37:08,080 --> 00:37:10,200
Speaker 1: do this. So should we take a little break before

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00:37:10,239 --> 00:37:13,759
Speaker 1: we get to rumored burial places. Sounds good. Let's do

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00:37:13,800 --> 00:37:22,920
Speaker 1: it and we are back, as Matt would say, with

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00:37:22,960 --> 00:37:26,480
Speaker 1: no delay. He said it once and I was taken

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Speaker 1: by it. I don't know what it means, but I

597
00:37:28,400 --> 00:37:31,279
Speaker 1: like it very much. Yeah, you can hear this is

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00:37:31,320 --> 00:37:34,240
Speaker 1: a very dry track. There aren't a lot of effects

599
00:37:34,280 --> 00:37:37,080
Speaker 1: on it. That's right, definitely, no delay. No delay. Also

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00:37:37,120 --> 00:37:39,960
Speaker 1: it means that we're getting right to it. Rumored burial

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Speaker 1: places number one with a bullet on the list. The

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Speaker 1: Queen Nefertiti of ancient Egypt. She was a queen of Egypt,

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Speaker 1: the wife of the pharaoh Akanatan, who ruled in the

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Speaker 1: mid fourteenth century b c. E um So before Nefertiti,

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Speaker 1: Nakanat in Egypt had been a polytheistic civilization, worshiping entire

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Speaker 1: pantheon of anthropomorphic animal deities, ranging from the crocodile god

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00:38:05,520 --> 00:38:08,319
Speaker 1: so Beek, who was depicted often as a man with

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00:38:08,360 --> 00:38:10,640
Speaker 1: the head of a crocodile, a staff in one hand

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00:38:10,680 --> 00:38:13,319
Speaker 1: and an onc that Egyptian symbol a little loop with

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00:38:13,360 --> 00:38:15,920
Speaker 1: the cross through it um in the other, and with

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00:38:16,080 --> 00:38:20,080
Speaker 1: a weirdly a giant golden temple um acting as some

612
00:38:20,160 --> 00:38:22,800
Speaker 1: sort of larger than life crown sitting atop his scaly

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00:38:23,000 --> 00:38:25,960
Speaker 1: head um. And then you had like God's like a Nubis,

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00:38:26,040 --> 00:38:27,719
Speaker 1: who has depicted the god of the Dead, who was

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00:38:27,760 --> 00:38:30,920
Speaker 1: depicted very much the same way as Sobek, was only

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Speaker 1: with the head of a jackal and a last no

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00:38:33,480 --> 00:38:37,240
Speaker 1: golden temple headpiece. Yeah, I love I love the idea

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Speaker 1: of all the gods being a person with a different

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Speaker 1: animal head. That is really I actually really like that.

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00:38:42,440 --> 00:38:44,880
Speaker 1: But here's the thing, um aka Natan and his queen

621
00:38:45,239 --> 00:38:49,680
Speaker 1: thought this whole worshiping multiple animal headed gods was for

622
00:38:49,840 --> 00:38:52,600
Speaker 1: the literal birds, not not to be confused with the

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Speaker 1: ibis headed god of wisdom. Thought, which is so fun

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00:38:56,080 --> 00:38:57,600
Speaker 1: to say. Thought. It's since I got a th h

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00:38:57,680 --> 00:38:59,120
Speaker 1: on the front end and a t h on the

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00:38:59,120 --> 00:39:03,520
Speaker 1: back end. Man, I love that. Uh, I really do

627
00:39:03,600 --> 00:39:06,959
Speaker 1: like EBIs or what is it? Thought is the god?

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00:39:07,120 --> 00:39:10,360
Speaker 1: I've seen that in so many different places. Um anyway,

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Speaker 1: the fair thought would be a good, better idea at

630
00:39:12,920 --> 00:39:15,479
Speaker 1: least to stick with. Just let's call it one god.

