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Speaker 2: Welcome to it could happen here, the podcast that tells

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Speaker 2: you what's going to happen before it's happening. I'm Garrison Davis.

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Speaker 2: Joined with me is Mia Wong Glue. So today we're

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Speaker 2: going to be talking about predictive programming, something that I

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Speaker 2: assume some conspiracy theorist has accused of the show of doing,

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Speaker 2: specifically Robert, but we're not going to talk about us

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Speaker 2: too much. Instead, we're going to talk about the origin

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Speaker 2: of this conspiracy theory and some famous use cases throughout

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Speaker 2: history of how you might have been affected by predictive programming. Listener,

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Speaker 2: So let's start by defining our terms here. Predictive programming

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Speaker 2: is a conspiracy theory that future events are seeded within

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Speaker 2: fictional media like film, TV, video games, and books to

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Speaker 2: subliminally influence the public perception of real world events. But

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Speaker 2: this isn't simply about movies like just predicting the future.

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Speaker 2: It's an intentional method of large scale social conditioning used

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Speaker 2: by a conspiracy of deep state government agents and the

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Speaker 2: entertainment industry. This term was coined by a conspiracy theorist

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Speaker 2: named Alan Watt. Different from the like pop Zen writer

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Speaker 2: Alan Watts. Different guy, just a one letter difference. I'm

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Speaker 2: sure they share some amount of audience crossover, but they

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Speaker 2: are different people. He kind of coined this concept around

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Speaker 2: the early two thousands. From what I can tell, he's

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Speaker 2: a Scottish Canadian conspiracy theorist. Oddly enough, he's kind of

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Speaker 2: one of the least problematic conspiracy theorists that I've run into.

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Speaker 2: Like he's he's openly pushed back on on like anti

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Speaker 2: semitism from David Ike and Alex Jones, Like he just

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Speaker 2: seems to kind of be a silly guy. He died

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Speaker 2: don't know, but he defined predictive programming as the power

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Speaker 2: predictive programming is a subtle form of psychological conditioning provided

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Speaker 2: by the media to acquaint the public with planned societal

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Speaker 2: changes to implemented by the elites. If and when these

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Speaker 2: changes are put through, the public will already be familiarized

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Speaker 2: lessening any possible public resistance and commotion. Predictive programming, therefore,

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Speaker 2: or mind control courtesy of our puppet masters. So that's

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Speaker 2: Alan Watt, that is, that is his definition. Like I said,

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Speaker 2: It is a relatively new conspiracy theory, like it doesn't.

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Speaker 2: It doesn't go all the way back to like, well,

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Speaker 2: the John Birch Society, But the actual term predictive programming

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Speaker 2: and the modern understanding of that term are much more recent.

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Speaker 2: An Ohio State University article on the topic said, quote,

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Speaker 2: predictive programming, at its core is a tactic to reduce

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Speaker 2: So probably the funniest thing he gets to on this

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Speaker 2: unlike a lot of modern conspiracy theorists who like refuse

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Speaker 5: Yeah, you can.

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Speaker 2: great observation. The show actually hasn't made very many predictions.

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Speaker 2: Simpsons actually just have a vastly different context within the show,

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Speaker 2: so it's just a whole bunch of manipulated media. One

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Speaker 2: a glimpse into the future. All right, we are back

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Speaker 1: Hello Robert, Hey, you know Garrison. Once upon a time,

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Speaker 1: I watched a Simpsons episode where homewer Is sides not

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Speaker 1: So the power of predictive programming simply cannot be denied.

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Speaker 1: Because there's a scene in that where Homer closes his

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Speaker 3: Well that's great. Do you know who else is good

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Speaker 3: at predictive programming? Batman?

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Speaker 2: Okay, so we've already talked a little bit about some

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Speaker 2: But those are not the only conspiracy theories around this movie.

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Speaker 2: For the next one, we will turn to the King

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Speaker 1: Ah, there we go.

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Speaker 2: He claims that when the GCPD are trying to track

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Speaker 2: So yeah, Now I've looked into this a decent bit,

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Speaker 2: And this was all based on a conspiracy article titled

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Speaker 8: Just?

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Speaker 1: But clear, folks, there are Sandy Hooks towns named Sandy

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Speaker 2: Satanists worship Saturn, So there you go. Now, Curiously, do

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Speaker 2: you know who else lives in Sandy Hook? Suzanne Collins,

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Speaker 2: our next topic, the Hunger Games. I found this amazing

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Speaker 3: This this blog is glorious.

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Speaker 2: So I will I'll start by bye by reading the

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Speaker 1: I mean, look, he's not entirely wrong. Because of all

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Speaker 3: That's why this one is so fun.

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Speaker 2: It's because, no, like twenty twenty was like a not

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Speaker 1: No, no, I know people who are still fighting in

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Speaker 9: Now.

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Speaker 2: Neil believes that the country of PanAm is quote clearly

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Speaker 1: It's an author who was up late at night looking

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Speaker 2: The region of Arcadia was home to pan and characterized

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Speaker 2: The Hunger Game's capital is an urban forest of the gods.

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Speaker 2: In its classic symbolic reversal of the true meaning, it

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Speaker 2: How you will see something depicted that is like, you know,

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Speaker 2: Similar to David Ike, Neil also notes the Saturnian symbolism,

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Speaker 2: It is also where that links to pandemonium in the

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Speaker 2: good analysis by Neil there.

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Speaker 2: He breaks down PanAm even further, claiming that the letter

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Speaker 3: No, we did, as the Jermatria starnage.

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Speaker 2: experiencer of the twelve signs of the zodiac. There are

435
00:24:58,480 --> 00:25:01,760
Speaker 2: twelve months in the Gregorian sun calendar and thirteen months

436
00:25:01,760 --> 00:25:04,840
Speaker 2: in the lunar calendar. There were thirteen districts, but now

437
00:25:05,000 --> 00:25:09,160
Speaker 2: only twelve remain. There's there were thirteen colonies. The US

438
00:25:09,160 --> 00:25:11,080
Speaker 2: is Satanism, So true, so true.

439
00:25:11,119 --> 00:25:11,600
Speaker 3: Mia.

440
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Speaker 1: There's a lot of talk about how like kids can't

441
00:25:14,400 --> 00:25:17,320
Speaker 1: read anymore because how we fucked up like reading education,

442
00:25:17,640 --> 00:25:20,400
Speaker 1: you know, around like the early aughts and shit, and

443
00:25:20,440 --> 00:25:23,359
Speaker 1: like some the damage that that's done. But this is

444
00:25:23,400 --> 00:25:25,320
Speaker 1: showing that, Like you've got a bunch of boomers who

445
00:25:25,320 --> 00:25:27,880
Speaker 1: are going through these books, who are reading them very carefully,

446
00:25:27,880 --> 00:25:30,239
Speaker 1: who are googling every word in them to see if

447
00:25:30,240 --> 00:25:32,919
Speaker 1: there's different things. Yeah, and they catch all of this,

448
00:25:33,119 --> 00:25:36,320
Speaker 1: like put all this weird maniaction together. But they don't

449
00:25:36,359 --> 00:25:38,399
Speaker 1: just get that, Like, yeah, if you tell kids a

450
00:25:38,440 --> 00:25:42,440
Speaker 1: simple story about another young person overthrowing a tyrannical government,

451
00:25:42,760 --> 00:25:48,000
Speaker 1: maybe they'll burn down their capital building. Absolutely, it's happened before,

452
00:25:48,040 --> 00:25:49,119
Speaker 1: and it'll happen again.

453
00:25:50,480 --> 00:25:53,399
Speaker 2: Neil gets obsessed with all these little, tiny, tiny rabbit

454
00:25:53,400 --> 00:25:56,480
Speaker 2: holes that are ultimately meaningless and like misses the very glaring,

455
00:25:56,520 --> 00:26:00,680
Speaker 2: obvious thing right before his eyes. He says, numbers and

456
00:26:00,760 --> 00:26:04,960
Speaker 2: letters are vibrational codes that affect the subconscious. The more

457
00:26:05,000 --> 00:26:07,679
Speaker 2: I look at Saturn symbolism, the more I see a

458
00:26:07,760 --> 00:26:12,000
Speaker 2: thought form, waveform or a vibrational pattern that permeates the

459
00:26:12,000 --> 00:26:13,520
Speaker 2: collective thinking of humanity.

460
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Speaker 1: Now you miss the obvious and more like there's all

461
00:26:17,840 --> 00:26:21,679
Speaker 1: this obsession with like numerology, and it's like, well no.

462
00:26:21,760 --> 00:26:24,159
Speaker 1: A big part of why the Hunger Games caught on

463
00:26:24,240 --> 00:26:26,400
Speaker 1: to people and was like so easy to like meme

464
00:26:26,520 --> 00:26:29,000
Speaker 1: and spread as part of these revolutionary actions is they

465
00:26:29,040 --> 00:26:31,040
Speaker 1: had like a thing, a hand thing that you did.

466
00:26:31,119 --> 00:26:33,520
Speaker 1: They had a little salute and like kids could do

467
00:26:33,600 --> 00:26:34,320
Speaker 1: it to each other.

468
00:26:34,320 --> 00:26:37,600
Speaker 3: It's the shit. It was not a fan of the salute.

469
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Speaker 3: By the way.

470
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Speaker 1: Well that's good. I'm sure he's got some fascinating opinions

471
00:26:41,440 --> 00:26:42,000
Speaker 1: on that shit.

472
00:26:42,280 --> 00:26:47,200
Speaker 2: Oh, he sure does, and we will hear his extremely

473
00:26:47,280 --> 00:26:50,800
Speaker 2: fascinating opinions on the three finger Salute as well as

474
00:26:50,960 --> 00:26:56,520
Speaker 2: other Hunger Games conspiracies and new upcoming predictive programming conspiracies

475
00:26:56,720 --> 00:27:01,119
Speaker 2: based around the Civil War movie in the next episode.

476
00:27:01,200 --> 00:27:05,359
Speaker 2: So stay tuned tomorrow for even more exciting news on

477
00:27:05,400 --> 00:27:09,200
Speaker 2: how you can predict the future by watching movies. See

478
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Speaker 2: you tomorrow, Welcome back to it could happen here. I'm

479
00:27:27,160 --> 00:27:30,920
Speaker 2: Garrison Davis. I'm joined by Mia and Robert to discuss

480
00:27:31,040 --> 00:27:35,200
Speaker 2: predictive programming. So last episode we talked about the origin

481
00:27:35,280 --> 00:27:40,240
Speaker 2: of this conspiracy theory, how this Canadian Scottish conspiracy theorist

482
00:27:40,280 --> 00:27:43,520
Speaker 2: named Alan Watt came up with this idea that through

483
00:27:43,640 --> 00:27:49,240
Speaker 2: Hollywood movies, TV books, video games, the secret couple of

484
00:27:49,320 --> 00:27:54,000
Speaker 2: shadowy governments is trying to subliminally prepare us to accept

485
00:27:54,320 --> 00:27:57,760
Speaker 2: planned events as they take place in the future by

486
00:27:57,880 --> 00:28:04,000
Speaker 2: putting little hints, shadows, and seeds into our everyday entertainment diet.

487
00:28:04,480 --> 00:28:07,440
Speaker 2: One of the oldest examples that conspiracy theorists will point

488
00:28:07,440 --> 00:28:10,200
Speaker 2: to you as an example of predictive programming is this

489
00:28:10,320 --> 00:28:14,040
Speaker 2: book from the late eighteen hundreds called Futility that talks

490
00:28:14,080 --> 00:28:17,399
Speaker 2: about a fictional ship called the titan which was thought

491
00:28:17,440 --> 00:28:21,040
Speaker 2: to be completely unsinkable, which eventually crashed on an iceberg

492
00:28:21,119 --> 00:28:25,040
Speaker 2: and sank. This obviously it mirrors what happened to the

493
00:28:25,080 --> 00:28:29,320
Speaker 2: Titanic in the decades to follow. So yeah, what are

494
00:28:29,359 --> 00:28:32,200
Speaker 2: we talking about this sort of stuff? Last episode ended

495
00:28:32,280 --> 00:28:35,719
Speaker 2: in our discussion of the Hunger Games, I found this

496
00:28:35,840 --> 00:28:39,360
Speaker 2: old conspiracy blog by this British guy named Neil where

497
00:28:39,400 --> 00:28:43,480
Speaker 2: he talks about all of his theories surrounding the Hunger Games,

498
00:28:43,520 --> 00:28:47,880
Speaker 2: books and movies. So we will return to hear Neil's

499
00:28:47,920 --> 00:28:53,080
Speaker 2: thoughts on the predictive programming implanted into the Hunger Games.

500
00:28:54,320 --> 00:28:59,080
Speaker 2: Neil also has fascinating opinions on trains. He really doesn't

501
00:28:59,160 --> 00:29:00,960
Speaker 2: like that in the Hunger Adams there is a big

502
00:29:01,040 --> 00:29:04,280
Speaker 2: like like train system which he links to like the

503
00:29:05,120 --> 00:29:07,840
Speaker 2: which he links to the European Union's future train plan

504
00:29:07,920 --> 00:29:10,680
Speaker 2: as well as as well as like high speed rail

505
00:29:10,720 --> 00:29:14,360
Speaker 2: plans for North America, which he is very against because

506
00:29:14,440 --> 00:29:15,840
Speaker 2: do you know who else used trains?

507
00:29:17,280 --> 00:29:18,080
Speaker 1: Was it the Nazis?

508
00:29:18,120 --> 00:29:19,520
Speaker 3: Garrison the Nazis?

509
00:29:19,680 --> 00:29:20,480
Speaker 1: Is it the Nazis?

510
00:29:20,520 --> 00:29:21,320
Speaker 3: It's the Nazis, you know?

511
00:29:21,400 --> 00:29:23,520
Speaker 6: You can tell this is an older conspiracy because they

512
00:29:23,560 --> 00:29:25,880
Speaker 6: because they're actually using the Nazis as the people who

513
00:29:25,960 --> 00:29:27,800
Speaker 6: use trains and not like the Soviet Union.

514
00:29:28,160 --> 00:29:29,360
Speaker 1: Yeah.

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00:29:29,640 --> 00:29:32,760
Speaker 2: I think Neil just really likes driving and he thinks

516
00:29:32,760 --> 00:29:35,080
Speaker 2: that driving is like the epitome of freedom. So he

517
00:29:35,160 --> 00:29:37,960
Speaker 2: talks about how like trains are trying to control which

518
00:29:38,000 --> 00:29:39,920
Speaker 2: areas of the country you can go to instead of

519
00:29:40,040 --> 00:29:41,440
Speaker 2: the freedom of the open road.

520
00:29:42,040 --> 00:29:44,320
Speaker 1: I got stuck behind a train and traffic on my

521
00:29:44,360 --> 00:29:46,800
Speaker 1: way to the airport, very frustrated to make me late

522
00:29:46,840 --> 00:29:49,280
Speaker 1: to this call. So I actually I think he's right.

523
00:29:49,560 --> 00:29:50,400
Speaker 1: I'm on board now.

524
00:29:50,640 --> 00:29:53,400
Speaker 2: He also rants about this this this nineteen ninety two

525
00:29:54,200 --> 00:29:57,480
Speaker 2: UN plan called Agenda twenty one about like a big

526
00:29:57,560 --> 00:30:01,640
Speaker 2: environmental management plan with highly condensed humor human settlement zones.

527
00:30:02,120 --> 00:30:05,000
Speaker 2: This is something that both John Birch and Glenn Beck

528
00:30:05,040 --> 00:30:06,480
Speaker 2: were also like, really.

529
00:30:06,640 --> 00:30:10,160
Speaker 1: Alex Jones is huge one. This was the entire conspiracy

530
00:30:10,160 --> 00:30:13,320
Speaker 1: ecosystem for about fifteen years. Couldn't shut the fuck up outage.

531
00:30:13,400 --> 00:30:15,000
Speaker 1: Some of them still go on about it.

532
00:30:15,120 --> 00:30:18,640
Speaker 2: So Neil's upset because that looks similar to like the

533
00:30:18,680 --> 00:30:21,560
Speaker 2: PanAm map of like because PanAm is in like a

534
00:30:21,600 --> 00:30:24,520
Speaker 2: post climate collapse. We have these very condensed areas of

535
00:30:24,560 --> 00:30:28,800
Speaker 2: settlement and like a vast like unusable land mass in America.

536
00:30:29,200 --> 00:30:31,480
Speaker 2: So he has he has this whole thing about that

537
00:30:32,560 --> 00:30:35,640
Speaker 2: he he doesn't like that President Snow looks like the

538
00:30:35,680 --> 00:30:39,680
Speaker 2: Saturnian figure of Cronos, the father of time, who devours children,

539
00:30:40,200 --> 00:30:45,000
Speaker 2: just like just like how President Snow sacrifices children to

540
00:30:45,120 --> 00:30:48,840
Speaker 2: maintain like societal control of PanAm in the Hunger Games.

541
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Speaker 1: You know, let him see my bed, my bathroom. That'll

542
00:30:51,680 --> 00:30:54,959
Speaker 1: uh yeah, really good. In the center of some I

543
00:30:54,960 --> 00:30:58,040
Speaker 1: have a giant copy of the Saturn and Eating his

544
00:30:58,120 --> 00:31:00,760
Speaker 1: Son painting that's like right next to my toilet. It's

545
00:31:00,800 --> 00:31:04,680
Speaker 1: great painting. Also not necessarily about that. They just found

546
00:31:04,720 --> 00:31:06,800
Speaker 1: a painting of a guy eating a guy, and we're like,

547
00:31:06,840 --> 00:31:09,920
Speaker 1: it's probably Saturn that this guy was trying to bait.

548
00:31:10,600 --> 00:31:13,720
Speaker 2: That is the research quality that Neil also does. He's like, yeah,

549
00:31:13,720 --> 00:31:14,800
Speaker 2: it's probably all these things.

550
00:31:14,920 --> 00:31:18,640
Speaker 1: Seems like it's Saturn. Yeah, it seems like it's Saturn. Yeah,

551
00:31:18,840 --> 00:31:21,080
Speaker 1: kind of uncomfortable to imagine it's anyone else.

552
00:31:22,520 --> 00:31:25,920
Speaker 2: Neil also compares the Hunger Games to China's one child

553
00:31:26,080 --> 00:31:28,480
Speaker 2: policy and the population reduction conspiracy.

554
00:31:28,480 --> 00:31:29,800
Speaker 3: Theories of Agenda twenty one.

555
00:31:30,320 --> 00:31:33,040
Speaker 2: Just like in the Hunger Games, it's about having children

556
00:31:33,120 --> 00:31:35,240
Speaker 2: kill each other, just like the one child policy.

557
00:31:35,320 --> 00:31:37,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's that's how China does their one child policy.

558
00:31:38,560 --> 00:31:41,240
Speaker 1: Other children are told to kill children.

559
00:31:42,400 --> 00:31:47,400
Speaker 2: Family back on the revolutionary tract quote. I can't confirm

560
00:31:47,440 --> 00:31:50,000
Speaker 2: that Susan Collins used the archetype of Artemis for her

561
00:31:50,080 --> 00:31:52,960
Speaker 2: character of Catnus, but what can be observed is how

562
00:31:53,000 --> 00:31:56,760
Speaker 2: this female role model is a symbol for revolution, a

563
00:31:56,800 --> 00:31:59,520
Speaker 2: new order, and more importantly, a new world system. This

564
00:31:59,600 --> 00:32:02,680
Speaker 2: is clear the blueprint for a new America. So part

565
00:32:02,720 --> 00:32:05,480
Speaker 2: of this blueprint that he talks about is like implanted

566
00:32:05,480 --> 00:32:08,960
Speaker 2: microchips and a brutal police state that arrests and kills protesters,

567
00:32:09,280 --> 00:32:12,560
Speaker 2: unlike our current police state, which would never arrest or

568
00:32:12,640 --> 00:32:13,360
Speaker 2: kill a protester.

569
00:32:13,520 --> 00:32:15,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, and everyone just carries microchips around.

570
00:32:16,120 --> 00:32:22,760
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, now more more devious than the murder happy police.

571
00:32:23,880 --> 00:32:27,840
Speaker 2: Neil finds the bird symbolism to be including Catnus's dress,

572
00:32:28,080 --> 00:32:31,920
Speaker 2: which transforms into the mocking jay symbol, which, according to Neil,

573
00:32:32,120 --> 00:32:37,320
Speaker 2: looks quote remarkably like a Benu bird of Egypt, as

574
00:32:37,320 --> 00:32:41,320
Speaker 2: well as a phoenix, especially when encircled in fire quote.

575
00:32:41,400 --> 00:32:43,760
Speaker 2: The phoenix is a classic mystery school symbol that relates

576
00:32:43,760 --> 00:32:47,320
Speaker 2: to the unseen forces that transforms the world. Both Catnus

577
00:32:47,360 --> 00:32:49,880
Speaker 2: and Pete's costumes set a fire as they enter the

578
00:32:49,880 --> 00:32:53,000
Speaker 2: arena before the tournament, with Catnus becoming the bird on fire.

579
00:32:53,080 --> 00:32:56,080
Speaker 2: She's the embodiment of the coming transformation, the beginning and

580
00:32:56,120 --> 00:32:59,800
Speaker 2: the end. Catnus and Peda are symbols of Artemis and Apollo,

581
00:32:59,880 --> 00:33:03,440
Speaker 2: the twins and children of the New World Order of Gods.

582
00:33:03,920 --> 00:33:06,440
Speaker 2: Smokeless fire is also a major symbol used by the

583
00:33:06,480 --> 00:33:12,240
Speaker 2: Illuminati and is their vehicle to communicate with the Arkans.

584
00:33:12,680 --> 00:33:15,480
Speaker 2: He never goes into further detail of a.

585
00:33:15,720 --> 00:33:19,720
Speaker 1: Yes, smokeless powder is what made war possible, so you

586
00:33:19,760 --> 00:33:22,760
Speaker 1: know there's other things. It's not just the Illuminati. We

587
00:33:22,840 --> 00:33:24,080
Speaker 1: use it for fireworks too.

588
00:33:24,640 --> 00:33:28,120
Speaker 2: Catnus is the woman closed in fire sun in the

589
00:33:28,120 --> 00:33:31,480
Speaker 2: Book of Revelation and the EU, the United Nations and

590
00:33:31,520 --> 00:33:35,200
Speaker 2: the Security Council replicate the symbolism a phoenix rising out

591
00:33:35,200 --> 00:33:36,240
Speaker 2: of the tyranny and war.

592
00:33:36,640 --> 00:33:38,000
Speaker 3: It's all reversed.

593
00:33:37,600 --> 00:33:40,960
Speaker 2: Symbolism, of course, because these bodies are set to administer

594
00:33:41,080 --> 00:33:45,120
Speaker 2: the world Army, police and the future New World Order unquote.

595
00:33:45,600 --> 00:33:49,520
Speaker 2: Though he's there complaining about a United Nations mural that

596
00:33:49,600 --> 00:33:52,600
Speaker 2: was made after World War Two about a phoenix of

597
00:33:52,640 --> 00:33:55,240
Speaker 2: peace rising from the ashes of war, and houses actually

598
00:33:55,560 --> 00:33:58,959
Speaker 2: reversed symbolism because they're actually going to be, you know,

599
00:33:59,240 --> 00:34:02,880
Speaker 2: laying out this global, one world government calling at peace.

600
00:34:03,440 --> 00:34:03,640
Speaker 4: You know.

601
00:34:04,240 --> 00:34:06,880
Speaker 2: He also talks more about the Book of Revelation and

602
00:34:06,960 --> 00:34:10,400
Speaker 2: how twelve and thirteen combined and the unification of the

603
00:34:10,440 --> 00:34:14,000
Speaker 2: new World just like in the Bible, and then finally

604
00:34:14,080 --> 00:34:18,040
Speaker 2: to get to that three that three finger salute quote.

605
00:34:18,320 --> 00:34:20,439
Speaker 2: It's interesting when you dig a little deeper and find

606
00:34:20,440 --> 00:34:24,160
Speaker 2: that Catnus's salute is reminiscent of a certain Nazi youth

607
00:34:24,200 --> 00:34:27,440
Speaker 2: salutes found in Eastern Europe in the late nineteen thirties.

608
00:34:28,040 --> 00:34:28,960
Speaker 3: He's and he's.

609
00:34:28,800 --> 00:34:30,880
Speaker 2: Also quite concerned by the new adoption of the salute

610
00:34:30,880 --> 00:34:33,600
Speaker 2: by the Girl Scouts, despite the three finger salute being

611
00:34:33,680 --> 00:34:35,560
Speaker 2: used in Scout organizations for over a century.

612
00:34:36,080 --> 00:34:39,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, like the boy Scouts have a lot are sinister,

613
00:34:39,520 --> 00:34:42,839
Speaker 1: but not because of the salute, now is the least

614
00:34:42,880 --> 00:34:46,400
Speaker 1: of the problem was a brief moment of reprieve for

615
00:34:46,480 --> 00:34:50,000
Speaker 1: a lot of those boys getting to do a salute.

616
00:34:49,880 --> 00:34:52,480
Speaker 2: And then he also says, quote it's no surprise that

617
00:34:52,520 --> 00:34:56,560
Speaker 2: the mocking jpin also looks similar to a Nazi gunner badge, because,

618
00:34:56,680 --> 00:34:59,759
Speaker 2: as I've all shown, the bird is the symbol for

619
00:34:59,800 --> 00:35:02,680
Speaker 2: the power of revolution, a new order that goes all

620
00:35:02,719 --> 00:35:04,680
Speaker 2: the way back to the Holy Roman Empire.

621
00:35:04,760 --> 00:35:06,200
Speaker 1: And these are the guys will be like, look at

622
00:35:06,200 --> 00:35:08,680
Speaker 1: the mocking Jay symbol. It's similar to Then they'll see

623
00:35:08,680 --> 00:35:11,400
Speaker 1: like a Scout sniper flag that looks like the SS

624
00:35:11,480 --> 00:35:14,080
Speaker 1: logo and go, well, there's clearly nothing related to that.

625
00:35:16,920 --> 00:35:19,279
Speaker 2: And then we will we will close this section by

626
00:35:19,360 --> 00:35:24,200
Speaker 2: by continuing on the revolutionary elements. Quote what kind of

627
00:35:24,239 --> 00:35:27,279
Speaker 2: revolution does Catnus symbolize? Are the youth of today being

628
00:35:27,320 --> 00:35:30,759
Speaker 2: readied for another revolution followed by another dictatorship? How many

629
00:35:30,760 --> 00:35:32,960
Speaker 2: more celebrities are we going to see being used as

630
00:35:33,000 --> 00:35:37,360
Speaker 2: a mouthpiece for revolution. I am all for peaceful revolution

631
00:35:37,680 --> 00:35:40,680
Speaker 2: based on respect and love, but the movies never portray

632
00:35:40,760 --> 00:35:44,080
Speaker 2: that kind of revolution. A peaceful revolution is one inspired

633
00:35:44,120 --> 00:35:47,279
Speaker 2: by the inner world of imagination and not necessarily the

634
00:35:47,280 --> 00:35:49,920
Speaker 2: outer world of this five sensus. The type of revolution

635
00:35:49,960 --> 00:35:52,040
Speaker 2: that the elite would want us to unfold here would

636
00:35:52,080 --> 00:35:55,120
Speaker 2: be one born of pandemonium. The illuminati, in those who

637
00:35:55,120 --> 00:35:58,560
Speaker 2: control of the current global empire in the making, love

638
00:35:58,600 --> 00:36:01,439
Speaker 2: to hide their agenda in planes, within commercial so called

639
00:36:01,480 --> 00:36:04,440
Speaker 2: fictitious movies, and in the media industry in general. The

640
00:36:04,520 --> 00:36:07,400
Speaker 2: Hunger Games is the script for the totalitarian, elite ruled

641
00:36:07,440 --> 00:36:10,400
Speaker 2: brutal police state. The agenda's repeatedly being laid out in

642
00:36:10,440 --> 00:36:12,839
Speaker 2: front of our very eyes, both in real everyday life

643
00:36:12,840 --> 00:36:15,200
Speaker 2: and in things we choose to expose ourselves within the

644
00:36:15,280 --> 00:36:17,200
Speaker 2: so called entertainment industry.

645
00:36:18,520 --> 00:36:20,719
Speaker 3: This is one of these things where all of these

646
00:36:20,719 --> 00:36:24,320
Speaker 3: conspiracy theories center around the fact that people, for reasons

647
00:36:24,320 --> 00:36:26,400
Speaker 3: that are incomprehensible to be believed that the thing the

648
00:36:26,520 --> 00:36:29,360
Speaker 3: US government wants you to do is shoot guns at them.

649
00:36:29,760 --> 00:36:32,960
Speaker 3: Yes right, No, no, they don't. I guarantee they don't

650
00:36:32,960 --> 00:36:34,440
Speaker 3: want you to shoot machine guns out there.

651
00:36:34,600 --> 00:36:37,759
Speaker 1: They would like you to spend money and go to work.

652
00:36:38,320 --> 00:36:40,839
Speaker 1: That's the primary thing the US government wants you to do.

653
00:36:40,920 --> 00:36:43,239
Speaker 1: Pay your taxes without too much fuss.

654
00:36:43,719 --> 00:36:45,520
Speaker 3: Do you know what else the US government wants you

655
00:36:45,560 --> 00:36:48,000
Speaker 3: to do, Robert, I.

656
00:36:47,920 --> 00:36:49,640
Speaker 1: Know a number of things the US government wants me

657
00:36:49,680 --> 00:36:52,320
Speaker 1: to do, Garrison, but I won't. I will not stop

658
00:36:52,360 --> 00:36:54,759
Speaker 1: telling people to take colloidal silver for all of their

659
00:36:54,760 --> 00:36:57,120
Speaker 1: health care problems. The only way to really carry out

660
00:36:57,120 --> 00:37:02,400
Speaker 1: the revolution starts with putting silver in your body.

661
00:37:11,120 --> 00:37:12,840
Speaker 3: All right, we are back.

662
00:37:13,120 --> 00:37:15,880
Speaker 2: I've actually always wanted to do the topical silver and

663
00:37:15,920 --> 00:37:17,000
Speaker 2: get that like blue skin.

664
00:37:17,040 --> 00:37:18,480
Speaker 3: I thought that'd be kind of cool.

665
00:37:19,239 --> 00:37:20,600
Speaker 1: You have to do a lot of it, cares.

666
00:37:21,600 --> 00:37:25,520
Speaker 3: I'm well aware, like we can achieve this with body paint.

667
00:37:25,920 --> 00:37:28,720
Speaker 1: I do find it very funny that they're so obsessed

668
00:37:28,760 --> 00:37:31,480
Speaker 1: with like the Hunger Games as this like this is

669
00:37:31,520 --> 00:37:33,799
Speaker 1: the elite showing you how they're going to crack down

670
00:37:33,800 --> 00:37:36,480
Speaker 1: on all of us, and then when it actually when

671
00:37:36,520 --> 00:37:39,279
Speaker 1: the Hunger Games inspires an actual revolution, it's like the

672
00:37:39,280 --> 00:37:43,120
Speaker 1: one that gets no support from any like Spook agency

673
00:37:43,200 --> 00:37:47,360
Speaker 1: and the only one. There's no CIA, no FSB, fucking nothing,

674
00:37:47,520 --> 00:37:50,840
Speaker 1: like it's just a bunch of teenagers and their books

675
00:37:50,840 --> 00:37:52,320
Speaker 1: and three D printers.

676
00:37:52,000 --> 00:37:54,120
Speaker 2: I mean, And like looking back at at that Hunger

677
00:37:54,120 --> 00:37:57,439
Speaker 2: Game section, it's always interesting how people like this they're

678
00:37:57,480 --> 00:38:00,400
Speaker 2: like in the real world, very like probe police in

679
00:38:00,440 --> 00:38:03,000
Speaker 2: a lot of cases, but then also being like they're

680
00:38:03,000 --> 00:38:06,319
Speaker 2: trying to instill a police state. Right, it's get to

681
00:38:06,640 --> 00:38:08,160
Speaker 2: they get to eat their cake. And have it too,

682
00:38:08,480 --> 00:38:12,920
Speaker 2: where they are both pro law enforcement but also anti

683
00:38:13,080 --> 00:38:16,880
Speaker 2: this like imagined evil version of law enforcement that's always

684
00:38:16,880 --> 00:38:18,680
Speaker 2: like right on the cusp of being introduced.

685
00:38:19,160 --> 00:38:21,640
Speaker 1: There's a through line there, which is that they are

686
00:38:21,960 --> 00:38:28,080
Speaker 1: anti whatever it seems like people are telling them. Is like, obviously, okay,

687
00:38:28,280 --> 00:38:31,520
Speaker 1: it's it's it's oppositional, definant. It's the same reason why,

688
00:38:31,640 --> 00:38:33,799
Speaker 1: like you think that you're on You're living in a

689
00:38:33,840 --> 00:38:36,040
Speaker 1: normal earth, so it's got to be a hollow earth, right,

690
00:38:36,560 --> 00:38:39,720
Speaker 1: Like it's this if something is popular, if a movie's popular,

691
00:38:39,800 --> 00:38:42,480
Speaker 1: it can't just be a movie that people liked. And

692
00:38:42,520 --> 00:38:45,879
Speaker 1: if it's like, you know, I saw a Hunger Game,

693
00:38:45,960 --> 00:38:47,719
Speaker 1: the first Hunger Games movie, and I tried to read

694
00:38:47,760 --> 00:38:49,600
Speaker 1: the books, and I was like, nah, I can't read

695
00:38:49,640 --> 00:38:52,680
Speaker 1: these you know, they're not they were not written for me.

696
00:38:52,920 --> 00:38:55,200
Speaker 1: Like it's it's just I was not interested in them.

697
00:38:55,400 --> 00:38:57,319
Speaker 1: And that's all I really thought about it. But like

698
00:38:57,719 --> 00:39:00,759
Speaker 1: certain people, if they see something popular and they don't

699
00:39:00,760 --> 00:39:04,160
Speaker 1: immediately fall in love with it, they have to come

700
00:39:04,239 --> 00:39:06,319
Speaker 1: up with some reason why it's sinister, and it's the

701
00:39:06,360 --> 00:39:10,360
Speaker 1: same thing that leads them to reject everything else, right that,

702
00:39:11,000 --> 00:39:14,279
Speaker 1: Like if other people like something and I don't get it,

703
00:39:14,480 --> 00:39:17,239
Speaker 1: or I feel weird, I don't understand it, then it

704
00:39:17,280 --> 00:39:20,000
Speaker 1: has to be a fucking conspiracy like that used to

705
00:39:20,000 --> 00:39:23,000
Speaker 1: be one percent of this country, and through social media

706
00:39:23,360 --> 00:39:26,200
Speaker 1: it's become like half of us. Because it's a deeply

707
00:39:26,719 --> 00:39:27,920
Speaker 1: addictive way to feel.

708
00:39:28,800 --> 00:39:31,040
Speaker 2: I think the most sinister thing about the new Hunger

709
00:39:31,080 --> 00:39:33,919
Speaker 2: Games is that they did not put nearly enough Hunter

710
00:39:33,960 --> 00:39:35,080
Speaker 2: Shaver in that movie.

711
00:39:35,719 --> 00:39:37,160
Speaker 1: So let's know who that is.

712
00:39:37,400 --> 00:39:39,200
Speaker 3: Let's continue to the last time.

713
00:39:39,320 --> 00:39:43,040
Speaker 1: That's got to be predictive Hunter Shaver. So they're wanted. Okay,

714
00:39:43,080 --> 00:39:46,879
Speaker 1: So this is like very clearly, well, no, I could

715
00:39:46,960 --> 00:39:48,799
Speaker 1: go into like I could go into like they're trying

716
00:39:48,800 --> 00:39:50,759
Speaker 1: to make the kids trans right, they wanted to like

717
00:39:50,840 --> 00:39:56,520
Speaker 1: hunt down their parents, shaved right in shape, you know.

718
00:39:58,200 --> 00:39:58,600
Speaker 4: On Earth.

719
00:39:58,960 --> 00:40:00,920
Speaker 1: Well, I'm saying you could eat turned it into a

720
00:40:00,920 --> 00:40:03,160
Speaker 1: conspiracy theory, Garrison, you could make it work.

721
00:40:04,160 --> 00:40:06,399
Speaker 2: So last thing we are to talk about the new

722
00:40:06,520 --> 00:40:09,320
Speaker 2: hit movie Leave the World Behind.

723
00:40:09,160 --> 00:40:14,360
Speaker 3: A Garrison made me watch this. I'm never gonna forgive

724
00:40:14,400 --> 00:40:15,600
Speaker 3: them for it.

725
00:40:15,680 --> 00:40:17,239
Speaker 2: One of it is it is one of the most

726
00:40:17,280 --> 00:40:21,359
Speaker 2: recent examples of a movie sparking predictive programming conspiracies. It's

727
00:40:21,440 --> 00:40:24,680
Speaker 2: by the creator of mister Robot, which retroactively makes mister

728
00:40:24,760 --> 00:40:25,560
Speaker 2: Robot much worse.

729
00:40:25,920 --> 00:40:26,200
Speaker 3: Now.

730
00:40:26,400 --> 00:40:28,400
Speaker 2: There is a few reasons why this movie has caused

731
00:40:28,400 --> 00:40:31,520
Speaker 2: so much uproar, a major factor being that it's produced

732
00:40:31,560 --> 00:40:35,839
Speaker 2: by the Obamas, as in the presidents very responsible. There is,

733
00:40:35,880 --> 00:40:39,680
Speaker 2: there is, there's Havana syndrome references discussion of an evil

734
00:40:39,719 --> 00:40:43,080
Speaker 2: cabal that runs the world, plans to collapse the United States,

735
00:40:43,360 --> 00:40:46,520
Speaker 2: and the two child leads wear t shirts that read

736
00:40:46,680 --> 00:40:49,680
Speaker 2: obey and NASA, respectively, which has been the cause of

737
00:40:49,719 --> 00:40:50,600
Speaker 2: a lot of discourse.

738
00:40:52,440 --> 00:40:57,560
Speaker 8: Obey NASA, Yeah.

739
00:40:55,880 --> 00:40:58,239
Speaker 3: The Left's long term plan.

