WEBVTT - It Could Happen Here Weekly 122 0:00:01.760 --> 0:00:05.600 A media Hey everybody, Robert Evans here and I wanted 0:00:05.600 --> 0:00:08.639 to let you know this is a compilation episode. So 0:00:08.680 --> 0:00:12.080 every episode of the week that just happened is here 0:00:12.200 --> 0:00:16.119 in one convenient and with somewhat less ads package for 0:00:16.200 --> 0:00:18.320 you to listen to in a long stretch if you want. 0:00:18.800 --> 0:00:20.840 If you've been listening to the episodes every day this week, 0:00:20.880 --> 0:00:22.639 there's going to be nothing new here for you, but 0:00:23.000 --> 0:00:24.360 you can make your own decisions. 0:00:26.800 --> 0:00:29.120 Welcome to it could happen here, the podcast that tells 0:00:29.160 --> 0:00:31.640 you what's going to happen before it's happening. I'm Garrison Davis. 0:00:31.720 --> 0:00:36.479 Joined with me is Mia Wong Glue. So today we're 0:00:36.479 --> 0:00:39.360 going to be talking about predictive programming, something that I 0:00:39.479 --> 0:00:42.520 assume some conspiracy theorist has accused of the show of doing, 0:00:42.720 --> 0:00:46.160 specifically Robert, but we're not going to talk about us 0:00:46.200 --> 0:00:49.400 too much. Instead, we're going to talk about the origin 0:00:49.520 --> 0:00:54.120 of this conspiracy theory and some famous use cases throughout 0:00:54.160 --> 0:01:00.480 history of how you might have been affected by predictive programming. Listener, 0:01:02.160 --> 0:01:05.440 So let's start by defining our terms here. Predictive programming 0:01:05.480 --> 0:01:08.360 is a conspiracy theory that future events are seeded within 0:01:08.480 --> 0:01:11.760 fictional media like film, TV, video games, and books to 0:01:11.920 --> 0:01:16.240 subliminally influence the public perception of real world events. But 0:01:16.440 --> 0:01:19.800 this isn't simply about movies like just predicting the future. 0:01:20.240 --> 0:01:24.199 It's an intentional method of large scale social conditioning used 0:01:24.200 --> 0:01:26.679 by a conspiracy of deep state government agents and the 0:01:26.840 --> 0:01:31.560 entertainment industry. This term was coined by a conspiracy theorist 0:01:31.680 --> 0:01:37.360 named Alan Watt. Different from the like pop Zen writer 0:01:37.520 --> 0:01:41.960 Alan Watts. Different guy, just a one letter difference. I'm 0:01:42.000 --> 0:01:45.800 sure they share some amount of audience crossover, but they 0:01:45.800 --> 0:01:48.680 are different people. He kind of coined this concept around 0:01:48.720 --> 0:01:51.559 the early two thousands. From what I can tell, he's 0:01:51.560 --> 0:01:56.520 a Scottish Canadian conspiracy theorist. Oddly enough, he's kind of 0:01:56.520 --> 0:02:00.160 one of the least problematic conspiracy theorists that I've run into. 0:02:00.240 --> 0:02:03.560 Like he's he's openly pushed back on on like anti 0:02:03.600 --> 0:02:07.280 semitism from David Ike and Alex Jones, Like he just 0:02:07.320 --> 0:02:09.799 seems to kind of be a silly guy. He died 0:02:09.800 --> 0:02:12.640 a few years ago. From what I can tell, at 0:02:12.720 --> 0:02:16.000 least on like a cursory search, He's like not the 0:02:16.040 --> 0:02:19.040 most problematic, I mean, obviously still a conspiracy theorist, but 0:02:19.120 --> 0:02:23.480 like kind of like the token good conspiracy theorist. I 0:02:23.520 --> 0:02:27.239 don't know, but he defined predictive programming as the power 0:02:27.280 --> 0:02:30.720 of suggestion using the media of fiction to create a 0:02:30.760 --> 0:02:35.320 desired outcome. A more expansive definition that he gave is quote, 0:02:35.480 --> 0:02:38.880 predictive programming is a subtle form of psychological conditioning provided 0:02:38.880 --> 0:02:41.960 by the media to acquaint the public with planned societal 0:02:42.080 --> 0:02:45.840 changes to implemented by the elites. If and when these 0:02:45.919 --> 0:02:48.399 changes are put through, the public will already be familiarized 0:02:48.440 --> 0:02:51.959 with them and will accept them as natural progressions, thus 0:02:52.080 --> 0:02:56.800 lessening any possible public resistance and commotion. Predictive programming, therefore, 0:02:56.840 --> 0:03:00.119 may be considered a veiled form of preemptive mass manipulation 0:03:00.320 --> 0:03:04.720 or mind control courtesy of our puppet masters. So that's 0:03:04.720 --> 0:03:08.160 Alan Watt, that is, that is his definition. Like I said, 0:03:08.200 --> 0:03:09.600 he kind of came up with this idea in the 0:03:09.639 --> 0:03:12.720 early two thousands and it spread like wildfire throughout his 0:03:13.120 --> 0:03:16.600 competitors and his contemporaries in the conspiratorial milieu. 0:03:17.000 --> 0:03:18.760 Yeah, it's really recent. I thought I thought it was 0:03:18.800 --> 0:03:21.400 older than that. Yeah, No, it is a new one. 0:03:21.480 --> 0:03:21.720 It is. 0:03:21.880 --> 0:03:24.560 It is a relatively new conspiracy theory, like it doesn't. 0:03:24.600 --> 0:03:26.880 It doesn't go all the way back to like, well, 0:03:27.280 --> 0:03:30.040 some of like the rough ideas were kind of used 0:03:30.040 --> 0:03:31.560 by stuff, you know, going all the way back to 0:03:31.639 --> 0:03:35.640 the John Birch Society, But the actual term predictive programming 0:03:36.000 --> 0:03:39.000 and the modern understanding of that term are much more recent. 0:03:39.680 --> 0:03:42.960 An Ohio State University article on the topic said, quote, 0:03:43.200 --> 0:03:45.800 predictive programming, at its core is a tactic to reduce 0:03:45.880 --> 0:03:50.120 resistance by introducing concepts that seem far fetched and continuously 0:03:50.360 --> 0:03:54.000 reintroducing them to make these concepts appear more likely or 0:03:54.000 --> 0:03:57.160 at the very least acceptable. So that's more of like 0:03:57.200 --> 0:04:03.200 an outside in definition from from researchers. So let's let's 0:04:03.200 --> 0:04:04.920 go back to Alan Watch a little bit, because he's 0:04:04.960 --> 0:04:09.080 kind of been largely forgotten in the conspiratorial milieu, replaced 0:04:09.080 --> 0:04:12.680 by a whole bunch of more like bombastic and and 0:04:12.920 --> 0:04:16.719 troubling figures like Jones and Ike and many many smaller, 0:04:17.040 --> 0:04:21.359 smaller conspiracy theorists. But I listened to what I believe 0:04:21.400 --> 0:04:24.320 to be the first kind of broadcast where where he 0:04:24.400 --> 0:04:28.719 coined this idea. As opposed to Alex Jones, Alan Watt 0:04:28.800 --> 0:04:32.040 is like a very like calm speaker, like he's he's 0:04:32.040 --> 0:04:34.600 actually kind of just like pleasant to listen to because 0:04:34.600 --> 0:04:39.920 he's just so like like calm, methodical. He's not like bombastic. 0:04:40.600 --> 0:04:44.120 He just sounds like a regular, like chill guy. His 0:04:44.120 --> 0:04:47.080 his website is amazing. It looks like a nineteen ninety 0:04:47.120 --> 0:04:50.560 five website that has never been updated. It is, it 0:04:50.720 --> 0:04:53.159 is fantastic. I love that the website has stayed up 0:04:53.200 --> 0:04:56.039 after his death because it is just a joy to 0:04:56.080 --> 0:04:59.520 look at. But Alan Watt describes predictive programming as a 0:04:59.600 --> 0:05:04.320 quote unk quote ancient science. He thought that quote families 0:05:04.360 --> 0:05:07.800 of actors go back thousands of years. They're a specialized 0:05:07.839 --> 0:05:12.280 section of society that inter marries within their own ranks unquote. 0:05:12.480 --> 0:05:15.200 So like he thinks all actors come from like this 0:05:15.320 --> 0:05:19.800 one large like intergenerational family that have been that have 0:05:19.839 --> 0:05:22.479 been like in the profession of acting, which like is 0:05:22.560 --> 0:05:25.400 kind of true for like the Coppolas, but like, eh, 0:05:25.440 --> 0:05:27.719 you know, it's like, yes, there is a massive like 0:05:27.720 --> 0:05:31.880 inepotism problem, but like no, yeah, actors aren't like a 0:05:31.920 --> 0:05:35.279 single family that goes back like millennia. But that is 0:05:35.480 --> 0:05:38.839 that that is one of his beliefs he calls he 0:05:38.920 --> 0:05:43.400 calls producers magicians quote. They know what messages must be 0:05:43.440 --> 0:05:47.200 imprinted into the minds of the audience. They know the techniques, 0:05:47.560 --> 0:05:53.040 a perfect science unquote. He also talks about how Shakespeare 0:05:53.160 --> 0:05:57.040 was involved in predictive programming. Quote Shakespeare was the magician 0:05:57.160 --> 0:06:03.080 that brought the English language into being quote. So that 0:06:03.320 --> 0:06:07.159 like Shakespeare is like the person who developed like the 0:06:07.200 --> 0:06:10.280 modern the modern English language. Like obviously English like pre 0:06:10.360 --> 0:06:13.200 dates Shakespeare, but like he thinks that through Shakespeare's writing 0:06:13.200 --> 0:06:15.800 he was able to like popularize the modern form of English, 0:06:16.040 --> 0:06:18.839 which just isn't true, but it's a it's a it's 0:06:18.839 --> 0:06:21.600 a funny thing to believe. And he thinks all these 0:06:21.600 --> 0:06:24.279 people are like literal magicians, like like wizards, like you know, 0:06:24.360 --> 0:06:27.400 like like wands, pointy hats, Like they're all like doing 0:06:27.440 --> 0:06:28.360 actual like magic. 0:06:28.760 --> 0:06:31.560 This seems like such a roundabout way of doing this, 0:06:31.960 --> 0:06:35.640 Like you can just absolutely magic. So so true, so 0:06:35.839 --> 0:06:36.600 true via. 0:06:38.920 --> 0:06:42.120 So Alan Watt talks about that in the late sixties 0:06:42.160 --> 0:06:46.120 there was a big, weeks long international meeting to decide 0:06:46.160 --> 0:06:49.080 that Hollywood would be the place to create the culture 0:06:49.160 --> 0:06:55.400 of the future. He then discusses how like Hollywood controls 0:06:55.440 --> 0:06:58.600 people through like war movies, and how like the DoD 0:06:58.880 --> 0:07:01.600 helps Hollywood with equipment for war movies, but they have 0:07:01.640 --> 0:07:04.120 to approve the messaging, which like that has like a 0:07:04.160 --> 0:07:06.640 little grain of truth in there. Like yes, to use 0:07:06.880 --> 0:07:09.720 military equipment, you do need to get like approval from 0:07:10.040 --> 0:07:12.760 people in the government. And yeah, there is a form 0:07:12.760 --> 0:07:16.080 of Hollywood that is like just war propaganda. Like that, 0:07:15.680 --> 0:07:19.000 there's a kernel of truth here, but not exactly in 0:07:19.040 --> 0:07:21.440 the way Alan Watt talks about it. Do you know 0:07:21.440 --> 0:07:25.160 what else has a kernel of truth all of these ads? 0:07:25.200 --> 0:07:28.360 There's one single kernel in all of these ads that 0:07:28.520 --> 0:07:33.280 is revealing a divine truth of existence. So watch out 0:07:33.520 --> 0:07:47.840 and listen for this one kernel of truth. Okay, we 0:07:48.000 --> 0:07:51.920 are back to talk about Alan Watt and his predictive 0:07:52.080 --> 0:07:57.640 programming idea which has spread through the conspiratorial milieu like wildfire. 0:07:58.640 --> 0:08:01.880 So probably the funniest thing he gets to on this 0:08:01.960 --> 0:08:07.120 whole Hollywood as magician's rant is quote, if you look 0:08:07.120 --> 0:08:11.240 at the word Hollywood, it means holy wood, which of 0:08:11.320 --> 0:08:15.160 course is the staff of the Magi, the grand magas 0:08:15.200 --> 0:08:19.440 of the occult. He waives a wand and everything is changed. 0:08:19.760 --> 0:08:25.960 He casts a spell. So from so he thinks that 0:08:26.040 --> 0:08:28.760 Hollywood literally refers to like a magic wand like a 0:08:28.800 --> 0:08:34.800 holy a holy wood. He then he then also talks 0:08:34.800 --> 0:08:38.000 about Hollywood as like as like a grove, like like Hollywood, 0:08:38.000 --> 0:08:41.280 like the place is is is a grove quote similar 0:08:41.440 --> 0:08:45.840 to Jewish holy groves and folklore Moses's staff was placed 0:08:45.840 --> 0:08:48.200 in a grove and that was a special place for 0:08:48.360 --> 0:08:52.120 higher magi to meet unquote. And I don't think he 0:08:52.240 --> 0:08:55.600 means this anti semitically. It just kind of sounds anti Semitic, 0:08:58.679 --> 0:09:02.240 but he talks about and anyway, you can't even blame 0:09:02.280 --> 0:09:07.240 the us of this on those guys Canadian Scottish Canadian. Yeah, yeah, 0:09:07.720 --> 0:09:12.520 literally me, literally me. I'll read one more Alan Watt 0:09:12.559 --> 0:09:16.720 quote here, which is just a banger. Hollywood is the 0:09:16.800 --> 0:09:21.840 magician's wand holy Holly, which has been used to cast 0:09:21.880 --> 0:09:25.320 a spell on the unsuspecting public. Things or ideas that 0:09:25.360 --> 0:09:29.400 would otherwise be seen as bizarre, vulgar, undesirable, or impossible 0:09:29.640 --> 0:09:33.160 are inserted into films in the realm of fantasy. When 0:09:33.160 --> 0:09:35.800 the viewer watches these films, his or her mind is 0:09:35.920 --> 0:09:40.080 left open to suggestion and the conditioning process begins. These 0:09:40.080 --> 0:09:42.720 same movies, which are designed to program the average person, 0:09:43.040 --> 0:09:45.880 can give the discerning viewer a better understanding of the 0:09:45.920 --> 0:09:50.200 workings and the plan of the world agenda unquote. So 0:09:50.920 --> 0:09:53.600 unlike a lot of modern conspiracy theorists who like refuse 0:09:53.720 --> 0:09:57.400 to watch movies because of predicting programming, Alan Watt thinks 0:09:57.440 --> 0:09:59.679 it's actually useful to watch movies because you can get 0:09:59.679 --> 0:10:02.400 like a future like glimpse of what is going to 0:10:02.480 --> 0:10:05.480 happen in the world, which is like a neat little 0:10:05.520 --> 0:10:07.880 difference compared to some of his modern contemporaries. 0:10:07.960 --> 0:10:08.360 Yeah, you can. 0:10:08.480 --> 0:10:12.680 You can watch Batman realize and occupy wall streets happening, yes, 0:10:13.360 --> 0:10:14.040 one year ago. 0:10:14.120 --> 0:10:14.840 Yeah, totally. 0:10:15.559 --> 0:10:19.480 It's predictive programming in the past, in the past, Yeah, yeah, preemptive. 0:10:20.120 --> 0:10:24.959 So let's talk about some examples of predictive programming. Now, 0:10:25.000 --> 0:10:28.280 one thing that people often point to when discussing this 0:10:28.520 --> 0:10:30.640 is the television show The Simpsons. 0:10:31.400 --> 0:10:31.679 Now. 0:10:32.320 --> 0:10:34.079 A writer and producer of The Simpsons from back in 0:10:34.120 --> 0:10:36.559 the nineties, Bill Oakley gave a statement to Reuters a 0:10:36.559 --> 0:10:39.880 few years ago about the concept of The Simpsons being able. 0:10:39.679 --> 0:10:43.280 To predict real world events. Quote. I would say, in general, 0:10:43.320 --> 0:10:44.040 when people. 0:10:43.760 --> 0:10:46.520 Say the Simpsons has predicted something, it's that we were 0:10:46.679 --> 0:10:50.160 really just satirizing real life events. From years before, and 0:10:50.240 --> 0:10:53.360 because history keeps repeating itself, it just seems like we're 0:10:53.360 --> 0:10:55.880 predicting things unquote, which I think is actually a really 0:10:55.880 --> 0:11:00.359 great observation. The show actually hasn't made very many predictions. 0:11:00.600 --> 0:11:03.280 It is often just satirizing actual events from around the 0:11:03.320 --> 0:11:06.160 time of the show's production, and lots of those events 0:11:06.200 --> 0:11:09.079 we've just now forgotten in the present, and similar events 0:11:09.240 --> 0:11:12.360 keep happening in the present, like viruses or Donald Trump 0:11:12.400 --> 0:11:14.559 running for president just like he did in the two thousands, 0:11:14.920 --> 0:11:18.400 So it's easy to kind of see these things as 0:11:18.440 --> 0:11:20.880 predictions when in fact we've just forgotten the events that 0:11:20.920 --> 0:11:24.120 they were originally satirizing. Now, many of the kind of 0:11:24.320 --> 0:11:27.400 viral quote unquote predictions you see online associated with The 0:11:27.440 --> 0:11:31.480 Simpsons actually just have a vastly different context within the show, 0:11:31.960 --> 0:11:36.240 and in many cases are actually just altered images fan art, 0:11:36.320 --> 0:11:41.679 photoshops or memes with mislabeled timestamps, or genuine images satirizing 0:11:41.840 --> 0:11:45.720 current events, making it appear as if the Simpsons version 0:11:45.800 --> 0:11:49.719 happened beforehand, when really it was like something satirizing an 0:11:49.760 --> 0:11:51.760 event a month ago, made to look like it was 0:11:51.800 --> 0:11:53.959 actually produced in like two thousand and seven or something, Right, 0:11:54.040 --> 0:11:57.319 so it's just a whole bunch of manipulated media. One 0:11:57.360 --> 0:12:01.000 instance of something that appears to bessive prediction but is 0:12:01.040 --> 0:12:02.800 actually just showing how the creators of the show pay 0:12:02.840 --> 0:12:06.320 attention to politics is the purple suit that President Lisa wears, 0:12:06.600 --> 0:12:09.920 bearing similarity to Kamala Harris's get up on an inauguration day, 0:12:10.520 --> 0:12:14.480 but purple was also worn by Michelle Obama and Hillary 0:12:14.480 --> 0:12:17.040 Clinton during previous inauguration days. It's the color of the 0:12:17.040 --> 0:12:20.120 saffagette movement, and it tends to symbolize unity between red 0:12:20.120 --> 0:12:23.120 and blue states. It's it's a very common thing that 0:12:23.600 --> 0:12:26.480 women wear at inauguration day, so like it's just a 0:12:26.520 --> 0:12:30.920 good guess. So there's a lot of stuff like that. Now, 0:12:31.000 --> 0:12:34.120 probably the most famous example of the Simpsons predictive power 0:12:34.559 --> 0:12:36.679 is probably the nine to eleven poster from the New 0:12:36.760 --> 0:12:40.440 York episode. Now, there is a wealth of eerie nine 0:12:40.440 --> 0:12:43.760 to eleven imagery from years before the attack, either associated 0:12:43.760 --> 0:12:46.240 with the date itself, destruction of the Twin Towers, or, 0:12:46.320 --> 0:12:49.320 in the case of the Simpsons, both Now, as for 0:12:49.360 --> 0:12:52.000 the others, nine to one one is just a common 0:12:52.080 --> 0:12:53.680 number in the US. So you see a pop up 0:12:53.679 --> 0:12:56.040 in a lot of Stuff, and the Twin Towers, as 0:12:56.080 --> 0:12:58.080 well as the Statue of Liberty, the Empire State, and 0:12:58.160 --> 0:13:01.800 the Chrysler Building are all often used in like host 0:13:01.800 --> 0:13:06.079 apocalyptic or like societal collapse destructive artwork. Of course, there 0:13:06.120 --> 0:13:08.160 was the bombing at the World Trade Center like a 0:13:08.200 --> 0:13:12.760 decade prior, and it's really easy now just to focus 0:13:12.800 --> 0:13:15.360 on instances of art depicting the Twin Towers. 0:13:15.440 --> 0:13:15.600 Right. 0:13:15.720 --> 0:13:18.040 We have Michael Keaton's The Squeeze from nineteen eighty seven, 0:13:18.120 --> 0:13:21.040 Cookie Monster eating the Twin Towers in nineteen seventy six, 0:13:21.440 --> 0:13:24.120 the Towers disintegrating in the nineteen ninety three Mario movie, 0:13:24.400 --> 0:13:28.400 The Infamous Illuminati card game, the Coup's Party music album cover, 0:13:28.720 --> 0:13:32.840 and my personal favorite instance the pilot episode of the 0:13:33.040 --> 0:13:36.079 X Files A spin off show, The Lone Gunmen, in 0:13:36.160 --> 0:13:39.920 which members of the US government Deep State remotely hijack 0:13:39.960 --> 0:13:42.920 a commercial airliner to crash it into the World Trade 0:13:42.960 --> 0:13:45.600 Center to blame it on terrorists and start a new 0:13:45.640 --> 0:13:49.000 war in the Middle East. This episode aired six months 0:13:49.040 --> 0:13:50.000 before nine to eleven. 0:13:50.240 --> 0:13:52.840 It is the funniest thing. It's wild. 0:13:53.280 --> 0:13:55.920 It's like specifically being like an X Files a spinoff, 0:13:56.000 --> 0:14:02.040 It's it's just gold hilarious stuff and obviously for another 0:14:02.080 --> 0:14:05.040 predictive programming type thing. In the wake of COVID nineteen, 0:14:05.280 --> 0:14:07.920 many have pointed out that movies like Contagion or even 0:14:08.040 --> 0:14:11.680 zombie media are instances of predictive programming to get the 0:14:11.679 --> 0:14:14.960 public to accept a massive global pandemic, when in most 0:14:14.960 --> 0:14:17.840 cases it's actually just like scientists being like, hey, a 0:14:17.840 --> 0:14:20.760 pandemic could probably be a big problem, and then screenwriters 0:14:20.800 --> 0:14:23.160 being like, oh, let's write a movie about a pandemic, right, 0:14:23.360 --> 0:14:26.640 very very easy. Do you know what else contains very 0:14:26.720 --> 0:14:32.280 important subliminal messaging? Maya cars two, Well, the products and 0:14:32.320 --> 0:14:34.840 services that support this podcast. Listen to these to get 0:14:34.840 --> 0:14:48.880 a glimpse into the future. All right, we are back 0:14:48.920 --> 0:14:51.600 and we are joined by Robert Evans to give his 0:14:51.720 --> 0:14:54.040 thoughts on the predictive power of the Simpsons. 0:14:54.200 --> 0:14:57.680 Hello Robert, Hey, you know Garrison. Once upon a time, 0:14:57.760 --> 0:15:00.720 I watched a Simpsons episode where homewer Is sides not 0:15:00.800 --> 0:15:04.160 to go to church instead to stay asleep on Sunday 0:15:04.720 --> 0:15:08.160 all day, and that really kind of predicted me sleeping 0:15:08.200 --> 0:15:10.920 in this morning after getting in on a late night 0:15:11.000 --> 0:15:13.640 flight last night and missing the start of this recording. 0:15:14.120 --> 0:15:17.400 So the power of predictive programming simply cannot be denied. 0:15:17.680 --> 0:15:20.440 Because there's a scene in that where Homer closes his 0:15:20.520 --> 0:15:23.680 eyes and curls his toes and pulls his covers up 0:15:23.720 --> 0:15:28.280 over himself when he's avoiding church. That really predicted me 0:15:28.520 --> 0:15:30.400 at about eleven am this morning. 0:15:31.760 --> 0:15:34.440 Well that's great. Do you know who else is good 0:15:34.480 --> 0:15:36.880 at predictive programming? Batman? 0:15:37.080 --> 0:15:41.120 Okay, so we've already talked a little bit about some 0:15:41.200 --> 0:15:44.480 of the predictive programming conspiracies based on The Dark Knight 0:15:44.560 --> 0:15:47.800 Rises in the first segment of our Occupy Gotham City episode. 0:15:47.920 --> 0:15:51.280 You know how the Aurora, Colorado shooter was a modern 0:15:51.480 --> 0:15:54.800 MK Ultra victim program to distract from the software leaks 0:15:54.800 --> 0:15:57.520 that'll expose the corrupt elites because his father worked on 0:15:57.560 --> 0:16:00.560 predictive algorithms for the financial sector, just like the plot 0:16:00.600 --> 0:16:03.600 of The Dark Knight Rises. It's not the plot of 0:16:03.640 --> 0:16:07.320 The Darkness, not at all. But let's not forget that 0:16:07.360 --> 0:16:10.280 the movie also conditioned us to accept a major attack 0:16:10.520 --> 0:16:13.200 on a big sporting event, something which has also not 0:16:13.280 --> 0:16:17.320 really happened. So I'll actually be seeing Clyde Lewis again 0:16:17.360 --> 0:16:19.000 next week, so I will I will try to get 0:16:19.000 --> 0:16:24.120 his thoughts on his Dark Knight Rises failed predictions. We'll see, 0:16:24.200 --> 0:16:25.720 we'll see how We'll see how that goes for me. 0:16:26.240 --> 0:16:29.400 But those are not the only conspiracy theories around this movie. 0:16:29.880 --> 0:16:31.760 For the next one, we will turn to the King 0:16:31.880 --> 0:16:33.400 of the Lizard People, David Ike. 0:16:34.200 --> 0:16:36.160 Ah, there we go. 0:16:36.480 --> 0:16:39.720 He claims that when the GCPD are trying to track 0:16:39.760 --> 0:16:42.960 down the location of Bain's nuclear reactor, there's a shot 0:16:42.960 --> 0:16:46.960 of a map on which there's a location marked as 0:16:47.240 --> 0:16:51.360 Sandy Hook. And you'll never guess what happened after The 0:16:51.440 --> 0:16:52.600 Dark Knight came out. 0:16:52.640 --> 0:16:56.000 God, yeah, yeah. 0:16:55.800 --> 0:16:56.880 So then. 0:16:58.520 --> 0:17:03.320 So yeah, Now I've looked into this a decent bit, 0:17:03.360 --> 0:17:05.159 because yes, there is there is a location on the 0:17:05.200 --> 0:17:08.080 map of Gotham City marked Sandy Hook. Now this is 0:17:08.240 --> 0:17:12.840 probably named after Sandy Hook, New Jersey, just south of 0:17:12.880 --> 0:17:16.000 New York City, as on the Batman map, it is 0:17:17.280 --> 0:17:20.359 an island that is just south of Gotham City. In 0:17:20.400 --> 0:17:24.120 the comics, it's called Tri Corner Island. For the specific 0:17:24.160 --> 0:17:26.560 map of Gotham they used is from like the nineteen nineties, 0:17:26.800 --> 0:17:29.360 and it's called Tri Corner Island. I think they renamed 0:17:29.400 --> 0:17:33.080 it to Sandy Hook in the Dark Knight rises, So 0:17:33.600 --> 0:17:35.960 a similar map in the movie was used for marketing 0:17:36.040 --> 0:17:38.840 materials that labeled Sandy Hook as a neighborhood in Gotham, 0:17:39.320 --> 0:17:42.879 and this map also contained a neighborhood called the Narrows, 0:17:43.080 --> 0:17:47.080 a common Gotham borough in Batman lore. The Sandy Hook 0:17:47.119 --> 0:17:51.280 shooting this led schools in Narrows, Virginia to delay their 0:17:51.280 --> 0:17:55.640 reternive students for winter break to install additional security precautions. 0:17:56.080 --> 0:17:58.760 And this was all based on a conspiracy article titled 0:17:59.200 --> 0:18:02.680 is Narrows the site of the next school massacred? 0:18:03.240 --> 0:18:03.359 Just? 0:18:03.400 --> 0:18:04.200 Of course it wasn't. 0:18:04.440 --> 0:18:08.439 But clear, folks, there are Sandy Hooks towns named Sandy 0:18:08.440 --> 0:18:14.560 Hooks in Connecticut, Indiana, Kentucky, Maryland, Mississippi, and Missouri, Virginia, Wisconsin. 0:18:15.040 --> 0:18:17.440 Like it's it's there's a lot of them. We've made 0:18:17.480 --> 0:18:18.720 a lot of them. There's a lot of places that 0:18:18.760 --> 0:18:20.119 are sandy and look like a hook. 0:18:21.200 --> 0:18:22.959 And then the secondary problem with this is that we 0:18:23.000 --> 0:18:25.000 have school shootings in so many places that if you 0:18:25.080 --> 0:18:26.919 just have a map in any movie, there's like a 0:18:26.960 --> 0:18:28.960 one in twelve chance that there's going to be a 0:18:28.960 --> 0:18:32.760 shooting there. Now, so great, great society we've built. 0:18:33.000 --> 0:18:35.160 I do kind of wonder, is this something that we've 0:18:35.240 --> 0:18:38.800 like inoculated ourselves against by having so many school shootings, 0:18:38.880 --> 0:18:41.520 like because you could never Sandy Hook got so much 0:18:41.520 --> 0:18:44.480 attention because like we didn't have as many shootings back then, 0:18:44.560 --> 0:18:47.400 and it was so terrible, and like maybe now we 0:18:47.440 --> 0:18:51.119 move on to because it's like you're talking about elements 0:18:51.119 --> 0:18:54.760 of this, but like people obsessed are still obsessed over 0:18:54.800 --> 0:18:57.040 the Sandy Hook shooting today in a way that like 0:18:57.600 --> 0:19:00.920 I don't think most mass shooting victims have to deal with, 0:19:01.080 --> 0:19:04.879 like it becoming the center of this national mania campaign. 0:19:05.200 --> 0:19:11.040 Yeah, And many pointed out that this this Batman conspiracy 0:19:11.080 --> 0:19:14.359 theory is kind of incongruent with other Sandy Hook conspiracy theories, 0:19:15.080 --> 0:19:17.159 being like it's supposed to be a big shocking incident 0:19:17.200 --> 0:19:19.880 to get people to start to start like wanting gun 0:19:19.920 --> 0:19:22.920 control versus why would they try to warn us about it, 0:19:23.200 --> 0:19:26.159 about it happening if it was, if the point of 0:19:26.200 --> 0:19:28.680 it is to be shocking, like it doesn't quite make 0:19:28.720 --> 0:19:32.920 sense as most conspiracy theories do. But David Ike said, 0:19:32.960 --> 0:19:36.800 quote the dark Knight rises is classic Saturn symbolism, and 0:19:36.920 --> 0:19:43.679 Satanists worship Saturn, So there you go. Now, Curiously, do 0:19:43.720 --> 0:19:47.679 you know who else lives in Sandy Hook? Suzanne Collins, 0:19:47.760 --> 0:19:51.120 the author of The Hunger Games, which leads us to 0:19:51.160 --> 0:19:55.919 our next topic, the Hunger Games. I found this amazing 0:19:56.000 --> 0:20:00.480 blog called Through Ancient Eyes by this British guy named Neil, 0:20:00.560 --> 0:20:03.080 who's obsessed with the occult and is like a David 0:20:03.160 --> 0:20:03.880 Ike fanboy. 0:20:04.600 --> 0:20:07.119 This this blog is glorious. 0:20:08.880 --> 0:20:13.480 So I will I'll start by bye by reading the 0:20:13.680 --> 0:20:17.320 opening opening paragraph from this blog quote. Don't think for 0:20:17.359 --> 0:20:19.679 a minute that the script for the Hunger Games books 0:20:19.760 --> 0:20:23.840 is purely fiction. Here we have predictive programming at its finest. 0:20:24.080 --> 0:20:26.400 What I saw was the second part of a three 0:20:26.480 --> 0:20:30.280 part narrative that clearly plans ideas of acceptance, sacrifice, and 0:20:30.400 --> 0:20:34.600 revolution in the minds of youth. The books are awash 0:20:34.640 --> 0:20:38.160 with symbols and archetypes that seem to be classic programming devices, 0:20:38.200 --> 0:20:41.080 and more alarmingly, the books seem to project a very 0:20:41.160 --> 0:20:43.959 viable future for not only America but for the world. 0:20:44.680 --> 0:20:49.120 I mean, look, he's not entirely wrong. Because of all 0:20:49.160 --> 0:20:53.199 of the pieces of revolutionary literature and nonfiction of that 0:20:53.280 --> 0:20:55.520 have come out during our lifetimes, the Hunger Games has 0:20:55.520 --> 0:21:05.240 inspired a lot more revolutions. 0:21:02.200 --> 0:21:03.359 That's why this one is so fun. 0:21:03.359 --> 0:21:06.520 It's because, no, like twenty twenty was like a not 0:21:06.600 --> 0:21:09.240 insignificant part of twenty twenty was due to a whole 0:21:09.280 --> 0:21:11.439 bunch of kids growing up with The Hunger Games. 0:21:11.760 --> 0:21:14.600 No, no, I know people who are still fighting in 0:21:14.640 --> 0:21:16.680 the jungle. So in part because of. 0:21:16.640 --> 0:21:20.439 That book, Yes, exactly, So we will get into that 0:21:20.440 --> 0:21:20.800 in a bit. 0:21:21.760 --> 0:21:21.960 Now. 0:21:22.840 --> 0:21:26.560 Neil believes that the country of PanAm is quote clearly 0:21:26.600 --> 0:21:30.400 a reference to both Arcadia and the Greek god Pan unquote. 0:21:31.119 --> 0:21:33.560 It's an author who was up late at night looking 0:21:33.600 --> 0:21:36.320 for country names and remember it in an old airline, 0:21:36.720 --> 0:21:38.320 like that's what was going on. 0:21:38.560 --> 0:21:41.639 The region of Arcadia was home to pan and characterized 0:21:41.680 --> 0:21:44.280 by a vast wilderness with its lavish parties for the 0:21:44.320 --> 0:21:46.000 god of the wild and his nymphs. 0:21:46.280 --> 0:21:46.720 Quote. 0:21:46.840 --> 0:21:50.080 The Hunger Game's capital is an urban forest of the gods. 0:21:50.359 --> 0:21:53.800 In its classic symbolic reversal of the true meaning, it 0:21:53.840 --> 0:21:56.399 becomes a city dedicated to all that would be the 0:21:56.440 --> 0:22:01.159 opposite of true freedom unquote. Now Neil loves symbolic reversal. 0:22:01.600 --> 0:22:05.040 How you will see something depicted that is like, you know, 0:22:05.200 --> 0:22:11.320 like being against tutalitarian governments. This is actually symbolic reversal 0:22:11.520 --> 0:22:16.119 where it's actually pro authoritarian governments, because this is this 0:22:16.160 --> 0:22:18.800 is how he talks about the entire the entirety of 0:22:18.800 --> 0:22:21.320 of the movie and how it's actually trying to like 0:22:21.640 --> 0:22:25.960 seed acceptance for a one world order, a military police estate. 