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00:39:15,840 --> 00:39:17,880
Speaker 1: This will be easier. We can all, you know, know

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Speaker 1: that there's one singular force that we can worship. Let's say,

633
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Speaker 1: let's say the Sun, that giant orange thing that just

634
00:39:27,920 --> 00:39:29,879
Speaker 1: shoots light at us all the time and it makes

635
00:39:29,960 --> 00:39:32,280
Speaker 1: us warm and happy. That's a good thing to worship.

636
00:39:32,360 --> 00:39:35,000
Speaker 1: Let's do that, it seems legiti. It's important to note

637
00:39:35,040 --> 00:39:39,120
Speaker 1: that the sun disc also known as Aton, had already

638
00:39:39,360 --> 00:39:43,680
Speaker 1: held a place in ancient Egyptian religion and the state's

639
00:39:43,719 --> 00:39:47,960
Speaker 1: way back to the Old Kingdom, where it was worshiped

640
00:39:48,080 --> 00:39:51,600
Speaker 1: as an aspect of the composite god raw am on

641
00:39:51,680 --> 00:39:54,279
Speaker 1: the Horace. And this is not to get too into

642
00:39:54,320 --> 00:39:56,960
Speaker 1: the weeds about it, but raw represents the daytime son

643
00:39:57,080 --> 00:39:59,760
Speaker 1: am On, the son of the underworld horace of course,

644
00:39:59,800 --> 00:40:02,640
Speaker 1: the eising son. I love the idea of a composite god.

645
00:40:02,920 --> 00:40:05,960
Speaker 1: That is so cool to me. It's really common in

646
00:40:06,000 --> 00:40:07,960
Speaker 1: the ancient world. Yeah, yeah, but it's something we don't

647
00:40:07,960 --> 00:40:10,040
Speaker 1: really think about everything. Every god is kind of their

648
00:40:10,040 --> 00:40:13,000
Speaker 1: own thing. Although it is kind of similar to the Trinity,

649
00:40:13,040 --> 00:40:16,520
Speaker 1: like the Holy Trinity. Right, Monotheism, that's they didn't make

650
00:40:16,560 --> 00:40:19,840
Speaker 1: that up out of whole cloth, right, Monotheism being exactly

651
00:40:19,840 --> 00:40:22,279
Speaker 1: where we're heading. Right, So this is this is this

652
00:40:22,360 --> 00:40:25,840
Speaker 1: is backstory that we promise will deliver. So what what

653
00:40:25,920 --> 00:40:29,120
Speaker 1: happens next? Because you have to know this stuff about

654
00:40:29,400 --> 00:40:34,759
Speaker 1: polytheism and monotheism, right. Akanatan and Neffertidi attempted with all

655
00:40:34,800 --> 00:40:38,759
Speaker 1: their might to obliterate all traces of We're gonna go

656
00:40:38,840 --> 00:40:40,880
Speaker 1: Game of Throne style and call them the old gods

657
00:40:41,160 --> 00:40:48,080
Speaker 1: by defacing carvings temples, hieroglyphics that depicted them, and you know,

658
00:40:48,560 --> 00:40:50,520
Speaker 1: this didn't go over so well with you know, the

659
00:40:50,560 --> 00:40:53,239
Speaker 1: general public that had been worshiping these gods for so long,

660
00:40:53,920 --> 00:40:57,000
Speaker 1: that's right, And and neither did it last particularly long,

661
00:40:57,080 --> 00:41:00,400
Speaker 1: right then, that's right, it did not. It did not.

662
00:41:02,520 --> 00:41:08,560
Speaker 1: It wasn't as unsuccessful as uh New Coke when that

663
00:41:08,640 --> 00:41:12,440
Speaker 1: came out, but it was it was still pretty No,

664
00:41:12,560 --> 00:41:15,960
Speaker 1: it was actually way worse than New Coke because I

665
00:41:16,000 --> 00:41:20,160
Speaker 1: believe that acanat in rain for seventeen years um, and

666
00:41:20,239 --> 00:41:23,560
Speaker 1: this whole worshiping the sun god business came in about

667
00:41:23,640 --> 00:41:26,920
Speaker 1: three or four years into his reign, so that's kind

