1 00:00:02,880 --> 00:00:06,440 Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast, your home for 2 00:00:06,519 --> 00:00:11,479 Speaker 1: deer hunting news, stories and strategies, and now your host, 3 00:00:11,880 --> 00:00:16,480 Speaker 1: Mark Kenyon. Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast. I'm 4 00:00:16,520 --> 00:00:18,920 Speaker 1: your host, Mark Kenyan. This is episode number two hundred 5 00:00:19,000 --> 00:00:22,119 Speaker 1: and twenty two, and today on the podcast we're covering 6 00:00:22,160 --> 00:00:24,919 Speaker 1: just about everything you need to know to hunt public 7 00:00:25,000 --> 00:00:27,240 Speaker 1: land white tails. And helping us do that are eight 8 00:00:27,280 --> 00:00:46,120 Speaker 1: of the best public land deer hunters from across the country. 9 00:00:47,800 --> 00:00:50,960 Speaker 1: All right, welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast, brought 10 00:00:51,000 --> 00:00:53,720 Speaker 1: to you by Onyx. And today on the show, we're 11 00:00:53,720 --> 00:00:56,360 Speaker 1: doing something a little bit different. So today I want 12 00:00:56,400 --> 00:00:59,320 Speaker 1: to cover a wide swath of topics related to public 13 00:00:59,360 --> 00:01:02,160 Speaker 1: land deer hunt. And I'm sure this isn't news to 14 00:01:02,240 --> 00:01:04,640 Speaker 1: most of you, but as hunting access on private land 15 00:01:04,680 --> 00:01:07,600 Speaker 1: becomes harder and harder to come by, more hunters returning 16 00:01:07,640 --> 00:01:10,440 Speaker 1: to public land options, and because of that, the interest 17 00:01:10,560 --> 00:01:12,959 Speaker 1: and demand for that kind of content keeps rising too. 18 00:01:13,160 --> 00:01:15,600 Speaker 1: So because of that, over the last four years or 19 00:01:15,640 --> 00:01:17,760 Speaker 1: so of the podcast, we've had a whole slew of 20 00:01:17,800 --> 00:01:20,920 Speaker 1: different public land experts on the show to share their 21 00:01:20,920 --> 00:01:25,720 Speaker 1: perspectives and strategies for these kinds of scenarios. But those conversations, 22 00:01:26,040 --> 00:01:29,080 Speaker 1: they're scattered across dozens of episodes from way back in 23 00:01:29,120 --> 00:01:31,480 Speaker 1: the archives, and it kind of makes it hard to 24 00:01:31,720 --> 00:01:33,920 Speaker 1: find and utilize that stuff, especially if you're new to 25 00:01:33,959 --> 00:01:35,760 Speaker 1: the podcast or to deer Hunt. So I got to 26 00:01:35,800 --> 00:01:37,840 Speaker 1: thinking about this a little while back because I'm in 27 00:01:37,880 --> 00:01:40,240 Speaker 1: the midst of planning a couple of public land whitetail 28 00:01:40,319 --> 00:01:43,560 Speaker 1: hunts myself for this season. One is in Montana and 29 00:01:43,600 --> 00:01:46,360 Speaker 1: the other in Minnesota, and I was actually wanting to 30 00:01:46,400 --> 00:01:48,400 Speaker 1: go back and review some of the ideas that have 31 00:01:48,440 --> 00:01:51,400 Speaker 1: been shared in past episodes, but I quickly realized that 32 00:01:51,520 --> 00:01:54,400 Speaker 1: is easier said than done, so I decided to do 33 00:01:54,440 --> 00:01:56,920 Speaker 1: something about it, and that is what we've got here today. 34 00:01:57,240 --> 00:01:59,400 Speaker 1: I've gone through all of our podcasts archives to find 35 00:01:59,400 --> 00:02:02,120 Speaker 1: the best public gland hunting tactics and advice, and then 36 00:02:02,160 --> 00:02:04,920 Speaker 1: pull out the best segments of those conversations for us 37 00:02:04,960 --> 00:02:08,240 Speaker 1: to review together here today in this one single episode. 38 00:02:08,520 --> 00:02:10,519 Speaker 1: So I think that if you're an avid public land 39 00:02:10,520 --> 00:02:13,000 Speaker 1: deer hunter, this should be a great review, and if 40 00:02:13,000 --> 00:02:14,920 Speaker 1: you're just getting started, this is going to be the 41 00:02:15,000 --> 00:02:17,359 Speaker 1: perfect launching point. So here in a minute, we're gonna 42 00:02:17,440 --> 00:02:21,600 Speaker 1: hear from folks like Tony Peterson, Bernie Barringer, John Eberhart, 43 00:02:21,600 --> 00:02:26,240 Speaker 1: Tyler right now, Andy may Aaron Warburton, Eddie Claypool, Todd 44 00:02:26,280 --> 00:02:28,760 Speaker 1: Mead and more. And then along the way, I will 45 00:02:28,800 --> 00:02:31,000 Speaker 1: also be chiming in with a few thoughts of my 46 00:02:31,080 --> 00:02:34,720 Speaker 1: own too. So, like I said, this is a new idea. 47 00:02:34,840 --> 00:02:37,200 Speaker 1: I don't know if this kind of review podcast is 48 00:02:37,240 --> 00:02:39,440 Speaker 1: going to work or not, So you guys are just 49 00:02:39,480 --> 00:02:41,799 Speaker 1: gonna let me know. I'll be curious here your feedback. 50 00:02:42,040 --> 00:02:44,000 Speaker 1: I do think the hearing from all of these different 51 00:02:44,040 --> 00:02:46,720 Speaker 1: people on all sorts of public land deer hunting topics 52 00:02:46,760 --> 00:02:48,720 Speaker 1: all in one place, back to back to back, I 53 00:02:48,760 --> 00:02:50,760 Speaker 1: do think it's going to be something that really helps 54 00:02:50,840 --> 00:02:54,400 Speaker 1: drive home certain lessons or ideas. So I'm really hopeful 55 00:02:54,440 --> 00:02:57,080 Speaker 1: this can be helpful to a lot of you. But 56 00:02:57,200 --> 00:02:59,399 Speaker 1: we will see. So what that said, Before we get 57 00:02:59,440 --> 00:03:01,720 Speaker 1: to it, let's take a very quick break to thank 58 00:03:01,760 --> 00:03:04,880 Speaker 1: our partners at White Tailed Properties for their continued support 59 00:03:04,919 --> 00:03:09,240 Speaker 1: of the Wired to Hunt podcast, and today producer Spencer 60 00:03:09,280 --> 00:03:12,480 Speaker 1: new Hearth is chatting with land specialist Neil Hagger about 61 00:03:12,480 --> 00:03:14,800 Speaker 1: the dream that many of us public land hunters have, 62 00:03:15,320 --> 00:03:18,040 Speaker 1: which is someday maybe actually owning a little piece of 63 00:03:18,080 --> 00:03:21,200 Speaker 1: dirt on our own. This week with White Tailed Properties, 64 00:03:21,400 --> 00:03:24,000 Speaker 1: we are joined by Neil Hagger, a land specialist out 65 00:03:24,000 --> 00:03:26,320 Speaker 1: of Wisconsin, and Neil is going to be talking to 66 00:03:26,360 --> 00:03:28,880 Speaker 1: us about what buyers should look for when they want 67 00:03:28,880 --> 00:03:31,360 Speaker 1: to put food plots on a property that doesn't currently 68 00:03:31,400 --> 00:03:35,880 Speaker 1: have any. Well, I always like to try to add 69 00:03:36,240 --> 00:03:38,480 Speaker 1: food plots in areas that are kind of a natural 70 00:03:38,760 --> 00:03:41,480 Speaker 1: line of travel. So let me speak to my own 71 00:03:41,520 --> 00:03:44,640 Speaker 1: experience of my own place. Um, I'm in big woods 72 00:03:44,960 --> 00:03:47,760 Speaker 1: and there are no food plots and there are are 73 00:03:47,800 --> 00:03:53,800 Speaker 1: no agricultural fields for miles. So my limitations were that 74 00:03:53,960 --> 00:03:55,960 Speaker 1: I only have so many places I can put them. 75 00:03:56,040 --> 00:03:58,720 Speaker 1: That was the first limitation of where can I put them? 76 00:03:59,040 --> 00:04:02,640 Speaker 1: Where is it flatten? Whar is it dry enough? Um? 77 00:04:02,760 --> 00:04:04,560 Speaker 1: But what I tried to do on my own place 78 00:04:04,680 --> 00:04:08,040 Speaker 1: is I try to design with line of travel for 79 00:04:08,080 --> 00:04:11,600 Speaker 1: the animals in mind, and also approach so my own 80 00:04:12,200 --> 00:04:15,720 Speaker 1: line of travel, and from my point of it, my 81 00:04:15,840 --> 00:04:18,920 Speaker 1: side of it, I try to approach my foot plots 82 00:04:18,960 --> 00:04:22,080 Speaker 1: in a perpendicular manner, meaning kind of have a ninety 83 00:04:22,080 --> 00:04:27,240 Speaker 1: degree angle, so that I have I minimized the opportunity 84 00:04:27,320 --> 00:04:30,320 Speaker 1: to cross paths with the animals as they're moving on 85 00:04:30,520 --> 00:04:35,000 Speaker 1: their natural travel lines, if that makes sense. So, uh, 86 00:04:35,160 --> 00:04:39,320 Speaker 1: cover bedding cover to food to maybe more bedding cover, 87 00:04:39,440 --> 00:04:40,960 Speaker 1: and I put my food in the middle and then 88 00:04:41,000 --> 00:04:43,080 Speaker 1: I try to approach it at a ninety three angle, 89 00:04:43,160 --> 00:04:46,480 Speaker 1: so there's one point of contact on that line, if 90 00:04:46,520 --> 00:04:49,640 Speaker 1: that makes sense. If you'd like to learn more and 91 00:04:49,680 --> 00:04:52,720 Speaker 1: to see the properties that Neil currently has listed for sale, 92 00:04:53,200 --> 00:04:57,919 Speaker 1: visit white tail properties dot com. Backslash Hogger. It's h 93 00:04:58,000 --> 00:05:01,320 Speaker 1: A U G E R Okay. So when it comes 94 00:05:01,360 --> 00:05:03,880 Speaker 1: to chasing white tails on public land, I think the 95 00:05:04,040 --> 00:05:06,160 Speaker 1: very first thing we need to talk about is the 96 00:05:06,200 --> 00:05:09,839 Speaker 1: mental side of things, that being, you know, our expectations 97 00:05:10,240 --> 00:05:13,440 Speaker 1: and our goals and our mindset, because if you don't 98 00:05:13,440 --> 00:05:15,600 Speaker 1: have that kind of stuff figured out right out the gate, 99 00:05:16,040 --> 00:05:18,240 Speaker 1: all the tactics and secret spots in the world, they're 100 00:05:18,240 --> 00:05:20,080 Speaker 1: not going to do you any good at all. You 101 00:05:20,120 --> 00:05:23,280 Speaker 1: see the reality of public land deer hunting in most cases, 102 00:05:23,400 --> 00:05:25,680 Speaker 1: it's very different than the deer hunting you see on 103 00:05:25,720 --> 00:05:29,240 Speaker 1: TV or in magazines or on websites. And if you're 104 00:05:29,240 --> 00:05:31,960 Speaker 1: not mentally prepared for this from the get go, you 105 00:05:32,000 --> 00:05:34,680 Speaker 1: could be setting yourself up for a lot of disappointment 106 00:05:35,040 --> 00:05:37,760 Speaker 1: public landeer on it. It It is a serious challenge, so 107 00:05:37,800 --> 00:05:40,680 Speaker 1: you need to go into it with realistic expectations and 108 00:05:40,800 --> 00:05:43,680 Speaker 1: goals based on that challenge, and you need to be 109 00:05:43,720 --> 00:05:46,479 Speaker 1: mentally prepared for the obstacles that are certainly going to 110 00:05:46,520 --> 00:05:49,200 Speaker 1: be appearing in your way. Now, over the years, I've 111 00:05:49,279 --> 00:05:51,960 Speaker 1: chatted with a lot of great deer hunters about these topics, 112 00:05:52,000 --> 00:05:55,200 Speaker 1: and two in particular touched on this mental aspect in 113 00:05:55,279 --> 00:05:58,360 Speaker 1: relation to public land. So first we're gonna hear from 114 00:05:58,440 --> 00:06:01,480 Speaker 1: Tony Peterson, who's an outdoor writer for magazines such as 115 00:06:01,480 --> 00:06:05,280 Speaker 1: bow Hunter Magazine and North American White Tail who specializes 116 00:06:05,320 --> 00:06:08,159 Speaker 1: in public land deer hunts. Here he is talking about 117 00:06:08,200 --> 00:06:11,640 Speaker 1: the importance of reasonable goals there. And I really think 118 00:06:11,640 --> 00:06:15,200 Speaker 1: one of the reasons that we shed hunter numbers is 119 00:06:15,240 --> 00:06:18,720 Speaker 1: I run into a lot of a lot of let's say, 120 00:06:18,880 --> 00:06:21,680 Speaker 1: kind of eighteen to twenty five year old crowd that 121 00:06:21,839 --> 00:06:24,760 Speaker 1: comes in and they're they're setting their sights on you know, 122 00:06:25,680 --> 00:06:29,200 Speaker 1: plus box every year, and they're not they're not able 123 00:06:29,240 --> 00:06:32,680 Speaker 1: to do it because that's so difficult, and they become 124 00:06:32,720 --> 00:06:36,240 Speaker 1: frustrated with the process. And we've in in some ways 125 00:06:36,240 --> 00:06:38,600 Speaker 1: we're kind of skipping that natural progression of the hunter 126 00:06:38,640 --> 00:06:41,120 Speaker 1: where everybody used to start out, you know, hunting squirrels 127 00:06:41,120 --> 00:06:43,040 Speaker 1: with the twenty two and maybe moving up to rabbits 128 00:06:43,080 --> 00:06:45,800 Speaker 1: and maybe pheasants and turkeys and then deer, and you 129 00:06:45,839 --> 00:06:48,520 Speaker 1: were happy with whatever dear you shot first. And we're 130 00:06:48,960 --> 00:06:51,240 Speaker 1: a lot of people are starting out with expectations that 131 00:06:51,279 --> 00:06:55,760 Speaker 1: are just, you know, to me, kind of insane um 132 00:06:55,800 --> 00:06:57,479 Speaker 1: and I think you know, and I'm I'm part of 133 00:06:57,520 --> 00:06:59,200 Speaker 1: that problem too. I mean I worked for these magazines 134 00:06:59,200 --> 00:07:01,920 Speaker 1: and these TV shows where we present this this false 135 00:07:02,000 --> 00:07:05,200 Speaker 1: reality out there where if you look at you know, 136 00:07:05,279 --> 00:07:08,160 Speaker 1: what the average what the average person kills with a 137 00:07:08,240 --> 00:07:12,600 Speaker 1: bow per year. I mean it's like, you know, anybody 138 00:07:12,640 --> 00:07:14,920 Speaker 1: that's out there killing a hundred and fifteen inch bucks 139 00:07:14,960 --> 00:07:16,640 Speaker 1: every year, I don't care if you're in Iowa or 140 00:07:16,680 --> 00:07:19,480 Speaker 1: Michigan or Pennsylvania, South Carolina or wherever. If you're killing 141 00:07:19,520 --> 00:07:22,360 Speaker 1: a buck like that, you're doing something better than most 142 00:07:22,400 --> 00:07:25,200 Speaker 1: people out there. And you bump it right up and go, okay, 143 00:07:25,240 --> 00:07:30,080 Speaker 1: how about which is a great deer. If anybody's out 144 00:07:30,120 --> 00:07:33,000 Speaker 1: there consistently killing those deer, even in the good States, 145 00:07:33,320 --> 00:07:37,160 Speaker 1: they're really doing something right, And like you said, most 146 00:07:37,160 --> 00:07:40,280 Speaker 1: people with their with their goals. I tell people all 147 00:07:40,280 --> 00:07:42,600 Speaker 1: the time, just hunt for what makes you happy. Nobody 148 00:07:42,640 --> 00:07:45,000 Speaker 1: else cares what you kill. There's like three people in 149 00:07:45,040 --> 00:07:48,080 Speaker 1: your life that actually care what size of a buck 150 00:07:48,160 --> 00:07:51,120 Speaker 1: you kill. The rest of them really don't. So if 151 00:07:51,160 --> 00:07:53,560 Speaker 1: that deer walks in and you'd be stoked to shoot it, 152 00:07:53,680 --> 00:07:57,400 Speaker 1: just shoot it. Who cares what everybody else thinks and 153 00:07:57,560 --> 00:08:00,200 Speaker 1: solve that up. We've got another writer and E I 154 00:08:00,320 --> 00:08:03,160 Speaker 1: Y specialist, Eddie Claypool, who had some great advice to 155 00:08:03,240 --> 00:08:06,360 Speaker 1: share on the mental side of these types of hunts. 156 00:08:06,400 --> 00:08:09,200 Speaker 1: And then also the importance of your attitude, and like 157 00:08:09,320 --> 00:08:13,080 Speaker 1: Tony just said, the importance of having fun. That's what 158 00:08:13,120 --> 00:08:15,280 Speaker 1: we're talking about here, is how to get some means 159 00:08:15,360 --> 00:08:18,720 Speaker 1: together and go do it. Have fun, don't forget fun. 160 00:08:19,160 --> 00:08:21,400 Speaker 1: You know, even when you go do it on your own, 161 00:08:21,480 --> 00:08:24,080 Speaker 1: you can get in that binge of trying to be 162 00:08:24,480 --> 00:08:27,240 Speaker 1: so successful that you put too much pressure on yourself. 163 00:08:27,280 --> 00:08:29,840 Speaker 1: And that's one of my greatest problems. I I slow. 164 00:08:29,920 --> 00:08:32,360 Speaker 1: I'm kind of like a you know, an addict there. 165 00:08:32,400 --> 00:08:34,400 Speaker 1: I have a problem. I don't watch myself. I'll fall 166 00:08:34,480 --> 00:08:36,559 Speaker 1: off the fence, you know, and on, and I get 167 00:08:36,559 --> 00:08:39,080 Speaker 1: on that side of wanting to put pressure on myself, 168 00:08:39,160 --> 00:08:41,840 Speaker 1: you know, and I just have to stop and have 169 00:08:41,920 --> 00:08:45,480 Speaker 1: a complete change of heart, mind and approach and start over. 170 00:08:45,520 --> 00:08:48,720 Speaker 1: And that's happened many times in my days, and I 171 00:08:49,280 --> 00:08:51,480 Speaker 1: you know, I'm I'm done my best to stay on 172 00:08:51,520 --> 00:08:55,760 Speaker 1: the bandwagon of have fun, because whether you're under pressure, 173 00:08:56,520 --> 00:08:59,880 Speaker 1: whether your anals, or whether you're just having fun, it's 174 00:09:00,040 --> 00:09:02,800 Speaker 1: not really going to change what goes on in the fields. 175 00:09:02,800 --> 00:09:05,319 Speaker 1: A matter of fact, I think people do worse when 176 00:09:05,360 --> 00:09:08,760 Speaker 1: they're under pressure, you know what I mean. You know, 177 00:09:08,880 --> 00:09:12,800 Speaker 1: So it's all about bow hunting for white tails in 178 00:09:12,840 --> 00:09:17,120 Speaker 1: a fall setting, doing it on your own, learning from 179 00:09:17,280 --> 00:09:20,000 Speaker 1: the good and the bad of the trip, and you know, 180 00:09:20,040 --> 00:09:23,959 Speaker 1: and trying to get better at it, and just having fun. Yeah. 181 00:09:24,200 --> 00:09:26,760 Speaker 1: I definitely find myself in a similar camp as you, 182 00:09:26,880 --> 00:09:32,199 Speaker 1: and that I'm so so passionate about it, so invested 183 00:09:32,240 --> 00:09:34,480 Speaker 1: in it, that I put so much pressure on myself. 184 00:09:34,520 --> 00:09:36,160 Speaker 1: And to your point, you know, I'll be out there 185 00:09:36,400 --> 00:09:40,000 Speaker 1: and I'm getting angry at myself with the situation and frustrated, 186 00:09:40,240 --> 00:09:42,000 Speaker 1: and then all of a sudden, you have those moments. 187 00:09:42,240 --> 00:09:45,280 Speaker 1: Hopefully you have a moment where like, what are you doing? Like, yeah, 188 00:09:45,559 --> 00:09:48,200 Speaker 1: this is supposed to be fun. Why are you doing 189 00:09:48,240 --> 00:09:50,160 Speaker 1: all this if you're just going to be miserable the 190 00:09:50,160 --> 00:09:53,080 Speaker 1: whole time? So it's exactly and to your point, I 191 00:09:53,120 --> 00:09:56,080 Speaker 1: really do think that when you flip that mindset, when 192 00:09:56,080 --> 00:09:59,400 Speaker 1: you're able to catch yourself and keep that positive attitude, 193 00:09:59,760 --> 00:10:02,080 Speaker 1: that's when you end up being the most ready for 194 00:10:02,240 --> 00:10:04,760 Speaker 1: the moment. That's when you're the most you know, prepared 195 00:10:04,920 --> 00:10:08,360 Speaker 1: and emotionally and physically capable of pulling off a successful 196 00:10:08,440 --> 00:10:10,320 Speaker 1: hunt or seeing that you're and getting a good shot 197 00:10:10,400 --> 00:10:12,640 Speaker 1: or whatever it might be. So really, your mindset can 198 00:10:12,679 --> 00:10:16,560 Speaker 1: have such an influence on how an actual hunt plays out. Well, 199 00:10:17,080 --> 00:10:19,000 Speaker 1: just take that to sports. I mean, when you're in 200 00:10:19,040 --> 00:10:21,240 Speaker 1: a good mindset and you get on the field and 201 00:10:21,280 --> 00:10:24,319 Speaker 1: you feel in control and happy and you know everything's 202 00:10:24,360 --> 00:10:27,440 Speaker 1: going well, you're gonna perform at a superior level. Versus 203 00:10:27,440 --> 00:10:29,720 Speaker 1: if you go out there browbeaten one day some guy 204 00:10:29,760 --> 00:10:32,680 Speaker 1: just knocked the fire out of you and you're like, WHOA, 205 00:10:33,040 --> 00:10:36,800 Speaker 1: you know, I feel like a little insignificant punk out here. 206 00:10:36,840 --> 00:10:39,240 Speaker 1: You know you're not going to perform well, or maybe 207 00:10:39,520 --> 00:10:42,320 Speaker 1: you know that you hate you just had a fight 208 00:10:42,400 --> 00:10:45,520 Speaker 1: to white that you know you're not gonna play ball 209 00:10:45,679 --> 00:10:47,560 Speaker 1: was good that day. So it's like that one hunting, 210 00:10:47,920 --> 00:10:50,920 Speaker 1: it's you know, go out there and forget the TV 211 00:10:51,120 --> 00:10:55,000 Speaker 1: hype and forget all of the industry hype, and go 212 00:10:55,040 --> 00:10:58,680 Speaker 1: out there and perform at a personal, private level. You'll 213 00:10:58,679 --> 00:11:01,720 Speaker 1: be you'll be satisfied whatever the results stand. You know. 214 00:11:02,840 --> 00:11:04,760 Speaker 1: And here's Tony again with just a little bit more 215 00:11:04,840 --> 00:11:07,680 Speaker 1: of the same. We talk about a lot of different 216 00:11:07,679 --> 00:11:10,120 Speaker 1: things with bow hunting, but every one of us has 217 00:11:10,200 --> 00:11:14,120 Speaker 1: that buddy that's like gets really down really quick. You know, 218 00:11:14,160 --> 00:11:16,360 Speaker 1: he's not a he's not a then master at all. 219 00:11:16,640 --> 00:11:19,240 Speaker 1: You know, if you're if your attitude starts to tank 220 00:11:19,480 --> 00:11:22,920 Speaker 1: with running into people, you're gonna hunt like you've never 221 00:11:22,960 --> 00:11:24,960 Speaker 1: done it in your life, and it's gonna get worse. 