0:22:26.560 --> 0:22:30.520 Similar to David Ike, Neil also notes the Saturnian symbolism, 0:22:30.880 --> 0:22:34.479 with the goat imagery of the astral signed Capricorn linking 0:22:34.520 --> 0:22:37.560 to pan as well as the composite representation of the 0:22:37.600 --> 0:22:40.680 devil image Baphomet. Now I am I am not a 0:22:41.080 --> 0:22:45.119 planetary magic guy in general, but Saturn is often like 0:22:45.200 --> 0:22:49.440 linked to like the harvest, to destruction, chaos, it's, it's, 0:22:49.560 --> 0:22:53.679 it's a whole thing. But Neil says, quote both Capricorn 0:22:53.680 --> 0:22:57.520 and Aquarius are ruled by Saturn and it's hidden vibrationality 0:22:57.560 --> 0:23:02.200 effect on the powers that be banking, law, education. Therefore, 0:23:02.280 --> 0:23:05.959 PanAm is the ultimate Saturn city of the future. PanAm 0:23:06.040 --> 0:23:09.159 is very much the typical totalitarian future Nazia Lake City. 0:23:09.920 --> 0:23:12.760 It is also where that links to pandemonium in the 0:23:12.800 --> 0:23:16.199 form of a pandemic is the hunger games, preparing the 0:23:16.240 --> 0:23:18.880 youth of today for some kind of tyrannical future born 0:23:18.880 --> 0:23:20.600 out of the events of the next decade that will 0:23:20.680 --> 0:23:26.720 lead to global pandemonium, which is unfortunately a pretty good 0:23:26.760 --> 0:23:33.800 prediction coming from like, coming from like the early twenty tens. Yeah, 0:23:33.840 --> 0:23:36.320 they kind of were talking about a pandemic that leads 0:23:36.320 --> 0:23:42.240 to global unrest, repelling against a tyrannical future. So pretty 0:23:42.240 --> 0:23:43.520 good analysis by Neil there. 0:23:43.920 --> 0:23:44.080 Now. 0:23:44.200 --> 0:23:47.440 Neil also notes, you know, curious linkages between the segregated 0:23:47.440 --> 0:23:50.280 twelve districts of PanAm, just as our perception of time 0:23:50.359 --> 0:23:52.359 is governed by twelve hours and months. 0:23:53.080 --> 0:23:54.320 Oh my god. 0:23:56.600 --> 0:23:59.480 He breaks down PanAm even further, claiming that the letter 0:23:59.520 --> 0:24:02.800 E and the letter M or like numerology references the 0:24:02.840 --> 0:24:07.440 E linking to the Intel and Saturn like explorer logos, 0:24:08.240 --> 0:24:12.080 and Neil says, quote, according to some researchers, which is 0:24:12.160 --> 0:24:15.000 a great way to start a sentence. According to some researchers, 0:24:15.040 --> 0:24:18.040 the letter E is a very important letter number because 0:24:18.040 --> 0:24:22.160 it represents the fifth essence or element, the power of transcendence. 0:24:23.000 --> 0:24:25.440 No, we did, as the Jermatria starnage. 0:24:25.640 --> 0:24:30.919 Oh yeah, absolutely absolutely. He goes all out on the 0:24:31.000 --> 0:24:34.119 letter M. The letter m's a very important letter in 0:24:34.200 --> 0:24:38.480 the mystery schools of antiquity, uh huh, being the numerology 0:24:38.520 --> 0:24:41.359 equivalent of thirteen. This of course relates to the thirteen 0:24:41.400 --> 0:24:43.920 original districts or the twelve secretors around the one capital. 0:24:44.200 --> 0:24:47.719 Oh yeah sure, there are of course twelve jurors and 0:24:47.800 --> 0:24:51.600 one judge. The m or the thirteenth letter is the 0:24:51.640 --> 0:24:55.359 master with twelve disciples, and esoterically speaking, thirteen is the 0:24:55.400 --> 0:24:58.439 experiencer of the twelve signs of the zodiac. There are 0:24:58.480 --> 0:25:01.760 twelve months in the Gregorian sun calendar and thirteen months 0:25:01.760 --> 0:25:04.840 in the lunar calendar. There were thirteen districts, but now 0:25:05.000 --> 0:25:09.160 only twelve remain. There's there were thirteen colonies. The US 0:25:09.160 --> 0:25:11.080 is Satanism, So true, so true. 0:25:11.119 --> 0:25:11.600 Mia. 0:25:11.720 --> 0:25:14.360 There's a lot of talk about how like kids can't 0:25:14.400 --> 0:25:17.320 read anymore because how we fucked up like reading education, 0:25:17.640 --> 0:25:20.400 you know, around like the early aughts and shit, and 0:25:20.440 --> 0:25:23.359 like some the damage that that's done. But this is 0:25:23.400 --> 0:25:25.320 showing that, Like you've got a bunch of boomers who 0:25:25.320 --> 0:25:27.880 are going through these books, who are reading them very carefully, 0:25:27.880 --> 0:25:30.239 who are googling every word in them to see if 0:25:30.240 --> 0:25:32.919 there's different things. Yeah, and they catch all of this, 0:25:33.119 --> 0:25:36.320 like put all this weird maniaction together. But they don't 0:25:36.359 --> 0:25:38.399 just get that, Like, yeah, if you tell kids a 0:25:38.440 --> 0:25:42.440 simple story about another young person overthrowing a tyrannical government, 0:25:42.760 --> 0:25:48.000 maybe they'll burn down their capital building. Absolutely, it's happened before, 0:25:48.040 --> 0:25:49.119 and it'll happen again. 0:25:50.480 --> 0:25:53.399 Neil gets obsessed with all these little, tiny, tiny rabbit 0:25:53.400 --> 0:25:56.480 holes that are ultimately meaningless and like misses the very glaring, 0:25:56.520 --> 0:26:00.680 obvious thing right before his eyes. He says, numbers and 0:26:00.760 --> 0:26:04.960 letters are vibrational codes that affect the subconscious. The more 0:26:05.000 --> 0:26:07.679 I look at Saturn symbolism, the more I see a 0:26:07.760 --> 0:26:12.000 thought form, waveform or a vibrational pattern that permeates the 0:26:12.000 --> 0:26:13.520 collective thinking of humanity. 0:26:13.760 --> 0:26:17.840 Now you miss the obvious and more like there's all 0:26:17.840 --> 0:26:21.679 this obsession with like numerology, and it's like, well no. 0:26:21.760 --> 0:26:24.159 A big part of why the Hunger Games caught on 0:26:24.240 --> 0:26:26.400 to people and was like so easy to like meme 0:26:26.520 --> 0:26:29.000 and spread as part of these revolutionary actions is they 0:26:29.040 --> 0:26:31.040 had like a thing, a hand thing that you did. 0:26:31.119 --> 0:26:33.520 They had a little salute and like kids could do 0:26:33.600 --> 0:26:34.320 it to each other. 0:26:34.320 --> 0:26:37.600 It's the shit. It was not a fan of the salute. 0:26:37.640 --> 0:26:38.160 By the way. 0:26:38.680 --> 0:26:41.360 Well that's good. I'm sure he's got some fascinating opinions 0:26:41.440 --> 0:26:42.000 on that shit. 0:26:42.280 --> 0:26:47.200 Oh, he sure does, and we will hear his extremely 0:26:47.280 --> 0:26:50.800 fascinating opinions on the three finger Salute as well as 0:26:50.960 --> 0:26:56.520 other Hunger Games conspiracies and new upcoming predictive programming conspiracies 0:26:56.720 --> 0:27:01.119 based around the Civil War movie in the next episode. 0:27:01.200 --> 0:27:05.359 So stay tuned tomorrow for even more exciting news on 0:27:05.400 --> 0:27:09.200 how you can predict the future by watching movies. See 0:27:09.160 --> 0:27:27.120 you tomorrow, Welcome back to it could happen here. I'm 0:27:27.160 --> 0:27:30.920 Garrison Davis. I'm joined by Mia and Robert to discuss 0:27:31.040 --> 0:27:35.200 predictive programming. So last episode we talked about the origin 0:27:35.280 --> 0:27:40.240 of this conspiracy theory, how this Canadian Scottish conspiracy theorist 0:27:40.280 --> 0:27:43.520 named Alan Watt came up with this idea that through 0:27:43.640 --> 0:27:49.240 Hollywood movies, TV books, video games, the secret couple of 0:27:49.320 --> 0:27:54.000 shadowy governments is trying to subliminally prepare us to accept 0:27:54.320 --> 0:27:57.760 planned events as they take place in the future by 0:27:57.880 --> 0:28:04.000 putting little hints, shadows, and seeds into our everyday entertainment diet. 0:28:04.480 --> 0:28:07.440 One of the oldest examples that conspiracy theorists will point 0:28:07.440 --> 0:28:10.200 to you as an example of predictive programming is this 0:28:10.320 --> 0:28:14.040 book from the late eighteen hundreds called Futility that talks 0:28:14.080 --> 0:28:17.399 about a fictional ship called the titan which was thought 0:28:17.440 --> 0:28:21.040 to be completely unsinkable, which eventually crashed on an iceberg 0:28:21.119 --> 0:28:25.040 and sank. This obviously it mirrors what happened to the 0:28:25.080 --> 0:28:29.320 Titanic in the decades to follow. So yeah, what are 0:28:29.359 --> 0:28:32.200 we talking about this sort of stuff? Last episode ended 0:28:32.280 --> 0:28:35.719 in our discussion of the Hunger Games, I found this 0:28:35.840 --> 0:28:39.360 old conspiracy blog by this British guy named Neil where 0:28:39.400 --> 0:28:43.480 he talks about all of his theories surrounding the Hunger Games, 0:28:43.520 --> 0:28:47.880 books and movies. So we will return to hear Neil's 0:28:47.920 --> 0:28:53.080 thoughts on the predictive programming implanted into the Hunger Games. 0:28:54.320 --> 0:28:59.080 Neil also has fascinating opinions on trains. He really doesn't 0:28:59.160 --> 0:29:00.960 like that in the Hunger Adams there is a big 0:29:01.040 --> 0:29:04.280 like like train system which he links to like the 0:29:05.120 --> 0:29:07.840 which he links to the European Union's future train plan 0:29:07.920 --> 0:29:10.680 as well as as well as like high speed rail 0:29:10.720 --> 0:29:14.360 plans for North America, which he is very against because 0:29:14.440 --> 0:29:15.840 do you know who else used trains? 0:29:17.280 --> 0:29:18.080 Was it the Nazis? 0:29:18.120 --> 0:29:19.520 Garrison the Nazis? 0:29:19.680 --> 0:29:20.480 Is it the Nazis? 0:29:20.520 --> 0:29:21.320 It's the Nazis, you know? 0:29:21.400 --> 0:29:23.520 You can tell this is an older conspiracy because they 0:29:23.560 --> 0:29:25.880 because they're actually using the Nazis as the people who 0:29:25.960 --> 0:29:27.800 use trains and not like the Soviet Union. 0:29:28.160 --> 0:29:29.360 Yeah. 0:29:29.640 --> 0:29:32.760 I think Neil just really likes driving and he thinks 0:29:32.760 --> 0:29:35.080 that driving is like the epitome of freedom. So he 0:29:35.160 --> 0:29:37.960 talks about how like trains are trying to control which 0:29:38.000 --> 0:29:39.920 areas of the country you can go to instead of 0:29:40.040 --> 0:29:41.440 the freedom of the open road. 0:29:42.040 --> 0:29:44.320 I got stuck behind a train and traffic on my 0:29:44.360 --> 0:29:46.800 way to the airport, very frustrated to make me late 0:29:46.840 --> 0:29:49.280 to this call. So I actually I think he's right. 0:29:49.560 --> 0:29:50.400 I'm on board now. 0:29:50.640 --> 0:29:53.400 He also rants about this this this nineteen ninety two 0:29:54.200 --> 0:29:57.480 UN plan called Agenda twenty one about like a big 0:29:57.560 --> 0:30:01.640 environmental management plan with highly condensed humor human settlement zones. 0:30:02.120 --> 0:30:05.000 This is something that both John Birch and Glenn Beck 0:30:05.040 --> 0:30:06.480 were also like, really. 0:30:06.640 --> 0:30:10.160 Alex Jones is huge one. This was the entire conspiracy 0:30:10.160 --> 0:30:13.320 ecosystem for about fifteen years. Couldn't shut the fuck up outage. 0:30:13.400 --> 0:30:15.000 Some of them still go on about it. 0:30:15.120 --> 0:30:18.640 So Neil's upset because that looks similar to like the 0:30:18.680 --> 0:30:21.560 PanAm map of like because PanAm is in like a 0:30:21.600 --> 0:30:24.520 post climate collapse. We have these very condensed areas of 0:30:24.560 --> 0:30:28.800 settlement and like a vast like unusable land mass in America. 0:30:29.200 --> 0:30:31.480 So he has he has this whole thing about that 0:30:32.560 --> 0:30:35.640 he he doesn't like that President Snow looks like the 0:30:35.680 --> 0:30:39.680 Saturnian figure of Cronos, the father of time, who devours children, 0:30:40.200 --> 0:30:45.000 just like just like how President Snow sacrifices children to 0:30:45.120 --> 0:30:48.840 maintain like societal control of PanAm in the Hunger Games. 0:30:49.000 --> 0:30:51.560 You know, let him see my bed, my bathroom. That'll 0:30:51.680 --> 0:30:54.959 uh yeah, really good. In the center of some I 0:30:54.960 --> 0:30:58.040 have a giant copy of the Saturn and Eating his 0:30:58.120 --> 0:31:00.760 Son painting that's like right next to my toilet. It's 0:31:00.800 --> 0:31:04.680 great painting. Also not necessarily about that. They just found 0:31:04.720 --> 0:31:06.800 a painting of a guy eating a guy, and we're like, 0:31:06.840 --> 0:31:09.920 it's probably Saturn that this guy was trying to bait. 0:31:10.600 --> 0:31:13.720 That is the research quality that Neil also does. He's like, yeah, 0:31:13.720 --> 0:31:14.800 it's probably all these things. 0:31:14.920 --> 0:31:18.640 Seems like it's Saturn. Yeah, it seems like it's Saturn. Yeah, 0:31:18.840 --> 0:31:21.080 kind of uncomfortable to imagine it's anyone else. 0:31:22.520 --> 0:31:25.920 Neil also compares the Hunger Games to China's one child 0:31:26.080 --> 0:31:28.480 policy and the population reduction conspiracy. 0:31:28.480 --> 0:31:29.800 Theories of Agenda twenty one. 0:31:30.320 --> 0:31:33.040 Just like in the Hunger Games, it's about having children 0:31:33.120 --> 0:31:35.240 kill each other, just like the one child policy. 0:31:35.320 --> 0:31:37.640 Yeah, that's that's how China does their one child policy. 0:31:38.560 --> 0:31:41.240 Other children are told to kill children. 0:31:42.400 --> 0:31:47.400 Family back on the revolutionary tract quote. I can't confirm 0:31:47.440 --> 0:31:50.000 that Susan Collins used the archetype of Artemis for her 0:31:50.080 --> 0:31:52.960 character of Catnus, but what can be observed is how 0:31:53.000 --> 0:31:56.760 this female role model is a symbol for revolution, a 0:31:56.800 --> 0:31:59.520 new order, and more importantly, a new world system. This 0:31:59.600 --> 0:32:02.680 is clear the blueprint for a new America. So part 0:32:02.720 --> 0:32:05.480 of this blueprint that he talks about is like implanted 0:32:05.480 --> 0:32:08.960 microchips and a brutal police state that arrests and kills protesters, 0:32:09.280 --> 0:32:12.560 unlike our current police state, which would never arrest or 0:32:12.640 --> 0:32:13.360 kill a protester. 0:32:13.520 --> 0:32:15.520 Yeah, and everyone just carries microchips around. 0:32:16.120 --> 0:32:22.760 Yeah yeah, now more more devious than the murder happy police. 0:32:23.880 --> 0:32:27.840 Neil finds the bird symbolism to be including Catnus's dress, 0:32:28.080 --> 0:32:31.920 which transforms into the mocking jay symbol, which, according to Neil, 0:32:32.120 --> 0:32:37.320 looks quote remarkably like a Benu bird of Egypt, as 0:32:37.320 --> 0:32:41.320 well as a phoenix, especially when encircled in fire quote. 0:32:41.400 --> 0:32:43.760 The phoenix is a classic mystery school symbol that relates 0:32:43.760 --> 0:32:47.320 to the unseen forces that transforms the world. Both Catnus 0:32:47.360 --> 0:32:49.880 and Pete's costumes set a fire as they enter the 0:32:49.880 --> 0:32:53.000 arena before the tournament, with Catnus becoming the bird on fire. 0:32:53.080 --> 0:32:56.080 She's the embodiment of the coming transformation, the beginning and 0:32:56.120 --> 0:32:59.800 the end. Catnus and Peda are symbols of Artemis and Apollo, 0:32:59.880 --> 0:33:03.440 the twins and children of the New World Order of Gods. 0:33:03.920 --> 0:33:06.440 Smokeless fire is also a major symbol used by the 0:33:06.480 --> 0:33:12.240 Illuminati and is their vehicle to communicate with the Arkans. 0:33:12.680 --> 0:33:15.480 He never goes into further detail of a. 0:33:15.720 --> 0:33:19.720 Yes, smokeless powder is what made war possible, so you 0:33:19.760 --> 0:33:22.760 know there's other things. It's not just the Illuminati. We 0:33:22.840 --> 0:33:24.080 use it for fireworks too. 0:33:24.640 --> 0:33:28.120 Catnus is the woman closed in fire sun in the 0:33:28.120 --> 0:33:31.480 Book of Revelation and the EU, the United Nations and 0:33:31.520 --> 0:33:35.200 the Security Council replicate the symbolism a phoenix rising out 0:33:35.200 --> 0:33:36.240 of the tyranny and war. 0:33:36.640 --> 0:33:38.000 It's all reversed. 0:33:37.600 --> 0:33:40.960 Symbolism, of course, because these bodies are set to administer 0:33:41.080 --> 0:33:45.120 the world Army, police and the future New World Order unquote. 0:33:45.600 --> 0:33:49.520 Though he's there complaining about a United Nations mural that 0:33:49.600 --> 0:33:52.600 was made after World War Two about a phoenix of 0:33:52.640 --> 0:33:55.240 peace rising from the ashes of war, and houses actually 0:33:55.560 --> 0:33:58.959 reversed symbolism because they're actually going to be, you know, 0:33:59.240 --> 0:34:02.880 laying out this global, one world government calling at peace. 0:34:03.440 --> 0:34:03.640 You know. 0:34:04.240 --> 0:34:06.880 He also talks more about the Book of Revelation and 0:34:06.960 --> 0:34:10.400 how twelve and thirteen combined and the unification of the 0:34:10.440 --> 0:34:14.000 new World just like in the Bible, and then finally 0:34:14.080 --> 0:34:18.040 to get to that three that three finger salute quote. 0:34:18.320 --> 0:34:20.439 It's interesting when you dig a little deeper and find 0:34:20.440 --> 0:34:24.160 that Catnus's salute is reminiscent of a certain Nazi youth 0:34:24.200 --> 0:34:27.440 salutes found in Eastern Europe in the late nineteen thirties. 0:34:28.040 --> 0:34:28.960 He's and he's. 0:34:28.800 --> 0:34:30.880 Also quite concerned by the new adoption of the salute 0:34:30.880 --> 0:34:33.600 by the Girl Scouts, despite the three finger salute being 0:34:33.680 --> 0:34:35.560 used in Scout organizations for over a century. 0:34:36.080 --> 0:34:39.360 Yeah, yeah, like the boy Scouts have a lot are sinister, 0:34:39.520 --> 0:34:42.839 but not because of the salute, now is the least 0:34:42.880 --> 0:34:46.400 of the problem was a brief moment of reprieve for 0:34:46.480 --> 0:34:50.000 a lot of those boys getting to do a salute. 0:34:49.880 --> 0:34:52.480 And then he also says, quote it's no surprise that 0:34:52.520 --> 0:34:56.560 the mocking jpin also looks similar to a Nazi gunner badge, because, 0:34:56.680 --> 0:34:59.759 as I've all shown, the bird is the symbol for 0:34:59.800 --> 0:35:02.680 the power of revolution, a new order that goes all 0:35:02.719 --> 0:35:04.680 the way back to the Holy Roman Empire. 0:35:04.760 --> 0:35:06.200 And these are the guys will be like, look at 0:35:06.200 --> 0:35:08.680 the mocking Jay symbol. It's similar to Then they'll see 0:35:08.680 --> 0:35:11.400 like a Scout sniper flag that looks like the SS 0:35:11.480 --> 0:35:14.080 logo and go, well, there's clearly nothing related to that. 0:35:16.920 --> 0:35:19.279 And then we will we will close this section by 0:35:19.360 --> 0:35:24.200 by continuing on the revolutionary elements. Quote what kind of 0:35:24.239 --> 0:35:27.279 revolution does Catnus symbolize? Are the youth of today being 0:35:27.320 --> 0:35:30.759 readied for another revolution followed by another dictatorship? How many 0:35:30.760 --> 0:35:32.960 more celebrities are we going to see being used as 0:35:33.000 --> 0:35:37.360 a mouthpiece for revolution. I am all for peaceful revolution 0:35:37.680 --> 0:35:40.680 based on respect and love, but the movies never portray 0:35:40.760 --> 0:35:44.080 that kind of revolution. A peaceful revolution is one inspired 0:35:44.120 --> 0:35:47.279 by the inner world of imagination and not necessarily the 0:35:47.280 --> 0:35:49.920 outer world of this five sensus. The type of revolution 0:35:49.960 --> 0:35:52.040 that the elite would want us to unfold here would 0:35:52.080 --> 0:35:55.120 be one born of pandemonium. The illuminati, in those who 0:35:55.120 --> 0:35:58.560 control of the current global empire in the making, love 0:35:58.600 --> 0:36:01.439 to hide their agenda in planes, within commercial so called 0:36:01.480 --> 0:36:04.440 fictitious movies, and in the media industry in general. The 0:36:04.520 --> 0:36:07.400 Hunger Games is the script for the totalitarian, elite ruled 0:36:07.440 --> 0:36:10.400 brutal police state. The agenda's repeatedly being laid out in 0:36:10.440 --> 0:36:12.839 front of our very eyes, both in real everyday life 0:36:12.840 --> 0:36:15.200 and in things we choose to expose ourselves within the 0:36:15.280 --> 0:36:17.200 so called entertainment industry. 0:36:18.520 --> 0:36:20.719 This is one of these things where all of these 0:36:20.719 --> 0:36:24.320 conspiracy theories center around the fact that people, for reasons 0:36:24.320 --> 0:36:26.400 that are incomprehensible to be believed that the thing the 0:36:26.520 --> 0:36:29.360 US government wants you to do is shoot guns at them. 0:36:29.760 --> 0:36:32.960 Yes right, No, no, they don't. I guarantee they don't 0:36:32.960 --> 0:36:34.440 want you to shoot machine guns out there. 0:36:34.600 --> 0:36:37.759 They would like you to spend money and go to work. 0:36:38.320 --> 0:36:40.839 That's the primary thing the US government wants you to do. 0:36:40.920 --> 0:36:43.239 Pay your taxes without too much fuss. 0:36:43.719 --> 0:36:45.520 Do you know what else the US government wants you 0:36:45.560 --> 0:36:48.000 to do, Robert, I. 0:36:47.920 --> 0:36:49.640 Know a number of things the US government wants me 0:36:49.680 --> 0:36:52.320 to do, Garrison, but I won't. I will not stop 0:36:52.360 --> 0:36:54.759 telling people to take colloidal silver for all of their 0:36:54.760 --> 0:36:57.120 health care problems. The only way to really carry out 0:36:57.120 --> 0:37:02.400 the revolution starts with putting silver in your body. 0:37:11.120 --> 0:37:12.840 All right, we are back. 0:37:13.120 --> 0:37:15.880 I've actually always wanted to do the topical silver and 0:37:15.920 --> 0:37:17.000 get that like blue skin. 0:37:17.040 --> 0:37:18.480 I thought that'd be kind of cool. 0:37:19.239 --> 0:37:20.600 You have to do a lot of it, cares. 0:37:21.600 --> 0:37:25.520 I'm well aware, like we can achieve this with body paint. 0:37:25.920 --> 0:37:28.720 I do find it very funny that they're so obsessed 0:37:28.760 --> 0:37:31.480 with like the Hunger Games as this like this is 0:37:31.520 --> 0:37:33.799 the elite showing you how they're going to crack down 0:37:33.800 --> 0:37:36.480 on all of us, and then when it actually when 0:37:36.520 --> 0:37:39.279 the Hunger Games inspires an actual revolution, it's like the 0:37:39.280 --> 0:37:43.120 one that gets no support from any like Spook agency 0:37:43.200 --> 0:37:47.360 and the only one. There's no CIA, no FSB, fucking nothing, 0:37:47.520 --> 0:37:50.840 like it's just a bunch of teenagers and their books 0:37:50.840 --> 0:37:52.320 and three D printers. 0:37:52.000 --> 0:37:54.120 I mean, And like looking back at at that Hunger 0:37:54.120 --> 0:37:57.439 Game section, it's always interesting how people like this they're 0:37:57.480 --> 0:38:00.400 like in the real world, very like probe police in 0:38:00.440 --> 0:38:03.000 a lot of cases, but then also being like they're 0:38:03.000 --> 0:38:06.319 trying to instill a police state. Right, it's get to 0:38:06.640 --> 0:38:08.160 they get to eat their cake. And have it too, 0:38:08.480 --> 0:38:12.920 where they are both pro law enforcement but also anti 0:38:13.080 --> 0:38:16.880 this like imagined evil version of law enforcement that's always 0:38:16.880 --> 0:38:18.680 like right on the cusp of being introduced. 0:38:19.160 --> 0:38:21.640 There's a through line there, which is that they are 0:38:21.960 --> 0:38:28.080 anti whatever it seems like people are telling them. Is like, obviously, okay, 0:38:28.280 --> 0:38:31.520 it's it's it's oppositional, definant. It's the same reason why, 0:38:31.640 --> 0:38:33.799 like you think that you're on You're living in a 0:38:33.840 --> 0:38:36.040 normal earth, so it's got to be a hollow earth, right, 0:38:36.560 --> 0:38:39.720 Like it's this if something is popular, if a movie's popular, 0:38:39.800 --> 0:38:42.480 it can't just be a movie that people liked. And 0:38:42.520 --> 0:38:45.879 if it's like, you know, I saw a Hunger Game, 0:38:45.960 --> 0:38:47.719 the first Hunger Games movie, and I tried to read 0:38:47.760 --> 0:38:49.600 the books, and I was like, nah, I can't read 0:38:49.640 --> 0:38:52.680 these you know, they're not they were not written for me. 0:38:52.920 --> 0:38:55.200 Like it's it's just I was not interested in them. 0:38:55.400 --> 0:38:57.319 And that's all I really thought about it. But like 0:38:57.719 --> 0:39:00.759 certain people, if they see something popular and they don't 0:39:00.760 --> 0:39:04.160 immediately fall in love with it, they have to come 0:39:04.239 --> 0:39:06.319 up with some reason why it's sinister, and it's the 0:39:06.360 --> 0:39:10.360 same thing that leads them to reject everything else, right that, 0:39:11.000 --> 0:39:14.279 Like if other people like something and I don't get it, 0:39:14.480 --> 0:39:17.239 or I feel weird, I don't understand it, then it 0:39:17.280 --> 0:39:20.000 has to be a fucking conspiracy like that used to 0:39:20.000 --> 0:39:23.000 be one percent of this country, and through social media 0:39:23.360 --> 0:39:26.200 it's become like half of us. Because it's a deeply 0:39:26.719 --> 0:39:27.920 addictive way to feel. 0:39:28.800 --> 0:39:31.040 I think the most sinister thing about the new Hunger 0:39:31.080 --> 0:39:33.919 Games is that they did not put nearly enough Hunter 0:39:33.960 --> 0:39:35.080 Shaver in that movie. 0:39:35.719 --> 0:39:37.160 So let's know who that is. 0:39:37.400 --> 0:39:39.200 Let's continue to the last time. 0:39:39.320 --> 0:39:43.040 That's got to be predictive Hunter Shaver. So they're wanted. Okay, 0:39:43.080 --> 0:39:46.879 So this is like very clearly, well, no, I could 0:39:46.960 --> 0:39:48.799 go into like I could go into like they're trying 0:39:48.800 --> 0:39:50.759 to make the kids trans right, they wanted to like 0:39:50.840 --> 0:39:56.520 hunt down their parents, shaved right in shape, you know. 0:39:58.200 --> 0:39:58.600 On Earth. 0:39:58.960 --> 0:40:00.920 Well, I'm saying you could eat turned it into a 0:40:00.920 --> 0:40:03.160 conspiracy theory, Garrison, you could make it work. 0:40:04.160 --> 0:40:06.399 So last thing we are to talk about the new 0:40:06.520 --> 0:40:09.320 hit movie Leave the World Behind. 0:40:09.160 --> 0:40:14.360 A Garrison made me watch this. I'm never gonna forgive 0:40:14.400 --> 0:40:15.600 them for it. 0:40:15.680 --> 0:40:17.239 One of it is it is one of the most 0:40:17.280 --> 0:40:21.359 recent examples of a movie sparking predictive programming conspiracies. It's 0:40:21.440 --> 0:40:24.680 by the creator of mister Robot, which retroactively makes mister 0:40:24.760 --> 0:40:25.560 Robot much worse. 0:40:25.920 --> 0:40:26.200 Now. 0:40:26.400 --> 0:40:28.400 There is a few reasons why this movie has caused 0:40:28.400 --> 0:40:31.520 so much uproar, a major factor being that it's produced 0:40:31.560 --> 0:40:35.839 by the Obamas, as in the presidents very responsible. There is, 0:40:35.880 --> 0:40:39.680 there is, there's Havana syndrome references discussion of an evil 0:40:39.719 --> 0:40:43.080 cabal that runs the world, plans to collapse the United States, 0:40:43.360 --> 0:40:46.520 and the two child leads wear t shirts that read 0:40:46.680 --> 0:40:49.680 obey and NASA, respectively, which has been the cause of 0:40:49.719 --> 0:40:50.600 a lot of discourse. 0:40:52.440 --> 0:40:57.560 Obey NASA, Yeah. 0:40:55.880 --> 0:40:58.239 The Left's long term plan. 0:41:01.560 --> 0:41:01.799 Book. 0:41:01.920 --> 0:41:04.440 Several of the letters in NASA are also in Stalin. 0:41:04.520 --> 0:41:05.960 Are you gonna tell me that's a coincidence? 0:41:06.760 --> 0:41:07.080 Yeah? 0:41:07.120 --> 0:41:10.759 Probably, I will, I will now. I will now share this, 0:41:11.000 --> 0:41:14.880 share this clip from Steve Bannon, who had a Dutch 0:41:15.080 --> 0:41:18.320 far right e girl on his show to discuss the movie. 0:41:18.480 --> 0:41:20.640 Oh he's doing good, then, so he's doing good. 0:41:20.680 --> 0:41:21.120 That's good. 0:41:21.560 --> 0:41:22.640 I was worried about Steve. 0:41:23.960 --> 0:41:26.520 Okay, so we see a movie here now that is 0:41:26.560 --> 0:41:31.000 co produced by the Obama's about the potential potential cyber 0:41:31.120 --> 0:41:35.200 attack which causes mayhem, obviously, and I saw it, and 0:41:35.239 --> 0:41:39.000 it reminded me an awful lot of the narrative portrayed 0:41:39.000 --> 0:41:41.520 in a video published about two years. 0:41:41.320 --> 0:41:43.000 Ago by the World Economic Forum. 0:41:43.480 --> 0:41:46.680 And this was a video in which they supposedly warned 0:41:46.840 --> 0:41:49.840 us for a cyber pandemic. 0:41:50.080 --> 0:41:52.120 Interesting choice of words there. 0:41:52.360 --> 0:41:55.560 And they detail what could happen if we are under 0:41:55.560 --> 0:41:58.480 a cyber attack, and that the only way that we 0:41:58.560 --> 0:42:02.040 could solve and attack like that would be to disconnect 0:42:02.080 --> 0:42:06.440 everything and everyone completely from the Internet. So I figured, 0:42:06.960 --> 0:42:10.400 this seems to me like a classic case of predictive 0:42:10.520 --> 0:42:14.000 programming where not just the World Economic Forum, but now 0:42:14.080 --> 0:42:17.680 also through movies and you know, fictional stories, they are 0:42:17.680 --> 0:42:21.320 trying to prepare the public to the idea of cyber 0:42:21.400 --> 0:42:24.200 attacks and the potential chaos that could come with that. 0:42:25.200 --> 0:42:28.360 So that is that is her her big problems with 0:42:28.360 --> 0:42:30.160 the movie, which we'll see we'll see echoed in a 0:42:30.200 --> 0:42:33.040 lot of the people we talk about here with the 0:42:33.080 --> 0:42:37.200 World Economic Forums warning about a big cyber attack. She 0:42:37.239 --> 0:42:40.200 then went on to rant about the movies anti white sentiments, 0:42:40.239 --> 0:42:43.040 probably from the Obama's involvement. 0:42:43.480 --> 0:42:45.640 Clearly, yeah, she has. 0:42:45.800 --> 0:42:48.680 She has almost a million followers followers on Twitter. Is 0:42:49.280 --> 0:42:52.960 wild also because she's Dutch. Her last name is and 0:42:53.000 --> 0:42:58.800 I shit you not. Vlardinger broke so great great stuff 0:42:58.840 --> 0:43:00.000 happening in the Dutch. 0:43:00.000 --> 0:43:02.280 Wh Yeah, what is that predicting. 0:43:02.760 --> 0:43:06.160 For a summary of the movie, all at this conspiracy theory, 0:43:06.200 --> 0:43:09.759 TikTok explain the basic themes that we'll be discussing here. 0:43:10.520 --> 0:43:13.200 Essentially, the movie is about the downfall of civilization and 0:43:13.239 --> 0:43:15.360 how it's done in three steps. First step being that 0:43:15.400 --> 0:43:17.440 the government is going to be toppled from within, the 0:43:17.480 --> 0:43:19.839 next one that it's going to be littered with disinformation 0:43:19.880 --> 0:43:23.040 and misinformation to confuse the masses and to create chaos. 0:43:23.080 --> 0:43:25.000 The third step, if the first and second step are 0:43:25.040 --> 0:43:27.560 done correctly, is going to cause basically a civil war, 0:43:27.640 --> 0:43:30.279 causing the paranoid and problematic to start turning on each other. 0:43:30.280 --> 0:43:32.920 The Little Girl is obsessed with the last episode of 0:43:32.960 --> 0:43:35.839 Friends called How It Ends, which is interesting because the 0:43:35.880 --> 0:43:39.120 star of the movie, Julia Roberts, also dated Matthew Perry 0:43:39.200 --> 0:43:42.120 way way back, Matthew Perry, who also passed away earlier 0:43:42.160 --> 0:43:45.440 this year. The movie also references like billionaires and their bunkers, 0:43:45.480 --> 0:43:49.160 and it references the Cabal on way more than one occasion. 0:43:49.200 --> 0:43:52.400 The heart of it is that the Cabal has fallen, 0:43:52.560 --> 0:43:54.919 and so nobody is in charge, and this is what's 0:43:55.040 --> 0:43:58.160 leading to the fall of the United States of America. Essentially, 0:43:58.320 --> 0:44:01.520 it has a very predictive programming feel to it. And 0:44:01.560 --> 0:44:04.520 I mean with the Obamas and the constant references to water. 0:44:04.600 --> 0:44:07.239 Planes crash in the water and a boat called the 0:44:07.280 --> 0:44:10.480 White Lion runs up on shore from the ocean. Everybody 0:44:10.560 --> 0:44:13.160 wants water. They're constantly drinking water. Here's some water. You 0:44:13.160 --> 0:44:15.840 want some water? Didn't the Obama chef just drowned. I 0:44:15.880 --> 0:44:19.680 can't watch anything anymore. I can't enjoy Summon Up. The 0:44:19.840 --> 0:44:22.120 entire movie itself doesn't even have a plot. There's no 0:44:22.280 --> 0:44:24.720 real storyline to this movie, and the ending is awful. 