668
00:41:26,920 --> 00:41:30,759
Speaker 1: of a blip in ancient Egyptian history, right, And the

669
00:41:30,840 --> 00:41:35,960
Speaker 1: people who came after Aknatan did their best to erase

670
00:41:36,400 --> 00:41:42,440
Speaker 1: him and Nefertiti herself from official history. And this this

671
00:41:42,480 --> 00:41:46,960
Speaker 1: is important. So we don't talk about this as much

672
00:41:47,000 --> 00:41:49,400
Speaker 1: as we should in the modern day. But it is

673
00:41:49,440 --> 00:41:53,160
Speaker 1: true that the victors, right the history textbooks you read,

674
00:41:53,239 --> 00:41:55,680
Speaker 1: and they are the ones who tell the stories of

675
00:41:55,719 --> 00:42:00,480
Speaker 1: events in the past. And it is at least back then,

676
00:42:00,560 --> 00:42:03,440
Speaker 1: it was alarmingly easy to erase people from history, and

677
00:42:03,480 --> 00:42:09,080
Speaker 1: Stalin did it. Uh during his reign. These subsequent pharaohs

678
00:42:09,080 --> 00:42:11,239
Speaker 1: did it as well, and you can see why they

679
00:42:11,280 --> 00:42:13,600
Speaker 1: did it, whether or not you agree with them, it

680
00:42:13,760 --> 00:42:16,080
Speaker 1: is true that this could pose a clear and present

681
00:42:16,160 --> 00:42:21,040
Speaker 1: danger to their own legitimacy, you know. And uh Neffertidi

682
00:42:21,400 --> 00:42:24,040
Speaker 1: went right along with this whole deal, because she actually

683
00:42:24,080 --> 00:42:27,879
Speaker 1: disappeared from the historical record before her husband did um

684
00:42:27,920 --> 00:42:30,440
Speaker 1: about twelve years into his reign, So it's possible that

685
00:42:30,480 --> 00:42:32,640
Speaker 1: she might have died. There was a plague, as we know,

686
00:42:32,960 --> 00:42:35,839
Speaker 1: that swept through Egypt around this time UM, but there

687
00:42:35,840 --> 00:42:39,279
Speaker 1: are some Egyptologists who believed that she was actually elevated

688
00:42:39,320 --> 00:42:42,920
Speaker 1: to co regent and changed her name therefore kind of

689
00:42:42,960 --> 00:42:46,600
Speaker 1: slipped out of the historical record into a new role. Um.

690
00:42:46,760 --> 00:42:48,879
Speaker 1: And then the name Nefertidi disappeared, and she was named

691
00:42:48,880 --> 00:42:52,000
Speaker 1: something that sounded remarkably like Neffertidi. I can't remember exactly

692
00:42:52,040 --> 00:42:53,520
Speaker 1: what it was, but it was sort of a it

693
00:42:53,560 --> 00:42:57,200
Speaker 1: was almost like a permutation of the name nefertid Um.

694
00:42:57,239 --> 00:42:59,319
Speaker 1: And the thing is too, in a lot of the

695
00:42:59,400 --> 00:43:02,520
Speaker 1: historical record, or a lot of the depictions of she

696
00:43:02,760 --> 00:43:05,880
Speaker 1: and her husband, they were very much on the same level.

697
00:43:05,960 --> 00:43:08,719
Speaker 1: She already had a lot of power even before this

698
00:43:08,800 --> 00:43:12,800
Speaker 1: possible elevation to literal co region like vice president or

699
00:43:12,800 --> 00:43:16,759
Speaker 1: really I think a co region would be like co ruler. Right,

700
00:43:17,719 --> 00:43:22,640
Speaker 1: So that's one possibility, But there's more. Many archaeologists believe

701
00:43:22,760 --> 00:43:26,400
Speaker 1: that she could have been buried uh in one of

702
00:43:26,400 --> 00:43:29,640
Speaker 1: the tombs of what's now called Amarna, which was a

703
00:43:29,680 --> 00:43:37,439
Speaker 1: new capital city that Akanatan built during his reign. Whoa right, Yeah,