222 00:11:25,280 --> 00:11:27,200 Speaker 1: And so you just got to learn to accept that 223 00:11:27,520 --> 00:11:30,120 Speaker 1: and move on quickly because people are going to screw 224 00:11:30,200 --> 00:11:31,920 Speaker 1: up your hunts and you know, somewhere along the line, 225 00:11:31,920 --> 00:11:33,880 Speaker 1: you're gonna bumble into some dude set up to you know, 226 00:11:33,920 --> 00:11:36,920 Speaker 1: you're gonna be that guy. So it just happens. Yeah, 227 00:11:37,240 --> 00:11:39,760 Speaker 1: I gotta believe that's probably like you said, that's that's 228 00:11:39,800 --> 00:11:42,120 Speaker 1: got to be one of the very most important things 229 00:11:42,240 --> 00:11:44,240 Speaker 1: when you're hunting this type of situation is just going 230 00:11:44,240 --> 00:11:46,600 Speaker 1: into with the right attitude and knowing that you're gonna 231 00:11:46,640 --> 00:11:48,720 Speaker 1: have to adjust and make the best of it, because, 232 00:11:48,760 --> 00:11:51,320 Speaker 1: like you said, if you you know, if your mindset 233 00:11:51,440 --> 00:11:54,120 Speaker 1: is gone, if you lose confidence and lose your focus, 234 00:11:54,480 --> 00:11:57,560 Speaker 1: you know you're your your odds success are are really 235 00:11:57,679 --> 00:12:01,240 Speaker 1: dramatically plumbing. Just based on that becomes a filling prophecy. 236 00:12:01,960 --> 00:12:04,960 Speaker 1: So once we've got our mindset in order, the next 237 00:12:05,000 --> 00:12:06,640 Speaker 1: thing we need to do in planning a public land 238 00:12:06,679 --> 00:12:09,120 Speaker 1: deer hunt is to figure out where to go. And 239 00:12:09,280 --> 00:12:11,320 Speaker 1: this really is the crux of a lot of public 240 00:12:11,360 --> 00:12:13,840 Speaker 1: land hunts because you know, finding the right area and 241 00:12:13,880 --> 00:12:16,640 Speaker 1: the right property, and then eventually even just the right 242 00:12:16,679 --> 00:12:20,559 Speaker 1: spot on that property, this can make or break your experience. 243 00:12:20,640 --> 00:12:23,679 Speaker 1: And there's a lot to cover here too. Many of 244 00:12:23,720 --> 00:12:25,800 Speaker 1: the best public land deer hunts we've talked to, they 245 00:12:25,840 --> 00:12:28,079 Speaker 1: all have kind of a specific process for how they 246 00:12:28,120 --> 00:12:30,000 Speaker 1: find these spots. So we're gonna hear from a bunch 247 00:12:30,000 --> 00:12:32,360 Speaker 1: of different guys on this topic, and you're gonna hear 248 00:12:32,360 --> 00:12:34,280 Speaker 1: a few of these ideas over and over, but I'm 249 00:12:34,280 --> 00:12:37,480 Speaker 1: specifically including all of that, because I think the repetition 250 00:12:37,600 --> 00:12:39,640 Speaker 1: from each of these experts is really going to help 251 00:12:39,760 --> 00:12:41,880 Speaker 1: drill home the message on this, So be sure to 252 00:12:41,960 --> 00:12:45,240 Speaker 1: keep your ears open for those consistencies. That said. Tyler 253 00:12:45,320 --> 00:12:47,439 Speaker 1: right now is a friend of mine from Michigan who's 254 00:12:47,440 --> 00:12:49,760 Speaker 1: probably best known from his work with Antler Geeks and 255 00:12:49,800 --> 00:12:53,240 Speaker 1: other outdoor writing and videography, and he here has some 256 00:12:53,320 --> 00:12:56,760 Speaker 1: helpful high level input on how he gets this process 257 00:12:56,760 --> 00:13:00,720 Speaker 1: started for himself. Most of what we do, a lot 258 00:13:00,720 --> 00:13:03,400 Speaker 1: of times, the only scouting we do before we show up, 259 00:13:03,440 --> 00:13:06,760 Speaker 1: it's it's all on the computer. Um. You know, there's 260 00:13:06,760 --> 00:13:10,000 Speaker 1: so many assets now, and you know with all this, 261 00:13:10,160 --> 00:13:13,440 Speaker 1: you know all the state you know, game game divisions, Um, 262 00:13:13,520 --> 00:13:16,160 Speaker 1: you know they they all have the public lands listed 263 00:13:16,160 --> 00:13:18,640 Speaker 1: on you know, on their their government website for the 264 00:13:18,679 --> 00:13:20,960 Speaker 1: most part, um, so you can get an idea right 265 00:13:20,960 --> 00:13:23,360 Speaker 1: there if kind of where they're located. Um, you know 266 00:13:23,480 --> 00:13:27,079 Speaker 1: the acreage. Um. I guess the biggest things we look 267 00:13:27,120 --> 00:13:28,960 Speaker 1: for when you're just looking for a piece of ground 268 00:13:29,600 --> 00:13:32,640 Speaker 1: initially is you know, we try to stay at least 269 00:13:32,679 --> 00:13:37,120 Speaker 1: an hour away from any you know, major city center. Um. 270 00:13:37,120 --> 00:13:39,600 Speaker 1: That's just a lot of times you end up you know, 271 00:13:39,640 --> 00:13:42,720 Speaker 1: in a little dinky town, in a sleezy hotel somewhere. 272 00:13:42,800 --> 00:13:46,320 Speaker 1: But um, you get away from the town and uh, 273 00:13:46,640 --> 00:13:50,199 Speaker 1: you know there's a lot less, a lot less people there. Um. 274 00:13:50,400 --> 00:13:53,080 Speaker 1: That's the the you know, the big thing I guess initially, um, 275 00:13:53,160 --> 00:13:54,760 Speaker 1: and then just picking them apart, you know, I mean 276 00:13:54,800 --> 00:13:57,960 Speaker 1: looking for the same types of things that you would 277 00:13:58,000 --> 00:14:02,760 Speaker 1: look for on you know, really any piece of ground, um, 278 00:14:02,960 --> 00:14:05,120 Speaker 1: pinch points that are leading in, you know, in and 279 00:14:05,160 --> 00:14:07,200 Speaker 1: out of the public stuff. It's on the borders. And 280 00:14:08,120 --> 00:14:10,360 Speaker 1: looking outside of the public land too, is that you know, 281 00:14:10,840 --> 00:14:13,000 Speaker 1: a big piece of it. You know, I can't just 282 00:14:13,120 --> 00:14:16,040 Speaker 1: look at that one chunk you know, maybe a chunk 283 00:14:16,080 --> 00:14:19,400 Speaker 1: of timber that's two thousand acres and there may not 284 00:14:19,480 --> 00:14:22,080 Speaker 1: be a single stitch a crop on it. But if 285 00:14:22,120 --> 00:14:24,360 Speaker 1: you can find where there's crops right on the border 286 00:14:24,400 --> 00:14:29,000 Speaker 1: in certain places, you know, especially early season, late season, UM, 287 00:14:29,240 --> 00:14:31,040 Speaker 1: it gives you an idea where you can you know, 288 00:14:31,080 --> 00:14:32,800 Speaker 1: you can at least get close to those deer that 289 00:14:32,800 --> 00:14:36,960 Speaker 1: are on feeding patterns. Um. You know. As far as 290 00:14:37,000 --> 00:14:42,200 Speaker 1: states go and regions of the state and stuff like that. Um, 291 00:14:42,440 --> 00:14:45,920 Speaker 1: there's always those famed counties. UM, you know, I guess 292 00:14:45,920 --> 00:14:49,040 Speaker 1: in really every big buck state, and I try to 293 00:14:49,080 --> 00:14:54,160 Speaker 1: avoid them. Um. You know, if coming from Michigan, all 294 00:14:54,200 --> 00:14:56,920 Speaker 1: of Kansas is better than it is better than home. 295 00:14:57,480 --> 00:15:01,040 Speaker 1: All of Iowa, for the most part, is better than home. Um. 296 00:15:01,320 --> 00:15:04,000 Speaker 1: You know, sure there's certain little pockets and little regions 297 00:15:04,000 --> 00:15:06,440 Speaker 1: of those states that are you know, the absolute you 298 00:15:06,440 --> 00:15:08,280 Speaker 1: know best to the best. You know what, they killed 299 00:15:08,320 --> 00:15:10,200 Speaker 1: the most booners, they kill the most. You know, there's 300 00:15:10,200 --> 00:15:14,720 Speaker 1: the most come out of that country. Whatever. Um, I'm 301 00:15:14,720 --> 00:15:19,080 Speaker 1: happy with shooting hundred and forty public ground. Um. You know, 302 00:15:19,080 --> 00:15:20,880 Speaker 1: in a lot of times that next county over that 303 00:15:21,560 --> 00:15:24,760 Speaker 1: nobody ever says anything about is just as good. Really, 304 00:15:25,280 --> 00:15:28,000 Speaker 1: So don't I guess, don't take some of that stuff 305 00:15:28,000 --> 00:15:30,920 Speaker 1: to heart too much, and don't be afraid to venture 306 00:15:30,960 --> 00:15:33,400 Speaker 1: out away from those well known areas. A little bit 307 00:15:34,160 --> 00:15:37,160 Speaker 1: moving on, here's Tony again and giving his thoughts on 308 00:15:37,200 --> 00:15:41,120 Speaker 1: the process he takes to find public land. It depends 309 00:15:41,120 --> 00:15:43,080 Speaker 1: if I'm looking for I live just north of the 310 00:15:43,120 --> 00:15:45,080 Speaker 1: Twin Cities, so if I'm looking for a place around 311 00:15:45,160 --> 00:15:47,480 Speaker 1: here to hunt, my process will be a little bit 312 00:15:47,520 --> 00:15:50,480 Speaker 1: different than. Let's just say, last night, for example, I 313 00:15:50,480 --> 00:15:52,640 Speaker 1: couldn't sleep because I kept thinking about some of these 314 00:15:52,680 --> 00:15:55,680 Speaker 1: walking areas in South Dakota. I started hunting last year 315 00:15:56,120 --> 00:15:58,560 Speaker 1: and so you know, I snuck out of the bedroom 316 00:15:58,600 --> 00:16:02,680 Speaker 1: and started looking on my at aerial photos at midnight 317 00:16:02,760 --> 00:16:05,480 Speaker 1: last night, looking up just some of the public land 318 00:16:05,520 --> 00:16:08,120 Speaker 1: there and and for me, the biggest part of the process, 319 00:16:08,200 --> 00:16:11,280 Speaker 1: especially if I'm looking for an odd of state hunt, um, 320 00:16:11,320 --> 00:16:14,320 Speaker 1: which I do a lot, is just that time on 321 00:16:14,360 --> 00:16:17,520 Speaker 1: the aerial photos. UM. I know. I know some people 322 00:16:17,600 --> 00:16:19,720 Speaker 1: like to go on the internet forums and stuff and 323 00:16:19,720 --> 00:16:22,800 Speaker 1: you know, hey, any good places in southwestern Oklahoma or 324 00:16:22,800 --> 00:16:25,600 Speaker 1: something like that, But you know that information is just 325 00:16:25,640 --> 00:16:27,680 Speaker 1: not vetted. And I'm not saying you can't get good 326 00:16:27,760 --> 00:16:31,160 Speaker 1: information that way. But for me, I pick a state 327 00:16:31,280 --> 00:16:33,840 Speaker 1: I want to hunt, and I'll just let's let's just 328 00:16:33,920 --> 00:16:37,440 Speaker 1: use like Nebraska's example. I love Nebraska. I'll say I 329 00:16:37,480 --> 00:16:39,600 Speaker 1: want to go to Nebraska and hunt the rut. The 330 00:16:39,640 --> 00:16:42,400 Speaker 1: first thing I'm gonna do is figure out where the 331 00:16:42,440 --> 00:16:44,920 Speaker 1: big cities are in Nebraska. Now, there really aren't very many. 332 00:16:44,960 --> 00:16:47,000 Speaker 1: There's only a couple and they're on the east side 333 00:16:47,000 --> 00:16:49,200 Speaker 1: of the state. So I'm gonna look for a place 334 00:16:49,200 --> 00:16:50,800 Speaker 1: in the state that has no people. I want to 335 00:16:50,800 --> 00:16:53,600 Speaker 1: get away from people because hunting pressure. Anybody that hunts 336 00:16:53,600 --> 00:16:56,120 Speaker 1: public land knows hunting pressure is just like your number 337 00:16:56,160 --> 00:16:59,240 Speaker 1: one enemy, no matter what to me, it Trump's everything 338 00:16:59,240 --> 00:17:03,000 Speaker 1: that Trump's was, or Trump's season timing anything, And so 339 00:17:03,120 --> 00:17:06,400 Speaker 1: I just want to start looking in an area where 340 00:17:06,400 --> 00:17:09,400 Speaker 1: they're just probably won't be very many people. And then 341 00:17:09,520 --> 00:17:12,199 Speaker 1: once I started identifying some public land places there, then 342 00:17:12,240 --> 00:17:14,119 Speaker 1: I get on the aerial photos and really dig in 343 00:17:14,160 --> 00:17:18,399 Speaker 1: and look and see whether those specific parcels have something 344 00:17:18,440 --> 00:17:21,040 Speaker 1: that offers a white tail hunter kind of how I 345 00:17:21,119 --> 00:17:24,600 Speaker 1: start celabrate on that last piece for us, Um, what 346 00:17:24,640 --> 00:17:26,840 Speaker 1: are you looking for when you're on the aerial What 347 00:17:26,960 --> 00:17:30,879 Speaker 1: does quality public land, terrain or property look like for 348 00:17:30,920 --> 00:17:35,680 Speaker 1: you from an aerial view? Uh? First off, the first 349 00:17:35,720 --> 00:17:38,480 Speaker 1: thing I'm gonna look at is access. If it's got 350 00:17:38,480 --> 00:17:42,960 Speaker 1: a whole bunch of you know, walking trails or logging roads, 351 00:17:43,119 --> 00:17:46,480 Speaker 1: or if it if it looks like it's really easy 352 00:17:46,600 --> 00:17:49,359 Speaker 1: to access, I'll skip it. But if I find a 353 00:17:49,400 --> 00:17:52,679 Speaker 1: place that you know, maybe has one access point or 354 00:17:52,680 --> 00:17:56,000 Speaker 1: two access points, um, that then I'll start digging in. 355 00:17:56,040 --> 00:17:59,600 Speaker 1: And then I'm looking for with white tails. One of 356 00:17:59,600 --> 00:18:01,080 Speaker 1: the first things that I always look for a lot 357 00:18:01,119 --> 00:18:03,120 Speaker 1: of people go and look for food sources. They look 358 00:18:03,160 --> 00:18:05,040 Speaker 1: for those egg fields or you know, some kind of 359 00:18:05,040 --> 00:18:08,960 Speaker 1: food source on there. But for me, I look for water. Um. 360 00:18:09,119 --> 00:18:15,440 Speaker 1: I my my absolute favorite type of of white tail 361 00:18:15,520 --> 00:18:18,520 Speaker 1: spot to hunt is something with with moving water in it. 362 00:18:18,600 --> 00:18:22,720 Speaker 1: I just love creek streams, rivers something like that. I know, 363 00:18:23,320 --> 00:18:27,280 Speaker 1: if I find moving water, I'll find probably pretty decent 364 00:18:27,320 --> 00:18:31,119 Speaker 1: white tail cover. I'll be able to find a crossing somehow, 365 00:18:31,400 --> 00:18:34,520 Speaker 1: whether I can actually see the low spots on the 366 00:18:34,600 --> 00:18:38,200 Speaker 1: river in the aerial photos. I mean this aerial photography, 367 00:18:38,240 --> 00:18:40,439 Speaker 1: the satellite photography. Now you can actually zoom in and 368 00:18:40,480 --> 00:18:43,080 Speaker 1: see rocks sticking out of the water and tell which 369 00:18:43,119 --> 00:18:46,680 Speaker 1: way the river's flowing, tell how shallow it is. Um 370 00:18:46,720 --> 00:18:48,919 Speaker 1: It's just amazing. But for me, that's what I start with. 371 00:18:48,960 --> 00:18:51,760 Speaker 1: I want I want some kind of moving water to 372 00:18:51,840 --> 00:18:55,119 Speaker 1: start with. And so you're looking at that moving water 373 00:18:55,640 --> 00:18:58,000 Speaker 1: as something that's going to be a tool sort of 374 00:18:58,040 --> 00:19:00,200 Speaker 1: for you. So you know that you can will be 375 00:19:00,200 --> 00:19:02,200 Speaker 1: able to know some things right out the gate because 376 00:19:02,200 --> 00:19:04,479 Speaker 1: of the fact that you know the deer will relate 377 00:19:04,520 --> 00:19:06,560 Speaker 1: to that moving water in some certain way or what 378 00:19:06,680 --> 00:19:09,320 Speaker 1: you mentioned cross it and I imagine maybe you use 379 00:19:09,400 --> 00:19:10,879 Speaker 1: that type of thing. For access in and out of 380 00:19:10,920 --> 00:19:15,919 Speaker 1: the property too, maybe, oh absolutely, access is huge, covers 381 00:19:15,920 --> 00:19:18,600 Speaker 1: your noise. You're usually below the banks. Uh. You know, 382 00:19:18,640 --> 00:19:21,399 Speaker 1: provided it's not too big of a river. Um, you 383 00:19:21,440 --> 00:19:23,640 Speaker 1: can wade most of them. But there are a couple 384 00:19:23,720 --> 00:19:26,879 Speaker 1: other things. If I have to cross a river to 385 00:19:27,040 --> 00:19:29,800 Speaker 1: hunt the other side for some reason, I can leave 386 00:19:30,800 --> 00:19:33,679 Speaker 1: my competition behind because they won't do it. Um. Just 387 00:19:33,960 --> 00:19:35,960 Speaker 1: it's the same thing like climbing a great big hill 388 00:19:36,080 --> 00:19:38,679 Speaker 1: or a block. I'll look for that too. But with 389 00:19:38,720 --> 00:19:41,679 Speaker 1: the rivers, especially if you get on bigger chunks of 390 00:19:41,720 --> 00:19:44,359 Speaker 1: federal land, there'll be a lot of public grazing on 391 00:19:44,400 --> 00:19:48,200 Speaker 1: their cattle grazing, and so there's only going to be 392 00:19:48,280 --> 00:19:51,359 Speaker 1: so many places with decent cover that white tails like. 393 00:19:51,480 --> 00:19:53,040 Speaker 1: Now this is this would be different if I were 394 00:19:53,040 --> 00:19:55,320 Speaker 1: looking for meal deer, antelope or something, obviously, but for 395 00:19:55,320 --> 00:19:58,679 Speaker 1: white tails, you want the best tickets cover you can find. 396 00:19:59,400 --> 00:20:01,399 Speaker 1: Most of the time. That's that's right next to the 397 00:20:01,520 --> 00:20:03,800 Speaker 1: rivers of the creeks. Um. You know, it might be 398 00:20:03,960 --> 00:20:06,720 Speaker 1: only just you know, patches of the cotton woods or something, 399 00:20:06,720 --> 00:20:09,320 Speaker 1: but it will be better than the surrounding area. And 400 00:20:09,359 --> 00:20:12,800 Speaker 1: so you know that you know that probably white tails there. 401 00:20:12,840 --> 00:20:16,159 Speaker 1: There's usually agriculture pretty close to those rivers, you know, 402 00:20:16,240 --> 00:20:20,720 Speaker 1: the watersheds. There's usually the right stuff there. And on 403 00:20:20,800 --> 00:20:23,399 Speaker 1: top of that, because rivers are low, you can use 404 00:20:23,440 --> 00:20:26,000 Speaker 1: them like use them for access, like you said, but 405 00:20:26,040 --> 00:20:28,320 Speaker 1: there's also a lot of times a lot of really 406 00:20:28,359 --> 00:20:31,360 Speaker 1: good pinch points and funnels along rivers because the bends, 407 00:20:31,440 --> 00:20:35,040 Speaker 1: and it's just it's just a great starting point most 408 00:20:35,040 --> 00:20:37,919 Speaker 1: of the time. This whole idea that Tony brings up 409 00:20:37,960 --> 00:20:40,520 Speaker 1: about using water when trying to find a good place 410 00:20:40,560 --> 00:20:42,520 Speaker 1: on public land or when trying to hunt a good 411 00:20:42,520 --> 00:20:44,919 Speaker 1: piece of public land, it makes a whole lot of sense, 412 00:20:45,000 --> 00:20:46,840 Speaker 1: and it is something that I've actually used in my 413 00:20:46,880 --> 00:20:50,359 Speaker 1: own hunts as well. For example, on my Montana public 414 00:20:50,440 --> 00:20:52,480 Speaker 1: land hunts have taken in the past the last couple 415 00:20:52,520 --> 00:20:55,800 Speaker 1: of years, I've used rivers to access hunting locations, and 416 00:20:55,920 --> 00:20:58,640 Speaker 1: this coming year on my Minnesota hunt will be using 417 00:20:58,800 --> 00:21:02,560 Speaker 1: rivers and lakes actually get too hard to reach portions 418 00:21:02,600 --> 00:21:04,680 Speaker 1: of this public land to get after some of those 419 00:21:04,680 --> 00:21:06,800 Speaker 1: deer that maybe haven't been bothered by other hunters. So 420 00:21:07,320 --> 00:21:10,119 Speaker 1: makes a lot of sense. It's a great idea. Now 421 00:21:10,160 --> 00:21:13,480 Speaker 1: moving forward, Bernie Berenger is our next guest. He's another 422 00:21:13,480 --> 00:21:15,879 Speaker 1: one of those public land specialists, and he's the author 423 00:21:15,880 --> 00:21:19,040 Speaker 1: of The Freelance bow Hunter, and he actually talks about 424 00:21:19,119 --> 00:21:22,480 Speaker 1: this process of finding quality public land. He talks about 425 00:21:22,480 --> 00:21:24,639 Speaker 1: this in his book The Freelance bow Hunter, and he 426 00:21:24,680 --> 00:21:27,159 Speaker 1: talked about it on one of our very first podcast 427 00:21:27,200 --> 00:21:30,119 Speaker 1: episodes ever. So here's what he had to say in 428 00:21:30,119 --> 00:21:34,000 Speaker 1: that early conversation. Yeah, I think that's probably the part 429 00:21:34,040 --> 00:21:36,080 Speaker 1: that people seem to like the most about the book 430 00:21:36,200 --> 00:21:39,080 Speaker 1: is the process to explain how to go through the 431 00:21:39,440 --> 00:21:41,560 Speaker 1: You know, you're starting wide, you haven't even decided what 432 00:21:41,640 --> 00:21:43,400 Speaker 1: states you're going to go through, and you're getting down 433 00:21:43,440 --> 00:21:46,440 Speaker 1: and you're you're working it down from that broad approach 434 00:21:46,480 --> 00:21:48,760 Speaker 1: all the way down to the exact tree you're going 435 00:21:48,800 --> 00:21:51,159 Speaker 1: to hang your stand into in some states somewhere in 436 00:21:51,200 --> 00:21:53,199 Speaker 1: a piece of property. Well, how do you get from 437 00:21:53,240 --> 00:21:57,080 Speaker 1: point eight to point b um? Is pretty important process. 