0:44:24.760 --> 0:44:27.200 If I if I were not paying attention like I am, 0:44:27.520 --> 0:44:29.800 I would think the movie would be terrible. There's no resolution, 0:44:29.840 --> 0:44:32.520 there's no real start. It just seems like it's just here, 0:44:32.840 --> 0:44:35.560 just here, it's just telling you. And one more thing. 0:44:35.600 --> 0:44:38.320 It talks about microwave e MP. 0:44:38.800 --> 0:44:41.640 Like, okay, that's that's that's. 0:44:41.280 --> 0:44:48.480 That their brains are so melted that like they can't 0:44:48.480 --> 0:44:51.000 see a movie made in the image of all of 0:44:51.040 --> 0:44:53.920 their fears is made in the image of all their fears. 0:44:54.239 --> 0:44:58.120 Like the whole it's so sunsettling. It doesn't even start properly, 0:44:58.200 --> 0:45:02.120 it's just it just begins just in it. Like, man, 0:45:02.160 --> 0:45:03.800 that's that's kind of how a movie goes. 0:45:04.120 --> 0:45:05.960 I like how she talks about She like she like 0:45:06.040 --> 0:45:09.120 can't enjoy movies anymore, which is like the end result 0:45:09.200 --> 0:45:11.879 of all these all these conspiracy theorists, Like they just 0:45:12.120 --> 0:45:14.480 they just can't enjoy life because they see everything as 0:45:14.520 --> 0:45:17.160 this series of like interconnected incidents leading to some kind 0:45:17.160 --> 0:45:20.040 of grand narrative that makes it impossible to like actually 0:45:20.040 --> 0:45:23.800 like be happy, which is probably the funniest thing. Also 0:45:23.920 --> 0:45:27.319 that she thinks the movie predicted the death of the 0:45:27.360 --> 0:45:30.319 Obama's chef, which I don't don't even know if that's real. 0:45:30.920 --> 0:45:33.359 If you're one of these people, that's the most significant 0:45:33.360 --> 0:45:36.080 thing that's happened the last eighteen months. The Obama chef 0:45:36.120 --> 0:45:39.200 and Matthew Perry are like the Rosetta Stone for everything 0:45:39.239 --> 0:45:42.839 that's wrong in society, and not just two people who died, 0:45:43.000 --> 0:45:43.919 because it's a year. 0:45:44.120 --> 0:45:46.719 Because Matthew Perry used to date Jessica Roberts, who's the 0:45:46.719 --> 0:45:49.240 star of the movie, of course, and there's friends references 0:45:49.280 --> 0:45:51.880 all throughout the film so it's all connected. 0:45:51.640 --> 0:45:56.920 Subtle friends' references in very subtleind you miss him if 0:45:56.960 --> 0:45:57.880 you don't pay attention. 0:45:58.960 --> 0:46:02.600 So the the last conspiracy theorist I want to talk 0:46:02.600 --> 0:46:06.719 about is this is this like metaphysical influencer named Tristan 0:46:06.960 --> 0:46:10.880 Haggard who spends most of his time on stream selling 0:46:11.320 --> 0:46:13.959 hormone supplements for men so that they could boost their 0:46:14.160 --> 0:46:18.400 testosterone and stop being soy boys. While discussing various conspiracies. 0:46:19.320 --> 0:46:20.520 Love it, he. 0:46:20.520 --> 0:46:25.240 Says, quote cyber attacks, bio warfare, weaponized limes disease, lone 0:46:25.280 --> 0:46:28.480 star tick, chronic wasting disease, things that get you to 0:46:28.520 --> 0:46:33.120 stop eating meat. These things, these types of these types 0:46:33.160 --> 0:46:36.839 of programs are seated throughout the film. I feel like 0:46:37.040 --> 0:46:38.839 the tick bite and a lot of that stuff might 0:46:38.840 --> 0:46:42.280 have been a little bit of that DARPA extracurricular script editions. 0:46:42.520 --> 0:46:45.120 Yeah yeah, unquote. 0:46:45.080 --> 0:46:47.319 Yeah sure, yeah, of course. The fact that a kid 0:46:47.320 --> 0:46:49.520 gets bit by a tick and gets all fucked up 0:46:50.080 --> 0:46:52.680 is like trying to stop you from eating are. 0:46:52.360 --> 0:46:55.360 Trying to stop you from eating meat? Quote. 0:46:55.480 --> 0:46:57.840 I feel like the average normy might not put together 0:46:57.920 --> 0:47:05.400 the limes disease possible by weapon connection unquote. Amazing yeah, 0:47:05.680 --> 0:47:08.000 I don't think the average an army might might not 0:47:08.120 --> 0:47:09.160 put that one together. 0:47:10.080 --> 0:47:10.279 You know. 0:47:10.400 --> 0:47:12.279 That does suggest to me that all these people are 0:47:12.280 --> 0:47:15.239 gonna die in thirty seconds if there's any real kind 0:47:15.280 --> 0:47:18.520 of unrest because their attitude towards the idea of disease 0:47:18.760 --> 0:47:22.240 is that was planted by the New World Order. Yeah, 0:47:22.840 --> 0:47:24.840 people won't get sick now. 0:47:25.760 --> 0:47:27.719 These two guys on this stream also said that they 0:47:28.320 --> 0:47:30.720 had to stop watching Mister Robot in the third season 0:47:30.760 --> 0:47:33.840 because there were too many quote unquote gay scenes, which 0:47:33.880 --> 0:47:34.960 is really funny. 0:47:35.520 --> 0:47:37.319 I had to stop watching it in this first season 0:47:37.360 --> 0:47:40.439 because I don't like Remy Mallick. But you know, see 0:47:40.560 --> 0:47:42.680 I was are built different I had. 0:47:43.200 --> 0:47:45.319 I had to keep watching just for Christians later, but 0:47:45.400 --> 0:47:45.920 that's just me. 0:47:46.480 --> 0:47:48.200 He did make it hard to quit. 0:47:48.440 --> 0:47:48.800 Yeah. 0:47:48.920 --> 0:48:02.440 Yeah, So most of the time, these two guys on 0:48:02.480 --> 0:48:05.360 their conspiracy podcast just complain about how Ethan Hawk is 0:48:05.360 --> 0:48:08.200 a weak little soy boy and all of the and 0:48:08.200 --> 0:48:10.080 and and and all and all of the quote unquote 0:48:10.080 --> 0:48:13.360 by POC people were more like put together and more commanding, 0:48:13.719 --> 0:48:16.759 they constantly say BYEPAK, which is an interesting choice from 0:48:16.760 --> 0:48:17.000 that that. 0:48:17.120 --> 0:48:21.320 Is really fascinating, especially since Mahershall Ali's daughter isn't really 0:48:21.360 --> 0:48:23.760 a character in that movie, Marshall law Ali is okay 0:48:23.920 --> 0:48:27.719 because he's he's a great, great actor. But like, it's 0:48:27.760 --> 0:48:30.799 not like, it's not like all of the characters who 0:48:30.840 --> 0:48:33.840 aren't white or like written stirringly. Well, most of the 0:48:33.920 --> 0:48:38.080 characters of this movie are written like dog shits things. 0:48:38.239 --> 0:48:43.320 Yeah, but Tristan here says, quote, there's so much predictive 0:48:43.360 --> 0:48:46.480 programming and social engineering of how the mechanics of possible 0:48:46.520 --> 0:48:49.439 collapse of the power grid, collapse and the communications would 0:48:49.480 --> 0:48:52.960 result in basically chaos. And then I have I have 0:48:53.000 --> 0:48:55.960 this little clip here of him talking talking about the 0:48:56.080 --> 0:48:58.160 big cyber attack right now. 0:48:58.160 --> 0:48:59.680 A lot of people are saying, oh, this is predictive 0:48:59.680 --> 0:49:02.200 program They're going to do this cyber attack. And you know, 0:49:02.400 --> 0:49:04.000 we've been talking about this type of stuff for years, 0:49:04.080 --> 0:49:07.640 right with the cyber polygon on exercises and the World 0:49:07.719 --> 0:49:16.160 Economic Forum, and you're working with defense contractors in military intelligence, whatnot, 0:49:16.200 --> 0:49:19.200 working on the possible scenario of a cyber attack. Right 0:49:19.320 --> 0:49:22.360 the cyber attack is one of these scenarios that they're saying, 0:49:22.680 --> 0:49:26.000 it's got to happen, it's coming, the big cyber attacks coming. 0:49:26.320 --> 0:49:29.680 But I feel like films like this, The intention could 0:49:29.719 --> 0:49:32.560 be to make people so afraid of just the mere 0:49:32.640 --> 0:49:34.719 possibility of a total collapse like. 0:49:34.800 --> 0:49:38.520 This, so they obviously sound like they know what they're 0:49:38.560 --> 0:49:42.680 talking about there. That's very very very polished. Now Tristan 0:49:42.719 --> 0:49:47.640 thinks that he has a better idea to kind of 0:49:47.680 --> 0:49:48.520 seed collapse. 0:49:48.640 --> 0:49:49.040 Quote. 0:49:49.280 --> 0:49:51.000 A better way to implement this would be to not 0:49:51.040 --> 0:49:53.719 really roll out a huge wide scale power outages and 0:49:53.760 --> 0:49:57.839 communications outages, but make it up protracted, small and localized 0:49:58.040 --> 0:49:59.600 so that you can still maintain a certain level of 0:49:59.640 --> 0:50:02.799 propagand and control, and then create enough fear to where 0:50:02.840 --> 0:50:06.920 people will accept the mandatory digital ID for the Internet 0:50:07.120 --> 0:50:10.640 and the Central Bank digital currencies and whatnot. It's like 0:50:10.680 --> 0:50:12.960 a limited type of thing, a regional type of thing 0:50:13.120 --> 0:50:15.480 that then is hyped up to be the worst thing ever. 0:50:15.640 --> 0:50:16.200 Unquote. 0:50:16.719 --> 0:50:19.760 These guys are really like talking about this mandatory digital 0:50:19.800 --> 0:50:22.920 ID and the Central Bank digital currencies as being this 0:50:22.960 --> 0:50:26.960 big threat and there's going to just be any day 0:50:26.960 --> 0:50:29.080 this this this cyber attack which is gonna which is 0:50:29.080 --> 0:50:31.359 going to force us to all adopt this this uh, 0:50:31.600 --> 0:50:34.880 this digital ID to be able to sign into the internet. Quote, 0:50:35.160 --> 0:50:37.520 all you have to do is have most of the 0:50:37.560 --> 0:50:40.920 normal people afraid enough of the possible scenario and tease it. 0:50:40.920 --> 0:50:44.400 It's almost like a cyber attack brinksmanship type of thing unquote, 0:50:44.719 --> 0:50:47.200 so they think that, you know, you don't actually need 0:50:47.200 --> 0:50:49.000 to have the cyber attack, you just need to have 0:50:49.040 --> 0:50:52.000 people afraid enough that it could happen by by talking 0:50:52.000 --> 0:50:56.319 about it in media, film, TV, you know, all all this. 0:50:56.280 --> 0:50:56.920 Sort of stuff. 0:50:57.520 --> 0:51:00.560 You can't even get people to like change their past words. 0:51:00.640 --> 0:51:04.600 Like it's so funny because like the past few months, 0:51:04.600 --> 0:51:06.319 there actually has been a decent number of. 0:51:06.280 --> 0:51:09.040 Cyber attacks constantly, yes, which. 0:51:08.800 --> 0:51:11.440 Are yeah, like a very like a constant influx, which 0:51:11.480 --> 0:51:13.840 are all just being constantly handled, and it's it's not 0:51:13.960 --> 0:51:17.520 led to any of these massive apocalyptic scenarios that they're 0:51:17.560 --> 0:51:18.120 talking about. 0:51:18.800 --> 0:51:21.279 No, I mean, like the movie has. Part of how 0:51:21.320 --> 0:51:23.879 the movie has to make this, like has to make it, 0:51:24.120 --> 0:51:26.240 Like why the movie is set in the middle of nowhere, 0:51:26.320 --> 0:51:27.960 is that if it's set in a city and the 0:51:28.000 --> 0:51:31.279 internet goes out, the way people would actually respond would 0:51:31.320 --> 0:51:33.080 be like the way they respond when there's just some 0:51:33.120 --> 0:51:36.919 sort of random outage. Initially like like uh, oh shit, 0:51:37.040 --> 0:51:38.759 my phone doesn't work right now, I guess I've got 0:51:38.760 --> 0:51:41.920 to figure something else out for a second. Like it's 0:51:42.080 --> 0:51:46.680 it's easier to have it seem disconnected and like completely 0:51:46.719 --> 0:51:49.760 disorienting when you have everybody like out in the middle 0:51:49.800 --> 0:51:52.880 of nowhere without other people around to make shit makes sense. 0:51:54.080 --> 0:51:56.319 I'm gonna play Well, what one more clip from from 0:51:56.360 --> 0:51:57.799 Tristan's livestream here. 0:51:59.000 --> 0:52:00.800 I feel like also, I mean, they haven't they have 0:52:00.920 --> 0:52:05.480 been building all of this technocracy stuff to throw it away, right, 0:52:05.480 --> 0:52:08.759 They've been building it to implement it. So if there 0:52:08.960 --> 0:52:12.279 was an outage or the cyber attack or whatever, this 0:52:12.320 --> 0:52:15.560 would be some temporary, limited thing, you know, hyped up 0:52:15.600 --> 0:52:18.920 into oblivion and oh it was all the Trump Maga people, 0:52:19.120 --> 0:52:20.920 or it was all the Christians that did it to 0:52:20.960 --> 0:52:23.560 go working with Russia, Right, That's what they're gonna say. 0:52:23.960 --> 0:52:28.240 Yeah, yeah, totally. They're gonna blame the big cyber attack 0:52:28.360 --> 0:52:32.359 on the Trump Christians. That's gonna be who's gonna who's 0:52:32.360 --> 0:52:33.720 gonna launch the big attack? 0:52:33.920 --> 0:52:37.080 Totally absolutely to everyone will assume knew how to do 0:52:37.239 --> 0:52:43.480 a hack is the Trumpers. Yeah, first we taught them 0:52:43.520 --> 0:52:46.759 how to change the settings on their smart TV, and 0:52:46.840 --> 0:52:48.280 now they've hacked the planet. 0:52:48.560 --> 0:52:51.359 What do you do as soon as you turn off 0:52:51.360 --> 0:52:54.000 motion smoothing, then you're ready to go. They're gonna hack 0:52:54.080 --> 0:52:58.920 the system, get in, shut everything down. Oh so this 0:52:59.000 --> 0:53:01.759 Tristan guy was getting like hundreds of dollars in super 0:53:01.800 --> 0:53:04.360 chats on this stream. He's he's verified on YouTube, he 0:53:04.400 --> 0:53:07.399 has over one hundred thousand subscribers, and he is one 0:53:07.400 --> 0:53:11.719 of the has some of the like not not very 0:53:11.760 --> 0:53:14.759 hidden anti semitism, but like, I am kind of surprised 0:53:14.800 --> 0:53:16.840 that he's able to say as much as he is 0:53:16.920 --> 0:53:19.960 while still being verified and getting all this money, because 0:53:20.080 --> 0:53:22.080 he has this line towards the end of his of 0:53:22.160 --> 0:53:25.040 his stream quote, the little girl is inside the house 0:53:25.040 --> 0:53:27.080 with the bunker that everyone else was trying to go to, 0:53:27.320 --> 0:53:31.520 and she's sitting at the table surrounded by like goy slop. 0:53:31.920 --> 0:53:34.640 She's just got all the freaking kibbl foods like Funians 0:53:34.680 --> 0:53:37.879 and doritos. She's having a feast of gluttony. It's all 0:53:37.920 --> 0:53:42.480 freaking globo homo kibble, fruity pebbles and stuff. She's just 0:53:42.560 --> 0:53:46.240 gluttonously consuming a bunch of you know, trash processed foods. 0:53:46.360 --> 0:53:49.719 She's just all alone, just looking kind of autistic. Unquote 0:53:50.840 --> 0:53:54.080 what the fuck? So, yeah, he's just talking about like 0:53:54.239 --> 0:53:56.960 goy slop, like there's like the like, like the Jews 0:53:56.960 --> 0:53:59.080 are creating junk food to pacify. 0:53:59.280 --> 0:54:01.120 I want you to eat worms and stuff. 0:54:01.360 --> 0:54:06.800 Yeah, exactly, So that is most of most of his 0:54:07.480 --> 0:54:10.880 interesting opinions. I'll leave the world behind at a pretty 0:54:10.920 --> 0:54:11.560 bad movie. 0:54:12.120 --> 0:54:14.959 A pretty bad movie. You know, there is one real 0:54:15.080 --> 0:54:17.359 conspiracy theory about it, and it has nothing to do 0:54:17.400 --> 0:54:21.120 with the Obamas or predictive programming. We see a character 0:54:21.200 --> 0:54:24.759 at the beginning of the movie, a survivalist, prepping to 0:54:24.840 --> 0:54:27.040 take care of his family even though no one knows 0:54:27.080 --> 0:54:29.800 a disastro is coming, and later knew. The end of 0:54:29.840 --> 0:54:33.040 the movie, when Ethan Hawk's son is sick, we meet 0:54:33.239 --> 0:54:35.759 the survivalist again. It turns out he's a handyman who 0:54:35.760 --> 0:54:37.680 lives in the edge of town, and he's played by 0:54:37.760 --> 0:54:43.160 Kevin Bacon now Garrison. In the classic film Trimmers, Kevin 0:54:43.280 --> 0:54:47.320 Bacon plays a handyman character who with his friend Earl 0:54:47.400 --> 0:54:50.960 Bassett played by Fred Ward, has to fight off an 0:54:51.000 --> 0:54:56.160 attack by subterranean ancient giant worm beasts in order to 0:54:56.239 --> 0:55:00.600 save himself in his small community and Dune. In Just 0:55:00.640 --> 0:55:03.800 like Dune, Garrison and in the lore of the Trimmers movies, 0:55:04.400 --> 0:55:07.839 Val McKee. Kevin Bacon's character is not seen in further 0:55:07.920 --> 0:55:10.840 movies because he gets rich and he marries Ronda le 0:55:10.960 --> 0:55:13.160 Beck and they move off somewhere. Maybe they moved to 0:55:13.239 --> 0:55:16.680 the northeast, to an island off the coast of the 0:55:16.760 --> 0:55:19.880 East Coast, where he bought a house and became a 0:55:19.920 --> 0:55:24.160 survivalist prepper informed by his experiences with his good friend 0:55:24.239 --> 0:55:28.040 Bert Gummer, the local survivalist who shot a giant worm 0:55:28.120 --> 0:55:31.480 to death and maybe leave the world behind. As a 0:55:31.560 --> 0:55:35.280 stealth sequel to the first Trimmers movie, showing what Kevin 0:55:35.320 --> 0:55:37.200 Bacon's character does later in life. 0:55:37.680 --> 0:55:40.080 I would be so much more of a fan of 0:55:40.120 --> 0:55:42.480 SAMs Mill if he if he tried to, if he 0:55:42.480 --> 0:55:46.000 tried to put the Tremor's movies into the canon of 0:55:46.160 --> 0:55:47.680 mister Robot like. 0:55:47.719 --> 0:55:49.400 It would have been, it would have been perfect. I 0:55:49.440 --> 0:55:52.200 would have completely changed my opinion on this movie. He 0:55:52.320 --> 0:55:54.120 shout up to Kevin Bacon's house and he'd come out 0:55:54.160 --> 0:55:55.920 with a gun, and they'd been like, look, we just 0:55:55.920 --> 0:55:58.880 need some antibiotics. He's like, antibiotics, what about the fucking worms? 0:55:58.880 --> 0:56:01.560 How are you people walking around? And then the movie 0:56:01.640 --> 0:56:03.759 ends at the end of the movie it was all 0:56:03.800 --> 0:56:04.760 a Trimmers sequel. 0:56:05.000 --> 0:56:09.640 You you you Korean Iranian terrorists went into the wrong 0:56:09.840 --> 0:56:10.399 reck roof. 0:56:13.280 --> 0:56:15.400 So I lastly just. 0:56:15.360 --> 0:56:16.920 Want to talk a little bit about some of like, 0:56:17.000 --> 0:56:20.040 you know, the obvious problems with this predictive programming idea, right. 0:56:20.160 --> 0:56:23.319 It completely annoys the fact that humans use art as 0:56:23.320 --> 0:56:27.320 a form of cultural creation, like we imagine futures in 0:56:27.480 --> 0:56:29.920 our art specifically because they could come into being, like 0:56:29.960 --> 0:56:31.640 a lot of a lot of like sci fi that 0:56:31.680 --> 0:56:35.880 influences technology comes from this. Then that's also kind of 0:56:35.880 --> 0:56:38.560 the basis of of Mark Fisher and Nick Lan's like 0:56:38.600 --> 0:56:42.160 a cultural hyperstition where you specifically make art to have 0:56:42.200 --> 0:56:44.399 this larger cultural effect that then it can bring things 0:56:44.440 --> 0:56:47.360 into being as opposed to the more like individualistic like 0:56:47.520 --> 0:56:50.600 use of like occultism. And then a big, a big 0:56:50.640 --> 0:56:52.800 part of all of this, this predictive programming thing is 0:56:52.840 --> 0:56:55.759 also just like apaphenia, right, It's it's people creating connections 0:56:55.760 --> 0:56:58.840 and patterns and random data because it's it's actually easy 0:56:58.880 --> 0:57:02.200 to look back, can pick out past media that has 0:57:02.200 --> 0:57:05.760 seemingly predicted events, but it's much harder to identify current 0:57:05.840 --> 0:57:08.680 media that is actually predicting future events. Right, this is 0:57:08.719 --> 0:57:11.320 this is a part of hindsight bias, the tendency that 0:57:11.360 --> 0:57:13.360 we have to look at past events is more predictable 0:57:13.480 --> 0:57:16.240 than what they actually were. It is it's a common 0:57:16.280 --> 0:57:19.680 psychological response to a traumatic event like like a big 0:57:19.720 --> 0:57:23.440 pandemic or a school shooting. There's also you know, all 0:57:23.480 --> 0:57:26.280 of these all of these predicted programming theories fall into 0:57:26.280 --> 0:57:30.400 these kind of contradictory depictions. Which is why the which 0:57:30.440 --> 0:57:32.880 is why the Hunger Games guy like uh calls it 0:57:32.920 --> 0:57:37.440 like reverse symbolism. Right, it's it's if this if if 0:57:37.480 --> 0:57:40.120 predictive programming is orchestrated by a shadowy cabal seeking to 0:57:40.120 --> 0:57:43.680 implement a totalitarian takeover by normalizing an incredibly oppressive government. 0:57:44.280 --> 0:57:44.480 Uh. 0:57:44.560 --> 0:57:47.400 In media and film TV, why is the said media 0:57:47.440 --> 0:57:50.720 almost exclusively about like rebel heroes overthrowing and evil to 0:57:50.760 --> 0:57:53.720 talitarian government. Right, it doesn't, it doesn't actually match. And 0:57:53.760 --> 0:57:56.160 there's been a lot of like cultural studies showing that 0:57:57.120 --> 0:58:00.280 whether you portray something in media as positive or negative 0:58:00.520 --> 0:58:05.000 will strongly affect the audience's takeaway of the stimulus. So 0:58:05.280 --> 0:58:08.200 if you show something positively, they're more likely to view 0:58:08.240 --> 0:58:10.920 it as a positive thing. If you show something negatively, 0:58:11.120 --> 0:58:12.880 they're more likely to view it as a negative thing. Right. 0:58:12.880 --> 0:58:14.960 This sounds very obvious, but you do have to do 0:58:15.000 --> 0:58:17.080 like social science to actually like show this is a 0:58:17.120 --> 0:58:21.160 real pattern. And then finally, I will end this by 0:58:21.280 --> 0:58:25.800 quoting from that article from the Ohio State University quote, 0:58:26.200 --> 0:58:28.440 there are a few purposes for predictive programming, and not 0:58:28.480 --> 0:58:31.040 all of them have to deal with tyranny. Some of 0:58:31.080 --> 0:58:33.040 them are meant to lessen the blow of an event 0:58:33.120 --> 0:58:35.240 like nine to eleven or as previously mentioned, at the 0:58:35.240 --> 0:58:39.439 Sandy Hook shootings. The contradiction arises when thinking about why 0:58:39.480 --> 0:58:41.680 the government would want to warn us or prepare us 0:58:41.680 --> 0:58:44.360 for Sandy Hook. The whole point of Sandy Hook conspiracies 0:58:44.520 --> 0:58:47.160 is to doubt the event even happened, so the government 0:58:47.200 --> 0:58:51.240 would create a conversation around gun control. This would defeat 0:58:51.280 --> 0:58:53.480 the purpose of staging it if the government was trying 0:58:53.480 --> 0:58:58.880 to ensure a smaller or inexistent response unquote. Especially like 0:58:58.920 --> 0:59:01.360 looking back at what we talk about with like the Simpsons, 0:59:01.760 --> 0:59:04.040 it's it's just a fun game people play, right, Like 0:59:04.200 --> 0:59:06.200 it's it sounds like a fun a fun world to 0:59:06.400 --> 0:59:09.200 to to live in. If you can imagine this interconnected web, 0:59:09.200 --> 0:59:12.480 connecting every single thing that happens to your own experiences. 0:59:12.680 --> 0:59:14.120 It's it's it's it's. 0:59:14.000 --> 0:59:17.560 A way to turn turn the world into like this, 0:59:17.560 --> 0:59:19.640 this great mystery that you can solve instead of just 0:59:19.680 --> 0:59:21.240 like experiences that you have to live through. 0:59:22.280 --> 0:59:23.880 These people need real hobbies. 0:59:24.520 --> 0:59:27.600 Like Finally, the thing I wanted to mention is that 0:59:28.360 --> 0:59:32.000 the the upcoming discussion of predictive programming is all centered 0:59:32.040 --> 0:59:35.280 around this movie coming out next month called Civil War, 0:59:37.240 --> 0:59:40.520 which many many of these people in their discussion of 0:59:40.560 --> 0:59:44.000 Leave the World Behind are are are very much talking 0:59:44.000 --> 0:59:46.760 about how Civil War just seems like a sequel to 0:59:46.840 --> 0:59:49.400 Leave the World Behind, because Leave the World Behind seems 0:59:49.400 --> 0:59:51.720 like it's set up like a possible American civil war, 0:59:52.000 --> 0:59:54.840 and how this upcoming movie is itself going to be 0:59:55.120 --> 1:00:00.120 a massive predictive programming operation to prepare American citizens for 1:00:00.280 --> 1:00:03.520 civil conflict with each other. So have fun seeing a 1:00:03.520 --> 1:00:06.680 whole bunch of conspiracy theories develop around this movie that 1:00:06.760 --> 1:00:07.840 comes out next month. 1:00:08.760 --> 1:00:11.280 Yeah, that'll be that'll be good. I mean, I wish 1:00:11.360 --> 1:00:14.640 people would start some conspiracy theories around. Alex Garland's TV 1:00:14.760 --> 1:00:19.720 showed devs, which is dog shit also and one of 1:00:19.760 --> 1:00:21.880 the one of the worst uses of that guy from 1:00:21.880 --> 1:00:25.360 Parks and rec that I've seen in a long time. Heartbreaking. 1:00:26.480 --> 1:00:28.760 They use math to see the past, Garrison. 1:00:29.720 --> 1:00:31.520 That kind of reminds me of this movie I watched 1:00:31.520 --> 1:00:36.240 for research called Knowing with with Nick Cage, who finds 1:00:36.280 --> 1:00:38.720 a piece of paper that has something that's able to 1:00:38.840 --> 1:00:42.760 predict like catastrophic events. Alex Jones thought this movie predicted 1:00:42.800 --> 1:00:45.360 an oil rig explosion in the Gulf of Mexico. But 1:00:45.440 --> 1:00:48.640 besides that, you don't see it. You don't really see 1:00:48.680 --> 1:00:51.000 it much in these in these circles, despite its very 1:00:51.040 --> 1:00:53.800 like obvious, like predictive focus. 1:00:54.200 --> 1:00:54.400 Yeah. 1:00:54.480 --> 1:00:58.240 Mostly Dev's features a bunch of very good actors standing 1:00:58.280 --> 1:01:01.000 around and staring at a screen where grainy picture of 1:01:01.080 --> 1:01:05.320 Jesus from the past is lit up in like movie 1:01:05.360 --> 1:01:09.760 theater size screens like it's it's it's very it's very mid. 1:01:09.840 --> 1:01:12.120 That's what I'm saying about DEVS. It's pretty mid. Folks 1:01:12.120 --> 1:01:12.960 don't watch DEVS. 1:01:13.200 --> 1:01:16.360 Yeah, I mean, same thing with this Obama movie. So, yeah, 1:01:16.480 --> 1:01:18.680 watch out for the Obama's new movies, which are all 1:01:18.760 --> 1:01:21.600 gonna see the collapse of humanity, as well as the 1:01:21.680 --> 1:01:25.280 A twenty four The War movie, which is probably probably 1:01:25.320 --> 1:01:28.080 devious in some way, so have fun with that. 1:01:28.640 --> 1:01:28.840 You know. 1:01:29.800 --> 1:01:32.680 I'll say this, Barack Obama, it's not his fault, obviously 1:01:32.840 --> 1:01:34.920 that a bunch of racists lost their mind when he 1:01:34.960 --> 1:01:38.440 became president, But knowing that it was kind of responsible 1:01:38.440 --> 1:01:43.000 for him to make his debut movie production a movie 1:01:43.120 --> 1:01:47.880 about a cabal taking over the government using secret weapons. 1:01:47.920 --> 1:01:49.600 Absolutely, you knew what was. 1:01:49.600 --> 1:01:52.440 Going to happen, Barack. You're not a dumb man to 1:01:52.480 --> 1:01:54.560 tell me that's not what was going to happen. 1:01:54.880 --> 1:01:58.240 Absolutely, all right, Well, I think that does it for 1:01:58.320 --> 1:02:14.600 us today. Have fun predicting the end of this episode. 1:02:16.200 --> 1:02:19.640 Hello, good morning, good afternoon, good evening, and night. I'm 1:02:19.760 --> 1:02:23.000 Andrew Sage and I run the YouTube channel Andrewism. But 1:02:23.600 --> 1:02:26.800 this is it could happen here today. I'm carrying on 1:02:26.840 --> 1:02:32.440 my discussion of everyone's favorite subject, collapse. I'm here, of 1:02:32.480 --> 1:02:39.440 course with Garrison, and last time we spoke about the what, why, 1:02:39.480 --> 1:02:42.320 and how of collapse, as well as in many ways 1:02:42.320 --> 1:02:45.520 people respond when confronted with this crisis. So if you're 1:02:45.520 --> 1:02:48.560 curious about that, you can listen to the previous discussion. 1:02:49.840 --> 1:02:52.080 One thing I didn't touch on last time was the 1:02:52.120 --> 1:02:55.600 various levels of awareness that people have about collapse, because 1:02:55.720 --> 1:02:58.320 as with most things in this life, it exists on 1:02:58.360 --> 1:03:01.280 more of a spectrum than anything. We're all on this 1:03:01.520 --> 1:03:05.320 learning journey and some people are further along, if you 1:03:05.320 --> 1:03:10.400 could even really relate, it's not way than others. Some 1:03:10.440 --> 1:03:15.520 discussions of collapse are informed by author Paula Shafferka's Stages 1:03:16.000 --> 1:03:20.480 of Collapse. There are five stages in total, and the 1:03:20.520 --> 1:03:23.560 first stage is dead asleep, which is where you're really 1:03:23.640 --> 1:03:26.000 just vibing. You know, you can see some issues in 1:03:26.000 --> 1:03:29.600 the world here and there, but that could be fixed, right. 1:03:29.840 --> 1:03:31.960 All we had to do is organize a bit better, 1:03:32.240 --> 1:03:36.200 change our behaviors, slightly tweak the rules, and we'll be fine. 1:03:36.560 --> 1:03:38.240 But then you move on to the next stage, which 1:03:38.280 --> 1:03:42.560 is the awareness of one fundamental problem is when you realize, oh, 1:03:42.600 --> 1:03:45.960 there's something structurally wrong. What you only see in one 1:03:46.080 --> 1:03:49.640 part of that structural flow, so it seems everything is 1:03:49.680 --> 1:03:53.320 not you know, cash money, you know, maybe fond about 1:03:53.320 --> 1:03:57.640 the depths of systemic racism or imperialism, or overfission or 1:03:57.960 --> 1:04:02.600 mass extinction or fracket. And you know, as one does, 1:04:02.640 --> 1:04:04.400 you start to freak out a little bit. You know, 1:04:04.480 --> 1:04:06.960 maybe you mobilize to bring some awareness of this issue, 1:04:07.200 --> 1:04:09.800 just so people know that you know something is wrong, 1:04:10.320 --> 1:04:13.760 let's fix it, and that one problem can even consume 1:04:13.800 --> 1:04:16.920 you entirely. And then consuming all that knowledge about that 1:04:17.000 --> 1:04:20.920 one problem, you keep learning, and if you really do 1:04:21.120 --> 1:04:24.000 keep learning and are open to learn more and more 1:04:24.040 --> 1:04:27.800 about the issue, eventually reach an awareness of many problems. 1:04:27.800 --> 1:04:30.840 The next stage. The more you learn, the more you worry. 1:04:31.160 --> 1:04:33.400 You take in all sorts of information and begin to 1:04:33.440 --> 1:04:37.560 see how complex and multifaceted the world's problems are. Now 1:04:37.560 --> 1:04:39.360 it's hard for you to even prioritize which is so 1:04:39.480 --> 1:04:42.240 need to be tell first. In fact, it's so overwhelmed 1:04:42.440 --> 1:04:45.320 you do have be reluctant to acknowledge new problems because 1:04:45.360 --> 1:04:48.440 you already have so much on your plate. Alas, you 1:04:48.520 --> 1:04:51.920 cannot ignore the other problems forever, not unless you want 1:04:51.920 --> 1:04:54.560 to keep running in circles. So you get to the 1:04:54.600 --> 1:04:58.000 stage of awareness of the interconnections between the many problems, 1:04:58.760 --> 1:05:00.520 it starts to dawn on you that there are no 1:05:00.600 --> 1:05:04.800 easy solutions. Shutting down factory farms mainly off millions and 1:05:04.840 --> 1:05:08.120 leave perhaps hundreds of millions for a complete meal, or 1:05:08.200 --> 1:05:10.400 efforts to raise the standard of living in the developing 1:05:10.440 --> 1:05:13.760 world through industrialization in the footsteps of the developed world 1:05:14.400 --> 1:05:17.640 just might accelerate the Earth demise and profit a select 1:05:17.720 --> 1:05:20.800 few at least you thinking on the systems level, now 1:05:21.320 --> 1:05:24.880 beyond the symptoms towards the source. Perhaps there is no 1:05:25.240 --> 1:05:29.560 one solution, Perhaps the gravity of such a solution maybe 1:05:29.800 --> 1:05:34.560 too much to pay. So finally, at the last stage, 1:05:34.920 --> 1:05:39.080 you get to awareness that the predicament encompasses all aspects 1:05:39.120 --> 1:05:42.160 of life, so much so you might even pine after 1:05:42.280 --> 1:05:45.560 ignorance as you realize that this series of problems, or 1:05:45.600 --> 1:05:50.560 rather this all encompassing capital p predicament, includes everything we do, 1:05:51.040 --> 1:05:53.520 how we do, what we do, how we relate, and 1:05:53.560 --> 1:05:56.760 how we affect the entire planet. The predicaments is so 1:05:56.840 --> 1:05:59.000 massive you might even reach a point where you're just like, 1:05:59.520 --> 1:06:03.240 there is no capital s solution to this capital be predicament, 1:06:03.600 --> 1:06:06.320 no easy answer, no quick fix, and you can't do 1:06:06.400 --> 1:06:10.320 it alone. So now what now? In the last episode, 1:06:10.440 --> 1:06:13.400 I would have spoken about a couple of different responses 1:06:14.000 --> 1:06:20.840 that people have had to collapse slumber, denial, apathy, preoccupation, hedonism, 1:06:21.040 --> 1:06:27.640 overwhelm and blind hope, individual change, progress, worship, leader worship, 1:06:28.080 --> 1:06:33.800 apocalypse worship, despair, but as promised for this episode, I 1:06:33.880 --> 1:06:39.840 want to be a bit more constructive in focus and 1:06:39.920 --> 1:06:45.160 so to answer the question, really is there any way out? 1:06:45.880 --> 1:06:48.360 But before I get to that garrison, do you think 1:06:48.360 --> 1:06:50.920 there are any stages am I have missed in that 1:06:51.960 --> 1:06:56.000 progression of understanding? Or what have you observed in your experience? 