704
00:43:37,440 --> 00:43:41,799
Speaker 1: these tombs were plundered after as death, so it is

705
00:43:41,920 --> 00:43:46,200
Speaker 1: possible that never t t could have been reburied in

706
00:43:46,239 --> 00:43:50,359
Speaker 1: the Valley of Kings. The thing is, people will tell

707
00:43:50,360 --> 00:43:52,880
Speaker 1: you that, no matter how much animosity there was of

708
00:43:53,040 --> 00:43:58,160
Speaker 1: for her and her husband, no pharaoh would normally deny

709
00:43:58,320 --> 00:44:03,120
Speaker 1: a former ruler the burial accorded to their station, even

710
00:44:03,280 --> 00:44:06,879
Speaker 1: even somebody that everybody hated, Like I cannot And here's

711
00:44:06,880 --> 00:44:09,200
Speaker 1: something that we I don't think we've even mentioned this yet.

712
00:44:09,480 --> 00:44:12,560
Speaker 1: She had a very important step son. You may know him,

713
00:44:12,719 --> 00:44:16,200
Speaker 1: Tuting Common Tuting Common, Yes, the old king Tutt that

714
00:44:16,280 --> 00:44:19,280
Speaker 1: we have discussed and before on this show about the

715
00:44:19,520 --> 00:44:22,719
Speaker 1: curse that existed for his tomb. Oh yeah, and I

716
00:44:22,760 --> 00:44:25,920
Speaker 1: think in breeding was the curse of his lifetime. Have

717
00:44:26,000 --> 00:44:30,200
Speaker 1: you seen the forensic analysis. Also, I like to think

718
00:44:30,200 --> 00:44:33,000
Speaker 1: of him as the originator of the phrase tut tut.

719
00:44:33,440 --> 00:44:36,080
Speaker 1: There you go. I'm a big fan like I like

720
00:44:36,160 --> 00:44:38,600
Speaker 1: the single tut that you do. Ben said, that's so

721
00:44:38,840 --> 00:44:42,160
Speaker 1: that's very touch Yes, it is when something is very tough. Yeah,

722
00:44:42,200 --> 00:44:45,080
Speaker 1: when something's touch well. And the idea that she had

723
00:44:45,320 --> 00:44:50,080
Speaker 1: such a famous and powerful son in law that perhaps

724
00:44:50,080 --> 00:44:53,720
Speaker 1: her body was actually you know, put in his tomb somewhere.

725
00:44:53,840 --> 00:44:56,680
Speaker 1: That's right. Not to mention the fact that he took

726
00:44:56,760 --> 00:44:59,560
Speaker 1: over after his father in law died, and he is

727
00:44:59,600 --> 00:45:02,759
Speaker 1: also the one um that pretty much instantly started the

728
00:45:02,800 --> 00:45:05,319
Speaker 1: process of going back, taking Egypt back to the old

729
00:45:05,360 --> 00:45:09,880
Speaker 1: polytheistic ways and refurbishing all of those desecrated sites and

730
00:45:09,920 --> 00:45:12,920
Speaker 1: monuments and hieroglyphs and all of that business. But yes,

731
00:45:12,960 --> 00:45:16,640
Speaker 1: you're absolutely right, this theory that um Nefertiti's body was

732
00:45:16,680 --> 00:45:19,879
Speaker 1: possibly buried in her son in law's tomb. There's one

733
00:45:19,920 --> 00:45:22,120
Speaker 1: part of it that is super interesting, is this idea

734
00:45:22,239 --> 00:45:25,480
Speaker 1: that that tomb may have actually been meant for Nefertidi

735
00:45:25,520 --> 00:45:29,240
Speaker 1: in the first place. But that Tuton Common died unexpectedly

736
00:45:29,440 --> 00:45:32,440
Speaker 1: quite young, the boy king, right, because one piece of

737
00:45:32,440 --> 00:45:34,800
Speaker 1: evidence behind this, it's all. It seems a little conjecture,