740
00:41:01,560 --> 00:41:01,799
Speaker 4: Book.

741
00:41:01,920 --> 00:41:04,440
Speaker 1: Several of the letters in NASA are also in Stalin.

742
00:41:04,520 --> 00:41:05,960
Speaker 1: Are you gonna tell me that's a coincidence?

743
00:41:06,760 --> 00:41:07,080
Speaker 4: Yeah?

744
00:41:07,120 --> 00:41:10,759
Speaker 2: Probably, I will, I will now. I will now share this,

745
00:41:11,000 --> 00:41:14,880
Speaker 2: share this clip from Steve Bannon, who had a Dutch

746
00:41:15,080 --> 00:41:18,320
Speaker 2: far right e girl on his show to discuss the movie.

747
00:41:18,480 --> 00:41:20,640
Speaker 1: Oh he's doing good, then, so he's doing good.

748
00:41:20,680 --> 00:41:21,120
Speaker 4: That's good.

749
00:41:21,560 --> 00:41:22,640
Speaker 1: I was worried about Steve.

750
00:41:23,960 --> 00:41:26,520
Speaker 11: Okay, so we see a movie here now that is

751
00:41:26,560 --> 00:41:31,000
Speaker 11: co produced by the Obama's about the potential potential cyber

752
00:41:31,120 --> 00:41:35,200
Speaker 11: attack which causes mayhem, obviously, and I saw it, and

753
00:41:35,239 --> 00:41:39,000
Speaker 11: it reminded me an awful lot of the narrative portrayed

754
00:41:39,000 --> 00:41:41,520
Speaker 11: in a video published about two years.

755
00:41:41,320 --> 00:41:43,000
Speaker 12: Ago by the World Economic Forum.

756
00:41:43,480 --> 00:41:46,680
Speaker 11: And this was a video in which they supposedly warned

757
00:41:46,840 --> 00:41:49,840
Speaker 11: us for a cyber pandemic.

758
00:41:50,080 --> 00:41:52,120
Speaker 12: Interesting choice of words there.

759
00:41:52,360 --> 00:41:55,560
Speaker 11: And they detail what could happen if we are under

760
00:41:55,560 --> 00:41:58,480
Speaker 11: a cyber attack, and that the only way that we

761
00:41:58,560 --> 00:42:02,040
Speaker 11: could solve and attack like that would be to disconnect

762
00:42:02,080 --> 00:42:06,440
Speaker 11: everything and everyone completely from the Internet. So I figured,

763
00:42:06,960 --> 00:42:10,400
Speaker 11: this seems to me like a classic case of predictive

764
00:42:10,520 --> 00:42:14,000
Speaker 11: programming where not just the World Economic Forum, but now

765
00:42:14,080 --> 00:42:17,680
Speaker 11: also through movies and you know, fictional stories, they are

766
00:42:17,680 --> 00:42:21,320
Speaker 11: trying to prepare the public to the idea of cyber

767
00:42:21,400 --> 00:42:24,200
Speaker 11: attacks and the potential chaos that could come with that.

768
00:42:25,200 --> 00:42:28,360
Speaker 2: So that is that is her her big problems with

769
00:42:28,360 --> 00:42:30,160
Speaker 2: the movie, which we'll see we'll see echoed in a

770
00:42:30,200 --> 00:42:33,040
Speaker 2: lot of the people we talk about here with the

771
00:42:33,080 --> 00:42:37,200
Speaker 2: World Economic Forums warning about a big cyber attack. She

772
00:42:37,239 --> 00:42:40,200
Speaker 2: then went on to rant about the movies anti white sentiments,

773
00:42:40,239 --> 00:42:43,040
Speaker 2: probably from the Obama's involvement.

774
00:42:43,480 --> 00:42:45,640
Speaker 3: Clearly, yeah, she has.

775
00:42:45,800 --> 00:42:48,680
Speaker 2: She has almost a million followers followers on Twitter. Is

776
00:42:49,280 --> 00:42:52,960
Speaker 2: wild also because she's Dutch. Her last name is and

777
00:42:53,000 --> 00:42:58,800
Speaker 2: I shit you not. Vlardinger broke so great great stuff

778
00:42:58,840 --> 00:43:00,000
Speaker 2: happening in the Dutch.

779
00:43:00,000 --> 00:43:02,280
Speaker 1: Wh Yeah, what is that predicting.

780
00:43:02,760 --> 00:43:06,160
Speaker 2: For a summary of the movie, all at this conspiracy theory,

781
00:43:06,200 --> 00:43:09,759
Speaker 2: TikTok explain the basic themes that we'll be discussing here.

782
00:43:10,520 --> 00:43:13,200
Speaker 9: Essentially, the movie is about the downfall of civilization and

783
00:43:13,239 --> 00:43:15,360
Speaker 9: how it's done in three steps. First step being that

784
00:43:15,400 --> 00:43:17,440
Speaker 9: the government is going to be toppled from within, the

785
00:43:17,480 --> 00:43:19,839
Speaker 9: next one that it's going to be littered with disinformation

786
00:43:19,880 --> 00:43:23,040
Speaker 9: and misinformation to confuse the masses and to create chaos.

787
00:43:23,080 --> 00:43:25,000
Speaker 9: The third step, if the first and second step are

788
00:43:25,040 --> 00:43:27,560
Speaker 9: done correctly, is going to cause basically a civil war,

789
00:43:27,640 --> 00:43:30,279
Speaker 9: causing the paranoid and problematic to start turning on each other.

790
00:43:30,280 --> 00:43:32,920
Speaker 9: The Little Girl is obsessed with the last episode of

791
00:43:32,960 --> 00:43:35,839
Speaker 9: Friends called How It Ends, which is interesting because the

792
00:43:35,880 --> 00:43:39,120
Speaker 9: star of the movie, Julia Roberts, also dated Matthew Perry

793
00:43:39,200 --> 00:43:42,120
Speaker 9: way way back, Matthew Perry, who also passed away earlier

794
00:43:42,160 --> 00:43:45,440
Speaker 9: this year. The movie also references like billionaires and their bunkers,

795
00:43:45,480 --> 00:43:49,160
Speaker 9: and it references the Cabal on way more than one occasion.

796
00:43:49,200 --> 00:43:52,400
Speaker 9: The heart of it is that the Cabal has fallen,

797
00:43:52,560 --> 00:43:54,919
Speaker 9: and so nobody is in charge, and this is what's

798
00:43:55,040 --> 00:43:58,160
Speaker 9: leading to the fall of the United States of America. Essentially,

799
00:43:58,320 --> 00:44:01,520
Speaker 9: it has a very predictive programming feel to it. And

800
00:44:01,560 --> 00:44:04,520
Speaker 9: I mean with the Obamas and the constant references to water.

801
00:44:04,600 --> 00:44:07,239
Speaker 9: Planes crash in the water and a boat called the

802
00:44:07,280 --> 00:44:10,480
Speaker 9: White Lion runs up on shore from the ocean. Everybody

803
00:44:10,560 --> 00:44:13,160
Speaker 9: wants water. They're constantly drinking water. Here's some water. You

804
00:44:13,160 --> 00:44:15,840
Speaker 9: want some water? Didn't the Obama chef just drowned. I

805
00:44:15,880 --> 00:44:19,680
Speaker 9: can't watch anything anymore. I can't enjoy Summon Up. The

806
00:44:19,840 --> 00:44:22,120
Speaker 9: entire movie itself doesn't even have a plot. There's no

807
00:44:22,280 --> 00:44:24,720
Speaker 9: real storyline to this movie, and the ending is awful.

808
00:44:24,760 --> 00:44:27,200
Speaker 9: If I if I were not paying attention like I am,

809
00:44:27,520 --> 00:44:29,800
Speaker 9: I would think the movie would be terrible. There's no resolution,

810
00:44:29,840 --> 00:44:32,520
Speaker 9: there's no real start. It just seems like it's just here,

811
00:44:32,840 --> 00:44:35,560
Speaker 9: just here, it's just telling you. And one more thing.

812
00:44:35,600 --> 00:44:38,320
Speaker 9: It talks about microwave e MP.

813
00:44:38,800 --> 00:44:41,640
Speaker 3: Like, okay, that's that's that's.

814
00:44:41,280 --> 00:44:48,480
Speaker 1: That their brains are so melted that like they can't

815
00:44:48,480 --> 00:44:51,000
Speaker 1: see a movie made in the image of all of

816
00:44:51,040 --> 00:44:53,920
Speaker 1: their fears is made in the image of all their fears.

817
00:44:54,239 --> 00:44:58,120
Speaker 1: Like the whole it's so sunsettling. It doesn't even start properly,

818
00:44:58,200 --> 00:45:02,120
Speaker 1: it's just it just begins just in it. Like, man,

819
00:45:02,160 --> 00:45:03,800
Speaker 1: that's that's kind of how a movie goes.

820
00:45:04,120 --> 00:45:05,960
Speaker 2: I like how she talks about She like she like

821
00:45:06,040 --> 00:45:09,120
Speaker 2: can't enjoy movies anymore, which is like the end result

822
00:45:09,200 --> 00:45:11,879
Speaker 2: of all these all these conspiracy theorists, Like they just

823
00:45:12,120 --> 00:45:14,480
Speaker 2: they just can't enjoy life because they see everything as

824
00:45:14,520 --> 00:45:17,160
Speaker 2: this series of like interconnected incidents leading to some kind

825
00:45:17,160 --> 00:45:20,040
Speaker 2: of grand narrative that makes it impossible to like actually

826
00:45:20,040 --> 00:45:23,800
Speaker 2: like be happy, which is probably the funniest thing. Also

827
00:45:23,920 --> 00:45:27,319
Speaker 2: that she thinks the movie predicted the death of the

828
00:45:27,360 --> 00:45:30,319
Speaker 2: Obama's chef, which I don't don't even know if that's real.

829
00:45:30,920 --> 00:45:33,359
Speaker 1: If you're one of these people, that's the most significant

830
00:45:33,360 --> 00:45:36,080
Speaker 1: thing that's happened the last eighteen months. The Obama chef

831
00:45:36,120 --> 00:45:39,200
Speaker 1: and Matthew Perry are like the Rosetta Stone for everything

832
00:45:39,239 --> 00:45:42,839
Speaker 1: that's wrong in society, and not just two people who died,

833
00:45:43,000 --> 00:45:43,919
Speaker 1: because it's a year.

834
00:45:44,120 --> 00:45:46,719
Speaker 2: Because Matthew Perry used to date Jessica Roberts, who's the

835
00:45:46,719 --> 00:45:49,240
Speaker 2: star of the movie, of course, and there's friends references

836
00:45:49,280 --> 00:45:51,880
Speaker 2: all throughout the film so it's all connected.

837
00:45:51,640 --> 00:45:56,920
Speaker 1: Subtle friends' references in very subtleind you miss him if

838
00:45:56,960 --> 00:45:57,880
Speaker 1: you don't pay attention.

839
00:45:58,960 --> 00:46:02,600
Speaker 2: So the the last conspiracy theorist I want to talk

840
00:46:02,600 --> 00:46:06,719
Speaker 2: about is this is this like metaphysical influencer named Tristan

841
00:46:06,960 --> 00:46:10,880
Speaker 2: Haggard who spends most of his time on stream selling

842
00:46:11,320 --> 00:46:13,959
Speaker 2: hormone supplements for men so that they could boost their

843
00:46:14,160 --> 00:46:18,400
Speaker 2: testosterone and stop being soy boys. While discussing various conspiracies.

844
00:46:19,320 --> 00:46:20,520
Speaker 1: Love it, he.

845
00:46:20,520 --> 00:46:25,240
Speaker 2: Says, quote cyber attacks, bio warfare, weaponized limes disease, lone

846
00:46:25,280 --> 00:46:28,480
Speaker 2: star tick, chronic wasting disease, things that get you to

847
00:46:28,520 --> 00:46:33,120
Speaker 2: stop eating meat. These things, these types of these types

848
00:46:33,160 --> 00:46:36,839
Speaker 2: of programs are seated throughout the film. I feel like

849
00:46:37,040 --> 00:46:38,839
Speaker 2: the tick bite and a lot of that stuff might

850
00:46:38,840 --> 00:46:42,280
Speaker 2: have been a little bit of that DARPA extracurricular script editions.

851
00:46:42,520 --> 00:46:45,120
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, unquote.

852
00:46:45,080 --> 00:46:47,319
Speaker 1: Yeah sure, yeah, of course. The fact that a kid

853
00:46:47,320 --> 00:46:49,520
Speaker 1: gets bit by a tick and gets all fucked up

854
00:46:50,080 --> 00:46:52,680
Speaker 1: is like trying to stop you from eating are.

855
00:46:52,360 --> 00:46:55,360
Speaker 3: Trying to stop you from eating meat? Quote.

856
00:46:55,480 --> 00:46:57,840
Speaker 2: I feel like the average normy might not put together

857
00:46:57,920 --> 00:47:05,400
Speaker 2: the limes disease possible by weapon connection unquote. Amazing yeah,

858
00:47:05,680 --> 00:47:08,000
Speaker 2: I don't think the average an army might might not

859
00:47:08,120 --> 00:47:09,160
Speaker 2: put that one together.

860
00:47:10,080 --> 00:47:10,279
Speaker 9: You know.

861
00:47:10,400 --> 00:47:12,279
Speaker 1: That does suggest to me that all these people are

862
00:47:12,280 --> 00:47:15,239
Speaker 1: gonna die in thirty seconds if there's any real kind

863
00:47:15,280 --> 00:47:18,520
Speaker 1: of unrest because their attitude towards the idea of disease

864
00:47:18,760 --> 00:47:22,240
Speaker 1: is that was planted by the New World Order. Yeah,

865
00:47:22,840 --> 00:47:24,840
Speaker 1: people won't get sick now.

866
00:47:25,760 --> 00:47:27,719
Speaker 2: These two guys on this stream also said that they

867
00:47:28,320 --> 00:47:30,720
Speaker 2: had to stop watching Mister Robot in the third season

868
00:47:30,760 --> 00:47:33,840
Speaker 2: because there were too many quote unquote gay scenes, which

869
00:47:33,880 --> 00:47:34,960
Speaker 2: is really funny.

870
00:47:35,520 --> 00:47:37,319
Speaker 1: I had to stop watching it in this first season

871
00:47:37,360 --> 00:47:40,439
Speaker 1: because I don't like Remy Mallick. But you know, see

872
00:47:40,560 --> 00:47:42,680
Speaker 1: I was are built different I had.

873
00:47:43,200 --> 00:47:45,319
Speaker 2: I had to keep watching just for Christians later, but

874
00:47:45,400 --> 00:47:45,920
Speaker 2: that's just me.

875
00:47:46,480 --> 00:47:48,200
Speaker 1: He did make it hard to quit.

876
00:47:48,440 --> 00:47:48,800
Speaker 5: Yeah.

877
00:47:48,920 --> 00:48:02,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, So most of the time, these two guys on

878
00:48:02,480 --> 00:48:05,360
Speaker 2: their conspiracy podcast just complain about how Ethan Hawk is

879
00:48:05,360 --> 00:48:08,200
Speaker 2: a weak little soy boy and all of the and

880
00:48:08,200 --> 00:48:10,080
Speaker 2: and and and all and all of the quote unquote

881
00:48:10,080 --> 00:48:13,360
Speaker 2: by POC people were more like put together and more commanding,

882
00:48:13,719 --> 00:48:16,759
Speaker 2: they constantly say BYEPAK, which is an interesting choice from

883
00:48:16,760 --> 00:48:17,000
Speaker 2: that that.

884
00:48:17,120 --> 00:48:21,320
Speaker 1: Is really fascinating, especially since Mahershall Ali's daughter isn't really

885
00:48:21,360 --> 00:48:23,760
Speaker 1: a character in that movie, Marshall law Ali is okay

886
00:48:23,920 --> 00:48:27,719
Speaker 1: because he's he's a great, great actor. But like, it's

887
00:48:27,760 --> 00:48:30,799
Speaker 1: not like, it's not like all of the characters who

888
00:48:30,840 --> 00:48:33,840
Speaker 1: aren't white or like written stirringly. Well, most of the

889
00:48:33,920 --> 00:48:38,080
Speaker 1: characters of this movie are written like dog shits things.

890
00:48:38,239 --> 00:48:43,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, but Tristan here says, quote, there's so much predictive

891
00:48:43,360 --> 00:48:46,480
Speaker 2: programming and social engineering of how the mechanics of possible

892
00:48:46,520 --> 00:48:49,439
Speaker 2: collapse of the power grid, collapse and the communications would

893
00:48:49,480 --> 00:48:52,960
Speaker 2: result in basically chaos. And then I have I have

894
00:48:53,000 --> 00:48:55,960
Speaker 2: this little clip here of him talking talking about the

895
00:48:56,080 --> 00:48:58,160
Speaker 2: big cyber attack right now.

896
00:48:58,160 --> 00:48:59,680
Speaker 13: A lot of people are saying, oh, this is predictive

897
00:48:59,680 --> 00:49:02,200
Speaker 13: program They're going to do this cyber attack. And you know,

898
00:49:02,400 --> 00:49:04,000
Speaker 13: we've been talking about this type of stuff for years,

899
00:49:04,080 --> 00:49:07,640
Speaker 13: right with the cyber polygon on exercises and the World

900
00:49:07,719 --> 00:49:16,160
Speaker 13: Economic Forum, and you're working with defense contractors in military intelligence, whatnot,

901
00:49:16,200 --> 00:49:19,200
Speaker 13: working on the possible scenario of a cyber attack. Right

902
00:49:19,320 --> 00:49:22,360
Speaker 13: the cyber attack is one of these scenarios that they're saying,

903
00:49:22,680 --> 00:49:26,000
Speaker 13: it's got to happen, it's coming, the big cyber attacks coming.

904
00:49:26,320 --> 00:49:29,680
Speaker 13: But I feel like films like this, The intention could

905
00:49:29,719 --> 00:49:32,560
Speaker 13: be to make people so afraid of just the mere

906
00:49:32,640 --> 00:49:34,719
Speaker 13: possibility of a total collapse like.

907
00:49:34,800 --> 00:49:38,520
Speaker 2: This, so they obviously sound like they know what they're

908
00:49:38,560 --> 00:49:42,680
Speaker 2: talking about there. That's very very very polished. Now Tristan

909
00:49:42,719 --> 00:49:47,640
Speaker 2: thinks that he has a better idea to kind of

910
00:49:47,680 --> 00:49:48,520
Speaker 2: seed collapse.

911
00:49:48,640 --> 00:49:49,040
Speaker 3: Quote.

912
00:49:49,280 --> 00:49:51,000
Speaker 2: A better way to implement this would be to not

913
00:49:51,040 --> 00:49:53,719
Speaker 2: really roll out a huge wide scale power outages and

914
00:49:53,760 --> 00:49:57,839
Speaker 2: communications outages, but make it up protracted, small and localized

915
00:49:58,040 --> 00:49:59,600
Speaker 2: so that you can still maintain a certain level of

916
00:49:59,640 --> 00:50:02,799
Speaker 2: propagand and control, and then create enough fear to where

917
00:50:02,840 --> 00:50:06,920
Speaker 2: people will accept the mandatory digital ID for the Internet

918
00:50:07,120 --> 00:50:10,640
Speaker 2: and the Central Bank digital currencies and whatnot. It's like

919
00:50:10,680 --> 00:50:12,960
Speaker 2: a limited type of thing, a regional type of thing

920
00:50:13,120 --> 00:50:15,480
Speaker 2: that then is hyped up to be the worst thing ever.

921
00:50:15,640 --> 00:50:16,200
Speaker 3: Unquote.

922
00:50:16,719 --> 00:50:19,760
Speaker 2: These guys are really like talking about this mandatory digital

923
00:50:19,800 --> 00:50:22,920
Speaker 2: ID and the Central Bank digital currencies as being this

924
00:50:22,960 --> 00:50:26,960
Speaker 2: big threat and there's going to just be any day

925
00:50:26,960 --> 00:50:29,080
Speaker 2: this this this cyber attack which is gonna which is

926
00:50:29,080 --> 00:50:31,359
Speaker 2: going to force us to all adopt this this uh,

927
00:50:31,600 --> 00:50:34,880
Speaker 2: this digital ID to be able to sign into the internet. Quote,

928
00:50:35,160 --> 00:50:37,520
Speaker 2: all you have to do is have most of the

929
00:50:37,560 --> 00:50:40,920
Speaker 2: normal people afraid enough of the possible scenario and tease it.

930
00:50:40,920 --> 00:50:44,400
Speaker 2: It's almost like a cyber attack brinksmanship type of thing unquote,

931
00:50:44,719 --> 00:50:47,200
Speaker 2: so they think that, you know, you don't actually need

932
00:50:47,200 --> 00:50:49,000
Speaker 2: to have the cyber attack, you just need to have

933
00:50:49,040 --> 00:50:52,000
Speaker 2: people afraid enough that it could happen by by talking

934
00:50:52,000 --> 00:50:56,319
Speaker 2: about it in media, film, TV, you know, all all this.

935
00:50:56,280 --> 00:50:56,920
Speaker 3: Sort of stuff.

936
00:50:57,520 --> 00:51:00,560
Speaker 1: You can't even get people to like change their past words.

937
00:51:00,640 --> 00:51:04,600
Speaker 2: Like it's so funny because like the past few months,

938
00:51:04,600 --> 00:51:06,319
Speaker 2: there actually has been a decent number of.

939
00:51:06,280 --> 00:51:09,040
Speaker 3: Cyber attacks constantly, yes, which.

940
00:51:08,800 --> 00:51:11,440
Speaker 2: Are yeah, like a very like a constant influx, which

941
00:51:11,480 --> 00:51:13,840
Speaker 2: are all just being constantly handled, and it's it's not

942
00:51:13,960 --> 00:51:17,520
Speaker 2: led to any of these massive apocalyptic scenarios that they're

943
00:51:17,560 --> 00:51:18,120
Speaker 2: talking about.

944
00:51:18,800 --> 00:51:21,279
Speaker 1: No, I mean, like the movie has. Part of how

945
00:51:21,320 --> 00:51:23,879
Speaker 1: the movie has to make this, like has to make it,

946
00:51:24,120 --> 00:51:26,240
Speaker 1: Like why the movie is set in the middle of nowhere,

947
00:51:26,320 --> 00:51:27,960
Speaker 1: is that if it's set in a city and the

948
00:51:28,000 --> 00:51:31,279
Speaker 1: internet goes out, the way people would actually respond would

949
00:51:31,320 --> 00:51:33,080
Speaker 1: be like the way they respond when there's just some

950
00:51:33,120 --> 00:51:36,919
Speaker 1: sort of random outage. Initially like like uh, oh shit,

951
00:51:37,040 --> 00:51:38,759
Speaker 1: my phone doesn't work right now, I guess I've got

952
00:51:38,760 --> 00:51:41,920
Speaker 1: to figure something else out for a second. Like it's

953
00:51:42,080 --> 00:51:46,680
Speaker 1: it's easier to have it seem disconnected and like completely

954
00:51:46,719 --> 00:51:49,760
Speaker 1: disorienting when you have everybody like out in the middle

955
00:51:49,800 --> 00:51:52,880
Speaker 1: of nowhere without other people around to make shit makes sense.

956
00:51:54,080 --> 00:51:56,319
Speaker 2: I'm gonna play Well, what one more clip from from

957
00:51:56,360 --> 00:51:57,799
Speaker 2: Tristan's livestream here.

958
00:51:59,000 --> 00:52:00,800
Speaker 14: I feel like also, I mean, they haven't they have

959
00:52:00,920 --> 00:52:05,480
Speaker 14: been building all of this technocracy stuff to throw it away, right,

960
00:52:05,480 --> 00:52:08,759
Speaker 14: They've been building it to implement it. So if there

961
00:52:08,960 --> 00:52:12,279
Speaker 14: was an outage or the cyber attack or whatever, this

962
00:52:12,320 --> 00:52:15,560
Speaker 14: would be some temporary, limited thing, you know, hyped up

963
00:52:15,600 --> 00:52:18,920
Speaker 14: into oblivion and oh it was all the Trump Maga people,

964
00:52:19,120 --> 00:52:20,920
Speaker 14: or it was all the Christians that did it to

965
00:52:20,960 --> 00:52:23,560
Speaker 14: go working with Russia, Right, That's what they're gonna say.

966
00:52:23,960 --> 00:52:28,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, totally. They're gonna blame the big cyber attack

967
00:52:28,360 --> 00:52:32,359
Speaker 2: on the Trump Christians. That's gonna be who's gonna who's

968
00:52:32,360 --> 00:52:33,720
Speaker 2: gonna launch the big attack?

969
00:52:33,920 --> 00:52:37,080
Speaker 8: Totally absolutely to everyone will assume knew how to do

970
00:52:37,239 --> 00:52:43,480
Speaker 8: a hack is the Trumpers. Yeah, first we taught them

971
00:52:43,520 --> 00:52:46,759
Speaker 8: how to change the settings on their smart TV, and

972
00:52:46,840 --> 00:52:48,280
Speaker 8: now they've hacked the planet.

973
00:52:48,560 --> 00:52:51,359
Speaker 2: What do you do as soon as you turn off

974
00:52:51,360 --> 00:52:54,000
Speaker 2: motion smoothing, then you're ready to go. They're gonna hack

975
00:52:54,080 --> 00:52:58,920
Speaker 2: the system, get in, shut everything down. Oh so this

976
00:52:59,000 --> 00:53:01,759
Speaker 2: Tristan guy was getting like hundreds of dollars in super

977
00:53:01,800 --> 00:53:04,360
Speaker 2: chats on this stream. He's he's verified on YouTube, he

978
00:53:04,400 --> 00:53:07,399
Speaker 2: has over one hundred thousand subscribers, and he is one

979
00:53:07,400 --> 00:53:11,719
Speaker 2: of the has some of the like not not very

980
00:53:11,760 --> 00:53:14,759
Speaker 2: hidden anti semitism, but like, I am kind of surprised

981
00:53:14,800 --> 00:53:16,840
Speaker 2: that he's able to say as much as he is

982
00:53:16,920 --> 00:53:19,960
Speaker 2: while still being verified and getting all this money, because

983
00:53:20,080 --> 00:53:22,080
Speaker 2: he has this line towards the end of his of

984
00:53:22,160 --> 00:53:25,040
Speaker 2: his stream quote, the little girl is inside the house

985
00:53:25,040 --> 00:53:27,080
Speaker 2: with the bunker that everyone else was trying to go to,

986
00:53:27,320 --> 00:53:31,520
Speaker 2: and she's sitting at the table surrounded by like goy slop.

987
00:53:31,920 --> 00:53:34,640
Speaker 2: She's just got all the freaking kibbl foods like Funians

988
00:53:34,680 --> 00:53:37,879
Speaker 2: and doritos. She's having a feast of gluttony. It's all

989
00:53:37,920 --> 00:53:42,480
Speaker 2: freaking globo homo kibble, fruity pebbles and stuff. She's just

990
00:53:42,560 --> 00:53:46,240
Speaker 2: gluttonously consuming a bunch of you know, trash processed foods.

991
00:53:46,360 --> 00:53:49,719
Speaker 2: She's just all alone, just looking kind of autistic. Unquote

992
00:53:50,840 --> 00:53:54,080
Speaker 2: what the fuck? So, yeah, he's just talking about like

993
00:53:54,239 --> 00:53:56,960
Speaker 2: goy slop, like there's like the like, like the Jews

994
00:53:56,960 --> 00:53:59,080
Speaker 2: are creating junk food to pacify.

995
00:53:59,280 --> 00:54:01,120
Speaker 1: I want you to eat worms and stuff.

996
00:54:01,360 --> 00:54:06,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, So that is most of most of his

997
00:54:07,480 --> 00:54:10,880
Speaker 2: interesting opinions. I'll leave the world behind at a pretty

998
00:54:10,920 --> 00:54:11,560
Speaker 2: bad movie.

999
00:54:12,120 --> 00:54:14,959
Speaker 1: A pretty bad movie. You know, there is one real

1000
00:54:15,080 --> 00:54:17,359
Speaker 1: conspiracy theory about it, and it has nothing to do

1001
00:54:17,400 --> 00:54:21,120
Speaker 1: with the Obamas or predictive programming. We see a character

1002
00:54:21,200 --> 00:54:24,759
Speaker 1: at the beginning of the movie, a survivalist, prepping to

1003
00:54:24,840 --> 00:54:27,040
Speaker 1: take care of his family even though no one knows

1004
00:54:27,080 --> 00:54:29,800
Speaker 1: a disastro is coming, and later knew. The end of

1005
00:54:29,840 --> 00:54:33,040
Speaker 1: the movie, when Ethan Hawk's son is sick, we meet

1006
00:54:33,239 --> 00:54:35,759
Speaker 1: the survivalist again. It turns out he's a handyman who

1007
00:54:35,760 --> 00:54:37,680
Speaker 1: lives in the edge of town, and he's played by

1008
00:54:37,760 --> 00:54:43,160
Speaker 1: Kevin Bacon now Garrison. In the classic film Trimmers, Kevin

1009
00:54:43,280 --> 00:54:47,320
Speaker 1: Bacon plays a handyman character who with his friend Earl

1010
00:54:47,400 --> 00:54:50,960
Speaker 1: Bassett played by Fred Ward, has to fight off an

1011
00:54:51,000 --> 00:54:56,160
Speaker 1: attack by subterranean ancient giant worm beasts in order to

1012
00:54:56,239 --> 00:55:00,600
Speaker 1: save himself in his small community and Dune. In Just

1013
00:55:00,640 --> 00:55:03,800
Speaker 1: like Dune, Garrison and in the lore of the Trimmers movies,

1014
00:55:04,400 --> 00:55:07,839
Speaker 1: Val McKee. Kevin Bacon's character is not seen in further

1015
00:55:07,920 --> 00:55:10,840
Speaker 1: movies because he gets rich and he marries Ronda le

1016
00:55:10,960 --> 00:55:13,160
Speaker 1: Beck and they move off somewhere. Maybe they moved to

1017
00:55:13,239 --> 00:55:16,680
Speaker 1: the northeast, to an island off the coast of the

1018
00:55:16,760 --> 00:55:19,880
Speaker 1: East Coast, where he bought a house and became a

1019
00:55:19,920 --> 00:55:24,160
Speaker 1: survivalist prepper informed by his experiences with his good friend

1020
00:55:24,239 --> 00:55:28,040
Speaker 1: Bert Gummer, the local survivalist who shot a giant worm

1021
00:55:28,120 --> 00:55:31,480
Speaker 1: to death and maybe leave the world behind. As a

1022
00:55:31,560 --> 00:55:35,280
Speaker 1: stealth sequel to the first Trimmers movie, showing what Kevin

1023
00:55:35,320 --> 00:55:37,200
Speaker 1: Bacon's character does later in life.

1024
00:55:37,680 --> 00:55:40,080
Speaker 2: I would be so much more of a fan of

1025
00:55:40,120 --> 00:55:42,480
Speaker 2: SAMs Mill if he if he tried to, if he

1026
00:55:42,480 --> 00:55:46,000
Speaker 2: tried to put the Tremor's movies into the canon of

1027
00:55:46,160 --> 00:55:47,680
Speaker 2: mister Robot like.

1028
00:55:47,719 --> 00:55:49,400
Speaker 1: It would have been, it would have been perfect. I

1029
00:55:49,440 --> 00:55:52,200
Speaker 1: would have completely changed my opinion on this movie. He

1030
00:55:52,320 --> 00:55:54,120
Speaker 1: shout up to Kevin Bacon's house and he'd come out

1031
00:55:54,160 --> 00:55:55,920
Speaker 1: with a gun, and they'd been like, look, we just

1032
00:55:55,920 --> 00:55:58,880
Speaker 1: need some antibiotics. He's like, antibiotics, what about the fucking worms?

1033
00:55:58,880 --> 00:56:01,560
Speaker 1: How are you people walking around? And then the movie

1034
00:56:01,640 --> 00:56:03,759
Speaker 1: ends at the end of the movie it was all

1035
00:56:03,800 --> 00:56:04,760
Speaker 1: a Trimmers sequel.

1036
00:56:05,000 --> 00:56:09,640
Speaker 2: You you you Korean Iranian terrorists went into the wrong

1037
00:56:09,840 --> 00:56:10,399
Speaker 2: reck roof.

1038
00:56:13,280 --> 00:56:15,400
Speaker 3: So I lastly just.

1039
00:56:15,360 --> 00:56:16,920
Speaker 2: Want to talk a little bit about some of like,

1040
00:56:17,000 --> 00:56:20,040
Speaker 2: you know, the obvious problems with this predictive programming idea, right.

1041
00:56:20,160 --> 00:56:23,319
Speaker 2: It completely annoys the fact that humans use art as

1042
00:56:23,320 --> 00:56:27,320
Speaker 2: a form of cultural creation, like we imagine futures in

1043
00:56:27,480 --> 00:56:29,920
Speaker 2: our art specifically because they could come into being, like

1044
00:56:29,960 --> 00:56:31,640
Speaker 2: a lot of a lot of like sci fi that

1045
00:56:31,680 --> 00:56:35,880
Speaker 2: influences technology comes from this. Then that's also kind of

1046
00:56:35,880 --> 00:56:38,560
Speaker 2: the basis of of Mark Fisher and Nick Lan's like

1047
00:56:38,600 --> 00:56:42,160
Speaker 2: a cultural hyperstition where you specifically make art to have

1048
00:56:42,200 --> 00:56:44,399
Speaker 2: this larger cultural effect that then it can bring things

1049
00:56:44,440 --> 00:56:47,360
Speaker 2: into being as opposed to the more like individualistic like

1050
00:56:47,520 --> 00:56:50,600
Speaker 2: use of like occultism. And then a big, a big

1051
00:56:50,640 --> 00:56:52,800
Speaker 2: part of all of this, this predictive programming thing is

1052
00:56:52,840 --> 00:56:55,759
Speaker 2: also just like apaphenia, right, It's it's people creating connections

1053
00:56:55,760 --> 00:56:58,840
Speaker 2: and patterns and random data because it's it's actually easy

1054
00:56:58,880 --> 00:57:02,200
Speaker 2: to look back, can pick out past media that has

1055
00:57:02,200 --> 00:57:05,760
Speaker 2: seemingly predicted events, but it's much harder to identify current

1056
00:57:05,840 --> 00:57:08,680
Speaker 2: media that is actually predicting future events. Right, this is

1057
00:57:08,719 --> 00:57:11,320
Speaker 2: this is a part of hindsight bias, the tendency that

1058
00:57:11,360 --> 00:57:13,360
Speaker 2: we have to look at past events is more predictable

1059
00:57:13,480 --> 00:57:16,240
Speaker 2: than what they actually were. It is it's a common

1060
00:57:16,280 --> 00:57:19,680
Speaker 2: psychological response to a traumatic event like like a big

1061
00:57:19,720 --> 00:57:23,440
Speaker 2: pandemic or a school shooting. There's also you know, all

1062
00:57:23,480 --> 00:57:26,280
Speaker 2: of these all of these predicted programming theories fall into

1063
00:57:26,280 --> 00:57:30,400
Speaker 2: these kind of contradictory depictions. Which is why the which

1064
00:57:30,440 --> 00:57:32,880
Speaker 2: is why the Hunger Games guy like uh calls it

1065
00:57:32,920 --> 00:57:37,440
Speaker 2: like reverse symbolism. Right, it's it's if this if if

1066
00:57:37,480 --> 00:57:40,120
Speaker 2: predictive programming is orchestrated by a shadowy cabal seeking to

1067
00:57:40,120 --> 00:57:43,680
Speaker 2: implement a totalitarian takeover by normalizing an incredibly oppressive government.

1068
00:57:44,280 --> 00:57:44,480
Speaker 10: Uh.

1069
00:57:44,560 --> 00:57:47,400
Speaker 2: In media and film TV, why is the said media

1070
00:57:47,440 --> 00:57:50,720
Speaker 2: almost exclusively about like rebel heroes overthrowing and evil to

1071
00:57:50,760 --> 00:57:53,720
Speaker 2: talitarian government. Right, it doesn't, it doesn't actually match. And

1072
00:57:53,760 --> 00:57:56,160
Speaker 2: there's been a lot of like cultural studies showing that

1073
00:57:57,120 --> 00:58:00,280
Speaker 2: whether you portray something in media as positive or negative

1074
00:58:00,520 --> 00:58:05,000
Speaker 2: will strongly affect the audience's takeaway of the stimulus. So

1075
00:58:05,280 --> 00:58:08,200
Speaker 2: if you show something positively, they're more likely to view

1076
00:58:08,240 --> 00:58:10,920
Speaker 2: it as a positive thing. If you show something negatively,

1077
00:58:11,120 --> 00:58:12,880
Speaker 2: they're more likely to view it as a negative thing. Right.

1078
00:58:12,880 --> 00:58:14,960
Speaker 2: This sounds very obvious, but you do have to do

1079
00:58:15,000 --> 00:58:17,080
Speaker 2: like social science to actually like show this is a

1080
00:58:17,120 --> 00:58:21,160
Speaker 2: real pattern. And then finally, I will end this by

1081
00:58:21,280 --> 00:58:25,800
Speaker 2: quoting from that article from the Ohio State University quote,

1082
00:58:26,200 --> 00:58:28,440
Speaker 2: there are a few purposes for predictive programming, and not

1083
00:58:28,480 --> 00:58:31,040
Speaker 2: all of them have to deal with tyranny. Some of

1084
00:58:31,080 --> 00:58:33,040
Speaker 2: them are meant to lessen the blow of an event

1085
00:58:33,120 --> 00:58:35,240
Speaker 2: like nine to eleven or as previously mentioned, at the

1086
00:58:35,240 --> 00:58:39,439
Speaker 2: Sandy Hook shootings. The contradiction arises when thinking about why

1087
00:58:39,480 --> 00:58:41,680
Speaker 2: the government would want to warn us or prepare us

1088
00:58:41,680 --> 00:58:44,360
Speaker 2: for Sandy Hook. The whole point of Sandy Hook conspiracies

1089
00:58:44,520 --> 00:58:47,160
Speaker 2: is to doubt the event even happened, so the government

1090
00:58:47,200 --> 00:58:51,240
Speaker 2: would create a conversation around gun control. This would defeat

1091
00:58:51,280 --> 00:58:53,480
Speaker 2: the purpose of staging it if the government was trying

1092
00:58:53,480 --> 00:58:58,880
Speaker 2: to ensure a smaller or inexistent response unquote. Especially like

1093
00:58:58,920 --> 00:59:01,360
Speaker 2: looking back at what we talk about with like the Simpsons,

1094
00:59:01,760 --> 00:59:04,040
Speaker 2: it's it's just a fun game people play, right, Like

1095
00:59:04,200 --> 00:59:06,200
Speaker 2: it's it sounds like a fun a fun world to

1096
00:59:06,400 --> 00:59:09,200
Speaker 2: to to live in. If you can imagine this interconnected web,

1097
00:59:09,200 --> 00:59:12,480
Speaker 2: connecting every single thing that happens to your own experiences.