438 00:21:57,359 --> 00:22:00,960 Speaker 1: And uh, I really think that the key to it 439 00:22:01,119 --> 00:22:03,159 Speaker 1: is being able to do the research. And when I 440 00:22:03,200 --> 00:22:06,720 Speaker 1: first started doing this, there was absolutely nothing compared to 441 00:22:06,760 --> 00:22:10,840 Speaker 1: what there is today as far as research tools. You know, um, 442 00:22:10,920 --> 00:22:13,679 Speaker 1: your website, my website, bow Hunting Road dot com has 443 00:22:13,720 --> 00:22:17,199 Speaker 1: a lot of resources. This book has sixty pages of 444 00:22:17,280 --> 00:22:20,480 Speaker 1: information about which states are the good states and what 445 00:22:20,640 --> 00:22:23,560 Speaker 1: parts of the states produced the biggest books and and 446 00:22:23,600 --> 00:22:27,399 Speaker 1: so forth. Yeah, and um, there's so much information out 447 00:22:27,440 --> 00:22:29,400 Speaker 1: so you can get on Google Earth. You know, I've 448 00:22:29,480 --> 00:22:31,960 Speaker 1: killed gear in places that I found on Google Earth. 449 00:22:32,560 --> 00:22:35,280 Speaker 1: And um, so you know, if you start wide and 450 00:22:35,320 --> 00:22:38,040 Speaker 1: you decide, okay, you know how much of the tag costs, 451 00:22:38,040 --> 00:22:40,679 Speaker 1: how how do I get a tag? Um over the 452 00:22:40,680 --> 00:22:42,720 Speaker 1: counter states? And then I go through this process and 453 00:22:42,760 --> 00:22:45,359 Speaker 1: pretty good detail in the book. And you know, if 454 00:22:45,440 --> 00:22:47,080 Speaker 1: if you want to hunt in Iowa, it's gonna take 455 00:22:47,080 --> 00:22:48,760 Speaker 1: you at least three years to draw a tag. You 456 00:22:48,840 --> 00:22:50,960 Speaker 1: have to have at least two preference points and possibly 457 00:22:51,000 --> 00:22:53,760 Speaker 1: three in some of his own So, um, you're not 458 00:22:53,800 --> 00:22:56,320 Speaker 1: just gonna go to Iowa this fall. Um you could 459 00:22:56,359 --> 00:23:01,359 Speaker 1: go to uh, Missouri or North Dakota or Kentucky or 460 00:23:01,400 --> 00:23:03,919 Speaker 1: some of these good quality states that have over the 461 00:23:03,960 --> 00:23:06,320 Speaker 1: counter tags. So you got to decide which states you're 462 00:23:06,320 --> 00:23:09,320 Speaker 1: gonna go to first, and then um, you're gonna look 463 00:23:09,359 --> 00:23:11,600 Speaker 1: at what public land is available in the state, how 464 00:23:11,680 --> 00:23:15,760 Speaker 1: much pressure it gets, and and then you know, once 465 00:23:15,760 --> 00:23:18,040 Speaker 1: you've decided whish piece of property you're going to go to. 466 00:23:18,119 --> 00:23:20,800 Speaker 1: Then then you're actually looking for the spots. And you 467 00:23:20,800 --> 00:23:23,520 Speaker 1: can do a lot of that online too, you know. 468 00:23:23,720 --> 00:23:25,560 Speaker 1: You know, like I said, with Google Earth, you can 469 00:23:25,760 --> 00:23:31,639 Speaker 1: see potential deer travel corridors. Um. Today's the forums today. 470 00:23:31,720 --> 00:23:33,280 Speaker 1: You know, you can go on there and it's amazing. 471 00:23:33,480 --> 00:23:36,040 Speaker 1: I I've put stuff on a forum and said, hey, 472 00:23:36,080 --> 00:23:37,800 Speaker 1: I'm I'm going to this part of the state. As 473 00:23:37,840 --> 00:23:39,680 Speaker 1: anybody hunt there can I can I get a piece 474 00:23:39,680 --> 00:23:42,480 Speaker 1: of advice, And I mean I had a guy actually, 475 00:23:43,320 --> 00:23:45,679 Speaker 1: um that offered to drive me around and show me 476 00:23:45,720 --> 00:23:49,120 Speaker 1: some spots and uh so, you know, the forums are 477 00:23:49,160 --> 00:23:52,639 Speaker 1: a great place to mind information. So a lot of 478 00:23:52,680 --> 00:23:55,919 Speaker 1: that can be done before you ever leave home. And 479 00:23:56,040 --> 00:23:59,200 Speaker 1: here's Eddie Claypool again with his take. I can't pay 480 00:23:59,240 --> 00:24:02,000 Speaker 1: you now if I would suggest anywhere other than just 481 00:24:02,080 --> 00:24:04,400 Speaker 1: pick a state close to you. If not, if you're 482 00:24:04,400 --> 00:24:06,880 Speaker 1: not gonna if you're looking to travel, if you're at home, 483 00:24:06,880 --> 00:24:08,560 Speaker 1: you already know what you're dealing with. But if you're 484 00:24:08,560 --> 00:24:10,800 Speaker 1: wanting to go out of state, as I have so 485 00:24:10,920 --> 00:24:13,760 Speaker 1: much over my life, just pick any of the common 486 00:24:13,800 --> 00:24:16,280 Speaker 1: sense states and have white tails. And then if you 487 00:24:16,359 --> 00:24:22,520 Speaker 1: do your homework ferret out. You know the hidden public places, 488 00:24:22,560 --> 00:24:28,840 Speaker 1: and all states have numerous low profile hidden public lands. 489 00:24:29,160 --> 00:24:33,920 Speaker 1: Um I have hunted some little patches of public and 490 00:24:34,000 --> 00:24:38,720 Speaker 1: Kansas and different states that were acres, little spots that 491 00:24:38,760 --> 00:24:41,800 Speaker 1: don't even show up on the radar and taking good 492 00:24:41,840 --> 00:24:45,440 Speaker 1: bucks off them with very little people around. Um So 493 00:24:45,640 --> 00:24:50,240 Speaker 1: you know where if we address the topical where that's 494 00:24:50,280 --> 00:24:53,440 Speaker 1: just a total personal preference because you can hunt them 495 00:24:53,480 --> 00:24:57,159 Speaker 1: in any type of habitat, from the northwest of the 496 00:24:57,280 --> 00:24:59,760 Speaker 1: United States to the east, to the south to the 497 00:24:59,800 --> 00:25:03,800 Speaker 1: north work just um I just leave that deep individual 498 00:25:03,840 --> 00:25:06,040 Speaker 1: will make his own decisions on where he wants to 499 00:25:06,080 --> 00:25:09,399 Speaker 1: go because other than going to Iowa or some of 500 00:25:09,400 --> 00:25:13,560 Speaker 1: these premium spots, and you know whether outfitting and everything 501 00:25:13,680 --> 00:25:16,120 Speaker 1: is so prevalent where they grow the big deer other 502 00:25:16,200 --> 00:25:20,480 Speaker 1: than those which go without saying and going on a 503 00:25:20,520 --> 00:25:24,600 Speaker 1: guided hunt. If you've averaged, Joe, just whatever tickles your 504 00:25:24,640 --> 00:25:28,480 Speaker 1: fancy is my description of where to go. And then 505 00:25:28,600 --> 00:25:32,119 Speaker 1: once Eddie picks the state, here's what it is next. Well, 506 00:25:32,160 --> 00:25:34,960 Speaker 1: I'll tell you there's almost an endless amount of having 507 00:25:34,960 --> 00:25:38,280 Speaker 1: theres a guy can pursue on that game, and fish 508 00:25:38,359 --> 00:25:40,440 Speaker 1: is a starting place, you know, to see what they 509 00:25:40,480 --> 00:25:43,040 Speaker 1: have shown on their hunting ratlasses and on their walk 510 00:25:43,119 --> 00:25:46,840 Speaker 1: in programs. And you know, ever state has numerous countless 511 00:25:46,920 --> 00:25:50,000 Speaker 1: names for the different types of land they have accessible. 512 00:25:50,080 --> 00:25:52,000 Speaker 1: Some of it will be public, some of it will 513 00:25:52,040 --> 00:25:55,440 Speaker 1: be private. You know, they have you know, access yes, 514 00:25:55,600 --> 00:25:58,560 Speaker 1: programs and whatever you want to call them for pub 515 00:25:58,840 --> 00:26:01,280 Speaker 1: private land hunting. So you've got to dig through the 516 00:26:01,320 --> 00:26:03,400 Speaker 1: game and fish and dig deep. I mean, you've got 517 00:26:03,400 --> 00:26:06,240 Speaker 1: to go through each link and to the next link 518 00:26:06,359 --> 00:26:09,560 Speaker 1: and look and you'll find what you can find. Then. 519 00:26:10,840 --> 00:26:12,600 Speaker 1: You know, a lot of times, a lot of the 520 00:26:12,640 --> 00:26:15,359 Speaker 1: ones I've found that are off some map are little 521 00:26:15,359 --> 00:26:20,119 Speaker 1: low pockets that are you know, uh, county park type 522 00:26:20,200 --> 00:26:26,320 Speaker 1: things or around impoundments. There will be little public areas 523 00:26:26,359 --> 00:26:28,880 Speaker 1: that don't show up on game and fish radar. There 524 00:26:28,880 --> 00:26:31,960 Speaker 1: are more of a local level thing. Uh, You've got 525 00:26:32,080 --> 00:26:36,000 Speaker 1: to dig deep. You know. Sometimes I haven't found my 526 00:26:36,160 --> 00:26:38,560 Speaker 1: gems until I actually got into an area and I 527 00:26:38,600 --> 00:26:40,959 Speaker 1: actually started physically hunting it. I didn't even know they 528 00:26:40,960 --> 00:26:45,159 Speaker 1: were their pre pre trip um. You know, it's a 529 00:26:45,200 --> 00:26:47,280 Speaker 1: lot to be said for being local. We know how 530 00:26:47,280 --> 00:26:50,320 Speaker 1: the locals all over the grounds like the back of 531 00:26:50,359 --> 00:26:52,400 Speaker 1: their hand. But you know, if you pick a good 532 00:26:52,400 --> 00:26:54,720 Speaker 1: area and go there and become semi vocal to it 533 00:26:54,800 --> 00:26:56,959 Speaker 1: over a period of time, you're you're gonna find some 534 00:26:57,040 --> 00:27:00,159 Speaker 1: hidden gems that will be there. So there's all is 535 00:27:00,240 --> 00:27:04,000 Speaker 1: that unforeseen blessing that you'll get from picking in an 536 00:27:04,000 --> 00:27:07,720 Speaker 1: area and going there for a year. Um, and I'm 537 00:27:07,800 --> 00:27:12,199 Speaker 1: the world's worst about you know, spending maybe three trips 538 00:27:12,200 --> 00:27:14,040 Speaker 1: in a year ago to the spot. I'll use it 539 00:27:14,080 --> 00:27:17,720 Speaker 1: going the debt of winner. Uh, take a long weekend 540 00:27:18,320 --> 00:27:20,479 Speaker 1: and take two or three to four days and travel 541 00:27:20,520 --> 00:27:22,680 Speaker 1: to a spot and camp in it in the winter 542 00:27:22,880 --> 00:27:26,399 Speaker 1: and learn it and scout it. Do my reconnaissance. Uh. 543 00:27:27,080 --> 00:27:29,200 Speaker 1: It's invaluable if you've already got a piece of dirt 544 00:27:29,280 --> 00:27:30,760 Speaker 1: to hunt on, to go and look at it in 545 00:27:30,800 --> 00:27:33,439 Speaker 1: the debt of winter. For the scouting, you know, is 546 00:27:33,480 --> 00:27:35,840 Speaker 1: so great that time of year. All the rutt sign 547 00:27:36,119 --> 00:27:38,080 Speaker 1: is there, the people who are gone, and you can 548 00:27:38,119 --> 00:27:40,960 Speaker 1: really do some power scouting in the winter. But you 549 00:27:41,080 --> 00:27:44,720 Speaker 1: also just get familiar with the people of the country 550 00:27:45,119 --> 00:27:47,399 Speaker 1: and you'll start picking up these little hidden gems. It 551 00:27:47,440 --> 00:27:50,280 Speaker 1: will be there. You know, people talk and all this 552 00:27:50,359 --> 00:27:53,840 Speaker 1: stuff is you know, the localist guard. It pretty carefully usually, 553 00:27:54,000 --> 00:27:56,840 Speaker 1: and unless you're there and giving yourself a chance to 554 00:27:57,000 --> 00:27:59,640 Speaker 1: you know, to be in the frying pan, you may 555 00:27:59,640 --> 00:28:01,720 Speaker 1: not build of research at ahead of time. There are 556 00:28:02,000 --> 00:28:04,439 Speaker 1: plenty of places to research, and you know, you might 557 00:28:04,520 --> 00:28:08,119 Speaker 1: need to pick a larger, more higher profile area from 558 00:28:08,160 --> 00:28:11,720 Speaker 1: you know, off the Internet or game and Fish or 559 00:28:11,840 --> 00:28:15,800 Speaker 1: local websites and go and start it, and then you 560 00:28:15,840 --> 00:28:18,720 Speaker 1: can get into finding these other little spots of your own. 561 00:28:19,320 --> 00:28:21,600 Speaker 1: To follow that up. We're gonna hear from Todd Meat, 562 00:28:21,800 --> 00:28:24,320 Speaker 1: a public land hunter from New York who's also the 563 00:28:24,359 --> 00:28:27,960 Speaker 1: author of several books, and he shared his process as well. 564 00:28:28,960 --> 00:28:32,479 Speaker 1: I do a lot of research, um. And another thing 565 00:28:32,640 --> 00:28:34,960 Speaker 1: is I have a pretty big network of people across 566 00:28:35,000 --> 00:28:38,320 Speaker 1: the country. Um. You know, I shot competitive archery for 567 00:28:39,480 --> 00:28:42,080 Speaker 1: thirty years and I've met a lot of people across 568 00:28:42,120 --> 00:28:46,600 Speaker 1: the country. So that usually gives me a relatively safe 569 00:28:46,640 --> 00:28:49,240 Speaker 1: area to start. Like if I know somebody that lives say, 570 00:28:49,240 --> 00:28:52,400 Speaker 1: I know somebody lives in Michigan or whatever, and I say, well, 571 00:28:52,400 --> 00:28:54,200 Speaker 1: how's the hunting near you? And then we talked a 572 00:28:54,240 --> 00:28:56,280 Speaker 1: little bit and I'm like, well, if I was coming 573 00:28:56,280 --> 00:28:58,520 Speaker 1: out there hunting, where do you think a good area 574 00:28:58,760 --> 00:29:00,600 Speaker 1: of the state would be to go and you know, 575 00:29:00,600 --> 00:29:02,920 Speaker 1: they give me their opinion. Then I'll go online, I'll 576 00:29:02,920 --> 00:29:06,080 Speaker 1: look at it, and uh I'll start looking around a 577 00:29:06,120 --> 00:29:09,160 Speaker 1: little bit, and then I'll I'll search different hunting forums 578 00:29:09,200 --> 00:29:13,280 Speaker 1: to see if anybody talks about those places in uh. 579 00:29:13,480 --> 00:29:17,080 Speaker 1: I guess you'd call me a stalker. I don't. I 580 00:29:17,080 --> 00:29:20,760 Speaker 1: don't say anything. I just read all this stuff, okay. 581 00:29:20,840 --> 00:29:22,880 Speaker 1: And then if I say, I go like online on 582 00:29:22,960 --> 00:29:26,200 Speaker 1: a forum and I find somebody I'm looking at it 583 00:29:26,240 --> 00:29:29,520 Speaker 1: and I'm like, oh, like, actually, I've hunted Colorado the 584 00:29:29,560 --> 00:29:33,600 Speaker 1: same same place for years in elk hunting, and uh 585 00:29:33,880 --> 00:29:36,440 Speaker 1: so then this year I was looking at a different area. 586 00:29:36,480 --> 00:29:38,239 Speaker 1: I just wanted to explore a little bit, and I'm like, 587 00:29:38,440 --> 00:29:40,520 Speaker 1: holy kyl, there was a guy that's signed on right 588 00:29:40,520 --> 00:29:43,280 Speaker 1: there in his hometown is the same exact place I'm going. 589 00:29:44,080 --> 00:29:47,960 Speaker 1: So I just sent the guy, you know, I said, hey, 590 00:29:48,520 --> 00:29:52,760 Speaker 1: you know i've hunted out there since and I'm coming out. 591 00:29:52,800 --> 00:29:55,000 Speaker 1: Do you know anything about this area? I mean, it's 592 00:29:55,040 --> 00:29:58,760 Speaker 1: just a generic random, you know, question or whatever. And 593 00:29:58,840 --> 00:30:02,880 Speaker 1: you'd be amazed at how people help you. And as 594 00:30:02,880 --> 00:30:06,000 Speaker 1: long as I'm not infringing on him, like he's gonna 595 00:30:06,000 --> 00:30:08,640 Speaker 1: give me information, and uh like, I get a lot 596 00:30:08,680 --> 00:30:14,240 Speaker 1: of information that way, and Okay, for every ten times 597 00:30:14,240 --> 00:30:17,200 Speaker 1: you do it, you're probably gonna strike out eight times, 598 00:30:17,720 --> 00:30:19,720 Speaker 1: but then you might just hit that one person that 599 00:30:19,760 --> 00:30:24,480 Speaker 1: could really help you. And then I'll also go through 600 00:30:24,600 --> 00:30:28,440 Speaker 1: like every almost every state has on their website they 601 00:30:28,440 --> 00:30:32,840 Speaker 1: have conservation areas. Um I click on almost every single 602 00:30:32,920 --> 00:30:36,400 Speaker 1: conservation area and I study everyone and I write down 603 00:30:36,680 --> 00:30:40,560 Speaker 1: what it has that I like, and then if I 604 00:30:40,600 --> 00:30:43,080 Speaker 1: find enough the stuff that I like in it that 605 00:30:43,240 --> 00:30:45,160 Speaker 1: I I set it aside. I'm like, okay, this one 606 00:30:45,200 --> 00:30:48,000 Speaker 1: has to get looked at further. So then I'll go 607 00:30:48,040 --> 00:30:50,080 Speaker 1: down and then I'll come up with say thirty or 608 00:30:50,120 --> 00:30:52,240 Speaker 1: forty of them, and then I'll just keep on narrowing 609 00:30:52,240 --> 00:30:55,360 Speaker 1: it down until I find the place I want. So 610 00:30:55,440 --> 00:30:58,720 Speaker 1: then when I decide where I'm gonna go, I have 611 00:30:58,920 --> 00:31:01,360 Speaker 1: my place I'm going, but I have no idea how 612 00:31:01,360 --> 00:31:04,160 Speaker 1: many people are gonna be there, So I'm like crossing 613 00:31:04,160 --> 00:31:06,760 Speaker 1: my finger, it's not gonna be overwhelmed with people. So 614 00:31:06,800 --> 00:31:09,000 Speaker 1: when I get there, I have a plan. I'm gonna 615 00:31:09,240 --> 00:31:11,680 Speaker 1: I'm gonna look at this place, that place, in that place. 616 00:31:11,760 --> 00:31:14,120 Speaker 1: And I'm usually with my father and neither one or 617 00:31:14,160 --> 00:31:16,120 Speaker 1: two of my friends. So there's like four of us 618 00:31:16,160 --> 00:31:20,000 Speaker 1: that travel together. So each of us bites a chunk 619 00:31:20,040 --> 00:31:22,480 Speaker 1: off and we all go in our own directions, and 620 00:31:22,480 --> 00:31:25,120 Speaker 1: then we come back and we decide it's worth hunting 621 00:31:25,200 --> 00:31:28,560 Speaker 1: or it's not worth hunting, And if it's a maybe, 622 00:31:29,040 --> 00:31:31,800 Speaker 1: then we'll we'll give it another you know, a couple 623 00:31:31,840 --> 00:31:34,760 Speaker 1: more days or whatever. But if it's a no, then 624 00:31:34,760 --> 00:31:36,720 Speaker 1: I go to my next place on there, even if 625 00:31:36,720 --> 00:31:38,760 Speaker 1: it's a three hour drive away. Okay, we're going to 626 00:31:38,800 --> 00:31:41,640 Speaker 1: the next place, and I won't waste time in some 627 00:31:41,760 --> 00:31:44,360 Speaker 1: place once I get there that it it doesn't show 628 00:31:45,160 --> 00:31:48,640 Speaker 1: what I wanted to show. And so I don't get 629 00:31:48,680 --> 00:31:52,120 Speaker 1: sucked into some place that I shouldn't be. And uh, 630 00:31:52,200 --> 00:31:54,120 Speaker 1: I think that's a secret. You just you have to 631 00:31:54,160 --> 00:31:57,240 Speaker 1: be willing to move, and you have to be willing 632 00:31:57,280 --> 00:31:59,680 Speaker 1: to blow a week or two of your vacation. If 633 00:31:59,720 --> 00:32:02,880 Speaker 1: I come home with nothing, I don't care because I 634 00:32:03,000 --> 00:32:06,360 Speaker 1: come home with nothing before. And if I come home 635 00:32:06,360 --> 00:32:09,840 Speaker 1: with nothing, then it's it's a bad trip if I 636 00:32:09,840 --> 00:32:12,640 Speaker 1: didn't learn anything. But if I learned something that I'm 637 00:32:12,720 --> 00:32:15,560 Speaker 1: probably going to capitalize on that. And then in the 638 00:32:15,600 --> 00:32:18,400 Speaker 1: next trip, so I want to I want to take 639 00:32:18,440 --> 00:32:20,480 Speaker 1: a jump back to something, and then I want to 640 00:32:20,480 --> 00:32:22,000 Speaker 1: talk a little bit more about those first couple of 641 00:32:22,040 --> 00:32:24,719 Speaker 1: days of your hunt. But first you said that you're 642 00:32:24,760 --> 00:32:26,600 Speaker 1: looking at all these pieces of public lan like you know, 643 00:32:26,640 --> 00:32:29,040 Speaker 1: you find it on the state website and sounds like 644 00:32:29,040 --> 00:32:31,600 Speaker 1: you're looking at maps and stuff. And you mentioned that 645 00:32:31,640 --> 00:32:34,360 Speaker 1: you're looking for certain good things in these properties, and 646 00:32:34,360 --> 00:32:36,520 Speaker 1: if the property has enough of the good things, then 647 00:32:36,560 --> 00:32:38,680 Speaker 1: you're gonna focus on that. What are the things you're 648 00:32:38,680 --> 00:32:40,360 Speaker 1: looking for? What are those good things that you're trying 649 00:32:40,360 --> 00:32:42,120 Speaker 1: to key in on to tell you that this property 650 00:32:42,160 --> 00:32:44,760 Speaker 1: could have potential. One thing that I look for is 651 00:32:44,800 --> 00:32:48,160 Speaker 1: I'm from the Adirondex, So I'm looking for pieces of 652 00:32:48,280 --> 00:32:51,200 Speaker 1: land to have a lot of timber on it, which 653 00:32:51,400 --> 00:32:54,040 Speaker 1: you know, of course sometimes that's hard to find in 654 00:32:54,120 --> 00:32:57,719 Speaker 1: the Midwest. Uh. Number one, I know if I find timber, 655 00:32:58,080 --> 00:32:59,680 Speaker 1: it's going to keep a lot of people out of it, 656 00:32:59,720 --> 00:33:03,600 Speaker 1: because people are afraid of the woods, uh, no matter 657 00:33:03,640 --> 00:33:06,920 Speaker 1: how big they are. So if I can find acreage 658 00:33:07,040 --> 00:33:10,960 Speaker 1: that's you know, anything above like a thousand acres of 659 00:33:11,040 --> 00:33:14,960 Speaker 1: wooded area, then I'll definitely circle that, Like this is 660 00:33:15,000 --> 00:33:17,480 Speaker 1: a place I need to go because a thousand acres 661 00:33:17,480 --> 00:33:19,640 Speaker 1: it might not seem much. But if you're in a 662 00:33:19,680 --> 00:33:22,400 Speaker 1: thousand acres of woods and you've never really hunted woods, 663 00:33:22,400 --> 00:33:25,160 Speaker 1: you've hunted field edges, stuff like that, it can be 664 00:33:25,200 --> 00:33:29,440 Speaker 1: really intimidating for the average guy. So I look for that, 665 00:33:29,880 --> 00:33:34,320 Speaker 1: and I look for places I can access only by boat. 666 00:33:35,440 --> 00:33:37,520 Speaker 1: So if I can only get there with a boat, 667 00:33:38,280 --> 00:33:41,600 Speaker 1: then I'm almost sure it's going to be good. So 668 00:33:42,680 --> 00:33:44,400 Speaker 1: you know, I I do that, whether it's a river, 669 00:33:44,600 --> 00:33:48,920 Speaker 1: a lake, a stream like whatever it is, So those 670 00:33:48,960 --> 00:33:51,560 Speaker 1: two things out of the way. UM. I also look 671 00:33:51,760 --> 00:33:57,280 Speaker 1: for areas that either are closed to hunting. UM. It 672 00:33:57,360 --> 00:33:59,880 Speaker 1: might be a place around there that has there's no 673 00:34:00,080 --> 00:34:03,960 Speaker 1: hunting allowed. It might be owned by like a government agency. 