738
00:45:35,040 --> 00:45:37,200
Speaker 1: but it's that it was a much smaller tomb than

739
00:45:37,320 --> 00:45:39,160
Speaker 1: some of the other ones, and that if it was

740
00:45:39,200 --> 00:45:42,279
Speaker 1: for a woman, they might have considered it diminutive less

741
00:45:42,280 --> 00:45:44,239
Speaker 1: then so they might have made it smaller. But you

742
00:45:44,239 --> 00:45:46,480
Speaker 1: could also argue that it was for a boy um,

743
00:45:46,560 --> 00:45:49,440
Speaker 1: and that you could say the same thing in that respect.

744
00:45:49,560 --> 00:45:52,080
Speaker 1: But here's the thing. This theory was put forth by

745
00:45:52,080 --> 00:45:54,960
Speaker 1: an Egyptologist named Nicholas Reeve, who's the director of the

746
00:45:54,960 --> 00:45:59,520
Speaker 1: Amarna Royal Tombs Project. Um. He commissioned some radar scans

747
00:45:59,719 --> 00:46:03,480
Speaker 1: of the site of Tuton Commons tomb um, and they

748
00:46:03,520 --> 00:46:07,680
Speaker 1: supposedly showed evidence of two secret chambers, complete with masonry

749
00:46:07,719 --> 00:46:12,200
Speaker 1: walls and quote metallic and organic substances. But there are

750
00:46:12,200 --> 00:46:16,040
Speaker 1: other experts who aren't so sure that this was definitive

751
00:46:16,200 --> 00:46:19,400
Speaker 1: of what he wanted it to be. Kind of yeah,

752
00:46:19,480 --> 00:46:21,600
Speaker 1: And then of course, as soon as the theory like

753
00:46:21,640 --> 00:46:23,799
Speaker 1: that comes along, you've got somebody else who comes along

754
00:46:23,840 --> 00:46:26,120
Speaker 1: and says, well, I'm gonna do some scans, and we're

755
00:46:26,160 --> 00:46:29,440
Speaker 1: gonna or we're at least gonna relook at the scans

756
00:46:29,520 --> 00:46:33,120
Speaker 1: that we're done. See what we have here and according

757
00:46:33,200 --> 00:46:36,239
Speaker 1: to you know, this other group of scientists in this case,

758
00:46:36,280 --> 00:46:40,440
Speaker 1: it's Lawrence Conyers who's at the University of Denver. He

759
00:46:40,440 --> 00:46:42,920
Speaker 1: he's an anthropology professor. By the way, he's looking at

760
00:46:42,920 --> 00:46:45,480
Speaker 1: these scans and he's saying it quote, it does not

761
00:46:45,600 --> 00:46:50,000
Speaker 1: appear that these GPR ground penetrating radar data have been

762
00:46:50,040 --> 00:46:52,799
Speaker 1: processed or that any of the so called anomalies are

763
00:46:52,920 --> 00:46:55,640
Speaker 1: visible in the raw data that are provided. This guy,

764
00:46:55,680 --> 00:46:58,560
Speaker 1: by the way, I saw this in every thing that cided.

765
00:46:58,600 --> 00:47:01,520
Speaker 1: This dude, he wrote the book on ground penetrating radar.

766
00:47:01,680 --> 00:47:05,720
Speaker 1: There you go. It's gonna make a joke about penetrating

767
00:47:05,760 --> 00:47:09,760
Speaker 1: the ground via the that old poet laureate of the West.