1098
00:59:12,680 --> 00:59:14,120
Speaker 3: It's it's it's it's.

1099
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Speaker 2: A way to turn turn the world into like this,

1100
00:59:17,560 --> 00:59:19,640
Speaker 2: this great mystery that you can solve instead of just

1101
00:59:19,680 --> 00:59:21,240
Speaker 2: like experiences that you have to live through.

1102
00:59:22,280 --> 00:59:23,880
Speaker 3: These people need real hobbies.

1103
00:59:24,520 --> 00:59:27,600
Speaker 2: Like Finally, the thing I wanted to mention is that

1104
00:59:28,360 --> 00:59:32,000
Speaker 2: the the upcoming discussion of predictive programming is all centered

1105
00:59:32,040 --> 00:59:35,280
Speaker 2: around this movie coming out next month called Civil War,

1106
00:59:37,240 --> 00:59:40,520
Speaker 2: which many many of these people in their discussion of

1107
00:59:40,560 --> 00:59:44,000
Speaker 2: Leave the World Behind are are are very much talking

1108
00:59:44,000 --> 00:59:46,760
Speaker 2: about how Civil War just seems like a sequel to

1109
00:59:46,840 --> 00:59:49,400
Speaker 2: Leave the World Behind, because Leave the World Behind seems

1110
00:59:49,400 --> 00:59:51,720
Speaker 2: like it's set up like a possible American civil war,

1111
00:59:52,000 --> 00:59:54,840
Speaker 2: and how this upcoming movie is itself going to be

1112
00:59:55,120 --> 01:00:00,120
Speaker 2: a massive predictive programming operation to prepare American citizens for

1113
01:00:00,280 --> 01:00:03,520
Speaker 2: civil conflict with each other. So have fun seeing a

1114
01:00:03,520 --> 01:00:06,680
Speaker 2: whole bunch of conspiracy theories develop around this movie that

1115
01:00:06,760 --> 01:00:07,840
Speaker 2: comes out next month.

1116
01:00:08,760 --> 01:00:11,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, that'll be that'll be good. I mean, I wish

1117
01:00:11,360 --> 01:00:14,640
Speaker 1: people would start some conspiracy theories around. Alex Garland's TV

1118
01:00:14,760 --> 01:00:19,720
Speaker 1: showed devs, which is dog shit also and one of

1119
01:00:19,760 --> 01:00:21,880
Speaker 1: the one of the worst uses of that guy from

1120
01:00:21,880 --> 01:00:25,360
Speaker 1: Parks and rec that I've seen in a long time. Heartbreaking.

1121
01:00:26,480 --> 01:00:28,760
Speaker 1: They use math to see the past, Garrison.

1122
01:00:29,720 --> 01:00:31,520
Speaker 2: That kind of reminds me of this movie I watched

1123
01:00:31,520 --> 01:00:36,240
Speaker 2: for research called Knowing with with Nick Cage, who finds

1124
01:00:36,280 --> 01:00:38,720
Speaker 2: a piece of paper that has something that's able to

1125
01:00:38,840 --> 01:00:42,760
Speaker 2: predict like catastrophic events. Alex Jones thought this movie predicted

1126
01:00:42,800 --> 01:00:45,360
Speaker 2: an oil rig explosion in the Gulf of Mexico. But

1127
01:00:45,440 --> 01:00:48,640
Speaker 2: besides that, you don't see it. You don't really see

1128
01:00:48,680 --> 01:00:51,000
Speaker 2: it much in these in these circles, despite its very

1129
01:00:51,040 --> 01:00:53,800
Speaker 2: like obvious, like predictive focus.

1130
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Speaker 4: Yeah.

1131
01:00:54,480 --> 01:00:58,240
Speaker 1: Mostly Dev's features a bunch of very good actors standing

1132
01:00:58,280 --> 01:01:01,000
Speaker 1: around and staring at a screen where grainy picture of

1133
01:01:01,080 --> 01:01:05,320
Speaker 1: Jesus from the past is lit up in like movie

1134
01:01:05,360 --> 01:01:09,760
Speaker 1: theater size screens like it's it's it's very it's very mid.

1135
01:01:09,840 --> 01:01:12,120
Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying about DEVS. It's pretty mid. Folks

1136
01:01:12,120 --> 01:01:12,960
Speaker 1: don't watch DEVS.

1137
01:01:13,200 --> 01:01:16,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, same thing with this Obama movie. So, yeah,

1138
01:01:16,480 --> 01:01:18,680
Speaker 2: watch out for the Obama's new movies, which are all

1139
01:01:18,760 --> 01:01:21,600
Speaker 2: gonna see the collapse of humanity, as well as the

1140
01:01:21,680 --> 01:01:25,280
Speaker 2: A twenty four The War movie, which is probably probably

1141
01:01:25,320 --> 01:01:28,080
Speaker 2: devious in some way, so have fun with that.

1142
01:01:28,640 --> 01:01:28,840
Speaker 10: You know.

1143
01:01:29,800 --> 01:01:32,680
Speaker 1: I'll say this, Barack Obama, it's not his fault, obviously

1144
01:01:32,840 --> 01:01:34,920
Speaker 1: that a bunch of racists lost their mind when he

1145
01:01:34,960 --> 01:01:38,440
Speaker 1: became president, But knowing that it was kind of responsible

1146
01:01:38,440 --> 01:01:43,000
Speaker 1: for him to make his debut movie production a movie

1147
01:01:43,120 --> 01:01:47,880
Speaker 1: about a cabal taking over the government using secret weapons.

1148
01:01:47,920 --> 01:01:49,600
Speaker 3: Absolutely, you knew what was.

1149
01:01:49,600 --> 01:01:52,440
Speaker 1: Going to happen, Barack. You're not a dumb man to

1150
01:01:52,480 --> 01:01:54,560
Speaker 1: tell me that's not what was going to happen.

1151
01:01:54,880 --> 01:01:58,240
Speaker 2: Absolutely, all right, Well, I think that does it for

1152
01:01:58,320 --> 01:02:14,600
Speaker 2: us today. Have fun predicting the end of this episode.

1153
01:02:16,200 --> 01:02:19,640
Speaker 10: Hello, good morning, good afternoon, good evening, and night. I'm

1154
01:02:19,760 --> 01:02:23,000
Speaker 10: Andrew Sage and I run the YouTube channel Andrewism. But

1155
01:02:23,600 --> 01:02:26,800
Speaker 10: this is it could happen here today. I'm carrying on

1156
01:02:26,840 --> 01:02:32,440
Speaker 10: my discussion of everyone's favorite subject, collapse. I'm here, of

1157
01:02:32,480 --> 01:02:39,440
Speaker 10: course with Garrison, and last time we spoke about the what, why,

1158
01:02:39,480 --> 01:02:42,320
Speaker 10: and how of collapse, as well as in many ways

1159
01:02:42,320 --> 01:02:45,520
Speaker 10: people respond when confronted with this crisis. So if you're

1160
01:02:45,520 --> 01:02:48,560
Speaker 10: curious about that, you can listen to the previous discussion.

1161
01:02:49,840 --> 01:02:52,080
Speaker 10: One thing I didn't touch on last time was the

1162
01:02:52,120 --> 01:02:55,600
Speaker 10: various levels of awareness that people have about collapse, because

1163
01:02:55,720 --> 01:02:58,320
Speaker 10: as with most things in this life, it exists on

1164
01:02:58,360 --> 01:03:01,280
Speaker 10: more of a spectrum than anything. We're all on this

1165
01:03:01,520 --> 01:03:05,320
Speaker 10: learning journey and some people are further along, if you

1166
01:03:05,320 --> 01:03:10,400
Speaker 10: could even really relate, it's not way than others. Some

1167
01:03:10,440 --> 01:03:15,520
Speaker 10: discussions of collapse are informed by author Paula Shafferka's Stages

1168
01:03:16,000 --> 01:03:20,480
Speaker 10: of Collapse. There are five stages in total, and the

1169
01:03:20,520 --> 01:03:23,560
Speaker 10: first stage is dead asleep, which is where you're really

1170
01:03:23,640 --> 01:03:26,000
Speaker 10: just vibing. You know, you can see some issues in

1171
01:03:26,000 --> 01:03:29,600
Speaker 10: the world here and there, but that could be fixed, right.

1172
01:03:29,840 --> 01:03:31,960
Speaker 10: All we had to do is organize a bit better,

1173
01:03:32,240 --> 01:03:36,200
Speaker 10: change our behaviors, slightly tweak the rules, and we'll be fine.

1174
01:03:36,560 --> 01:03:38,240
Speaker 10: But then you move on to the next stage, which

1175
01:03:38,280 --> 01:03:42,560
Speaker 10: is the awareness of one fundamental problem is when you realize, oh,

1176
01:03:42,600 --> 01:03:45,960
Speaker 10: there's something structurally wrong. What you only see in one

1177
01:03:46,080 --> 01:03:49,640
Speaker 10: part of that structural flow, so it seems everything is

1178
01:03:49,680 --> 01:03:53,320
Speaker 10: not you know, cash money, you know, maybe fond about

1179
01:03:53,320 --> 01:03:57,640
Speaker 10: the depths of systemic racism or imperialism, or overfission or

1180
01:03:57,960 --> 01:04:02,600
Speaker 10: mass extinction or fracket. And you know, as one does,

1181
01:04:02,640 --> 01:04:04,400
Speaker 10: you start to freak out a little bit. You know,

1182
01:04:04,480 --> 01:04:06,960
Speaker 10: maybe you mobilize to bring some awareness of this issue,

1183
01:04:07,200 --> 01:04:09,800
Speaker 10: just so people know that you know something is wrong,

1184
01:04:10,320 --> 01:04:13,760
Speaker 10: let's fix it, and that one problem can even consume

1185
01:04:13,800 --> 01:04:16,920
Speaker 10: you entirely. And then consuming all that knowledge about that

1186
01:04:17,000 --> 01:04:20,920
Speaker 10: one problem, you keep learning, and if you really do

1187
01:04:21,120 --> 01:04:24,000
Speaker 10: keep learning and are open to learn more and more

1188
01:04:24,040 --> 01:04:27,800
Speaker 10: about the issue, eventually reach an awareness of many problems.

1189
01:04:27,800 --> 01:04:30,840
Speaker 10: The next stage. The more you learn, the more you worry.

1190
01:04:31,160 --> 01:04:33,400
Speaker 10: You take in all sorts of information and begin to

1191
01:04:33,440 --> 01:04:37,560
Speaker 10: see how complex and multifaceted the world's problems are. Now

1192
01:04:37,560 --> 01:04:39,360
Speaker 10: it's hard for you to even prioritize which is so

1193
01:04:39,480 --> 01:04:42,240
Speaker 10: need to be tell first. In fact, it's so overwhelmed

1194
01:04:42,440 --> 01:04:45,320
Speaker 10: you do have be reluctant to acknowledge new problems because

1195
01:04:45,360 --> 01:04:48,440
Speaker 10: you already have so much on your plate. Alas, you

1196
01:04:48,520 --> 01:04:51,920
Speaker 10: cannot ignore the other problems forever, not unless you want

1197
01:04:51,920 --> 01:04:54,560
Speaker 10: to keep running in circles. So you get to the

1198
01:04:54,600 --> 01:04:58,000
Speaker 10: stage of awareness of the interconnections between the many problems,

1199
01:04:58,760 --> 01:05:00,520
Speaker 10: it starts to dawn on you that there are no

1200
01:05:00,600 --> 01:05:04,800
Speaker 10: easy solutions. Shutting down factory farms mainly off millions and

1201
01:05:04,840 --> 01:05:08,120
Speaker 10: leave perhaps hundreds of millions for a complete meal, or

1202
01:05:08,200 --> 01:05:10,400
Speaker 10: efforts to raise the standard of living in the developing

1203
01:05:10,440 --> 01:05:13,760
Speaker 10: world through industrialization in the footsteps of the developed world

1204
01:05:14,400 --> 01:05:17,640
Speaker 10: just might accelerate the Earth demise and profit a select

1205
01:05:17,720 --> 01:05:20,800
Speaker 10: few at least you thinking on the systems level, now

1206
01:05:21,320 --> 01:05:24,880
Speaker 10: beyond the symptoms towards the source. Perhaps there is no

1207
01:05:25,240 --> 01:05:29,560
Speaker 10: one solution, Perhaps the gravity of such a solution maybe

1208
01:05:29,800 --> 01:05:34,560
Speaker 10: too much to pay. So finally, at the last stage,

1209
01:05:34,920 --> 01:05:39,080
Speaker 10: you get to awareness that the predicament encompasses all aspects

1210
01:05:39,120 --> 01:05:42,160
Speaker 10: of life, so much so you might even pine after

1211
01:05:42,280 --> 01:05:45,560
Speaker 10: ignorance as you realize that this series of problems, or

1212
01:05:45,600 --> 01:05:50,560
Speaker 10: rather this all encompassing capital p predicament, includes everything we do,

1213
01:05:51,040 --> 01:05:53,520
Speaker 10: how we do, what we do, how we relate, and

1214
01:05:53,560 --> 01:05:56,760
Speaker 10: how we affect the entire planet. The predicaments is so

1215
01:05:56,840 --> 01:05:59,000
Speaker 10: massive you might even reach a point where you're just like,

1216
01:05:59,520 --> 01:06:03,240
Speaker 10: there is no capital s solution to this capital be predicament,

1217
01:06:03,600 --> 01:06:06,320
Speaker 10: no easy answer, no quick fix, and you can't do

1218
01:06:06,400 --> 01:06:10,320
Speaker 10: it alone. So now what now? In the last episode,

1219
01:06:10,440 --> 01:06:13,400
Speaker 10: I would have spoken about a couple of different responses

1220
01:06:14,000 --> 01:06:20,840
Speaker 10: that people have had to collapse slumber, denial, apathy, preoccupation, hedonism,

1221
01:06:21,040 --> 01:06:27,640
Speaker 10: overwhelm and blind hope, individual change, progress, worship, leader worship,

1222
01:06:28,080 --> 01:06:33,800
Speaker 10: apocalypse worship, despair, but as promised for this episode, I

1223
01:06:33,880 --> 01:06:39,840
Speaker 10: want to be a bit more constructive in focus and

1224
01:06:39,920 --> 01:06:45,160
Speaker 10: so to answer the question, really is there any way out?

1225
01:06:45,880 --> 01:06:48,360
Speaker 10: But before I get to that garrison, do you think

1226
01:06:48,360 --> 01:06:50,920
Speaker 10: there are any stages am I have missed in that

1227
01:06:51,960 --> 01:06:56,000
Speaker 10: progression of understanding? Or what have you observed in your experience?

1228
01:06:58,040 --> 01:07:00,240
Speaker 2: I mean one thing I kind of will Reitter eight,

1229
01:07:00,840 --> 01:07:03,640
Speaker 2: that is, this is something that was talked about a

1230
01:07:03,720 --> 01:07:07,840
Speaker 2: lot when when Robert was putting together the second season

1231
01:07:07,840 --> 01:07:11,240
Speaker 2: of It could happen here is is trying to avoid Yeah,

1232
01:07:11,280 --> 01:07:14,280
Speaker 2: like like like looking at collapse as one singular moment

1233
01:07:14,800 --> 01:07:19,040
Speaker 2: and more as this Like it's a more gauzy and

1234
01:07:19,760 --> 01:07:24,320
Speaker 2: more fuzzy slow crumbling of things that we have grown

1235
01:07:24,400 --> 01:07:29,280
Speaker 2: to rely on. And it sometimes you could like envision

1236
01:07:29,360 --> 01:07:32,560
Speaker 2: it eventually reaching to some sort of tipping point, but

1237
01:07:32,960 --> 01:07:35,960
Speaker 2: other times the tipping points never really ever reach. It's

1238
01:07:36,000 --> 01:07:38,640
Speaker 2: it's it's just it's just this this forever kind of

1239
01:07:38,680 --> 01:07:42,600
Speaker 2: crumbling and then rebuilding and then crumbling and rebuilding, and

1240
01:07:42,640 --> 01:07:45,760
Speaker 2: you get to like a ship a theseus situation where eventually,

1241
01:07:46,800 --> 01:07:49,440
Speaker 2: at one point the thing is completely different from what

1242
01:07:49,480 --> 01:07:51,320
Speaker 2: it used to be, but there was never like a

1243
01:07:51,360 --> 01:07:54,560
Speaker 2: full moment of quote unquote collapse. It was just this

1244
01:07:54,560 --> 01:07:58,520
Speaker 2: this continual like crumbling and then becoming into the next thing.

1245
01:07:59,400 --> 01:08:03,000
Speaker 10: It kind of saw and similar to what John Michael

1246
01:08:03,160 --> 01:08:08,680
Speaker 10: Greer described, No, not John Michael Greer, David Korwitz. He

1247
01:08:08,880 --> 01:08:12,640
Speaker 10: talks about this idea of like oscillating decline. Yeah, yeah,

1248
01:08:12,680 --> 01:08:16,479
Speaker 10: these these recessions, these declines, and you have a couple

1249
01:08:16,520 --> 01:08:18,240
Speaker 10: of peaks when things have to climb up a little

1250
01:08:18,280 --> 01:08:21,200
Speaker 10: bit and then and then the overall picture is like

1251
01:08:21,240 --> 01:08:24,799
Speaker 10: a downward trend, but there are some like brief aspects

1252
01:08:24,800 --> 01:08:25,480
Speaker 10: of recovery.

1253
01:08:26,479 --> 01:08:29,759
Speaker 2: Yeah, And that's definitely a mode that I think about

1254
01:08:29,800 --> 01:08:31,960
Speaker 2: a lot. You know, a lot of people are worried

1255
01:08:32,040 --> 01:08:35,479
Speaker 2: of like some like some event triggering a much kind

1256
01:08:35,520 --> 01:08:39,960
Speaker 2: of larger scale collapse. And I think it's good too

1257
01:08:40,040 --> 01:08:42,959
Speaker 2: to focus on all of the smaller, the smaller crumbling

1258
01:08:43,000 --> 01:08:45,800
Speaker 2: that's just always happening all of the time, no matter

1259
01:08:45,920 --> 01:08:46,559
Speaker 2: where you live.

1260
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Speaker 10: So I mean my experience is pretty similar. I think

1261
01:08:50,920 --> 01:08:53,600
Speaker 10: one of the first issues that I became like fundamentally

1262
01:08:53,600 --> 01:08:59,200
Speaker 10: aware of was climate change. Sure, of course, I mean

1263
01:08:59,360 --> 01:09:01,479
Speaker 10: you crack up any one of those like I don't

1264
01:09:01,479 --> 01:09:03,000
Speaker 10: know if you ever got one of those big books

1265
01:09:03,040 --> 01:09:04,439
Speaker 10: of knowledge as a child.

1266
01:09:04,760 --> 01:09:06,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I had.

1267
01:09:06,000 --> 01:09:09,439
Speaker 10: I had a few kind of plastic pages. Yeah, just

1268
01:09:09,680 --> 01:09:11,400
Speaker 10: so they have all these big, amazing pictures.

1269
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Speaker 5: Yeah.

1270
01:09:12,040 --> 01:09:14,080
Speaker 10: So I remember seeing those in one of those books,

1271
01:09:14,120 --> 01:09:20,960
Speaker 10: like this huge like mountain of trash and seeing like

1272
01:09:21,479 --> 01:09:24,160
Speaker 10: this this floating garbage patch in the ocean, and I

1273
01:09:24,200 --> 01:09:26,920
Speaker 10: was just like wow. And then later on, so the

1274
01:09:26,960 --> 01:09:29,720
Speaker 10: first thing wasn't even climate change, it was pollution. And

1275
01:09:29,760 --> 01:09:32,000
Speaker 10: then later on I started doing about climate change, and

1276
01:09:32,000 --> 01:09:35,000
Speaker 10: then that really became like my nature thing. And then

1277
01:09:35,040 --> 01:09:37,840
Speaker 10: later on I as I got older and I learn't

1278
01:09:38,040 --> 01:09:40,840
Speaker 10: learned history and that sort of thing, I came to

1279
01:09:41,240 --> 01:09:43,200
Speaker 10: economics and all that stuff. I came to realize that

1280
01:09:43,320 --> 01:09:48,280
Speaker 10: just how big situation was. And now I'm here. So,

1281
01:09:48,360 --> 01:09:51,960
Speaker 10: as I said in the previous episode, we really don't

1282
01:09:52,160 --> 01:09:57,040
Speaker 10: need blind hope, and I should be upondly clear, we

1283
01:09:57,120 --> 01:10:01,599
Speaker 10: definitely don't need hopeless despair. It's a little rhyme there.

1284
01:10:03,040 --> 01:10:09,120
Speaker 10: So how do we respond to this predicament? The short

1285
01:10:09,200 --> 01:10:13,439
Speaker 10: answer is that I don't know. The long answer is

1286
01:10:13,439 --> 01:10:17,480
Speaker 10: this whole podcast episode. I mean I could give some platitudes,

1287
01:10:17,560 --> 01:10:22,920
Speaker 10: you know, we need sobriety, clarity, lucidity. I mean Paul

1288
01:10:22,920 --> 01:10:26,360
Speaker 10: Shafuka points out in his article that those in stage

1289
01:10:26,400 --> 01:10:30,240
Speaker 10: five awareness who see that the predicament encompasses all aspects

1290
01:10:30,280 --> 01:10:34,760
Speaker 10: of life look to one of two paths. And I

1291
01:10:34,760 --> 01:10:37,920
Speaker 10: mean I've since adapted into Britain and remixed the two paths,

1292
01:10:37,960 --> 01:10:39,880
Speaker 10: so not one to one with what he had in mind,

1293
01:10:40,400 --> 01:10:43,360
Speaker 10: but you should get the gist. The first path of

1294
01:10:43,400 --> 01:10:46,280
Speaker 10: response to the predicaments of collapse is the inner path

1295
01:10:46,400 --> 01:10:50,720
Speaker 10: of self healer. It's a manifestation of that fake Can

1296
01:10:50,840 --> 01:10:52,840
Speaker 10: the quote be the change you want to see in

1297
01:10:52,880 --> 01:10:56,439
Speaker 10: the world, sort of retreating into oneself, digging deep and

1298
01:10:56,560 --> 01:11:01,599
Speaker 10: personal to helping your self awareness. I mean some people

1299
01:11:01,640 --> 01:11:04,240
Speaker 10: take this to mean some sort of hyper individual thing,

1300
01:11:04,240 --> 01:11:07,840
Speaker 10: and its low key is if you tilt and twist

1301
01:11:07,880 --> 01:11:10,120
Speaker 10: your head slightly, you can maybe see it in a

1302
01:11:10,160 --> 01:11:13,120
Speaker 10: different light. I don't think it has to mean becoming

1303
01:11:13,160 --> 01:11:16,120
Speaker 10: a monk or an aesthetic. I don't think it means

1304
01:11:16,160 --> 01:11:20,040
Speaker 10: denying systems or ignoring the painful truth. I think it

1305
01:11:20,080 --> 01:11:23,280
Speaker 10: involves taken in the gravity of what we're dealing with,

1306
01:11:23,400 --> 01:11:27,120
Speaker 10: such a grand scale issue, and putting it in a

1307
01:11:27,200 --> 01:11:31,880
Speaker 10: personal context, unabstracting it and understanding it through a more

1308
01:11:32,120 --> 01:11:38,240
Speaker 10: managical lens. I'm not one to fall back on evolutionary

1309
01:11:38,320 --> 01:11:42,840
Speaker 10: terminism or anything like that, but I do think often

1310
01:11:42,880 --> 01:11:46,040
Speaker 10: about how we kind of weren't meant to be processing

1311
01:11:47,000 --> 01:11:50,080
Speaker 10: this entire planet, this entire population.

1312
01:11:50,840 --> 01:11:51,000
Speaker 2: You know.

1313
01:11:51,000 --> 01:11:54,120
Speaker 10: I think we're very good at dealing with immediate problems,

1314
01:11:54,200 --> 01:11:57,960
Speaker 10: very good at looking at situations that are before us,

1315
01:11:57,960 --> 01:12:01,080
Speaker 10: that are directly impacting us, and look at how we

1316
01:12:01,120 --> 01:12:06,400
Speaker 10: can solve that. And of course, no local solution necessarily

1317
01:12:06,800 --> 01:12:12,559
Speaker 10: is going to buy itself solve a global crisis, but

1318
01:12:13,479 --> 01:12:18,040
Speaker 10: medley of local solutions can. But we're not even talking

1319
01:12:18,080 --> 01:12:22,280
Speaker 10: here with this inner path of local solutions yet, we're

1320
01:12:22,280 --> 01:12:25,479
Speaker 10: talking even at a smaller scale, in the local, at

1321
01:12:25,520 --> 01:12:30,320
Speaker 10: the base unit of society, which is the self. So

1322
01:12:30,360 --> 01:12:34,080
Speaker 10: you might continue pursuing knowledge of the issues, start developing

1323
01:12:34,080 --> 01:12:37,640
Speaker 10: your practical skills and people's skills, trying to minimalize your

1324
01:12:37,640 --> 01:12:41,479
Speaker 10: lifestyle and preparation for the economic and social shocks of collapse,

1325
01:12:42,479 --> 01:12:45,799
Speaker 10: perhaps seeking to settle somewhere you determined it's best suited

1326
01:12:46,120 --> 01:12:49,200
Speaker 10: to whether the coming storms, which I believe. I saw

1327
01:12:49,240 --> 01:12:52,120
Speaker 10: a video like some years ago where this guy was

1328
01:12:52,160 --> 01:12:57,200
Speaker 10: saying the Midwest might be the best place environmentally to settle.

1329
01:12:57,880 --> 01:13:01,000
Speaker 10: I don't know if you'll cover that in the fust

1330
01:13:01,000 --> 01:13:03,840
Speaker 10: to a second season that could happen, yet, I.

1331
01:13:03,840 --> 01:13:06,280
Speaker 2: Mean there was something definitely we we looked we were

1332
01:13:06,280 --> 01:13:09,800
Speaker 2: looking into during some of the research phases of a

1333
01:13:09,800 --> 01:13:12,040
Speaker 2: lot of the agriculture that is currently based in the

1334
01:13:12,080 --> 01:13:15,840
Speaker 2: south of the United States every every every decade is

1335
01:13:15,880 --> 01:13:18,000
Speaker 2: going to start moving up and up and up, and

1336
01:13:18,280 --> 01:13:21,880
Speaker 2: particularly like Canada is going to enter a very large

1337
01:13:21,920 --> 01:13:26,840
Speaker 2: agricultural economic boom. That process has already started. But yes,

1338
01:13:26,880 --> 01:13:32,360
Speaker 2: there's gonna like be this this slow rising level of

1339
01:13:32,400 --> 01:13:35,479
Speaker 2: like industrial farming, which first of all, isn't isn't actually

1340
01:13:36,040 --> 01:13:38,960
Speaker 2: great for the land itself. Like once all of the

1341
01:13:39,040 --> 01:13:42,240
Speaker 2: land that's abandoned in the Southern States, like after it's

1342
01:13:42,240 --> 01:13:45,920
Speaker 2: been tapped for so long, it's really just like dust,

1343
01:13:46,000 --> 01:13:49,559
Speaker 2: like it's it's not actually useful dirt anymore. But it's

1344
01:13:49,880 --> 01:13:52,040
Speaker 2: all of that stuff's going to start moving farther and

1345
01:13:52,080 --> 01:13:55,719
Speaker 2: farther north as the as the conditions for growth start changing.

1346
01:13:56,439 --> 01:13:58,080
Speaker 2: And mean, it's the same thing for a lot of

1347
01:13:58,200 --> 01:14:00,360
Speaker 2: a lot of things that are grown and like more

1348
01:14:00,400 --> 01:14:05,839
Speaker 2: like jungly forest mountain areas where every year, like coffee

1349
01:14:05,840 --> 01:14:08,840
Speaker 2: and chocolate. They have to start they have to they

1350
01:14:08,880 --> 01:14:11,759
Speaker 2: have to start moving the crops further up the mountain.

1351
01:14:12,439 --> 01:14:16,320
Speaker 2: And again that's that doesn't that's obviously not a great

1352
01:14:16,320 --> 01:14:19,800
Speaker 2: long term solution because the mountain is only so high

1353
01:14:20,360 --> 01:14:22,040
Speaker 2: that it costs and it costs a lot of money

1354
01:14:22,040 --> 01:14:24,920
Speaker 2: to constantly be moving your crops higher and higher up

1355
01:14:24,960 --> 01:14:28,680
Speaker 2: a mountain. Indeed, but that is the sort of like

1356
01:14:29,160 --> 01:14:32,960
Speaker 2: agricultural and like economic drive. It's going to start getting

1357
01:14:32,960 --> 01:14:37,360
Speaker 2: more and more common to supply the amount of food

1358
01:14:37,439 --> 01:14:40,720
Speaker 2: that Americans are used to eating. And it won't like

1359
01:14:41,400 --> 01:14:44,720
Speaker 2: in the case of coffee, like it's not like actual

1360
01:14:44,920 --> 01:14:47,439
Speaker 2: coffee beans are not going to be as common as

1361
01:14:47,479 --> 01:14:49,840
Speaker 2: they were today or twenty years ago. It's going to

1362
01:14:49,840 --> 01:14:52,680
Speaker 2: become more of like a higher priced luxury item. And

1363
01:14:53,000 --> 01:14:55,599
Speaker 2: I'm sure, I'm sure Americans will get their caffeine fixed

1364
01:14:55,680 --> 01:14:59,679
Speaker 2: some other way. But yeah, it's like that those those

1365
01:14:59,720 --> 01:15:01,960
Speaker 2: sorts changes are going to become more and more and

1366
01:15:02,040 --> 01:15:02,840
Speaker 2: more commonplace.

1367
01:15:03,640 --> 01:15:18,160
Speaker 10: Yeah, yeah, for sure. And this is why you know,

1368
01:15:18,560 --> 01:15:25,000
Speaker 10: anarchists get I think unfairly labeled like past like like

1369
01:15:25,439 --> 01:15:30,280
Speaker 10: excessively a ca area or maybe parochial and the focus.

1370
01:15:31,120 --> 01:15:34,639
Speaker 10: But I think that as we talk about the degradation

1371
01:15:34,760 --> 01:15:39,360
Speaker 10: of soils, We talk about the failures in the long

1372
01:15:39,479 --> 01:15:47,080
Speaker 10: term of monocultural large scale farm and the only way

1373
01:15:47,120 --> 01:15:48,960
Speaker 10: that we're really going to see that sort of land

1374
01:15:49,000 --> 01:15:54,679
Speaker 10: restored again is through the sort of agro forestry, puma culture,

1375
01:15:55,479 --> 01:16:02,280
Speaker 10: you know, small scale practices that involve rebuilding that relationship

1376
01:16:02,320 --> 01:16:07,599
Speaker 10: between the people and the land itself. Regardden outside of

1377
01:16:07,640 --> 01:16:11,200
Speaker 10: the US, I don't know what my game plan would be.

1378
01:16:12,120 --> 01:16:14,439
Speaker 10: The dry seasons are certainly dry, and I think last

1379
01:16:14,520 --> 01:16:19,680
Speaker 10: year actually was one of our driest wet seasons, So

1380
01:16:20,960 --> 01:16:25,760
Speaker 10: I don't really plan on leaving, but I do think

1381
01:16:25,800 --> 01:16:28,160
Speaker 10: about I do find myself thinking about, Okay, where am

1382
01:16:28,200 --> 01:16:33,040
Speaker 10: I gonna, like, but where am I going to settle?

1383
01:16:33,120 --> 01:16:35,840
Speaker 10: You know, Like, where am I going to be able

1384
01:16:35,840 --> 01:16:42,200
Speaker 10: to like safeguard myself and stay connected with people and

1385
01:16:43,560 --> 01:16:49,200
Speaker 10: live you know. So in a sense, I am on

1386
01:16:49,240 --> 01:16:54,120
Speaker 10: that inner path, educating myself as much as possible, trying

1387
01:16:54,160 --> 01:16:57,760
Speaker 10: to develop my practical skills, focusing on what I could

1388
01:16:57,760 --> 01:17:00,720
Speaker 10: do as an individual to make changes in my own

1389
01:17:00,760 --> 01:17:04,919
Speaker 10: life and partially in my surroundings the way that is manageable. Hassan,

1390
01:17:06,960 --> 01:17:09,000
Speaker 10: do you see yourself in this path? As well.

1391
01:17:10,200 --> 01:17:14,280
Speaker 2: I I'm not sure I tried to not I I

1392
01:17:14,320 --> 01:17:16,400
Speaker 2: spent a lot of time thinking about the future, I guess,

1393
01:17:16,400 --> 01:17:18,760
Speaker 2: but I try not to lock myself into any any

1394
01:17:18,800 --> 01:17:23,800
Speaker 2: particular pathway. I don't know, like I've already started to

1395
01:17:24,200 --> 01:17:28,840
Speaker 2: move around the US, leaving leaving the places where I've

1396
01:17:28,880 --> 01:17:31,559
Speaker 2: kind of grown up for the majority of my life

1397
01:17:31,960 --> 01:17:35,160
Speaker 2: that are actually decently suited for for some kind of

1398
01:17:35,160 --> 01:17:41,800
Speaker 2: climate collapse. But yeah, I I I don't know, I

1399
01:17:42,240 --> 01:17:45,080
Speaker 2: have I have risk. I have some form of hesitancy

1400
01:17:45,600 --> 01:17:49,320
Speaker 2: to like seed territory or just like like right off

1401
01:17:50,439 --> 01:17:52,920
Speaker 2: places as just being like not worth it, like especially

1402
01:17:53,160 --> 01:17:56,200
Speaker 2: especially like the South, the American Southeast, just like that

1403
01:17:56,400 --> 01:17:58,240
Speaker 2: there's kind of a there's kind of a nocean, just

1404
01:17:58,240 --> 01:18:03,120
Speaker 2: to like write off large swaths of areas, whether like agriculturally,

1405
01:18:03,360 --> 01:18:06,920
Speaker 2: like climate wise, or like even like politically being like, oh,

1406
01:18:06,960 --> 01:18:09,400
Speaker 2: this is just where all of the fascists are gonna live,

1407
01:18:09,400 --> 01:18:11,960
Speaker 2: and like that's not that's not true. This this has

1408
01:18:12,200 --> 01:18:14,280
Speaker 2: this area of the country is actually is one of

1409
01:18:14,320 --> 01:18:16,559
Speaker 2: the most diverse parts of the country, and to write

1410
01:18:16,560 --> 01:18:19,960
Speaker 2: it off all is like just like Republican Land is

1411
01:18:20,120 --> 01:18:24,800
Speaker 2: I think is grossly misguided, absolutely On the other hand,

1412
01:18:25,080 --> 01:18:27,280
Speaker 2: if things get really really bad, I'm also gonna hold

1413
01:18:27,320 --> 01:18:30,720
Speaker 2: onto my Canadian passport and just go and have that,

1414
01:18:30,920 --> 01:18:33,240
Speaker 2: have that as a backup option, just to just to

1415
01:18:33,280 --> 01:18:37,240
Speaker 2: go up north into uh into the snowy desolate of

1416
01:18:37,320 --> 01:18:38,200
Speaker 2: northern Alberta.

1417
01:18:39,120 --> 01:18:42,880
Speaker 10: So I mean I kind of a shove. Yeah, if

1418
01:18:42,960 --> 01:18:46,439
Speaker 10: Bush comes to shove. Antarctica is the final frontier.

1419
01:18:46,320 --> 01:18:48,599
Speaker 2: Right, So, like I I I always kind of I'm

1420
01:18:48,960 --> 01:18:51,479
Speaker 2: I have that backup option, which is easier than a

1421
01:18:51,479 --> 01:18:54,519
Speaker 2: lot of people. But it's it's it's it's something. It's

1422
01:18:54,520 --> 01:18:58,200
Speaker 2: something I try not to like. I don't like relying

1423
01:18:58,240 --> 01:18:59,040
Speaker 2: on that kind of notion.

1424
01:19:00,479 --> 01:19:03,559
Speaker 10: I feel you, I feel you, yeah, And I mean

1425
01:19:03,600 --> 01:19:05,559
Speaker 10: that's part of why I don't say this in our

1426
01:19:05,680 --> 01:19:08,559
Speaker 10: path is fully satisfactory to me. Yeah, even though I

1427
01:19:08,560 --> 01:19:11,320
Speaker 10: feel it's a path of unconsciously chosen due to some

1428
01:19:11,360 --> 01:19:14,920
Speaker 10: of the challenges I've faced on the outer path. But

1429
01:19:15,200 --> 01:19:18,120
Speaker 10: still what clicks with me more is the outer path.

1430
01:19:18,720 --> 01:19:22,960
Speaker 10: I've also called it balanced realism, which is, you know,

1431
01:19:23,040 --> 01:19:25,559
Speaker 10: hard to balance because a lot of people who confuse

1432
01:19:25,720 --> 01:19:31,040
Speaker 10: realism with pessimism, you know, you just see everything being awful.

1433
01:19:31,040 --> 01:19:33,800
Speaker 10: As I'm a realist, you know, But truthfully, I think

1434
01:19:33,800 --> 01:19:37,280
Speaker 10: taking the outer path of balance realism means shaken off

1435
01:19:37,280 --> 01:19:41,800
Speaker 10: the burdens and blinders are both pessimism and optimism and

1436
01:19:41,920 --> 01:19:46,960
Speaker 10: alarmism and denihialism and fatalism and hedonism and all these

1437
01:19:46,960 --> 01:19:49,400
Speaker 10: other setbacks and obstacles.