674 00:34:04,520 --> 00:34:08,120 Speaker 1: UM might be owned by say like a church group 675 00:34:08,800 --> 00:34:11,000 Speaker 1: and they own a big piece of land and there's 676 00:34:11,000 --> 00:34:14,239 Speaker 1: no hunting allowed on it. Because then I know there's 677 00:34:14,280 --> 00:34:16,040 Speaker 1: no hunting allowed on it, so it works as a 678 00:34:16,120 --> 00:34:19,160 Speaker 1: sanctuary for deer on the public land, and that's where 679 00:34:19,160 --> 00:34:23,320 Speaker 1: they're gonna go. Yeah. Um, I look at plat maps 680 00:34:23,360 --> 00:34:26,359 Speaker 1: to see who owns the land around it, and then 681 00:34:26,400 --> 00:34:29,520 Speaker 1: I'll research that online. I'll be that silent stalker again 682 00:34:30,520 --> 00:34:34,560 Speaker 1: in some places. I one place that I found was 683 00:34:34,640 --> 00:34:37,640 Speaker 1: really good because I knew that this person hunted on 684 00:34:37,719 --> 00:34:42,080 Speaker 1: their own land and they were a presence in social media, 685 00:34:42,600 --> 00:34:46,040 Speaker 1: and I'm like, I just found your land and uh, 686 00:34:46,080 --> 00:34:49,680 Speaker 1: and it bordered public land, and and I had read 687 00:34:49,680 --> 00:34:52,279 Speaker 1: where they had killed like a hundred ninety engineer on it. 688 00:34:52,360 --> 00:34:54,719 Speaker 1: I'm like, there's no way that deer wasn't living on 689 00:34:54,800 --> 00:34:59,279 Speaker 1: that public land. So I mean, you have to It 690 00:34:59,600 --> 00:35:01,600 Speaker 1: goes to the whole thing about you have to be 691 00:35:01,640 --> 00:35:05,560 Speaker 1: a little more motivated than everybody else. And that's kind 692 00:35:05,600 --> 00:35:09,920 Speaker 1: of what has led to me being successful, I think. Alright, 693 00:35:09,960 --> 00:35:12,320 Speaker 1: so we've heard a lot now about how to find 694 00:35:12,440 --> 00:35:16,360 Speaker 1: quality public hunting locations, and our next guest, Aaron Warwarden 695 00:35:16,480 --> 00:35:18,720 Speaker 1: of the Hunting Public, He's going to help us shift 696 00:35:18,760 --> 00:35:21,400 Speaker 1: from that topic towards the next one, which is not 697 00:35:21,480 --> 00:35:23,719 Speaker 1: only how do you pick a good property, but then 698 00:35:23,760 --> 00:35:25,600 Speaker 1: that next step, which is how do you begin the 699 00:35:25,680 --> 00:35:29,160 Speaker 1: scouting process? How do you do additional research to learn 700 00:35:29,200 --> 00:35:32,200 Speaker 1: everything you need to know about that area? And Aaron 701 00:35:32,280 --> 00:35:34,799 Speaker 1: and his hunting partners, they spend a tremendous amount of 702 00:35:34,800 --> 00:35:38,000 Speaker 1: time on this thing, scouting the properties. They hunt and 703 00:35:38,000 --> 00:35:40,640 Speaker 1: in particular, they are looking for buck betting areas in 704 00:35:40,680 --> 00:35:42,520 Speaker 1: many cases. And if you want to hear more about 705 00:35:42,560 --> 00:35:45,560 Speaker 1: that aspect of Aaron scouting, you should definitely check out 706 00:35:45,600 --> 00:35:48,839 Speaker 1: the full episode we did with him, which is episode one. 707 00:35:48,920 --> 00:35:52,239 Speaker 1: But here's a brief intro to his scouting process and 708 00:35:52,280 --> 00:35:54,920 Speaker 1: how he begins narrowing things down on a piece of ground. 709 00:35:56,440 --> 00:35:59,200 Speaker 1: So the first thing you do is lay out the 710 00:35:59,200 --> 00:36:02,600 Speaker 1: public map the area, and then you start becausing out 711 00:36:02,600 --> 00:36:06,560 Speaker 1: where all the access points are. Um, start looking at 712 00:36:06,600 --> 00:36:11,200 Speaker 1: where the pressure is. So you're looking for boot tracks, 713 00:36:11,280 --> 00:36:14,600 Speaker 1: you're walking those access trails, You're you're looking for you know, 714 00:36:14,719 --> 00:36:20,279 Speaker 1: tape in in the tree, marking, um acts. Anything that's 715 00:36:20,320 --> 00:36:23,720 Speaker 1: gonna mean mean hunters is what you want to stay 716 00:36:23,719 --> 00:36:28,120 Speaker 1: away from for the most part. UM. So you you're 717 00:36:28,160 --> 00:36:30,520 Speaker 1: taking that map and you're crossing off a lot of it, 718 00:36:31,520 --> 00:36:37,480 Speaker 1: but you can't um kind I put this. You've you've 719 00:36:37,520 --> 00:36:39,880 Speaker 1: got to keep an open mind when it comes to 720 00:36:39,960 --> 00:36:42,920 Speaker 1: every inch of that public piece. So if it's a 721 00:36:42,920 --> 00:36:45,080 Speaker 1: couple of thousand acres in size and you cross off 722 00:36:45,120 --> 00:36:48,480 Speaker 1: a lot of the access points and the area is 723 00:36:48,520 --> 00:36:53,680 Speaker 1: most likely to harbord hunters, then you still end up 724 00:36:53,680 --> 00:36:57,279 Speaker 1: with quite a bit of land that may be untouched 725 00:36:57,800 --> 00:37:00,719 Speaker 1: in a mature buck. The interesting thing with the them 726 00:37:00,960 --> 00:37:04,400 Speaker 1: is they will go wherever they don't ever encounter humans. 727 00:37:04,480 --> 00:37:07,440 Speaker 1: I mean sometimes you'd be surprised. It may only be 728 00:37:07,560 --> 00:37:10,359 Speaker 1: thirty yards off of gravel Road because nobody goes there, 729 00:37:10,640 --> 00:37:13,319 Speaker 1: and they have that wind advantage on a specific day 730 00:37:13,400 --> 00:37:17,319 Speaker 1: or whatever, like, they may well bed there and and 731 00:37:17,360 --> 00:37:21,440 Speaker 1: spend a lot of time right there. So and that's 732 00:37:21,840 --> 00:37:24,080 Speaker 1: really that's kind of how the buck nest is that 733 00:37:24,160 --> 00:37:27,160 Speaker 1: area gets haunted. A lot of people think when they 734 00:37:27,160 --> 00:37:29,920 Speaker 1: watch the buck nest video that that area doesn't get 735 00:37:29,920 --> 00:37:32,200 Speaker 1: a ton of hunting pressure, but it's actually the opposite. 736 00:37:32,239 --> 00:37:35,680 Speaker 1: If you watch the second video in that video Blox series, 737 00:37:35,680 --> 00:37:40,279 Speaker 1: you'll see hunters walk runderneath stand um that night when 738 00:37:40,280 --> 00:37:44,920 Speaker 1: they're headed out. But uh, there's tons of hunting pressure 739 00:37:44,960 --> 00:37:47,600 Speaker 1: on that piece. It's just one little small out of 740 00:37:47,600 --> 00:37:50,960 Speaker 1: the way area that those bucks bed in, and there's 741 00:37:51,040 --> 00:37:53,880 Speaker 1: a couple other ones like that on that public area 742 00:37:53,920 --> 00:37:57,400 Speaker 1: as well. So the I guess the point there is 743 00:37:57,480 --> 00:38:02,440 Speaker 1: is don't overlook. Don't overlook anything. Really, was there anything 744 00:38:02,719 --> 00:38:05,000 Speaker 1: that you saw when you're looking at this property? Like 745 00:38:05,080 --> 00:38:07,040 Speaker 1: before you set foot on it, Like when you looked 746 00:38:07,040 --> 00:38:09,560 Speaker 1: at on a map and we're looking for these pieces 747 00:38:09,560 --> 00:38:12,279 Speaker 1: of public land, and when you saw this, did you say, well, okay, 748 00:38:12,280 --> 00:38:14,120 Speaker 1: it's a couple thousand acres, is definitely worth taking a 749 00:38:14,120 --> 00:38:16,520 Speaker 1: look at? Or was there something else's that that made 750 00:38:16,520 --> 00:38:18,879 Speaker 1: you say, yeah, this is a good one. What I'm 751 00:38:18,920 --> 00:38:21,600 Speaker 1: I guess the larger question I'm getting at is is 752 00:38:21,600 --> 00:38:25,160 Speaker 1: there anything I can look at digitally beforehand to say yes, 753 00:38:25,200 --> 00:38:27,800 Speaker 1: this has potential or no, this is not worth spending 754 00:38:27,840 --> 00:38:31,200 Speaker 1: time on. Yeah, I should get more specificate than that. 755 00:38:31,320 --> 00:38:34,560 Speaker 1: Like you've mentioned, Um, if you if you take that 756 00:38:34,640 --> 00:38:38,239 Speaker 1: piece and you and you look for the edges of it, 757 00:38:38,440 --> 00:38:40,520 Speaker 1: you look for the areas that are hard to access. 758 00:38:40,560 --> 00:38:43,719 Speaker 1: Then you look for the overlooked spots. You you kind 759 00:38:43,760 --> 00:38:46,520 Speaker 1: of measure up each area to the next one. So 760 00:38:46,920 --> 00:38:51,600 Speaker 1: the spots that we avoid are those chunks that are 761 00:38:51,600 --> 00:38:55,000 Speaker 1: accessible from all sides. We don't and we don't I 762 00:38:55,000 --> 00:38:58,080 Speaker 1: wouldn't say we necessarily avoid, and we just don't prioritize 763 00:38:58,120 --> 00:39:00,600 Speaker 1: them as high as some of the other areas. You know, 764 00:39:00,640 --> 00:39:03,000 Speaker 1: if there's an area where you can only access from 765 00:39:03,080 --> 00:39:05,680 Speaker 1: one side of it, it's a huge block. You know 766 00:39:05,760 --> 00:39:07,840 Speaker 1: it's gonna take some serious leg work to get to 767 00:39:07,880 --> 00:39:10,919 Speaker 1: the back of it. Then then those are the ones 768 00:39:10,960 --> 00:39:13,600 Speaker 1: that we're spending the most time on. You know, those 769 00:39:13,640 --> 00:39:16,240 Speaker 1: back corners. A lot of times up the boundary lines 770 00:39:16,280 --> 00:39:20,360 Speaker 1: are are good. The ones that required you to to 771 00:39:21,040 --> 00:39:23,320 Speaker 1: you know, cross the creek or whatever. We're always looking 772 00:39:23,360 --> 00:39:27,560 Speaker 1: for access barriers, you know, are areas that are harder 773 00:39:27,560 --> 00:39:32,160 Speaker 1: to get into. But with that said, a lot of 774 00:39:32,200 --> 00:39:36,160 Speaker 1: times those than anymore. It seems like people are are 775 00:39:36,239 --> 00:39:39,800 Speaker 1: getting braver and they're going back there that far. Well, 776 00:39:39,880 --> 00:39:42,200 Speaker 1: they may walk right past the spot right next to 777 00:39:42,200 --> 00:39:44,759 Speaker 1: the parking lot that's pretty dead gum good, and we 778 00:39:44,840 --> 00:39:47,920 Speaker 1: do we do see that. So I think sometimes people 779 00:39:47,960 --> 00:39:50,759 Speaker 1: try to think too big whenever they look at those 780 00:39:50,800 --> 00:39:53,440 Speaker 1: big public areas and they look for they try to 781 00:39:53,440 --> 00:39:55,960 Speaker 1: find the biggest public area possible and then look for 782 00:39:56,000 --> 00:39:58,759 Speaker 1: the farthest back corner of that big area. And we 783 00:39:58,840 --> 00:40:02,440 Speaker 1: do the same. But don't overlook these little thirty and 784 00:40:02,480 --> 00:40:07,239 Speaker 1: forty acre chunks that have one access point where you 785 00:40:07,239 --> 00:40:09,600 Speaker 1: can monitor hunting pressure. If you drive by that thing 786 00:40:09,600 --> 00:40:11,120 Speaker 1: a couple of nights a week and you don't see 787 00:40:11,120 --> 00:40:13,960 Speaker 1: a truck park there at that access point, there's probably 788 00:40:14,000 --> 00:40:16,600 Speaker 1: a couple of good buck betting areas on that piece. 789 00:40:17,800 --> 00:40:20,880 Speaker 1: And and the one advantage those little those little areas 790 00:40:20,960 --> 00:40:23,279 Speaker 1: like that is that they a lot of times they 791 00:40:23,280 --> 00:40:25,560 Speaker 1: have private land around it may not get hunted. It's hard, 792 00:40:26,440 --> 00:40:30,520 Speaker 1: so it doesn't take much. Um. Obviously, it doesn't take 793 00:40:30,600 --> 00:40:33,200 Speaker 1: much hunting pressure on those little areas to push them off, 794 00:40:33,719 --> 00:40:36,200 Speaker 1: but it also doesn't take much of an absence in 795 00:40:36,320 --> 00:40:39,839 Speaker 1: hunting pressure to bring him back on. Does that make sense? Yeah? Absolutely. 796 00:40:40,600 --> 00:40:42,440 Speaker 1: Throwing it back now to Tony, He's going to go 797 00:40:42,480 --> 00:40:46,560 Speaker 1: into more specifics on how he scouts a spot. Um, 798 00:40:46,840 --> 00:40:50,360 Speaker 1: if I'm close to home, it looks like I'm walking 799 00:40:51,000 --> 00:40:53,560 Speaker 1: every inch I can, because that's what I try to do. 800 00:40:54,080 --> 00:40:57,000 Speaker 1: And you know, I'm looking for the typical winter scouting stuff, 801 00:40:57,040 --> 00:40:59,600 Speaker 1: of course, you know, the old scrapes and rubs, rubs 802 00:40:59,680 --> 00:41:03,520 Speaker 1: most I really like rubs, um, But most of the 803 00:41:03,640 --> 00:41:07,520 Speaker 1: time I'm halfway looking for hunter sign. If I go 804 00:41:07,560 --> 00:41:09,880 Speaker 1: into a property and I see, you know, the trees 805 00:41:09,880 --> 00:41:12,520 Speaker 1: are trimmed up or their stands left there, there's litter 806 00:41:12,600 --> 00:41:14,800 Speaker 1: all over or something, and I just can't get away 807 00:41:14,840 --> 00:41:17,879 Speaker 1: from the the obvious sign of hunters, I'm probably gonna 808 00:41:17,880 --> 00:41:20,839 Speaker 1: write that off and look for somewhere else. Um when 809 00:41:20,880 --> 00:41:25,319 Speaker 1: I travel out of state. I'm starting to do this 810 00:41:25,400 --> 00:41:28,160 Speaker 1: more where I'll go on a turkey hunt somewhere and 811 00:41:28,400 --> 00:41:30,880 Speaker 1: scout out new properties while i'm turkey hunting. In fact, 812 00:41:31,120 --> 00:41:33,200 Speaker 1: you know, in on April one, I'm heading out to 813 00:41:33,239 --> 00:41:36,680 Speaker 1: South Dakota to turkey hunt some walk in areas that 814 00:41:36,680 --> 00:41:38,399 Speaker 1: I hunted last fall, and I just want to check 815 00:41:38,400 --> 00:41:40,719 Speaker 1: out some more ground. And now a little later, I'm 816 00:41:40,760 --> 00:41:43,640 Speaker 1: going down to Missouri, northern Missouri to hunt public land 817 00:41:43,640 --> 00:41:46,120 Speaker 1: for turkeys, and I'm gonna scout that out for deer too, 818 00:41:46,120 --> 00:41:48,360 Speaker 1: And that's a good way to get familiar with the 819 00:41:48,360 --> 00:41:52,160 Speaker 1: area without having the pressure of killing a big buck. Um. 820 00:41:52,200 --> 00:41:54,239 Speaker 1: But if you can't do that, that's one of the 821 00:41:54,239 --> 00:41:56,920 Speaker 1: most important things about this process. If you if you know, 822 00:41:56,920 --> 00:41:58,880 Speaker 1: if you're gonna make a go at it and decide 823 00:41:58,880 --> 00:42:00,840 Speaker 1: you're gonna hunt public and especially if you want to 824 00:42:00,880 --> 00:42:02,720 Speaker 1: do one of these out of state trips with your bodies, 825 00:42:03,400 --> 00:42:06,520 Speaker 1: if you have any way to build in a day 826 00:42:06,640 --> 00:42:10,680 Speaker 1: or two or three to scout, just glass, just walk 827 00:42:10,760 --> 00:42:14,240 Speaker 1: and figure out if you're your pre hunt research was correct. 828 00:42:14,600 --> 00:42:18,160 Speaker 1: That is so valuable compared to showing up and having 829 00:42:18,200 --> 00:42:20,799 Speaker 1: to hunt from day one. And I think one of 830 00:42:20,800 --> 00:42:22,840 Speaker 1: the reasons that I've had quite a bit of success 831 00:42:23,120 --> 00:42:28,160 Speaker 1: public land hunting is because before I had kids, I 832 00:42:28,239 --> 00:42:30,719 Speaker 1: used to just leave for like four days, five days 833 00:42:30,760 --> 00:42:32,920 Speaker 1: ahead of the hunt and just tell my wife, I'll 834 00:42:32,960 --> 00:42:34,319 Speaker 1: be home when I'm going to be home, and I 835 00:42:34,320 --> 00:42:38,280 Speaker 1: would scout NonStop for four days before I started hunting. 836 00:42:38,600 --> 00:42:40,399 Speaker 1: And you got to I got to glass all those 837 00:42:40,480 --> 00:42:43,040 Speaker 1: river bottoms and walk them all and figure out if 838 00:42:43,040 --> 00:42:45,839 Speaker 1: if you're were moving there or not. And that information 839 00:42:46,000 --> 00:42:50,719 Speaker 1: without having the pressure carrying your boat is just so valuable. 840 00:42:50,760 --> 00:42:53,680 Speaker 1: When you start hunting, you just you just solidify all 841 00:42:53,760 --> 00:42:56,400 Speaker 1: your beliefs or you know, if what you thought was 842 00:42:56,440 --> 00:42:58,520 Speaker 1: gonna be awesome turns out to be bunk, you've got 843 00:42:58,560 --> 00:43:00,600 Speaker 1: time to move on to the next one, figure it out. 844 00:43:01,080 --> 00:43:05,880 Speaker 1: And scouting, scouting that way is is just ridiculously valuable. 845 00:43:05,880 --> 00:43:09,239 Speaker 1: It's more valuable than hunting in a lot of situations. 846 00:43:09,280 --> 00:43:11,759 Speaker 1: So so here's a key consistency that I think we 847 00:43:11,920 --> 00:43:14,680 Speaker 1: just heard here from Tony and Adam. It was this 848 00:43:14,760 --> 00:43:18,480 Speaker 1: importance of scouting for sign of other hunters. It seems 849 00:43:18,480 --> 00:43:20,680 Speaker 1: that this is just as important if not more important 850 00:43:20,680 --> 00:43:23,040 Speaker 1: in many cases than actually looking for deer signs. So 851 00:43:23,080 --> 00:43:24,520 Speaker 1: that's the key thing I think that we should take 852 00:43:24,560 --> 00:43:27,279 Speaker 1: note of that. A few people have already mentioned. We're 853 00:43:27,280 --> 00:43:30,080 Speaker 1: probably gonna hear about it here again too, but continually on. 854 00:43:30,200 --> 00:43:33,000 Speaker 1: Here's another friend of mine and a deer hunting savant, 855 00:43:33,400 --> 00:43:36,919 Speaker 1: Andy made, and he has some similarly helpful public land 856 00:43:36,920 --> 00:43:40,279 Speaker 1: scouting tips. I'm definitely a map freak. UM. I have 857 00:43:41,239 --> 00:43:44,880 Speaker 1: you know, uh binders of each state with the properties 858 00:43:44,920 --> 00:43:47,760 Speaker 1: that I hunt, the properties that I plan on hunting, 859 00:43:48,120 --> 00:43:51,920 Speaker 1: and the backup properties you know, public, you know, private, 860 00:43:51,960 --> 00:43:53,880 Speaker 1: that sort of thing. And I have you know, the 861 00:43:53,920 --> 00:43:57,720 Speaker 1: aerials and that I have, um, the the topo maps 862 00:43:57,760 --> 00:44:00,239 Speaker 1: and all that stuff, and I do I really zone 863 00:44:00,280 --> 00:44:02,520 Speaker 1: in on that. But for me personally, I can find 864 00:44:02,520 --> 00:44:04,959 Speaker 1: out the obvious stuff, like the stuff that probably everyone 865 00:44:05,000 --> 00:44:07,560 Speaker 1: in this room can find, which is what your your 866 00:44:07,680 --> 00:44:11,080 Speaker 1: typical funnels um. You know, you somebody, it's very easy 867 00:44:11,120 --> 00:44:13,880 Speaker 1: to to see like river crossings, UM. Now with like 868 00:44:13,920 --> 00:44:15,680 Speaker 1: Google maps and stuff, you can zone and you can 869 00:44:15,719 --> 00:44:19,040 Speaker 1: actually find deer trails um, you know, and see where 870 00:44:19,040 --> 00:44:22,880 Speaker 1: there's a lot of intersecting trails um, you know, betting 871 00:44:22,880 --> 00:44:26,080 Speaker 1: areas you know, and depending on the type of habitat, 872 00:44:26,760 --> 00:44:31,000 Speaker 1: very easy to see and predict UM. So what I 873 00:44:31,400 --> 00:44:34,680 Speaker 1: find more for me personally, I get I get more 874 00:44:34,800 --> 00:44:37,840 Speaker 1: UM detail with boots on the ground. So I always 875 00:44:37,880 --> 00:44:40,040 Speaker 1: try to and it helps because these states aren't terribly 876 00:44:40,080 --> 00:44:43,719 Speaker 1: far from me. Montana would be hard to do this UM. 877 00:44:43,760 --> 00:44:46,000 Speaker 1: But I like to get out there in the spring, 878 00:44:46,040 --> 00:44:48,520 Speaker 1: early spring, you know, after the snow melt, but before 879 00:44:48,600 --> 00:44:51,680 Speaker 1: green up, especially if I'm planning like a rut, a 880 00:44:51,719 --> 00:44:55,720 Speaker 1: pre rut rut trip late October, you know, early November, 881 00:44:55,840 --> 00:44:59,000 Speaker 1: maybe that second week in November. That's when that sign 882 00:44:59,120 --> 00:45:01,680 Speaker 1: is really visible. You know. You can see the rubes, 883 00:45:01,719 --> 00:45:03,480 Speaker 1: you can see the scrapes, you can see the trails. 884 00:45:03,760 --> 00:45:06,799 Speaker 1: Everything is you know, was just made a few months ago. 885 00:45:07,200 --> 00:45:09,080 Speaker 1: You can really dial in and see where kind of 886 00:45:09,080 --> 00:45:13,160 Speaker 1: everything comes together and really pick out those high percentage spots. 