1:06:58.040 --> 1:07:00.240 I mean one thing I kind of will Reitter eight, 1:07:00.840 --> 1:07:03.640 that is, this is something that was talked about a 1:07:03.720 --> 1:07:07.840 lot when when Robert was putting together the second season 1:07:07.840 --> 1:07:11.240 of It could happen here is is trying to avoid Yeah, 1:07:11.280 --> 1:07:14.280 like like like looking at collapse as one singular moment 1:07:14.800 --> 1:07:19.040 and more as this Like it's a more gauzy and 1:07:19.760 --> 1:07:24.320 more fuzzy slow crumbling of things that we have grown 1:07:24.400 --> 1:07:29.280 to rely on. And it sometimes you could like envision 1:07:29.360 --> 1:07:32.560 it eventually reaching to some sort of tipping point, but 1:07:32.960 --> 1:07:35.960 other times the tipping points never really ever reach. It's 1:07:36.000 --> 1:07:38.640 it's it's just it's just this this forever kind of 1:07:38.680 --> 1:07:42.600 crumbling and then rebuilding and then crumbling and rebuilding, and 1:07:42.640 --> 1:07:45.760 you get to like a ship a theseus situation where eventually, 1:07:46.800 --> 1:07:49.440 at one point the thing is completely different from what 1:07:49.480 --> 1:07:51.320 it used to be, but there was never like a 1:07:51.360 --> 1:07:54.560 full moment of quote unquote collapse. It was just this 1:07:54.560 --> 1:07:58.520 this continual like crumbling and then becoming into the next thing. 1:07:59.400 --> 1:08:03.000 It kind of saw and similar to what John Michael 1:08:03.160 --> 1:08:08.680 Greer described, No, not John Michael Greer, David Korwitz. He 1:08:08.880 --> 1:08:12.640 talks about this idea of like oscillating decline. Yeah, yeah, 1:08:12.680 --> 1:08:16.479 these these recessions, these declines, and you have a couple 1:08:16.520 --> 1:08:18.240 of peaks when things have to climb up a little 1:08:18.280 --> 1:08:21.200 bit and then and then the overall picture is like 1:08:21.240 --> 1:08:24.799 a downward trend, but there are some like brief aspects 1:08:24.800 --> 1:08:25.480 of recovery. 1:08:26.479 --> 1:08:29.759 Yeah, And that's definitely a mode that I think about 1:08:29.800 --> 1:08:31.960 a lot. You know, a lot of people are worried 1:08:32.040 --> 1:08:35.479 of like some like some event triggering a much kind 1:08:35.520 --> 1:08:39.960 of larger scale collapse. And I think it's good too 1:08:40.040 --> 1:08:42.959 to focus on all of the smaller, the smaller crumbling 1:08:43.000 --> 1:08:45.800 that's just always happening all of the time, no matter 1:08:45.920 --> 1:08:46.559 where you live. 1:08:47.840 --> 1:08:50.880 So I mean my experience is pretty similar. I think 1:08:50.920 --> 1:08:53.600 one of the first issues that I became like fundamentally 1:08:53.600 --> 1:08:59.200 aware of was climate change. Sure, of course, I mean 1:08:59.360 --> 1:09:01.479 you crack up any one of those like I don't 1:09:01.479 --> 1:09:03.000 know if you ever got one of those big books 1:09:03.040 --> 1:09:04.439 of knowledge as a child. 1:09:04.760 --> 1:09:06.360 Yeah, yeah, yeah, I had. 1:09:06.000 --> 1:09:09.439 I had a few kind of plastic pages. Yeah, just 1:09:09.680 --> 1:09:11.400 so they have all these big, amazing pictures. 1:09:11.479 --> 1:09:11.639 Yeah. 1:09:12.040 --> 1:09:14.080 So I remember seeing those in one of those books, 1:09:14.120 --> 1:09:20.960 like this huge like mountain of trash and seeing like 1:09:21.479 --> 1:09:24.160 this this floating garbage patch in the ocean, and I 1:09:24.200 --> 1:09:26.920 was just like wow. And then later on, so the 1:09:26.960 --> 1:09:29.720 first thing wasn't even climate change, it was pollution. And 1:09:29.760 --> 1:09:32.000 then later on I started doing about climate change, and 1:09:32.000 --> 1:09:35.000 then that really became like my nature thing. And then 1:09:35.040 --> 1:09:37.840 later on I as I got older and I learn't 1:09:38.040 --> 1:09:40.840 learned history and that sort of thing, I came to 1:09:41.240 --> 1:09:43.200 economics and all that stuff. I came to realize that 1:09:43.320 --> 1:09:48.280 just how big situation was. And now I'm here. So, 1:09:48.360 --> 1:09:51.960 as I said in the previous episode, we really don't 1:09:52.160 --> 1:09:57.040 need blind hope, and I should be upondly clear, we 1:09:57.120 --> 1:10:01.599 definitely don't need hopeless despair. It's a little rhyme there. 1:10:03.040 --> 1:10:09.120 So how do we respond to this predicament? The short 1:10:09.200 --> 1:10:13.439 answer is that I don't know. The long answer is 1:10:13.439 --> 1:10:17.480 this whole podcast episode. I mean I could give some platitudes, 1:10:17.560 --> 1:10:22.920 you know, we need sobriety, clarity, lucidity. I mean Paul 1:10:22.920 --> 1:10:26.360 Shafuka points out in his article that those in stage 1:10:26.400 --> 1:10:30.240 five awareness who see that the predicament encompasses all aspects 1:10:30.280 --> 1:10:34.760 of life look to one of two paths. And I 1:10:34.760 --> 1:10:37.920 mean I've since adapted into Britain and remixed the two paths, 1:10:37.960 --> 1:10:39.880 so not one to one with what he had in mind, 1:10:40.400 --> 1:10:43.360 but you should get the gist. The first path of 1:10:43.400 --> 1:10:46.280 response to the predicaments of collapse is the inner path 1:10:46.400 --> 1:10:50.720 of self healer. It's a manifestation of that fake Can 1:10:50.840 --> 1:10:52.840 the quote be the change you want to see in 1:10:52.880 --> 1:10:56.439 the world, sort of retreating into oneself, digging deep and 1:10:56.560 --> 1:11:01.599 personal to helping your self awareness. I mean some people 1:11:01.640 --> 1:11:04.240 take this to mean some sort of hyper individual thing, 1:11:04.240 --> 1:11:07.840 and its low key is if you tilt and twist 1:11:07.880 --> 1:11:10.120 your head slightly, you can maybe see it in a 1:11:10.160 --> 1:11:13.120 different light. I don't think it has to mean becoming 1:11:13.160 --> 1:11:16.120 a monk or an aesthetic. I don't think it means 1:11:16.160 --> 1:11:20.040 denying systems or ignoring the painful truth. I think it 1:11:20.080 --> 1:11:23.280 involves taken in the gravity of what we're dealing with, 1:11:23.400 --> 1:11:27.120 such a grand scale issue, and putting it in a 1:11:27.200 --> 1:11:31.880 personal context, unabstracting it and understanding it through a more 1:11:32.120 --> 1:11:38.240 managical lens. I'm not one to fall back on evolutionary 1:11:38.320 --> 1:11:42.840 terminism or anything like that, but I do think often 1:11:42.880 --> 1:11:46.040 about how we kind of weren't meant to be processing 1:11:47.000 --> 1:11:50.080 this entire planet, this entire population. 1:11:50.840 --> 1:11:51.000 You know. 1:11:51.000 --> 1:11:54.120 I think we're very good at dealing with immediate problems, 1:11:54.200 --> 1:11:57.960 very good at looking at situations that are before us, 1:11:57.960 --> 1:12:01.080 that are directly impacting us, and look at how we 1:12:01.120 --> 1:12:06.400 can solve that. And of course, no local solution necessarily 1:12:06.800 --> 1:12:12.559 is going to buy itself solve a global crisis, but 1:12:13.479 --> 1:12:18.040 medley of local solutions can. But we're not even talking 1:12:18.080 --> 1:12:22.280 here with this inner path of local solutions yet, we're 1:12:22.280 --> 1:12:25.479 talking even at a smaller scale, in the local, at 1:12:25.520 --> 1:12:30.320 the base unit of society, which is the self. So 1:12:30.360 --> 1:12:34.080 you might continue pursuing knowledge of the issues, start developing 1:12:34.080 --> 1:12:37.640 your practical skills and people's skills, trying to minimalize your 1:12:37.640 --> 1:12:41.479 lifestyle and preparation for the economic and social shocks of collapse, 1:12:42.479 --> 1:12:45.799 perhaps seeking to settle somewhere you determined it's best suited 1:12:46.120 --> 1:12:49.200 to whether the coming storms, which I believe. I saw 1:12:49.240 --> 1:12:52.120 a video like some years ago where this guy was 1:12:52.160 --> 1:12:57.200 saying the Midwest might be the best place environmentally to settle. 1:12:57.880 --> 1:13:01.000 I don't know if you'll cover that in the fust 1:13:01.000 --> 1:13:03.840 to a second season that could happen, yet, I. 1:13:03.840 --> 1:13:06.280 Mean there was something definitely we we looked we were 1:13:06.280 --> 1:13:09.800 looking into during some of the research phases of a 1:13:09.800 --> 1:13:12.040 lot of the agriculture that is currently based in the 1:13:12.080 --> 1:13:15.840 south of the United States every every every decade is 1:13:15.880 --> 1:13:18.000 going to start moving up and up and up, and 1:13:18.280 --> 1:13:21.880 particularly like Canada is going to enter a very large 1:13:21.920 --> 1:13:26.840 agricultural economic boom. That process has already started. But yes, 1:13:26.880 --> 1:13:32.360 there's gonna like be this this slow rising level of 1:13:32.400 --> 1:13:35.479 like industrial farming, which first of all, isn't isn't actually 1:13:36.040 --> 1:13:38.960 great for the land itself. Like once all of the 1:13:39.040 --> 1:13:42.240 land that's abandoned in the Southern States, like after it's 1:13:42.240 --> 1:13:45.920 been tapped for so long, it's really just like dust, 1:13:46.000 --> 1:13:49.559 like it's it's not actually useful dirt anymore. But it's 1:13:49.880 --> 1:13:52.040 all of that stuff's going to start moving farther and 1:13:52.080 --> 1:13:55.719 farther north as the as the conditions for growth start changing. 1:13:56.439 --> 1:13:58.080 And mean, it's the same thing for a lot of 1:13:58.200 --> 1:14:00.360 a lot of things that are grown and like more 1:14:00.400 --> 1:14:05.839 like jungly forest mountain areas where every year, like coffee 1:14:05.840 --> 1:14:08.840 and chocolate. They have to start they have to they 1:14:08.880 --> 1:14:11.759 have to start moving the crops further up the mountain. 1:14:12.439 --> 1:14:16.320 And again that's that doesn't that's obviously not a great 1:14:16.320 --> 1:14:19.800 long term solution because the mountain is only so high 1:14:20.360 --> 1:14:22.040 that it costs and it costs a lot of money 1:14:22.040 --> 1:14:24.920 to constantly be moving your crops higher and higher up 1:14:24.960 --> 1:14:28.680 a mountain. Indeed, but that is the sort of like 1:14:29.160 --> 1:14:32.960 agricultural and like economic drive. It's going to start getting 1:14:32.960 --> 1:14:37.360 more and more common to supply the amount of food 1:14:37.439 --> 1:14:40.720 that Americans are used to eating. And it won't like 1:14:41.400 --> 1:14:44.720 in the case of coffee, like it's not like actual 1:14:44.920 --> 1:14:47.439 coffee beans are not going to be as common as 1:14:47.479 --> 1:14:49.840 they were today or twenty years ago. It's going to 1:14:49.840 --> 1:14:52.680 become more of like a higher priced luxury item. And 1:14:53.000 --> 1:14:55.599 I'm sure, I'm sure Americans will get their caffeine fixed 1:14:55.680 --> 1:14:59.679 some other way. But yeah, it's like that those those 1:14:59.720 --> 1:15:01.960 sorts changes are going to become more and more and 1:15:02.040 --> 1:15:02.840 more commonplace. 1:15:03.640 --> 1:15:18.160 Yeah, yeah, for sure. And this is why you know, 1:15:18.560 --> 1:15:25.000 anarchists get I think unfairly labeled like past like like 1:15:25.439 --> 1:15:30.280 excessively a ca area or maybe parochial and the focus. 1:15:31.120 --> 1:15:34.639 But I think that as we talk about the degradation 1:15:34.760 --> 1:15:39.360 of soils, We talk about the failures in the long 1:15:39.479 --> 1:15:47.080 term of monocultural large scale farm and the only way 1:15:47.120 --> 1:15:48.960 that we're really going to see that sort of land 1:15:49.000 --> 1:15:54.679 restored again is through the sort of agro forestry, puma culture, 1:15:55.479 --> 1:16:02.280 you know, small scale practices that involve rebuilding that relationship 1:16:02.320 --> 1:16:07.599 between the people and the land itself. Regardden outside of 1:16:07.640 --> 1:16:11.200 the US, I don't know what my game plan would be. 1:16:12.120 --> 1:16:14.439 The dry seasons are certainly dry, and I think last 1:16:14.520 --> 1:16:19.680 year actually was one of our driest wet seasons, So 1:16:20.960 --> 1:16:25.760 I don't really plan on leaving, but I do think 1:16:25.800 --> 1:16:28.160 about I do find myself thinking about, Okay, where am 1:16:28.200 --> 1:16:33.040 I gonna, like, but where am I going to settle? 1:16:33.120 --> 1:16:35.840 You know, Like, where am I going to be able 1:16:35.840 --> 1:16:42.200 to like safeguard myself and stay connected with people and 1:16:43.560 --> 1:16:49.200 live you know. So in a sense, I am on 1:16:49.240 --> 1:16:54.120 that inner path, educating myself as much as possible, trying 1:16:54.160 --> 1:16:57.760 to develop my practical skills, focusing on what I could 1:16:57.760 --> 1:17:00.720 do as an individual to make changes in my own 1:17:00.760 --> 1:17:04.919 life and partially in my surroundings the way that is manageable. Hassan, 1:17:06.960 --> 1:17:09.000 do you see yourself in this path? As well. 1:17:10.200 --> 1:17:14.280 I I'm not sure I tried to not I I 1:17:14.320 --> 1:17:16.400 spent a lot of time thinking about the future, I guess, 1:17:16.400 --> 1:17:18.760 but I try not to lock myself into any any 1:17:18.800 --> 1:17:23.800 particular pathway. I don't know, like I've already started to 1:17:24.200 --> 1:17:28.840 move around the US, leaving leaving the places where I've 1:17:28.880 --> 1:17:31.559 kind of grown up for the majority of my life 1:17:31.960 --> 1:17:35.160 that are actually decently suited for for some kind of 1:17:35.160 --> 1:17:41.800 climate collapse. But yeah, I I I don't know, I 1:17:42.240 --> 1:17:45.080 have I have risk. I have some form of hesitancy 1:17:45.600 --> 1:17:49.320 to like seed territory or just like like right off 1:17:50.439 --> 1:17:52.920 places as just being like not worth it, like especially 1:17:53.160 --> 1:17:56.200 especially like the South, the American Southeast, just like that 1:17:56.400 --> 1:17:58.240 there's kind of a there's kind of a nocean, just 1:17:58.240 --> 1:18:03.120 to like write off large swaths of areas, whether like agriculturally, 1:18:03.360 --> 1:18:06.920 like climate wise, or like even like politically being like, oh, 1:18:06.960 --> 1:18:09.400 this is just where all of the fascists are gonna live, 1:18:09.400 --> 1:18:11.960 and like that's not that's not true. This this has 1:18:12.200 --> 1:18:14.280 this area of the country is actually is one of 1:18:14.320 --> 1:18:16.559 the most diverse parts of the country, and to write 1:18:16.560 --> 1:18:19.960 it off all is like just like Republican Land is 1:18:20.120 --> 1:18:24.800 I think is grossly misguided, absolutely On the other hand, 1:18:25.080 --> 1:18:27.280 if things get really really bad, I'm also gonna hold 1:18:27.320 --> 1:18:30.720 onto my Canadian passport and just go and have that, 1:18:30.920 --> 1:18:33.240 have that as a backup option, just to just to 1:18:33.280 --> 1:18:37.240 go up north into uh into the snowy desolate of 1:18:37.320 --> 1:18:38.200 northern Alberta. 1:18:39.120 --> 1:18:42.880 So I mean I kind of a shove. Yeah, if 1:18:42.960 --> 1:18:46.439 Bush comes to shove. Antarctica is the final frontier. 1:18:46.320 --> 1:18:48.599 Right, So, like I I I always kind of I'm 1:18:48.960 --> 1:18:51.479 I have that backup option, which is easier than a 1:18:51.479 --> 1:18:54.519 lot of people. But it's it's it's it's something. It's 1:18:54.520 --> 1:18:58.200 something I try not to like. I don't like relying 1:18:58.240 --> 1:18:59.040 on that kind of notion. 1:19:00.479 --> 1:19:03.559 I feel you, I feel you, yeah, And I mean 1:19:03.600 --> 1:19:05.559 that's part of why I don't say this in our 1:19:05.680 --> 1:19:08.559 path is fully satisfactory to me. Yeah, even though I 1:19:08.560 --> 1:19:11.320 feel it's a path of unconsciously chosen due to some 1:19:11.360 --> 1:19:14.920 of the challenges I've faced on the outer path. But 1:19:15.200 --> 1:19:18.120 still what clicks with me more is the outer path. 1:19:18.720 --> 1:19:22.960 I've also called it balanced realism, which is, you know, 1:19:23.040 --> 1:19:25.559 hard to balance because a lot of people who confuse 1:19:25.720 --> 1:19:31.040 realism with pessimism, you know, you just see everything being awful. 1:19:31.040 --> 1:19:33.800 As I'm a realist, you know, But truthfully, I think 1:19:33.800 --> 1:19:37.280 taking the outer path of balance realism means shaken off 1:19:37.280 --> 1:19:41.800 the burdens and blinders are both pessimism and optimism and 1:19:41.920 --> 1:19:46.960 alarmism and denihialism and fatalism and hedonism and all these 1:19:46.960 --> 1:19:49.400 other setbacks and obstacles. 1:19:49.000 --> 1:19:49.719 All the other. 1:19:51.360 --> 1:20:01.200 Except aneurism. Trying to keep watching anwism, please, but you're 1:20:01.240 --> 1:20:05.240 really loosing yourself from your own hopes and fears. Really, 1:20:05.320 --> 1:20:07.640 I think the way I try to see it is 1:20:09.280 --> 1:20:11.800 I have no idea, and no one can really know 1:20:13.280 --> 1:20:18.280 what outcome there will be. You know, up to now, 1:20:18.280 --> 1:20:20.960 I have a better profit, I have meta sayer, I 1:20:20.960 --> 1:20:24.960 have meta fortune teller. I don't think any of us 1:20:25.000 --> 1:20:27.240 really know what the outcome will be. And there's so 1:20:27.240 --> 1:20:32.559 many factors that you can't even calculate and take into accome. Yeah, 1:20:32.680 --> 1:20:36.880 I mean, for all we know, I mean, it will 1:20:36.920 --> 1:20:39.559 be very disruptive of our reality, right, and personally, I'm 1:20:39.600 --> 1:20:44.000 not really a believer in like there be an interspeller 1:20:45.120 --> 1:20:52.559 alien species, but you know, imagine just out of the blue, 1:20:52.600 --> 1:20:57.120 like on a random Thursday afternoon, there was an actual 1:20:57.120 --> 1:21:00.479 alien invasion. I don't think any of us can really 1:21:00.520 --> 1:21:02.920 predict that. Of course, there are things that we do 1:21:02.960 --> 1:21:05.200 have the abilits to predict and work with and stuff 1:21:05.200 --> 1:21:08.120 like that. But really, of course that's an ex saggery 1:21:08.200 --> 1:21:10.640 to the example. But I want to be able to 1:21:10.640 --> 1:21:14.760 recognize and accept any number of possible outcomes in the 1:21:14.760 --> 1:21:18.280 face of such a grand predicament. I think maintaining realism 1:21:18.400 --> 1:21:20.920 is difficult, especially with so much information. Who have been 1:21:20.920 --> 1:21:22.679 around in the ether, and you don't know what's true 1:21:23.080 --> 1:21:26.120 and what's not. But I think it's necessary. You know, 1:21:26.160 --> 1:21:29.240 you agitate, your fight, your build for the best, but 1:21:29.400 --> 1:21:33.360 you also prepare and defend for the worst prefecide. By 1:21:33.400 --> 1:21:37.880 the way, on optimism, I see really two sides of 1:21:37.960 --> 1:21:42.360 collapse optimism. Both I think are well placed, but both 1:21:42.800 --> 1:21:47.000 unfortunately misled. There's the optimism that collapse absolutely will not 1:21:47.040 --> 1:21:49.920 take place, which I think is a sort of optimism 1:21:49.960 --> 1:21:55.160 that doesn't really quite understand where collapse, what forms collapse 1:21:55.200 --> 1:21:57.320 can take. And then it's a sort of optimism that 1:21:57.400 --> 1:22:01.040 collapse will take place but will overcome it. I mean, 1:22:01.040 --> 1:22:03.360 the house of collapse might not line up fully with 1:22:03.400 --> 1:22:07.519 our predictions, but there is a very clear trajectory that 1:22:07.600 --> 1:22:10.400 we are on the idea that collapse is just not 1:22:10.479 --> 1:22:14.000 in the cards at all, really feels like wishful thinking 1:22:14.600 --> 1:22:18.640 humanity I don't think has the plot armor that we 1:22:18.720 --> 1:22:22.040 tend to think it does. And that lack of plot 1:22:22.160 --> 1:22:24.680 armor also means that there's really no guarantee that we 1:22:24.680 --> 1:22:27.720 will overcome collapse if it does occur. There are no 1:22:27.880 --> 1:22:29.840 show outcomes, to be sure, but that doesn't mean a 1:22:29.880 --> 1:22:34.400 bit destined to come out of this unscathed. But what 1:22:34.439 --> 1:22:43.240 do you think of optimism considering what you do for work? 1:22:44.560 --> 1:22:45.040 I don't know. 1:22:45.640 --> 1:22:49.400 I honestly don't think about optimism very much. I see 1:22:49.439 --> 1:22:51.960 a lot of bad stuff, like every day as a 1:22:51.960 --> 1:22:53.639 part of my job, I think about a lot of 1:22:53.680 --> 1:22:58.439 like grim stuff, I suppose, but it's honestly not something 1:22:58.479 --> 1:23:01.040 I think about it. I think it's it's it's a 1:23:01.080 --> 1:23:03.640 little bit of its own bubble. I think there's a 1:23:03.760 --> 1:23:08.720 utility for having hope but not having a sense of 1:23:08.840 --> 1:23:12.680 just like static optimism, I think. I think hope is 1:23:12.680 --> 1:23:14.519 a is a is a useful thing to have in 1:23:14.560 --> 1:23:18.200 your brain, but but not not have it be as 1:23:18.240 --> 1:23:22.760 like this just like umbrella that you apply to every 1:23:22.800 --> 1:23:25.040 single aspect of your life in the way like optimism is, 1:23:25.200 --> 1:23:28.360 but in terms of like when you're mentioning, like the 1:23:28.400 --> 1:23:31.840 alien thing. I think one way that people do think 1:23:32.240 --> 1:23:34.400 about collapse or trying to cope with it a lot 1:23:34.520 --> 1:23:37.080 is like it's kind of some form of like disx machana, 1:23:37.200 --> 1:23:40.400 like like this this something will happen, whether that's some 1:23:40.439 --> 1:23:44.559 other like catastrophic event or like apocalyptic event, or it's 1:23:44.600 --> 1:23:48.920 like some new found scientific advancement that one day will 1:23:48.920 --> 1:23:52.960 pop into existence and then we'll solve all of these problems. 1:23:53.200 --> 1:23:55.479 I think both of those are kind of a form 1:23:55.520 --> 1:23:57.919 of a dix macana, and both of those are actually 1:23:58.200 --> 1:24:01.000 ways of coping, even though one is more apocalyptic and 1:24:01.080 --> 1:24:02.240 one's more utopian. 1:24:02.840 --> 1:24:04.960 I thought you were talking about the video game series, 1:24:05.000 --> 1:24:11.200 you know, no, Like I was thinking, oh, yeah, you 1:24:11.240 --> 1:24:12.680 know ex cybern etics. 1:24:12.720 --> 1:24:16.559 Yeah, sure, sure, I we like that kind of that 1:24:16.640 --> 1:24:18.719 kind of is its own form of dis x makta 1:24:19.280 --> 1:24:19.919 in terms. 1:24:19.720 --> 1:24:22.320 Of this, this. 1:24:21.240 --> 1:24:25.160 This thing entering from backstage that now solves all of 1:24:25.160 --> 1:24:27.639 these problems we have in the story of the world. 1:24:28.240 --> 1:24:30.280 But I mean that is I think that's that's the 1:24:30.320 --> 1:24:32.320 thing that I think a lot of people try to 1:24:32.360 --> 1:24:34.840 find some so it kind of allows you to not 1:24:34.960 --> 1:24:39.439 be in denial about the current predicament, but still envision 1:24:39.479 --> 1:24:42.519 a future that is pretty similar to what we currently have, 1:24:43.040 --> 1:24:46.720 just with this like magical invention or this or this 1:24:46.880 --> 1:24:50.360 like or this like apocalyptic event that forces people to 1:24:50.479 --> 1:24:54.560 like actually solve some some degree of problems. 1:24:54.880 --> 1:24:55.040 You know. 1:24:55.040 --> 1:24:56.400 It's kind of it's kind of like the thing in 1:24:56.439 --> 1:24:58.880 Alan Moore's Watchman, being like if there was a giant squid, 1:24:58.880 --> 1:25:03.040 then the whole world would team up together solve the problem, 1:25:03.600 --> 1:25:05.880 and I don't know, that seems a little bit less likely. 1:25:06.560 --> 1:25:10.799 Yeah, Unfortunately, climate collapse, ecological collapse is not a giant squid, 1:25:11.400 --> 1:25:12.880 and there is no Doctor Manhattan. 1:25:13.560 --> 1:25:17.679 Yeah, and even even after COVID, right, you have this massive, 1:25:17.680 --> 1:25:20.439 like world threatening event, and it's it's kind of the 1:25:20.920 --> 1:25:24.360 perfect example of it's like a you know, a version 1:25:24.400 --> 1:25:27.040 of the giant squid, and that did not lead to 1:25:27.080 --> 1:25:30.600 the whole world working together to solve this big problem. 1:25:30.960 --> 1:25:32.719 I mean, to be fair, it was like a giant 1:25:32.880 --> 1:25:34.160 invisible squid. 1:25:35.560 --> 1:25:36.200 Yeah, it was. 1:25:36.680 --> 1:25:40.320 To be fair as well, the giant invisible squid is 1:25:40.400 --> 1:25:46.280 still there and like regularly claiming lives, we kind of 1:25:46.280 --> 1:25:48.880 just go up all with alladays, kind of ignoring its like, oh, 1:25:48.920 --> 1:25:55.240 you know, there goes Fred, you know, snatched up by 1:25:55.280 --> 1:25:56.040 the giant squid. 1:25:57.000 --> 1:25:59.160 I'm sure in the Watchmen world there would be a 1:25:59.280 --> 1:26:03.080 great many of like squid deniers, of people who are like, no, 1:26:03.160 --> 1:26:05.840 this squid was never real. This this couid was all fake. 1:26:06.600 --> 1:26:08.759 That was all faked in New York City. It was 1:26:08.439 --> 1:26:09.960 it was, It wasn't real like that. 1:26:10.040 --> 1:26:12.160 I long said, there's no opinion that everybody in the 1:26:12.160 --> 1:26:14.639 world would agree with, you know, like if you were 1:26:14.680 --> 1:26:19.960 to say, for example, that all humans need food to live, 1:26:20.720 --> 1:26:23.639 there's gonna be a contrarian who's gonna tell you, actually, 1:26:23.760 --> 1:26:30.200 I survive on photosynthesis. I'm a breatheteria. You know, there's 1:26:30.200 --> 1:26:32.600 there's no uncontroversial tea because they will. I think there 1:26:32.640 --> 1:26:46.479 will be a deniers no matter what. You know, as 1:26:46.520 --> 1:26:49.400 you were talking about optimism and sort of the dark 1:26:49.439 --> 1:26:52.479 things you're dealing with, it reminded me of something that 1:26:52.479 --> 1:26:56.879 that shook me. Yesterday. I was watching shown on YouTube 1:26:57.600 --> 1:27:02.439 Sean's video on Palistine and he shared the story of 1:27:02.479 --> 1:27:06.599 this young person and boy who had filmed the video 1:27:06.720 --> 1:27:11.920 celebrating himself winning kat in a thousand subscribers, and he 1:27:11.960 --> 1:27:14.960 was sharing his goals of you know, he may get 1:27:15.040 --> 1:27:17.679 in ten tho one hundred thousand, maybe even a million, 1:27:18.840 --> 1:27:26.720 and he was killed last year by the idea. So 1:27:26.760 --> 1:27:31.599 I think, I mean, it's connected, but not entirely related. 1:27:32.280 --> 1:27:35.879 We're talking more long lines of ecological collapse and systems 1:27:35.920 --> 1:27:38.639 collapse and this sort of thing. And while it's true 1:27:38.760 --> 1:27:41.320 that for much of the world collapse is not going 1:27:41.400 --> 1:27:44.800 to look like a singular event, I think it is 1:27:44.840 --> 1:27:49.800 also important to recognize that and remember that there are 1:27:49.880 --> 1:27:56.320 people for whom collapse, or rather they are subjective collapse. 1:27:56.360 --> 1:28:00.280 The collapse of their world, their way of life they exists, 1:28:01.600 --> 1:28:03.080 is staring them in the face. 1:28:03.680 --> 1:28:04.120 Absolutely. 1:28:04.400 --> 1:28:09.400 Now, you know, I don't want to compare misfortunes, but 1:28:09.439 --> 1:28:14.400 you know, there is that reality that you know, some 1:28:14.560 --> 1:28:21.080 people are facing like cataclysm right in their face, and 1:28:21.160 --> 1:28:27.400 for others it's like a slower boon, but ultimately similar feats. 1:28:27.439 --> 1:28:27.680 You know. 1:28:28.160 --> 1:28:31.160 That was something we were also considering when putting together 1:28:31.320 --> 1:28:34.880 some of the climate change focused earlier episodes from a 1:28:34.960 --> 1:28:40.559 few years back. And like the effects of climate change 1:28:40.640 --> 1:28:44.400 or just collapse in general are not like uniform, right 1:28:44.439 --> 1:28:49.519 they they it first targets on the periphery and like whatever, 1:28:49.880 --> 1:28:52.200 that's kind of a faulty way of doing that right, 1:28:52.240 --> 1:28:54.000 Like an old term would be like the third world. 1:28:54.479 --> 1:28:56.559 We were trying to find better, better terms for this 1:28:57.560 --> 1:28:57.920 and that of. 1:28:57.880 --> 1:28:59.080 Them really fully work. 1:28:59.800 --> 1:29:00.240 Yeah. 1:29:00.280 --> 1:29:02.960 I was actually recently talking and I stream about how 1:29:03.120 --> 1:29:06.080 like like I'm just like I feel like all these 1:29:06.080 --> 1:29:09.640 distinctions people trying to drow, like the West is just 1:29:09.720 --> 1:29:12.120 the east or you know, global North is schoogle. So 1:29:12.160 --> 1:29:17.000 they're all a bit messy. Yes, actual application. 1:29:17.560 --> 1:29:19.040 But the people on. 1:29:19.120 --> 1:29:24.640 Like the the edges of empire, the edges of like 1:29:24.720 --> 1:29:29.120 the Imperial engine, are going to face this a lot 1:29:29.200 --> 1:29:33.000 sooner than the people in the imperial core and like that. 1:29:33.000 --> 1:29:37.439 That is just whether that's collapsed through like war like 1:29:37.439 --> 1:29:41.439 like like forced collapse, or that's collapsed through like environmental 1:29:41.439 --> 1:29:44.759 factors like but both of those are often the case. 1:29:45.280 --> 1:29:47.320 People are going to do a lot of work to 1:29:47.360 --> 1:29:50.120 maintain the mecca of New York City, but they're not 1:29:50.160 --> 1:29:52.880 going to care for a small town, not. 1:29:52.880 --> 1:29:57.600 Even a small town like Jakarta could sink into the ocean. 1:29:57.320 --> 1:30:00.880 And absolutely like just like who kires, right, hurricanes taking 1:30:00.880 --> 1:30:03.320 out like act like care just to be clear, the 1:30:03.360 --> 1:30:07.840 whole countries, Yeah, no, absolutely, like those these things do 1:30:07.880 --> 1:30:10.759 not do not get held on the same the same level. 1:30:11.600 --> 1:30:20.040 Yeah, yeah, so I mean I'm supposed to answer my 1:30:20.120 --> 1:30:22.840 own question. I think you do need a dose of 1:30:22.880 --> 1:30:26.360 optimism to keep you from falling to despair or completely 1:30:26.520 --> 1:30:30.040 checking out to the struggle, just for the sake of 1:30:30.040 --> 1:30:35.120 your mental health, but not to the point of blindness 1:30:35.120 --> 1:30:37.840 from the truth. I don't think there's anything wrong with 1:30:38.080 --> 1:30:42.320 maintaining some level of emotional cushion in to keep you 1:30:44.280 --> 1:30:47.120 going to you know, fuel you to wake up in 1:30:47.160 --> 1:30:50.760 the morning and and make it through your day. But 1:30:52.000 --> 1:30:54.880 not to the point of the delusion, I suppose. And 1:30:54.960 --> 1:30:56.640 I think this is this is the value of the 1:30:56.680 --> 1:30:59.719 outer path as well. And I think this outer path 1:30:59.800 --> 1:31:05.040 is fueled by a bit of in a grace and peace. 