1438
01:19:49,000 --> 01:19:49,719
Speaker 3: All the other.

1439
01:19:51,360 --> 01:20:01,200
Speaker 10: Except aneurism. Trying to keep watching anwism, please, but you're

1440
01:20:01,240 --> 01:20:05,240
Speaker 10: really loosing yourself from your own hopes and fears. Really,

1441
01:20:05,320 --> 01:20:07,640
Speaker 10: I think the way I try to see it is

1442
01:20:09,280 --> 01:20:11,800
Speaker 10: I have no idea, and no one can really know

1443
01:20:13,280 --> 01:20:18,280
Speaker 10: what outcome there will be. You know, up to now,

1444
01:20:18,280 --> 01:20:20,960
Speaker 10: I have a better profit, I have meta sayer, I

1445
01:20:20,960 --> 01:20:24,960
Speaker 10: have meta fortune teller. I don't think any of us

1446
01:20:25,000 --> 01:20:27,240
Speaker 10: really know what the outcome will be. And there's so

1447
01:20:27,240 --> 01:20:32,559
Speaker 10: many factors that you can't even calculate and take into accome. Yeah,

1448
01:20:32,680 --> 01:20:36,880
Speaker 10: I mean, for all we know, I mean, it will

1449
01:20:36,920 --> 01:20:39,559
Speaker 10: be very disruptive of our reality, right, and personally, I'm

1450
01:20:39,600 --> 01:20:44,000
Speaker 10: not really a believer in like there be an interspeller

1451
01:20:45,120 --> 01:20:52,559
Speaker 10: alien species, but you know, imagine just out of the blue,

1452
01:20:52,600 --> 01:20:57,120
Speaker 10: like on a random Thursday afternoon, there was an actual

1453
01:20:57,120 --> 01:21:00,479
Speaker 10: alien invasion. I don't think any of us can really

1454
01:21:00,520 --> 01:21:02,920
Speaker 10: predict that. Of course, there are things that we do

1455
01:21:02,960 --> 01:21:05,200
Speaker 10: have the abilits to predict and work with and stuff

1456
01:21:05,200 --> 01:21:08,120
Speaker 10: like that. But really, of course that's an ex saggery

1457
01:21:08,200 --> 01:21:10,640
Speaker 10: to the example. But I want to be able to

1458
01:21:10,640 --> 01:21:14,760
Speaker 10: recognize and accept any number of possible outcomes in the

1459
01:21:14,760 --> 01:21:18,280
Speaker 10: face of such a grand predicament. I think maintaining realism

1460
01:21:18,400 --> 01:21:20,920
Speaker 10: is difficult, especially with so much information. Who have been

1461
01:21:20,920 --> 01:21:22,679
Speaker 10: around in the ether, and you don't know what's true

1462
01:21:23,080 --> 01:21:26,120
Speaker 10: and what's not. But I think it's necessary. You know,

1463
01:21:26,160 --> 01:21:29,240
Speaker 10: you agitate, your fight, your build for the best, but

1464
01:21:29,400 --> 01:21:33,360
Speaker 10: you also prepare and defend for the worst prefecide. By

1465
01:21:33,400 --> 01:21:37,880
Speaker 10: the way, on optimism, I see really two sides of

1466
01:21:37,960 --> 01:21:42,360
Speaker 10: collapse optimism. Both I think are well placed, but both

1467
01:21:42,800 --> 01:21:47,000
Speaker 10: unfortunately misled. There's the optimism that collapse absolutely will not

1468
01:21:47,040 --> 01:21:49,920
Speaker 10: take place, which I think is a sort of optimism

1469
01:21:49,960 --> 01:21:55,160
Speaker 10: that doesn't really quite understand where collapse, what forms collapse

1470
01:21:55,200 --> 01:21:57,320
Speaker 10: can take. And then it's a sort of optimism that

1471
01:21:57,400 --> 01:22:01,040
Speaker 10: collapse will take place but will overcome it. I mean,

1472
01:22:01,040 --> 01:22:03,360
Speaker 10: the house of collapse might not line up fully with

1473
01:22:03,400 --> 01:22:07,519
Speaker 10: our predictions, but there is a very clear trajectory that

1474
01:22:07,600 --> 01:22:10,400
Speaker 10: we are on the idea that collapse is just not

1475
01:22:10,479 --> 01:22:14,000
Speaker 10: in the cards at all, really feels like wishful thinking

1476
01:22:14,600 --> 01:22:18,640
Speaker 10: humanity I don't think has the plot armor that we

1477
01:22:18,720 --> 01:22:22,040
Speaker 10: tend to think it does. And that lack of plot

1478
01:22:22,160 --> 01:22:24,680
Speaker 10: armor also means that there's really no guarantee that we

1479
01:22:24,680 --> 01:22:27,720
Speaker 10: will overcome collapse if it does occur. There are no

1480
01:22:27,880 --> 01:22:29,840
Speaker 10: show outcomes, to be sure, but that doesn't mean a

1481
01:22:29,880 --> 01:22:34,400
Speaker 10: bit destined to come out of this unscathed. But what

1482
01:22:34,439 --> 01:22:43,240
Speaker 10: do you think of optimism considering what you do for work?

1483
01:22:44,560 --> 01:22:45,040
Speaker 3: I don't know.

1484
01:22:45,640 --> 01:22:49,400
Speaker 2: I honestly don't think about optimism very much. I see

1485
01:22:49,439 --> 01:22:51,960
Speaker 2: a lot of bad stuff, like every day as a

1486
01:22:51,960 --> 01:22:53,639
Speaker 2: part of my job, I think about a lot of

1487
01:22:53,680 --> 01:22:58,439
Speaker 2: like grim stuff, I suppose, but it's honestly not something

1488
01:22:58,479 --> 01:23:01,040
Speaker 2: I think about it. I think it's it's it's a

1489
01:23:01,080 --> 01:23:03,640
Speaker 2: little bit of its own bubble. I think there's a

1490
01:23:03,760 --> 01:23:08,720
Speaker 2: utility for having hope but not having a sense of

1491
01:23:08,840 --> 01:23:12,680
Speaker 2: just like static optimism, I think. I think hope is

1492
01:23:12,680 --> 01:23:14,519
Speaker 2: a is a is a useful thing to have in

1493
01:23:14,560 --> 01:23:18,200
Speaker 2: your brain, but but not not have it be as

1494
01:23:18,240 --> 01:23:22,760
Speaker 2: like this just like umbrella that you apply to every

1495
01:23:22,800 --> 01:23:25,040
Speaker 2: single aspect of your life in the way like optimism is,

1496
01:23:25,200 --> 01:23:28,360
Speaker 2: but in terms of like when you're mentioning, like the

1497
01:23:28,400 --> 01:23:31,840
Speaker 2: alien thing. I think one way that people do think

1498
01:23:32,240 --> 01:23:34,400
Speaker 2: about collapse or trying to cope with it a lot

1499
01:23:34,520 --> 01:23:37,080
Speaker 2: is like it's kind of some form of like disx machana,

1500
01:23:37,200 --> 01:23:40,400
Speaker 2: like like this this something will happen, whether that's some

1501
01:23:40,439 --> 01:23:44,559
Speaker 2: other like catastrophic event or like apocalyptic event, or it's

1502
01:23:44,600 --> 01:23:48,920
Speaker 2: like some new found scientific advancement that one day will

1503
01:23:48,920 --> 01:23:52,960
Speaker 2: pop into existence and then we'll solve all of these problems.

1504
01:23:53,200 --> 01:23:55,479
Speaker 2: I think both of those are kind of a form

1505
01:23:55,520 --> 01:23:57,919
Speaker 2: of a dix macana, and both of those are actually

1506
01:23:58,200 --> 01:24:01,000
Speaker 2: ways of coping, even though one is more apocalyptic and

1507
01:24:01,080 --> 01:24:02,240
Speaker 2: one's more utopian.

1508
01:24:02,840 --> 01:24:04,960
Speaker 10: I thought you were talking about the video game series,

1509
01:24:05,000 --> 01:24:11,200
Speaker 10: you know, no, Like I was thinking, oh, yeah, you

1510
01:24:11,240 --> 01:24:12,680
Speaker 10: know ex cybern etics.

1511
01:24:12,720 --> 01:24:16,559
Speaker 2: Yeah, sure, sure, I we like that kind of that

1512
01:24:16,640 --> 01:24:18,719
Speaker 2: kind of is its own form of dis x makta

1513
01:24:19,280 --> 01:24:19,919
Speaker 2: in terms.

1514
01:24:19,720 --> 01:24:22,320
Speaker 3: Of this, this.

1515
01:24:21,240 --> 01:24:25,160
Speaker 2: This thing entering from backstage that now solves all of

1516
01:24:25,160 --> 01:24:27,639
Speaker 2: these problems we have in the story of the world.

1517
01:24:28,240 --> 01:24:30,280
Speaker 2: But I mean that is I think that's that's the

1518
01:24:30,320 --> 01:24:32,320
Speaker 2: thing that I think a lot of people try to

1519
01:24:32,360 --> 01:24:34,840
Speaker 2: find some so it kind of allows you to not

1520
01:24:34,960 --> 01:24:39,439
Speaker 2: be in denial about the current predicament, but still envision

1521
01:24:39,479 --> 01:24:42,519
Speaker 2: a future that is pretty similar to what we currently have,

1522
01:24:43,040 --> 01:24:46,720
Speaker 2: just with this like magical invention or this or this

1523
01:24:46,880 --> 01:24:50,360
Speaker 2: like or this like apocalyptic event that forces people to

1524
01:24:50,479 --> 01:24:54,560
Speaker 2: like actually solve some some degree of problems.

1525
01:24:54,880 --> 01:24:55,040
Speaker 9: You know.

1526
01:24:55,040 --> 01:24:56,400
Speaker 2: It's kind of it's kind of like the thing in

1527
01:24:56,439 --> 01:24:58,880
Speaker 2: Alan Moore's Watchman, being like if there was a giant squid,

1528
01:24:58,880 --> 01:25:03,040
Speaker 2: then the whole world would team up together solve the problem,

1529
01:25:03,600 --> 01:25:05,880
Speaker 2: and I don't know, that seems a little bit less likely.

1530
01:25:06,560 --> 01:25:10,799
Speaker 10: Yeah, Unfortunately, climate collapse, ecological collapse is not a giant squid,

1531
01:25:11,400 --> 01:25:12,880
Speaker 10: and there is no Doctor Manhattan.

1532
01:25:13,560 --> 01:25:17,679
Speaker 2: Yeah, and even even after COVID, right, you have this massive,

1533
01:25:17,680 --> 01:25:20,439
Speaker 2: like world threatening event, and it's it's kind of the

1534
01:25:20,920 --> 01:25:24,360
Speaker 2: perfect example of it's like a you know, a version

1535
01:25:24,400 --> 01:25:27,040
Speaker 2: of the giant squid, and that did not lead to

1536
01:25:27,080 --> 01:25:30,600
Speaker 2: the whole world working together to solve this big problem.

1537
01:25:30,960 --> 01:25:32,719
Speaker 10: I mean, to be fair, it was like a giant

1538
01:25:32,880 --> 01:25:34,160
Speaker 10: invisible squid.

1539
01:25:35,560 --> 01:25:36,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was.

1540
01:25:36,680 --> 01:25:40,320
Speaker 10: To be fair as well, the giant invisible squid is

1541
01:25:40,400 --> 01:25:46,280
Speaker 10: still there and like regularly claiming lives, we kind of

1542
01:25:46,280 --> 01:25:48,880
Speaker 10: just go up all with alladays, kind of ignoring its like, oh,

1543
01:25:48,920 --> 01:25:55,240
Speaker 10: you know, there goes Fred, you know, snatched up by

1544
01:25:55,280 --> 01:25:56,040
Speaker 10: the giant squid.

1545
01:25:57,000 --> 01:25:59,160
Speaker 2: I'm sure in the Watchmen world there would be a

1546
01:25:59,280 --> 01:26:03,080
Speaker 2: great many of like squid deniers, of people who are like, no,

1547
01:26:03,160 --> 01:26:05,840
Speaker 2: this squid was never real. This this couid was all fake.

1548
01:26:06,600 --> 01:26:08,759
Speaker 2: That was all faked in New York City. It was

1549
01:26:08,439 --> 01:26:09,960
Speaker 2: it was, It wasn't real like that.

1550
01:26:10,040 --> 01:26:12,160
Speaker 10: I long said, there's no opinion that everybody in the

1551
01:26:12,160 --> 01:26:14,639
Speaker 10: world would agree with, you know, like if you were

1552
01:26:14,680 --> 01:26:19,960
Speaker 10: to say, for example, that all humans need food to live,

1553
01:26:20,720 --> 01:26:23,639
Speaker 10: there's gonna be a contrarian who's gonna tell you, actually,

1554
01:26:23,760 --> 01:26:30,200
Speaker 10: I survive on photosynthesis. I'm a breatheteria. You know, there's

1555
01:26:30,200 --> 01:26:32,600
Speaker 10: there's no uncontroversial tea because they will. I think there

1556
01:26:32,640 --> 01:26:46,479
Speaker 10: will be a deniers no matter what. You know, as

1557
01:26:46,520 --> 01:26:49,400
Speaker 10: you were talking about optimism and sort of the dark

1558
01:26:49,439 --> 01:26:52,479
Speaker 10: things you're dealing with, it reminded me of something that

1559
01:26:52,479 --> 01:26:56,879
Speaker 10: that shook me. Yesterday. I was watching shown on YouTube

1560
01:26:57,600 --> 01:27:02,439
Speaker 10: Sean's video on Palistine and he shared the story of

1561
01:27:02,479 --> 01:27:06,599
Speaker 10: this young person and boy who had filmed the video

1562
01:27:06,720 --> 01:27:11,920
Speaker 10: celebrating himself winning kat in a thousand subscribers, and he

1563
01:27:11,960 --> 01:27:14,960
Speaker 10: was sharing his goals of you know, he may get

1564
01:27:15,040 --> 01:27:17,679
Speaker 10: in ten tho one hundred thousand, maybe even a million,

1565
01:27:18,840 --> 01:27:26,720
Speaker 10: and he was killed last year by the idea. So

1566
01:27:26,760 --> 01:27:31,599
Speaker 10: I think, I mean, it's connected, but not entirely related.

1567
01:27:32,280 --> 01:27:35,879
Speaker 10: We're talking more long lines of ecological collapse and systems

1568
01:27:35,920 --> 01:27:38,639
Speaker 10: collapse and this sort of thing. And while it's true

1569
01:27:38,760 --> 01:27:41,320
Speaker 10: that for much of the world collapse is not going

1570
01:27:41,400 --> 01:27:44,800
Speaker 10: to look like a singular event, I think it is

1571
01:27:44,840 --> 01:27:49,800
Speaker 10: also important to recognize that and remember that there are

1572
01:27:49,880 --> 01:27:56,320
Speaker 10: people for whom collapse, or rather they are subjective collapse.

1573
01:27:56,360 --> 01:28:00,280
Speaker 10: The collapse of their world, their way of life they exists,

1574
01:28:01,600 --> 01:28:03,080
Speaker 10: is staring them in the face.

1575
01:28:03,680 --> 01:28:04,120
Speaker 3: Absolutely.

1576
01:28:04,400 --> 01:28:09,400
Speaker 10: Now, you know, I don't want to compare misfortunes, but

1577
01:28:09,439 --> 01:28:14,400
Speaker 10: you know, there is that reality that you know, some

1578
01:28:14,560 --> 01:28:21,080
Speaker 10: people are facing like cataclysm right in their face, and

1579
01:28:21,160 --> 01:28:27,400
Speaker 10: for others it's like a slower boon, but ultimately similar feats.

1580
01:28:27,439 --> 01:28:27,680
Speaker 10: You know.

1581
01:28:28,160 --> 01:28:31,160
Speaker 2: That was something we were also considering when putting together

1582
01:28:31,320 --> 01:28:34,880
Speaker 2: some of the climate change focused earlier episodes from a

1583
01:28:34,960 --> 01:28:40,559
Speaker 2: few years back. And like the effects of climate change

1584
01:28:40,640 --> 01:28:44,400
Speaker 2: or just collapse in general are not like uniform, right

1585
01:28:44,439 --> 01:28:49,519
Speaker 2: they they it first targets on the periphery and like whatever,

1586
01:28:49,880 --> 01:28:52,200
Speaker 2: that's kind of a faulty way of doing that right,

1587
01:28:52,240 --> 01:28:54,000
Speaker 2: Like an old term would be like the third world.

1588
01:28:54,479 --> 01:28:56,559
Speaker 3: We were trying to find better, better terms for this

1589
01:28:57,560 --> 01:28:57,920
Speaker 3: and that of.

1590
01:28:57,880 --> 01:28:59,080
Speaker 10: Them really fully work.

1591
01:28:59,800 --> 01:29:00,240
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1592
01:29:00,280 --> 01:29:02,960
Speaker 10: I was actually recently talking and I stream about how

1593
01:29:03,120 --> 01:29:06,080
Speaker 10: like like I'm just like I feel like all these

1594
01:29:06,080 --> 01:29:09,640
Speaker 10: distinctions people trying to drow, like the West is just

1595
01:29:09,720 --> 01:29:12,120
Speaker 10: the east or you know, global North is schoogle. So

1596
01:29:12,160 --> 01:29:17,000
Speaker 10: they're all a bit messy. Yes, actual application.

1597
01:29:17,560 --> 01:29:19,040
Speaker 3: But the people on.

1598
01:29:19,120 --> 01:29:24,640
Speaker 2: Like the the edges of empire, the edges of like

1599
01:29:24,720 --> 01:29:29,120
Speaker 2: the Imperial engine, are going to face this a lot

1600
01:29:29,200 --> 01:29:33,000
Speaker 2: sooner than the people in the imperial core and like that.

1601
01:29:33,000 --> 01:29:37,439
Speaker 2: That is just whether that's collapsed through like war like

1602
01:29:37,439 --> 01:29:41,439
Speaker 2: like like forced collapse, or that's collapsed through like environmental

1603
01:29:41,439 --> 01:29:44,759
Speaker 2: factors like but both of those are often the case.

1604
01:29:45,280 --> 01:29:47,320
Speaker 2: People are going to do a lot of work to

1605
01:29:47,360 --> 01:29:50,120
Speaker 2: maintain the mecca of New York City, but they're not

1606
01:29:50,160 --> 01:29:52,880
Speaker 2: going to care for a small town, not.

1607
01:29:52,880 --> 01:29:57,600
Speaker 10: Even a small town like Jakarta could sink into the ocean.

1608
01:29:57,320 --> 01:30:00,880
Speaker 2: And absolutely like just like who kires, right, hurricanes taking

1609
01:30:00,880 --> 01:30:03,320
Speaker 2: out like act like care just to be clear, the

1610
01:30:03,360 --> 01:30:07,840
Speaker 2: whole countries, Yeah, no, absolutely, like those these things do

1611
01:30:07,880 --> 01:30:10,759
Speaker 2: not do not get held on the same the same level.

1612
01:30:11,600 --> 01:30:20,040
Speaker 10: Yeah, yeah, so I mean I'm supposed to answer my

1613
01:30:20,120 --> 01:30:22,840
Speaker 10: own question. I think you do need a dose of

1614
01:30:22,880 --> 01:30:26,360
Speaker 10: optimism to keep you from falling to despair or completely

1615
01:30:26,520 --> 01:30:30,040
Speaker 10: checking out to the struggle, just for the sake of

1616
01:30:30,040 --> 01:30:35,120
Speaker 10: your mental health, but not to the point of blindness

1617
01:30:35,120 --> 01:30:37,840
Speaker 10: from the truth. I don't think there's anything wrong with

1618
01:30:38,080 --> 01:30:42,320
Speaker 10: maintaining some level of emotional cushion in to keep you

1619
01:30:44,280 --> 01:30:47,120
Speaker 10: going to you know, fuel you to wake up in

1620
01:30:47,160 --> 01:30:50,760
Speaker 10: the morning and and make it through your day. But

1621
01:30:52,000 --> 01:30:54,880
Speaker 10: not to the point of the delusion, I suppose. And

1622
01:30:54,960 --> 01:30:56,640
Speaker 10: I think this is this is the value of the

1623
01:30:56,680 --> 01:30:59,719
Speaker 10: outer path as well. And I think this outer path

1624
01:30:59,800 --> 01:31:05,040
Speaker 10: is fueled by a bit of in a grace and peace.

1625
01:31:05,680 --> 01:31:08,960
Speaker 10: You know, you've let go of some level of naivety

1626
01:31:09,000 --> 01:31:13,599
Speaker 10: and passivity. You're moving, acting, doing, adapting. And here, of course,

1627
01:31:13,600 --> 01:31:16,400
Speaker 10: I'm thinking of like the Puma culture movement, the Transition

1628
01:31:16,560 --> 01:31:20,920
Speaker 10: Towns Network, or the other ongoing movements and projects, none

1629
01:31:20,960 --> 01:31:23,360
Speaker 10: of which are perfect, mind you, none of which are

1630
01:31:23,400 --> 01:31:26,000
Speaker 10: going to say the whole world or anything, but they

1631
01:31:26,040 --> 01:31:29,559
Speaker 10: Sidney try. And I'm as thinking of like the movement

1632
01:31:30,160 --> 01:31:35,400
Speaker 10: for the MST in Brazil, and you know the Leavia Campecina,

1633
01:31:35,479 --> 01:31:40,439
Speaker 10: who we would have interviewed in people about recently. These groups,

1634
01:31:40,479 --> 01:31:45,040
Speaker 10: these movements, they struggles are thinking, are looking local, thinking

1635
01:31:45,120 --> 01:31:48,479
Speaker 10: global and actually really making a difference. I think that

1636
01:31:48,560 --> 01:31:51,639
Speaker 10: outlook is necessary. I think we need more political movements

1637
01:31:51,680 --> 01:31:55,439
Speaker 10: it could be honest about reality that aren't waiting for

1638
01:31:55,479 --> 01:31:59,280
Speaker 10: a safere or politician that aren't wait sensor it's too

1639
01:31:59,320 --> 01:32:02,840
Speaker 10: late to act, that aren't removing power from the hands

1640
01:32:02,840 --> 01:32:07,719
Speaker 10: of people and placement elsewhere move instead of far less

1641
01:32:07,720 --> 01:32:11,840
Speaker 10: reactive and more proactive, and maybe we'll never see a

1642
01:32:11,960 --> 01:32:14,920
Speaker 10: global shift to the growth or a steady state economy

1643
01:32:14,920 --> 01:32:17,479
Speaker 10: in all lifetimes without a major disruption and shifting the

1644
01:32:17,520 --> 01:32:21,679
Speaker 10: efforts of grounds roots movements. We can definitely see small scale,

1645
01:32:21,760 --> 01:32:25,840
Speaker 10: local resilient systems springing up and spreading that are better

1646
01:32:25,960 --> 01:32:32,200
Speaker 10: able to endure the coming economic, socio ecological shocks. I

1647
01:32:32,240 --> 01:32:35,320
Speaker 10: am as pro social revolution as they come, but I

1648
01:32:35,320 --> 01:32:40,040
Speaker 10: think we need a more expansive understanding of what that entails.

1649
01:32:40,520 --> 01:32:45,000
Speaker 10: I was reading actually this Morning Anarchy, a graphic guide

1650
01:32:45,240 --> 01:32:53,639
Speaker 10: by Clifford Harper, and he spoke about how sixty five

1651
01:32:53,880 --> 01:33:00,200
Speaker 10: years of persistent agitation and organization culminated in the largest

1652
01:33:00,240 --> 01:33:04,960
Speaker 10: far reaching revolutionary movement of the modern times. I think

1653
01:33:05,000 --> 01:33:09,719
Speaker 10: when we discuss the Spanish Civil War and the cnt FAI,

1654
01:33:10,479 --> 01:33:12,240
Speaker 10: a lot of people get caught up from always happening

1655
01:33:12,360 --> 01:33:15,960
Speaker 10: during the Civil War. But I think I don't think

1656
01:33:16,000 --> 01:33:18,280
Speaker 10: there's not focused on the fact that, you know, these

1657
01:33:18,360 --> 01:33:22,280
Speaker 10: organizations were moving and shaken in their communities and in

1658
01:33:22,320 --> 01:33:28,320
Speaker 10: their regions for decades prior to any major you know

1659
01:33:29,200 --> 01:33:31,760
Speaker 10: pop off. You know, like a general strike does not

1660
01:33:31,880 --> 01:33:35,800
Speaker 10: happen overnight, and insurrection does not happen overnight, espectially not

1661
01:33:36,400 --> 01:33:39,519
Speaker 10: without the level of broad scale support they will be

1662
01:33:39,600 --> 01:33:43,720
Speaker 10: necessary to sustain those efforts. On the topic of the

1663
01:33:43,760 --> 01:33:48,160
Speaker 10: Transition Movement in particular, that movement was officially started in

1664
01:33:48,200 --> 01:33:51,120
Speaker 10: two thousand and six in the UK, but had some

1665
01:33:51,240 --> 01:33:54,400
Speaker 10: routes before then. In two thousand and four, primic culture

1666
01:33:54,400 --> 01:33:58,679
Speaker 10: designer Rob Hopkins task students at Kinsale through their Education college,

1667
01:33:59,000 --> 01:34:02,280
Speaker 10: with applying primical principles to the concept of peak oil,

1668
01:34:02,760 --> 01:34:05,840
Speaker 10: leading to the creation of the Kinseal Energy Descent Action Plan.

1669
01:34:06,680 --> 01:34:11,919
Speaker 10: Two students, Louis Rooney and Catherine Dune developed the Transition

1670
01:34:12,120 --> 01:34:16,439
Speaker 10: Town's concept, presented into the Kinsale Town Council which adopts

1671
01:34:16,479 --> 01:34:21,360
Speaker 10: the plan for energy independence. Then Hopkins later moved to Totney's, England,

1672
01:34:21,400 --> 01:34:26,200
Speaker 10: where he, along with Naresh Kiang gray Kian Grandee, developed

1673
01:34:26,200 --> 01:34:31,120
Speaker 10: these concepts into the Transition model. Transition Town Totney's founded

1674
01:34:31,160 --> 01:34:33,920
Speaker 10: in early two thousand and six, serious inspiration for other

1675
01:34:33,960 --> 01:34:38,080
Speaker 10: transition initiatives globally. Early two thousand and seven, the Transition

1676
01:34:38,120 --> 01:34:40,960
Speaker 10: Network UK charity was co founded by Rob Hopkins, Peter

1677
01:34:41,360 --> 01:34:45,519
Speaker 10: Lippmann and Ben Brangwin his support and the sound transition

1678
01:34:45,680 --> 01:34:49,360
Speaker 10: concepts worldwide. By two thousand and eight, product had expanded,

1679
01:34:49,600 --> 01:34:53,639
Speaker 10: with numerous communities becoming official transition towns. These are things

1680
01:34:53,680 --> 01:34:56,160
Speaker 10: you don't care about in the news. These are positive

1681
01:34:56,160 --> 01:34:58,880
Speaker 10: developments that have happened under the radar for decades. At

1682
01:34:58,880 --> 01:35:02,759
Speaker 10: this point. By May twenty ten, over four hundred community

1683
01:35:02,760 --> 01:35:06,920
Speaker 10: initiatives will recognize as official transition towns in various countries,

1684
01:35:07,240 --> 01:35:10,479
Speaker 10: reflecting the diverse range of communities involved, from villages and

1685
01:35:10,520 --> 01:35:16,719
Speaker 10: neighborhoods to cities and city boroughs. The initiatives who developed

1686
01:35:16,720 --> 01:35:21,680
Speaker 10: citizens cooperatives, renewable energy, local and sustainable food systems, new

1687
01:35:21,760 --> 01:35:26,879
Speaker 10: cooperative economic models, sustainable transport systems, energy to send action plans,

1688
01:35:27,120 --> 01:35:30,720
Speaker 10: and even hearts and Soul groups built to respond to

1689
01:35:30,760 --> 01:35:35,679
Speaker 10: the emotional components of collapse and transition. In the book

1690
01:35:35,960 --> 01:35:40,360
Speaker 10: How Everything Can Collapse, which I referenced in the previous episode,

1691
01:35:41,240 --> 01:35:45,840
Speaker 10: Paulo Savine and Raphael Stephen's talk about the paradox of collapse,

1692
01:35:46,479 --> 01:35:48,479
Speaker 10: and I'll leave it in their words because I think

1693
01:35:48,479 --> 01:35:50,000
Speaker 10: it was really well put.

1694
01:35:50,960 --> 01:35:51,400
Speaker 4: Quote.

1695
01:35:52,800 --> 01:35:56,440
Speaker 10: From a philosophical point of view, transition is a strange

1696
01:35:56,520 --> 01:36:01,720
Speaker 10: and paradoxical thing. It's both catastrophists optimistic, that is to say,

1697
01:36:01,760 --> 01:36:05,240
Speaker 10: both lucid and pragmatic. Lucid because the people involved in

1698
01:36:05,280 --> 01:36:08,640
Speaker 10: these movements are not in denial about catastrophes. Most of

1699
01:36:08,680 --> 01:36:10,639
Speaker 10: them have given up the myth of eating out growth

1700
01:36:10,920 --> 01:36:13,240
Speaker 10: as well as the myth of the apocalypse. They know

1701
01:36:13,400 --> 01:36:16,240
Speaker 10: and believe in what awaits us, and generally receptive to

1702
01:36:16,320 --> 01:36:19,599
Speaker 10: catastrophistic language because they already are committed to this search

1703
01:36:19,680 --> 01:36:24,960
Speaker 10: for real alternatives. Pragmatic because catastrophists political thinking. It's not

1704
01:36:24,960 --> 01:36:27,960
Speaker 10: apocalyptic in nature. It's not claim to worried about the

1705
01:36:28,000 --> 01:36:30,400
Speaker 10: end of the world, but more precisely about a sudden

1706
01:36:30,439 --> 01:36:35,479
Speaker 10: and potentially traumatic reorganization of ecosystems and societies. Neither business

1707
01:36:35,520 --> 01:36:38,160
Speaker 10: as usual nor the end of the world, just a

1708
01:36:38,200 --> 01:36:42,320
Speaker 10: world to invent together here and now and good. The

1709
01:36:42,320 --> 01:36:46,120
Speaker 10: transition movement is vitally rooted in imagination, and I've spoken

1710
01:36:46,160 --> 01:36:49,320
Speaker 10: about the vitality of imagination in the past. In fact,

1711
01:36:49,360 --> 01:36:52,160
Speaker 10: my video on the subject was partially inspired by Rob

1712
01:36:52,200 --> 01:36:55,719
Speaker 10: Hopkins's book, From What Is to What If You imagine?

1713
01:36:55,840 --> 01:36:57,800
Speaker 10: You sketch out the details, and you roll up your

1714
01:36:57,800 --> 01:37:00,960
Speaker 10: sleeves and you make it real. The development of the

1715
01:37:00,960 --> 01:37:06,040
Speaker 10: Transition Networks project, Rob Hopkins, along with others, published the

1716
01:37:06,080 --> 01:37:11,080
Speaker 10: Transition Handbook, which is structured in three parts. Versus the head,

1717
01:37:11,120 --> 01:37:13,360
Speaker 10: which are the facts of the situation. Then you have

1718
01:37:13,400 --> 01:37:16,400
Speaker 10: the heart, which are the emotional consequences and desire futures.

1719
01:37:16,680 --> 01:37:18,559
Speaker 10: And then you have the hands, which is how you

1720
01:37:18,600 --> 01:37:21,920
Speaker 10: get from imagination to action. I just thought that was

1721
01:37:21,960 --> 01:37:25,280
Speaker 10: a really great approach, even though the Handbook is dated

1722
01:37:25,320 --> 01:37:29,280
Speaker 10: in some ways. Of course, guiding people through the process

1723
01:37:29,280 --> 01:37:32,320
Speaker 10: of even accepting transition and getting them on the outer

1724
01:37:32,479 --> 01:37:35,760
Speaker 10: path works well on the small and personal scale, but

1725
01:37:35,800 --> 01:37:39,320
Speaker 10: there is a challenge of scale. Savine and Steven's point

1726
01:37:39,320 --> 01:37:42,000
Speaker 10: out that you can't exactly announce on a large platform

1727
01:37:42,439 --> 01:37:44,679
Speaker 10: listen up, everybody, prepare for the end of the world.

1728
01:37:45,360 --> 01:37:45,880
Speaker 4: As you can.

1729
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Speaker 10: Imagine, it ends up being a self fulfilling prophecy. It's

1730
01:37:49,920 --> 01:37:51,920
Speaker 10: kind of like telling people not to rush out and

1731
01:37:52,000 --> 01:37:59,479
Speaker 10: buy upol the toilet. People transition on larger scales is

1732
01:37:59,600 --> 01:38:02,160
Speaker 10: differult not to say it's not difficult to build the

1733
01:38:02,200 --> 01:38:06,200
Speaker 10: local communities resilience from disruptions in food, energy, climate, et cetera,

1734
01:38:07,000 --> 01:38:10,160
Speaker 10: but on the macro scale is even more difficult. At

1735
01:38:10,200 --> 01:38:12,799
Speaker 10: least if you're determined to take on a top down approach.

1736
01:38:14,040 --> 01:38:17,320
Speaker 10: You get what I'm saying is because this isn't exactly

1737
01:38:17,400 --> 01:38:21,679
Speaker 10: a problem that rulers are capable of solving. The debt

1738
01:38:21,760 --> 01:38:24,400
Speaker 10: system is not going to go away by decree. The

1739
01:38:24,520 --> 01:38:28,360
Speaker 10: energy system that fills their coffers won't shift until it

1740
01:38:28,400 --> 01:38:33,360
Speaker 10: profits them either. And in seeing like a States, the

1741
01:38:33,360 --> 01:38:37,439
Speaker 10: anthropologist James Scott spends a lot of time discussing just

1742
01:38:37,520 --> 01:38:40,519
Speaker 10: how that top down perspective of the world is inherently

1743
01:38:40,600 --> 01:38:49,400
Speaker 10: limited and incapable of effecting those sorts of changes. But

1744
01:38:49,520 --> 01:38:53,599
Speaker 10: thankfully the people able to act where rulers won't. As

1745
01:38:53,720 --> 01:38:56,840
Speaker 10: being the Stevens put it, transitioners to that wait for governments.

1746
01:38:57,280 --> 01:39:00,000
Speaker 10: They already invent in ways of living through this collect

1747
01:39:00,320 --> 01:39:03,240
Speaker 10: through this collapse in a non tragic way. They are

1748
01:39:03,240 --> 01:39:07,280
Speaker 10: not waiting for the worst, but building for the best. Ultimately,

1749
01:39:07,520 --> 01:39:09,200
Speaker 10: I'm trying to get on the level of the Transition

1750
01:39:09,280 --> 01:39:12,000
Speaker 10: Town realists on the outs of path that are building networks,

1751
01:39:12,000 --> 01:39:16,320
Speaker 10: building community, and building sustainability. Highly suggests that if you're

1752
01:39:16,320 --> 01:39:19,519
Speaker 10: looking for ways to help out in your local situation,

1753
01:39:20,760 --> 01:39:23,479
Speaker 10: check out the Transition Town network and see how you

1754
01:39:23,520 --> 01:39:26,280
Speaker 10: can tap in or start your own initiative and your

1755
01:39:26,320 --> 01:39:30,320
Speaker 10: own area. That's all I have for now or power

1756
01:39:30,360 --> 01:39:32,960
Speaker 10: to all the people. This is it could happen here.

1757
01:39:33,680 --> 01:39:39,080
Speaker 10: I am Andrew, This is Garason, Peace.

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01:39:53,520 --> 01:39:56,400
Speaker 12: Hello, this is it could happen here, and I am

1759
01:39:56,479 --> 01:39:59,519
Speaker 12: sureen Today we have an update for you about what

1760
01:39:59,560 --> 01:40:03,160
Speaker 12: has happened in Palestine. There is a lot that is

1761
01:40:03,200 --> 01:40:06,360
Speaker 12: happening in Palestine, way way too much to cover in

1762
01:40:06,400 --> 01:40:09,599
Speaker 12: a single podcast episode, but I hope this at least

1763
01:40:09,640 --> 01:40:12,280
Speaker 12: gives you a general idea of where we currently stand,

1764
01:40:13,240 --> 01:40:16,919
Speaker 12: just for clarity and context. I am recording this on Tuesday,

1765
01:40:16,960 --> 01:40:21,960
Speaker 12: March twelfth, so any numbers I mention, unfortunately and probably

1766
01:40:22,080 --> 01:40:25,760
Speaker 12: are different now at this point, there have been over

1767
01:40:25,840 --> 01:40:29,719
Speaker 12: five months of bombardment and genocide, and this has caused

1768
01:40:29,720 --> 01:40:33,439
Speaker 12: a humanitarian crisis in Gaza, with children starving to death

1769
01:40:33,560 --> 01:40:38,080
Speaker 12: due to malnutrition and dehydration. As Israel has imposed restrictions

1770
01:40:38,080 --> 01:40:41,760
Speaker 12: on aid deliveries to Gaza, five months of genocide on

1771
01:40:41,840 --> 01:40:43,840
Speaker 12: top of more than a decade and a half of

1772
01:40:43,880 --> 01:40:47,839
Speaker 12: blockade have caused relentless mental harm to children in Gaza.