887 00:45:13,200 --> 00:45:16,520 Speaker 1: So for me, boots on the ground is as as 888 00:45:16,600 --> 00:45:19,719 Speaker 1: a kind of a necessity, and to be honest with you, 889 00:45:21,080 --> 00:45:23,200 Speaker 1: for me, that's like just part of the enjoyment of it. 890 00:45:23,239 --> 00:45:26,920 Speaker 1: I like that as much. I like trying to scout 891 00:45:26,960 --> 00:45:30,400 Speaker 1: and figure out dear and going on these adventures in 892 00:45:30,480 --> 00:45:33,080 Speaker 1: brand new areas where I don't even know what's their 893 00:45:33,320 --> 00:45:37,279 Speaker 1: success or not. I actually enjoy that maybe more than 894 00:45:37,320 --> 00:45:39,600 Speaker 1: actually getting getting a buck on the ground, you know 895 00:45:39,640 --> 00:45:41,920 Speaker 1: what I mean. I just I've really come I've just 896 00:45:41,960 --> 00:45:45,680 Speaker 1: become addicted to that constant stimulation of new you know. 897 00:45:45,760 --> 00:45:48,640 Speaker 1: Put me in an unfamiliar area with the bow in 898 00:45:48,680 --> 00:45:50,279 Speaker 1: my hand and the wind in my face, and it's like, 899 00:45:51,560 --> 00:45:53,560 Speaker 1: following that up, we're gonna do kind of a rapid 900 00:45:53,600 --> 00:45:57,360 Speaker 1: fire jump with three guys here sharing their scouting techniques, 901 00:45:57,440 --> 00:46:00,520 Speaker 1: so Bernie Barringer. Then we're here from TI right now, 902 00:46:00,960 --> 00:46:04,120 Speaker 1: and then ton of meat and then of course once 903 00:46:04,160 --> 00:46:07,319 Speaker 1: you're on the property, then that's that's the real key 904 00:46:07,360 --> 00:46:09,759 Speaker 1: to find in the right spot. And you're gonna hunt 905 00:46:10,480 --> 00:46:13,240 Speaker 1: differently than you would if you own a piece of property, 906 00:46:13,280 --> 00:46:16,000 Speaker 1: you had permission on a piece of property. UM. I 907 00:46:16,080 --> 00:46:19,640 Speaker 1: call it hunting aggressively. And that's a really important key 908 00:46:19,680 --> 00:46:23,080 Speaker 1: to what makes this this all work. Because you know, 909 00:46:23,120 --> 00:46:26,600 Speaker 1: if you had, say a couple hundred acres of ground 910 00:46:26,640 --> 00:46:29,239 Speaker 1: that you hunt, um, you'd probably have a couple of 911 00:46:29,239 --> 00:46:31,480 Speaker 1: betting areas there that you would never go into. You 912 00:46:31,560 --> 00:46:35,000 Speaker 1: might have a sanctuary that you really avoid at all costs. 913 00:46:35,000 --> 00:46:38,959 Speaker 1: And and if you would know where the deer tend 914 00:46:39,000 --> 00:46:42,680 Speaker 1: to feed and where they tend to travel, and where 915 00:46:42,680 --> 00:46:44,239 Speaker 1: the food sources are. But if you go to a 916 00:46:44,320 --> 00:46:47,920 Speaker 1: new piece of property, you gotta start from scratch, and 917 00:46:47,920 --> 00:46:50,080 Speaker 1: you're gonna walk right through those betting areas and bust 918 00:46:50,120 --> 00:46:52,000 Speaker 1: the deer out. And you hate doing it, but it's 919 00:46:52,040 --> 00:46:54,560 Speaker 1: part of You have to do it because you need 920 00:46:54,600 --> 00:46:57,440 Speaker 1: to know where they are. And um, you know you 921 00:46:57,440 --> 00:47:01,320 Speaker 1: you can learn the travel corridors by looking at trails 922 00:47:01,320 --> 00:47:04,560 Speaker 1: and following tracks and looking at scrapes and rubs, and 923 00:47:05,760 --> 00:47:07,480 Speaker 1: you know you really have to. You have to get 924 00:47:07,600 --> 00:47:11,400 Speaker 1: out on the ground and and learn the property to 925 00:47:11,800 --> 00:47:14,360 Speaker 1: The temptation is when you first get there is to 926 00:47:14,480 --> 00:47:16,719 Speaker 1: just here's a good looking spot, put up a tree stand, 927 00:47:16,800 --> 00:47:19,440 Speaker 1: get in it. But that's not necessarily the best way 928 00:47:19,440 --> 00:47:22,680 Speaker 1: to hunt because you don't have the confidence that it takes. 929 00:47:22,719 --> 00:47:24,279 Speaker 1: If you're in a run. Huh, you might want to 930 00:47:24,320 --> 00:47:26,880 Speaker 1: sit in the stand all day. Um, you want to 931 00:47:26,920 --> 00:47:28,960 Speaker 1: have confidence that you're in the right spot before you 932 00:47:28,960 --> 00:47:30,760 Speaker 1: ever get in there, because you're gonna be second guesting 933 00:47:30,800 --> 00:47:34,319 Speaker 1: yourself all the time if you don't. And you so 934 00:47:34,400 --> 00:47:35,919 Speaker 1: you've got you've got to know what's over the next 935 00:47:35,960 --> 00:47:39,000 Speaker 1: hill and that way you have confidence when you do 936 00:47:39,040 --> 00:47:41,000 Speaker 1: get in the stand that you're in the right spot. 937 00:47:41,520 --> 00:47:46,080 Speaker 1: So those are all pretty important keys to it. It's 938 00:47:46,360 --> 00:47:49,040 Speaker 1: it all depends, you know, I guess sometimes if we're 939 00:47:49,040 --> 00:47:51,440 Speaker 1: close enough and we can you know, it's reasonable the 940 00:47:51,520 --> 00:47:54,920 Speaker 1: drive there in the preseason, we can, Um, you know, 941 00:47:55,800 --> 00:47:58,320 Speaker 1: where are we going? Kansas is you know, eighteen hours away, 942 00:47:58,760 --> 00:48:01,319 Speaker 1: so it's it's tough to you know to make that 943 00:48:01,440 --> 00:48:04,080 Speaker 1: kind of a drive, you know, in the in the summer. 944 00:48:04,239 --> 00:48:05,600 Speaker 1: Just the amount of time that it takes you to 945 00:48:05,600 --> 00:48:08,799 Speaker 1: get out there and get back. Um, there's usually just 946 00:48:08,840 --> 00:48:11,680 Speaker 1: too much going on, you know, with life to to 947 00:48:11,760 --> 00:48:13,359 Speaker 1: be able to carve out that kind of a time 948 00:48:13,880 --> 00:48:16,560 Speaker 1: time frame to get out there and scout. Um. You know, 949 00:48:16,600 --> 00:48:19,160 Speaker 1: we went to North Dakota a few years ago and 950 00:48:19,480 --> 00:48:21,480 Speaker 1: never set foot on anything until we got there. It 951 00:48:21,520 --> 00:48:24,399 Speaker 1: was just all you know on the computer beforehand, because 952 00:48:24,440 --> 00:48:27,440 Speaker 1: that was a you know, twenty some hour drive closer 953 00:48:27,480 --> 00:48:30,200 Speaker 1: play you know, Indiana. Um, like I said, I went 954 00:48:30,200 --> 00:48:33,080 Speaker 1: down there last winter ship hunting just for a day 955 00:48:33,080 --> 00:48:34,759 Speaker 1: at least to get a you know a little bit 956 00:48:34,760 --> 00:48:36,399 Speaker 1: of an idea of what it was like because it's 957 00:48:36,640 --> 00:48:40,000 Speaker 1: close enough drive and you know, Ohio, you know, we've 958 00:48:40,120 --> 00:48:42,200 Speaker 1: we've spent a fair you know, a fair number of 959 00:48:42,280 --> 00:48:45,680 Speaker 1: days back and forth from there, you know, scouting different places. 960 00:48:45,719 --> 00:48:47,880 Speaker 1: So and it just all depends, I guess on location. 961 00:48:48,600 --> 00:48:52,600 Speaker 1: So can you can you elaborate Tyler for us on 962 00:48:52,920 --> 00:48:55,920 Speaker 1: exactly in these instances where you do actually go in 963 00:48:56,000 --> 00:48:58,560 Speaker 1: person to scout, whether that be you know, in the 964 00:48:58,600 --> 00:49:00,880 Speaker 1: spring or summer, or maybe you show up at the 965 00:49:00,920 --> 00:49:03,040 Speaker 1: property in the fall and you you want to do 966 00:49:03,080 --> 00:49:05,319 Speaker 1: some scouting before actually hunting. Can you walk us through 967 00:49:05,920 --> 00:49:08,279 Speaker 1: what that scouting looks like? You know, what are the 968 00:49:08,320 --> 00:49:10,880 Speaker 1: things you were looking for? What do you try to identify? 969 00:49:10,960 --> 00:49:16,120 Speaker 1: What are you trying to learn? Well, aside from you know, 970 00:49:16,160 --> 00:49:20,120 Speaker 1: what you look for really on on any piece of ground, UM, 971 00:49:20,200 --> 00:49:22,400 Speaker 1: the big things we look for is you know where 972 00:49:22,400 --> 00:49:25,440 Speaker 1: the parking areas are. UM. A lot of these public 973 00:49:25,520 --> 00:49:28,799 Speaker 1: land areas have maybe your mountain biking trails or equestrian 974 00:49:28,800 --> 00:49:32,400 Speaker 1: trails or some other you know, type of trail system 975 00:49:32,440 --> 00:49:35,000 Speaker 1: where hunters can use those to access you know, and 976 00:49:35,040 --> 00:49:40,360 Speaker 1: get farther back in a lot easier. UM. And you 977 00:49:40,360 --> 00:49:41,799 Speaker 1: can do it from home a lot of times, you know, 978 00:49:41,840 --> 00:49:45,080 Speaker 1: even if you can get ahold of you know, the 979 00:49:45,200 --> 00:49:47,520 Speaker 1: little office is a lot of times at the piece 980 00:49:47,520 --> 00:49:51,040 Speaker 1: of public ground or the spate forest or whatever it is. Um, 981 00:49:51,120 --> 00:49:53,440 Speaker 1: they'll have little brochures and stuff a lot of times 982 00:49:53,719 --> 00:49:56,680 Speaker 1: at the facility that have those trails on them, and 983 00:49:57,320 --> 00:49:59,360 Speaker 1: they're hard to find online, but if you call them up, 984 00:49:59,360 --> 00:50:01,440 Speaker 1: they'll send you one those brochures you can study in 985 00:50:01,480 --> 00:50:04,160 Speaker 1: the off season. And I'll actually go through make a 986 00:50:04,200 --> 00:50:07,160 Speaker 1: map on Google Earth one side, you know, committed to 987 00:50:07,200 --> 00:50:10,480 Speaker 1: a property, and I'll put all those trails in, and 988 00:50:10,480 --> 00:50:13,000 Speaker 1: I'll put all those partning areas in, and then you 989 00:50:13,080 --> 00:50:15,879 Speaker 1: kind of you know, make a radius of where other 990 00:50:15,920 --> 00:50:18,320 Speaker 1: people are gonna go. And then you find those little 991 00:50:18,360 --> 00:50:21,680 Speaker 1: pockets there, you know, that are too far away, um 992 00:50:21,760 --> 00:50:23,800 Speaker 1: you know, or maybe there's some type of terrain feature, 993 00:50:23,960 --> 00:50:26,959 Speaker 1: you know, a river or you know some really really 994 00:50:27,000 --> 00:50:29,719 Speaker 1: steep stuff that most guys aren't going to go you 995 00:50:29,719 --> 00:50:33,120 Speaker 1: know past um and find those little pockets that are 996 00:50:33,680 --> 00:50:35,920 Speaker 1: a lot of times and not haunted at all. Uh. 997 00:50:36,080 --> 00:50:37,799 Speaker 1: You know, there's if you find a big enough piece 998 00:50:37,840 --> 00:50:40,560 Speaker 1: of public ground or even though just the right one 999 00:50:40,600 --> 00:50:43,759 Speaker 1: that's got those kind of land barriers, um, you know, 1000 00:50:43,840 --> 00:50:46,480 Speaker 1: you can you can essentially have private ground stuff that's 1001 00:50:46,560 --> 00:50:49,359 Speaker 1: hardly ever hunted because nobody wants to go that far. 1002 00:50:51,800 --> 00:50:55,160 Speaker 1: We we probably piss off a lot of people because 1003 00:50:55,160 --> 00:51:00,160 Speaker 1: we're kind of like wild Banshee Indians. Uh. We will 1004 00:51:00,239 --> 00:51:04,399 Speaker 1: walk through every single bit of the property, like I'll 1005 00:51:04,440 --> 00:51:06,520 Speaker 1: cover every single bit of it. I mean, I'll want, 1006 00:51:06,600 --> 00:51:09,560 Speaker 1: I'll zigzag, I'll do everything. And I'm sure people get 1007 00:51:09,600 --> 00:51:13,720 Speaker 1: piste because it's in November. You're on public land, people 1008 00:51:13,719 --> 00:51:16,440 Speaker 1: are on their vacation, and I'm walking all through the 1009 00:51:16,440 --> 00:51:20,480 Speaker 1: woods and we all do the same thing. And what 1010 00:51:20,520 --> 00:51:24,479 Speaker 1: we do is we walk in the first day, We'll 1011 00:51:24,480 --> 00:51:27,279 Speaker 1: try to determine where do we want to go, like 1012 00:51:27,320 --> 00:51:29,319 Speaker 1: where do we want to start on the next day, 1013 00:51:29,560 --> 00:51:33,240 Speaker 1: and then like I'll either market with my gps um 1014 00:51:33,280 --> 00:51:36,040 Speaker 1: like okay, I'll mark the way point and then I'll 1015 00:51:36,080 --> 00:51:38,799 Speaker 1: have it right there and like this will be number one, 1016 00:51:38,920 --> 00:51:42,080 Speaker 1: number two or whatever. And then the next day I'll 1017 00:51:42,120 --> 00:51:44,000 Speaker 1: go back there. We'll all go back to wherever we 1018 00:51:44,120 --> 00:51:46,879 Speaker 1: found and we'll hunt there in the morning and then 1019 00:51:46,920 --> 00:51:49,080 Speaker 1: we'll see what happens in the morning. We'll meet in 1020 00:51:49,120 --> 00:51:51,480 Speaker 1: the afternoon and then we'll come up with another game 1021 00:51:51,520 --> 00:51:55,000 Speaker 1: plan and like say you're hunting on like a you know, 1022 00:51:55,600 --> 00:51:59,799 Speaker 1: public area that's four thousand acres or something, and it's 1023 00:52:00,120 --> 00:52:02,319 Speaker 1: it's on a bunch of different roads. We'll all go 1024 00:52:02,400 --> 00:52:05,000 Speaker 1: to a different road and we'll all do our thing, 1025 00:52:05,600 --> 00:52:08,360 Speaker 1: and then we'll come back and we'll discuss it, and 1026 00:52:08,360 --> 00:52:11,360 Speaker 1: then we'll make a plan from there. So, after listening 1027 00:52:11,400 --> 00:52:13,879 Speaker 1: to all these guys talking about scouting, you know, these 1028 00:52:13,880 --> 00:52:15,960 Speaker 1: are some of the very best public land deer hunters 1029 00:52:16,000 --> 00:52:18,200 Speaker 1: out there, There's one thing that stands out to me 1030 00:52:18,239 --> 00:52:21,480 Speaker 1: above all else, and it is just the absolute, above 1031 00:52:21,600 --> 00:52:25,719 Speaker 1: all importance of scouting. This just can't be emphasized enough. 1032 00:52:25,960 --> 00:52:27,920 Speaker 1: And I think in a public land scenarire like this 1033 00:52:28,040 --> 00:52:30,719 Speaker 1: is probably even more important than on private ground. I mean, 1034 00:52:30,920 --> 00:52:33,239 Speaker 1: as you can tell a number of these guys prioritized 1035 00:52:33,239 --> 00:52:36,319 Speaker 1: scouting even over hunting on short trips. They're even willing 1036 00:52:36,360 --> 00:52:39,200 Speaker 1: to sacrifice a precious day or two of hunting just 1037 00:52:39,239 --> 00:52:41,040 Speaker 1: to walk around and get to know a place. And 1038 00:52:41,120 --> 00:52:44,120 Speaker 1: another thing that seemed consistently mentioned was this need to 1039 00:52:44,200 --> 00:52:47,040 Speaker 1: dive into every area you possibly can and being much 1040 00:52:47,040 --> 00:52:49,560 Speaker 1: more aggressive with your scouting than you might be on 1041 00:52:49,600 --> 00:52:52,279 Speaker 1: private land, because you know, for one thing, you can't 1042 00:52:52,280 --> 00:52:55,920 Speaker 1: control anyone else's hunting pressure. And secondly, because you just 1043 00:52:56,000 --> 00:52:58,600 Speaker 1: need to find those heavy cover, hard to reach places 1044 00:52:58,640 --> 00:53:01,680 Speaker 1: and understand them if gonna find big bucks consistently on 1045 00:53:01,760 --> 00:53:04,920 Speaker 1: public land. So once we've found our area to hunt 1046 00:53:04,960 --> 00:53:07,720 Speaker 1: and we've scouted it, maybe digitally or on the ground, 1047 00:53:08,080 --> 00:53:10,520 Speaker 1: now we can finally hunt. And I want to throw 1048 00:53:10,560 --> 00:53:12,600 Speaker 1: it over to Bernie again as he explains how he 1049 00:53:12,640 --> 00:53:15,440 Speaker 1: typically begins his public land hunts, how he uses traild 1050 00:53:15,480 --> 00:53:18,520 Speaker 1: cameras on them, and a bit more. And uh, you know, 1051 00:53:18,520 --> 00:53:20,560 Speaker 1: the first day I arrived at a new property, I 1052 00:53:20,680 --> 00:53:24,440 Speaker 1: rarely hunt. The first day, I'm usually maybe glassing the 1053 00:53:24,440 --> 00:53:26,520 Speaker 1: property from the roads with the spotting scope, trying to 1054 00:53:26,520 --> 00:53:29,880 Speaker 1: figure out where the deer activity is. And the first 1055 00:53:29,880 --> 00:53:31,640 Speaker 1: stand that I put up is likely to be what 1056 00:53:31,680 --> 00:53:35,120 Speaker 1: I call an observation stand, where I'm actually putting a 1057 00:53:35,120 --> 00:53:36,600 Speaker 1: stand up in a place where I can have a 1058 00:53:36,600 --> 00:53:40,440 Speaker 1: good view of a large field or open timber or 1059 00:53:40,480 --> 00:53:42,160 Speaker 1: something like that, and try to get a better feel 1060 00:53:42,280 --> 00:53:45,520 Speaker 1: for what the movement looks like. And and then throughout 1061 00:53:45,520 --> 00:53:48,239 Speaker 1: the week then I'll narrow it down and narrow it down, 1062 00:53:48,320 --> 00:53:52,120 Speaker 1: and by the time I, um, you know, after have 1063 00:53:52,239 --> 00:53:55,000 Speaker 1: three or four days under my belt. I'm usually pushing 1064 00:53:55,000 --> 00:53:57,799 Speaker 1: all my chips into one spot. You know, I'm cashing in. 1065 00:53:58,160 --> 00:54:00,400 Speaker 1: I'm going all in on one tree where this is 1066 00:54:00,400 --> 00:54:02,799 Speaker 1: the place I think it's gonna happen, you know where. 1067 00:54:02,800 --> 00:54:05,759 Speaker 1: The trail cameras are a really important component to the process. 1068 00:54:05,880 --> 00:54:09,239 Speaker 1: I I there's two reasons I like to use a 1069 00:54:09,280 --> 00:54:11,719 Speaker 1: lot of trail cameras. Number one because I want to 1070 00:54:11,760 --> 00:54:13,719 Speaker 1: know what the potential of the area is as soon 1071 00:54:13,760 --> 00:54:16,799 Speaker 1: as possible. Um, I want to inventory the box. I 1072 00:54:16,800 --> 00:54:18,960 Speaker 1: guess is the best way to put it where. You know, 1073 00:54:19,120 --> 00:54:22,000 Speaker 1: if I've I've been on haunts where I had a 1074 00:54:22,080 --> 00:54:25,640 Speaker 1: hundred buck walked by the first time, I sat in 1075 00:54:25,640 --> 00:54:27,759 Speaker 1: the stand and I passed them up, and then I 1076 00:54:27,800 --> 00:54:29,200 Speaker 1: was there for a week and I turned out to 1077 00:54:29,239 --> 00:54:31,880 Speaker 1: be the biggest buck I saw. You know. So the 1078 00:54:31,920 --> 00:54:34,920 Speaker 1: sooner you can get a handle on what the potential 1079 00:54:34,960 --> 00:54:36,920 Speaker 1: of the area is, the better off you are. And 1080 00:54:36,960 --> 00:54:39,320 Speaker 1: there's no better way to do that than with trail cameras. 1081 00:54:39,320 --> 00:54:42,160 Speaker 1: And in particular I hang them both on trails and 1082 00:54:42,200 --> 00:54:47,240 Speaker 1: on scrapes and scrapes um anytime after about the last 1083 00:54:47,280 --> 00:54:50,680 Speaker 1: week in October, third or last week in October, if 1084 00:54:50,680 --> 00:54:53,040 Speaker 1: you start putting trail cameras on scrapes and then use 1085 00:54:53,520 --> 00:54:56,239 Speaker 1: some good fresh year and or some deer lure in 1086 00:54:56,320 --> 00:54:59,600 Speaker 1: those scrapes. You'll inventory the majority of the box. Within 1087 00:54:59,640 --> 00:55:02,520 Speaker 1: three days, you'll have the majority of the box on camera, 1088 00:55:03,000 --> 00:55:04,560 Speaker 1: So you have a lot better chance, you have a 1089 00:55:04,560 --> 00:55:06,719 Speaker 1: lot better idea of what the potential is and what 1090 00:55:06,800 --> 00:55:09,920 Speaker 1: you should hold out for. And uh So that's the 1091 00:55:10,040 --> 00:55:13,399 Speaker 1: first aspect of second aspect is it will tell you 1092 00:55:13,640 --> 00:55:15,840 Speaker 1: what stage of the rut these d are in based 1093 00:55:15,880 --> 00:55:18,520 Speaker 1: on how they're reacting. And you know, you can look 1094 00:55:18,560 --> 00:55:21,480 Speaker 1: at them and see how um, you know, how heavily 1095 00:55:21,520 --> 00:55:24,280 Speaker 1: they're working the scrapes and are their tarso glands stained 1096 00:55:24,360 --> 00:55:26,920 Speaker 1: up like they've been running pretty hard? Are that those 1097 00:55:26,920 --> 00:55:29,319 Speaker 1: in the scrapes are just the bucks. Bills will give 1098 00:55:29,320 --> 00:55:31,400 Speaker 1: you clues as to what the status of the rut is, 1099 00:55:31,440 --> 00:55:34,520 Speaker 1: and that will help you make decisions on stand placement. 1100 00:55:34,920 --> 00:55:37,000 Speaker 1: You know, are these bucks on the cruise or are 1101 00:55:37,000 --> 00:55:40,560 Speaker 1: they starting to uh to get in a lockdown stage 1102 00:55:40,640 --> 00:55:43,520 Speaker 1: where they're actually coupled up with those and aren't traveling 1103 00:55:43,520 --> 00:55:45,520 Speaker 1: as much. Then you need to be focusing more on 1104 00:55:45,560 --> 00:55:48,560 Speaker 1: the betting areas and so forth. So yeah, trail cameras. 1105 00:55:48,640 --> 00:55:51,640 Speaker 1: I literally have four to six trail cameras out almost 1106 00:55:51,680 --> 00:55:54,399 Speaker 1: all the time when I'm hunting. Next, We're gonna bring 1107 00:55:54,400 --> 00:55:56,359 Speaker 1: Aaron back and and I want to talk with him 1108 00:55:56,400 --> 00:56:00,080 Speaker 1: about his approach to hunting public land after completing of 1109 00:56:00,160 --> 00:56:02,560 Speaker 1: that scouting he's done, and specifically I asked him if 1110 00:56:02,560 --> 00:56:04,839 Speaker 1: he waits for anything in particular to start heading into 1111 00:56:04,840 --> 00:56:07,520 Speaker 1: his good spots or if he just dives right in there. 