768
00:47:10,160 --> 00:47:12,399
Speaker 1: But we'll go back to um. Let's go back to

769
00:47:12,480 --> 00:47:15,520
Speaker 1: the quote he says. My suggestion to those who are

770
00:47:15,520 --> 00:47:17,920
Speaker 1: collecting it is that they released the raw data, the

771
00:47:18,000 --> 00:47:21,640
Speaker 1: raw data for some peer review by other GPR people

772
00:47:21,719 --> 00:47:24,360
Speaker 1: before they allow the antiquities people to hold a press

773
00:47:24,400 --> 00:47:26,680
Speaker 1: conference about all the riches that might be in these

774
00:47:26,719 --> 00:47:30,400
Speaker 1: supposed tombs. That peer review would cut down all the

775
00:47:30,440 --> 00:47:32,920
Speaker 1: speculation and critiques that have been going on around the

776
00:47:32,960 --> 00:47:35,719
Speaker 1: email for the last few days. As there might be,

777
00:47:36,440 --> 00:47:38,520
Speaker 1: as there might be as many scientists who could reach

778
00:47:38,520 --> 00:47:41,040
Speaker 1: a consensus in advance of the speculation in the press.

779
00:47:41,120 --> 00:47:43,280
Speaker 1: This was in two thousand and sixteen. By the way,

780
00:47:43,320 --> 00:47:46,200
Speaker 1: I was not able to find any um more recent

781
00:47:46,440 --> 00:47:49,880
Speaker 1: updates to this, But in two thousand sixteen, Egypt's Antiquities

782
00:47:49,880 --> 00:47:54,000
Speaker 1: Ministry refused to follow Knyer's advice or acknowledge another series

783
00:47:54,000 --> 00:47:56,800
Speaker 1: of scans that were carried out by National Geographic Or

784
00:47:56,840 --> 00:48:01,719
Speaker 1: with their assistants saying they would independently has the site. Instead,

785
00:48:02,280 --> 00:48:06,640
Speaker 1: UM Reeve and his co author were allowed to present

786
00:48:06,760 --> 00:48:12,160
Speaker 1: their findings unchallenged UM within the Egyptology community in Egypt.

787
00:48:12,480 --> 00:48:14,920
Speaker 1: So I don't know, Ben, we were talking about this

788
00:48:14,960 --> 00:48:18,480
Speaker 1: off air like it seems like the ministry here is

789
00:48:18,520 --> 00:48:23,040
Speaker 1: protecting there like what to tourism kind of booned this

790
00:48:23,120 --> 00:48:26,160
Speaker 1: could produce. I'm confused as to why they would be

791
00:48:26,239 --> 00:48:29,840
Speaker 1: so secretive or not allow other perspectives in this in

792
00:48:29,880 --> 00:48:32,319
Speaker 1: this discussion. Could it be grant money coming in from

793
00:48:32,480 --> 00:48:35,000
Speaker 1: NGOs or some other thing. It could be grant money,

794
00:48:35,080 --> 00:48:37,080
Speaker 1: It could be a U n s Go thing, It

795
00:48:37,120 --> 00:48:40,120
Speaker 1: could be it could be any number of things. We

796
00:48:40,200 --> 00:48:45,040
Speaker 1: do know that in some cases, UH state. Organizations like

797
00:48:45,160 --> 00:48:49,800
Speaker 1: this are incentivized or incentive, depending on which word you prefer,

798
00:48:50,320 --> 00:48:57,120
Speaker 1: to preserve a certain status quo. It happens, um It

799
00:48:57,200 --> 00:49:01,359
Speaker 1: happens as well in Central America and Mexico, where in

800
00:49:01,400 --> 00:49:06,080
Speaker 1: some cases some countries don't want lost sight to be

801
00:49:06,200 --> 00:49:10,280
Speaker 1: found because then they are responsible for restoring and maintaining it.

802
00:49:10,280 --> 00:49:13,600
Speaker 1: It also could, and this is somewhat depressing, it could

803
00:49:13,640 --> 00:49:15,719
Speaker 1: just be a matter of corruption. They may have just

804
00:49:15,800 --> 00:49:20,920
Speaker 1: not greased the right poems yet, but they did allow

805
00:49:21,040 --> 00:49:24,640
Speaker 1: him to like they just didn't respond, right, Yeah, No,

806
00:49:24,719 --> 00:49:26,600
Speaker 1: I mean they they definitely did. It wasn't even the

807
00:49:27,280 --> 00:49:29,600
Speaker 1: father of GPR or whatever. He's he was just kind