1773
01:40:48,160 --> 01:40:51,400
Speaker 12: According to our report released by Save the Children on Tuesday,

1774
01:40:52,360 --> 01:40:56,040
Speaker 12: twenty five Palestinians and Graza, including out least twenty children

1775
01:40:56,120 --> 01:40:59,160
Speaker 12: and a two month old baby, have died of malnutrition

1776
01:40:59,240 --> 01:41:03,559
Speaker 12: and dehydration. According to the Palestinian Ministry of Health, the

1777
01:41:03,640 --> 01:41:06,519
Speaker 12: true death toll due to starvation is feared to be

1778
01:41:06,640 --> 01:41:11,360
Speaker 12: much higher as many Palestinians, particularly in northern Gaza, face

1779
01:41:11,439 --> 01:41:14,640
Speaker 12: famine and are almost entirely cut off from the severely

1780
01:41:14,760 --> 01:41:18,519
Speaker 12: limited humanitarian aid which is entering Gaza through the southern

1781
01:41:18,680 --> 01:41:23,040
Speaker 12: Rapah crossing. Many Israelis have also been blocking aid from

1782
01:41:23,200 --> 01:41:27,200
Speaker 12: entering Gaza. A group of Israeli protesters have been blocking

1783
01:41:27,280 --> 01:41:30,519
Speaker 12: aid trucks from crossing into the Gaza Strip for weeks now,

1784
01:41:30,960 --> 01:41:34,320
Speaker 12: vowing that quote not a single loaf of bread should

1785
01:41:34,400 --> 01:41:36,960
Speaker 12: reach those trapped in the tiny region of the Gaza

1786
01:41:37,040 --> 01:41:41,879
Speaker 12: strip until all remaining hostages are released. The area around

1787
01:41:42,000 --> 01:41:45,880
Speaker 12: Karam Shalom, which is Israel's only functioning border crossing with Gaza,

1788
01:41:46,320 --> 01:41:49,559
Speaker 12: is a closed military zone, but the IOF officers and

1789
01:41:49,600 --> 01:41:53,240
Speaker 12: their presence there hardly deters the dozens of protesters, who

1790
01:41:53,240 --> 01:41:57,440
Speaker 12: are mostly settlers, families of hostages, and deactivated military reservists.

1791
01:41:57,840 --> 01:42:00,400
Speaker 12: It does not deter them from trekking through the area

1792
01:42:00,439 --> 01:42:03,200
Speaker 12: and protesting in an attempt to slow AID trucks from

1793
01:42:03,320 --> 01:42:07,639
Speaker 12: entering Razza. I'm noticing right now that I'm interchangeably using

1794
01:42:08,080 --> 01:42:11,679
Speaker 12: Gaza and Razza. Raza's just how you say in Arabic.

1795
01:42:12,000 --> 01:42:17,679
Speaker 12: U sofoye if I jump around my apologies on the ground,

1796
01:42:17,760 --> 01:42:22,160
Speaker 12: CNN recorded an interview with protester w Sharon. She pointed

1797
01:42:22,160 --> 01:42:25,599
Speaker 12: to an AID truck convoy and said, this arrives into

1798
01:42:25,600 --> 01:42:29,240
Speaker 12: the tunnels of Hamas, fighting us and holding our hostages.

1799
01:42:31,240 --> 01:42:34,000
Speaker 12: There is no evidence that the majority of AID, including

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01:42:34,040 --> 01:42:38,280
Speaker 12: food and medical supplies, is going to Hamas. Sharon and

1801
01:42:38,320 --> 01:42:42,320
Speaker 12: her fellow protesters are demanding that AIDS stop entering Gaza,

1802
01:42:42,600 --> 01:42:46,439
Speaker 12: where over thirty thousand people have now been killed, according

1803
01:42:46,439 --> 01:42:49,400
Speaker 12: to the Palestinian Ministry of Health, with people at an

1804
01:42:49,400 --> 01:42:54,320
Speaker 12: increasing risk of starvation. Another protester named Katya said they

1805
01:42:54,360 --> 01:42:57,760
Speaker 12: should only get the minimum calories to survive if they

1806
01:42:57,800 --> 01:43:00,880
Speaker 12: are starving to death, give the hostages back. Not a

1807
01:43:00,920 --> 01:43:04,000
Speaker 12: single loaf of bread should go there till our hostages

1808
01:43:04,040 --> 01:43:07,960
Speaker 12: are coming back. When questioned about the scale of human

1809
01:43:08,000 --> 01:43:13,280
Speaker 12: suffering in Gaza, Katya seemed unmoved. She said, even if

1810
01:43:13,320 --> 01:43:16,760
Speaker 12: there is a humanitarian crisis, and there is not, it

1811
01:43:16,840 --> 01:43:19,679
Speaker 12: is my right and my duty to prioritize the Kiffeta

1812
01:43:19,720 --> 01:43:24,360
Speaker 12: Bibas over any Gazan babies. Kiffitabebas is a one year

1813
01:43:24,360 --> 01:43:28,439
Speaker 12: old who is being held hostage along with the baby's parents,

1814
01:43:29,160 --> 01:43:33,080
Speaker 12: So that's what she's referring to, prioritizing Israeli babies over

1815
01:43:33,479 --> 01:43:39,560
Speaker 12: Palestinian babies. Very little AID has made it into Palestine,

1816
01:43:39,960 --> 01:43:43,280
Speaker 12: and perhaps nothing captures what the US and Israel actually are.

1817
01:43:43,720 --> 01:43:45,760
Speaker 12: Then a picture that has been making the rounds on

1818
01:43:45,800 --> 01:43:49,879
Speaker 12: social media recently. It's a photograph showing US AID drops

1819
01:43:50,000 --> 01:43:54,280
Speaker 12: and Israeli airstrikes targeting civilian areas in northern Gaza, happening

1820
01:43:54,320 --> 01:43:57,840
Speaker 12: at the same time. Falling on the rubble of destroyed buildings.

1821
01:43:58,840 --> 01:44:02,439
Speaker 12: The AID and to the airstrikes dropping at the same

1822
01:44:02,600 --> 01:44:07,439
Speaker 12: moment is dystopian and beyond fucked up. Since October seventh,

1823
01:44:07,479 --> 01:44:11,080
Speaker 12: Israel has also shut off entry of food, water, and medicine,

1824
01:44:11,120 --> 01:44:14,759
Speaker 12: as well as other supplies from entering Gaza, only allowing

1825
01:44:14,800 --> 01:44:17,759
Speaker 12: a trickle of AID trucks through two crossings in the south.

1826
01:44:18,400 --> 01:44:21,479
Speaker 12: Israel has blamed the starvation that Palestinians are enduring in

1827
01:44:21,560 --> 01:44:25,240
Speaker 12: Gaza on UN agencies, saying that they fail to distribute

1828
01:44:25,240 --> 01:44:29,880
Speaker 12: supplies piling up at Gaza crossings. The UNRWA, which is

1829
01:44:29,880 --> 01:44:34,040
Speaker 12: the largest UN agency in Gaza, says Israel restricts goods

1830
01:44:34,080 --> 01:44:38,280
Speaker 12: and imposes cumbersome inspections that slow entry of aid. Also,

1831
01:44:38,479 --> 01:44:42,559
Speaker 12: distribution within Gaza has been crippled. UN officials say. They

1832
01:44:42,600 --> 01:44:45,960
Speaker 12: say that convoys regularly are turned back by Israeli forces

1833
01:44:46,320 --> 01:44:49,879
Speaker 12: and that the military often refuses safe passage amid fighting,

1834
01:44:50,240 --> 01:44:52,040
Speaker 12: and that the aid does not get to the people

1835
01:44:52,080 --> 01:44:55,040
Speaker 12: that need it the most, often being grabbed from trucks

1836
01:44:55,080 --> 01:44:57,920
Speaker 12: by hungry Palestinians en route to the drop off points.

1837
01:44:58,800 --> 01:45:01,120
Speaker 12: Recent air drops of AI by the US and other

1838
01:45:01,160 --> 01:45:05,000
Speaker 12: countries provide far lower amounts of aid than truck deliveries,

1839
01:45:05,160 --> 01:45:09,440
Speaker 12: which have become increasingly more rare, and they're also sometimes dangerous.

1840
01:45:10,240 --> 01:45:13,720
Speaker 12: The UNRWA says that Israeli authorities haven't allowed it to

1841
01:45:13,720 --> 01:45:17,360
Speaker 12: deliver supplies to the north of Gaza since January twenty third.

1842
01:45:18,320 --> 01:45:21,320
Speaker 12: The World Food Organization, which had paused deliveries because of

1843
01:45:21,360 --> 01:45:25,200
Speaker 12: safety concerns, said the military forced its first convoy to

1844
01:45:25,200 --> 01:45:28,120
Speaker 12: the north in two weeks to turn back on Tuesday.

1845
01:45:29,800 --> 01:45:32,439
Speaker 12: Jarine from the Future is here just for this quick update.

1846
01:45:33,120 --> 01:45:37,360
Speaker 12: Yesterday Wednesday, Israeli forces hit a food distribution center and

1847
01:45:37,439 --> 01:45:41,479
Speaker 12: aid's center in Rapha. The UNRWA said that one of

1848
01:45:41,479 --> 01:45:44,200
Speaker 12: their staff members were killed and twenty two others were injured,

1849
01:45:44,240 --> 01:45:46,400
Speaker 12: and it said up to sixty people were believed to

1850
01:45:46,400 --> 01:45:49,960
Speaker 12: have been working there when it was hit. Those killed

1851
01:45:49,960 --> 01:45:51,840
Speaker 12: were said to be a fifteen year old boy and

1852
01:45:51,960 --> 01:45:54,679
Speaker 12: four men who were between twenty seven and fifty years old.

1853
01:45:55,280 --> 01:45:59,759
Speaker 12: Rafa resident Sami Abu Salim said it's a UNRWA center

1854
01:46:00,160 --> 01:46:04,080
Speaker 12: expected to be secure. Some came to work to distribute

1855
01:46:04,120 --> 01:46:06,240
Speaker 12: aid to the people in need of food during the

1856
01:46:06,240 --> 01:46:10,080
Speaker 12: holy month of Ramadan. Suddenly they were struck by two missiles.

1857
01:46:11,520 --> 01:46:16,080
Speaker 12: The UNRWA chief Philippe Lazarini said in a statement that

1858
01:46:16,160 --> 01:46:19,679
Speaker 12: it was one of the very few UNWA distribution centers

1859
01:46:19,680 --> 01:46:22,120
Speaker 12: that was still operating in Gaza after these five months

1860
01:46:22,160 --> 01:46:25,799
Speaker 12: of genocide. He said, this attack comes as food supplies

1861
01:46:25,840 --> 01:46:29,280
Speaker 12: are running out, Hunger is widespread and in some areas

1862
01:46:29,320 --> 01:46:33,439
Speaker 12: turning into famine. Every day. We share the coordinates of

1863
01:46:33,479 --> 01:46:36,599
Speaker 12: all of our facilities across the Gaza Strip with parties

1864
01:46:36,600 --> 01:46:40,960
Speaker 12: to the conflict. The Israeli Army received the coordinates, including

1865
01:46:41,120 --> 01:46:45,559
Speaker 12: this facility yesterday. Since October, the un r WA says

1866
01:46:45,560 --> 01:46:47,960
Speaker 12: at least one hundred and sixty five of its thirteen

1867
01:46:48,000 --> 01:46:51,080
Speaker 12: thousand employees in Gaza have been killed and that more

1868
01:46:51,120 --> 01:46:53,840
Speaker 12: than one hundred and fifty of its facilities have been

1869
01:46:53,920 --> 01:46:58,599
Speaker 12: hit by Israeli forces. Here are the latest casualty figures

1870
01:46:58,680 --> 01:47:02,599
Speaker 12: as of March thirteenth, at twelve forty pm in Gaza,

1871
01:47:03,160 --> 01:47:06,200
Speaker 12: there are at least thirty one thousand, two hundred and

1872
01:47:06,240 --> 01:47:09,880
Speaker 12: seventy two people who have been killed. Of those, there

1873
01:47:09,880 --> 01:47:12,719
Speaker 12: are twelve thousand and three hundred children who have been killed,

1874
01:47:12,960 --> 01:47:15,200
Speaker 12: as well as eight thousand, four hundred women who have

1875
01:47:15,240 --> 01:47:18,479
Speaker 12: been killed. There are more than seventy three thousand and

1876
01:47:18,520 --> 01:47:22,439
Speaker 12: twenty four people who have been injured, including eight thousand

1877
01:47:22,560 --> 01:47:24,800
Speaker 12: and six hundred and sixty three children who have been

1878
01:47:24,840 --> 01:47:27,840
Speaker 12: injured and six thousand, three hundred and twenty seven women

1879
01:47:27,880 --> 01:47:31,200
Speaker 12: who have been injured. There are more than eight thousand

1880
01:47:31,200 --> 01:47:35,559
Speaker 12: Palestinians who are missing in Gaza. The latest figures from

1881
01:47:35,600 --> 01:47:38,479
Speaker 12: the Palestinian Ministry of Health for the occupied West Bank

1882
01:47:38,880 --> 01:47:42,200
Speaker 12: is as follows. At least four hundred and thirty two

1883
01:47:42,200 --> 01:47:45,439
Speaker 12: people have been killed, including more than one hundred and

1884
01:47:45,479 --> 01:47:50,280
Speaker 12: fifteen children. There are more than four thousand, six hundred

1885
01:47:50,320 --> 01:47:53,160
Speaker 12: and fifty Palestinians who have been injured in the West Bank.

1886
01:47:53,720 --> 01:47:56,919
Speaker 12: In Israel, officials have revised the death toll from October

1887
01:47:56,960 --> 01:48:00,000
Speaker 12: seventh from one thousand, four hundred and five to one

1888
01:48:00,000 --> 01:48:03,000
Speaker 12: one thousand, one hundred and thirty nine. As far as

1889
01:48:03,080 --> 01:48:05,559
Speaker 12: the injured go, in Israel, there are at least eight thousand,

1890
01:48:05,640 --> 01:48:08,960
Speaker 12: seven hundred and thirty people who have been injured, according

1891
01:48:09,000 --> 01:48:11,200
Speaker 12: to the latest data from the UN's Office for the

1892
01:48:11,240 --> 01:48:15,080
Speaker 12: Coordination of Humanitarian Affairs, the World Health Organization, as well

1893
01:48:15,080 --> 01:48:18,879
Speaker 12: as the Palestinian government. As of February twenty five, Israeli

1894
01:48:18,880 --> 01:48:22,800
Speaker 12: attacks have damaged more than half of Gaza's homes, three

1895
01:48:22,920 --> 01:48:26,959
Speaker 12: hundred and sixty thousand residential units have been destroyed or damaged.

1896
01:48:27,560 --> 01:48:30,960
Speaker 12: There have been three hundred and ninety two educational facilities

1897
01:48:30,960 --> 01:48:34,519
Speaker 12: that have been destroyed, including all universities. Twelve out of

1898
01:48:34,520 --> 01:48:38,479
Speaker 12: the thirty five hospitals are partially functioning. One hundred and

1899
01:48:38,479 --> 01:48:41,680
Speaker 12: thirty two ground water wells have been damaged or destroyed.

1900
01:48:42,400 --> 01:48:45,439
Speaker 12: Two hundred and sixty seven places of worship have also

1901
01:48:45,479 --> 01:48:51,680
Speaker 12: been destroyed. I really want to emphasize how damaging starvation

1902
01:48:52,000 --> 01:48:56,479
Speaker 12: is and famine is. Starvation causes a long lasting damage

1903
01:48:56,520 --> 01:48:59,720
Speaker 12: to the body. Large numbers of people in Gaza are

1904
01:48:59,760 --> 01:49:04,679
Speaker 12: CCXI experiencing malnutrition. Studies of famines in other countries show

1905
01:49:04,760 --> 01:49:08,240
Speaker 12: that famines can have long lasting impacts on people's health

1906
01:49:08,360 --> 01:49:12,400
Speaker 12: and even that of their descendants. A new type of

1907
01:49:12,520 --> 01:49:16,519
Speaker 12: video has been circulating online from the Raza Strip, footage

1908
01:49:16,560 --> 01:49:20,400
Speaker 12: showing families baking quote unquote bread which is made from

1909
01:49:20,439 --> 01:49:24,240
Speaker 12: bird seed, eating weeds, and giving newborn babies dat to

1910
01:49:24,280 --> 01:49:28,160
Speaker 12: stuck on instead of milk. The Accountability Program director at

1911
01:49:28,200 --> 01:49:32,840
Speaker 12: Defense for Children International Palestine said it is unthinkable that

1912
01:49:32,880 --> 01:49:35,960
Speaker 12: in twenty twenty four, in a world that produces more

1913
01:49:36,000 --> 01:49:39,559
Speaker 12: than enough food for all people. That Palestinian children are

1914
01:49:39,640 --> 01:49:43,599
Speaker 12: starving to death. The starvation of children is a hallmark

1915
01:49:43,640 --> 01:49:47,639
Speaker 12: of jedocide and a deliberate political choice by Israel, backed

1916
01:49:47,640 --> 01:49:51,479
Speaker 12: by the Biden administration. It is complete madness that Israeli

1917
01:49:51,520 --> 01:49:55,120
Speaker 12: authorities continue to prohibit and restrict food and other life

1918
01:49:55,200 --> 01:49:59,960
Speaker 12: saving supplies to a starving population while the international community stands.

1919
01:50:01,479 --> 01:50:05,559
Speaker 12: Palestinians in Gaza started to experience chronic hunger within weeks

1920
01:50:05,560 --> 01:50:09,280
Speaker 12: of October seventh. At this point in time, Israeli strikes

1921
01:50:09,280 --> 01:50:13,160
Speaker 12: have killed more than thirty thousand Palestinians, and this is

1922
01:50:13,160 --> 01:50:16,680
Speaker 12: according to Gaza's Ministry of Health. The death tolls that

1923
01:50:16,720 --> 01:50:19,599
Speaker 12: come out of the Palestinian Ministry of Health. They account

1924
01:50:19,600 --> 01:50:22,920
Speaker 12: for Palestinians who die at hospitals or whose families report

1925
01:50:22,960 --> 01:50:26,799
Speaker 12: their deaths to the ministry. Due to the telecommunications blackout,

1926
01:50:26,920 --> 01:50:30,240
Speaker 12: the collapse of the medical system, Israeli ground invasion and

1927
01:50:30,320 --> 01:50:34,600
Speaker 12: continued Israeli aerial bombardment, many Palestinians are not able to

1928
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Speaker 12: reach hospitals and so this number is likely far far

1929
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Speaker 12: greater than it actually is. And as I mentioned, Israeli

1930
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Speaker 12: authorities have repeatedly blocked and severely restricted any humanitarian aid

1931
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Speaker 12: from entering Gaza. On Tuesday, Israeli forces attacked Palestinians who

1932
01:50:51,280 --> 01:50:54,080
Speaker 12: were waiting for aid trucks at the Kuwait roundabout south

1933
01:50:54,080 --> 01:50:58,439
Speaker 12: of Gaza City and they killed seven people. Keep in mind,

1934
01:50:58,600 --> 01:51:01,719
Speaker 12: this is after what has become known as the Flower Massacre.

1935
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Speaker 12: On February twenty ninth, the Israeli Occupation Forces aka the

1936
01:51:06,040 --> 01:51:10,160
Speaker 12: IOF killed at least one hundred and eighteen Palestinians who

1937
01:51:10,160 --> 01:51:13,280
Speaker 12: were attempting to get aid from a convoy in Gaza City.

1938
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Speaker 12: In this Flower massacre. Along with the one hundred and

1939
01:51:16,600 --> 01:51:19,599
Speaker 12: eighteen Palestinians who were shot and killed, at least seven

1940
01:51:19,720 --> 01:51:23,559
Speaker 12: hundred and fifty additional Palestinians were injured. They were just

1941
01:51:23,680 --> 01:51:26,439
Speaker 12: trying to get food from the aid trucks to feed

1942
01:51:26,560 --> 01:51:30,400
Speaker 12: their family. The United States recently delivered two air drops

1943
01:51:30,400 --> 01:51:34,439
Speaker 12: of aid alongside the Jordanian military into northern Gaza. The

1944
01:51:34,479 --> 01:51:37,639
Speaker 12: air drops contained a total of seventy four thousand, eight

1945
01:51:37,720 --> 01:51:41,160
Speaker 12: hundred meals, and this was widely criticized as a public

1946
01:51:41,200 --> 01:51:45,120
Speaker 12: relations move because the Biden administration is still clearly complicit

1947
01:51:45,320 --> 01:51:51,600
Speaker 12: in Israel's genocide of Palestinians. International criminal law prohibits serious atrocities,

1948
01:51:51,680 --> 01:51:55,759
Speaker 12: including core crimes of genocide, the crime of aggression, crimes

1949
01:51:55,760 --> 01:51:59,880
Speaker 12: against humanity, and war crimes, and provides for individual crime

1950
01:52:00,280 --> 01:52:05,320
Speaker 12: responsibility for perpetrators. The crime of genocide constitutes the deliberate

1951
01:52:05,400 --> 01:52:08,280
Speaker 12: killing of a large number of people from a particular

1952
01:52:08,400 --> 01:52:11,400
Speaker 12: nation or ethnic group with the aim of destroying that

1953
01:52:11,479 --> 01:52:15,439
Speaker 12: nation or group in whole or in part. Genocide can

1954
01:52:15,520 --> 01:52:18,640
Speaker 12: result from killing or by creating conditions of life that

1955
01:52:18,680 --> 01:52:23,559
Speaker 12: are so unbearable. Intentionally using starvation of civilians as a

1956
01:52:23,600 --> 01:52:27,720
Speaker 12: method of warfare is an underlying act of genocide and

1957
01:52:27,760 --> 01:52:30,759
Speaker 12: it amounts to a war crime. I've said this before

1958
01:52:30,800 --> 01:52:33,240
Speaker 12: on this podcast. I'll say it again, but at this

1959
01:52:33,320 --> 01:52:37,120
Speaker 12: point international law means nothing. I mean, it hasn't been

1960
01:52:37,160 --> 01:52:40,000
Speaker 12: anything for a long time. Nothing happens with Israel continues

1961
01:52:40,040 --> 01:52:44,640
Speaker 12: to break international law. So though that phrase is a

1962
01:52:44,680 --> 01:52:46,840
Speaker 12: little empty to me when they are in violation of

1963
01:52:46,880 --> 01:52:51,080
Speaker 12: international law, but here we are, and it should be

1964
01:52:51,120 --> 01:52:54,800
Speaker 12: noted that starvation of civilians also contributes and is an

1965
01:52:54,840 --> 01:52:58,160
Speaker 12: active genocide. I've talked about why this is genocide in

1966
01:52:58,200 --> 01:53:01,400
Speaker 12: other episodes, but it's clear act of genocide. What Israel

1967
01:53:01,479 --> 01:53:06,960
Speaker 12: is doing to Palestinians and many scholars agree with that. Anyway,

1968
01:53:07,200 --> 01:53:11,160
Speaker 12: let's continue. As weeks of blockades on food and other

1969
01:53:11,240 --> 01:53:16,160
Speaker 12: aid have turned into months, starvation has reached historic proportions.

1970
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Speaker 12: One recent report by the Global Nutrition Cluster, which is

1971
01:53:20,240 --> 01:53:24,479
Speaker 12: a United Nations Children's Fund, a UNISEF led partnership of

1972
01:53:24,560 --> 01:53:28,800
Speaker 12: humanitarian organizations, It found that in December of twenty twenty three,

1973
01:53:29,120 --> 01:53:32,719
Speaker 12: in January of twenty twenty four, nine and ten children

1974
01:53:32,800 --> 01:53:35,760
Speaker 12: under the age of two and more than nine and

1975
01:53:35,880 --> 01:53:40,200
Speaker 12: ten pregnant and breastfeeding women surveyed had consumed two or

1976
01:53:40,280 --> 01:53:44,400
Speaker 12: fewer food groups in the previous day. This situation is

1977
01:53:44,439 --> 01:53:49,320
Speaker 12: considered severe food poverty. Nearly two thirds of households were

1978
01:53:49,320 --> 01:53:53,000
Speaker 12: eating just once a day, if at all. In the

1979
01:53:53,040 --> 01:53:56,439
Speaker 12: northern Gaza Strip, one in six babies and toddlers were

1980
01:53:56,479 --> 01:54:01,280
Speaker 12: acutely malnourished. Aid organizations say that these numbers today are

1981
01:54:01,479 --> 01:54:04,360
Speaker 12: likely to be far, far worse, and that the rapid

1982
01:54:04,400 --> 01:54:09,479
Speaker 12: onset and complexity of Gaza's food crisis is unprecedented. Ted

1983
01:54:09,600 --> 01:54:13,559
Speaker 12: Chaiban is the Deputy Executive Director for Humanitarian Action and

1984
01:54:13,640 --> 01:54:17,519
Speaker 12: Supply Operations at UNICEF. He said in a recent statement

1985
01:54:18,160 --> 01:54:21,640
Speaker 12: the Gaza Strip is poised to witness and explosion in

1986
01:54:21,720 --> 01:54:26,000
Speaker 12: preventable child deaths. If the conflict does not end now,

1987
01:54:26,400 --> 01:54:31,320
Speaker 12: children's nutrition will continue to plummet, leading to preventable deaths

1988
01:54:31,479 --> 01:54:34,480
Speaker 12: or health issues which will affect the children of Gaza

1989
01:54:34,560 --> 01:54:39,520
Speaker 12: for the rest of their lives and have potential intergenerational consequences.

1990
01:54:39,960 --> 01:54:42,760
Speaker 12: There are nearly two point two million people living in

1991
01:54:42,800 --> 01:54:46,560
Speaker 12: the Gaza Strip, nearly half of whom are children. Nearly

1992
01:54:46,600 --> 01:54:50,640
Speaker 12: one hundred and sixty million other people worldwide are facing hunger,

1993
01:54:51,000 --> 01:54:56,040
Speaker 12: including millions of people in Somalia, Afghanistan and Sudan. The

1994
01:54:56,120 --> 01:55:00,520
Speaker 12: short term health consequences of food scarcity have been studied intensively.

1995
01:55:01,320 --> 01:55:06,120
Speaker 12: In children, an especially vulnerable group. Severe acute malnutrition can

1996
01:55:06,200 --> 01:55:13,120
Speaker 12: lead to muscle wasting, stunted growth, and medical complications including sepsis, meningitis, diarrhea,

1997
01:55:13,240 --> 01:55:18,040
Speaker 12: and severe anemia. Worldwide, nearly half of all deaths of

1998
01:55:18,120 --> 01:55:21,880
Speaker 12: children less than five years of age are linked to malnutrition.

1999
01:55:22,880 --> 01:55:25,520
Speaker 12: A growing body of research is finding that even if

2000
01:55:25,520 --> 01:55:29,240
Speaker 12: these children return to normal nutrition levels, a period of

2001
01:55:29,280 --> 01:55:33,480
Speaker 12: acute malnutrition can lead to long lasting damage later in life,

2002
01:55:33,720 --> 01:55:37,360
Speaker 12: and it may impact future generations. This is one of

2003
01:55:37,480 --> 01:55:41,000
Speaker 12: many examples of why Israel's genocide of the Palestinian people

2004
01:55:41,480 --> 01:55:44,640
Speaker 12: isn't just about death and the lives they've destroyed and

2005
01:55:44,720 --> 01:55:49,400
Speaker 12: the land that they've taken. Israel's genocide is also about

2006
01:55:49,480 --> 01:55:54,520
Speaker 12: robbing Palestinians of any livable future, affecting generations of Palestinians

2007
01:55:54,520 --> 01:55:57,600
Speaker 12: to come, and they've done this since nineteen forty eight.

2008
01:55:58,480 --> 01:56:01,000
Speaker 12: That's why it's no accident when children are targeted by

2009
01:56:01,000 --> 01:56:04,920
Speaker 12: the IOF, when they're starving or when they're shot. They

2010
01:56:04,960 --> 01:56:07,760
Speaker 12: are murdered as a way to prevent Palestinians from having

2011
01:56:07,840 --> 01:56:11,520
Speaker 12: a future or having any hope. We see how the

2012
01:56:11,560 --> 01:56:15,640
Speaker 12: IOF shoots children with the intention to kill. There are many,

2013
01:56:15,960 --> 01:56:19,640
Speaker 12: many examples of this, but here's a recent example. Two

2014
01:56:19,800 --> 01:56:22,800
Speaker 12: children were killed in November in the West Bank. Adam

2015
01:56:22,920 --> 01:56:26,320
Speaker 12: Samer Elrul, eight years old, was shot in the head.

2016
01:56:27,360 --> 01:56:31,680
Speaker 12: Bazdez uleemn Abu Edwafa, fifteen years old, was shot in

2017
01:56:31,720 --> 01:56:37,160
Speaker 12: the chest. These children were both murdered and shot with

2018
01:56:37,200 --> 01:56:41,360
Speaker 12: the intention to kill. The Israeli military and border police

2019
01:56:41,360 --> 01:56:45,120
Speaker 12: forces have been killing Palestinian children with virtually no recourse

2020
01:56:45,160 --> 01:56:49,920
Speaker 12: for accountability for decades. Back in August of twenty twenty three,

2021
01:56:50,320 --> 01:56:54,800
Speaker 12: well before October seventh of twenty twenty three, Bill van Esfeld,

2022
01:56:54,920 --> 01:56:58,400
Speaker 12: who was the Associate Children's Rights director at Human Rights Watch,

2023
01:56:58,600 --> 01:57:03,440
Speaker 12: said Israeli forces are gunning down Palestinian children living under

2024
01:57:03,480 --> 01:57:10,040
Speaker 12: occupation with increasing frequency. Unless Israel's allies, particularly the United States,

2025
01:57:10,400 --> 01:57:15,200
Speaker 12: pressure israel to change course, more Palestinian children will be killed.

2026
01:57:16,040 --> 01:57:20,120
Speaker 12: And that is exactly what has been happening. Many, many

2027
01:57:20,160 --> 01:57:25,000
Speaker 12: more Palestinian children have been killed, all preventable. Human Rights

2028
01:57:25,000 --> 01:57:29,320
Speaker 12: Watch researchers and documenting four killings that happened interviewed in

2029
01:57:29,400 --> 01:57:34,240
Speaker 12: person seven witnesses, nine family members and other residents, lawyers, doctors,

2030
01:57:34,280 --> 01:57:38,000
Speaker 12: staff and field workers at Palestinian and Israeli rights groups,

2031
01:57:38,240 --> 01:57:41,240
Speaker 12: as well as reviews CCTV footage and videos that were

2032
01:57:41,240 --> 01:57:44,200
Speaker 12: posted on social media, as well as statements by Israeli

2033
01:57:44,240 --> 01:57:48,920
Speaker 12: security agencies, medical records, and news reports. In all cases

2034
01:57:48,960 --> 01:57:53,560
Speaker 12: that they researched, Israeli forces shot the children's upper bodies without,

2035
01:57:53,680 --> 01:57:57,760
Speaker 12: according to witnesses, issuing warnings or using common less lethal

2036
01:57:57,840 --> 01:58:02,080
Speaker 12: measures like tear gas, concussion grenades, or rubber coated bullets.

2037
01:58:02,640 --> 01:58:05,400
Speaker 12: I also want to draw attention to how this genocide

2038
01:58:05,440 --> 01:58:08,720
Speaker 12: is also a mass disabling event that will harm an

2039
01:58:08,880 --> 01:58:12,200
Speaker 12: entire generation and make them reliant on infrastructure that does

2040
01:58:12,240 --> 01:58:16,680
Speaker 12: not physically exist. More than ten children a day lose

2041
01:58:16,720 --> 01:58:19,000
Speaker 12: a limb in Gaza, and this is from the source.

2042
01:58:19,000 --> 01:58:23,280
Speaker 12: To save the children. At least seventeen thousand children, which

2043
01:58:23,320 --> 01:58:26,400
Speaker 12: is one percent of Gaza's overall displaced population of one

2044
01:58:26,440 --> 01:58:29,760
Speaker 12: point seven million, have now been orphaned in the Gaza

2045
01:58:29,800 --> 01:58:33,120
Speaker 12: strip and the number of children who have been killed

2046
01:58:33,160 --> 01:58:37,560
Speaker 12: in Gaza. This number is now reaching thirteen thousand children.

2047
01:58:38,760 --> 01:58:41,960
Speaker 12: The number of children reported killed in just four months

2048
01:58:41,960 --> 01:58:45,040
Speaker 12: in Gaza is higher than the number of children killed

2049
01:58:45,280 --> 01:58:50,480
Speaker 12: in four years of war around the world combined. Let's

2050
01:58:50,520 --> 01:59:05,240
Speaker 12: take an ad break and we'll be right back, and

2051
01:59:05,520 --> 01:59:08,960
Speaker 12: we are back. In the twenty four hours between Sunday,

2052
01:59:09,040 --> 01:59:12,760
Speaker 12: March tenth and Monday, March eleventh, during which the vast

2053
01:59:12,800 --> 01:59:16,560
Speaker 12: majority of Americans were busy watching the stupid fucking oscars,

2054
01:59:17,080 --> 01:59:21,360
Speaker 12: seven massacres were committed by Israeli occupation forces against families

2055
01:59:21,360 --> 01:59:25,840
Speaker 12: in Laza, killing sixty seven Palestinians and injuring one hundred

2056
01:59:25,880 --> 01:59:29,840
Speaker 12: and six others. This happened as people were distracted by

2057
01:59:29,880 --> 01:59:35,680
Speaker 12: watching this dumb display of nothing. Palestinians are continuing to

2058
01:59:35,720 --> 01:59:40,000
Speaker 12: be murdered. And as for where things currently stand right now,

2059
01:59:40,360 --> 01:59:43,520
Speaker 12: there are more than one point seven million civilians who

2060
01:59:43,560 --> 01:59:46,480
Speaker 12: are trapped in the Dephah, which is Gaza's last place

2061
01:59:46,520 --> 01:59:49,400
Speaker 12: of refuge. It's right on the south, on the southern border.

2062
01:59:49,880 --> 01:59:53,160
Speaker 12: And this is after Israel kept telling Palestinians to go

2063
01:59:53,280 --> 01:59:56,160
Speaker 12: south because of these quote unquote safe zones that were

2064
01:59:56,200 --> 01:59:59,800
Speaker 12: clearly not safe at all. A massacre is happening in

2065
01:59:59,800 --> 02:00:03,320
Speaker 12: the right now, and the world is silent, and to

2066
02:00:03,360 --> 02:00:05,800
Speaker 12: make matters worse, not that they can get any worse.

2067
02:00:06,120 --> 02:00:09,320
Speaker 12: Israeli Prime Ministers Benjamin n Yahoo says that he intends

2068
02:00:09,400 --> 02:00:12,560
Speaker 12: to press ahead with the invasion of the city of Raphach.

2069
02:00:13,200 --> 02:00:16,640
Speaker 12: Joe Biden useless warned that the offensive would be a

2070
02:00:16,720 --> 02:00:20,680
Speaker 12: quote red line. But as we know, a slap on

2071
02:00:20,720 --> 02:00:23,959
Speaker 12: the wrist for Israel means absolutely nothing, and they continue

2072
02:00:24,000 --> 02:00:27,720
Speaker 12: to act with impunity, without any repercussions. When asked on

2073
02:00:27,800 --> 02:00:31,919
Speaker 12: Sunday whether Israeli forces would move into Raa, Nan Yahu replied,

2074
02:00:32,280 --> 02:00:35,080
Speaker 12: we'll go there. We're not going to leave them. You know,

2075
02:00:35,440 --> 02:00:37,440
Speaker 12: I have a red line, and you know what the

2076
02:00:37,480 --> 02:00:40,480
Speaker 12: red line is that October seven does not happen again.

2077
02:00:40,640 --> 02:00:44,120
Speaker 12: It never happens again. He also dismissed the idea of

2078
02:00:44,160 --> 02:00:47,720
Speaker 12: a ceasefire for Ramadan, saying that he would like to

2079
02:00:47,760 --> 02:00:51,080
Speaker 12: see another hostage release because without a release, there's not

2080
02:00:51,120 --> 02:00:53,120
Speaker 12: going to be a pause in the fighting. And he

2081
02:00:53,160 --> 02:00:56,480
Speaker 12: also doubled down on his rejection of the possibility of

2082
02:00:56,520 --> 02:01:00,960
Speaker 12: a Palestinian state. He says, the positions that as bows

2083
02:01:01,000 --> 02:01:04,160
Speaker 12: are supported by the overwhelming majority of Israelis who say

2084
02:01:04,200 --> 02:01:07,240
Speaker 12: to you, after October seventh, we don't want to see

2085
02:01:07,280 --> 02:01:11,640
Speaker 12: a Palestinian state. The Israeli people also support my position

2086
02:01:12,040 --> 02:01:14,920
Speaker 12: that says that we should resoundingly reject the attempt to

2087
02:01:15,040 --> 02:01:18,440
Speaker 12: ram down our throats of Palestinian state. That is something

2088
02:01:18,600 --> 02:01:23,000
Speaker 12: they agree on. The evening of Sunday, March tenth was

2089
02:01:23,080 --> 02:01:26,280
Speaker 12: also the first day of the holy Muslim month of Ramadan.

2090
02:01:27,200 --> 02:01:30,120
Speaker 12: Tarik Ahmad, who is the UK Minister of the State

2091
02:01:30,240 --> 02:01:33,120
Speaker 12: responsible for relations to the Middle East, to North Africa

2092
02:01:33,160 --> 02:01:36,560
Speaker 12: and the UN, on Monday, he urged Israel to quote

2093
02:01:36,640 --> 02:01:41,920
Speaker 12: allow unhindered access to Jerusalem's holy sites during Ramadan. What

2094
02:01:41,960 --> 02:01:45,240
Speaker 12: has Israel done since then, you may ask, well, Israel

2095
02:01:45,360 --> 02:01:49,040
Speaker 12: has put up a barbed wire fence around the Uxamosque,

2096
02:01:49,240 --> 02:01:53,480
Speaker 12: something it hasn't done since nineteen sixty seven. Israel erected

2097
02:01:53,600 --> 02:01:56,600
Speaker 12: barbed wire on a fence around the Lions Gate area,

2098
02:01:56,680 --> 02:02:01,920
Speaker 12: adjacent to the Uzamosk complex and occupied Eastererusalem. The Jerusalem

2099
02:02:01,920 --> 02:02:05,680
Speaker 12: Governor's office itself said in a statement on Monday, this

2100
02:02:05,920 --> 02:02:09,480
Speaker 12: is a dangerous precedent that has never occurred since nineteen

2101
02:02:09,520 --> 02:02:14,360
Speaker 12: sixty seven. The Lions Gate, also known as Bab al Asabat,

2102
02:02:14,760 --> 02:02:17,800
Speaker 12: is located within Jerusalem's Old City and is one of

2103
02:02:17,840 --> 02:02:22,280
Speaker 12: the main gates leading to the Uxamosque. Israel clearly aims

2104
02:02:22,360 --> 02:02:26,400
Speaker 12: to prevent Palestinians from entering Uximosque during the holy month

2105
02:02:26,440 --> 02:02:30,879
Speaker 12: of Ramadan. Israeli forces have also imposed a strict siege

2106
02:02:30,960 --> 02:02:34,840
Speaker 12: on the Eluxamosque for the past five months, preventing entry

2107
02:02:34,880 --> 02:02:39,480
Speaker 12: into it. On Sunday night, Israeli forces prevented hundreds of

2108
02:02:39,480 --> 02:02:43,160
Speaker 12: Palestinians from entering the mosque to perform the Tearawekh, a

2109
02:02:43,200 --> 02:02:46,360
Speaker 12: special night of prayers during the holy month of Ramadan.