1112 00:56:08,520 --> 00:56:13,120 Speaker 1: We usually dive right in. Um we've scouted most of 1113 00:56:13,160 --> 00:56:16,360 Speaker 1: these areas. We've we've scouted the heck out of them, 1114 00:56:16,400 --> 00:56:20,200 Speaker 1: and we know where most of the betting is on. 1115 00:56:20,600 --> 00:56:22,680 Speaker 1: And some of them were more familiar with than others. 1116 00:56:22,680 --> 00:56:25,839 Speaker 1: The spot in the buckness spot in particular, we're very 1117 00:56:25,840 --> 00:56:27,960 Speaker 1: familiar with because we've spent so many years hunt in 1118 00:56:27,960 --> 00:56:31,520 Speaker 1: the immediate area. And what we noticed after we started 1119 00:56:31,520 --> 00:56:34,719 Speaker 1: putting more pressure on those bucks is they didn't leave. 1120 00:56:35,000 --> 00:56:38,520 Speaker 1: They just I mean, they would eventually filter out. The 1121 00:56:38,600 --> 00:56:40,600 Speaker 1: very first day, there was a ton of bucks in there, 1122 00:56:41,400 --> 00:56:44,640 Speaker 1: but the next, the the next few times we went in, 1123 00:56:44,719 --> 00:56:47,560 Speaker 1: there were fewer and fewer bucks. And then I also 1124 00:56:47,680 --> 00:56:49,879 Speaker 1: noticed that I started picking them up on different parts 1125 00:56:49,880 --> 00:56:52,279 Speaker 1: of the area. On my other trail cameras, you know, 1126 00:56:52,360 --> 00:56:55,840 Speaker 1: at different times of the day. I started picking up 1127 00:56:55,880 --> 00:56:57,959 Speaker 1: one of them. I remember in daylight in the middle 1128 00:56:58,000 --> 00:57:00,319 Speaker 1: of October that we saw the very first night at 1129 00:57:00,320 --> 00:57:03,960 Speaker 1: the buck nest and never saw him back there again 1130 00:57:04,000 --> 00:57:05,880 Speaker 1: for the rest of fall. And what I think happens 1131 00:57:05,920 --> 00:57:09,959 Speaker 1: there is they are eventually detecting us from where we're 1132 00:57:10,080 --> 00:57:12,560 Speaker 1: in there hunting them. But all they're doing is moving 1133 00:57:12,600 --> 00:57:17,760 Speaker 1: a few hundred yards and it's not really impacting the 1134 00:57:17,800 --> 00:57:20,920 Speaker 1: way that they're moving or behaving other than they're changing 1135 00:57:21,000 --> 00:57:25,720 Speaker 1: betting areas. Does that make sense, Yeah, it does, And 1136 00:57:26,120 --> 00:57:30,360 Speaker 1: that's what that's what we're seeing a lot of places too, 1137 00:57:30,680 --> 00:57:34,120 Speaker 1: Like we we dive right in to your point because 1138 00:57:34,160 --> 00:57:38,000 Speaker 1: of the added pressure. But you know, on public land, 1139 00:57:38,120 --> 00:57:40,479 Speaker 1: if they're dealing with that much pressure and you still 1140 00:57:40,560 --> 00:57:43,360 Speaker 1: can't push them out of there, I don't. I think 1141 00:57:43,440 --> 00:57:45,439 Speaker 1: a lot of folks on private land that are hunting 1142 00:57:45,480 --> 00:57:48,120 Speaker 1: super careful, are almost too careful, you know what I mean, 1143 00:57:48,360 --> 00:57:51,920 Speaker 1: because they have they have so many betting areas and 1144 00:57:51,960 --> 00:57:56,360 Speaker 1: sanctuaries on their property. If we're seeing bucks move but 1145 00:57:56,600 --> 00:57:58,720 Speaker 1: not pick up and leave the count of the country, 1146 00:57:58,880 --> 00:58:01,439 Speaker 1: I mean that everything situation is different, like we talked 1147 00:58:01,440 --> 00:58:04,400 Speaker 1: about earlier. But um, that is one thing that we 1148 00:58:04,480 --> 00:58:07,280 Speaker 1: have noticed a lot, is they just what they detect 1149 00:58:07,320 --> 00:58:09,000 Speaker 1: that you're there, they'll just go to the next best 1150 00:58:09,040 --> 00:58:12,240 Speaker 1: spot next to. Asked Aaron to describe one of his 1151 00:58:12,320 --> 00:58:15,320 Speaker 1: best spots on public land and why it's so good. 1152 00:58:15,400 --> 00:58:17,200 Speaker 1: And I think by hearing about this example, it might 1153 00:58:17,240 --> 00:58:19,640 Speaker 1: be able to help us all better understand what to 1154 00:58:19,720 --> 00:58:21,920 Speaker 1: look for when trying to find our own little public 1155 00:58:22,000 --> 00:58:26,840 Speaker 1: land high holes. Well, it's all surrounded by timber um 1156 00:58:27,440 --> 00:58:31,919 Speaker 1: trees that you can get a stand in, and uh, 1157 00:58:32,080 --> 00:58:34,920 Speaker 1: lots of other deer insulate them back there, like you 1158 00:58:34,960 --> 00:58:37,160 Speaker 1: have to bump deer to get back to them. So 1159 00:58:37,200 --> 00:58:41,080 Speaker 1: if you're not if you're afraid of spooking deers, and 1160 00:58:41,160 --> 00:58:45,960 Speaker 1: this style definitely is for you. Um. But with that said, 1161 00:58:46,000 --> 00:58:49,919 Speaker 1: this is the one area where there's no trees um, 1162 00:58:49,960 --> 00:58:53,880 Speaker 1: And I think that's simply it. There's no trees right there, 1163 00:58:54,000 --> 00:58:56,520 Speaker 1: so people can't hunt there. They won't hunt on the ground. 1164 00:58:56,680 --> 00:58:58,680 Speaker 1: Everybody that's in there has got a tree stand on 1165 00:58:58,720 --> 00:59:02,000 Speaker 1: their back or is is planning on hunting out of 1166 00:59:02,000 --> 00:59:04,320 Speaker 1: a tree stand that they hung prior to that, And 1167 00:59:04,360 --> 00:59:07,920 Speaker 1: it's surrounded on all sides by these big timbered hills 1168 00:59:08,720 --> 00:59:11,919 Speaker 1: that attract quite a bit of hunting pressure. And those 1169 00:59:12,000 --> 00:59:14,040 Speaker 1: hills hold a lot of sign too, And you can 1170 00:59:14,080 --> 00:59:15,680 Speaker 1: go through there in a good acorn, you're and there's 1171 00:59:15,720 --> 00:59:21,280 Speaker 1: giant rubs ripped up everywhere. But what what makes that 1172 00:59:21,320 --> 00:59:23,960 Speaker 1: spot so good is those bucks are bedded right next 1173 00:59:24,000 --> 00:59:28,000 Speaker 1: to water. I've noticed that a lot. They love bedding 1174 00:59:28,440 --> 00:59:31,560 Speaker 1: next to water or in very very close proximity to it. 1175 00:59:31,560 --> 00:59:33,439 Speaker 1: It can be a big body of water, a lake, 1176 00:59:33,520 --> 00:59:36,800 Speaker 1: a pond, creek, or river or whatever. They love water. 1177 00:59:37,040 --> 00:59:40,520 Speaker 1: They love being close to it. And like I mentioned, 1178 00:59:40,520 --> 00:59:43,640 Speaker 1: there are no trees. Once you start trying to figure 1179 00:59:43,640 --> 00:59:45,560 Speaker 1: out how to hunt those bucks in the buck nest 1180 00:59:45,640 --> 00:59:50,200 Speaker 1: and October, it becomes really hard because you just can't 1181 00:59:50,240 --> 00:59:53,160 Speaker 1: get within a couple of hundred yards of them in 1182 00:59:53,240 --> 00:59:58,200 Speaker 1: a tree stand, and they just don't they I think 1183 00:59:58,200 --> 01:00:00,960 Speaker 1: that's why they're there, because everybody's walking around the edges 1184 01:00:01,040 --> 01:00:03,600 Speaker 1: that that that's the RP field and they're hanging in 1185 01:00:03,640 --> 01:00:07,600 Speaker 1: those trees h or or way up in the big 1186 01:00:07,640 --> 01:00:10,200 Speaker 1: chamber where they're finding a lot of that sign, but 1187 01:00:10,760 --> 01:00:14,480 Speaker 1: nobody's actually going down in there, or they very rarely 1188 01:00:14,520 --> 01:00:16,440 Speaker 1: are when you look at it's just a grass field. 1189 01:00:17,480 --> 01:00:20,400 Speaker 1: You know, there's not really any other terrain change or 1190 01:00:20,440 --> 01:00:24,080 Speaker 1: habitat change other than the grass bucked up to a creek. 1191 01:00:24,800 --> 01:00:26,800 Speaker 1: And right there where that edge forms is where they 1192 01:00:26,840 --> 01:00:28,800 Speaker 1: like to bed and there's no trees along the edge 1193 01:00:28,800 --> 01:00:30,480 Speaker 1: of the creek that you can even get us stand in. 1194 01:00:31,400 --> 01:00:35,080 Speaker 1: So nobody, nobody ever goes in there now. And that's 1195 01:00:35,080 --> 01:00:40,480 Speaker 1: another misconception is is uh, how far away people can 1196 01:00:40,520 --> 01:00:44,840 Speaker 1: be from those beds um without bumping them. And people 1197 01:00:44,880 --> 01:00:47,200 Speaker 1: walk the edge of that field all the time. I'm 1198 01:00:47,240 --> 01:00:50,520 Speaker 1: talking like two yards, and those deer they walk in 1199 01:00:50,600 --> 01:00:53,600 Speaker 1: and out of this public property in that field, but 1200 01:00:53,720 --> 01:00:56,880 Speaker 1: they don't ever go go back into that corner because 1201 01:00:56,920 --> 01:00:58,840 Speaker 1: there's nothing that they can hang a tree stand in. 1202 01:01:00,360 --> 01:01:02,960 Speaker 1: So just keep that in mind and think about that 1203 01:01:03,040 --> 01:01:05,400 Speaker 1: for any property that you're hunting, if you're trying to 1204 01:01:05,440 --> 01:01:08,320 Speaker 1: keep the pressure off, even on private land, when those 1205 01:01:08,360 --> 01:01:11,880 Speaker 1: bucks are betted, they they don't mind you walking two 1206 01:01:11,960 --> 01:01:14,360 Speaker 1: hundred yards away from mob times they don't know that 1207 01:01:14,400 --> 01:01:16,360 Speaker 1: you're there, you know, if you've got the wind right 1208 01:01:16,400 --> 01:01:19,760 Speaker 1: to where they're betted at. But in this situation, they 1209 01:01:20,040 --> 01:01:22,920 Speaker 1: people walking and hunt the heck out of that timberline 1210 01:01:22,920 --> 01:01:26,960 Speaker 1: that's two hundred yards away from those bucks. But it 1211 01:01:27,040 --> 01:01:29,200 Speaker 1: keeps them out of there those the lack of trees does. 1212 01:01:29,840 --> 01:01:32,040 Speaker 1: And finally I asked Aaron to talk about entry and 1213 01:01:32,160 --> 01:01:35,720 Speaker 1: excess strategies. One hunt in public places. Yes, we are 1214 01:01:35,880 --> 01:01:39,480 Speaker 1: very cautious about entering and exiting in those areas, but 1215 01:01:40,680 --> 01:01:44,360 Speaker 1: mainly just really close to the bedding. Um, when we 1216 01:01:44,440 --> 01:01:47,240 Speaker 1: got to go somewhere that's a mile two miles back in, 1217 01:01:47,920 --> 01:01:52,400 Speaker 1: we don't mess around for the first, you know, two 1218 01:01:52,440 --> 01:01:55,760 Speaker 1: thirds of the trip. But when we get in there, 1219 01:01:55,800 --> 01:02:00,320 Speaker 1: really tight to the bedding, we we're going into snail's pay. 1220 01:02:00,800 --> 01:02:03,080 Speaker 1: I mean, you're stepping over twigs, making sure that you 1221 01:02:03,120 --> 01:02:05,360 Speaker 1: don't snap them. You're waiting for the wind to gust 1222 01:02:05,840 --> 01:02:09,080 Speaker 1: so that you can move. Some of these areas in timber, 1223 01:02:09,440 --> 01:02:12,320 Speaker 1: like if you're hunting hardwood timber, for instance, and you're 1224 01:02:12,440 --> 01:02:14,960 Speaker 1: going into a bedding location, you want you want it 1225 01:02:15,000 --> 01:02:19,800 Speaker 1: to be windy and wet as ideal, and uh, if 1226 01:02:19,840 --> 01:02:21,680 Speaker 1: it's not. If you're going in for like an evening 1227 01:02:21,760 --> 01:02:23,880 Speaker 1: hunt and the leaves are crunchy and it's pretty calm 1228 01:02:23,960 --> 01:02:26,960 Speaker 1: mid afternoon, you're you're just not gonna be able to 1229 01:02:26,960 --> 01:02:30,000 Speaker 1: get real close to those those bedding locations because they're 1230 01:02:30,000 --> 01:02:32,960 Speaker 1: just gonna hear you before you get there. Um, but 1231 01:02:33,240 --> 01:02:36,400 Speaker 1: we do. We we go in a lot of times 1232 01:02:36,600 --> 01:02:39,280 Speaker 1: in the middle of the night, almost like uh, two 1233 01:02:39,360 --> 01:02:41,959 Speaker 1: or three o'clock in the morning. I'm a pretty firm 1234 01:02:42,000 --> 01:02:45,560 Speaker 1: believer and going in from morning hunts way ahead of 1235 01:02:45,680 --> 01:02:48,760 Speaker 1: daylight because I think deer can see you better at 1236 01:02:48,760 --> 01:02:52,320 Speaker 1: gray light than they can want it's dark and uh 1237 01:02:52,760 --> 01:02:56,840 Speaker 1: and and getting our stands set up, you know, about 1238 01:02:56,880 --> 01:03:00,840 Speaker 1: thirty minutes before that gray light even hits. And using 1239 01:03:00,880 --> 01:03:04,440 Speaker 1: those headlands that we use, that's a that's another big thing, um, 1240 01:03:04,480 --> 01:03:07,160 Speaker 1: as far as access goes. When it's when every single 1241 01:03:07,240 --> 01:03:10,160 Speaker 1: hunt we use those headlands in and out, and we're 1242 01:03:10,200 --> 01:03:14,280 Speaker 1: always waiting for the cover of darkness before we're going 1243 01:03:14,360 --> 01:03:18,040 Speaker 1: in or going out on an evening hunt. We're always 1244 01:03:18,040 --> 01:03:20,479 Speaker 1: going in in the dark in the morning. We're gonna 1245 01:03:20,480 --> 01:03:22,479 Speaker 1: bring Todd and Meade back on who's going to talk 1246 01:03:22,560 --> 01:03:24,960 Speaker 1: through his plans for hunting a little bit of that 1247 01:03:25,040 --> 01:03:28,200 Speaker 1: scouting and then again how he avoids other hunters when 1248 01:03:28,200 --> 01:03:30,800 Speaker 1: he's beginning these actual hunts. It all depends on the area. 1249 01:03:30,800 --> 01:03:33,120 Speaker 1: I mean, like if I go into an area and 1250 01:03:33,160 --> 01:03:34,960 Speaker 1: there are people hunting in there. Like one of my 1251 01:03:35,000 --> 01:03:37,240 Speaker 1: biggest pet peeves when I get to where I'm going 1252 01:03:37,240 --> 01:03:39,840 Speaker 1: and there's somebody parked there and I'm like, oh man, 1253 01:03:40,040 --> 01:03:41,560 Speaker 1: But then I'm like, wow, there's a lot of woods 1254 01:03:41,560 --> 01:03:44,720 Speaker 1: in there. Most people hunt, you know, certain areas all 1255 01:03:44,760 --> 01:03:47,520 Speaker 1: the time. They don't move around. So I'll go in 1256 01:03:47,520 --> 01:03:49,760 Speaker 1: there and I wander around. If the person isn't in 1257 01:03:49,800 --> 01:03:52,800 Speaker 1: an area that I found that I like, i'll stay 1258 01:03:52,800 --> 01:03:54,680 Speaker 1: in there. If they're an area I found that I like, that, 1259 01:03:54,760 --> 01:03:57,000 Speaker 1: I won't go back because I don't think it's fair 1260 01:03:57,040 --> 01:03:59,080 Speaker 1: to them. Even though it's public land, it's not fair 1261 01:03:59,080 --> 01:04:02,280 Speaker 1: to them. So when I'm in there looking around, I 1262 01:04:02,400 --> 01:04:05,840 Speaker 1: usually look for as many scrapes as I can find 1263 01:04:06,760 --> 01:04:10,360 Speaker 1: in a fairly tight area, um, you know, where they're 1264 01:04:10,360 --> 01:04:14,720 Speaker 1: not far apart, and I look for multiple runways that 1265 01:04:14,800 --> 01:04:17,880 Speaker 1: come together, like maybe two, three, four, or five runways 1266 01:04:17,880 --> 01:04:21,000 Speaker 1: that all come together around those scrapes, And then I 1267 01:04:21,040 --> 01:04:25,919 Speaker 1: need some thick cover around there someplace, and uh, those 1268 01:04:25,960 --> 01:04:28,280 Speaker 1: are the places that I usually look for. If I 1269 01:04:28,360 --> 01:04:32,800 Speaker 1: find all of that in one place, like uh, usually 1270 01:04:32,800 --> 01:04:34,280 Speaker 1: when I find a place like that, I go back 1271 01:04:34,320 --> 01:04:35,800 Speaker 1: to the camp, and I show my buddies and I 1272 01:04:35,880 --> 01:04:38,160 Speaker 1: market on my GPS just so I know where it is. 1273 01:04:38,200 --> 01:04:40,920 Speaker 1: So if they want to go there and I'm not 1274 01:04:41,040 --> 01:04:43,480 Speaker 1: going there, I could just give the way point to them, 1275 01:04:43,560 --> 01:04:46,000 Speaker 1: then they can go find it and I mark on 1276 01:04:46,040 --> 01:04:50,280 Speaker 1: their the killing tree because because usually when I find 1277 01:04:50,280 --> 01:04:53,000 Speaker 1: a spot, I'm almost sure we can kill a good buck. 1278 01:04:53,120 --> 01:04:57,240 Speaker 1: There another trend here. I think that's worth mentioning, and 1279 01:04:57,360 --> 01:04:59,439 Speaker 1: it's kind of related to a couple of other things 1280 01:04:59,440 --> 01:05:02,640 Speaker 1: I called out already, But it's just the simple importance 1281 01:05:02,760 --> 01:05:06,440 Speaker 1: of avoiding other hunters and doing whatever you have to 1282 01:05:06,480 --> 01:05:10,480 Speaker 1: do to get away from them. Again, almost more important 1283 01:05:10,600 --> 01:05:12,960 Speaker 1: than deer sign. Like we talked about earlier, how you're 1284 01:05:12,960 --> 01:05:15,520 Speaker 1: scouting for hunter sign, Well, you're also trying to find 1285 01:05:15,520 --> 01:05:17,880 Speaker 1: those places where they're simply aren't going to be other 1286 01:05:17,920 --> 01:05:21,360 Speaker 1: people for specific reasons. And you're gonna continue that trend 1287 01:05:21,360 --> 01:05:23,840 Speaker 1: here with Tyler right now, who's got more thoughts on 1288 01:05:23,880 --> 01:05:29,000 Speaker 1: that very thing. I mean more than anything. Distance, Um, 1289 01:05:29,080 --> 01:05:33,560 Speaker 1: you know, for the most part, people are lazy. Um, 1290 01:05:33,720 --> 01:05:35,880 Speaker 1: they don't want to walk that far, especially carrying a 1291 01:05:35,960 --> 01:05:40,600 Speaker 1: tree span. Um. So it's just it's that extra you know, 1292 01:05:40,680 --> 01:05:44,000 Speaker 1: half mile that extra three quarters of a mile, um. 1293 01:05:44,080 --> 01:05:46,720 Speaker 1: And I mean some places I've gone as far as 1294 01:05:46,760 --> 01:05:49,600 Speaker 1: printing a map out and measuring out you know how 1295 01:05:49,680 --> 01:05:52,680 Speaker 1: far three coulters of a a mile is and using a 1296 01:05:52,680 --> 01:05:56,600 Speaker 1: compass and you know, actually making a circle around each 1297 01:05:56,640 --> 01:05:59,880 Speaker 1: public or each parking area, every access point so you 1298 01:06:00,000 --> 01:06:01,800 Speaker 1: and see that's okay, that's where people are willing to 1299 01:06:01,840 --> 01:06:05,280 Speaker 1: walk to. And then you have the other areas and 1300 01:06:05,280 --> 01:06:08,320 Speaker 1: that's where you start to focus. And like I said, 1301 01:06:08,400 --> 01:06:12,160 Speaker 1: just you know, just getting away from him. UM. You 1302 01:06:12,160 --> 01:06:15,280 Speaker 1: know all those different things you can use, um that 1303 01:06:15,360 --> 01:06:18,240 Speaker 1: you need to look at, you know, the trail systems, 1304 01:06:18,320 --> 01:06:23,400 Speaker 1: the the parking area is anything like that. Um. You know, 1305 01:06:23,480 --> 01:06:26,840 Speaker 1: it's it's all of super valuable stuff. UM. And you 1306 01:06:26,840 --> 01:06:29,040 Speaker 1: know another tactically we've used but you know a few 1307 01:06:29,040 --> 01:06:32,280 Speaker 1: times in the past is lakes and you know any 1308 01:06:32,480 --> 01:06:36,560 Speaker 1: big rivers actually putting a boat in um to access 1309 01:06:36,560 --> 01:06:40,840 Speaker 1: some of these places. And it's a lot of you know, 1310 01:06:40,880 --> 01:06:43,080 Speaker 1: a lot of extra work, you know, hauling a boat, 1311 01:06:43,320 --> 01:06:45,760 Speaker 1: loading it up, maybe going for an hour boat ride, um, 1312 01:06:45,800 --> 01:06:49,720 Speaker 1: and then hiking in from there. Um. But it's something 1313 01:06:49,720 --> 01:06:52,960 Speaker 1: people don't think about. And there was one day we 1314 01:06:53,080 --> 01:06:56,360 Speaker 1: and Tony were in Ohio two or three years ago, 1315 01:06:57,120 --> 01:06:58,880 Speaker 1: launching a boat at you know, four in the morning, 1316 01:06:59,120 --> 01:07:00,720 Speaker 1: and there were some guys getting ready to go duck 1317 01:07:00,760 --> 01:07:02,560 Speaker 1: hutting there and they, you know, the look on their 1318 01:07:02,600 --> 01:07:05,160 Speaker 1: face was was just priceless. You know, two guys the 1319 01:07:05,240 --> 01:07:07,720 Speaker 1: tree stands and camo and bows getting in a boat 1320 01:07:07,800 --> 01:07:10,480 Speaker 1: and you know, they had no they just couldn't fathom 1321 01:07:10,560 --> 01:07:13,680 Speaker 1: what we could possibly have been doing. Um, you know, 1322 01:07:13,720 --> 01:07:15,680 Speaker 1: and we we went in. It was about a forty 1323 01:07:15,760 --> 01:07:19,200 Speaker 1: five minute boat ride and access to you know, through 1324 01:07:19,240 --> 01:07:24,280 Speaker 1: a reservoir, and you know, we essentially had private land hunt. Um. 1325 01:07:24,320 --> 01:07:25,960 Speaker 1: A lot of those places that are you know that 1326 01:07:26,040 --> 01:07:30,240 Speaker 1: are reservoirs. You know, they may be you know, federally owned, 1327 01:07:30,240 --> 01:07:32,920 