808
00:49:29,600 --> 00:49:31,279
Speaker 1: of weighing in on this, And I think he was

809
00:49:31,320 --> 00:49:35,840
Speaker 1: even quoted at another time saying he was considering going

810
00:49:35,920 --> 00:49:39,200
Speaker 1: and conducting some tests himself, but he's glad he didn't

811
00:49:39,239 --> 00:49:42,839
Speaker 1: because the whole thing seems like a real debacle, and

812
00:49:43,000 --> 00:49:45,360
Speaker 1: you know, didn't want to fly halfway around the world

813
00:49:45,400 --> 00:49:48,640
Speaker 1: to be part of this kind of total ship show.

814
00:49:49,520 --> 00:49:54,400
Speaker 1: Now I know that as of twenty eighteen, professors were

815
00:49:54,440 --> 00:49:58,719
Speaker 1: still fighting over a three D image that was constructed

816
00:49:58,840 --> 00:50:03,440
Speaker 1: of someone who was presented as Neffert d a thirty

817
00:50:03,520 --> 00:50:06,719
Speaker 1: four hundred year old mummy that was identified as the

818
00:50:06,800 --> 00:50:11,120
Speaker 1: younger lady, but that was discovered back in and then

819
00:50:11,200 --> 00:50:14,840
Speaker 1: TV producers got ahold of it. So yeah, so I

820
00:50:15,120 --> 00:50:17,759
Speaker 1: drama trusted well. Point being is this is still a

821
00:50:17,800 --> 00:50:22,080
Speaker 1: hotly contested issue, and um, I think the backstory of

822
00:50:22,120 --> 00:50:25,239
Speaker 1: this whole Neffert t d akanat In situation is really

823
00:50:25,280 --> 00:50:29,279
Speaker 1: interesting and kind of points to, uh, how history can

824
00:50:29,360 --> 00:50:34,839
Speaker 1: kind of obscure the truth, you know, based on ideological disagreements.

825
00:50:35,520 --> 00:50:39,800
Speaker 1: And although you didn't hear it through the magic of editing,

826
00:50:40,040 --> 00:50:44,040
Speaker 1: we just had a break off air ourselves. And we

827
00:50:44,120 --> 00:50:48,560
Speaker 1: hope that you are enjoying this episode. Because time got

828
00:50:48,560 --> 00:50:52,640
Speaker 1: a little bit ahead of us, we have more famous tombs,

829
00:50:52,680 --> 00:50:56,200
Speaker 1: but we are going to have to save those for

830
00:50:56,760 --> 00:51:00,120
Speaker 1: another day. The second part of what has become a

831
00:51:00,239 --> 00:51:03,640
Speaker 1: two part episode. We will rejoin you next time as

832
00:51:03,680 --> 00:51:07,560
Speaker 1: we stay in Egypt and travel further throughout the ancient

833
00:51:07,760 --> 00:51:12,440
Speaker 1: and not so ancient world. In the meantime, we have

834
00:51:12,520 --> 00:51:15,920
Speaker 1: to ask, while you're way on part two, what benefits

835
00:51:15,960 --> 00:51:19,200
Speaker 1: do you see these searches having for modern civilization? You

836
00:51:19,200 --> 00:51:22,160
Speaker 1: know some people, oddly enough, I don't know about you guys.

837
00:51:22,200 --> 00:51:24,640
Speaker 1: But this surprised me. Some people have argued, in a

838
00:51:24,719 --> 00:51:27,600
Speaker 1: very utilitarian way, we should just let the past die

839
00:51:27,719 --> 00:51:29,960
Speaker 1: and focus on the future. Why I spend hundreds of

840
00:51:29,960 --> 00:51:34,719
Speaker 1: thousands or millions of dollars finding these long gone, long

841
00:51:34,800 --> 00:51:37,840
Speaker 1: neglected tombs when there are people starving, you know what

842
00:51:37,880 --> 00:51:39,640
Speaker 1: I mean? In the real world. Should we spend that

843
00:51:39,719 --> 00:51:42,920
Speaker 1: money saving the people who are alive instead of finding

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