2110
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Speaker 12: They also beat a Palestinian man near Bab al Zehara,

2111
02:02:50,720 --> 02:02:53,440
Speaker 12: one of the gates leading to the mosque, before detaining

2112
02:02:53,520 --> 02:02:58,880
Speaker 12: him soldiers also reportedly detained an Eluximosque guard from the

2113
02:02:58,880 --> 02:03:02,800
Speaker 12: Old City of Jerusalem. Continuing along with the news from

2114
02:03:02,880 --> 02:03:06,920
Speaker 12: just this week, on Monday, Israeli forces arrested six Palestinian

2115
02:03:06,960 --> 02:03:11,280
Speaker 12: boys from the town of Sailla, northeast of occupied Jerusalem.

2116
02:03:11,600 --> 02:03:14,840
Speaker 12: Video footage showed a group of Israeli soldiers tying the

2117
02:03:14,880 --> 02:03:19,000
Speaker 12: Palestinians with a rope and dragging them in a humiliating

2118
02:03:19,040 --> 02:03:23,440
Speaker 12: manner through the streets of Essoella. You see this in

2119
02:03:23,520 --> 02:03:28,040
Speaker 12: this footage. They wrangle them and treat them like fucking cattle.

2120
02:03:28,160 --> 02:03:32,120
Speaker 12: Worse than fucking cattle. They're treated worse than animals. And

2121
02:03:32,160 --> 02:03:35,640
Speaker 12: the entire world is witnessing this. And what it's absolutely

2122
02:03:35,640 --> 02:03:39,040
Speaker 12: sickening to me is that so many Americans would probably

2123
02:03:39,080 --> 02:03:42,320
Speaker 12: care more about a dead dog than about a dead Palestinian.

2124
02:03:42,960 --> 02:03:45,600
Speaker 12: And if that sentence made you uncomfortable, well it's supposed to.

2125
02:03:46,280 --> 02:03:49,600
Speaker 12: Palestinians have not been treated or depicted as human for

2126
02:03:49,640 --> 02:03:53,360
Speaker 12: so long that it's just become normal. But it is

2127
02:03:53,400 --> 02:03:57,200
Speaker 12: not normal, and Palestinian life matters just as much as

2128
02:03:57,240 --> 02:04:10,520
Speaker 12: any other. I want to also take a moment to

2129
02:04:10,520 --> 02:04:13,480
Speaker 12: talk about what's happening in the West Bank. According to

2130
02:04:13,480 --> 02:04:17,800
Speaker 12: Amnesty International, Israeli forces have unleashed a brutal wave of

2131
02:04:17,920 --> 02:04:21,080
Speaker 12: violence against Palestinians and the occupied West Bank in the

2132
02:04:21,120 --> 02:04:25,840
Speaker 12: last five months, carrying out unlawful killings, including by using

2133
02:04:25,880 --> 02:04:30,800
Speaker 12: lethal force without necessity or disproportionately during protests and arrest raids,

2134
02:04:31,080 --> 02:04:34,680
Speaker 12: as well as denying medical assistance to those injured. The

2135
02:04:34,800 --> 02:04:39,960
Speaker 12: organization investigated four emblematic cases where Israeli forces used unlawful

2136
02:04:40,160 --> 02:04:44,080
Speaker 12: lethal force, three incidents in October and one in November,

2137
02:04:44,400 --> 02:04:48,320
Speaker 12: which resulted in the unlawful killing of twenty Palestinians, including

2138
02:04:48,400 --> 02:04:54,280
Speaker 12: seven children. Researchers remotely interviewed twelve people, ten of them eyewitnesses,

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Speaker 12: including first responders and local residents. The organization's Crisis Evidence

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Speaker 12: Lab verified nineteen videos and four photos in examining these

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Speaker 12: four incidents. Amnesty International's research also found that Israeli forces

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Speaker 12: obstructed medical assistance to people with life threatening wounds, as

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02:05:14,480 --> 02:05:19,280
Speaker 12: well as attacked those attempting to assist injured Palestinians, including paramedics.

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Speaker 12: Since October seventh, Israeli forces have stepped up raids, carrying

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Speaker 12: them out almost daily across the occupied West Bank and

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Speaker 12: what it describes as search and arrest operations. In one

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Speaker 12: recent incident that you may have seen online, Israeli forces

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Speaker 12: carried out arraid masquerading as medical staff. In twenty twenty three,

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Speaker 12: at least five hundred and seven Palestinians were killed in

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Speaker 12: the West Bank, including eighty one children, making it the

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Speaker 12: deadliest year for Palestinians since the United Nations Office for

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Speaker 12: the Coordination of Humanitarian Affairs began recording casualties in two

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Speaker 12: thousand five. Erica Guavera Rosas, Amnesty International Director of Global Research,

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Speaker 12: Advocacy and Policy, said under the cover of the relentless

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Speaker 12: bombardment and atrocity crimes in Gaza, Israeli forces have unleashed

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Speaker 12: unlawful lethal force against Palestinians in the occupied West Bank,

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02:06:16,920 --> 02:06:20,840
Speaker 12: carrying out unlawful killings and displaying a chilling disregard for

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Speaker 12: Palestinian lives. These unlawful killings are a blatant violation of

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Speaker 12: international human rights law and are committed with impunity in

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Speaker 12: the context of maintaining Israel's institutionalized regime of systematic oppression

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Speaker 12: and domination over Palestinians. These cases provide shocking evidence of

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Speaker 12: the deadly consequences of Israel's unlawful use of force against

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Speaker 12: Palestinians in the West Bank. Israeli authorities, including the Israeli

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Speaker 12: judicial system, have proven shamefully unwilling to ensure justice for

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Speaker 12: Palestinian victims. In this climate of near total impunity, an

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Speaker 12: international justice system worth its salt must step in. The

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Speaker 12: Prosecutor of the International Criminal Court must investigate these killings

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Speaker 12: and injuries as possible war crimes of wilful killing and

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02:07:12,760 --> 02:07:17,440
Speaker 12: wilfully causing great suffering or serious injury. The situation in

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Speaker 12: Palestine and Israel is a litmus test for the legitimacy

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Speaker 12: and reputation of the Court. It cannot afford to fail it.

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Speaker 12: Since October seventh, across the West Bank, Israeli security forces

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Speaker 12: use of unlawful force during law enforcement operations has been unrelenting,

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Speaker 12: sowing fear and intimidation among entire communities. It has also

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Speaker 12: been used to disperse rallies and protests held in solidarity

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Speaker 12: with Gaza and demanding the release of Palestinian prisoners and detainees.

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Speaker 12: Between October seventh and December thirty one of twenty twenty three,

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Speaker 12: two hundred and ninety nine Palestinians were killed, marking a

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Speaker 12: fifty percent increase compared to the first nine months of

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Speaker 12: the year. At least sixty one to more Palestinians, including

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Speaker 12: thirteen children, have been killed so far in twenty twenty

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Speaker 12: four as of the end of January, according to the

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Speaker 12: numbers reported by OCHA. Israel has a well documented track

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Speaker 12: record of using excessive and often lethal force to stifle

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Speaker 12: descent and enforce its system of apartheid against Palestinians, leading

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Speaker 12: to a historic pattern of unlawful killings committed with impunity.

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Speaker 12: In one illustrative case investigated by Amnesty International, Israeli military

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Speaker 12: and border police forces use excessive force during a thirty

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Speaker 12: hour long raid on nous Chem's refugee camp on October nineteenth.

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Speaker 12: During the operation, Israeli forces killed thirteen Palestinians, including six children,

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Speaker 12: four of them under the age of sixteen, as well

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Speaker 12: as arrested fifteen people. Israeli military sources quoted in media

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Speaker 12: reports said that one Israeli border police officer was killed

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Speaker 12: and n and nine were injured after an improvised explosive

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Speaker 12: device was thrown at them by Palestinians. Residents told Amnesty

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Speaker 12: International that During the operation, Israeli soldiers stormed more than

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Speaker 12: forty residential homes, destroying personal belongings and drilling holes in

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Speaker 12: the walls for sniper outposts. Water and electricity to the

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Speaker 12: camp was cut off, and soldiers used bulldozers to destroy

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02:09:24,200 --> 02:09:29,440
Speaker 12: public roads, electricity networks, and water infrastructure. Among those killed

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Speaker 12: during the October nineteenth raid was fifteen year old Taha Muhammad,

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Speaker 12: who was Raeli forces shot dead in front of his

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Speaker 12: house when he came out to check whether Israeli forces

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Speaker 12: had left the area. Taha was unarmed and posed no

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Speaker 12: threat to the soldiers at the time he was shot,

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Speaker 12: and this is based on eyewitness testimony and videos that

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Speaker 12: were reviewed by Amnesty International. A video filmed by one

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02:09:53,320 --> 02:09:56,840
Speaker 12: of his sisters and verified by Amnesty's Crisis Evidence Lab

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Speaker 12: chose Taha walking on the street, peaking to ch for

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Speaker 12: the presence of soldiers, and then collapsing on the street

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Speaker 12: outside of his house after the sound of three gunshots.

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Speaker 12: Fatima Taha's sister told Amnesty International they did not give

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Speaker 12: him a chance. They did not give him a chance.

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Speaker 12: In an instant, my brother was eliminated. Three bullets were

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Speaker 12: fired without any mercy. The first bullet hit him in

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02:10:22,160 --> 02:10:26,120
Speaker 12: the leg, the second in his stomach, the third in

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02:10:26,240 --> 02:10:30,600
Speaker 12: his eye. There were no confrontations, there was no conflict.

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Speaker 12: An eyewitness told Amnesty International that when Toha's father, Ibrahim Mohammad,

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02:10:36,640 --> 02:10:39,960
Speaker 12: then attempted to carry his injured son to safety, Israeli

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02:10:40,000 --> 02:10:43,720
Speaker 12: forces shot him in the back. A verified video filmed

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02:10:43,720 --> 02:10:47,320
Speaker 12: by one of Taha's sisters immediately after the shooting chose

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Speaker 12: Taha's father lying on the ground next to him before

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Speaker 12: limping away. My father raised his hands, showing the soldiers

2224
02:10:54,880 --> 02:10:57,440
Speaker 12: that he had nothing in them. He just wanted to

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02:10:57,480 --> 02:11:00,680
Speaker 12: take his son. They shot him with one bulle and

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02:11:00,760 --> 02:11:03,320
Speaker 12: my father fell next to Taha. I want to mention

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02:11:03,360 --> 02:11:06,000
Speaker 12: that one example, but many, many more have happened since

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02:11:06,040 --> 02:11:10,160
Speaker 12: then and before then. Protests and solidarity with Palestinians and

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02:11:10,240 --> 02:11:13,400
Speaker 12: Razza have been held frequently across the occupied West Bank

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02:11:13,520 --> 02:11:17,919
Speaker 12: since October seventh. Some protesters have been seen throwing stones

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02:11:18,000 --> 02:11:21,040
Speaker 12: in response to the presence or forceful intervention of the

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02:11:21,080 --> 02:11:25,680
Speaker 12: Israeli forces. The iof's use of lethal force in response

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Speaker 12: to rock throwing is not new, even if the rock

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02:11:28,920 --> 02:11:33,080
Speaker 12: throwing is done by children. In theory, lethal force and

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02:11:33,160 --> 02:11:35,640
Speaker 12: law enforcement can only be used when there is an

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Speaker 12: eminent threat to life. Its use is not a proportionate

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02:11:39,320 --> 02:11:44,120
Speaker 12: response to stone throwing. In another egregious case that happened

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02:11:44,120 --> 02:11:48,760
Speaker 12: on October thirteenth in Tokudam, two eyewitnesses described to Amnesty

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Speaker 12: International how Israeli forces stationed at a military watch tower

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Speaker 12: both at one of the main entrances to the town,

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Speaker 12: as well as on the roof of a nearby home,

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Speaker 12: and then they opened fire on a crowd about leekast

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Speaker 12: eighty unarmed Palestinians who were peacefully demonstrating in solidarity with Gaza.

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Speaker 12: Two journalists who were at the scene separately told Amnesty

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Speaker 12: International that they saw Israeli forces firing two tear gas

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Speaker 12: canisters at the crowd and shortly afterwards opening live fire

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02:12:16,240 --> 02:12:19,840
Speaker 12: at them without any warning shots. The two journalists saw

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02:12:19,880 --> 02:12:22,680
Speaker 12: four people being shot and injured as they tried to

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Speaker 12: run away from the shooting.

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Speaker 5: A few minutes.

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Speaker 12: Later, Israeli forces then opened fire in the direction of

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Speaker 12: the journalists, even though they were both wearing vests clearly

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02:12:31,800 --> 02:12:35,160
Speaker 12: marked as press. They hid behind a wall along with

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Speaker 12: three children and had to remain there for about two

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Speaker 12: hours as the operation continued. During this time, they also

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Speaker 12: witnessed a Palestinian man who was riding past them on

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Speaker 12: a bike being shot by an Israeli soldier. One of

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02:12:49,720 --> 02:12:52,920
Speaker 12: the journalists also saw another demonstrator being shot in the head.

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Speaker 12: She described how the victim was suddenly shot and fell

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Speaker 12: to the ground. The obstruction of medical assistants by Israeli

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02:13:00,520 --> 02:13:05,240
Speaker 12: forces during operations like this across Palestine is unfortunately a

2262
02:13:05,320 --> 02:13:10,120
Speaker 12: routine practice an Amnesty International has documented this for years,

2263
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Speaker 12: saying it is a part of israel system of apartheid.

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Speaker 12: Under international law, Israeli forces have an obligation to ensure

2265
02:13:19,320 --> 02:13:23,400
Speaker 12: anyone injured by their forces is able to access medical treatment.

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Speaker 12: Amnesty International investigated five occasions where the Israeli forces hindered

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02:13:29,440 --> 02:13:33,080
Speaker 12: or prevented those who were seriously injured in demonstrations and

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02:13:33,200 --> 02:13:38,000
Speaker 12: raids from receiving critical medical assistance. They also shot at

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02:13:38,040 --> 02:13:41,400
Speaker 12: Palestinians trying to help, including medics tending to the wounded.

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Speaker 12: During the raid I mentioned earlier on Nouschem's on October nineteenth,

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Speaker 12: three eyewitnesses, including a paramedic on the scene, said two

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Speaker 12: ambulances were stopped at the entrance of the camp and

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02:13:53,240 --> 02:13:57,160
Speaker 12: prevented from reaching the injured. The witnesses said the residents

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02:13:57,200 --> 02:14:00,160
Speaker 12: were forced to transport the wounded to a hospital in

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Speaker 12: private cars. Since October seventh, according to the UN, more

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Speaker 12: than four hundred Palestinians have been killed, one hundred and

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Speaker 12: seven of those being children in the West Bank. I

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02:14:12,040 --> 02:14:15,080
Speaker 12: also want to mention the settler attacks on Palestinians, not

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Speaker 12: just by the IOF, because these settler attacks have also

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02:14:18,440 --> 02:14:23,560
Speaker 12: become routine. Settlers have burned cars and houses, blockaded roads,

2281
02:14:23,920 --> 02:14:29,840
Speaker 12: damaged electricity networks, seas farmland, severed irrigation lines, attacked people

2282
02:14:29,840 --> 02:14:33,320
Speaker 12: in their fields and olive groves, and killed people, all

2283
02:14:33,360 --> 02:14:38,040
Speaker 12: without repercussion. The UN has recorded five hundred and seventy

2284
02:14:38,120 --> 02:14:41,760
Speaker 12: three attacks by settlers in the West Bank since October seventh,

2285
02:14:42,200 --> 02:14:46,360
Speaker 12: with Israeli forces the IOF accompanying them half of the time.

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02:14:47,080 --> 02:14:49,800
Speaker 12: At least nine people have been killed by settlers and

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02:14:49,920 --> 02:14:52,680
Speaker 12: three hundred and eighty two have been killed by the IOF.

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02:14:52,840 --> 02:14:57,600
Speaker 12: According to these numbers by the UN, human rights groups

2289
02:14:57,600 --> 02:15:00,680
Speaker 12: in Israel and the West Bank allege along pattern of

2290
02:15:00,760 --> 02:15:04,240
Speaker 12: violence that has been enabled by the IOF. The army, however,

2291
02:15:04,320 --> 02:15:08,120
Speaker 12: of course, denies this. Human rights groups in Israel and

2292
02:15:08,160 --> 02:15:11,520
Speaker 12: the West Bank allege a long pattern of violence by

2293
02:15:11,520 --> 02:15:15,520
Speaker 12: settlers that is enabled by the occupation forces. The Army

2294
02:15:15,560 --> 02:15:20,240
Speaker 12: of course denies this. As I mentioned earlier, the IOF

2295
02:15:20,360 --> 02:15:23,560
Speaker 12: has a long history of using unnecessary lethal force, and

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Speaker 12: we're seeing that increasingly happen in the West Bank. I

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Speaker 12: want to end this episode with a quote from the

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Speaker 12: Israeli group be se them. They told the BBC. Since

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Speaker 12: the beginning of the war in the Gaza Strip, Israel

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Speaker 12: has continued to implement a lethal open fire policy in

2301
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Speaker 12: the West Bank. Of the almost four hundred Palestinians killed

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Speaker 12: by Israeli forces since October seventh, many did not pose

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02:15:48,520 --> 02:15:50,800
Speaker 12: a threat at the level that would justify the use

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02:15:50,880 --> 02:15:55,839
Speaker 12: of lethal force. With extremely rare exceptions that usually involve

2305
02:15:55,960 --> 02:15:59,360
Speaker 12: low ranking soldiers, no one is brought to justice for

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02:15:59,400 --> 02:16:04,680
Speaker 12: the killing of Palestinians. This reflects Israel's profound disregard for

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Speaker 12: the lives and bodies of Palestinians.

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Speaker 4: And that is.

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Speaker 12: Our episode for today. As usual, Please please keep talking

2310
02:16:14,160 --> 02:16:18,320
Speaker 12: about Palestine, Please keep raising awareness about this ongoing genocide

2311
02:16:18,320 --> 02:16:24,720
Speaker 12: that's happening in both Gaza and the West Bank. And yeah, just.

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Speaker 15: They'll stop talking about it. Pre Palestine.

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Speaker 5: Hello, and welcome to It Can Happen Here podcast about

2314
02:16:46,160 --> 02:16:49,920
Speaker 5: things falling apart and people putting them back together. I

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02:16:49,959 --> 02:16:51,840
Speaker 5: am back after us for a lengthy court battle. Have

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02:16:51,840 --> 02:16:54,520
Speaker 5: been allowed to return to the podcast, which I'm very

2317
02:16:54,520 --> 02:16:57,600
Speaker 5: grateful for. And I'm joined today by John and Haval,

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02:16:57,720 --> 02:16:59,800
Speaker 5: two friends of mine who volunteer out here in a

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02:16:59,800 --> 02:17:02,000
Speaker 5: come a lot, a lot more than I do. And

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Speaker 5: we're going to explain some developments sort have happened, give

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Speaker 5: you an update on the situation here and let you

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02:17:07,640 --> 02:17:09,440
Speaker 5: know how you could help soon. Welcome to the show,

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02:17:09,480 --> 02:17:09,920
Speaker 5: both of you.

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Speaker 4: Hello, thank you, good to be back.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, welcome back.

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Speaker 5: If you'd like to just introduce yourselves, like your name,

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02:17:16,600 --> 02:17:20,840
Speaker 5: like whatever role you play out here, pronouns, and any

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02:17:21,120 --> 02:17:23,520
Speaker 5: affiliation with any organization you feel is relevant.

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02:17:24,120 --> 02:17:27,080
Speaker 7: So my name is John. I'm someone that lives in

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02:17:27,120 --> 02:17:30,720
Speaker 7: the area. This situation just kind of showed up in

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02:17:30,720 --> 02:17:35,640
Speaker 7: my backyard. I was kind of forced into it rather

2332
02:17:35,760 --> 02:17:38,360
Speaker 7: than volunteered into it, and I've been dealing with it

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Speaker 7: NonStop since the beginning. Yeah, I'm one of the main

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02:17:42,160 --> 02:17:43,360
Speaker 7: sets of booths on the ground.

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Speaker 16: Have all I used, they them pronouns, and I organized

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02:17:48,040 --> 02:17:51,880
Speaker 16: with direct Action Drumline and Zene Distro doing a lot

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02:17:51,920 --> 02:17:54,320
Speaker 16: of mutual aid, which is how I got involved in

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02:17:54,360 --> 02:17:57,280
Speaker 16: all this, and also with Alo Gelato helping out on

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02:17:57,320 --> 02:18:00,320
Speaker 16: the ground since the beginning with John, pretty much just

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Speaker 16: a little after John started.

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Speaker 5: So yeah, so that's what nearly six months, so if

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02:18:07,720 --> 02:18:10,880
Speaker 5: you're not counting me, yeah, yeah, wow yeah.

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Speaker 7: So yeah, it started in May and then it stopped

2344
02:18:13,920 --> 02:18:16,720
Speaker 7: during the summertime. It picked up again in September, and

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Speaker 7: we've been dealing with it NonStop.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 5: People have heard briefly from John's father Sam in our

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02:18:21,879 --> 02:18:25,440
Speaker 5: May episodes about title forty two, which we did. Yeah,

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Speaker 5: it seems like forever ago. Also, it doesn't seem like

2350
02:18:28,040 --> 02:18:32,440
Speaker 5: very long ago. It's just one big, weird collapsing of time.

2351
02:18:33,040 --> 02:18:38,080
Speaker 5: So last time we spoke, last time I spoke with Haval,

2352
02:18:38,240 --> 02:18:41,040
Speaker 5: we had this situation where we had three distinct concrete

2353
02:18:41,200 --> 02:18:46,199
Speaker 5: camps right adjacent to gaps in the wall, which volunteers

2354
02:18:46,280 --> 02:18:52,160
Speaker 5: were servicing with food, water, warm blankets, were building shelters,

2355
02:18:52,280 --> 02:18:55,240
Speaker 5: and we've heard a lot about those camps. Does one

2356
02:18:55,240 --> 02:18:58,199
Speaker 5: of you guys want to explain how things have changed

2357
02:18:58,440 --> 02:19:01,599
Speaker 5: since then, and really particular in the last six weeks.

2358
02:19:01,800 --> 02:19:05,800
Speaker 7: So yeah, it's changed quite radically. Actually, So between the

2359
02:19:05,800 --> 02:19:09,760
Speaker 7: months of September and December, we were servicing these three

2360
02:19:09,800 --> 02:19:12,480
Speaker 7: camps kind of more or less in our immediate area.

2361
02:19:13,040 --> 02:19:16,240
Speaker 7: It was pretty straightforward. Our routine would consist of stopping

2362
02:19:16,240 --> 02:19:19,959
Speaker 7: to each camp two times a day and feeding people,

2363
02:19:19,959 --> 02:19:22,600
Speaker 7: providing them with all of the different things that the

2364
02:19:22,680 --> 02:19:27,560
Speaker 7: US government was not and I kind of wish things

2365
02:19:27,600 --> 02:19:31,400
Speaker 7: were simpler like they were back then. Yeah, So at

2366
02:19:31,400 --> 02:19:34,840
Speaker 7: the end of the month of December, Secretary Blincoln made

2367
02:19:34,879 --> 02:19:40,119
Speaker 7: a visit to Mexico, and I suspect that he pressured

2368
02:19:40,520 --> 02:19:44,120
Speaker 7: the Mexican government to police our border for US. One

2369
02:19:44,160 --> 02:19:46,959
Speaker 7: of the immediate changes that we saw as a result

2370
02:19:47,000 --> 02:19:51,160
Speaker 7: of that was the foundation of two Mexican National Guard

2371
02:19:51,200 --> 02:19:54,800
Speaker 7: camps at two of the gaps that feed into those

2372
02:19:54,840 --> 02:20:00,480
Speaker 7: camps in our area, and that has basically stopped any

2373
02:20:00,520 --> 02:20:04,199
Speaker 7: people coming through those areas. This has not made any

2374
02:20:04,400 --> 02:20:07,080
Speaker 7: less people come into the country. Actually, the numbers have

2375
02:20:07,160 --> 02:20:10,680
Speaker 7: been fairly consistent. It's just that people have been forced

2376
02:20:10,680 --> 02:20:14,240
Speaker 7: to go in through other areas. So there have been

2377
02:20:15,400 --> 02:20:19,320
Speaker 7: many many new oads that have popped up west of US.

2378
02:20:19,320 --> 02:20:22,279
Speaker 7: We have to drive quite a bit further into towards

2379
02:20:22,400 --> 02:20:25,720
Speaker 7: San Diego to go and service those areas, the main

2380
02:20:25,800 --> 02:20:30,000
Speaker 7: one being Sliders, which we're seeing about two hundred people

2381
02:20:30,040 --> 02:20:34,480
Speaker 7: come in sometimes in a night. It's not a good scene.

2382
02:20:35,000 --> 02:20:39,119
Speaker 7: Whereas those three ones that we were originally servicing had

2383
02:20:39,280 --> 02:20:41,840
Speaker 7: dumpsters and porta potties at the very least.

2384
02:20:41,920 --> 02:20:43,320
Speaker 4: They still do. They still.

2385
02:20:44,959 --> 02:20:47,480
Speaker 5: There exactly, Yeah, moving at the speed of government.

2386
02:20:47,640 --> 02:20:50,080
Speaker 7: The new ones don't have that, and people are having

2387
02:20:50,120 --> 02:20:53,240
Speaker 7: to spend Well, how long were the people there most

2388
02:20:53,800 --> 02:20:56,720
Speaker 7: during that crazy, crazy time, just like a few days ago.

2389
02:20:57,800 --> 02:21:00,280
Speaker 7: I think they were up They were there for up

2390
02:21:00,320 --> 02:21:01,959
Speaker 7: to like nineteen hours.

2391
02:21:01,720 --> 02:21:04,400
Speaker 5: Yeah, going on a day right now. Yeah, because we

2392
02:21:04,480 --> 02:21:07,720
Speaker 5: first so to backtrack to people, like we heard from

2393
02:21:07,720 --> 02:21:09,920
Speaker 5: a member of the community that there have been people

2394
02:21:10,400 --> 02:21:14,600
Speaker 5: seen held there right at Sliders, And then we went

2395
02:21:14,640 --> 02:21:18,520
Speaker 5: out there and we kept finding like warm fires, like

2396
02:21:18,560 --> 02:21:21,480
Speaker 5: where people have clearly been there and built fires. We

2397
02:21:21,480 --> 02:21:24,320
Speaker 5: could see where people are scavenged to brush, and a.

2398
02:21:24,240 --> 02:21:27,920
Speaker 4: Lot of documents ripped up around there. Yeah, the mittill.

2399
02:21:27,480 --> 02:21:29,920
Speaker 5: Signs, yeah, yeah, all these signs, and so we were

2400
02:21:29,920 --> 02:21:32,120
Speaker 5: able to use that to suppose that was a place

2401
02:21:32,120 --> 02:21:34,959
Speaker 5: where people were and then I guess was it. Eventually

2402
02:21:34,959 --> 02:21:37,120
Speaker 5: someone stayed the night there and that was what allowed us,

2403
02:21:37,240 --> 02:21:39,680
Speaker 5: or we bumped into people there. Someone bumped into people there.

2404
02:21:40,400 --> 02:21:43,760
Speaker 7: Well, we have an acquaintance that's been very helpful towards

2405
02:21:43,800 --> 02:21:46,800
Speaker 7: the cause that lives just close by to there, and

2406
02:21:46,840 --> 02:21:48,760
Speaker 7: he's kind of one of the one that sounded the alarm.

2407
02:21:50,200 --> 02:21:52,120
Speaker 5: And from there, it's like you said, it's a lot

2408
02:21:52,120 --> 02:21:55,200
Speaker 5: more difficult, right, Like it's probably a thirty minute drive.

2409
02:21:55,680 --> 02:21:58,000
Speaker 5: It's a steep off road, so like when it rains,

2410
02:21:58,040 --> 02:22:00,240
Speaker 5: it's hard to get to. So that makes it more

2411
02:22:00,280 --> 02:22:04,520
Speaker 5: difficult for us to provide stuff for people there. And like,

2412
02:22:05,200 --> 02:22:07,480
Speaker 5: I guess people should realize that we didn't find out

2413
02:22:07,480 --> 02:22:09,720
Speaker 5: about this because Border Patrol called us and said, like, hey,

2414
02:22:09,760 --> 02:22:12,000
Speaker 5: there are people here without food, water, don't do that.

2415
02:22:12,040 --> 02:22:13,200
Speaker 5: But yeah, that's not a thing that they do.

2416
02:22:13,320 --> 02:22:16,760
Speaker 16: We actually did one. Another volunteer, Brendan and I were

2417
02:22:16,840 --> 02:22:19,240
Speaker 16: driving out and we stopped on the road. I don't

2418
02:22:19,240 --> 02:22:22,440
Speaker 16: think you were with us, John, but we started talking

2419
02:22:22,480 --> 02:22:24,640
Speaker 16: to one of the agents because there was two or

2420
02:22:24,680 --> 02:22:27,000
Speaker 16: a group of people from I think Egypt. That was

2421
02:22:27,040 --> 02:22:30,800
Speaker 16: the day everyone did the math exodus from one seven seven.

2422
02:22:31,360 --> 02:22:33,320
Speaker 16: So we stopped and we're talking to one of the agents,

2423
02:22:33,320 --> 02:22:35,560
Speaker 16: and he did slip that there was another camp. He

2424
02:22:35,600 --> 02:22:37,400
Speaker 16: didn't name it, didn't say where it was, he just

2425
02:22:37,400 --> 02:22:39,440
Speaker 16: said it was that way. And that was around the

2426
02:22:39,480 --> 02:22:41,600
Speaker 16: same time that Morgan had mentioned it to us. So

2427
02:22:41,720 --> 02:22:43,440
Speaker 16: it's you know, we kind of pulled it out of

2428
02:22:43,480 --> 02:22:46,440
Speaker 16: this agent because we were talking very nonchalantly with him

2429
02:22:46,480 --> 02:22:48,360
Speaker 16: and he was being generally nice.

2430
02:22:48,400 --> 02:22:51,840
Speaker 5: But yeah, they don't tell us about this stuff. Yeah,

2431
02:22:51,959 --> 02:22:53,800
Speaker 5: and we have to find him myself. And what I

2432
02:22:53,800 --> 02:22:56,680
Speaker 5: think that brings up is that there are potentially more,

2433
02:22:56,920 --> 02:22:59,560
Speaker 5: right we think, no, for a fact, we know that

2434
02:22:59,600 --> 02:23:03,400
Speaker 5: there are more. And like I think it's obviously people

2435
02:23:03,440 --> 02:23:05,480
Speaker 5: and people think of California and they think of LA

2436
02:23:05,480 --> 02:23:06,800
Speaker 5: and they think of San Diego and they think of

2437
02:23:06,840 --> 02:23:09,640
Speaker 5: the beach and like pleasant weather. But can you explain,

2438
02:23:09,680 --> 02:23:12,200
Speaker 5: like it's been really cold out here and pretty miserable

2439
02:23:12,240 --> 02:23:13,840
Speaker 5: right with the wet weather we've been having.

2440
02:23:14,200 --> 02:23:17,080
Speaker 7: This is a pretty unknown part of southern California. You know,

2441
02:23:17,120 --> 02:23:20,879
Speaker 7: we're a mountainous region just just east of San Diego,

2442
02:23:20,959 --> 02:23:24,000
Speaker 7: within San Diego County. It's uh, I mean it's not

2443
02:23:24,520 --> 02:23:27,120
Speaker 7: it's not crazy high. It's you know, it's about on

2444
02:23:27,160 --> 02:23:29,440
Speaker 7: an average of three thousand or four thousand feet above

2445
02:23:29,480 --> 02:23:32,080
Speaker 7: sea level. But yeah, it gets very windy over here,

2446
02:23:32,240 --> 02:23:35,160
Speaker 7: gets very unpleasant. It often drops down to freezing.

2447
02:23:36,760 --> 02:23:39,120
Speaker 5: Yeah, and that's if you're out there all night and

2448
02:23:39,160 --> 02:23:41,200
Speaker 5: you have any shelter and any anyway to get warm,

2449
02:23:41,240 --> 02:23:44,000
Speaker 5: and you're potentially wet from crossing a river or crossing

2450
02:23:44,000 --> 02:23:46,120
Speaker 5: a stream that often pops up in the desert. Can

2451
02:23:46,160 --> 02:23:49,440
Speaker 5: be a really miserable situation. So, like, it's important that

2452
02:23:49,480 --> 02:23:52,440
Speaker 5: these people receive help. And right now it's just through

2453
02:23:52,520 --> 02:23:55,160
Speaker 5: word of mouth and the local community that we're able

2454
02:23:55,200 --> 02:23:56,760
Speaker 5: to find them right and give them that help.

2455
02:23:57,480 --> 02:23:57,680
Speaker 4: Yeah.

2456
02:23:57,879 --> 02:24:03,920
Speaker 5: Yeah, So going forward, like we've seen like this movement

2457
02:24:04,480 --> 02:24:08,600
Speaker 5: of migration west, what does that mean for the ability

2458
02:24:08,600 --> 02:24:11,400
Speaker 5: of volunteers to provide services to migrants and what does

2459
02:24:11,440 --> 02:24:14,680
Speaker 5: it mean for the safety Like you said that the

2460
02:24:14,720 --> 02:24:17,400
Speaker 5: push factors haven't changed, right, So people are still coming here.

2461
02:24:18,600 --> 02:24:21,080
Speaker 5: They still have things to get away from that lead

2462
02:24:21,120 --> 02:24:24,120
Speaker 5: them to come here, but they're not coming the same

2463
02:24:24,160 --> 02:24:26,360
Speaker 5: way where we could so easily help them in these

2464
02:24:26,400 --> 02:24:28,560
Speaker 5: three concrete sites. So like what does that mean.

2465
02:24:28,640 --> 02:24:32,080
Speaker 7: Well, it's takes a lot more time out of our

2466
02:24:32,200 --> 02:24:35,160
Speaker 7: day just to drive there. For one, the main one

2467
02:24:35,280 --> 02:24:39,720
Speaker 7: sliders is up a very shitty road. Yeah.

2468
02:24:39,840 --> 02:24:41,760
Speaker 16: So I think they call it sliders because it's so

2469
02:24:41,920 --> 02:24:43,879
Speaker 16: muddy and slidy over there when you're.

2470
02:24:43,720 --> 02:24:45,760
Speaker 5: Trying to be Yeah, I put someone's head into the

2471
02:24:45,800 --> 02:24:48,680
Speaker 5: roof of my truck driving that's so long ago.

2472
02:24:48,840 --> 02:24:50,920
Speaker 7: Yeah, And you know, we're not the only ones that

2473
02:24:50,959 --> 02:24:53,240
Speaker 7: are displeased with this. It's more it makes the life

2474
02:24:53,240 --> 02:24:55,920
Speaker 7: for the Border patrol more difficult, makes life for the

2475
02:24:56,080 --> 02:24:59,680
Speaker 7: emergency medical services more difficult, and of course it makes

2476
02:24:59,720 --> 02:25:02,760
Speaker 7: life or the migrants more miserable. And the owner of

2477
02:25:02,800 --> 02:25:04,920
Speaker 7: the property and the owners of the property in which

2478
02:25:04,920 --> 02:25:08,320
Speaker 7: they're hosting these uh you know, detaining these migrants.

2479
02:25:08,400 --> 02:25:11,000
Speaker 5: Yeah, we I think if every single one has been

2480
02:25:11,000 --> 02:25:14,320
Speaker 5: on private property so far, right, and I think we

2481
02:25:14,360 --> 02:25:16,119
Speaker 5: spoke to most of the property owners at this point,

2482
02:25:16,120 --> 02:25:17,440
Speaker 5: and it just seems to come out of the blue

2483
02:25:17,480 --> 02:25:17,840
Speaker 5: at them.

2484
02:25:18,080 --> 02:25:19,039
Speaker 4: It's a very.

2485
02:25:18,879 --> 02:25:21,080
Speaker 7: Strange permission has never sought.

2486
02:25:21,440 --> 02:25:24,280
Speaker 5: Yeah, and I think one of them is suing the

2487
02:25:24,320 --> 02:25:27,680
Speaker 5: Border Patrol for it. But take months. But obviously it

2488
02:25:27,680 --> 02:25:30,000
Speaker 5: does have an impact on a landscape as well. People

2489
02:25:30,080 --> 02:25:32,600
Speaker 5: understand to be a coal so they're cutting down whatever

2490
02:25:32,640 --> 02:25:35,360
Speaker 5: they can to burn to make shelter, to make their

2491
02:25:35,360 --> 02:25:36,840
Speaker 5: experience a little bit less miserable.

2492
02:25:37,120 --> 02:25:40,720
Speaker 7: So that's the Yeah, that's that's kind of a bargaining

2493
02:25:40,760 --> 02:25:44,840
Speaker 7: tool that we try and use when trying to convince

2494
02:25:44,840 --> 02:25:47,480
Speaker 7: the property owners to allow us to build shelters over there.