Speaker 1: state on whatever they are. Um, there's a lot of 1328 01:07:32,960 --> 01:07:36,640 Speaker 1: it that is physically inaccessible. You can't walk to it. 1329 01:07:36,800 --> 01:07:39,480 Speaker 1: You know, there's places that are totally landlocked by private 1330 01:07:39,640 --> 01:07:41,280 Speaker 1: and the only way to get to them from the 1331 01:07:41,280 --> 01:07:44,680 Speaker 1: public is on the water. Um. You know. So it's 1332 01:07:44,680 --> 01:07:46,960 Speaker 1: another thing people can look at if you have you know, 1333 01:07:47,040 --> 01:07:49,439 Speaker 1: places like that where you live or you know, where 1334 01:07:49,480 --> 01:07:53,919 Speaker 1: you hunt. Um, it's honestly the best way to really 1335 01:07:53,920 --> 01:07:57,240 Speaker 1: guarantee you're gonna be left alone. Um, the only other 1336 01:07:57,280 --> 01:07:59,800 Speaker 1: guy that may hunt it is you know, people that 1337 01:07:59,840 --> 01:08:02,680 Speaker 1: have access to that private ground that borders it. You know, 1338 01:08:02,720 --> 01:08:06,600 Speaker 1: obviously they can come onto the public um, but from 1339 01:08:06,640 --> 01:08:09,880 Speaker 1: a public hunting standpoint, you know that that boat is 1340 01:08:09,920 --> 01:08:12,520 Speaker 1: going to be the only access. So it's a it's 1341 01:08:12,520 --> 01:08:15,320 Speaker 1: a really good tactic and whenever we can, you know, 1342 01:08:15,400 --> 01:08:17,880 Speaker 1: we use it. And those places are a lot of 1343 01:08:17,880 --> 01:08:20,240 Speaker 1: times overlooked too, you know they maybe when you look 1344 01:08:20,280 --> 01:08:23,559 Speaker 1: at those uh you know, the pages from the state 1345 01:08:24,080 --> 01:08:26,519 Speaker 1: that outline what the what the public land area is 1346 01:08:26,560 --> 01:08:29,439 Speaker 1: good for. You know, it may be a four thousand 1347 01:08:29,479 --> 01:08:32,240 Speaker 1: acres you know, peace and three carters of maybe water, 1348 01:08:32,840 --> 01:08:34,759 Speaker 1: and you know they'll put on there. It's it's ideal 1349 01:08:34,800 --> 01:08:37,400 Speaker 1: for bass fishing and for duck hunting. And you know, 1350 01:08:37,439 --> 01:08:39,400 Speaker 1: there's not a doesn't say anything about deer hunting on 1351 01:08:39,479 --> 01:08:43,320 Speaker 1: it um because there's no where you can really walk 1352 01:08:43,360 --> 01:08:47,240 Speaker 1: to the deer hunt. So they often get overlooked and 1353 01:08:47,240 --> 01:08:50,160 Speaker 1: and really don't get deer hunted at all. Um. It's 1354 01:08:50,280 --> 01:08:52,559 Speaker 1: they're they're kind of rare, but when you find one, 1355 01:08:52,640 --> 01:08:56,439 Speaker 1: they're they're definitely worth looking at. Famed Michigan d i 1356 01:08:56,600 --> 01:08:59,160 Speaker 1: Y deer hunter John Eberhart had more to add on 1357 01:08:59,200 --> 01:09:02,640 Speaker 1: the same top that being getting into those tough to 1358 01:09:02,680 --> 01:09:06,240 Speaker 1: reach places to find bucks on public land, it's very 1359 01:09:06,280 --> 01:09:11,160 Speaker 1: simple go to areas where other hunters are not willing 1360 01:09:11,200 --> 01:09:13,800 Speaker 1: to make the work effort to go to. When I 1361 01:09:13,880 --> 01:09:17,240 Speaker 1: hunt public land, if I can walk in an upright 1362 01:09:17,280 --> 01:09:22,719 Speaker 1: walking position, I remember seeing a TV commercial with Michael 1363 01:09:22,720 --> 01:09:25,720 Speaker 1: Waddell with a climber stand on his back walking down 1364 01:09:25,720 --> 01:09:28,680 Speaker 1: a two track going hunting. If you can walk in 1365 01:09:28,720 --> 01:09:33,719 Speaker 1: an upright position in Michigan on public land to any spot, 1366 01:09:33,760 --> 01:09:35,840 Speaker 1: I don't care where it is, it's worthless. I don't 1367 01:09:35,840 --> 01:09:40,160 Speaker 1: care how much sign there is signposting. Um, it was 1368 01:09:40,280 --> 01:09:42,360 Speaker 1: like any sign posting. If it were done by a 1369 01:09:42,439 --> 01:09:46,679 Speaker 1: mature buck, it was probably done at nighttime signposts because 1370 01:09:46,680 --> 01:09:49,920 Speaker 1: basically mature bucks they lived at three and a half 1371 01:09:50,000 --> 01:09:53,160 Speaker 1: years old in Michigan, they just do not make themselves 1372 01:09:53,240 --> 01:09:56,920 Speaker 1: vulnerable during daylight hours. The only time they might is 1373 01:09:57,000 --> 01:09:59,519 Speaker 1: during the rut when they're actually on a hot dough, 1374 01:10:01,120 --> 01:10:04,200 Speaker 1: and that's just not the case in lightly pressure areas. 1375 01:10:04,240 --> 01:10:07,599 Speaker 1: So so basically, if I can walk to a spot 1376 01:10:08,160 --> 01:10:11,800 Speaker 1: and it looks great, there's scrapes and there's rubs. If 1377 01:10:11,800 --> 01:10:14,760 Speaker 1: I can walk there. I setting it up. It isn't 1378 01:10:14,760 --> 01:10:18,000 Speaker 1: gonna happen. Most of the spots I hunt on public land, 1379 01:10:18,080 --> 01:10:19,880 Speaker 1: or even on a lot of private lands where I 1380 01:10:19,920 --> 01:10:23,800 Speaker 1: have permission with other hunters, I have to access my 1381 01:10:23,880 --> 01:10:27,960 Speaker 1: locations with waiters, a canoe, a boat, or crawling through 1382 01:10:28,040 --> 01:10:30,200 Speaker 1: brush to get back to a little clearing near an 1383 01:10:30,240 --> 01:10:34,360 Speaker 1: island someplace, because if you're not that's where the mature 1384 01:10:34,400 --> 01:10:36,560 Speaker 1: deer go. If there is a mature deer on the property, 1385 01:10:37,080 --> 01:10:39,320 Speaker 1: that's where the hunters that are hunting they are going 1386 01:10:39,360 --> 01:10:41,800 Speaker 1: to push in. That's the only place back in those 1387 01:10:41,880 --> 01:10:46,040 Speaker 1: really deep secure zones where a mature buck might feel 1388 01:10:46,080 --> 01:10:50,000 Speaker 1: comfortable moving during daylight hours without actually being on a 1389 01:10:50,080 --> 01:10:52,640 Speaker 1: hot dough. So the last person I want to bring 1390 01:10:52,720 --> 01:10:55,600 Speaker 1: on here to wrap of our hunting section is Eddie Claypool. 1391 01:10:55,600 --> 01:10:59,760 Speaker 1: And you're gonna notice within Eddie's contribution here he does 1392 01:11:00,160 --> 01:11:03,080 Speaker 1: a lot about scouting, and really, if you listen to 1393 01:11:03,120 --> 01:11:05,400 Speaker 1: the last twenty five minutes here, as we've been talking 1394 01:11:05,400 --> 01:11:08,000 Speaker 1: about the actual hunt, a lot of the hunt is 1395 01:11:08,080 --> 01:11:12,280 Speaker 1: still scouting related. So it's scouting hunting, hunting, scouting scouting hunting. 1396 01:11:12,320 --> 01:11:15,439 Speaker 1: That seems to be again something that's emphasized by many 1397 01:11:15,439 --> 01:11:17,519 Speaker 1: of these folks. You constantly need to be learning, You 1398 01:11:17,600 --> 01:11:19,720 Speaker 1: constantly need to be finding the out of the way 1399 01:11:19,800 --> 01:11:22,880 Speaker 1: areas and adjusting based off hunting pressure and what these 1400 01:11:22,880 --> 01:11:25,160 Speaker 1: deer are doing. So Eddie Claypool here is going to 1401 01:11:25,240 --> 01:11:27,759 Speaker 1: talk us through how he actually takes some pre hunt 1402 01:11:27,920 --> 01:11:30,600 Speaker 1: trips to do some of that scouting to prepare for 1403 01:11:30,640 --> 01:11:32,599 Speaker 1: the hunt, to do a little bit more prep work, 1404 01:11:32,800 --> 01:11:34,840 Speaker 1: and then he'll move on to you know, what he's 1405 01:11:34,880 --> 01:11:37,400 Speaker 1: actually focused on once he shows up to actually be 1406 01:11:37,560 --> 01:11:40,160 Speaker 1: in the tree where he's focused on hunting, the types 1407 01:11:40,200 --> 01:11:42,559 Speaker 1: of setups he's looking for, and we'll go from there 1408 01:11:43,080 --> 01:11:47,320 Speaker 1: another little camping trip and put the boat to it. Uh, 1409 01:11:47,520 --> 01:11:50,000 Speaker 1: I will drive. I want to go around the perimeter 1410 01:11:50,080 --> 01:11:52,320 Speaker 1: and learn the access points and figure out, you know, 1411 01:11:52,360 --> 01:11:55,480 Speaker 1: where most of the masses are going to be coming from. 1412 01:11:55,600 --> 01:11:58,400 Speaker 1: Then if I've done my you know, digital scouting properly, 1413 01:11:58,720 --> 01:12:01,040 Speaker 1: I'm going to know where the most remote areas of 1414 01:12:01,120 --> 01:12:05,040 Speaker 1: this public area are the most inaccessible. Those are the 1415 01:12:05,080 --> 01:12:09,599 Speaker 1: priorities to me. That will that's what separates you know, 1416 01:12:09,920 --> 01:12:13,000 Speaker 1: the doers from the hoopers, you know, the ones that 1417 01:12:13,080 --> 01:12:17,320 Speaker 1: hope to kill a good deer Um, I will find 1418 01:12:17,600 --> 01:12:19,880 Speaker 1: access to these remote areas one way or the other, 1419 01:12:20,200 --> 01:12:23,800 Speaker 1: however it might be, and get that set up and 1420 01:12:23,800 --> 01:12:26,479 Speaker 1: get it figured out, gett my some stands, sights prepared, 1421 01:12:26,560 --> 01:12:28,799 Speaker 1: you know, get in there and do the physical scouting 1422 01:12:28,840 --> 01:12:31,200 Speaker 1: and figure out where and how I'm going to hunt 1423 01:12:31,800 --> 01:12:35,040 Speaker 1: and if I access it's difficult, Like there's some spots 1424 01:12:35,040 --> 01:12:37,360 Speaker 1: I hunt that I have to have a boat, you know, 1425 01:12:38,040 --> 01:12:41,439 Speaker 1: I may use a canoe whatever. I just get that 1426 01:12:41,479 --> 01:12:43,640 Speaker 1: figured out and get all of the logistics, you know, 1427 01:12:43,800 --> 01:12:45,679 Speaker 1: lined out, so that when I come back a few 1428 01:12:45,720 --> 01:12:51,040 Speaker 1: weeks later in early November to do the killing, Um, 1429 01:12:51,120 --> 01:12:53,840 Speaker 1: you know I've ever I got it, never key crossed. 1430 01:12:53,960 --> 01:12:56,599 Speaker 1: That's what my October trip will do for me. It'll 1431 01:12:56,880 --> 01:13:00,880 Speaker 1: get me, you know, a lot of I'm saved and 1432 01:13:00,960 --> 01:13:05,760 Speaker 1: a lot of heartache saved by physically being there and 1433 01:13:05,800 --> 01:13:08,920 Speaker 1: getting myself prepared so that when I come in November, 1434 01:13:09,600 --> 01:13:12,799 Speaker 1: I can spend my time in you know, some spots 1435 01:13:12,920 --> 01:13:18,360 Speaker 1: that I've already got prepared, and um, I don't have to, 1436 01:13:19,200 --> 01:13:21,200 Speaker 1: you know, I plan on them. I'm a rut hunter. 1437 01:13:21,479 --> 01:13:26,240 Speaker 1: I'm not a real preseason rut pre rut hunter. I 1438 01:13:26,280 --> 01:13:28,840 Speaker 1: don't pattern there early season well, and hunt them on 1439 01:13:28,880 --> 01:13:31,240 Speaker 1: food sources and different things. I know there's guys that 1440 01:13:31,320 --> 01:13:34,360 Speaker 1: do that, but that's a different line. I'm not there. 1441 01:13:34,400 --> 01:13:37,840 Speaker 1: I'm a I killed ninety nine percent of my deer 1442 01:13:37,960 --> 01:13:40,639 Speaker 1: in the rut, and I may not never have even 1443 01:13:40,720 --> 01:13:43,280 Speaker 1: seen the deer even though it exists. I like to 1444 01:13:43,360 --> 01:13:46,640 Speaker 1: hunt what I call kind of rutting corridors where I 1445 01:13:46,680 --> 01:13:48,840 Speaker 1: feel the bucks are going to walk film at some 1446 01:13:48,920 --> 01:13:50,640 Speaker 1: point during the rut. There may not even be a 1447 01:13:50,640 --> 01:13:53,200 Speaker 1: lot of sign there. I just kind of have learned 1448 01:13:53,240 --> 01:13:56,880 Speaker 1: what these places are and how to you know, you know, 1449 01:13:56,920 --> 01:13:59,240 Speaker 1: through your digital and foot scouting, you can kind of 1450 01:13:59,320 --> 01:14:02,679 Speaker 1: narrow down you don't scientists if you break it down 1451 01:14:03,680 --> 01:14:06,200 Speaker 1: in every square a mile there, there's a lot of 1452 01:14:06,200 --> 01:14:10,479 Speaker 1: factors like access by the people, and if you if 1453 01:14:10,479 --> 01:14:13,040 Speaker 1: you start marking off the areas that are going to 1454 01:14:13,160 --> 01:14:15,640 Speaker 1: not be any good because they're way too easy to 1455 01:14:15,640 --> 01:14:17,360 Speaker 1: get to and way too many people be them, and 1456 01:14:17,360 --> 01:14:20,120 Speaker 1: then take what's left and just figure that the deer 1457 01:14:20,160 --> 01:14:22,479 Speaker 1: will be hiding pretty well in that amount of country, 1458 01:14:22,920 --> 01:14:25,840 Speaker 1: then it shouldn't be you know, rocket science to figure 1459 01:14:25,840 --> 01:14:28,200 Speaker 1: out how they're gonna walk around in that country during 1460 01:14:28,200 --> 01:14:30,120 Speaker 1: the rut and get from one area to the other, 1461 01:14:30,640 --> 01:14:33,000 Speaker 1: And what I try to do is pick some either 1462 01:14:33,080 --> 01:14:36,639 Speaker 1: pinch points or types of funnels that when they're moving 1463 01:14:36,680 --> 01:14:39,160 Speaker 1: from one area to the next, they're going to walk 1464 01:14:39,200 --> 01:14:42,920 Speaker 1: through it. And there isn't often a lot of sign 1465 01:14:42,960 --> 01:14:45,000 Speaker 1: in those spots, and there isn't often a lot of 1466 01:14:45,040 --> 01:14:47,280 Speaker 1: hunting in those spots. It may be a fence row 1467 01:14:47,360 --> 01:14:51,320 Speaker 1: across the pasture, you know, between two creep drainages or something. 1468 01:14:51,360 --> 01:14:54,439 Speaker 1: Everybody hunts to two creep drainages. I'm liable to be 1469 01:14:54,479 --> 01:14:56,320 Speaker 1: setting out there in a tree in the fence row, 1470 01:14:56,400 --> 01:14:58,880 Speaker 1: you know, in that pasture. But you until you get 1471 01:14:58,880 --> 01:15:00,920 Speaker 1: ready to go out on a lamp and kind of 1472 01:15:00,960 --> 01:15:03,920 Speaker 1: do some of that stuff, you really will not know 1473 01:15:03,960 --> 01:15:06,880 Speaker 1: what you're missing, you know, on big running white tails. 1474 01:15:07,720 --> 01:15:09,519 Speaker 1: So when you're actually out there doing that on the 1475 01:15:09,560 --> 01:15:12,559 Speaker 1: ground scouting, if you're not looking for some of the 1476 01:15:12,640 --> 01:15:15,439 Speaker 1: kind of stereotypical type of dear sign that lots of 1477 01:15:15,439 --> 01:15:18,280 Speaker 1: guys think about, what is it specifically that you're looking 1478 01:15:18,320 --> 01:15:22,559 Speaker 1: for when you are scouting for your style? You know, 1479 01:15:22,640 --> 01:15:25,439 Speaker 1: I've said this for years among my friends, and some 1480 01:15:25,479 --> 01:15:27,000 Speaker 1: of them have come to get a grip on it, 1481 01:15:27,040 --> 01:15:28,880 Speaker 1: and I don't even know what it means myself. But 1482 01:15:29,560 --> 01:15:31,639 Speaker 1: I just say that I hunt by what I call set. 1483 01:15:31,840 --> 01:15:34,719 Speaker 1: The bottom line is, it's not really like it's a secret. 1484 01:15:34,880 --> 01:15:37,040 Speaker 1: You know. What it is is the fact that you 1485 01:15:37,360 --> 01:15:40,160 Speaker 1: get a brain, you know, get a warm body out there, 1486 01:15:41,160 --> 01:15:44,000 Speaker 1: do what you do, learn what you learn, make mistakes, 1487 01:15:44,200 --> 01:15:48,280 Speaker 1: have successes, get confident in what you're doing, and and 1488 01:15:48,360 --> 01:15:51,040 Speaker 1: you'll you'll get good at it. Don't go around all 1489 01:15:51,080 --> 01:15:54,680 Speaker 1: your life searching for the hidden formula and you know, 1490 01:15:54,720 --> 01:15:57,080 Speaker 1: getting some expecting some guy like me to be able 1491 01:15:57,120 --> 01:16:00,360 Speaker 1: to tell you just exactly how to do it, because 1492 01:16:00,800 --> 01:16:03,599 Speaker 1: it's more it's a personal experience. Bow Hunting white tails 1493 01:16:04,280 --> 01:16:09,080 Speaker 1: is something that there is no magical potion for. Just 1494 01:16:09,560 --> 01:16:13,680 Speaker 1: do it, as Nike says, you know, uh, you know 1495 01:16:13,960 --> 01:16:17,320 Speaker 1: that's that brings back when you asked the different approaches 1496 01:16:17,400 --> 01:16:19,800 Speaker 1: like that. I just my mind is flashes to so 1497 01:16:19,880 --> 01:16:23,439 Speaker 1: many different episodes of my hunts over my life in 1498 01:16:23,520 --> 01:16:25,840 Speaker 1: different places. You know, I've I've had plenty of times 1499 01:16:25,920 --> 01:16:28,120 Speaker 1: where you know, I went to a place and I 1500 01:16:28,600 --> 01:16:30,800 Speaker 1: just beat it down during the offseason and felt like 1501 01:16:30,840 --> 01:16:32,800 Speaker 1: I had a really strong game plan when I first 1502 01:16:32,800 --> 01:16:35,960 Speaker 1: went into it the first time. And I've had instances 1503 01:16:35,960 --> 01:16:39,680 Speaker 1: where those game plans worked out great. I've had instances 1504 01:16:39,680 --> 01:16:42,960 Speaker 1: where I realized that I was backwards just this, you know, 1505 01:16:43,080 --> 01:16:46,120 Speaker 1: really felt stupid because by the end of the season, 1506 01:16:46,160 --> 01:16:49,880 Speaker 1: I've changed everything, was doing everything different. So once again, 1507 01:16:50,200 --> 01:16:52,920 Speaker 1: there is no perfect rule for it. And other times 1508 01:16:52,960 --> 01:16:55,320 Speaker 1: I've went in and not had a game plan and 1509 01:16:55,400 --> 01:16:58,400 Speaker 1: just you know, started maybe hunting and working my way 1510 01:16:58,400 --> 01:17:01,000 Speaker 1: in as you might say, observed, serving and things. I've 1511 01:17:01,080 --> 01:17:03,760 Speaker 1: killed some good bucks out west by doing that. It 1512 01:17:03,760 --> 01:17:06,599 Speaker 1: depends on the habitat. If you're in a habitat where 1513 01:17:06,640 --> 01:17:10,040 Speaker 1: you can do a lot of observation, uh, especially if 1514 01:17:10,040 --> 01:17:12,000 Speaker 1: I have a hunted the place. I like that approach. 1515 01:17:12,080 --> 01:17:15,479 Speaker 1: Start in the early early stages of the rut and 1516 01:17:15,520 --> 01:17:18,439 Speaker 1: get that observation done, and start working your way in 1517 01:17:18,640 --> 01:17:21,200 Speaker 1: so that by the you know, the really high movement 1518 01:17:21,280 --> 01:17:23,880 Speaker 1: time in November, you'll already be into the you know, 1519 01:17:23,920 --> 01:17:26,960 Speaker 1: the core spots. But you know, once again, there ain't 1520 01:17:26,960 --> 01:17:30,040 Speaker 1: no pad answer for it. It's a matter of everything 1521 01:17:30,080 --> 01:17:34,240 Speaker 1: as individual to its own spot. And uh uh, I 1522 01:17:34,439 --> 01:17:36,519 Speaker 1: like to have a game plan when I go somewhere 1523 01:17:36,640 --> 01:17:40,320 Speaker 1: from my digital and all my other scouting, but like 1524 01:17:40,400 --> 01:17:43,840 Speaker 1: this public that hunt up here in Kansas, um. I 1525 01:17:43,880 --> 01:17:47,759 Speaker 1: went into it the first year I lost a private place. 1526 01:17:47,800 --> 01:17:49,800 Speaker 1: That year, I had everything set up, and it comes 1527 01:17:49,840 --> 01:17:51,800 Speaker 1: November the tenth. I went up through the hunting. No 1528 01:17:51,920 --> 01:17:54,240 Speaker 1: landowner kicked me out. Some guys with money had come 1529 01:17:54,240 --> 01:17:57,040 Speaker 1: along and got it here. It was November the tenth. 1530 01:17:57,600 --> 01:17:59,680 Speaker 1: I had all my stuff set up to hunt, and 1531 01:17:59,720 --> 01:18:02,680 Speaker 1: I'm ground zero. I have to pull all that, you know, 1532 01:18:02,840 --> 01:18:05,840 Speaker 1: drive to a place, walk in their public and start 1533 01:18:05,920 --> 01:18:09,920 Speaker 1: over on November basically eleventh or twelve. Talk about feeling 1534 01:18:09,960 --> 01:18:12,760 Speaker 1: like a lost pup, you know, I mean I I 1535 01:18:12,840 --> 01:18:14,920 Speaker 1: was intimidated. I mean, here it is already time to 1536 01:18:14,960 --> 01:18:18,280 Speaker 1: get the good stuff done. And I'm back at ground zero. 1537 01:18:18,560 --> 01:18:20,360 Speaker 1: And I went in there, and you know, I had 1538 01:18:20,400 --> 01:18:22,000 Speaker 1: to make a decision. Am I going to go in 1539 01:18:22,040 --> 01:18:24,599 Speaker 1: here and really, you know, try to learn this place 1540 01:18:24,640 --> 01:18:27,479 Speaker 1: inside out and beat it down and then make plans, 1541 01:18:27,600 --> 01:18:30,559 Speaker 1: or am I just gonna hunt my way in? And 1542 01:18:31,960 --> 01:18:35,640 Speaker 1: it was about fifty fifty open thick habitat where I 1543 01:18:35,680 --> 01:18:37,800 Speaker 1: felt and I could observe a lot. So I just 1544 01:18:37,800 --> 01:18:40,519 Speaker 1: started going out into the to the most remote harder 1545 01:18:40,560 --> 01:18:42,960 Speaker 1: to get two spots and climbing some trees where I 1546 01:18:42,960 --> 01:18:46,200 Speaker 1: could see for good ways in any direction around and 1547 01:18:46,400 --> 01:18:48,880 Speaker 1: trying to observe you know, running bucks moving through the 1548 01:18:48,920 --> 01:18:53,960 Speaker 1: habitat and you know, dose or whatever, and I'll be doggone. 