1:31:05.680 --> 1:31:08.960 You know, you've let go of some level of naivety 1:31:09.000 --> 1:31:13.599 and passivity. You're moving, acting, doing, adapting. And here, of course, 1:31:13.600 --> 1:31:16.400 I'm thinking of like the Puma culture movement, the Transition 1:31:16.560 --> 1:31:20.920 Towns Network, or the other ongoing movements and projects, none 1:31:20.960 --> 1:31:23.360 of which are perfect, mind you, none of which are 1:31:23.400 --> 1:31:26.000 going to say the whole world or anything, but they 1:31:26.040 --> 1:31:29.559 Sidney try. And I'm as thinking of like the movement 1:31:30.160 --> 1:31:35.400 for the MST in Brazil, and you know the Leavia Campecina, 1:31:35.479 --> 1:31:40.439 who we would have interviewed in people about recently. These groups, 1:31:40.479 --> 1:31:45.040 these movements, they struggles are thinking, are looking local, thinking 1:31:45.120 --> 1:31:48.479 global and actually really making a difference. I think that 1:31:48.560 --> 1:31:51.639 outlook is necessary. I think we need more political movements 1:31:51.680 --> 1:31:55.439 it could be honest about reality that aren't waiting for 1:31:55.479 --> 1:31:59.280 a safere or politician that aren't wait sensor it's too 1:31:59.320 --> 1:32:02.840 late to act, that aren't removing power from the hands 1:32:02.840 --> 1:32:07.719 of people and placement elsewhere move instead of far less 1:32:07.720 --> 1:32:11.840 reactive and more proactive, and maybe we'll never see a 1:32:11.960 --> 1:32:14.920 global shift to the growth or a steady state economy 1:32:14.920 --> 1:32:17.479 in all lifetimes without a major disruption and shifting the 1:32:17.520 --> 1:32:21.679 efforts of grounds roots movements. We can definitely see small scale, 1:32:21.760 --> 1:32:25.840 local resilient systems springing up and spreading that are better 1:32:25.960 --> 1:32:32.200 able to endure the coming economic, socio ecological shocks. I 1:32:32.240 --> 1:32:35.320 am as pro social revolution as they come, but I 1:32:35.320 --> 1:32:40.040 think we need a more expansive understanding of what that entails. 1:32:40.520 --> 1:32:45.000 I was reading actually this Morning Anarchy, a graphic guide 1:32:45.240 --> 1:32:53.639 by Clifford Harper, and he spoke about how sixty five 1:32:53.880 --> 1:33:00.200 years of persistent agitation and organization culminated in the largest 1:33:00.240 --> 1:33:04.960 far reaching revolutionary movement of the modern times. I think 1:33:05.000 --> 1:33:09.719 when we discuss the Spanish Civil War and the cnt FAI, 1:33:10.479 --> 1:33:12.240 a lot of people get caught up from always happening 1:33:12.360 --> 1:33:15.960 during the Civil War. But I think I don't think 1:33:16.000 --> 1:33:18.280 there's not focused on the fact that, you know, these 1:33:18.360 --> 1:33:22.280 organizations were moving and shaken in their communities and in 1:33:22.320 --> 1:33:28.320 their regions for decades prior to any major you know 1:33:29.200 --> 1:33:31.760 pop off. You know, like a general strike does not 1:33:31.880 --> 1:33:35.800 happen overnight, and insurrection does not happen overnight, espectially not 1:33:36.400 --> 1:33:39.519 without the level of broad scale support they will be 1:33:39.600 --> 1:33:43.720 necessary to sustain those efforts. On the topic of the 1:33:43.760 --> 1:33:48.160 Transition Movement in particular, that movement was officially started in 1:33:48.200 --> 1:33:51.120 two thousand and six in the UK, but had some 1:33:51.240 --> 1:33:54.400 routes before then. In two thousand and four, primic culture 1:33:54.400 --> 1:33:58.679 designer Rob Hopkins task students at Kinsale through their Education college, 1:33:59.000 --> 1:34:02.280 with applying primical principles to the concept of peak oil, 1:34:02.760 --> 1:34:05.840 leading to the creation of the Kinseal Energy Descent Action Plan. 1:34:06.680 --> 1:34:11.919 Two students, Louis Rooney and Catherine Dune developed the Transition 1:34:12.120 --> 1:34:16.439 Town's concept, presented into the Kinsale Town Council which adopts 1:34:16.479 --> 1:34:21.360 the plan for energy independence. Then Hopkins later moved to Totney's, England, 1:34:21.400 --> 1:34:26.200 where he, along with Naresh Kiang gray Kian Grandee, developed 1:34:26.200 --> 1:34:31.120 these concepts into the Transition model. Transition Town Totney's founded 1:34:31.160 --> 1:34:33.920 in early two thousand and six, serious inspiration for other 1:34:33.960 --> 1:34:38.080 transition initiatives globally. Early two thousand and seven, the Transition 1:34:38.120 --> 1:34:40.960 Network UK charity was co founded by Rob Hopkins, Peter 1:34:41.360 --> 1:34:45.519 Lippmann and Ben Brangwin his support and the sound transition 1:34:45.680 --> 1:34:49.360 concepts worldwide. By two thousand and eight, product had expanded, 1:34:49.600 --> 1:34:53.639 with numerous communities becoming official transition towns. These are things 1:34:53.680 --> 1:34:56.160 you don't care about in the news. These are positive 1:34:56.160 --> 1:34:58.880 developments that have happened under the radar for decades. At 1:34:58.880 --> 1:35:02.759 this point. By May twenty ten, over four hundred community 1:35:02.760 --> 1:35:06.920 initiatives will recognize as official transition towns in various countries, 1:35:07.240 --> 1:35:10.479 reflecting the diverse range of communities involved, from villages and 1:35:10.520 --> 1:35:16.719 neighborhoods to cities and city boroughs. The initiatives who developed 1:35:16.720 --> 1:35:21.680 citizens cooperatives, renewable energy, local and sustainable food systems, new 1:35:21.760 --> 1:35:26.879 cooperative economic models, sustainable transport systems, energy to send action plans, 1:35:27.120 --> 1:35:30.720 and even hearts and Soul groups built to respond to 1:35:30.760 --> 1:35:35.679 the emotional components of collapse and transition. In the book 1:35:35.960 --> 1:35:40.360 How Everything Can Collapse, which I referenced in the previous episode, 1:35:41.240 --> 1:35:45.840 Paulo Savine and Raphael Stephen's talk about the paradox of collapse, 1:35:46.479 --> 1:35:48.479 and I'll leave it in their words because I think 1:35:48.479 --> 1:35:50.000 it was really well put. 1:35:50.960 --> 1:35:51.400 Quote. 1:35:52.800 --> 1:35:56.440 From a philosophical point of view, transition is a strange 1:35:56.520 --> 1:36:01.720 and paradoxical thing. It's both catastrophists optimistic, that is to say, 1:36:01.760 --> 1:36:05.240 both lucid and pragmatic. Lucid because the people involved in 1:36:05.280 --> 1:36:08.640 these movements are not in denial about catastrophes. Most of 1:36:08.680 --> 1:36:10.639 them have given up the myth of eating out growth 1:36:10.920 --> 1:36:13.240 as well as the myth of the apocalypse. They know 1:36:13.400 --> 1:36:16.240 and believe in what awaits us, and generally receptive to 1:36:16.320 --> 1:36:19.599 catastrophistic language because they already are committed to this search 1:36:19.680 --> 1:36:24.960 for real alternatives. Pragmatic because catastrophists political thinking. It's not 1:36:24.960 --> 1:36:27.960 apocalyptic in nature. It's not claim to worried about the 1:36:28.000 --> 1:36:30.400 end of the world, but more precisely about a sudden 1:36:30.439 --> 1:36:35.479 and potentially traumatic reorganization of ecosystems and societies. Neither business 1:36:35.520 --> 1:36:38.160 as usual nor the end of the world, just a 1:36:38.200 --> 1:36:42.320 world to invent together here and now and good. The 1:36:42.320 --> 1:36:46.120 transition movement is vitally rooted in imagination, and I've spoken 1:36:46.160 --> 1:36:49.320 about the vitality of imagination in the past. In fact, 1:36:49.360 --> 1:36:52.160 my video on the subject was partially inspired by Rob 1:36:52.200 --> 1:36:55.719 Hopkins's book, From What Is to What If You imagine? 1:36:55.840 --> 1:36:57.800 You sketch out the details, and you roll up your 1:36:57.800 --> 1:37:00.960 sleeves and you make it real. The development of the 1:37:00.960 --> 1:37:06.040 Transition Networks project, Rob Hopkins, along with others, published the 1:37:06.080 --> 1:37:11.080 Transition Handbook, which is structured in three parts. Versus the head, 1:37:11.120 --> 1:37:13.360 which are the facts of the situation. Then you have 1:37:13.400 --> 1:37:16.400 the heart, which are the emotional consequences and desire futures. 1:37:16.680 --> 1:37:18.559 And then you have the hands, which is how you 1:37:18.600 --> 1:37:21.920 get from imagination to action. I just thought that was 1:37:21.960 --> 1:37:25.280 a really great approach, even though the Handbook is dated 1:37:25.320 --> 1:37:29.280 in some ways. Of course, guiding people through the process 1:37:29.280 --> 1:37:32.320 of even accepting transition and getting them on the outer 1:37:32.479 --> 1:37:35.760 path works well on the small and personal scale, but 1:37:35.800 --> 1:37:39.320 there is a challenge of scale. Savine and Steven's point 1:37:39.320 --> 1:37:42.000 out that you can't exactly announce on a large platform 1:37:42.439 --> 1:37:44.679 listen up, everybody, prepare for the end of the world. 1:37:45.360 --> 1:37:45.880 As you can. 1:37:45.840 --> 1:37:49.840 Imagine, it ends up being a self fulfilling prophecy. It's 1:37:49.920 --> 1:37:51.920 kind of like telling people not to rush out and 1:37:52.000 --> 1:37:59.479 buy upol the toilet. People transition on larger scales is 1:37:59.600 --> 1:38:02.160 differult not to say it's not difficult to build the 1:38:02.200 --> 1:38:06.200 local communities resilience from disruptions in food, energy, climate, et cetera, 1:38:07.000 --> 1:38:10.160 but on the macro scale is even more difficult. At 1:38:10.200 --> 1:38:12.799 least if you're determined to take on a top down approach. 1:38:14.040 --> 1:38:17.320 You get what I'm saying is because this isn't exactly 1:38:17.400 --> 1:38:21.679 a problem that rulers are capable of solving. The debt 1:38:21.760 --> 1:38:24.400 system is not going to go away by decree. The 1:38:24.520 --> 1:38:28.360 energy system that fills their coffers won't shift until it 1:38:28.400 --> 1:38:33.360 profits them either. And in seeing like a States, the 1:38:33.360 --> 1:38:37.439 anthropologist James Scott spends a lot of time discussing just 1:38:37.520 --> 1:38:40.519 how that top down perspective of the world is inherently 1:38:40.600 --> 1:38:49.400 limited and incapable of effecting those sorts of changes. But 1:38:49.520 --> 1:38:53.599 thankfully the people able to act where rulers won't. As 1:38:53.720 --> 1:38:56.840 being the Stevens put it, transitioners to that wait for governments. 1:38:57.280 --> 1:39:00.000 They already invent in ways of living through this collect 1:39:00.320 --> 1:39:03.240 through this collapse in a non tragic way. They are 1:39:03.240 --> 1:39:07.280 not waiting for the worst, but building for the best. Ultimately, 1:39:07.520 --> 1:39:09.200 I'm trying to get on the level of the Transition 1:39:09.280 --> 1:39:12.000 Town realists on the outs of path that are building networks, 1:39:12.000 --> 1:39:16.320 building community, and building sustainability. Highly suggests that if you're 1:39:16.320 --> 1:39:19.519 looking for ways to help out in your local situation, 1:39:20.760 --> 1:39:23.479 check out the Transition Town network and see how you 1:39:23.520 --> 1:39:26.280 can tap in or start your own initiative and your 1:39:26.320 --> 1:39:30.320 own area. That's all I have for now or power 1:39:30.360 --> 1:39:32.960 to all the people. This is it could happen here. 1:39:33.680 --> 1:39:39.080 I am Andrew, This is Garason, Peace. 1:39:53.520 --> 1:39:56.400 Hello, this is it could happen here, and I am 1:39:56.479 --> 1:39:59.519 sureen Today we have an update for you about what 1:39:59.560 --> 1:40:03.160 has happened in Palestine. There is a lot that is 1:40:03.200 --> 1:40:06.360 happening in Palestine, way way too much to cover in 1:40:06.400 --> 1:40:09.599 a single podcast episode, but I hope this at least 1:40:09.640 --> 1:40:12.280 gives you a general idea of where we currently stand, 1:40:13.240 --> 1:40:16.919 just for clarity and context. I am recording this on Tuesday, 1:40:16.960 --> 1:40:21.960 March twelfth, so any numbers I mention, unfortunately and probably 1:40:22.080 --> 1:40:25.760 are different now at this point, there have been over 1:40:25.840 --> 1:40:29.719 five months of bombardment and genocide, and this has caused 1:40:29.720 --> 1:40:33.439 a humanitarian crisis in Gaza, with children starving to death 1:40:33.560 --> 1:40:38.080 due to malnutrition and dehydration. As Israel has imposed restrictions 1:40:38.080 --> 1:40:41.760 on aid deliveries to Gaza, five months of genocide on 1:40:41.840 --> 1:40:43.840 top of more than a decade and a half of 1:40:43.880 --> 1:40:47.839 blockade have caused relentless mental harm to children in Gaza. 1:40:48.160 --> 1:40:51.400 According to our report released by Save the Children on Tuesday, 1:40:52.360 --> 1:40:56.040 twenty five Palestinians and Graza, including out least twenty children 1:40:56.120 --> 1:40:59.160 and a two month old baby, have died of malnutrition 1:40:59.240 --> 1:41:03.559 and dehydration. According to the Palestinian Ministry of Health, the 1:41:03.640 --> 1:41:06.519 true death toll due to starvation is feared to be 1:41:06.640 --> 1:41:11.360 much higher as many Palestinians, particularly in northern Gaza, face 1:41:11.439 --> 1:41:14.640 famine and are almost entirely cut off from the severely 1:41:14.760 --> 1:41:18.519 limited humanitarian aid which is entering Gaza through the southern 1:41:18.680 --> 1:41:23.040 Rapah crossing. Many Israelis have also been blocking aid from 1:41:23.200 --> 1:41:27.200 entering Gaza. A group of Israeli protesters have been blocking 1:41:27.280 --> 1:41:30.519 aid trucks from crossing into the Gaza Strip for weeks now, 1:41:30.960 --> 1:41:34.320 vowing that quote not a single loaf of bread should 1:41:34.400 --> 1:41:36.960 reach those trapped in the tiny region of the Gaza 1:41:37.040 --> 1:41:41.879 strip until all remaining hostages are released. The area around 1:41:42.000 --> 1:41:45.880 Karam Shalom, which is Israel's only functioning border crossing with Gaza, 1:41:46.320 --> 1:41:49.559 is a closed military zone, but the IOF officers and 1:41:49.600 --> 1:41:53.240 their presence there hardly deters the dozens of protesters, who 1:41:53.240 --> 1:41:57.440 are mostly settlers, families of hostages, and deactivated military reservists. 1:41:57.840 --> 1:42:00.400 It does not deter them from trekking through the area 1:42:00.439 --> 1:42:03.200 and protesting in an attempt to slow AID trucks from 1:42:03.320 --> 1:42:07.639 entering Razza. I'm noticing right now that I'm interchangeably using 1:42:08.080 --> 1:42:11.679 Gaza and Razza. Raza's just how you say in Arabic. 1:42:12.000 --> 1:42:17.679 U sofoye if I jump around my apologies on the ground, 1:42:17.760 --> 1:42:22.160 CNN recorded an interview with protester w Sharon. She pointed 1:42:22.160 --> 1:42:25.599 to an AID truck convoy and said, this arrives into 1:42:25.600 --> 1:42:29.240 the tunnels of Hamas, fighting us and holding our hostages. 1:42:31.240 --> 1:42:34.000 There is no evidence that the majority of AID, including 1:42:34.040 --> 1:42:38.280 food and medical supplies, is going to Hamas. Sharon and 1:42:38.320 --> 1:42:42.320 her fellow protesters are demanding that AIDS stop entering Gaza, 1:42:42.600 --> 1:42:46.439 where over thirty thousand people have now been killed, according 1:42:46.439 --> 1:42:49.400 to the Palestinian Ministry of Health, with people at an 1:42:49.400 --> 1:42:54.320 increasing risk of starvation. Another protester named Katya said they 1:42:54.360 --> 1:42:57.760 should only get the minimum calories to survive if they 1:42:57.800 --> 1:43:00.880 are starving to death, give the hostages back. Not a 1:43:00.920 --> 1:43:04.000 single loaf of bread should go there till our hostages 1:43:04.040 --> 1:43:07.960 are coming back. When questioned about the scale of human 1:43:08.000 --> 1:43:13.280 suffering in Gaza, Katya seemed unmoved. She said, even if 1:43:13.320 --> 1:43:16.760 there is a humanitarian crisis, and there is not, it 1:43:16.840 --> 1:43:19.679 is my right and my duty to prioritize the Kiffeta 1:43:19.720 --> 1:43:24.360 Bibas over any Gazan babies. Kiffitabebas is a one year 1:43:24.360 --> 1:43:28.439 old who is being held hostage along with the baby's parents, 1:43:29.160 --> 1:43:33.080 So that's what she's referring to, prioritizing Israeli babies over 1:43:33.479 --> 1:43:39.560 Palestinian babies. Very little AID has made it into Palestine, 1:43:39.960 --> 1:43:43.280 and perhaps nothing captures what the US and Israel actually are. 1:43:43.720 --> 1:43:45.760 Then a picture that has been making the rounds on 1:43:45.800 --> 1:43:49.879 social media recently. It's a photograph showing US AID drops 1:43:50.000 --> 1:43:54.280 and Israeli airstrikes targeting civilian areas in northern Gaza, happening 1:43:54.320 --> 1:43:57.840 at the same time. Falling on the rubble of destroyed buildings. 1:43:58.840 --> 1:44:02.439 The AID and to the airstrikes dropping at the same 1:44:02.600 --> 1:44:07.439 moment is dystopian and beyond fucked up. Since October seventh, 1:44:07.479 --> 1:44:11.080 Israel has also shut off entry of food, water, and medicine, 1:44:11.120 --> 1:44:14.759 as well as other supplies from entering Gaza, only allowing 1:44:14.800 --> 1:44:17.759 a trickle of AID trucks through two crossings in the south. 1:44:18.400 --> 1:44:21.479 Israel has blamed the starvation that Palestinians are enduring in 1:44:21.560 --> 1:44:25.240 Gaza on UN agencies, saying that they fail to distribute 1:44:25.240 --> 1:44:29.880 supplies piling up at Gaza crossings. The UNRWA, which is 1:44:29.880 --> 1:44:34.040 the largest UN agency in Gaza, says Israel restricts goods 1:44:34.080 --> 1:44:38.280 and imposes cumbersome inspections that slow entry of aid. Also, 1:44:38.479 --> 1:44:42.559 distribution within Gaza has been crippled. UN officials say. They 1:44:42.600 --> 1:44:45.960 say that convoys regularly are turned back by Israeli forces 1:44:46.320 --> 1:44:49.879 and that the military often refuses safe passage amid fighting, 1:44:50.240 --> 1:44:52.040 and that the aid does not get to the people 1:44:52.080 --> 1:44:55.040 that need it the most, often being grabbed from trucks 1:44:55.080 --> 1:44:57.920 by hungry Palestinians en route to the drop off points. 1:44:58.800 --> 1:45:01.120 Recent air drops of AI by the US and other 1:45:01.160 --> 1:45:05.000 countries provide far lower amounts of aid than truck deliveries, 1:45:05.160 --> 1:45:09.440 which have become increasingly more rare, and they're also sometimes dangerous. 1:45:10.240 --> 1:45:13.720 The UNRWA says that Israeli authorities haven't allowed it to 1:45:13.720 --> 1:45:17.360 deliver supplies to the north of Gaza since January twenty third. 1:45:18.320 --> 1:45:21.320 The World Food Organization, which had paused deliveries because of 1:45:21.360 --> 1:45:25.200 safety concerns, said the military forced its first convoy to 1:45:25.200 --> 1:45:28.120 the north in two weeks to turn back on Tuesday. 1:45:29.800 --> 1:45:32.439 Jarine from the Future is here just for this quick update. 1:45:33.120 --> 1:45:37.360 Yesterday Wednesday, Israeli forces hit a food distribution center and 1:45:37.439 --> 1:45:41.479 aid's center in Rapha. The UNRWA said that one of 1:45:41.479 --> 1:45:44.200 their staff members were killed and twenty two others were injured, 1:45:44.240 --> 1:45:46.400 and it said up to sixty people were believed to 1:45:46.400 --> 1:45:49.960 have been working there when it was hit. Those killed 1:45:49.960 --> 1:45:51.840 were said to be a fifteen year old boy and 1:45:51.960 --> 1:45:54.679 four men who were between twenty seven and fifty years old. 1:45:55.280 --> 1:45:59.759 Rafa resident Sami Abu Salim said it's a UNRWA center 1:46:00.160 --> 1:46:04.080 expected to be secure. Some came to work to distribute 1:46:04.120 --> 1:46:06.240 aid to the people in need of food during the 1:46:06.240 --> 1:46:10.080 holy month of Ramadan. Suddenly they were struck by two missiles. 1:46:11.520 --> 1:46:16.080 The UNRWA chief Philippe Lazarini said in a statement that 1:46:16.160 --> 1:46:19.679 it was one of the very few UNWA distribution centers 1:46:19.680 --> 1:46:22.120 that was still operating in Gaza after these five months 1:46:22.160 --> 1:46:25.799 of genocide. He said, this attack comes as food supplies 1:46:25.840 --> 1:46:29.280 are running out, Hunger is widespread and in some areas 1:46:29.320 --> 1:46:33.439 turning into famine. Every day. We share the coordinates of 1:46:33.479 --> 1:46:36.599 all of our facilities across the Gaza Strip with parties 1:46:36.600 --> 1:46:40.960 to the conflict. The Israeli Army received the coordinates, including 1:46:41.120 --> 1:46:45.559 this facility yesterday. Since October, the un r WA says 1:46:45.560 --> 1:46:47.960 at least one hundred and sixty five of its thirteen 1:46:48.000 --> 1:46:51.080 thousand employees in Gaza have been killed and that more 1:46:51.120 --> 1:46:53.840 than one hundred and fifty of its facilities have been 1:46:53.920 --> 1:46:58.599 hit by Israeli forces. Here are the latest casualty figures 1:46:58.680 --> 1:47:02.599 as of March thirteenth, at twelve forty pm in Gaza, 1:47:03.160 --> 1:47:06.200 there are at least thirty one thousand, two hundred and 1:47:06.240 --> 1:47:09.880 seventy two people who have been killed. Of those, there 1:47:09.880 --> 1:47:12.719 are twelve thousand and three hundred children who have been killed, 1:47:12.960 --> 1:47:15.200 as well as eight thousand, four hundred women who have 1:47:15.240 --> 1:47:18.479 been killed. There are more than seventy three thousand and 1:47:18.520 --> 1:47:22.439 twenty four people who have been injured, including eight thousand 1:47:22.560 --> 1:47:24.800 and six hundred and sixty three children who have been 1:47:24.840 --> 1:47:27.840 injured and six thousand, three hundred and twenty seven women 1:47:27.880 --> 1:47:31.200 who have been injured. There are more than eight thousand 1:47:31.200 --> 1:47:35.559 Palestinians who are missing in Gaza. The latest figures from 1:47:35.600 --> 1:47:38.479 the Palestinian Ministry of Health for the occupied West Bank 1:47:38.880 --> 1:47:42.200 is as follows. At least four hundred and thirty two 1:47:42.200 --> 1:47:45.439 people have been killed, including more than one hundred and 1:47:45.479 --> 1:47:50.280 fifteen children. There are more than four thousand, six hundred 1:47:50.320 --> 1:47:53.160 and fifty Palestinians who have been injured in the West Bank. 1:47:53.720 --> 1:47:56.919 In Israel, officials have revised the death toll from October 1:47:56.960 --> 1:48:00.000 seventh from one thousand, four hundred and five to one 1:48:00.000 --> 1:48:03.000 one thousand, one hundred and thirty nine. As far as 1:48:03.080 --> 1:48:05.559 the injured go, in Israel, there are at least eight thousand, 1:48:05.640 --> 1:48:08.960 seven hundred and thirty people who have been injured, according 1:48:09.000 --> 1:48:11.200 to the latest data from the UN's Office for the 1:48:11.240 --> 1:48:15.080 Coordination of Humanitarian Affairs, the World Health Organization, as well 1:48:15.080 --> 1:48:18.879 as the Palestinian government. As of February twenty five, Israeli 1:48:18.880 --> 1:48:22.800 attacks have damaged more than half of Gaza's homes, three 1:48:22.920 --> 1:48:26.959 hundred and sixty thousand residential units have been destroyed or damaged. 1:48:27.560 --> 1:48:30.960 There have been three hundred and ninety two educational facilities 1:48:30.960 --> 1:48:34.519 that have been destroyed, including all universities. Twelve out of 1:48:34.520 --> 1:48:38.479 the thirty five hospitals are partially functioning. One hundred and 1:48:38.479 --> 1:48:41.680 thirty two ground water wells have been damaged or destroyed. 1:48:42.400 --> 1:48:45.439 Two hundred and sixty seven places of worship have also 1:48:45.479 --> 1:48:51.680 been destroyed. I really want to emphasize how damaging starvation 1:48:52.000 --> 1:48:56.479 is and famine is. Starvation causes a long lasting damage 1:48:56.520 --> 1:48:59.720 to the body. Large numbers of people in Gaza are 1:48:59.760 --> 1:49:04.679 CCXI experiencing malnutrition. Studies of famines in other countries show 1:49:04.760 --> 1:49:08.240 that famines can have long lasting impacts on people's health 1:49:08.360 --> 1:49:12.400 and even that of their descendants. A new type of 1:49:12.520 --> 1:49:16.519 video has been circulating online from the Raza Strip, footage 1:49:16.560 --> 1:49:20.400 showing families baking quote unquote bread which is made from 1:49:20.439 --> 1:49:24.240 bird seed, eating weeds, and giving newborn babies dat to 1:49:24.280 --> 1:49:28.160 stuck on instead of milk. The Accountability Program director at 1:49:28.200 --> 1:49:32.840 Defense for Children International Palestine said it is unthinkable that 1:49:32.880 --> 1:49:35.960 in twenty twenty four, in a world that produces more 1:49:36.000 --> 1:49:39.559 than enough food for all people. That Palestinian children are 1:49:39.640 --> 1:49:43.599 starving to death. The starvation of children is a hallmark 1:49:43.640 --> 1:49:47.639 of jedocide and a deliberate political choice by Israel, backed 1:49:47.640 --> 1:49:51.479 by the Biden administration. It is complete madness that Israeli 1:49:51.520 --> 1:49:55.120 authorities continue to prohibit and restrict food and other life 1:49:55.200 --> 1:49:59.960 saving supplies to a starving population while the international community stands. 1:50:01.479 --> 1:50:05.559 Palestinians in Gaza started to experience chronic hunger within weeks 1:50:05.560 --> 1:50:09.280 of October seventh. At this point in time, Israeli strikes 1:50:09.280 --> 1:50:13.160 have killed more than thirty thousand Palestinians, and this is 1:50:13.160 --> 1:50:16.680 according to Gaza's Ministry of Health. The death tolls that 1:50:16.720 --> 1:50:19.599 come out of the Palestinian Ministry of Health. They account 1:50:19.600 --> 1:50:22.920 for Palestinians who die at hospitals or whose families report 1:50:22.960 --> 1:50:26.799 their deaths to the ministry. Due to the telecommunications blackout, 1:50:26.920 --> 1:50:30.240 the collapse of the medical system, Israeli ground invasion and 1:50:30.320 --> 1:50:34.600 continued Israeli aerial bombardment, many Palestinians are not able to 1:50:34.680 --> 1:50:38.320 reach hospitals and so this number is likely far far 1:50:38.320 --> 1:50:42.000 greater than it actually is. And as I mentioned, Israeli 1:50:42.040 --> 1:50:46.639 authorities have repeatedly blocked and severely restricted any humanitarian aid 1:50:46.720 --> 1:50:51.280 from entering Gaza. On Tuesday, Israeli forces attacked Palestinians who 1:50:51.280 --> 1:50:54.080 were waiting for aid trucks at the Kuwait roundabout south 1:50:54.080 --> 1:50:58.439 of Gaza City and they killed seven people. Keep in mind, 1:50:58.600 --> 1:51:01.719 this is after what has become known as the Flower Massacre. 1:51:02.439 --> 1:51:06.000 On February twenty ninth, the Israeli Occupation Forces aka the 1:51:06.040 --> 1:51:10.160 IOF killed at least one hundred and eighteen Palestinians who 1:51:10.160 --> 1:51:13.280 were attempting to get aid from a convoy in Gaza City. 1:51:14.200 --> 1:51:16.600 In this Flower massacre. Along with the one hundred and 1:51:16.600 --> 1:51:19.599 eighteen Palestinians who were shot and killed, at least seven 1:51:19.720 --> 1:51:23.559 hundred and fifty additional Palestinians were injured. They were just 1:51:23.680 --> 1:51:26.439 trying to get food from the aid trucks to feed 1:51:26.560 --> 1:51:30.400 their family. The United States recently delivered two air drops 1:51:30.400 --> 1:51:34.439 of aid alongside the Jordanian military into northern Gaza. The 1:51:34.479 --> 1:51:37.639 air drops contained a total of seventy four thousand, eight 1:51:37.720 --> 1:51:41.160 hundred meals, and this was widely criticized as a public 1:51:41.200 --> 1:51:45.120 relations move because the Biden administration is still clearly complicit 1:51:45.320 --> 1:51:51.600 in Israel's genocide of Palestinians. International criminal law prohibits serious atrocities, 1:51:51.680 --> 1:51:55.759 including core crimes of genocide, the crime of aggression, crimes 1:51:55.760 --> 1:51:59.880 against humanity, and war crimes, and provides for individual crime 1:52:00.280 --> 1:52:05.320 responsibility for perpetrators. The crime of genocide constitutes the deliberate 1:52:05.400 --> 1:52:08.280 killing of a large number of people from a particular 1:52:08.400 --> 1:52:11.400 nation or ethnic group with the aim of destroying that 1:52:11.479 --> 1:52:15.439 nation or group in whole or in part. Genocide can 1:52:15.520 --> 1:52:18.640 result from killing or by creating conditions of life that 1:52:18.680 --> 1:52:23.559 are so unbearable. Intentionally using starvation of civilians as a 1:52:23.600 --> 1:52:27.720 method of warfare is an underlying act of genocide and 1:52:27.760 --> 1:52:30.759 it amounts to a war crime. I've said this before 1:52:30.800 --> 1:52:33.240 on this podcast. I'll say it again, but at this 1:52:33.320 --> 1:52:37.120 point international law means nothing. I mean, it hasn't been 1:52:37.160 --> 1:52:40.000 anything for a long time. Nothing happens with Israel continues 1:52:40.040 --> 1:52:44.640 to break international law. So though that phrase is a 1:52:44.680 --> 1:52:46.840 little empty to me when they are in violation of 1:52:46.880 --> 1:52:51.080 international law, but here we are, and it should be 1:52:51.120 --> 1:52:54.800 noted that starvation of civilians also contributes and is an 1:52:54.840 --> 1:52:58.160 active genocide. I've talked about why this is genocide in 1:52:58.200 --> 1:53:01.400 other episodes, but it's clear act of genocide. What Israel 1:53:01.479 --> 1:53:06.960 is doing to Palestinians and many scholars agree with that. Anyway, 1:53:07.200 --> 1:53:11.160 let's continue. As weeks of blockades on food and other 1:53:11.240 --> 1:53:16.160 aid have turned into months, starvation has reached historic proportions. 1:53:16.800 --> 1:53:20.200 One recent report by the Global Nutrition Cluster, which is 1:53:20.240 --> 1:53:24.479 a United Nations Children's Fund, a UNISEF led partnership of 1:53:24.560 --> 1:53:28.800 humanitarian organizations, It found that in December of twenty twenty three, 1:53:29.120 --> 1:53:32.719 in January of twenty twenty four, nine and ten children 1:53:32.800 --> 1:53:35.760 under the age of two and more than nine and 1:53:35.880 --> 1:53:40.200 ten pregnant and breastfeeding women surveyed had consumed two or 1:53:40.280 --> 1:53:44.400 fewer food groups in the previous day. This situation is 1:53:44.439 --> 1:53:49.320 considered severe food poverty. Nearly two thirds of households were 1:53:49.320 --> 1:53:53.000 eating just once a day, if at all. In the 1:53:53.040 --> 1:53:56.439 northern Gaza Strip, one in six babies and toddlers were 1:53:56.479 --> 1:54:01.280 acutely malnourished. Aid organizations say that these numbers today are 1:54:01.479 --> 1:54:04.360 likely to be far, far worse, and that the rapid 1:54:04.400 --> 1:54:09.479 onset and complexity of Gaza's food crisis is unprecedented. Ted 1:54:09.600 --> 1:54:13.559 Chaiban is the Deputy Executive Director for Humanitarian Action and 1:54:13.640 --> 1:54:17.519 Supply Operations at UNICEF. He said in a recent statement 1:54:18.160 --> 1:54:21.640 the Gaza Strip is poised to witness and explosion in 1:54:21.720 --> 1:54:26.000 preventable child deaths. If the conflict does not end now, 1:54:26.400 --> 1:54:31.320 children's nutrition will continue to plummet, leading to preventable deaths 1:54:31.479 --> 1:54:34.480 or health issues which will affect the children of Gaza 1:54:34.560 --> 1:54:39.520 for the rest of their lives and have potential intergenerational consequences. 1:54:39.960 --> 1:54:42.760 There are nearly two point two million people living in 1:54:42.800 --> 1:54:46.560 the Gaza Strip, nearly half of whom are children. Nearly 1:54:46.600 --> 1:54:50.640 one hundred and sixty million other people worldwide are facing hunger, 1:54:51.000 --> 1:54:56.040 including millions of people in Somalia, Afghanistan and Sudan. The 1:54:56.120 --> 1:55:00.520 short term health consequences of food scarcity have been studied intensively. 