2495
02:25:47,640 --> 02:25:50,640
Speaker 7: It's just to try and convince them that it'll be

2496
02:25:50,680 --> 02:25:52,840
Speaker 7: good for them to have migrants not be in a

2497
02:25:52,840 --> 02:25:55,240
Speaker 7: position to be forced to have to cut down the

2498
02:25:55,320 --> 02:25:58,640
Speaker 7: vegetation on their land and trash their land, and uh,

2499
02:25:58,840 --> 02:26:01,480
Speaker 7: you know, by allowing us to build shelters on their

2500
02:26:01,520 --> 02:26:04,760
Speaker 7: property and give firewood to the to the migrants that

2501
02:26:04,800 --> 02:26:08,560
Speaker 7: are being held on their property, it's better for them

2502
02:26:08,600 --> 02:26:09,200
Speaker 7: in the long run.

2503
02:26:09,400 --> 02:26:09,600
Speaker 8: Yeah.

2504
02:26:09,640 --> 02:26:11,480
Speaker 16: And the first time we went out there, they had

2505
02:26:11,560 --> 02:26:14,520
Speaker 16: created these shelters by just ripping brush and creating these

2506
02:26:14,560 --> 02:26:16,520
Speaker 16: like semi circles that were maybe about a.

2507
02:26:16,520 --> 02:26:18,200
Speaker 7: Foot or some of them are very impressive.

2508
02:26:18,280 --> 02:26:18,440
Speaker 4: Yeah.

2509
02:26:18,520 --> 02:26:21,360
Speaker 16: Yeah, we had two three feet high and it was nice,

2510
02:26:21,400 --> 02:26:23,760
Speaker 16: you know, and enclosed, so they had some sort of shelter.

2511
02:26:23,879 --> 02:26:25,960
Speaker 16: But yeah, they had to rip all that from the

2512
02:26:26,040 --> 02:26:29,200
Speaker 16: vegetation around the area, which just ruined the ecosystem there,

2513
02:26:29,240 --> 02:26:29,760
Speaker 16: I'm sure.

2514
02:26:30,040 --> 02:26:31,959
Speaker 5: Yeah. And it must tear up your hands as well,

2515
02:26:31,959 --> 02:26:35,280
Speaker 5: like those of slowny bushes and stuffy Yeah, it's not

2516
02:26:35,360 --> 02:26:38,959
Speaker 5: desirable for anyone talking of things aren't desirable. We unforced

2517
02:26:38,959 --> 02:26:41,119
Speaker 5: you have to take an advertising break, so we will

2518
02:26:41,160 --> 02:26:54,080
Speaker 5: do that. Hit some stuff that you don't need, all right,

2519
02:26:54,120 --> 02:26:57,680
Speaker 5: we're bank. Those are some products and services. Now we're

2520
02:26:57,680 --> 02:27:01,520
Speaker 5: going to talk about the way John being very local

2521
02:27:01,600 --> 02:27:04,160
Speaker 5: to hocumber right, how it is like organizing in a

2522
02:27:04,240 --> 02:27:07,800
Speaker 5: rural community, and the way that obviously you have people

2523
02:27:08,080 --> 02:27:12,959
Speaker 5: of very disparate political leanings in the area, and like

2524
02:27:13,520 --> 02:27:17,360
Speaker 5: how you've managed to like phrase what we're doing and

2525
02:27:17,640 --> 02:27:19,840
Speaker 5: to organize in such a way that the very least

2526
02:27:19,840 --> 02:27:22,480
Speaker 5: people aren't like actively pissed off at you.

2527
02:27:22,959 --> 02:27:25,440
Speaker 7: Yeah. So, first of all, I'm a Quaker, come from

2528
02:27:25,440 --> 02:27:30,160
Speaker 7: a Quaker family, and first and foremost I am doing

2529
02:27:30,160 --> 02:27:32,680
Speaker 7: this for religious reasons, and I like to try and

2530
02:27:32,680 --> 02:27:35,240
Speaker 7: remind people of that. So when people try and come

2531
02:27:35,240 --> 02:27:39,720
Speaker 7: at me with anti immigrants sentiment, I just try and

2532
02:27:39,760 --> 02:27:42,760
Speaker 7: remind them that you know, this is this is basically

2533
02:27:42,760 --> 02:27:45,080
Speaker 7: what you're supposed to do according to the Bible, and

2534
02:27:46,080 --> 02:27:48,640
Speaker 7: you know, to hate on any of these people is

2535
02:27:48,800 --> 02:27:51,920
Speaker 7: very Unchristian. And when I do so, it's very hard

2536
02:27:51,920 --> 02:27:53,680
Speaker 7: for them to come at me with any of that stuff.

2537
02:27:54,400 --> 02:27:57,680
Speaker 7: But still yes, for the most part, the community over

2538
02:27:57,720 --> 02:28:00,760
Speaker 7: here have not been very helpful towards They have not

2539
02:28:01,000 --> 02:28:05,280
Speaker 7: been very enthused with all these migrants coming in, and

2540
02:28:05,920 --> 02:28:10,240
Speaker 7: you know, they've been very regrettably misinformed about it all.

2541
02:28:10,600 --> 02:28:14,720
Speaker 7: They're still looking at various crazy sources for their news,

2542
02:28:14,760 --> 02:28:17,080
Speaker 7: like YouTube channels and stuff like that, and it's kind

2543
02:28:17,120 --> 02:28:19,440
Speaker 7: of kind of hard to believe. It's like, you guys

2544
02:28:19,480 --> 02:28:21,680
Speaker 7: live in the area. You can just drive straight out there.

2545
02:28:21,760 --> 02:28:23,800
Speaker 7: You can talk to me a person that you guys know,

2546
02:28:24,240 --> 02:28:27,600
Speaker 7: Yet you still choose to look up all these various

2547
02:28:27,600 --> 02:28:29,080
Speaker 7: whack jobs on YouTube.

2548
02:28:29,600 --> 02:28:29,880
Speaker 3: Yeah.

2549
02:28:30,080 --> 02:28:33,640
Speaker 5: Yeah, we've had something of a problem with the YouTube people. Right,

2550
02:28:33,800 --> 02:28:36,680
Speaker 5: there's a whole info a whole ecosystem of right wing

2551
02:28:36,720 --> 02:28:39,600
Speaker 5: YouTubers that I think probably most folks don't know about,

2552
02:28:39,680 --> 02:28:42,160
Speaker 5: even if you take an interest in other like right

2553
02:28:42,160 --> 02:28:44,680
Speaker 5: wing conspiracy stuff, as a whole ecosystem of right wing

2554
02:28:44,720 --> 02:28:46,840
Speaker 5: border YouTubers who have been I.

2555
02:28:46,760 --> 02:28:48,880
Speaker 16: Mean, describe what you've seen, right, We've had like a

2556
02:28:48,959 --> 02:28:52,760
Speaker 16: new right wing fascist out every day. It seems there's

2557
02:28:52,840 --> 02:28:56,520
Speaker 16: Oreo Express, Anthony Aguero has been out here.

2558
02:28:57,040 --> 02:29:01,720
Speaker 7: JLR investigator JLR, Roger Ogden here the other day. Classic

2559
02:29:02,240 --> 02:29:04,840
Speaker 7: it's kind of calmed down though in the last couple

2560
02:29:04,879 --> 02:29:09,199
Speaker 7: of days. But there was a period in late February

2561
02:29:09,200 --> 02:29:11,400
Speaker 7: where it seemed like they were coming out every single day.

2562
02:29:11,520 --> 02:29:13,760
Speaker 5: Yeah, just a different guy in a different lifted jeep.

2563
02:29:13,959 --> 02:29:18,000
Speaker 4: Yeah, exactly just after that whole border what was it that.

2564
02:29:18,160 --> 02:29:19,040
Speaker 5: Take back our Border?

2565
02:29:19,520 --> 02:29:22,400
Speaker 16: Yeah, I got them all rouled up to come out.

2566
02:29:22,520 --> 02:29:25,080
Speaker 7: Actually, what really set them off to be aware of

2567
02:29:25,120 --> 02:29:27,000
Speaker 7: all of this is when Fox did their big piece

2568
02:29:27,040 --> 02:29:29,400
Speaker 7: out here and they were out here for multiple days. Yeah,

2569
02:29:29,440 --> 02:29:31,320
Speaker 7: that's what kind of like turned on the tap.

2570
02:29:31,680 --> 02:29:34,840
Speaker 5: Yeah, and that's very common anyway you go on the border,

2571
02:29:34,879 --> 02:29:38,879
Speaker 5: right Like Fox has a border reporter, Bill Malugan. People

2572
02:29:38,879 --> 02:29:41,959
Speaker 5: will be familiar with Bill Malugan from publishing a story

2573
02:29:41,959 --> 02:29:44,039
Speaker 5: in twenty twenty which suggested the police officer had a

2574
02:29:44,080 --> 02:29:48,600
Speaker 5: tampon used tampon put in his Starbucks coffee, which was

2575
02:29:48,600 --> 02:29:52,160
Speaker 5: demonstrably false and didn't really very much look like a tampon.

2576
02:29:52,520 --> 02:29:54,879
Speaker 5: You can google more about that if that's interesting to you.

2577
02:29:54,920 --> 02:29:57,000
Speaker 5: But like someone who preps should have lost a genalistic

2578
02:29:57,000 --> 02:29:59,800
Speaker 5: credibility at that point. It's now doing border reporting for

2579
02:30:00,520 --> 02:30:02,840
Speaker 5: and this is like when I speak to people all

2580
02:30:02,840 --> 02:30:05,600
Speaker 5: along the border right here, Arizona, Texas. Yeah, the stuff

2581
02:30:05,640 --> 02:30:10,279
Speaker 5: that Fox puts out very strongly correlates with anti migrant sentiment,

2582
02:30:10,360 --> 02:30:12,960
Speaker 5: both both locally and with like these these folks coming

2583
02:30:12,959 --> 02:30:16,200
Speaker 5: in and streaming and they're always asking for donations, right,

2584
02:30:16,240 --> 02:30:20,199
Speaker 5: Like it's not a then they're they're not like advert

2585
02:30:20,320 --> 02:30:23,119
Speaker 5: funded or like publicly funded like that, they're funded by

2586
02:30:23,280 --> 02:30:24,160
Speaker 5: donations for what.

2587
02:30:24,640 --> 02:30:26,960
Speaker 16: Yeah, well, I forget the channel there. Aguero is on

2588
02:30:27,120 --> 02:30:29,480
Speaker 16: that he's constantly asking for the nations and like, oh,

2589
02:30:29,480 --> 02:30:31,800
Speaker 16: thank you, you just dropped ten dollars, so thank you

2590
02:30:31,840 --> 02:30:32,720
Speaker 16: for the five spot.

2591
02:30:32,840 --> 02:30:34,560
Speaker 3: Other of like they're sitting.

2592
02:30:34,280 --> 02:30:34,800
Speaker 4: In his car.

2593
02:30:35,680 --> 02:30:38,119
Speaker 7: That's that's what they're grifters, That's that's what they're out

2594
02:30:38,160 --> 02:30:40,640
Speaker 7: there for. Every It seems like a third of their

2595
02:30:40,680 --> 02:30:44,200
Speaker 7: broadcast time is spent asking for donations, right yeah.

2596
02:30:44,280 --> 02:30:46,760
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's like a like a charity stream, except it's

2597
02:30:46,959 --> 02:30:49,600
Speaker 5: the opposite of charity, I guess exactly, So pay me

2598
02:30:49,640 --> 02:30:52,680
Speaker 5: to do hateful things streams. Yeah, And I think like

2599
02:30:53,680 --> 02:30:57,120
Speaker 5: that as we get as we look between now and November,

2600
02:30:57,480 --> 02:30:59,440
Speaker 5: I think it's really important that like the border will

2601
02:30:59,440 --> 02:31:02,160
Speaker 5: be a topic that people who never come to the

2602
02:31:02,200 --> 02:31:05,880
Speaker 5: border will argue about constantly between now and November, right,

2603
02:31:05,920 --> 02:31:08,480
Speaker 5: Fox News will have reporting on it, NBC will have

2604
02:31:08,520 --> 02:31:10,959
Speaker 5: reporting on it, like and both of them will have

2605
02:31:11,040 --> 02:31:15,320
Speaker 5: reporting that isn't anchored on what we see every single

2606
02:31:15,440 --> 02:31:18,160
Speaker 5: day out here, which is whatever actual people from all

2607
02:31:18,200 --> 02:31:21,600
Speaker 5: over the world who are having a very difficult time

2608
02:31:22,720 --> 02:31:27,080
Speaker 5: right here and need a help, right and we're doing

2609
02:31:27,080 --> 02:31:29,480
Speaker 5: what we can to help them. So I guess what,

2610
02:31:29,760 --> 02:31:33,360
Speaker 5: Like people who are listening to this will in the

2611
02:31:33,400 --> 02:31:35,440
Speaker 5: next I don't know how long it is to November,

2612
02:31:35,480 --> 02:31:40,000
Speaker 5: what six months, seven eight months, they'll have conversations with

2613
02:31:40,080 --> 02:31:43,640
Speaker 5: their family members, with their friends, with people in bars, whatever,

2614
02:31:44,080 --> 02:31:48,440
Speaker 5: regarding the border. What do you think they should know about,

2615
02:31:48,480 --> 02:31:53,680
Speaker 5: like what we're seeing and like what the because there's

2616
02:31:53,680 --> 02:31:56,080
Speaker 5: this whole border invasion narrative, right, and then like this

2617
02:31:56,160 --> 02:31:58,560
Speaker 5: is not an invasion. We were just out joking with

2618
02:31:58,600 --> 02:32:01,200
Speaker 5: some people and helping them get the firewood prepped. Like

2619
02:32:02,080 --> 02:32:03,080
Speaker 5: these people know threat.

2620
02:32:03,280 --> 02:32:06,440
Speaker 7: I think people often make the mistake of considering this

2621
02:32:06,520 --> 02:32:08,920
Speaker 7: issue to be a political issue. It really is just

2622
02:32:08,959 --> 02:32:11,760
Speaker 7: a humanitarian issue. Vast majority of the people that I've

2623
02:32:11,800 --> 02:32:14,600
Speaker 7: talked to have very legitimate reasons for needing to come

2624
02:32:14,600 --> 02:32:17,760
Speaker 7: into this country, whether they're from Ecuador, you know, you

2625
02:32:17,760 --> 02:32:20,280
Speaker 7: know the situation over there recently there were gangsters that

2626
02:32:20,320 --> 02:32:24,200
Speaker 7: took over a TV station, Or in Guatemala, where I

2627
02:32:24,240 --> 02:32:27,240
Speaker 7: spoke to a man who told me that his children

2628
02:32:27,280 --> 02:32:30,160
Speaker 7: with college degrees can make enough family money to feed

2629
02:32:30,200 --> 02:32:36,160
Speaker 7: their families. Or even in Afghanistan where people have literally

2630
02:32:36,200 --> 02:32:39,560
Speaker 7: had the Taliban threatened their families lives.

2631
02:32:39,720 --> 02:32:42,840
Speaker 4: The same with and the Iatola escaping.

2632
02:32:42,480 --> 02:32:45,320
Speaker 7: A Kurdish people in Turkey. I mean, the list goes on.

2633
02:32:46,160 --> 02:32:49,360
Speaker 7: Or you know climate refugees like the Mauritanians that we

2634
02:32:49,400 --> 02:32:53,800
Speaker 7: just spoke with earlier. Yes, they're they're coming and they

2635
02:32:53,840 --> 02:32:58,080
Speaker 7: have really reasonable grounds for asylum over here.

2636
02:32:58,400 --> 02:33:01,160
Speaker 16: Yeah, and it wouldn't be such and then quote unquote

2637
02:33:01,200 --> 02:33:03,879
Speaker 16: invasion if they were just allowed to walk through the

2638
02:33:03,879 --> 02:33:06,880
Speaker 16: port of entry. This it's this process is so silly

2639
02:33:06,959 --> 02:33:09,240
Speaker 16: because they crossed. They could just do this all at

2640
02:33:09,240 --> 02:33:12,160
Speaker 16: the port of entry. They really could be the policies

2641
02:33:12,200 --> 02:33:13,640
Speaker 16: just choose not to do this.

2642
02:33:14,160 --> 02:33:16,600
Speaker 7: Yeah, but that's the part that really doesn't make sense,

2643
02:33:16,760 --> 02:33:20,039
Speaker 7: is like we're letting them in anyways, Why do we

2644
02:33:20,080 --> 02:33:22,600
Speaker 7: need to make their lives so uncomfortable you.

2645
02:33:22,560 --> 02:33:23,640
Speaker 5: Know and dangerous?

2646
02:33:23,720 --> 02:33:23,840
Speaker 10: Right?

2647
02:33:24,000 --> 02:33:24,480
Speaker 4: Dangerous?

2648
02:33:24,560 --> 02:33:27,000
Speaker 5: I mean, John, you and I were on a water

2649
02:33:27,080 --> 02:33:30,440
Speaker 5: drop maybe two months ago, now, six weeks ago in

2650
02:33:31,280 --> 02:33:33,879
Speaker 5: slightly west of here, right, Yeah, do you remember we

2651
02:33:33,879 --> 02:33:35,560
Speaker 5: were driving down to where we're going to get off

2652
02:33:35,600 --> 02:33:39,720
Speaker 5: and we met that family from Guinea. There was like,

2653
02:33:39,840 --> 02:33:41,920
Speaker 5: do you want to just describe what you saw because

2654
02:33:41,959 --> 02:33:43,920
Speaker 5: I think it was like, at least for me, that

2655
02:33:44,080 --> 02:33:45,600
Speaker 5: was like I've seen it a lot, but it still

2656
02:33:45,600 --> 02:33:46,600
Speaker 5: emotionally affected me.

2657
02:33:46,800 --> 02:33:48,520
Speaker 7: So that Yeah, there was a there was a Guinean

2658
02:33:48,560 --> 02:33:51,000
Speaker 7: woman and her kid. I think he might have been

2659
02:33:51,080 --> 02:33:55,040
Speaker 7: like what four or something three three? Yeah, and there

2660
02:33:55,080 --> 02:33:58,480
Speaker 7: was also a Nigerian woman and you know, Nigerian speak

2661
02:33:58,480 --> 02:34:01,320
Speaker 7: English and Guineans speak friend and they weren't really able

2662
02:34:01,320 --> 02:34:04,760
Speaker 7: to communicate with one another, and yet they were still

2663
02:34:04,800 --> 02:34:09,039
Speaker 7: traveling side by side because they they just teamed up

2664
02:34:09,280 --> 02:34:12,720
Speaker 7: because they were in a desperate situation together. One of

2665
02:34:12,760 --> 02:34:15,840
Speaker 7: them was was she and sandals.

2666
02:34:16,080 --> 02:34:17,160
Speaker 5: One of them didn't have shoes at all.

2667
02:34:17,280 --> 02:34:19,760
Speaker 7: Didn't have shoes at all. Right, Yeah, yeah, it's six

2668
02:34:19,760 --> 02:34:21,920
Speaker 7: weeks is a long time, you know what you're doing?

2669
02:34:22,200 --> 02:34:23,959
Speaker 5: Yeah, well you see horrible things every day.

2670
02:34:24,000 --> 02:34:26,280
Speaker 7: Yeah, it's been a very eventful time. Yeah, every day

2671
02:34:26,320 --> 02:34:30,959
Speaker 7: feels like a news story. Yeah, And they just kind

2672
02:34:31,000 --> 02:34:35,400
Speaker 7: of sat on the side of the road and were

2673
02:34:35,400 --> 02:34:39,280
Speaker 7: out of breath, and they were just basically asking us

2674
02:34:39,280 --> 02:34:39,840
Speaker 7: to help them.

2675
02:34:40,160 --> 02:34:42,240
Speaker 5: Yeah, I remember the little girl, but because we were

2676
02:34:42,680 --> 02:34:44,520
Speaker 5: obviously concerned with the lady who didn't have shoes and

2677
02:34:44,520 --> 02:34:46,680
Speaker 5: trying to help like bandage her feet and stuff. But

2678
02:34:46,720 --> 02:34:48,840
Speaker 5: then I remember the little girls wasn't saying anything, and

2679
02:34:49,120 --> 02:34:52,199
Speaker 5: I suddenly realized, Oh, this little girl is probably very cold.

2680
02:34:52,360 --> 02:34:57,040
Speaker 5: She was like, you know, early, like mildly hypotheromic. Yeah,

2681
02:34:57,160 --> 02:34:59,800
Speaker 5: so I had her wrapped up in a little mile

2682
02:35:00,040 --> 02:35:02,440
Speaker 5: blanket with me to warm her up. And it's just,

2683
02:35:03,000 --> 02:35:05,320
Speaker 5: I know it just for one reason or another, that

2684
02:35:05,400 --> 02:35:07,039
Speaker 5: was a moment where I was like, why on earth

2685
02:35:07,040 --> 02:35:08,680
Speaker 5: are we doing this to a three year old? Like

2686
02:35:08,680 --> 02:35:11,520
Speaker 5: what possible reason could there be? Yeah, this three year

2687
02:35:11,520 --> 02:35:14,720
Speaker 5: old girl to have hypothermia here in like the richest

2688
02:35:14,720 --> 02:35:15,440
Speaker 5: country in the world.

2689
02:35:15,800 --> 02:35:18,160
Speaker 7: Who could possibly agree that this is a good thing?

2690
02:35:18,320 --> 02:35:18,880
Speaker 5: Yes, and yeah.

2691
02:35:19,240 --> 02:35:21,960
Speaker 7: Or another experience I had in the beginning of February

2692
02:35:22,000 --> 02:35:24,400
Speaker 7: where there was this Colombian man who was in tears

2693
02:35:24,920 --> 02:35:28,080
Speaker 7: who approached me and told me that his daughter was

2694
02:35:28,480 --> 02:35:31,680
Speaker 7: very very ill, and he dragged me over to a

2695
02:35:31,760 --> 02:35:34,480
Speaker 7: porta potty and she was there bundled up with like

2696
02:35:34,600 --> 02:35:38,400
Speaker 7: nine blankets or something, not really responding to my questions.

2697
02:35:38,920 --> 02:35:40,840
Speaker 7: He was trying to contact nine to one one, but

2698
02:35:40,879 --> 02:35:43,480
Speaker 7: the responder on a nine to one one or the

2699
02:35:43,520 --> 02:35:47,160
Speaker 7: dispatcher didn't speak Spanish, so I had to communicate with

2700
02:35:47,200 --> 02:35:49,920
Speaker 7: them and navigate the whole situation. Turns out she did

2701
02:35:49,920 --> 02:35:55,760
Speaker 7: have hypothermia. Yeah, but the ambulance would not take him

2702
02:35:55,840 --> 02:35:58,920
Speaker 7: along with the mother and the child to the hospital.

2703
02:35:59,240 --> 02:36:02,440
Speaker 7: So again it's another case of family separation. Who knows

2704
02:36:02,440 --> 02:36:04,840
Speaker 7: what might have happened. They would have gotten processed separately.

2705
02:36:04,920 --> 02:36:08,560
Speaker 7: He could have ended up in Louisiana and she could

2706
02:36:08,560 --> 02:36:10,600
Speaker 7: have ended up in Riverside or somewhere.

2707
02:36:10,840 --> 02:36:13,240
Speaker 5: Yeah, And at that point, once again, it's not the

2708
02:36:13,280 --> 02:36:15,560
Speaker 5: government or your taxes that were pay for those people

2709
02:36:15,600 --> 02:36:19,359
Speaker 5: to be reunified. Right, that's work that's done by NGOs

2710
02:36:19,360 --> 02:36:23,680
Speaker 5: in modern tree organizations exactly. Yeah, despite the massive amount

2711
02:36:23,680 --> 02:36:26,000
Speaker 5: of money we spend on And we were just talking

2712
02:36:26,040 --> 02:36:29,039
Speaker 5: the other day about how they the architectural marvel of

2713
02:36:29,040 --> 02:36:31,360
Speaker 5: sections of the border wall right where they've poured concrete

2714
02:36:31,360 --> 02:36:34,680
Speaker 5: at like a forty five plus degree angle and spent

2715
02:36:34,800 --> 02:36:38,240
Speaker 5: millions of dollars for every yard of that, and we

2716
02:36:38,280 --> 02:36:40,039
Speaker 5: don't have enough money to give this three year old

2717
02:36:40,080 --> 02:36:43,280
Speaker 5: girl a blanket or to get that family back together.

2718
02:36:43,400 --> 02:36:46,400
Speaker 7: It's pathetic, it's it's yeah, it's mind boggling.

2719
02:36:46,600 --> 02:36:48,960
Speaker 4: Yeah, even today with that dude from Brazil.

2720
02:36:49,000 --> 02:36:50,840
Speaker 16: He came up to me when we first got here

2721
02:36:50,840 --> 02:36:53,199
Speaker 16: there was starving, wanted food, water, and he.

2722
02:36:53,120 --> 02:36:54,360
Speaker 4: Was like, I'm sick, I have a fever.

2723
02:36:54,480 --> 02:36:56,920
Speaker 16: So I hooked him up with some cold medicine that

2724
02:36:56,959 --> 02:36:59,280
Speaker 16: we had in our medkit, and then later when we

2725
02:36:59,320 --> 02:37:01,120
Speaker 16: went back to do the second round of feeding, he

2726
02:37:01,200 --> 02:37:02,920
Speaker 16: got more food and he was like, thank you so much.

2727
02:37:02,920 --> 02:37:03,520
Speaker 4: We're starving.

2728
02:37:03,560 --> 02:37:05,920
Speaker 16: We were told to when we were dropped off to

2729
02:37:06,000 --> 02:37:08,560
Speaker 16: wait in the mountains at six pm to six am,

2730
02:37:08,640 --> 02:37:11,080
Speaker 16: so they were just hadn't really I don't know if

2731
02:37:11,080 --> 02:37:13,320
Speaker 16: they were on the American side yet or how that worked.

2732
02:37:13,320 --> 02:37:15,200
Speaker 16: Didn't really describe it, but had to wait in the

2733
02:37:15,200 --> 02:37:18,440
Speaker 16: mountains before crossing, and so people are getting sick out there.

2734
02:37:19,600 --> 02:37:22,039
Speaker 16: We ran into that dude with the dog bite on

2735
02:37:22,440 --> 02:37:24,800
Speaker 16: at one seven seven. He was just so we we

2736
02:37:25,040 --> 02:37:27,400
Speaker 16: always go check this one camp because there hasn't been

2737
02:37:27,400 --> 02:37:29,360
Speaker 16: out since Squadi and Snal have put their camp on

2738
02:37:29,400 --> 02:37:31,200
Speaker 16: the other side, there hadn't been a whole lot of

2739
02:37:31,200 --> 02:37:34,080
Speaker 16: people crossing in this area, but we go check it periodically.

2740
02:37:34,120 --> 02:37:37,080
Speaker 16: In one morning, yeah, we saw this man hobbling towards

2741
02:37:37,200 --> 02:37:39,160
Speaker 16: us as we're driving down the road with a stick,

2742
02:37:39,560 --> 02:37:41,520
Speaker 16: and we're like, why is he walking like this? Pulled

2743
02:37:41,560 --> 02:37:43,360
Speaker 16: over and he was bitten by a dog. He said

2744
02:37:43,360 --> 02:37:44,840
Speaker 16: he went to take a drink of water and some

2745
02:37:44,959 --> 02:37:47,039
Speaker 16: dogs attacked him, two dogs, I think.

2746
02:37:47,240 --> 02:37:50,840
Speaker 5: Yeah, he'd described it to the wolf, right wolf. Yeah.

2747
02:37:50,959 --> 02:37:52,920
Speaker 16: Yeah, So we called the MS and they picked them

2748
02:37:53,000 --> 02:37:54,320
Speaker 16: up and took them to the hospitals.

2749
02:37:54,440 --> 02:37:56,440
Speaker 5: Right, big, you hadn't been there. It's a long way

2750
02:37:56,480 --> 02:37:57,880
Speaker 5: to walk with a dog bite your leg.

2751
02:37:58,240 --> 02:38:01,680
Speaker 4: Yeah, And who knows, Bordovich might not even have ems

2752
02:38:01,800 --> 02:38:03,400
Speaker 4: them out. They might have just tried to process them

2753
02:38:03,440 --> 02:38:07,760
Speaker 4: with the dog bite. Yeah, could have gotten infected or infectoris. Yeah.

2754
02:38:08,160 --> 02:38:11,680
Speaker 7: But just to go back on the mutual aid question

2755
02:38:11,800 --> 02:38:14,720
Speaker 7: that you had earlier, it hasn't all been negative. It's

2756
02:38:14,760 --> 02:38:18,080
Speaker 7: actually been a really great experience in which I've met

2757
02:38:18,200 --> 02:38:20,920
Speaker 7: really great people from all kinds of walks of life

2758
02:38:21,280 --> 02:38:24,160
Speaker 7: who have just joined together because they see a problem

2759
02:38:24,320 --> 02:38:28,600
Speaker 7: and know that they're the only they're the only ones

2760
02:38:28,640 --> 02:38:30,680
Speaker 7: that can make a difference. And it is a sure

2761
02:38:31,120 --> 02:38:35,560
Speaker 7: easy way to be really important and make a difference

2762
02:38:35,600 --> 02:38:38,600
Speaker 7: in other people's lives. You don't really need to have

2763
02:38:38,840 --> 02:38:41,320
Speaker 7: much more than a good heart and a willingness to work.

2764
02:38:41,879 --> 02:38:43,760
Speaker 5: Yeah, Like, I think we should talk about that more

2765
02:38:43,840 --> 02:38:47,760
Speaker 5: because not that some of us had some prior life experience,

2766
02:38:47,879 --> 02:38:50,400
Speaker 5: right working with refugees or migration, But I think most

2767
02:38:50,440 --> 02:38:52,800
Speaker 5: of us just were people who were like, get, this

2768
02:38:52,879 --> 02:38:54,880
Speaker 5: isn't right, and I am able to help, and so

2769
02:38:54,959 --> 02:38:57,520
Speaker 5: I'm going to help. So can you talk about like

2770
02:38:57,600 --> 02:39:00,480
Speaker 5: how people can help? And then, like you said, I

2771
02:39:00,520 --> 02:39:02,200
Speaker 5: think I've actually got a lot out of this, and

2772
02:39:02,480 --> 02:39:05,760
Speaker 5: I feel more affirmed in my belief that we can

2773
02:39:05,800 --> 02:39:07,920
Speaker 5: look out after each other without the need to control

2774
02:39:07,959 --> 02:39:10,600
Speaker 5: each other, and like we don't necessarily need people with

2775
02:39:10,720 --> 02:39:13,360
Speaker 5: guns and badges to create a society that cares for

2776
02:39:13,400 --> 02:39:16,240
Speaker 5: people who need taken care of. And so perhaps you

2777
02:39:16,280 --> 02:39:17,960
Speaker 5: could describe like how people can help, and then what

2778
02:39:18,080 --> 02:39:20,520
Speaker 5: it is that you've got out of this that keeps

2779
02:39:20,560 --> 02:39:21,200
Speaker 5: you wanting to do this.

2780
02:39:22,080 --> 02:39:24,720
Speaker 7: Well. First of all, Yeah, we don't have a clear

2781
02:39:25,440 --> 02:39:31,600
Speaker 7: structure of authoritative structure over here. We take ideas as

2782
02:39:31,640 --> 02:39:35,200
Speaker 7: a collective. Different people have contributed different things. There's a

2783
02:39:35,240 --> 02:39:38,840
Speaker 7: woman that really nailed down the PB and J making system,

2784
02:39:38,959 --> 02:39:42,400
Speaker 7: and we've all just been following her lead. Some people

2785
02:39:42,480 --> 02:39:45,200
Speaker 7: came up with the idea of having a cell phone

2786
02:39:45,280 --> 02:39:49,680
Speaker 7: charging station that was you, and it's just the list

2787
02:39:49,800 --> 02:39:54,280
Speaker 7: goes on and if you wanted to help, you could

2788
02:39:54,320 --> 02:39:56,040
Speaker 7: just come by to the border, come to one of

2789
02:39:56,080 --> 02:40:01,920
Speaker 7: these sites and just start distributing food or teaming up

2790
02:40:01,959 --> 02:40:04,800
Speaker 7: with us somehow, or by donating to the GoFundMe.

2791
02:40:05,000 --> 02:40:05,960
Speaker 5: Yeah, what's the good fund me?

2792
02:40:06,040 --> 02:40:08,520
Speaker 7: John, So let's go fundme that was set up by

2793
02:40:08,600 --> 02:40:12,080
Speaker 7: my dad. I don't actually know what it's like.

2794
02:40:12,160 --> 02:40:14,080
Speaker 4: How Cumba Migrant Aid you.

2795
02:40:14,360 --> 02:40:16,600
Speaker 5: To go fund me? How Cumba Migrant Aid. It comes up.

2796
02:40:16,800 --> 02:40:19,640
Speaker 16: Samuel Schultz, I think isy Samuel Schultz.

2797
02:40:19,720 --> 02:40:21,959
Speaker 5: So you'll know because it has like fifty thousand dollars

2798
02:40:22,000 --> 02:40:24,879
Speaker 5: on it and like maybe seven woods as a description.

2799
02:40:25,520 --> 02:40:29,920
Speaker 5: That's like GOOGLEMBA because not much else is going down here,

2800
02:40:29,959 --> 02:40:32,160
Speaker 5: I guess. But yeah, people can help that way, and

2801
02:40:32,240 --> 02:40:34,560
Speaker 5: we've had people come who listened. We had two people

2802
02:40:34,600 --> 02:40:35,960
Speaker 5: this morning right who had heard about it on the

2803
02:40:36,000 --> 02:40:38,360
Speaker 5: podcast and it come and helped. Yeah, and it made

2804
02:40:38,400 --> 02:40:39,600
Speaker 5: a really really great difference.

2805
02:40:39,840 --> 02:40:42,400
Speaker 16: Yeah, they camped out at the Sliders and really held

2806
02:40:42,440 --> 02:40:45,080
Speaker 16: it down, which is really important. I mean for some

2807
02:40:45,240 --> 02:40:47,480
Speaker 16: of us, we you know, like John and I, we

2808
02:40:47,680 --> 02:40:49,480
Speaker 16: kind of do like a morning shift where we get

2809
02:40:49,560 --> 02:40:52,200
Speaker 16: up really early and make sure to do everything that

2810
02:40:52,240 --> 02:40:54,879
Speaker 16: we need to do, prepping sandwiches, checking on all the camps.

2811
02:40:54,959 --> 02:40:56,760
Speaker 16: But a lot of people come in in the middle

2812
02:40:56,800 --> 02:40:58,680
Speaker 16: of the night. Sliders had people come in what at

2813
02:40:58,760 --> 02:40:59,840
Speaker 16: midnight or one am?

2814
02:41:00,320 --> 02:41:03,200
Speaker 7: Oh yeah, all throughout. A group came at midnight, a

2815
02:41:03,240 --> 02:41:05,280
Speaker 7: group came at like one am, and then there were

2816
02:41:05,320 --> 02:41:06,840
Speaker 7: also more that came at four am.

2817
02:41:07,200 --> 02:41:07,440
Speaker 9: Yeah.

2818
02:41:07,600 --> 02:41:10,800
Speaker 16: So like having someone on site camping, you know, making

2819
02:41:10,879 --> 02:41:13,080
Speaker 16: sure that people's needs are met and that if any

2820
02:41:13,160 --> 02:41:15,480
Speaker 16: emergencies take place, that they're taken care of, and it's

2821
02:41:15,560 --> 02:41:18,360
Speaker 16: just that smiling face when they get here.

2822
02:41:18,560 --> 02:41:20,039
Speaker 4: It makes a huge difference.

2823
02:41:20,200 --> 02:41:23,199
Speaker 16: Like that dude from Brazil, like earlier he was saying

2824
02:41:23,240 --> 02:41:24,880
Speaker 16: to me, he was like thank you so much, Like

2825
02:41:25,040 --> 02:41:27,520
Speaker 16: this is like this is humanity right here, Like I'm

2826
02:41:27,520 --> 02:41:28,400
Speaker 16: a human and I'm.

2827
02:41:28,280 --> 02:41:30,200
Speaker 4: Like, yes, we will treat you like humans here.

2828
02:41:30,440 --> 02:41:32,520
Speaker 7: Like at the end of the day, you know, these

2829
02:41:32,560 --> 02:41:35,520
Speaker 7: people coming through Central America and Mexico, they go through

2830
02:41:35,640 --> 02:41:41,920
Speaker 7: so much, you know, extortion, people ripping them off, just

2831
02:41:42,000 --> 02:41:45,360
Speaker 7: feeling unwelcome throughout that whole voyage. Yeah, just having a

2832
02:41:45,400 --> 02:41:47,840
Speaker 7: group of people welcome them into the country and treat

2833
02:41:47,879 --> 02:41:50,680
Speaker 7: them with dignity is worth more than any bottle of

2834
02:41:50,720 --> 02:41:53,720
Speaker 7: water sandwich that we can give them. And you know,

2835
02:41:53,879 --> 02:42:07,000
Speaker 7: that's that's the main thing that we're doing. I would say, I.