1549 01:18:54,120 --> 01:18:56,240 Speaker 1: I called a couple of deer in. You know, from 1550 01:18:56,240 --> 01:18:58,479 Speaker 1: a distance, they were not going to have come by 1551 01:18:58,520 --> 01:19:01,000 Speaker 1: where I was at, but I spawned them and called 1552 01:19:01,040 --> 01:19:04,120 Speaker 1: them in, and you know, got success. They were not 1553 01:19:04,400 --> 01:19:07,120 Speaker 1: huge deer, you know, they were just barely poping, young 1554 01:19:07,160 --> 01:19:10,920 Speaker 1: caliber deer. But for the first year, the first week 1555 01:19:11,200 --> 01:19:14,080 Speaker 1: on a place, you know, I mean, I felt good. 1556 01:19:14,080 --> 01:19:16,280 Speaker 1: They have just gotten in places to where you know, 1557 01:19:16,320 --> 01:19:18,439 Speaker 1: there would be ten cars parked in the parking lot 1558 01:19:18,479 --> 01:19:22,840 Speaker 1: at daylight and if you want in about of that 1559 01:19:23,080 --> 01:19:25,959 Speaker 1: available habitat from there, you weren't to have people problems, 1560 01:19:26,240 --> 01:19:28,479 Speaker 1: but there would be ten or twenty of it that 1561 01:19:28,640 --> 01:19:30,720 Speaker 1: if you really could ferret that out, you could get 1562 01:19:30,720 --> 01:19:33,240 Speaker 1: away from most all them. People will guess where most 1563 01:19:33,280 --> 01:19:36,439 Speaker 1: the deer we're gonna be, I mean, them deer are 1564 01:19:36,560 --> 01:19:38,800 Speaker 1: going to figure that out pretty quick. Wherever the people 1565 01:19:38,800 --> 01:19:43,160 Speaker 1: are coming going from that activity is gonna slowly, you know, 1566 01:19:43,280 --> 01:19:46,240 Speaker 1: migrate away from that. And you know that's just a 1567 01:19:46,320 --> 01:19:48,840 Speaker 1: public land key right there. Figure out where the people 1568 01:19:48,880 --> 01:19:51,559 Speaker 1: are going to be and spend your time where they're not. 1569 01:19:52,120 --> 01:19:55,519 Speaker 1: That sounds like overly simple, but public land deer are 1570 01:19:55,560 --> 01:20:00,640 Speaker 1: sharp and there's always nooks and crannies on public paces. 1571 01:20:00,800 --> 01:20:04,040 Speaker 1: For some reason, they're not getting hit as hard as 1572 01:20:04,040 --> 01:20:07,080 Speaker 1: the rest. Those deer figured that out way before you do, 1573 01:20:07,280 --> 01:20:09,080 Speaker 1: and those will be the places you want to be, 1574 01:20:09,240 --> 01:20:12,120 Speaker 1: So you know, get in there and and if you 1575 01:20:12,120 --> 01:20:14,439 Speaker 1: want to just go all out, go in there and 1576 01:20:14,520 --> 01:20:17,559 Speaker 1: set up and just sit there until you know, you 1577 01:20:17,600 --> 01:20:20,800 Speaker 1: know what freezes over fine, because you know, during the 1578 01:20:20,800 --> 01:20:22,639 Speaker 1: peak of the rut, you know, if you get throwed 1579 01:20:22,680 --> 01:20:24,400 Speaker 1: into something like I did in the peak of the rut, 1580 01:20:24,439 --> 01:20:26,000 Speaker 1: you ain't got time to make a big game plan 1581 01:20:26,080 --> 01:20:28,360 Speaker 1: and start trying to refine it down. If you're throw 1582 01:20:28,400 --> 01:20:30,280 Speaker 1: it into something like that, and you can't leave home 1583 01:20:30,360 --> 01:20:33,479 Speaker 1: until November the tenth, and you're gonna drive to north 1584 01:20:33,880 --> 01:20:36,840 Speaker 1: South Dakota or somewhere and and go into this place, 1585 01:20:37,000 --> 01:20:41,800 Speaker 1: then just you know, if you've done your preceding uh work, 1586 01:20:42,280 --> 01:20:44,040 Speaker 1: you don't know about where you're gonna get get in 1587 01:20:44,080 --> 01:20:47,639 Speaker 1: there and and and either go in and basically get 1588 01:20:47,640 --> 01:20:49,479 Speaker 1: it a bunch and stay all day in the tree. 1589 01:20:50,200 --> 01:20:51,960 Speaker 1: And you know, we don't none of us like to 1590 01:20:51,960 --> 01:20:54,160 Speaker 1: rely on luck. We like figure it out and kill 1591 01:20:54,240 --> 01:20:57,040 Speaker 1: him on our own. But hey, if you don't have 1592 01:20:57,080 --> 01:21:00,840 Speaker 1: any luck, uh, and won't rely on it, which I 1593 01:21:00,920 --> 01:21:02,519 Speaker 1: used to not. I used to say, if I kill 1594 01:21:02,560 --> 01:21:04,479 Speaker 1: one by luck, I'm not even gonna count. You know, 1595 01:21:06,080 --> 01:21:07,720 Speaker 1: I wanted to, you know, kind of know what I 1596 01:21:07,760 --> 01:21:09,960 Speaker 1: was doing and figure I had a good hand in it. 1597 01:21:10,479 --> 01:21:14,360 Speaker 1: But if I kill them by luck or by skill. 1598 01:21:14,479 --> 01:21:18,280 Speaker 1: Nowadays there's still bow hunted white tails and and and 1599 01:21:18,360 --> 01:21:21,320 Speaker 1: I'm still appreciative of them. So don't be bashful to 1600 01:21:21,400 --> 01:21:23,599 Speaker 1: get into an area and stay all day and call 1601 01:21:23,720 --> 01:21:26,360 Speaker 1: ever so often, And don't be bashful to set out 1602 01:21:26,400 --> 01:21:29,320 Speaker 1: on the edges and hunt your way in whatever makes 1603 01:21:29,320 --> 01:21:34,360 Speaker 1: you happy, um and the most Hey, there's certain formulas 1604 01:21:34,360 --> 01:21:37,360 Speaker 1: for it that can't be you know, overlooked. Once you 1605 01:21:37,439 --> 01:21:39,719 Speaker 1: do everything you can do, then nothing more than share 1606 01:21:39,800 --> 01:21:43,000 Speaker 1: time in the field is the greatest odds upper you 1607 01:21:43,040 --> 01:21:46,800 Speaker 1: know what I mean. And from about November the tenth on, 1608 01:21:47,920 --> 01:21:51,040 Speaker 1: I can't tell a person one thing better than more 1609 01:21:51,120 --> 01:21:53,680 Speaker 1: time in the field to have better success. That's the 1610 01:21:53,760 --> 01:21:58,400 Speaker 1: number one odds increasing factor. And very few people got 1611 01:21:58,400 --> 01:22:01,280 Speaker 1: to work with all of a sudd all day you know, uh, 1612 01:22:01,720 --> 01:22:04,160 Speaker 1: you're an all day hunter during the ruck. I try 1613 01:22:04,200 --> 01:22:07,960 Speaker 1: to be once again it's case specific, but I try 1614 01:22:07,960 --> 01:22:10,639 Speaker 1: to have places that I can go to and said 1615 01:22:10,640 --> 01:22:13,479 Speaker 1: all day. Uh, there's places it's not good for it. 1616 01:22:13,560 --> 01:22:16,920 Speaker 1: And if you're, you know, halfway an outdoorsman, you'll know 1617 01:22:16,960 --> 01:22:19,200 Speaker 1: when it's not really common sense. You're not gonna set 1618 01:22:19,600 --> 01:22:23,200 Speaker 1: you right out beside the edge of a fairly accessible 1619 01:22:23,240 --> 01:22:25,880 Speaker 1: farm field probably all day long. You're gonna go back 1620 01:22:25,880 --> 01:22:28,360 Speaker 1: in there, off down in the river bottom, in the 1621 01:22:28,439 --> 01:22:31,280 Speaker 1: briar thicket down there and set. But out west it's 1622 01:22:31,280 --> 01:22:33,840 Speaker 1: a different matter. You know, there's lots of places that 1623 01:22:33,880 --> 01:22:36,360 Speaker 1: are excellent for all day setting because those deer can 1624 01:22:36,520 --> 01:22:39,679 Speaker 1: move freely all day. But yeah, I said all day 1625 01:22:40,360 --> 01:22:44,040 Speaker 1: most of the time, and I've killed I'm gonna say 1626 01:22:44,080 --> 01:22:47,639 Speaker 1: one out of every three probably of my better bucks 1627 01:22:48,680 --> 01:22:50,760 Speaker 1: during a time between ten and the morning and two 1628 01:22:50,760 --> 01:22:54,439 Speaker 1: in the evening. All right, Now, So much of what 1629 01:22:54,479 --> 01:22:58,160 Speaker 1: we've heard today has been all about avoiding other hunters, 1630 01:22:58,800 --> 01:23:01,360 Speaker 1: finding those tough treats. It's finding the places that deer 1631 01:23:01,360 --> 01:23:04,080 Speaker 1: can avoid hunting pressure, looking for a sign of other people. 1632 01:23:04,520 --> 01:23:06,840 Speaker 1: But what if you did all that and still while 1633 01:23:06,840 --> 01:23:09,519 Speaker 1: you're out there hunting on public land, another guy or 1634 01:23:09,560 --> 01:23:12,320 Speaker 1: girl comes walking up on you or comes trump into 1635 01:23:12,400 --> 01:23:14,000 Speaker 1: the area you're hoping to hunt. You know, what do 1636 01:23:14,080 --> 01:23:16,760 Speaker 1: you do in that scenario. It's a tough one and 1637 01:23:16,760 --> 01:23:19,559 Speaker 1: it's something that likely will happen if you hunt public 1638 01:23:19,640 --> 01:23:22,679 Speaker 1: land long enough. So here's Tyler who's going to help 1639 01:23:22,760 --> 01:23:26,040 Speaker 1: us break down how at least he handles that situation. 1640 01:23:26,960 --> 01:23:28,720 Speaker 1: If it's later in the year, you know, if it's 1641 01:23:28,720 --> 01:23:31,240 Speaker 1: been a tough season. Sometimes I've got to remind myself to, 1642 01:23:31,479 --> 01:23:35,719 Speaker 1: you know, try to keep my cool. Um. But it's 1643 01:23:35,840 --> 01:23:40,120 Speaker 1: you know, just trying to just lay out where you 1644 01:23:40,160 --> 01:23:42,519 Speaker 1: know where you you know where he's hunting, or you 1645 01:23:42,560 --> 01:23:46,520 Speaker 1: know where they're looking to hunt, whatever it may be. Um, 1646 01:23:46,560 --> 01:23:49,960 Speaker 1: you know, I'm just trying to give each other some respect. Um. 1647 01:23:50,000 --> 01:23:56,000 Speaker 1: A lot of times I'll give it honestly. Um, I 1648 01:23:56,360 --> 01:23:58,400 Speaker 1: look for those spots where nobody else will go, and 1649 01:23:59,160 --> 01:24:02,120 Speaker 1: a lot of times it'body else shows up. If I 1650 01:24:02,120 --> 01:24:03,600 Speaker 1: have a stand up, I'll go pull it. You know, 1651 01:24:03,760 --> 01:24:05,720 Speaker 1: I just I get out of there and I'll go 1652 01:24:05,760 --> 01:24:09,240 Speaker 1: find another spot. Um. That's the beautiful thing about in publicly, 1653 01:24:09,280 --> 01:24:11,599 Speaker 1: and you've got a lot of options, So you can 1654 01:24:11,600 --> 01:24:14,400 Speaker 1: always drive to another place and you know, and start 1655 01:24:14,439 --> 01:24:18,400 Speaker 1: to start the whole game over again. Um. So it's 1656 01:24:19,400 --> 01:24:21,919 Speaker 1: you know, it's it's tough to deal with sometimes, especially 1657 01:24:21,960 --> 01:24:23,479 Speaker 1: you know, if you've got a spot that you know 1658 01:24:23,720 --> 01:24:26,639 Speaker 1: is you know, is really good and maybe some guy 1659 01:24:26,760 --> 01:24:30,519 Speaker 1: just you know, kind of wanders upon it and you know, 1660 01:24:30,680 --> 01:24:32,640 Speaker 1: I didn't do all the homework. He just happened to 1661 01:24:33,160 --> 01:24:36,040 Speaker 1: to wander that direction that morning with his climber or 1662 01:24:36,080 --> 01:24:39,680 Speaker 1: whatever it may be. Uh, it can be extremely frustrating, 1663 01:24:39,720 --> 01:24:42,040 Speaker 1: but you know, it's it's just part of the game 1664 01:24:42,120 --> 01:24:44,880 Speaker 1: and you learn to deal with it. And one of 1665 01:24:44,880 --> 01:24:46,479 Speaker 1: those things. If it does happen and you end up 1666 01:24:46,479 --> 01:24:48,559 Speaker 1: shooting a buck on that trip, it's it's that much 1667 01:24:48,560 --> 01:24:51,160 Speaker 1: more rewarding because it was another you know, you had 1668 01:24:51,160 --> 01:24:52,880 Speaker 1: another obstacle you had to you know, I had to 1669 01:24:52,880 --> 01:24:56,879 Speaker 1: deal with and overcome. So and finally here's Tony Peterson 1670 01:24:57,000 --> 01:25:02,040 Speaker 1: with his take on the same issue. H I, you know, restart, 1671 01:25:02,240 --> 01:25:06,040 Speaker 1: go somewhere else. It happens all the time. I mean, 1672 01:25:06,960 --> 01:25:10,400 Speaker 1: I don't ever go on a hunt like this without 1673 01:25:10,439 --> 01:25:12,559 Speaker 1: having somebody come in on me at some point. It 1674 01:25:12,640 --> 01:25:16,040 Speaker 1: seems like or you know, just stupid stuff like just 1675 01:25:16,080 --> 01:25:18,920 Speaker 1: as an example, last year in Oklahoma had a spot 1676 01:25:18,960 --> 01:25:22,000 Speaker 1: that was about as far away as you could go 1677 01:25:22,320 --> 01:25:24,280 Speaker 1: on any of these public land chunks, and there was 1678 01:25:24,320 --> 01:25:26,719 Speaker 1: a really cool pond with a kind of a wooded 1679 01:25:26,800 --> 01:25:29,519 Speaker 1: draw leading to it, and it was a good spot. 1680 01:25:29,880 --> 01:25:31,360 Speaker 1: And I went in there and hunger stand the first 1681 01:25:31,400 --> 01:25:33,920 Speaker 1: day I got there, and uh, I went to go 1682 01:25:34,000 --> 01:25:36,519 Speaker 1: back in there like three days later, and there was 1683 01:25:36,560 --> 01:25:39,519 Speaker 1: some idiot driving is cheep around on this closed road, 1684 01:25:39,640 --> 01:25:42,680 Speaker 1: just tearing it up, mudded it up, and you know, 1685 01:25:42,720 --> 01:25:45,080 Speaker 1: I knew it was over because you just what are 1686 01:25:45,080 --> 01:25:47,519 Speaker 1: you gonna do? And stuff like that happens. You know, 1687 01:25:47,560 --> 01:25:51,240 Speaker 1: people will move in on you. Um it just it 1688 01:25:51,400 --> 01:25:55,200 Speaker 1: just is what it is. And so that's another reason 1689 01:25:55,200 --> 01:25:57,479 Speaker 1: why you want to have your options. And I'm always 1690 01:25:57,520 --> 01:25:59,800 Speaker 1: thinking about that. So if I've got my heart set on, 1691 01:26:00,479 --> 01:26:03,320 Speaker 1: you know, this river crossing stand, I may go there 1692 01:26:03,400 --> 01:26:05,679 Speaker 1: and there might be two trucks parked there and fresh 1693 01:26:05,680 --> 01:26:09,360 Speaker 1: track leading right in there. And so then if you 1694 01:26:09,400 --> 01:26:11,760 Speaker 1: don't get too frustrated and you've got to back up, 1695 01:26:12,040 --> 01:26:15,160 Speaker 1: you can get there and and not lose your hunting time. 1696 01:26:15,760 --> 01:26:19,200 Speaker 1: But it's a constant struggle when you're on public land 1697 01:26:19,320 --> 01:26:21,960 Speaker 1: especially if you get around the rud or opening week 1698 01:26:22,240 --> 01:26:24,120 Speaker 1: where just more people are out, You're just going to 1699 01:26:24,240 --> 01:26:27,120 Speaker 1: run into that. Uh, And it's you know, it's it's 1700 01:26:27,160 --> 01:26:29,280 Speaker 1: part of the process. But like you said, I run 1701 01:26:29,320 --> 01:26:32,000 Speaker 1: into that on private land all the time on some 1702 01:26:32,040 --> 01:26:35,360 Speaker 1: of my farms. So it's just it's just hunting. It 1703 01:26:35,360 --> 01:26:38,520 Speaker 1: seems like there's a lot of bow hunters out there now. Yeah, 1704 01:26:38,800 --> 01:26:43,000 Speaker 1: So do you what happens in that case? I mean, 1705 01:26:43,040 --> 01:26:45,400 Speaker 1: do you if if a hunter comes in, let's say, 1706 01:26:45,439 --> 01:26:47,120 Speaker 1: like you said, and we've we've had it happened many 1707 01:26:47,160 --> 01:26:50,880 Speaker 1: times myself and Dan too. If if that happens, do 1708 01:26:50,920 --> 01:26:53,080 Speaker 1: you immediately say, okay, I need to I need to 1709 01:26:53,080 --> 01:26:55,800 Speaker 1: scrap this spot entirely, or are you willing to give 1710 01:26:55,800 --> 01:26:57,320 Speaker 1: it one more day and see, maybe this is a 1711 01:26:57,360 --> 01:26:59,120 Speaker 1: one time thing. They came through, they walked through the 1712 01:26:59,120 --> 01:27:01,360 Speaker 1: area once and maybe the next day though, you know, 1713 01:27:01,560 --> 01:27:03,240 Speaker 1: maybe they won't be there and a big buck comes through. 1714 01:27:03,280 --> 01:27:04,920 Speaker 1: Do you give it a little time or do you say, right, 1715 01:27:04,960 --> 01:27:07,880 Speaker 1: there's been one human invasion, I'm out, I'm moving on 1716 01:27:07,920 --> 01:27:12,519 Speaker 1: to the next place. It depends, It depends how it happens. Um. 1717 01:27:12,560 --> 01:27:15,160 Speaker 1: Just as an example, last year, when I went out 1718 01:27:15,200 --> 01:27:19,640 Speaker 1: to South Dakota. Um I found a spot that was 1719 01:27:19,800 --> 01:27:23,120 Speaker 1: this walk in area had a cutcorn field, it had 1720 01:27:23,120 --> 01:27:26,000 Speaker 1: it just a phenomenal cedar choked draw that looked like 1721 01:27:26,000 --> 01:27:29,080 Speaker 1: a great betting area. And so I went in there 1722 01:27:29,120 --> 01:27:31,240 Speaker 1: hoping for a gimming you know, the field edge buck. 1723 01:27:31,760 --> 01:27:34,760 Speaker 1: And I was sitting there and you know, hour and 1724 01:27:34,760 --> 01:27:36,960 Speaker 1: a half a four dark, two bowl hunters came walking 1725 01:27:36,960 --> 01:27:39,960 Speaker 1: through carrying a full body decoy, just banging it on everything. 1726 01:27:40,560 --> 01:27:43,680 Speaker 1: And I had backup spots that I couldn't get to 1727 01:27:43,800 --> 01:27:45,839 Speaker 1: in time, but I had one area that I didn't. 1728 01:27:46,240 --> 01:27:48,519 Speaker 1: I hung a stand, but I didn't convince myself to 1729 01:27:48,560 --> 01:27:51,800 Speaker 1: go sit yet. And when they came walking through, I said, okay, 1730 01:27:51,800 --> 01:27:53,600 Speaker 1: I got two days left. I'm gonna go sit that 1731 01:27:53,680 --> 01:27:56,559 Speaker 1: pond stand that I've been avoiding because I knew it 1732 01:27:56,640 --> 01:27:58,679 Speaker 1: was probably not gonna be I was probably not gonna 1733 01:27:58,680 --> 01:28:00,720 Speaker 1: see a lot of deer down there, but it was 1734 01:28:00,840 --> 01:28:03,160 Speaker 1: probably the right set up to just ride it out 1735 01:28:03,200 --> 01:28:05,320 Speaker 1: because I didn't think anybody would go in there. So 1736 01:28:05,560 --> 01:28:07,800 Speaker 1: when those guys came through and me, I said, okay, 1737 01:28:08,200 --> 01:28:11,040 Speaker 1: two days left, I'm going you know, sunrise the sunset 1738 01:28:11,080 --> 01:28:14,479 Speaker 1: on that pond stand just because I thought it's good 1739 01:28:14,560 --> 01:28:16,680 Speaker 1: enough and people won't be there, and I went in 1740 01:28:16,680 --> 01:28:20,800 Speaker 1: there and fat and killed the buck. So there you go. 1741 01:28:21,120 --> 01:28:23,960 Speaker 1: This has been my attempt to distill down from a 1742 01:28:24,000 --> 01:28:27,320 Speaker 1: whole bunch of episodes and many many hours of interviews 1743 01:28:27,439 --> 01:28:31,880 Speaker 1: the most important philosophies and strategies for hunting public land 1744 01:28:31,920 --> 01:28:34,559 Speaker 1: white Tales. But but obviously there's a lot more. And 1745 01:28:34,600 --> 01:28:37,200 Speaker 1: if any of this intrigued you, I would definitely encourage 1746 01:28:37,200 --> 01:28:39,160 Speaker 1: you to listen to the full episodes with each one 1747 01:28:39,160 --> 01:28:41,160 Speaker 1: of these guests if you haven't yet, because there is 1748 01:28:41,240 --> 01:28:43,360 Speaker 1: just a ton that I had to cut out, a 1749 01:28:43,439 --> 01:28:49,080 Speaker 1: lot of interesting additional ideas, stories, anecdotes, examples, lots of 1750 01:28:49,120 --> 01:28:51,280 Speaker 1: good stuff in those full episodes, so be sure to 1751 01:28:51,360 --> 01:28:53,840 Speaker 1: check those out, and I hope that some of you 1752 01:28:53,880 --> 01:28:56,479 Speaker 1: found this helpful. I don't know how often I will 1753 01:28:56,600 --> 01:29:00,080 Speaker 1: do these types of review episodes again in the future. Possible, 1754 01:29:00,200 --> 01:29:03,200 Speaker 1: never again, because it took just a crazy amount of 1755 01:29:03,200 --> 01:29:07,160 Speaker 1: time to put this thing together. I mean hours and 1756 01:29:07,320 --> 01:29:10,439 Speaker 1: hours and hours of listening back to all these old episodes, 1757 01:29:10,880 --> 01:29:13,200 Speaker 1: cutting out the little pieces and then try and put 1758 01:29:13,200 --> 01:29:15,400 Speaker 1: them back in an order that made sense altogether, and 1759 01:29:15,560 --> 01:29:18,240 Speaker 1: edit it all in the one piece in retrospect, it 1760 01:29:18,280 --> 01:29:21,360 Speaker 1: was not the most time friendly project, but hopefully it 1761 01:29:21,439 --> 01:29:24,000 Speaker 1: was available to some of you to have this all 1762 01:29:24,040 --> 01:29:28,000 Speaker 1: in one, cohesive program. So with all that said, enough 1763 01:29:28,040 --> 01:29:30,080 Speaker 1: of this, enough of me, I'm going to wrap this 1764 01:29:30,120 --> 01:29:32,320 Speaker 1: one up. I'm gonna thank you all for taking the 1765 01:29:32,320 --> 01:29:34,680 Speaker 1: time today to listen. I want to wish any of 1766 01:29:34,720 --> 01:29:36,800 Speaker 1: you who are going to be future public land owners, 1767 01:29:36,840 --> 01:29:38,599 Speaker 1: I want to wish you all the luck in the world, 1768 01:29:39,120 --> 01:29:41,880 Speaker 1: and for everybody else out there. Until next time, I 1769 01:29:41,920 --> 01:29:44,880 Speaker 1: hope you'll stay wired to hunt