1:55:01.320 --> 1:55:06.120 In children, an especially vulnerable group. Severe acute malnutrition can 1:55:06.200 --> 1:55:13.120 lead to muscle wasting, stunted growth, and medical complications including sepsis, meningitis, diarrhea, 1:55:13.240 --> 1:55:18.040 and severe anemia. Worldwide, nearly half of all deaths of 1:55:18.120 --> 1:55:21.880 children less than five years of age are linked to malnutrition. 1:55:22.880 --> 1:55:25.520 A growing body of research is finding that even if 1:55:25.520 --> 1:55:29.240 these children return to normal nutrition levels, a period of 1:55:29.280 --> 1:55:33.480 acute malnutrition can lead to long lasting damage later in life, 1:55:33.720 --> 1:55:37.360 and it may impact future generations. This is one of 1:55:37.480 --> 1:55:41.000 many examples of why Israel's genocide of the Palestinian people 1:55:41.480 --> 1:55:44.640 isn't just about death and the lives they've destroyed and 1:55:44.720 --> 1:55:49.400 the land that they've taken. Israel's genocide is also about 1:55:49.480 --> 1:55:54.520 robbing Palestinians of any livable future, affecting generations of Palestinians 1:55:54.520 --> 1:55:57.600 to come, and they've done this since nineteen forty eight. 1:55:58.480 --> 1:56:01.000 That's why it's no accident when children are targeted by 1:56:01.000 --> 1:56:04.920 the IOF, when they're starving or when they're shot. They 1:56:04.960 --> 1:56:07.760 are murdered as a way to prevent Palestinians from having 1:56:07.840 --> 1:56:11.520 a future or having any hope. We see how the 1:56:11.560 --> 1:56:15.640 IOF shoots children with the intention to kill. There are many, 1:56:15.960 --> 1:56:19.640 many examples of this, but here's a recent example. Two 1:56:19.800 --> 1:56:22.800 children were killed in November in the West Bank. Adam 1:56:22.920 --> 1:56:26.320 Samer Elrul, eight years old, was shot in the head. 1:56:27.360 --> 1:56:31.680 Bazdez uleemn Abu Edwafa, fifteen years old, was shot in 1:56:31.720 --> 1:56:37.160 the chest. These children were both murdered and shot with 1:56:37.200 --> 1:56:41.360 the intention to kill. The Israeli military and border police 1:56:41.360 --> 1:56:45.120 forces have been killing Palestinian children with virtually no recourse 1:56:45.160 --> 1:56:49.920 for accountability for decades. Back in August of twenty twenty three, 1:56:50.320 --> 1:56:54.800 well before October seventh of twenty twenty three, Bill van Esfeld, 1:56:54.920 --> 1:56:58.400 who was the Associate Children's Rights director at Human Rights Watch, 1:56:58.600 --> 1:57:03.440 said Israeli forces are gunning down Palestinian children living under 1:57:03.480 --> 1:57:10.040 occupation with increasing frequency. Unless Israel's allies, particularly the United States, 1:57:10.400 --> 1:57:15.200 pressure israel to change course, more Palestinian children will be killed. 1:57:16.040 --> 1:57:20.120 And that is exactly what has been happening. Many, many 1:57:20.160 --> 1:57:25.000 more Palestinian children have been killed, all preventable. Human Rights 1:57:25.000 --> 1:57:29.320 Watch researchers and documenting four killings that happened interviewed in 1:57:29.400 --> 1:57:34.240 person seven witnesses, nine family members and other residents, lawyers, doctors, 1:57:34.280 --> 1:57:38.000 staff and field workers at Palestinian and Israeli rights groups, 1:57:38.240 --> 1:57:41.240 as well as reviews CCTV footage and videos that were 1:57:41.240 --> 1:57:44.200 posted on social media, as well as statements by Israeli 1:57:44.240 --> 1:57:48.920 security agencies, medical records, and news reports. In all cases 1:57:48.960 --> 1:57:53.560 that they researched, Israeli forces shot the children's upper bodies without, 1:57:53.680 --> 1:57:57.760 according to witnesses, issuing warnings or using common less lethal 1:57:57.840 --> 1:58:02.080 measures like tear gas, concussion grenades, or rubber coated bullets. 1:58:02.640 --> 1:58:05.400 I also want to draw attention to how this genocide 1:58:05.440 --> 1:58:08.720 is also a mass disabling event that will harm an 1:58:08.880 --> 1:58:12.200 entire generation and make them reliant on infrastructure that does 1:58:12.240 --> 1:58:16.680 not physically exist. More than ten children a day lose 1:58:16.720 --> 1:58:19.000 a limb in Gaza, and this is from the source. 1:58:19.000 --> 1:58:23.280 To save the children. At least seventeen thousand children, which 1:58:23.320 --> 1:58:26.400 is one percent of Gaza's overall displaced population of one 1:58:26.440 --> 1:58:29.760 point seven million, have now been orphaned in the Gaza 1:58:29.800 --> 1:58:33.120 strip and the number of children who have been killed 1:58:33.160 --> 1:58:37.560 in Gaza. This number is now reaching thirteen thousand children. 1:58:38.760 --> 1:58:41.960 The number of children reported killed in just four months 1:58:41.960 --> 1:58:45.040 in Gaza is higher than the number of children killed 1:58:45.280 --> 1:58:50.480 in four years of war around the world combined. Let's 1:58:50.520 --> 1:59:05.240 take an ad break and we'll be right back, and 1:59:05.520 --> 1:59:08.960 we are back. In the twenty four hours between Sunday, 1:59:09.040 --> 1:59:12.760 March tenth and Monday, March eleventh, during which the vast 1:59:12.800 --> 1:59:16.560 majority of Americans were busy watching the stupid fucking oscars, 1:59:17.080 --> 1:59:21.360 seven massacres were committed by Israeli occupation forces against families 1:59:21.360 --> 1:59:25.840 in Laza, killing sixty seven Palestinians and injuring one hundred 1:59:25.880 --> 1:59:29.840 and six others. This happened as people were distracted by 1:59:29.880 --> 1:59:35.680 watching this dumb display of nothing. Palestinians are continuing to 1:59:35.720 --> 1:59:40.000 be murdered. And as for where things currently stand right now, 1:59:40.360 --> 1:59:43.520 there are more than one point seven million civilians who 1:59:43.560 --> 1:59:46.480 are trapped in the Dephah, which is Gaza's last place 1:59:46.520 --> 1:59:49.400 of refuge. It's right on the south, on the southern border. 1:59:49.880 --> 1:59:53.160 And this is after Israel kept telling Palestinians to go 1:59:53.280 --> 1:59:56.160 south because of these quote unquote safe zones that were 1:59:56.200 --> 1:59:59.800 clearly not safe at all. A massacre is happening in 1:59:59.800 --> 2:00:03.320 the right now, and the world is silent, and to 2:00:03.360 --> 2:00:05.800 make matters worse, not that they can get any worse. 2:00:06.120 --> 2:00:09.320 Israeli Prime Ministers Benjamin n Yahoo says that he intends 2:00:09.400 --> 2:00:12.560 to press ahead with the invasion of the city of Raphach. 2:00:13.200 --> 2:00:16.640 Joe Biden useless warned that the offensive would be a 2:00:16.720 --> 2:00:20.680 quote red line. But as we know, a slap on 2:00:20.720 --> 2:00:23.959 the wrist for Israel means absolutely nothing, and they continue 2:00:24.000 --> 2:00:27.720 to act with impunity, without any repercussions. When asked on 2:00:27.800 --> 2:00:31.919 Sunday whether Israeli forces would move into Raa, Nan Yahu replied, 2:00:32.280 --> 2:00:35.080 we'll go there. We're not going to leave them. You know, 2:00:35.440 --> 2:00:37.440 I have a red line, and you know what the 2:00:37.480 --> 2:00:40.480 red line is that October seven does not happen again. 2:00:40.640 --> 2:00:44.120 It never happens again. He also dismissed the idea of 2:00:44.160 --> 2:00:47.720 a ceasefire for Ramadan, saying that he would like to 2:00:47.760 --> 2:00:51.080 see another hostage release because without a release, there's not 2:00:51.120 --> 2:00:53.120 going to be a pause in the fighting. And he 2:00:53.160 --> 2:00:56.480 also doubled down on his rejection of the possibility of 2:00:56.520 --> 2:01:00.960 a Palestinian state. He says, the positions that as bows 2:01:01.000 --> 2:01:04.160 are supported by the overwhelming majority of Israelis who say 2:01:04.200 --> 2:01:07.240 to you, after October seventh, we don't want to see 2:01:07.280 --> 2:01:11.640 a Palestinian state. The Israeli people also support my position 2:01:12.040 --> 2:01:14.920 that says that we should resoundingly reject the attempt to 2:01:15.040 --> 2:01:18.440 ram down our throats of Palestinian state. That is something 2:01:18.600 --> 2:01:23.000 they agree on. The evening of Sunday, March tenth was 2:01:23.080 --> 2:01:26.280 also the first day of the holy Muslim month of Ramadan. 2:01:27.200 --> 2:01:30.120 Tarik Ahmad, who is the UK Minister of the State 2:01:30.240 --> 2:01:33.120 responsible for relations to the Middle East, to North Africa 2:01:33.160 --> 2:01:36.560 and the UN, on Monday, he urged Israel to quote 2:01:36.640 --> 2:01:41.920 allow unhindered access to Jerusalem's holy sites during Ramadan. What 2:01:41.960 --> 2:01:45.240 has Israel done since then, you may ask, well, Israel 2:01:45.360 --> 2:01:49.040 has put up a barbed wire fence around the Uxamosque, 2:01:49.240 --> 2:01:53.480 something it hasn't done since nineteen sixty seven. Israel erected 2:01:53.600 --> 2:01:56.600 barbed wire on a fence around the Lions Gate area, 2:01:56.680 --> 2:02:01.920 adjacent to the Uzamosk complex and occupied Eastererusalem. The Jerusalem 2:02:01.920 --> 2:02:05.680 Governor's office itself said in a statement on Monday, this 2:02:05.920 --> 2:02:09.480 is a dangerous precedent that has never occurred since nineteen 2:02:09.520 --> 2:02:14.360 sixty seven. The Lions Gate, also known as Bab al Asabat, 2:02:14.760 --> 2:02:17.800 is located within Jerusalem's Old City and is one of 2:02:17.840 --> 2:02:22.280 the main gates leading to the Uxamosque. Israel clearly aims 2:02:22.360 --> 2:02:26.400 to prevent Palestinians from entering Uximosque during the holy month 2:02:26.440 --> 2:02:30.879 of Ramadan. Israeli forces have also imposed a strict siege 2:02:30.960 --> 2:02:34.840 on the Eluxamosque for the past five months, preventing entry 2:02:34.880 --> 2:02:39.480 into it. On Sunday night, Israeli forces prevented hundreds of 2:02:39.480 --> 2:02:43.160 Palestinians from entering the mosque to perform the Tearawekh, a 2:02:43.200 --> 2:02:46.360 special night of prayers during the holy month of Ramadan. 2:02:47.280 --> 2:02:50.360 They also beat a Palestinian man near Bab al Zehara, 2:02:50.720 --> 2:02:53.440 one of the gates leading to the mosque, before detaining 2:02:53.520 --> 2:02:58.880 him soldiers also reportedly detained an Eluximosque guard from the 2:02:58.880 --> 2:03:02.800 Old City of Jerusalem. Continuing along with the news from 2:03:02.880 --> 2:03:06.920 just this week, on Monday, Israeli forces arrested six Palestinian 2:03:06.960 --> 2:03:11.280 boys from the town of Sailla, northeast of occupied Jerusalem. 2:03:11.600 --> 2:03:14.840 Video footage showed a group of Israeli soldiers tying the 2:03:14.880 --> 2:03:19.000 Palestinians with a rope and dragging them in a humiliating 2:03:19.040 --> 2:03:23.440 manner through the streets of Essoella. You see this in 2:03:23.520 --> 2:03:28.040 this footage. They wrangle them and treat them like fucking cattle. 2:03:28.160 --> 2:03:32.120 Worse than fucking cattle. They're treated worse than animals. And 2:03:32.160 --> 2:03:35.640 the entire world is witnessing this. And what it's absolutely 2:03:35.640 --> 2:03:39.040 sickening to me is that so many Americans would probably 2:03:39.080 --> 2:03:42.320 care more about a dead dog than about a dead Palestinian. 2:03:42.960 --> 2:03:45.600 And if that sentence made you uncomfortable, well it's supposed to. 2:03:46.280 --> 2:03:49.600 Palestinians have not been treated or depicted as human for 2:03:49.640 --> 2:03:53.360 so long that it's just become normal. But it is 2:03:53.400 --> 2:03:57.200 not normal, and Palestinian life matters just as much as 2:03:57.240 --> 2:04:10.520 any other. I want to also take a moment to 2:04:10.520 --> 2:04:13.480 talk about what's happening in the West Bank. According to 2:04:13.480 --> 2:04:17.800 Amnesty International, Israeli forces have unleashed a brutal wave of 2:04:17.920 --> 2:04:21.080 violence against Palestinians and the occupied West Bank in the 2:04:21.120 --> 2:04:25.840 last five months, carrying out unlawful killings, including by using 2:04:25.880 --> 2:04:30.800 lethal force without necessity or disproportionately during protests and arrest raids, 2:04:31.080 --> 2:04:34.680 as well as denying medical assistance to those injured. The 2:04:34.800 --> 2:04:39.960 organization investigated four emblematic cases where Israeli forces used unlawful 2:04:40.160 --> 2:04:44.080 lethal force, three incidents in October and one in November, 2:04:44.400 --> 2:04:48.320 which resulted in the unlawful killing of twenty Palestinians, including 2:04:48.400 --> 2:04:54.280 seven children. Researchers remotely interviewed twelve people, ten of them eyewitnesses, 2:04:54.480 --> 2:04:59.320 including first responders and local residents. The organization's Crisis Evidence 2:04:59.400 --> 2:05:03.880 Lab verified nineteen videos and four photos in examining these 2:05:03.920 --> 2:05:10.480 four incidents. Amnesty International's research also found that Israeli forces 2:05:10.600 --> 2:05:14.480 obstructed medical assistance to people with life threatening wounds, as 2:05:14.480 --> 2:05:19.280 well as attacked those attempting to assist injured Palestinians, including paramedics. 2:05:20.200 --> 2:05:24.320 Since October seventh, Israeli forces have stepped up raids, carrying 2:05:24.360 --> 2:05:27.600 them out almost daily across the occupied West Bank and 2:05:27.680 --> 2:05:32.000 what it describes as search and arrest operations. In one 2:05:32.120 --> 2:05:35.760 recent incident that you may have seen online, Israeli forces 2:05:35.840 --> 2:05:41.120 carried out arraid masquerading as medical staff. In twenty twenty three, 2:05:41.480 --> 2:05:44.680 at least five hundred and seven Palestinians were killed in 2:05:44.720 --> 2:05:48.720 the West Bank, including eighty one children, making it the 2:05:48.760 --> 2:05:52.360 deadliest year for Palestinians since the United Nations Office for 2:05:52.440 --> 2:05:56.760 the Coordination of Humanitarian Affairs began recording casualties in two 2:05:56.760 --> 2:06:03.040 thousand five. Erica Guavera Rosas, Amnesty International Director of Global Research, 2:06:03.320 --> 2:06:07.680 Advocacy and Policy, said under the cover of the relentless 2:06:07.680 --> 2:06:12.520 bombardment and atrocity crimes in Gaza, Israeli forces have unleashed 2:06:12.800 --> 2:06:16.600 unlawful lethal force against Palestinians in the occupied West Bank, 2:06:16.920 --> 2:06:20.840 carrying out unlawful killings and displaying a chilling disregard for 2:06:20.920 --> 2:06:25.720 Palestinian lives. These unlawful killings are a blatant violation of 2:06:25.760 --> 2:06:30.160 international human rights law and are committed with impunity in 2:06:30.240 --> 2:06:35.360 the context of maintaining Israel's institutionalized regime of systematic oppression 2:06:35.520 --> 2:06:42.520 and domination over Palestinians. These cases provide shocking evidence of 2:06:42.560 --> 2:06:46.400 the deadly consequences of Israel's unlawful use of force against 2:06:46.400 --> 2:06:51.040 Palestinians in the West Bank. Israeli authorities, including the Israeli 2:06:51.160 --> 2:06:55.440 judicial system, have proven shamefully unwilling to ensure justice for 2:06:55.520 --> 2:07:00.400 Palestinian victims. In this climate of near total impunity, an 2:07:00.440 --> 2:07:05.320 international justice system worth its salt must step in. The 2:07:05.360 --> 2:07:09.160 Prosecutor of the International Criminal Court must investigate these killings 2:07:09.200 --> 2:07:12.720 and injuries as possible war crimes of wilful killing and 2:07:12.760 --> 2:07:17.440 wilfully causing great suffering or serious injury. The situation in 2:07:17.520 --> 2:07:21.400 Palestine and Israel is a litmus test for the legitimacy 2:07:21.600 --> 2:07:25.280 and reputation of the Court. It cannot afford to fail it. 2:07:26.200 --> 2:07:30.160 Since October seventh, across the West Bank, Israeli security forces 2:07:30.320 --> 2:07:34.560 use of unlawful force during law enforcement operations has been unrelenting, 2:07:35.000 --> 2:07:39.600 sowing fear and intimidation among entire communities. It has also 2:07:39.720 --> 2:07:43.840 been used to disperse rallies and protests held in solidarity 2:07:43.840 --> 2:07:48.080 with Gaza and demanding the release of Palestinian prisoners and detainees. 2:07:49.040 --> 2:07:52.520 Between October seventh and December thirty one of twenty twenty three, 2:07:53.040 --> 2:07:57.040 two hundred and ninety nine Palestinians were killed, marking a 2:07:57.120 --> 2:08:00.480 fifty percent increase compared to the first nine months of 2:08:00.520 --> 2:08:04.919 the year. At least sixty one to more Palestinians, including 2:08:05.040 --> 2:08:08.320 thirteen children, have been killed so far in twenty twenty 2:08:08.400 --> 2:08:11.200 four as of the end of January, according to the 2:08:11.280 --> 2:08:15.360 numbers reported by OCHA. Israel has a well documented track 2:08:15.400 --> 2:08:18.960 record of using excessive and often lethal force to stifle 2:08:19.000 --> 2:08:23.520 descent and enforce its system of apartheid against Palestinians, leading 2:08:23.560 --> 2:08:27.560 to a historic pattern of unlawful killings committed with impunity. 2:08:28.600 --> 2:08:33.440 In one illustrative case investigated by Amnesty International, Israeli military 2:08:33.480 --> 2:08:37.280 and border police forces use excessive force during a thirty 2:08:37.400 --> 2:08:41.880 hour long raid on nous Chem's refugee camp on October nineteenth. 2:08:42.680 --> 2:08:48.280 During the operation, Israeli forces killed thirteen Palestinians, including six children, 2:08:48.680 --> 2:08:51.640 four of them under the age of sixteen, as well 2:08:51.680 --> 2:08:56.200 as arrested fifteen people. Israeli military sources quoted in media 2:08:56.280 --> 2:08:59.600 reports said that one Israeli border police officer was killed 2:08:59.760 --> 2:09:02.760 and n and nine were injured after an improvised explosive 2:09:02.800 --> 2:09:06.960 device was thrown at them by Palestinians. Residents told Amnesty 2:09:07.040 --> 2:09:11.240 International that During the operation, Israeli soldiers stormed more than 2:09:11.320 --> 2:09:15.840 forty residential homes, destroying personal belongings and drilling holes in 2:09:15.920 --> 2:09:20.440 the walls for sniper outposts. Water and electricity to the 2:09:20.480 --> 2:09:24.120 camp was cut off, and soldiers used bulldozers to destroy 2:09:24.200 --> 2:09:29.440 public roads, electricity networks, and water infrastructure. Among those killed 2:09:29.520 --> 2:09:33.760 during the October nineteenth raid was fifteen year old Taha Muhammad, 2:09:34.240 --> 2:09:36.640 who was Raeli forces shot dead in front of his 2:09:36.720 --> 2:09:39.640 house when he came out to check whether Israeli forces 2:09:39.680 --> 2:09:43.760 had left the area. Taha was unarmed and posed no 2:09:43.920 --> 2:09:46.120 threat to the soldiers at the time he was shot, 2:09:46.560 --> 2:09:49.280 and this is based on eyewitness testimony and videos that 2:09:49.360 --> 2:09:53.280 were reviewed by Amnesty International. A video filmed by one 2:09:53.320 --> 2:09:56.840 of his sisters and verified by Amnesty's Crisis Evidence Lab 2:09:57.240 --> 2:10:00.320 chose Taha walking on the street, peaking to ch for 2:10:00.360 --> 2:10:03.160 the presence of soldiers, and then collapsing on the street 2:10:03.160 --> 2:10:06.480 outside of his house after the sound of three gunshots. 2:10:07.480 --> 2:10:11.880 Fatima Taha's sister told Amnesty International they did not give 2:10:11.960 --> 2:10:14.800 him a chance. They did not give him a chance. 2:10:15.320 --> 2:10:18.840 In an instant, my brother was eliminated. Three bullets were 2:10:18.880 --> 2:10:22.120 fired without any mercy. The first bullet hit him in 2:10:22.160 --> 2:10:26.120 the leg, the second in his stomach, the third in 2:10:26.240 --> 2:10:30.600 his eye. There were no confrontations, there was no conflict. 2:10:31.400 --> 2:10:36.200 An eyewitness told Amnesty International that when Toha's father, Ibrahim Mohammad, 2:10:36.640 --> 2:10:39.960 then attempted to carry his injured son to safety, Israeli 2:10:40.000 --> 2:10:43.720 forces shot him in the back. A verified video filmed 2:10:43.720 --> 2:10:47.320 by one of Taha's sisters immediately after the shooting chose 2:10:47.360 --> 2:10:50.440 Taha's father lying on the ground next to him before 2:10:50.560 --> 2:10:54.840 limping away. My father raised his hands, showing the soldiers 2:10:54.880 --> 2:10:57.440 that he had nothing in them. He just wanted to 2:10:57.480 --> 2:11:00.680 take his son. They shot him with one bulle and 2:11:00.760 --> 2:11:03.320 my father fell next to Taha. I want to mention 2:11:03.360 --> 2:11:06.000 that one example, but many, many more have happened since 2:11:06.040 --> 2:11:10.160 then and before then. Protests and solidarity with Palestinians and 2:11:10.240 --> 2:11:13.400 Razza have been held frequently across the occupied West Bank 2:11:13.520 --> 2:11:17.919 since October seventh. Some protesters have been seen throwing stones 2:11:18.000 --> 2:11:21.040 in response to the presence or forceful intervention of the 2:11:21.080 --> 2:11:25.680 Israeli forces. The iof's use of lethal force in response 2:11:25.760 --> 2:11:28.880 to rock throwing is not new, even if the rock 2:11:28.920 --> 2:11:33.080 throwing is done by children. In theory, lethal force and 2:11:33.160 --> 2:11:35.640 law enforcement can only be used when there is an 2:11:35.640 --> 2:11:39.280 eminent threat to life. Its use is not a proportionate 2:11:39.320 --> 2:11:44.120 response to stone throwing. In another egregious case that happened 2:11:44.120 --> 2:11:48.760 on October thirteenth in Tokudam, two eyewitnesses described to Amnesty 2:11:48.800 --> 2:11:52.520 International how Israeli forces stationed at a military watch tower 2:11:53.120 --> 2:11:55.080 both at one of the main entrances to the town, 2:11:55.280 --> 2:11:57.360 as well as on the roof of a nearby home, 2:11:57.800 --> 2:12:00.200 and then they opened fire on a crowd about leekast 2:12:00.280 --> 2:12:05.240 eighty unarmed Palestinians who were peacefully demonstrating in solidarity with Gaza. 2:12:05.880 --> 2:12:08.800 Two journalists who were at the scene separately told Amnesty 2:12:08.880 --> 2:12:12.480 International that they saw Israeli forces firing two tear gas 2:12:12.560 --> 2:12:16.200 canisters at the crowd and shortly afterwards opening live fire 2:12:16.240 --> 2:12:19.840 at them without any warning shots. The two journalists saw 2:12:19.880 --> 2:12:22.680 four people being shot and injured as they tried to 2:12:22.760 --> 2:12:23.839 run away from the shooting. 2:12:24.560 --> 2:12:25.480 A few minutes. 2:12:25.280 --> 2:12:28.480 Later, Israeli forces then opened fire in the direction of 2:12:28.520 --> 2:12:31.760 the journalists, even though they were both wearing vests clearly 2:12:31.800 --> 2:12:35.160 marked as press. They hid behind a wall along with 2:12:35.240 --> 2:12:37.960 three children and had to remain there for about two 2:12:38.000 --> 2:12:43.640 hours as the operation continued. During this time, they also 2:12:43.680 --> 2:12:46.440 witnessed a Palestinian man who was riding past them on 2:12:46.480 --> 2:12:49.720 a bike being shot by an Israeli soldier. One of 2:12:49.720 --> 2:12:52.920 the journalists also saw another demonstrator being shot in the head. 2:12:53.480 --> 2:12:56.400 She described how the victim was suddenly shot and fell 2:12:56.440 --> 2:13:00.520 to the ground. The obstruction of medical assistants by Israeli 2:13:00.520 --> 2:13:05.240 forces during operations like this across Palestine is unfortunately a 2:13:05.320 --> 2:13:10.120 routine practice an Amnesty International has documented this for years, 2:13:10.160 --> 2:13:14.480 saying it is a part of israel system of apartheid. 2:13:14.840 --> 2:13:19.160 Under international law, Israeli forces have an obligation to ensure 2:13:19.320 --> 2:13:23.400 anyone injured by their forces is able to access medical treatment. 2:13:24.440 --> 2:13:29.320 Amnesty International investigated five occasions where the Israeli forces hindered 2:13:29.440 --> 2:13:33.080 or prevented those who were seriously injured in demonstrations and 2:13:33.200 --> 2:13:38.000 raids from receiving critical medical assistance. They also shot at 2:13:38.040 --> 2:13:41.400 Palestinians trying to help, including medics tending to the wounded. 2:13:42.200 --> 2:13:45.800 During the raid I mentioned earlier on Nouschem's on October nineteenth, 2:13:46.120 --> 2:13:50.040 three eyewitnesses, including a paramedic on the scene, said two 2:13:50.080 --> 2:13:53.160 ambulances were stopped at the entrance of the camp and 2:13:53.240 --> 2:13:57.160 prevented from reaching the injured. The witnesses said the residents 2:13:57.200 --> 2:14:00.160 were forced to transport the wounded to a hospital in 2:14:00.200 --> 2:14:04.960 private cars. Since October seventh, according to the UN, more 2:14:05.000 --> 2:14:08.240 than four hundred Palestinians have been killed, one hundred and 2:14:08.280 --> 2:14:12.000 seven of those being children in the West Bank. I 2:14:12.040 --> 2:14:15.080 also want to mention the settler attacks on Palestinians, not 2:14:15.160 --> 2:14:18.400 just by the IOF, because these settler attacks have also 2:14:18.440 --> 2:14:23.560 become routine. Settlers have burned cars and houses, blockaded roads, 2:14:23.920 --> 2:14:29.840 damaged electricity networks, seas farmland, severed irrigation lines, attacked people 2:14:29.840 --> 2:14:33.320 in their fields and olive groves, and killed people, all 2:14:33.360 --> 2:14:38.040 without repercussion. The UN has recorded five hundred and seventy 2:14:38.120 --> 2:14:41.760 three attacks by settlers in the West Bank since October seventh, 2:14:42.200 --> 2:14:46.360 with Israeli forces the IOF accompanying them half of the time. 2:14:47.080 --> 2:14:49.800 At least nine people have been killed by settlers and 2:14:49.920 --> 2:14:52.680 three hundred and eighty two have been killed by the IOF. 2:14:52.840 --> 2:14:57.600 According to these numbers by the UN, human rights groups 2:14:57.600 --> 2:15:00.680 in Israel and the West Bank allege along pattern of 2:15:00.760 --> 2:15:04.240 violence that has been enabled by the IOF. The army, however, 2:15:04.320 --> 2:15:08.120 of course, denies this. Human rights groups in Israel and 2:15:08.160 --> 2:15:11.520 the West Bank allege a long pattern of violence by 2:15:11.520 --> 2:15:15.520 settlers that is enabled by the occupation forces. The Army 2:15:15.560 --> 2:15:20.240 of course denies this. As I mentioned earlier, the IOF 2:15:20.360 --> 2:15:23.560 has a long history of using unnecessary lethal force, and 2:15:23.600 --> 2:15:26.840 we're seeing that increasingly happen in the West Bank. I 2:15:26.880 --> 2:15:29.120 want to end this episode with a quote from the 2:15:29.160 --> 2:15:33.320 Israeli group be se them. They told the BBC. Since 2:15:33.360 --> 2:15:36.240 the beginning of the war in the Gaza Strip, Israel 2:15:36.320 --> 2:15:40.080 has continued to implement a lethal open fire policy in 2:15:40.120 --> 2:15:44.400 the West Bank. Of the almost four hundred Palestinians killed 2:15:44.400 --> 2:15:48.480 by Israeli forces since October seventh, many did not pose 2:15:48.520 --> 2:15:50.800 a threat at the level that would justify the use 2:15:50.880 --> 2:15:55.839 of lethal force. With extremely rare exceptions that usually involve 2:15:55.960 --> 2:15:59.360 low ranking soldiers, no one is brought to justice for 2:15:59.400 --> 2:16:04.680 the killing of Palestinians. This reflects Israel's profound disregard for 2:16:04.800 --> 2:16:07.560 the lives and bodies of Palestinians. 2:16:08.520 --> 2:16:09.480 And that is. 2:16:09.480 --> 2:16:14.120 Our episode for today. As usual, Please please keep talking 2:16:14.160 --> 2:16:18.320 about Palestine, Please keep raising awareness about this ongoing genocide 2:16:18.320 --> 2:16:24.720 that's happening in both Gaza and the West Bank. And yeah, just. 2:16:25.160 --> 2:16:41.680 They'll stop talking about it. Pre Palestine. 2:16:42.600 --> 2:16:46.119 Hello, and welcome to It Can Happen Here podcast about 2:16:46.160 --> 2:16:49.920 things falling apart and people putting them back together. I 2:16:49.959 --> 2:16:51.840 am back after us for a lengthy court battle. Have 2:16:51.840 --> 2:16:54.520 been allowed to return to the podcast, which I'm very 2:16:54.520 --> 2:16:57.600 grateful for. And I'm joined today by John and Haval, 2:16:57.720 --> 2:16:59.800 two friends of mine who volunteer out here in a 2:16:59.800 --> 2:17:02.000 come a lot, a lot more than I do. And 2:17:02.040 --> 2:17:05.400 we're going to explain some developments sort have happened, give 2:17:05.400 --> 2:17:07.560 you an update on the situation here and let you 2:17:07.640 --> 2:17:09.440 know how you could help soon. Welcome to the show, 2:17:09.480 --> 2:17:09.920 both of you. 2:17:10.200 --> 2:17:11.680 Hello, thank you, good to be back. 2:17:12.000 --> 2:17:13.120 Yeah, welcome back. 2:17:13.400 --> 2:17:16.160 If you'd like to just introduce yourselves, like your name, 2:17:16.600 --> 2:17:20.840 like whatever role you play out here, pronouns, and any 2:17:21.120 --> 2:17:23.520 affiliation with any organization you feel is relevant. 2:17:24.120 --> 2:17:27.080 So my name is John. I'm someone that lives in 2:17:27.120 --> 2:17:30.720 the area. This situation just kind of showed up in 2:17:30.720 --> 2:17:35.640 my backyard. I was kind of forced into it rather 2:17:35.760 --> 2:17:38.360 than volunteered into it, and I've been dealing with it 2:17:38.440 --> 2:17:41.280 NonStop since the beginning. Yeah, I'm one of the main 2:17:42.160 --> 2:17:43.360 sets of booths on the ground. 2:17:44.040 --> 2:17:47.959 Have all I used, they them pronouns, and I organized 2:17:48.040 --> 2:17:51.880 with direct Action Drumline and Zene Distro doing a lot 2:17:51.920 --> 2:17:54.320 of mutual aid, which is how I got involved in 2:17:54.360 --> 2:17:57.280 all this, and also with Alo Gelato helping out on 2:17:57.320 --> 2:18:00.320 the ground since the beginning with John, pretty much just 2:18:00.400 --> 2:18:02.400 a little after John started. 2:18:02.480 --> 2:18:07.720 So yeah, so that's what nearly six months, so if 2:18:07.720 --> 2:18:10.880 you're not counting me, yeah, yeah, wow yeah. 2:18:10.920 --> 2:18:13.840 So yeah, it started in May and then it stopped 2:18:13.920 --> 2:18:16.720 during the summertime. It picked up again in September, and 2:18:16.760 --> 2:18:18.120 we've been dealing with it NonStop. 2:18:18.360 --> 2:18:18.560 Yeah. 2:18:18.959 --> 2:18:21.840 People have heard briefly from John's father Sam in our 2:18:21.879 --> 2:18:25.440 May episodes about title forty two, which we did. Yeah, 2:18:25.440 --> 2:18:27.960 it seems like forever ago. Also, it doesn't seem like 2:18:28.040 --> 2:18:32.440 very long ago. It's just one big, weird collapsing of time. 2:18:33.040 --> 2:18:38.080 So last time we spoke, last time I spoke with Haval, 2:18:38.240 --> 2:18:41.040 we had this situation where we had three distinct concrete 2:18:41.200 --> 2:18:46.199 camps right adjacent to gaps in the wall, which volunteers 2:18:46.280 --> 2:18:52.160 were servicing with food, water, warm blankets, were building shelters, 2:18:52.280 --> 2:18:55.240 and we've heard a lot about those camps. Does one 2:18:55.240 --> 2:18:58.199 of you guys want to explain how things have changed 2:18:58.440 --> 2:19:01.599 since then, and really particular in the last six weeks. 