2836
02:42:07,200 --> 02:42:09,280
Speaker 5: Want to emphasize that people can help in so many

2837
02:42:09,360 --> 02:42:10,920
Speaker 5: ways that you can send us stuff, you can send

2838
02:42:11,000 --> 02:42:12,920
Speaker 5: us money, or you can just show up. If you

2839
02:42:13,040 --> 02:42:15,119
Speaker 5: just have a weekend, that's totally fine, or a day

2840
02:42:15,160 --> 02:42:17,440
Speaker 5: that's totally fine, or if you just want to come

2841
02:42:17,480 --> 02:42:21,360
Speaker 5: and make sandwiches, that's totally fine. Like it, We're a

2842
02:42:21,560 --> 02:42:24,640
Speaker 5: very diverse group of people, and some people have had

2843
02:42:24,720 --> 02:42:27,720
Speaker 5: more time than others. But yeah, everyone I think is valued,

2844
02:42:27,760 --> 02:42:30,600
Speaker 5: and like you said, I think like we're the way

2845
02:42:30,640 --> 02:42:34,720
Speaker 5: that we organize without anyone, like we organized horizontally, has

2846
02:42:34,760 --> 02:42:36,400
Speaker 5: allowed us to be so much better. Like do you

2847
02:42:36,440 --> 02:42:38,880
Speaker 5: remember the day there was a day when we ran

2848
02:42:38,920 --> 02:42:42,360
Speaker 5: out of plates and we were like down in Willow

2849
02:42:42,440 --> 02:42:45,200
Speaker 5: and it was just it was like chaos. And then

2850
02:42:45,640 --> 02:42:47,440
Speaker 5: someone who just arrived that day was like, oh, what

2851
02:42:47,520 --> 02:42:49,280
Speaker 5: if we put the beans in a sandwich? Bag and

2852
02:42:49,360 --> 02:42:55,039
Speaker 5: give people. That was actually Peter, who's back now after

2853
02:42:55,160 --> 02:42:58,080
Speaker 5: going on m Stringer for a while. But yeah, like

2854
02:42:58,360 --> 02:43:00,920
Speaker 5: if we had been like no, I mean we've been

2855
02:43:00,959 --> 02:43:02,520
Speaker 5: doing this for long and then those people wouldn't have

2856
02:43:02,560 --> 02:43:06,280
Speaker 5: got fed, right, But because we were willing to listen,

2857
02:43:06,959 --> 02:43:09,840
Speaker 5: then the people got fed, and like we were all

2858
02:43:09,879 --> 02:43:12,560
Speaker 5: happier because the people got fed, right, Like it worked

2859
02:43:12,640 --> 02:43:16,920
Speaker 5: better that way. So like as things change, because it

2860
02:43:17,080 --> 02:43:19,400
Speaker 5: like it. Border patrol have said explicitly that they're trying

2861
02:43:19,440 --> 02:43:22,280
Speaker 5: to push people west, right, what do you think, like,

2862
02:43:22,680 --> 02:43:24,920
Speaker 5: what do we need going forward? What do you see

2863
02:43:25,120 --> 02:43:28,960
Speaker 5: like the situation being and like it's it would be

2864
02:43:29,000 --> 02:43:31,400
Speaker 5: good to explain the context of like the changing seasons

2865
02:43:31,400 --> 02:43:31,920
Speaker 5: here as well.

2866
02:43:33,320 --> 02:43:36,080
Speaker 7: Yes, so I think what we're going to see more

2867
02:43:36,160 --> 02:43:41,880
Speaker 7: of is people that are crossing in unorthodox areas, more

2868
02:43:41,920 --> 02:43:44,280
Speaker 7: people that are hopping the fence, more people that are

2869
02:43:44,320 --> 02:43:47,520
Speaker 7: cutting holes in the walls, just popping up all over

2870
02:43:47,600 --> 02:43:50,240
Speaker 7: the place. So yeah, it would be great to have

2871
02:43:50,520 --> 02:43:53,080
Speaker 7: eyes along the border, people that are willing to travel

2872
02:43:53,160 --> 02:43:55,480
Speaker 7: up and down along the border to find out where

2873
02:43:55,480 --> 02:43:57,960
Speaker 7: these people are coming through, because for the most part,

2874
02:43:58,440 --> 02:44:00,920
Speaker 7: we don't know a lot of times where these people

2875
02:44:00,959 --> 02:44:03,480
Speaker 7: are coming through. There are a couple of new oads

2876
02:44:03,520 --> 02:44:07,000
Speaker 7: open air detention sites that are relatively close to us

2877
02:44:07,040 --> 02:44:08,920
Speaker 7: that we can't find even.

2878
02:44:08,920 --> 02:44:11,240
Speaker 5: Right, Yeah, like maybe if we had a super fancy

2879
02:44:11,320 --> 02:44:14,039
Speaker 5: drone we could find them, or just boots on the ground.

2880
02:44:13,840 --> 02:44:15,160
Speaker 4: A nice off road vehicle.

2881
02:44:15,560 --> 02:44:18,720
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, yeah, then these are all things that cost

2882
02:44:18,800 --> 02:44:21,120
Speaker 5: money that we don't have. But like we've all put

2883
02:44:21,160 --> 02:44:23,320
Speaker 5: lots of miles on our trucks and lots of miles

2884
02:44:23,360 --> 02:44:25,400
Speaker 5: on our boots trying to help out.

2885
02:44:25,480 --> 02:44:28,400
Speaker 4: My exhaust is falling off all these bumps.

2886
02:44:28,520 --> 02:44:32,240
Speaker 5: Yeah, my transfer case to coop beating. But like, yeah,

2887
02:44:32,240 --> 02:44:34,360
Speaker 5: if we had more people, some of us could focus

2888
02:44:34,440 --> 02:44:36,879
Speaker 5: on feeding people here because there was how many people

2889
02:44:36,879 --> 02:44:38,200
Speaker 5: were there when we just left, now one hundred and

2890
02:44:38,240 --> 02:44:38,960
Speaker 5: twenty something like that.

2891
02:44:39,120 --> 02:44:41,880
Speaker 7: Yeah, oh no, actually probably more if you count the

2892
02:44:41,920 --> 02:44:45,120
Speaker 7: new group. I think you know what a conservative estimate

2893
02:44:45,160 --> 02:44:46,879
Speaker 7: would have been maybe one hundred and forty.

2894
02:44:47,120 --> 02:44:49,760
Speaker 5: Yeah, so that's we'd made one hundred and forty sandwich

2895
02:44:49,840 --> 02:44:52,600
Speaker 5: used to feed them today, and we'd chopped firewood and

2896
02:44:52,640 --> 02:44:55,680
Speaker 5: taken that out and we'd be given all that out right.

2897
02:44:55,720 --> 02:44:58,560
Speaker 5: That was after the same thing at breakfast time. That

2898
02:44:58,680 --> 02:45:01,199
Speaker 5: doesn't leave much time to go meander along the border

2899
02:45:01,240 --> 02:45:03,240
Speaker 5: and look for another site. So if we have more people,

2900
02:45:03,840 --> 02:45:06,160
Speaker 5: we could do that and that would be really valuable.

2901
02:45:06,280 --> 02:45:10,080
Speaker 16: Also if you have connection to firewood, Yeah, if you're

2902
02:45:10,120 --> 02:45:12,320
Speaker 16: a person who can bring us a lot of firewood.

2903
02:45:12,480 --> 02:45:14,920
Speaker 4: We have one homie right now and he's breaking his

2904
02:45:15,080 --> 02:45:20,560
Speaker 4: back for us. So yeah, that's a definite big need

2905
02:45:20,600 --> 02:45:21,200
Speaker 4: out here. Yeah.

2906
02:45:21,400 --> 02:45:23,080
Speaker 5: Is there other stuff like that that people who maybe

2907
02:45:23,120 --> 02:45:25,200
Speaker 5: aren't here but have connections to or they could they

2908
02:45:25,240 --> 02:45:26,680
Speaker 5: could send that's particularly needed.

2909
02:45:28,680 --> 02:45:33,160
Speaker 7: A nice off road vehicle, got one lying around? Firewood

2910
02:45:33,240 --> 02:45:36,360
Speaker 7: is definitely a big thing. That's that's a huge need. Yeah,

2911
02:45:36,640 --> 02:45:38,920
Speaker 7: it's getting really cold up here, and especially in like

2912
02:45:39,120 --> 02:45:41,840
Speaker 7: sliders too. I think it's higher in elevation, so.

2913
02:45:42,040 --> 02:45:44,760
Speaker 5: So exposed to there's nothing between you and the wind.

2914
02:45:44,959 --> 02:45:45,199
Speaker 4: Yeah.

2915
02:45:45,560 --> 02:45:47,080
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's very cold out there.

2916
02:45:47,680 --> 02:45:47,880
Speaker 4: Yeah.

2917
02:45:47,959 --> 02:45:50,600
Speaker 7: But and and just other things that are that are

2918
02:45:50,720 --> 02:45:53,360
Speaker 7: easier for us to get, but we just constantly need

2919
02:45:53,560 --> 02:45:55,800
Speaker 7: such as breads, blankets, bread.

2920
02:45:55,720 --> 02:46:01,480
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, tent all these things. Right, The wind and

2921
02:46:01,600 --> 02:46:04,800
Speaker 5: the sun destroys everything that we've stokepiled after a while,

2922
02:46:04,800 --> 02:46:06,640
Speaker 5: and we have to keep reinventing the wheel. And then

2923
02:46:07,200 --> 02:46:10,600
Speaker 5: sometimes borter patrol destroys our stuff as well, or sometimes

2924
02:46:10,680 --> 02:46:13,039
Speaker 5: some chubs come and destroy our stuff, which which.

2925
02:46:12,920 --> 02:46:14,560
Speaker 4: Oh, the chads destroying our stuff.

2926
02:46:14,680 --> 02:46:17,400
Speaker 5: Yeah, we should talk about the destruction of the shelters

2927
02:46:17,440 --> 02:46:19,120
Speaker 5: before we finish, I guess, just to end on a

2928
02:46:19,200 --> 02:46:21,320
Speaker 5: sad note. What was happy not because we built them

2929
02:46:21,360 --> 02:46:24,000
Speaker 5: again and the fine. So there were some shelters I

2930
02:46:24,080 --> 02:46:27,080
Speaker 5: think mostly they were ones that had been built while

2931
02:46:27,080 --> 02:46:30,240
Speaker 5: they were ones that had been built volunteers and John,

2932
02:46:30,280 --> 02:46:31,840
Speaker 5: you saw what happened to the shelters, right.

2933
02:46:32,120 --> 02:46:35,800
Speaker 7: Yeah, So we built some shelters at one of the sites,

2934
02:46:35,879 --> 02:46:39,920
Speaker 7: at one of the main sites. You know, it was

2935
02:46:40,280 --> 02:46:43,840
Speaker 7: very simple just by having of plywood as the frame

2936
02:46:44,120 --> 02:46:49,560
Speaker 7: holding it up and then kneeling down some tarps on

2937
02:46:49,680 --> 02:46:50,400
Speaker 7: it with batons.

2938
02:46:51,240 --> 02:46:51,440
Speaker 4: It was.

2939
02:46:51,840 --> 02:46:53,160
Speaker 7: It was a nice thing. It stood up to the

2940
02:46:53,360 --> 02:46:54,959
Speaker 7: heavy winds that we have here very well.

2941
02:46:55,959 --> 02:46:59,160
Speaker 5: It's incomparably better to not having a shelter out there.

2942
02:46:59,240 --> 02:47:02,240
Speaker 16: Oh yeah, it's a completely different They're instantly use once

2943
02:47:02,280 --> 02:47:05,920
Speaker 16: people cross, and it's awesome to see like adults that

2944
02:47:06,000 --> 02:47:10,080
Speaker 16: are alone will get out and force family shelters like yeah,

2945
02:47:10,120 --> 02:47:11,360
Speaker 16: you get it first for sure.

2946
02:47:11,680 --> 02:47:14,240
Speaker 7: Yeah, and yeah, we built those. It was working out

2947
02:47:14,280 --> 02:47:16,960
Speaker 7: good then one day, the Border Patrol showed up or

2948
02:47:17,360 --> 02:47:21,160
Speaker 7: a company that was subcontracted by them and demolished them

2949
02:47:21,200 --> 02:47:25,800
Speaker 7: all using skiploaders and bulldozers and such. We showed up

2950
02:47:25,800 --> 02:47:29,760
Speaker 7: the following day, we rebuilt all the shelters, and we're

2951
02:47:29,800 --> 02:47:30,560
Speaker 7: really happy about it.

2952
02:47:30,680 --> 02:47:30,800
Speaker 8: You know.

2953
02:47:30,879 --> 02:47:32,760
Speaker 7: It was kind of a big fuck you to them.

2954
02:47:32,840 --> 02:47:34,600
Speaker 7: You can tear down our stuff, but we'll just come

2955
02:47:34,640 --> 02:47:35,440
Speaker 7: back and build more.

2956
02:47:35,680 --> 02:47:36,920
Speaker 4: Yeah, but then.

2957
02:47:38,480 --> 02:47:41,120
Speaker 7: What was it like a three four days later or

2958
02:47:41,240 --> 02:47:44,120
Speaker 7: the next day maybe i'm not the next day, two

2959
02:47:44,200 --> 02:47:47,960
Speaker 7: days it was close. Yeah, some guys just showed up

2960
02:47:48,000 --> 02:47:50,560
Speaker 7: and they tore it all up with hammers.

2961
02:47:50,640 --> 02:47:53,240
Speaker 4: They finishing a tiny little finishing.

2962
02:47:54,200 --> 02:47:54,400
Speaker 9: Yeah.

2963
02:47:54,480 --> 02:47:57,640
Speaker 5: Luckily they didn't really come equipped like maybe with the

2964
02:47:57,800 --> 02:48:00,600
Speaker 5: with the tools, they didn't really know what they Yeah,

2965
02:48:00,600 --> 02:48:02,400
Speaker 5: I think it's fair to say that. But still it's

2966
02:48:02,480 --> 02:48:04,720
Speaker 5: it's annoying when you've put the time into building it, right,

2967
02:48:04,840 --> 02:48:09,680
Speaker 5: and Border Patrol didn't destroy our contractors didn't destroy the shelters.

2968
02:48:09,760 --> 02:48:11,520
Speaker 5: At first, we were like, oh, maybe they're not using this,

2969
02:48:11,959 --> 02:48:14,000
Speaker 5: but there are one hundred and forty people there right now,

2970
02:48:14,520 --> 02:48:17,720
Speaker 5: like in the shelters that got rebuilt for a third time.

2971
02:48:18,600 --> 02:48:22,840
Speaker 5: So like, I guess even we do appreciate people donating,

2972
02:48:23,000 --> 02:48:26,320
Speaker 5: and we understand that people's resources are scarce, and like

2973
02:48:26,440 --> 02:48:29,560
Speaker 5: the economy is bad and the rent is too damn high,

2974
02:48:29,680 --> 02:48:34,199
Speaker 5: et cetera. But like every time we build up enough stuff,

2975
02:48:34,320 --> 02:48:37,080
Speaker 5: we have to like we're always running uphill because like

2976
02:48:37,400 --> 02:48:40,120
Speaker 5: stuff just gets destroyed either by the by the weather

2977
02:48:40,600 --> 02:48:43,880
Speaker 5: or by the border patrol or by volunteer Border patrol judge,

2978
02:48:45,520 --> 02:48:48,040
Speaker 5: Like we could, I guess, desperately need your help. And

2979
02:48:48,280 --> 02:48:50,840
Speaker 5: like at some point the news cycle will move on

2980
02:48:50,959 --> 02:48:53,240
Speaker 5: from the border, and that doesn't mean that we will

2981
02:48:53,280 --> 02:48:55,920
Speaker 5: be able to move on from having people to help here, right,

2982
02:48:55,959 --> 02:48:58,360
Speaker 5: because like John said, there were people and people always

2983
02:48:58,360 --> 02:49:01,000
Speaker 5: deserve to be treated with dignity. Is there anything else

2984
02:49:01,080 --> 02:49:03,760
Speaker 5: that you guys think that people should know about the situation?

2985
02:49:03,920 --> 02:49:10,720
Speaker 4: Here we wrap up, it's kind of chill.

2986
02:49:12,240 --> 02:49:14,119
Speaker 3: It is really nice, like being here.

2987
02:49:14,320 --> 02:49:15,800
Speaker 5: I come here because it makes me happy, and my

2988
02:49:15,879 --> 02:49:16,400
Speaker 5: friends are here.

2989
02:49:16,520 --> 02:49:18,880
Speaker 16: Yeah, And like the slider's location is located in a

2990
02:49:19,000 --> 02:49:22,040
Speaker 16: really awesome like you can see down just past the

2991
02:49:22,080 --> 02:49:24,560
Speaker 16: border wall there's like a nice little train track that

2992
02:49:24,760 --> 02:49:27,360
Speaker 16: used to go from US into Mexico, I guess, And

2993
02:49:27,640 --> 02:49:30,360
Speaker 16: just beyond that there's like sheep on a farm yea

2994
02:49:30,800 --> 02:49:34,080
Speaker 16: in the distance like rolling hills, the clouds come through,

2995
02:49:34,240 --> 02:49:36,960
Speaker 16: and like say, it's a really beautiful place to be

2996
02:49:37,360 --> 02:49:40,040
Speaker 16: and to hang out. And a lot of the locals

2997
02:49:40,080 --> 02:49:42,720
Speaker 16: that don't hate what we're doing are very nice. The

2998
02:49:42,800 --> 02:49:45,240
Speaker 16: people at the hotel are very supportive.

2999
02:49:45,000 --> 02:49:48,840
Speaker 7: And yeah, we're a great group, really good people. It's

3000
02:49:48,879 --> 02:49:51,640
Speaker 7: always really fun to do anything like this. People are

3001
02:49:52,360 --> 02:49:55,520
Speaker 7: generally enamored by our project and want to be involved

3002
02:49:55,560 --> 02:49:57,680
Speaker 7: and come back a second time. I mean we're kind

3003
02:49:57,680 --> 02:49:59,440
Speaker 7: of like cowboys. I mean we're doing this all on

3004
02:49:59,520 --> 02:50:02,680
Speaker 7: our own, driving up and down, looking at the sites,

3005
02:50:02,800 --> 02:50:06,840
Speaker 7: looking around, and that whole responsibility is on our shoulders.

3006
02:50:07,000 --> 02:50:09,040
Speaker 5: Yeah, it feels good to take responsibility.

3007
02:50:09,240 --> 02:50:10,760
Speaker 7: So definitely we're doing this.

3008
02:50:11,040 --> 02:50:13,440
Speaker 4: It's like no one else will, so yeah, we'll just

3009
02:50:13,520 --> 02:50:13,680
Speaker 4: do it.

3010
02:50:13,800 --> 02:50:16,680
Speaker 5: Like that's fine. It's very like it reminds me of

3011
02:50:16,760 --> 02:50:19,920
Speaker 5: the punk scene growing up, but like it's a big

3012
02:50:20,000 --> 02:50:23,360
Speaker 5: important thing. Get Like you said, every national news network

3013
02:50:23,440 --> 02:50:26,320
Speaker 5: has been down here, every drifting streamer has been down here.

3014
02:50:26,360 --> 02:50:28,400
Speaker 5: But the end of the day, it's a few dozen

3015
02:50:28,520 --> 02:50:31,360
Speaker 5: random people who are actually the ones making sure that

3016
02:50:31,480 --> 02:50:34,680
Speaker 5: people don't die here. For all the government attention, for

3017
02:50:34,720 --> 02:50:35,880
Speaker 5: all the millions of dollars spend it.

3018
02:50:36,000 --> 02:50:39,320
Speaker 7: It's just us, Yeah, working on a fraction of the butt.

3019
02:50:39,360 --> 02:50:41,879
Speaker 7: I mean it costs them more to fly a helicopter

3020
02:50:43,040 --> 02:50:45,080
Speaker 7: for a few hours than we ever.

3021
02:50:44,959 --> 02:50:48,560
Speaker 5: Spent in our entire go fund b Yeah, and yeah,

3022
02:50:48,640 --> 02:50:51,320
Speaker 5: like we get it done. We're very efficient, I guess

3023
02:50:51,520 --> 02:50:53,400
Speaker 5: in that sense. But yeah, we would love more people.

3024
02:50:54,120 --> 02:50:56,480
Speaker 5: People have come because I listen to podcasts, and that also,

3025
02:50:56,640 --> 02:50:58,800
Speaker 5: like just for me personally means the world to me.

3026
02:50:58,959 --> 02:51:01,080
Speaker 5: Like most of the time we just talk into a

3027
02:51:01,160 --> 02:51:03,640
Speaker 5: microphone and then you can't really see who you're talking

3028
02:51:03,720 --> 02:51:07,080
Speaker 5: to unless unless you go on like social media, and

3029
02:51:07,120 --> 02:51:09,800
Speaker 5: that's not always the best reflection of humanity. So like

3030
02:51:10,640 --> 02:51:12,280
Speaker 5: it really means the world to me, and that someone

3031
02:51:12,440 --> 02:51:14,320
Speaker 5: like listens to this when they're driving to work or

3032
02:51:14,520 --> 02:51:16,320
Speaker 5: you know, going on a job or whatever they're doing,

3033
02:51:16,360 --> 02:51:18,360
Speaker 5: and it's like, no, I will I will go and

3034
02:51:18,440 --> 02:51:20,840
Speaker 5: I will help, because I think that is how we

3035
02:51:20,920 --> 02:51:23,880
Speaker 5: solve so many of our problems. Like there is a

3036
02:51:23,920 --> 02:51:25,840
Speaker 5: massive problem with people not being able to afford rent

3037
02:51:25,920 --> 02:51:28,160
Speaker 5: living on the street in this country, and we solve

3038
02:51:28,240 --> 02:51:30,040
Speaker 5: it in the same way by just showing up for

3039
02:51:30,120 --> 02:51:30,440
Speaker 5: each other.

3040
02:51:30,680 --> 02:51:32,520
Speaker 16: And there's also different ways to get plugged in, Like

3041
02:51:32,600 --> 02:51:35,160
Speaker 16: if the desert's not your thing, it doesn't. I mean,

3042
02:51:35,200 --> 02:51:38,280
Speaker 16: this is like where the process starts as far as

3043
02:51:38,360 --> 02:51:41,480
Speaker 16: like the spectrum of the whole border crisis or not crisis,

3044
02:51:41,560 --> 02:51:45,520
Speaker 16: but the whole border humanitarian situation we have going on here.

3045
02:51:45,640 --> 02:51:47,840
Speaker 4: So this is what we're doing out here. But there's

3046
02:51:47,840 --> 02:51:48,920
Speaker 4: also airport runs.

3047
02:51:48,959 --> 02:51:51,240
Speaker 16: A lot of them get ditched in the airports, so

3048
02:51:51,400 --> 02:51:53,960
Speaker 16: I think we all we got SD and maybe M

3049
02:51:54,080 --> 02:51:57,160
Speaker 16: dev and center kind of hold down they do airport

3050
02:51:57,240 --> 02:51:59,480
Speaker 16: runs Border Patrol just I guess at night they don't

3051
02:51:59,560 --> 02:52:01,720
Speaker 16: drop them off like after ten or something.

3052
02:52:01,760 --> 02:52:04,160
Speaker 4: They don't drop them off at the IRIS station. They'll

3053
02:52:04,200 --> 02:52:05,560
Speaker 4: just drop them straight off at the airport.

3054
02:52:05,640 --> 02:52:07,200
Speaker 16: So they need help being fed. A lot of them

3055
02:52:07,240 --> 02:52:09,520
Speaker 16: don't have plane tickets. They need to kind of some

3056
02:52:09,840 --> 02:52:12,360
Speaker 16: you know, people need blankets because they have to sleep there.

3057
02:52:12,600 --> 02:52:14,880
Speaker 16: So well, I mean we all we got is great

3058
02:52:14,959 --> 02:52:16,840
Speaker 16: for that you can plug in with them, and I

3059
02:52:17,040 --> 02:52:21,440
Speaker 16: think Alochlado and who else is it M Deef as well,

3060
02:52:22,080 --> 02:52:24,400
Speaker 16: that's doing the IRIS street releases. So when the border

3061
02:52:24,400 --> 02:52:26,320
Speaker 16: patrol just releases them on the street, like a lot

3062
02:52:26,360 --> 02:52:28,440
Speaker 16: of people just getting a cab and go they have

3063
02:52:28,560 --> 02:52:30,600
Speaker 16: the resources, they can do that. They're already planned. But

3064
02:52:30,640 --> 02:52:32,680
Speaker 16: some people don't have any money, or they got robbed

3065
02:52:32,720 --> 02:52:34,800
Speaker 16: on the way here, so they have nothing. They need

3066
02:52:34,840 --> 02:52:36,400
Speaker 16: a lot of help. They need to figure out where

3067
02:52:36,400 --> 02:52:38,680
Speaker 16: to go. They need a place to stay. So there's

3068
02:52:38,720 --> 02:52:41,840
Speaker 16: the street releases, there's the airport, there's I think that's

3069
02:52:41,920 --> 02:52:42,160
Speaker 16: kind of.

3070
02:52:42,600 --> 02:52:46,160
Speaker 7: Or by just helping with shelters and organizations in whatever

3071
02:52:46,240 --> 02:52:48,560
Speaker 7: city you happen to be living in. You know, the

3072
02:52:48,640 --> 02:52:51,200
Speaker 7: majority of the migro well, not the majority, but a

3073
02:52:51,360 --> 02:52:54,520
Speaker 7: very typical answer migrants give me when I ask them

3074
02:52:55,000 --> 02:52:57,640
Speaker 7: where in the United States they're going to? Is New

3075
02:52:57,720 --> 02:53:00,320
Speaker 7: York City or Chicago or any of.

3076
02:53:00,320 --> 02:53:03,480
Speaker 5: These major Yeah, Lincoln, Nebraska the other day.

3077
02:53:05,920 --> 02:53:08,520
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's gonna be Idaho. Have fun.

3078
02:53:10,480 --> 02:53:11,120
Speaker 7: It was beautiful.

3079
02:53:11,440 --> 02:53:11,600
Speaker 9: Yeah.

3080
02:53:12,120 --> 02:53:14,640
Speaker 5: There was a guy have al and I met from

3081
02:53:14,640 --> 02:53:18,080
Speaker 5: a minority ethnic group in Russia. We met in September.

3082
02:53:18,280 --> 02:53:20,640
Speaker 5: I remember one of those first really cold nights and

3083
02:53:20,840 --> 02:53:23,120
Speaker 5: I was talking to this person and they were in

3084
02:53:23,120 --> 02:53:25,000
Speaker 5: Pennsylvania and I checked in with him a few weeks

3085
02:53:25,000 --> 02:53:27,280
Speaker 5: ago and they're like, happily living in Pennsylvania. Can't understand

3086
02:53:27,280 --> 02:53:30,960
Speaker 5: the word anyone else is saying. It's nice to see,

3087
02:53:30,959 --> 02:53:34,320
Speaker 5: and yeah, you can help those people live in whatever

3088
02:53:34,760 --> 02:53:37,200
Speaker 5: community you're in, And like if you're further along the border,

3089
02:53:37,320 --> 02:53:41,800
Speaker 5: there's paha Samaritans. There's no massive worthdays. There's humane borders

3090
02:53:42,680 --> 02:53:45,880
Speaker 5: to songs Samaritans as well. Right, yeah, all along the border,

3091
02:53:45,959 --> 02:53:47,800
Speaker 5: you know, there are the there are lots of good

3092
02:53:47,800 --> 02:53:51,080
Speaker 5: people in Texas, right it's a sidewalk school and Blintamoros,

3093
02:53:51,800 --> 02:53:54,000
Speaker 5: the people at the National Butterfly Center who are very

3094
02:53:54,040 --> 02:53:56,520
Speaker 5: nice people who we've heard from before, Like all along

3095
02:53:56,560 --> 02:53:59,600
Speaker 5: the border and like all around this country, there were

3096
02:53:59,600 --> 02:54:02,200
Speaker 5: there are things you can do to help, and I

3097
02:54:02,280 --> 02:54:05,880
Speaker 5: want to reinforce it. It's not like this penurious thing

3098
02:54:05,959 --> 02:54:07,720
Speaker 5: we do that's miserable and we all get together and

3099
02:54:07,840 --> 02:54:10,080
Speaker 5: cry every night. Like we do have a nice time,

3100
02:54:10,320 --> 02:54:12,600
Speaker 5: even though we have seen some really stressful things. Like

3101
02:54:12,640 --> 02:54:15,039
Speaker 5: we all look after one another and hold space when

3102
02:54:15,040 --> 02:54:17,600
Speaker 5: people do need help or extra time to process something.

3103
02:54:17,720 --> 02:54:20,560
Speaker 5: But it's a very supportive community and we support each

3104
02:54:20,600 --> 02:54:22,440
Speaker 5: other through lots of other things, like aside from this,

3105
02:54:22,640 --> 02:54:25,600
Speaker 5: and I think a lot of people in general in

3106
02:54:26,840 --> 02:54:29,840
Speaker 5: the twenty first century America struggle with isolation. And that's

3107
02:54:29,879 --> 02:54:34,120
Speaker 5: a thing that capitalism does to people, right, it isolates

3108
02:54:34,200 --> 02:54:37,800
Speaker 5: us from each other and so hopefully, like I think

3109
02:54:37,879 --> 02:54:39,920
Speaker 5: this is a solution for me. This has been a

3110
02:54:40,000 --> 02:54:42,879
Speaker 5: really positive thing, but like generally my sense of hope.

3111
02:54:43,600 --> 02:54:45,560
Speaker 16: Yeah, and like what we're doing this kind of does

3112
02:54:45,680 --> 02:54:50,080
Speaker 16: it's disaster humanitarian relief effort. It's kind of with the

3113
02:54:50,160 --> 02:54:53,400
Speaker 16: way the climate is going in the world in climate,

3114
02:54:54,840 --> 02:54:55,440
Speaker 16: climate are going.

3115
02:54:55,400 --> 02:54:56,199
Speaker 5: To get less common.

3116
02:54:56,600 --> 02:54:58,920
Speaker 16: Yeah, this will just be getting more common. And like

3117
02:54:59,080 --> 02:55:02,400
Speaker 16: this kind of like preparing and building community and like

3118
02:55:02,680 --> 02:55:06,880
Speaker 16: this disaster scenario is gonna yeah, definitely be more in commons.

3119
02:55:06,959 --> 02:55:08,240
Speaker 4: And it's not that easy to do.

3120
02:55:08,520 --> 02:55:10,800
Speaker 7: I mean, it's not that hard to do now, you know,

3121
02:55:10,959 --> 02:55:12,960
Speaker 7: you just got to have the intention and then you

3122
02:55:13,120 --> 02:55:15,520
Speaker 7: just got to get together and do it. That's all.

3123
02:55:15,600 --> 02:55:16,720
Speaker 7: That's all you really need to do.

3124
02:55:16,840 --> 02:55:19,280
Speaker 5: Don't think that it's like this. If someone had said

3125
02:55:19,320 --> 02:55:22,560
Speaker 5: to us, what plus or minus fifty thousand people probably

3126
02:55:22,640 --> 02:55:24,360
Speaker 5: have come through. I have no idea on the numbers,

3127
02:55:24,360 --> 02:55:25,280
Speaker 5: but somewhere around there.

3128
02:55:25,400 --> 02:55:26,480
Speaker 7: Yeah, probably more than that.

3129
02:55:26,760 --> 02:55:29,440
Speaker 5: Yeah, if we like I remember in May when we

3130
02:55:29,560 --> 02:55:32,600
Speaker 5: cleaned up the first o ads, when we were like

3131
02:55:32,640 --> 02:55:34,400
Speaker 5: when I first met your mum and dad, John, we

3132
02:55:34,480 --> 02:55:37,040
Speaker 5: were cleaning up the first o ads and we were like, wow,

3133
02:55:37,120 --> 02:55:39,040
Speaker 5: that was a horrible thing that happened. That was really fucked.

3134
02:55:39,280 --> 02:55:43,080
Speaker 5: If someone had said, right, well, between now and next March,

3135
02:55:43,160 --> 02:55:45,080
Speaker 5: fifty thousand people will come through here and it's mostly

3136
02:55:45,120 --> 02:55:47,360
Speaker 5: going to be you guys who are here picking up trash,

3137
02:55:47,440 --> 02:55:48,120
Speaker 5: and that's that's all.

3138
02:55:48,160 --> 02:55:48,640
Speaker 4: It's going to be.

3139
02:55:48,720 --> 02:55:50,640
Speaker 5: Like it's on you. It would have been it would

3140
02:55:50,640 --> 02:55:54,000
Speaker 5: have seemed overwhelming, right, But I don't think people should

3141
02:55:54,080 --> 02:55:58,039
Speaker 5: feel afraid to confront these big problems because like between

3142
02:55:58,280 --> 02:56:00,560
Speaker 5: the group of people who we've said would hear, we've

3143
02:56:00,560 --> 02:56:03,000
Speaker 5: been able to confront this problem and make it survivable

3144
02:56:03,160 --> 02:56:06,840
Speaker 5: and treat people with dignity and bring some dignity and

3145
02:56:06,920 --> 02:56:09,200
Speaker 5: humanity into a situation where there wasn't any, right.

3146
02:56:10,400 --> 02:56:12,240
Speaker 4: Yeah, And there's a role for everybody. No matter what

3147
02:56:12,440 --> 02:56:12,640
Speaker 4: you do.

3148
02:56:12,760 --> 02:56:14,960
Speaker 16: You can find your niche of what you know, you

3149
02:56:16,040 --> 02:56:18,240
Speaker 16: makes you feel good, or something that you're good at,

3150
02:56:18,320 --> 02:56:22,480
Speaker 16: you know. Yeah, it's finding the little fascists that destroyed

3151
02:56:22,520 --> 02:56:25,280
Speaker 16: our things online and doing all that online footwork, or

3152
02:56:25,360 --> 02:56:29,360
Speaker 16: it's building shelters, or it's making PB and J's or.

3153
02:56:29,600 --> 02:56:31,520
Speaker 5: Our friends made out website and made a really good

3154
02:56:31,520 --> 02:56:35,039
Speaker 5: website website, yeah, or even Yeah, just.

3155
02:56:35,080 --> 02:56:38,360
Speaker 16: Being someone that speaks multiple languages is a huge need

3156
02:56:38,400 --> 02:56:41,800
Speaker 16: out here, especially I mean Spanish is pretty common, but

3157
02:56:41,879 --> 02:56:45,200
Speaker 16: the harder languages, like I mean Mandarin.

3158
02:56:46,200 --> 02:56:48,280
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, if you speak Mandarin and then you reach

3159
02:56:48,360 --> 02:56:49,880
Speaker 5: out to us and when we can call you, then

3160
02:56:49,920 --> 02:56:51,680
Speaker 5: that would be huge, right. They could make real in

3161
02:56:51,720 --> 02:56:53,800
Speaker 5: a medical emergency that could be a life or death thing.

3162
02:56:54,520 --> 02:56:56,120
Speaker 5: So there are a ton of ways to help and

3163
02:56:56,360 --> 02:56:58,480
Speaker 5: re encourage people to kind of go up to they can.

3164
02:56:58,800 --> 02:57:01,000
Speaker 5: Where can people follow along with YouTube? Do you have

3165
02:57:01,120 --> 02:57:03,280
Speaker 5: like social media or anything that you want to plug?

3166
02:57:05,360 --> 02:57:05,680
Speaker 10: I don't.

3167
02:57:05,720 --> 02:57:10,119
Speaker 7: I'm gonna keep mine frivving the world beautiful.

3168
02:57:11,200 --> 02:57:11,400
Speaker 4: Yeah.

3169
02:57:11,520 --> 02:57:14,120
Speaker 16: One of the how I got involved in this is

3170
02:57:14,240 --> 02:57:16,480
Speaker 16: through members of a drum line that I am part of,

3171
02:57:16,600 --> 02:57:19,119
Speaker 16: so we show up for protests, have been since twenty

3172
02:57:19,200 --> 02:57:21,560
Speaker 16: twenty direct Action drum Line.

3173
02:57:21,600 --> 02:57:22,199
Speaker 4: On Instagram.

3174
02:57:22,360 --> 02:57:25,040
Speaker 16: We post a lot of different stuff from organizing for

3175
02:57:25,120 --> 02:57:29,120
Speaker 16: Palestine to you know, we were doing a lot of

3176
02:57:29,120 --> 02:57:31,560
Speaker 16: Black Lives Matter stuff early in twenty twenty and now

3177
02:57:31,680 --> 02:57:33,680
Speaker 16: it's you know, kind of cross mixed with border aids

3178
02:57:33,680 --> 02:57:37,080
Speaker 16: since I've been out here, So we occasionally will make

3179
02:57:37,160 --> 02:57:38,760
Speaker 16: posts so you can follow along there.

3180
02:57:39,840 --> 02:57:41,840
Speaker 4: Alo Gelato is a.

3181
02:57:41,840 --> 02:57:45,720
Speaker 16: Good one to follow on social media inco Paul Wellness

3182
02:57:46,560 --> 02:57:49,440
Speaker 16: on Instagram Borderlands Relief Collective.

3183
02:57:49,440 --> 02:57:51,520
Speaker 4: I'm sure a lot of the people listening already follow

3184
02:57:51,600 --> 02:57:54,440
Speaker 4: a lot of these people. But yeah, there's a network

3185
02:57:54,520 --> 02:57:55,000
Speaker 4: through all of that.

3186
02:57:55,160 --> 02:57:56,640
Speaker 16: And so once you start following one or the other,

3187
02:57:56,720 --> 02:57:58,600
Speaker 16: we all tag each other and we share each other's

3188
02:57:58,600 --> 02:58:01,160
Speaker 16: stuff so you can get involved and figure out what's

3189
02:58:01,200 --> 02:58:01,520
Speaker 16: going on.

3190
02:58:01,959 --> 02:58:05,400
Speaker 5: Yeah, and the is it bored? What's the website for?

3191
02:58:05,640 --> 02:58:08,360
Speaker 5: That's a great resource? Order ay dot get help dot io.

3192
02:58:08,560 --> 02:58:10,840
Speaker 5: I think if you give it a Google somewhere or

3193
02:58:10,879 --> 02:58:12,880
Speaker 5: somewhere around that you'll find it. It is a good website.

3194
02:58:12,920 --> 02:58:15,440
Speaker 5: And like if you are facing similar issues in your

3195
02:58:15,480 --> 02:58:17,879
Speaker 5: community or wherever you are, whatever it is. Like, we've

3196
02:58:17,920 --> 02:58:20,039
Speaker 5: definitely made a lot of mistakes and we've learned a lot,

3197
02:58:20,120 --> 02:58:21,920
Speaker 5: and so we've tried to document the things that we've

3198
02:58:21,959 --> 02:58:24,080
Speaker 5: learned so that you guys don't have to reinvent the

3199
02:58:24,080 --> 02:58:26,920
Speaker 5: wheels somewhere else. Right, Like, you know, you can be

3200
02:58:27,120 --> 02:58:29,040
Speaker 5: an efficient PB and jamaker just like us.

3201
02:58:30,280 --> 02:58:32,520
Speaker 4: Right, learn Suirly's technique.

3202
02:58:34,360 --> 02:58:36,359
Speaker 5: All right, thank you so much, guys, I really appreciate

3203
02:58:36,360 --> 02:58:37,160
Speaker 5: your time that question.

3204
02:58:37,320 --> 02:58:37,560
Speaker 7: Thank you.

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