2:19:01.800 --> 2:19:05.800 So yeah, it's changed quite radically. Actually, So between the 2:19:05.800 --> 2:19:09.760 months of September and December, we were servicing these three 2:19:09.800 --> 2:19:12.480 camps kind of more or less in our immediate area. 2:19:13.040 --> 2:19:16.240 It was pretty straightforward. Our routine would consist of stopping 2:19:16.240 --> 2:19:19.959 to each camp two times a day and feeding people, 2:19:19.959 --> 2:19:22.600 providing them with all of the different things that the 2:19:22.680 --> 2:19:27.560 US government was not and I kind of wish things 2:19:27.600 --> 2:19:31.400 were simpler like they were back then. Yeah, So at 2:19:31.400 --> 2:19:34.840 the end of the month of December, Secretary Blincoln made 2:19:34.879 --> 2:19:40.119 a visit to Mexico, and I suspect that he pressured 2:19:40.520 --> 2:19:44.120 the Mexican government to police our border for US. One 2:19:44.160 --> 2:19:46.959 of the immediate changes that we saw as a result 2:19:47.000 --> 2:19:51.160 of that was the foundation of two Mexican National Guard 2:19:51.200 --> 2:19:54.800 camps at two of the gaps that feed into those 2:19:54.840 --> 2:20:00.480 camps in our area, and that has basically stopped any 2:20:00.520 --> 2:20:04.199 people coming through those areas. This has not made any 2:20:04.400 --> 2:20:07.080 less people come into the country. Actually, the numbers have 2:20:07.160 --> 2:20:10.680 been fairly consistent. It's just that people have been forced 2:20:10.680 --> 2:20:14.240 to go in through other areas. So there have been 2:20:15.400 --> 2:20:19.320 many many new oads that have popped up west of US. 2:20:19.320 --> 2:20:22.279 We have to drive quite a bit further into towards 2:20:22.400 --> 2:20:25.720 San Diego to go and service those areas, the main 2:20:25.800 --> 2:20:30.000 one being Sliders, which we're seeing about two hundred people 2:20:30.040 --> 2:20:34.480 come in sometimes in a night. It's not a good scene. 2:20:35.000 --> 2:20:39.119 Whereas those three ones that we were originally servicing had 2:20:39.280 --> 2:20:41.840 dumpsters and porta potties at the very least. 2:20:41.920 --> 2:20:43.320 They still do. They still. 2:20:44.959 --> 2:20:47.480 There exactly, Yeah, moving at the speed of government. 2:20:47.640 --> 2:20:50.080 The new ones don't have that, and people are having 2:20:50.120 --> 2:20:53.240 to spend Well, how long were the people there most 2:20:53.800 --> 2:20:56.720 during that crazy, crazy time, just like a few days ago. 2:20:57.800 --> 2:21:00.280 I think they were up They were there for up 2:21:00.320 --> 2:21:01.959 to like nineteen hours. 2:21:01.720 --> 2:21:04.400 Yeah, going on a day right now. Yeah, because we 2:21:04.480 --> 2:21:07.720 first so to backtrack to people, like we heard from 2:21:07.720 --> 2:21:09.920 a member of the community that there have been people 2:21:10.400 --> 2:21:14.600 seen held there right at Sliders, And then we went 2:21:14.640 --> 2:21:18.520 out there and we kept finding like warm fires, like 2:21:18.560 --> 2:21:21.480 where people have clearly been there and built fires. We 2:21:21.480 --> 2:21:24.320 could see where people are scavenged to brush, and a. 2:21:24.240 --> 2:21:27.920 Lot of documents ripped up around there. Yeah, the mittill. 2:21:27.480 --> 2:21:29.920 Signs, yeah, yeah, all these signs, and so we were 2:21:29.920 --> 2:21:32.120 able to use that to suppose that was a place 2:21:32.120 --> 2:21:34.959 where people were and then I guess was it. Eventually 2:21:34.959 --> 2:21:37.120 someone stayed the night there and that was what allowed us, 2:21:37.240 --> 2:21:39.680 or we bumped into people there. Someone bumped into people there. 2:21:40.400 --> 2:21:43.760 Well, we have an acquaintance that's been very helpful towards 2:21:43.800 --> 2:21:46.800 the cause that lives just close by to there, and 2:21:46.840 --> 2:21:48.760 he's kind of one of the one that sounded the alarm. 2:21:50.200 --> 2:21:52.120 And from there, it's like you said, it's a lot 2:21:52.120 --> 2:21:55.200 more difficult, right, Like it's probably a thirty minute drive. 2:21:55.680 --> 2:21:58.000 It's a steep off road, so like when it rains, 2:21:58.040 --> 2:22:00.240 it's hard to get to. So that makes it more 2:22:00.280 --> 2:22:04.520 difficult for us to provide stuff for people there. And like, 2:22:05.200 --> 2:22:07.480 I guess people should realize that we didn't find out 2:22:07.480 --> 2:22:09.720 about this because Border Patrol called us and said, like, hey, 2:22:09.760 --> 2:22:12.000 there are people here without food, water, don't do that. 2:22:12.040 --> 2:22:13.200 But yeah, that's not a thing that they do. 2:22:13.320 --> 2:22:16.760 We actually did one. Another volunteer, Brendan and I were 2:22:16.840 --> 2:22:19.240 driving out and we stopped on the road. I don't 2:22:19.240 --> 2:22:22.440 think you were with us, John, but we started talking 2:22:22.480 --> 2:22:24.640 to one of the agents because there was two or 2:22:24.680 --> 2:22:27.000 a group of people from I think Egypt. That was 2:22:27.040 --> 2:22:30.800 the day everyone did the math exodus from one seven seven. 2:22:31.360 --> 2:22:33.320 So we stopped and we're talking to one of the agents, 2:22:33.320 --> 2:22:35.560 and he did slip that there was another camp. He 2:22:35.600 --> 2:22:37.400 didn't name it, didn't say where it was, he just 2:22:37.400 --> 2:22:39.440 said it was that way. And that was around the 2:22:39.480 --> 2:22:41.600 same time that Morgan had mentioned it to us. So 2:22:41.720 --> 2:22:43.440 it's you know, we kind of pulled it out of 2:22:43.480 --> 2:22:46.440 this agent because we were talking very nonchalantly with him 2:22:46.480 --> 2:22:48.360 and he was being generally nice. 2:22:48.400 --> 2:22:51.840 But yeah, they don't tell us about this stuff. Yeah, 2:22:51.959 --> 2:22:53.800 and we have to find him myself. And what I 2:22:53.800 --> 2:22:56.680 think that brings up is that there are potentially more, 2:22:56.920 --> 2:22:59.560 right we think, no, for a fact, we know that 2:22:59.600 --> 2:23:03.400 there are more. And like I think it's obviously people 2:23:03.440 --> 2:23:05.480 and people think of California and they think of LA 2:23:05.480 --> 2:23:06.800 and they think of San Diego and they think of 2:23:06.840 --> 2:23:09.640 the beach and like pleasant weather. But can you explain, 2:23:09.680 --> 2:23:12.200 like it's been really cold out here and pretty miserable 2:23:12.240 --> 2:23:13.840 right with the wet weather we've been having. 2:23:14.200 --> 2:23:17.080 This is a pretty unknown part of southern California. You know, 2:23:17.120 --> 2:23:20.879 we're a mountainous region just just east of San Diego, 2:23:20.959 --> 2:23:24.000 within San Diego County. It's uh, I mean it's not 2:23:24.520 --> 2:23:27.120 it's not crazy high. It's you know, it's about on 2:23:27.160 --> 2:23:29.440 an average of three thousand or four thousand feet above 2:23:29.480 --> 2:23:32.080 sea level. But yeah, it gets very windy over here, 2:23:32.240 --> 2:23:35.160 gets very unpleasant. It often drops down to freezing. 2:23:36.760 --> 2:23:39.120 Yeah, and that's if you're out there all night and 2:23:39.160 --> 2:23:41.200 you have any shelter and any anyway to get warm, 2:23:41.240 --> 2:23:44.000 and you're potentially wet from crossing a river or crossing 2:23:44.000 --> 2:23:46.120 a stream that often pops up in the desert. Can 2:23:46.160 --> 2:23:49.440 be a really miserable situation. So, like, it's important that 2:23:49.480 --> 2:23:52.440 these people receive help. And right now it's just through 2:23:52.520 --> 2:23:55.160 word of mouth and the local community that we're able 2:23:55.200 --> 2:23:56.760 to find them right and give them that help. 2:23:57.480 --> 2:23:57.680 Yeah. 2:23:57.879 --> 2:24:03.920 Yeah, So going forward, like we've seen like this movement 2:24:04.480 --> 2:24:08.600 of migration west, what does that mean for the ability 2:24:08.600 --> 2:24:11.400 of volunteers to provide services to migrants and what does 2:24:11.440 --> 2:24:14.680 it mean for the safety Like you said that the 2:24:14.720 --> 2:24:17.400 push factors haven't changed, right, So people are still coming here. 2:24:18.600 --> 2:24:21.080 They still have things to get away from that lead 2:24:21.120 --> 2:24:24.120 them to come here, but they're not coming the same 2:24:24.160 --> 2:24:26.360 way where we could so easily help them in these 2:24:26.400 --> 2:24:28.560 three concrete sites. So like what does that mean. 2:24:28.640 --> 2:24:32.080 Well, it's takes a lot more time out of our 2:24:32.200 --> 2:24:35.160 day just to drive there. For one, the main one 2:24:35.280 --> 2:24:39.720 sliders is up a very shitty road. Yeah. 2:24:39.840 --> 2:24:41.760 So I think they call it sliders because it's so 2:24:41.920 --> 2:24:43.879 muddy and slidy over there when you're. 2:24:43.720 --> 2:24:45.760 Trying to be Yeah, I put someone's head into the 2:24:45.800 --> 2:24:48.680 roof of my truck driving that's so long ago. 2:24:48.840 --> 2:24:50.920 Yeah, And you know, we're not the only ones that 2:24:50.959 --> 2:24:53.240 are displeased with this. It's more it makes the life 2:24:53.240 --> 2:24:55.920 for the Border patrol more difficult, makes life for the 2:24:56.080 --> 2:24:59.680 emergency medical services more difficult, and of course it makes 2:24:59.720 --> 2:25:02.760 life or the migrants more miserable. And the owner of 2:25:02.800 --> 2:25:04.920 the property and the owners of the property in which 2:25:04.920 --> 2:25:08.320 they're hosting these uh you know, detaining these migrants. 2:25:08.400 --> 2:25:11.000 Yeah, we I think if every single one has been 2:25:11.000 --> 2:25:14.320 on private property so far, right, and I think we 2:25:14.360 --> 2:25:16.119 spoke to most of the property owners at this point, 2:25:16.120 --> 2:25:17.440 and it just seems to come out of the blue 2:25:17.480 --> 2:25:17.840 at them. 2:25:18.080 --> 2:25:19.039 It's a very. 2:25:18.879 --> 2:25:21.080 Strange permission has never sought. 2:25:21.440 --> 2:25:24.280 Yeah, and I think one of them is suing the 2:25:24.320 --> 2:25:27.680 Border Patrol for it. But take months. But obviously it 2:25:27.680 --> 2:25:30.000 does have an impact on a landscape as well. People 2:25:30.080 --> 2:25:32.600 understand to be a coal so they're cutting down whatever 2:25:32.640 --> 2:25:35.360 they can to burn to make shelter, to make their 2:25:35.360 --> 2:25:36.840 experience a little bit less miserable. 2:25:37.120 --> 2:25:40.720 So that's the Yeah, that's that's kind of a bargaining 2:25:40.760 --> 2:25:44.840 tool that we try and use when trying to convince 2:25:44.840 --> 2:25:47.480 the property owners to allow us to build shelters over there. 2:25:47.640 --> 2:25:50.640 It's just to try and convince them that it'll be 2:25:50.680 --> 2:25:52.840 good for them to have migrants not be in a 2:25:52.840 --> 2:25:55.240 position to be forced to have to cut down the 2:25:55.320 --> 2:25:58.640 vegetation on their land and trash their land, and uh, 2:25:58.840 --> 2:26:01.480 you know, by allowing us to build shelters on their 2:26:01.520 --> 2:26:04.760 property and give firewood to the to the migrants that 2:26:04.800 --> 2:26:08.560 are being held on their property, it's better for them 2:26:08.600 --> 2:26:09.200 in the long run. 2:26:09.400 --> 2:26:09.600 Yeah. 2:26:09.640 --> 2:26:11.480 And the first time we went out there, they had 2:26:11.560 --> 2:26:14.520 created these shelters by just ripping brush and creating these 2:26:14.560 --> 2:26:16.520 like semi circles that were maybe about a. 2:26:16.520 --> 2:26:18.200 Foot or some of them are very impressive. 2:26:18.280 --> 2:26:18.440 Yeah. 2:26:18.520 --> 2:26:21.360 Yeah, we had two three feet high and it was nice, 2:26:21.400 --> 2:26:23.760 you know, and enclosed, so they had some sort of shelter. 2:26:23.879 --> 2:26:25.960 But yeah, they had to rip all that from the 2:26:26.040 --> 2:26:29.200 vegetation around the area, which just ruined the ecosystem there, 2:26:29.240 --> 2:26:29.760 I'm sure. 2:26:30.040 --> 2:26:31.959 Yeah. And it must tear up your hands as well, 2:26:31.959 --> 2:26:35.280 like those of slowny bushes and stuffy Yeah, it's not 2:26:35.360 --> 2:26:38.959 desirable for anyone talking of things aren't desirable. We unforced 2:26:38.959 --> 2:26:41.119 you have to take an advertising break, so we will 2:26:41.160 --> 2:26:54.080 do that. Hit some stuff that you don't need, all right, 2:26:54.120 --> 2:26:57.680 we're bank. Those are some products and services. Now we're 2:26:57.680 --> 2:27:01.520 going to talk about the way John being very local 2:27:01.600 --> 2:27:04.160 to hocumber right, how it is like organizing in a 2:27:04.240 --> 2:27:07.800 rural community, and the way that obviously you have people 2:27:08.080 --> 2:27:12.959 of very disparate political leanings in the area, and like 2:27:13.520 --> 2:27:17.360 how you've managed to like phrase what we're doing and 2:27:17.640 --> 2:27:19.840 to organize in such a way that the very least 2:27:19.840 --> 2:27:22.480 people aren't like actively pissed off at you. 2:27:22.959 --> 2:27:25.440 Yeah. So, first of all, I'm a Quaker, come from 2:27:25.440 --> 2:27:30.160 a Quaker family, and first and foremost I am doing 2:27:30.160 --> 2:27:32.680 this for religious reasons, and I like to try and 2:27:32.680 --> 2:27:35.240 remind people of that. So when people try and come 2:27:35.240 --> 2:27:39.720 at me with anti immigrants sentiment, I just try and 2:27:39.760 --> 2:27:42.760 remind them that you know, this is this is basically 2:27:42.760 --> 2:27:45.080 what you're supposed to do according to the Bible, and 2:27:46.080 --> 2:27:48.640 you know, to hate on any of these people is 2:27:48.800 --> 2:27:51.920 very Unchristian. And when I do so, it's very hard 2:27:51.920 --> 2:27:53.680 for them to come at me with any of that stuff. 2:27:54.400 --> 2:27:57.680 But still yes, for the most part, the community over 2:27:57.720 --> 2:28:00.760 here have not been very helpful towards They have not 2:28:01.000 --> 2:28:05.280 been very enthused with all these migrants coming in, and 2:28:05.920 --> 2:28:10.240 you know, they've been very regrettably misinformed about it all. 2:28:10.600 --> 2:28:14.720 They're still looking at various crazy sources for their news, 2:28:14.760 --> 2:28:17.080 like YouTube channels and stuff like that, and it's kind 2:28:17.120 --> 2:28:19.440 of kind of hard to believe. It's like, you guys 2:28:19.480 --> 2:28:21.680 live in the area. You can just drive straight out there. 2:28:21.760 --> 2:28:23.800 You can talk to me a person that you guys know, 2:28:24.240 --> 2:28:27.600 Yet you still choose to look up all these various 2:28:27.600 --> 2:28:29.080 whack jobs on YouTube. 2:28:29.600 --> 2:28:29.880 Yeah. 2:28:30.080 --> 2:28:33.640 Yeah, we've had something of a problem with the YouTube people. Right, 2:28:33.800 --> 2:28:36.680 there's a whole info a whole ecosystem of right wing 2:28:36.720 --> 2:28:39.600 YouTubers that I think probably most folks don't know about, 2:28:39.680 --> 2:28:42.160 even if you take an interest in other like right 2:28:42.160 --> 2:28:44.680 wing conspiracy stuff, as a whole ecosystem of right wing 2:28:44.720 --> 2:28:46.840 border YouTubers who have been I. 2:28:46.760 --> 2:28:48.880 Mean, describe what you've seen, right, We've had like a 2:28:48.959 --> 2:28:52.760 new right wing fascist out every day. It seems there's 2:28:52.840 --> 2:28:56.520 Oreo Express, Anthony Aguero has been out here. 2:28:57.040 --> 2:29:01.720 JLR investigator JLR, Roger Ogden here the other day. Classic 2:29:02.240 --> 2:29:04.840 it's kind of calmed down though in the last couple 2:29:04.879 --> 2:29:09.199 of days. But there was a period in late February 2:29:09.200 --> 2:29:11.400 where it seemed like they were coming out every single day. 2:29:11.520 --> 2:29:13.760 Yeah, just a different guy in a different lifted jeep. 2:29:13.959 --> 2:29:18.000 Yeah, exactly just after that whole border what was it that. 2:29:18.160 --> 2:29:19.040 Take back our Border? 2:29:19.520 --> 2:29:22.400 Yeah, I got them all rouled up to come out. 2:29:22.520 --> 2:29:25.080 Actually, what really set them off to be aware of 2:29:25.120 --> 2:29:27.000 all of this is when Fox did their big piece 2:29:27.040 --> 2:29:29.400 out here and they were out here for multiple days. Yeah, 2:29:29.440 --> 2:29:31.320 that's what kind of like turned on the tap. 2:29:31.680 --> 2:29:34.840 Yeah, and that's very common anyway you go on the border, 2:29:34.879 --> 2:29:38.879 right Like Fox has a border reporter, Bill Malugan. People 2:29:38.879 --> 2:29:41.959 will be familiar with Bill Malugan from publishing a story 2:29:41.959 --> 2:29:44.039 in twenty twenty which suggested the police officer had a 2:29:44.080 --> 2:29:48.600 tampon used tampon put in his Starbucks coffee, which was 2:29:48.600 --> 2:29:52.160 demonstrably false and didn't really very much look like a tampon. 2:29:52.520 --> 2:29:54.879 You can google more about that if that's interesting to you. 2:29:54.920 --> 2:29:57.000 But like someone who preps should have lost a genalistic 2:29:57.000 --> 2:29:59.800 credibility at that point. It's now doing border reporting for 2:30:00.520 --> 2:30:02.840 and this is like when I speak to people all 2:30:02.840 --> 2:30:05.600 along the border right here, Arizona, Texas. Yeah, the stuff 2:30:05.640 --> 2:30:10.279 that Fox puts out very strongly correlates with anti migrant sentiment, 2:30:10.360 --> 2:30:12.960 both both locally and with like these these folks coming 2:30:12.959 --> 2:30:16.200 in and streaming and they're always asking for donations, right, 2:30:16.240 --> 2:30:20.199 Like it's not a then they're they're not like advert 2:30:20.320 --> 2:30:23.119 funded or like publicly funded like that, they're funded by 2:30:23.280 --> 2:30:24.160 donations for what. 2:30:24.640 --> 2:30:26.960 Yeah, well, I forget the channel there. Aguero is on 2:30:27.120 --> 2:30:29.480 that he's constantly asking for the nations and like, oh, 2:30:29.480 --> 2:30:31.800 thank you, you just dropped ten dollars, so thank you 2:30:31.840 --> 2:30:32.720 for the five spot. 2:30:32.840 --> 2:30:34.560 Other of like they're sitting. 2:30:34.280 --> 2:30:34.800 In his car. 2:30:35.680 --> 2:30:38.119 That's that's what they're grifters, That's that's what they're out 2:30:38.160 --> 2:30:40.640 there for. Every It seems like a third of their 2:30:40.680 --> 2:30:44.200 broadcast time is spent asking for donations, right yeah. 2:30:44.280 --> 2:30:46.760 Yeah, it's like a like a charity stream, except it's 2:30:46.959 --> 2:30:49.600 the opposite of charity, I guess exactly, So pay me 2:30:49.640 --> 2:30:52.680 to do hateful things streams. Yeah, And I think like 2:30:53.680 --> 2:30:57.120 that as we get as we look between now and November, 2:30:57.480 --> 2:30:59.440 I think it's really important that like the border will 2:30:59.440 --> 2:31:02.160 be a topic that people who never come to the 2:31:02.200 --> 2:31:05.880 border will argue about constantly between now and November, right, 2:31:05.920 --> 2:31:08.480 Fox News will have reporting on it, NBC will have 2:31:08.520 --> 2:31:10.959 reporting on it, like and both of them will have 2:31:11.040 --> 2:31:15.320 reporting that isn't anchored on what we see every single 2:31:15.440 --> 2:31:18.160 day out here, which is whatever actual people from all 2:31:18.200 --> 2:31:21.600 over the world who are having a very difficult time 2:31:22.720 --> 2:31:27.080 right here and need a help, right and we're doing 2:31:27.080 --> 2:31:29.480 what we can to help them. So I guess what, 2:31:29.760 --> 2:31:33.360 Like people who are listening to this will in the 2:31:33.400 --> 2:31:35.440 next I don't know how long it is to November, 2:31:35.480 --> 2:31:40.000 what six months, seven eight months, they'll have conversations with 2:31:40.080 --> 2:31:43.640 their family members, with their friends, with people in bars, whatever, 2:31:44.080 --> 2:31:48.440 regarding the border. What do you think they should know about, 2:31:48.480 --> 2:31:53.680 like what we're seeing and like what the because there's 2:31:53.680 --> 2:31:56.080 this whole border invasion narrative, right, and then like this 2:31:56.160 --> 2:31:58.560 is not an invasion. We were just out joking with 2:31:58.600 --> 2:32:01.200 some people and helping them get the firewood prepped. Like 2:32:02.080 --> 2:32:03.080 these people know threat. 2:32:03.280 --> 2:32:06.440 I think people often make the mistake of considering this 2:32:06.520 --> 2:32:08.920 issue to be a political issue. It really is just 2:32:08.959 --> 2:32:11.760 a humanitarian issue. Vast majority of the people that I've 2:32:11.800 --> 2:32:14.600 talked to have very legitimate reasons for needing to come 2:32:14.600 --> 2:32:17.760 into this country, whether they're from Ecuador, you know, you 2:32:17.760 --> 2:32:20.280 know the situation over there recently there were gangsters that 2:32:20.320 --> 2:32:24.200 took over a TV station, Or in Guatemala, where I 2:32:24.240 --> 2:32:27.240 spoke to a man who told me that his children 2:32:27.280 --> 2:32:30.160 with college degrees can make enough family money to feed 2:32:30.200 --> 2:32:36.160 their families. Or even in Afghanistan where people have literally 2:32:36.200 --> 2:32:39.560 had the Taliban threatened their families lives. 2:32:39.720 --> 2:32:42.840 The same with and the Iatola escaping. 2:32:42.480 --> 2:32:45.320 A Kurdish people in Turkey. I mean, the list goes on. 2:32:46.160 --> 2:32:49.360 Or you know climate refugees like the Mauritanians that we 2:32:49.400 --> 2:32:53.800 just spoke with earlier. Yes, they're they're coming and they 2:32:53.840 --> 2:32:58.080 have really reasonable grounds for asylum over here. 2:32:58.400 --> 2:33:01.160 Yeah, and it wouldn't be such and then quote unquote 2:33:01.200 --> 2:33:03.879 invasion if they were just allowed to walk through the 2:33:03.879 --> 2:33:06.880 port of entry. This it's this process is so silly 2:33:06.959 --> 2:33:09.240 because they crossed. They could just do this all at 2:33:09.240 --> 2:33:12.160 the port of entry. They really could be the policies 2:33:12.200 --> 2:33:13.640 just choose not to do this. 2:33:14.160 --> 2:33:16.600 Yeah, but that's the part that really doesn't make sense, 2:33:16.760 --> 2:33:20.039 is like we're letting them in anyways, Why do we 2:33:20.080 --> 2:33:22.600 need to make their lives so uncomfortable you. 2:33:22.560 --> 2:33:23.640 Know and dangerous? 2:33:23.720 --> 2:33:23.840 Right? 2:33:24.000 --> 2:33:24.480 Dangerous? 2:33:24.560 --> 2:33:27.000 I mean, John, you and I were on a water 2:33:27.080 --> 2:33:30.440 drop maybe two months ago, now, six weeks ago in 2:33:31.280 --> 2:33:33.879 slightly west of here, right, Yeah, do you remember we 2:33:33.879 --> 2:33:35.560 were driving down to where we're going to get off 2:33:35.600 --> 2:33:39.720 and we met that family from Guinea. There was like, 2:33:39.840 --> 2:33:41.920 do you want to just describe what you saw because 2:33:41.959 --> 2:33:43.920 I think it was like, at least for me, that 2:33:44.080 --> 2:33:45.600 was like I've seen it a lot, but it still 2:33:45.600 --> 2:33:46.600 emotionally affected me. 2:33:46.800 --> 2:33:48.520 So that Yeah, there was a there was a Guinean 2:33:48.560 --> 2:33:51.000 woman and her kid. I think he might have been 2:33:51.080 --> 2:33:55.040 like what four or something three three? Yeah, and there 2:33:55.080 --> 2:33:58.480 was also a Nigerian woman and you know, Nigerian speak 2:33:58.480 --> 2:34:01.320 English and Guineans speak friend and they weren't really able 2:34:01.320 --> 2:34:04.760 to communicate with one another, and yet they were still 2:34:04.800 --> 2:34:09.039 traveling side by side because they they just teamed up 2:34:09.280 --> 2:34:12.720 because they were in a desperate situation together. One of 2:34:12.760 --> 2:34:15.840 them was was she and sandals. 2:34:16.080 --> 2:34:17.160 One of them didn't have shoes at all. 2:34:17.280 --> 2:34:19.760 Didn't have shoes at all. Right, Yeah, yeah, it's six 2:34:19.760 --> 2:34:21.920 weeks is a long time, you know what you're doing? 2:34:22.200 --> 2:34:23.959 Yeah, well you see horrible things every day. 2:34:24.000 --> 2:34:26.280 Yeah, it's been a very eventful time. Yeah, every day 2:34:26.320 --> 2:34:30.959 feels like a news story. Yeah, And they just kind 2:34:31.000 --> 2:34:35.400 of sat on the side of the road and were 2:34:35.400 --> 2:34:39.280 out of breath, and they were just basically asking us 2:34:39.280 --> 2:34:39.840 to help them. 2:34:40.160 --> 2:34:42.240 Yeah, I remember the little girl, but because we were 2:34:42.680 --> 2:34:44.520 obviously concerned with the lady who didn't have shoes and 2:34:44.520 --> 2:34:46.680 trying to help like bandage her feet and stuff. But 2:34:46.720 --> 2:34:48.840 then I remember the little girls wasn't saying anything, and 2:34:49.120 --> 2:34:52.199 I suddenly realized, Oh, this little girl is probably very cold. 2:34:52.360 --> 2:34:57.040 She was like, you know, early, like mildly hypotheromic. Yeah, 2:34:57.160 --> 2:34:59.800 so I had her wrapped up in a little mile 2:35:00.040 --> 2:35:02.440 blanket with me to warm her up. And it's just, 2:35:03.000 --> 2:35:05.320 I know it just for one reason or another, that 2:35:05.400 --> 2:35:07.039 was a moment where I was like, why on earth 2:35:07.040 --> 2:35:08.680 are we doing this to a three year old? Like 2:35:08.680 --> 2:35:11.520 what possible reason could there be? Yeah, this three year 2:35:11.520 --> 2:35:14.720 old girl to have hypothermia here in like the richest 2:35:14.720 --> 2:35:15.440 country in the world. 2:35:15.800 --> 2:35:18.160 Who could possibly agree that this is a good thing? 2:35:18.320 --> 2:35:18.880 Yes, and yeah. 2:35:19.240 --> 2:35:21.960 Or another experience I had in the beginning of February 2:35:22.000 --> 2:35:24.400 where there was this Colombian man who was in tears 2:35:24.920 --> 2:35:28.080 who approached me and told me that his daughter was 2:35:28.480 --> 2:35:31.680 very very ill, and he dragged me over to a 2:35:31.760 --> 2:35:34.480 porta potty and she was there bundled up with like 2:35:34.600 --> 2:35:38.400 nine blankets or something, not really responding to my questions. 2:35:38.920 --> 2:35:40.840 He was trying to contact nine to one one, but 2:35:40.879 --> 2:35:43.480 the responder on a nine to one one or the 2:35:43.520 --> 2:35:47.160 dispatcher didn't speak Spanish, so I had to communicate with 2:35:47.200 --> 2:35:49.920 them and navigate the whole situation. Turns out she did 2:35:49.920 --> 2:35:55.760 have hypothermia. Yeah, but the ambulance would not take him 2:35:55.840 --> 2:35:58.920 along with the mother and the child to the hospital. 2:35:59.240 --> 2:36:02.440 So again it's another case of family separation. Who knows 2:36:02.440 --> 2:36:04.840 what might have happened. They would have gotten processed separately. 2:36:04.920 --> 2:36:08.560 He could have ended up in Louisiana and she could 2:36:08.560 --> 2:36:10.600 have ended up in Riverside or somewhere. 2:36:10.840 --> 2:36:13.240 Yeah, And at that point, once again, it's not the 2:36:13.280 --> 2:36:15.560 government or your taxes that were pay for those people 2:36:15.600 --> 2:36:19.359 to be reunified. Right, that's work that's done by NGOs 2:36:19.360 --> 2:36:23.680 in modern tree organizations exactly. Yeah, despite the massive amount 2:36:23.680 --> 2:36:26.000 of money we spend on And we were just talking 2:36:26.040 --> 2:36:29.039 the other day about how they the architectural marvel of 2:36:29.040 --> 2:36:31.360 sections of the border wall right where they've poured concrete 2:36:31.360 --> 2:36:34.680 at like a forty five plus degree angle and spent 2:36:34.800 --> 2:36:38.240 millions of dollars for every yard of that, and we 2:36:38.280 --> 2:36:40.039 don't have enough money to give this three year old 2:36:40.080 --> 2:36:43.280 girl a blanket or to get that family back together. 2:36:43.400 --> 2:36:46.400 It's pathetic, it's it's yeah, it's mind boggling. 2:36:46.600 --> 2:36:48.960 Yeah, even today with that dude from Brazil. 2:36:49.000 --> 2:36:50.840 He came up to me when we first got here 2:36:50.840 --> 2:36:53.199 there was starving, wanted food, water, and he. 2:36:53.120 --> 2:36:54.360 Was like, I'm sick, I have a fever. 2:36:54.480 --> 2:36:56.920 So I hooked him up with some cold medicine that 2:36:56.959 --> 2:36:59.280 we had in our medkit, and then later when we 2:36:59.320 --> 2:37:01.120 went back to do the second round of feeding, he 2:37:01.200 --> 2:37:02.920 got more food and he was like, thank you so much. 2:37:02.920 --> 2:37:03.520 We're starving. 2:37:03.560 --> 2:37:05.920 We were told to when we were dropped off to 2:37:06.000 --> 2:37:08.560 wait in the mountains at six pm to six am, 2:37:08.640 --> 2:37:11.080 so they were just hadn't really I don't know if 2:37:11.080 --> 2:37:13.320 they were on the American side yet or how that worked. 2:37:13.320 --> 2:37:15.200 Didn't really describe it, but had to wait in the 2:37:15.200 --> 2:37:18.440 mountains before crossing, and so people are getting sick out there. 2:37:19.600 --> 2:37:22.039 We ran into that dude with the dog bite on 2:37:22.440 --> 2:37:24.800 at one seven seven. He was just so we we 2:37:25.040 --> 2:37:27.400 always go check this one camp because there hasn't been 2:37:27.400 --> 2:37:29.360 out since Squadi and Snal have put their camp on 2:37:29.400 --> 2:37:31.200 the other side, there hadn't been a whole lot of 2:37:31.200 --> 2:37:34.080 people crossing in this area, but we go check it periodically. 2:37:34.120 --> 2:37:37.080 In one morning, yeah, we saw this man hobbling towards 2:37:37.200 --> 2:37:39.160 us as we're driving down the road with a stick, 2:37:39.560 --> 2:37:41.520 and we're like, why is he walking like this? Pulled 2:37:41.560 --> 2:37:43.360 over and he was bitten by a dog. He said 2:37:43.360 --> 2:37:44.840 he went to take a drink of water and some 2:37:44.959 --> 2:37:47.039 dogs attacked him, two dogs, I think. 2:37:47.240 --> 2:37:50.840 Yeah, he'd described it to the wolf, right wolf. Yeah. 2:37:50.959 --> 2:37:52.920 Yeah, So we called the MS and they picked them 2:37:53.000 --> 2:37:54.320 up and took them to the hospitals. 2:37:54.440 --> 2:37:56.440 Right, big, you hadn't been there. It's a long way 2:37:56.480 --> 2:37:57.880 to walk with a dog bite your leg. 2:37:58.240 --> 2:38:01.680 Yeah, And who knows, Bordovich might not even have ems 2:38:01.800 --> 2:38:03.400 them out. They might have just tried to process them 2:38:03.440 --> 2:38:07.760 with the dog bite. Yeah, could have gotten infected or infectoris. Yeah. 2:38:08.160 --> 2:38:11.680 But just to go back on the mutual aid question 2:38:11.800 --> 2:38:14.720 that you had earlier, it hasn't all been negative. It's 2:38:14.760 --> 2:38:18.080 actually been a really great experience in which I've met 2:38:18.200 --> 2:38:20.920 really great people from all kinds of walks of life 2:38:21.280 --> 2:38:24.160 who have just joined together because they see a problem 2:38:24.320 --> 2:38:28.600 and know that they're the only they're the only ones 2:38:28.640 --> 2:38:30.680 that can make a difference. And it is a sure 2:38:31.120 --> 2:38:35.560 easy way to be really important and make a difference 2:38:35.600 --> 2:38:38.600 in other people's lives. You don't really need to have 2:38:38.840 --> 2:38:41.320 much more than a good heart and a willingness to work. 2:38:41.879 --> 2:38:43.760 Yeah, Like, I think we should talk about that more 2:38:43.840 --> 2:38:47.760 because not that some of us had some prior life experience, 2:38:47.879 --> 2:38:50.400 right working with refugees or migration, But I think most 2:38:50.440 --> 2:38:52.800 of us just were people who were like, get, this 2:38:52.879 --> 2:38:54.880 isn't right, and I am able to help, and so 2:38:54.959 --> 2:38:57.520 I'm going to help. So can you talk about like 2:38:57.600 --> 2:39:00.480 how people can help? And then, like you said, I 2:39:00.520 --> 2:39:02.200 think I've actually got a lot out of this, and 2:39:02.480 --> 2:39:05.760 I feel more affirmed in my belief that we can 2:39:05.800 --> 2:39:07.920 look out after each other without the need to control 2:39:07.959 --> 2:39:10.600 each other, and like we don't necessarily need people with 2:39:10.720 --> 2:39:13.360 guns and badges to create a society that cares for 2:39:13.400 --> 2:39:16.240 people who need taken care of. And so perhaps you 2:39:16.280 --> 2:39:17.960 could describe like how people can help, and then what 2:39:18.080 --> 2:39:20.520 it is that you've got out of this that keeps 2:39:20.560 --> 2:39:21.200 you wanting to do this. 2:39:22.080 --> 2:39:24.720 Well. First of all, Yeah, we don't have a clear 2:39:25.440 --> 2:39:31.600 structure of authoritative structure over here. We take ideas as 2:39:31.640 --> 2:39:35.200 a collective. Different people have contributed different things. There's a 2:39:35.240 --> 2:39:38.840 woman that really nailed down the PB and J making system, 2:39:38.959 --> 2:39:42.400 and we've all just been following her lead. Some people 2:39:42.480 --> 2:39:45.200 came up with the idea of having a cell phone 2:39:45.280 --> 2:39:49.680 charging station that was you, and it's just the list 2:39:49.800 --> 2:39:54.280 goes on and if you wanted to help, you could 2:39:54.320 --> 2:39:56.040 just come by to the border, come to one of 2:39:56.080 --> 2:40:01.920 these sites and just start distributing food or teaming up 2:40:01.959 --> 2:40:04.800 with us somehow, or by donating to the GoFundMe. 2:40:05.000 --> 2:40:05.960 Yeah, what's the good fund me? 2:40:06.040 --> 2:40:08.520 John, So let's go fundme that was set up by 2:40:08.600 --> 2:40:12.080 my dad. I don't actually know what it's like. 2:40:12.160 --> 2:40:14.080 How Cumba Migrant Aid you. 2:40:14.360 --> 2:40:16.600 To go fund me? How Cumba Migrant Aid. It comes up. 2:40:16.800 --> 2:40:19.640 Samuel Schultz, I think isy Samuel Schultz. 2:40:19.720 --> 2:40:21.959 So you'll know because it has like fifty thousand dollars 2:40:22.000 --> 2:40:24.879 on it and like maybe seven woods as a description. 2:40:25.520 --> 2:40:29.920 That's like GOOGLEMBA because not much else is going down here, 2:40:29.959 --> 2:40:32.160 I guess. But yeah, people can help that way, and 2:40:32.240 --> 2:40:34.560 we've had people come who listened. We had two people 2:40:34.600 --> 2:40:35.960 this morning right who had heard about it on the 2:40:36.000 --> 2:40:38.360 podcast and it come and helped. Yeah, and it made 2:40:38.400 --> 2:40:39.600 a really really great difference. 2:40:39.840 --> 2:40:42.400 Yeah, they camped out at the Sliders and really held 2:40:42.440 --> 2:40:45.080 it down, which is really important. I mean for some 2:40:45.240 --> 2:40:47.480 of us, we you know, like John and I, we 2:40:47.680 --> 2:40:49.480 kind of do like a morning shift where we get 2:40:49.560 --> 2:40:52.200 up really early and make sure to do everything that 2:40:52.240 --> 2:40:54.879 we need to do, prepping sandwiches, checking on all the camps. 2:40:54.959 --> 2:40:56.760 But a lot of people come in in the middle 2:40:56.800 --> 2:40:58.680 of the night. Sliders had people come in what at 2:40:58.760 --> 2:40:59.840 midnight or one am? 2:41:00.320 --> 2:41:03.200 Oh yeah, all throughout. A group came at midnight, a 2:41:03.240 --> 2:41:05.280 group came at like one am, and then there were 2:41:05.320 --> 2:41:06.840 also more that came at four am. 2:41:07.200 --> 2:41:07.440 Yeah. 2:41:07.600 --> 2:41:10.800 So like having someone on site camping, you know, making 2:41:10.879 --> 2:41:13.080 sure that people's needs are met and that if any 2:41:13.160 --> 2:41:15.480 emergencies take place, that they're taken care of, and it's 2:41:15.560 --> 2:41:18.360 just that smiling face when they get here. 2:41:18.560 --> 2:41:20.039 It makes a huge difference. 2:41:20.200 --> 2:41:23.199 Like that dude from Brazil, like earlier he was saying 2:41:23.240 --> 2:41:24.880 to me, he was like thank you so much, Like 2:41:25.040 --> 2:41:27.520 this is like this is humanity right here, Like I'm 2:41:27.520 --> 2:41:28.400 a human and I'm. 2:41:28.280 --> 2:41:30.200 Like, yes, we will treat you like humans here. 2:41:30.440 --> 2:41:32.520 Like at the end of the day, you know, these 2:41:32.560 --> 2:41:35.520 people coming through Central America and Mexico, they go through 2:41:35.640 --> 2:41:41.920 so much, you know, extortion, people ripping them off, just 2:41:42.000 --> 2:41:45.360 feeling unwelcome throughout that whole voyage. Yeah, just having a 2:41:45.400 --> 2:41:47.840 group of people welcome them into the country and treat 2:41:47.879 --> 2:41:50.680 them with dignity is worth more than any bottle of 2:41:50.720 --> 2:41:53.720 water sandwich that we can give them. And you know, 2:41:53.879 --> 2:42:07.000 that's that's the main thing that we're doing. I would say, I. 2:42:07.200 --> 2:42:09.280 Want to emphasize that people can help in so many 2:42:09.360 --> 2:42:10.920 ways that you can send us stuff, you can send 2:42:11.000 --> 2:42:12.920 us money, or you can just show up. If you 2:42:13.040 --> 2:42:15.119 just have a weekend, that's totally fine, or a day 2:42:15.160 --> 2:42:17.440 that's totally fine, or if you just want to come 2:42:17.480 --> 2:42:21.360 and make sandwiches, that's totally fine. Like it, We're a 2:42:21.560 --> 2:42:24.640 very diverse group of people, and some people have had 2:42:24.720 --> 2:42:27.720 more time than others. But yeah, everyone I think is valued, 2:42:27.760 --> 2:42:30.600 and like you said, I think like we're the way 2:42:30.640 --> 2:42:34.720 that we organize without anyone, like we organized horizontally, has 2:42:34.760 --> 2:42:36.400 allowed us to be so much better. Like do you 2:42:36.440 --> 2:42:38.880 remember the day there was a day when we ran 2:42:38.920 --> 2:42:42.360 out of plates and we were like down in Willow 2:42:42.440 --> 2:42:45.200 and it was just it was like chaos. And then 2:42:45.640 --> 2:42:47.440 someone who just arrived that day was like, oh, what 2:42:47.520 --> 2:42:49.280 if we put the beans in a sandwich? Bag and 2:42:49.360 --> 2:42:55.039 give people. That was actually Peter, who's back now after 2:42:55.160 --> 2:42:58.080 going on m Stringer for a while. But yeah, like 2:42:58.360 --> 2:43:00.920 if we had been like no, I mean we've been 2:43:00.959 --> 2:43:02.520 doing this for long and then those people wouldn't have 2:43:02.560 --> 2:43:06.280 got fed, right, But because we were willing to listen, 2:43:06.959 --> 2:43:09.840 then the people got fed, and like we were all 2:43:09.879 --> 2:43:12.560 happier because the people got fed, right, Like it worked 2:43:12.640 --> 2:43:16.920 better that way. So like as things change, because it 2:43:17.080 --> 2:43:19.400 like it. Border patrol have said explicitly that they're trying 2:43:19.440 --> 2:43:22.280 to push people west, right, what do you think, like, 2:43:22.680 --> 2:43:24.920 what do we need going forward? What do you see 2:43:25.120 --> 2:43:28.960 like the situation being and like it's it would be 2:43:29.000 --> 2:43:31.400 good to explain the context of like the changing seasons 2:43:31.400 --> 2:43:31.920 here as well. 2:43:33.320 --> 2:43:36.080 Yes, so I think what we're going to see more 2:43:36.160 --> 2:43:41.880 of is people that are crossing in unorthodox areas, more 2:43:41.920 --> 2:43:44.280 people that are hopping the fence, more people that are 2:43:44.320 --> 2:43:47.520 cutting holes in the walls, just popping up all over 2:43:47.600 --> 2:43:50.240 the place. So yeah, it would be great to have 2:43:50.520 --> 2:43:53.080 eyes along the border, people that are willing to travel 2:43:53.160 --> 2:43:55.480 up and down along the border to find out where 2:43:55.480 --> 2:43:57.960 these people are coming through, because for the most part, 2:43:58.440 --> 2:44:00.920 we don't know a lot of times where these people 2:44:00.959 --> 2:44:03.480 are coming through. There are a couple of new oads 2:44:03.520 --> 2:44:07.000 open air detention sites that are relatively close to us 2:44:07.040 --> 2:44:08.920 that we can't find even. 2:44:08.920 --> 2:44:11.240 Right, Yeah, like maybe if we had a super fancy 2:44:11.320 --> 2:44:14.039 drone we could find them, or just boots on the ground. 2:44:13.840 --> 2:44:15.160 A nice off road vehicle. 2:44:15.560 --> 2:44:18.720 Yeah, yeah, yeah, then these are all things that cost 2:44:18.800 --> 2:44:21.120 money that we don't have. But like we've all put 2:44:21.160 --> 2:44:23.320 lots of miles on our trucks and lots of miles 2:44:23.360 --> 2:44:25.400 on our boots trying to help out. 2:44:25.480 --> 2:44:28.400 My exhaust is falling off all these bumps. 2:44:28.520 --> 2:44:32.240 Yeah, my transfer case to coop beating. But like, yeah, 2:44:32.240 --> 2:44:34.360 if we had more people, some of us could focus 2:44:34.440 --> 2:44:36.879 on feeding people here because there was how many people 2:44:36.879 --> 2:44:38.200 were there when we just left, now one hundred and 2:44:38.240 --> 2:44:38.960 twenty something like that. 2:44:39.120 --> 2:44:41.880 Yeah, oh no, actually probably more if you count the 2:44:41.920 --> 2:44:45.120 new group. I think you know what a conservative estimate 2:44:45.160 --> 2:44:46.879 would have been maybe one hundred and forty. 2:44:47.120 --> 2:44:49.760 Yeah, so that's we'd made one hundred and forty sandwich 2:44:49.840 --> 2:44:52.600 used to feed them today, and we'd chopped firewood and 2:44:52.640 --> 2:44:55.680 taken that out and we'd be given all that out right. 2:44:55.720 --> 2:44:58.560 That was after the same thing at breakfast time. That 2:44:58.680 --> 2:45:01.199 doesn't leave much time to go meander along the border 2:45:01.240 --> 2:45:03.240 and look for another site. So if we have more people, 2:45:03.840 --> 2:45:06.160 we could do that and that would be really valuable. 2:45:06.280 --> 2:45:10.080 Also if you have connection to firewood, Yeah, if you're 2:45:10.120 --> 2:45:12.320 a person who can bring us a lot of firewood. 2:45:12.480 --> 2:45:14.920 We have one homie right now and he's breaking his 2:45:15.080 --> 2:45:20.560 back for us. So yeah, that's a definite big need 2:45:20.600 --> 2:45:21.200 out here. Yeah. 2:45:21.400 --> 2:45:23.080 Is there other stuff like that that people who maybe 2:45:23.120 --> 2:45:25.200 aren't here but have connections to or they could they 2:45:25.240 --> 2:45:26.680 could send that's particularly needed. 2:45:28.680 --> 2:45:33.160 A nice off road vehicle, got one lying around? Firewood 2:45:33.240 --> 2:45:36.360 is definitely a big thing. That's that's a huge need. Yeah, 2:45:36.640 --> 2:45:38.920 it's getting really cold up here, and especially in like 2:45:39.120 --> 2:45:41.840 sliders too. I think it's higher in elevation, so. 2:45:42.040 --> 2:45:44.760 So exposed to there's nothing between you and the wind. 2:45:44.959 --> 2:45:45.199 Yeah. 2:45:45.560 --> 2:45:47.080 Yeah, it's very cold out there. 2:45:47.680 --> 2:45:47.880 Yeah. 2:45:47.959 --> 2:45:50.600 But and and just other things that are that are 2:45:50.720 --> 2:45:53.360 easier for us to get, but we just constantly need 2:45:53.560 --> 2:45:55.800 such as breads, blankets, bread. 2:45:55.720 --> 2:46:01.480 Yeah, yeah, tent all these things. Right, The wind and 2:46:01.600 --> 2:46:04.800 the sun destroys everything that we've stokepiled after a while, 2:46:04.800 --> 2:46:06.640 and we have to keep reinventing the wheel. And then 2:46:07.200 --> 2:46:10.600 sometimes borter patrol destroys our stuff as well, or sometimes 2:46:10.680 --> 2:46:13.039 some chubs come and destroy our stuff, which which. 2:46:12.920 --> 2:46:14.560 Oh, the chads destroying our stuff. 2:46:14.680 --> 2:46:17.400 Yeah, we should talk about the destruction of the shelters 2:46:17.440 --> 2:46:19.120 before we finish, I guess, just to end on a 2:46:19.200 --> 2:46:21.320 sad note. What was happy not because we built them 2:46:21.360 --> 2:46:24.000 again and the fine. So there were some shelters I 2:46:24.080 --> 2:46:27.080 think mostly they were ones that had been built while 2:46:27.080 --> 2:46:30.240 they were ones that had been built volunteers and John, 2:46:30.280 --> 2:46:31.840 you saw what happened to the shelters, right. 2:46:32.120 --> 2:46:35.800 Yeah, So we built some shelters at one of the sites, 2:46:35.879 --> 2:46:39.920 at one of the main sites. You know, it was 2:46:40.280 --> 2:46:43.840 very simple just by having of plywood as the frame 2:46:44.120 --> 2:46:49.560 holding it up and then kneeling down some tarps on 2:46:49.680 --> 2:46:50.400 it with batons. 2:46:51.240 --> 2:46:51.440 It was. 2:46:51.840 --> 2:46:53.160 It was a nice thing. It stood up to the 2:46:53.360 --> 2:46:54.959 heavy winds that we have here very well. 2:46:55.959 --> 2:46:59.160 It's incomparably better to not having a shelter out there. 2:46:59.240 --> 2:47:02.240 Oh yeah, it's a completely different They're instantly use once 2:47:02.280 --> 2:47:05.920 people cross, and it's awesome to see like adults that 2:47:06.000 --> 2:47:10.080 are alone will get out and force family shelters like yeah, 2:47:10.120 --> 2:47:11.360 you get it first for sure. 2:47:11.680 --> 2:47:14.240 Yeah, and yeah, we built those. It was working out 2:47:14.280 --> 2:47:16.960 good then one day, the Border Patrol showed up or 2:47:17.360 --> 2:47:21.160 a company that was subcontracted by them and demolished them 2:47:21.200 --> 2:47:25.800 all using skiploaders and bulldozers and such. We showed up 2:47:25.800 --> 2:47:29.760 the following day, we rebuilt all the shelters, and we're 2:47:29.800 --> 2:47:30.560 really happy about it. 2:47:30.680 --> 2:47:30.800 You know. 2:47:30.879 --> 2:47:32.760 It was kind of a big fuck you to them. 2:47:32.840 --> 2:47:34.600 You can tear down our stuff, but we'll just come 2:47:34.640 --> 2:47:35.440 back and build more. 2:47:35.680 --> 2:47:36.920 Yeah, but then. 2:47:38.480 --> 2:47:41.120 What was it like a three four days later or 2:47:41.240 --> 2:47:44.120 the next day maybe i'm not the next day, two 2:47:44.200 --> 2:47:47.960 days it was close. Yeah, some guys just showed up 2:47:48.000 --> 2:47:50.560 and they tore it all up with hammers. 2:47:50.640 --> 2:47:53.240 They finishing a tiny little finishing. 2:47:54.200 --> 2:47:54.400 Yeah. 2:47:54.480 --> 2:47:57.640 Luckily they didn't really come equipped like maybe with the 2:47:57.800 --> 2:48:00.600 with the tools, they didn't really know what they Yeah, 2:48:00.600 --> 2:48:02.400 I think it's fair to say that. But still it's 2:48:02.480 --> 2:48:04.720 it's annoying when you've put the time into building it, right, 2:48:04.840 --> 2:48:09.680 and Border Patrol didn't destroy our contractors didn't destroy the shelters. 2:48:09.760 --> 2:48:11.520 At first, we were like, oh, maybe they're not using this, 2:48:11.959 --> 2:48:14.000 but there are one hundred and forty people there right now, 2:48:14.520 --> 2:48:17.720 like in the shelters that got rebuilt for a third time. 2:48:18.600 --> 2:48:22.840 So like, I guess even we do appreciate people donating, 2:48:23.000 --> 2:48:26.320 and we understand that people's resources are scarce, and like 2:48:26.440 --> 2:48:29.560 the economy is bad and the rent is too damn high, 2:48:29.680 --> 2:48:34.199 et cetera. But like every time we build up enough stuff, 2:48:34.320 --> 2:48:37.080 we have to like we're always running uphill because like 2:48:37.400 --> 2:48:40.120 stuff just gets destroyed either by the by the weather 2:48:40.600 --> 2:48:43.880 or by the border patrol or by volunteer Border patrol judge, 2:48:45.520 --> 2:48:48.040 Like we could, I guess, desperately need your help. And 2:48:48.280 --> 2:48:50.840 like at some point the news cycle will move on 2:48:50.959 --> 2:48:53.240 from the border, and that doesn't mean that we will 2:48:53.280 --> 2:48:55.920 be able to move on from having people to help here, right, 2:48:55.959 --> 2:48:58.360 because like John said, there were people and people always 2:48:58.360 --> 2:49:01.000 deserve to be treated with dignity. Is there anything else 2:49:01.080 --> 2:49:03.760 that you guys think that people should know about the situation? 2:49:03.920 --> 2:49:10.720 Here we wrap up, it's kind of chill. 2:49:12.240 --> 2:49:14.119 It is really nice, like being here. 2:49:14.320 --> 2:49:15.800 I come here because it makes me happy, and my 2:49:15.879 --> 2:49:16.400 friends are here. 2:49:16.520 --> 2:49:18.880 Yeah, And like the slider's location is located in a 2:49:19.000 --> 2:49:22.040 really awesome like you can see down just past the 2:49:22.080 --> 2:49:24.560 border wall there's like a nice little train track that 2:49:24.760 --> 2:49:27.360 used to go from US into Mexico, I guess, And 2:49:27.640 --> 2:49:30.360 just beyond that there's like sheep on a farm yea 2:49:30.800 --> 2:49:34.080 in the distance like rolling hills, the clouds come through, 2:49:34.240 --> 2:49:36.960 and like say, it's a really beautiful place to be 2:49:37.360 --> 2:49:40.040 and to hang out. And a lot of the locals 2:49:40.080 --> 2:49:42.720 that don't hate what we're doing are very nice. The 2:49:42.800 --> 2:49:45.240 people at the hotel are very supportive. 2:49:45.000 --> 2:49:48.840 And yeah, we're a great group, really good people. It's 2:49:48.879 --> 2:49:51.640 always really fun to do anything like this. People are 2:49:52.360 --> 2:49:55.520 generally enamored by our project and want to be involved 2:49:55.560 --> 2:49:57.680 and come back a second time. I mean we're kind 2:49:57.680 --> 2:49:59.440 of like cowboys. I mean we're doing this all on 2:49:59.520 --> 2:50:02.680 our own, driving up and down, looking at the sites, 2:50:02.800 --> 2:50:06.840 looking around, and that whole responsibility is on our shoulders. 2:50:07.000 --> 2:50:09.040 Yeah, it feels good to take responsibility. 2:50:09.240 --> 2:50:10.760 So definitely we're doing this. 2:50:11.040 --> 2:50:13.440 It's like no one else will, so yeah, we'll just 2:50:13.520 --> 2:50:13.680 do it. 2:50:13.800 --> 2:50:16.680 Like that's fine. It's very like it reminds me of 2:50:16.760 --> 2:50:19.920 the punk scene growing up, but like it's a big 2:50:20.000 --> 2:50:23.360 important thing. Get Like you said, every national news network 2:50:23.440 --> 2:50:26.320 has been down here, every drifting streamer has been down here. 2:50:26.360 --> 2:50:28.400 But the end of the day, it's a few dozen 2:50:28.520 --> 2:50:31.360 random people who are actually the ones making sure that 2:50:31.480 --> 2:50:34.680 people don't die here. For all the government attention, for 2:50:34.720 --> 2:50:35.880 all the millions of dollars spend it. 2:50:36.000 --> 2:50:39.320 It's just us, Yeah, working on a fraction of the butt. 2:50:39.360 --> 2:50:41.879 I mean it costs them more to fly a helicopter 2:50:43.040 --> 2:50:45.080 for a few hours than we ever. 2:50:44.959 --> 2:50:48.560 Spent in our entire go fund b Yeah, and yeah, 2:50:48.640 --> 2:50:51.320 like we get it done. We're very efficient, I guess 2:50:51.520 --> 2:50:53.400 in that sense. But yeah, we would love more people. 2:50:54.120 --> 2:50:56.480 People have come because I listen to podcasts, and that also, 2:50:56.640 --> 2:50:58.800 like just for me personally means the world to me. 2:50:58.959 --> 2:51:01.080 Like most of the time we just talk into a 2:51:01.160 --> 2:51:03.640 microphone and then you can't really see who you're talking 2:51:03.720 --> 2:51:07.080 to unless unless you go on like social media, and 2:51:07.120 --> 2:51:09.800 that's not always the best reflection of humanity. So like 2:51:10.640 --> 2:51:12.280 it really means the world to me, and that someone 2:51:12.440 --> 2:51:14.320 like listens to this when they're driving to work or 2:51:14.520 --> 2:51:16.320 you know, going on a job or whatever they're doing, 2:51:16.360 --> 2:51:18.360 and it's like, no, I will I will go and 2:51:18.440 --> 2:51:20.840 I will help, because I think that is how we 2:51:20.920 --> 2:51:23.880 solve so many of our problems. Like there is a 2:51:23.920 --> 2:51:25.840 massive problem with people not being able to afford rent 2:51:25.920 --> 2:51:28.160 living on the street in this country, and we solve 2:51:28.240 --> 2:51:30.040 it in the same way by just showing up for 2:51:30.120 --> 2:51:30.440 each other. 2:51:30.680 --> 2:51:32.520 And there's also different ways to get plugged in, Like 2:51:32.600 --> 2:51:35.160 if the desert's not your thing, it doesn't. I mean, 2:51:35.200 --> 2:51:38.280 this is like where the process starts as far as 2:51:38.360 --> 2:51:41.480 like the spectrum of the whole border crisis or not crisis, 2:51:41.560 --> 2:51:45.520 but the whole border humanitarian situation we have going on here. 2:51:45.640 --> 2:51:47.840 So this is what we're doing out here. But there's 2:51:47.840 --> 2:51:48.920 also airport runs. 2:51:48.959 --> 2:51:51.240 A lot of them get ditched in the airports, so 2:51:51.400 --> 2:51:53.960 I think we all we got SD and maybe M 2:51:54.080 --> 2:51:57.160 dev and center kind of hold down they do airport 2:51:57.240 --> 2:51:59.480 runs Border Patrol just I guess at night they don't 2:51:59.560 --> 2:52:01.720 drop them off like after ten or something. 2:52:01.760 --> 2:52:04.160 They don't drop them off at the IRIS station. They'll 2:52:04.200 --> 2:52:05.560 just drop them straight off at the airport. 2:52:05.640 --> 2:52:07.200 So they need help being fed. A lot of them 2:52:07.240 --> 2:52:09.520 don't have plane tickets. They need to kind of some 2:52:09.840 --> 2:52:12.360 you know, people need blankets because they have to sleep there. 2:52:12.600 --> 2:52:14.880 So well, I mean we all we got is great 2:52:14.959 --> 2:52:16.840 for that you can plug in with them, and I 2:52:17.040 --> 2:52:21.440 think Alochlado and who else is it M Deef as well, 2:52:22.080 --> 2:52:24.400 that's doing the IRIS street releases. So when the border 2:52:24.400 --> 2:52:26.320 patrol just releases them on the street, like a lot 2:52:26.360 --> 2:52:28.440 of people just getting a cab and go they have 2:52:28.560 --> 2:52:30.600 the resources, they can do that. They're already planned. But 2:52:30.640 --> 2:52:32.680 some people don't have any money, or they got robbed 2:52:32.720 --> 2:52:34.800 on the way here, so they have nothing. They need 2:52:34.840 --> 2:52:36.400 a lot of help. They need to figure out where 2:52:36.400 --> 2:52:38.680 to go. They need a place to stay. So there's 2:52:38.720 --> 2:52:41.840 the street releases, there's the airport, there's I think that's 2:52:41.920 --> 2:52:42.160 kind of. 2:52:42.600 --> 2:52:46.160 Or by just helping with shelters and organizations in whatever 2:52:46.240 --> 2:52:48.560 city you happen to be living in. You know, the 2:52:48.640 --> 2:52:51.200 majority of the migro well, not the majority, but a 2:52:51.360 --> 2:52:54.520 very typical answer migrants give me when I ask them 2:52:55.000 --> 2:52:57.640 where in the United States they're going to? Is New 2:52:57.720 --> 2:53:00.320 York City or Chicago or any of. 2:53:00.320 --> 2:53:03.480 These major Yeah, Lincoln, Nebraska the other day. 2:53:05.920 --> 2:53:08.520 Yeah, it's gonna be Idaho. Have fun. 2:53:10.480 --> 2:53:11.120 It was beautiful. 2:53:11.440 --> 2:53:11.600 Yeah. 2:53:12.120 --> 2:53:14.640 There was a guy have al and I met from 2:53:14.640 --> 2:53:18.080 a minority ethnic group in Russia. We met in September. 2:53:18.280 --> 2:53:20.640 I remember one of those first really cold nights and 2:53:20.840 --> 2:53:23.120 I was talking to this person and they were in 2:53:23.120 --> 2:53:25.000 Pennsylvania and I checked in with him a few weeks 2:53:25.000 --> 2:53:27.280 ago and they're like, happily living in Pennsylvania. Can't understand 2:53:27.280 --> 2:53:30.960 the word anyone else is saying. It's nice to see, 2:53:30.959 --> 2:53:34.320 and yeah, you can help those people live in whatever 2:53:34.760 --> 2:53:37.200 community you're in, And like if you're further along the border, 2:53:37.320 --> 2:53:41.800 there's paha Samaritans. There's no massive worthdays. There's humane borders 2:53:42.680 --> 2:53:45.880 to songs Samaritans as well. Right, yeah, all along the border, 2:53:45.959 --> 2:53:47.800 you know, there are the there are lots of good 2:53:47.800 --> 2:53:51.080 people in Texas, right it's a sidewalk school and Blintamoros, 2:53:51.800 --> 2:53:54.000 the people at the National Butterfly Center who are very 2:53:54.040 --> 2:53:56.520 nice people who we've heard from before, Like all along 2:53:56.560 --> 2:53:59.600 the border and like all around this country, there were 2:53:59.600 --> 2:54:02.200 there are things you can do to help, and I 2:54:02.280 --> 2:54:05.880 want to reinforce it. It's not like this penurious thing 2:54:05.959 --> 2:54:07.720 we do that's miserable and we all get together and 2:54:07.840 --> 2:54:10.080 cry every night. Like we do have a nice time, 2:54:10.320 --> 2:54:12.600 even though we have seen some really stressful things. Like 2:54:12.640 --> 2:54:15.039 we all look after one another and hold space when 2:54:15.040 --> 2:54:17.600 people do need help or extra time to process something. 2:54:17.720 --> 2:54:20.560 But it's a very supportive community and we support each 2:54:20.600 --> 2:54:22.440 other through lots of other things, like aside from this, 2:54:22.640 --> 2:54:25.600 and I think a lot of people in general in 2:54:26.840 --> 2:54:29.840 the twenty first century America struggle with isolation. And that's 2:54:29.879 --> 2:54:34.120 a thing that capitalism does to people, right, it isolates 2:54:34.200 --> 2:54:37.800 us from each other and so hopefully, like I think 2:54:37.879 --> 2:54:39.920 this is a solution for me. This has been a 2:54:40.000 --> 2:54:42.879 really positive thing, but like generally my sense of hope. 2:54:43.600 --> 2:54:45.560 Yeah, and like what we're doing this kind of does 2:54:45.680 --> 2:54:50.080 it's disaster humanitarian relief effort. It's kind of with the 2:54:50.160 --> 2:54:53.400 way the climate is going in the world in climate, 2:54:54.840 --> 2:54:55.440 climate are going. 2:54:55.400 --> 2:54:56.199 To get less common. 2:54:56.600 --> 2:54:58.920 Yeah, this will just be getting more common. And like 2:54:59.080 --> 2:55:02.400 this kind of like preparing and building community and like 2:55:02.680 --> 2:55:06.880 this disaster scenario is gonna yeah, definitely be more in commons. 2:55:06.959 --> 2:55:08.240 And it's not that easy to do. 2:55:08.520 --> 2:55:10.800 I mean, it's not that hard to do now, you know, 2:55:10.959 --> 2:55:12.960 you just got to have the intention and then you 2:55:13.120 --> 2:55:15.520 just got to get together and do it. That's all. 2:55:15.600 --> 2:55:16.720 That's all you really need to do. 2:55:16.840 --> 2:55:19.280 Don't think that it's like this. If someone had said 2:55:19.320 --> 2:55:22.560 to us, what plus or minus fifty thousand people probably 2:55:22.640 --> 2:55:24.360 have come through. I have no idea on the numbers, 2:55:24.360 --> 2:55:25.280 but somewhere around there. 2:55:25.400 --> 2:55:26.480 Yeah, probably more than that. 2:55:26.760 --> 2:55:29.440 Yeah, if we like I remember in May when we 2:55:29.560 --> 2:55:32.600 cleaned up the first o ads, when we were like 2:55:32.640 --> 2:55:34.400 when I first met your mum and dad, John, we 2:55:34.480 --> 2:55:37.040 were cleaning up the first o ads and we were like, wow, 2:55:37.120 --> 2:55:39.040 that was a horrible thing that happened. That was really fucked. 2:55:39.280 --> 2:55:43.080 If someone had said, right, well, between now and next March, 2:55:43.160 --> 2:55:45.080 fifty thousand people will come through here and it's mostly 2:55:45.120 --> 2:55:47.360 going to be you guys who are here picking up trash, 2:55:47.440 --> 2:55:48.120 and that's that's all. 2:55:48.160 --> 2:55:48.640 It's going to be. 2:55:48.720 --> 2:55:50.640 Like it's on you. It would have been it would 2:55:50.640 --> 2:55:54.000 have seemed overwhelming, right, But I don't think people should 2:55:54.080 --> 2:55:58.039 feel afraid to confront these big problems because like between 2:55:58.280 --> 2:56:00.560 the group of people who we've said would hear, we've 2:56:00.560 --> 2:56:03.000 been able to confront this problem and make it survivable 2:56:03.160 --> 2:56:06.840 and treat people with dignity and bring some dignity and 2:56:06.920 --> 2:56:09.200 humanity into a situation where there wasn't any, right. 2:56:10.400 --> 2:56:12.240 Yeah, And there's a role for everybody. No matter what 2:56:12.440 --> 2:56:12.640 you do. 2:56:12.760 --> 2:56:14.960 You can find your niche of what you know, you 2:56:16.040 --> 2:56:18.240 makes you feel good, or something that you're good at, 2:56:18.320 --> 2:56:22.480 you know. Yeah, it's finding the little fascists that destroyed 2:56:22.520 --> 2:56:25.280 our things online and doing all that online footwork, or 2:56:25.360 --> 2:56:29.360 it's building shelters, or it's making PB and J's or. 2:56:29.600 --> 2:56:31.520 Our friends made out website and made a really good 2:56:31.520 --> 2:56:35.039 website website, yeah, or even Yeah, just. 2:56:35.080 --> 2:56:38.360 Being someone that speaks multiple languages is a huge need 2:56:38.400 --> 2:56:41.800 out here, especially I mean Spanish is pretty common, but 2:56:41.879 --> 2:56:45.200 the harder languages, like I mean Mandarin. 2:56:46.200 --> 2:56:48.280 Yeah, yeah, if you speak Mandarin and then you reach 2:56:48.360 --> 2:56:49.880 out to us and when we can call you, then 2:56:49.920 --> 2:56:51.680 that would be huge, right. They could make real in 2:56:51.720 --> 2:56:53.800 a medical emergency that could be a life or death thing. 2:56:54.520 --> 2:56:56.120 So there are a ton of ways to help and 2:56:56.360 --> 2:56:58.480 re encourage people to kind of go up to they can. 2:56:58.800 --> 2:57:01.000 Where can people follow along with YouTube? Do you have 2:57:01.120 --> 2:57:03.280 like social media or anything that you want to plug? 2:57:05.360 --> 2:57:05.680 I don't. 2:57:05.720 --> 2:57:10.119 I'm gonna keep mine frivving the world beautiful. 2:57:11.200 --> 2:57:11.400 Yeah. 2:57:11.520 --> 2:57:14.120 One of the how I got involved in this is 2:57:14.240 --> 2:57:16.480 through members of a drum line that I am part of, 2:57:16.600 --> 2:57:19.119 so we show up for protests, have been since twenty 2:57:19.200 --> 2:57:21.560 twenty direct Action drum Line. 2:57:21.600 --> 2:57:22.199 On Instagram. 2:57:22.360 --> 2:57:25.040 We post a lot of different stuff from organizing for 2:57:25.120 --> 2:57:29.120 Palestine to you know, we were doing a lot of 2:57:29.120 --> 2:57:31.560 Black Lives Matter stuff early in twenty twenty and now 2:57:31.680 --> 2:57:33.680 it's you know, kind of cross mixed with border aids 2:57:33.680 --> 2:57:37.080 since I've been out here, So we occasionally will make 2:57:37.160 --> 2:57:38.760 posts so you can follow along there. 2:57:39.840 --> 2:57:41.840 Alo Gelato is a. 2:57:41.840 --> 2:57:45.720 Good one to follow on social media inco Paul Wellness 2:57:46.560 --> 2:57:49.440 on Instagram Borderlands Relief Collective. 2:57:49.440 --> 2:57:51.520 I'm sure a lot of the people listening already follow 2:57:51.600 --> 2:57:54.440 a lot of these people. But yeah, there's a network 2:57:54.520 --> 2:57:55.000 through all of that. 2:57:55.160 --> 2:57:56.640 And so once you start following one or the other, 2:57:56.720 --> 2:57:58.600 we all tag each other and we share each other's 2:57:58.600 --> 2:58:01.160 stuff so you can get involved and figure out what's 2:58:01.200 --> 2:58:01.520 going on. 2:58:01.959 --> 2:58:05.400 Yeah, and the is it bored? What's the website for? 2:58:05.640 --> 2:58:08.360 That's a great resource? Order ay dot get help dot io. 2:58:08.560 --> 2:58:10.840 I think if you give it a Google somewhere or 2:58:10.879 --> 2:58:12.880 somewhere around that you'll find it. It is a good website. 2:58:12.920 --> 2:58:15.440 And like if you are facing similar issues in your 2:58:15.480 --> 2:58:17.879 community or wherever you are, whatever it is. Like, we've 2:58:17.920 --> 2:58:20.039 definitely made a lot of mistakes and we've learned a lot, 2:58:20.120 --> 2:58:21.920 and so we've tried to document the things that we've 2:58:21.959 --> 2:58:24.080 learned so that you guys don't have to reinvent the 2:58:24.080 --> 2:58:26.920 wheels somewhere else. Right, Like, you know, you can be 2:58:27.120 --> 2:58:29.040 an efficient PB and jamaker just like us. 2:58:30.280 --> 2:58:32.520 Right, learn Suirly's technique. 2:58:34.360 --> 2:58:36.359 All right, thank you so much, guys, I really appreciate 2:58:36.360 --> 2:58:37.160 your time that question. 2:58:37.320 --> 2:58:37.560 Thank you. 2:58:37.879 --> 2:58:44.120 Jeers Hey We'll be back Monday with more episodes every 2:58:44.200 --> 2:58:46.360 week from now until the heat death of the Universe. 2:58:47.000 --> 2:58:49.320 It Could Happen Here as a production of cool Zone Media. 2:58:49.600 --> 2:58:52.240 For more podcasts from cool Zone Media, visit our website 2:58:52.280 --> 2:58:54.480 cool zonemedia dot com, or check us out on the 2:58:54.560 --> 2:58:57.920 iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen to podcasts. 2:58:58.360 --> 2:59:00.480 You can find sources for It Could Happen Here, updated 2:59:00.560 --> 2:59:04.560 monthly at coolzonemedia dot com slash sources. 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